The WAN Show - Our Worst Week in Years - WAN Show March 24, 2023

Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the WAN Show. You know, we've had a concept for a while. WAN Show after hours, where things get unhinged, things get crazy. We're just gonna start there. We're gonna start there today, because we have had a week, each of us has had a day. Our poor, wonderful guests today have had some time, definitely had a day um we will get to that in a moment but before we do i'm so sorry you guys were waiting for two hours for the show to start we've got a lot of great topics to discuss with you guys today first and foremost being that we do actually have some additional updates on the hackening um also amazon has shoddered dp reviews and that's it those are our special guests oh my god i didn't check how to pronounce

Starting point is 00:00:57 your name so i'm gonna say chris nichols and jordan drake and i going to hope that that's right. Nice. Got him. What else we got, Luke? Nothing. We're going to talk about nothing after that. No, the Swiss Department of Defense cites the WAN show in an argument, which is so sick. That's actually amazing. And Linus and I are going to fight. Sorry, what? Actually, no, sorry. That topic was was already announced by linus but we'll discuss that later uh head of intel arc leaves to form an ai startup because of course he did i have to confess in the chaos of this weekend today

Starting point is 00:01:40 i have not even glanced at the dark. Let's do this thing. Okay. Okay. You know what what are we doing first i would lead with the updates on the hackening and just right the discussion decision but our poor poor guests have waited so long to talk about a site that they no longer even get to work for. I am, I want to have lots of energy as I introduce Chris and Jordan, but I'm actually really sad. Can I just do, can I do like a quick read of our, of our WAN show writers sort of bullet points here? No, no, you can, they can, they can leave them up, leave them up.

Starting point is 00:02:42 But then I want to kind of, I want to kind of get into it with you guys. Like, what? What is going on with you? What is going on with, you know, everyone else? But first, okay, this week it was revealed that one of the casualties of Amazon's layoffs was the highly respected, and sure, we're editorializing a little bit here. We're saying, you know, highly respected. It's colorful language, but that's how I feel, okay?

Starting point is 00:03:07 Highly respected digital photography review, DP review, which I thought was a very different site the first time I heard of it. They're the world's most popular source for camera reviews, and they will be shutting down after 25 years in operation. Users who have uploaded photos to the site will have until April 6th to download them and after April 10th, the site will cease to update. Amazon gave no reason publicly for the DP Reviews closure. We reached out to DP Reviews editor-in-chief, Joran Schneider, and there doesn't appear to be any official plan to

Starting point is 00:03:45 archive the site for preservation, which is deeply saddening. There's an unofficial effort by archive team to scrape the entire site and make it available via the internet archive. I have a quote here from Joran Schneider.

Starting point is 00:04:02 Joran, excuse me. Joran Schneider. I'm extremely sleep deprived i apologize for everything i'm about to do through it yeah um anyway this is a quote losing dp review marks a particularly dark day for photography enthusiasts man okay i'm gonna jump in here i'm sorry jordan you're doing a great job of talking about how sad this is but it's even sadder. This is a dark day for journalism. Like, this sucks. Okay, sorry, I'm going back to his thing.

Starting point is 00:04:30 DP Review was among the first organizations to go to a fully online format, and they created some of the most comprehensive technical reviews and deep dives that have ever been made on the subject of digital photography. It's one thing to lose the team and no longer have that level of quality on new cameras and equipment. It's another entirely, arguably worse

Starting point is 00:04:47 situation to hear that the historical information on the site will just disappear. DPReview isn't just a publication. It's so old and comprehensive it's basically a digital library. Libraries should never close. Yeah. This sucks. It is unclear at this time what will happen

Starting point is 00:05:03 to the site's associated YouTube channel, though its longtime hosts, Chris and Jordan, you can see here, have been picked up by Petapixel, an independent media organization that specializes in photography. So with all of that said, I want you guys to just kind of walk me through, first of all, why the f*** does Amazon own DP Review at all? I didn't know that.

Starting point is 00:05:28 That was very surprising. Yeah, so first off, before we get started, I know everybody's tired. Darren Schneider is actually the editor for Petapixel, just to clarify. Oh, for crying out loud. He's not a DP Review employee. Yeah, just so you know. But yeah, the fact is it affects everybody and it is a really big loss for the photographic community amazon bought them i don't know like why did

Starting point is 00:05:52 they buy i mean in 2007 it was a long time ago digital photography that was still when everyone was buying a digital camera at that point uh and yeah i think it was just a very different mindset you know now i at this point in time i don't think they would think, oh, we would like an editorially independent review channel. Wait, Amazon bought DP Review way back in 2007? Yeah. What? Absolutely. And there's a lot of thought like, oh, they were going to start to try to advertise Amazon products, push push you know cameras through the amazon market but honestly that didn't really happen and actually for the

Starting point is 00:06:30 better because it really let deep your view be this credible source of unbiased editorial information yeah because to their credit i had no idea i never so did they just buy this thing completely forget they even owned it at all and then and then i feel like almost in the recent like tech layoffs i feel like you guys almost got caught up in that which is kind of weird yeah i mean we don't know exactly they're not giving us a reason but it makes perfect sense wait they're not it makes sense hold on so they're not only not providing the public with any reason for this they're not providing any of the team any reason for why this is happening well to be fair so jordan and i are

Starting point is 00:07:12 kind of unique right like we were always in calgary canada we're we're contractors so we we don't actually like have an employee status with amazon so as contractors you know yeah it's kind of nice because we get to have that separation from it but also it means that when it comes to all the nitty-gritty and the details honestly we don't really know wow and there's no severance that's another fact yeah no severance yes exactly no they didn't give you anything uh i don't know a A lot of good. Office supplies. Nice. You know, I mean, the best part.

Starting point is 00:07:59 I heard in the chaos of all the layoffs at Twitter in particular, but even some other companies like Google, where people are getting emails that their jobs are redundant. They're sitting here going, well, I've got all this equipment. If you want it back, I guess you're the one who's coming to get it by the way I've been working from home for the last year and a half so I guess you're coming to Boondocks Mountain Road Oregon or whatever to come get it so have you

Starting point is 00:08:18 guys just been left with a bunch of equipment and stuff how does that even work? did you have notice? so we did have a bit of a heads up, certainly more than some people, but less than others within the company. So we did know this is coming, which is, you know, why we were able to find another place to bring our show relatively quickly. We, you know, it was funny. There's always this running joke of like, when is Amazon going

Starting point is 00:08:46 to remember that they own us and then do something about, you know, whatever it is, right? Like we expected at any moment there'd be restructuring or like, oh, this has changed or whatever, but you know, it was, it was great. And, and I think Jordan and I both agree. We have to say we've been there five years, which is a significant part of our career. Absolutely. But there are people who have worked at that company for far, far longer. And so, you know, some all not at the beginning, but really at the early stages of DP Review. And so we really feel for those people. They've poured their entire heart and soul into this website.

Starting point is 00:09:18 So, yeah, you know, we were in Seattle. We got to talk to the team. It was really nice. And, you know, kind of say hi to everybody, say goodbye to everybody. It was really quite emotional. And so, you know, we're lucky. We're in Seattle. We got to talk to the team. It was really nice. And, you know, kind of say hi to everybody, say goodbye to everybody. It was really quite emotional. And so, you know, we're lucky. We're lucky. We're moving to Petapixel.

