The WAN Show - NVIDIA is Worth More Than Canada - WAN Show February 23, 2024

Episode Date: February 24, 2024

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Welcome to the WAD show! We've got a great show lined up for you guys today. NVIDIA hit a valuation of two trillion dollars. Yes, yes, with a pinky. Trillion. Also, Reddit's licensing deal with Google has been... This was leaked, right? No, they confirmed the leak. Also, Reddit is going public. What else we got today? PlayStation 2 VR is coming to pc five well okay uh playstation vr 2 he's not feeling well today this could be a rough show

and i have no excuse what else we got oh boy um and the ceo says don't buy hell divers too really yeah you pick that i don't know the ceo of what uh it's not it doesn't say i'm pretty sure the ceo of uh the arrowhead which is the company cool that's the context they needed let's roll that intro oh boy whoa oh boy whoa this disaster is brought to you by ag1 vessessi, and The Ridge. Why don't we jump right into our headline topic, and that is NVIDIA's market cap go stonks. What the actual f*** am I looking at here? This is parabolic.

Surely, there must be a limit to this somewhere, but we've yet to see it. Absolutely incredible. So what we're looking at here is CryptoBoom the first, CryptoBoom the second, and AI... Okay, what's a word that's bigger than boom? Hyperboom? I like Hyperboom. Yeah, I don't know... TurboBoom.

TurboBoom. MondoBoom. OmegaBoom. I don't mind OmegaBoom, but boom. Mondo boom. Omega boom. I don't mind omega boom, but it would have to be the last one, and I really don't think this is the last we're seeing of interesting uses for NVIDIA's GPUs that are, spoiler, not gaming. NVIDIA briefly hit a $2 trillion market cap this morning, becoming the third company to do so after Apple and Microsoft.

market cap this morning, becoming the third company to do so after Apple and Microsoft. However, Axios has argued that NVIDIA's current arc is likely to plateau given that most of its biggest customers, like Microsoft and Google, have reported weak earnings numbers recently, in part because their expensive AI features largely aren't making money yet. NVIDIA might also face increased competition within the AI chip market as companies like Microsoft continue developing their own chips in an effort to move away from their dependence on NVIDIA

who charges, as we gamers already knew and could have warned them about, a lot for their technology. Oh yeah. In its most recent annual report, NVIDIA listed its top competitors as Huawei,

AMD, Amazon, Microsoftrosoft and broadcom nvidia has also launched a beta for the nvidia app okay well this is a completely separate topic we can very very different anyway the point is um we're being asked in our discussion question how overhyped is it really? And I would like to preface our response with, we are not analysts. No. Yep. This is not financial advice.

There's no anal in either of us. Nope. Not right now. Oh. Anyway, the point is that we're not analysts, and this is not financial advice that should set the tone for how seriously you should be taking any of what I'm about to say.

Yeah. Um, but to be, to be truthful with you, I think that Nvidia does have competition coming. Uh, Jim Keller actually just weighed in on sam altman's whole thing where he needs like seven trillion dollars to build ai chips or something like that and he's basically like i'll do it in less oh yeah like that jim keller like like like k8 amd jim keller and um shoot what was the uh uh what man i'm trying to think oh yeah also zen jim keller like like that jim keller like chip architect jim keller um so with that said i mean it's clear that competition is coming for them it's clear that additional fab capacity is coming in the future. Intel has been talking a lot about their intention to,

I mean, this is great. This actually isn't in the doc this week, but Pat Gelsinger said, we'd love to build chips for AMD. He actually finally said the thing that I was talking about over the last little bit, where I've been like, hey, this Intel, we're going to be a fab thing is something that i think has been overlooked

not financial advice um also intel insiders are apparently buying up a bunch of stock right now not financial advice uh but either of us are analysts but what appears is going to be happening. TSMC is adding fabrication capacity in Japan in anticipation of China's eventual encroachment on Taiwan. Intel is building out fab capacity at a pace that, to my knowledge, has not been seen before from them. Including in the continental US. um including in the continental u.s um we've got intense competition for this enormous market that is the ai chip market both from a dedicated chip designers and from the companies that are the ones who are procuring these chips like the microsoft's of the world um so i do i do think that competition is coming however and this is from someone who would not describe themselves as a fan of nvidia's way of doing business it's funny because jensen has actually said very similar things about intel

but i will say this about nvidia and that is if nvidia were to for some reason enter myspace i would immediately be heading for the facebook that's pretty good you're applauding that that's pretty good i assumed you were going for the bell anyway uh the point is they are not a company worthy of the bell that i would bet against um and so you know if there's a big paradigm shift and traditional gpus it don't make as much sense as some kind of new ai chip architecture um i wouldn't imagine myself um you know savvier and cleverer than nvidia in terms of figuring that out and being somewhat on top of it with that said it's not like there aren't other

smart people out there um and what i'm trying to say is the future is extremely murky i do see how there could be some hesitation around just projecting, you know, infinite growth because that's not how that works. And that is a good point that these AI features aren't making money. But just because a space isn't making money doesn't mean that there isn't going to be a ton of capital rushing into it. And as long as these companies keep buying it doesn't matter now now if they're not making money that could be a sign that they're not going to keep buying but silicon valley has often not really cared that much and the intense competition that you guys are noting for the on the chip side also exists on the software side. And that competition, as far as I can tell,

has not slowed down at all. I mean, at Google, people are sharing internal memes, kind of poking fun at how many AI products and how many AI code names Google has for all of the various initiatives that they're running right now. Something has to power that, and that something is NVID Nvidia for the time being.

Yeah. I would love to see, man, can I just dream for a second here? Okay. We had that whole thing. We talked about this a few weeks ago where, uh,

AMD was like cloak and dagger, like, like funding, um, uh, like a CUDA translator that could run on AMD GPUs. And so, you know, if I could imagine like an amazing world,

it would be one where AMD, you know, instead of NVIDIA using gaming to get profitable and build AI stuff, you know, AMD sells some AI GPUs and then uses that sick ai money to build better gpus that they also sell to gamers like like they flip the whole they flip the whole thing upside down and then we get like real competition in the gaming space but i don't think that's going to happen i mean amd has shown time and time again that they are every bit as much a company as nvidia is yeah uh well i shouldn't say every bit as much a company as nvidia is yeah uh well i shouldn't say every bit as much a company as nvidia is they are a similar similar level of just a company to nvidia um and so they're going to

operate in their best corporate interest but hopefully that remains um you know building gpus for gamers please but realistically i think we could end up waiting for battle mage um to to be a real threat that's why i've been leaning for a while now up waiting for Battlemage to be a real threat to NVIDIA. That's why I've been leaning for a while now. I feel like it's going to be Intel eventually. I don't necessarily know that it'll be Battlemage. Maybe it'll be... I don't think it's going to be Battlemage.

I was dreaming. Whatever the C1. I was dreaming Celestial. Ah. Yeah. I was dreaming. I think after that is, I want to say Druid. Ark.

Druid. Is that a thing? Have they announced them that far ahead uh yeah yeah druid is still just a rumor but that is uh that that is that is understood to be the code name so alchemist battle mage celestial druid and then i don't think we have anything for e evoker yet uh it'll be a voker evoker yeah really yeah not elf no not elfling battle mage and druid are classes sure but is celestial well i guess kind of i mean you could say you could say you could say oh oh enchanter oh that's pretty good or or they could mix it up enchantress yeah is that pc anymore literally

no idea yeah i have no idea you know what let's play this game i know i promised it would be a short show today because luke's not feeling well but let's let's play this game with the okay they could cheat for something like f they could go fire mage or something like that you kind of you could kind of cheat it yeah yeah uh you could go flare um you could go with fighter let's see oh fighter oh man fighters actually i kind of like fighter 700 would be like a sick name like just the most it's the most basic yeah but it's almost just it's almost the strongest sounding yeah okay i'm going with i'm going with we're gonna map it out for intel and if anyone from intel is watching we and and the community are gonna do the rest of the work for you guys and then you just have to stick with our roadmap grenadier yeah i was thinking like gunner or grenadier or something gunner why do you keep

immediately having something that's way more obvious and way better than mine i don't know if they would go with gunner though okay hellcat oh give me something here um howitzer no that's not really yeah i think sticking away from the guns is likely for intel yeah that makes sense there's a lot of weight on that yeah and and like you know mage and celestial hunter hunter that wasn't me that was that was that was full plane chat i took that from full plane dang it okay okay hold on hold on okay i's gotta be ice something um uh no no it could be i'm trying to do this on my own you're just reading float plane chat that is such a hack all right all right i didn't get the only one i got from there i i said what it was um i i want to kind of cheat just go with invoker instead of evoker oh come on

uh illusionist illusion oh illusionist is good i'm picturing uh man what what's I'm picturing Job from Arrested Development though it makes me think of like very old school RPGs Joker? Jester? Joker? Javelinist? like Joester? Dang it! Stop it! You're actually upsetting me now How about jackass?

Jerk face. Jack off. No. Almost got him. Oh my goodness. Okay. Okay. That was close.

Okay, K. Oh, K is a tough one. You know, they even used it as a codename before. Knight's Corner, Knight's Landing. That was even freaking a GPU. How did I not think of it? This one's going to be really hard. Okay, L.

Lancer. okay l lancer oh oh oh oh light bringer no okay uh light bringer well no it's more of a name it's it's less of a lancer's a class if we're sticking with classes i feel like i feel like light bringer could be like a paladin specialization i think lightbringer is fine well yeah it could be but it isn't it could be okay so but there's got to be there's got to be light something there's got to be like uh um i mean yeah i guess we missed kind of some obvious ones like h could be like holy knight or something like that but then we're gonna end up with two nights probably. Okay. L. L. You could have like lunar something, you know, lunar elf or something like that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Again, that's a race, not a class. All right. I'm just looking. I'm just looking at Luke. No, it's not going to be Luke. That'd be so sick. Light llama.

Why am I even looking at this? You guys aren't even helpful. Okay. I'd ask for no royalties at all. Just name it Luke. They've already done Battle Mage. So we can't just go straight for Mage. Yeah. Murderer. No, probably not.

Intel Arc. Seems extremely unlikely. Intel Arc Murderer. That's more like what would be Nvidia's codename for whatever they're gonna put up against it mercenary

um it might be too like madman something like that ooh mercenary it's gotta be dang it um

oh marauder marauder's good marauder marauder it's gonna be marauder yeah and uh oh night out night blade night bliff crap picked a race again yeah you sure did okay oh um oppressor Okay, oh. Oppressor. I don't know. That sounds like it could be a- It's kind of sick.

I just don't think Intel would do it. Oppressor, Onslaught, like, Overpowerer, like, oh. Oh, man. Oh, man, D could have been, like, Devourer. That would have been kind of cool. It's a little graphic, though. It's a little graphic. I feel like Intel is going to want to be a little bit more and looking at the artwork that they've had so far it's more like

like like arcane and like uh like high fantasy it's not like like horror yeah so i think like like devour it's more doom it's like demonic you know um yeah something like a cult not only is that not a class but yeah i think they wouldn't go that direction the occultist occultist that's actually not terrible we don't have a ton of options like omen something omen omen bringer like out of okay i don't know what is what is chat saying oracle obviously yeah it's good it has to be oracle you guys You guys clear W on that one. Yeah. Paladin. Okay. Yes!

One victory for me! There you go. Q. It's like Queen or like... Hmm. Is this even fun for people? I have no idea. Not a clue.

Yeah. People seem engaged. Quar engaged quartermaster that's not bad quartermaster is pretty good that's actually that's solid i kind of like quartermaster i actually like that a lot there's a lot of like queen and quilt and you just kind of quiz quilt yeah i think quartermaster is really solid i would laugh so hard if they made it quilt no like the quilt fighter he's like just puts a blanket over his head he's down in the corner and just hopes no one notices yeah um security blanket uh q r r uh rabbit no oh that one's pretty s swordsman probably not no it's too it's too simple spell blade oh okay that's cool uh sorcerer you could yeah there's actually so many like spell binder you could come up with almost anything for that there's tons of s's um

samurai yes yeah nice that would be pretty sick actually i i think it's gotta have to be samurai samurai's pretty just with how much kind of you know magey stuff we've already got i don't want to see like spell spell smooth yeah i like i like samurai too t that's good tay. It's a popular name. Really fast. The Ark Taylor. It's your bard. It's just like a... Get it?

It's fast? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got there. It's a little slow today. There's like Thief. Oh, okay. Yeah, I don't think they'd want that, though. I don't think they would want Thief.

No. No Thief. Ark. Ark. Uh... um okay yeah i don't think they'd want that i don't think they would want no no no thief arc arc so they wait yeah arc was the first one so it could be like alchemist arc battle mage arc celestial uh yeah yeah yeah no no arc is always part of it. Okay, okay. Ooh, Tempest. I like that. I like that. Tempest. Tempest is pretty good.

I think that's got to be the one. Tinkerer is not bad, though. Tinkerer is very good. And very different from everything so far. Yep. I mean, at this point, we're talking, like, the roadmap is out into about 2040 or so, 2045. So we might not even live long enough to see these code names. And they've probably they probably like picked a

new naming scheme at this point anyways but who knows maybe this will be the one time that a company actually sees it through google bailed why did they bail on android names yeah i liked them it was it was so much more memorable i can't even keep track of the numbers anymore yeah whereas like if you ask me okay what did kit kat look like i'd be like oh yeah like kind of like that yeah yeah honeycomb like oh yeah yeah honeycomb was when we like you know got landscape on tablets and stuff right like it just and it worked better and stuff like it was more optimized like i remember those things um okay okay what do we leave off what do we leave off i'm not with it enough to even know but okay we're under we're on you you yeah ultra something probably like ultra ultraist that's not how that's that's an a thanks i mean i thought it was more beat here but

appreciate you hey there we go uh my brain went to undert, but they would never do that. No, no, no, no. No. Umbra? Is that like... Umbra? What is Umbra? Isn't that just like a soccer brand? Oh, no, that's Umbro. Trust them. Unicorn?

Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, that'd be cool branding, like Unicorn Rider or something like that, but I just, I don't see it. It's not really aligned with what we have so far, which the alchemist battle mage celestial druid i just don't i don't see like a prancing unicorn usurper i like that one oh that's not bad it might feel a little late like i would assume that we're not going to get to usurper if they haven't usurped anything by yeah that's pretty fair i do like it though ultima that's pretty fair. I do like it though. Ultima, that's pretty sick. Yeah, that's a spell though, right?

Like that's not, it's going to be ultra something. Ultra blade or ultra something. But I don't know exactly what. Conrad says, Gemini says, umbralist, untamer, and urchin. Yeah, it's definitely. Umbra is the fully shaded inner region of a shadow cast by an opaque object especially the area on the earth or moon experiencing a total phase of an eclipse it is often used in video games to describe like something shadowy something you should be

concerned about there's a sword in morrowind called umbra the umbralist that like uh yeah i don't think that's compels the wielder to be it okay bone ultra something yeah the that one's kind of unfortunate the violence giver the the venge venge something it closes the venger uh well i first went to ventriloquist which is not good the violinist everyone's fighting you're just like i mean they don't have a bard yet so yeah yeah yeah unless they go with my pitch for t the taylor v for the violence reeker i am i am stealing this from chat i saw this before i closed the screen but viper um it's okay it could be like a specialization maybe yeah but it's a little

like poison-based rogue or something yeah the um the vasectomy giver i could see a dnd campaign based based around that. I will eliminate your offspring. We won't win this war this year or next year. But give us a generation or two. We'll win this war in generations from now. If only it wasn't a real thing. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so V then.

I mean, it's for Vendetta, obviously, right? But the V obviously right but the vendetta okay do you guys have anything vanguard dang it how'd we not think of that yeah yeah yeah all right vulture that's not bad either vanguard i think is it no it's got to be vulture really yeah it's vanguard yeah yeah all right tvw okay w uh war horse warlord warlord's pretty good i think warlord's cooler than wizard warlock warlock warlock all right we'll just go with that i think warlock might win yeah you got one all right x x man just collab with them yeah like whatever we couldn't think of a name yeah well that was like uh google did with um nestle or whatever for kit kat oh yeah okay we have nothing for k so we're gonna we're gonna like license the thing that we can call it like we'll work with them on it um so it's actually just x man i feel like there's got

xenomorph that's something that's that's chat chat gets credit for that one is that a class they could just call it they could just call it the warrior princess xena um xena actually sounds pretty cool yeah but i'm pretty sure it would have a similar issue to x-man yeah yeah you know what let's just go with um yeah xenomorph would have the same problem too that's that's certainly copyrighted or whatever the yeah copyrighted or protected in some way um xeno xeno blade oh no that's a thing crap uh xeno something probably yeah um okay why yak rider i kind of like that i can't think of much um um the yakker right right because we don't have uh we don't have like uh like a charismatic the yakker the yakker yeah did you just did you just do a takedown of my entire class

literally my job it's funny because when i first jumped to was yappy um all right i'm going to chat yeah what do they got yolo yurf dog wow you guys aren't even trying anymore. Yggdrasil is not like a... The Yankee. Yeah, but it's a cool word. It is a cool word. What's a Yankee? It like rides into battle. Yodeler. There you go. The Yodeler.

I mean, sure. Yeoman? That's something. Which is more than what we had you missed arc what no what uh yeah yelman is yelman is decent i say we go with that yelman it's like a shaman but cooler i guess so i don't think so i forget what they do yeah man uh a man holding and cultivating a small landed estate a freeholder yeah i know i i thought you were saying like y-a-m-m no yeah it's not it's not much yell man sir that i mean funnily enough it is like a shout attack yeah yeah um like a shout attack yeah yeah um okay sure we can't do yakuza they can't do yakuza that's not yeah that's definitely not gonna be a thing no jeezy collab no no all right z

zapper oh conrad's got it he might have got it from gemini i'm not sure but zealot oh zealot okay yeah that's gonna have to be it okay man what did we do for s sapper wouldn't have been bad there was there was like too many oh there was too many for s yeah that's right oh there's so many good ones a million can i can i have sapper sapper is pretty good is intel gonna want to call their thing sapper i think i think you could i think you could i think with cool enough branding sapper fits into what we have established so far swashbuckler dang there's so many s's fine zookeeper all right let's go into topic number two i don't even remember what topic number one was anymore. There was a bit of an ending on topic number one,

which is NVIDIA has also launched a beta for the NVIDIA app, which finally merges features of GeForce Experience and the NVIDIA control panel on Windows. It offers account-based awards, but thank goodness, finally, doesn't require login to use. It actually looks super cool. They also launched, I believe it's in beta right looks super cool they also launched i believe it's

in beta right now but they also launched a new feature so the the ai powered sdr to hdr video conversion that they've had available for some time now is now available as a toggle in the new driver and this is a really well-timed launch from them going hey try our new driver not only is it a new driver and like you know the first time we've updated our look in you know 20 years or however long it's been since they first launched the nvidia control panel but we've got this very compelling new feature that people might want to try so it it's an automatic SDR to HDR converter for games, which already exists, at least in Windows, but is now powered by AI or something.

I haven't tried it yet. We were working on a video on the video version, and then we were going to kind of touch on the hacky way that some folks found to enable it in games. But now we're just going to bundle those two together, and we're going to do a video on hdr or sdr to hdr conversion because there's a lot of hdr monitors out there now at this point as if you consider tvs monitors there's a ton of them basically every tv in the last few years over the very very entry level has been hdr capable and in many cases more capable than the entry level hdr

monitors so anyone who's gaming on a tv a relatively recent tv is going to be able to take advantage of this in a big way because there's still a significant shortage of hdr content particularly on the video side like if you go like if you just you know look at look for any movie you enjoy here uh pick a movie you enjoyed as a kid that you think is you know probably not a huge deal you know it's not lord of the rings but just some movie you liked he's gonna out himself here oh man i just i just it's it's white chicks isn't it all right i'll look it up white chicks you just you cut me off at the pass i was gonna say lord of the rings fellowship of the ring and then you were like can't be that i was like all right fair enough i've never watched like a ton of movies um original top gun okay yeah top gun

man okay top gun probably does have an hdr release uh what was it 1988 uh night shut up it's not from 1980 is it 1986 all right uh man i can't believe tom cruise has been cool as long as i've been alive mind-blowing yeah uh no top gun did get a 4k ultra hd blu-ray so it it is available uh with in dolby vision but my point is that there are a lot of older movies that are not available in hdr in any release format that's that decent quality there's a lot that do have hdr releases through streaming platforms but if i could watch the blu-ray with a light ai upscaling and with a good sdr to hdr conversion i think i'm at the point now where i understand and i accept that that's the best i'm ever gonna get and i think i could settle for that because hdr 4k blu-ray is dying oh original tron yeah that probably got the hdr you've seen that right

um oh i haven't wow hey speaking of which have you played any final fantasy 6 no i wanted to this week but if i wasn't working i was generally sleeping yeah right so who would like to see a 4k remaster of original tron no it appears it has not gotten the treatment apparently neither has robocop uh sean of the dead i doubt sean of the dead is getting uh i agree but that would be whatever i would like that movie um what was sean of the dead shot on would it even shut up it was shot on film with re cameras there would be enough dynamic range there and enough resolution for them to do it if anyone was motivated enough to do it and it really is it's a great movie it's so good i'm not even a huge fan of the zombie movie genre.

So I'm sure there were references that I didn't get and stuff like that. But it was it was absolutely a blast. And I love Simon Pegg. I just think he is one of those people who's naturally hilarious no matter what he's doing. It's incredible. A galaxy quest. Oh, oh, so good. Speaking of actors that I love no matter what he's doing it's incredible it's a galaxy quest oh oh so good speaking of actors that i love no matter what they're doing um oh my god why can't i remember his name right now this is so embarrassing uh alan rickman geez oh wow yeah alan rickman man he's awesome he's

fantastic and everything he's awesome have you seen galaxy in everything. He's awesome. Have you seen Galaxy Quest? Yeah. Oh, okay. Parts of it. By Grapp Tharsan. Oh, man, he's so good. I haven't seen the whole thing, but I've seen parts of it. You haven't? What? Yeah.

How can you watch part of a movie like that and not watch the whole thing? I just don't really watch stuff that often. I guarantee you've seen parts of original Tron. You ever watch the whole thing? No, I've never seen any of it. Wow, really? Yeah. I mean, when would I? Okay, we've never seen any of it. Wow. Really? Yeah. I mean,

I, when would I, okay. We either had it on VHS when I was a kid or we never owned it. Where would I have seen it? Like galaxy quest. I never had like access to it. Well,

where, where did you see it? How do you see parts of movies? Uh, people reference it all the time. There's like YouTube things on it. Stuff like that. Oh, okay. There's like YouTube things on it. Stuff like that. Oh, okay.

Yeah. All right. Fair enough. Luke might be a psycho. Maybe. I don't know. I get too distracted watching TVs and shows. TVs and shows.

Oh, man. If I'm watching something with somebody. Well, that's why you're distracted. You got all these TVs. How are you supposed to pay attention to any of the movies you're watching my my living room is just like types of loose movie reviews really disjointed story it felt like if they'd had five six more of a movie there there really would have been something maybe it had something to do with the fact that i had half a dozen movies going at the same time maybe not sure that seems like a movie problem not a me problem uh yeah

uh yeah i was i was saying like my my living room is like those old like 90s sets with like just the tower of crts it's like yeah that's how i watch tv uh i watch tvs i guess it's time for us to talk about the big reddit licensing deal with Google slash Reddit goes public. Reddit filed its initial public offering yesterday to be listed on the New York Stock Exchange as RDDT. According to the company, in addition to offering stock to institutional investors, they will also be offering it to its top users, including moderators, based on Reddit karma. I knew that karma was going to be worth something someday too bad it's reddit stock yeah with that said reddit has some news obviously timed to help boost it during the ipo to share that makes it seem like maybe not just an endless

money pit forever reddit confirmed a leak claiming it had struck a content licensing deal with a major ai company google will apparently have direct access to reddit's api for the purpose of training data the deal is rumored to be worth 60 million us dollars annually to reddit the filing likewise revealed that open ai ceo sam altman is the third largest shareholder in reddit with 8.7 percent of the shares compared to reddit ceo steve huffman's 3.3 percent of course he's in there somewhere so um the whole thing where you know you create the value for the site where where the site is free to use because you're the product yeah there's your there's your evidence there it is there it is right there everybody knows i don't know do they though i i actually i'm not no i'm not convinced of that i i had a family dinner'm not convinced of that i had a family

dinner not that long ago and i had a relative ask me well how do you make money on youtube i was like how do they make money with tv like ads and and and like product placements what what what are you asking how does anybody make money on anything like i think i think people just especially older generation people no no fundamentally do not understand that the internet costs money even necessarily yeah like like the the idea that reddit might need tens of millions of dollars in order to operate is just why it's just a page of text right like that can't be that hard right like it might be a lot cheaper if it's just a page of text right like that can't be that hard right like it might be a lot cheaper if it was just a page of text i suspect it has to do a lot with reddit video and uh lots of other things they have going on their picture and video hosting

there was there was sites that cropped up in the early reddit days i think imager is one of them uh but i i'm pretty sure there was other ones as well where their whole thing was that they were a host for video and pictures that went on Reddit. And then I think Reddit saw that and was like, oh, we want to move this in-house, but that just costs insane amounts of money. So there's a couple of discussion questions here. One is how will going public change Reddit?

I mean, I don't think at all compared to how they've been behaving recently since everything they've done over the last couple of years has been in the lead up to going public and trying to juice the value as much as humanly possible. I guess what I want to know is how... Yeah, no, I guess I don't really want to know anything. Oh, right. Yes, I remember what I want to know. I want to know if you would invest in Reddit.

No. Well, hold on a second, though. Would you have said the same thing when Facebook went IPO? When did they go IPO? Oh, man, it's like 10, 12 years ago. Then probably. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Facebook IPO versus today hold on so facebook

has been uh well i think a five a five banger for people who invested hold on ipo price of 38 dollars around at today's price oh whoa whoa whoa today's price of around 191 per share this article is from 2019. Okay, where is the stupid, how much are they worth today? So they went IPO at apparently $38 on the first trading day. And then Facebook stock price. So what are we at now? 484.

Okay, so it's more than a 10 banger, 10 bagger, bagger. That's the word. So it's like a 13 bagger or something like that you 13 extra money over uh what was it let's see when did they go ipo so that was 2012 so about 12 years ago man i'm good okay facebook was the king of the internet back then they were but it wasn't clear what their model for actually monetizing any of it was going to be yeah but that never mattered okay all right but you don't see a path to reddit becoming a bigger player in the advertising space or the ai advertising space no as far as my understanding

goes advertising on reddit uh is horrible and has always been horrible what about the micro transaction space i don't think so i don't think anyone really cares um they even like killed awards didn't they i'm not sure i don't know i think so i don't really use. I don't think anyone really cares. They even like killed awards, didn't they? I'm not sure. I don't know. I think so. I don't really use Reddit to be honest with you. Maybe there's some other new way to do it.

