The WAN Show - Nvidia Is Above The Law - WAN Show May 6, 2022

Episode Date: May 9, 2022

Save money on your phone plan today at https://www.mintmobile.com/wanshow Get a 60-day free trial of stress-free shipping by going to https://shipstation.com  Don't forget to click on the microphone at the top of the page and type in WAN Check out Ivan’s (Linus/Luke Signed) GPU collection, up for auction on Ebay at https://lmg.gg/sosukraine All proceeds go to SOS Children’s Villages, more information at https://lmg.gg/sosabout  Donate to SOS Children’s Villages today at https://lmg.gg/soscharity Timestamps: (Courtesy of NoKi1119 - Note: Timestamps may be off due to change in sponsors) 0:00 Chapters 1:21 Intro 1:54 Topic #1 - Linus's feud with Pokimane, apologizes 3:12 Linus's take on Twitter, thoughts on streamer's content 7:00 Linus removes original tweet, keeps take on WAN 8:30 Less time on Twitter, Linus apologizes 10:08 Topic #2 - NVIDIA fined over crypto disclosure 11:33 Summarizing revenue report & charged fees 12:13 Sales, crypto mining, Linus slaps Luke 14:53 Linus loves Chris Rock 16:10 LTTStore's promo ft. screenshare fight 17:58 Linus suggest cutting deskpads 19:20 Labs new positions, pop-up shop, reviews 26:40 LMG new positions 28:40 Topic #3 - LMG is expanding, Lab 2 30:32 Specs, lead by Gary 32:04 New hardware & testing rooms 34:24 Luke getting an office, other rooms 36:52 Lab footprint 37:08 Merch Messages #1 37:50 Luke's gift when quitting, Linus's ideas 40:31 Best UPS battery backup for a PC 46:38 LTX V.S. CES & COMPUTEX, Shank Mods on FP 49:33 Topic #4 - Ivan's collection for auction 51:13 Linus & Luke signing auctioned products 54:00 Topic #5 - Future Motion OneWheel controversy 56:14 Linus comparing FM to Artesian, stops Luke 59:16 "Copyrighted" battery & lockout lawsuit 1:01:05 Linus says not to buy OneWheel, iPhone icons sorting 1:05:22 Community posting issues 1:07:45 Topic #6 - India orders VPN information 1:09:45 Merch Messages #2 1:10:11 FP exclusive, Bell's trip, LMG day off 1:11:56 Plans to grow LMG & FP by year's end 1:17:11 Sponsors 1:21:00 Merch Messages #3 1:21:05 LMG & Creators Warehouse hiring, expected growth 1:23:00 Any other consoles Linus wants to mod 1:24:45 House painting update 1:25:10 What LMG looks for when hiring 1:27:30 House solar panel update 1:28:00 Project examples, Anthony walks in 1:31:05 Recommendations for anti-virus 1:33:36 Linus's & Luke's parents with games 1:35:46 FP merging or working with Nebula (real) 1:36:10 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm sorry? I think it would fit my arm. Yeah. Welcome to the WAN Show, ladies and gentlemen. We've got a fantastic show lined up for you today. That's right. I have managed to start drama with yet another online creator. Yep.

So we're going to go through that. Basically, I get to apologize again because I was wrong again. So that's cool. That's always a good start for the WAN Show. In other news, I wasn't the only one who was um a bit of a jerk nvidia failed to disclose their crypto earnings and ended up with a 5.5 million us dollar penalty we're going to be talking about that what else we got future motion pulls a john deere with one wheel repairs it's actually uh it's way spicier than he made it sound that was that was it

that's the title that i was given luke's all like yeah it's a boring thing but it's like it's brutal it's super bad it's actually and it's like kind of embarrassing also we have some stuff from ivan yeah which is actually like really cool kind of a big deal we we're gonna we're gonna announce what exactly Ivan has figured out to do with his what is it like 20 years of GPU history his GPU collection you guys don't remember Ivan he formerly worked here I used to work with him back at NCIX a longtime friend and we've got some really interesting news about all of that so let's roll that intro people are saying the small shirt looks good what they're saying the small shirt looks good they're objectively wrong.

There's also people telling me that I should do a pec flex. Like, that's what the small shirt makes people think about. Let's go ahead and jump into the first topic, which, no, is not going to be the NVIDIA thing. Instead, it is going to be me solemnly swearing, I cross my heart, hope to die, to never unnecessarily feud with another creator again.

Pokimane rightfully took issue with some of my comments on the previous WAN show. I do think that her initial take, at least in the limited context I had, because it was a tweet, which is why I just shouldn't have

addressed it in the first place tweet which is why I just shouldn't have just shouldn't have addressed it in the first place. This is why Twitter sucks. It's one of the reasons Twitter sucks. I do think that this was not an amazing take but I shouldn't have reacted to it the way that I did because it's clear that there were multiple additional layers

to her take which she actually very graciously spelled out for me in a way that even I can understand, which is great. I think her response was actually very good. Yep, she basically gave me a lesson on how to disagree with people on the internet, I got told.

Which you needed, I think. And look, the reality of it is, sometimes I need to go to school, but I like to think that I learn. I think the the part and i should have i honestly i should have stepped in uh but the the the voice look okay as i said as i already said to her and we've talked privately already cool outside of what i was hoping that would happen outside of what i said publicly the voice was actually just like that's just

it had nothing to do with her the reality of it is even though i've followed her career for a very long time because in my mind she's legendary and prolific well it's not even that because there's plenty of legendary and prolific online creators that i whose careers i do not follow okay because the reality of it is i don't have time to watch a ton of content, especially streamers. No offense, but I mean, really, to really follow someone who streams like three, four, five, six days a week for six, seven, 10 hours. I mean, I have stuff to do. I have a company to run and I have a family to pay attention to sometimes.

It's just not realistic, right? So I don't necessarily follow the content but i follow key careers so careers that i follow include people like phil defranco whose career i followed because it was one after which i very closely modeled my own okay so you start out as like a guy making videos and then you figure out okay we need to create new content formats and build teams and then hopefully man the day source fed imploded i was like hmm is that my destiny oh no because i was i was watching i was watching him seemingly build this empire and then and then i it kind of things went kind of muddy for a bit. And I was like, hmm, okay, nothing good ever stays.

Oh, no. Oh, no. Do you remember me freaking out about that at the time? Yeah, actually, yeah. Yeah, that was way back when we were in the Langley house. We weren't nearly as established as we are now. So the reason that I follow people like a Phil DeFranco or people like a Pokimane is that they tend to take... Do you still screenshot?

Oh, am I? Sorry. like a pokeman is that they tend to take oh am i sorry is that they they make they take a more in my um assessment business oriented approach to what they're doing versus just being a magnetic you know electric personality that people can't resist and just kind of letting everyone else do the work and that's not to say that those individuals don't have these magnetic personalities. Obviously, you cannot succeed in this space without having some degree of likability or being me. Just ending up annoying everybody with the hot takes. I'm just saying that it's been it. There's a reason that I that I followed her career.

And so the reality of it, I didn't, I didn't want to start beef with her. It had nothing to do with her style or anything like that. That's just like my, my go-to like Valley girl voice. And one of the reasons that I do the Valley girl voice is that I will often do it as sort of an exaggeration of the way that I already talk and when I'm scripted right I don't I don't like you know say like and stuff you know a lot like right um but I actually get a ton of feedback on the WAN show and I've tried to cut it back that I really do speak valley girl and that's a bit of a It's a bit of a north Pacific northwest thing I think It is yeah

So sorry but like What am I supposed to do about that That's how I speak And so I will tend to if I am And I already acknowledged it was very rude But if I'm mocking something that I consider To be a bad or dumb take Then I tend to lean into it a little heavier

It was nothing to do with her and yeah i should not have done that i think it just should have been isolated if you're going to go after a take the the voicing shouldn't have been and really the worst part is that if i was gonna say okay nameless creator i shouldn't have replied on twitter i kind of didn't think people would put two and two together and I figured there were probably other creators with the same take so I wasn't going to end up I wasn't going to end up becoming a personal thing I interpreted the

nameless creator thing which was worded a little oddly but I interpreted it as you trying to just yeah bring more light to it unfortunately because I had replied to her tweet which then it sounded like a slight it really it sounded it sounded like i was like oh yeah pokemon pokemon what is she like canadian or something gross right yeah it's funny because i'm canadian please just okay i don't know there might be people who don't know the point is um terrible tweet i've removed the tweet i'm not gonna remove the bit of the when show and i've

already i've already like i've already told her this and if she wants me to remove it i'll remove it but i believe in transparency i made a mistake it was stupid she explained in great detail um some of the more nuanced aspects of what she was complaining about and why it matters. And I don't disagree with that. I still think her initial tweet sucks. Um, and like, honestly,

you can see, and like, you know, uh, sorry, honestly, you can see that for her to explain it in a way that it took screenshots of a notes app because Twitter sucks because Twitter sucks.