Starting point is 00:09:30 We landed on our feet. We've got connections that way. So we're good. We're happy. But we definitely hope that the other staff, the writers and the staff that have been there forever, can find good positions to move forward in their careers. I feel like one of our biggest concerns is just, go ahead. No, no, you go ahead. Is there such an amazing repository of information like John said in his quote there, you know,

Starting point is 00:09:55 that needs to be preserved. And, you know, I'm certainly there's, it's going to wind up in the internet database, but all of the useful tools, you know, like camera comparison tools, things like that, those are all going to be broken and none of it's going to be searchable. So yeah, I hope someone is able to find some way to make that, you know, recover it and keep it public. I got to say like the feedback that we've been getting has been so good. Like, you know, people have been really supportive, really wonderful, but at the same time, there's lots of feedback where people are justifiably upset. And I totally feel for them because this is a website that so many YouTubers,

Starting point is 00:10:30 so many, you know, amateur photographers, videographers, everybody to some extent or another has used this resource or uses it daily. And so I really understand that that's like, yeah, it's like something that's part of you that's going to have been torn out. It's, it's really, yeah. And you know what that's part of you that's going to be torn out. It's really quite a mistake. Yeah, and you know what is honestly the most frustrating thing for me? Because the first I heard of this wasn't in a news article or anything like that. It was members of our community reaching out to me, kind of going, you know, oh, my God, have you seen this? And is there anything you can do?

Starting point is 00:11:03 Like, can you buy it or something and I'm sitting here going Okay, well a there's some problems with that. I suspect the model is a little bit unsustainable at this point I can From a business standpoint understand why Amazon might want to cut it loose but then even on the flip side of that, this is such an insignificant asset to a company like Amazon, operating at a scale like Amazon, that what I suspect is that even if

Starting point is 00:11:35 I could get Uncle Jeffy on the phone and say, hey, can you put in a word for me to the CEO of the vice president of the general manager of the, you know, director of the janitor that is in charge of DP review, right? Like, if you could put in a word for me, could I buy this thing? I feel like they basically just go, honestly, it's not even, it's the pocket change that we'd get from selling it is not even worth it. So while these preservation efforts, like you said, are so important and I'm so grateful for them,

Starting point is 00:12:13 there is actually no way to stop the loss that you're talking about, where it's not searchable anymore, where the tools don't work anymore. And as someone who, you know, I have to confess, never contributed, probably in a meaningful way to DP Review. I mean, I didn't donate or, you know, like, I don't think, I don't, I probably never even used an affiliate link. I feel bad about it now, because the handful of times I did interact with the site, it was so, like, it was a lifesaver, because there was nothing else like it. So I want us all to take a moment, if you guys are able,

Starting point is 00:12:53 and Luke, I don't know, did you use DP Review at all? No. Okay, so how about the three of us? I have historically just talked to Brandon. That makes sense. Yeah. So can we all share our first time using DP review do you guys remember sure okay do you guys want go first because I got

Starting point is 00:13:11 mine teed up but yeah I mean I was really interested in video but then was unemployed and got a job at a photo camera store and was I was grossly ill equipped for that I didn't know anything about it. So every night I just got home and poured over dpreview.com. And that is how I basically developed my entire knowledge of everything digital photography. And I mean, now I've been running a photography YouTube show for more than a dozen years. I mean, you could say it's life changing my life. Absolutely. If I hadn't, if DP review didn't exist, I would walk into my job the next day.

Starting point is 00:13:53 They'd realize I didn't know a damn thing and I'd be back out on the street. So yeah, that, and it is a resource that I use. Yeah. Dozens of times every single day. I just want to point out before I start my story, we had our adorable little lights to mimic you guys, but much like Deep Review, they've gone out. Too soon. Too soon.

Starting point is 00:14:12 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Why do you do that? I'm a little tart on that metaphor. But, you know, yeah, I started working at the camera store as well. Jordan was working for a different outfit. I was working for the camera store in Calgary where we built our first youtube channel and um unlike jordan i didn't research on deep review before helping customers i would help customers realize i didn't know anything about the

Starting point is 00:14:35 camera i was trying to sell them and then i would go that night and i would go on deep review and i would but that was the resource i mean there's so many small little digital point and shoot cameras i was right at the cusp of where the camera store had a tiny glass showcase with digital cameras and we had to learn them. And they were like $900, which back then was like 10 million, right? Yeah. So it was really important to learn brand new technology. Every photographer is like, I'm not touching that garbage.

Starting point is 00:15:01 That's a toy. That's not right. You know, medium format all the way until I die. Oh, that's such a good point. I'm not touching that garbage. That's a toy. That's not right. You know, medium format all the way until I die. Oh, that's such a good point. Like the fact that DP Review has been, they were the ones who effectively like made DP, made digital photography understandable to people who wouldn't have accepted it. Like trailblazing, right?

Starting point is 00:15:21 Like I'm thinking about this going, this site has been around for 25 years i was 11 i was 11 when dp review was founded right um so so my story sorry well am i interrupting or was no go for it yeah so so my story is that before i got into, one of the things that made me so jelly, aside from his CD burner, was one of my friends in high school's dad had a digital camera. And the only reason that I cared about a digital camera at all at that point in my life

Starting point is 00:15:58 was that I did not have any way. There was no digital means of taking a real world object and representing it on my computer in my household and so when i was on msn messenger okay or the palace which was this like weird predecessor to habbo hotel yeah i had no way of having a representation of myself on my computer because i didn't own a digital camera. And so my first digital camera was this weird, I can't even remember what it was called. I want to say like Flip or it was like a weird predecessor to the Flip. It was like a little like action camera that managed.

Starting point is 00:16:38 Was it like a rectangle? It was a little vertical thing. Yeah. But it was pre-Flip. I think Flip was like a better one that came later or something. I don't even remember the brand, but my aunt got it for me for Christmas, and she was super impressed with herself. And I took one picture with it, and I was like,

Starting point is 00:16:52 you really need to return this because I might as well have nothing. I was a lot nicer about it. I was a lot nicer about it. Oh, man. But what that crappy device that you know really the quality was like what v-tech might have put out like 10 years ago like really it was awful uh but what that crappy device did was it it sparked a curiosity and what i what i ended up doing was when i was only i was in grade 10 i think so i was only 15 um was it made me want to learn about it and i ultimately ended up with a canon powershot a20 and the reason i settled on

Starting point is 00:17:37 it was because double a's yeah well hey those double a's. Do you work for a digital photography review channel? How did you know that off the top of your head? So I got a pack of, I mean, you didn't have like good double A's back then. It was all nickel cadmium, right? So no nickel metal hydride yet. No anteloops. But you could get rechargeables. So I got myself a pack of four rechargeables and a two battery charger.

Starting point is 00:18:06 You couldn't get a 12 bay charger for $30 on Amazon yet at that point. But man, remember that weird brand that the battery was kind of tan colored and it was really muscular? Do you guys remember that? I know that logo. I don't recall. Yeah, I don't remember what it was called, but I had one of those. Muscular double A's. And I ended, yeah, they were awful.

Starting point is 00:18:30 And I ended up with this Canon PowerShot A20 because DP Review determined that it was pretty okay. And it was kind of the entry level. So it was 2.1 megapixels. It was the entry level of what could be acceptable at all, but without completely breaking the bank. And that was all I could afford at the time. And that camera, like, man, I still look at pictures I took on that camera,

Starting point is 00:18:58 and I never open a photo album. So it changed my life in that way, too. And I wouldn't have been able to i wouldn't have known what to buy as just an ignorant 15 year old if it hadn't been for dp review they were so far ahead even back then of the competition in terms of thoroughness in terms of professionalism and like you had a lot of people back then like they would they would rank digital cameras like i don't want to throw consumer reports onto the bus or anything, but let's do it. You know, and they would just do like four out of five stars or three out of five stars, right?

