The WAN Show - Old Video Cards are ALL You Can Get - WAN Show February 12, 2021

Episode Date: February 16, 2021

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And we are live. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the one and only WAN show where Luke has finally cleaned up his image and I am looking homeless. I have gotten as much worse as Luke has gotten better since last week's show. There had to be balance in the universe. I have an explanation for that which also has a lot to do with why the show is spectacularly late today I was busy house painting okay I have decided that YouTube YouTube is not the life for me anymore and I want to go back to painting houses gotta go back to university painters yeah what actually happened is that word got out that i did some painting for dennis on the weekend so this was during dennis's uh intel extreme tech upgrade

okay because i talked about that so he fed me pad thai and actually both of us yvonne and i went and painted a couple walls in his house uh like accent colors. And he was very pleased with that arrangement, which makes sense because Dennis is a spectacularly cheap individual. But the thing is that, you know, Dennis has actually done a lot for me over the years as well. Like, you know, taking me into his home in Taiwan and showing me around the city, like totally off hours and stuff like that. So from my point of view, it was just like, this is like doing a favor for a friend. This is not like, uh, I actually will paint your house for noodles sort of thing. Um, anyway,

anyway, word got out that I will paint people's houses for noodles. And one of our employees, people's houses for noodles. And one of our employees, Andy, got it in his head that during his Intel Extreme Tech upgrade, instead of having me build a computer, since he knows how to build a computer, he will build the computer and Linus should just paint his room. So we shot Andy's Extreme Tech upgrade. And he tells me uh yesterday he's like hey make sure you bring your painting supplies to intel extreme tech upgrade so i spent the day painting andy's house which is why i'm uh this is why i'm dressed like this got my got my paint shorts on here and mounting a tv to his wall and uh andy was the one who actually built the gaming rig guys don't miss this one though because if you think yeah i'm stoked if you think all of them so far they've been great and if you think andy got a great deal

let me tell you something i definitely got him back because at the end of the video i straight up break his bed like i'm not talking like i damage it a little bit i'm talking like like like two of the beams that make up the bed are now shattered completely destroyed did you i don't even know i don't want to know no no you know what i will tell you because this video has enough it's it's great enough that and the moment it won't spoil the moment the moment is an instant classic so his setup is probably the weirdest one out of everything we've done so far. He's got like this basement and he wanted to make a man cave. But the thing about Andy is he's like all about that FPS and that like color accuracy and not so much about like his setup making any sense to anyone other than him. So he's got this,

we painted the walls, this like 50% gray, because it's all about like he wants it to be as color accurate as possible. And then we put this like color accurate 6500 Kelvin bias lighting strip behind the TV to bounce off the gray wall. And then he's got this like special BenQ desk lamp that's like exactly 6500 Kelvin blah blah blah blah blah anyway the point is he's got this wall mounted TV right and then he's got a bed in front of it and then like right in front of the TV and then behind the bed he's got a desk and a chair and like the idea he's like yeah so like I'll be like playing video games here and then my wife could like watch a movie on the couch on the TV. I'm like, what? What are you talking about? Anyway, the point is, whatever it makes, it makes him happy. And that makes me happy.

So anyway, the point is he blew all his money on like a 65 inch OLED and like an RTX 3080. Like he went all out, reused a bunch of his old components because he blew all of his budget on this TV and graphics card. And then like there isn't even it's just like a bare concrete floor in the room so it's like still completely like unfinished basement except for we painted these two walls and there's like this weird bed in the room whatever it's it's something and uh so anyway i was like okay so that's what you imagine ariel's gonna be like chilling in the bed or something watching tv and you're gaming so anyway he's like gaming but he's actually using the tv i'm like okay i'm i'm gonna like i'm gonna i'm gonna watch you play racing games because he's like really good at racing games like go-karting we did a go-karting event back in the

before four times before you could before covid and you could actually do like work functions anyway we we did a thing and he like him and alex clark just like destroyed everyone it was it was a it was a that makes sense nightmare it was a nightmare for the rest of us jake is yeah i would expect to destroy where we like to be good at things and then other people show up and are way better than us and it's a bad time you know it was one of those kinds of things anyway the point is i'm like okay i'm gonna watch you play video games so i like jump into the bed and land on the floor like i go right through the bed oh that's some that's some classic ikea quality right there um an interesting part of this story for me is you're you're not the person to do that like you don't exactly weigh a ton no i i right like that doesn't really

line up for me like the fact that you jumped on something that has four legs and it collapsed is like it it broke hard like we there's footage there's footage i'm so glad david was rolling because there was terrible there was There was one moment in the video Unfortunately we weren't rolling on I was like trying to adjust his Nanoleaf like RGB Wall things and there was like Six of them in a thing and I was kind of

Trying to like I was trying to rotate them all And they were all stuck on with double sided tape right I knew it was a bit of a gamble but I was Like trying to rotate them like two degrees You know like just a little bit And then they all detached at the tape, right? I knew it was a bit of a gamble, but I was like trying to rotate them like two degrees, you know, like just a little bit. And then they all detached at the same time, like started falling down. I'm like, ah, no, David wasn't rolling for that one, but he was rolling for the bed collapse. And I'm so glad every once in a while, guys, stuff happens while we're doing these kinds of projects and the camera's like not rolling. And I'm just like, no, that was like,

and the camera's like not rolling and i'm just like no that was like that was primo it was primo content ah primo okay uh we've got a great show for you guys today what are what are our main topics um intel confounding benchmarks in m1 versus core i said can i what sorry okay is this is this the thing that you were talking about before the show to do with another influencer or something okay let's i'm actually super excited about this topic but not even like anything to do with the title that i just said okay later on we'll get to that lordy what else we got luke cd project red source code sold maybe we'll get into the maybe later uh for millions in a dark web auction wow oh my maybe well yeah we'll get into that okay uh what else we got here oh yeah there's the headline topic um wait where where the devil is that topic what page is that on uh uh uh Oh, the return of Pascal. That's right. Supply is so short for new generation graphics cards that NVIDIA is supposedly starting up production again of Pascal graphics cards. So

that is like what? We're on Turing and then there Volta, and then there was, what am I missing here? Hold on a second. What was, no, hold on, hold on. Ampere, we're on Ampere. Then there was, going back, there was Turing, then there was Volta in there somewhere, and then Pascal. That's like three generations ago. So we'll talk a bit more about that. And finally, Twitter is exploring a potential subscription model to ease its dependence on ad revenue. That's fascinating. You know what? David and I were talking about that just today while we were working on Andy's extreme tech upgrade. So I can share some of the thoughts that he and I both had during that conversation. Let's roll that intro.