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe there's some other new way to do it, but I think they removed the original way that you could like guild posts and stuff like that. They might've replaced it. I might be wrong. I don't know. Don't take that as anything.

Their only real value I can think of is selling their data um which they're getting 60 million for it from one company i don't know if that's exclusive i doubt it assume really i sincerely doubt that that's exclusive i mean why would sam altman who owns what was it like six point something percent of the company 8.7 um yeah why why would he be like you know what would be cool not having this data not having this data i'm not going to advocate against this like and if they took even if they took half as much for access from google well then they could sell it google microsoft who would open ai just have them not necessarily they could say no you have to buy

two licenses one for microsoft one for open ai and i mean who the fuck knows like maybe yahoo still wants it because they want to be relevant again or something like microsoft again you could oh that's right you could definitely the point is you could definitely turn around and sell it multiple times selling to microsoft like six times yeah and you know you're a public company so you're just going to do whatever is best for you ethics be damned so you're probably going to sell it to you know like a um um crap it's escaping me the one that like alibaba uh you're probably going to sell it to um you know by do uh no no i i absolutely i absolutely think they can scale up selling their data um maybe they'll have some pretty good use but there's a lot of the laws around that right now are kind of weird and the

concern for me is that that might already be priced in. Yeah. But I don't know that for sure. How much, how much are they losing per year right now? Uh, that I don't know. I can tell you that they've been really pushy lately about us advertising on them. I don't think they really know who we are.

It's like, Oh, hold on one sec. Um, like I, I, I, we don't advertise yeah linus tech tips on reddit well we we i guess that might go to the wrong inbox but we do advertise like certain creator warehouse things not went to my inbox and they're like yeah linus tech tips is really cool uh brands have seen success in our program we thought linus tech tips could be a good fit heck yeah dude uh you're missing out on an incremental engaged audience um

yeah i um i guess that's neat but like we don't i mean do you want do you want to advertise with us? Yeah, really. Who knows what we're worth? Yeah, yeah. We can sell your data. I don't know how to read this. I'm getting like headlines, but I'm not getting a lot of... Apparently, they saw 21% revenue growth, but $90 million in losses. Nice. Sick. Nice.

I mean, you know, for Silicon silicon valley that's pretty good right that's pretty good yeah yeah yeah um i don't know i would be i i would have been pretty what is is bullish the right term on facebook yeah when it went ipo i remember when that happened and i remember being like don't have any money don't have any money yeah would have been sick though um i don't feel the same way this time around um i remember before halo 1 came out i i like begged my grandpa to invest in bungie without knowing that that wasn't like a thing you could do um but i was like this game's gonna go bangers i like i know it um i remember years later being like oh man i wish he like did that he'd be like so wealthy now and then i looked into it and i was like yeah it's

not a thing you can do like okay cool oh man oh luke anyways uh all right i think it's time for us to do a couple merch messages and explain what they are they're the best way to interact with the show because instead of just throwing money at the screen like you might do with other streamers you get to throw money at the screen and also get great merchandise in your mailbox we've got a couple of big announcements for the store this week. First, we have a backpack discount update. We have extended the expiry on our dual layer, uh,

discount for backpack buyers prior to December 9th to make sure that they can use it towards magnetic cable management. If they choose to, I had someone asked me about this. They were like, Hey, am I going to be able to use my credit for magnetic cable management?

And I was like, yeah. And then the launch was delayed. And now we're like, yeah. Still yeah. Still yeah, but it's going to be a little bit. So the expiry date has been moved to March 15th, which should give you some idea of when magnetic cable management is hopefully coming.

We also have a backpack carabiner update. Source Reddit. This is hilarious. They are in people's hands. Check it out. This is it. This is the real deal. This is the kit that you will get with all your

replacement bits and bobs. You get the tool for prying open the original uh pole holders you get a set of regular poles from ykk so this is just in case you've had enough carabiner in your life and you just don't want any more of it you get a full set of replacement carabiner poles these are in titanium alloy of some sort. They're super awesome. They don't have any hinges on them.

They just, we've shown them on the show before, but they basically just have these cuts in either side, so they're really bendy at the right spot, and they work like a carabiner would. And you get the custom-designed, from the Creator Warehouse team, zipper closer tool that that is i think did we end up injection molding this i don't remember it's either 3d printed or injection

molded but it's plastic and you basically turn the thing in order to close it shut i believe tynan hosted the video that you will scan this qr code to view and it shows you exactly how to replace them all the whole process should take less than like 10 minutes to get all the old ones off and all the new ones on now this is really important i cannot stress this enough you are to use either these or these one time just one time don't swap back and forth these are not for you know oh you know i'm really in a carabiner mood today and or no you know what i'm really feeling the more basic pull look one time if you open them and close them and open them and close them and replace the pulls more than you have to it will cause the metal to fatigue and it will cause it to break so one time um don't tell me what to

do i'm telling you what we'll cover so that's what i'm telling you trust me bro do it one time uh the last thing for us to shout out this week for the store is that we have stock of the legendary Honeywell PTM 7950 thermal pads. These are sweet. They really are. This has been a long time coming. As it turns out, Honeywell, not a super easy company for randoms like me to get in touch with and we were but we were able to get in touch with someone who was a viewer slash fan and had a contact at a distributor for honey well and was able to get us access to their ptm 79, which we actually reviewed.

Here we go. Reddit told me to buy this. Man, the whole show is Reddit-themed today. Reddit, Reddit, Reddit. About a year and a half ago. Long story short, it's really cool. You put it in the fridge, which solidifies it. You cut it in the shape that you want.

You peel the backings off of it. put it well you peel one side you put it onto whatever it is you're trying to cool cpu gpu or whatever the case may be you peel the other plastic off of it and then what happens is once you mount your heat sink or your well yeah heat sink or water block or whatever it is and it warms up it changes phases allowing you to have a perfect mount every time there's no inconsistency like you might encounter sometimes with thermal paste so yeah super cool and you can buy this stuff in other places it's absolutely a thing but in most cases that we've seen it is either extremely expensive or it comes from sources where you have no guarantee whatsoever

that the sheet of gray shmoo that you're buying is actually ptm 7950 because honeywell doesn't engage with little piddly you know computer sellers they're not interested yeah if you're not if you're not a government entity they're basically not picking up the phone and that's that's not a fair characterization entirely but the point is that they're only really interested in very big fish now it is still not cheap you can see here a six centimeter yeah six centimeter by six centimeter pad is 14.99 but we also offer a 200 mil by 160 mil for, wait, where'd the price go? Ah, yes, for $69.99. So that would give you a lot of uses.

Let's see if we can, oh no, did we not, oh, please tell me we have pictures for scale. Okay, here's the two for scale. Oh no, do we, do we have, do we have any of the next two CPU? Okay, well, well whatever six centimeters is pretty big and 20 okay so that's 20 so okay so here for my american friends that's about uh two-thirds you like fractions right two-thirds of a 12-inch ruler ish ish uh by about half of a 12-inch ruler there you go so that's that's pretty big. That's quite a few applications. Is it reusable?

No. It changes phases, so it is definitely something you would want to clean off after you're done. Anyway, really cool product, really good performance, not like your grandma's thermal pad. What?

Nothing. Anyway, merch messages. All you gotta do is go to lttstore.com and in the cart there'll be a little box. Whenever we're live you can fill out a merch message and it'll go to producer Dan who will reply to your message, forward it to the appropriate person, or curate it for me and Luke to address

on the show. So Dan, why don't you go ahead and hit us with a couple of merch messages sure can do hi lld luke how does having birds limit your life what do you do when you go on holiday is it more difficult than having a cat love all animals yeah it can be kind of annoying um birds are super fragile so there's a lot of things like in the air um like if someone cooks with um like non-stick pans and stuff it can it can put things in the air that can kill the the birds there's other different cleaners and things they might use around their house and whatnot that can be really bad for the birds it's a lot of stuff that would be in the air um there's even like air fresheners in your car

so having someone else drive them around can even be a problem um so when a full-plane child said how to friends bird die from resin 3d printer fumes yeah not surprised not surprised at all um it's for us there is a local bird vet uh uh avian vet avian vet avian vet is that what it's called i think so sure um and they do boarding so when we go away we can leave them hopefully not with water that's for fish yeah there you go yeah come on down to luke's waterboarding leave your fish with us we'll make sure they get the finest care it was so concerning so many red flags um but yeah you

can leave them at the vet which uh is also nice because then you can get checkups and other stuff done while you're gone so yeah yeah the other one i got here hi wanda dlo with new ai processing and editing features in smartphone cameras what is a picture anymore how much processing is too much where's the line i mean this is kind of an older controversy now but uh the samsung checks out i was about to clear it yeah uh it's a space station it's not a moon. The point is, sorry, I'm layering up the Star Wars references here. It's pretty good. It's a lot of them, but I liked it. Yeah.

I was trying really hard for this one. I'm a little ray of Star Wars sunshine. Wow. Yeah. I don't think that one landed very well. No, it really didn't. Just like the movies. Yeah.

Po! Like dough, but it doesn't matter oh my goodness anyway yes the samsung moon photos where people were taking pictures of the moon through their samsung telephoto you know magnified ai zoom nonsense and didn't realize how how trained the model was to basically take their picture and use it as kind of a hint for a much more detailed scan of our picture of the moon that it was just kind of plunking into people's pictures wow gee look how perfect the moon looks in everyone's pictures on samsung phones what even is a picture anymore what even is truth how about this what was a picture ever what if your picture from you know 1951 was edited anyways wasn't in color and was grainy as heck

that wasn't in color and was grainy as heck and had you know contrast and clarity issues like okay uh one of the one of the big problems with earlier cameras was the way that they handled darker skin tones because they were designed by whites for whites um i didn't know about that makes sense yeah it's no it's like it's like a whole thing it's like it's anyway modern camera technology and lighting technology has caught up a lot to the point where you can what oh you are bleeding when did that even happen um please don't get blood on the table really dan i'll get some towels to clean it off Is it new? Does it look new? Yeah it looks new It's new blood Well I'm fine

I'll just try to not bleed on things That's the Twilight reboot Nice Anywho The point is A really paper towel You're getting him the form right? We should make him fill out the form Are you serious? Yes if you cut form right we should make him fill out the form

on where you show yes if you cut yourself at work you have to fill out the form maybe it wasn't at work i just told you it looks fresh they witnessed it how did that even happen do you know how much they witnessed you enough that you have to spray your mouth full of silver spray paint with all these all these references look it's been a long week okay what's happening it's not it's not even i don't think it's fresh oh man oh man this is great never injure yourself live on the internet because you are going to have you're going to immediately turn into a hypochondriac because you're going to have literally 10 000 people looking up all the horrible awful things that could cause a spontaneous skin lesion or that could infect your blood yeah they're gonna have to they're gonna have to cut it off above the elbow it's

gone yeah it's over my whole career oh my goodness you guys could be a tick yeah could be could be lupus could be a oh man might as well just amputate it now we don't even have time to get run workplace safety form any percent let's go oh my goodness it was a pre-existing condition he scratched a scab lmao did you have a scab i don't think so all right well i mean how big like i can't even really see it it's either that or uh oh no it's not very big what's this other good one i can't feel it either i feel like this happens some other time oh no tynan no look away oh no oh yeah tynan's not gonna let you get away with it safety man is here sudden sudden death syndrome he's not an infant okay it's not like

i don't i don't believe you that it's new i I can tell from the color. Look at the color of those pixels. It's, I mean, yeah, ish. And there's no blood here. Yeah, give me that. It's not dry. There's literally blood spots on here. What are you even talking about? There's like little flecks.

I think that's dried blood that got off. It's not. You can tell from the color, Luke. I tried to pull it off. What, you think I'm a f***ing idiot? You've known me a long time. I'm still gonna try. It's just about to scratch. It's merely a flesh wound.

I mean, it is a flesh wound, sure. I'll give you that, but it's... It wasn't a pimple. It's like a big spot. It's not a dry one. Stop showing everyone your blood. Gross. I'm trying to see it myself. Nice. Luke fills out the form. Live on the air. Let showing everyone your blood. Gross. I'm trying to see it myself. Nice. Oh my goodness. Luke fills out the form live on the air.

Let's go, Dan. Well, you have to give it to me. Yeah, Luke has to fill out the form. Oh, no. I mean, technically that's proprietary information. It is not. It's protected medical information, and you've told everybody on the internet that he's had a medical incident, and now he can...

I think technically I told everyone oh yeah oh good okay yes luke luke you can only sue yourself the company lives another day i'm gonna do it i'm not a member of the safety committee so i actually can't fill this out but we have an aed upstairs if you need it yes that is i was gonna bring it for comedy but i figured that was probably actually kind of irresponsible please don't do that yeah exactly it's like playing with fire extinguishers at work which we have never done allegedly i actually don't think i don't think so i was trying to think back in the old house i was like that seems very possible back then i don't think we have i don't think we did yeah yeah um i brought you a band-aid though do you want a band-aid sure just so i don't get blood on anything okay so i don't i still don't feel it back to our conversation about cameras so my question is

yeah is that photo that you took in 1951 real or are there all kinds of approximations and flaws in that representation that we only accept because we are used to them i i think by that logic yeah no no recreation of anything ever could be real so then but i do think that intentionally changing something we intentionally change things all the time what's a color filter i mean yeah i include that oh okay so then fine go ahead but is that so is that changing something through editing because the question is what is a picture anymore i guess my counter question is what was a picture ever if you've been on instagram what has a picture been this whole time because people are you know you can see people that are trying to

yeah shrink their waist or make their arms look big or whatever and you'll see yep oh i meant pecs i meant pecs both to be honest sure um and you'll see like the background behind them like warp because they've like expanded or or uh contracted something oh my goodness speaking of contracting something pen dan nice oh wait To the pen, Dan? Nice. Oh, wait! Oh my gosh. This was all planned. Oh, no way! Really?