Starting point is 00:19:31 What does that mean? And they would say like, oh, fits good in hand. You know, images go on to computer, right? Yeah, or CNET or whatever, right? Not that I want to throw anybody under the bus. Makes color pictures. And then DP Review review they would actually like test these things out and they would they would show you sample photos and they would talk

Starting point is 00:19:49 about the pros and cons i mean how many of us except luke because you know luke's never been on the website but all the rest of us like you go to the reviews and you could even just go to the conclusion at the at the end and you could get a full breakdown and i bet you there's a lot of youtubers you know our peers that would all admit i mean you know and us included deep review was also how we would fact check our work and make sure that we weren't just talking out of our asses it was it was really wonderful that's actually such a good point these these unsung heroes doing the real work that allowed, you know, ignorant schmucks like us to become the, like the, the, the face of the space, right? Like I owe my entire career to sites like, uh, a non-tech, uh, you know, forums like extreme systems, dog. I didn't found, I didn't found these places.

Starting point is 00:20:41 I didn't know anything. I was just hungry for knowledge, right? And now we're seeing all of these places either disappear or become a shell of what they once were. Now, one of the other discussion topics that I wanted to get into with you guys is, and this might be a fun one, what the heck was Amazon's plan for DP reviews? Because did they even have the affiliate program yet in 2007? Like, internally, did you guys have any idea

Starting point is 00:21:14 what was in it for them? 2007, they were still growing their, like, the different brands and categories that they covered. And, like, when did they stop just selling books? Yeah, like, when did they stop just selling books yeah like when did amazon even start i feel like i feel like it's actually like very very old like actually the beginning of amazon is quite quite old but i think once they started trying to get out of books was 1994 yeah yeah when did they yeah oh yeah so yeah you know, we can, we can only guess, right? I mean, again,

Starting point is 00:21:47 we think it was probably at a time where they're trying to acquire the, the biggest resources in many different, you know, fields and just try to get their fingers in as many pots as possible. And I mean, because so many people went to DP review, like I think in some ways it made sense is like people who are educated, like you were saying, Linus, you know, if you can feel confident to the decision because you have information, you buy more stuff. Um, you know, so I do think there was an era there where they were like, Oh, we want to get out as much consumer information as possible. I can't speak

Starting point is 00:22:18 to why they bought it. I was a child. I'm so glad you brought that up because clearly, and it's a funny thing because until very recently, you know, it's been Jeff Bezos at the helm of Amazon since its inception. Clearly, he has undergone some kind of fundamental change because I could absolutely see that being a motivation at the time. And looking at some of the earlier Amazon features that were developed around helping people, helping guide people to the best solution, right? Clearly that is not a priority anymore. And like you look at what a, just what a cluster it is, what an awful experience it is trying to find the right product on Amazon. I mean, we did a video recently on the prevalence of scam products on Amazon now that it's a marketplace full of shady sellers.

Starting point is 00:23:08 And while they say they spend a lot of money fighting these kinds of tactics, clearly it's not working. And the solution is to stop doing what you're doing, but they just keep doing it, right? Now, this is interesting. I assume Jeff was just like, get me one of everything. keep doing it right now this is interesting i assume um you guys didn't assume i assume jeff was just like get me one of everything go yeah one of the best of everything i just looked up like a history of amazon and it's long and stuff and i close it because it's too long but in that period they were doing a lot of expansionary stuff and very... Amazon Fresh,

Starting point is 00:23:45 Amazon Music, they acquired Audible the year prior in 2006. This is an interesting one. This is another thing I... maybe I'm just totally ignorant, I just don't think about these things. I had no idea they owned IMDB. They bought IMDB in 1998. So again, but back to what you were saying, I could see that being about making sure that people have access to information about quality content, right? Maybe.

Starting point is 00:24:15 Yeah, absolutely. If you're a store that sells all the things, getting people excited about buying new things is beneficial. Yeah, I guess so. Absolutely. And then you want to have the best of those particular things. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:28 Or what has the most traffic. Yeah. Okay. So here's my last, here's my last sort of question that I wanted to talk through with you guys. Who is going to take on this role? I just, I don't know who's equipped at this point. Like there are certainly people who could have the potential.

Starting point is 00:24:50 Like we're going to continue testing cameras at Petapixel. But to have that history, I mean, they might very well do testing that's great right now, but I mean, a lot of photographers are using eight year old gear. How are you going to be able to compare that thing that you're looking to buy now to what you currently own you're not going to be able to do that yeah and that's why this is such an important historical yeah uh thing and no one else has this information nearly as comprehensive you talked to sorry keep going have you talked to people at petapixel about how you might address that?

Starting point is 00:25:25 Like, are you guys planning on picking up some older gear to try to give some amount of reference point? Yeah, it's tough to say. I mean, the great thing about Petapixel is, first off, we've known the people who run it for almost a decade, right? We've been good friends. It made a lot of sense. It was a great relationship. And they are very professional about their work as well. So we're happy about that we like working with a company that you know is a team for us

Starting point is 00:25:48 and they have the same skills and they have that same kind of work ethic to test cameras and stuff so we're confident that we have that going forward but yeah as far as the the older cameras the older archives i don't know yeah i mean we rely with on this it's not no so good no more and certainly we could grab an older camera if it's a comparison that makes sense but I mean we're never gonna come up with every use case out no and you're not going to that's what's great you're not gonna methodically go back and retest every camera like that's that's another really that's uh it's so sad this you know the library should never close quote is that's that's that's so it hits me right in the feels right because

Starting point is 00:26:32 this knowledge shouldn't be lost yeah but it's it's gone it's the biggest the thing that makes me saddest about all of this though is that it's emblematic of a widespread problem that we have in media today and that's that no frills journalism isn't profitable it's not even it's apparently not even worth just letting it continue to run it's apparently such a such a an unprofitable, awful business that everyone in it wants to get a payday from some sucker who thinks they can turn the ship around or just dump it all together. That's even worse. That it apparently isn't even worth selling. And it just makes me incredibly sad. Our chat is blowing up saying, what about LTT Labs?

Starting point is 00:27:24 incredibly sad. Our chat is blowing up saying, what about LTT labs? LTT labs is going to, is going to guys, we're, we're, we're, we're barely set up to the point where, where we can start to really test, you know, CPUs, GPUs, things that are our core competencies, right? Digital photography is not, and there's so much to know. There's so much expertise that we don't have. And yeah, someday, you know have and yeah someday you know we'd love to we'd love to go toe-to-toe with you guys i'm ready i'm ready let's go create creative clash you know 20 20 28 uh i'll fight you uh maybe in the showdown yeah for sure we should have we should have like a canadian creator class like a beaver slap fight where just like you like wear boxing gloves and then verbally debate because you're like too nice or something. I don't know, man.

Starting point is 00:28:08 I used to know DOS, so you just watch yourself. I can make a batch file like nobody's business. But I also worry that, okay, I have to confess. People have talked internally before this even went down about whether we're going to get into digital photography. And my answer was, I'm kind of worried it's too niche. I don't even know if it makes sense for us to go into. Is that a concern that you guys have for the future now that smartphone cameras are so good? You know, the way I see it, we have been hearing this a lot about like, oh, it's a business model that's doomed and it's going to fail and stuff.