That's not what the intro music sounds like. Oh, man. I guess people probably heard that. I just gotickrolled man i just got rickrolled oh that's brutal did you did you not oh i guess you couldn't hear that because you're probably not listening to the stream okay the show is brought to you today by sea sonic private internet access and backblaze float plane chat is probably gonna be it's blowing up oh no i clicked it what did you click on no i don't want to say it i i'll just say it apparently someone bought lttporn.com and i clicked it i was like okay you got to be kidding kidding me. What is this? I clicked it. I clicked it.

Oh my goodness. Of course. Oh man. Of course. I just, I knew it was going to be, I thought it was going to be an LTT store redirect. Cause that's usually what it is when the community buys something. Oh my God. There's like pages and pages of float plane chat.

It's like, Oh, I can't believe I just clicked that. I got Rick rolled in 2021. All right. Why don't we jump right into our headline topic here? It's actually not the meatiest one, but it was what I thought was the most interesting headline. So let's do it.

This is according to Tech Yes City. NVIDIA is supposedly starting up production again of GP107 GPUs. So this is the GPU found in the GTX 1050 Ti. And it makes sense because NVIDIA for a long time now has launched their new architectures top to bottom. So they've led with the highest margin, highest selling price SKUs. And the thing is that when we're talking about, you know, a GPU that's produced on a new manufacturing process, like on a new node, in this case, these are, what are they? Samsung's 12 nanometer if I recall correctly. No, no, 8 nanometer or whatever. Samsung, however many nanometer... You'll have to pardon me. I just, I can only keep so many things in my brain at a time.

10 nanometer. Thank you, Google. So Samsung's 10 nanometer, wait, ampere is, wait, did I just search for Turing? Ampere. I think it's eight. I thought it was eight. It is eight. Oh, perfect.

Okay, ampere. So here's the thing. It is eight. Oh, perfect. Okay. Amp here. So here's the thing. When you're making like a GA, what is it? GA 100 or GA 101, 102. I think it's GA 102, which would be what you find in an RTX 3080 or a 3090. GA 102 GPU. I'm just going to double check these things. GA 102, blah, blah, blah. GA 102 blah blah blah and blah blah blah GA 102 it doesn't say what graphics cards it's found in 3080 3090 yeah, okay cool so a GA 102 basically you've got this wafer Okay, so it's a circle circle shaped silicon wafer, and then you've got this GPU That's you know let's say this big or whatever and you got to go

You can only create so many of them out of each wafer. Okay. So the limitation, what keeps you from making a larger and larger chip is a getting the timing right for the signals within the chip. Once it starts getting physically large, can be very challenging. And then number two on that Silicon wafer, you're going to have some, some percentage of, or you're going to have some percentage of, or you're going to have some incidence of like defects. So you could have like a defect here and a defect here and there and there. And, you know, sometimes that's going to be like,

oh, we've got a defect right in the middle of these CUDA cores. Well, that's fine. Let's just turn this into a SKU that has fewer CUDA cores. So for example, an RTX 3090 has more than an RTX 3080. So you could like turn some of them off if they're defective. Now it's a 3080 instead of being a 3090 or whatever the case may be. So you've got these defects, right? And the way that it works is in order to make a cheaper GPU, you have smaller dies, so you have like fewer CUDA cores, but you can make more of them. Okay. So here's the problem. NVIDIA could roll out. I'm sure that they have 50 class GPUs designed with their Ampere architecture. But the problem is

that if they can't get enough of these wafers and if the yields are good enough on their high price products that they can utilize the wafer extremely efficiently with a high price product, there is no reason for them to release these. Now, what we know based on that they did discontinue production of their previous generation GPUs is that their intention was to have enough supply with new silicon. Clearly, they don't. Not only can they not supply enough Ampere, they can't apparently supply enough Turing. So they're going all the way back to Pascal.

Now, Volta only like sort of existed. It was like, I don't even know how many skew. I don't think there was only like one consumer skew. It was like a Titan V or something like that. Other than that, I think Volta basically only existed in the data center um but they're going all the way back to turing to serve the lower end kind of like esports grade machines i would call it like a mainstream like mainstream gaming rig titan v and a quadro card and there was a quadro card all right thank you thank you for saving saving me from myself The funny thing though is that apparently gamers think it's a great idea to bring back Let me see if I can click for more information

Apparently gamers think it's a great idea to bring back the 1050 ti because it happens to be one of the most popular machine one of the most popular graphic cards of all time so 7% hold on a second. Yeah. 7% of all gamers on Steam are running a 1050 Ti and apparently think that's just fine because they're clearly not upgrading. Not that there's anything they could upgrade to. You know, what's really interesting about that number and about the 1050 Ti in general is we are doing an average Steam gaming machine video that's coming out this weekend. So we built the most average Steam gaming machine video that's coming out this weekend. So we built the most average possible gaming machine.

