The WAN Show - NVIDIA Proved Me Right - WAN Show August 23, 2024

Episode Date: August 24, 2024

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You know what's great about ambition? You can't see it. Some things look ambitious, but looks can be deceiving. For example, a runner could be training for a marathon, or they could be late for the bus. You never know. Ambition is on the inside. So that goal to beat your personal best? Keep chasing it. Drive your ambition, Mitsubishi Motors. What's up everyone? Welcome to the WAN Show. We've got a great show lined up for you guys today. Nvidia has quietly downgraded the hardware

on the RTX 4070. And I gotta say, the timing for this is perfect. Just today, I did the final review on a video that we have coming out on Nvidia's scummy naming tactics and their renaming of cards that are not actually the same performance. So we had to shoot a quick pickup when we saw the news for this,

and that video is gonna be coming out. We're gonna see like the most timely coverage of that whole thing. And it's only because Nvidia does it so often that we could just make a video about it whenever and probably they do something scummy. I'm also gonna be talking about the fight that I got into during my week off here. So you can see my arm got done pretty good

and it's kind of harder for you guys to see but this hand is quite swollen compared to that I mean that I'm sure they both look small but this one is bigger than the other one so yeah yeah yeah what else we got the comparison I saw AMD walks back unrealistic rise in 9,000 benchmarks and Peloton wants to skim money from secondhand sales because apparently it wasn't already expensive Who do they think they are the government? The show is brought to you today by JumpCloud, MSI, Moosend, and of course our chair partner Secret Lab. Why don't we jump right into our headline topic, which is Nvidia and Shitifying their lineup. How do they think that this

is acceptable? Well, I've done it a bunch of times and got away with it every single time, so that's probably how. Not every single time. We'll talk about that. At the very bottom of a news bulletin about game-ready drivers, Nvidia snuck in a little sneaky announcement that they would be launching a new version of the RTX 4070 with GDDR6 memory instead of GDDR6X memory in September. This would only reduce memory bandwidth from 504GB per second to 480GB per second, which Nvidia says shouldn't impact performance. However,

none of the new variants clearly indicate on the box that they are inferior to other 4070s in this small but significant, and I guarantee you, measurable way. Now Nvidia has done this many times in the past where they've made a small change to a product whether it is and sometimes it actually doesn't affect anything like you probably remember back in the day that you'd want to try and get like the 8800 GT with the Samsung memory instead of the SK Hynix or you know vice versa or whatever you know whichever memory fab was making the chips that would overclock the best back then.

But in terms of stock operation, they would run at exactly the same speed. It was only overclockers that were interested in these little differences. And miners. And miners, of course, moving sort of later on. And while there's obvious business advantages and real justifications for dual sourcing parts, I mean Apple even has dual sourced SOCs for example in their iPhones, Samsung has done it many times in their Galaxy flagships. As long as everything is up front, as long as you know what you're buying, I don't think you're gonna see the same degree of outrage. But the way that Nvidia has done this a number of times is just plain... I don't know how to

describe it other than wrong. Like occasionally they do this and they compensate in other ways. Like we've seen in the past where they'll have the same model number and there will be potentially two different dies on it, like two completely different chips on it. But what they might do is the one that has a wider memory bus. Okay, it might be clocked a little bit higher, or whatever the case may be.

So there could be differences in, for example, power consumption, but not a difference in the FPS that you're gonna get when you're playing, I don't know, what's that, Wu, Wukang, or whatever that new game that everyone's super excited about is Wukong? Black Myth Wukong, I think.

Yeah, Black Myth Wukong, yeah. So you know, right, like whatever game you're playing, you're not gonna get a different frame rate, and for most desktop users, it's not gonna be the end of the world if it consumes 15 or 20 more watts. This, and you know what, Nvidia is probably right that this, I mean what does this work out to? So that would be a hundred gigabytes a

second would be 10%. So what's about a 2% or 2 to 3% difference in memory bandwidth. Realistically are you gonna notice that? Probably not, but here's the thing. If it's the thing. But if it's measurable, it matters. Nvidia would have known that when they designed the RTX 4070. They would have known the difference between GDDR6 and GDDR6X memory. So they obviously made a choice at that time to go with GDDR6 memory. And if GDDR6 has caught up to GDDR6 in terms of the transfer rates and it's good enough, then you know what? Okay, but then it has to be the same. Then bin them and run them at 24 gigabytes per second faster. Like I'm... It's

24 gigabytes per second faster. Like I'm, it's so easy to poke holes in the logic. If this doesn't matter, then it wouldn't have mattered then. And if it does matter, then you need to clearly label this. And the thing is that there's ample precedent for Nvidia labeling, especially their partners labeling, different memory versions of cards. Like you probably remember this like way back in the day when you'd be able to buy the same GPU but with like

desktop DDR2 instead of GDDR because it was super cheap. Now Nvidia's justification for this is that the GDDR6 version will improve supply and availability which is potentially a reference to reports from July that a batch of Micron GDDR6X memory had failed to pass QA. But to me, this is just such a clear, cut and dried case of Nvidia needing to differentiate these cards. I am really annoyed.

What would make you happy? Do you think this matters? I think it matters because I don't think- Here comes a controversial take. Yeah, Framv, I don't think you can give someone something that is lesser than what has been not only advertised, but released to reviewers. So if people look up reviews of this thing,

they will see a specific, and I don't, the amount that it's different is almost irrelevant to me because you're opening a door, right? For this to be able to happen again in the future, and then what, are you gonna measure it every time? No, it's a little ridiculous. You have to say if it's okay or not okay. So I think it's not okay because this has been tested reviewed people are making person purchasing decisions off of what is now incorrect

Information there is variance in between cards and in regards to overall performance and I could see that honestly being almost more impactful than this change in some scenarios, but But that's the thing is they could stack Yeah You could get the worst die and you could get the lower memory Yes, and all of a sudden that plus or minus a couple percent from one card to the next It's a little wider and I just I don't like that. I think at the very Like if you have to make a change like this just call it something slightly different and make it cheaper

And the thing is that Nvidia has shown time. Yeah, the fact that they're not even giving a discount. There's no discount What do you even if it's like? And the thing is that Nvidia has shown, yeah the fact that they're not even giving a discount. There's no discount. What are you even doing? Even if it's like ten bucks. And they've shown time and time again that they are willing to communicate differences in products. I mean look back at the light hash rate cards, the ones that had the Bork mining capabilities. Don't tell me you guys that you're not willing to communicate about a product revision.

Yeah. And it doesn't even need to be communicated in like a bad way, because it isn't a very significant difference. Exactly. So you don't have to call it like the bad version or whatever, and it doesn't need to be a huge price drop, but just throw people a couple bones and call it something slightly different, so there's a little bit of differentiation.

It can even still be 4070, just 4070 something. 4070 light, 4070. I don't know, 4070 something. I don't have a creative name for it right now. It's not even that light. What's their face? ATI used to use SE? And we it was they it was for special edition obviously

But the community called it slow edition because everyone knew that usually they were downgraded in some way Yeah, and so it's like there's precedent for this. There's so much precedent for this what there isn't I shouldn't say there isn't precedent for it No, actually, I don't think there is a precedent for just releasing a slower card and calling it exactly the same thing. This type of stuff has happened with like SSDs, but GPUs, I don't think so. I don't think this has been, so we're opening up a new box here. Yeah, it's not good. I'm pretty frustrated and I'm, the only thing that makes me happy about this is the fact that it happened right on the eve of our of our video coming out about this. That is pretty good. Because and I see people talking in the chat right now about times that Nvidia has bamboozled them. Here what am I looking at? ArcherPL in

floatplane chat says 1060 3 gig was a fail and my biggest tech purchase mistake. And as we were working on this video on Nvidia's scummy naming schemes, both the writer and I had personal stories of times when Nvidia's crappy naming had fooled them. I've been fooled. I mean, we don't come into this hobby. We don't come into this industry knowing everything. And for me, it was when I bought my Athlon XP system way back in the early 2000s because I was an ignorant consumer and when you're first starting out, I feel like it's so easy for people to be gatekeeper-y and elitist and like, oh you should have known better than to

believe anything you read on user benchmark. Everybody knows that, right? Like... Like definitely not a lot of people actually use that site. No, people don't know, right? And the SEO... Continuing to trash on it is cool because that'll help get the word out. Yeah. But tons of people use that site. But don't attack the user. Don't attack the ignorant user who's new.

So, you know, I was still learning the ropes in terms of which sites could be could be trusted and and how to how to make my way through the marketing names into the actual tech specs and so I bought a motherboard I spent I think it was like 20 or 30 extra dollars or something like that on a motherboard that had onboard graphics because there were different versions of Nvidia's N-Force 2 motherboard chipset. One without onboard graphics and one that had GeForce 4 MX graphics. And looking at that as a consumer, the latest version of GeForce that you could buy

in an add-in card for like, wow, those are like six or $700, that's crazy. So I can get this motherboard that's just 30 extra dollars and it has just the last generation built right onto it. GeForce 4 instead of GeForce 5, well that's great, at least I'll be able to game. It supports the version of DirectX that I need to play this game. You gotta put yourself in the mindset of somebody who doesn't actually know anything about this

yet. And so I bought a motherboard with GeForce 4 MX graphics only to realize much later that GeForce 4 MX is almost a one-for-one copy paste of GeForce 2. It wasn't even remotely modern. Like the whole thing was just fake bull crap. And to be clear GeForce 4 MX was leaps and bounds ahead of what Intel had for onboard graphics back then so it's not like I couldn't play my Warcraft 3 on it

But what I didn't get was what I thought I was getting what the name Represented and so we pretty much it's a great video you guys are going to want to watch it we kind of run through everything that not everything but we run through some key highlights of times that Nvidia has advertised one thing and delivered another and there's a couple of recent ones that are really bad basically the 3050 6gig is really the one that was it the 36 yeah I think it was the 3050 6 gig was the one that really stood out to us as being particularly awful because it was two years in between the original card and

the cut down version and they call it just 3060 6 gig so they differentiate only by RAM but the GPU is different and because they launched know the gpu is the same Oh for this one, but the uh, oh man I'm trying to i'm trying to remember all the different things that are different. No, the clock speed is cut way down Uh kudu cores are down. I believe the die is the same. Okay, don't don't quote me on that though These are all details that i'm that i'm going through as we're working on the video Yeah, yeah, yeah, and i'm not going through in my brain right now. But basically the reason that I really didn't like that one

and the reason that that one inspired this video was because it was two years later and when Nvidia launched that GPU, kind of like this one, they just did a little sneaky sneak launch. There's a blog post on their site and that's pretty much it. And it wasn't at like the bottom,

wasn't this one at the bottom This one was at the bottom of a game ready driver bulletin the other one got its own It got its own blog post, but like they didn't see it to reviewers so I only found a handful of reviews on it and because of the because of the the large viewership on those older videos from two years ago and because of the similarity in the keywords even if you explicitly search for the for the

The 3050 6gig even if you explicitly search for that you end up with results for the 3050 8gig which could easily make you think that you're getting something that is significantly better than what you're actually buying. And because very few people even reviewed this later card, it's just really hard to tell that it is a completely separate card, especially because as they released the 6GIG version, they didn't even revise the name of the original one to add 8 gig to it. So there's just 3050 and 3050 6 gig. Yeah, if I was, even as a relatively informed consumer,

if I was looking at that, I would assume it was just a RAM difference between the cards. And we talk about that. We talk about how a lot of regular consumers, especially the ones buying a more mid-range or entry-level gaming card, they're gonna be relying on a sales rep at a big-box store. They're not necessarily gonna be the ones that are going and poring over articles and review videos. And honestly, with experience of this, a lot of sales rep at big-box store people are not gonna look

into it. They're just gonna see the size difference of the memory and then try to sell that to users as they're the same thing, but there's more RAM on this one. And that's not... I don't even blame them. Because if you could be even a fairly knowledgeable sales rep and if you were just a little bit out of date, like you used to be able to buy cards that were the exact same cards. 8800 GTS is an example.

It was available with 320 megabytes or 640 megabytes of VRAM. And if you weren't running at a high resolution, so you weren't going to buy two of them and run them in SLI and hook them up to a 1600p monitor or whatever else, if you weren't doing that, the 320 megabyte version performed exactly the same. There's also like, ever expecting a like minimum wage sales rep to go above and beyond just reading the card is like...

And so even if though, even if they had some of that knowledge and knew, oh yeah, the bigger frame buffer is more important if you're going to run it at high resolution or if you're going to install a bunch of texture mods and stuff like that, they could still end up misleading the customer. So the fact that this was done so quietly is I guess what demonstrates that NVIDIA knows that what they're doing is wrong, right? Like it's like when your kids are, you know, watching TV, right? If they, if they know they're not supposed to be doing it, the volume's way down, you know? So you

come in, you're like, hey, you know you're not supposed to be watching TV? Oh, no, I didn't know, I didn't know. Okay, well, why is the TV muted and you're watching with subtitles? You don't do that normally. Right? Like, this is one of those things where... I feel like this is something that happened there there Actually, my kids are really good I'm Maybe talking about my own childhood here. Okay Now are they really good or if they just learned very well how to hide things I really I really doubt that

how to hide things. I really doubt that. Yeah, no, no, no, no. Because like, look, they don't have to ask permission to like watch TV when I'm sleeping in. So they can't like get busted for that. Is that like a fun rule that you have? Like if you sleep in too long, they just do whatever? Not do whatever.

And then rules like turn on when you wake up. They can't do whatever, but it's a little more loosey goosey if I if I need a Morning sleep in yeah That's kind of fun. I Mean that's like why Saturday morning cartoons existed, you know, right? So I You got to continue the tradition Saturday morning do whatever All right. Why don't we move on to, I wanna talk about Peloton. Sure, yeah.

This is freaking wild. So our source here is The Verge, and also Peloton directly, because they appear to have no shame about this. In a recent earnings call, Peloton announced that they will be adding a $95 activation fee for secondhand exercise machines in the US and Canada. This does not apply to refurbished machines bought through

Peloton, but it does apply to any machine bought directly from its previous owner. The fee will apparently cover a virtual custom fitting, which we have no idea what that means. For bike and bike plus customers and a history slash summary of the device. A regular price machine is $1,445, while used bikes range from 300 to $500. There's likewise a $44 monthly membership fee

to access Peloton content. So, I think I've talked about this a fair bit, whether it's on the WAN show or whether it's Scrapyard Wars or wherever else. If you want to know the value of something, you don't look at the retail price. The value of something is what it's worth on the secondhand market. Now that doesn't mean that you should never buy anything new because if you look at something on the secondhand market and you go, oh wow that still costs 80% of what a brand new one does, boy I would sure like a brand new warranty and this is a piece of exercise equipment, you know, I would

just love to have something that nobody ever sweated on or whatever the case be. A lot of them are designed to be, that is very fair, a lot of them are designed to be very easily clean. I know. I mean if they do have little rips and tears and stuff it can really seep in there. It can get it can get real gross. I want to know for sure that what I'm buying hasn't been in a has been in a smoke-free household Yeah, whatever your personal sensitivities are right then I think there's absolutely a valid case to be made for paying extra and getting a brand new X, you know, whatever it is But when you go to the secondhand market and you go hmm

These are $1,500 new and I can pick one up for like $400. Why exactly is it that people are willing to let these go for a thousand dollars less than what they're worth? Because that's how much they're worth. And in the case of Peloton I think it's pretty clear that with the $44 monthly membership fee, that that is a huge drag on the value of these machines. Because people buying secondhand are generally not that into paying $500 a year in order to continue to use something that they've bought. They tend to be value conscious. So what the used market is, is it's a barometer for what a value conscious person is willing to pay

for something. So it can kind of help you sort of realign and if you decide look I want a Peloton regardless then that's totally your decision and I'm not going to tell you what you can or can't spend your money on but what I will tell you is that there's obviously a group out there that is looking at the value proposition of this thing and going, wow, that is absolute madness. So let's talk about why this activation fee exists then. So for one thing, obviously Peloton is recognizing that these extremely low priced secondhand machines

are hurting their ability to sell new machines because they're opening people's eyes to what this product is worth when you have to pay such an obnoxiously high subscription fee for it. The other thing that Peloton is doing is they are trying to make these used products less appealing because if a brand new one doesn't have the activation fee, but a secondhand one does, then it's almost like putting, it's almost like a country putting import tariffs on competing, let's say for example, vehicles, right?

So you're essentially saying, okay, well, our product is not competitive, our domestic product is not competitive, so instead of making it competitive, we're just going to add a disadvantage to anything that gets imported, to any other option on the market. And to be clear, I'm not saying that import tariffs are always just sort of protectionist bullsh**. There are cases where you could look at a particular industry and the way that it's getting subsidized by a foreign adversary and go, hmm,

I couldn't help noticing that you're selling these way below the cost that it would cost to make them in an effort to destroy our domestic industry in the long term. That's a type of warfare. And I would actually prefer if you didn't do that. There's also lots of other things like data collection that happens through devices and like, Absolutely. a pretty considerable amount of other reasons

why you might not want to just have no tariff, full open market stuff. I'm just using it as an example to demonstrate the other kinds of approaches that exist to shore up the competitiveness of our own uncompetitive product when there are other options available. Peloton suffered significant financial losses last year,

$241 million, while its losses this year look to be relatively modest at just $30 million. This is something that I've had a really hard time figuring out. How? How do you lose 30 million dollars selling $1,500 exercise bikes? I'm trying to look this up. Apparently they have 3,584 employees. Why? I'm really trying to figure that part of that question out. I don't know yet. Is that what you've been sitting, typeity typing about, away on your computer? Oh no, I was, I'm planning a video, actually.

Am I being, am I being bamboozled? Or hoodwinked? A quote of yours is maybe being questioned. Oh? Why, what did I say? That you can, I think the quote was that you can guarantee that there is a measurable difference of the new GPUs Oh, yeah, so we're gonna go see oh, okay. I don't know if it'll actually be a video sure We're gonna look hey hey hey hey hey hey measurable

Measurable can be very small you just have to be able to Apple measure Apple measure measure Apple measurable yeah but yeah I know I'm trying to figure out like what what do they actually do the instructors seem to be like I would imagine they're contractors live people this isn't like recordings Peloton instructor makes $29.11 an hour. Okay. That seems like a weird choice, but sure. I mean, if that's part of their shtick though, is like, hey, it's, you know, 40, $44 a month, but it's an actual person. Yep. Yep. I can see that. It laid off about 12% of its staff at around 500 people in October of 2022, but it still has the like 3400 employees. Okay. And yeah, I

don't know what they all do all day, necessarily. I'm sure something. All right. There's a lot of companies like I've looked into quite a few that I'm just like, man, like, what? People are like marketing basically. But that's like, that's such a weird thing to me. Like I feel like the whole calculation

has just gotten kind of perverted in a sense. Like by the VC money that is dumping into that is dumping into whatever industry it is, right? So, okay okay Peloton takes on a bunch of VC money that they use to buy up basically every ad it juices up the price of the ads which effectively is just like causing even themselves to throw more money more money into the into the money furnace and then it makes it so that you know anyone else who wants to advertise in that vertical is going to be paying so much and it's

in it's by definition it's at the point of unsustainability these ads are clearly costing more in customer acquisition than they're making back from selling the bikes well look that's not that's not a good doesn't work why don't they just stop paying an amount for ads that they can't recoup? And I'm sure there's reasons for this, right? Like I'm sure Peloton's CEO, if they have to answer to their shareholders about why their shipment volumes are down 30%, it was just like, well, I'm not willing to pay that much for ads.

Then, you know, the investors in Peloton are going to look at that and they're going to go, yeah, but this other, you know, exercise bike company Peloton are gonna look at that and they're gonna go yeah but this other you know exercise bike company they're buying lots of ads and they're eating up all of our market share and and it's a subscription business so ultimately they're hoping to make money from you in the very long term anyway so if this acquisition cost just keeps going up then I don't know maybe we'll just increase the subscription price and maybe we'll add a maybe we'll add a but a but what's it called the virtual custom fitting with a $95 activation fee and just extract even more money have you figured out why Peloton spend so much money one of the

ideas is that I didn't realize they had their own dedicated physical stores oh that's stupid yeah okay and it doesn't seem like a very insignificant amount of them Like there's four between Vancouver and Seattle Really? Yeah, why do you need? Okay. Why do you need one? Man I remember having this conversation with NCIX leadership way back in the day. I pitched NCIX light and basically what I wanted it to be was like, I don't know. So here, what's the plate we're sitting on right now is I think about 1800 square feet.

So what I had in mind was something in the neighborhood of about a third of this. So like 500 to 600 square feet. And essentially what it is, is do you remember how some of the NCIX stores back in the day were essentially just like a couple computers in the front where you could browse their website,

or other websites, but usually their website, they preferred if you stuck to their website instead of comparison shopping. So a couple computers where you could browse their website, a small back room, and what I pitched, and this was honestly one of the big friction points, because I was like look I only want to carry like the top three products in a category. Like we're gonna have, at the time this would have been... Because it's not really supposed to be a browsing experience. Yeah this

would have been probably what, like, second gen core or something like that. So, okay, so we're gonna, or like maybe third gen. So we're gonna have the 3,700K. We're gonna, or no, that would have been later. So we'll have the 2,600K, the 2,500K, and then like one, you know, value AMD option. We basically take our top three selling CPUs, that's it. We take our top three selling RAM SKUs.