Starting point is 00:28:44 And I don't know if I'm really that that uh skeptical about it like we've had so many changes happen in digital in well in photography in general right and we had format changes when it was filmed then we had the start of digital and everybody's like oh this is stupid and now it's you know the predominant thing and then mirrorless and everybody's like oh that's stupid and now it's the predominant thing and smartphones and all those are a gimm, that's stupid. And now it's a predominant thing and smartphones and all of those are a gimmick. That's not going to take off and look where we are now. And now getting into AI and stuff. Like, I think when we, when we talk about imaging in general, there's still very much a future there. And I can't speak to DP reviews, financial solubility, but, you know, I know that, uh, it seemed like they were doing very well. You know, we were doing a lot of new projects and stuff.

Starting point is 00:29:26 So I don't really think it was that. I think it's more. That's even sadder maybe. Well, you know, I think it's more just like adapting to the industry and going forward. And I'm not too worried about it that way. But is it going to be, you know, SLRs and stuff? Maybe not as much. I mean, I think it's's gonna go back to how it was

Starting point is 00:29:46 before you know where everybody had the uncle that was the photographer over that period you know everybody got a compact camera multiple cameras and stuff like that like there was this huge boom that was totally unsustainable but you know like look we're working for a company now that you know we're with a company now that has more emphasis on things like computers and smartphones and other tech and stuff i think that's a smart way to go but you know at the same time as you said linus like photography digital photography if while you have time everybody listening you know go to the deep review forums and actually look at also the educational articles and when you really start getting into the science

Starting point is 00:30:25 behind things like dynamic range and low light performance and resolution and stuff, like it's advanced science. And the people at Deep Review are so much more intelligent than Jordan and I are. It's very intimidating to go meet them. Yes, we are dummies. They're very intelligent, very skilled people

Starting point is 00:30:42 with science-oriented backgrounds. And that's what you need. There's so much science behind it. So, yeah, learn that stuff. Get into it. It's fascinating. But, yeah, it's tough that we don't have that resource anymore. The real resource is just going to be the people that enjoy that resource that are hopefully going to start to maybe branch out, make their own educational websites maybe transfer or or save

Starting point is 00:31:05 some of those archives we're gonna have to see how it goes it's interesting to me of archiving i'm gonna be selfish for one second and mention that we did make about 400 over 400 videos for them and we don't know what's going to happen to those and i don't know if you guys can empathize in any way with suddenly potentially losing youtube videos this might not be i don't know if that's something you guys are adult but we would really like to see those stay on the website so definitely you know mention yeah you know get out there but people know you want those deep maybe let's be like supposed to exist maybe digital photography this cool like bootleg

Starting point is 00:31:38 underground like oh you go me know and you're like oh man I got a jump drive with an old DP review TV article on Linus's favorite you go meet a guy and you're like, oh, man, I got a jump drive with an old DP Review TV episode. Sneaker net. I've got an article on Linus's favorite, you know, Canon A20. I got some test shot shots here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we'll NFT our videos and we'll just... Well, I mean, I don't think I can condone any of the sort of privateering that our guests are talking about today. that our guests are talking about today.

Starting point is 00:32:07 I personally think it would be a crying shame if Amazon were to lose out on their intellectual property. You know what? I can't even do this. It's really easy to download YouTube videos. Yeah, yeah. It's really easy. There's a lot of tools for that. If you even just want to download our entire dp review archive and then you can just like

Starting point is 00:32:30 people could just play it while they're trying to fall asleep and stuff like that i'd be happy if someone's getting use out of it yeah that's great all right well um hey i think the last thing for us is to thank you for coming on and give you guys a chance to kind of give one more plug for where we can find more content from you guys. And if you know where any members of the team who you really respect are going to be landing, if you could kind of give some plugs for that as well. We want to learn, right?

Starting point is 00:32:59 And we have one resource going away, so hopefully this can become resource whack-a-mole and no amount of late- capitalism can kill it uh so tell us tell us where we can where we can get our fix our dp fix well look i think the first thing i yeah i want dp coming at me from all angles and then we'll review it for you we'll tell you how good it is nice perfect oh man um you know i i guess the first thing i would say is if anybody out there And then we'll review it for you. We'll tell you how good it is. Nice. Perfect. Oh, man. You know, I guess the first thing I would say is if anybody out there, you know, is looking for talented people, definitely get in touch with the staff that are at DP Review. So you're saying that not everyone has found somewhere to land yet, basically. Well, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:33:40 But, you know, like, get in touch with them, you know, put it out there. Because we've really appreciated a lot of the support that we got just after this announcement. So, you know, give get in touch with them, you know, put it out there. Cause we've really appreciated a lot of the support that we got just after this announcement. So, you know, give them some love. Otherwise pet a pixel, come subscribe to the channel.

Starting point is 00:33:51 We're going to start releasing new videos in may. So, okay. You know, this is plenty of time to build it up, subscribe. So you guys don't miss us. We would really appreciate it.

Starting point is 00:34:00 And, and again, the people that have been saying, we're going to follow you. We're going to stick with you. That's been the greatest feeling. It's, it's indescribable. So we're really appreciative of that.

Starting point is 00:34:07 All right. Well, thank you so much, guys. And thanks for sharing your experience. I hope you got some dinner while you were waiting for us to get the issues sorted out. Good night, everyone. We're good. Everything's good. We're happy to be here.

Starting point is 00:34:24 I'm happy to be here. Everyone's happy to be here today okay yeah and on that note why don't we get into our headline topic for the day which is the update on the ltt hackening uh the source for this uh for this topic is of course course, Reddit. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, they seemed to know about it before I did. And I want to kind of treat this as a little bit of Q&A. I'm sure, Dan, I haven't checked. I noticed that about a bazillion merch messages have hit you already. So, you know how last week we had 400? We've been live for 44 minutes.

Starting point is 00:35:05 Whoa! I see. And there are 350. Okay, I don't even know what we're launching this week, but whatever it is, you guys are apparently very excited about it. Well, I know that's one of them. The point is, Dan, do we

Starting point is 00:35:20 have any merch messages that you could feed me with that are kind of Q&A about what went down. Oh, you want some softballs? Yeah, here we go. Where was it? I want softballs to go with my softball. Did you guys hear that? Oh, sorry. Yeah. He's probably been typing like a merch message response every 17.3 seconds, so his knuckles were tied up. One of the first ones that we got is from Carlos. What came out of this that you most appreciate? Oh, wow, you did tee up some softball questions. Good work, Dan.

Starting point is 00:35:52 You're very welcome. I'm sure you're exhausted. I've thought about this a fair bit because I've had a couple people come up to me internally and ask, you know, I know that you didn't do this on purpose but are you glad it happened and my response uh my response has been if you told me that i could trade a night's sleep for 5 000 float plane subscribers subscribers, a banger, 4 million view video, a D brand sponsorship, um, and, and probably something else, you know, uh, Oh, being trending on Twitter for an entire day.

Starting point is 00:36:35 If someone said, would you trade a night's sleep for all of that? I would say yes. Yeah. But if they asked me, would you trade a night's sleep in a state of panic? I would say, gee, I really don't know about that. I had a blast. See, I know you're in your element. I loved it.

Starting point is 00:37:00 I had a wonderful time. I didn't even ask him. Okay, so he's up at four in the morning or whatever messaging, like just on the line with me and Yvonne. Okay, what can I do? Can I like go to the office and retrieve this device that we need or like check whatever? I didn't even ask him if he was going to be on time for work.