Is this what I think it is? Are you allowed to show this off? I might have it. Yeah, are you allowed to show it off? I don't know. I'll go to CW and help you link it. Tynan, is he allowed? I feel like Tynan would know.

Dang it, I don't have it. I can go to CW. No, it's okay. It's okay. Oh, that sucks. Wait, is Tynan actually saying that? Okay. No, he's not.

I wanted to leak the fail pin, which I think we've actually talked about before but we've talked about it yeah we do we do have a i can't see can you put it on i can't see god this is sad what was that that was you not letting go when you try to hand me something yeah thanks it feels better now oh my goodness it's because i'm a father daddy kisses heal everything okay all right i'll do this right oh calm down you guys i kissed the band-aid i don't care either way um and he knew that um this is gonna end up on the subreddit before the night is out oh yeah yeah yeah yeah and it's gonna it's gonna explode it's gonna break the internet better invest in reddit wait

what are we supposed to be talking about right now right are they pictures right are you no you're just filling out forms okay well no i i think yeah i think um some camera nerds are gonna come back at me with like certain cameras are gonna naturally look different in a certain way compared to other ones but i think i think if you go in even framing even the way you frame a picture can change the context dramatically intensely yeah yeah yeah i think we're getting to a new man there's a movie reference here but i don't remember the exact naming but we're getting to like new ground here untread paths where we're having things that aren't even like we're not even necessarily tuning these dials like with the samsung thing it's just doing that automatically

it's changing the picture um that's uncharted waters there we go um strange new worlds yeah there's a there's a lot of different references this could be but i i do think this is new and different and in a way scary because i think it's kind of less obvious um i think there's a lot of ways like what we were talking about with the like bent backgrounds and stuff there's quite a few ways that you can tell if something was edited in the past this is gonna be that's gonna be harder a lot harder. Time of injury? I mean, we could check the time stamp. I bet someone knows.

I have no idea. How specific does it have to be? I mean, very accurate. I filled out a form for my injury the other day during the shoot. My cut was two millimeters long. I believe I caught a hangnail on my pants and really is that what it was i think so yeah because you were standing next to

a recently metal framed thing i just assumed you touched a sharp object or something no it was definitely uh pants ripping my fingers open that was was a fun shoot, though. Maybe we should talk about that a little bit. Let's do our... Oh, no, yeah, we've got topics. Okay, we get to do topics. So Luke wasn't there. I kind of feel bad for not inviting you. To what?

You probably would have wanted to come. The full projector wall thing? The world's largest gaming displays. Do you know the Weird Al song? Which one? Frank's 2000-inch TV. I don't think so. Hold on.

It sounds awesome. Does it have a music video? I actually don't know if this has a music video. It would appear that it does not. But it's a Weird Al song from, I want to say, the late 90s or something like that. Anyway, the point is that he sings this song about, you know, kind of poking fun at keeping up with the Joneses and flaunting your wealth through fancy electronics.

And it's sort of this, this guy who buys this end game TV that can only be delivered through just utterly decadent means. And, you know, but you know, thank God I can watch the Simpsons from 30 blocks away. Anyway.

So it's, it's, it's, it's really funny because it's weird alan he's always funny um so is what you're trying to say is that those pictures of that were edited no oh what i'm trying to say is that that display was 2070 inches we did it we made frank's 2000 inch tv that's pretty fantastic yeah it ended up being i forget the exact number so don't quote me We did it. We made Frank's 2000 inch TV. That's pretty fantastic.

Yeah. It ended up being, I forget the exact number. So don't quote me on this. Just wait to watch the video if you want to know the exact numbers, but it was something like 170 feet wide. Yeah. Yeah.

That makes sense. But like, wow. By like 30 something feet tall, absolutely enormous. And, oh, okay.

Right. Dan was there. Yeah. Dan, I'm going to say something that's going to sound controversial. And then there's no pressure to agree with me, but I would love to hear your take. One of the games that we played on it was flight simulator.

And I felt that it was more immersive than VR. Depends on the... Well, okay, so I was playing Microsoft Flight Simulator. So I can't remember if I even watched anybody do it. I'm not sure. I would say no in my opinion um certainly not playing it i felt very claustrophobic in the cockpit it seemed uh it wasn't kind of far back enough maybe if we had tweaked the settings and it would be a little bit better um looking around wasn't really possible in the cockpit you know maybe if i turned my head

something like that that's a really wide i would say display i would say it's a different it's a different kind of immersive to vr vr is like you're sitting there and this was kind of like the next best thing this is everywhere it was kind of more like it wasn't as as presence and as real as being in vr oops so i played some of the other games but i didn't actually play flight sim i watched dan play flight sim so i was um like i was the passenger of the plane. And maybe the fact that I didn't have to be focused on the middle. You can look around. And I could like really look around out over what feel like life-size vistas.

But because the display was so large that it occupied almost my entire field of view, even moving my head around a little bit the sense of scale was incredible i got that a lot too and i and i wasn't i wasn't looking through a periscope you know and modern vr headsets have reached a point where the where the field of view is pretty good that's right yeah but it wasn't even close but it isn't even close to to that experience of having genuine vastness you actually get the full fov of your eyes and there's no headset and like you're you're there i think i kind of got that feeling the same sort of feeling of being the passenger and just kind of looking but i'm

focused dead ahead yes my entire field of view is just you know langley and that's the thing right is that when i'm playing a game in vr this doesn't bother me because i'm focused on this yeah and if i want to see something else i'll do what i would do in real life because we can only achieve our our maximum resolution over what is it like a four percent of the area we can see it's not only within like a certain area like it's not it's not actually out here that you would so you would turn your head anyway so So that's really natural. But if I was, if I was an observer through that tunnel, I wouldn't like it. Whereas being an observer on the giant wall. Oh,

there's, there's like cool, more proper terms of this. I don't think this is the right term, but suspension of disbelief, I think is also hurt by something strapped onto your head. Like you're always going to be at least somewhat aware like yeah you might be convinced that the plank you're not convinced but your brain might

be freaking out because you're walking on a plank above a high rise and your brain's like i don't want to fall even though you know you're in vr but you have this thing strapped to your face there's there's a lot of cues to kind of remind you that it's it's not what's actually happening thinking back there was a number of moments where i don't know everything just kind of fell away because you're looking at a monitor but you're you're focused quite close to you and you don't have a headset so you don't have any of the perception of things touching you or that you're wearing a headset that's kind of harder to forget but when you're in front of basically just this window that you're wearing a headset that's kind of harder to forget but when

you're in front of basically just this window that goes into the sky um i think that that kind of dissociation happens a hell of a lot faster than with anything i've felt before i did not feel like i was looking at a wall it didn't look like a monitor later it looked like I was flying a window into something else. And the sense of motion that I got was so much more convincing than at least any other flat display that I have ever experienced, just because of the sheer vastness of it. It was a really cool setup. We actually ended up shooting two videos that day instead of just one. We shot one that's like a land center slash badminton center update um because people had to approve dance time

for this oh okay yeah people had to um people had more questions uh that they raised than they felt were answered by the first video so we ended up talking actually i don't think i've really addressed anyone's questions from the first video but the point is there's cool stuff uh and we and we talk about it dan goes through some of the networking stuff our armored fiber is on site yeah ready for installation so we do a little uh we do a little autopsy on the fiber that we're going to be rolling out and stuff like that it's a really cool video and then at the end of it uh chase shows off kind of what we have planned for a big projector gaming console corner and we grabbed the 120 inch screen from my that used to

be in my basement and we put that up and then we go yeah but it's dark enough in here we could go bigger and we kind of just throw as big of an image as we conceivably can with the projector that I had in my basement at the wall until we realize, okay. Yeah, you can only go so big no matter how dark it is before it starts to look washed out and garbo, right? We go from 2,700 lumens to working with an AV company that specializes in these kinds of deployments to a multi-projector 12,000 lumen setup. And, yeah, there's no way to, there's nothing I can say other than it's unlike anything I've ever experienced. I kind did want to see it but i'm sorry um no no no can you imagine that at 240 hertz i know it was only at 60 hdr 4k 240 hertz yeah well 2000 inch wall i guess what you're saying is you want to redo it yeah do it better yeah do it better bigger building. No. No.

That's going to be a no. Thank you for the suggestion, though, Dan. Appreciate you. You could use it for the new town. There's not going to be a new town. Yeah. None of these people know what you're talking about. It's on the pre-show.

That makes it better. No, inside jokes are not good. All right, Dan, do you want to hit us with one more uh wrong button yep sure i got one more let's see uh evening dll what happens if the cpus binned for the labs test benches fail do you restart the process are there any spares are they expected to be obsolete or replaced before they fail i really hope they don't um but as part of our process we're going to be retesting anyway and with new agisa updates bios updates uh driver updates the the ones that we're using may change anyway so it's something we're gonna have to go through regardless of whether one of them dies or whether one of them doesn't so it's just i think it's just uh oh my

gosh i'm an idiot what remember i was all concerned about showing people the scale of the thermal pads i have them yeah yeah i didn't think of that they're right here oh i didn't realize this was a thing that happened probably because i'm pretty out of it but yeah cool yeah anyway so the big ones i mean you're you're supposed to cut kind of both of them but one of these is like this is you're you're installing a cpu you're installing one cpu one one giant cpu or four smaller ones oh yeah you could do four small you totally could like i could do i could easily do uh four ryzen 7000s with this but unquestionably you'll be able to get one install for a cpu from that pretty much regardless

of size yes i can't think of one that wouldn't work uh i think some of the big epics you'd probably cover all the dies probably be fine but i just wouldn't you just get this big you just spent nine hundred dollars you know two thousand dollars on a cpu just get a proper thermal pad for it uh so that's what the big mama is for that's a big thermal pad so that's a lot of cpu. Yeah, you can cut that to whatever you want. Yeah. Yeah! And Sarah designed really nice packaging for it and everything. Yeah! So I'm pretty excited about that.

Looks very professional. Showed up to work. Showed up to cool your CPU for you. Or whatever else. Thanks, Luke. You're doing great today. Yeah. I'm going to crush him at Super Checks tonight.

If I even make it. He beat me last week. I'm so upset. Got him. I'm so upset. He was sick. That last game, I'm still unhappy. I think I was less sick than, funny enough.

Yeah, well, good. You're going down this week. I outshot him 2-1. I'm also grievously wounded i outshot him two to one and he outscored me three two got him so unhappy goalie standing on his head anyway the point is uh jump into our next topic i've had some insane manual blocks insane yes i know i was there you have two but like you know you know you didn't get a lot more goals on me um all right what are we talking about now i also got a lot less shots though

uh troy hunt is having an issue with his sono setup oh i feel like i'm gonna regret going down this rabbit hole before even asking but here goes we have eight sonos devices three wired the rest wireless we have massive wi-fi coverage with ubiquity mesh gear but are now having major problems playing audio to multiple rooms with constant dropouts regular unable to connect to device errors units appearing offline and so on firmware up to everywhere, power cycles and network reboots, but the problems persist. I'm guessing it's somehow network related, but I don't even know where to begin on this one. Ideas. I have two ideas. Idea number one is if you have the 2.4 gigahertz radios enabled on all

of your Ubiquiti units, go through and strategically disable a bunch of them i actually ran into this recently with my setup where i had everything on default i had all the 2.4 gigahertz radios on and i had them all set to automatic channel selection and on recent firmware this was very recent they were all selecting channel one for some reason and with all of them i have something like eight access points in my house or something like that with all of them i have something like eight access points in my house or something like that with all of them on channel one even just the regular pinging of hey are you there was annihilating the available um like the available band not bandwidth but just the available spectrum yeah like just utilization was capped and so i was having dropouts not with

my sonos devices necessarily but with some devices kind of everything and i was getting music cutting out however i went through and um jake actually recommended this picked one per floor to go to 2.4 gigahertz and then disabled 2.4 on all the rest of them that resolved the dropouts i was getting from other devices but i was still getting cutouts from my sonos units and yvonne made the suggestion that um you know or not suggestion but she asked a question because she's been married to me for a thousand years and listens and you know she just tries to participate and it's delightful uh she's not into tech but she knows a lot is what i'm trying to say

and she kind of goes oh well you know could it be a wireless issue and i go no it doesn't make any sense they're all wired all of my sonos units except one are wired and then i went into the app and i found that are they all working wirelessly anyways even though they are all plugged in there's a setting in the app to disable wireless on them now i don't know for sure that they were working wirelessly but what i will say is after i painstakingly went through and disabled wireless on all of them which is a horrible experience by the way sonos if you're watching because everything because you can't do it wholesale because as part of the process you have to navigate through like two or three different sub menus to even get to that button

for that one and number three it has to go through a process where it determines if it has a wired connection before it will allow you to disable the wireless connection, which I understand. But what I don't understand is why it takes like 30 seconds for it to determine that. And can I just go on a side rant here? Why the ever-loving f*** does it take so long for a device to tell you if it has a f***ing internet connection?

If it has one or not? Yes. It drives me batcrap crazy. Whether it's a game console or a TV where it does that. Man, remember the Wii? How long it would take to know if it had a f***ing internet connection?