That's it. So basically enough to build like the most commonly built computer. Exactly. And then whatever. You have a small, small tech area where you could take on like a half a dozen, probably about similar to like Keith's back room,

but he does a lot of, so that Black Lab computers, but he does a lot of mobile. on like a half a dozen, probably about similar to like Keith's back room. But he does a lot of black lab computers. But he does a lot of mobile. And that really wasn't mobile technician stuff was not a thing that NCIX did back then. So we wouldn't have been doing that. We'd be doing desktops only. So you'd have a small like intake area and a couple work benches for doing servicing. And then what I had pitched was that we would essentially have our trucks, which we already

had. So we already had kind of our truck fleet that went between the stores, is we would have a truck that just drove back and forth between the DC and the stores continuously so that people could save on shipping and use it as a pickup depot. This was years before Amazon implemented their pickup depot concept. So to pay the rent, the idea was that we would do the servicing there. We had a trusted brand name. And then to effectively, and then to bolster the e-tail business,

we would have this kind of this fixed cost, essentially, of these trucks going back and forth between the DCs, so that you could go get anything you needed in an emergency and then you could get any of the more esoteric stuff within let's say, you know, three to four days or whatever it works out to, but with free shipping. I think it would have been an absolute game changer. And basically I'm looking at this Peloton thing

and I'm going, if their stores are any more than like, a bike. They're not. Yeah, I, okay, what are they? If they have cafes in them. See, that's what I'm talking about. Like if they kept it really simple and it was just an experience location

and it's absolutely tiny, I'd be totally fine with that. And probably the overhead would be way less. I gotta say man, traveling overseas really opens my mind sometimes in terms of how broken and how bureaucratic the way we do things here are. Like I'm not saying that we should go full like anyone can run their own electrical wire up to the you know the pole or whatever like you see in some really scary images i'm not saying that we should just completely

deregulate everything but i remember staying in that gaming hotel back in taiwan like five years ago dude the the like retail experience in taiwan is amazing dude that hotel was just a floor of an office building yeah that they renovated and turned into a hotel why just a floor of an office building. Yeah. That they renovated and turned into a hotel. Why does a hotel have to be in its own dedicated giant building that's zoned hotel and only hotel? When we first showed up, I thought that was super weird. Within an hour, I was like, oh, it literally doesn't matter at all. Yeah, why do we care about this?

In fact, it's way better because now if I had business with a company that worked on a different floor of that building, I can just stay in the hotel that's on a different floor of the same building. You also just like, as you're going out in the morning, you go downstairs of the hotel and there's a 7-Eleven. The hotel doesn't have to make its own like probably garbage restaurant

because most hotel restaurants suck Some of them are great, but most of them suck. Yeah, like yeah, I don't know. It's cool. You know zoning laws Yeah, so they need to Needful doer says it says fire code Linus fire code Well, no, you should still absolutely adhere to fire code But what is the difference between the fire code of an office building and the fire code of a hotel building? They're both a high-rise structure. Who

cares what I put on this floor or what I put on that floor? And if you're gonna tell me, okay, look Linus, you're gonna have to, you're gonna have to deal with, you know, the maximum occupancy of the, of the highest occupancy sort of permitted use of the building, sure, fine, no problem. Yeah. But why do we have this extremely rigid approach to things? Why is it that the second Apple opened up these experience stores, every retailer and their dog is sitting here going, okay, how do I use

the square footage that I have in my location in the least efficient way possible? Like I've told you about my game that I like playing at airports, right? You don't know about my airport game? You probably have, but I can't think of it after what I have. Oh, this is my, okay, it's less fun these days

now that I have played it enough that I have some idea, but I had this game that I invented for myself back when I used to fly a lot, and I called it, how much does that cost? Oh yes, okay. Or no, no, that costs how much? That's what I used to call it. That costs how much? So what I would do is I would walk around

and there's an airport in, is it Beijing, Shanghai, I don't know, Shenzhen, whatever. One of the big Chinese airports has a mall behind it. Have you been to Tawson Mills? Like no, I didn't want to see pictures of okay So one of the Chinese airports can't remember which one has a mall behind security You literally cannot access this shopping mall unless you have an aircraft ticket and you have gone through security I

Swear to God pretty well. That's pretty wild. It's like bigger than Tawasin Mills. It is freaking enormous. To be fair, I'm assuming an incredible amount of people go through there every day. If they make it work, who cares? It's freaking enormous. Anyway, so a lot of airports have shockingly large shopping centers in them and something that I would always wonder to myself is, you you know other than a bag of Jolly Ranchers

what are people buying at the airport because sometimes it's not even like duty-free right or oh really yeah and sometimes it's not even like a huge cost advantage or whatever like why are you buying jewelry at an airport yes it's gold it's a commodity it costs whatever it costs. In general, I have no idea why almost any store that isn't like a restaurant or a convenience store or like a, in case you forgot it, charger, headphone, data cable, pillow thing store. I don't understand why any stores other than those really exist in the pulse world. Who's buying a luxury watch at the airport? I don't get it. Anyway, anyway. Sorry. So my game, that costs how much? Impulse? I don't get it. Anyway, anyway.

Sorry, so my game, that costs how much? Impulse buying? Don't do that. What are you impulse buying a $30,000 timepiece for? Stop it. Get some help. So anyway, my game is I would walk until I found a store whose name I didn't recognize. So I first became aware of Louis Vuitton

when a friend of mine in high school dropped by my house to do something and they wouldn't get out of their car because our driveway wasn't paved and... They had Louis Vuitton shoes. They had Louis Vuitton shoes and that was one of, it's like a, I have some core memories of times when I have laughed at people

like not like haha you idiot, but just like Like I couldn't stop laughing and it was at a person Over the up so just utterly ridiculous way that they were behaving One of the other times was when someone explained to me the concept of a LAN party Which I have now come around to but as a normie. It was pretty funny That in hindsight is hilarious No, I don't mean that part. I mean you laughing at them is hilarious.

Is there any grass to touch? Wait, how early were you a computer nerd? At what age did you not know when you were laughing at people for this? Dude, I was in like grade 10. When did you get into computers? This was the summer after grade 10. I didn't get into computers till like after you even though I'm years older than you Huh, dude. We've been through this. Yeah, I mean like I liked playing video games But the concept of me and a bunch of like sweaty

Networks together in a room playing games. I was like that's what you did for your birthday party Don't you have laser tag? birthday party Don't you have laser tag? Do not play paintball that's like every birthday party I had after I was like 14 or something yeah exactly right so that was one of them And then one of the other ones that sticks out of my mind is the time that buddy wouldn't get out of his car at my house Because he was afraid of getting his louis vuitton shoes dirty. He was like they're louis vuitton I'm like what does that even mean what what's a lou Louis Vuitton and why would I care is that like Nike or

whatever he's like oh these are $1,300 shoes or whatever and like I lost it I was like I'm sorry I thought the function of shoes is to keep your feet from getting dirty but you can't even walk in them like what what's the point of them you can't even walk on something anyway he was not impressed we haven't been in touch since high school the point the point is I recognize that you know like I recognize like some of some of the you know the more mainstream but dude I promise you as someone who's not into the world of high fashion, if you were to go to one of those luxury malls,

you probably wouldn't even recognize the names of over half. Oh, I don't, no, I know. Over half of these stores. Even just walking through the airport, I find new ones basically every time. Yeah, so the game is, you have to go to one you don't recognize,

and then you have to, usually it's best if you're with someone, you have to play to one you don't recognize, and then you have to, usually it's best if you're with someone, you have to play price is right rules, and you have to try to guess how much it costs without going over. And I swear to God, it's practically impossible. You're just never gonna go over? Well, no, no, no, no, oh, you can, you can.

But it's so hard because the difference between a $2,000 sneaker and a $4,000 sneaker is not evident to me. There was a bunch of Italian super luxury brands that just got brutally ousted. I don't know if you saw this. I'm hoping to get any of this wrong. It's not in the doc, but there was like a raid on a manufacturing place in somewhere in Italy, I believe it was, was because they wanted to be able to keep saying that their stuff was made in Italy. Yeah. They wanted to be able to get it made for cheaper.

So they were basically running like a sweatshop, but in Italy. And they found like in the raid, it came out like what the actual materials that were used and stuff, because it was like some some I believe there was some form of legal Process so certain documents were revealed to the public It's like insane like I don't know like $20,000 purse $40 of leather type situation Well, yeah 50 I think was 50,000 percent markups and stuff a cow is a fucking cow a cow is a cow like I

Having having spent some time now in the apparel industry, I can tell you guys, it doesn't cost that much more to make a high quality... I mean, look! Oh yeah, I wanted to talk about this this week! We won the overall highest grade on Project Farms YouTuber Merch t-shirt test. Yeah, that was cool. So we didn't come out on top in terms of what were the two categories, comfort or durability. We weren't the softest. That was one of the big knocks against us for comfort. And our material fade was on the higher side compared to some of the other ones

But I mean I can I could talk for a very long time about the trade-offs that exist So softness can often come at the cost of more pilling. Yeah, and Todd did really well I did notice that we don't have a lot of pilling. There's There's reasons why we do the things that we do There's reasons why we do the things that we do Anyway the difference between our shirt in terms of my cost on on it compared to like a Like a Hanes beefy tea, you know, like just a bottom bottom of the barrel like mainstream shirt is not Much it's like a few dollars. That's why even with printing which is done here in Canada and on both sides we still do the

Okay, this is a staff shirt from LTX But whatever we still do the little LTT logo in the back even with both sides screen printing high quality screen printing We scored really well on our screen printing quality as well and the durability of our prints Outstanding which we already knew but hey, it's good to have third parties validate these things. Even with that, that's why our shirts are still 1999. A lot of merch shirts are 30 or even $40 or more. You go to a concert, you're probably paying 50, 60 dollars for a shirt.

Easily. That is not, that shirt does not cost three times what this one costs. Higher quality materials don't cost that much. They do tend to put our products at the higher end of what a given category will cost, but I don't think completely outlandish. And so yeah, it doesn't surprise me at all

to find out that that $40,000 purse is made out of, 40 bucks or a couple hundred bucks worth of leather. Apparently, I was just skimming over an article for it. This isn't a prep topic if you're interested in it you should look into yourself but yeah it was it was like Dior and a couple other brands like that but they they ended up finding that they had inhumane working conditions for the manufacturing of the stuff and they were they were buying I think it was a bag was $57 and it was selling for 2,600 or something like that. So like there's obviously no reason

for the inhumane working conditions when you're making that much margin. There's never a good reason for inhumane working conditions. But I do kind of wonder with some of the clientele for those types of products, does that make it better? Does what make it better? Is what make it better? The inhumane working conditions. Oh.

That's a weird psychological dive that we're not gonna be able to answer right now. But I do wonder. You can really feel the suffering. Yeah, like I wonder sometimes. Like I don't care if it's 56 dollars. I could have suffered for this. Is this got veal on it?

Is it veal leather? I don't think anyone would directly say that. But. Unless you're in private company, but the rarity of it The unattainability of it is absolutely the point. Yeah, because we know that the point is not the quality Yeah, the point is that other people can see you with it and So with that in mind, by definition, in order to be rare, it has to cost so much that...

If time is money, then that means money is time. So it has to be worth so much time that the only way to have it is that your time is worth so much more than someone else's time, if that makes sense. And so with that in mind, kind of. Yeah, Tim in full-plane chart just said blood diamonds are a coveted thing.

Yeah. Really? It's kind of the same deal. I didn't know that. Oh, they totally are, yeah. thought I thought blood diamond is just an expression People want real diamonds They don't care if the manufactured ones are like just as good or the same or whatever they want like real pulled out of the ground Diamonds which basically results. Well. Yeah, but you can you can buy Canadian diamonds for example like Yvonne's ring is Canadian

Yeah, a lot of people don't bother oh Yeah, it's like totally a thing. Oh, okay. Anyways, maybe onto. Anyway, Phil H says, what I really value about your t-shirts is they don't shrink. That is another interesting thing that Todd observed.

I believe we were the highest, or no, I think we were the second. Yeah, I think so. I think we were the second best for shrinkage. And I got to send the most fun email that I've sent in a long time to our fashion team when I saw his test. So Todd didn't talk to us about this at all,

he just ordered shirts, I guess, and I found out about the video at the same time you guys did. So- That's generally how he does things. I watched it with my butt clenched, you know how it is. And I was very excited to see that we scored extremely well. But what Todd, as in his everyman style, you know, might not necessarily realize is the why behind some of the things that he observes.

I was just going to bring up the chart at the end, but you should probably go watch the video instead. Yeah, no, you guys should go watch the video. So if you go watch the video, at a certain point, I don't know if I can tell you when, at a certain point, he puts a chart up on screen, you can see the overall scores for everything, but you should go watch it yourself. So yeah, so he doesn't necessarily get into the why.

And what I can tell you is that anything Cotton is going to shrink So if a garment doesn't shrink and it has like any percentage of cotton in it what it means is that it's pretty shrunk It means that there's an additional step there's an additional cost that went into the production of that garment in order to safeguard it from warm warm washing and especially hot drying. And what's funny is I am the driving force. This is one of those things, we have a great team and they do the hard work of sourcing and QA and validation

and like, man, we have capabilities that we wouldn't have even dreamed of, you know, five years ago when we started up CRETA warehouse. Like Tatiana is amazing. You'd be like, yeah, so I need something that's antimicrobial and I needed to do this and I needed to do that. And she comes back a few weeks later

with like different swatches and she's like, yeah, well this one's Tencel and this one's this and this one's that. We looked into silver, but it's like super, super harmful. So we're not gonna explore that. And it's like, yeah, we have like, we do like material science it's super, super harmful, so we're not going to explore that. It's like, yeah, we do material science now and stuff. Super cool. I didn't know silver was harmful.

Yeah. Anyway. I don't know much about that stuff, so I'm not surprised. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's fine. That's fine. But the point is, the way that I see it, I'm kind of like our prototypical customer, right? You guys wouldn't-

Even with your particular body dimensions. Yeah, but I mean in terms of like the things that matter to me, right? It's like you guys wouldn't follow this channel if you didn't have anything in common with me. So when I kind of get something in my head and I go, no, this is really important. I tend to kind of, until I've seen evidence

to support otherwise, I tend to be like this about it. And the fashion team has been pushing me for a long time. They're like, look, the shrinking doesn't matter that much because as, hold on, hold on, because as long as we have proper care instructions, people should follow the care, hold on, hold on. People should follow the care instructions and then they won't have any issues.

As long as they, as long as they wash cold and lie flat to dry, they're not going to have any concerns. And you know what? We will do garments occasionally that really do need to be treated. Hold on, hold it, hold, hold, please, hold, please. We will do garments occasionally if there's a particular reason, there's a particular fit or feel that we're trying for, and there's just absolutely no other way to do it, that require proper care. But in general, I always tell the team, I'm like,

look, if it can't be hucked into the washer on warm and hucked into the dryer, we can't ship it to our audience. And so I got to send them one of my most fun emails in a long time when I was like, hey, did you guys see we killed it on the shrinking? Which is also good, by the way, for the longevity of the print. That makes sense. We killed it on the shrinking because we insist on pre-shrinking. Sometimes we multiple times pre-wash and pre-shrink

our base materials before we construct our garments. So we killed it because I keep insisting on this and I couldn't help noticing that Todd for his test hucked all the t-shirts and the washer on warm and hucked them all in the dryer. Once again Linus's is lazy and it saves the day. And I got an immediate email back like, oh, I was cringing so hard watching that. I've been informed that things that I have have washing instructions on labels

that I've never read before. And I've just basically been like, well, we'll see what happens because like I'm not I just even if I treat it correctly the time someone tells me the next time it goes through it's just going to be in the laundry hamper I'm going to toss the whole laundry hamper in the thing if if doing the laundry takes if doing like a load of laundry just putting in the washer then putting in the dryer takes more than just picking up as much clothes as I can and shoving it in all at once, I'm not going to do it.

That's it. Fun2 says, line is so proud to stingy rules. This is not stinginess. We pay extra to make sure that our garments can handle being treated the way that I treat my garments. Because he knows a lot of the audience is probably going to treat it that way. And I bet you well over 50% of this audience

would treat it that way. Yep. So like. Like it was really important to wear test these cargo pants. So these are launching really soon. We actually, we have the stock. Oh. We just haven't launched yet.

These are launching really soon. I'm really excited. But one of the things that we wanted to see, because they will fade. This material will fade, but we wanted to make sure that they were going to fade with like a nice patina. So Tynan's been wearing them constantly. Andrew has been wearing them constantly. I've been wearing them constantly. We've been beating the crap out of these cargo pants. And there's a few things we found, like the magnet for the flap detached in mine. So we made sure we reinforced that. That's why you got a wear test.

That's why if you are a company leader and you don't use your company's products, you're flying blind. You're absolutely flying blind because the people who are going to notice these problems, they don't have the voice to affect change. You got to notice them for yourself. So we got that changed Anyway, so speaking of patina, these are now covered in chlorine stains They've like faded out just from being washed many times. I've got blood stains on them right now

I'll explain my arm and the blood stains on my pants. I had a thing happen yesterday I'm still wearing these from yesterday. Whatever. don't judge me. I'm on vacation this week. Anyway, what are you wearing? They're pants, right? You change your underwear, you look good. Yeah, exactly. Exactly, right? Yeah, I'm wearing a fresh underwear every day, so whatever. Anyway. LTTstore.com underwear. Very excited about these. These are coming soon. Lttstore.com. I forget the point that I was getting at. But we're not, it's not about cheaping out. It's about designing for, you know, the gamer lifestyle. You know, I think, you know, the typical gamer should be applauded for washing their clothes at all.

Let alone proper care instructions. I gotta set my expectations at a reasonable level for y'all. See, I've attended enough land parties now that I know. I know my people, okay? I know my people. Especially as well, if it was notably communicated on the website while I was buying a product that there was special care instructions,

I just wouldn't buy it. Like straight up, because I would be like, oh, well, I'll ruin that. So I might as well just go for someone else And there are other options, right? So it's like I don't know why deal with the one that I know I'm going to ruin Speaking of garments from LTT store comm I'm actually not sure if you guys have clued into this one yet Let's see if it's one of the oh, yeah, it's one of the top selling products today All right

We're gonna show this while we explain Merch Messages. Merch Messages are the way to interact with the show. They go to producer Dan, who's gonna pop your Merch Message buh, down there, yeah, exactly, exactly, down there, or reply to it himself, or forward it internally, or curate it for me and Luke to talk about. And to send a Merch Message, you don't wanna send any Twitch bits or any super chats like that.

You wanna send Merch Messages so that in addition to throwing money at your screen and you know Chatting with Dan or putting up a post on the bottom of the on the bottom of the show You can also get high quality merchandise in the mail And I'm very excited to announce the hotfix patch hoodie. Okay hoodie. Okay here it is. Oh man. You want to throw it on? Yes I just I wanted to check on the scribe driver and just found that it is yet again entirely sold out. Yeah. How fast did that happen? What did you think was gonna happen? I knew but... I think it was three or four days this time. My goodness. Yeah. Ten thousand pence wasn't it? Yeah okay this is yours is there is there. This is the Hotfix patch hoodie. This one's fun. When you order, you will get one of three patches. Here, I'm just gonna do a lines cam for a second here. So there are three different patches that could be

stitched onto our iconic tie-dye hoodie that we debuted last year during LTX. There's about a 95% chance that you're going to get a Wan Show inspired patch, which is the one that Luke and I are wearing right now. Oh, one moment please. Hold on. Technical difficulties. This might be a little hot for today, but we'll see how it goes. Ah yes, a 95% chance that you will get a WAN inspired patch like this.

Or, there's a 5% chance that you will get the elusive bread-saurus patch. Oh, it says, oh what? And a 0.1% chance that you will get the ultra rare purple bread-saurus. We don't have one to show physically, so the store will be the best way to show it. These hoodies are individually tie-dyed, not printed, so you'll always get a unique pattern. They're available now on LTTstore.com in limited quantities at LMG.GG slash hotfix. You know what's really funny? Do these come already on or you have to affix them? No, these come already on. Okay. And we know that, you know what, they could be like, they could seem a little bit more, you know, attached more better. We know.

But basically the reason they're called the hotfix, and this is actually funny because I... People are pointing out. What? You figured out how to get loot box mechanics onto the store. I mean this isn't the first time. What do you got? What do you guys want? We do have mystery products. We literally, okay, yeah, fair enough. Yeah, we've got mystery products. Dude, whether they admit it or not, whether they know it or not, people love loot box stuff.

This sweater, not technically the one with the patch, but it's the same sweater, is... Hold on, hold on. No, no. Okay, go ahead and I'll be right back. I'll be right back. It's extremely comfy, and it's the sweater that I keep at work for that reason. I Like it very much. The dropout hoodie is also extremely comfy all over his heart But those ones in particular, but I find this one this one's like a little bit a little bit lighter. I think Yeah, I want to steal the bread stores one you could probably get get it from him. I think he has two. Probably be murdered.

You won't even know, dude. Oh, throw it over here. Eek. Oh, the computer's broken. Stream's over. Thanks, Luke. You won't even know. I'll put it on the list. Where's the other one? Oh! Ha ha! Oh, good timing.

Wait, did you throw that? Yeah, so that's, uh... What is that? Oh, yeah, good timing. Wait, did you throw that? Yeah, so that's... What is that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, on my week off, the team yells at me whenever I wear this, whenever I wear it on camera, because you can't buy it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So when I'm on my time off, this is the hoodie I was wearing. Because they're so comfy. That I specifically took off, so that I could come in and do WAN Show in something... Oh, actually, I'm wearing an LTX t-shirt anyway. So that I could come and do WAN Show in... You're wearing a shirt that was never on sale.