Starting point is 00:37:16 I suspect you never even went home. Oh, no, I didn't. Yeah, okay. Yeah. I was up for, what was it? So it's 41 hours. Yeah, Luke often talks about missing the early days of Linus Media Group. Not in spite of, but because of the state of,

Starting point is 00:37:40 of this constant state of existential crisis that we had. Like, the whole thing could dissolve at any second if we didn't go. We'll get to this later. We'll get to more details of this later. Some of us had children we had to worry about supporting, okay? And that was great, because then there was more for me to do. At one point in time, we're on the line

Starting point is 00:38:03 with a developer from Google and our support contact from Google. Both wonderful, very helpful people. Thank you very much. Yeah, thanks. We're on the line with them, and I'm working with them to restore the status of the various accounts. And James, I don't know if he said it through voice or if he typed it out, but he's like, you're having a really good time.

Starting point is 00:38:21 I was like, yeah, this is great. I'd do this all the time. Like, let's do this in another week or two. This is my jam. I am feeling, like I said, I was up for 41 hours. I'm a little older now than when we used to do that a little bit more frequently. And, you know, the recovery isn't quite there. I'm feeling a little haggard today.

Starting point is 00:38:43 Stay hydrated. Stay hydrated. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Stuff like that Stay hydrated. Yeah. Stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:46 Okay. But yeah, I loved it. It was great. Yeah. And I feel like that's a culture that you kind of cultivate in your team. Oh, dude. Because I asked none of them. I am so sick.

Starting point is 00:38:58 I am so upset that I missed Luke's call at 4 a.m. Because I would have been here. Yeah. Okay. Oh, man. Okay. Great. So I would have been here. Yeah, okay. Oh, man. Okay, so I didn't ask anybody. Joe, I knew was on it because I saw him in the Discord chat dealing with stuff, and then I checked the ticketing system, and I see him just chugging through stuff.

Starting point is 00:39:20 He never even checked with me. He just started working at like 3.30 in the morning and checked in way later in the day and was like, yep. Haven't slept doing tickets. I'm just like Sick. No, I never asked him to do it. He's just doing it aj's in early Everybody's like in early. I didn't ask anyone to come in early. Everybody's working late. I didn't ask anyone to work late They're just like yeah, there's problems. We're fixing them. i i i sent a message in our like here let me read it out because it was actually so i yeah while he looks that out i love this stuff here's the problem okay floatplane our our video platform for those of you who are not the few of you who are not watching on floatplane because as far as i can tell everyone's

Starting point is 00:40:00 watching on floatplane right now uh float plane is our in-house video streaming platform that has grown astronomically like 5 000 new subscribers more than that in the last 24 hours we we set a stretch target okay for the social team we set a stretch goal in fact i don't even think we had told the team yet uh but but colton and i were talking about it hey maybe we could set like a stretch goal of 40 000 subscribers by the end of the year is that reasonable is that something they could we're at 39 715 at our current rate we might pass that before i go to sleep yes um and so anyway it's been it's been, but the problem with adding that many new users, okay, new fresh users who are looking at it now is that it puts strain on systems that you might

Starting point is 00:40:54 not even realize because they're all on the site all at the same time. For example, the chat, um, we've had, we've had an issue that we've known about for a long time where if the chat rate is too high on floatplane it doesn't automatically scroll down to the latest you have to like manually click it to scroll down all the time well it was never a problem because not that many people were watching but i actually noticed last night when i did my welcome to floatplane stream because i had noticed we had 5 000 new people and I figured geez these guys all came on to floatplane to show their love we should say hi they they came on to be the first to know what's going on should they really be finding out in a YouTube video

Starting point is 00:41:38 the answer to that is no I'm very tired I'm very hungry but I'm gonna go on floatplane I'm gonna do a stream yeah hang out with you guys for a little bit thank you for showing up and i noticed that i had to constantly fix the chat to go down the bottom like i've never seen this issue before and that's just because we have so many more people on the site so the team has pushed extremely hard oh yeah uh so right okay what were you gonna say so the the I sent oh what it went away? Oh, no, I know where it is give me one so he's got this his brain is just Operating at the same speed as his horrible phone that he hates I sent this message I don't even know when this was because time at this point is an illusion, but I think it was last night technically

Starting point is 00:42:20 Great job everyone huge effort from everyone involved was extremely proud of everyone stepping up to get stuff done and keep us moving forward despite the issues and massive influx of users. Was a great reminder of how this team is very much made of people I enjoy working with. And I love those types of reminders. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, stuff just starts hitting the fan and when you don't even like have to ring the bell, everyone just shows up and is like, I'm on it. That's so cool. It's so sweet.

Starting point is 00:42:49 Also, yeah, AJ and Jaden in the chat here talking about even newer features. Yeah, did you even know about that? You said something about low latency streaming on floatplane, but I didn't know we were rolling it out. Are we just pushing things to prod now? Is that how we manage floatplane but I didn't know we were rolling it out. Are we just pushing things to prod now? Like is that how we manage floatplane now? Some of the fixes.

Starting point is 00:43:09 So what, we make you CTO of Linus Media Group. You get all busy with password migrations. I push to prod on Fridays. And everything just completely goes to hell in a handbasket over on the floatplane side. Are you saying you can't do two jobs at once and host the most popular tech podcast in the world? Are you saying I ask too much? Or do I ask too little because you seem to be having the time of your life. It's great.

Starting point is 00:43:32 One of my family members reached out with like concern because they saw everything going on and they're like, are you doing okay? And I'm like, this is awesome! Trust me, I'm good was I was commenting to someone because they're like haven't you fallen asleep yet at like hour 35 or something yeah and I'm like I'm good actually just if I stop working I'm done but like as long as there's something to do I'm just gonna keep cruising yeah it was uh it was good it was good. I do have a bone to pick with you. Oh. We have to fight. Okay.

Starting point is 00:44:06 But I think we should. Do we want to recap people on like what happened or do we just assume they know because the internet was real on top of this? Yeah. I couldn't believe how viral this went. I mean, shout out our forum moderators. Right. And Discord. I have never.

Starting point is 00:44:26 out our forum moderators right and discord i have never when i when i dropped in on the thread about this i assumed that people were discussing the hack in some like ancient thread and off topic that's just been around for years because it already had like 70 pages or something like that the second it happened everything else we had just got slammed like tons of people hit the store tons of people hit the forum tons of people hit the store. Tons of people hit the forum. Tons of people hit Flowplane. People were just like, how's everything else doing? And they wanted to talk about it and stuff, which, I mean, that's great. Makes sense.

Starting point is 00:44:51 Yeah. But I just, yeah, just the fact that everyone, again, like the forum moderators are another example of a team that went into disaster response mode. Just immediately. Disaster response immediately without me even acknowledging that they are working so hard as volunteers in the community like Just thank you very much everyone. I forget where like you The brains all fried is that I actually can talk myself past my my my Ram buffer in my brain and no longer have any idea how I started even the sentence that I am now trying to complete so I don't know what I was talking about anymore yeah we're both we're both not as great at recovering from lack of sleep as we used to because I actually bet you this would not have

Starting point is 00:45:37 been a problem back in the day and I can't help you because I'm in the exact same situation cool the other thing that I can't do right now is multitask like at all I've noticed if I start workers I can't do right now is multitask like at all. I've noticed if I start working, I can't hear. Right, right. We're supposed to be doing the series of events. Okay. So it happened.