We ended up with a 1060 because it slightly edged out the 1050 Ti. And we looked at, okay, how good is the gaming experience of the average Steam gamer? You know what the answer is? Pretty darn good. So I think this is a great move from nvidia bringing back something

for people to buy because just producing more stuff sounds good just just anything so 1050 ti was if i was that a 12 nanometer how many how many nanometers was the 1050 ti 14 14 nanometer dang this thing this thing launched in october 2016 that was four and a half years ago i mean it was a great card it's still a solid card it doesn't have any ray tracing or anything that was another funny one especially in light of that stupid letter that NVIDIA sent and then retracted to Hardware Unboxed about how gamers have embraced RTX.

When we were working on our Steam hardware survey machine, it was pretty interesting how embraced RTX is. So the top RTX card card the 2060 has 3.72 percent of uh of gaming machines to call it to call its home and the rtx 2060 i mean i'm with hardware unboxed on this the problem with rtx is that the most popular rtx cards are not capable of running games with RTX enabled. The 2060 is from an RT from a real time ray tracing perspective, just shouldn't exist. It should just be a GTX card with more CUDA cores and just not bother with the RTXness. That would have been a more compelling product that would have prompted more people to upgrade. And then next up, we've got the 2070 Super,

which I would argue is actually RTX capable at 1080. But that's got just 2.3% of gamers are running. And I suspect not a lot of people are trying to run like cranked 1080 with RTX. No, I would say most people that are buying a 70 and up class card are probably running 1440 or better. I do wish that Valve would give

a little bit more granular insight into, you know, what kinds of, like if you clicked on a GPU, I'd love to know more about what kind of system that person's running. Yeah, that'd be cool. But I don't know. I don't think,

I think Valve has enough buckets of money that they don't need to get into the business of becoming like an industry, you know, industry analysis provider, like information. Especially when they're doing it for free. Yeah. I wonder if they even, they might even just have that. I don't want to say this necessarily.

I have no idea. And there's probably a very provable way to say this is false but i wouldn't be too surprised if they had more information like that oh i'm sure they just wasn't and it just wasn't public oh absolutely there's no way they probably have have deeper stats but they just publish some of it to to make it interesting yeah i guess people want to contribute to the information pool it's like the smartest thing ever because it throws them into the news cycle every month every month and then people are like oh i should register my rig oh yeah valve yeah they exist steam i should get steam because all gamers have steam like or something all right luke i'm sorry i've done a lot of talking on the show today but i I knew you were going to basically take over when we got into this next topic. Intel was caught fudging benchmarks in their M1

versus Core i7 11th Gen comparison. This was posted by Jetski on the forum, and the original source here is macrumors.com. Luke, what is going on here? We have to get through some of the talking points on here that aren't super enthralling. You've heard the title, right? Intel caught fudging benchmarks in M1 versus Core i7 11th Gen comparison. Cool. That's honestly pretty much all you should have needed to know if there wasn't the interesting ending. So I'm going to go through the talking points anyways, and then we'll get to the interesting part.

So just stick with me. Intel is trying to promote its Evo branding of the laptop standards against Apple's M1 successes. The campaign started with cherry-picked benchmarks that Intel published early this week, much to the consternation of Apple fans. Very nice writing. The benchmarks showcase the limitations

of the early part of Apple fans. Very nice writing. The benchmarks showcase the limitations of the early part of Apple's transition comparing gaming, accessory compatibility, and performance in very specific tasks. There's some quotes here about the differences between the two devices as well as, let's see, Intel's performance claims need to be taken with a certain grain of salt. This is a quote. As their Intel created tests and not industry standard benchmarks, the fact they switched out between the Pro and the Air for battery life, that's kind of scammy,

as well as the Core i7-1185G7 and the Core i7-1165G7 also shows an incomplete picture. And I mean, that's just, yeah, swapping those laptops out is just ridiculous. Yeah, that's pretty suspect. This has happened before. We've had Intel kind of being not so clever with messing around with benchmarks in the past. This is not new.

Today, the company unveiled Twitter promotional posts, which ended in Go PC. There's a few examples of that but go pc here's the kind of world today luke you know here's the fun part okay the twitter adds link to a sponsored video by john rettinger explaining the evo talking points oh i want Linus to watch it. You want me to watch this? Cause Linus hasn't seen it. I haven't seen this. I haven't even heard of the comments and the like to dislike.

Okay. No, just hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I just, okay.

Can I preface this by saying I like and respect John Rettinger a lot. He's great. He's, he has been a pioneer in the tech or not has been he is a pioneer in the tech youtube space uh he is absolutely he's absolutely still around he's still going strong he's one of the people that like i grew up following right right? Like I, I followed in his footsteps. Um, you know, he created the model in a lot of ways for like making a YouTube channel, a business. Um, maybe not created, but it was very early when we started working together was John Rettinger. So he's not,

he's not talking out of his butt here. You just, you just got to watch it. Okay. here yeah you just you just gotta watch okay so like no disrespect john i i'm gonna i i okay i'm gonna watch this now i'm like uh i'm kind of afraid to watch it live because you you have not been making me feel good about what i'm about to see okay i yeah i'm trying to hold back i'm not i don't want to say anything about it you just got to see it okay hold on let's just you know what i think it's very unlikely john is going to copyright strike us so let's just watch it together okay okay your new laptop for 2021 all I mean, it's unfortunately kind of long. So I'm pretty vocal about using M1 Macs pretty much since launch. And for a lot of uses, it been do I have to watch the whole thing

awesome no computer okay there's still a lot of stuff that either doesn't do right now or just doesn't do at all so Intel reach out to see if we wanted to talk about their new evo platform give us no guidelines on things we could say or not say just to check you getting Are you getting the vibes yet? And there's been kind of a narrative since Apple announced their own silicon that Intel's out of the race. You look uncomfortable, Linus. What are your thoughts? What are your feelings right now?