Whatever the... Oh, yeah, I guess. The staff LTX shirt. This is too warm for me to wear right now, especially when I was running over there right now. But the point is, it's a great hoodie Here's how what it looks like Extremely well worn. Yeah, you also have to remember that all all the dyes are individual So some of this white I suspect was already probably there

Yeah, it is. Yeah. Yeah, you can see a little bit on this one. Yep. No, no That's that's just part of the that's just part of the tie-dye Linus has more on the back of his shoulder and stuff like that on his. Yeah, okay. Oh yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah, it's such a cool hoodie, you guys. Anyway, the reason the patches are gigantic

and kind of weird is because they're covering... We had a batch of these where the LTX was printed at an angle. Our printers really, do you remember this now? Yes, I do. Our printer's really good, but he, you know what? I'm going to call it a team fail because he didn't notice, we didn't notice, and we ended up with an entire batch of hoodies for LTX that had the LTX at an angle.

That was unacceptable. I made the call. It was a painful call, but we basically redid it. So people in Float Blanchette are already planning on removing the patches so they can have LTX sweaters. I wouldn't do that. I believe they use adhesive. Oh, okay. Or like a wax or whatever.

You're not gonna wanna do that. You're gonna end up with an even bigger patch on it to cover up the mess that you make when you remove This patch do not do that. Okay, good But that's why the patches are like so awkwardly kind of big because this is cover it. It's the hotfix Yeah, that makes sense. It's a it's a we're just pet we're patching in a fix. Yeah So anyway, yeah guys check out the hotfix patch hoodie. It's a really're just pat we're patching in a fix. Yeah, so anyway. Yeah guys check out the hotfix patch hoodie It's a really nice hoodie for 60 bucks Whoa, yes, your chances all that red there. I think it's really cool. They're unique. Yep. Oh, yeah

No, it's real tie-dye which cost more. You know because that's how we roll, baby Some of them have a really cool pattern some of them have really not quite as cool patterns, but still really cool patterns So there's there's the elusive ultra rare bread-saurus patch yeah yep all right I'm so sorry I'm gonna have to take this off though because I am I probably won't be able to keep it on for the whole absolutely dying I'll do what I can I didn't go for a run so oh okay I will maybe put it back on but dude I am I am sweating. Merch messages then so if you place an order on the store in the cart you'll

get a little box that pops up you can leave a merch message and it'll it'll go to us and Dan can show you guys kind of how it works. He'll curate a few merch messages for us here. What do we got Dan? Yeah sure I actually have one that's on topic. Let's see. Hi. Are you implying that normally I am not on topic? No, normally, normally- Mr. Besser? The merch messages are not on topic

with what you were just talking about. So I'm blaming our audience, it's their fault. Hi, congrats on the good project farm rating. I've been interested in shirts printed with Discharge Inc. Are there any major concerns or major cons to the process? It seems like nothing from LDT store uses it. What? I'm going to be honest with you. What's that? We use what our printer uses. He has a lot of experience. I think you guys saw on the

project farm video that our print quality is extremely high So whatever we use is what he uses and I tend to be the kind of person where if my experts tell me something Then you know I asked some questions about it but I I tend to I tend to not believe that I know best when it comes to, like I realize this is a little bit contradictory because I just said that I argue with my fashion team about like care instructions and whatever else,

but that's me knowing the customer, that's different. When it comes to them telling me, okay, well with all of your design guidelines in mind, here's what you use. I gotta defer, right? I gotta trust my experts. And if my experts screw up enough times, well then, you know, we have to have a tough conversation, right? But at the end of the day, I am NOT a screen printing expert. All I know is that our quality is outstanding, which I've observed for

myself, and which I have heard from our customers and project farm and which we just won project farms roundup for so I know this and so if Marco says hey here's what I'm gonna use I say yes sir you want you want to know something that was pretty interesting about the the project farms thing is it was like kind of what I would expect. Like most of when he like showed all the shirts that he was gonna test I was like yeah I like kind of expect that one's gonna end there. It wasn't exactly I was off on a few of them but like and I didn't do exact proper wrote it down guesses but like things performed about what you would expect. It's on the one hand there's a

lot of details but on the other hand, there's a lot of details, but on the other hand, it's not that hard to like pick up a garment and go, oh yeah, this is like not a quality garment or it is. I just think a lot of people are not really used to it and don't have an eye for it. And like, dude, I see so many comments from people being like, oh yeah,

I never really cared about shirts. And then like I bought from one from LTT, and then I immediately bought the four pack on Lime Day. And now that's just like what I wear now. Because it's, I don't know, it's nice. And it's such a... Compared to socks, for example, shirts are so easy to treat yourself once, and then have really nice shirts, like t-shirts, basically forever. Like I wear the crap out of my rotation of shirts, and they last a really long time. Like I wear through even really high quality socks, I'll wear through them pretty quickly just because of badminton. But man, shirts, they can last a really long time when they don't suck. So to me,

it's a pretty reasonable investment. I'm surprised we don't have white blanks. I can explain that. Please do. We target a very light wearing shirt, and you actually probably saw that in the Project Farm Roundup. There were some that were heavier. Heavier does not necessarily mean more quality. It could indicate. It could, but it doesn't necessarily, and it comes with trade-offs.

So we live in a temperate climate, and we also sort of philosophically will layer up as opposed to like wear a heavier t-shirt, I guess. And so our shirts are designed to be highly breathable Really lightweight a little bit stretchy to be a bit more accommodating of different body types and those are things that are not necessarily the easiest thing to achieve with a heavier fabric we also really like the way our shirt hangs and That's something that you tend to lose with a heavier fabric as well, because the weight is weight. It's literal weight. And so it will pull, and it will tend to fit a little bit tighter at the top,

and it'll tend to bunch up more at the bottom. Um, another reason that... Oh, go ahead. What does it have to do with it being white? I'm getting to that. Okay. So, our light shirts in white would be very friendly. Ah! We did experiment with a heavier shirt.

Um... That makes sense. Yeah, a heavier, all cotton, white shirt. So you'd have like all the colored blanks and then separately the white blanks? Yeah. Um, I forget why we ultimately killed it, but we decided that we're not gonna have a white shirt. Oh, okay, so you're not even gonna do

like a different version of it. The reason we didn't start with a white shirt, because you would think a plain white shirt is literally the vanillaist of places to start, is because whenever I get a white shirt, it takes me about a month to have a pasta stain on it. And I figured, we are kin, right? Do you guys really want a white shirt?

It's the same reason we don't make white mousepads. Yeah. Sarah talked me into doing one special edition light colored mousepad once, the GPU Wasteland one. And within I think a couple of months of her dailying it, she was like, I get it. We're never doing a white mouse pat again. I was like, you better believe it.

Because it had coffee stains everywhere and stuff. And Sarah's not even, she's not a slobby person. I've literally spent time in her workspace, literally spent time in her home, like we've socially hung out. She's not a slob or anything. It just happens, man. Especially you got pets and all that.

Exactly, right? Stuff happens. And so- We do pet things sometimes. Yeah, man. We don't, oh yeah, so here's the cotton shirt. I don't believe we're restocking it, but apparently we do have it,

but that's why it's on a separate page, because it had to be 100% cotton for some reason reason and then it had to be it had to be thicker yeah there you go so that is literally just what we do 220 GSM compared to 165 and so from watching that video that means this one will shrink right this one pre you will but it's pre shrunk yeah okay it'll shrink more than our regular one right but probably not that much. Sorry, this entire show has just turned into garment discussion.

That really wasn't my intention today. I never really cared, and then I watched the Project Farm video, and now I'm like, hmm, all these little pieces of info. I have learned a lot in the last five years. This is getting to be too hot. Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, it's one of those things, when Gerald Undone came for the studio

Tour and like the team had like Prepped him. I guess they were just like making fun of me, but they had prepped him that like I only know computers I'm not gonna know anything about cameras. So his part of his stick for the tour was that he was gonna like Gotcha me on like not knowing on not knowing lenses and cameras and capture utilities and media and stuff like that. And halfway through the tour, he was like, this isn't even fun because you know everything. And it's just like, yeah, the thing is,

you can't, I don't believe that as a leader, you can make intelligent decisions if you don't ask questions and if you don't listen to the answers. Like how am I supposed to have an intelligent argument with my team about something like video frame rate? If I don't understand their perspective, because the best way to win an argument is to open with,

here's your perspective that I can demonstrate that I understand. Now, let me share an alternative viewpoint. Because if people don't feel like they've been heard, the first thing they're gonna think about as soon as you present an alternate viewpoint is yeah, but mine, yeah, but mine, yeah, but mine. And they can't listen.

Someone can't listen while they are trying to formulate what they want to say. And I'm not gonna say nobody can do that. I'm sure that very brilliant people can do that, or even significantly above average people can do that. But most people, it's really difficult. And that difficulty is elevated, especially if the conversation has some emotional

component to it. Like say for example, someone were to have like a very very strong emotional feeling about Android. Say for example, that were the case. If someone were to come out and say something that challenged some of their preconceived notions about the Android ecosystem, I don't think they would be capable of hearing what that person is saying before responding to it. And I mean that's not a particularly hypothetical

example here. Did you get a chance to watch that video, by the way? I did not. The stock Android sucks video that caused such an uproar in the community this week. I had some really funny exchanges with Chewy, our community manager, because he has done some community management in the past,

I think for like subreddits and stuff like that, but in terms of the size of our community and like YouTube comments and just how unfiltered everything is, he's almost on like a bi-weekly basis encountering some fresh hell. And the comments on that video. I'm so happy that's not what I do. Particularly stood out to him.

He would be saying, he'd just be like pinging me, because I was on vacation this week anyway. So he'd be like pinging me. He's going like, what percentage of the video do you think this guy watched? Yeah. And I understand, I understand why some people were upset about it.

It's because they already know. They already know that, you know, Pixel OS and One UI and Lineage OS and all these different versions of Android are different versions of Android and that stock Android in the way that we might have traditionally thought of it doesn't exist anymore and so for them it's very obvious that pixel ass is stock when he was talking about that so they know I get it like some of the most upset comments I got were from people that started with I've been an Android developer for five years and blah blah blah. Right. But all you had to do was go down into the comments a little bit past the people who were super

mad about it, or even in the conversations under the people who were super mad about it, and see the people saying, I didn't know this. Which were there, I looked through the comments, I didn't watch the video, but I did read know this. Which were there, I looked through the comments. I didn't watch the video, but I did read the comments. So believe it or not, not every video is for every person. And if you already knew that AOSP has degraded to the point where it's basically unusable, and by design, it's not meant to be used,

but there were times when it was far more usable and when stock android really did mean as close to AOSP as possible. Whereas now the entire point of the video was that when we say stock android that doesn't have a clearly defined meaning anymore, because stock Android, AOSP, a GSI, a generic system image in the way that it exists now is not really something that is designed to be run. Many of those stock applications are degraded to the point where they are not really usable in the way that we would think of a modern phone as being usable. And that's because the expectation is that, well, Samsung is just going to replace it,

and Xiaomi is going to replace it, and even we here at Google are just going to replace it anyway, so who cares? But that was the conversation, because I've been told a lot of times that I don't even know what stock Android is, because I'll complain about something to do with a phone, and people will be like, well Linus, that's stock Android! And so what I wanted to answer for myself was, okay, what exactly is stock Android? And it turns out, it doesn't really exist. Almost nothing. And what's really funny is as far as I can tell it's a really similar crowd that was

yelling at me about it both ways. Because when I am complaining about you know Google's skin or Sony's skin they'll shriek at me. Well, that's a stock Android behavior. And then when I pull out stock Android and I go, okay, well, how do things work here? They'll go, well, no one's meant to use it like that! Okay, so either no one's meant to use this and I'm allowed to attack anybody, be they Fairphone or Sony or Samsung or Google, for the way they integrate their skin, integrate stock Android into their custom skin, or you can have it the other way. You can't have both.

Either, I'm allowed to criticize these custom skins in any way that I want because they don't have a function that I feel is important and necessary. Or you have to accept that stock Android is stock Android. That's it. Do you think it would be, I genuinely don't know what the law around this kind of stuff is, do you think it would be possible for Google to restrict Android and become the only manufacturer? I don't think so because it's like it's AOSP, right? Like it's someone could just fork it then.

Like it's open source at its very core. What if they abandoned AOSP? I don't foresee it. I don't foresee it either. I'm just wondering like, it's an interesting play. I think it's possible. Like pixels, I really wonder what pixel market share is. I don't think it's very high.

No. And that's the other funny one is the pixel owners. You can pick them out a mile away because to them, pixel OS is obviously stock Android, even though it is full of Google specific features and tweaks that don't necessarily exist on other Android devices. And that you couldn't even say is like Android, like the normal Android as you might consider it to be because Pixel OS has tiny market share compared to something like One UI. It's not even close. All right.

So, see, the bit man in full-pinched chat said Google is functionally doing that with Google Play services and the intensification of GSI slash AOSP. I don't necessarily agree because if I'm a Samsung, I don't actually want Google to do all that much with AOSP. I just want the baseline stuff to be really good and then I want them to get out of the way so that I can make my own things for differentiation reasons. I don't want a fully feature fat AOSP because then there's less differentiation between vendors.

The what of what in Floatplane chat says Nexus is more AOSP than Pixel. And that is a perfect example of the kinds of comments that we got endlessly on that video that were literally things we said in the video. We talked about how going back to Google's old phones they were closer but even then they weren't stock Android and it's deviated farther and further as time's gone on, the number of people that were enraged clarifying something in the comments that was literally in the video was mind blowing on this one. Like even for me, so I talked about how Chewy has a little less experience with this stuff than I do.

Even I looked at this one and I went, are you even for real right now? The people that still deeply care about phones these days with the amount of years of incredibly uninteresting launches that we've had is going to be some passionate people. And I think part of it is that, you know, some folks and, you know, again, I know my community there's a reason that there's a reason we vibe, you know, again, I know my community. There's a reason that, there's a reason we vibe, you know? I think some of it is just not picking up on social cues. Like one person wrote a long impassioned thing

about how I completely misunderstood my point that I was trying to make or whatever it is they were trying to say. And at the end they go, I can't believe that over this, Linus is going to iPhone. Oh, I'm just gonna, bro, it's showmanship. I'm just, like he's so incompetent.

He can't even use a pixel normally. He puts a GSI on it like an idiot. And then he goes to iPhone because it's bad. What an idiot. then he goes to iPhone because it's bad what an idiot it's like my job is to be a tech reviewer if I don't use an iPhone once in a while I'm not doing a very good job and like the iPhone is fine fine and the pictures fine everything's fine probably had a really hard day. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Shraff2k said, every comment should have a timestamp attached for when they made their comment.

I've actually suggested that to YouTube multiple times. One of the things I've also suggested to YouTube is- Timestamp and like percentage of video watched, both separately. Allowing creators to gate comments based on a required percentage of video watched Because I think I would probably gate ours at around 75% if you haven't watched most of the video I really don't see how you deserve to be posting a comment on it

Do you feel I feel like there should maybe be a cap on that though? Like you should I don't think you should be able to set it at actually 100% of the video. No, because especially if Google is going to implement their own like intro block and sponsor segment blocks, which we're gonna be talking about a little bit later, premium is now getting like skip most often skipped segments as a button. Whoa. Yeah, so I believe they're trialing that. I don't think it's fully rolled out, but you're not gonna be able to require people to watch 100% of the video.

But from my perspective, if you've watched 10% of this video, if you've watched the intro and you're angry, then I don't need to see your irrational anger. And it is irrational at that point. You haven't, you haven't taken the time to even hear the argument. Like if you want to watch YouTube shorts, you want to watch one minute content, by all means, go watch that. Go do that somewhere else. This is long form content. We have a beginning, a middle, and

an end. And until you've actually consumed a fair enough portion of it, you're not really in a position to comment on it. So I definitely have a lot of thoughts about how the comment section could become a little bit less chaotic and a little bit less toxic. I'd also like to see better tools for us to moderate those. For example, one of the things that I'm going to be asking for in addition to being able to shadow ban a user is I want to be able to shadow ban anyone who thumbs up that user. One fell swoop. Whoa. And if we see something

that is particularly toxic, like say for example, you know, some kind of hate speech. Yeah, that you're just done. Yeah. Why am I if if I just because 500 people upvoted something doesn't make it valid If somebody's dropping n-words and people are thumbsing it up, I'd be very happy to shout about all them Yep, that's the like scenario that I came up with. Yeah, or I mean something as stupid as Why does Adam have painted nails? Oh, he's gay Who cares? You're done. You and your entire punk-ass crew are all done from my point of view, right? Is there any way to even see on,

as a creator on YouTube, is there any way to see who the people that like something are? No. No? And I don't need to. I don't care who they are. They're irrelevant. You just want to be able to shadow ban them.

Yep. I just want to be able to much more easily get rid of them Josh for 20 says I feel a lot of creators would abuse such a tool Who cares and you know what? That's rough Go watch someone else's content. There is like actually practically infinite other things that you could do if that creator is banning you just And and enough. Yeah, I mean, voting with your feet is not a bad thing, but I do see their point. Like if someone was- With your feet? Yeah, by just walking away.

Okay. Yeah. If someone was, if someone was, say for example, going through like a, I mean, I hate to bring up, you know, like underage controversies, you know, Oh, so a bunch of YouTubers. Yeah, right. So if they're just shadow banning anyone who...

Yeah, but they can do that anyways. Like they already have that functionality. I guess that's true. We're just making it less work. Yeah. Well, no, I'm saying in regards to the person who's saying they might abuse that, it's like, yeah, they can already delete whatever the heck they want. They can already set up scripts that will delete things

that reference certain words. Like it's, they already have all of these tools. I guess that's true. There's no, that's why I said who cares is because it's already fully abusable. Top Gear asks, banned from viewing or just having their comment scene? Just having their comment scene.

Yeah. Yeah, that's it. And Dark24 says, shadow banning to me is ridiculous. If you moderate a extremely open tens of thousands of potentially millions of users platform, I think extremely quickly you will not. Your opinion will shift. Yeah, I can understand how if you haven't done that, I fully understand. I used to believe the same. I was very against it when we talked about the setup

for the forum, for example. The main rule for the forum originally was that you could attack Linus and myself, but nobody else. There was no shadow banning. There was only full banning and it was like kind of hard to get banned. And then the user base grew and grew and grew and grew and grew and grew and more bad actors started noticing, oh, wow, the rules here are pretty light. Let me just go around and like wreck everyone's day for no reason. And it's like, oh, wow. Okay. The ultimate answer is that a lot, they're not a lot actually, a subset of people really

suck and they will find ways to just be annoying in as many ways as they possibly can. And it actually doesn't take a ton to ban those people out. And then the quality of the conversation, the quality of the people, all that kind of stuff skyrockets because the amount of impact that this small group of people has is actually enormous. I'm already seeing a difference in our comment section. I'm not surprised at all.

Like the, I wonder if one of the reasons is actually enormous. I'm already seeing a difference in our comments section. I'm not surprised at all. I wonder if one of the reasons that that AOSP video stood out to me was because our comments section has actually been quite a bit better lately. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, I didn't really think about that. This one did kind of blow up outside of our, of our usual sphere. And that's always sort of where you see those sort of spikes

in ignorant takes where people are coming in out of nowhere. Yeah. You know, off of some random subreddit, they're not even watching the video. They're just seeing someone else's summary that was inaccurate. And then there's this like posting an angry thing. Yeah.

Ian X mess and full clean shots. I would rather full ban over shadow banning. That's just me though. So one of the big reasons why you want to shadow ban is because if you know this user is like definitely just bad actor, by banning, you're communicating to them that they're banned. It takes roughly 30 seconds to make another account.

It's a free platform. They'll just go boop and then they're back. So you don't want to communicate that they're banned because then they work around it. And it's like extremely obvious and extremely easy to work around it and notably satisfying to those users to work around it because they know that they just took your time

to go through and ban these comments. They know that they just took your time to go through and ban these comments They know that they just wasted your time They know that you think that it worked and then you're gonna go in and do even worse things now Knowing that this is the tool that they're gonna use and it's extremely ineffective Yep Shadow banning is actually amazing Like here's an example of someone who is gonna be shadow banned forever and doesn't deserve to know that they were banned This guy says what's up with the star of David free Palestine?

There's a comment replying to them Go ahead read it. I believe that is a board for Chinese checkers They were referring to the Chinese checkers board that I have on my wall in my basement. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

That's amazing. I didn't understand at all what that was supposed to tell. I was like, when you were in line, you should first show me the code. I was just like, is this like AI generated or like what? What's happening? Okay, let me. So that is an example of just, I'm sorry, but you're too stupid to have an opinion on our videos

Like you're done bud. So this is a this is a Chinese checkerboard. It was funny I saw I saw a couple of really good conversations on reddit actually about this video where someone was like look I'm one of the ones that's always getting after Linus about you know talking about Look, I'm one of the ones that's always getting after Linus about, you know, talking about comments and like haters and stuff But this video has opened my eyes Yeah to the kind of you don't get it until you get 50,000 comments every day completely irrational and unnecessary Bullshit I will say it's going on here. Yeah, I will say sometimes Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, you dive real deep. I know and real dark you bring extra air tanks and you find those

Buried treasures comments and you let them get to you. I Don't think this was that case. Sure, but it does happen sometimes. That's fair And my exposure to it is extremely high. Yes That's fair. And my exposure to it is extremely high. Yes. But I guess, you know, when I'm talking about those outliers, it's because I have also experienced these sort of rushes of stupidity. And I know that every one of those that I just take down over time. Oh, I actually prefer now that there's an active process to it. I think before when you were just passively observing and taking all of that in I think it was worse

Even now I think sometimes, you know, maybe it can be a little much at times Because you dive real deep into stuff but Yeah The would you implement auto shadow ban on full plane? We have no auto banning on flow plane. The religious symbol in question Yeah That's a game board. Aren't there other game boards next to it that should have given it away? Not on the same wall. Okay Yeah, it doesn't matter. You just like what are you talking about?

