The WAN Show - Oh Twitch...... - WAN Show June 16, 2023

Starting point is 00:00:00 one and welcome to the one show there is so much to talk about this week that i actually had a hard time paring it down oh it's really nice when this happens that is true yeah the writer was like yeah i don't know we've got this and this i'm like main topic main topic main topic major xqc got an alleged 100 million dollar deal and is no longer streaming on twitch, now on Kik. It's not even an exclusivity deal either. Trucking company tries to hire truck simulator players? Dude, reality is stranger than fiction. What else we got here? I want to talk about it because I think it's interesting.

Starting point is 00:00:39 I don't care if you guys don't think it's interesting. Google is shutting down their domains business. Really? Like many, many millions of domains that are in Google are going to be sent over to Squarespace and their agreements are only going to be honored for like 12 months. You picked that over Twitch offering a 70-30 subscriber revenue split with major strings attached because they cannot get a PR win to save their lives

Starting point is 00:01:06 yep and Jesus returning to Twitch via AI I was very surprised this was in the doc we'll talk about that too though on the flip side side no one says that let's jump right into the big twitch topic they have had a really awful time of late oh yeah the the last like at least a year two years between getting their entire source code leaked to um losing major streamers to platforms like youtube and kick most recently. Is he the top? I think excuse me. Yeah, I think not by subscriber count, but I think by viewership one of, if not their top creators,

Starting point is 00:02:12 XQC is now streaming on kick. Also, I mean, they just aren't helping themselves. So the big news this week was that Twitch announced a new partner plus program that has a 70 30 split in favor of streamers. And this is on the money from paid subscriptions. However, there are some major caveats here that really make me question what exactly their intention was with this program so first of all streamers must have at least 350 paid subscribers that does not include

Starting point is 00:02:49 prime subs and this is really weird it doesn't include gifted subs why not because gifted subs aren't recurring they they want 350 billing agreements That's what this is about. That's 100% what this is about. And that means that you're pretty serious. But they also have a caveat in here that you have to maintain it for three consecutive months. So if you have enough of an active community, or at least you have a handful of whales that are willing to gift a bunch of subs to people on the regular, then why not give you the 70 30 revenue split because apparently they can afford it i think there would literally be i think especially considering you would get half of your money back i think there would

Starting point is 00:03:35 literally be a point in that equation where it would be worth it once you got to a certain subscriber count to gift yourself buy yourself up so i think they actually literally want genuinely unique billing agreements because like people could game this system super hard because there's got to be a point where gaining that 20 is worth spending some extra money but there is a limit there's a limit to how much people can game it because get this it's applicable to you only if you break this threshold of 350 regular paying subscribers and then it only sticks with you until you do more than a hundred thousand dollars in a year which is a lot of money okay so that's great out of the first 100 000 they're doing 70 000 to you

Starting point is 00:04:27 30 000 to the platform but then after that they go back to the old 50 50 agreement so they're basically saying all right as long as you don't want to make any less than okay so what's that work out to it's so it's five a month times 350 so that's like eighteen hundred twenty let's let's say two thousand dollars a month unless you're making two thousand dollars a month you're not even eligible right so pretty much as long as you're making over minimum wage and less than you you know, a middle management, you know, white collar job, then you get a decent revenue share.

Starting point is 00:05:10 And anyone who's making less than minimum wage doesn't get the good revenue share. And anyone above that who are the biggest contributors to Twitch as a platform, making their site actually attractive. Well, they don't. To be clear, I have no skin in this game.

Starting point is 00:05:28 I am barely even a Twitch streamer. Like, I talked to you guys about this recently. We make $800 a month on Twitch. I don't even qualify for this. I used to make more than LTT on Twitch. That's sad. Because he was basically just funding his video game habit. It wasn't real money.

Starting point is 00:05:47 Yeah, yeah. It's tough because so many companies are more than happy to dive into this and just lose a bunch of money. Cough, cough, kick. But streaming is extremely expensive. And the 70-30 split, I understand why they don't extend it to everyone and i understand why uh there's a bunch of caveats on it because especially when you throw in twitch prime which is something that i think a lot of people don't really want to talk about much uh because it's effectively amazon just throwing free money genuinely at streamers and streamers want to just

Starting point is 00:06:26 take it and then not talk about the fact that they're receiving all this extra free money throw in the idea of Twitch Prime and then the cost of streaming and the fact that such a massive percentage of Twitch viewers are going to not subscribe to anyone and watch a ton of content how expensive that is, how much people will watch Twitch streams on like a second monitor mode, even more so than I would suspect something like YouTube or some other type of content or Netflix or something.

Starting point is 00:06:55 Because I know plenty of people personally that will happily just have it as background audio. It's radio. Yeah. It's radio that's really expensive to serve. But there's video coming with it radio that's really expensive to serve but there's video coming with it it's extremely expensive to serve so like i i understand from the platform side of things the economics of this being very difficult but twitch is in a really rough spot right now

Starting point is 00:07:16 because their competitors are just not caring yeah and twitch is taking this position of like okay we need to get profitable but the other ones are not kick is doing like the opposite yeah as far as i can tell they are throwing money as fast as humanly possible at creators at their infrastructure i mean yeah this is this is really kind of funny but as far as i can tell as far as I can tell, as far as you can tell, kick doesn't have infrastructure because they just run off of a Amazon's thing, which is literally just Twitch, which is,

Starting point is 00:07:54 and what's really, you're watching Twitch over on what's really hilarious about this is if I'm Amazon. Okay. And I'm looking at what's happening right now, the dynamic between Twitch and Kick. Who do I actually want to win? Yeah, you might literally be better off

Starting point is 00:08:13 if Twitch loses. Because Kick is going to pay their bills. Whereas Twitch, Amazon has to pay for these like prime subs. I don't know why they ever did prime subs. Yeah, really rough. That made no sense to me whatsoever at any point in time. It's a massive benefit to the streamers,

Starting point is 00:08:30 but it's interesting to me that the streamers are just so quick to not care about it, which is very intriguing. But yeah, it is quite easy. I will say if, if, ifik wanted to switch off of Twitch streaming, there's a bunch of other services they could use to get that done. Right, but as far as we can tell, they just ripped off the Twitch source code. For their front end stuff.

Starting point is 00:08:54 Right. Which, and Twitch runs on AWS. Yeah. So a big part of the reason that they're using Amazon infrastructure is because the code they stole. Oh, no, no, no. It has nothing to do with that are you sure yeah how sure are you pretty darn sure okay yep because it wouldn't surprise like has it's it's it is genuinely very plug and play what they're doing

Starting point is 00:09:15 okay um and they're just happening to use uh amazon solution because it is literally twitch um and why wouldn't you just do that? You know it works. Well, it's really expensive. That's why. Yeah, but if they just don't care about money because they're making all their money off of people gambling, I guess, or something.

Starting point is 00:09:33 I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. The whole thing is very interesting to me. People being mad at Twitch, thinking that they're being money grubby about this split thing that they're being money grubby about this split thing that they're projecting doesn't line up i mean they are clawing back and that's something we've

Starting point is 00:09:50 talked about a lot rough yes that's something we talked about a lot i mean a lot of the people that are getting this 70 30 split already have 70 30 deals but they might have they might have had it beyond 100k or whatever exactly so Exactly. So it's still a clawback. Yeah. If it's a clawback for anyone, that's rough. Because taking anything back at any point in time is always going to be seen as a negative. I'm altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it further. I mean, that's literally what villains do. And it's not the user's fault.

Starting point is 00:10:20 Or, more importantly, it's not the partner's fault. People who are building their careers on your platform. It is not the partner's fault that you made a bad decision and you signed a bad contract. It should still be binding. They didn't force you to give them a 70-30 split or whatever kind of split that was negotiated at any point. And I trash it just to be very clear.

Starting point is 00:10:43 I trash on Twitch all the time. I used to be actually clear i trash on twitch all the time um i used to be actually quite a fan of twitch back in the hashtag bleed purple days all that kind of stuff i've completely fallen off um but this i can sympathize with just because they gotta make money eventually um and it might be better, honestly, yeah, from your perspective that you brought up earlier, it might be better for Amazon, big daddy Amazon, to look at this situation and see Twitch as a technology company

Starting point is 00:11:14 because Twitch made the thing that AWS sells as the streaming service. Yeah, and that was ultimately what they wanted. They wanted to own video online. I don't think they ever gave any hoots whatsoever if people are watching Amazon Prime Video, Twitch.tv. So maybe the top-level domain shouldn't matter, and if you own it, shouldn't matter, and you should just care that you're the one that serves the video.

Starting point is 00:11:37 And if they look at that, maybe they just kind of shrug it off and don't really care. By the way, Kik is down right now. So I guess they didn't pay their bill so much for that theory again the the so the the the stream service thing is like actually completely unrelated so if if it was well they're probably hosted on aws anyways but if if the rest the rest of the site could be up and the streams could be down but that doesn't matter um the the the main if the rest of the site could be up and the streams could be down, but that doesn't matter.

Starting point is 00:12:06 The main front end of the site and back end of the site is probably hosted on AWS anyways. I haven't looked into it. Don't really care. But yeah, I don't know. This sucks for any streamers that are now making less because of this because that's brutal. The fact that

Starting point is 00:12:21 a platform can take your lunch is not cool. Oh, I got it. I got it up. There you go. And there's XQC. Yeah. Okay. First stream.

Starting point is 00:12:29 My first stream. Okay. Something, something, juicer, something. 62,000 viewers. So what's really interesting to me about that, okay, aside from it just not working. This is probably just it recovering from being just down yep there it goes okay well at any rate what's interesting to me about that is a couple things okay so one that's probably a big part of the reason they're having trouble right now

Starting point is 00:12:55 oh just this massive wave of people coming from yeah from xqc and number two is back when mixer if they're gonna spend a hundred100 million to pull them over, maybe they should be a little bit more prepared. I mean, those who live in glass houses... We're fine. Yeah, well, we've had issues. Yeah. At times when we could have easily anticipated the issues.

Starting point is 00:13:16 We have $100 million? You want to give me $100 million, Linus? I mean... We could do more with $100 million. Just let me know. We're ready. That's fair. Just let me know we're ready there Look you know I don't have a hundred million Yes, hey, we just got to set up crypto gambling will be fine

Starting point is 00:13:36 Can we just be less ethical and make more money honestly like sometimes sometimes it's it's tempting It really doesn't it really doesn't seem like anyone cares. Right? Oh, man. Entire chat's talking about the kick.com CEO. They're like, yeah, he just doesn't care. He has an $80 million house. He seems cool. I'm sitting here going, you know how he got the money, right?

Starting point is 00:14:00 Gambling wasn't even legal that long ago. It's actually a bad thing. Do I have to be the one to say this it's it's interesting to me too how so many people were against gambling being on twitch at all i'm pretty sure we talked about that on wancho on this set so like it wasn't even that long ago and then now a bunch of streamers and viewers are flocking to a site powered by gambling money powered by gambling where um i mean it's like we gave twitch this super hard time for allowing it to happen at all

Starting point is 00:14:31 and then the second a competitor comes up fueled by gambling money we're like hey sweet let's go let's watch over there it's it's interesting to me but it is what it is people are gonna people yeah people people just don't seem to care. To be clear, we will continue to decline any gambling-related sponsorships and all the same stuff that we've done for all of these years. We have... Unless you want to play high-stakes blackjack on a float plane at LTX. Let's go!

Starting point is 00:15:05 I'm kidding. No, I was about to say, I don't think there's a dollar of gambling money in this, but at some point, something may have slipped through. Like we've done sponsor deals on channels that I am not hosting, that I don't even know about. But I really don't think so. Healthcare, gambling, supplements, hosting that I don't even know about so it's but I really don't think so healthcare gambling supplements we've there's a ton of money in that space but

Starting point is 00:15:33 just man anything people put inside their body so sex actually as well as another category that we we don't really pedal in. Anything people put inside their body, we haven't really... Well, yeah, but that's first party. Like, it's not... Ah, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, I'm talking partnerships, like sponsorships, that sort of thing.

Starting point is 00:15:57 Yeah, yeah, fair enough. Yeah, no, that doesn't count. We don't pedal other people's bodies. We just pedal our own bodies. I mean, that's fine. Fair enough. What's wrong with that? If you've got the

Starting point is 00:16:05 ass sets... Speaking of ass sets, can we talk about what happened to your face? Oh, yeah. I know that I was one of the people who told you that that pubic chin situation you had going on was utterly

Starting point is 00:16:23 unacceptable, but I didn't expect you to de-age yourself ten years. That pubic chin situation you had going on was utterly unacceptable. But I didn't expect you to de-age yourself 10 years. This was a process. This was not the goal we started. Oh, too short on that side now. Okay, I'll just fix the side. Oh, too short. Okay, I'll just even it out over.

Starting point is 00:16:42 I think I actually have some progress pictures. Really? Because I was sending them to my mom because I was like I'm making mistakes. At what point did you- at what point did the lawnmower get involved? So this is- this is the first- I don't know if we can show the stream. This is the first place I stopped. Yeah, okay, so I see the problem is that the chin is like this. Yes. Right. You guys aren't gonna be able to see that very well. But the point is the chin is over here Yeah, it's it's side. He's got a side chin. Yeah. Yeah, so I was like a little twisted And and I was finding a lot of times with beards I like lines and this was very rounded everywhere So it's like okay. We still got to work on it, and then there was a there was a mistake with the trimmers Yes, there was cut too. So then we ended up here.

Starting point is 00:17:32 Okay, so that was the point at which you needed to knock on everyone's door and let them know that you've moved into the neighborhood, right? I almost, I was very close to just sending it and showing up like that with the stash. But, but Emma, Emma talked me down and it was like, no, you've got to get rid of it. I mean, unless you guys are planning to like make a video, upload a tape. So yeah. And at that point I tried to bring that down and then I was like, okay, well now this other area looks like it's like too much. Then I brought that down and then it just ended up here and I was like well

Starting point is 00:18:08 okay I guess we'll regrow from here so the plan is not actually necessarily to keep it here but this is where we ended up all right someone's up someone's upset about my sex offender joke look if you don't think it's okay to make fun of sex offenders My sex offender joke. Look, if you don't think it's okay to make fun of sex offenders... Should have kept the stash. Dude, yeah, Dan on the Labs web team, he kind of rocks it. It looks good on him. I wasn't...

Starting point is 00:18:37 It felt... Yeah. The biggest thing for me is, like, my girlfriend Emma looked at it and was like, nah. So I was like, okay, we'll take it off. If she liked it, I might have just ran with it. No, Emma has taste. Emma wouldn't have liked that. Then again, she liked the pube beard.

Starting point is 00:18:57 She did, she does, if I remember correctly, no, she just went over near the end. I don't know. Yeah. She did say when we went to go cut it, she's like, yeah, it's too long end. I don't know. Yeah, she she did say When we went to go cut it, she's like yeah, it's too long It needs to be cut. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well she was right about that. So that's that's good Anywho, may I suggest that you invest in something called a trimmer guard? So I have done that now. Oh, it's in the car. Cool

Starting point is 00:19:27 Okay, well then we're good man how did you end up with a completely naked chin too like what is going on what is this line what line i i don't know it's it's like it doesn't follow the jaw line but it doesn't end at the neck it just kind of is like in the middle and to be clear like i'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination i'm an idiot when it comes to this stuff i'm just like i don't know maybe kind of like this i wish we had a picture of the first time we cut it back because like i don't know a big part of this was all we had was a pair of scissors uh a razor and an old beard trimmer that like really doesn't work and doesn't have guards. Okay. Well that explains everything We were quite limited in the toolset But also we've got we've got people suggesting you find a full-service barber

Starting point is 00:20:18 Okay, two problems one Luke is not going to get up and go there to Luke is not going to pay them That's neither of those things are happening to major problems anything Luke cannot do to himself is Not happening unless Emma can do it to him in which case Is there a topic we're supposed to be on right now? Jesus returns. What is this show? Speaking of Twitch, Jesus returns to Twitch. There's a new AI run 24-hour Twitch stream featuring Jesus of Nazareth answering questions and taking requests.

Starting point is 00:21:14 Nazareth answering questions. Such as explaining the gospel through the metaphor of RuPaul's Drag Race or the Sermon of the Mount through the metaphor of the taco bell dine-in menu what jesus looks like his typical american depiction also known as white in a looped video with an ai generated mouth transported on his face some viewers have mentioned that he looks a bit like luke probably me from about a week ago. Yeah. Jesus, as powered by ChatGPT, is an apparently sincere depiction, and its answers typically emphasize love, kindness, and compassion. It was briefly banned for unclear reasons and then returned shortly after, which is on brand. Can I just...

Starting point is 00:22:04 I actually loved that joke by the way that was really good that's joke of the stream already we're barely into this thing thank you um can i just say i actually kind of like this i know there's a lot of applications for, you know, large language models, deep learning, machine learning that have like, whoa, very questionable sort of ethical. A very questionable ethical approach. approach okay and i could see people being you know kind of upset by this because obviously it's literally putting words into the mouth of their you know prime religious figure or whatever right um however however how do i do this without this becoming extremely spicy? It's a minefield. It's dangerous. I do consider it to be a significant problem.

Starting point is 00:23:10 The number of people who claim to be of a Christian persuasion, who do not seem to have really any familiarity with what Jesus ever said about anything. And if this is a tool that could make it more accessible than picking up a freaking King James Bible, very difficult, very fun fact. We actually did a unit on the King James Bible in my like public school, English 12 class. do you know why

Starting point is 00:23:46 no it's the most old book of all time something like that yeah it was like it was like yeah this is this is how they used to english um ah because of all the changes over time that's a really yeah wild subject yeah it's really cool anyway. Anyway, the point is, it's basically indecipherable, I would say, to the average student, to the average person. It's very dense. It's very difficult. There's a ton of figurative language. It's hard to follow along with. And so if you could train an AI to kind of answer real questions, obviously not the Taco Bell stuff or whatever else, it would be limited. You'd have to train it to be good. It would have to not hallucinate. I doubt that this implementation is perfect because we don't have perfect large language models yet. Maybe we never will but all i'm trying to say is i see

Starting point is 00:24:47 some potential here and i think that there are a lot of questions that people are asking themselves about our modern life that as people who claim to believe in these teachings you know to reference it that way might be faster they They might come to very different answers. Until it starts hallucinating. With an emphasis on love, kindness, and compassion compared to if they didn't, you know, ask a large language model that was trained on the life and teachings of this particular figure.

Starting point is 00:25:20 I do find the one response kind of funny. Concerning the best SMG in COD Modern Warfare 2, while my main purpose here is to share love, wisdom, and guidance based on my teachings and the Bible, I can tell you that many players appreciate the UMP45 for its versatility and effectiveness in the game. I love this. It's not perfect.

Starting point is 00:25:45 People got it to talk like a whale. Okay. No, but that kind of makes sense. If it still answers. No, no, no, no. That might make sense because you could ask it to answer in like the, you know, the, what is the blue fish in Finding Nemo? Dora or something?