Starting point is 00:45:53 The internet exploded. I can give you guys a little bit more detail. You know, in the video, I wanted to keep everything actionable. You know, here's what's actionable for our team because I know every person in this building watched that video there's no way they didn't and here's what's actionable for google because i know that video is making the rounds at google so i wanted to really focus on what we can do differently what they can do differently how do we solve this problem and it's a huge problem i actually had the creator of uh here let me just uh find my discord here um i had the creator of oh no what where's this damn message crap same problems uh how do you how do you just find there search? Yeah, I just don't even know which Discord I was in.

Starting point is 00:46:48 Here it is. Okay. The creator of filmot.com, which is a super cool... Oh, my God, my folding phone. It just dropped me into a completely different Discord. Okay. The creator of a super cool site, filmot.com. It's a subtitle YouTube search.

Starting point is 00:47:06 So you can search YouTube videos by their subtitles. Interesting. So if you want to find every video where I said, dang it, Luke, you can just key that in and it'll bring it up, including the timestamp. Very interesting. So cool. timestamp very interesting so cool anyway um because he archives and uh oh my words uh because he archives subtitles you can actually search his tool for certain keywords that might indicate that a channel has been taken over so he has a feed of videos that are being added and deleted on about

Starting point is 00:47:44 20 million channels, not the entire site. And he can extract channel name changes, which can indicate hacked and taken over channels in history. And this is really cool because he sent me this message that I was totally afraid to open because I thought it might be a PDF, an executable disguised as a PDF, right? But he sent me this text file that has every channel in the last 10 days

Starting point is 00:48:07 that had its name changed to Tesla Live or Tesla Motor, something with Tesla in it, how many subscribers it has, and look at this list. This is last 10 days. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:21 Well, I showed Jake this thing that you can do, which is really straightforward. And I think you guys ended up showing it in that video. But if you just search on YouTube Elon Musk, and then there's not the most obvious thing in the world, but there's a filter button. And then it expands different ways that you can filter, and you filter by live. live and you just scroll through and you look through thumbnails of his face or thumbnails of that zoom call or thumbnails of uh some spacex stuff because there's spacex versions of what happened to us yep they're just everywhere and tons of them have like 5 000 people watching

Starting point is 00:48:55 it's not a small number there's like at least five or six you'll find and then you scroll a little bit more you'll find five or six more constantly. Just 5,000, 3,000, 2,000, all over the place. It's crazy. This is a huge problem that needs to be fixed. And the only reason that we haven't raised the alarm about it before is I didn't know about it. Sometimes I'm just in my bubble and working on my stuff, and I just don't notice these things. But this is disastrous. So I can give you guys a little bit more detail about, you know,

Starting point is 00:49:25 what things were like in the war room. First of all, when two entities are in an account at the same time, trying to make changes at the same time, things can get a little janky. And one of the reasons that I wasn't able to lock things down was that i didn't i i i immediately went for okay the 2fa is compromised right okay it's got to be the 2fa is compromised they've got to be in the account but because the account that was breached was not linus techips at gmail.com not the actual channel owner account all of the attempts that i was making resetting that 2fa all that kind of stuff not just that okay not just that not only was resetting 2fa and resetting a password not helping but even revoking all the devices that were logged in was not helping.

Starting point is 00:50:28 And that's something that a lot of people, I think, in their responses to this don't realize. Like Linus, as soon as you realize something was wrong, why didn't you just revoke every signed-in device? Because it didn't f***ing work. And you've got to remember, too, it's 3.30 in the morning. I have foggy, I've-been-s***ing work. Yeah. And so, and you got to remember too, it's 3.30 in the morning. I have foggy, I've been sleeping brain. I am laser focused on figuring out how to secure my 2FA.

Starting point is 00:50:54 Because I think that it's, I think that it's pretty, you know, self-explanatory that I don't have a completely separate two-factor authentication system for every single account, right? So the YouTube account was not the only thing I was concerned about. So I'm sitting here going, I'm checking other accounts. Is anything else compromised? Is anything else breached? And then I'm like, okay, I'm going to lock them out of LTT. And then I'm like, okay, I'm going to lock them out of LTT. The LTT account was not how they got in. Then I realized I don't know how to use the content manager system. I didn't set it up.

Starting point is 00:51:34 Colt set it up. I don't know. Maybe I should have just called him in the middle of the night, but I didn't. Because I thought, okay, I can probably figure this out. It's just a matter of resetting passwords and lock it down, lock it down. But it took me a while to figure out how to manage who has access to a particular channel through Content Manager. Then, and this is something I didn't want to throw at YouTube at the time because it just didn't feel constructive.

Starting point is 00:52:04 Once I did figure out how to lock people out, whether it's a flaw of the system, whether it's because our account had been flagged in some way, I couldn't lock it down. Even once I knew. So the way it works is with your Linus Media Group email, you're assigned a role, some kind of role that gives you varying levels of access to the various channels. And the Linus Tech Tips one, because it has so many people who work on it, even in an uploader capacity, because like the business team, for example, uploads sponsored videos, the writers upload non-sponsored videos, like there's all these different workflows, and there's all these different reasons that a lot of people do need to have some level of access to it um the linus tech tips one

Starting point is 00:52:49 has quite a few people that have some role or another and because i had finally figured out the vector i was trying to lock it down and it would time out every single time so even once i knew yeah that one's rough that's why the additional channels went down even once I knew... Yeah, that one's rough. That's why the additional channels went down. Even once I knew, I couldn't stop it. And now, fortunately, as we made our way into the smaller channels, there were fewer and fewer people who had roles, and we were able to lock them down. That's why we only lost LTT, TechLinked, and TechWiki,

Starting point is 00:53:20 because obviously these scammers wanted to go for the biggest channels first. I'm kind of surprised. That's a huge problem. They didn't take like not even that much extra time. I probably shouldn't put ideas in people's heads, but not even that much extra time and just hit all of them at once. That surprised me a little bit. Yeah, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:53:43 I don't know. It's a good question. There were a few things that were very confusing to me especially because i wasn't familiar with this sort of attack where they hijack your session token from your browser and then act like they are your browser even though they're accessing it from somewhere else now here's something that i'm really confused about because i've encountered this on many accounts and unfortunately like i've never thought about it so i don't know if i've ever seen it on a google account

Starting point is 00:54:10 but when you access a service with a token that was created somewhere ip stuff so as far as my understanding goes like are they just vpn-ing through somewhere that they think is probably close to me and hoping that the token will last or i did see that there when looking through a bunch of logs and stuff i did see that certain device connection things were coming from uh vancouver canada i see i don't know if all of them did um i remember at one point in time talking about um a device connecting from a certain country but i don't know if we were the the person i that we're talking i don't know if we were just like using that as you know a country that's far away yeah or if that was actually a connection that happened right um but as i don't know that google i have heard from other people, but this is entirely hearsay at this point.

Starting point is 00:55:08 So I really don't want to claim it as anything. Yeah. That Google doesn't really do IP checks on those cookies. Right. Because the conversation that I had with this person was they were going, wow, I'm always surprised that Google doesn't do this because all these other services do. But I don't know if that's true or not. It makes sense. Well, here's the thing, right?

Starting point is 00:55:26 Like, if the geographical location changes dramatically, then it's kind of a no-brainer. But if they're VPNing through somewhere close to you, then, I mean, that could be something as simple as, you know, switching from your Wi-Fi to your friend's Wi-Fi. You don't want to log back into everything. We do know that, oh, yeah, no, okay, there was definitely one connection that happened from Germany. For sure. We saw that. That's a, I don't know if that had anything to do

Starting point is 00:55:57 with the Google accounts or anything else, though. I know that happened at one point for one thing. If any of the Google accounts, and that one that came from Germany was from a VM provider in Germany. Very trackable. Right. In my opinion, it wouldn't be... You mean VPN provider.