Like what are you talking about? Calm down. Relax. Calm down. The world is the world is fucked up enough without like, yeah, you know, not being able to calm down a little bit, you know? Yeah. Anyway, so yeah, Chewie is Chewie went from I think being very light moderation minded to nowadays. No, it's needed. Like if anything, he's the hammer. Yeah, like

He's just like dude. I get it now. It makes I get it now Because rookie tactics think about how stupid okay? Okay, you went to you went to high school right? You know most of most of you watching probably went to high school What an accusation so you you probably are you? You probably had somewhere between between 500 and a thousand people in your school, okay? So think about... Yeah, there was some absolute dinguses. Think about the five to ten biggest complete f***wits in your high school. And the lack of drama, the lack of actual physical fighting and all this other kind of stuff that would happen

with the removal of those five people. Yeah, totally. It's almost always a very small percentage of the population, but. But when you have 14 million people. Then it's a lot of people. It's tens of thousands. And 14 million people that has a constant somewhat amount of churn.

You have new people coming in all the time. You have some people leaving all the time and then you have to try to figure out how to deal with this and there's a part of the internet that is just going to kind of float around and try to create problems. Oh, footplate chat is so unhappy. They're like, don't bring me back to that trauma. There were 400 in mine. But imagine how much better or not bad that trauma would have been if certain people could have been removed. It could have been ground up into food. Soylent. Yeah.

Soylent green. Everyone's useful. Yes. We will take the hate and turn it into fuel. Guys. Hey. It's a little further than shadow banning. Okay. I'm gonna get a shadow banning. Uh-huh. Um. Okay.

Um. Am I gonna get a shadow ban from this job? I think so. Oh man, you guys. Okay, the last thing before we do these merge messages that we're supposed to do. Scrapyard Wars Season Nine Finale. Oh.

Coming very, very soon on Float Plane for early access. Who will win? Tune in to find out We had a ton of fun with the judges and we're excited to share the culmination of everyone's hard work on the series It's over 40 minutes long. So it is the longest part of the series here Make sure you're subscribed on Float Plane to watch it ahead of everyone else Finally a big thank you to Jawa for partnering with us this season for Scrapyard Wars They have their own massive giveaway still running and you can score some great prizes like the Jawa edition partnering with us this season for Scrapyard Wars. They have their own massive giveaway still running

and you can score some great prizes like the Jawa edition LTT screwdriver. There are some signed ones, I think. Or even the rigs that Luke and I built with our teammates, Sammy and Elijah. Which are pretty sick. You can check it out at the link in the description, but act fast because time is running out.

I watched it today. How's it? It's really good. Nice. It's really good. It's very chaotic. There's a lot of energy. Yeah.

Because unlike some of the past ones, it's not just judgment day. Like you were running out doing stuff. Oh yeah, no, I was running around doing stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure. And the fact that it comes down to literally the last second,

I mean, I think- getting the rigs built. I think one of my drop offs was like, within an hour or something of when we had to present like it was it was close. We have this this happens a lot with Scrapyard Wars, which like makes me want to believe in reality TV more, but then I just still know it's not real. Where like the the like Screwdriver's down point in Scrapyard Wars is always a point in time when we're still working. But I think that's just because we just never have even sort of enough time.

Philosophically, I just um... I'm against faking it. I'm against that. Like I'd rather have a boring video or make no video than fake a competition. We threw away a channel super fun at some point because it just like Yeah, it was Fake there's some like like we had to it was rather it was boring to make it interesting It would have had to be fake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's some do it for the content stuff We're like maybe you make a decision that isn't exactly decision that you would normally make but you're doing it for the content But that doesn like maybe you make a decision that isn't exactly a decision

that you would normally make, but you're doing it for the content, but that doesn't mean it's fake. Yeah. I don't mind putting us in situations where interesting stuff might happen. Sure. Yeah. It's kind of like the whole dropping thing. Linus, are you actually clumsy?

If I need to be careful, I've never dropped a child. Like if I need to be careful with something I can absolutely not drop it. But you know for the lulls Do I allow myself to carry a little bit too much? Willy won't he willy won't he you know when I'm on camera? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's just part of the it's part of the character It's part of the fun And it's always funny to see like long time viewers hold on one sec Sorry, I gotta go back to this. Dark24 said, just think if we eliminated everyone we did not like or everything we did not like,

the world would be boring and not sustainable. Yeah, that's not what we're doing. Yeah. So we're good? Yeah, it's just if you're gonna- There is no part of the rules that will get you shadow banned that is disagreeing with us. Yeah.

Or even really like being a little bit mean. Yeah. Or even really like being a little bit mean. Yeah. Yeah. But if you're gonna get enraged about a Chinese checkers board... We don't need that energy. We don't need it. We don't need it. If you ask, hey is that that? That's totally fine. Completely fine. Asking questions always allowed. No problem. Making up a transgression, getting angry about it, and acting out, go f*** yourself. See you later. Yep. Not cool.

Not cool. You know what is cool? Is finally letting Dan read these merch messages to us. Did we do one? Yeah, I think you did one. Nice. Who knows? Nice. Who knows?

Nice. Okay, yeah, let's see, what do we have? Hello, LLD, I worked at Geek Squad and have some wild customer stories, like a customer wrapping a hard drive in aluminum foil to not get hacked on the way out. Any crazy stories from any of you. Yes. Oh Yes, I keep forgetting to tell this story. Oh There is one time where

one time in my life When I was like an adult because I mean my brother was around and saved me when I was a kid But there was one time in my life when I was adult where I needed Another like man to like physically protect me. And it was when I worked at Geek Squad. I don't even know if I fully told you this story. I don't think I've heard this story.

I think I might have, but it was a long, long time ago. So I worked at Geek Squad and something that I did that was bad was every once in a while when people would come in and they would talk about needing websites, like they would need a website to get made. You didn't. I would definitely offer my services outside of Geek Squad. Oh my goodness. Dude, I was a kid, I didn't have any money.

It didn't mean like nothing. I'm getting it done. And this wasn't a service that they offered. Yeah, I mean, yeah. You can't get a website made by Best Buy. So anyways. Look, I'm not saying what you should or shouldn't have done. I'm just saying Geek Squad probably wouldn't have liked it. Oh, no not at all. That's all I'll say extremely against the rules

Yeah, that's all I'll say it's been a long time. It's probably fine Anyways, so I had a few different contacts Nerdy and float plane chest says I know a guy his name's Duke Amazing worst joke there. He probably could have handled it. I added the second part. Yeah, so I had a few clients that went through there and it was always good. And then one dude came in and I was like, okay, yeah, let's do it.

We met to figure out, this was outside of work with just him and I at some restaurant to like figure out the details over the thing and I'm figuring out that it was like a the world is ending website thing 2012 2012 man yeah was gonna end in 2012 and he wanted me to do it for free because he was like this is your contribution to like the cause or whatever and I was like nah like Doing this because I am an extremely broke child because I was still working on geesewad. So I was like actually a teenager still and This guy ended up stalking me for a while quite legitimately because he decided at some point in his head that I was the only person who could do this and he was like the world's gonna end we need to get the

the word out and this is the only person who can do it and he would come into like the the Best Buy that I worked at and like watch me from far away and we just kind of dealt with it for a while because he wasn't actually really doing anything. And then one time he like tried to get into the Geek Squad backroom. And one of the like, more senior did the in home work, I don't know what they're actually called, but they're like the higher level Geek Squad technicians that I was working with in like the suit and stuff that like look cool, physically removed

him from the store for me and that was really freaking cool and I remember thinking like this feels weird because like I feel like I should be able to do this but at that point in time I'm not touching this dude. I don't want to go anywhere near him. I'm mostly like creeped out. It's not like a physical challenge for me at this time. And then Guardian Angel guy came in Swooped him out of the store and made it very clear that he should never come back and the dude never came back and it was great And that was probably one of the many craziest things that happened when I worked at Geek Squad There was like one issue where we used to have the monitors like if this is so Geek Squad when I worked there

issue where we used to have the monitors like if this is so Geek Squad when I worked there, one of the times that I worked there, there was a public like window into the Geek Squad back area. So there was a cutout. It wasn't a window. It was a cutout. So you could come up to like the service desk thing and basically like look into the service desk area. You could put your computer through the window, et cetera. They're called CIA agents. Yeah, that's right. I don't remember what it stood for, but anyways. And the monitors for the computers that we would work on were against this wall, assuming the windows here. So you could see them, and it happened more than once where people's screensavers defaulted to their local folders or whatever, which would have photos of them and their partners doing things so eventually the precinct is what they called it was redesigned so that Customers wouldn't see back there and it wasn't because we were like trying to hide what we were doing quite legitimately It was because we were trying to

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and save 10% at lmg.gg slash moosendltt or at the link in the description. gd slash moose and ltt or at the link in the description that's an uncomfortable visual go team oh also i wasn't the one who found it but we aided the police one time in arresting someone who had CP on their computer. Nice. Yeah. Speaking of the police, I was reading in the news that there was a counterfeit phone bust.

Like hundreds of phones in like Maple Ridge or something. And like the investigation was ongoing for a while. I would guess with that many devices, there's some level of organization in this operation. And so I reached out to a buddy who works in admin at the RCMP, and I was like, hey, I know this is sort of unconventional, like, you know, evidence lockers and stuff like that, but can I get some of these phones? And can we do, like, a collaborative thing where we essentially... Awareness campaign. Yeah. and can we do like a collaborative thing where we essentially,

yeah, we talk about sort of, you know, how you can identify these devices, how these networks work. You guys obviously want some attention on this bust because like I read an article about it. So clearly you guys want people looking at this thing. So I think, you know, we can help each other out here because I think that has a lot of relevance to my audience.

And I heard back, nothing's for sure, but they are a high level of interested in working together and they may be able to get us at least one device so that we can kind of talk through, you know, are they the exact same as anyone's getting on AliExpress? Are they stolen? Are they modified? Like, what are we looking at here? What kinds of phones are... Because for me, a big part of it is how does the scam work.

Right? Because a lot of the stuff on AliExpress, a fake iPhone or whatever, it's pretty obvious it's not an iPhone from the second you touch it. So, like, what's the scam here? And so it'd be really cool to hear from people who have actually, you know, worked with the victims and stuff like that. And I think it'd be a pretty cool video. Dr. O says, not sure if it's legal,

but you should be dressed as RCMP in that video. Definitely not legal. Yeah, I will not be doing that. But if I could get- It would be funny if you had a fake cop stripper costume. I could get in a cop car or something. Oh. I'd be down.

I've never been in a cop car. They should put you in a jail cell. That'd be a really good intro. Yeah. Is like, They probably can't. Like slamming it shut on me. Yeah.

So let me see what they're able and willing to do. But I think that this is a really cool opportunity for them to get some eyes on some of the work that they do that isn't, you know, some of the things that they do that isn't, you know, some of the things that they do. And, you know, maybe an opportunity for us to tell them what's important to us and say, Hey, this is actually something really important that you guys are doing. Do more of it. You know, maybe everyone,

maybe there can be good vibes and good messages here is all I'm trying to say. Yeah. Cool. cool no I've never actually been handcuffed stuck in yeah me neither my head is stuck in trying to imagine the intro to that video maybe that should be my next phone after the iPhone yeah there's no I don't think I'll get to keep it but it's also concerns about like what's on the phone yeah I'll just be borrowing it I'll be borrowing it yeah all'll be borrowing it. Yeah.

All right. What do we want to talk about next? AMD has walked back some of their unrealistic Ryzen 9000 benchmarks. They have retracted some performance claims after independent benchmarks fell short of those rosy numbers. And I got to say, excuse me, sorry.

I think that this is a big part of the more positive tone that we took in our video. I Didn't look at their pre-release benchmark claims. I didn't look at any of it. I don't care. What's So all I looked at was our testing And I was like, oh, okay well, they're some of the complications and the testing that we did was because We compared our numbers to theirs interesting and then we were like, oh do we need to like retest stuff? We got in contact with them trying to figure out what's going on, etc. Etc

And then through enough like retesting and stuff. We were like, well It is what it is. Yeah, so I wasn't exposed to any of that Yeah, and I was like, well, they're like better than build ones, which is nice They're not x3d. So they're not gonna be ideal for gaming. So if you're a gamer wait for that But like that's an interesting way of looking at yeah So I think that I think that there was in some ways a lot of anger about AMD's positioning of these products Because of the expectation set by AMD, which makes sense. Whereas I just, I mean, you know, you know how I have

trended over the years from really engaging in rumor mill conversations to basically ignoring those, but paying attention to, you know, internal, you know, scuttlebutt to even ignoring like that, even if it's coming from people within the same company, I'll believe it when I actually test it myself, to like seeing the presentation and being like, okay, yeah, this is gonna be pretty cool to,

I don't know, let's just put it on a bench. Like I just, there are certain companies that I mostly trust. AMD has been pretty good about it on the CPU side for a long time, but I think this was just the reminder that as the second a company has a less than grand slam product to launch, they will slip back into old habits immediately.

Anyway, according to AMD, the company ran their tests in admin mode, AKA this hidden system administrator account in Windows 11. According to Hardware Unboxed, this account is different from an account with administrator permissions in that it has fewer user safeguards, such as requesting confirmation before proceeding with a potentially damaging request. The account also likely runs processes with virtualization-based security disabled, leading to better performance at the cost of significant vulnerabilities. So that is a thing they shouldn't have done and they should have known better than to do.

However, I can imagine some workflow where that made sense for their device imaging or whatever the case may be, but hopefully they learned a valuable lesson here. Yeah, because it doesn't make you look good. It makes you look worse. Oh, this is pretty cool. Yes. Yeah, because it doesn't make you look good it makes you look worse. Oh This is pretty cool. Yes, uh J 529 in floatplane chat says hey Update from last week's dystopian hell the US sued real page this week. This is actually in the doc

The Department of Justice in the US says real page is rental collusion. So Shout out DOJ man the DOJ and the FTC have been actually doing useful stuff in the tech space for the first time since We've been doing WAN show No, really though. We've been asking them for them to do this for oh, no We like some of the stuff that what's his name? former FTC chair who was of the stuff that um what's his name a former FTC chair who was uh who was helping out with like not Reese's Cup right who Reese's Cup no no I'm talking

that was an FTC was it net neutrality net neutrality stuff wasn't that the Reese's Cup back in the day I thought we didn't like that um no no no they like they like fixed net neutrality when it was... Oh, it was FCC. Yeah, didn't we not like that guy? No, no, no, I thought it was the guy before that. Oh, before him. It was the guy before that? I don't know who was before that. I just remember Reese's Cup. Anyway, the point is the DOJ and the FTC have been like actually doing some really useful stuff lately and whichever Administration is coming in in November

Or no, November is the election. I think it's February is the inauguration or whatever It doesn't matter. The point is whoever's coming in, please just let them do their thing. Okay, you're talking about Tom Wheeler Yeah, maybe it was Tom Wheeler. Was he the one we liked? Ajit Pai was the no, we hated him. Reese's Cup guy That was that was him. Yeah, he sucked. Yeah, he suckedit Pai was the- No, we hated him. The Grease's Cup guy, that was him. Yeah, he sucked. Yeah, he sucked. Yeah, okay. I just remember talking about him a lot.

Yeah, no, he tried to roll back the changes. No, yeah, Tom Wheeler was cool. Yeah, that's right. Dude, it's been a long time ago. Yeah. It's been a long time ago. It's been a long time. We're not even American.

I paid way less attention to American politics and like the FTC and FCC and DOJ and all of this stuff back then because I just like didn't think it mattered as much but now it's so clear that whatever happens in America just like happens in the rest of the world. Especially here. Speaking of things happening in one territory and not necessarily happening in another territory, Apple has divided the App Store team. So if we were hopeful that the App Store rules that the EU has forced Apple to enact in order to be

less anti-competitive, if we were hoping that it was just going to trickle out into the rest of the territories, the answer is no. Apple makes so much money behaving in anti-competitive ways with the App Store that they will continue By splitting it into two separate App Store divisions one that handles its Regulatory compliant EU store and the other half that controls its App Store for the rest of the world Thanks Apple Yeah, I'm not surprised. Oh, okay. I'm a little surprised, actually.

I am surprised in the sense that I'm surprised that the move happened. I'm not surprised that Apple would try to do something like this to protect profits. I would be not surprised six months ago, but the way that Apple has started behaving in the last six months. Oh, yeah. They've been a lot more careful. six months ago, but the way that Apple has started behaving in the last six months, you know with

They've been a lot more careful Yes Like seeing them implement RCS for example seeing them just sort of Honestly iOS 18 was such a hey, we're doing stuff, we're listening, ha ha, we're customer driven, like laundry list of stuff they should have done forever ago. I'm a little surprised to see new Apple continue to brazenly behave in this way.

And I do think it's a matter of time before the US just goes, hey, yeah, all that stuff you're doing over there, hurry up and it or we're throwing the book at you if you get a European iPhone No, you're still bound by whatever region you're in. It doesn't matter if my iPhone came from America I can't access the US App Store up here for example, okay Yeah This is there to talk about this week in AI? You wanna do our weekly AI roundup? Sure. Scientists at the University of British Columbia...

Woo! Let's go! ...are teaching... Those people live near me! That's my team! My team just scored! I mean, that team kicked me off, so... Hahaha! Rob... I mean, that team kicked me off, so. Ruff. Scientists at the University of British Columbia are teaching an AI scientist, an AI agent that runs experiments and writes research papers about the results. There have been so, there have so far been a few interesting results.

While the AI could create decent hypotheses and test them, it wasn't very good at assessing its own output. It also repeatedly attempted to solve the problems it was given in unexpected ways during one run. It determined that it couldn't complete its task in the time allotted, so instead edited its own code to extend the deadline. Ha ha ha! This is what developers would do if they could. They edited its own code to extend the deadline

from two hours to four. During another run, it altered its code to save a checkpoint for every update step, which eventually took up a terabyte of storage. Wow. Texas-based Lingotelicom. This is a new topic. Yes. You can't tell from his intonation. That's fair. Texas based lingo telecom has agreed to pay a $1 million

fine for transmitting a spoofed robo call where a deep fake of president Joe Biden discouraged nearly 4,000 New Hampshire residents. Whoa. For voting in the presidential primary. New Hampshire residents, whoa, for voting in the presidential primary. Lingo Telecom relied on a 16 year old certificate from a former customer who took no further steps to verify the caller's identity. Steve Kramer, who commissioned the fake call, was indicted on 13 felony counts of voter suppression and 13 misdemeanor

counts of impersonated candidate in May. Wow I'm surprised it wasn't 4,000 because that's how many times he did it. But anyways, new topic again, Slack AI can apparently be fooled into leaking data from private channels through prompt injection, which I am not even sort of surprised about as this type of attack has existed since day one and is why I mean we don't have slack AI and you probably shouldn't either. New topic Lindy AI a company that provides bots to respond to customer messages had to retrain its bot after the automatic message responder for their own customer support email responded to a client with a video tutorial, which was actually just a link to Rick Astley's

never gonna give you up. This apparently has happened twice. And I'm gonna comment on that. This is what happens when you train an AI agent on Reddit. Yes, when you train AI agents on human behavior, sometimes they're gonna do human behavior in ways that you wouldn't want it. Discussion question. What's the problem with the future? What's the problem with a future where AI agents are left unsupervised with access to

important infrastructure code when they engage in this type of creative problem solving? Well, current versions of these things are, should not be left unsupervised. and that's just Do you foresee a future where we can leave them unsupervised? Yeah, but not with current tech We have to solve some pretty big jumps before we get there. There's there's two extremely major problems With the current systems. One of them is hallucinations The other one is I don't remember what it's called But when you kind of run out of human data to train on, and then you start running into your own data or other AI generative data, or just if there isn't enough quality data, you start generating just more garbage and your results

get worse and worse. So that has to be addressed and the hallucination problem needs to be addressed. But they're still LLM. So they're still prediction tools. They're not actually computing in a lot of these cases. You can mix models, you can mix tools, you can give the LLMs access to other tools that can help them, things like that. But we're... Someone said, so it's not really AI. Well, yeah, no, it isn't. We did a video on how AI is not AI a little while ago and it made some AI bros really mad yeah but other than that correct so yeah and like and to be clear nothing we said in that video was that

the current tools aren't really cool they're awful dude Emma did something sick recently where her company has this sheet that they use. It's like a... I haven't fully read through all the stuff so she's gonna kill me if I get this wrong and I'm going to get it wrong so I guess I'm gonna die later. There's this sheet that they use for like a customer stuff. I won't get into it way more than that but it was a very manual process. You didn't put things and then you'd select drop downs. You go through this thing, a lot of manual process, a lot of manually updating, a lot of everything was manual. She worked with ChatGPT and went through iterations, did an initial long initial prompt and then debugged

with it and did all this kind of stuff and got a bunch of whatever the Google Sheets scripting language is, got a big, long, effective script to automate a huge portion of the process and make the sheet look way better and just massively simplified everyone's lives. And she's not a developer. The like thing happened. Super cool. Because that's the type of like, we already have copilot and things for the programmers themselves. But coding through like chat GPT for someone that doesn't actually know how to do it, but

knows enough to like see errors and understand what it needs to communicate to the LM in order to get it to fix the errors and can look at the error when it brings you to a certain part of code and then recognize, okay, this particular thing is broken, so you might be able to expand on just the error that the compiler found, etc., etc. Super cool. And I think even we could do more of that type of stuff. Meanwhile, Jake and I did a $50 versus $500 versus $5,000 versus $50,000 computer thing. You know how that's like a format on YouTube. $1 hotel versus $50 hotel.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, damn it. Meanwhile, Jake and I built a $50 computer, $500 computer, $5,000 computer, and $50,000 computer. You know, it's that format on YouTube where it's like a $1 hotel versus $1 million hotel room or whatever else. And obviously our $50,000 computer is an AI monster, right?