Starting point is 00:26:02 Dory. Dory. No, that's the explorer you're thinking of, but close. She was exploring. When the blue fish talks like a whale, you can still understand what she's saying. Yeah. So if it still answers the question accurately,

Starting point is 00:26:16 who cares? It doesn't know you're not actually a whale. Maybe we figured out whale to English text communication. They're working on that. So like, who knows? Man, Jesus keeps up with the meta. All right.

Starting point is 00:26:30 Well, at any rate, a very interesting application and one I wouldn't have thought of, but one that I actually think is kind of cool. I mean, people used to wear these bracelets, right? You know... WWJD. Yeah, you can't ask your bracelet. This could be more accessible for people who... And look, I'm not taking a stance on this one way or the other that people should or shouldn't be interested

Starting point is 00:26:58 in the teachings of this particular figure that I'm not even going to take a stance on whether this figure ever existed or didn't or whatever. I don't don't know stances were taken at all none of that is the point literally not standing actually seated the point is if this makes these teachings more accessible to people who want them claim to actually want them it could be a good thing that's all all right speaking of bad things yeah what Google sells Google domains to Squarespace I don't think we're supposed to do another topic but Dan doesn't put things on the thing way to go Dan you're ahead of time oh we can do merch. We can come back to Google later.

Starting point is 00:27:45 Yeah, let's do it. All right, let's see what we got for you. Kick is apparently still down. Oh, boy. Hey, LLD, excited to... Should we kick it? Oh, he's got jokes. Yeah, you still have the best joke of the land show.

Starting point is 00:28:01 I'm not going to beat that. Hey, LLD, excited to add a fine addition to my water bottle collection. Yeah, you still have the best joke of the land show. I'm not going to beat that. Hey, LLD, excited to add a fine addition to my water bottle collection. When you worked a customer-facing role at LCIX, what were your biggest pet peeves with customers and why? I hated it when people insisted on spending money on stuff that didn't make sense because they were dumb fanboys. That drove me absolutely crazy seems like you still got that problem yeah i still have a chip on my shoulder about it it just

Starting point is 00:28:31 it kills me in fact we actually shot a video earlier this week where i i went off script i just went on this like rant about um quad fx okay do you remember quad fx yeah it was in my humble opinion the single worst consumer cpu platform of all time the worst i challenge you name a worse one i don't know yeah some find me something worse and i will come up with an argument and okay i'm not talking about like some cyrix crap or whatever i'm talking like amd intel mainline and not just obviously there was stuff that existed that was slower but i mean for no i knew what you meant for its time name something worse and you can't just say celeron yeah there were celerons that were not a great value or whatever but there were celerons that For its time, name something worse. And you can't just say Celeron. Yeah, there were Celerons that were not a great value or whatever,

Starting point is 00:29:29 but there were Celerons that were outstanding. Celeron 300A was freaking legendary, right? Pentium 1. No, Pentium 1 was awesome. You could play video games. Man, it was wild. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, it's not about speed.

Starting point is 00:29:48 It's about when it comes out at the time compared to everything else that is out and at the dollar value comparison and all that kind of stuff. What is its features, stability, those sorts of things. Yeah, okay, people are talking Itanium. I said consumer, though. And also, Itanium was trying to achieve something. It was trying to something, something, 64-bit architecture, something, something, you know, data center. At least it had a purpose what oh man people are people are really showing that recency bias here

Starting point is 00:30:12 x 299 yeah it wasn't a great value definitely not but it had a reason for existing it was at least you know and not great value is not the same yeah q6600 was legendary that was a great cpu how could you even possibly type that out that actually like offends me weren't there a bunch of those in scrapyard wars6600. Those are actually incredible. What are you talking about? They were relevant for so long. AMD Bulldozer was bad, but the pricing. They priced it appropriately eventually. So you could build a budget functional computer with it.

Starting point is 00:31:10 computer with it quad fx drew more power at idle than most high-end gaming machines at the time drew under load i don't think i've ever seen one i just read about them yeah and i like knew to hate them and therefore none of my friends ever got one and no one that i ever knew ever got one and all that kind of stuff but like i don't know if i ever actually saw one so here's the thing the the tirade that i went on in the middle of making a video about quad fx it's sort of the sequel to our video on skull trail where i went okay this was a five thousand dollar computer from 10 years ago how does it hold up this was like the peak this was the apex at the time what can we still do with it and you know it kind of you know power consumption sucked and there were some things that weren't very good but it kind of held up pretty well quad fx was the competitor to skull

Starting point is 00:31:55 trail they came out at the same time except nobody talks about it skull trail was sick because quad fx was terrible yeah and so the premise of the video is, hey, it's the slower, dumber, uglier sequel to that video. And so I went off on this rant because it used to be that, man, NCIX did not have very good customer data protection practices. did not have very good customer data protection practices. Literally anyone in the company with no logging or additional authentication required could look up an invoice number by number and they were sequential. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:35 So you could just key in numbers and just see invoices. And with my level of access, I could look at invoices by what people bought. So for example, if I wanted the address of one of the Vancouver Canucks who regularly shopped at NCIX, I could have just gotten it. I didn't because I'm a good boy.

Starting point is 00:32:54 Or, okay, if I wanted to, man, if sometimes I have sort of a nefarious brain, I like to think that my moral compass, it keeps me- You like keep yourself in bounds Yeah it keeps me on the path But I was sitting there going You know I bet people who buy extreme editions

Starting point is 00:33:11 Probably have a lot of cool shit in their house Yeah Honestly It surprised me that they never patched this And that no one who worked there Ever just like Had that occur to them and did stuff and i was just like well whatever anyway the point is i could i could pull up customer information

Starting point is 00:33:32 very easily and one of the things that i did on a couple of occasions not with just web orders but with system orders because i was in charge of the systems division one of the things that i did on a couple of occasions is i saw system invoices for quad fx i pull up the record got on the phone and tried to talk the customer out of it more than once because it was so bad that's really funny hey i'm from ncix and i'm here to help um can we find you something different can i give you something that performs better and costs less and is more stable and i can't promise a better upgrade path but i can i can promise you'll like it better please it'll consume less power please and there were people i couldn't

Starting point is 00:34:35 talk out of it so i once had to build a quad effect system it was the most unstable piece of i wonder how that person felt afterwards knowing you had tried to talk them off the wall, and then they get this computer, and it's just the worst experience. That's gotta rot away at you, because every time that your computer just sucks for whatever reason, you know this person tried to contact you and tried to save you and you said no. So you're not gonna go back and try to get an exchange or something because you're gonna try to defend your

Starting point is 00:35:12 purchasing decision. That's what people do. It's the cognitive dissonance, man. You just gotta like, I will change my reality then! No, my computer is good. Crashing once a day is fine. It's only one time. I just get off the computer when it crashes It's okay. I have time to go outside anyway. You can get q66 hundreds for five bucks Oh, yeah, they're not worth anything now because they don't support modern instruction sets, but that's just crazy to me

Starting point is 00:35:36 I don't know. Yeah, we're we actually have a line of CPU fidget spinners coming We're gonna embed bearings in the middle of them like really high quality like ceramic or like hybrid ceramic bearings and turn cpus into fidget spinners we're gonna put like an aluminum frame around the outside we're still working on on scaling production yeah there's a lot of cpus out there and hey if they could be a fidget spinner instead of in a landfill that's great right yeah so reuse let's go um and yes so cheap lga 775 cpus are one of the main targets if you were yeah if you were trying to go for like an xp era like retro machine there might be some hardware right now that would be like good to pick up it's tough here's the problem once you get past about vista um not only about Vista. Not only is the OS completely insecure

Starting point is 00:36:25 to run connected to the internet, but there's basically nothing you can do on that computer anymore that doesn't require an internet connection. Yeah, I was going to say. So a retro Windows 98 machine or something like that can actually still run a lot of software. You could fire up Encarta.

Starting point is 00:36:43 By the way, I found out recently World Book still publishes a printed encyclopedia. lot of software you could fire up in carta first by the way i found out recently world book still publishes a printed encyclopedia yeah uh one of the writers on um ars technica wrote a whole thing they bought one um they asked for a review sample got ignored and then they actually bought one and they were like this is cool and then his wife made him put it in another room because it was like ugly or something uh anyway that it's a good article. I enjoyed it. The point is, you could fire up Encarta.

Starting point is 00:37:08 Or you could play point-and-click interactive kids games. Whatever, right? The software was intended to run locally on the machine. It was intended to never have anything to do with the internet. Exactly. The internet was an afterthought. But by the time we hit Vista, especially Windows 7, there's basically nothing that does anything without some

Starting point is 00:37:26 kind of online registration or activation or phone home um or or like multiplayer element or whatever it is without being connected to the internet so this is going to become more and more of a problem over the next 5 10 50 20 years oh yeah where you're going to be able to be a massive amount of loss history. Yeah. Retro is going to become crystallized as this period of, you know, windows 95 or Commodore or whatever to windows XP. And then there's just going to be the missing times. That's it. Everything we experienced on our computers,

Starting point is 00:38:03 you'll just have to like emulate. Past that point. It's going to be like, you know, maybe like archive, like web archive, archive.org or whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:14 That's it. You'll be able to see stills of the, the games people played at that time, what those multiplayer maps looked like or whatever else it is. Right. It's kind of sad. Yeah. You know know everything you're experiencing in fortnite right now your kids will never try they will never see it they'll be able to yeah it's unfortunate that you chose fortnite but it is what it is some people might want their kids to try fortnite remember their kids playing

Starting point is 00:38:44 it now yeah and that's what people have nostalgia for. I'm just messing around, but yeah. I'm just messing around too. I know adults play Fortnite. I judge them, but I know they do. Next merch message. I think you should explain the concept and maybe show off some of the ways

Starting point is 00:38:59 that they can send a merch message. Oh, right. That's what we're supposed to do. Should we talk about the things? Yeah,'re supposed to talk about the things yeah we should definitely talk about the things the best way to interact with the show is boom through a merch message not super chats not twitch bits none of that stuff you want merch messages all you the checkout cart. Crap! In the cart. If we're live,

Starting point is 00:39:29 there'll be a box where you can type a merch message. It'll either be responded to by our producer Dan, or it'll show up down here if you just have a shout-out for a friend or your mom or whoever else watches the WAN show, and occasionally Dan will select one to curate and Luke and I will address your

Starting point is 00:39:45 question on the show that last one was an example of replying to a merch message and Dan is about to give us one more but first I want to show you guys some pretty cool stuff you can check out at lttstore.com we've got some really good stuff this week okay that's the button-up shirt that was from either last week or a couple weeks ago we've got the really good stuff this week okay that's the button-up shirt um that was from either last week or a couple weeks ago we've got the fleece lined shacket is this a shirt is it a jacket i don't know you'll have to decide and whoa whoa whoa whoa what's this did we just get the jerry rig everything razor knife back in stock yes we did and we have new colors now available in orange along with black neon pink is it that screen green clear red metal all metal and blue yeah that looks almost like yellow on there it's much more orangey

Starting point is 00:40:38 oh yeah uh that's not that representative of the color, so hopefully there's something we can do about that. It's like this. Yeah. It's very orange. It's like an LTT orange. It's like an LTT orange. Yes, that's exactly what it is. Also this week...

Starting point is 00:40:54 Do you want the maroon one or the black one? Let's go with the maroon one. Okay. Maroon is your stoil. Thank you. I'm going to do the black one. Actually, I'm going to do a black one and a maroon one.

Starting point is 00:41:18 Oh my. Available now in two colors and all three of our awesome sizes that are all priced the same because as i ranted about on the show last week the costs are not actually that different the big capacitor water bottle it's huge i personally think this was a particularly inspired design uh i'm taking credit for this one sarah did a great job of bringing it to life with the i think perfect perfect pantone color does that not have just like an ugly capacitor look that's why i wanted the maroon one freaking love it there's lots of

Starting point is 00:42:01 black caps too though yes yes so we've got it available in the 21 ounce the 40 ounce and of course the chungus 64 ounce most of my life actually needing to fix capacitors i was working on these colored ones we got people in floatplane chat it looks boring to be honest that's underwhelming and then we've got the people that are like oh my god i need it you would have needed to be around you know who you are yeah the people who need one know who they are and they've probably already ordered it nathan 753 i f***ing love it yeah yeah yeah it's one of those designs it's polarizing but you know what i've've learned? When it comes to design, polarizing is actually good.

Starting point is 00:42:48 Think about it. If 100% of the world thinks it's kind of okay, nobody's going to buy it. But if 50% of the world thinks it's crap, and 50% of the world thinks it's great, you just sold 4 billion units. Polarizing.

Starting point is 00:43:04 It's good. Yeah. I mean, if you don't like it, it's not you just sold four billion units yeah polarizing yeah it's good yeah and i mean if you don't like it it's not like there isn't other bottle options right yeah exactly yeah where's the joke the joke the polarizing that was the joke we were just doing it straight faced oh thanks dan jeez i got that reference oh man love you dan uh okay want to hit us with another merch message sure we got one more for you here i'm buying mysterious combo because i have trouble making choices do you feel the same shopping for pc hardwares there's too many options i find that with laptops sometimes oh yeah, yeah. I find laptops really overwhelming. There's so many variables, and it's really hard to quantify.

Starting point is 00:43:49 Honestly, laptops are one of the ones that I'm looking at the goals that we have for the lab, and I'm kind of going, this doesn't go far enough. Even if you have a compare feature that, you know, uses real empirical data, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's too much to process.

Starting point is 00:44:12 It's too much. There's the display and the keyboard and the trackpad and the palm rejection of the trackpad and the size of the trackpad and the clickiness of the trackpad. And if you're holding it like this, does it accidentally depress the trackpad? And if the thickness of the bezel, pad and the if you're holding it like this does it accidentally depress the track pad and if the thickness of the bezel how much does that matter to you the the weight versus the flexibility of it it's really it's a really difficult challenge and that even ignores the fact that

Starting point is 00:44:39 every laptop body pretty much is available with literally, you know, anywhere from half a dozen to dozens of different internal hardware configurations. Which is going to change things. That can dramatically change everything that you're measuring about them. It's really tough. I don't know the answer. Yep. Yep.

Starting point is 00:44:59 I can see that. Desktops, I don't really have a hard time. Yeah, me neither. To me, desktops are kind of a, it's something that I understand really well. And from my point of view, once you get rid of the superfluous options, there aren't really that many valid choices at a given price point.

Starting point is 00:45:20 You know, if you're building a machine for about two grand, all right, what are my choices really i'm either going intel or amd for cpu i'm ideally not going for a top tier chipset so that i can save some money for my gpu oh okay that's another decision i need to make okay how am i going nvidia or amd for my gpu i get the one that leaves me enough money for the amount of storage i need and the power supply i need and then if i have any money left over i spend it on a case otherwise i dumpster dive for one yeah that's how i built computers for most of my life

Starting point is 00:45:59 that's pretty much it yeah i have no issues with pc stuff sometimes i feel uh uninspired in the in the pc space because like for a long time there it was like well if you don't want an rgb based everything uh there are no options uh and i find sometimes the trends are just cry more a little well like it's just not interesting i guess but the the wood stuff that's a cool computer. Oh, you liked that one? Yeah. I like it a lot to the point where I looked into getting my own and then I saw the prices on some things.

Starting point is 00:46:33 The case is affordable. The Fractal North is a beautiful case and at a very reasonable price point. Ion is a wonderful case. And you can also get that gpu water block for 500 yeah yeah that's where things get rough that's where things get pretty rough the cpu and gpu water blocks and those fittings oh my the fittings are pretty cool if you want to send it the whole way it's really really rough i do think though like you made a comment um uh about how it's like more like partner friendly or like other person in the house that isn't just interested in computers friendly yeah like my my

Starting point is 00:47:11 girlfriend's very into plants yep and green and stuff it would perfectly fit in a very public space which is not super common with computers so So I don't know. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. All right. Why don't we do one more there, Dan? Sure. Sure thing. Let's see.

Starting point is 00:47:32 Since you were able to travel again, what things did you realize you missed from trade shows? And what did you not miss? I missed seeing the people. I actually missed some of my old buds. I didn't manage to catch Cliff from MSI, unfortunately. I did manage to run into Walter from Seasonic, just some of my chums in the industry.

Starting point is 00:48:00 Good old Tony from Silverstone. Yeah, it was good to see people. Managed to have a dinner with some creators, which was less on my hit list this time around. Just because, like, how many of those people are going to be at LTX in a month? Yeah. Like, from that table? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:20 And it was nice to hang out. I'm not like, I'm not. But it's not like you're not going to see them very soon. Yeah, I will see them very, very soon. Yeah. Yeah, so. That's pretty reasonable. That was really cool.

Starting point is 00:48:32 You miss the food. Definitely miss the food. There's lots of good food in Vancouver, but it's different, right? You know, you're somewhere else. It kind of forces you out of your comfort zone. I'd say that's something. I played a lot of badminton while I was over there. I missed that.

Starting point is 00:48:46 Yeah, I'd say, I'd say that's something. I played a lot of badminton while I was over there. I missed that. Yeah, I'd say that's about it. It was, it's good energy, you know, at a trade show, like that feeling of accomplishment at the end of the day where you're like, yeah, we filmed like two LTTs today and it's a miracle either of them happened at all because so much went wrong and could have gone more wrong. Like that first day when we shot the video in the gigabyte booth where we were talking about the grace super chip and grace

Starting point is 00:49:09 hopper we were supposed to be at a factory tour seeing a gpu production line that just completely disintegrated um so we had to pivot and come up with something and it happened to be that gigabyte had their booth kind of set up but not so set up that i couldn't go in and start ripping things apart it just it just worked out that way man the number of people that watch a video like that and go yeah it's amazing how like scripted this is you gotta just get the tinfoil hat off and you gotta just take you're getting too good you gotta chillax um no we actually showed up and we're like hey how about this and they were like uh uh uh i love seeing his face when it boots he's just like...

Starting point is 00:50:05 Oh, that's the Supermicro one. Oh, no, I thought there was that framework. No, Gigabyte. I'm talking about Gigabyte. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, we could talk about that one. Yeah, oh, man. The number of people that thought we were sponsored by NVIDIA to do that video in the Gigabyte booth,

Starting point is 00:50:18 NVIDIA wasn't even there. They dropped off some stuff, ran away, I think, because they didn't want to answer any questions and potentially get in trouble, and then were just gone they didn't pay anything if we if they did we would say it like it is it's hard to credibly come up with conspiracy theories about what we do because we're completely transparent so whatever your conspiracy theory is, it's stupid. Because if it was true, we would just tell you. For better or for worse, I say all kinds of stuff that no sane business person would say publicly.

Starting point is 00:51:00 Oh, man. Love it. Speaking of things that are stupid, Google sells Google domains to squarespace really this is a major topic to you it's okay fine fine fine do you think do you think do you think do you think all right google is shutting down google domains and selling its assets to squarespace around 10 million domains will be transferred to squarespace after which squarespace will honor renewal prices for 12 months. So they'll honor renewal prices once. One time.