And I think that couldn't be further from the truth. With the Evo platform, you're getting just a ton of stuff that you just can't get from the Mac. So when you go to buy a laptop, really any laptop, not necessarily even an intel one sometimes hard to figure out like which computer's got what and are you getting the best of whatever you're looking for so what the evo branding is essentially took the most important specs and told any manufacturer who wanted to make an intel based laptop that if you want to have the Evo branding, it's got to meet these minimum requirements. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. So I think I follow so far. We've got like the kind of Apple sound alike music, you know, it kind of gives me like, uh, like a back in the, the like, man, like a late nineties, like iMac or however that thing, you know, like that kind of like Apple music kind of vibe, like kind of like a think different kind of thing like mild mildly sassy almost yeah yeah um not like not actually but like a little bit like yeah we're we're kind

of like better and we know it and we just you know i just um okay here's here's the problem here's my here's my problem intel's evo branding initiative is actually not a terrible thing so it's a lot better in my opinion than what nvidia has been doing like centrino um way back in the day and that honestly is where now now we haven't covered evo extensively we haven't done any we really haven't like worked with intel on it much most of the stuff we've been doing with them lately has been on desktop um so we haven't really i haven't actually seen the evo talking points other than i think we oh man i think we talked about it briefly in like a review of Intel's like reference Evo platform laptop that they're selling through XPG and then a couple of other resellers.

So Evo, like what is it? Basically, yeah, it's like Ultrabook or it's like Centrino. It's another kind of like platform branding thing that they're doing. And there are things in there that I think are meaningful and important. For example, your machine has to be able to wake from sleep in a certain amount of time. It's one of the things that drives me crazy about my XPS 13 2-in-1 or is it 12? Whatever. But the 2-in-1 that I have is that it often takes a very long time to wake from sleep. You have to meet a certain standard with respect to battery life. You have to use key Intel components like Centrino. Centrino was a game changer back in the day because a lot of you might not remember this,

but in the early days of Wi-Fi, there were a lot of cheap wireless chipsets that low-end laptop manufacturers would throw in their machines that were a very bad experience. I'm talking back in like the Wi-Fi B days. And so Intel created Centrino to force manufacturers to do three things, use an Intel CPU chipset and, in my opinion, most importantly, wireless chipset. And what this meant was compared to if you were using like,

remember, this is back whend didn't have anything competitive so like a turion processor with some craptastic wi-fi chipset so you'd have like terrible battery life terrible wi-fi if you bought centrino you knew you were going to get at least some measure of decent mobile experience and i think that's what they're trying to do with evo the problem here is that john um bless him bless his heart love him um pioneer again should not be the spokesman for like intel and pc in my humble opinion yeah and honestly that's that's what felt like the main problem to me as well the way that it came across like i know john is an avid mac user the way that it came across um did not feel very sincere and i think a big part of the problem too was that a massive focus of the video was like these are the ways that it is better than the m1 specifically like it was it was digging so hard at the m1 more than it was talking about how cool Evo is in its own. It did both for sure,

but it mostly felt like a M1 sucks video than it felt like a Evo is great video. And there's another problem here. M1 does not suck. And as good as Evo laptops battery life might be, and I saw some criticisms of the video that I really just didn't think were fair. Someone's like all he says is great battery life but he doesn't provide any numbers you can't provide exact numbers for an entire lineup of laptops every manufacturer is

going to put a different watt hour battery into the machine like just the by by its diverse nature, a PC or like the PC ecosystem cannot be as simply represented as the Mac ecosystem. But for a lot of people, that's a good thing because it means more variety of price points and more variety of performance depending on what you need. And yes, more variety of battery life. Maybe you don't want to spend another hundred dollars on a 99.9 watt hour battery. That's going to give you with an evil platform, really great battery life. Um, maybe you're happy with a 56 watt hour battery and like kind of, you know, good for a 56 watt hour battery, but not amazing battery life. Um, so that, I don't think that's really fair, but I also think that it's max of... I don't know. I don't even want to find the right word right now.

It doesn't... It's not... To say that M1 is anything but very competitive is not um it's not a great marketing message the best marketing in my opinion is to focus on your own strengths and just not discuss the problems with your competitor that's how you market your product you don't market your product on someone else. Right? Exactly. I don't want product marketing to become, no offense, American politics. Talk about your platform.

Don't just crap on why the other person is wrong. Present your ideas. And then if you happen to agree about good ideas that's okay let's stop treating it like every idea that the other side has is bad just because they had it if right right like if team red versus team blue and whether you know i could be talking about pcs i could be talking about anything right now okay sure if team red's Team Red's like, you know what? A really wide interconnect is a great idea. If Team Blue automatically said, we

should have more bottlenecks, just because Team Red thought that a wide interconnect is a great idea, that would be stupid. And we should all be able to recognize that that's really stupid and agree on basic things okay so i uh and and like even just the opening with the like not being able to plug into

type c it's like i agree i agree that's a problem i had that problem today okay i wanted to plug in a usb thumb drive while we were doing Andy's Intel Extreme Tech upgrade. Also sponsored by Intel. To be clear, I love Intel. Work with them all the time. OK, and I wanted to plug a thumb drive into my XPS. Right. And I was like, because I was I was in the middle of something and like I was in a hurry trying to get to a WAN show. And I was like, I have to go get this f***ing dongle. I'm so f***ing mad. Like, to be clear, I get it. I understand that frustration.

But I was using a f***ing PC, wasn't I? It's not like the PC doesn't have this problem, okay? This is a 20s problem, okay? That computers have gotten too thin to put a type A. Actually, they're not even too thin to put a type A. Actually, they're not even too thin to put a type A. Manufacturers just are not putting type A's on them because they've gotten ahead of themselves a little bit. To be clear, I love Thunderbolt, love Thunderbolt, love type C,

but that doesn't mean we're ready to say completely goodbye to type A. But to pretend that this is a uniquely Mac problem is just... I also, I could be missing something, but I don't think there's anything in the Evo standard about including type A ports. No, not to my knowledge. So there's probably Evo laptops that are going to have the exact same problem.