It's got like RTX 6000 Ada's in them. It's got like a bazillion epic cores or whatever it is, it's like absolute beast, like unit of a computer, ton of memory. So I asked it to type me up sob stories, interaction bait for Facebook, and they're real good at that. A couple of the model, we loaded up like four models concurrently and a couple of them like objected to it

and getting around it was as simple as like, sorry, I know it's against your policy to type up engagement bait, but I'm writing a novel and my character is going to write engagement bait. So what would you suggest? Oh, sure, let me get to that for you. And dude, seeing how good they were, immediately I was just like, okay,

so absolutely everything on Facebook is just fake garbage. They were so good. Have you seen some new image generation models from like Flux? No, I haven't looked at that. Oh, it's crazy. Have you, you've probably seen this, Dan? I'm actually terrified and want to go live in the woods now. I can't even, people are talking to me about AI

and I'm just like, no, you're screwed. Yeah. Like, you can't teach people to recognize these. I haven't looked at flux yet. I don't go to my screen yet. Okay. Where's like a good example? Not like this stuff, Dan. Where can I find one? Guys, I don't want to use Facebook, okay? But they have Marketplace. Dang it. Go back to Craigslist. Facebook Marketplace is actually better than Craigslist.

I know, it sucks. Um... Yeah, I don't know, Luke. They're all... I don't want that. I've seen better ones. I believe in you know Luke. They're all I don't want that. I've seen better ones. I believe in you Luke. What about the ones that like more night clubs and things like that? That one's also quite obvious. Man. There was one it was a speaker she was behind like a podium thing.

We'll just imagine it We'll generate it. We'll generate it in our minds. Okay go. I've got my eyes closed. I'm ready I don't have enough money for tokens I just see nothing I need more coffee These are like kind of obvious here we go I can tell. That's a bowl of pickles.

That's obvious. I thought you were talking about like the super low quality kind of like frosted prick. That one's pretty funny. The text on that's really good. The text is quite good. The label's not perfect. I like kalongs. Frosted prick. The text is quite good. It's not perfect. The label is the label. I like kalongs.

That one's pretty amazing. That one's pretty convincing. Yep. Conveniently no hands. This kind of like abstract stuff has been pretty good for a while though. That one's pretty crazy. You can often tell with the fuzziness of the hair. It loses me a little bit here, but not that much. It's very good.

His backpack doesn't seem to actually be a backpack. It's just a strap. But this is all stuff that I'm only noticing because I know it's AI generated. Yeah, I'm looking for it. But they still have that like smear on them like that, that little bit of AI Vaseline where the configuration is set too high so that it follows your prompt. But I don't know. There's like one really particular image that people are sharing around and for some reason right now I just can't find it. But it's like, it's actually incredible.

Do you want to describe it and maybe the audience can find it for us? Yeah, it's someone speaking on like a podium of some kind. And it was put speaking on a podium of some kind, and it was put up on a bunch of different sites, and they were asking people if they could tell if it was real or not. Wait, they had a real picture that was very similar to the fake picture, and they're asking people which one was real and which one wasn't.

And it was a woman standing at a podium speaking into, I believe, a microphone microphone and there was the two comparatives. Oh if it wasn't a microphone it was probably the AI one. No I think they were both microphones and that's good they were both like a lot of people were wrong. Oh okay so here's one this isn't the one I was talking about but this is an AI image apparently Mike cable really yeah, Mike cables coming out of a slightly weird angle, but that could happen. Yeah, not real Not real That one's yeah, her chest looks super weird not that I was looking there right away

Is it the shadow here? Yeah, like that looks like that just jumped off of the screen at me. Hold on. This this guy is AI. Yeah, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let me look at him for a second here. They've even got the weird little like Cheeto cheese puff mic on him. Yeah, his hands are not bad. Like they look a little weird, but some people sent links. I'm not gonna click on them while I'm sharing my screen I'm sorry people have slightly weird hands, you know, I will share them soon Is it is it a video obviously not the Nvidia logo But this is supposed to be like an Nvidia conference Wow. Are you talking about a video Luke? No, okay Huh Wow. Were you talking about a video, Luke? No. Okay. Huh.

Yeah, these are getting pretty... Like, these are fake. Wow. That is unbelievable. This is video. Even the way the earrings move is like pretty okay. You can see if you look closely at them, they kind of like morph and they're not always round. But like that's what I'm looking for, right? Like I'm looking for also her her shirt behaves more like a texture. You can see when the mic moves initially here right there. Oh yeah yeah it warps slightly. But again if you're if this is side monitor, if you're not really paying attention,

you're probably not going to notice. Dude if this is my grandparents. Oh they're done. Absolutely they're no way.. I had to go. This isn't what I was talking about, unfortunately. Ever since my sister passed away, they haven't had as much help. Like she was really, really, she was really, really good for them. And so they left me a voicemail because they're old and they think voicemail is still a thing. So they left me a voicemail on yesterday morning, morning before, I don't know, some day this week. And they're just like, yeah, our TV's not working and our phone's not ringing and we're just kind of lost.

And I'm like, okay, all right. So I get in the car and I drive out there and what am I going to do? Call them. Their phone doesn't ring. Um, and literally the batteries were dead in their handset. And the reason their TV remote wasn't working was because they had the box facing the floor, and it's IR. So I just had to pick it up.

It was just like, okay. And it's just, it's one of those things where it's like, you know, we can laugh or whatever, but at the end of the day, like cognitive decline is absolutely a thing. comes for all of us. I mean, do the math, I'm 38. How old do you think my grandparents are? They're not young, right? And, and as we get older, like us sitting here, like, analyzing these images and

going like, Oh, yeah, that looks like, that looks more like a texture than like, actual fabric, or there's a slight, you know, change in the diameter of this earring as it's moving around. Like there's absolutely no way that you're going to be able to find, there's absolutely no way that as you start to, as you, and remember we like work in tech and graphics and well, we don't work in tech or graphics, we work in media, he works in tech, but he certainly doesn't work in graphics. But we look at this stuff, you know, all the time. Like not a week goes by when we're not kind of looking at these advances and following them closely. People who don't or people who are who are not, you know, as cognitively sharp as they were when they were

young like, dude, this is so dangerous so dangerous so that this one this one was the one that I was talking about okay this one was next to another image that I don't have but it was it was two speakers in a very similar stance and you had to guess which one is real and this one was fake this muscle on her face right here is not right. I don't know. See, there's some things like people pointed out something to do with her armpit. Another person was like, shirts don't usually follow this type of like there's slight changes in the pattern and usually shirts are symmetrical and stuff. I think when we start getting into that type of stuff, you start getting into issues because people are going to have physical differences.

The hand is really good. The hand is incredibly good. And the like the bone here and the the muscles in the in the arm like look I'm not I'm not the kind of person who can look at you know Michelangelo's sculptures or whatever and go like oh yeah he really nailed the way that when your pinky is extended like this you know it does, whatever, like I don't know that much about human anatomy, but there's things that this one passes the sniff test pretty well. Oh, yeah. For me, other than this one kind of weird thing where like these smile lines on the bottom go up in a way that I don't think I've ever seen on someone before.

I think some people have this is my slightly lazy eye, but Lazy I like people are gonna be different so like how you can't start Well you can but I think you're gonna have serious accuracy issues if you start guessing things purely based off that so into the mic shadow But you might have really weird lighting setups that end up having that like a lot of the things that people were pointing out as like this is what made it stand out to me as an AI image are things that could possibly just be the way it is I don't know like is the badge correct yeah so you can tell on the badge because the Google logo is pretty good and then the text under it gets wacky.

Because the first thing I'm gonna look into is text. But like, it's- Like that clip is not on that. That clip has no 3D geometry that would work in the real world. In fact, there's two clips. Oh yeah! One of them is clipped to the other clip Sort of it just got like morphs into it. Yeah blue it

There's definitely Stuff that's bad here. Yeah, somebody was like pointing out like this this pattern with the green things or something Dude when AI girlfriends get better. There's no way that anyone's gonna interact with another human She seems nice It wasn't a video guys Okay, the video looks oh no you can you can tell more from the video There you go, but what I was talking about was two still images next to each other What I was talking about was two still images next to each other.

One thing that I noticed with a lot of AI videos is that it's almost like the playback speed of different parts of the video are different. Like her like mouth and face are at like playback speed, like 1.2, but another part of it will be at like 0.9 or something like there's a lot of when Sora first came out I noticed that a lot it's like different things will be moving at like it's it's it's it's slightly off and you can just sort of tell but like man there's it's just, it's too much. Yeah. This combined with voice spoofing and that thing

that we almost talked about a little while ago where you can take just one image of someone and then like live edit yourself to look like them. Just believe nothing, verify multiple ways everything nice Like is smash champs badminton club and pro shop even a real thing is this an AI generated vending machine Huh, I am the proud owner Luke of a vending machine is it your own vending machine or does someone else talk it? It's a Do you stalk it yourself? We stock it ourselves. Well not you, but like...

But it's through like a service, so they take a fee for doing all the payment processing, but we put our own things in it. Oh. It's a pretty reasonable subscription, so we were just like, okay, let's not. Like we looked into just like sourcing a vending machine on like Craigslist or whatever,

and I was like, ah, forget it. Because their monthly fee is about what just like sourcing a vending machine on like Craigslist or whatever, and I was like, eh, forget it, because their monthly fee is about what just like a payment processor would be anyway. So is there their own payment processor? It looks like it just drops the whole way, like old school vending machines. Is there any concern with that at all? No, we'll just put the carbonated stuff at the bottom

if we have any, and like, whatever, like we bought pops out of vending machines from here back in the day So yeah, I assumed it would be fine. Yeah so yeah, if you guys are if you guys are local and You know yo you want updates Smash champs on Facebook That's our pro shop. It's getting it's getting close dude. We're probably going to be open mid-september or early october. Oh, yeah Yep, have you have you been there at all? No

Oh, all right. Do you remember the last opening date though, dan? March 2025 on when and then he he got uh march 2025 added us. Do you remember that date dan? We got custom benches Wait, did I get mad at you guys? March 2025? Yeah, I don't know. I actually believe this one though. I've seen a very detailed timeline of what needs to happen still, and it should be good.

Okay. No, no, Dan, no, no, Dan, no, it's gonna be good this time. Well, no, see, because it's been no problem for my team at all, because AJ and Dan and Sean have had no stress at all trying to hit all because AJ and Dan and Sean have had no stress at all trying to hit all the various opening dates that we've had and making sure that everything is ready in time for this one opening date and then we get a new opening date and then I start

getting flashbacks and trauma responses from the lab website and then we get a new opening date and the same thing just keeps happening over and over again and we like just waste time compounding more aggressively every single time over and over and over again. And then we do changes to things that have already been done because they had to be done for an initial date, but they weren't done perfectly because they had to be done in a rush for that first date. And now we're doing it again. It's going to be good. March, 2025. The city is, is still seeming very promising.

We've exchanged some emails, so I am Extremely hopeful that we are not only gonna have badminton there, but that we are gonna be gaming events there I have feeling really close. I have people amazing Yeah, I Don't I don't answer with speaker. Yes, you would know that you're don't know if it's your speaker phone. Yeah, she would know that you're on Wanshow. It's Luke's mom. Hi, I'm live on the show. You're also on the show. What's up?

Hi, I wanted to say congratulations to Linus for opening up the new Badminton Center. That's so awesome! Oh, yeah. Thank you very much. I mean, you heard Luke and Dan. It's not open yet, strictly speaking. So, wish us luck, but you're definitely invited to the grand opening. 2025. I was just trying to look it up on Facebook and I couldn't find it. What's the name again?

Well, see, we wanted to call it Smash Club because I thought it'd be funny, kind of like Fight Club, except the rule number one is you're supposed to talk about it because we want your referrals. And then I also thought it'd be funny because it'd be like a sex joke. Wanna go to Smash Club? Wanna go smash? But then my wife... I mean the evidence is right here it's huge I'm just saying we ended up with smash champs because Yvonne thought that that would probably be better. It's good that you keep her around. I think my brother asked this or

something but is there gonna be pickleball? Because I know mom you used to play pickleball right? Yes I did. Pickleball is super fun. Our goal, so the two sides are actually separated by a wall and then we've got doors periodically spaced. And the idea is that we wanna offer daytime pickleball on one side. So, because badminton players are not expecting a ball to roll through their court.

So we were just asking for twisted ankles if you have pickleball players and badminton players right next to each other. But if we could block off one side and say hey that's pickleball during these hours, it is our goal to run pickleball. We don't have a mechanism for raising and lowering the nets yet. But that is absolutely on our radar and it's something that we want to do but we don't we don't have it yet and our priority is having a functioning badminton center first yeah make sense thanks sorry for old people um oh man see you're see, you're the second, you're the second woman in either mine or Luke's

lives to ask this in the last couple of days. We had a chat with the guy that we're partnering with to run lesson programs, and I believe that is locked in now. So I think I can say now, it's going to be with Daryl from Clear One. So they're a big badminton club here locally. They've got a handful of clubs in North America now. He does a really great job with his coaches. So, he's got a few of his coaches that are actually based more out this way. With the number of hours that we were able to spare for him outside of our own programs,

he's not planning to do any adult lessons at this time. Yvonne wanted to do adult lessons. So maybe if enough people inquire, we'll be able to find some more court space for him. But the issue is that for adult classes, he really wants those prime hours in the evening. And those are the ones that we can sell for the highest rates for court bookings and also for running our own programs. Like we wanna do like competitive ladders and stuff like that.

And that's when adults are around. So let me know, but also let's see how it goes is where we're at on that. Okay, that sounds awesome. I'll let you guys go. Congratulations again. And that's really awesome. We're looking forward to checking it out. Alright, thanks for calling in. Thanks for calling in, Mom. Bye!

Bye! BentBob says Smash coaching for adults. I saw a few of those. Leave me alone! Hahahaha Hahahaha I saw a few of those. Leave me alone. It's been when's the last time my mom called? I don't know. It's been a while.

All right. I never really know like. When when people call me if they're calling to be on the show or if they just like didn't realize it's a Friday I don't know when your mom calls like it's like probably it's it's it's either To to like talk to you on the show or it's because she knows you're on the show and something is so important that it can't Wait, yeah, so either way you kind of have to pick it up. That's fair. Yeah, yeah, or you're just a bad son Yep, a son who she has Do you know that though you don't know Plane shot was like Linus is lying Luke was just brought here by a large stork

Really big stork is an extremely giant stork Okay, where are we what are are we doing? Pick a different topic. Okay. Oh right, we just did this week in AI. All right. Yeah. Did you do any other ones? We just spawned one day? Yeah, like an orc in like Lord of the Rings or something. Yeah, we did a few. We talked about the real page mental collusion thing. I'm starting to collapse them when we finish them. Yeah, I just did that to the AI topic. Pixel watch threes and galaxy rings are unfixable. According to a Google representative,

the company will not offer repairs. I really gotta stop doing that. Pixel watch threes and galaxy rings are unfixable. According to a Google representative, the company will not offer repairs for broken Pixel Watch 3s, only replacements. Replacements for the $350 device are only $49 with Preferred Care Insurance, but that insurance costs $90 for two years of coverage. Notably, both past generations of the Pixel Watch had durability issues especially with the device's screen. In other news iFixit has criticized Samsung's new Galaxy Ring saying that it is unrepairable and 100% disposable as it can only be thrown away once the battery has died. Further it is not

designed to last longer than two years. Alright so All right. So cool. You can have the right to repair it all you want, but if it's just completely unrepairable, then that's not gonna help us much. Meanwhile, Google appears to have a widespread issue where its sales reps are openly suggesting means of subverting Google's own policies to their ad buying clients.

In 2021, Google declared that it would no longer allow ads that targeted teenagers between ages 13 to 18. However, according to a report from the Financial Times, Google staff worked on a marketing project designed to target teenage users on YouTube with ads for Instagram on behalf of Metta. Further, Adweek says that three different ad buyers reported that Google sales reps spontaneously suggested that they target teens simply by choosing the unknown user category, which Google knows is heavily composed of teenagers.

That makes sense. A Google spokesperson acknowledged the issue and stated the company will take measures to reinforce its policies with sales reps. Okay, but that doesn't change anything. Unknown is still going to be that. Yeah. So it's just going to be unspoken. Yeah.

Discussion question, why is it so hard for Google and other, okay, other similar companies to consistently abide by their own policies? It's so hard because they're as big as a city. And you're sending mixed messages. You're telling the sales reps, hey, don't tell the clients they can do this. And then you're telling the sales reps, here's your commission check for selling more. Which one do you think is a stronger incentive here? That's a very difficult thing, I think, for people to understand is when you put certain

things in place, you might be incentivizing employees in ways that you don't necessarily realize and you need to be careful and and think of yourself in that situation and how you Would gain that system that you're in Because I mean we're gonna do that remember I talked about this when we went through our first two rounds of secret shopper with the PC system integrators Where I was like look Dell can tell their representatives all they want you know don't force this on the customer it should be a natural sale but as long as they give them effectively no income and I don't know this for sure but it just seemed from the sales representatives behavior because you can tell a lot about what someone's incentives are

based on their behavior and when you look at modern incomes it's just like almost certainly true. Yeah. The amount of money that people make versus the amount of expenses they have is not adding up. We don't know this for sure, but what we suspect strongly based on the behavior is that they probably weren't compensated a lot

unless they sold it. So no wonder they sold it so hard. And I'm talking about the warranties and the financing. In the last round, they did a fair bit better. So I don't want to harp on it anymore, but it's just illustrative of how you can say anything you want in a training session. But at the end of the day, if financially

you're incentivizing a behavior, you're gonna get that behavior. Should I acknowledge how my arm is slashed up yet? Are we doing these last two topics? I don't know. Dan, what are we doing? Cause we've done two to three. So.

Yeah, I mean, that's just more like the placement of it. I mean, if you want, we've got about 10 minutes till after dark or something like that. So you've got a couple more topics here, finish them off and then we'll move into free chat. Neuralink second patient is dealing out headshots. That's pretty cool. There's another person with Neuralink in them

and it's like doing better. Yep, so good luck everybody. And Chinese RPG developer bans streamers from discussing the Chinese gaming industry. Do you know about this? I do. Okay, yeah. Black Myth Wukong, a single player action RPG

is now the fastest to hit one million concurrent players on Steam after launching on August 20th. However, the game's developer, GameScience, sparked controversy by granting some streamers early access, but also sending a bizarre list of restrictions on how they could talk about the game. Streamers were instructed not to include politics, violence, nudity, feminist propaganda, fetishization, and other content that

instigates negative discourse. They were also told to avoid potential trigger words like quarantine, isolation, and COVID-19. Amazing. The developer also explicitly told them not to discuss anything about China's game industry policies. Like probably the ones that you were just reading. Not everyone who was given early access to the game received these instructions. Mainstream outlets like Polygon and Kotaku received far more standard review embargoes. Discussion question is, is this just a cultural gap or is something far worse going on? I mean, I think the thing

that I had flagged for the team for discussion here was, I think the only difference here, the only reason we're having this conversation is because the quiet part was said out loud. I mean, Chinese, well, more accurately, CCP influence on Western media has been rampant for many, many, many years at this point. Anytime you see a film that has any kind of Chinese backing or Chinese funding behind it. This is straight up just a developed in China game though. This is like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just, but it's effectively, if it's, if it's gaining mainstream appeal in the West,

it's effectively like Western media. No, I just, the thing that you're talking about is like- Give me a sec though. I'll get there. Basically, if you see any kind of Chinese funding going into a film or going into a game, I mean, have you noticed between the 90s and now how rarely the villains of a film are ethnically Chinese? And how often they like travel there or there's like major themes around it or something like

that? Yeah. And it's interesting because it doesn't even necessarily just have to be funding because North American companies are also finding that the Chinese audiences are quite sensitive to in both ways that you could grade sensitivity. So they're also very positively sensitive to you know, if the heroes travel to China, it's much more likely that people will go watch the film. Right. Yeah, like little things like, which is not like it's a different form of it's still sensitivity anyways. But it's, it's they're, they're very reflective to like, is China in a good light or a bad light?

And so these conversations about things that should or should not be included in these films are absolutely taking place in back rooms, over financial deals for backing of the production of media pieces or whatever else. The only difference here is that in this case, it was entirely developed in China with these sensibilities in mind, and reviewers and streamers ended up with sort of the the same kind of guidelines that you might find when you're instead you know scripting your your big budget film or

whatever the case may be. So do I think this is good? No. What is feminist propaganda from the perspective of the CCP? What does that mean? You're wearing a pink shirt, Linus. Yeah, I know, right? Banned. Sure, exactly. You know, what is that?

Banned. Avoiding trigger words like isolation. Like if you want to tell me to avoid a trigger word like, you know, child, okay, sure. Let's avoid that. That is, that has, you know, trauma associated with it. But no, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna ignore a trigger word like quarantine.