Starting point is 00:51:30 Yes. This will likewise affect Google Workspace accounts attached to Google Domain, as Squarespace will be taking over their billing and support services. Have no idea how that will go. That's going to be interesting. This is kind of pretty wacky because a lot of people that I know host a lot of domains with Google Domains

Starting point is 00:51:55 because Google Domains hosts a ton of top-level domains. Cloudflare is, everyone loves to talk about how amazing cloudflare is at that domain management because they are amazing they sell it at like cost very user friendly very easy to manage you're probably doing your dns junk there anyway so like why not have it all in one place like yes fantastic except they actually have pretty what is this oh uh they actually have pretty... What is this? Oh. They actually have pretty low support for a variety of top-level domains. Why don't you talk about what support for top-level domains means?

Starting point is 00:52:33 Okay, so you guys are probably familiar with.com, but there's, you know, twitch.tv. There's very potentially your government websites, .co.uk for the British Canada's.ca .tech all kinds of things there's tons of them they're all over the place those are top level domains Cloudflare doesn't support

Starting point is 00:52:54 a bunch of them does not support it does not support .ca for example so most of our.ca domains are hosted with Google so we have to move them somewhere So most of our.ca domains are hosted with Google. So we have to move them somewhere. And there's some other good options, but it's just like, man, the move for a long time was you have your Google Workspace stuff.

Starting point is 00:53:18 You have your Cloudflare stuff. You host anything that can be, you have your domains that can be in Cloudflare, in Cloudflare. You just have them over there. And then your various ones that can't be in Cloudflare in Cloudflare. You just have them over there. And then your various ones that can't be in Cloudflare, they just all go in Google Workspace and it's fine. Everything's fine. This is the setup that like everyone that I know has been using or they just have everything in Google because they don't care about saving two bucks a month

Starting point is 00:53:40 or two bucks a year or whatever, which is like fine. It's also very interesting. Someone in Flowplane chat chat mentioned this i was thinking about this earlier today they dropped the dot zip and dot mov stuff on us and then just peaced out see ya have fun jerks but this this is actually gonna make like a ton of work for a bunch of people. Because Squarespace is great, right? We use Squarespace for a bunch of different things. But if you're not wanting to have a Squarespace site for your domain... There's no real reason to use them. No.

Starting point is 00:54:18 There's definitely reasons to use Squarespace. We use Squarespace, again. But not as your domain registrar. Yeah. And Squarespace having a domain registrar makes a ton of sense. Because especially if you're not super familiar with what you're doing,

Starting point is 00:54:32 which makes sense, you might be using Squarespace because of that reason. Being able to just get your domain in the process of setting up your Squarespace site is like perfect. Makes a ton of sense that they have this support. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:54:43 But I don't necessarily want all of my domains shoved in there out of nowhere.'t know they've had that support for a long time yeah which is great i just so basically what they're buying is recurring revenue essentially literally bought recurring revenue which is just the like most amazing thing ever i mean look at the way that back music catalogs are being handled these days that's exactly what it is you're just paying you know some multiplier of the recurring revenue and whoever is the rights holder is now just cashes out now and lives on a yacht or whatever you know it strikes their fancy and then these these long game large and really they're just investment vehicles these

Starting point is 00:55:28 companies um are building up this this recurring revenue base that allows them you know to eventually go ipo it's like it's a pretty common playbook when it comes to just ip acquisition companies um it's and it's pretty similar to what the plan was for the company that had offered to acquire us. So I get it. There's all, man, there's so many, there's so many interesting, there's so many interesting ways to just park money

Starting point is 00:55:57 and just have it just sit and passively earn money for you. This is one of the things, the biggest thing that jumped out at me about this is not just that I'm annoyed that we were like actually standardizing and unifying our domains. Oh, I don't know, two weeks ago. And now we're going to have to do it again, which is sick, just a bunch of wasted time. But also we've been talking for a while about how you can't trust new Google products because they just keep shutting them down. This is not a new Google product. Yeah, they've been doing Google domains for over 10 years.

Starting point is 00:56:34 For a long time. So now what can you trust from Google? And like what writing on the wall was there that they were gonna do this? Like they just launched new TLDs the the dot zip and dot MOV thing like they were actually doing stuff in the space And they mean they were doing stuff in the stadia space and then Yeah, I mean, but stadia was new and also terrible. Yeah, but just because Google's doing stuff is no indication that they might not immediately kill it this it was it was good and they were like profiting off of like like cloud flare is doing it all at cost which is one of the reasons why everyone likes it so much

Starting point is 00:57:13 google wasn't they were profiting off of it it doesn't seem like it's the hardest thing to do i know nothing about it but it doesn't seem like it's the hardest thing to do because tons of sites just spin it up as a part of their service package so like what's what's the play here i don't understand and like i'm sure i'm just sorry i'm sure i'm just missing something but like what what do you do when gmail uh is killed yeah i don't think gmail is going anywhere that's a lot of data that they can take from that. Um, is that it?

Starting point is 00:57:48 There's no data. They can collect data. They can take from it. So it's no longer core business, even though it's like an internet, you have like the address and phone number and contact information of all the domains because they, they have a service that, um,

Starting point is 00:57:59 obfuscates all of that, but that means they have it on their end. Yeah. But that's not a lot of their kind of data yeah for sure that's boring data that's like database that's it's just it's it's really interesting to me and this this is this feels like an acceleration of a death spiral like they've been killing all these different products this one dying okay the point that you just made makes a lot more sense than anything i've heard so far of like okay so yeah it was literally just printing money but not a ton of it yeah and

Starting point is 00:58:38 not as part of their core business yes so maybe it's that, but it feels very not strategic to me. But if that's the strategy, maybe. I don't know. You'll allow it. Well, I still hate it because I have more work to do now and that's not cool because I have a lot of work to do. So does he. Yeah. Well, yeah. That, that might actually be his job. We'll see. Maybe.

Starting point is 00:59:19 Speaking of things that have changed for no particular reason, Intel just changed their processor branding. This was reported by Ars Technica and Untact The Verge. Basically, everyone, Intel will be changing their processor branding with the launch of Meteor Lake later this year. They are officially dropping the i. That's right, my friends. It is no longer Core i5,

Starting point is 00:59:41 Core i3. Now it is Core... Wait, what? Oh, I didn't even know about the non-ultra. Well, whatever. We've got Core 3, Core 5, Core 7, and Core Ultra 5, Core Ultra 7, Core Ultra 9. What happened to good old-fashioned good, better, best?

Starting point is 01:00:02 They are likewise dropping any references to generations in their advertisements Instead adding this ultra tier to make it two tiers core and core ultra They will also shorten their numbering system by one digit and put the processor number after the word processor What? What? and put the processor number after the word processor. What? What? So, what we had before... This is worse than I thought. Oh, whoa, yeah, I hate that.

Starting point is 01:00:32 What we had before, Intel Core i9-10700K processor. Now, we have Intel Core Ultra 9 processor 1070K. I don't like that that's weird you know what it is though right and you know who i blame for this right i blame apple oh have you ever tried to look up any information on an apple product but why what's the benefit on an ipad have you ever tried to find out anything about a particular model of ipad just as a as a normie who doesn't know that it's the late 2016 or or whatever and i i they weren't the first to do it, but they popularized it in a way that has since seeped out into the rest of the tech industry.

Starting point is 01:01:30 This habit of naming products in a way that is just infinitely less Google searchable than a clear and obvious product part number that indicates just f***ing anything about the product itself. And like I said, Apple's not, by far, not the only one to do it. You know, look at what Razer did with the blade. What the f*** is a Razer blade? I don't know. It could be anywhere from brand new and amazing to dog slow and garbage don't know the first time I ever had to work on a mac uh like I was trying to fix it and I was trying to figure out what version it was and I asked the person who owned it what it was and

Starting point is 01:02:18 they had no idea I was immediately a little bit confused but then i asked them and they told me the like date and i was like that's a that's a season that's not a model like what what model of laptop do you have and they're just like i just told you i don't i don't know yeah it's just like oh man and you know what you know what really is like truly infuriating even apple's not consistent about it with the iphone they're like the one product that they are more successful at than literally anything else actually super structured they clearly denote what the crap it is because it's actually really important to know that and that macbook i don't know it's a macbook it's a mac pro oh you don't know exactly what year your mac pro came out oh i guess you're gonna get information

Starting point is 01:03:17 on the trash can one then it's it's it's just it's asinine yeah yeah dropping the i for me like sure it's maybe more efficient i kind of liked it though look they went from intelli i i liked that branding they went from one ripped off naming scheme like what what is i3 i5 i7 it's bmw yeah and bmw probably stole it from someone else but there's no creativity here and then they've taken this thing that was already pretty stupid and then they've stupidified it more okay so we we i mean i guess removing a number is fine but why do you need to say processor then the processor move is the bad part that's what i was trying to kind of get in that like i kind of liked the i don't really care that it's gone the processor move is really weird and taking

Starting point is 01:04:15 generational branding out of the out of the marketing basically just means to me that they've accepted that they can't keep up with producing new generations. So we're going to end up with this just soup of numbers and letters that are indecipherable unless you have a legend and you can look up what exactly something is. I mean, it's already awful because it used to be that I3, I5, I7, I mean, it's already awful because it used to be that I3, I5, I7, and this is partly because Intel didn't innovate for a long time and didn't add higher core counts and stuff. But for a long time, I3, I5, I7 had a really clear meaning. I3 was a dual core. I5 was a quad core and didn't have hyper-threading.

Starting point is 01:05:02 And I7 definitely had hyper-threading. And sometimes on mobile, it had fewer processors. But it represented kind of the best that they can do. And then they added Core i it's like okay fine then let's just keep going you know keep innovating keep building better stuff and clearly indicate that this new thing is is more better than the last one but now you're just going to create an additional layer of confusion people for people where they go yeah well it's a core ultra 9 so it's good right well i don't know which one is it it's a core ultra 9 processor what do you mean what do you mean you don't need the four i hate it and you know what this isn't the only stupid branding thing intel's done i mean i talked about this back when they did it, but rebranding their Xeons to bronze, silver, gold, platinum.

Starting point is 01:05:47 What the crap was that? Because you know that no company ever wants to call something bronze or ever wants to call something I3. So they've created these ultra designations so that just everything can be ultra. No, I don't think they call I3s ultras. No, not I3s. I5s, I7s, and i9s are ultra. But that's what I mean. Almost nothing's an i3 anymore anyway.

Starting point is 01:06:09 Or isn't it that they can be ultra? I don't know. I think... Oh, yeah, they can be. Yeah. Yeah. I think you have an i5 not ultra and an i5 ultra. What does that even mean?

Starting point is 01:06:21 What does ultra mean? Do they say? I don't know. It's bad enough that i have to look at it like zeons went from it being really clear what you were looking at to being utterly indecipherable and i have to imagine whenever i see this these days that it's completely on purpose you know you look at the way that uh you know, NVIDIA positioned, particularly the generation that included both RTX and GTX cards. So the 20 series.

Starting point is 01:06:49 You look at the way that the numbering worked and you're just going like, this is, this obviously was done to muddy the waters. I can't think of any reason other than that to do this. And it just, it makes me mad because it makes this hobby less accessible. It makes it harder for people to understand exactly what it is that they're buying or down the line, maybe selling. Um, and I don't know, maybe I should, maybe the, the selfish part of me should be like, yeah, well, I should be thrilled that people will have no idea what their ultra nine, you know, 14, whatever 12 is um and you know that way maybe i can

Starting point is 01:07:28 snag a deal here and there but it's like i don't feel that way about it i want i want enthusiasm to be something that you don't have to study all the time you should be able to take general rules that you've learned and apply them and still have a decent understanding five years later because there's some consistency there okay so the number has gone up this number has gone up by five so we've moved forward by five generations and this is has a similar positioning to that last one like if nvidia were to go and change the eight in their model numbers to mean anything other than you know the apex of their products it would be really misleading to their customers and i would object to that it's

Starting point is 01:08:17 frustrating but you look how well it works now they they can sell you a step-down tier GPU for the same price that they used to give you a big die. And you'll take it and be happy about it. Well, you won't be happy about it. I think NVIDIA has a PR problem right now. Yeah, they're at an all-time high for valuation, but they're not liked. I think they have some work to do,

Starting point is 01:08:43 but I don't know how to fix it. I wonder if that new person will be able to help. GeForce side, maybe. Maybe. I don't know. I'll be curious to see if they have any ideas. I feel like the GeForce side is going to determine the public opinion, though. That's fair.

Starting point is 01:09:02 I mean, even if your consumer brand isn't driving the majority of your revenue anymore because you're so focused on the data center or automotive or whatever other kind of technology, most people are going to interact with your consumer-facing brands. It's a really good point. It's also a really good point that our sponsor made about their brand.

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Starting point is 01:11:15 Thanks to Headphones.com for sponsoring today's show. Audiophiles rejoice! Headphones.com has the gear to serenade your soul with serendipitous sound. They source only the world's best audio Thank you. best of all their 365 day return policy means that if you're not satisfied with your purchase you will be taken care of so check them out at lmg.gg headphones.com that's headphones.com all spelled out dan you want to hit us with a couple merch messages absolutely how are the uh how are the water bottles doing oh the really the restock of the Jerry Rig Knife is winning today. I mean, the new orange one is pretty cool. You know, I don't actually know that people are going for the orange one. I'm going to check. Hey, hold on. Hold on.

Starting point is 01:12:13 Okay, I want everyone to guess before I look it up. Most popular color. I want to hear people's guesses. Overall, we've got the new orange one. Over the last, like, 24 hours. Over the WAN show. Orange, black, pink, green, clear. guesses overall we've got the new orange one over the over the over the WAN show orange black pink green clear red metal which is actual metal not the color of metal and blue all right well it's I mean other than the clear one they're

Starting point is 01:12:39 all metal but it's like raw metal I really I don't know if it's the TV or what but I feel like we need new pictures of that because that looks yellow to me okay well it's orange yeah it is definitely like standard ltt orange if you're viewing um well i should guess too before i look hmm i feel like it's going to be orange i'm sending it for orange. What do you think, Dan? I was leaning black for a second, but I'm going with orange. All right. I'm going to go with clear.

Starting point is 01:13:11 I think clear is just kind of... Even though it didn't just launch, you think it's still going to be the winner? Yeah, because we got a restart. Ah. Which I did say. You had all the information. Yeah. Is our Wi-Fi broken again?

Starting point is 01:13:29 Because I can't load the dashboard. Are you on five? I don't know. I mean, it shouldn't be considering your laptop is working. That's what I switched his laptop over. Ah, very fun. I see. I am going to go on mobile data,

Starting point is 01:13:45 which is still not working. This is interesting. Skill issue. Wow. What a jerk. God, should we do a merch message while you do that? Sure. Okay, let's see what we got here.

Starting point is 01:14:04 Maybe try to find one I can do. Okay, yeah, sure. Hey, LLD, but mostly Luke. With the progress being made in both LLMs and humanoid robots from Boston Dynamics, do you see real-life Westworld as a possibility in our lifetime? Have you even ever seen Westworld? No. You guys win. Orange oranges out in front by a

Starting point is 01:14:28 country mile. Got them. Safety orange like Dan said. It's orange, metal, blue, clear, green, black, red, pink. Was it a restock of all colors? I have no idea. Gotcha. Well, I've never seen Westworld. Okay.

Starting point is 01:14:44 I don't know. Quick synopsis. Theme park in, like, old and Western times. Real humans go to the theme park to pretend to be Westerns, but all the people in the, like, other people in the town are actually robots. And so you can shoot them and interact with them and, like, have storylines and relationships with these fake androids that behave and look like people got it yeah sure sure because he said

Starting point is 01:15:16 he said our lifetimes so like i don't know like 50 years from now? Yeah, we'll probably have some robots. Yeah, but I don't think they're going to be realistic. In 50 years? How realistic is Westworld? I've never seen it. Well, I mean, they're just played by actors. Oh, is it? I mean, I assume. I haven't seen it either,

Starting point is 01:15:37 but that would be the cheapest way to do it. That's probably why they were so lifelike, because they were just literally people. Oh, no, you're a robot. Yeah. Oh, is that like a plot twist for the show or something? No, no. It was new, and they redid it in modern times, but I think it was originally done in the

Starting point is 01:15:56 70s or 80s or something like that, so they didn't have CGI, but they wanted this cool sci-fi thing. So the premise was that they were robots. They were robots, but they were so realistic that they behaved like actors i mean people got it got it i i i genuinely wouldn't be surprised if we were still stuck in uncanny valley to a certain degree there's really small human things that are going to be really difficult to fully capture yeah and i think that by the time we have power sources and electronics that can be humanoid in a convincing way, we'll have probably all killed each other. Or just, like, be gone. Our weapons will just be, like, amazing.

Starting point is 01:16:37 Yeah. I don't see how you would reasonably power a device like that without some kind of nuclear power. Like I just, I, I, I, I don't, I don't understand. Does it have to keep running all the times? Yeah. Like unless it, unless it runs for more than. Batteries would have to be a completely different thing. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:17:00 Because you can like charge while you're sleeping. That seems decently realistic. Sure. But you'd have to run for a day and unless you have some kind of you know fusion power or something reactor inside I mean

Starting point is 01:17:13 look I was about to say right now a fusion reactor is the size of a room and barely works who could possibly imagine it being small enough to's the thing because we're talking on the scale of 50 years yeah so i have no idea i can't possibly know this answer who knows some whiz kid who isn't born yet is going to invent some crazy thing meanwhile

Starting point is 01:17:41 twitch chat is going like solar roadways with the power solution. Come on, guys. Not actually. They're saying like wireless charging, but still, I think, come on. Wireless charging is a maybe. Wireless charging is not a maybe. You'd have to put it everywhere.

Starting point is 01:17:57 How on earth are you going to do that? It's 50 years, bro. I'm just going to have microwave dish arrays everywhere? Yeah, I didn't think so. Well, again, I haven't seen Westworld. But if you have like the bartender guy and he lives in the bar upstairs, if all the floor had pads in it, it could go through his feet or something. Maybe. Yeah, it's a theme park park leave it to the imagineers at disney let's go yeah all right fine yeah okay i still think

Starting point is 01:18:32 there's going to be uncanny valley issues or like even if you somehow get past that i i think there's going to be things that can tip you off still, even on that type of a timeline. All right, hit us again. Okay. Hi all, will people be able to post reviews about products on the lab site? So it depends. One of the concepts that we have for that is having some kind of hardcore user authentication so that you are a verified user. And then if there was a way for us to i don't

Starting point is 01:19:06 know if we'd be able to do it through an api or if we'd be able to do it some other way but one of the things we'd obviously want to verify aside from your you actual identity which i guess we have to use a third-party service for because i don't want to hold that data that stuff exists yeah like basically i don't want randoms i don't because I don't want to hold that data. That stuff exists. Yeah. Like basically I don't want randoms. I don't want, I don't want anonymous reviews because it's too easy to game and I would want the labs website to be trusted. So whether it's trusted through your site reputation or whether it's trusted through some kind of verification of users, whether it's trusted through some kind of API access

Starting point is 01:19:43 that we can negotiate to a new egg or something like that, where you can enter your new egg account credentials and it can pull products you've actually purchased so that we can pull them once a quarter or whatever to make sure that you didn't just return stuff, but we can verify that you actually purchased something, for example. I don't know the right solution here here but in a perfect world yes we would take community feedback i think where it'll start is people asking us to test things and where it will go from there is finding ways for us to collect valid feedback about products from the community itself and um we've had a lot of internal discussions about ways that we can do that in a scalable cost-effective manner and i don't think we've reached any kind of conclusion

Starting point is 01:20:31 yet anything you wanted to add no not really there's a lot of stuff with the lab that like it's tough and there's a lot of ways to potentially do it we're not really sure which one's right there's a lot of ways to potentially do it we're not really sure which one's right there's a lot of ways to potentially screw it up yeah big true one more okay hey linus bluetooth is frustrating do you foresee a technology let's move on okay no uh do you foresee a technology that will replace or compete with Bluetooth, providing greater reliability and bandwidth for short-distance communications? I mean, a big part of the problem with Bluetooth is the software, though.