How many milliseconds does it take to ping something? Do you have an interconnect connection? Yes or no? Yeah,

I wonder if, like, I wonder what exactly they're doing. I'm sure, I'm sure I'm, I think they're probably doing more than that. Obviously what is it i'm not sure and i feel like there has to be some convoluted phone home thing instead of just like ping google or something some of the newer ones do a speed test and they will report the result of that got it and and that makes sense you cannot

determine how fast a connection is without transferring some amount of data over some period of time longer than probably the you know nine milliseconds that would take to ping the nearest google data center we want to tell the user that there is an internet connection if we don't know it's stable yet but a lot of them don't appear to be doing that and just yeah i'm not sure just take a long time there's there's a there's a lot of stuff like that that i just i gotta tell you guys i just don't really understand um with how many millions of cycles per second a modern processor runs that why does it still take just about exactly as long to plug in an ethernet cable and for it to say

you're connected well i still i still feel like it's probably because it's doing external things well no because no no i'm not even talking about that right now i'm talking like when you plug in an ethernet cable or plug in an ethernet cable Okay, it has to negotiate the link speed, sure, but how long does that take? So you're talking even just your local network? Yeah. So even just detecting that it's plugged in at all? When you just plug in a cable. I haven't had this problem until actually my work desktop.

My work desktop's a huge pain. Sometimes it just will not accept an Ethernet connection. I have to restart the whole computer and then it works you know what you might want to do is manually set your uh speed and duplex um i've i've found that the two and a half gig in uh in that office is a little bit sketchy and if i depending on your chipset if you set it to gigabit then it'll just work every time um so okay i'm answering my own question i do know some of why it takes longer um if for example there's some packet loss then it will it will take a while to figure out okay what is the appropriate link speed for this connection

but there are a lot of things in the tech world that are operating at millions of cycles per second that seemingly should be instantaneous, but take a very, very long time. Sometimes even things that are happening locally. So it might just be like extreme low priority? Yeah, I guess that's fair. Even if the CPU is running way faster, it might not be allowed to use any more

than it used to use in the past. But really though, like if I could just have it happen instantly i mean that would be that would be great yeah but then if they if they did that every time you plug in a cable in your computer just like then they're gonna get a bunch of complaints about i'm sorry but i'm not convinced it would yeah that's probably i'm not convinced like even plugging in like it plugging in like a usb drive why is that not instantaneous i feel like it is for me it's not instantaneous it's pretty fast it's reasonable it's pretty fast i'm not convinced it's any faster than it was 10 years ago though yeah our computers are a lot faster than they were 10 years ago it's it's kind of like how you you'll play an old game and the loading times still suck.

You're like, what was the bottleneck here? Because my CPU is four times faster. My storage is 40 times faster. It could be such a huge range of things. It could be timeouts. It could be the amount of things of things it could be it could be timeouts it could be the amount of things that old games based off of your system clock um it could be it could be a yeah that one triggers me so hard i again again again i do know some of the reasons for this it just bothers me probably more than it should there could be things where like it needs to do a thing

and then make sure that that thing is functioning for a set amount of time that's what i mean by yep time out so like the timeouts might even be uh well intentioned but yeah um anyway in response to troy i would take the three wired ones so first i would do the 2.4 gigahertz thing then i would take the three wired ones and i would go into your sonos app and manually disable wireless on them so that you know for sure that they are actually using the wire and then that will that will hopefully mean you will have fewer devices fighting for airtime anyway are you just hoping he watches as part of the show i guess i mean i you're like tweeting it adam i'll tweet it adam there you go

are you doing that now well what is that not acceptable to you sure yeah linus still hasn't realized troy already solved the problem in the next tweet oh really oh all right well let's see what the solution was um i was unaware of sonos net so on a hunch i pulled the power on the three wireless units and power cycled all the others they're running perfectly now okay so i don't know exactly oh wait the plan now is to join the three remaining units directly to wi-fi and cancel out sonos net altogether so much for the wired connections always being the most reliable path interesting all right very cool good job troy cool anyway i would have been curious to know if the other thing would have worked i actually do not have issues with my wired sonos devices though other than when it turns out they

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removed the image generation feature from its gemini chatbot following a widely reported problem where it would refuse to generate images of white people or latinos and would insert the keyword diverse into unrelated prompts in at least one case this resulted in generating images of a group of multi-racial 1943 german soldiers as we just showed you according to google this was caused by a miscalibrated mechanism meant to counteract other another well-known issue with early image generation models namely that they would overweigh the most common stereotypical images in their databases leading to a generator that would only produce men when asked for a scientist or would produce a white doctor even when explicitly asked for a black doctor google has apologized for the overcorrection google

likewise appears to have a moderation system based on spelling brilliant meaning that it is easily bypassed by intentional mistyping of a forbidden word discussion question is there a correct amount of stereotyping that an ai should use shouldn't google be able to find a less dumb way of fixing these issues i think the issue specifically um if you want to ask me is not that it uh if it was like more likely to do a certain thing but would do a range of things i think that's fine um yeah except that a lot of these prompts because generating more than one image is uh very expensive a lot of these prompts that i've used in the past only spit out one at a time anyway i believe gemini tends to do four sure but okay if we're talking about gemini specifically then i see i

see your solution being okay you could have three that just use the images that it's trained on and then one that's kind of a like shot in the dark uh whereas for any of the ones that only spit out one image if it gave me i mean well really especially top right and bottom left if it gave me either of those i mean this maybe also well maybe he's the soldier i don't know i mean she's wearing the uniform right yep i mean well this this this is just this is just a lot to unpack in general. It's also like an American-ish looking soldier. Yeah. That's like down.

She seems to be helping. Yeah. So. Her storage pack that's on her back hip, I think is upside down. I like her hair. Which is kind of sick. It's just not here. But then it is.

It's here. Yeah. And it's here. Yeah. But not here but then it is here yeah and it's here yeah but not here yeah um yeah it's tough um but i think i think i think forcing terms ends up being a problem because it overcorrects as we have just seen but on the other hand you can't just generate men when you search for doctor totally but if you search specifically for um yeah yeah so like the the unaltered one is also too far though because again um internal hair routing ducting in the uniform they would they would they would over she pulled a

mulan because women weren't allowed to serve in germany then anyway yeah yeah perfect um they would overweigh the most common stereotypical images in the databases leading to a generator that would produce men uh when asked for science or this is the key point in my opinion would produce a white doctor even when explicitly asked for a black doctor. So the original way it was going was also wrong. Yes. Cause you're not even getting specifically what you asked for out of it. So they needed to correct off of that because the original version is just bad.

Um, but this is just too far. Um, I think, I think, uh, if you weren't already thinking this i think this is quite a slap in the face for the observation that this this is a very in your face obvious version of this but all of these systems are

going to be tuned to something whatever version of this that you're using is going to be tuning it to serve you certain types of things and you need to understand that your worldview or your exposure or whatever else is going to be and just wait painted until they're tuning it specifically for you yeah so they'll they'll they'll creep your facebook and be like oh well you are you're super i'm gonna pick a no i'm not gonna pick anything controversial i will pick uh mops you were really into mops you are you are pro you are pro the mops that were already there or you are pro the brooms that came later you know whatever whatever it is and so when you search for uh you know a patriotic soldier it's going to show you mop soldiers or whatever else whereas if you you know if you are more on the side of the brooms then it's going to show you broom soldiers you know right so if i searched

soldier for example maybe it would give me a canadian soldier exactly because it has the context that i'm maybe in canada or maybe it knows that i'm a canadian citizen or something like that and remember with how much they know about you it might give you a canadian so it might give you a canadian sniper yeah because you'd be more into marksmanship than than necessarily you know uh being a tank tank tank uh yeah operator gunner but whatever there's a range of roles in there but sure yeah uh but but part of a member of a tank crew like i i that would be my guess it might be and and it it depends on what the uh what's driving a tanky very nice tan um it depends on on what's driving the value for this thing so

a conversation that we were talking about earlier where you're the product it's like okay so what are you serving me are there product placements is it going to give you a canadian soldier using a particular rifle with a particular scope on it yeah is it going to try to push me into you know uh recruitment for the military somehow um is it is it is it only going to show soldiers that like look very you know successful and clean cut is it going to show soldiers that look like you maybe so you can see yourself in that more easily like there's there's lots of ways that these things can be tuned and we are so close to dystopia that like we're basically here yeah yeah so like this is this is something that uh just just because this one was super obvious if this goes away the the root problem

is very much still here just because it it might not be spitting out images of um and they can hide it they can hide that root problem by doing what we're talking about yeah by tuning it to output something that you expect and these inputs are things that you will give them you are going to give them willingly helping them build their profile for you because it will make the tools work better and we like these tools and they're convenient so it'll spit out nine images for you and it'll say which one do you think was the best one and you'll be like the aryan one and it'll be like all right good to know and you'll get more of that you need to start self-analyzing with some of the results you start

getting you just type in soldier and it just gives you a 1943 german soldier and you're like oh who's wearing a jersey that says lafreniere on the back oh no what's happening sounds like google me yeah uh absolutely exactly but i think don't forget about meta even more and amazon more easy for them to be nefarious and the u.s army and other armies yeah remember the u.s army was on twitch that was a horrible thing yeah i mean uh are they not anymore i was just gonna check yeah wouldn't surprise me. US Army Esports.

Four years ago. Maybe they're not. Schedule. Here we go. Oh, no. Last stream two years ago. Okay, so this particular thing is no longer a thing, but don't kid yourself. I'm sure they're around somehow.

It's definitely a thing but don't kid yourself um sure they're around somehow it's definitely a thing i had no idea how into merchandising the u.s army was yeah we have a video coming shortly i actually reviewed the edit for it's a great video i just reviewed the edit before when show today um on these like kind of uh wannabe razorals. We actually showed them on the show a couple weeks ago, I think. And one of the other things that this company that makes these rip-off razor peripherals does is they make U.S. Army-branded stuff. And as part of that rabbit hole,

we went looking for all the things with U.S. Army co-branding on them. It's like, what? looking for all the things with the u.s army co-branding on them what yeah there's anything and everything with united states army co-branding is absolutely wild oh there's tons of stuff like they should pay you to wear it you know because you served or something not not you pay them to to i mean i don't know and maybe maybe i'm missing something here but good gravy i wonder like are you okay i don't know like you have acid reflux i'm trying to hold it together are you do you need to do you don't even cheap look at that yeah oh man 40 t-shirt it's amazing how often we take flack for the pricing on our store oh my god sorry guys

our shirts are 20 like we i don't know anyway it doesn't matter the point is more expensive 44 dollars oh hold on back to your laptop is that because there's print on the back is there no yeah i don't print on the back does cost more and that's a pretty reasonable upcharge for double-sided printing it's it adds a complete extra step with an additional screen. Okay, they've got a $19. Well, what's a PT shirt? Personal training. Oh, okay, okay.

There's some reasonably priced stuff here. I have no idea what the quality of any of this is. What is armygearus.com, though? Is this official? Some of their discounts get pretty fat. I don't think this is actually i have no idea no this isn't this isn't the army luke i don't know dude man you're are you are you like uh it's army co-branded i think right i don't i don't know that looks pretty army

co-branded to me i have no idea this under armor duty honor country t duty duty honor country did they just take every keyword i think that's one of their like their tagline things like on their on their coins and stuff got it so i think there would usually be like a symbol between each word or something people are saying that is the logo so okay yeah that that is definitely the u.s army logo that's why i was saying physical training oh there you go. Not personal training? Sure, whatever. I knew it meant like going to work out. NATO apparently streamed a gaming tournament,

but the Twitch channel's no longer there for some reason. Wild. Anywho, why don't we jump into, we've got a few merch messages. Dan, want to hit us? Yeah, sure thing. Let's see here. Maybe we should fetch Luca Bucket at some point.

I did offer him earlier. I'll be fine. Okay. Yeah, I got two here for you. Hi, DLL. The American Red Cross released a VR training app for lifeguards, but it needs the Quest 2 or 3. Linus, do you think this would have helped you become a better lifeguard, and can it help others i think it could have helped with repetitive training exercises like going through the motions literally of you know working on cpr compressions or um or to to practice like if they have uh if they have like a simulated pool that you can stand next to and try to spot distressed swimmers and stuff like that try to try to get your like make it make it make it a game try to get your time down yeah like how fast you you recognize a problem

like i could see i could see stuff like that being kind of useful but when it comes to the nuts and bolts of can you actually haul someone's you know soggy butt out of a pool no you need real life you need to you need to actually train so if i was doing a training program and i had homework for the weekend where i had to get my response time down to you know three seconds to possibly or whatever yeah i sure i could see being kind of useful for that i also think if you're if you're doing stuff like if you're if you're training um once you've gotten them out of the water aid i don't know what different forms of that that would come up in but if it's like training that you do with a dummy yep if you could still do that training with a dummy but

while vr strapped in so it's like a little reality i think it might help desensitize in situations where it might be rough yeah that's kind of interesting um another thing i could see it be really being really useful for with mixed reality is things like um you know landmarking or um like okay one of the things that you need to do if you're going to do a mouth-to-mouth resuscitation like uh breathing assistance is is you have to tilt the head back and so if it would tell you like hey you didn't tilt back far enough because it's actually monitoring it could show you like uh like a you know like a green shade for how far back the head the head needs to go in order to open up the airway or something like that sure i could see it being very useful i

haven't used their software though i have no idea if it does any of what i just said it could just be stupid i'm not sure but yeah absolutely i mean, commercial applications for VR are heavily, heavily training focused. One of the things that, oh, bananas, who was it? Yeah, one of the things Intel showed back when I checked out their fab a while back was maintenance on the machines.