And as much as I like to hammer on, I've done it a lot. As much as I'd like to hammer on Apple for connectivity things, I think they have issues with this, like across a few different products um not the right place or time in my opinion so video didn't really hit the mark and it and it and it missed the mark enough that it it hurts the campaign a bit and just doesn't. Yeah. You know what it smacks of? A little problematic.

You know what I smell right now? I smell an advertising agency. If I had to guess, I would put money on it that instead of this being John and Intel representatives who really know their products and know the state of the market, this smells like the kind of thing that came through an agency that doesn't really understand what's going on. And I've, I'm on the record saying this before. Um, and there are exceptions. And if you're an agency that works with Linus Media Group, Hey, you're an exception. Um, most agencies, most agency marketing representatives have just absolutely no idea what they're talking about they have absolutely no business being involved in tech

marketing and they should frankly just step out of the way stop taking their worthless middleman cut and leave it to the experts like i was i was I was on the phone with, uh, I was on the phone with AMD about something really exciting that we've got coming up. Um, we're working with AMD, Asus and MSI on a really cool initiative. Luke knows about this because he's had to make some, uh, his, the float plane team has been working on some cool development stuff for me, uh, for this this it's really exciting anyway i was on the phone with amd and they basically were like okay hey like uh okay last thing from our upper management we just need to know um if you can if you can like message it in

this way instead of and i'm like what do you think i'm some kind of an amateur. Like, I don't know. I don't know how to how to message something correctly. And I like I even I cut them off. I was like, don't even finish that sentence. Here's how it's going to be messaged. They're like, well, that's exactly that's exactly how it should be. I'm like, I know this is not my first take at the can. The problem is you get like, you know, I'm just going to, these are random names. Okay. These are random names. They're nothing to do with specific people that we've worked with, but you get agency Sarah. Okay. Or agency Jeff who know absolutely nothing about computers. They know nothing about AMD or Intel or Nvidia orIA or Apple or anything.

And all they know is whatever stupid marketing deck that agency, you know, Cherise put together for them and handed to them. And they start getting involved. And they're like, actually, Linus, we don't really want you to say it that way. And I'm like, that's nice. That's great that you don't want me to say it that way. But that's the honest truth. And, you know, from from, okay, ethics aside, from a legal standpoint, I can't say anything that's not true, or that I don't believe. So you're just going to

have to step aside. And I'm going to message it however I want. And if you don't like it, then we're canning the campaign. And honestly, that that's how the conversation goes with these agencies more often than you guys would probably believe and the stupidest thing about it we actually are responsible for a major brand canning their agency about a week ago because no because because they were just it was such a cluster them trying to get involved in the messaging and in the content creation. As soon as they were gone, we get on the phone with the brand representatives directly. We're like, okay, here's the reason we have to do it this way because of the competitive landscape. And because we don't want to market anything. We want to, we want to put your product in its

best light, but we don't want to misrepresent it. That's good marketing. We want to communicate the positives of your brand and of your product without putting down anyone else and without misrepresenting it in any way. And they're like, yeah, that's exactly what we wanted to do. No, I'm not done here. They were like, yeah, that's exactly what we wanted to do. And the entire problem, the entire campaign was saved. problem was solved it's agencies i bet you know what i bet he's in my phone book i'm gonna call him right now because i want to know i am i am i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure i have uh just while while you're dialing that are currently feeling very negative who's feeling negative for the the

various sarahs out there oh oh there there there have been times um where we've worked with agencies and it's been good i i would definitely say it's not as common as it being bad but it has yes it's usually individuals it's not the agency in general you'll run into an individual and they like actually really care um yeah it's it's not that common but the thing is so here it's part of it is just the nature of the industry right guys because you got to understand if i'm an intel or amd nvidia microsoft whoever I am, like I'm a tier one player in the tech space. Okay, I've got this agency to handle my marketing stuff because there's a variety of reasons that you might do that.

One is that it adds a degree of separation from the messaging. So if something does go wrong, it's someone to blame. It keeps them off your payroll. So if you need to scale up or scale down your marketing staff, it's a lot simpler to hire or fire an agency than to hire or fire a team of people to work within your company. There's reasons that you use agencies. But from the very nature of that relationship, agencies tend to get the talented people sucked out of them because they don't pay particularly well compared to actually making something, whether it's content or whether it's a product, right?

So they're inherently a middleman. And if you're talented, what's going to happen is because you have this direct exposure to fish that can pay way better and better opportunities, you're going to get sucked out one way or the other. So you just end up with a lot of the really good people in agencies getting pulled into work permanently for the brands that they represent or for the media companies that they work with.

Like when we encounter a really good agency representative, we had a really good one with LG for a long time. If it wasn't for the complications around, you know, bringing someone into Canada, for example, to work, that's the kind of person where for as like a brand representative on our side, we would strongly consider just hiring them rather than putting out a job listing on our website because we already know that they get it. Because it's not as simple as just coming up with talking points and making sure the influencer says them. You have to actually follow through.

You have to think this thing through and make sure that it makes sense and that it's not going to create backlash, right? Honestly, my favorite people to work with were just people who, they were just facilitators, you know? Yes. They were just very expertly get out of the way. They would make sure that what the company needed to get done was like at the very least getting done. And then they'd let you just style and do your thing. That was fantastic. And there was a few of them

and they were amazing to work with. But yeah, they weren't that common. Usually it was people that were like, no, I need to like leave my mark and leave my influence on this project. So I'm going to like try to force this thing to happen or force this thing to be sad or whatever else. And it was just a pain.