Starting point is 01:21:16 Right? Like, it's the firmware on your device. It's the software that's running on your devices. Like, I... Running AirPods on an iPhone, it's a on your devices. Like I... Running AirPods on an iPhone. It's a really good experience. I was going to say, honestly, I don't think it's that bad. I think like you're kind of saying, I think it's implementations.

Starting point is 01:21:34 I don't think Bluetooth itself is actually that bad, especially where we're currently at. There was older versions of Bluetooth that were kind of pretty bad, but it was also a very long time ago. There's definitely still jankiness. Switching between devices and stuff like that is not always handled properly.

Starting point is 01:21:49 Yeah, but that's a very difficult thing to do. I know. I'm not saying it's not. I'm just saying there's definitely room for improvement. I think Bluetooth gets a lot more hate than it deserves, personally. I mean, there's a lot of... Man, there's...

Starting point is 01:22:02 It's not like there haven't been competing standards. I mean, IR was a competing standard way back when. You would actually put your two devices next to each other, so they have line of sight, and they would send zeros and ones over the airwaves as light, which was pretty wild. Wi-Fi Direct looked like it was going to be a thing for a little bit. Yeah, it might

Starting point is 01:22:26 actually have been real and it is it does do things i mean wi-fi direct is how um you know android auto works with my car for example wireless android auto i believe the controllers the the um first party nvidia controllers for the Shield used Wi-Fi Direct, if I recall. No, maybe they didn't. I'm pretty sure their remote does, though. There are devices that do use Wi-Fi Direct, but Bluetooth does a lot of things right. It does a pretty good job of hopping onto a different frequency in order to avoid interference. It has pretty okay range.

Starting point is 01:23:07 2.4 gigahertz is a great balance of throughput and range. I don't see a ton of room for improvement there without a trade-off that I think people would be pretty unhappy with. I really, yeah. It uses so little power these days. It's shocking. It's amazing. Actually wild, the gains they've made in in power reduction for bluetooth bluetooth is good man i yeah it gets so much trash because uh it's something that you actually interface with a lot and a lot of these technologies

Starting point is 01:23:38 like how you set up wi-fi on your phone for your house one time and then never do it again uh like there's a lot of stuff that's just constantly fine. And Bluetooth you have to actually mess with often. The latency is awful though. Not always. Well, it's awful relative to a wire, but it's not awful relative to a lot of other things that we could be using instead. And we also have implementation problems here again,

Starting point is 01:24:04 which is where like yeah some devices and some setups have terrible latency with it and then you have others that have amazing latency yeah that are acceptable at the very least right yeah so i don't know you don't have to hate so much that That's all I'm saying. Unless it's about Intel new branding, then you go for it. Yeah. All right. What do you want to talk about? Tell you what, let's play a game.

Starting point is 01:24:35 I will give you three options and you pick one. Okay. Trucking company tries to hire truck simulator players in game. Yes. What? Okay.

Starting point is 01:24:52 You can pick up. Trucking company Schneider National is putting up virtual billboards in the game American Truck Simulator to try and recruit new employees. There is an ongoing driver shortage due primarily to the large number of baby boomers that have been retiring post-2020. But this is also at least partially due to the fact that the median truck driver in the United States makes just $48,000 a year.

Starting point is 01:25:21 Some truck simulator players have reported liking the immersive quality of having real ads on in-game billboards the ads likewise do not interrupt the regular flow of gameplay um that is like the weirdest thing i've ever heard but it seems kind of on brand for for the game i don't know why not um okay before we go any further your thoughts in-game job wanted ad for things that are similar to the game i will say i like that it's actually not invasive like they put it on virtual billboards and what they mean by virtual billboards is billboards in the game that would have had fake ads now have real ads it's not like they put it in your face it's not like they did some new thing you're driving a truck in the game there

Starting point is 01:26:19 are billboards off the side of the highway now they have real ads so you're saying it might as well be a real ad honestly in that case like sure why not i don't know that doesn't really bother me there was literally a fake ad there is there is no more ads you didn't increase the amount of ads so i like i don't really care i don't know it doesn't bother me you already you literally already had an ad. If they started, like, you know how they have those real billboards in real life that, like, emit smells and stuff? What?

Starting point is 01:26:52 There'll be, like, a billboard for a steakhouse, and it'll emit, like, a steak aroma when you're driving by so that you're hungry and you want to pull over and go to the steakhouse. No, I'm not aware of this. This is a thing. Yeah. If they started, like... Delicious gravy. Dan's just abandoning us dance is that gravy can i have more welches please thank you um people are saying what huh yeah okay let me look this up uh

Starting point is 01:27:14 yeah are you drunk i might be was it just a billboard in front of a steakhouse um oh no if you find yourself driving down River Highway in Mooresville, North Carolina, this summer and suddenly smell a vaguely steak-like odor, don't worry, you're not having a stroke. You're passing by the billboard for Bloom, a supermarket chain that is owned by Food Lion, and it emits the sound. 150 billboards waft odors of grilled steak towards the road in North Carolina.

Starting point is 01:27:44 This is a thing. Yeah. Okay. That makes perfect sense. So if they started going too far with it, so what I'm saying right now is they're taking an ad that is fake and they're replacing it with an ad that is real. If that is as far as they go then sure if they end up making

Starting point is 01:28:06 it so that like you have to oh there's an achievement to like stare at the billboard yeah or click on the the drive into it yeah something i don't know okay so in a simulation game a realistic ad achievement guess you won't get hired smash your truck into the actual advertisement for the actual trucking that sounds kind of funny I would do it kind of entertaining. I probably do it too But this is why we would be bad trucking simulator gamers because we crash our trucks So yeah, I don't know then it's like psych you crash the truck. You're not hired What it man what would be kind of actually really cool?

Starting point is 01:28:43 Man, what would be kind of actually really cool? Oh man, I don't want to give people weird ideas. Maybe this would be sick though. If they had like a task that if you completed the task to a certain level of satisfaction, it just like sent off an application. If you, okay, so there's like a salary baseline but if you complete the task to a certain level of satisfaction in an x amount of tries you like get a signing bonus or something is that dystopian is that terrible i mean my brain's having fun with it but i don't know if it's just like horrible or not i don't think the signing bonus is realistic given that truckers are apparently only making median income of $48,000 a year now.

Starting point is 01:29:30 Yeah. It looks like a very unforgiving job. Like seriously, very challenging. I always thought they made good money because of how rough it was. People in the chat are talking about how just the trucking unions have been decimated because like i knew when i was growing up um i did it work for a trucker dude and like he had money yeah i don't know this is one of those things where it's like it's it's like we talked about a while back that the the labor shortage is right in this case fairly obvious what the labor shortage problem is if you were actually paying adjusted for inflation trucker wages today like you were paying them back in

Starting point is 01:30:12 the mid 90s there would be no shortage of truckers people would be like i'm gonna drive a truck let's and that's not happening because you suck. So get good, I guess, is kind of all I have to say about that. Anyway, the next thing we wanted to talk about in line with this topic is, hey, this obviously isn't the first time that outside organizations have bought pseudo physical ad space or product placements in video games so so if trucker wages from 1995 inflated in line to today they should be making around like 80k not 48 yeah so, that lines up. Okay. Should we have a look at some fun examples of in-game product placement, Luke?

Starting point is 01:31:13 Yeah. I would like you to pick your favorite from the following. Favorite as in one that I actually think is okay or favorite as in like, wow, that's egregious and I want to point it out. I don't know. I guess either

Starting point is 01:31:25 is fine um so first up the batteries that powered alan wake's flashlight were specifically energizer batteries while in pikmin players must collect a giant duracell battery in order to power their ship let's have a look at that the the dirt this one is pretty egregious that is fairly egregious in the japanese version of splinter cell uh which one is it no no no hold on hold on let me just get this right uh in the japanese version of metal gear peace walker there were doritos and mountain Dew available as pickups. Amazing. I actually kind of like this one.

Starting point is 01:32:12 They're so giant. Yeah, that's misrepresentative. How small is Solid Snake? Yeah, I've never seen a thing of Doritos that big. Enter the Matrix had a somewhat out-of- place Powerade vending machine in the game. If it's not like a core consumable in the game or something, I don't really care about that. It seems fine to me. Like, is there really value to me and then like making some generic fake logo compared to it just

Starting point is 01:32:47 being an actual logo i don't really care i really like this next one um splinter cell chaos theory well okay i don't we just put it that way and then this is a this is a big one i didn't know about this obama's two presidential campaigns both bought billboard space in games including guitar hero 3 madden nfl n Live, and Burnout Paradise. So, which is your favorite? What does this mean? I think the Solid Snake one. I'm assuming they like heal you when you pick them up.

Starting point is 01:33:55 It reminds me of like wall chicken from, uh, wow, Castlevania. So neat. I'm down with it. I actually kind of like the Duracell battery. Oh, I hate that one. Yeah, it's awful. It's like... That one's like, it's know why i don't understand why my brain hates that one more than the random doritos yeah i don't understand that same thing i hate the axe one the most that was just not

Starting point is 01:34:19 cool like the obama one's like oh this is like interesting, right? Like politics and the world is changing and evolving. The Powerade one just doesn't matter at all. The Doritos one is funny. The Duracell one is... It's a novelty sized battery. It's just stupid. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:34:39 I don't know. The Axe one's just like lame. I don't know. Yeah. Brands have also released sponsored games. Infamously, Pepsi Man and Burger King's Sneak King. Pepsi Man is awesome. But also, the U.S. Army's 2002 FPS, America's Army, which was distributed as a free download for PC, Xbox, and PlayStation. The Army actually released eight titles in the series, including versions for mobile

Starting point is 01:35:03 and arcade. The last title in the series, America's Army mobile and arcade. The last title in the series, America's Army Proving Grounds, was released in 2013 and ended support in 2022. That is a major campaign. The military also created an esports team in 2018 and still uses gaming platforms as a major part of its recruiting strategy. So this is sort of on topic

Starting point is 01:35:24 just because it brings us back around from in-game placements to in game or in gaming, um, job recruitment, essentially. Uh, the army's e-sports team used to have its own Twitch channel, but they left the platform after being heckled by viewers over alleged war

Starting point is 01:35:42 crimes and engaging in fake giveaways, the military has apparently earmarked millions for investing in gaming-related partnerships, including one million specifically for advertising on Twitch, which was a source of recent controversy. Oh, I guess they can solve that problem by going to kick. No one will care. Easy. Solution solved. Thank you for that. That's very helpful um got it so okay what if it was an army recruitment billboard would you feel any differently about

Starting point is 01:36:15 it compared to a um schneider national recruitment billboard well if it was like an army recruitment billboard uh in the track simulator in see that's that's the that's the that's the thing that catches me is i think it's like actually sort of cool that there's a trucking hiring ad in a trucking game do i still think it's cool if there's an america's army recruitment ad in cod probably not why i don't know i'm asking myself this and i don't know but i also don't think i would personally care like if there was if you're if you're gunning down some highway uh quite literally i guess in this case um in in cod and there's a billboard for uncle sam like i don't really care hey actually that's an interesting one there are a ton of shooter games with literal uncle uncle sam

Starting point is 01:37:13 sign like posters on them so this is actually a thing that has happened and i think the whole world has just not cared so i don't know because they're like we want you uncle sam poster is genuinely in tons of games yeah so i don't know i'm sure someone hates that deeply i just oh yeah chad is is you know um pretty clear that for them the difference is that trucking is nonviolent. So what you're recruiting people to do is drive a truck, deliver goods, rather than delivering bullets, which to be clear, I won't deny that there are legitimate reasons to do, but I think that it would be naive for people to say

Starting point is 01:38:07 that they are always delivered for legitimate reasons, which is a challenge. All right. Why don't we talk about Comcast fighting fee transparency? Yes, I don't know anything about this. Comcast has complained to the FCC. Oh, great. Yeah, basically ISPs are dicks.

Starting point is 01:38:30 Yeah, just always. The sequel. The sequel of the sequel. Here we go. Number two. Comcast has complained to the FCC about an upcoming rules change that will require them to clearly disclose their prices and monthly fees on broadband fax labels in an itemized list intended to be analogous to nutrition fax labels found on packaged food?

Starting point is 01:38:55 What is happening right now? According to Comcast, displaying all their monthly fees will impose significant administrative burdens and unnecessary complexity. How? How bad are are you what do you mean having a product label is hard uh is what i just read i think uh the new rules are in response to a 2021 law passed by uh congress uh and passed by congress and requires, there we go, requiring ISPs to display the labels at a point of sale. The labels must disclose broadband prices, introductory rates, data allowances, internet speeds, and include links to information

Starting point is 01:39:36 about an ISP's network management practices and privacy policies. This is great. That all sounds fantastic. This is actually what the government is supposed to be doing. I so far love this. According to Comcast, though, it is working diligently to put in place the systems and processes necessary to create, maintain, and display the labels as required. must take issue with the part of the new rules that states that providers must list all recurring monthly fees, including all charges that providers impose at their discretion, i.e. charges not mandated by a government.

Starting point is 01:40:14 What? That. That is... Over the line! You can't have us tell people what we'll charge them. This is the most ridiculous crap I've read in a long time. According to Comcast, the wording of the rules is ambiguous. No, it's not. It doesn't seem like to me.

Starting point is 01:40:33 Because, because. Okay. Some government fees are not required to be passed on to customers, but can be passed through to customers at an ISP's discretion. So they will have to admit that they don't have to pass the fees to a customer. Okay, that's good to know. These discretionary pass-through fees vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and ISPs would therefore need to have

Starting point is 01:40:54 the different label for each jurisdiction. 251 in total, according to Comcast. Oh, no. No, you actually do just need to have transparency in your fees and I'm sorry, but like, okay, for an organization our size, yes, all the different tax jurisdictions

Starting point is 01:41:10 in the states are a nightmare. That's also a lot more than 251 as far as my understanding goes. Yeah. For an organization your size that has to do all these things and has to deal with all these fees, listing them shouldn't be much of a challenge. And this isn't the first time that we've heard corporate whining about this type of transparency.

Starting point is 01:41:33 The food industry made similar complaints of regulatory overburden and potential customer confusion when nutrition labels were first implemented. In 2003, the FTA began requiring labeling of trans fats. And by 2015, the food industry had reduced their trans fat content in food by 86%. So that's an example of how it actually works for the benefit of consumers, when the government steps in and goes, hey, actually, that thing that you've been doing is totally unethical and not okay. And you're obviously going to keep doing it because it's very profitable to keep doing it. But you do need to stop.

Starting point is 01:42:09 There are times when that does make sense. I have a problem with TELUS right now, where I have a recurring billing set up with TELUS for my internet. And they just won't bill me and then they charge me late fees and interest and i'm like what do you mean it's set to recurring billing you have my card charge it and they're just like, no, late interest. What are you doing? I was literally considering the other day,

Starting point is 01:42:50 like if I want to be petty enough to just like bring them to small claims court. Because like there is literally no way that they can win this. It's like $4. But like, what? Like I just, I can't imagine at any level how they think this is okay it's just so i it's just isps dude i can't figure it out why you need regulation sometimes

Starting point is 01:43:13 here's another example uh comcast has repeatedly had issues with customer service reps giving misleading information to customers which is so basically're saying, we don't want to create any documentation, not even anything people can use internally, because then people might accidentally tell people the right information. Also, they were caught lying to the FCC about how much of the country they actually cover this past February, apparently. Yeah, ISPs are the classic example. Like if you're going to, if you're going to use public infrastructure, then you need public regulation. I'm sorry, that's just just the way it works because you're only sort of a private entity

Starting point is 01:43:49 you're a private public partnership so you you are yeah i'm sorry you're subject to rules i'm sorry you didn't make enough billions of dollars last quarter in your stupid monopoly like no you actually do need to tell people how much money you're going to charge them it's very frustrating oh you know what else is frustrating we urgently need applicants for the following jobs please apply on the linus tech tips.com no wait no linusmediagroup.com website i a standards and compliance specialist for creator warehouse. Responsibilities include ensuring that our goods and products meet compliance standards

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Starting point is 01:45:07 What else do you want to talk about? Oh, wait, is it already ran after dark? We haven't even talked about the Reddit API protests and the fact that literally all of Turkey was hacked. That one's brutal. And the fact that cyber... Okay, I want to talk about this. Cyberpunk 2077 increased their system requirements

Starting point is 01:45:26 cd project red has announced that the recommended and minimum system requirements for cyberpunk 2077 will be increasing with the september arrival of its upcoming upcoming upcoming phantom liberty expansion which is going to be 30 bucks it will also be dropping support for hard drives though players with hard drives and the previous minimum settings should still be able to play cd project said the reason for making these changes is that updating the requirements is an important part of the game improvement process and of enhancing and adding new features so let's have a look here uh oh shoot i only have the new minimum requirements i don't compare it to the old one that's a bummer but anyway here are the here are the new minimum requirements so in-game graphics low core i7 6000 series or first gen GTX 1060 or RX 580. Okay, 6 gigs VRAM, 12 gigs RAM.