And so I think ultimately what i need to do is significantly cut back my twitter consumption and use you know what i think if everyone did that that would be awesome world would probably be a better place and what i also need to do is say hey sorry um my bad that was my bad and i mean i already kind of covered this in my reply to her as well maybe the reason because I've never really like I said I've followed her that's the reason her tweets show up in my timeline and like I always get news about her and stuff

because I do pay attention even though I wasn't following her on Twitter because I just don't follow people on Twitter my follows are super random it's mostly just people I've had to DM at some point anyway like even though I don't follow her, I tend to just get those tweets promoted to me. And I think the reason that I just knee-jerk reacted to it

was because I was like, I thought she got it. And it seemed like she didn't get it. And then it turns out she super gets it. And it was just me who didn't get it. So, great. Sounds good. Can I be done with this? Can I move on?

Can I just not feud with any other creators ever again and yeah i i like that you guys kind of had a chat you know what that's actually something we both said in our dms is like it's unfortunate that it's because of this but i'm glad we finally connected yeah no but seriously though like that i think that's actually cool yeah we'll probably we'll probably find an excuse to work together at some point in the future and that's cool I like when things get properly resolved if like, you know, ideally they don't happen in the first place But it's cool that things were like I think her response is very level and then I think it's cool that yeah It was resolved from there. It's cool that I got a second try at this one. Yeah. Yeah, exactly

Why don't we talk about um nvidia maybe they want a second try disclosing their crypto earnings nice uh the original source here is uh sec.gov that's a nice source the sec charges nvidia corporation with inadequate disclosures about the impact of crypto mining see that's the thing when you're a public company is you actually do need to say what your revenues are and where they come from. You do need to provide accurate information about the trajectory that your business is on.

And I can see from a PR standpoint why it might not be in NVIDIA's interest to disclose just how many of their GPUs are being sold to crypto miners. Even though we all have Twitter, okay? We all know how to go to videocards.com and see that NVIDIA is selling a lot of GPUs to crypto miners, whatever they might say about, well, we created CMP so that GeForce cards won't go to miners. so that GeForce cards won't go to miners. Well, the Securities and Exchange Commission announced settled charges against NVIDIA

for inadequate disclosures during consecutive quarters in the 2018 fiscal year. NVIDIA, I'm just going to say allegedly, it doesn't seem to be allegedly because this is settled. I just don't want to get on... Throw her out there anyway. Yeah, I'm throwing them out there. I'm throwing it out there anyway.

Failed to disclose that mining was a significant element of its material revenue growth from the sale of its graphics processing units designed and marketed for gaming nvidia misled investors by reporting a huge boost in revenue related to gaming despite most of those cards going straight into the hands of miners absolutely so if you were wondering if what you suspected all along was true and like everyone told you was true this and like what everybody knew that nvidia never gave it two fly shits about gamers um then you and their investors are in the same boat. Yeah.

I don't know. The reason that this is an issue is because the boom and bust nature of crypto mining means that these sales numbers don't indicate any kind of reliable future growth. And analysts and investors routinely asked senior management about the extent to which increases in gaming revenue

during this time were driven by crypto mining. Like, they did mention crypto mining as an important factor in other markets, so they know that profits from sales for cryptocurrency mining is a thing, which would seem to suggest that, at least in the SEC's

eyes, that NVIDIA was being deliberately deceptive. I mean, I personally can't imagine NVIDIA being deliberately deceptive. I mean, I personally can't imagine NVIDIA being deliberately deceptive. They've never done that before. Or manipulating the flow of information. Nope, not at all. No. No, I don't think NVIDIA's ever done that, so we should probably... Luke?

No, I will not... You've personally been involved in it. You get NVIDIA's name out of your mouth. Did you... Okay, this is... I don't want to get into it but there was a tackle thing did you hear about that oh no what tackle thing okay yeah you're gonna want to look that up after the show but um it's it's it's pretty epic but yeah this is brutal um if you were really hoping like hey this is this annoys me for whatever reason i'm hoping they brought the hammer down. Not so much. If you know how much revenue NVIDIA deals in, 5.5 million USD is not really that big of a deal.

I mean, it sucks for NVIDIA. Yeah, I mean, a little. I don't think it would majorly change any strategies moving forward. Probably not. Also, NVIDIA is not admitting to any wrongdoing as part of this settlement. Nice. But agrees to stop any unlawful failures to disclose information.

Okay. I'm not... It's like your kid being like, I'm not admitting to taking the pies that were cooling on the window, but I will definitely stop doing that. And the pies that were cooling on the window. But I will definitely stop doing that. And the pies will stop disappearing.

Man, I love, I love just like legal crap, you know? Oh, man. Oh, wait, no. Is this the Dave Chappelle tackle? Yeah. Okay, I do know about that. Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah.

Do you know Chris Rock was there and jumped up on stage and grabbed the mic and was like was that will smith let's not everyone on the planet will have talked about this like a million times i don't think we need to oh man yeah no i just but i just find it very funny um and i mean he's a comedian and that was what he was trying to do so good job yeah um can i can i just say that i mean i i man i i hope this is not a hot take but like i have always loved chris rock yeah yeah like going the first i think the first bit i ever saw from him um was back i think this was uh back when we had satellite tv um nice so that we could have like hbo and stuff like back in the early 2000s.

It was amazing. Anyway, the point is the, the first bit I ever saw from him that just made me like, just completely lose. Was his bid on guns and bullets. Like how you don't need gun control. What you need is bullet control.

You need. And so it was like the, the basically the punchline is if every bullet costs $5,000, I mean, basically murder investigations are simple, right? I mean, he must have done something.

He's got $50,000 worth of bullets in him. That was very expensive. And like the whole bit is like, you have no more innocent bystanders if every bullet costs $5, anyway love chris rock um i hope that's not controversial i i suspect that's gonna be is he canceled i don't know i have no idea i don't know enough i'm sorry yeah oh man anyway just thought this thing was funny one time yeah Yeah, yeah. I just, ugh. Anyway. So, NVIDIA.

Gonna be business as usual, I guess. Bad. Yes. Stop it. Probably pretty bad. Oh, we should talk about probably pretty bad things going on with lttstore.com. We actually have some dead stock. So, for the first time in basically forever, we are going to run some promos. Hey, yeah, it's been a minute.

That's right, ladies and gentlemen. On LTTstore.com, we ordered like thousands too many of the 1200mm by 700mm desk pad. So I'm going to pull... Actually, Luke is going to pull that up so I can go ahead and share his screen. Oh, Luke can share his own screen now. I love that.

Amazing. No, I will take it back. We both have stream decks. Well, are you not going to, you're not going to fight me? Because I'll fight you. No, I'll fight you. I'll fight you. I can spam it.

You can. Okay, which one was it? 1200 by 700. Okay. Okay, which one was it? 1,200 by 300? By 700. By 700, okay. If you pick up a 1.2 meter by 70 centimeter desk pad. That's a big pad. You can get a free dad hat with discount code MAYTHEDESKPAD. Valid through Tuesday, 1159 Pacific Time. Also, Constellation shirts are still available through the weekend.

And we will be taking the listing down on Monday. If you don't have one already, either the short sleeve or the long sleeve, you are going to want to get on that. Actually, I've got that one up on my screen. Constellation shirt, this is our last printing of it. I really need to get a couple of these long sleeves, because I think they look amazing.

Actually, my old Constellation has held up really well, but I don't have a long sleeve. Speaking of Monday, keep an eye out. Hold on, hold on. We got one more thing. One more thing that Nick wants me to have in here. Right.

So key selling point for the 1200 by 700 desk pad is that it is so big that if you and your whole household need desk pads, I'm not encouraging you to cut it up into four desk pads oh i'm just telling you you probably could well think about it 35 mil okay by your edges what would that be well no you'll have to be careful yeah you could give it a little a little bit of fire but 35 mil by what Like 600 mil is a decent sized desk pad. And it costs exactly the same amount as the rest of them. That's why those ones,

I think that's my theory as to why those ones were moving really, really well at the beginning. But then I think it was like an early mention of that, that kind of drove a spike in it. So we reordered based on that spike. And then we never like reminded people you know hey if you don't care about the really nicely stitched edges and if the design really doesn't mean that much to you um this is essentially like four seven dollar fifty cent test pads go for it

so actually pretty amazing yeah we gotta move some let's do this the you would end up with a bad edge but you can absolutely fix it and you can do a better fix than just a flame, too. There's more you can do to it. That's true, but come on, most people won't. That's probably all you'll do. Oh, yeah, right. Nope, sorry, sorry. Nick is first. Creator Warehouse has a new job posting up over on LinusMediaGroup.com

Mine was going to be a job posting. No, they get their job posting first. We need a tool design engineer. We need a tool design engineer. We need someone who is a specialist in tools. Not because the screwdriver is having trouble. The screwdriver is absolutely on track for a summer release. But because we are so happy with the screwdriver that we want to pursue more tools.

Man, oh man, this is great. Okay, I'm about to go into story time. Sorry, we will hear about your job posting eventually. But this story time is really good. On every video talking about the screwdriver, whether it's a clip from WAN show, whether it's the unlisted video on YouTube that's on the product page,

anytime I go through it, in particular, there was this one seemingly extremely small tool review channel that literally posted dozens of comments comparing the build quality and features and fit and finish of our screwdriver to other screwdrivers that were definitely better and definitely cheaper.