It's horrible. I don't have John Rettinger's phone number, unfortunately. But I'm just going to ask him. I'm just going to ask him my one simple question. I said, you around, just one question. That Intel video, through an agency or dealing with Intel directly? just one question, that Intel video through an agency or dealing with Intel directly says, uh, doing family stuff right now. That's fair enough. Uh, hold on, hold on. He's typing

another message though. Cause I, I, my first message, uh, Oh, okay. He says, I think it was Intel directly. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm surprised. I'm just going to say usually they're more savvy than that. Okay. Well, all right. Well, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it all depends, right? A company that big, you're going to have people that like really get it. Like I've met people that every like, I think brilliant idea that I pitched them for like cool stuff Intel could do for enthusiasts. They've like, they already pitched it five or 10 years ago or whatever, like just really dialed in. Like I'm pretty sure water cooling fluid runs in their veins. So you find you find people like that and then you find people that are just like, I don't know what's gaming. Um, you know, I'm sorry. I'm, I'm just like, I'm just like a numbers person. Right. Um, you know, you have any group of however many like

thousands and thousands of people work at Intel. You're going to have some that like really get it and some that don't oh okay i don't know if i can talk about this uh can i talk about that i'm kind of live do you want me to spin off into the cd project red sure actually oh my goodness we need to do our sponsors speaking of like or do you want to try to do a sponsor segment while you wait for some responses? Working with agencies. Yeah, why don't we run through our sponsors? Okay. So guys, Backblaze is one of the sponsors

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tvs phones uh i mean he's been in the industry so long that there's kind of no limit to what he can do all right so let's move on uh yeah do you want to talk through the cd project red thing yeah so this is kind of interesting uh cd project red i don't think has exactly been in the community's graces as much as it used to be in the past for for used to be in the past um as much that used to be for quite a while now um ever since the launch of of cyberpunk really uh earlier this week cd project announced even leading up to cyberpunk luke hold on a second let's get the let's get the timeline straight here because there was some weirdo, there was some really edgy,

not actually that cool marketing that they did before the launch of Cyberpunk 2. They've been working their way into making people, the gaming community, mad for a while now. When they were kind of the diamond child for a while there too. Anyways, earlier this week, CD Projekt Red announced that it had been hit with a ransomware attack

that allegedly exposed the source code for games, including Cyberpunk 2077, Gwent, and The Witcher 3. So, you know, kind of not all of it, but, you know. VX Underground reported Wednesday that source code had been posted on a dark web forum known as Exploit. Pretty on the nose right there. The starting bid was reportedly $1 million with a $500,000 bidding increment. Wow.

That's reasonable. And a $7 million buy it now price. Forum users needed to put up 0.1 BTC, roughly currently $4,70000 but you know it's always fluctuating just to participate in the bidding yeah so so really big ticket they were looking for massive high rollers you know um the auction was originally intended to run for 48 hours by thursday morning it had been closed successfully quote unquote um there was an offer that was received from outside of the forum that was said to have satisfied the

said hackers um there there is some doubt about what has happened this type of thing has happened before if they don't receive a bid um they just close it and say like, ah, someone else bought it. So it doesn't look like a failure. Who knows? Maybe it was successful. Maybe they got $7 million. Maybe they got more. Maybe they got less. Or maybe they didn't get anything. There is, yeah, like there's a quote from MSI soft threat, an analyst, Brett Callow, who said we have seen this behavior in the past with reval or re-evil, a ransomware group that threatened to release damaging information about Donald Trump. Security experts analyzing the ransom note shared by CDPR have identified a hacking group known as Hello Kitty as the likely culprit. That same group was reportedly behind a ransomware attack on Brazilian power company CEMIG, among others, late last year. What a fantastic name for their group.

But yeah, kind of spicy. It's interesting. i believe it didn't mention it in the notes that i had just gone over but i believe it also included at least some of the source code for the red engine wow um which which is to me maybe more interesting than the games yeah yeah because like i mean i you know i'm sure there's some way for cd project red to figure it out soon enough if someone's got their hands on cyberpunk 2077 source code in a game that obviously would have to run on the red engine yeah you know like if you're a developer that's like oh yeah suddenly we're licensing Red Engine and like we've got a lot of like... It feels really similar.

Don't look too closely. So, yeah, there is a note here. Sorry, I guess I didn't see that right away. But the sellers also reportedly provided file listings for Gwent and the Red Engine that underliesdpr's games as proof that the data was authentic wow this is a so not quite what i thought but this is a crazy leak i i just have no idea you know i mean someone could have bought it like i don't think any like western game developer would would buy this out of fear that cd project red would go after them once they inevitably figured out who had it but if you were like say a chinese game developer or something like that

i could conceivably see you just kind of hiding behind the shield of the chinese government uh basically just not allowing cd project red to to uh to litigate this. Or even like a small new studio that for some reason has a crazy amount of money behind it because you could just learn a lot. Even if you didn't use it in your game, you could learn a lot from something like that. Like maybe what not to do. No, but seriously,

you could genuinely learn a lot from a code base like that. So it's interesting. It's really interesting. All right. Twitter. Twitter subscription model. Yeah, Twitter is exploring a potential subscription model to ease its dependence on ad revenue. It's so funny that we're talking about this because David and I were talking earlier today while we were filming Andy's Extreme Tech Upgrade.