Starting point is 01:46:27 Yeah, okay. Recommended is now 12th Gen Core and a 7th, excuse me, sorry, Ryzen 7000. Wow. I mean, I expected the GPU, but my goodness. And ray tracing. Well, yeah, okay. Obviously this is just oh

Starting point is 01:46:45 this website is horrible you do not need to go from a 7800x to a 7900x to enable ray tracing anywho yeah not that's fair this is fair um original minimum was a i5-3570K or an AMD FX 8310. And original recommended was i7-4790 or AMD Ryzen 3 3200G. This is a big upgrade. I want to talk about this because I can't actually remember too many examples of this happening. Now, there are the obvious ones. World of Warcraft,craft for example saw significant graphical fidelity updates okay but that's a game as a service yeah i can't think of any uh

Starting point is 01:47:33 buy it once game that has ever had a requirements bump i think there's gotta be a ton of game as a service examples tons of different mmos tons of different like i wouldn't be surprised if a world of uh tanks uh i wouldn't be surprised if a game like that which has been around for a long time now wouldn't be surprised if they had a bump at some point in time um but this is bizarre right yeah like taking a game that someone bought and then going yeah we we updated it sorry not sorry um it might not like run properly anymore this would bother me a lot less if you could be selective about the patch yeah oh man patch force patches have been driving me absolutely crazy i swear to you beat games is determined to kill the modding scene for beat saber they just issue pointless patch after pointless patch that just barely affects gameplay but breaks all the mods

Starting point is 01:48:37 and we know they don't have to because they've added content packs in the past that don't break all the mods and i know that mods aren't officially supported and blah blah blah you know beat games at least isn't you know going after modders and shutting them down which i guess technically they could do but they put a ton of burden on on mod developers with their just like constant tiny change tiny change. No, no, no, no. Just leave it the fuck alone. Add a few content packs and do a big patch every six months or whatever. Nobody is asking for what you're doing. So anyway, so same thing here. Yeah, if you had the ability to just install off the disks and run the original copy of the game,

Starting point is 01:49:22 then that would be a completely different situation. I don't. I feel like I'm coming across very amped up and angry right now. I'm not. I'm not going to complain about upgrading the product. They're making it more juicier. So that's cool, I guess. But also, man, it's a super weird precedent, right? There's a bunch of people in chat giving out examples of games that have done this,

Starting point is 01:49:48 but it's all, yeah, MMOs, games as a service. Someone pointed out EVE Online. Yeah, that game is, like, ancient. Yeah, that would have to be updated at some point. You would, like, actually have to, because the original minimum specs would have been operating systems that aren't secure anymore and stuff like like there yeah a lot of these subscription games definitely have had to happen but i yeah i don't

Starting point is 01:50:11 know it's interesting i'm sure there are examples of games that have had this happen uh but i bet you it's been more of a understandable requirement type of thing like hey this certain operating system that was originally listed as a minimum spec is no is now end of life satisfactory apparently just did it recently that's interesting yeah huh okay people are talking about texture packs and stuff i'm not talking about modding though like there's a crisis 2 texture pack that someone brought up i'm talking about the base game actually changing automatically updating and then you being forced to play it but maybe not necessarily being able to play it very well the texture pack might not be a mod but it's still an option um yeah minecraft for sure that lines up

Starting point is 01:51:00 i bet you that happened wouldn't be surprised I could see that affecting people a lot more than something like a Cyberpunk where people already were realistically buying a pretty decent computer if they wanted to run it half decently at all. Yeah. I wonder if I can find it. Minecraft.

Starting point is 01:51:14 Topgear1224 asks if my Taycan is fixed slash has a repaired battery. No. They apparently actually do have the replacement part now, but it has been almost two months of not having that car. That's crazy. You know what car still works? Your Acura?

Starting point is 01:51:31 Yeah. Yeah, I know. That's nuts. You know what car has literally always worked? What? The Acura? Crazy. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:51:40 You smiled when you tried launch control. It was pretty cool. Yeah, it's true. You know what car can launch right now? Not your Acura. Maybe not that fast, but it can do it. I mean, I guess. Got him.

Starting point is 01:52:01 It all depends what you consider launching. Hey, it's a comfy couch on wheels i'm okay with it um man i can't i'm having a hard time finding like the actual i did eventually get a courtesy car it took a couple of weeks but i do have a courtesy car and the courtesy car did not probably have whatever the desired effect was because yvonne and i were considering uh mccann for her she's always wanted an suv and it's like, I got the cool new car. I was like, oh, maybe we should probably get you something other than, you know, a minivan. And we both absolutely hate the Macan.

Starting point is 01:52:34 Just the interior is just cluttered. The stupid, the visor. It doesn't come far enough. And you just get sun in your eyes if it's coming in from the side So this like almost like denied them a purchase. Yeah. Yeah, cuz We're still gonna check out the all-electric one when it comes but this is not this is not a good showing for it The gearing is really funky which obviously wouldn't affect an electric one Like it'll it'll go from first to set it'll it'll stay in first up to like 18 kilometers

Starting point is 01:53:05 an hour and then by the time you're going like 42 it's in fourth so it's like really lurchy um it's it's like it's not how i would shift and it has paddles but why do i what year is it i don't know why do i have to use paddles like give me a proper manual transmission sure yeah i'm good with that oops punch my phone i'm good with that but i, but I don't want to dink around with stupid paddles. Original Minecraft specs, or at least as close as I can get to it, which is very likely not actually original, but pretty close. Intel P4, or its AMD equivalent, 2 gigs of RAM. Intel for GPU, Intel GMA 950 or amd equivalent and at least 90 megabytes

Starting point is 01:53:49 of hard drive space that's minimum specs okay well that's definitely not the case anymore yeah recommended specs was an intel pentium d or amd athlon 64 uh four gigs of RAM, and a GeForce 6000 series or ATI Radeon 9000 series with 150 megabytes of hard drive space. Sorry, I'm just looking at the modern requirements. They're still pretty light, actually. I wouldn't expect them to be too crazy, but... Core i3-3210. Yeah, or like...

Starting point is 01:54:28 Man, these are friggin' slow, these things. Yeah, that's not great. 2 gigs RAM. Yeah, I mean, Intel... So wait, the RAM requirement has never changed. Yeah. Minimum RAM requirement has always been 2 gigs. You need a minimum of 1 gigabyte of hard drive space.

Starting point is 01:54:42 That's a lot more. It was originally 90 megs. Oh, okay. That's fair. GeForce 400 series or Radeon 7000. That's also a decent jump considering the recommended was originally a GeForce 6000 series. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's a big jump.

Starting point is 01:55:02 Yeah. Yeah, like a 460 is a lot of GPU compared to a 6600 GT or something. Okay. Yeah, so there are definitely precedents for this, but maybe part of it is that it feels like it happened really fast. Yes. Cyberpunk came out like two, three years ago, right? Yeah, it doesn't necessarily feel like um like with minecraft it's like it kind of evolved with what is effectively a minimum spec

Starting point is 01:55:32 computer like if you even had the original minimum spec of a minecraft computer around i'd be like very surprised if it was still working. But the Cyberpunk one, the original min spec is still a pretty decent computer. I don't know. And this is a good point. You can still play older versions of Minecraft. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:55:57 In Cyberpunk, you're locked out. Mind you, it's been brought up that GOG apparently manages previous versions a little bit better. So I don't actually know for sure that you won't be able to play an older version of Cyberpunk. Maybe that's something that will require some kind of investigation. If that's possible, then this is cool. All right.

Starting point is 01:56:19 There's a couple more things I want to do real quick before we do When After Dark. I'd like to talk about the reddit api protests that have caused site instability yeah that reddit crashed for three hours on monday after over 8 000 subreddits switched to private or read-only mode in protest of the platform's new api fees on tuesday reddit ceo steve huffman sent out a company-wide memo downplaying the user protest talk about poking the bear just utterly unnecessarily. Yeah, because you know that's going to leak. It leaked to The Verge shortly after, because of course it did,

Starting point is 01:56:50 and Huffman claimed in the memo that the blackout hadn't had any significant revenue impact and that he anticipates that all the subreddits will return by Wednesday and everything will be fine. It's because they don't make any money. Currently, around 5,000 subreddits are still private or locked

Starting point is 01:57:05 huffman also warned employees to be mindful of wearing reddit gear in public uh that is kind of stupid and fear-mongering i don't think anyone was mad at like the average random reddit employee people are mad at him specifically like it's not reddit employees it's slash you slash spez like it's not it's it's pretty specific where that hate is concentrated right now um huffman has made some pretty odd claims in the last few weeks um including apparently saying that the developer for the apollo app tried to blackmail reddit and telling a journalist from the verge that the developer for the Apollo app tried to blackmail Reddit and telling a journalist from The Verge that the developer for the RIF app refused to talk with Reddit. Both developers have shared their past communications with Reddit, refuting these claims. The site suffered another significant outage on Thursday afternoon, and Reddit sent a message

Starting point is 01:57:57 to several moderators attempting to solicit mods who are willing to work with them to overthrow their fellow moderators and reopen the subreddits um they seem to be getting for for a company that's cool as a cucumber this is not affecting our revenue they're resorting to some pretty weird desperate stuff there was also a post in the float plane chat from nicholas have you heard about reddit restoring deleted comments of users who are leaving the platform as a way to ensure that if you leave and delete all your content as an act of protest, they will still keep the value of everything you posted? Like, okay, here's a take that people maybe don't want to hear. I'm really surprised they haven't been way more drastic about this. Very, very surprised.

Starting point is 01:58:47 I'd be freaking out. It's pretty clear. If anyone knows how to like raise a s*** storm online, it's Reddit. Oh, yeah. And they sure did it. Which, yeah, you probably should have expected them to do because you're absolutely right. Like, look at Wall Street bets. They brought down giant investment for it.

Starting point is 01:59:04 Like, that was all done on Reddit. These are the people you know but what is surprising to me is that they haven't taken a way more ham-fisted approach and just been like no we have your sub is actually open yeah we have disabled the ability for subs that at this date were open to be closed right now and maybe you make it so that newly created subs can be created in a private state, but you can't make subreddits with a certain amount of subscribers to them that were public. You can no longer make them private or something.

Starting point is 01:59:37 I'm very surprised they haven't done that. Someone in Floatplane Chat said, "'Restoring comments runs afoul of multiple privacy laws.'" Yeah, absolutely. Like this is gonna be a huge problem for them Yep I've already ran into an issue I googled the answer to a problem I was having and it ran me into a private subreddit that sucked a lot that was

Starting point is 02:00:03 Annoying but I think it's kind of necessary. I'm solidly on the side of the developers. Reddit has not engaged with them in good faith. Developers as in, that's going to get confusing. Developers as in the Reddit is fun and Apollo developers. Yeah. Right? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:00:18 So basically the developers of tools that relied on Reddit acting in good faith, who are now screwed over because Reddit diddit acting in good faith who are now screwed over because reddit did not act in good faith what reddit's doing is legal but legal is the absolute bare minimum if you have integrity then you should you should act in good faith and reddit hasn't they've they've lied they've obscured they have um yeah like, like there's absolutely ways that they could have worked with these apps to. Be sustainable, to keep everybody sustainable. Because if they just appealed to people and they were like, hey. This is the problem.

Starting point is 02:00:57 Reddit's not making money. These are real numbers. The alternative is we shut down. How do we work together to solve this? Yeah. That's a totally different situation, but it's obviously not what happened. I feel like they could have taken this insanely powerful,

Starting point is 02:01:11 often chaotic force that is the Reddit user base and actually... Harnessed it. Yeah. Instead of just poking the bear as hard as you possibly can. Like, this whole thing just feels incredibly poorly thought out and planned and executed and everything else. So naturally Reddit users have come up with creative new ways to protest.

Starting point is 02:01:34 r slash pics, a community with 30 million subscribers has decided that henceforth all images will be of John Oliver looking sexy. That is so random and so Reddit-like. Hilarious. So what, just everything posted here that isn't that just gets deleted or or like apparently very funny very very funny oh man that's hilarious all righty then apparently gifs did it too makes sense to me it's kick.com back yet oh i i saw it start to load in and i switched to my

Starting point is 02:02:29 screen and it was not oh my god uh r slash gifts has been renamed to gifts of john oliver um oh my god and it's just it's it's gifs of John Oliver. Yeah. Perfect. Amazing. Amazing. That's it. All right. Frankly, I like it better now. I'm going to spend more time on Reddit. Good gravy.

Starting point is 02:03:01 There's a lot of merch messages. Dan, what have you done why did you send so many merch messages yeah Dan I'm just trying to keep this company afloat afloat plane hey very good

Starting point is 02:03:17 is there more stuff to go over Turkey nah I think that's it then. I think Turkey was the last one. Rockstar removed a bunch of vehicles from Grand Theft Auto Online. Oh, yeah, and they put them in some paid thing. Yeah, they said they were lesser-used vehicles to streamline the browsing experience for the shop.

Starting point is 02:03:36 So players were surprised to find that 27% of the game's vehicle section was removed, including popular cars like the Comet SR, and then that many of the cut cars have instead been rolled into a GTA Plus subscriber exclusive store. LOL, got him! GTA Plus is not available on PC or legacy consoles, only PS5 and Xbox Series X and S. Players who had already bought one of the cars will be able to keep it, and players can also spin the game's lucky wheel once every 24 hours for a chance to win the newly paywalled cars. Rockstar also said that some of the removed cars might be available as part of future events. This is terrible. Yeah, that's all I really have to say about that. I think we can all agree that Rockstar sucks. For this. They do other stuff that's good.

Starting point is 02:04:27 But this sucks, objectively. And if you think it doesn't suck, you're wrong. Yep. Happy to help. All right, WAN show after dark, let's go. He's doing it. He's on it. I'm going to beat him over there.

Starting point is 02:04:42 Oh, crap. Oh, you didn't even try. I feel like you would have won if crap. Oh, you didn't even try. I feel like you would've won if you just dedicated. You didn't even try. I don't know if he knows how to set it correctly. That just gives me an excuse to walk in front of the camera more. Does he know the number, though? I don't know.

Starting point is 02:05:03 This is easy. Yeah. And I helped. and i helped thank you linus someone in flow play chat said i've graduated middle school high school and college since gta 5 came out there's yeah i don't know if there's going to be any merch messages about it but i am uh fully engaged on the hype train for a game right now in a way that I don't think I have been in, like... Starfield. Yeah. I knew it.

Starting point is 02:05:33 Dude. I'm so excited. How can you let yourself get caught up in that? I believe his lies! Okay? Me too, but I'm not going to try and admit it to myself. I don't care. I'm so stoked.

Starting point is 02:05:45 I've been hurt so many times. It looks so cool. With what? This is something that I genuinely... I have honestly very often been very confused about the hate for Bethesda. No, not just Bethesda. Just in general. 76, ridiculous.

Starting point is 02:05:58 There's a bunch of things. But when you hate the mainline games... Elder Scrolls Online? Is there hate for that? Elder Scrolls Online? Yeah, is there hate for that? Didn't it just suck? You complained about it to me.

Starting point is 02:06:07 Oh, I didn't like the game. Well, okay. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. For their mainline games. Literally my primary source about how much butt it sucked. For their mainline games. Yeah, Horse Armor.

Starting point is 02:06:21 Yeah, yeah. We have Bethesda to blame. But Oblivion was a good game. They started it. But Oblivionda to blame. But Oblivion was a good game. They started it. But Oblivion was a good game. Oblivion was a great game. It was a very good game. Fantastic game.

Starting point is 02:06:31 I enjoyed it. Yeah. Amazing game. Fallout 4, did not like it as much as Fallout 3. Fallout 4, amazing game. Still an amazing game, even though I didn't like it as much as 3. I didn't like it as much as three i didn't like as much as vegas either vegas was fantastic okay i think it's gonna be great okay yeah you know what game i have not been enjoying tears of the kingdom really i've only just started the

Starting point is 02:07:03 building mechanics and stuff i'm still on like the starting island and stuff uh but i've i mean i've put a couple hours into it man the way that the way that breath of the wild just sucked me in it's it's just not there but then i think part of it was what i talked to about before where breath of the Wild was an amazing experience and a wonderful world to explore. And I dug around and climbed around and then I was done. And then expansion content came out and I went, no, I think I have done this. And that's fine. And then Tears of the Kingdom came out and there's tons of cool

Starting point is 02:07:46 stuff in it and i you know my news feed because i was following it up till the release is still full of people who are building functioning cars out of you know pots and stuff like that or whatever and i'm like starfield you can build your own spaceship and it's like that sounds really cool but i don't have time for that and other than that this is breath of the wild and for me i don't have time to play every game so if i only have time to play some games it's gonna be hockey do i play breath of the Wild 2 or do I play Slapshot Rebound? Yeah Yeah Something different a new experience The best most accurate hockey simulator of all time also known as Slapshot Rebound. Luke and I have been a little bit

Starting point is 02:08:37 enamored with this game lately it is Really really really frustrating. It's very hard. It's kind of great, though. To be clear, I'm not saying that Tears of the Kingdom is a bad game by any stretch of the imagination. When I say that a game is Breath of the Wild, but better and more and whatever, expanded, Breath of the Wild is, if i'm being honest with myself probably my

Starting point is 02:09:06 favorite game of all time i just completed it yeah and that's okay you can just be done with things yeah like there's um there's a bunch of stuff like that i don't know that's fine please remind your user base to not pre-order i mean sure it just doesn't matter there's no like i will be less defeated some other day and i'm sure i'll i'll champion it more but there's the like don't buy mic microtransactions in games because you will literally ruin an entire section of gaming called mobile gaming if you do so and the whole internet's just not gonna care at all diablo immortal is gonna come out and we're all gonna be like hey don't buy any of the microtransactions and then they'll make tens of millions of dollars a day because people will be like no screw you i'm gonna burn my money

Starting point is 02:10:01 like i just so at a certain point it's like okay don't don't don't pre-order ha ha they're gonna do it anyways they don't care what's the point i don't know what would disappoint me more if my kids bought a microtransaction or brought home like a dumb so i want them to not be shallow it's not how do you define how do you define um microtransaction i i mean okay i i should i should clarify i think for a free-to-play game where we're talking cosmetic benefits and you spend a reasonable box game price on some stuff that you think is kind of cool or whatever, it's your money. I've done developer-supporting microtransactions for sure. However, however, I think that while the line is blurry, there are certainly areas that are clearly over it where we've gone past what makes sense and what is reasonable and into what doesn't make sense and isn't reasonable.

Starting point is 02:11:16 Yeah. Yeah. Like I've, uh, I, I played the crap out of rocket league and when I bought rocket league, it was like $4 or something. So partway through my vast amount of playing rocket league, I i bought rocket league it was like four dollars or something so part way through my vast amount of playing rocket league i was like you know i probably owe them a little bit more than the like four dollars that i spent on this game so i bought i think it was a couple battle passes or something there was also way back in the day i used to play a ton of league of legends it was a free game so i like bought like two skins or something yeah i i don't think anyone

Starting point is 02:11:45 would say that that's totally unreasonable yeah but then when you pay like full fat price for some game and then also dip into the store a bunch it's like yeah it's it's the triple it's the triple dipping, right? Like if you have a season pass, so you have to buy the game, so you have a season's pass. Or a monthly subscription. You have additional things that you can buy. And it's like, come on.

Starting point is 02:12:15 Yeah. Come on. Yeah. It's tough. It's tough. Yeah, loot boxes. Yeah, loot boxes are clearly over my line. If you don't know what you're buying,

Starting point is 02:12:25 then you haven't bought something. You've gambled. That's it. That's very clear. I think that's a really clear line to draw. Thank you, who is it? That's a big one, too. Radioactive in floatplane chat.

Starting point is 02:12:37 Yeah. Thanks for being a smart whale. Well, I subscribe to floatplane. There are whales. Yeah. Thanks, whales. You can't really whale out onatplane. There are whales. Yeah. Thanks, whales. You can't really whale out on Floatplane, to be fair. We should add whale tiers.

Starting point is 02:12:50 Why don't we have whale tiers? Go for it. I mean, do you want to be the one to extract a whale tier? That sounds like a lot of work. You still have the best joke of the show, though. I don't even remember what it was but it was amazing Something about Jesus rising again Or something

Starting point is 02:13:08 Oh yeah yeah yeah when Jesus got banned from Twitch And came back as on brand Best joke of the month at least Maybe the year I liked it I thought it was very good If you guys can find a better WAN show joke, I will be impressed.