I actually ended up, I very rarely block people, but I'm sitting here going at this point do that this is basically commercial spam like you actually may not you may not do that you can do it you can post one comment saying how you feel about it but it was dozens and dozens of comments literally every reply would have have this person talking about in particular this one uh vera vera one or where however you pronounce it it's german with a w so no i think um this one vera driver and then there was one other one that they were just pushing pushing pushing pushing pushing uh i'm not gonna i'm i am not going to take a position on the quality of the vera driver but what i will say is that we ordered one

to look at it and it inspired us to do a pop-up shop with the first thousand units of our screwdriver so we're working on that right now because this is my solution to how to not take pre-orders but be able to fix our cashflow problem. So I was already kind of thinking about it. And then seeing this competing product made me think, I know how to do this. The first thousand units are what's called a top of production, like a top of production run.

So you're using your full mass production tooling and machinery, but you don't actually mass produce. You don't build all 100,000 units. You do 1,000 units so that if something does go catastrophically wrong compared to the small test runs, you can fix it before you make 100,000 units. So we're doing 1,000 units,

and then we're going to airship them here so that we can hand inspect every single one of them. And what we were going to do is we were going to just sit on them, wait till we had 20 to 30,000 units completely built and boxed, and then open the floodgates. But I was inspired. I was inspired by not just the Vera driver, but some of the other ones that people have been posting are so much better

than our screwdriver in spite of the fact that no, for a fact they never touched ours. I was inspired to do a pop-up shop where we're going to have a thousand units available. are so much better than our screwdriver, in spite of the fact that, no, for a fact, they never touched ours. Yeah. I was inspired to do a pop-up shop where we're going to have 1,000 units available. It'll be here somewhere in the greater Vancouver area. And at that pop-up shop, we are going to have tables. I was going to say. Cheap, crappy folding tables

with pretty much every competing screwdriver. And I am very confident that people are going to walk into the pop-up shop and buy ours. Are you going to have some wood with screws in it? For sure. Or is that a little too scary? Absolutely. That's okay? Well, yeah, of course.

I just didn't know if there's like, I don't know if working with tools. Could be a lot. They're hand tools. I'm not worried about the liability. Yeah, it could be fine. If someone manages to like gouge their eye out with a screwdriver, like would you have to be a lot of their hand tools i'm not worried about the liability yeah it could be fine if someone manages to like gouge their eye out with a screwdriver like you know what i'll roll that die i don't think it's gonna happen yeah um so i and then what's great about that is that because we're air shipping those first thousand units and we weren't going to start the mass production of everything else until we've already

inspected them anyway if we run the pop-up shop right after we finish inspection and packaging then all of those people who buy it can leave a review in fact we will make it extremely convenient for them to leave a review with the full context of all the other products available in the market those reviews will go up on the site and at that point we open it up for back orders. Because now it's not a pre-order. It was a limited release

but it's enough that we can get enough units out there that real people, verified purchasers will be able to give their impressions as always we don't censor reviews on lttstore.com i always have to give this little caveat yes we do but the only things that we pull out are highly inappropriate content that does never include a negative review yeah it's

not if it's critical there there's been people that have posted like no don't give them yeah but we do remove stuff but not because it's critical of the product yeah or our customer service or anything like that we always leave that stuff up we do appreciate when people go back and edit their reviews if we do fix the problem after the fact um by the way you're just throwing that out there uh but we won't take them down and we won't edit them ourselves actually that might be a better way to proactively address that instead of replying to people and saying hey if you feel this issue is resolved uh please go back and change your review we could say hey here we feel we've resolved this if you're happy with this edit we could do it for

you because it just would reduce friction yeah but then you're getting into editing other people's stuff only if they say okay actively yeah but doing it at getting into editing other people's stuff. Only if they say okay. Actively. Yeah. But doing it at all gets questionable. Yeah. It's just that if it's something like, it never arrived, and then we send them another one, and it arrives. Can we just say, hey, can we add this to your thing? Edit.

It has arrived now. I'm not not even 100 sure we can edit them oh really okay well i i don't i like we might be able to i just i have no idea but yeah um knock uh 1119 says what if the verified purchasers noticed a common issue with the screwdrivers that was not caught during testing and manufacturing uh i i i really doubt it if it happens that's right then i really doubt it um yeah if happens, man, I really doubt it. Yeah, if it happens, like obviously we're not going to release this thing until we're happy with it.

It's that simple. DK Strider asks, why not send one to Gamers Nexus to review? You say that as though we don't obviously have an influencer driver in Gamers Nexus' colorway already sitting waiting to go once we can put a finished Ratchet in it.

Come on! Come on, guys! Are you kidding me? Dude, one step ahead. Are you kidding me? Can I do my announcement now? One step ahead? Do you know how many influencer drivers we have ready?

We've got a pink one for iJustine. You know, someone in the chat mentioned that I can't actually just bleep you now. that is true all right fine okay do your thing okay we're firing not firing we're hiring five people um the postings are going to go up on linusmediagroup.com jobs on monday three of them are positions that have already been announced on WAN show. I am looking for more applicants. If you have already applied to the backend in front of positions, you have probably received an email asking for your resume and stuff at that at this point, you do not need to reapply, please do not reapply. But yeah, there's those postings are

gonna be going up on linusmediagroup.com slash jobs. I'm going to be hiring two JavaScript-based backend developers and one JavaScript-based frontend developer. I am also looking for just a very generalist junior dev. That position is going to have to be real generalist because I'm genuinely looking for someone who is going to be able to work in, I don't expect a vast amount of experience, I am saying a junior dev, but has at least played with a little bit JavaScript and PHP. Usually I'm looking for one or the other. But this time, it's both. That role is going to be working on a pretty wide range of things, including the inventory system that Linus Media Group uses, some stuff for Creator Warehouse, the forum.

It's going to be very wide-ranging. And the other positions are a machine vision slash machine learning position, one spot. And, man, I'm forgetting one off the top of my head is that it? 1, 2, 3, 4 I thought there was a 5th yeah I don't need to spend all the money anyways yeah

why even worry about it just spend I mean we got a building to fill actually that's probably worth talking about no that's it actually yeah two backends one frontend, machine learning, junior dev. Five positions. If you're interested, please check it out.

So, we're expanding. Yeah. Do you guys want to talk about Lab 2? Yeah. Let's talk about Lab 2. I thought you were supposed to talk internally about this. I did. Oh, okay.

I posted it in the internal chat. Okay, cool. And we tweeted about it this morning. Okay, sweet. This, ladies and gentlemen... Woo! Woo! Dang!

Dang! That's a real building. It's lab two. It looks... Lab one is officially deprecated. It looks very grown up. Yeah. We literally never moved into it.

We've got some other ideas for things that we might do with Lab 1. Oh, sorry. To be very clear, just in case I didn't say it, those postings for jobs are going up on Monday. Not now. Yeah, Monday. So go look on Monday. Lab 1, yeah, we've got some other ideas for what we might do with it.

It's possible that it could end up being a space for lab equipment still that needs to be sound isolated from everything else. It's possible it could end up being a space for lab equipment still that needs to be sound isolated from everything else. It's possible it could end up being more studio space. It's possible that we could move the business team over there. Got them. Let's go. I actually don't think the plan is to put the business team there. It's not actually that stupid now that I think about it,

because they kind of need to work with everybody. Honestly, we've sort of thought of like almost every team going over there. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. We had an executive power lunch today, sort of discussing what some of the different options are. So Lab 1, we will likely still find a use for. It's also just possible that we will sell it,

depending on how things go with Screwdriver and anywho we uh we one quick aside because i've had a bunch of questions about it the machine learning slash vision position is local all the rest of those positions can potentially be remote but it would be preferred if they're local and it is highly preferred if regardless if you're remote or not you are canadian okay do you want to talk specs of the lab two yeah sure lab two is just shy of 20 000 square feet so it will just about double our overall footprint like as an entire organization. Yeah. Nearly double it. It will right now, the only thing that is guaranteed to be there is the lab team.

So if you missed last week's WAN show, it's going to be headed by Gary Key, formerly of Anantech. And more recently, formerly the director of marketing for Asus North America. The guy's super technical, super driven,

really excited to get back into media. You can't tell because he sounds like this, but he is. He does seem pretty amped. Yeah, he's like actually amped. I've known him for a long time. I've followed him for a long time. I have a ton of respect for Gary.

He's going to be heading up the team there. We've actually got three of Gary's underlings already started. We've got additional bodies coming in i'm like rocking already too oh yeah you're gonna see more job postings coming up over the next little bit um we're gonna see how much of this ends up filling up with lab but i suspect it'll be a fair bit of it and we're gonna have to figure out how to play shuffle the other people in the existing spaces because man i got some i got some wacky ideas like we had a meeting with the labs guys earlier this week and they're sitting

there telling me i mean look linus the way thermal chambers work is you've got to have this extremely broad range of temperatures typically from negative 55 to whatever. I don't care. It doesn't matter to me. The point is, you typically want this range, and they need to be small, so you can quickly turn them up and down to whatever you want. And I'm sitting here going, details, details, details.