Starting point is 00:56:13 What did I say? You said VM provider. Yeah, I meant VPN. Sorry, he got it. We got there. If they used a VPN provider to get to a node that's in Vancouver, personally, I would throw crazy red flags on an account that went from its rough location to pretty

Starting point is 00:56:33 close to its rough location. Yeah. I mean, if Netflix can do it. Yeah. Like make them re-log in. You don't have to like, you know, go nuclear, but just make them re-log in. Yeah. Whatever.

Starting point is 00:56:42 Maybe don't, you know what? Maybe don't even make them have multiple factors. Or maybe make that something you can configure. But do something. Like do 2FA or something? Yeah. Or don't make them do 2FA. Like their GOTP code or whatever. Yeah. Maybe just make them put in a one-time

Starting point is 00:56:57 code. Yeah. Right? I would consider that to be something. Just some form of like, hey, something weird happened. Are you good? Yeah, we couldn't help noticing that there was some weird stuff. Yeah, oh man, that was another really frustrating one. I don't know 100% what they do though. As part of the lockdown attempts that I was making, I was trying to change the recovery phone number

Starting point is 00:57:16 on the linusstechtips at gmail.com account because I thought maybe that had been compromised, it was sim hijacked or something like that. And it was erroring out every time Come on and part of the error out was that as I was doing it was trying to reauthenticate me And I'm like okay now you do it, but then it was causing it to error out come on Okay, I was extremely angry and extremely naked I was was as angry as I was naked. So I was too and Sometimes I really laugh at the similarities between Linus and I because like we're we're different in a bunch of ways

Starting point is 00:57:56 But then certain things are just like wow that's really oddly Identical because our response was literally matched the second i figured out about i didn't call you immediately i don't remember exactly how it went but i tried to verify because someone informed me and i was on my phone yeah and i was like okay i need to like get to my i'm tired like i need to get downstairs get to my computer make sure this is real and then i called you afterwards yeah but i just immediately bounced out of bed, grabbed like my clothes from the day before that was on my way out, so it didn't take me any extra time, did not bother to put them on, immediately ran downstairs, sat at my computer, and just dropped the clothes next to me and started working,

Starting point is 00:58:36 and didn't recognize until like, I think it was an hour and a half later. Well, you're not going to be cold when you're juiced up on adrenaline. Yeah, no. But my roommate's door to his room is directly behind my desk. Oh he could have seen some stuff. So he wakes up, he wakes up at 430 every day, he's an early bird. He wakes up and gets in the shower. Yeah. And I hear the shower turn on, I'm like okay, time to put on clothes. But I was, I was, I didn't know you were. I was similarly naked for the first like hour and a half of this thing hilarious I find that very funny but

Starting point is 00:59:09 okay here's my here's my bone to pick with you buck oh why what what did I do this is why we're fighting so yeah this is the first time hearing of us fighting is this like a topic in the doc I've never read the I didn't want to prime you on it because I didn't want to disrupt your day oh and I wanted to all right what are we going to save the juice for one show? Is this because I bailed on the call with the YouTube engineer because I was I look I was doing My kids okay, I needed to go I sent the message. I said good dad at whatever point I genuinely thought that I had it under control

Starting point is 00:59:39 There wasn't actually much that you could really do that was going to be different or beneficial What is he mad about let's see should I try should I try to try to figure it out? Okay? Okay? He's mad, but he's not that mad, but he's clearly a little kind of mad. Okay. Okay. Hold on hold on okay I'm just like more grown up now, so I'm dealing with it better that I didn't call you Okay that okay. I don't even thought about that yet. Okay, I shouldn't- I shouldn't come up with reasons for him to be mad. Now I'm mad about that. I'm- Yeah, what the heck? I'm digging myself a deeper hole here. My stupid phone doesn't even know when I called you, which is great.

Starting point is 01:00:18 Um, it's annoying. I know when the Teams call started, but that wasn't the first call. Alright, why are you mad? Why are you mad? Okay, so... Teams call started, but that wasn't the first call. All right. Why are you mad? Why are you mad? Okay. So I'm in pretty early on this whole thing. Yes. I'm not the first person who calls you, but I got to be pretty early on. Yeah. And I push through the whole thing.

Starting point is 01:00:39 I like to think I did pretty well. There's definitely some mistakes, but I think they're relatively minor and acceptable considering how tired I was. Make it through this whole thing. I'm feeling pretty good i go to bed feeling like really good i'm sitting there waiting for the video to go up because i know there's certain like limitations that accounts can have on youtube yeah and i'm worried this whole time that we're not actually gonna be able to upload sure so i'm waiting just in case like i need to dive back in i see the video go live i click on it it starts to play I close it immediately fall asleep yeah I was probably asleep like potentially before the phone was fully laid down yeah I was out I wake up because my scheduled alarm goes off at nine in the morning so I only got like seven hours of sleep after that whole thing I wake up and immediately

Starting point is 01:01:21 I'm like I want to watch the video now. Oh, I think I see where this is going I watched the video What do you think in the video might have pissed me off the fact that I didn't specifically call you out as no I hope oh because you might notice I had a writer credit on that video I did not write myself into it at all because I actually didn't really care So what do you think in the video might have pissed me off? Okay, hold on hold on let me think Cuz I got Roasted for this by a bunch of my friends like a lot of them. Okay, hold on hold on I

Starting point is 01:02:00 Still don't know I don't think I've actually I don't know certain people in this space Just reach out to me and be like are you actually an idiot before? Okay, but they did this time. Wait, wait, hold on Hold on. Hold on. Okay. Is it that I didn't acknowledge that it wasn't your job yet to The malware warning we got? Okay. Okay. No, okay. You gotta tell me. Okay, so So I don't even remember what's in that video I don't even I don't think I've even talked to AJ about this and AJ knows one of the problems There's two problems half half half the time this one is much less of a problem because I know How you meant it, but the way that you said it?

Starting point is 01:02:41 No one else interpreted that way that way you said time you acknowledged me at one point in the video and again I didn't necessarily want acknowledgement it's fine but you did acknowledge me at one point the video to say that I was there for half of the night you said that because the night started it started in the middle of night how everyone's going to interpret that is I was there for half of the time and then you didn't reference any other part that I was still working on anything Okay, so people were like oh he showed up for half of the bad boy That's not what that I knew you didn't mean it that way it started at 3 30 in the morning

Starting point is 01:03:17 That's like the halfway point of the night. I heard it and I was like darn it He's doing that thing that he does with react content and the the word that I'm not gonna mention and stuff like that We were up half the night Yeah, I got working on the thing So I was like I was annoyed by that because of the interpretation that I knew the audience was going to get and how it painted Me that's not fair to him or to me, but yes, I knew that you didn't mean it that way. Okay, what did I mean? I was annoyed, but we're still cool. All right. are we not cool about that you've waited for a podcast- What we're not cool about-

Starting point is 01:03:48 With 35 to 40,000 people watching- What we're not cool about, and I have multiple witnesses for this, Oh no. including your wife, and my partner- My wife. You were like, I had no idea what the attack vector was, and if I watched Theo Joe's video, maybe I would have known. Yes. I told you f***ing immediately what the problem was.