Starting point is 02:13:29 All right, what else we got going on? Oh, right. Oh, my goodness. We need to do some merch messages. We got to get out of here. It's dark. Yeah. Let's see.

Starting point is 02:13:37 We've got a lot of curated ones. If you guys want to be going through potentials. Okay. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Before you go. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Porto in floatplane chat just linked me a pcmr tweet um which i can i can share my screen uh there we go most of steam's recent top sellers are games that haven't been released or have any independent reviews out yet also known as the top one that is a game being Starfield.

Starting point is 02:14:08 What's the point? Why do we even bother? Who cares? Some expansion for Cyberpunk that's not out yet. F1, there's no reviews for it. I don't know if it's out yet or not. Other games that aren't out yet. These are the top sellers.

Starting point is 02:14:26 Games that aren't out yet are the top sellers. There has been a campaign for years to get people to stop pre-ordering. And almost all of the top sellers are games that are not out yet. Just want Starfield to be good. I'll be at the bottom of the potentials. that are not out yet. Just want Starfield to be good. I'll be at the top.

Starting point is 02:14:49 I'll be at the bottom of the potentials. Okay. Luke, do you want to start at the top? I will go at the top. All right, let's get to it. Is Labs going to be the only first-party information that is tested in-house? Or if there is data that you can't test that is already out there,

Starting point is 02:15:04 would you include that data on the website hmm it's going to be only first party information list oh if there's data that you can't test that is already out there would you include that oh i see okay yeah so that kind of comes back to a question someone asked earlier about whether we would allow users to submit their own reviews because you know from my point of view part of a user submitting a review could be submitting some form of data and obviously we wouldn't be able to take something like game fps because it would be collected in a non-controlled environment with variables that the butt, right?

Starting point is 02:15:46 Like we can't deal with that. But there are potential pieces of data that we could potentially take from users. I think what you're asking, though, is whether we would... So anyway, we would want to try to find a way to do that in a verified way. But I think what you're asking is if there is third party data that is just generally available on the web, would we include that? Again, the same challenges where if we're not the ones running the tests, we have no control over the test parameters, and we don't know if we can trust it. So that was that's pretty tough. That's

Starting point is 02:16:20 not really aligned with our vision. And the bigger issue is that we'd have to find outlets that would want to give us permission for it. Like, I think a really good example of something that we would have wanted to do is all of the reviews and data collected by DP Review over the years, which shut down recently. We would have loved to host that, but I don't think Amazon probably had any interest in selling it or they or they would have so it's just disappeared forever um you know hi all do you expect game linked to be a direct competitor to currently existing games news channels such as game ranksanks Friday News Show. How will you guys differentiate? Well, one of the ways we can differentiate is by I've never even

Starting point is 02:17:11 heard of that channel, which isn't to say they're not a Game Ranks. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure they're a big channel and a big deal. Yeah. I just, I, I don't know anything about that. So if we just do our own thing, then probably what we do will be different because it's hard to copy someone else's wheel when you're over here inventing your own wheel in a little corner by yourself um i mean i from my point of view um the benefit of game linked is going to be that it's the the linked crew right like it's it's our unique spin on what we think is important what we think is cool it's the way we do stuff our humor yeah it's it's it's our way of doing things and so if you guys like that then you like that and if you like

Starting point is 02:17:53 game rank then game ranks excuse me then you like game ranks and you watch that like i i i think there's a an enormous audience and i i don't think that this is a zero-sum game it's come to my attention that there has been some some word going around at a recent trade show that Linus Media Group is somehow in the business of of stamping out smaller content creators and I just i feel like that is such a um an utterly brain dead take that i just don't even really know how to respond to it other than to say that that is an utterly brain dead take um you know on the one hand and game ranks will be fine yeah that's that's exactly it absolutely there are so many eyeballs out there there There is so much advertising money out there. There is absolutely no shortage of ways to make money for high quality original content.

Starting point is 02:18:57 So if your concern is competition, then I consider that to be a very anti-consumer take. You should want competition we should all want to push each other to do better and that's something that i've been saying for many years has never changed obviously we're over here trying to compete but we're competing in the sense that we're trying to make better higher quality content all the time. That's a good thing. And if you object to that, why? So you can phone it in and no one will do it better? Well, that's stupid.

Starting point is 02:19:34 You should be constantly trying to do it better, which I would wholeheartedly encourage you to do. And I'm going to be constantly trying to do it better, which you should wholeheartedly encourage me to do so that we can hold each other accountable. That's competition. That's good for the viewer. That's good for the viewer that's good for the consumer and if you disagree you it's that simple there you go and game ranks is like awesome and they'll be completely fine yeah i'm sure we will eat zero percentage of their pie because like someone when you're full playing chat said don't just watch

Starting point is 02:20:05 both sweet sounds good yeah it's great hey d like if i'm interested in a game oh here he goes like starfield an upcoming game you're gonna get hurt you're gonna get hurt i'm gonna watch both of them i'm gonna get hurt it's gonna be not what anybody expects it happens so often i don't want to be every mainline game they have ever released i have loved yeah same i expect this to be the same i'm on the hype train with you yeah so like what's the i don't know yeah i didn't like 76 wasn't a mainline game i didn't like eso when it launched i've heard it's better now i don't know i don't really care rationalize me daddy how though every mainline game they've released has been good. How do you combat that?

Starting point is 02:20:50 I'm trying to stop my heart getting ruined. All right, let's move on. We got to jump off this cliff together, Dan. All right, deal. Hey, DLL. I'm making Linus and Luke EU commissioners. Are there any tech companies? What?

Starting point is 02:21:06 I don't know. Did I read that right? Commissioners, yeah. Are there any tech companies that you would want broken up or forced to make their proprietary open or... Open in order to foster more competition. Sorry, I'll help you. I'm getting caught up here. to foster more competition. Sorry, yeah. I'll help you.

Starting point is 02:21:27 I'm getting caught up here. It's painful. Good job, Dan. Anyway, tech companies we want broken up or forced to make their proprietary solutions open. Well, the thing is, I'm not... broken up. I'm not broken up.

Starting point is 02:21:50 Probably the most influential hyper-proprietary company these days would be Apple. And it's like, man, it's tough because you look at things like i think rcs versus imessage is a really good example of how um you know apple users will look at imessage and the the path that apple has forged with imessage and go well this is clearly better um and that's good and you know what you're not wrong it is it is better than sms in particular and it might even be better than RCS. But Apple could also be collaborative with the rest of the industry and make everything better, but they don't. Apple specifically makes their stuff better. And if it degrades the experience for others, well, ha ha, you should have bought an iPhone. It's sort of a crappy attitude.

Starting point is 02:22:52 I don't know that I would force them, though. I don't really know if you can force that. I think you just have to tell consumers that they should just use something else and that won't work and then we'll be left with this yeah i i don't i don't think i would want to force them to do that let's see if anyone has any interesting suggestions hey lld i'm a okay no no go ahead i'm a usa long haul. My company is looking at enforcing AI driver facing dash cams. I am concerned about privacy.

Starting point is 02:23:28 What are some topics I can bring up to make sure the data is safe? I think the best way, oh man, this is a tough one. AI driver facing dash cams. Your privacy is f***ed. Because realistically, the reason they want them is to monitor attentiveness, to monitor, you know, being on task during the job or, you know, whatever else. There's all these reasons that they're going to monitor them. And all the reasons, all the motivations that they have to monitor them would be not fulfilled if they were to do this in a way that correctly manages your privacy.

Starting point is 02:24:10 Like if they if, for example, all the data was stored locally and only pulled in the event that they needed to review something by pulling it, you know, out of your truck physically. But then, you know, they're going to say, well, we can't do that, because then, you know, if something bad happened, and you wanted to maliciously destroy the evidence, then you would have access to it before we would, and we can't have that. And I see their point, right? Because, you know, if there's an at fault, you know, accident or something like that, they don't want to give you an opportunity to destroy that evidence right um that's their liability and that's you know that's their that's their right to be concerned about that but that means that your data is probably not going to be stored properly that's tough

Starting point is 02:24:58 i don't have i don't have a good answer um i mean you could go like yeah you could go we've got trevor w go and convince all the other drivers to vandalize their cameras they can't I don't have a good answer. I mean, you could go like, yeah, you could go, we've got Trevor W. Go and convince all the other drivers to vandalize their cameras. They can't fire all of you. I mean, yeah, it's some old school union tactics. I mean. You need to bring those back.

Starting point is 02:25:15 Yeah, Trevor's not really wrong. I mean, I would personally not advocate for the destruction of anyone's property. advocate for the destruction of of anyone's property um however you know i if you really don't want that camera in your cabin i'd say that's about the only way that you are going to get anyone's attention like i get it i totally get it i get why they want to do it and in fact some of why they want to do it might even be to enforce safety protocols, right? Making sure that you're not driving too much in a way that's not only unsafe to you, but unsafe to other people on the road. I completely get it.

Starting point is 02:25:59 But it ain't taking care of your privacy. Yeah. It's kind of weird too, because like, where's, where's the line? Cause a bunch of these people sleep in their trucks, right?

Starting point is 02:26:14 Cause like one, one generally not in the driver's seat, but yeah, one reaction that I first had was like tons of people are on camera when they're on shift. People, a lot of people here are on camera when they're on shift. I'm on camera right now. Yeah. And not even that one no like i'm pretty sure there's probably

Starting point is 02:26:28 a security camera somewhere like there's there's actually cameras all over the place there's a huge amount of the workforce that's on camera 100 of the time but it it feels like more invasive to be in the cab of one of those trucks especially if it's one of the long haul ones that you're going to spend a lot of time not on shift in. Yeah, I mean, we don't put a camera right on the top of someone's monitor. We just have cameras sort of generally in the space so that we can, okay, if I'm remote

Starting point is 02:26:54 and the building's not armed, I can be like, is anybody in there? No, okay, I'll arm the building, right? That's why we have the cameras in the bathroom to make sure that we don't accidentally miss anybody. Really? That was going to take that long to register? Wow.

Starting point is 02:27:10 I was reading something. You doing okay? Slash S. Slash S. Yeah, I don't know. Dan? The future's weird. Some of it sucks. Hey, DLL.

Starting point is 02:27:24 Good morning from Ireland. Linus, when your kids get older, if they wish to become more involved in home videos and allow their names to be published, would you let them? Yeah, I mean, I think my son's getting pretty close to the age where realistically most of his friends know what his dad does and, um, you you know he doesn't have like in-person anonymity anymore i think that it's the kind of thing that i wouldn't want to push it super hard like if he wanted to start making videos i think i would i would support that um i don't know it's it's it's uh it's tough i would definitely want to kind of coach him through it. I think there's things that I did in my career that I would go back and undo. Um, I think I would spend

Starting point is 02:28:13 a lot less time sort of sharing random personal thoughts, often poorly formulated and even more poorly articulated on social media, for example. Um days, I mostly just let the content kind of speak for itself. I think that's a much healthier place to be. And I would strongly encourage my kids to take a similar approach. Obviously, I'm just their stupid dad or whatever at the end of the day. Even if I do happen to be an expert in the field, they're going to do whatever the f*** they want because they're kids. But at least you can kind of try and guide it that way um yeah it's tough fortunately it hasn't really come up lately

Starting point is 02:28:54 because i i've actually told him that he can start a channel if he wants but there are some prerequisites that he has to hit in order to do it and he's just been kind of too lazy about it and i intentionally set the bar kind of high so that's where we're at right now we're stable hey lld data transfer is the main cost for a streaming platform would a peer-to-peer protocol make it viable for a company like floatplane to compete with the casinos and be giants uh none of those have really ever been great to be honest i didn't hear the entire thing but p2p video streaming yeah p2p or or like crypto chain stuff. They've always had some issues. So I don't know. I haven't seen a solution in that space

Starting point is 02:29:50 that has been good enough yet, in my opinion. Maybe it'll happen someday. Float chain? Good name. Hey, Linus. You have talked about privateering a lot on The WAN Show. Do you ever worry about a large media company coming after you legally and using things you have said on the show against you?

Starting point is 02:30:13 Not really, because, you know, whenever we talk about privacy or whenever we show copyrighted content on camera, we are at least cognizant of fair use law, which is applicable in our jurisdiction. Also, you know, I'm pretty careful to talk about sort of my approach to ethical piracy. You know, I, yeah, I will shamelessly download a ripped copy of Tears of the Kingdom and use that. And I will shamelessly download a ripped firmware file or whatever else. As long as I own a Nintendo Switch, I bought two. As long as I own a copy of Tears of the Kingdom, bought two by accident.

Starting point is 02:30:57 Long story. We needed one for a shoot and then it turned out we are like already someone else bought. Anyway, it doesn't matter. The point is I own that. I'll play it on an ROG Ally if I feel like it, or I'll play it on my desktop if I feel out we are like already someone else bought anyway it doesn't matter the point is i own that i'll play it on an rog ally if i feel like it or i'll play it on my desktop if i feel like it at the end of the day nintendo got their money which is what makes the world go around and i think they would be they would be absolutely crazy to go after me for something like this as a legitimate user who's

Starting point is 02:31:20 not showing other people how to do it who who's not distributing any of this content, but who has just decided that their ancient stupid handheld is ancient and I don't feel like playing games at 30 FPS. I don't know. I mean, a company like Nintendo, you never know. But I think in most cases, the PRL that they're going to end up taking going after someone like me who is really not the problem. The problem is people who aren't giving them money, right? I don't know. I just, I don't, I don't see it happening.

Starting point is 02:32:01 It's not a challenge, by the way. Hi, Wen DLL. it's not a challenge by the way hi when dll do you have any thoughts on the writer's strike especially regarding its concerns with ai do you think a lmg will rely less on human writers and more on ai in the future yeah absolutely i mean i think that as a business right now, you've got to have a death wish if you're not looking at machine learning, large language models, AI, whatever it is that you want to call it, and trying to figure out how to build that into your workflow. I think that upcoming vertical specific channels might have episodes that are in almost entirely written by AI and then edited by a writer. So we just hand it a labs data sheet and basically say, go, you know, write a summary in this style. And those videos are super formulaic, like realistically, okay,

Starting point is 02:33:00 power supplies, right? The B450M and B550M and B650M, you know, you might get a human who sits down and talks through the B series or something like that. But if our goal is to have a dedicated video for basically every product, so you can get just fundamental information about it by just entering a part number into a youtube search we're not realistically going to be able to do that without some degree of automation so yeah i think it's absolutely going to be part of the plan is luke a lord of the rings fan yes do dll have any thoughts or hot takes on remaking IPs and expanding cinematic universes? I don't think that it's a particularly hot take to say that any IP that is based on the magnum opus of, you know, a generational talent

Starting point is 02:34:03 that then deviates from the original content is bound to be dog sh**. I have not even thought about watching the new Lord of the Rings stuff. I don't know if it's good. I don't know if it's bad. I don't care. I have no interest.

Starting point is 02:34:18 This is like what you were talking about earlier with Breath of the Wild. You're like, I loved Breath of the Wild. It's very possibly my favorite game of all time and i don't necessarily desire for more it was good it's done i watched the lord of the rings movies they were amazing they had a very large impact on my family in particular we had posters of them all over the place the hobbit is what got me into reading i didn't like reading and then my i think it was my mom started reading the hobbit is what got me into reading i didn't like reading and then my i think

Starting point is 02:34:46 it was my mom started reading the hobbit to me because it's pennsylvania i didn't because i didn't like i didn't like reading at the time and i was like whoa this is really cool and then i got into the hobbit i got into lord of the rings i got into the harry potter books back then all these other different types of things. Really big for my family. And it's good. It can sit there in its little wrapped with a bow on it package and never really be touched again. It's like the Star Wars stuff.

Starting point is 02:35:18 I'm just ignoring that there's any new ones at this point. Yeah. Well, the thing you're figuring out is that it's just branding. At the end of the day, some new Lord of the Rings won't be lord of the rings it'll be some it's a licensed ip and it's some entirely new thing written by someone who didn't write lord of the rings and does probably doesn't fully understand it again i i haven't watched rings of power i don't really care to i'm not as into lord of the rings as he is even like i haven't even made it through the books i've tried quite a few times i i it's got to be because the to the Tolkien estate won't allow it or something like

Starting point is 02:35:48 I would read an abridged Lord of the Rings trilogy like if someone could just cut out definitely a little like if someone could cut out the bullshit that everyone knows is bullshit um then I would definitely sit down and read them my buddy and I used to watch Gladiator surprisingly often, but we would just skip to all the fight scenes. Okay. I don't think Gladiator is an example of a film that actually has a ton of utterly unnecessary content. I agree. It's an amazing movie, but it's, yeah, I don't know.

Starting point is 02:36:19 That's not the only kind of movie you and your buddy skipped around to different scenes in. That's how you watch movies. Lord of the Rings books definitely... They were written for a time where people had a much larger, longer attention span. I think that's what's going on. There's also some weird stuff. If you've only watched uh the movies going

Starting point is 02:36:46 back and reading the books there's some stuff that didn't go into the movies that is that is odd to say the least tom bombadil literally at all that's just like that's where i stop every time tom bombadil yeah because i i just like i have ocd and i have to read the whole book i can't just actually skip a bunch of chapters of a book. That's not how my brain works. And I just. I'm so bored. This is so creepy.

Starting point is 02:37:16 So f***ing stupid. Singing and what's happening. And like he transforms into an animal or something. What is happening right now? I don't. I can't do this yeah yeah yeah anyways hello Dan at all question for Luke and Linus what is a feature in cars that you thought was stupid before you tried and now cannot live without

Starting point is 02:37:42 um oh wow cannot live without his tough i recently downgraded my vehicle from a porsche tycan turbo s to a chevy volt so i was driving the volt for the first almost three weeks actually i was driving it for a while after because i don't like the mccann and i just kept driving the volt but then logistics got mad at me because technically the volt belongs to the company now so i have to give it back yeah um but i i went from a turbo a taikan turbo s to a chevy volt and um probably the biggest noticeable change was that i really liked having my leather steering wheel back like yeah obviously it doesn't accelerate as fast. Like, I just, yeah, it doesn't meaningfully change my life. And so for me to say cannot live without air conditioning, you know, like upgrading the Civic to the Volt.

Starting point is 02:38:41 But you'd have to, part of the question was that you, like, disliked it at first or something, right? Oh, right. Oh, right. Oh, yeah. I've always liked air conditioning. Yeah, there's literally nothing for me. I also still have a car from like 2009. Initially?

Starting point is 02:38:55 Okay. I've got something. I initially disliked power windows. Really? I was like, that's stupid. This is far more reliable. And then what I learned is that actually the mechanical ones are not very reliable yeah and now I prefer power windows but I still hate

Starting point is 02:39:12 utterly unnecessary um like electronic door mechanisms like on the the on my 2016 Honda Odyssey it just it makes me angry every single time. This should just be a latch and it should just have an electronic lock like every other door on this car. Why is it an electronic mechanism for the latch? That makes no sense to me. And ours actually broke. So it was like validating. This is unreliable this is stupid my personal anecdotal experience is more important than whatever engineering reasons they had

Starting point is 02:39:52 for implementing it this way slash s I'm just gonna do that from now on because people can't tell it's not a bad idea hey DLL LTT content oh I have another one backup cameras That's not a bad idea. Hey, DLL, LTT content. Oh. Oh, no. I have another one.