Okay, so they did their whole spiel, and I'm like, right, that's nice, but I want one that I can walk in so that I can shoot in it. And they're like linus you don't need one of those because everything that happens inside the thermal chamber can be translated into a graph and i'm like no i wish to walk inside a freaking walk in deep freeze and talk about you know show the people the battery drain of this phone sucking way more interesting and so we compromised we're building both yeah we're

gonna do small ones with like oh man our mobile testing guy i'll tell you all about him once he's off probation he like just started on tuesday But our mobile testing guy is talking about a conveyor belt that freaking moves the devices between different chambers and crap so it can automate the testing. Hell yeah. This is going to be really expensive. Yeah.

Our power supply tester, I guess I can start to talk about that now. Our power supply tester was like $120,000 US dollars. But it is literally, apparently better than the one c sonic has well just newer okay because it's the it's the latest that makes sense it's the latest model uh man i'm i'm jacked uh we have so this building right it's i think 23 it's 22 or 23 foot ceilings so any you know inventory we needed to carry like we need you know a bunch of motherboards from different generations or whatever we can palletize

that throw it up into the rafters it's got 600 volts or 600 amps of 600 volt power so we can run basically whatever we want over there and put some, you know, crypto miners in the ceiling with some fans for heating in the winter. I mean, probably, probably that, that is not a very good way to heat the building in the winter. I'm just, relax people.

Relax. Just relax. The point is there's lots of power. There's about 4,500 square feet of office space. And that will either, that could end up being office space. Luke wants an office. Luke, do you want an office

I can just permanently be remote or I can have an office would you like an office sort of yeah do you want an office okay okay we're gonna give Luke an office there that'd be cool the rest of it's up for grabs so it'll either be additional lab stuff I could see say for example the soundbar speaker testing

room being inside the office area because there's parking limitations and zoning limitations we can't build we can't build out more rooms actually i think if they're like production rooms or like testing rooms testing enclosures because you can build a paint booth so if we so if we build like uh as long as it's it's on office space it's like because it's not well it isn't office space. Yeah, exactly. So we just have to make sure we apply for it with the right coding. So it's possible that we could do a speaker or like a soundbar testing room out in the

warehouse area. But if we can't, then that might end up being in the office area just so that they can actually test stuff all day and not disturb anyone else. Yeah. So there's a lot of stuff for us to figure out, but there's tons of power, tons of space. Hires are coming in. If it's not clear to you guys already, we are going through a period

of just ridiculous growth right now. Hopefully you guys are all cool with that. And man, I gotta tell you, I'm excited. I'm excited. This is gonna be absolutely wild over the next six months to three years because there is so much work to do. Labs needs its own website.

There's going to be, there's going to have to be multiple channels around the work that they're doing. You got to do behind the scenes, you know, showing how we, how we develop our testing procedures. I think the filming in the lab, like I know the original like way back plan

didn't even include filming in the lab. No, no. And now- But there wasn't space. Yeah. But now like all the testing stuff is being thought out with this additional space for filming and all that kind of stuff.

Like the second you were talking about a thermal chamber that you can sit in, like needing to go through the entire process of one of those tests would actually just be like hilariously interesting to watch yeah like that'd be really cool it'd be very engaging content 100 so yeah i think that's great i am jacked yeah i'm really excited um man is there anything else that I can really say about it? I guess not really. Like I've got the,

the hires that are in here already are sort of sending me their proposals for what their footprints are going to look like in the lab. I mean, I guess, I guess it kind of depends on what you guys have for questions. Just a reminder, guys, we do not monitor.

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you can put them there. You might get a reply from our producer, Bell, or you might see us discuss it, or you might just see your message pop up down here, like Christian down there, Christian M. Yeah. What's our next topic for today? Oh, wait, should we do a couple merch messages?

We should probably do a couple merch messages we should probably do a couple merch messages Tommy W asks so Taryn left oh wait that's okay I guess we're doing a different one yes go ahead and with that Tommy asks Luke if you were to quit what gift would you give Linus

because Taryn gave Linus a gift when he had quit oh man we have had an extremely long friendship at this point we have never been gift giving people give Linus because Karen gave Linus a gift when he had quit. Oh man. We have had an extremely long friendship at this point and we have never been gift giving people. Yeah. Luke and I both give each other the gift of no obligation to give gifts. Which is a fantastic gift. It's actually a great

gift. I'm super down. I think I might have some gift ideas for you in that dock of mine. I'm going to go look so I'm going to put pressure on you for you in that dock of mine. I'm going to go look. So I'm going to put pressure on you while you try to think of something. Wow. I'm awful, aren't I? I don't know.

You could just cheese it and watch chat because they're probably going to give you good ideas. I don't think they would. Because like... You're not a very materialistic person and if you really wanted something you would just get it so there's nothing there's no like i can't give you something like a value you know what i mean right so it would have to be something of sentiment there's probably stuff that i just like have around that would be meaningful if I passed off um but I do have a really cool gift idea in here for you dang it my one for Brandon is better

I don't think I have anything I don't think I have anything on the spot I am certain I would be able to think of something um but i mean it hasn't exactly crossed my mind so should i just tell you or should i just like finally do this and give it to you i guess i could just tell you because then there's no obligation to to uh i so i came up with the idea of surprising you at some point with a youngest geek squad member in history plaque or trophy because i know that's one of your proudest achievements. It's pretty cool, dude. Yeah. Yeah.

Uh, my, I'm not going to say the one that I have for Brandon, but I'll show it to you because I think it's actually the funniest thing ever. Oh man. Okay. That's actually fantastic. We actually do need to get that for him. Just cause it's constant. It's constant.

Maybe we should just do it Okay tell you what We're gonna do it We're gonna get our gift for Brandon Is it PC? I would just You may never see it acknowledged publicly It's not the most PC thing ever

It's good though it's funny It's very Brandon Alright let's do a couple more shall we uh yeah so from dominic i built my first pc about a week ago do you have any tips on the correct or best ups for your pc or any recommendations wow i mean okay step number one is making sure that you buy something with an adequate power delivery capacity and i gotta say i maybe this is just me being a non-electrical you know engineering nerd but i actually hate that ups's are rated in anything other than watts yeah it drives me just crazy because at the end of the day, that's the only thing that I care about.

As a fellow pleb, it's pretty annoying. Yeah. It's like, why? Every time I tell someone they should get a UPS, they're always like, what is this? Why is it measured that way? And I'm just like, oh, man. Yeah.

For whatever reason, they feel the need to provide the capacity in volt amps. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, yeah technically it's not incorrect but it's just it's frustrating and it's confusing so you've got a 600 volt amp apc backup back ups back ups back ups oh my goodness anyway the point is, okay, 330 watt. That's what I want to know because that's what everything that I'm going to connect to it is going to tell me it's power consumption in. Now, it does, there is a reason they do it this way because it can help inform how long it might last on battery, I guess. Does it even? I can't remember.

Every once in a while, I will go through and I will just like relearn these conversions and why it's like this. Is that the battery capacity? Someone in chat said it might be an insurance thing. I personally did the research on this a really long time ago.

I'm talking a very long time ago like many years uh and i bought it on a hefty sale so i'm putting both of those caveats in front of it but i personally have an apc 1500 volt amp which i just looked it up on amazon the model literally hasn't changed at all in like the like six or seven years since i bought it um i've swapped the battery on it uh and it's gone through a lot of different like brownouts and power outages and stuff and it's been great the whole time so people are saying uh yes the correct conversion is power factor times volt amps equals watts so like there's a reason that they do it, but it would be a lot easier for plebs like me to understand which UPS if we can just kind of know what it is in watts, especially because power factor correction is so often like 99% anyway. edge case. You're not going to need it rated this way. But anyway, basically, what you need to know is two things, how much power the connected equipment that you want it to back up draws,

and then how long you want that equipment to run. So that'll affect how beefy of a UPS you need, like how much how much power it can actually deliver off of its DC, because batteries are DC, off of its DC to AC, that would be an inverter then, off of its inverter or inverters. I don't know much about the architecture of UPSs. Maybe they have more than one. Sorry.

So you need to know that. And then you also need to know how big the batteries need to be. So that'll affect how long it will deliver that power when the ac power coming into it is cut i would say as long as you go with a reputable brand like apc or do the um does eaton do consumer ups's uh i don't think they did when I did my research like forever ago, but good company. Eaton does. Yeah. So as long as you go with an APC or an Eaton or something reputable, then it's pretty hard

to go wrong. When you're buying a device like this, I would actually highly recommend making sure that you get one that's reputable. That's sort of the whole point. So, yeah. But yeah, I would highly recommend it i i've i've honestly had a lot of people um i've had some other creators that have reached out to me having problems with their computers and some other friends that have reached out to me having

problems with computers and just trying to work through things on the phone which is often annoying and difficult but a lot of the times i end up just getting them like like one in particular i was like i feel like this is literally just i end up just getting them like like one in particular i was like i feel like this is literally just your outlet and i had them like move it somewhere else in their house and plug it in and it was suddenly stable remember when we did the collab with austin where we tried to overclock his super jank computer and it was as simple as plugging it into ups and all of a sudden it worked yep Yep. There used to be dirty power in the bench tent. I've been told so many times by people far more knowledgeable than me that it shouldn't matter.