because David and I were talking earlier today while we were filming Andy's Extreme Tech Upgrade, and we were talking about how Facebook probably wouldn't introduce something like YouTube Premium. And reason being that Facebook does put so much effort into making sponsored content, ads, and real content look and feel so similar that it's all kind of part of one experience. And in our mind, anything, any effort that they're putting into anything other than that

would seem to fly in the face of all the work that they've done so far. One of the things Facebook has done very well, at least from our experience with them, is monetize the shit out of content. Like our ad rates on Facebook for video are way higher, like way higher than YouTube. Like it is unbelievable how much higher they are. And so I'm looking at it going like clearly there is something Facebook is doing very well here with the way that they're able to sell ads, not just sell ads at such a high rate, but also serve ads at such a volume that for whatever reason, users accept it when they wouldn't on another platform. And content creators can make a ton of money being on that platform. and content creators can make a ton of money being on that platform. And so to me, if Facebook were to go and kind of split the audience in that way,

it would almost be detrimental to the platform because that's one of the things they do so well is they create this network where you, through Facebook ads, you find products and join groups and continue to kind of put out like Facebook tendrils and like build this sphere of influence and this influence on you. Like it just it just doesn't seem like something they would be interested in. And that made us turn to talking about other platforms. So David was like, yeah, I couldn't live without my YouTube premium now because i just find ads so much more intrusive on that platform part of it is that he doesn't use facebook and neither do i so maybe

that's why we don't care but he was like yeah i could see i could see that being great for twitter and i was like oh why twitter like i don't even see ads on twitter he's like yeah there's tons of ads on twitter i'm like what are you talking about he's like well it's in your like home feed i'm like oh yeah i don't look at the home feed i only look at my mentions because i'm a narcissist um so there's like no ads in there uh but apparently and because twitter's like kind of just stupid like the home feeds just it's so not interesting anyways sorry well maybe that's just because you don't follow interesting people like you know i know a lot of people i just like i made a lot of money on dogecoin following elon musk and like quickly buying doge whenever he mentions it so like apparently that's a thing there is a few people that i like to check in with um that i'm friends with that i don't have like a ton of communication

with outside of twitter but i usually just go directly to their pages um but like i've talked about this on on uh on wancho before but like the the home page is just awkward because you see what everybody likes and a lot of times it's just like oh they're they're like friend talking about their day like it's not it's not like this has nothing to do with me at all but it's in my feed for whatever reason or it'll just be like somebody who was like horny at two in the morning and just liked some picture of somebody in some fairly revealing way. And I'm like, yeah, I didn't need to know that. If I wanted to sit and, you know, with you, then I would I would tell you that, you know, this doesn't need to be a group activity.

You really don't need to like that on Twitter. We're not judging. We're not kink shaming. If it's if you want it to be a group activity, really don't need to like that on twitter we're not judging we're not kink shaming if it's if you want it to be a group activity that's totally fine with us yeah we just don't need to involuntarily participate in it you know what i'm saying yeah yeah yeah exactly um all right cool so anyway apparently a subscription model to ease their dependence on ad revenue is something they've been considering for years, but one that's become a greater priority given the current global pandemic and pressure from investors to accelerate growth. That's interesting, because if anything, the global pandemic has had an incredible impact positively on the kinds of ad revenue that we've seen online. ad revenue that we've seen online. Like right now, for this time of year, we are doing like unbelievable. So compared to last year, viewership is, I would say, fairly... Hold on a second. I don't want to just pull... I don't want to be talking out of my butt here. So let me get

some like real numbers for you. So viewership is similar compared to this time last year. And at least on YouTube, our ad revenue is up like, hold on a second. Again, I don't want to be talking out of my butt here, up anywhere from like 10%, depending 15% depending on the day to like 40%, like way up. So I would think if Twitter's not extracting more value from their advertising partners, they're probably doing it wrong. You want to talk us through this one, Luke?

Sorry, again, I feel like I've talked a lot today. My bad. The main thing for me is what you're potentially maybe getting from it the paid subscriptions so the ability to use tweet deck twitter for business uh creator focus dashboard etc advanced features like unsending messages or this is honestly i think where they're just going to get like every company and professional person like ever is editing tweets um i saw some tweets talking about this i'd pay for that yeah and so many people would and if especially if it's like five bucks a month the like standard this is a subscription on the internet fee yeah um they're

just gonna get they're gonna get every company they're gonna get every professional public every influencer i'd pay i'd pay more than five everything they're gonna get everybody who thinks They're going to get every company. They're going to get every professional public. Every influencer. I'd pay. I'd pay more than five. They're going to get everybody who thinks they want to be an influencer. They're going to be everyone who they're going to get aspirationals. They're going to get everything. Yeah.

And it's going to be because of that editing tweets thing. Like, yeah. Okay. Sure. Consumer features like custom colors, hash tags, whatever stickers,

the ability to remove ads, higher quality video, better and higher quality video better and more depth better and more in-depth analytics so i think they'll get people on the better and more in-depth analytics because everybody loves that higher quality video your brands your influencers whatever are going to want that we pay for that editing tweets the rest of it i don't know whatever sure cool but those three things are like primo that's they will this whole thing works entirely on the back of those things i don't think people are even going to complain i think people are going to welcome this with open arms i mean did you even mention these other

ideas the ability to tip other users i mean reddit has turned that into a gold mine get it yeah and honestly get it get it okay yeah that is good uh i think with the kind of brigading that goes on on twitter as well i could see that being pretty huge it could be like positive brigading at a certain point and subscribing or paying users for exclusive content that could be this is a massive that could be massive like why bother going over to only fans if you could just run the entire thing through your twitter account so many only fans influencers already use twitter as their primary means of exposure not really but they have live streams they have video and they have photo and they have text

all under the roof and if you can make exclusive that's huge yeah or they could just go on flow plane hey i mean at this point at this point we'd take them i think um well i know it was something we talked about in the early days we were like oh yeah you know i don't know i don't know would we like you know would we want content or whatever i it depends on the type of that content that they do. I'm just talking to the audience. Linus knows all this. We would potentially have payment processor issues.

That was the main reason we didn't actually lean into that because neither Luke nor I really feels like we're the judge of what you want to upload. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, whatever. Might not watch it or be interested, but I don't care. We might not have been able to take payment, so that might have been an issue. Yeah.