It's Microsoft HoloLens driven yeah so it'll just show you like you could be a complete nobody off the street and you could perform maintenance on one of these multi-million dollar machines just by putting on a hololens and it'll be like okay go over there and get that tool kit and then open that toolkit, uh, grab this and you pick it up. It's like, Nope, not that one. Like,

like you really, any monkey with training could like, yeah. HoloLens is totally a thing. It's just not a thing in the consumer space. Um, military has applications for it as well. Yep.

All right, Dan, hit us. Sure thing. Hi DLOll i work in live theater lighting tungsten bulbs are being banned by the government the alternative is leds that cost ten thousand dollars and up to achieve a similar quality light will small theater survive this yes um but not be not not with products that are available today necessarily the advancements in led lighting over the last 10 years have been a thing to behold i had this conversation with someone on set a little while ago and i kind of went okay let's look at all the

major tech categories cpu gpu networking and there's some solid arguments to be made for a lot of those a lot of those categories in terms of you know what's advanced the most over the last 10 years and i was like and then i'm gonna i'm gonna tell me what you think is advanced the most and then i'm gonna surprise you with my answer and see if we can kind of, we play these kinds of games when we're in between takes and stuff like that. And they, they gave their answers and I was like, lighting. And they're like, huh? Because there are certainly ways that, you know, even a stupid, you know, Intel 14 nanometer plus, plus, plus refresh has more advanced technology in it than, you know, one generation of lighting and to the next three generations of lighting, potentially. terms of what has made an impact on our business and in terms of the the change in quality and

cost in that time i don't know if anything touches led lighting and like veritasium had that video that went viral recently on the challenges of developing the blue led and how just leds were up against this wall forever and then development happened like wildly fast and that wild fast development is very much still happening like in the last 10 years we've gone from flora we've gone from fluorescence being dominant to leds being not just dominant but now you can change the color temperatures on them on the fly because these controllers have come down in cost by so much. You can have arrays of LEDs at different color temperatures and they can do mixing or they can switch between one or the other or both. The brightness of them, the efficiency of them, everything is getting absolutely incredible.

And at the same time, costs are plummeting. The first lights we ever bought were fluorescents because that was the only thing that had a CRI or basically like an accurate enough color to use for filming. And then over the next few years led lights showed up but they were prohibitively expensive over the following three to five years leds got cheap like why would we buy anything else cheap nothing else makes any sense cheap and i just don't really see it slowing down um so in a bit and i'm not going to tell you exactly when but in a bit no i absolutely foresee those traditional lights being replaceable with leds and i don't know where you are and when exactly these bands are going into effect there

have certainly been some short-sighted bans that have destroyed entire industries and have made absolutely no sense i mean you could make a strong argument against the plastic bag ban that went into effect in vancouver recently where it's like okay but is anybody talking about the energy cost of paper bags is anybody talking about the reusability of those plastic bags compared to the paper ones like i get it i get a ton of uses out of my plastic bags yeah and not everybody does lots of people just throw them away but like there's issues like that with the straws as well yeah switch to paper straws but there's a lot of like different chemicals and things in the paper straws it's not just like paper in a roll that isn't even just paper in a roll like that's bleached and

everything like and then you're putting that in liquid and it's soaking into the liquid and then you're drinking that and it's like oh this is actually glass straws are the way to go pasta just use pasta i like pasta or twizzlers i'm not gonna i'm gonna arc twizzler call back to earlier in the show. Um, where, where, where was I going with this? I forget what the question even was. Dan, Dan's started tungsten bulbs are now banned. LEDs help expensive.

Yeah. I'm not saying that there's any guarantee that you guys will, will be able to get there in time. And honestly, even if the new lights are cheap i i know that live productions can be very budget constrained you might just not have you might just not have the budget to replace them at all with anything and you certainly can't sell something that's banned so you can't even recoup any of your old costs is this is this like a you have to replace it now thing or is it when your current existing thing dies, you must get a new one?

It's probably a right-now thing, and I was looking at something recently that was kind of like this, that was basically like, here's a ban that's happening now, and everyone was like, yo, this is completely untenable for us. You're basically just killing our industry i can't remember which one it is for the life of me but i hope not i personally love live theater it's not for everyone um but you if you ask if you asked me hey me too you can game for three hours or you can watch a movie for three hours or you can do just about any kind

of passive form of entertainment for three hours or you can go to a live theater show for three hours i will take the live theater show every single time i just i i love it it's raw it's real it's fun it's intimate um you know i'm very human i i have a really hard time enjoying a show that's in a room with tens of thousands of people. It's just, it's not really my vibe. Whereas a few hundred, yeah, I can, I can get into that. Yep. Like you can, you can find that person who's laughing really loud at every, at every joke, which I don't know, it doesn't bother me like it would in a movie theater. You know, like, I don't know. It's just, it it would in a movie theater you know like i don't know it's just it's just it's it's human yeah it's a really good way of putting it there's a lot of

stuff like that too like if um you know if like if nasa puts a thing on the moon it's like no is there a person in it no most people aren't gonna care does it necessarily make that much of a difference like we might we might even be getting the same amount of accomplishment but if there isn't a human involved a lot of people are just like meh it's interesting that that aspect the whole like viewership on space launches and space activities that involve people versus ones that don't involve people and how uh actually well studied those metrics are has been something that's been very interesting for me when looking at all these new ai tools and stuff oh um people generally care a lot more when other people are involved sure i mean it's the only reason that you know the olympics gets to be a thing

is they they get you they get you focused in on the stories yeah of the people nobody nobody actually cares about javelin other than the handful of people who care about javelin um for three for 3.96 years and then the olympics rolls around and they and they and they tell all these stories and the stories are interesting because we've been checked out of them for over three years yeah um but yeah no it's the it's the human element that matters for any of this and it's just you're closer to it i guess is what i'm trying to say um you know even like even a live sporting event i I find it's huge. And I've been told a lot of times

that I should go and watch lower-level sporting events. And I probably would enjoy them more, but I've just been kind of busy ever since. Following a sports team is actually kind of a lot of work. Especially if you're like me and you kind of tend to get into things like I'm going to want to know what's going on with the other teams

that they compete against and all the players and the ones who are getting called up and the ones who are getting sent down and the coaches the whole thing yeah anyway what are we supposed to be doing Dan ah more topics what do we supposed to be doing dan ah more topics more topics what

do you want to talk about luke i don't know man oh how about this uh do i do i get do i get and i was right yet um the playstation portal has been um hacked to play psp games it's called ppsspp and will allow the console to locally run emulated games for the playstation portable which is what many gamers hoped that the portal might be able to do when it was first announced one of the devs behind the hack google security researcher andy newin known as the flow has stated that the hack is not yet ready for release, but he demonstrated shots of GTA 3 running on a PS Portal. It can also apparently run Tekken 6 and Minecraft. This is one of the things that I feel like maybe we didn't emphasize enough in our video,

but we definitely mentioned when talking about the value of the PlayStation Portal. The fact that by the time, because remember, we did our video a bit later, and by the time we did it people were already starting to poke and prod at it with at least a little bit of success and we were like uh this thing might be uh you know something might happen and obviously you know like we're not going to be the ones to put the work into it but it's the kind of device that is just screaming for someone to figure out how to work around sony's walled garden and i don't think i've seen an android device that has not

ultimately been pwned yeah that one One that people care about. Yes. And speaking of Sony devices and being pwned, PSVR 2 is getting self-pwned. Sony has announced that they will be adding PC support to the PSVR 2, hopefully sometime this year. The headset had weaker than expected initial sales when it came out last year,

only selling around, man, this is wild. even you know oh this sucked uh selling around 270 000 270 100 200 270 000 units there you go of the 2 million that sony manufactured for its launch window okay so that doesn't sound like a sales shortfall. That sounds like a manufacturing overestimation. But anyway, as of now, only about a million units total have been sold. A discussion question. Would you switch over to the PSVR 2

if it could play games on Steam? It's a pretty good headset. And it's a pretty good price. it's a pretty good headset and it's a pretty good price i mean i wouldn't but i do think if you were like getting into vr it's a heck of a yeah its price is like very well positioned how much is it again it's like 200 bucks isn't it yes oh ppsspp is apparently uh as apparently the name of a good psp emulator not the name of the hack so correction thank you for playing chat 750 bucks is that canadian yeah yeah well that's canadian dollars dude it's oled oh yeah that's pretty nice yeah all right okay all right i'm only really remembering like i i've never tried this one i've only tried the

first one no it's really good it's uh it's yeah it's 550 us okay um and that includes controllers like good controllers oh nice yeah Yeah. No, it's reasonably compelling. Oh, wow, yeah, really high res, too. Wow. All right. This is interesting. The extremely popular new game, Helldivers 2, has been plagued with server issues since launch,

which Arrowhead CEO Johan has acknowledged is largely due to insufficiently optimized backend code and the time needed to onboard additional engineers to their backend team, currently consisting of four developers. He has recommended that gamers, especially cash-strapped gamers, hold off on buying it until the issues are addressed.

That is unheard of. Yeah. To be fair, if had a a sales goal they're i'm genuinely estimating probably like 50 to 100 times beyond what that sales goal was at this point right um because they are just smashing it right now um so they definitely don't need it and it might actually be like the, the good press from saying this is, is likely just worth it. Exacerbating the problem. Many players have been squatting AFK on servers in order to avoid wait times, which Arrowhead

studios will apparently be addressing in an upcoming patch. Yeah, guys, when there's an issue with something doing things that make the issue worse for everyone is bad my favorite one is like when the login server goes down and then people just sit there yeah login login login when the show goes down and people start spamming in the chat so that when i try to type an update no one sees it yeah yeah people are the problem yeah is that is that patch out already sorry uh yeah the 15 minute a fk patch is out and they also pretty much doubled server capacity yesterday they've been working non-stop it's amazing i think it's like a team of four people uh the back end team is four people yeah that's right the game is currently pc ps5 only but a popular petition is currently circulating

to port the game to xbox which I'm sure they will do at some point when they are not busy. I think it's like a PlayStation published game, so maybe not. Discussion question. Does a company have a certain level of responsibility to encourage their customers to make good financial decisions?

Technically, that's the most optimistic sounding thing I've ever read. Yeah, technically, no, not even slightly. Appreciate you. um technically that's the most optimistic sounding thing i've ever read yeah technically no not even slightly appreciate you uh probably jessica who wrote that i think riley's more jaded yeah yeah i think it's really cool when they do but yeah uh but i think expecting it at this point is simply not realistic yeah it saddens me to say that but it's the truth yeah that was like um the the pal world lead developer or something so yeah i don't know what it was um but people pointed out like oh there's like a lot less players playing pal world now and he's like that's cool

there was content and they probably like played it and then hopefully we'll release more content and they'll come back that's fine it's like sweet yeah that makes sense hey you know who else did the right thing recently the xbox team yeah xbox is adding the ability to recalibrate their own thumbsticks on series x and s and xbox one controllers this will allow players to fix their own calibration issues without having to get a repair or contact support it will also allow players to independently set up replacement thumbsticks very cool in other news earlier this week xbox announced that four previously microsoft exclusive games sea of thieves hi-fi rush grounded and pentament would all be coming to ps5 and the

latter two would be coming to switch is platform exclusivity just like dead i think to a certain degree is it buried maybe like okay we have a video coming that's a, console tier list video. So we go through and we rank from, from S to F, um, all of the major consoles from all the major players. And we don't get into handheld. It's just like your, your living room consoles.

So we just like crushes. Um, I believe we ended up being a tier. So because pause wait because one of our criteria was how how how well the game library holds up today we factored in some historical significance so like the atari 2600 ends up with like a b or something just because of how many groundbreaking things happened on that console okay um but but one of our major considerations was how do the games for that platform hold up and this was something that david and i talked about he's the writer it, and you know how passionate he is about games. Yeah. And he's super into the hardware side as well,

but he's a very, very passionate gamer. This seems like a video that he would crush. Oh, yeah, he killed it. He did a great job. Yeah. But anyway, one of the things that started to happen as we made our way into PS5,

Xbox Series, is it became really difficult to evaluate a console that way. Blurry, yeah. Because what is an Xbox Series game? We discuss how one of the struggles for the Xbox Series is that unlike the 360, they haven't really had a box mover title not really not to the degree that sony has um whether you're talking about spider-man or um okay final fantasy 7

remastered or whatever the case may be what do you mean halo okay so a no and b it's not exclusive you can't shift boxes with software that runs on other boxes yeah and and microsoft has really struggled uh not only is the xbox series underselling the ps5 by like one to two or something like that according to the most recent numbers we were able to find surprise it's honestly like that low most of them are series s they're the basic one they're not even selling their premium console not really it's it's a non-factor in the current generation race and so you know we're looking at this thing and i'm like okay so microsoft clearly clearly saw the path here as to to be a gaming services company so how do we even evaluate their performance in a race they're not even really running yeah that's interesting and even the playstation 5 one of the challenges that we had evaluating

its library was that over the first couple of years, because the PS4 had such an enormous install base and it was reasonably powerful still, over the first couple of years, we saw so many games with simultaneous releases on both of those platforms that it really was more akin to a PC release that runs okay on your older PC or runs great on your newer PC.

So how do you evaluate the game library of the ps5 here we are what three three years in i think three years since launch yeah when most of the games aren't ps5 games they're playstation games yeah i i think too like it's it's i think the main blurring that's going to happen like even with this announcement uh some of them are going to ps5 but not oh wait no they all are going to PS5, but not... Oh, wait, no, they all are going to PS5. See, that's a little bit weird to me. More games coming to PC is not that weird to me.