That is, that's a thing that happens. Um, we had to quarantine our cats. So that one's, I think it's those ones, I should say the quarantine isolation, COVID-19, those ones like kind of actually do make sense to me because if, if people are just going to like spam the heck out of something when this game is playing, you know, the whole China virus thing is very likely gonna come out. So I think they were just like, let's not do that. Those three, I kinda get it.

Let's not talk about this for a moment. Yeah, I don't know. For me, I can't look at those outside of the, of all the other things that they were told not to talk about. Totally, yep. I hear that. I'm just really isolating, just quarantine, isolation, COVID-19, because it's like,

we're talking about a video game right now. It's particularly stupid to me that for, I'm just a little confused by the whole thing, because my understanding is a lot of blood gets censored in China, in Chinese games. And so yeah, it makes sense that they've got this guidelines to not- Sometimes they turn it white. To not talk about violence.

Which isn't great. Not a good decision. I don't know, it could be good for some people, Luke. I mean, oh man. Oh, it's everywhere. What is it? Ghost ectoplasm? Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

I can't get dancing. Oh, it's everywhere. Yeah, that's great. Anyway. That's what a lot of people say, actually. Anyway, should we be upset about CCP sensibilities making their way into our media and into our culture? Yes.

Yeah. But it's not new, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't continue to be upset about it. And this is why companies like Tencent own a little bit of everything. So that they have a little bit of influence into everything.

Yeah. All right, should we switch to, oh, except us by the way. Yeah. There's absolutely no CCP ownership stake in Linus Media Group or any of its affiliated companies. Let's go. Yeah. So yeah.

F**k CCP. Cool. I mean, for that matter, I'm not a huge fan of So yeah, um, CCP? Cool. I mean for that matter I'm not a huge fan of many national governments. Everything sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Linus is now banned in China. I'm pretty sure Linus and I both gave up on ever going back there again a little while ago. Yes and no, I think I might be over it because it turns out the Michaels were spies, so. Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

Yeah. Stupid Michaels. Yeah, way to go Michaels. Yeah, ridiculous. All you Michaels out there ruining everything for everyone. Yeah. Michaels. My goodness. Michael goodness.

All right. Are we going to talk about your arm? Oh, I think that's an after dark talk. And also after dark it. Yeah, Dan. Did he already? Yeah, we're ready. We're ready for after dark.

We're ready for after dark. Let's do it. Merge the colors. Everything has an app these days. Yeah, I know. It sucks so much. My phone is so slow. Imagine there was just a button. Installing apps takes forever.

I mean, the thing is that I could do that, but then you'd be like, no, I don't spend time on that. Well, no, I'm not saying you make a button. If it came with a button. Hey, there we go. I would have to integrate a button, but yeah, I could mean I can automate all of it. Yeah, don't do that. Yeah, exactly. On it done right or do you want it to have to use an app and it

takes like five seconds? I'm learning how Luke works and I like it. It's good. Okay cat arm hurty blood. Alright So my neighbor texted me and one of her friends had a random cat show up in her shed. And then a bunch more random cats came out of it. And now they have a bunch of random cats. And so she was like, Hey, you guys are like cat psychos. Do you guys want any cats? And I was all, I was all no. And then she was all, this is what they look like. That's rough. And then I was all, maybe. Let me talk to Yvonne. So long story short, I managed to get like

an urgent appointment at my vet. You know, I know someone who knows someone basically. I got like a next day midday appointment because you can't just like adopt random cats. They didn't even know how old they were. So I wanted to know how old they are. Are they ready to be taken away from mum yet? When they're out in the wild, they can have feline leukemia or feline immunodeficiency virus, which is essentially like cat aids. It's pretty common. It's deadly. It's highly infectious. And our cats being indoor cats, do not have it. And so if we introduce it into our household,

they can get it even if they're immunized and it's not perfect. Oh, okay. I will forward this picture to Dan. Yeah, I'll send it to Dan. Give me one second here, guys, and then I'll continue the story. Mr. Besser.

I'm gonna shamelessly steal this from Top Gear 1224, but is this the potential comeback of Linus Cat Tips? No. Okay. So anyway, I got an emergency vet appointment. We arranged with the sellers. They're not selling them. They're giving them away for free because they're just like, yeah, please take these cats away.

They're in our shed. We would like them to not be there. We're going to give them food and water and stuff like we don't want them To die, but we also don't want them to stay here Okay, perfect So anyway, I was in a hurry because oh right right right right so these diseases So I talked to my vet friend. I'm like hey, so hold on hold on Show them now. Yeah, okay, just show them now.

Uh, so there's six. Um, and they are adorable! Very different colors. Well, you know cats can have multiple dads in the same litter, right? No. Oh yeah, cats are super horny. Wow. Yeah, they have orgies.

Um, yeah. I mean, where do you think the furries got the idea? Anywho They had to get it from somewhere it makes sense. Yeah, so so FLB and why we're offering training at smash champs Super deadly and the vaccine should work but might not and so it's better if you just don't bring them into your house. So I was talking to my vet friend I was like okay so like can I bring the ones we want to adopt can I bring them into tests and she goes well they're too little you can't take blood from them they like don't have enough blood which you know from dealing with

birds right it's totally a thing but she was like, but they've been with mom for the last, she thinks they're probably about five weeks old. So we can test mom. So we were on our way and we were in a hurry. We were going to be late for this, like squeezed us in vet appointment. And I was like, I forgot my gloves and a heavy sweater. I had one shot to capture mom. Otherwise she was gonna like take off and I probably wasn't gonna let me anywhere near her again. So I was like, okay, okay, how you doing, how you doing? You seem super chill.

Maybe you were someone's cat at some point until you wandered off and like did this whole kitten thing. Maybe I can just get you and put you in the care oh oh no no okay so basically the inside of my bicep really bad one looks like that now and it's completely my fault because I knew better I was driving past my house and I was like I should stop and I should just go get a heavy sweater and some heavy gloves because, and then I just didn't wanna be late. It ended up costing us more time.

What I ended up doing was it started like savaging me and I was like, okay, Yvonne, open the van, quick, quick, quick, open the van, open the van. And so I jumped in with the cat, huck the cat onto the seat and like slam the van closed. And I was like, okay, you and I, we need to figure this out because you need to go in that carrier. And I need to not have this happen to me again.

Actually my arms not the worst part. The worst part is my hand. Oh yeah. Yeah. I don't know if you can see how swollen my hand is. So before I saw this hand when you first walked up I saw how swollen that hand was yeah I could tell so my it's probably not that obvious from there. I mean it might be Yeah, so my right hand has

probably about a dozen puncture wounds Because I was so is this is it is it like mostly claws on the bicep and then teeth on the hand It's all teeth on the hand. So it was like, nga, nga, nga, nga, nga, nga, nga on my poor hand. And by the time it bit me one time, I was like, well, Yeah. I'm gonna need a tetanus shot.

Yeah. So at this point, what difference does it make? Let it keep chewing. If it bites me once or bites me half a... In for a penny, in for a pound, let's go. Oh man. Because like, I wasn't gonna catch it again. And if I couldn't test it, we couldn't know if we were gonna adopt them, we couldn't...

Like, the whole thing was stalled. I got kids who want kitties. So, I wasn't gonna put it down at that point I was mad dude I was mad they're like did you go to the hospital I got antibiotics yeah I'll say that much yeah yeah yeah that makes sense that makes a lot of sense yep I got antibiotics I got a tetanus shot The vet actually gave me some antiseptic wash. So conveniently, I was headed to a doctor. Not a human doctor, but it turns out

a lot of the stuff's the same. So she had like an antiseptic thing and had me like soak it for a while while I was there. People said your neck is red too, but that just more looks like sunburn or something. No, I'm just a red neck. Yeah. I'm a red neck boy.

I don't think that scratches or anything. Yep. Wow. Please go to the doctor for the bites. Don't worry, I got antibiotics buddy. We good. We good. Yeah, believe it or not, and I know she's not a human doctor, but believe it or not my my vet friend knows a lot about you know cat bites and stuff so yeah she told me what she told me everything I needed to do don't worry don't worry guys I'm fine it's it's a little swollen because some of these are pretty deep yeah this one's pretty deep yeah this one's really deep because it kind of got it on the angle there. And then because I'm a complete f***ing idiot, I went and played badminton like two hours later

for like a couple hours. So man, today when I woke up, I was messed up. Because my body's healing. I got a tennis shot. And all your muscles are... And my muscles were... Dude, I did like... Directly hampers the healing process.

I did one of the hardest training sessions I've done in a while because- Nice. My son's club that he used to train at, I set up the cameras for them and they were having issues with the cameras. And I was like, well, I could come fix your cameras, but it's completely out of my way now

because he's not training there for the summer. So tell you what, why don't you tell me a time when I can come and like train and I'll come fix the cameras at the same time. So it's like at least like you know at least I'm going there for a reason. Sure. Yeah. Right so I went and I trained with their like elite kids that train and like teenagers and stuff. Cool. And I'm a lot older than them. But I'm not gonna like I'm not gonna let these whippersnappers... I'm not that old yet, right? So see, I was going pretty hard for a couple hours and

I got home, I got in the bath and I'm just like, ohhhhh. It turns out that when your muscles have puncture wounds in them, because you actually use the hand a lot for swinging the racket, so when your muscles have a lot of puncture wounds in them, like going really hard with them hurts a lot and it's really achy after, just in case you were wondering. Crystal and Floatplane chat line is I respect you a lot. Dot, dot, how many dots we got in here? Hold on, we got a few dots in here. But oh my f***ing god, that's a whole lot of dumb Sometimes you just got to get her done and then sometimes you also just have to play badminton if this is what it is

Why tetanus? Puncture I haven't had one in a while I can't remember when my last tetanus shot was anytime you get like a puncture wound you want to get get yourself a tetanus Shot if you're if you're not up to date As for rabies, I talked to the vet about it. She's basically like, okay, like yes, but also that cat would have had to be bit by a rabid bat. And like it would have had to happen so recently that symptoms haven't developed. And also she just gave birth to a healthy litter and has no symptoms, because she asked us about that. And so like, yeah, I don't know, make sure that you don't have rabies symptoms, but you're probably fine. Start foaming at the mouth.

Yeah. We'll take care of it. Yep. Yup. I think we are officially in After Dark once we're done responding to comments about this. No, we're in After Dark now. Yeah, but like, merch messages wise. Put the things purple. And it's brought to you by PIA VPN.

Head to piavpn.com slash laniswan for a special deal. Luke, what are you talking about? Yeah. It's After Dark. Maybe I have rabies. Yeah, you could be the one with rabies. I might need to go get checked. You didn't want any water earlier.

Well, if you bite me, we can go get treated for rabies together. Oh, I had two for one deal. See, look, man after dark. There we go. Get wrecked. We need a cat scratch shirt. Dude, like a bloodstain.

Dude, I was actually wearing my other one of these and it's got like blood stains all down the side of it. I was bleeding pretty good, as you'd probably probably imagine give it to fashion and have them like embroider that onto a shirt if it was like a long-sleeve shirt that had the slashes it would probably look kind of sick are you being hit with all the goth girls that would be sick true oh man well plane chat wants to know when super checks is coming back maybe when Luke stops being a p***y. I thought you were going to say when he gets good.

I mean, that's an option, too. That's a bit of a problem as well. But I have to, it's another medicine night for the birds. This is the second last one. I know, I know. Tomorrow is the last day. The last couple of times, I beat him pretty bad. And Luke's mad because I started watching the tape.

Dude! It wasn't it wasn't a stream for you guys it was a ploy to allow Linus to do homework. He did the thing where like you know how like you go to your friends place on the first day that they buy Smash Bros and it's all fun to play together and then you come back over a month later and they've spent the whole last month just playing so they're really good. And then you play them and it's like, this isn't fun anymore.

We had this like decent back and forth for a long time. He was better than me, but I would win sometimes. It was all right. And then we played on a stream and he watched the tape and studied it. I'm not gonna do that. There's grass to go touch. It was like-

It's so complicated. Dude. Yeah. There's grass to go touch. That is so complicated. He's so competent at just learning a thing and then just destroying other people at it. No, no, see that's not the thing. Usually it's this guy. I almost always beat him the first two times we do something. He picks it up and gets to a level, right? After that it's not even fun anymore because he absolutely slays me. Superchex is like the one game that I No, not the one game. It's not as bad as Linus describes. He's better at this stuff than he tries to claim. It's pretty bad

Dude, Disc Jam? Hahaha, Disc Jam was my game dude. I wish that took off a little bit. Diss Jam was pretty even for like maybe the first five games we played and then after that I got completely f***ed. Like completely. Like dude I didn't even have a barrel to bend over. It was just me and the ground. There was a, we played on the, the night before your, oh, yeah, why not? The night before your birthday. Yeah, yeah.

We played tape to tape and you crushed. Well, yeah, but you were, dude, you were so disinterested. I don't think I've seen anyone that disinterested since like- That game one v one does not interest me. Yvonne's usually interested. Oh, that's I mean, that's good. And you have no experience, you have no experience like playing single player hockey games.

No. And so between tape to tapes logic for passing player control being a little funky, being a little funky, and also me having hours and in, it's been a while, but NHLPA 93. It's been a long while. NHLPA 93. It's been like your whole life almost. Yeah but I have like hours and hours and hours and hours of playing like top-down view hockey game. Right. Where like, it's like if someone played 250, 350 hours of Quake 2, you know, and you drop them in an FPS against someone who didn't do that as a kid. Johnny is still ridiculously good at Quake.

Exactly, like it's, it's just like, it's natural for me. Whereas like you've obviously not done that. So. What did we play afterwards? Oh yeah. I guess we're not really allowed to talk about that. Yeah, we played that game that you're not allowed to talk about,

but then some writer for The Verge talked about it and then people were mad. Yeah. So we played that game. We played that game. And wait, yeah, we're not allowed to talk about it now. Connor Linfoot says you can talk about it now. It's public now. Oh, okay. Well, I don't personally enjoy it. Yeah. It seems like it's it's you know, it's probably a good game. Oh,

yeah, I'm sure it's a great game. For incredibly sweaty people. Yeah, yeah. Which is cool. I'm just, I'm at a, I'm at a, you get to a point where you become an old dog at some point and new tricks. I'm not gonna learn all these champions. I'm not gonna learn all these builds.

I'm not gonna learn where all the shops are and there's this underground thing and where that pops up and how to know if someone's flanking you. I'm not gonna learn the best meta for exactly the right place to farm creeps or whatever else, whatever the common terminology is now for creep farming.

Denials and blah blah blah. I'm sitting here going, I'm not gonna know every support matchup on my team and who should be paired up in which lanes. know when I see a particular hero on the other side calling out to my team just Which whatever like I'm I think it's worse that it's not gonna happen for like three or four months if if I was one of the most fun times to play a game is When it first hits early access or whatever and nobody nobody has played it before. But it was very clear. We jumped into, I think, two rounds total.

Two or three? Two. And it was very clear that not only were there players on the other team that had been playing this for months, like months, like knew everything. When we were sitting here coming in knowing nothing. How do we get on the, how do we jump on the rail thing? In fairness, I didn't play the tutorial, so that probably doesn't help. But,

but either way, it was clear there was more of a gap than that. Not only that, but it was very clear that our team was getting queued up against groups of people that had been playing for months. Yeah, yeah. In both games that we played, we didn't have a single lane that won and there was not a lot of cross lane ganking going on. Yeah. Like Luke and I, in our second game, we were actually completely holding the line in the middle.

We were doing fine. In the stats screen at the end of the game, we actually won the lane by a little bit. But then just got rolled because, oh yeah, I remember looking at the stats for that. Buddy who was feeding so hard. We had two people that had zero kills each and both were in double digits for deaths. One of them had died, I think like 15 times or something. One person on their team alone, Justin Killingblows had like around 20, I think. And that guy was just untouchable. It's ridiculous. I don't know.

And the snowballing in that game seems pretty intense from what I can tell. And it's one of those things where I understand from like a like a toxic community perspective. You don't want to make it easy for people to abandon matches. So you want to penalize that kind of stuff. But in that game, at least the couple of rounds that we played, it was so obvious within like seven minutes who was going to win. And then the rest of it just feels like going through the motions because once you are leveled up a little higher, you have more souls or whatever the terminology is.

I don't care. I'm old. I'm going to hide behind that excuse. You know, once you are, once you're a little ahead, closing the gap seems really hard because the creeps are basically useless. Like they don't do any damage. The towers are also useless.

And the towers also seem pretty useless. I don't love the towers being useless. That's a weird one to me. And I can understand why for like a high level of competitive play, like for professional play, making it very heroes versus heroes, like the creeps in the towers are probably not going to be much of a factor at that level anyway. But the towers are supposed to be area denial. It's not it's

supposed to be for like five minutes. Yeah, yeah. And then they don't matter. And then they just don't matter at all. But like, look, my only experience playing MOBAs is back when Dota was a mod for Warcraft 3. And so for me, I remember early game until you're like very powerful, like going near the tower is basically a way to lose a 1v1, essentially. Yeah, PanBish in full-plane chat said, you just need to play the game to learn it. That's a false impression that you cannot learn it. Dota was the same. It's a really complicated from the start and have a really high entrance ceiling.

You're not old. You just don't have time. That's what we're saying. Yeah. I don't have time. His I'm old is I have other things going on. And I'm just saying it in a really nice other than high school and video games. Just to be like transparent about what he's saying. We understand that. We understand it's the time. It's like I said at the beginning, it's probably really fun. It's just, it's going to take investment because there's a lot of heroes out of the gate. And yeah, I do like there's this system that I didn't know about where like when you're trying to buy items, I find the items in that game to be pretty bland and boring, especially with the colouring of the tiles and the very

standard icons and stuff like that. Right. But you can view community builds in game and they have ratings. You can just take the like highest rated community build and just use that, which is, that's kind of cool. That's helpful. And they can have like notes on them of like, buy this if you're getting wrecked by some tank. And it's that's kind of cool. That's helpful. And they can have like notes on them of like, buy this if you're getting wrecked by some tank. And it's like, okay, cool. I think that's pretty neat, but it's still like, yeah, I don't know.

It'll be really good for people that spend tons of time on it. Just like League was, just like Dota was, all that type of stuff. But I just, the thing is like, I, when I play video games, I have a couple hours to jump in, and then probably some child will fall

and scrape their knee or something. Like I don't have a, or like, dude, this week I was technically on vacation or whatever. I got called into Smash Champs like six times, because we're getting really close to the end of construction And the lighting guys were in the flooring guys way and then the flooring guys Left like just left Which I understand because I don't even blame them but like

Then the lighting guys engineer they had to like fire their engineer because he wouldn't sign off on the thing even though they like did it, like it's fine. So we had to like find a new one and then we found a new one but then he wanted them to add a whole bunch more seismic cables. And then the flooring guys ended up in the way of the lighting guys because they like left and the lighting guys started going

and then the lines weren't in place for them to put things. So I've been, dude dude I've been on site probably somewhere between half a dozen and a dozen times this week just like smoothing things over getting people to talk to each other like just yeah it's been really stressful um and a bunch of people have contacted me from here as well because they need various things. I've been doing, ever since about a year ago, I've been doing QA for almost every, the vast majority of LTT videos. And it's like, I know I'm on vacation, but I think I'm still just going to do QA. I've ended up catching a lot of stuff over the last little while, more stuff than should,

and we're working on processes and everything but I was just like no I uh we do need to fix that. Yeah but in the meantime I think I'm just gonna I'm gonna be a final check and things to still get through from time to time because believe it or not I'm not perfect but yeah and things will get through to you from time to time as well, but less should less should ideally So yeah, there's been a lot. There's been a lot going on this week, man It's been it's been crazy, but it really really does feel like yeah This one fly it landed on my nose and my nose is so itchy nose driving. It really does feel like we are Extremely close. It's been really interesting seeing the occasional,

like actually not even occasional, the pretty frequent like haters, especially on any videos about Smash Champs, talking about how it's like the stupidest thing ever and like do people even play badminton? I'm just like, you guys have no idea. It's gonna, the number of people that have approached us just randomly, like at the the kids school just walked up and been like hey I heard I'm sorry. Who are you? I heard you're gonna have Dude, it's gonna be it's gonna be crazy and the facilities coming together really nice We actually have a video coming soon Dan helped co-host it and Jake was there and a couple of the smash guys Sort of demoed stuff like Raj there there, he's the only guy who knows

how to use the vending machine. So I'm like, okay, Raj, show us how to use the vending machine. And I don't mean like how to buy something. Yeah, I know, I assume. But like he knows how to like load it and program the items and stuff. It's like just stuff I never thought about, right?

And then Jake found the system for managing all of the Android based TVs. So they're just TCL because Dan ran the numbers and it was gonna cost us. Let me see if I can find it. Yeah, if you can find, basically he'll bring it up in a sec, but he was basically like, yeah, so we could buy commercial displays

or we could just buy these TCL TVs from Costco and we could replace them every year for X number of years and that would be the same price. So we bought a bunch of TCL TVs from Costco and then we're sideloading this like management app on them and Jake got it. Jake got it playing crab rave across all of the ones in the concession area When he was like goofing around with the CMS, so that's in the video we're gonna have a full video on the audio setup just because We talked about the audio setup with Dante in one of the earlier updates and you guys were all like

And so Dan has put a ton of work into reconfiguring and then making some changes to the space to allow it to be like an actual like, butt thumper of an audio setup. Like we're not gonna have subwoofers or anything like that. But it's gonna cut, if we do a LAN and we decide to put on the music for like, you know, a floor game or something like that, I think we can get it going pretty decent in there. Like, I'm, I'm kind of excited. They're not big, they're not powerful, but there's a lot of

speakers. Like, on the one side down, there's what, like 10 speakers or something like that? I think four, seven, eight, 12. Yeah, 13 speakers aside. Yeah, which is like, it's a big space. It's like 20,000 square feet, but that's a lot of speaker too. And a lot of small speakers can actually have a pretty good effect. So yeah, dude, I'm excited. It was $18,500 in TV.