But it just absolutely does. And yet I cannot shake my lived experiences. Many of them. That this computer was unstable and then I plugged it into a UPS and it was stable. And then I put it back directly into the wall, and then it was unstable. Yeah. And you can try it a bunch of times not on the UPS,

and then try it a bunch of times on the UPS, and it will never work not on the UPS, and it will work every time on the UPS, and it's like, eh. So I just don't know what to tell you. I'm sorry. And they're really nice to have because of power outages and power outs and all that other type of stuff. So I think they're know what to tell you. I'm sorry. And they're really nice to have because of power outages and brownouts

and all that other type of stuff. So I think they're a very good idea as an investment. Strongly recommended. Bell is going through a whack of incoming merch messages. So I'm just going to go ahead and read the next one. Is that a cool bell? Yeah, go ahead. Wade asks,

Hey boys, what is the dream size and scope of LTX? Do you have plans for it to become as big as something like CES or Computex? We are not competing with CES and Computex. Our intention is not to become like an electronics show. I think that really it's more about community. LTX is, you know, first and foremost, like we absolutely wanted to have manufacturers there showing off the coolest wares.

But really, the booths that we worked on were more about experiencing really cool projects that we've worked on, learning to solder, learning to build a computer, getting a chance to come and connect with other technology enthusiasts. And most importantly, bringing in as many of your favorite technology influencers as we could possibly afford so that they can all be in one place to do collabs to do you know photo shoots and meet and greets with folks like you that's the identity that we want for ltx the lan is going to be by the time we finally get to do another one the lan will be bigger and better so we want it to be, by the time we finally get to do another one, the LAN will be bigger and better. So we want it to be just like gaming and

technology enthusiasm concentrated. Just like squeezed. Yeah, there's something that I thought was really cool, and I know there's some really positive sentiment around, was there were some things that you could do there that for a lot of people wasn't going to be feasible. Yeah, just

even experiencing VR. The delidding of cpu there was some like really cool stuff that like yeah this this might be for that individual the only real opportunity they have to actually do this without seriously risking like their entire investment in their computer or whatever else um also you're talking about seriously awesome creators that we brought out we brought out a lot of float plane people that time as well. And Shank Mods has joined float plane. Yep. So check it out.

His page is up. Uh, if you're, if you're left, uh, wanting by his extremely long gaps between YouTube uploads, um, there's, there's more stuff on float plane. He has unique content on float plane. Uh, we talked for a little while about like content style on flow plane he's planning on doing a lot of uh more easy to get out there content that might not hey there we go um that might not necessarily match the content that goes on his youtube channel like he was recently at a show and he just filmed some stuff at the show and now it's on flow plane he also did a over an hour long director's commentary of his GameCube Joy-Con video going over a lot of like behind the scenes things and stuff that he wasn't able to necessarily include in the video.

I mean, he works on these things for like six months. He works on them for a really long time. So there's a lot of cool stuff that doesn't necessarily make it in the video. He also bakes a lot of like easter eggs and stuff in so I don't know it's very cool I would check it out definitely worth it yeah alright what's our next topic Luke

hit me we've got some juicy ones let's talk about this one wheel thing I think no this yeah I think it's time let's do it yeah why don't you mind grabbing it while I walk through this? So our old friend Ivan who worked

here from 2017 to 2019 and who I actually worked with back in my NCIX days has offered up his complete GPU collection for auction with proceeds going to help civilians in the humanitarian crisis in Ukraine.

The Radeon 9700 Pro in here. Can you find it? That looks like it could be. Nope, that's too thick and heavy. Okay, Luke's gonna find it. The Radeon 9700 Pro in here was the first GPU he ever purchased with his own money, and Ivan's collection originally encompassed

every single flagship GPU ever made by both ATI slash AMD and NVIDIA, starting from the Rage series in 1996 on the red side and the Riva 128 from the green side. There's also the 3DFX Voodoo 5500, the last card released by that company. And this is the same collection that we actually showcased at LTX 2018. A few specimens were lost to time and attrition, but the rest were kept boxed up or on the display shelf.

Special care was taken to ensure that the cards are reference design cards and it should be noted that while all the cards were tested and were originally functional, we can't guarantee that they all work now. However, we can add... add oh here it is thank you this collection by the way is just like legitimately legendary i've known about this since

the first time i've ever met him yep this this is like this is absolutely a thing there it is ladies and gentlemen love that love that heat spreader on the back of course it has the sticker of course it does it's just a very very Ivan thing for it to still have. The centerpiece of the collection is the fully functional period-correct rebuild of the very first gaming system to have two graphics cards with a pair of then-flagship Voodoo 2 12MB cards in SLI.

It is actually the same one seen in... Oh my god. Wait, what is this? Oh no, never mind. I thought this was an ad. It is the same one seen in this video. Here we go. Skipping ahead.

Come on, can we show... There it is. Oh, okay. Hold on. There's game footage. Hold on. Okay, SLI. Okay, come on. There it is. This system... Luke Hold on. There's game footage. Hold on. Okay, SLI. Okay, come on.

There it is. This system. Luke, do you want to lift it up? I would, but it's too heavy for me. Yeah, there's a tower there. So if you were wanting to play very old games the way they were meant to be played, JK, that tagline didn't come along until after 3DFX got acquired by Nvidia

if you want to play old games the way they were played back in the day this is one of the last of its kind on the planet and it's so legit even its copy of Windows 98 is also legit oh dang I was going to open it up but I'm going to leave it

fully intact right now. Luke and I are going to go through and sign every one of these GPUs so that you guys will know this is the authentic original Ivan collection, and we are donating all of the proceeds to SOS Children's Villages Ukraine. SOS is an NGO that is

dedicated to helping war orphans and vulnerable children in general. The organization operates in 136 countries and territories around the planet, doing what they can to help kids and their families. As of this writing, SOS has helped over 5,000 people evacuate, relocate, receive psychosocial support, and survive. We appreciate any support that you can provide, even if you don't want the cards,

and you can donate to SOS through the link in our video description. Luke, you and i have some graphics cards to sign i get the feeling we're not going to get through all of these um on stream i feel like maybe i didn't actually realize i should have this is quite the task maybe we should try to sign these during the merch messages section at the end sure okay yeah that sounds good to me yeah why don't we do that i'm happy we announced it now though. Yes. Cause it's sweet. Let's go ahead and jump into our next topic. Okay.

Um, and before we do that massive shout out, Ivan. Yeah. Super cool. This is just extremely generous and, uh, we're,

we're so excited to, to help you out with it and hopefully, uh, just raise, you know what, let's just, let's just say whatever whatever the whatever the winning bid is once everything's confirmed and everything's paid

we're gonna go ahead and match it so consider your bid a doubled up bid awesome uh i think we should jump into the one wheel topic it's very long we'll try to make it digestible though one long wheel future motion or the company behind future motion of the company behind one wheel uh has been getting a lot of negative press for a couple months now uh primarily primarily over their one wheel electric skateboard and they deserve it sorry go ahead i think is their main product and i and i do agree um there there's been a few things going on the high energy battery uses a very small connector that is prone to heating up there's a large metal nut that is mounted on a plastic post that snaps very easily this nut the i knew something was coming after i said large metal nut the the charging cable has a tendency to shear off at strain relief hold on oh i'm gonna i'm gonna i gotta show oh i gotta show these i gotta show these on screen while you're talking oh that's a video hold on hold on large

large nudge nudge is also a video oh good gravy okay well these are all video time stamps yeah this topic's really long i don't think we're gonna be able to bring them all up oh good it's rossman okay it's a friendly channel okay so this thing shears off oh that's that's brilliant all right thanks thanks rossman um better to seek permission forgiveness than permission thank you for letting us use your footage um the newer gt model has some problems with the early units being doa and this is by far my favorite one this is actually amazing it has a problem that they call ghosting which is very different than keyboard ghosting. This ghosting is where apparently it'll just take off on its own after you get off of it.

And it can go like 20 miles an hour and it weighs 35 pounds. So you're sending this like... You're potentially turning someone into a ghost. Yeah. Like it's actually potentially very rough. Future Motion has only one single service center in California, and they have one of the most fantastic claims from a clearly extremely profit-focused company that I've ever seen, which Future Motion's CEO claims that repairs are not a profit center for them

and are quite expensive. What? Still, they're looking to expand their regional repair options. Wait, hold on a second. This is like, this is an actual, this is one of those things like. It's another YouTube video, so I'm like. This is like artesian builds getting on camera and making the problem worse, you know? Yeah. Repair, really, really., you know? Yeah. Repair.