And I suspect PlayStation games, personally, I don't think we're going to see a ton of them coming to Xbox. Just bad blood or what? Well, no, I think the reason why Xbox is doing this is so that they look less like a monopoly. Because they're getting a lot of issues lately with companies going after them. And one of the discussions around that has been that you're using this to try to crush PlayStation. So they're going,

look, we're giving our games over to PlayStation. Yeah. For now. Our old games. Yeah. People don't care about it anymore. The issue is,

is that the way that monopolies squeeze out the competition is not by doing it immediately. I was having an interesting conversation with someone about Uber's trajectory or like Uber's path to profitability. They're profitable now for apparently the first time. And I had to take an Uber somewhere and it was like $30 and it was barely anywhere. So it was as expensive or more expensive than what i would have paid for a cab way back in the day and like uber eats makes no sense anymore at the rates that you pay for it it's like gee should i pay double the price for a cold meal the already ridiculous price yeah like you don't eat out much no but have you gone at all lately

it's been a while okay um by the way dan why didn't you join us for dinner after the shoot oh i didn't um i didn't even think to did anybody text you um i think probably when i was already home okay well okay well first i invited you and then i guess you didn't hear me i didn't realize that you were going to be breaking immediately oh yeah i thought that you were probably going to wait an hour or two okay well we did a crew dinner uh on the uh the giant display thing yeah and i was like yeah we'll do a crew dinner which means you didn't invite me to the giant display thing at order and i'm not crew anymore no no you're not crew anymore no i explicitly invited you to join the crew dinner which which is uh when we like when we do an off-site shoot we'll often cover the meal just because people are usually

inconvenienced in some way whether it's dan and i understand i had technically already taken i am talking to the viewers we're just not included not to you this is what it's like to looking at the camera oh no the point is sorry luke sorry the point is did you did you read this at all the receipt no oh good okay so where would Okay. So where would you rank Mexican on like... Oh, good. No, no, no, no, no. Yes, it's delicious.

Oh, pricing. Yeah, just hold on a second. Yeah, is this like a generally premiumly priced cuisine or more of like an affordable everyday cuisine? I think it's usually more affordable. Okay. I love it though. And um and you know generally speaking your hole in the wall versus your like you know chain or you know upscale generally here generally more here generally more here okay so we went to a mexican hole in the wall Delicious, by the way. Delicious, by the way. We got two tacos.

Nice. A taco platter. Nice. They did add a guacamole. That's expensive, but nice. Yeah. Gringo SP Lund, whatever that is. A couple burritos, a Dorito, another burrito, and an enchiladas plate so we fed um how many were

we dan we were seven i guess without you something like that i feel like you just got taxed for being a white dude we got the gringo thing we got five mexican gringa gringa i don't know what that means look do i speak do i speak spanish okay um gringo is google says gringo is a person especially an american who is not hispanic or latino nice okay just a second so five five mexican cokes okay wow we fed seven people like hole-in-the-wall mexican food how much do you think the bill was seven people this is after tax or before tax let's go uh let's go after tax and tip after tax and tip yeah oh i'm sorry

remember tipping's like out of control seven people 160 bucks dude you're not even close. It's way higher. Whoa. I was close to the subtotal. Yeah, you're close to the subtotal. Can I see? You were under the pre-tax pre-tip total. Yeah, this is more expensive per plate than I expected. Yeah.

For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I was expecting like after tax per plate, it was going to be like 20 bucks and it's before tax per plate 20 bucks. And that's no tip. Yep. And like, you know, it's gonna be like 20 bucks and it's before tax per plate 20 bucks and that's no tip yep and like you know it's one of those things where on principle yeah the way that it is right now is not how i think things should work people should be paid a reasonable amount of money and

then the price on the menu should be what the food costs and if there's exceptional service then you can leave a small tip that's how it's like supposed to work yeah and that should be like rare but here's the thing that's not how it works not at all and as someone who can afford the you know minimum eight you know it'll be like 18 2025 on the three options or whatever as someone who can afford to tip like that and as someone who knows that that optimistic way that i wish it worked is not reality and that people actually do just depend on these tips for survival um i do tip i'll just i'll just i'll press the stupid button or whatever but like that's wild yeah oh it's yeah it's ridiculous i i i massively prefer so i'll even take it a little bit further i wish tipping wasn't a thing at all i wish it was just priced in and yeah maybe if it's over and above you just don't round or whatever and give them the remaining

um but i also wish um like in in stores and stuff tax was included in the listed price like that's how they do it in europe the fact that there are countries that have figured both of these things out and we're over here just like well i don't know guess yeah like what no anyway i uh yeah i i i hate it but it's one of those things where you know you could say okay well linus having luke guess after tip is not reasonable because that wasn't actually the price but what i was trying to say was it effectively is here no because i know that that kitchen staff and that server are not being paid enough any tips at all they're going to be like homeless they will not be able to live yeah so so it's not really optional is it it's very expensive to live

in bc and if you yeah i don't know arnie asked what about on takeout orders um if it's a place that i go regularly um i will tip well and if it's a place that i don't go regularly then i'll do like 10 because the reality of it is that someone packed it and i also don't know where the tip is going it often gets shared around but um what i do know is that even though theoretically there's um you know lower overhead for takeout orders in some ways it can be a lot higher now especially with all the expensive um like more expensive like paper bags cost way more than plastic bags and they're not allowed to use plastic bags anymore and stuff like that if you get a drink they're going to try to like tape over the thing so and

they're they're taping close the bags often or stapling it closed so even the even the restaurant owners themselves even if they're just pocketing it there's a lot of overhead involved in in handling takeout orders uh so i'll just i'll i, I'll leave a small tip anyway, because I, I can't think of any chains that I eat at, um, that I do take out from. So I, yeah, them,

I don't know if I would bother, but even then, like a lot of them are franchises and it's, it's relatively small business owners that are running the restaurants, even if it's, you know, a multi-billion dollar multinational that owns the branding or whatever else. Yeah.

MDA 187 asks, if plastic bags are illegal in Canada, how do you get your milk? Okay. A couple of things. Oh, that's hilarious. Number one,

not those ones, the like disposable plastic bags for groceries and, and takeout and stuff like that. Why, why aren't the milk bags? Yeah. Ironically, we can still buy plastic garbage bags.

So I can't use my shopping bag to line my garbage can, but I can buy a completely separate bag to put in there. Brilliant. Why is that allowed? Brilliant. It's pointless. And then also, the whole milk bag thing was as big a surprise to me as it was to you.

It wasn't until I did a bc thing yeah it wasn't until i did my um my my quebec exchange that i first encountered bagged milk apparently it's a thing is this in more of canada than i've ever known um and you can find it in bc it's just very rare but it is pretty much not a thing here it's yeah it's gallon jugs just like our neighbors down south or paper cartons the because bc's kind of tucked behind the rockies we're we're honestly like much more americanized than a lot of the rest of canada i think um we're much more west coast eyes yeah i would i would say like hyper similar to washington seattle area i would say that if if if i if i had to if i had to say like what our country would be it would probably be

yeah like bc yukon bc washington oregon yeah would be like like wet wet coast to stan yeah yeah um and then and then everyone else can kind of do whatever it is that they're doing um yeah those further south and further east of there like quite related like i i remember like every time i run into oregoners or washingtoners i don't even know what you guys call yourselves like oh these are my people it's just it's just obvious like the accent is the same even though technically we're like we're canadian and they're american or something like the accent is the same even though technically we're like we're canadian and they're american or something like the accent's the same yeah the the the alignment on a lot of stuff is the same it's it's just it's kind of funny um apparently some parts of the states

also have bagged milk oh yeah oregonian is that is that Sorry, I'm probably saying this wrong, but yeah, Pacific Northwest. Let's go. Researchers have lost a window into China, which is an interesting perspective on this that I would not have considered. Academics, especially researchers focused on China, have criticized Google's decision to quietly remove cached pages from its search results. The feature allowed users to view prior versions of web pages, which made it invaluable in tracking information on the Chinese internet, which is, of course, heavily censored,

with important information often being retroactively scrubbed by the government. According to Danny Sullivan, Google's search liaison, the feature was originally intended to help people access pages back when the internet was far less reliable that were just down and not working, which is why it has now been discontinued because it's no longer really needed. And our discussion question here is,

should we preserve features even when their intended purpose is no longer relevant? For Google's part, I don't see why they would have any interest in this new purpose for that feature so i can understand why they're discontinuing it like they're essentially like a much much shorter term version of the way back machine right um and i can see why we don't want them to do that but i can also see how we have no real way of arguing that they should keep the feature because it doesn't benefit their business model in any meaningful way. Yeah.

It's unfortunate when we lose things like that, but like it's a business. It's not a government. Luke, I have something to show you remember we talked about i've seen this oh got him well that sucks anyway this is really funny i was going to try and convince luke however briefly that this was the old will smith video and then the new one was sora um because he had asked about what if Will Smith Spaghet I did actually call it right away for someone trying to rehabilitate their

public image this was a good play yes yep anyway I enjoyed he slapped Chris Rock right yeah I think they're like doing a movie together or something. Really?

I think so. Oh, man. Did we just get 4D chest? Maybe. Breast through time. 4D chest. Doesn't matter. I'm going to injure the poor man

oh boy anywho um uh so i don't know i'm not finding anything on this so maybe i just made it up or maybe it was a very old video from before the slap. But yeah, it's interesting because you know what I was talking about when we announced Sora? Sorry. Not when we announced Sora. When we talked about Sora on the show last week, I talked about how it was weird how certain parts of the frame would feel like they were in rewind. And other parts were going forward. And it didn't really have a good sense of time and how things would actually like progress forward um one of the editing tricks that they used in the will smith video uh because it's not ai generated but there are editing tricks is they used like

rewind and forward mixing and stuff like that to make it look really weird um i think if the ai video stuff fixes that it'll be immediately significantly more believable. We've got a bit of an update for you guys. We've had some members of our community getting notifications from various monitoring services informing them that they've been affected by a data leak from the LTT forum. This appears to be a bunch of very old leaked data,

which has been re-released onto the internet due to a massive leak from leaklookup.com a data breach indexer which was uncovered last month uh there does not appear to be any new breach of the ltt forum and if there was you would be informed as soon as humanly possible yeah so just hopefully that um helps put your mind at ease speaking of your mind being reasonably possible yes well humanly yeah we might take a sec though to like verify impacts that's human okay sounds good are vending machines spying on students yes can you let me do my job nope the university of Waterloo in Canada has announced that it will be removing several M&M branded vending machines because the green M&M is too sexy and it's a distraction for the students.

Sorry. They'll be removing them following the revelation that the machines have the ability to collect facial recognition data this was discovered when one waterloo student posted a picture of a strange error message on one of the machines in venda.vending.facialrecognition.app.exe one student publication math news tracked down the manufacturer's sales brochures, which say that these smart vending machines can collect, this is amazing, estimated ages and genders of every client and send that data to various parties,

including Mars, the owners of M&Ms. Invenda claims that their machines are wholly compliant with the EU's stringent general data protection regulation, but that would only be possible if the machine requested explicit permission every time it stored a user's data. Yeah. I was going to say,

I have a big doubt on that one. A dairy of ending services who were responsible for the machines on campus say that the technology acts as a motion sensor that detects faces and activates the purchasing interface, but does not collect user data. Insane idea here, but just use a motion sensor. Are you a idiot? Crazy idea. I know i am a little out of it right now luke i you know i'm just i'm trying all right i'm just i'm just

gonna bring dan in as our co-host of the mansion honestly it's fair get the out of here i'll go produce that's the stupidest idea I've ever heard. Slash S, chill. Absolutely wild. The machine's facial recognition technology uses an extremely small, unobtrusive camera, and many students reported being completely unaware of any camera when using the machines. Because why would you be looking for that? Is there a picture of these? Like, can we see it?

Let's have a look. Let's bring up math news oh wow this is this is great this reads exactly like a university student paper i love it um anyway yeah this is actually amazing what does that what does that blog quote say if we do some actual terms of the final standard wikipedia page it's exactly as irreverent as i would expect it to be uh anywho here's the picture so let's play find the camera. I don't know. I think I saw it. Where? Yeah, I see it. Oh, wait.