So you could replace every single TV in the building every year for five years. Yeah. That's ridiculous. To be fair, they are professional level TVs the building every year for five years. Yeah. That's ridiculous. To be fair, they are professional level TVs, so they would last 30 years. Sure. Maybe. One of them breaks.

Yeah, but you're not even gonna want it. Now you're out of, yeah, you don't want it for 30 years. You're not gonna want the same TV for that long anymore. Exactly. Exactly. And if one of those TCLs breaks in four years, we can rip them all down, sell all the ones that aren't working anymore, get all new ones and they'll be new.

Or the thing is, say somebody breaks one of them, right? Falls off the wall. You go to Costco, you have a new TV in an hour, a four week lead time from some professional company, right? Yeah. So maybe we'll regret it at some point when our TVs are dying left and right or whatever else, or maybe we won't, we'll see how it goes.

Yeah, unless they do. Most TVs are fine, I don't know. Yeah, exactly. Unless they die. I mean, you saw ratings this thing, finding all the TVs that were burning out at the bottom. Maybe we'll run them not too bright. Actually, Dan, can you make a note for the team

to set them pretty dim? Yeah. Actually, that's probably an idea. note for the team to set them pretty dim? Yeah. Actually, that's probably an idea. Thanks, ratings. Yeah. Appreciate it. All right, what else we got today? We got some merch messages.

Merch massagios. Heck yeah, let's do it. Merch. Merch messages. Oh wait, did I say which kitties we're getting? What? I don't know, the one with the babies or not. Well, I think we just assumed it was all of them.

No, we're taking two. Where are the kitties? They're gone. They're in the dock. Okay, so we're taking, not this one, one of the orange ones. He's a sweetheart, he's really adventurous. So when we went over there, he came out

and was poking around and coming to see us. And when we him up, he's like not shaking or anything. Just totally fearless Quite a character and then I think we're gonna take this guy How do you think your currently existing cats are gonna react to this? Um, I mean Dash is probably gonna be a little pissed off more I've already dealing with yeah too many noodle kind of does his own thing so I think he like might not even notice that much. And then Brownie is just, I mean, he's like, he gives zero Fs about anything. Like when we introduced the boys to Dash

when we rescued them from the yard, like Dash was all like, you know, doing cat stuff. And he's just like Hello want to be friends are like are we friends now like he just Completely oblivious to her signals that she was not interested in being friends So yeah, she just doesn't care yeah, we're gonna have five cats That's a lot And then bringing these guys on as a pair they'll have each other at the very least so it should be fine That's a lot. Oh my goodness.

And then bringing these guys on as a pair, they'll have each other at the very least so it should be fine. Litter mates do tend to hang together as they as they grow up together, like if they if they stay together so we would, I wouldn't say never but we would, I wouldn't say never, but we would, we wouldn't prefer to like take one cat at a time if we can avoid it. That makes sense, bring a buddy. Merch massage? Sure.

This one's actually for you, Luke. Has Final Fantasy VI coming along? Yeah, Luke! You know. I know, but I want them to... I played last night. I needed a break, so I jumped on the Vigima game, and it was actually really fun. I did the opera scene, and it was... I was very surprised, because I expected it to not be an actual opera and then I had to play an opera. When, when, uh, what's his name? Oh, I don't know. I don't remember his name. But when what's his name is like, you should probably read

the thing again before you go up on stage. I was like, uh-oh. Setser. Sensor? Setser? Oh, did they change the name from the original translation? No, no, no, no, no. No, his name is Setser, but that's not the person who says this line. Oh, does he not say? Oh, no, it's Locke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's Locke, Locke, Locke. Whatever. All of that was way too similar. Locke is like, yeah, you need to like read the thing for the play before you go up. And I was like, oh, okay, I like sorta got it.

I don't know, am I actually supposed to remember this? And then I got like booed off stage because I got it wrong. And I was like, really? Actually? I had to go through it again. And I made it the second time, but like, dang. And now I serious business. Yeah, we did. And it takes it seriously. And you like have to get it right.

But it feels appropriate because the scene is like really good. And the song's actually like pretty good. And the singing is pretty good. And everything's like, wow, this is actually like, kind of nice. So I like do want to do it justice. It doesn't even feel tedious. So that was kind of cool. And then you know, got the airship and we're over on the other place. And then I looked through the town that's there that's like under occupation and stuff. And then that was about all that I got done and saved it. So I'm out of the like weird

everybody lies town. Yeah, that's started in that session. Finished that place, got to the opera, finished the opera, now I'm in the next place. I have no idea how far into the game I am. I feel like I've played it a ton but I feel like I'm like probably not that far. It's a great game. It's yeah it's my favorite Final Fantasy. Every time I load it up I have a good time. Every single part of the game has been good. There's been parts that I don't like as much as other parts but they've all been at least good. It's pretty solid. I would be interested to hear your take because you're playing... he's playing the pixel remaster. So the opera scene is completely redone compared to the original SNES version.

So this is what it looks like on the Super Nintendo. I don't need audio for this, Dan. Okay. Yeah. So this is just gameplay. So blah, blah, blah. It's pretty... This looks...

It's pretty basic. There's no there's no singing Oh really? Yeah, they did they did they did a really incredible job of the Particularly remastering the opera scene because it's such a famous part of this game. It's such a beloved part of this game I've heard they did a great job For me, I mean- It's honestly, like this is cool, the Pixel Remake one's better. This'll always be the version I played.

Totally, totally. I respect that. And so, you know, I think it'd be hard for me to- Have you seen the Pixel Remake version? I have, it's really cool. It would be hard for me to enjoy that as much. I already said it, but I respect that. I've never played the game before, so like looking at this, yeah, I prefer said it but I respect that. I've never played the game

before so like looking at this yeah I prefer the one that I just did. I think for you to go back and try to play the original SNES version would be hard. Probably. I think it'd be like. I don't think it would be that hard. It's not that dramatically different. It's different but like I mean this part it's like basically the same. I Mean this is dancing. Yeah, this is how it looks in the pixel remaster though other than the clipping through the model It's basically the same thing Okay, like they don't they don't try to make it look like not a SNES game to be honest They try to stay pretty true to form like where's the it's a it's a fancy snus

It's the stage parts though the stage it's a fancy SNES game. It's the stage parts though. The stage parts look so much better in the Pixel Remaster. The part of you, that makes sense, cause I remember looking and noticing the like 3Dness of the stage and my brain was like, wow, I can't believe they did this back then and then I realized that they probably didn't.

Like dude, this looks night and day. Oh yeah, it's better, but like, I don't know. I don't mind the old SNES graphics, but I do, I prefer this one. This part is probably the most dramatic difference. Not even just because of the torches. Like this is, this looks great. The lighting and stuff is really nice. And there is actually singing and it's like really good.

But yeah, wait, go to the dancing part. It's like, do do do do. Like it's- I mean that is what it's like really good. Yeah, wait, there's no singing the dancing. It's like Like it's that is what she sounds like So they actually played pretty if that's the tone they stayed pretty true to form without it sounds go to that go to the dancing part though like they didn't like Where's he at? Oh No, hold on. They don't show the ending. He's skimming on his own computer. Yeah, sorry guys. I don't see, I don't see any dancing. It really brings out the feeling from the original one. Yeah, like they, it doesn't, if I saw both scenes, I wouldn't be like, oh my god, it's completely different.

It's, it's definitely different. Like, yeah, I don't know. That looks a little more like dancing than the other one sure But they're still just sort of like circling around each other and stuff and then he turns into flowers. Yeah, I Thought it was a flesh orb. I was very concerned Of course it to a ball of meat Of course. Yeah, this wasn't gameplay. This was an art thing And so I immediately realized that it didn't make any sense. But yeah, it's one of those things where I think I've told you my new barometer for how

well something holds up is trying to enjoy it through my kids. And so, you know, Austin Powers, terrible. Yep. They did not enjoy it at all. Between the just kind of like the crudeness of it, the way that culturally we've like moved on, and how like a lot of the humor is so reliant on 90s pop culture, like just nothing.

Whereas like some of my other sort of beloved childhood crappy movies like, you know, Happy Gilmore, Major Pain, they've held up a lot better. Like through my, you know, preteen son, I can, you know, enjoy it, cause a lot of enjoying a movie, especially like a, you know, bad movie, like a B movie, a lot of it is the crowd, the group, of enjoying a movie, especially like a bad movie, like a B movie, a lot of it is the crowd, the group, like enjoying it together, right?

For sure. I don't think he would be able to easily enjoy the original version compared to how gorgeous the remaster looks. Oh, but if he never sees the remaster? Because I'm wondering if this is because I just remember and like SNES graphics, or if it's actually fun.

I think that's a good part of it. Because I never played it, but I remember and enjoy like RPG maker and SNES style graphics, I don't mind those. I'm gonna have to make you play Nine next. Yeah, sure. Nine is almost, so I don't know if you guys, the background here is he's only ever played Final Fantasy 8. Yep. Which is like oh my

god. Great game. Squall, dude. Gunblades. Dude I made it like. Let's go. I made it like an hour in and I was like this is garbage. I'm done. Right at the beginning dueling his friend. Yeah I couldn't even. That friend becomes a great enemy within the game. I couldn't even. Imagine you could shoot bullets out of your sword? Dude, people were... man. So sick. My... I don't know why, but my like my Final Fantasy takes are either like, yeah brother, or like, heresy. All I said, all I said in a previous video was that Final Fantasy VII was overrated, and someone launched into me. like about how wrong I was. And I was like, right. But you putting it on this pedestal is exactly my point. I didn't say it wasn't revolutionary.

I didn't say that it wasn't good. Next time you write something that long, go outside and stand in the grass for at least five minutes and then see if you still feel that way. I said it was overrated. That's all I said. And it's reasons. It almost certainly is considering the amount of people. It's reasons for being overrated make a lot of sense. It was the first one that was a breakout hit

in North America. So that's a big part of it. Another big part of it was that it was for one of the best-selling consoles of all time. A ton of people played. For a ton of people. Was it PlayStation 1? For a ton of people. It was their first exposure to the series. So there's your three factors. The nostalgia factor,

the fact that it was sold so well because it was for one of the best-selling consoles of all time, and the fact that it was the first one to be a real breakout hit in North America. The first... The one and three are kind of related. But that's why people are so, so into it. And so you go back and play it. Dude, the plot sucks. You basically just go to the point where like, we think he might be there or whatever, and

then he's not. And then you just like do it again. And then you do it again. You're just like chasing Sephiroth around for 60 hours. Essentially, yeah, it's a Mario plot and it's freaking boring, I'm sorry. But it was also a great time for that type of plot because it was super emo, wasn't it?

Yeah. And emo culture was huge. But a big part of the reason that I didn't like it that much was because I had just played six. And so I was like, oh, okay, well seven's gonna be just as good. Writing in six is fantastic. It's really good. But did it have Blitzball?

No. Worst FF. I did like ten. He's gonna come over here and strangle me. Okay, maybe not. I did like ten. No, I liked ten. But when, but 10 gets a little, that's when things start going off the rails

a little bit plot-wise. Like, it's like, I don't know, no spoilers or anything, but like. Yeah, what is happening in that entire game? What even, so like. The whole time. So you're alive, but then... You... what? But the...

But the time is... what year is it? Like, what are you even talking about? I don't know, man. Up next, Merch message number two of fifteen. Gun blades are objectively cool. You're just wrong. They're stupid. Final Fantasy VIII was great.

You don't need a sword if you have a gun. It's the worst part of both of them. It's a revolver, what if you run out of ammo? But you don't need a sword if you have a gun. It's the worst part of it's a revolver What if you run out of ammo, but you throw it and why not? One at the same time, how do you support it in this universe? Someone can live through many blows What if you could just hit them twice a bigger one time with bullets larger magazine? Anyway, it's ward six and nine and then just play chain decos Anyway, six and nine, and then just play Chain Deco's. Like, don't even bother with other Final Fantasy games. Do I wait until nine gets its own pixel remaster,

or is it even, how old is nine? It's got a PC version. You know what, there's- As long as it has a PC version, that's honestly- Hold on, where's that upscale mod? Um, on Final Fantasy... Nine. How long until we have real-time AI upscales for these games the Final Fantasy 9 ups. Yeah, this was recent August 14th

So a week ago the Final Fantasy 9 upscale mod got a surprise update after three years including a full rework of the backgrounds 120fps ultra wide and you know, that's awesome Love seeing that this flies gonna be the bane of my existence. Okay. It's been bothering me, too Yeah, let's have a look here. So where's that? Does anyone have any pre and post? Play them all I don't have that looks pretty good for a PlayStation one game Yeah, that is a PC gamer keep up to date. Yeah, thank you Many visual bug fixes what What else we got here? Yeah, I would say the PC version with the McGurry mod looks like a pretty strong candidate

Yeah, so there's some different Not sprites, but for the yeah characters. There's some kind of different styles that you can use. And what's nice about playing the PC version is it has some quality of life stuff. Like you can just, if you're done grinding a stupid boss, you can just be like, okay, every attack does 9,999 damage. I don't think you would probably prefer to cheese it like that.

But that is a cool feature. You can also like walk at double speed, which was not available in the original PlayStation 1 version. Yeah, it's pretty nice. I'm not having that problem in 6 actually. Things don't really feel that far away. Well just equip your sprint shoes and then you're good. Although it is a waste of an item slot, of a relic slot, which I always found really

frustrating. One of my 8 relic slots that I get to carry if I want to not walk at a snail's pace everywhere do you use sprint shoes I just walk in the snow space because I don't want to give up the advantage but things aren't that far yeah yeah travel distance actually hasn't really been that big of a dip oh man I mean Dan I'm so far in the game I need a pole Final Fantasy 6 equip sprint shoes or don't are they still called sprint shoes in the pixel remaster like I'm talking Because I don't cuz running shoes and sprint shoes are not the same thing Running in the original translation running shoes are

perpetual haste and sprint shoes just make you walk faster on the overworld, so Now Dan's gonna work on a poll for the Floatplane audience, in the meantime, why don't we do a quick merch message here? Okay, poll's up. Hi, LLD, as a main... Why can't I see this poll? Am I, is it something to do with the way that...

Did I do it wrong? No, no, no, I'm sure you did it right, I just, I don't see it, is there... I don't see it on mine either, refresh. I can see it on this one, refresh the page. Oh, it appeared when I refreshed. Oh, okay. Well, I'll refresh the page. Cool. I see it now. Oh, I wonder if that's a bug because I don't think that used to be a thing. It probably is. Open a ticket! I mean, sorry. Sorry, reflex. Probably not gonna fix it right now. Cool. Because the live section of the site that I'm so, so happy we made needs to receive

basically more work than anywhere else, despite it being the thing that we use the least, which is awesome. So sometimes I don't actually want us to just only ever work on features for the live stream. Nice. Sometimes we need to work on other things. It's kind of, I know, a little weird. Leave it alone. But that's fine.

Apparently this is very controversial though. 56% say sprint shoes. There are many games. 44 say barefoot. There are many, many games where I have taken disadvantages in order to move faster because it's boring and annoying. I have not had that problem so far in six because everything's pretty close. My problem has not had that problem so far in six because

everything's pretty close. My problem has never been I need to get there quicker because oh my god this this is taking a long time. It has fairly often been where the heck am I supposed to go? That's an old game. Yeah. There's no... Yeah and I don't want to look up guides and stuff. So I'm actually just like you know okay I have no idea what I'm supposed to do but I'm actually just like, you know, okay, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do, but I'm in this village So I guess I'll just talk to everyone like I'm doing that. Yeah Which is how I would have played the game. So I'm trying to do it old school RPG style, but when you're doing that like it's it's four steps to the next person. Yeah, I don't really care It's it doesn't feel like travel distance is actually a problem. At least not yet. Maybe it becomes one

It might affect you a little bit later. Yeah. Yeah. I don't feel like I'm there yet. Shrug. I don't know what we're voting on. I just picked. Have you played the game more than once? Oh yeah. That might also be part of it. Dude. I've never seen any of this before. I've played, I played the world of balance probably like 10 times and I finished the game two or three times so like take that for what it is. You're also seeing these areas for like the 10th time. Yeah they're still awesome. Yeah but I've never seen them I'm just exploring through it like if I go play Morrowind I'm not taking my time. Yeah 40 bottles of skooma and you're right at the end. The scroll of whatever the Scroll of whatever the jumping- I love the uncapped.

Yeah, uncapped maximums in that game. Oh, I have a philosophical question for you. Got it. What is the right thing to do as someone who has never played Skyrim, Okay. but who has played Oblivion? If I don't get around, hold on, hold on.

If I don't get around to doing either of those things until the Skyblivion mod is out. What, what, what, what? You gotta let me finish the question for the people, Luke. I'm so confident. I didn't hear what Luke said anyway. Yeah, exactly. So continue. Okay, so if the Skyblivion mod comes out,

which is Oblivion remade in the Skyrim engine, which game should I play? I've played Oblivion back when it came out. I have never played Skyrim. Which game should I play? The completely new game Skyrim in the Skyrim engine, or the game I've already played in the Skyrim engine? Skyblivion. Why? Because there are changes that have been made, not just aesthetic ones. They're not major, but they have made changes. It's also been a really long time and I think even just viewing the technical feat that is what they have done by making Skyblivion is going to be enough. It's not just a Pixel remaster where they've changed, you know

Maybe the opera scene like looks a little bit different and stuff They've even changed certain items not to break the game or anything, but they've noticed like oh this quest reward is just like It's not that interesting. So they like made it better. They fixed certain quests. They like did- But I've already played Oblivion essentially. Yeah, but this is like Oblivion better. But I've never played Skyrim.

And isn't that kind of a cultural, you know, gamer game? Yeah, like have you played Half-Life 2? Literally all of the reasons why you said Final Fantasy VII was overrated, all of them apply and probably more to Skyrim. You think so? You don't think Oblivion was the one that went mainstream? Because I don't know. Like was Oblivion available on console? Oh, yeah, but Morrowind was. Okay. It's id, right? Like it's the same pedigree as id. They've been around forever.

Parent company thing going on yeah it's its own thing but still what about skywind skywind is not getting as much attention as skyblivion is so I don't know if it's gonna come up like the reason we're talking about skyblivion is because skyblivion is coming out next year and is getting like like next year's not that far away now and it's looking real notice it's looking real it's looking real gooda is coming out next year and is getting like, like next year is not that far away now. I don't know if you guys have noticed. And it's looking real. It's looking real.

It's looking real good. It's coming out next year and there's lots of updates coming. It's hitting fast. I actually believe they're gonna launch next year. They still need help. If you wanna go apply to help volunteer, fantastic. But yeah, there's, I would play that one.

I think, I know a lot of people really love Skyrim. I think if Skyrim is the first Elder Scrolls game that you play, that's awesome. Right. Enjoy it. I'm really happy you had a great time. If you've come from Oblivion or Morrowind, I think you're gonna be disappointed. I think the thing with Skyrim was,

I don't actually think that I know anyone that played like Morrowind and Oblivion that is like, Skyrim's great. Literally anyone. Yeah, I was going to say. Yeah. Because Skyrim was so popular. It was, but it was popular with people that have never played those games before. Yeah, it's like the most, every single game that they make gets a little bit more cut down, a little bit more mainstream, and a little less Patrick Stewart, and you know... Yeah, I was blown away when I was like...

Yeah, I know, right? Every time. I think what they should do is they should remake Skyrim in the Oblivion engine. I don't know, the Oblivion engine is pretty janky. All of their engines are pretty janky, but yeah. I'm excited to see what the next one's gonna bring. And if that's just Starfield in a forest, then I'm gonna be very sad. A little less Patrick Stewart getting a 90-page Bible for his character that dies in the tutorial. I absolutely love that. Yeah. I don't know if it's ever been corroborated, but I'm gonna just believe that forever. Yeah, me too.

It's just part of who I am. Okay, well, fine. I guess it'll be Skyblivion then. Nice. Eh, based. Eh, good choice. Okay. It's like, yeah, I even felt that that way and because Dan just kind of echoed this

I felt that way going from Morrowind to oblivion like ah this feels cut down They took a lot of features out all that kind of stuff But then I really enjoyed oblivion because a fantastic game and then I played Skyrim and I was just like yeah I played I tried to play Morrowind after playing oblivion as my first one And I was like this is needlessly obtuse. That's gonna be really rough. Yeah. It's the like. And it looks like ass.

It sure does. It looks real bad. Yeah. But like the feature cut down to Skyrim is big. And there's really good solid beats with Skyrim. There's really, there's parts of it that are fantastic. It's just, it's not as good. And iconic, right? It's gonna be, it's parts of it that are fantastic. It's just, and iconic, right? It's going to be, it's part of the culture now, I think. Like it's very influential, but I don't know. Yeah,

Skyrim, there's just less like role-playing opportunities. Like in Morrowind, it was, I don't know, you spend an hour making your character and then you forget, you did it wrong, so you just die as soon as you get off the boat. You can't carry your clothes. Load safe game? Oblivion was happy middle ground, right? I kind of feel that way. Oblivion feels like the most approachable, best version of it, if that makes sense.