Really? Really? Unless you're a company. Stop. No, you need to stop. For the second time this show, you just need to stop, Luke. Because I think this is a fair criticism, okay, of the repairing your stuff that was broken industry yeah okay it is not profitable to sell something that breaks and to have to fix it what's the what's the best buy

service plan called i don't remember if you don't buy that then you gotta pay up yeah you should just be screwed yeah yeah consumers should just know that our stuff is just gonna break it's gotta be that's not profitable for us to fix yeah can't you please think of the billionaire business owners yeah won't someone please think of the shareholders sorry go on go um it's it's a problem right now because Future Motion's FedEx account was embargoed due to not declaring hazardous materials on shipping labels. They allegedly told customers to black out the dangerous goods markings on return boxes because they didn't declare them. Many owners would probably prefer to service it to service it themselves some of these actually sound very uh self-fixable um and you'd think that future motion would be down for this considering you know repairs aren't profitable and they might have to build another repair center

um but uh that's a that's a no i believe i. I lost my spot. Dang it. But yeah, but you'd think they would be down for this considering the cost, like I just kind of mentioned, except unplugging the battery just, you know, bricks the board. Very cool. Because, f*** you. And it just tells you to contact support. Future Motion says modifying the battery circuit in any way

is a risk for damage or injury because it's calibrated at the factory for each one wheel. Apparently with high power Lyons, mistakes can get very bad very quickly. Fair enough. Future Motion has seen a lot of, in quotes, seen a lot of incidents of battery fires that have been caused by third party mods um honestly listening to the issues that your first party creations have maybe that's not actually that big of a deal is there is there an actual increase in fires or is it just you just seen a couple videos um all of this would be bad enough but future motion also uh future motion also sued jw batteries a company that makes replacement batteries on copyright grounds they say that the uh battery

lock copyright grounds sorry we copyrighted our battery no i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm gonna let you finish they said the battery lockout is drm uh which is notionally protected by the DMCA. Oh, this is cool. Leonard French goes into why it probably isn't in a video that he has. That's another Floatplane creator. If you're interested, maybe check him out on Floatplane. Leonard French is fantastic. Actually, really cool content.

Yeah, really really really rough apparently today the suit was dismissed but not on the merits rather on jurisdiction which is that's just typical legal things yeah sure i don't know about that kind of stuff but that's kind of funny to me so we don't know whether future motion will continue to pursue the case but it it's like, but don't buy a one wheel. Yeah, basically. Cause if you're, if your whole thing is going to be safety,

well, fine. Then create documentation, work with third parties, or at the very least, uh, you know, have as part of your EULA that you're not responsible for any,

you know, changes made by a third party. Fine. Cover, cover your butt. The battery sounds like it could be potentially spooky but you can always work with like um like verifying certain repair centers or well you know what's a lot more dangerous right you know what's a lot you know

it's a lot more dangerous than someone than an end user unplugging the battery to make a change to the board an end user being afraid to unplug their battery. Cause it's going to brick their one wheel and trying to make some kind of change while the battery is fricking plugged in. Yeah. Like, are you really creating a more safe situation or, or shipping hazardous materials with the logos blacked out or,

uh, having a, uh, 30, 35 pound board traveling 20 miles per hour with no one controlling it. Shippers need to know when there are lithium batteries in a, in a container. Yeah.

Like that matters a lot. Yep. This is brutal. Really not cool. Don't buy a one wheel. Yeah. I think it's that simple. And honestly,

I'll say right now, like we don't hate brands. No, we don't hate companies. I'm just certain there's another one of these types of vehicular devices the second that'd be great the second that one wheel reverses their course and embraces right to repair and makes it simpler for users to get the product they freaking paid for in this case we will happily issue a retraction of our do not buy a one wheel state.

Happily. We're ready. Is one wheel ready? Hopefully. I hope so. I doubt it. Man, it's so funny. People give us such a hard time about like, oh, you guys hate Apple. It's like, no. I use their products. I acknowledge when they do something good. It just happens to be that Apple is a

spectacularly anti-consumer company. I have suggested their products to people before whatever reason people don't people won't see it they can't see it i mean it's it's just it's just baffling to me some like and it's it feels like such a stupid thing to complain about especially after so long but why do we get over these things why would we get over it that you can't reposition home screen icons wherever you wish why should i get over it? That you can't reposition home screen icons wherever you wish. Why should I get over that? That's honestly one of my

biggest friction points and it sounds silly, but that's one of my biggest friction points with using an iPhone is I really like a very clean home screen and then I hide my stuff elsewhere.

I don't necessarily know why, I've just always done it. And just all your stuff getting dumped there feels so cluttered and claustrophobic to me and you can make they they got folders now and stuff like that i still doesn't fix it for me but the fact that you cannot they must populate each screen left to right top to bottom

hate it hate it hate it so much and it's just, just stop. You clearly can do it. You just won't. And it's just one of those things where it's just the only possible reason that I can imagine is it's some like, like cappuccino sipping executive being like, well, see the difference between iOS and Mac OS is that this is mobile first. And this is this. And then mobile, we something like,

it's gotta be some, because there's no objective proper reason that you shouldn't be able to put an icon wherever the hell you want to. So whatever it is has to be astonishingly stupid yeah probably um or they just hate their users those are the only two possible outcomes either they're evil or they're stupid because it's so simple to fix yeah like do i even have it on me as your sky says i have small hands so i keep icons on the bottom apple says no and it's funny that is exactly my sitch here i do not like having apps in the top

i have my widgets there i have my search bar and everything i need to access is populated so my gmail is my primary everything i need to access starts on the bottom left and goes out toward the top right and even someone with larger hands apparently feels the exact same way about it it's just easier it's just why would you make it more objectively better yeah and these are like this is play store which i actually check a lot uh maps and float plane and then like my my you know five at the bottom which i think is pretty standard and the most baffling part of it to me is that i even need to say anything that nobody they have literally tens of thousands of employees nobody at apple was like this is

annoying they or and fixed it or they haven't been loud enough or listened to enough for it to actually happen. I've been using my iPhone more lately because YouTube still doesn't support stories on the fold. It's amazing. Also, this is hilarious. This is hilarious. This is a really good one.

Okay. The communities posts feature. Oh my God. It is so tedious to create content. The communities feature. Okay. So if I i click this i can create a community post i can add media and a poll and blah blah blah i can't see it wait is it fixed holy crap it's fixed literally days ago it was like this feature is not supported on this device nice there you go you know what i think it i think it actually i rebooted recently i think it matters which mode i first opened the app in since i restarted yeah here we go so if i unfold oh my goodness community posts aren't currently available on this device

and then if i go back to the front screen so it's going to get tricked and thinks it's a hold on let me oh let me nuke the youtube app. It's just shockingly stupid. To be clear, I hate stupidity in all of its forms, okay? It's not specific to Apple. It's the unnecessariness of how dumb it is. No, it does seem to be working in front screen mode. I'm getting a little bit worried about your hard out, but I do have a question about this. Do you think development for those types of devices

is going to get better due to increased adoption, or do you think it's going to get worse? Because as far as I can tell, interest in folding devices is not going up. I think it's going to languish. I think it's going to stay kind of where it is. So anyway, I've been using my iPhone more lately. And you can drag down the control center,

command center, whatever it's called. And then you can, at least you can finally long press on the Bluetooth icon. Well, sort of. If you long press on the Bluetooth icon, it still opens it up and then you have to do it again. So you can long press it. It actually cycles through the multiple

menus that you would have to navigate to to get to the Bluetooth menu. It'll be like settings. And it'll take you to the thing. I'm like, why? Why would you ever want to add additional delay

to opening a freaking menu? Yeah. XMath says, you can remove apps from the home screen on iOS now. It goes to the Apple library. That's fine, but that's not what Luke and I are talking about. I know that.

It's just really stupid that I can't put the icons for them wherever I want to. All right. Is there anything else that we promised we were going to talk about at the beginning? Or should we just go into some merch messages here? I think we mentioned the India VPN thing. I don't think we did. No? Well, we can do it really quickly.

The Indian government has directed VPN and cloud service providers to collect and hold user data for five years or more including validated customer names physical addresses email addresses and phone numbers basically they're saying this is intended to close certain gaps that hinder its response to cyber incidents and interactions with the constituency basically um goodbye individual privacy as far as i can tell they're at the very least yeah um yeah man that is it's it's like chilling to be clear looking to i mean you guys have a video two years ago do it yourself vpns yeah yes yes diy vpn should still be workable and to be clear a vpn is not some kind of magic silver bullet to to ensure your online privacy but it is a tool in the toolkit it can be useful for certain things and not being able to are not it's not that you won't be able to access them you may stay still be still be able to access VPNs outside of India. Um, depends on who does or doesn't comply. It's

going to be real interesting. Um, not being able to access them at all is definitely has the potential to be very bad for personal privacy. And it's not just VPNs. It's also the cloud service providers are required to hold all of this. So let's say I was Google, for example, operating in India. If I were to put anything in a Google Doc, I know that by law, I mean, Google probably is keeping it anyway,

but I know that by law they are definitely keeping and will definitely be required to provide to the government anything that I entered in that Doc. That is chilling. Epic. Very cool. Yeah. government anything that i entered in that dock that is chilling epic very cool yeah anyways um i think i think that's honestly all the topics should we do some merch messages i think we should slam merch messages okay start signing some yeah sign some gpus boys do you want to uh you know what okay don't we feed the gpus yeah uh bell questions

feed me questions luke sign gpuss and then pass them to me. Do we have multiple Sharpies? I think there was another one in there, and I think it fell in. I got it. They are brown, not gold. This is really not the same thing as a gold Sharpie. There is a gold or silver one in my office. Is there anyone still here to go obtain it for us?