Starting point is 02:40:07 Backup cameras. Oh, God. I hated backup cameras. Really? Yeah, and the one on the Volt is amazing. The one on my Odyssey sucks. Was it like an elitist thing? I don't need this.

Starting point is 02:40:17 The one on the Taycan sucks. I wouldn't describe it as elitist, but I definitely didn't need it. I still don't need it. Is that why you didn't like it though well just have it or was it because the quality was bad or something what was the reason i just didn't need it yeah so it's elitist thing that's not elitist i just didn't need it so that because you didn't need it that made you dislike it yeah i just thought it was stupid not necessary it was like just added cost like why did i pay for this okay that's fair yeah all right all right but the one on the volt is awesome it shows you exactly where the like the outer wall of your tire will go isn't the one on yours your car like tycan one sucks i cannot even fathom how bad it is it's so odd

Starting point is 02:41:03 yeah just like the camera angle's stupid the lines aren't where the car goes it's how bad it is. It's so odd. The camera angle's stupid. The lines aren't where the car goes. It is barn-blowing how bad it is when my stupid Chevy that costs like a fifth as much is perfect. Yeah. Hey DLL,

Starting point is 02:41:20 LDD content has been a topic of lunch table discussions at multiple big tech companies I've worked in. What industry or product have you actually felt were impacted by your videos? Often we don't know. Yeah. Those discussions take place, like you said, internally. And the feedback often doesn't make its way back to us.

Starting point is 02:41:48 You know, I feel like my investment in Framework has been impactful. It was really cool seeing their factory, seeing them actually making these machines that are going to go to actual people who actually care about the mission. Like, that's really cool, but they're not a big company. I've been very surprised by the people. Not necessarily this. I think this one was more talking about products and companies, but companies are made up of people and people make products. So I'm extrapolating.

Starting point is 02:42:21 I don't know if it's fair, but I've been very surprised at the people that seem to have been impacted by our content. Um, like those, those dudes down at NASA, like it just, it seems so high level. Yeah. I guess like, wow, you're way smarter than me. Yeah. Why do you listen to anything I have to say? Yep.

Starting point is 02:42:39 Oh, because you spend all your time doing like smart guy and you don't have time to pay attention to this thing that I spend all my time doing. Cool. Yeah, yeah. But it's still just like, it's still like I get it, but it's still just, it's surprising. It's kind of cool. Hi, DLL.

Starting point is 02:43:00 Listening to the WAN show helps me get through work. Pretty Spotify listener. What's the biggest misstep you made getting LTT to where it is now? And how have you stopped it from happening again? I don't know. We've made some HR mistakes over the years. We're going to keep making them. People are messy. You know, that's going to keep making them. People are messy.

Starting point is 02:43:26 You know, that's not a knock against them. If people weren't, if everyone wasn't different, the world would be a really boring place. But, you know, it's hard to get, it's hard to get two people aligned on everything. Now try and get 100 people

Starting point is 02:43:39 aligned on everything. It's not going to happen, right? So everyone's got their own agenda and that's not a bad thing. It just, it's just a challenging thing and so yeah i'd say hr is the thing that we have and will continue to do most wrong hi lld just curious on the like to dislike ratio on the n64 unboxing did the predicted backlash manifest itself in any quantitative manner? That's a really good question. I doubt it because it didn't end up being a sealed N64. If it had been, I think people would have been pretty upset. I was really glad. It was actually not, it was not my decision. It was a decision made by dbrand or rather dbrand was too cheap to buy a sealed one because it was

Starting point is 02:44:27 like 16 grand or something like that. But they made the decision to not send any sealed inbox ones. And I'm extremely glad that they did. Because that would have been pretty bad. Oh, man, was it engagement engagement tab. It's so hard to just find basic stats these days. No 98% like dislike ratio, people seem to generally like that video that's above average engagement, the engagement tab. It's so hard to just find basic stats these days. Uh, no, 98% like dislike ratio. People seem to generally like that video. That's above average for that channel. Love what you guys do. Keep up the amazing work. Now for the question, if you've heard of it, thoughts on the Porsche's synthetic fuel, do you think it will ever be viable on a large scale? Being not an engineer, it's impossible for me to say.

Starting point is 02:45:06 I mean, there are things that exist today that I would have said will never happen. I mean, microprocessor, come on, you manufacture something that small? Impossible, right? And yet here we are. You know, I don't know if they're going to be able to manufacture at the kind of scale that we can pump, you know, dinosaurs out of the ground? Yes, I know it's not actually broken down dinosaurs that's debunked, but that doesn't matter. The point is oil. No, it doesn't look feasible to me, but I never would have thought that you could pump petroleum at the rate that they do today. So, you know, what do I know? It's obviously going to take time, but it's clear that there

Starting point is 02:45:46 are problems with electrification that do need to be solved and whether it's hydrogen fuel cell or whether it's alternative fuels um i hope i hope we can get there whether it's alternative anode and cathode materials you know know, that's another option. Or far more recyclable batteries so we can kind of keep reusing them. The way that we're going right now is not good. I just don't know the answer. Hey Linus, how is your Epson LS12000 holding up? I'm waiting on mine to come in as I build my home theater,

Starting point is 02:46:26 but I've heard some quality control issues. Mine's been good. I can't speak to any quality control issues because that inherently would affect a subset of units, but mine has been really solid. I absolutely love that thing. The only reason that I would look past it is if I could get something quieter.

Starting point is 02:46:44 And it's not loud. It's quiet for a projector. But I had aimed to have that room be like silent. And the projector's like right above you. And so even a quiet fan is still, you know, it's going there. So if I could get like a micro LED display or something like that in the future i would i'd be super into that hey ldl i'm really happy with performance and don't care about ray tracing how many generations is amd from being able to beat nvidia in a 4090 class card is being the strong value second to the goal um yeah it's impossible to say it all comes down to amd strategy right like they're

Starting point is 02:47:31 they've been they've gone all they're up in all over the place over the years when it comes to gpu it's obvious they really want to compete in data center right now like they just released a new radion instinct that's like super beefy or whatever else but there have been times when they're consumer focused and they don't even have a high end they're just kind of like oh yeah you just get more of the low-end ones like back when they did the 3870 or with Polaris the RX 480 and 580 there have been times when they've gone hard after top tier like they did with the r rx 290 series i guess it was whatever hawaii uh codename hawaii um i don't know they're all over the place they might not even do a high-end gpu next generation for all i know i mean i don't work at amd right um yeah hard to say i'd be surprised

Starting point is 02:48:21 if next gen they don't have something with 4090 performance but i've been surprised before is there um sorry sec it guy in floatplane chat asks why haven't we seen a mark rober collab yet you haven't yet i know mark he's a super cool guy and we do have something coming is there anything about ltx that has everyone sweating I know Mark. He's a super cool guy and we do have something coming. Is there anything about LTX that has everyone sweating? Everything. LTX is super stressful time for us. There's a lot of work to do. There's a lot to go wrong. If we absolutely nail it, you know, everyone will talk about what a great event it was. But if we screw something up um then everyone will talk about that one thing we screwed up so it's just it's a ton of pressure um yeah i think we're i think

Starting point is 02:49:14 the biggest thing we're sweating is is everyone gonna have fun is there gonna be enough to do and we're working hard on that guess what i have achieved my goal that I've had since the first LTX. There is a dunk tank. Do you volunteer as tribute? Yeah, I'm down, of course. All right, let's go. It's for charity. Oh, beautiful.

Starting point is 02:49:35 Yeah, so I think it's going to be BC Children's. I was in when I thought it was for nothing, but yeah, that's cool. For nothing. No, it would be for, I was going to charge for it regardless. Entertainment. Yeah, there you go. It's for the charity of Linus Media Group Incorporated. We've got a lab to build.

Starting point is 02:49:49 Yeah, there we go. Hi, DL and young Luke. It's currently 5 a.m. where I live, and I'm up with my three-month-old. Your voices have always helped soothe him. How old were you when you got into tech and what piqued your interest? Oh, very young. I don't know. Um, and it was definitely my dad, like unquestionably my dad. Um, yeah, I don't know. So, so young that I definitely don't remember. Uh, and my dad just having this unending curiosity for tech stuff is what did it for me.

Starting point is 02:50:31 Hey, DLL, just started a new job and the IT department asked me to DM them my single sign-on password. What is the most egregious security breach you've seen in your careers? most egregious security breach you've seen in your careers yeah i had the same reaction wow um i keep having to do that for linus and it's getting really irritating what oh just uh him dming me his passwords and me putting them in keeper form. Oh. I mean, that's... What? I never DMed you a password. No, no, it's never happened here. Oh, okay. As far as I know. Jeez. But the IT department asking that?

Starting point is 02:51:14 I wouldn't do that. Like, maybe the other way around. Did you hear the question? What? Restate the question. Oh. I just started a new job. What? Oh, that's really stupid. sorry oh okay i i was really focused on what's the most egregious and then i was hiding because i was expecting it to be something i did oh yeah for once not at all security stuff um uh i don't know i don't know yeah it probably

Starting point is 02:51:42 is something linus did um i mean, was it literally last WAN show you just like streamed an internal document and also literally shared the thing that that internal document that should never be shared had a thing on it saying not to share? But how cool was it to see the InProgress Labs website? The people love it. They love me. I give them what they want but yeah i don't know but all probably the most egregious egregious security things i have personally dealt with are probably from him um but i don't know i'm not sure but that's hilarious and uh that it person needs to go through some retraining or something i don't know

Starting point is 02:52:28 hi dll linus the cpu fidget spinner chat earlier got me thinking uh would you consider doing a program where people can send in their own old cpus to be turned into a fidget spinner given that part of the goal is reduce reuse recycle, recycle, et cetera, et cetera, I don't think that we would be looking to generate the kind of carbon emissions that would result from sending a particular old CPU, you know, halfway around the world and then back. I just don't think it makes any sense.

Starting point is 02:53:02 We can get a different old CPU that happens to already be here or is shipped in bulk and you'll be happy with that oh on the topic of mark rober mark rober just spoke at my graduation it got me thinking would you ever consider being a graduation speaker for a college or university um my actually my high school brought up the possibility they brought me in to give a little talk to some of the students at like a parent dinner night thing it was really fun actually it was cool um i i uh i went i went off script and talked about how

Starting point is 02:53:37 school's not the only path um you know i was just Hey, things they might not tell you. That's so, that's very Linus of you. That makes sense. But the administration actually loved it and said that, you know, asked if I would be interested in speaking at their, at their, at their graduation this year, it's June 16th and they haven't brought it up again. So clearly I'm not doing that, but yeah, I mean, it's the kind of thing I don't mind. I don't mind public speaking. I, I, I kind of like it actually. And it was, it was pretty fun to talk about something different. Uh, one of the things that the business team has been trying to get me onto is like the, uh, the, like the talk circuit, um, like speaker circuit. Um, we've had a few offers, like very generous offers. Like, like very generous offers.

Starting point is 02:54:25 Like, thank you very much. If you know anyone from these organizations is watching, but we just haven't found anything that really, you know, makes sense for me. You know, one of them was like, like an IT security conference or something like that. And I'm just looking at it going, this is not my wheelhouse, you know, on the subject of that recent merch message.

Starting point is 02:54:49 Like I, you know, I'd love to talk about, you know, something to do with whether it's influencer marketing or man, I'd love to talk about something to do with sort of consumer, the importance of consumer trust and building it and how, how brands destroy themselves by eroding the, their, their trust. Like, look, look how, how much trust did you have in Amazon 10 years ago? How much trust do you have in Amazon today? Yeah. Like basically they've gone from, yeah, Amazon will always do the right thing to Amazon doesn't give two hoots about the right thing and screw those guys. Right? Like that, that doesn't happen by accident that happens that happens methodically carefully over time that that trust gets eroded and it's the wrong kind of methodical the wrong kind of careful you're you're carefully

Starting point is 02:55:36 trying to uh you know abuse people just the right amount in just the right way and i think it sucks right so if the right thing came along if it was something i really wanted to talk about then uh i i would i would be really interested in it but the other thing is that it has to make financial sense and having me out of office for three days pretty unlikely one day travel one day event one day travel, one day event, one day travel back. That's a really high opportunity cost. A lot of what we do still kind of runs on Linus's sheer dragon energy these days. And it's something that we want to improve. But if you don't apply for that writer position, you know, then it's harder, right? I've done a few of those.

Starting point is 02:56:24 I actually find them kind of fun Yeah I kind of trolled the crap out of One of my previous educational Institutions Because they sent me a thing Saying that they wanted me to Headline some alumni

Starting point is 02:56:39 Event thing as like a Speaker And I was like yeah I left I sent them an email back being like i mean i'm down but i am not technically even a part of the thing that you're talking about yeah uh and i i don't remember i think they responded i don't remember what it was but i i didn't end up doing it for whatever reason. But I've done quite a few of those types of things. Hello, Luke and Linus. Actually, this is mostly a Linus question, but whatever happened to the gaming minivan?

Starting point is 02:57:17 It's back. We're working on it. The writer that was working on that project is no longer here. And so it's just been kind of in writing limbo. And so my stupid van is only sort of half converted to a gaming minivan. But it's coming. We have a plan. I think MSI is going to be sponsoring it. And we're going to use laptops for the for the systems. But we're going to come up with like cool monitor mounts. And we're going to get the batteries in there. solar panels are on which didn't happen in time for

Starting point is 02:57:48 the video so that'll be a cool update for part two really hear them on the highway not as aerodynamic as it once was that minivan um anywho yes it's coming and i think for bonus points we're going to try and get the works anywhere, like business class Starlink, so that you can be gaming online from anywhere. I'm pretty stoked. Hello, Linus. Would you rather get a Cod Damascus sink or toilet?

Starting point is 02:58:22 Sink. Gotta be the sink. I like the water kind of like, you know, washing down and like, you know, with the, with the, the, the folded steel look, you know, I'm into it. Luke and Linus, when you hang out from work, are you able to keep the conversation away from work and if so do you have any tips to keep conversation away from office things oh man oh man i did the worst i wouldn't even call it passive aggressive it was just active aggressive um at the retreat. Oh, what was that? That you're just not engaging with work conversations and sitting on the ally? I was talking. Oh, yeah, sure.

Starting point is 02:59:10 I was installing games for when we were going to play games later, you f***. You enjoyed the games. We found Mage Quit. Mage Quit was great. Yeah. No, I was researching A-player party games, and I was installing them. You were very often saying, I don't want to do work stuff right now, and then we'd be like, oh, I have to talk about quarterly or whatever. Okay, well, that I did. And you'd be like, ugh, fine. Yeah, that I was installing them. You were very often saying I don't want to do work stuff right now and then we'd be like oh I have to talk about quarterly whatever. Okay well that I did. Ugh fine.

Starting point is 02:59:28 Yeah that I did. Yeah. But when I was on the ally I was still listening. I was just idly like installing games and stuff. It was fine. I was engaged. Yeah fair enough. No that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about at our

Starting point is 02:59:42 work badminton night um we had someone just there are also like randoms just in the badminton community who come because they know people who know people and you know whatever anyway so we we have guests as well as as well as work people because we can't always fill it with work people and one of them is um I think, works at a tech company locally and, you know, knows of us. And anyway, started to talk to me about, you know, potentially, you know, covering the stuff there. And I'm like, I'm not working right now. And they're just like, oh, OK. Well, like, you know, I was just thinking, yeah, sorry, I'm really not working right now.

Starting point is 03:00:32 I am extremely not working right now. I've decided to be more direct with people. Sometimes you have to be. So how do I, I'm like, you reach out to the email address on our website. And they're like, okay, but I'm really just not working right now. I'm sorry. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:00:53 So the, the, like you really shouldn't have to be, but a lot of people, and it sounds like in this case, it was like this, a lot of people just aren't going to take the hint. So you just have to be really direct. Yep. It just is what it is yeah that was definitely the vibe i got super nice person just want to be very clear it's nothing personal i just wasn't working at that time not working right now yeah i'm just here so i don't get fined feel free to feel free to talk to me about work when i am working i'll even say the same thing to be born sometimes i'm like okay you get one more work thing i was gonna say like we'll we'll talk about work stuff

Starting point is 03:01:30 but usually it's short yeah and it's like not yeah it's not super laborious work stuff if that makes sense yeah yeah hi linus and team i work in engineering education and saw the videos of you and dust and learning about the saturn 5 i was wondering what still sticks out to you from that experience good or bad oh chatting with luke was amazing the uh not you better luke it usually is the one who like worked on a rocket. That's pretty cool. Yeah. I'm okay with that being better. That was super cool. Hi, big fan of the new house series. Of all the smartification you've added to your home,

Starting point is 03:02:15 what has been the biggest quality of life improvement for you and your family? I like not having to turn off lights. The smart lights suck, and there's a lot of problems with the implementation but just like when my hands are full and I'm walking in from the garage just walking in and not worrying about it

Starting point is 03:02:38 because the lights will just turn off in a bit I actually really like and so I do want to figure out how to make it more better the blinds I have done literally nothing with yet though I actually really like. And so I do want to figure out how to make it more better. The blinds I have done literally nothing with yet though. Most of them aren't even adopted by the controller yet. Hi, LLD.

Starting point is 03:02:59 What happens to items that are returned? Will there be an lttreturns.com? If they are still in brand new condition they are sold so we do we do sort them we don't just throw them in a dumpster do you see the do you see that uh article recently 850 billion dollars is wasted to returns now it's up like by double since 2020 yeah just online returns just being this like enormous just waste of everything uh incredible anyway uh yeah we do go through things and if it's in brand new condition then we'll resell it and i think that if it's not it actually goes in a bin first f um don't quote me on that though i know that there's something we don't throw things away that's really stupid first time wan show watcher and orderer. Keep it up, LTT. With the lab's review suggestions, would you accept sponsored product reviews,

Starting point is 03:03:48 i.e. a company or user donation to get a product tested? Okay, so I got to stop you right there. Hold on. Okay, here it is. There is no such thing as a sponsored product review. A product review is conducted independently. A sponsored video is conducted in collaboration with the manufacturer or the marketer of the product. There is a very, very clear and perpetual line between those things. It cannot be sponsored and a review. It can be a sponsored video, sponsored showcase, sponsored unboxing. Cannot be a sponsored review. So no. However, if a company wanted us to test something for their own

Starting point is 03:04:50 information because they really like our testing lab or whatever else, I think that is something that the lab would like to work towards being able to offer as a service. It will not be a review. I hope that kind of clears that up. Hi, Linus. Wanted to know your thoughts on Wendover's recent video showing Nebula, now worth $150 million, and have more than 650,000 paid subs. Do you think their business model

Starting point is 03:05:18 might be something Floatplane adopts? I don't think so. It's never what Floatplane was created to do um and yeah you know you've got to give a lot of credit to the team there they have uh they've managed to they've managed to really build i think a really clever vertically integrated services company like the the the integration between standard and nebula is something that is pretty neat and has a lot of value for a lot of creators what i will say is you know from my experience dealing with them and from my position as a creator,

Starting point is 03:06:06 it doesn't have a lot of value. And I've talked with other creators for whom it didn't have a lot of value. Not every creator stays on Nebula. You might have noticed that. So I think there's a certain style of creator. I think there's a certain size of creator. I think there's a certain personality of creator that works really well with what they've built over there. And there's certain ones that don't.