It can't be that. I think so. Why would they embed it there? Why wouldn't they just embed it in the black thing? I'm actually fairly certain. I'm going to steal the screen capture thing. Yeah, sure. So that's a zoomed in photo of it,

which is why I was pretty sure that was it because I think this blue here is the blue of the M&m that you saw this looks just like a like a broken hole like this doesn't look like it was it looks like it was hacked into it yeah weird yeah kind of odd that's bizarre dude freaking dystopia just start calling it the dystopia show because it's all we ever freaking talk about welcome to the show we talk about spooky um all right disco elysium 2 is dead i'm sorry no yeah let's buy a really good ip and the worst news i've heard all year close it down embrace a group awesome cool it's time for one show after

dark it's going to be a short one this week by the way guys uh luke's not feeling well i'm blaming luke how's the how's the underside of that bus treating you oh you know i mean you kind of feel like you've been hit by it so yeah i might as well put you there yeah yeah because that's how that works um john asks is the ptm 7950 thermal phase change pad safe for a vertical mount um this isn't going to leak from between my aio and my cpu over time and also asks do you have a plush version for my cpu pillow that i bought last year keep up the decent work thanks john i love that yes it is safe for a vertical mount and we will keep up the decent work in fact we have some absolutely awesome videos coming i i wish i could i wish i could just make the wan show better by just playing them for you and watching them together kyle's amd ultimate tech upgrade i'm excited about that

i saw the ecc upload and i'm excited oh you watched id ultimate tech upgrade i'm excited about that i saw the ecc upload and i'm excited oh you watched i haven't watched it i just saw it go up on ecc and i was like it's like 30 minutes long and blew by i had no idea the time had passed that's what it's so good good uh the all china pc really good uh tanner did an outstanding job because rather than just buying weird chinese stuff and reacting to it he includes a whole bunch of context who the f**k are these companies yeah yeah like who are their parent companies how long have they been around how long do they say they've been around versus how long have they actually been around like it's it's pretty neat and in some ways a little scary yeah yeah it's so that's that's a really good one that i just reviewed man what else i don't know there's a ton of really good

stuff coming over the next little bit i'm very excited um dan hit me LLD, picking up the ABCs of gaming for my soon-to-be-born son. Do you see AI and AR headsets being a useful tool to help kids learn? I think we go through this every single time there's a new technological innovation. First, it was computers in the classroom. Are these a good tool for teaching kids? Well, yes, but also no. 3D printers. Then we went through it with tablets 3d printers then we went through

it with uh you know tablets yeah then we went through it with cell phones then we go through it with everything yes but also no is is the answer um everything in moderation right not everything but yeah i mean don't don't moderate in moderation yeah that's a good one it's a good quote you need to excessively moderate yourself now now we're getting dystopian again i don't know i think i think the way to to fight off the dystopia is to be constantly at war this is this is my whole new thing i'm into that i think i've talked about this before 40k that's how it happened everybody was really moderate i don't mean war is in like shooting people i mean war is in like uh understanding that so many things around you are

obsessively intentionally manipulative float plane chats just starting to list things that are not okay in moderation only f**k your neighbor's wife in moderation no not anything in moderation i mean hey maybe maybe there's an agreement there yeah yeah don't abuse that relationship seems very healthy it's always good to be positive about that sort of stuff okay yeah maybe maybe that's all copacetic only cannibalism in moderation uh yeah don't take more than your fair share oh man anyway um well i think that's very reasonable cool yeah what's next uh geez i don't know uh currently watching live surrounded by a 40 foot video wall at time square nice linus

what's your limit on display sizes if tcl makes a 200 inch tv will you get one i won't have a big enough room for one the limit on display sizes is dictated by your space i think um the the smallest samsung wall last time around when i was like when i was looking into it and i was like oh i kind of want one yeah i think it was 143 inches and the issue for me was that at 16 by nine, that was kind of too big for my space. At a wider aspect ratio, 143 inches would probably be fine because as it turns out, and we learned this when we set up the big display, as it turns out, the wider you go,

the shockingly little difference there is between the one part of that right angle triangle or the bottom of the right angle triangle and the diagonal yeah like our the difference between our diagonal and our bottom was only like three feet or something like that at that width um so i could probably handle like 140 150 inch display if it was a wider aspect ratio but if i had to go 16 by 9 120 to 130 is probably about as big as i can go in that theater room which seats comfortably about seven to nine people um so if you were to have if you had a larger room like i sat in this amazing theater room virtually in the uh in the big screen beyond app that was like it was like set up like you were

a mega baller and you had like a theater room to hold your like orgies in or something like it was enormous and had all this like soft tiered seating everywhere and everything it's very relatable yeah exactly uh anyway sitting in there i was, I would need a 150 to 200 inch display at the front of this for it to be big enough that everyone could enjoy it. And an open relationship. That too. It's very progressive.

That's all Luke spends. Is this show over yet? Luke, can we be done? Luke doesn't spend money on anything but that. That's why you can't buy anything oh boy anyway yeah I I think that for for most reasonable sized rooms weren't there and talking to display manufacturers they seem to be kind of acknowledging that like Hisense seems to really envision itself as competing more

in the premium space rather than competing in the big but cheap space because that's not going to be a space that really exists anymore in a little while everyone's just going to have a big affordable tv yeah so you better get real good real fast now the good news is man though that's good for us that 100 inches are 110 yeah the 110 inch that they had at cs looked amazing let's see what else we got hi ll dean i work at a laser tag facility and a few of us were given the opportunity to remodel our boss's office what would you put in taryn's office and is there an item that you would recommend i get i mean if i was remodeling your boss's office i would definitely get some kind of like shark and suspend it from the ceiling with a freaking

laser beam on its head but maybe that's just me that's actually perfect i love that just like like aquarium style you know with just the like the fishing line and you've just got this shark and it just has a freaking laser beam on its head that's what i want that's what i would want in that office everything else i don't even care but but like aquatic themed paint walls you know get some sponge on there gets a little bit of green in there get some seaweed decals and then get like a freaking laser beam shark and then everything's everything's everything else is gravy could do a mural on the wall with that then it'd be harder to remove as for what we would put in taryn's office we actually have a video coming on that we took some suggestions from uh the community and we will be building him a pc worthy of a ceo oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy uh hey ltd love the show it's the first

time catching it live and i thought i'd support oh my god you spent four hundred dollars you bought one of everything you don't have to do that you could you could watch it again in a bit and he bought two of one thing. Two. Bananas. Bananas. Bananas. Oh, the Gerald Undone collab t-shirt. It's a really cool shirt, actually.

A notebook. The tablet one. That one's a cool one. You open it up and the pages have, it's like writing on a little tablet. It's a little thing. A banana for scale in yellow. A mystery 40-ounce water bottle.

A backpack and a screwdriver. Retro with a silver shaft. Very nice. Okay. Anyway, uh, thanks Eric. Um, what do you got?

Linus? Are you tempted to daily drive the S24 ultra and Luke? Have you played any sod? I have not much, but it's been pretty good. What is it? What is season of discovery? I was going to say soldier of destiny.

We were way off. It's not bad though. Yeah. Thanks. Very believable. Yeah. I mean, it's, I was, it's basically just soldier yeah thanks very believable yeah i mean it's i was basically just soldier of fortune but with a d oh yeah destiny i don't know it doesn't matter the

point is um yeah i'm pretty tempted by the s24 ultra i i'm i've been not missing the fold as much as i thought i would uh speaking of which dan i finally wiped everything off of it and it's in my office you can just oh no i haven't well i copied everything off of it, and it's in my office. You can just, oh, no, I haven't. Well, I copied everything off it. I haven't wiped it. But if you just remind me, I know you said you wanted to try it. Sure. It's yours. You fixed it.

Oh. That was my deal. I told him he couldn't do it. And then Dan was like, you can't tell me what to do. And I was like, fine, if you can fix it, you can have it. I was actually like, I just want to make sure that you can have your phone that you love back, Linus. I don't mind. That's very kind of you, though.

No, it was a lot more obsessive compulsive than that. Oh, I had to. I was going to do it whether you wanted to. I know. I know. Every once in a while, I have this chat called the Dan Tasking Chat that AJ and I are in. Yeah. Because he gets asked to do like everything on the planet.

So we try to, you know, make sure that we're still aiming true. Um, but every once in a while there'll, there'll be some like electronic repair thing that'll come through and I'll be like, does this make a ton of sense?

Almost always it's no. Will it make Dan super happy? That doesn't matter for productivity. I'm about to make Dan super happy? That doesn't matter for productivity of the business. I'm about to make Dan super, super happy. Has anyone talked about the video that you and I are going to work together on? No. Oh, God. No, no.

Luke, have you approved to this? He doesn't have to. Yeah, if it comes from him. I know. Linus gets unlimited. I'm allowed to pass Dan without going through the proper channels. It is my rule. But you're going to love this.

Get out of free. I'm scared now so um did you ever see that crt projector that ploof got for that video on a crt projector i don't think i did but i recommended chase get some for smash i grew up with a crt projector with the three tubes and we ended up selling it to some super smash brothers players because you get the crt latency but 12 feet across all right so let's talk about crt projectors for a minute actually no let's not talk about crt projectors let's talk about the right to repair okay we got actually a second one of those crt projectors um it had been stored outside and uh is in pretty challenging uh operational condition it still works a little bit but what's cool is unlike the first one we bought which was more expensive and

definitely worked the second one we got came with a service manual and that service manual is about two inches thick and has literally everything beautiful every schematic for absolutely everything and i was kind of thinking you know what would be a really cool video is if we told the story of how we lost right to repair because right to repair isn't something we're asking for it's something that we deserve to have back we had it that was normal that was a thing expected yes and so and so i thought as a as a vehicle for that story we could could use this old Sony CRT projector that, quite frankly, Dan, I don't think is worth fixing,

even for tournaments at the LAN, because it's too dim. Yeah. You'd have to get a better one. You'd have to get, like, a darkroom. Yeah. But, but... Kind of sick, though.

But we should fix it, because we can, and we should be able to, is sort of the point that we're getting yeah and i i thought it'd be kind of cool to get some other prominent right to repair advocates and and sort of um and so yeah so get so so dan your job would be to fix the projector with this incredible service manual and it don't worry it's not dead as a doornail it's a bit dead i would love to talk through my troubleshooting intuition as well sure kind of is what allows me to fix these things and there's also a bloke that we're in touch with who did a video fixing one of these a little while ago and um i think it might be kind of a cool opportunity

for a collab there so there's a lot of synergies you know to use a crappy horrible solutions yeah business term but i thought i thought you'd be pretty into it yeah that does sound fun yeah so uh it's super fun so consider that something that we're we're going to do sometime sometime eventually we're not in a hurry because it's not like the thing's going to get any older or deader but yeah when we when i saw that service manual man there's there's like schematics for everything absolutely everything like you could basically take the entire thing apart down to board level components and rebuild it because the cost was because all that stuff was expensive not because you it's proprietary, and you

can't build one yourself because we won't show you how. You can't put it back together yourself because we won't show you how, because f*** you. Like, just a totally, totally different industry philosophy. That's kind of what I grew up with as well. That's what my dad did, is he repaired CRT TVs and VCRs and things things like that and he would do those board level repairs he still does that now for like you know word of mouth type repair stuff but in the early days they were simpler and you could ask the company for schematics there's even some high-end audio gear because he does studio audio gear repair because a lot of it's still vintage analog extremely boutique niche stuff and some

companies you'll you'll message and be like hey your thing's broken i'm a service tech here got any info for me and they'll send you all the service manuals and spare parts and that's schematics and then i know one company it's universal audio it just won't won't even talk to you oh you got to send it back it's like a fifteen thousand dollar piece of vintage audio equipment and they're just like we give it back like i'm not gonna i'm not gonna send it to you the air shipping is too dangerous not reasonable it also weighs a hundred pounds so anyway yes um i am tempted by the s24 ultra and also all that other stuff we just talked about uh i guess this is the last one nope i'm on the wrong page uh really happy to see you guys are selling ptm 7950 so much easier to get this way my question is did

you have plans to buy and sell this since the video on it or is this a much more recent idea you'd be amazed how long things take to like do properly like we had to figure figuring out how to get them cut who is going to cut it honeywell no because if they did we're not really buying them in bulk anymore are we um so i think the the the how do they how do they come i think the full-size sheets are like four of these okay and then they're flat packed those would have been like whatever it's like 200 or something and so no no oh it's like very oem it's just like bulk so we had to figure out okay well how do we do this i was just wondering is it a roll no or is it a stack it's it's a stack of flat pack things

uh so we had to figure out like how how to cut them we had to create installation guides we had to create packaging and we had to we had to source it sourcing it took a long time because honeywell just straight up didn't return our emails like sorry who the f are you like they don't care um so it was it was after the community brought up the idea that because this stuff was kind of hard to get your hands on as an end user at a reasonable price that we should source it and we should sell it. So we did, that took a long time,

but Hey, it's there now. Exciting. Hey, LL and D seeing as you design and produce so many products, what if any inter product consideration and testing do you do? How things look fit work together etc a lot i mean the pants i'm wearing right now um oh look at that i have a screwdriver

in it i have a pocket that is specifically designed to hold a tool and that we obviously validated with our screwdriver this is an early prototype that the screwdriver actually doesn't fit very well into but that's why we do these things in it yeah um and those prototypes and we made sure that with our screwdriver it doesn't stab you when you sit down it's like at a so we had to make sure that the pocket was at a reasonable height so that it wouldn't just like jab you in the in the gut uh regardless of how you put it in. So it won't stab you if it's blade side up with a bit installed either. Is it called blade side? I think so.

Is it not? I think so. I don't know. Now I need to look it up. Bit side? Shaft side? The business end side. Yeah, at least someone calls it a blade yeah sure yeah i don't know i just never heard that so i wasn't sure

what is a blade screwdriver oh for crying out loud until he used to drive a slotted screw head is called a standard common blade flat blade slot head straight oh that's just for slot heads though i don't know this isn't a slot it's phillips screwdriver blade yeah all right i don't know there might be other there might be other words for it but no i didn't know any other word i was just surprised it was called blade when it's not a yeah anyways and last one i've got hiwan.dll what's the status of the expensive fidget toy

made from screwdriver ratchet and precision screwdriver ball bearings I'd like to give you my money for that please purgatory

there's only so many projects we can work on at a time and it hasn't been a priority I'm sorry you'll have to spend your $25 gift card on something else.

Awkward. Anywho, I think that's it for the show today. Thank you guys very much for tuning in. Sorry it's a little shorter than usual. I blame Luke. I'll take that. Yep. Yep.

We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye. Actually, wait, wait, hold on. Hold on. No, I blame myself for being too considerate.

Okay, you can roll the outro now. Oh, man. Amazing. I'm not that considerate. I mean, we're still playing super checks, so. Oh, God. One and done. Winner takes all.

Unless you want best of three.