Bill, do you mind grabbing it, and then I'll read them of course i'm so sorry okay he likes to read the curated messages but i guess he does a good job yeah he does a great job of it by the way are we about to shout out the same video yeah yeah okay you go for it uh so i've done a lot of flow plane shout outs this show but ltd's been kind of killing it with exclusive lately. And recently there was one of Bell driving really far to get a beautiful CRT monitor. And it's actually fantastic. I actually watched the entire thing, which I like rarely do. The audience has spoken.

They love these exclusives. Dude, it's so good. It's a really cool video. I don't know. I actually enjoyed it a lot. I like this type of of stuff there's been a lot more of this lately uh in terms of full-blown exclusives for for ltd which is very like engaging with the team that's behind the scenes a little bit more um and yeah it's just really cool stuff oh where was that uh there was another recent excellent behind the scenes. Where is it?

I thought it was like six days ago. I mean, time. That's a lot of content. Time keeps on slipping. Yeah, Artie is absolutely crushing it. He's our social media coordinator. Yeah, this was cool too. I wasn't intending to make a video.

In fact, I specifically told him not to work, but he did make a video of us just like doing a work fun day. Isn't that amazing? This shot in the parking lot of like how many freaking people work here? It's a video of us just like doing a work fun day. Isn't that amazing? This shot in the parking lot of like how many freaking people work here? It's a lot of people. We got a school bus. The fact that we filled that bus. Oh, we filled it.

I was like, whoa. We filled up that bus. We did. We filled it from the front. Then we filled it from the back. Kind of a beautiful place and Bell provided. Man, the fact that he inserted these random little facts about every single place he stopped. I don't know. Kind of a beautiful place and Bell provided. Man, the fact that he like he inserted these random little facts

about like every single place he stopped. I don't know. It's fantastic. There he is. Very funny. So yeah, that's that's pretty cool.

Those are those are exclusives over there. Am I supposed to be doing merch messages? Yeah, I can pick him up if you want. No, no, I got this. I got this.

Thomas says prepayment for backpack and screwdriver complete. Oh, OK. Two hundred and fifty dollars worth of gifts. Oh, a bunch more gift cards. Love LMG and everything no no i got this i got this thomas says prepayment for backpack and screwdriver complete oh okay 250 worth of gift oh a bunch more gift cards love lmg and everything you guys are trying to do question for linus and luke how much do you plan to grow your companies by year's end float plane man you guys are gonna double easy uh so yeah it depends on kind of how you crumble that cookie but yeah the the people that I have oversight on,

that number is literally just doubling. Right. And they don't necessarily work for Floatplane because Luke is the only person on staff who's really qualified to supervise developers. I just wouldn't know. It is amazing, as far as I can tell, how many companies just luke sent me this hilarious

uh discord message uh from should i just read it there's been a bunch of these essentially the idea behind it is there's some people that are doing work from home situations uh where they're applying for like a bunch of jobs at like fang level companies getting hundreds of thousands of dollars of salaries based on their various really high-end credentials and then working multiple of those jobs at the same time and just raking in like insane year-end compensation yeah luke sends me this post that's like working at two tech jobs dot dot any problem question mark i took on two full-time jobs and both are work from home 100%. I use two different laptops and I don't use one for the other work. Is there any problem? My roles are Facebook at E5 position and Microsoft at principal SDE position, L65.

TC, total compensation, at Facebook, $410,000. TC at Microsoft, $320,000. I reckon this is the fastest way I can hit financial independence, retire early, fire, with $700,000 plus of annual income. And also, I don't need to work extra hard. At Microsoft, I work no more than 10 hours a week. At Meta, I need to put 40 to 45 hours a week. So total is 50 to 55 hours a week. I've been doing it for four months now and it no problems so far. Any problem? Okay.

Well, let's see. Other than breach of contract and fraud, at least one of which is definitely a crime. No, no problems. Seems like you got this totally under control. Oh, actually, I found another problem. Posting about it online, you f***ing idiot. Well, I think it was pretty obfuscated, but... Sort of.

The positions are there. People did point out that the positions are there. And if Meta and Microsoft decide to compare... It's not like when you apply for a job, you don't provide your freaking social security number. Like, this is actually... This is actually something that they can probably figure out if it comes to it.

I don't think they'd be able to share that legally no uh yeah fair enough stuff happens yeah yeah um anyway so luke is the only person on staff that actually has any experience managing a development team and knowing like i could check in and say oh you know hey what's your progress and they'd be like well yeah a little made lots of progress. And for all I know, they spent like three hours on it. So Luke is going to end up overseeing pretty much all actual developers for the lab. And we're going to need multiple developers. We're going to have front end and back end for the web.

We're going to have, as you heard, machine learning and machine vision developers for some of the tools that we're going to be building. Like there's going to be a full fledged development team at the lab and people working on automation as far as i can tell luke's not working that hard as it is anyway yeah i don't know how to evaluate how hard you know developer people so i just assume it's not that hard and throw more at them apparently we've been getting more efficient and better at how we've managed the people at flowplane currently so and it's been kind of getting to the point where i've i've wanted a team expansion yeah because i've wanted more i don't remember how i described it to linus but essentially i've wanted to be able to like throw more weight at problems and like have have more people on the staff to tackle more things and tackle more things more better for example the

inventory system that we built that was really cool i want to do more stuff like that but we're we're already fairly short staffstaffed at flowplane as is so expanding that is difficult so bringing more people on the team is allowing us to expand that which is really z biggie and twitch this is typical twitch not really fraud if the company is happy with their work for the compensation no it's definitely still fraud you're welcome. That is, I'm not a lawyer, but this is legal advice. Oh, man. Still not technically legal advice. Thank you.

No problem. He's not wrong. As for LMG, man, that is... Oh, right. Yes. Oh, right. Okay, so you want to sign them and then hand them to me? Yeah. Is there like a...

Is there a... Is there another bucket? Could we have a second bucket? Sure can. You're amazing. Isn't he amazing? Is there a consistent place we want to kind of sign? I think we're going ham, dog.

Okay. All right. Yeah. So you're brown, I'm gold? Sounds good. Okay, he's our brown baby boy. It's a poo joke That's from like South Park season 1

I'm not gonna cover that Luke, you're gonna have to You're gonna have to be a little You're gonna have to be a little more aggro here Alright You're gonna take all the best spots So I can see how this is gonna go down Oh, we're probably gonna wanna Like Like you're going to take all the best spots so I can see how this is going to go down. Oh, we're probably going to want to, like...

Like, you're going to want to take this. I'm going to have to beg them. Boy, this is going to get real interesting. We also need to do sponsors. Holy crap, we need to do sponsors. Thank you, Floatpoint Cat. And this is why the show keeps ending up three hours long. Man, you guys are just too much fun to hang out with.

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Creative Labs CT6970. There was a 6970 before the Radeon 6970. How do you like them apples? This next one is very legendary Oh what's the next one? Rage 128 Rage 128 bro

Absolutely love it Let's do a few more merch messages while we continue to sign some stuff Oh right How much do we plan to grow LMG before year's end? Well it depends who you ask A lot Well it depends who you ask. A lot. Well, it depends who you ask. Some senior

managers want to kind of take it a little bit more chillax. Oh, but it's just happening. The ones who are in charge of hiring don't seem to be on the same page. I think right now LMG has a total of

eight job postings and that's just the ones that are up right now. What is it? minusmediagroup.com slash jobs? Yeah, there's four

more being added on Monday. On Monday? All developer positions. All right, so we are hiring a full-time writer.

Full-time writer for Mac address. Full-time social media coordinator. I think we have a really good candidate for this one already. Full-time writer for MacAddress. Full-time social media coordinator. I think we have a really good candidate for this one already. Full-time executive assistant, if that first one works out. I think we're taking two. Full-time marketing coordinator.

Full-time account lead for the business team. And that's just LMG. Creator Warehouse is hiring a full-time tool designer, manufacturing engineer, full-time CSR, full-time fit technician. I think we might need more than one of those. We are hiring um we just we got a lot of stuff to do you know we got stuff to build um we got like you know

we got mountains to climb we got armies to conquer I have no idea if these golden pen marks are going to affect the functionality of these GPUs. Hey, Bell, do you want to do a quick search for me? Does gold pen conduct electricity? In which case, maybe I'll start signing the tops of chips and stuff. Yeah, I just kind of YOLO'd on that one. Yeah. Good luck, everybody.

I mean, they might have worked at some point. It should not. They should not, apparently. How wonderful. All right. Hit me with some more curated merch messages here. From George, loved the Game Gear video. Are there any other consoles that you would love to mod

or plan to mod in the future? Oh, man. I mean, I would absolutely love to have a better snes those were my only childhood consoles i had a snes and then a game gear before i moved from my dad's house to my mom's house where console gaming was not a thing so you know having like a super cool snes with like you know a vga output or something like that like an ultimate tier snes i think would be super cool SNES with like you know a VGA output or something like that like an ultimate tier SNES I think would be super cool but you know really for me I just think these kinds of seeing the before and after these mods like even if there's no nostalgia factor for me I just

I love technology I love I love things getting better I love how affordable the whole thing is. Like, yeah, $60, $80, that's a lot of money. But please, when you compare that to what it might cost to engineer yourself a solution to these problems and implement it, it is downright a bargain, okay? And I think that's super cool. I love that the cost is coming down. I love that there's these amazing communities that are being built up around retro console modding and just,

just modding. I love improving things, you know? So you'll see, you'll see more of that from us at some point, but I don't know exactly what. The reception to that video was very good, but the views were not super strong. So it's something that we're going to continue to explore because we're passionate about it, but not something that we're going to quadruple down on because it's performing really well from a business standpoint, if that makes sense.