Starting point is 03:06:27 And, yeah, you can't knock it. They've done a really good job. They've built a really successful business. I saw that my speculation that, you know, maybe they were trying to sort of add subscriber count to, you know, to look for the exit is apparently not true. So, you know, that's good. I'm really glad to hear that. I don't really understand what the motivation was aside from that. So that's tough because, you know, as far as I can tell,

Starting point is 03:07:03 it didn't really raise a significant amount of money given the amount that they spend on advertising and stuff these days so I okay sure but apparently it's it's not to just you know do subscriber counts for an exit so that's cool yeah I don't really know what else there is to say about it if I think that if our incoming CEO looked at the technology of Floatplane and said, you know, hey, you guys should apply this to, you know, a...

Starting point is 03:07:33 It was a re-pickup fast. Yeah, yeah, Floatplane. Yeah, yeah. Pick up Floatplane as a service. You know, every fitness guru or whatever who's trying to sell video courses or whatever, you know, hosting it on Float on float plane as a service or whatever else it is. We have really cool technology.

Starting point is 03:07:50 We suck at marketing and packaging it. I'm not going to deny that. We've always been kind of tech heads at heart. And I've learned some business stuff begrudgingly over the years. But I have no doubt that here we are also this crazily vertically integrated company compared to what a lot of other influencers are doing. I mean, we have everything. We have our own accounting. Our accounting department is five, six people now. Our HR department is two plus.

Starting point is 03:08:24 It's a little bit fuzzy sort of who's in what department i mean our our sales team oh dan dan the alarm uh our sales team is is like half a dozen people um we have you know dedicated graphic designers who work on thumbnails who work on merch designs we have a team of like over a dozen video editors like we're it's kind of incredible the breadth of things that we do here I think a lot of people don't really realize that they look at the the videos and think oh yeah okay so they have what they have editors they have writers they have hosts but no it's, um, it's, it's a pretty deep organization now. And I look at it and I go, Hey, why is it that all of these departments only serve Linus Media Group? Why does our sales team not do deals for other people? Like we actually, we know all the brands, we know all the creators. Why don't we act as an agency? In a lot of cases, it's because

Starting point is 03:09:24 the opportunity cost of working for another creator is really high compared to just working for ourselves. But in some cases like creator warehouse, I'm looking at it going like, yeah, why, why, why don't we design t-shirts and water bottles and stuff for other creators? There's absolutely no reason that we couldn't do that. Um, I don't know. We're just really busy yeah we we do have literally too much to do already um yeah so adding a bunch more stuff to it is like

Starting point is 03:09:54 we got to pick our battles right yeah yeah it's like i i don't know i don't know there's i i look at what standard and nebula have done, and I kind of go, yeah, if I was a better business mind, we have literally all the pieces. Thumbnails, sales, development, literal video streaming platform. Like, yeah, there's no reason we couldn't build something like that i just uh the tech head that's uh not gonna apologize for it and we've done all right doing that too like i it's been a good path yeah like i can't really look at that other path and go gee i sure wish i'd gone down that path this is a great path i like our path worked out really good because we make other stuff too hey technically the majority of the developers under the floatplane umbrella do not work on floatplane.com yeah they do all kinds of cool stuff like especially for the store we've got

Starting point is 03:10:57 some really cool tools coming um being able to pick exactly what bits you want when you order a bit set rather than just ordering packs that's coming pretty sweet it's gonna take a while uh but it's coming the dev work on that's done there's a lot of other problems to solve yeah yeah the actual like real world physical implementation of like how do we actually like make sure we get all the right things? Hey, LLD, LTT store question. What items took the longest or shortest time from initial thought to item available on the LTT store? We always take a really long time to do stuff. But I'm going to look.

Starting point is 03:11:42 I'm going to look at it. Oh, you know what? My guess was screwdriver. The-rig everything razor knife we basically went hey Zach can we carry your knife and he was like I guess wait was the question shortest I thought it was longest shortest both it was both

Starting point is 03:11:55 oh I mean longest is the screwdriver obviously but yeah wow oh the not to addition's been announced yes you can sign up for notifications now. To Colorways. Oh, yeah. I guess we haven't talked about that on WAN Show.

Starting point is 03:12:11 Yeah, pre-register email. Yeah. I have a Noctua-related question, actually. Sure, hit me while I think about this. This is really fast, but it's just a design on a water bottle. Okay, sorry, I'm listening. With the new Noctua screwdrivers, can we expect an LTT back collab with Noctua? A what collab?

Starting point is 03:12:30 Back collab? Black back collab? Like they're going to do an LTT product. Well, they've done that before. I don't think we're doing another round of that anytime soon, but I mean, you know, we could. The fans, right? Noctua is a super weird company. And I mean that in the, you know, most the fans right doctor is a super weird company and i mean that in the you know most kind we like them yeah yeah they're it's they're definitely weird though it's

Starting point is 03:12:51 like when you have a really good friend that you've known for a long time and you're just like you know what you're pretty weird you know like it is yeah they're just they're i feel like there's i feel like there's something behind that no they're just yeah they're super weird companies so just the way they do things is not like other companies do things and i gotta respect that right like they just uh they just they they do their thing and um so when we've done product collabs we've never done it in a long-term way like they don't do a fatality power supply line and then just like roll with that forever. They do their thing. And I'm like, yeah, cool.

Starting point is 03:13:32 I respect it. LLD, what's a cool application of new technology that clearly wasn't intended use case but it just fit perfectly i read this and i ended up curating this because i couldn't think of one on the spot but i swear i've ran into this before using stuff not what it's for there's got to be a good answer to this but i couldn't think of something i mean there's got to be a lot of things with phones like i don't think anyone imagined using your phone as a level and it doesn't work very well but it's something

Starting point is 03:14:08 yeah clearly wasn't the intended use case I just got a notification from my 8 sleep bed that it's preparing my bed for sleep little does it know poor eight sleep never stood a chance oh speaking of people who might be in bed

Starting point is 03:14:34 uh hey mr nick light uh you are live on the wan show okay oh did i did i catch you at a bad time no okay my sincerest and most fake apologies if i um if i did catch you at a bad time? No. Okay. My sincerest and most fake apologies if I did catch you at a bad time. No, no. It's a good thing, though. It's a good thing. Maxwell C. asks, first time catching the live stream after years of watching the show. Have you ever considered any tie-dye color options for any of your clothing or towels where did you put them oh uh back in the other building where they belong

Starting point is 03:15:13 would you like me to make a field trip should should i show the real one is it worth going over there? I don't know. You tell me, man. It's already on the site, isn't it? Oh, is it? Yeah. Oh. You have to go to buy tickets and then after that you can see it.

Starting point is 03:15:38 I thought this was like a bigger reveal than I guess it is. We have this listed? Not LTT Store, but LTI. Oh. reveal than i guess it is we we have this listed on not not ltg store but lts yeah yeah you can pre-buy wait i think yeah you know we did we did a thing we set it up oh that's right yeah we announced this on wanshow like weeks ago oh goodness okay so basically as long as people have a ten dollar tier floatplane subscription they can buy the ltx exclusive tie-dye hoodie and t-shirt then right not right now but before the show yes yeah got it got. Okay. Yeah, that's an announcement.

Starting point is 03:16:26 Well, I think we've already teased it, but that'll come later. But if you have an LPX ticket, you can pre-purchase your pickup merch and then hopefully sooner than later you'll be able to buy it if you have a $10 QR code.

Starting point is 03:16:41 Okay. Sounds good. Thank you. Okay. But the shipping will it shipped here. Sounds good. Thank you. Okay. But the shipping will be after the show, remember. Okay, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it. All right, all right, all right, all right. Okay, bye. Go home.

Starting point is 03:16:54 I will never go home. I will always do my show forever. Okay. Yeah, so, yes. And they look awesome. I love them. So the LTX exclusive T-shirt and hoodie are in this sick red, blue, purple, black tie tie that is amazing.

Starting point is 03:17:12 And we fixed it today. I approved the shirt material like four months ago or whatever, and it was perfect. And then we got our production samples and they sucked. They were like stiff and awful and we got the new samples that are back to the original material today and production's going ahead so everything's going to be okay nice um people are saying and linus is losing it he also announced the noctua screwdriver yes but what i didn't announce is that there's a sign up sheet so the sign up sheet is new on the site hey line has been loving the screwdriver

Starting point is 03:17:47 ever thought about doing signed merch or anything related to exclusive items yeah we've done lambo edition stuff like pink and green limited edition 69 units only stuff like that and we've signed stuff like that um i don't know for me i i i don't want to do too much of it i think is is the big one a it's hard on my wrist and b um i don't know it's uh it just seems like if you do it too much it cheapens it i guess like i'd prefer to sign things where people find me in person at LTX I I don't actually like signing things that much outside of you know where I'm supposed to be signing things in case you were getting any clever ideas I will because you've put me in a position where if I say no I'm risking seeming like a complete a**hole on Reddit when

Starting point is 03:18:46 you post about it later about what a stuck-up jerk I was and I wouldn't sign anything, so I always will. But, you know, if I'm eating dinner with my family, I think the most respectful thing to do if you must approach someone in public is have your camera open have your finger on the camera button say hey do you mind if i grab a quick selfie go like this and immediately leave don't fumble with the camera don't hand it off don't don't look for someone else to hand it off to don't get one in landscape then another one in portrait just just take a picture document the memory and then be like hey thanks and leave that's that is the perfect aplus way to do it, in my humble opinion. Like, I'm not trying to be a jerk about it.

Starting point is 03:19:53 Just sometimes I'm legitimately having private time. I'm not working. Or I am legitimately working really intensely. So when I'm somewhere like Computex, and you can literally, with your own two functioning eyes, see that i'm in the middle of a conversation interrupting is rude because interrupting is always rude it doesn't matter if i'm a public figure and you really want to take a picture it's rude if you can see that i am walking somewhere um intently like with purpose i'm walking fast My camera operator is encumbered with a whole bunch of equipment. Don't stop us for like 45 seconds while you figure out how to operate the camera app on your phone.

Starting point is 03:20:34 It's the longer you interrupt for the more rude it is. It's kind of what I'm trying to say. Hi, LLD. Will we get an option to send in merch messages when we make merch purchases on the LTX website? Additionally, do you have an updated timeline on when a schedule will be made available? I doubt that's something we're going to invest development time in. I'm very sorry.

Starting point is 03:21:05 And the schedule will be available as soon as we are able. We actually had some creators reach out with a super cool idea for a panel that I don't know if it'll actually happen. But man, if it happens, I'm stoked. Hey, LLD, just like Apple in their presentations, never using AR, VR, or AI, switching them with spatial computing and ML. Does LMG writing have any such banned words you just can't use in videos? Um, so we've tried to ban some things, but we got lazy about it.

Starting point is 03:21:41 Basically, we wanted to ban AI because it's not AI. It's machine learning. We wanted to ban pricing that ends in 99, but it's just really inconvenient because it's not technically accurate to say that the price of Apple's new headset is $3,500. It's actually $3,499. That's how much it actually is, whether we like that or not. We also do all our pricing with 99s because it works.

Starting point is 03:22:04 Um, or not we also do all our pricing with 99s because it works um i just don't care because it's a factual fact that that's the price and i yeah whatever um yeah we've we've tried at times but i can't think of any that we've actually been successful at because it's just a lot of we have enough things to remember when we're trying to make a good video. It's tough. What are your thoughts on the gigabyte not RMAing GPUs with cracked PCBs as a result of GPU sag pressure? Oh, this is something I meant to look into after I saw Rossman's video about it. If that's the case, that sucks. But I have not looked into it. I don't know how widespread the issue is. I'm afraid I just don't really have much to contribute to this one.

Starting point is 03:22:46 And I don't want to risk saying something that's wrong. Traveling solo from California to LTX. Is there an official looking for group forum or post for other people attending alone? I want to make friends, but I'm shy. I can post on the forum. LinusTechTips.com. That's where you want to be yep

Starting point is 03:23:06 earlier you mentioned that you had set prerequisites for your son if he wanted to create a youtube channel could you please mention the goals you set and the reasons for making those goals yeah um the goal that i set was that he had to learn basic video editing and edit the videos himself i'm not going to just hand him an editing team to take whatever crap it is that he produces and, you know, do all the work for him. And he spent a little bit of time on it. Um, but just, he didn't have the interest in actually doing the work. And if you don't have the interest in actually doing the work, then I don't think handing you a prepackaged solution is going to teach you anything meaningful about how to succeed in life. And so I basically said, okay, well, this is on you.

Starting point is 03:23:48 What did he want to make? He actually made a couple of videos, one fully and one kind of partway that are just like little science explainers, which I think would be pretty cool. Yeah. Because anything that also encourages you to learn while you are explaining is um really

Starting point is 03:24:06 beneficial which is basically my job i should show him some ai editing tools as a fairly you're a menace as a fairly new father year and a half old to a baby girl what is your favorite least favorite father's day gift you've gotten thus far? Anything. I just like Father's Day to be completely ignored for me, leave me alone, and give me some peace for a change. That's what I want for Father's Day. And I never get that, and I never actually expect that,

Starting point is 03:24:43 and it's delightful when my kids make me crap that I then have to stealthily throw away while they're not looking. You know, I love that my kids want to do it. But it really is the thought that counts. I do not want more material things. Don't mind me just buying Father's Day gifts. Question, any updates on LTT coasters? They're dead. We couldn't figure out a packaging solution for them for the weight that was environmentally

Starting point is 03:25:17 friendly and also kept them protected. You basically need foam. And I didn't want to ship like glass around the world glass and foam it just felt really stupid so we killed it question for linus what racket string and tension do you use and what stringing machine do you have at home uh oh i have one from gamma it's a something or other i splurged hard that was actually before i had the kind of money that i should buy something that stupid um hold on let's see if i can find it anyway i use bg80s and i uh string it 25 27. um yeah i the one that i have oh is it a it's a i don't know it's an older one but it's kind of

Starting point is 03:26:11 it's kind of like this kind of like that it's an electronic tensioning one and basically feature similar to uh to this one and that's that's about what i paid for it less a little bit less uh maybe like 5k canadian or something like that for back in the days i was like no i'll like string for other people and i'll you know i'll string my racket so often that it'll like pay for itself yeah yeah that was stupid that's very dumb we're all allowed to make mistakes once in a while right last one i've got here for the curated line. As you've mentioned, you support Children's Hospital, which is awesome. I do the same.

Starting point is 03:26:46 But I'd suggest also Surrey Memorial, who are trying to get more children's facilities but have far less money. Sure. I mean, hospitals. I'm always down to support hospitals. And we actually had pretty good experiences at Surrey Memorial for the most part, mostly. We went there for all three of our children's birthings, I think. Yeah, yeah, Surrey Memorial. Seemed all right. Linus, if you would start a company, would you do it alone or with someone 50 50 ownership or just lead to

Starting point is 03:27:22 conflict? Would you start LMG with Luke, for example? Wife as a business partner is the best. Ah, it's tough, right? Okay. The reason that starting a business 50-50, 51-49, or whatever it is, with your spouse could make sense is you've already done the world's longest most arduous job interview essentially the vetting process is like done if you kind of think about it that way

Starting point is 03:27:53 however if relationship contentment and divorce statistics are anything to go by most people suck at hiring. That is such a perfect way to put that. So, yeah. If I was going to start a company and I was really great at vetting my partner, I would be down to do it 50-50. If I was starting a company and I had any doubt whatsoever in my forever relationship with this partner, you are essentially marrying someone that you

Starting point is 03:28:40 start a business with 50-50. If it is successful, most of your personal wealth will be in this business. If you ever divorce, they will take half. You got to think about it that way. You are marrying this person. So with that in mind, yeah, as long as you're comfortable marrying them then great and if you're not then you should probably do it on your own Luke is a complicated one would I start a business with Luke I think that I would be down so I'm talking non-hypothetically here. So it's post-LMG. I think if Luke started a business and wanted me as a partner, I would be interested.

Starting point is 03:29:34 But the other way around, I don't know that I would do the serial entrepreneur thing, and I just don't know that I would do a round two. I think that I might be done starting my own business, but whether it was like, if it was my son or if it was my work son or less, less son, more bro. Um,

Starting point is 03:29:56 but if, if it was accurate, if it was someone that like, I, I wouldn't mind being work married to essentially, I'd be willing to do it but i would rather i'd rather be in more of an investor advisory even boots on the ground like i'm down to work there day to day potentially but my value is is sort of is sort of different you know and i i i'd want it

Starting point is 03:30:22 to be i want my value to be clearly understood by myself. That's something that I never really like. I don't like involving myself in things where I don't really understand what I'm bringing to the table or I don't feel like I'm bringing something to the table. I'd want it to really make sense for the business. I'd want to feel like I'm contributing. And yeah, I think I'd be interested interested i'd have to believe in the idea i've had this idea a surprising amount of times um

Starting point is 03:30:52 but it's always been like i think the thing that i would be chasing after is the like gritty upstartiness that we had early on it's like can we even capture that again probably not to be completely honest so i don't know and yeah it would have to be something that like we would actually care about and want to do and i don't know what that would be that we wouldn't do just like within the framework of what we already have. So, yeah, I don't know. Linus Media Group or Yvonne Queen Umbrella Corporation. That's my new name for it.

Starting point is 03:31:34 I like it. Yeah. Fun fact. We actually have a company that has like Yvonne Queen in the name of it now. Her lawyer, our lawyer, our lawyer and I collaborated. The lawyer contributed the Queen part. I like it.

Starting point is 03:31:53 Our lawyer's hilarious. AJ and I are going to have to change so much branding. She's amazing. Anywho, Yvonne didn't want me to talk about that because she finds it very embarrassing, but I told her I was going to do it so I'm a man of my word Yvonne you can never say that I'm anything but um okay what were we what were we talking about the end of the show no no we were talking about something before that there was uh up companies Oh, yeah, the scrappy right right yeah, I mean within the frame LG is a great vehicle for us to kind of do anything we have Like we have resources we have like people and money and stuff actually have pretty much all the things you would need to do

Starting point is 03:32:37 Practically anything yeah, we just are getting business you have to get focused engineering create and not have a CEO with ADHD anymore That's the key. By the way, I know I still owe you guys a Q&A session on floatplane. I haven't forgotten, and I will do it at some point. I promise. And I promise to see you again. Might be a fun one to just do with Taren. Next week.

Starting point is 03:32:58 No, that'll be different. I want to interview him as a mainline video on the channel. Okay. See you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye. Hockey. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:33:08 Let's go. Man, that Jesus Twitch thing is hilarious. It's one of those things where it's like, how did I not think of that? Oh, right, because I'm not a complete idiot. You know? Like, just, but in the best way. You know?

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