So you'll notice standard payment processors that you're used to seeing will exist on sites that even if there is lewd content, it's artistic. Yeah. That includes art. that includes cosplay that includes a bunch of different things but it has to be artistic if it's not artistic you'll find that it doesn't have your like standard payment processors yeah just random little tidbit i don't know art what is art i think you can kind of make the argument that just about anything is art. Yeah, it's, yeah. Whatever. Pretty wide definition. All right. And I think our last topic for the day

is Intel CPUs you can afford and actually buy. This was put in by one of our new writers that sources video cards. Intel is reducing prices on 10th Gen Core CPUs. I guess Rocket Lake must be coming pretty soon. And it looks like it's anywhere from 10% to 22% across existing models. So the 10600KF went from $309 to $242.

And it's not just in Poland. Apparently, okay, apparently this started showing up in Poland. Amazon.com is listing a $229 flat price for the 10600KF. So that's six cores. I believe that's only six threads. Nope, that's a 12-thread processor. So that's pretty darn slick for gaming, if you're into that sort of thing.

Regional stock varies from chip to chip, but in light of AMD's struggles to produce enough Zen 3 CPUs, this is looking like a pretty good play for Intel. And we actually saw, you're going to see this in the average Steam PC video that's coming out this weekend. We noticed that Intel actually clawed back some market share in the last month. And that seems to be basically down to the fact that you simply cannot buy an AMD CPU right now. Not because necessarily people are choosing Intel by choice. It's just that, hey, if you want to upgrade, you're pretty much either waiting or you're going Intel at the moment. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting having this happen and the NVIDIA 1050 TI thing happening at a pretty similar time.

There's been a lot of memes going around about the complete inability for people to more or less buy parts. I saw something, I don't remember where it was posted, talking about how like $1,000 in 2019. Yeah, like I can buy a decent gaming computer at $ a thousand dollars in in 2021 i can buy an xbox i might i might be able to buy a graphics card maybe if you can find one so yeah this this is cool it's i mean one of these chips and a 1050 ti you're not going to be flying over the moon but at least people can get a setup that's like decently solved that can play modern games so um messes own asks would float plane consider doing a deal with curiosity stream i don't understand what that deal would mean what's wrong with curiosity stream are they not

doing okay i yeah i think everything's fine i think they're definitely more than fine yeah i don't see any news i think i'm pretty sure they're i'm pretty sure they're doing great on their own i had one chat i wanted to reply to from earlier um this is a really good pro tip this is from ben snow replying to samuel i think this was on floatplane uh same rig here and nope def not today i don't know what that's about if you want more performance like if you're up trying to upgrade today, subscribe to GeForce Now's premium tier and just wait it out. What a pro tip. That's like, that's the, that's the, that's the big brain move right now. If you can't buy a gaming machine, just don't buy a gaming machine. Use a cloud gaming machine. Yeah. Okay. It's not as, it's not as great. It's latency, whatever. So Linus is going to be the profit of the end times.

Sorry, what is this? Linus is going to be the one that brings people to stop buying hardware. No, no, no. You just said it. You just said if you can't get a PC right now, just subscribe. If you can't.

If you can't. I'm going to take a little hat. Maybe all these GPU supply issues issues is just nvidia trying to get us to subscribe to their service instead of buy hardware well how do you explain amd's shortage so there's you know it's just amd oh wow oh wow that shade though that shade you got so much shade like i can't even like look at this look at all this shade i'm shaded um all right yeah i don't know that's not a bad idea weather the storm a bit yeah it's totally a good idea yeah uh all right true neighborhood watch says uh you already gave a shout out once

so no need for another oh oops okay uh thanks for being an inspiration youtube's algorithm makes it hard for small timers it makes it both harder and easier than ever uh kasan asks how's ltt store doing pre-pandemic versus now ltt store has been banging so to speak uh trotting wolf says got the cpu pillow last week first thing my girlfriend did when she saw it was rub her feet on the carpet and stick her finger out to zap it. I love her. All right. All right. I hear that. Uh, okay. Just a couple more. Uh, Nathan really hit me how bad the shortage was when I listed a 1660 super on eBay this week with bids starting at 180 pounds and had offers for 280 to 300 for buy it now within minutes yeah pretty much there's no gpus out there so oh george says i heard there was a video for

the winter one on the way any update yeah so what happened was we had some staffing changes blah blah blah we're working on it. It'll get done eventually. Thanks, guys. Oh, apparently 5800X and 5600X have been in stock the last few days, US Amazon and the AMD website. Hold on a second. Can I just double check that? Because 5800X, that's a darn fine enthusiast tier CPU right about these days.

By the way, Luke, I have good news for you. I finally got a CPU for your rig upgrade. Luke's been bugging me to give him a free computer for a long time, because I used to give him free computers all the time, and now he doesn't have any free computers because he's busy making Flowplane. So the last personal rig update we did for Luke was like three or four years ago, I think.

It's been a while, yeah. We actually had a viewer offer me a 5950x for your rig update 16 cores 16 cores 32 threads baby but with a catch okay okay with a catch so you know how i had said what we could do for you given you're not really minus media group staff what we could do for you is like a hand-me-down machine okay so this is going to be the greatest hand-me-down machine of all time because i've got that asrock x570 water-cooled board that i pulled out of my rig so i'll hand that down to you okay casual thousand dollar motherboard and then we got a 5950x from a viewer and there's only one

catch it's missing a pin So you're gonna have to repair it. You're gonna have to put a new pin on it. Okay, so You have a great processor that doesn't work but we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna do a classic one for you guys Okay, Linus and Luke build a computer together It's gonna be a good video. We're going to fix up that CPU. We're going to get that thing running. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. Nice. So that's it for the WAN show for today. Thank you very much, you guys, for

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