Yeah. From Saxon, any updates with the new house and the painting? They're doing a great job. I mean, they're putting what I asked for to be on the wall now, so that's good. What the heck is a Viper V770? I wasn't sure on that one either. From Diamond.

Okay. Yeah, remember Diamond being a board partner? That's crazy. All right. From Charles, other than just straight experience and resume, what do you look for in people that you're interviewing? One of the big things for us, and I know this is like a stereotypical evil capitalist thing,

but we hire people based on how much they want to be here. It's one of the reasons that we do not list compensation in our job postings typically, because the first thing we want is people who want to build something amazing, who want to create amazing content. And after that, well, we can, we'll figure out the credentials, right? We'll figure out the training. We'll figure out, we'll figure out the compensation.

The first thing we need is people who really want to be here. Great, good attitude, you you know caring about the community people who are already actively engaged in the community i won't say you have an advantage but it sure ain't a disadvantage i i really like portfolios i agree with everything that linus just said and i really like portfolios um i know it's not applicable for every position there's a lot of people that, especially like backend developers and stuff, they're like, yeah, I can't exactly show you. I've been working at a company

that doesn't have like public code repositories for a long time. It's like, okay, yeah, that's fine. But if you're like, if you don't have work experience and you can show me a really cool portfolio, it's very likely you'll get an interview because I'm very into that. Yeah, for writers. One of the things we love to ask them during the interview process is,

okay, application aside, tell me something. Tell me a crazy cool side project you're working on right now. And if they don't have one, I can tell you right now, it's a big strike. Because if you're not actually passionate enough to do it on your own time then how do we know you're going to bring that energy to work i mean do you care about this or not and to be clear it's not because we expect you to do unpaid work on your own time we just expect you to love it enough that you would do it for fun then we'll pay you to do it if that makes sense the devil is this this is a Turtle Beach sound card. Yeah, that got in there.

Well, whatever. Now it's signed. I left you the white sticker on this one because this one's genuinely tough. Oh, wow. No, that's okay. I can sign chips. White sticker.

No, no, it's fine. It's fine. I got this. All right. From Josiah. How's solar working out for you so far? With just the construction crew, I think we're at about 50% independence. So once we actually move in, yeah, it's going to be a lot lower,

but still, it's pretty cool. We knew going into it that we're not in a super solar-friendly region. We don't get a ton of sun compared to say california or something like that but i'm happy like we got a good price on the panel so yeah it's great there's some people asking what kind of side projects you think people should be doing or like what the scale of that looks like i mean oh man it's like we're getting a little fishing here it depends on the it depends on the position that you're applying for i mean i know when um man okay there anthony just walked up so one of the ways that anthony really impressed me when when he applied was he told me about his retro console collection and how he repairs consoles as like a side gig is it

do i have that right? It was a side hustle or was it your full-time thing? Yeah, he was trying to make it into a full-time thing, but it was a side thing at the time. Okay, side hustle at the time. And I was like, well, that's the cool... So... Still has mine.

Okay. You still have yours. Yeah. You said a thing to me. Okay. It's like, do I own these now? Okay, there's been some Okay there's some There's some client

Dispute going on for Anthony's I mean I didn't exactly Compensate him Console repair business Anyway the point is that impressed the heck out of me Sorry Anthony are you here for a reason Do you need a mic Oh you want to see the video card Oh, okay, all the signed ones

are in here. We're just about done. We got like three or four more. I'm trying to think. Yeah, when Kyle applied, he's our, I guess, head of engineering at Creator Warehouse. I don't know what his formal title is, but he's definitely the most

senior in the engineering department there. Man, was he working on like a watering system, like an automated watering system for his plants or something? I forget what it was. But we want to see that you like to learn. That's the big one. We don't want, it doesn't matter what you're learning. It matters that you

are learning on your own time. We work in a very agile environment. We work in an environment where we have to translate passion to the screen. So if you're not passionate about things, you'll never make it. You're not going to make it. You're going to have to care a lot. And the thing is, you don't

have to be, I'm going to pick on Anthony again, you don't have to be someone for whom this on-screen persona or presentation style comes naturally to. I mean, Anthony was hired as a writer. He was never supposed to be a host. But if you have that passion, it doesn't matter

because people connect with that. Whereas if you are like a professional, amazing host, but you don't really care, the audience's BS detector is going to go off like that. They'll know. They'll know. They'll know. You can't fake it. Nice.

GTX 680. I think I know where this one came from. Yes. I was going to say, I know that card. I am 100% certain I know that exact card. Me too. There were not a lot of Galaxy cards in North America around the time of the 680 launch. No, there wasn't.

I'm pretty sure I've used that exact card before. I have no further comments on this card. I'm just going to go for a bit. It's by Luke Lafreniere. That was, yeah, that was probably one of the earliest cards I've been. We should probably sign the system. Oh my. From Robert.

Where do you want to sign it? I'll hold it for you. In the butt. In the butt. Thanks. Do you have any recommendations for basic and reliable antivirus, or is it even still necessary? We use Sentinel-1 here because Jake picked it.

I think there's still other decent AV. Hold on here. You can take the gold one since we're not working in parallel anymore. Yes, okay, sure. Oh, crap. Hey, Anthony, are you still here? Yeah. Hey, AV recommendations?

AV? Are you just out of the game at this point too? What do you mean? Antivirus. Antivirus, oh. Oh, yeah, AV has a lot of... Okay, yeah, there's adult video, there's audiovisual, there's... Yeah, I was thinking audiovisual, but now I'm thinking adult video.

Well, gee, what are you into? Okay, let's not... No, no, no, no, no. This is a Christian Minecraft stream, okay? I don't know. It kind of changes all the time It's kind of an arms race between malware vendors And the antivirus vendors So like sometimes one vendor will be better than the other

I know Well which one's the one that's Kaspersky is that the one that's like Very much on the poo list right now Kaspersky is basically I think they banned it for use in government yeah like get rid of that yeah so we could say not that one yeah

Bitdefender I think we've done some work with them before but we used to I think they're like generally rated pretty high AVcomparatives is a good website to take a look at if they're still running I don't know cool I haven't looked at a while but I haven't looked in a while. I haven't cared in a really long time,

to be completely honest, but back in my heyday, Malwarebytes was sick. Malwarebytes is manual scan. Malwarebytes is still around. Yeah. Another manual scan used to be like really awesome. Yeah.

Zbiggy is back in Twitch chat asking, where is the fraud? I got hired to do job X at MS and job Y at Meta. Both got complete. No, no, like your hours were part of the job. So the hours were not complete. It depends on how they're hired, I guess, technically. Technically, I guess it does,

but I suspect that they thought of that. Yeah. All right. This is our last message. Ooh. Linus and Luke. Better be a good one. From Dingboy.

Did your parents play games? Oh, dude. Are you kidding me? Okay, you go first. Mine's probably more interesting. Okay, I'll go first. No. Okay, and here's mine.

And we're super not into me playing games. Man, you know, I feel like the time that my parents tried to be most supportive of me being into computers and gaming was the time that I asked for some game for Christmas and I got a desk. So that I could put my computer on it and play games. I didn't want a desk so that I could put my computer on it and play games. I didn't want a desk. I would have been happy with a piece of plywood on a couple of sawhorses and the game I wanted to play. But that was the closest. But that was the closest we got.

And bless their heart, my parents, I guess, tried in that case. But no, no, gaming was not a priority in our house. It was a waste of time and definitely was never going to lead to a huge, hugely successful, not to mention lucrative career. I have much lucrative. Hey, I used that word on purpose.

Yeah, I thought so. I got the vibe. I, I still game with my dad, like actively all the time when i'm we played games this week i'm pretty sure if not it was last week um yeah and it's great it's fantastic i love it it's a really cool way that my my dad has um been able to keep like hanging out with

my brother and i because we'll all play games together um my mom uh has is not you know nearly as into it but has has tried has given some effort tried skyrim tried wow um has tried some other stuff kind of dabbled a little bit isn't isn't like super into uh any of it too much but has tried if i remember correctly i think she got to like level 40 in wow or something that's not bad that's higher than i made it yeah like it was it was pretty legit she was a mage it's cool yeah yeah definitely they definitely do i curated one more merch message you're looking at me what is it question for luke okay as flow plane is competing in a market similar to nebula's market,

I believe founded by Wendover Productions, have you ever considered working or merging with Nebula to create an even larger creator focus? Yes? Sure. Bye! Sure Bye It's not happening to be clear we're not throwing shade it's just we're two separate companies yeah and we have nothing to do with them um also i don't think Wendover is involved anymore yeah or is Wendover involved? I have no idea

yeah I'm not certain you can ask them