It feels the most dated out of the three. Compared to Morrowind? Yeah, because Morrowind feels like it was a billion years ago. Oh, I see. So you mean like- And Oblivion feels like, oh. It wasn't that long ago, but- That looks like the graphics from three years ago,

even though it was way longer than that. Do you know what I mean? Okay. Like Oblivion to me feels the most dated out of the three of them. That's an interesting take. I see where you're going with the three of them. That's an interesting take. I See where you're going with that. Yeah, that's an interesting to the bloom was real on oblivion. Oh, yeah Oh, we got bloom. Let's go

And a facial animation how much bloom do you want? Yes Looking I'm just I'm just scrolling through screenshots right now. It's just like look at this shield looking I'm just I'm just scrolling through screenshots right now and just like look at this shield yeah I remember that yeah yeah see what I mean with that that looks like it was from a time period yeah or Morrowind looked like it was for four dudes and made some pixels like look at the like glowing marble in the back yeah like how white the tops of that is. Yeah. That was a brutal thing about this game. One thing that really killed it for me is I really, really liked the like factions and guilds in Morrowind and that absolutely still felt like a really, really strong part of the game in Oblivion.

And then in Skyrim it was like, just join all of them. Yeah, it started kind of falling join all of them. Yeah, it started kind of falling off a little bit. They, we didn't seem as interesting. The storylines didn't seem that great. Like the, the dark brotherhood storyline in Oblivion is like one of the best in a video game ever. Um, and then you do the dark brotherhood quest line in Skyrim and it's like, I did the mage one and it was like, oh, you went on an adventure.

Now you're king of the mages Also, you're in the dark brotherhood in the thieves guild and all the rest of them and there's no problems Whatever you're just fine Yeah Go run around and then and then you you see the natural progression of that in starfield and it's just like none of it matters You'll be done the entire quest chain for this group of people in like four quests and then you have starfield will never affect anything Ever again, so I got that in Skyrim after like 20 30 hours and then in starfield it was our four I was like, oh, I know what this game is. I Yeah, it seems like that's one of the reasons why I like oblivion a lot

Despite being a mainline Morrowind fanboys because you never feel that more with you also never feel that in oblivion And then like you said 30 hours ish in Skyrim. you start to feel that. And then, yeah, Starfield is just... Yeah, you get through like one of the quest lines for a guild and you start another one and it's just... Yeah. Yeah. It's over now. Yeah. Shall we do a second merch message? What about second merch message? I do have to be home for night tonight. Oh, what a guy. So I need to go pretty soon. So let's try to power through some of these.

What a guy. Oh, KeyDoki. The birds miss. Hi, LLD. As a mainframe software engineer, I sometimes- Storage engineer. Sorry, as a mainframe storage engineer, I sometimes am sad that the skills I learn at my job

can't be used in a hobby. Proprietary IMBZ- No, IBM. said that the skills I learn at my job can't be used in a hobby. Proprietary IMB Z's. IBM. I-M-B. No, I know, but they mean IBM. I mean IBM. Okay, I figured.

IBM Z software and code mostly. Have you had similar situations? I can make second guess myself here. I don't know. I'm more into management and that's honestly kind of helpful all over the place. Yeah. It's amazing how similar managing employees is to raising kids. So I guess a lot of the skills that I work on at work are also good at home. I mean, it's just people, it's people interaction. I don't mean that in like a condescending way. I just mean that it's

it's people, people interaction. So yeah, no, no, not really. And I mean, I kind of turned my hobby into a job. So I think, yeah, I'm sorry to hear that. But also, good for. If it was positive till you know What's that copy pasta? That's too long I didn't read it, but I'm sorry that happened to you or congrats yeah, yeah something like that It's better written. I ain't reading all that. I'm happy for you though Or sorry that happened. Yeah. Anyway, carry on. Okay. Howdy, LLD. Linus, how is your G915 holding up?

I feel like my keys have gotten loose and the stabilization isn't great anymore. Curious if it's just me or not. It's fine, other than some of my LEDs died. I don't use it that much though, so yeah. I still like it, but I only have one still on my main gaming rig at home, which I don't use as much as like my work computer. Hi Linus, what's the most annoying tech with your pool? Oh my God, all of it. Yeah, yeah, here, here, here.

I've worked on swimming pool since the days of time clock and the touchscreen automation has been awful as a tech. Everything's awful. The fact that they want everything to talk to each other, but the fact that they don't and just like how, like it's just, I don't know, maybe I'm just an idiot, but like how any of this stuff isn't just completely automated at this point.

Like, do you know how the salt cell chlorination works? You just set it to a percentage duty cycle and then the next day you go and test the water and be like, is that the right amount of chlorine in it? Like there's no, like I would think you could just put chemicals in a hopper and it would just like test it on its own and adjust it on its own like the Because it's not like you don't still have to use the chemical company dude test the pool anyway What are we gonna do after what is the infrastructure team gonna do after smash champs open?

I have built a building for you every single year that I have worked here so what's next year? Yeah we've been nearly been here three years this is my third building. That's up to Terran. The automatic chlorinator machine company. That's up to Terran. So yeah anyway it's it's really frustrating and it's just like like the stupidest stuff like these are as far as I can tell reasonably sizable companies but when you turn turn off the lights in the pool, the LED lights in the pool, you can hear it, you can hear the relays going, kachoo, kachoo, kachoo, kachoo, kachoo.

It actually cycles through. It's just programmed to cycle through all the fixed modes instead of just having power off as a thing that it can jump to directly. It's just. All right, I'm going home and starting a pool company. This is ridiculous. No, I'm serious.

You could kill it. You could kill it. I think I would. The stuff that we have to deal with is insane. It costs so much. We got a UV sterilizer for 60 bucks broken off of Craigslist. They're like $3,000.

Exactly. It's a UV light bulb in a tube. Exactly. We just need, we need to do manufacturing here as well because it has to be another building. It's all just PVC pipe. I'm just saying. And light bulbs.

It has to be another building. Yeah, like how, oh dude, how expensive that stuff is. Like that's a valve. That's a servo and a molded plastic. What do you mean they have an expected lifespan of two to four years? Yeah. What do you mean they have an expected lifespan of two to four years? Yeah. What are you even talking about?

Are they dealing with chlorinated water? Yeah, but that's not the part, like they just, still. Still! What are they doing, chemical plants? They're making out of something else. No, I'm just saying, like, they're probably doing things that will be eaten by chlorinated water, knowing that you'll have to replace it.

Oh yeah, definitely. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was like a... I'm starting to pool automation. Avon Fox says, I work with industrial automation for freight and it's all the same issues. Yeah, I believe you. I'm gonna invent a 15th standard.

Nice, good. Actually, no, CAN bus. I'm doing it with CAN bus. All right. We gotta keep these going. Oh yeah, get the hell out of here. Saving up our backpack, question for Linus. Did Innovely, Innovely, can't spell,

ever make you those light switches, or did GE make it right? The light switches, I think we're getting an alpha or beta version imminently. Yeah, so I'm pretty excited to try out millimeter wave. If they're like actually good, no I still won't think about it. Cool. My house is very IOT free and I'm pretty down with it. It's honestly not a bad thing. Yeah. I like my IOT garage door openers. That I don't think I could ever go back to not having that. I like my smart lights in the kids bedroom.

We have some very basic smart light stuff going on that is good because we have lights that turn red at a certain point at night. That's good. UK fan, first time watching live. You discussed risk when licensing your brand. If that wasn't a concern, what products, besides cereal, would Linus and Luke be keen to collab with on another brand? Automatic pool chlorinators. Yeah, exactly, right?

I don't know. I don't know, so many of the things that I would want to do is just because like I need a good one. Yeah. And they all suck. Yep. Luckily, there's a lot of options in that category. Yeah, like there's the obvious PC stuff like I'd love to do a case or something like that. But I at this point, I don't really have a ton of ideas that I don't see someone else doing a good enough job of so a ton of ideas that I don't see someone else doing a good enough job of. So, I mean, I've talked about this before. I've wanted to make like a really premium water pistol for a long time. Like, like there's just, I don't know, there's stupid stuff. But for the most part, I don't, I was talking to someone the other night and they were telling me about all their like expensive toys that they have, you know, like they've got some of those like threewheel, almost motorcycle, but it's two wheels in the front. They have two of them, and then they have all these doombuggy things up at their property in the interior. He's telling me about all his cars and motorcycles, and I'm just like, I don't know, I can only really...

That's cool, man. I can only ride one motorcycle at once, personally. And to be clear, like that's cool, you know? I'm with your wife, at least it's that and not women, you know, that you're spending your money on. No, that was his joke, not mine. Like I'm just repeating it. He said, I'm with your wife. No, no, no, he said, he said, no, he said,

my wife isn't upset about it because at least I'm just buying stupid mechanical toys. I'm not spending it on women Right. And I'm like, fair enough. So I'm saying I'm with, I'm saying I'm with his Isn't she like a nice? I'm saying I support his wife's position. Oh you do? In what way exactly? Enough! Next merch message! Okay... Uh, Luke, we just

added a fourth bird to our flock. Do you have any plans to get more? No. Beat him to the punch. What kind would you get? None! Dinner! Chickens! No! Well, that's true, actually they're, dude, they're so expensive and they take actually a lot of time. I'm not willing to get

bigger birds because then their poop is a huge problem. Budgie poop is surprisingly convenient. It's just these little pellets and it dries really quickly so it's very easy to clean. Larger bird poop is slimy and large and not easy to clean and that is a huge gap to span and one I am not willing to do unless I would have like a huge aviary that they could fly around in which is not gonna happen so like no yeah dude it would have to be like in this climate you'd have to have it heated and everything and like, yeah. Because they especially, well, maybe some other birds are better with it.

Budgies do not do well with cold. Well, no, the thing is, I don't know if you know this, but you're not allowed to keep native species as a pet. Yeah. So it's like you literally couldn't have like a Robin. So any of the birds are going to be good in the cold. I can't have. So these little Australian birds that are used to super high heat, they have to live up here so

they have to be heated all the time. Yeah. And then it needs to be big enough that they could fly around and entertain themselves. Oh, well, W. cauldroni has a good point. That's only if you want the birds to live. Otherwise you don't have to worry about any of that. Yeah, honestly it it sucks because they're they're high, very highly intelligent animals, but they get sold next to things like hamsters. So people just treat them like throwaway pets. And it's like, man. You could just take a pigeon though.

They're free. And adore a duck. I was gonna say what you could do is you could get one of those nice smart birds and then just like plop it down in front of Twitch for a couple of days. Oh yeah. Then it would be much more. Who would be teaching who?

I have kind of thought before that I could level it out. Twitch stream the birds and it would be a decently successful stream. Yeah probably. Burp? Burp? Pirate Software does it right doesn't he? It's like a ferret stream or something. I think so. I think it would surprise me. I think he does. Fer ferret software Let's see There's a thousand people watching it right now ferrets are characters if I didn't have cats I'd have ferrets But it's a thousand people watching them sleep. It's a boy. It's a black and white look It's a black and white scene of them. Just being asleep, and they know we're here, okay

Maybe we should really should we raid them on twitch no no who cares even like I don't think so I didn't even look at that still I think I looked at our twitch dashboard today I don't even think we're allowed to do like is this a are people watching on twitch oh you're not technically even watching it. This is like a preview. I never use Twitch. Oh, we have 2100?

Wow. Dude, so his stream of his sleeping parrots that are doing nothing is- Half as popular? Exactly half as popular as the whole Way & Show. Wow. Bit of a wreck. What's the term skibbity brain rot, Ohio like I don't know Yeah, I am I am now a ferret watcher.

All right. What are we talking about? Okay, let's do another one. If you get any more birds. No. Okay, cool. Having worked on Cyberpunk, it feels good to see it being used for benchmarks.

What criteria do you use to decide which games are used for benchmarking? I will say that a lot of our criteria has not been necessarily the criteria I might have used if I was kept in the loop on it. What I will also say is that the criteria we should be using and the criteria we'll be using going forward is that we're looking for games that are benchmarkable

so that we can get repeatable runs out of them. We're looking for games that are a mix of CPU dependent and GPU dependent games. We want to have a mix of popular games, even if they're older, and newer games that take advantage of the newest features and therefore could be indicative of future game performance. Could be, that's a big asterisk. And we are looking for games that basically all of that boils down to we're looking for games that will help us separate the best performers from the worst performers. And it is some combination of relevance to the player base, feature support, and demandingness, the strain that it puts

on various parts of your system. Loans, Lug, and Dan. How good is a chaotic role like Dan's for career development? Right now, I'm able to choose between doing interesting stuff without any focus or a stable, narrow job at the same company. I don't know. I was going to leave that to you guys who employ me and dictate my career rather than me

who does the things and the stuff. I don't really think of myself as dictating anyone's career. I think people make themselves valuable to a company and are therefore valuable or they don't so much and they discover that they aren't. I know there is a balance. I think, yeah, I think sometimes it...

Don't become indispensable. It can somewhat depend on who you're going to have to go to if you need advancement within the company or whatever, because some people can treat that very negatively, where like, oh, you're used for a bunch of different things, and if I promote you, I'm gonna have to replace you in all these different realms, therefore I'm gonna halt your career progression

because you've been helpful. That's super toxic. It happens though. Yeah. Oh yeah. There's also prob, like a lot of it comes down to what is the like culture of your workspace and who are you actually working for because that's gonna affect this a lot and if you if you think if you don't think you're gonna stay at the place that you're at I think it could be

a risky strategy because trying to describe what the heck you've been doing for a while to a prospective employer is going to be a lot worse than just being able to write it down in one line because you had a very easy to understand job. Here's my job title. Yeah, this is what I did. Here's my job title. There's all kinds of different advice that could be good for different situations. Like, the way that I made my way through the ranks at NCIX so quickly was by doing the job that I wanted my way through the ranks at NCIX so quickly was by doing the job that I wanted to do. So I was always spending my time doing whatever I aspired for my new position to

be. And we had a really loose management structure that allowed that, but that's not necessarily true at every role. So that's really tough. You know, other sort of generally good advice is, you know, get your boss a promotion. And then take his spot. And then a lot of the time, no, like playing that game politically, they'll take you with them. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Make the other people around you look really good. The taking them with them thing is interesting because I've observed this a few times actually where like someone gets a promotion or even sometimes moves positions entirely. Yeah. To

a different company. And then they're like, well, I really like working with this particular person. I'm sure a lot of honestly, a lot of skills in the workplace are quite transferable. So I'm sure they can learn this new role. and instead of like trying to fish through hiring, which is Honestly a nightmare, um, I can just bring this person on that I know is going to do well Yeah, a lot of people are saying like times have changed and you know what the times had already changed I mean realistically millennials did not get a great ride in the workplace. Um, I got I got kind of lucky slash I I did the right things some combination of the two. And yeah, Top Gear 1224's advice that move jobs is a really important thing if you want to optimize

your career path, but it sort of relies on being able to sell yourself to a degree, right? That's part of the whole process of reapplying for a new job is you have to be able to, yourself to a degree, right? That's part of the whole process of reapplying for a new job is you have to be able to, to Luke's point, communicate effectively what exactly it was that you were doing and why it was so important and why it will be a benefit to the new company so they should pay you ideally more, right?

It's tough. Every situation is so, so different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. A lot of it just depends on what your situation is. Yeah. Hey, LD, I- Dan sitting here going, well, I have no idea what to do with any of that. Oh, I mean, that's fine. I can't get Luke promoted.

I mean, what's above sea level? I have two of those. C level at a bigger company. He's already got two companies. I don't think he needs more. I don't want more, dude. What about third company? CTO of Smash Champs? Oh. I basically am, actually. Ah, crap you are.

Hey, LLD, I recently started a new job as a SWE. I don't actually know what SWE stands for. Software engineer? SWE? Software is one word. I would assume software engineer. Yeah me too. In the US my company recently bought in an Amazon executive who stack rank aggressively and turn 15% of the teams every six months. How common is this in the industry? I mean, we've talked about it a bunch of times. Layoffs.fy, or is it just layoff?

Layoffs.fy? I'm still sticking with sweet Yeah layoffs thought fyi Is an interesting site to poke through every once in a while? Oh, yeah, GM had a big one recently Yeah, and like this bunch of software people this thing where you bring in a leader from a company that knows how to Fire huge amounts of people and then you just use them to cleave your company down for stock value or whatever. Yeah that's a thing. Has been a thing as well for a long time. It's more talked about now and a lot of really big layoffs have happened over the last little bit but like this type of activity has happened for a long time. Yeah, layoffs and stack wrecking firing

are different. Sure, whatever, ignore the ignore the terminology firing a bunch of people is what I meant Hey DLL dot DLL I recently picked up a wearable subwoofer called the Baslet Sorry, Baselit. You did a video about it seven years ago. Do you remember anything about it? It was my first LTT video Baselit? Yeah, it was a piece of shit. Wearable subwoofer? Yeah it basically vibrated on your wrist and it was supposed to create the effect of like very deep bass or something like that. Yikes. I found the Kickstarter. Yeah where's that? Where's our video on it? I'm uh, some of our old videos are very difficult to find. Yeah, did they know what a subwoofer is? Here we go. I like that. Yeah, that's that's more like it.

What's up? I've been meaning to ask James if he knows they're using him for this Become a member to this channel we used to do a lot of really fun like Skitty type stuff. Yeah. So there you go. Yeah, you plug the thing in or something and it's like I don't know There's no way that would ever be good Yeah, I know it's it's dumb less stupid than it sounds. I want one now It's silent The full power of music and high definition anywhere you go the power of the bass lit watch size subwoofer delivers bass right into your body Yeah, so

Basically, it's yeah, it was pretty dumb. I think why is this the most replayed moment? That's why Very cool It's funny like dude every time someone's like yeah I'm not dying to LTT anymore because they've like become all about like I can't believe they do potty humor now We definitely didn't do that. Yeah, literally forever. Yeah Oh well anyway Next one afternoon. Good sirs

How do you both manage the fact that you're the bosses but also want to get your hands dirty? Luke we need to see you in more videos Scrap your words. I scratched an itch. I want to do more. I mean, that's why I'm bringing in more people to help with administrative stuff. It's still not helping much because I'm just doing we were so under adminned that like, I think we've had a lot of challenges to overcome as a company as we've grown.

I mean, a lot of businesses fail as they make the transition that we're making right now. We have a lot of processes to continue to build. It's always, it's a journey. It's not a destination. I do want to get my hands dirty more, but it hasn't been possible as I've ended up just sort of plugging more gaps that we just didn't have any coverage on before. I think we're a better organization than we were, but I think it's clear we need to add a little bit more structure even now. And I think there's things that we can do to make the whole thing run more

cleanly and require less constant interference from management because I don't think anyone's happy about that I don't think management wants to be constantly stepping in on things and I don't think people like management constantly coming in and you know nitpicking at things so hopefully someday someday someday my job will be to like just play with the stuff again because that's really what I'd like to get back to. Any plans for LTT jeans? Nope. Jeans are hard. Greetings Dan, Linus, and Luke. Linus, are you reconsidering swearing by distilled water after the leak? I've used 80s Volkswagen coolant for years and has corrosion inhibitors for copper. Yeah, I think I'm just gonna give up on some performance

and throw a bunch of antifreeze in that loop and we're still gonna do the like grounding thing whatever like we're gonna try and make it not electrolytically corrode or whatever was going on in there but I think I'm just gonna throw some anti corrosives in as well. Hey Linus I've been playing badminton non-competitively for about three years now. Any tips for people trying to step up their game? And what's your personal racket shoe shuttle recommendations? Shoes, you should play in whatever

is the most comfortable for you. Yeah, hold on a second. Rackets, same thing. You shouldn't spend a ton on a racket until you are an extremely high level player. Realistically you are way better off with an entry level as long as it's a one piece graphite carbon racket. Don't get one of those ones with the T joint, with made out of aluminum or steel or whatever. Get a proper carbon racket.

But beyond that, I would say get fresh strings and get a good quality grip. That's way more important than the racket for a novice level player. As for how to get better, this is a great channel. Badminton Insight, these two have just outstanding on camera personalities, really good tips. They are current professional level players, if I recall correctly, and there's just so many, well, insights about badminton in their content. They also do some really fun stuff. They did one recently where they played against this eight-year-old and ten-year-old that are absolutely incredible

little girls players that are ripping it up in the UK right now, winning some U17 tournaments and stuff like that. Let's see if I can find it. It doesn't matter anyway. They've got a lot of really great tips and a lot of stuff that you can practice at home on your own. You don't even need a court for. So check those guys out.

They're doing a great job. And last. what's right? I'd be so down. Oh, yeah, that'd be cool. The last one I've got for you is the Lux screwdriver still coming? Someday. It just hasn't really felt like the right time to do a, you know, $300 screwdriver or whatever it's going to cost once we're machining every piece of it out of solid metal Apple leather you should do an apple potentially like exotic metals you know like it's it's felt

like it's felt like a product for a more prosperous time and a lot of our audience has been has been suffering in a big way like a lot of our audience comes from game dev comes from it comes from like the cloud comes from these companies that are just announcing layoffs after layoffs so one of the main reasons we haven't moved forward with the lux screwdriver is that we felt that it would just seem a little tone deaf like we're not going to build we We're not gonna start building low quality products We're gonna unapologetically make high quality products that cost what they cost but the Lux screwdriver Feels like such a such a point one percenter item that we're kind of

Thinking we're just gonna leave it alone for a little bit. Yeah, we'll still we'll still do it someday I'm sure because it's really cool but like Yeah, not immediately. Yeah Oh, and I guess that's speaking of immediately it's immediately time to end the show Oh, we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel. Bye Bye! I am so sore. We really need to make sure that we have.