Starting point is 01:04:16 What? So everyone's messaging me being like, dude, how did you not know? I didn't know! Okay. So let me explain that. No, I did not! Okay, so let me explain that. Because the private conversation that I had with Yvonne later,

Starting point is 01:04:30 and you probably witnessed some of this, was very conciliatory. I was pretty rude to her in the heat of the moment. I did witness that. Yeah, so what I said to her was like, I have no excuse for this. I'm really sorry not only was I was I short

Starting point is 01:04:49 but given the not even intentional not only was I short but I was not attentive enough to the instructions that you were giving me that would have made the situation resolve itself faster. I knew exactly what department of the company it went to. I also knew exactly how to fix it.

Starting point is 01:05:18 And I asked you if you could log me in, I can fix it for you. And you said, no, I'm focused right now, which is fine. Yes. Which is fine. Yes, which is fine So that's have the video come out okay? That is a banger I for it to be like there is no way I could have known I didn't I'd like didn't say there Was no way I could have known I said I didn't know and to know I would have had to watch this video Which by the way shout out that video Theo Joe was in the script because? Again, I got a writer credit on this thing that just roasts me which is sick um but that video is in the script

Starting point is 01:05:52 because it's an amazing it's really good it's a very good video and i knew we weren't going to go into as much detail about the attack and how to avoid and how to identify and stuff so i wanted that video to be referenced because it is fantastic so I'm not I'm not dogging on on just be like super clear it's a great video I wanted it in there so here's that is not the only way that you could have known so here's the second thing that I said to Yvonne which she knows because she's been with me for 18 years or something like that was that okay I do not operate well before about noon never Never mind at three in the morning. Yeah, yeah. If I'm still up at three in the morning,

Starting point is 01:06:29 I'm sharp as a tack. Probably still fine. But if I am already up at three in the morning, I am non-functional. At my best, I have diagnosed for real ADD. At my absolute best. Focus, not easy for me. It's one of the things that makes me and her an absolutely incredible team

Starting point is 01:06:53 because I'm going every different direction. I got ideas coming into my brain faster than you could shake a stick at, right? And she is focused and methodical. She's the one who can actually make sure that anything comes of any of it um isn't she her sorry to yeah she's the one that actually got the accounts of course fixed yeah i thought of course because because she's the one that is yeah and i don't know it's weird because in certain types of crises i'm the one who's cool and collected like we got side swiped on the freeway a number of years ago and she's just like in a panic and I'm sitting here going, okay, you know, signal on, pull over, not on the bridge, over there.

Starting point is 01:07:36 Okay, make sure we flag them down. Make sure they're stopping. Do this, do that. Get this information. Take these pictures. In certain types of, in a certain type of crisis, I'm the one who's collecting. Relationship dynamics are often like that. In other kinds of crises where we're trying to figure out what's going on,

Starting point is 01:07:52 my brain's going, it could be this, it could be this, it could be this, it could be this, and I'm trying to execute anything, and I can't do anything with all these ideas coming in and with not one but two people talking into each of my ears While I am in a brain fog at three in the morning I can tell you now with 100% honesty that I have no idea that you ever told me that or ever asked me that I know Yvonne does because later on in the call. She even she asked me She's like, how did you know it was that and I had to explain like God

Starting point is 01:08:24 There's there's been like a bunch of videos a bunch of articles like this has been going around quite a bit lately all that kind Of stuff and I even told her today, and she was like what how did he not know that and I was like Man, did you know that her and I started trying to work around you? No? Oh, and so we started on a way and show not even that long ago I talked about how like Yvonne, and I used to butt heads all the time and now we're super bros but during this you were like going nuclear a little bit so her and I started PMing each other to get work done yeah good on the side that's fine which was great which is great because it meant that you guys were quiet which yes but I could

Starting point is 01:08:58 actually focus on anything which was actually the goal because it was like I've been in that mode too where you just like need people to not talk to you yeah, but Yvonne and I needed to be in the call with you Yes, but us talking to each other was gonna be really disrupting so like it it it it made sense So I'm sorry, but I can honestly tell you I had no idea damn it Okay, I said it like a bunch of times, but I understand I wasn't hearing any of it Yeah, because I was like I couldn't even figure out so here's another thing too we've been undergoing a password migration recently yeah i couldn't even figure out how to get there were accounts that i couldn't get into not because any hijacker had them but because i didn't have the right f***ing credentials anymore. And so part of what I was

Starting point is 01:09:45 panicked about was you guys were telling me it was something or something. You guys were telling me things and I was like, hold on a second. I think they're in another account, but maybe I can lock this one down. Shut the f*** up. I'm trying to... It was a very chaotic call.

Starting point is 01:10:04 Okay, so where are we at in the timeline then? Because I think that's still technically what we're doing. It's chaos in the middle of the night. Okay, yeah. You, I, and Yvonne are involved. Ayy! You and I are naked. For some reason she still has her clothes on. No! Hey, we can make it work.

Starting point is 01:10:22 Hey, we can make it work. Okay, so we're struggling with accounts. There's still the question, because there was, I don't want to go into why this time, but there was a reason why we were concerned about 2FA stuff. Yes. So I fire off to the office. Something to do with something. Yes.

Starting point is 01:10:45 And it was also something to do with why I was having trouble figuring something out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even remember what time that is. I'm not even gonna bother looking. Doesn't matter. But I, I fire to the office and I start, I don't know if you get this type of feeling,

Starting point is 01:11:00 but while I'm driving there, definitely at legally approved speeds on the road. Don't do that. I start getting yeah sure You're no good to me dead I'll make it. I always try the speed limit I wonder who I got it from What was I gonna say? Yeah, while I'm driving there I had this like wave of I don't even necessarily want to call it emotion, but feeling wash over me Yeah, where I recognized that like This is sick

Starting point is 01:11:37 Like I knew it was horrible, but I'm flying to the office I there's like cars on the road because people are waking up to go to work I've been awake for more than a day. And I'm like, this is going to be awesome. I don't know necessarily exactly what's going to happen. I run out the door and my girlfriend's awake. Cause like I'm freaking out. So she can't fall asleep easily. Um, and as I say bye to her, run out the door, get to the car, get to the office, all this kind of stuff. Once I figured out the door get to the car get to the office all this kind of stuff once i figured out the first thing that i was there for there was now a second thing that i was there for and i was like whatever i'm just gonna buckle in i'm here all day so i i grab what i need from where i first

Starting point is 01:12:14 started go to where my desk is at and then realize like i have no i have no food or water or anything so i start looking around and there's nothing in the office ready to go so my girlfriend on her way to work a few hours later drops by and brings me this like care package nice a change of clothes deodorant a toothbrush and an entire set of like food and drinks and everything i need for the full day which which was sick. That was like, that was a, that was a banger of a move. That's a way to gain a lot of, a lot of, uh, brownie points with me. Um, so I was set and ready to go. And then I just, I just cranked it out for the rest of the day. We had to do a lot of stuff. There was a huge amount of coordination that had like six or seven

Starting point is 01:13:02 different email threads that had to bounce back and forth between you and james and me and google we had a plan for what video was supposed to go up that day yeah at um let's see sometime in the morning um you know it's it's good you should have gotten a writer credit you did you did do work on it i actually was really surprised i got one because jake did like 85 90 95 i don't know some massive percentage more than me i was mostly just there like validating things so at some point in the morning i went into content creator brain mode yeah and i sent this message we're clearly not uploading framework today I have to I have to go in I had to go in early because we were shooting something at 10 with

Starting point is 01:13:52 with a viewer so that would that have been scheduled but I basically go we need to be on this as early as possible but the outline is basically this size is not necessarily an advantage saw some speculation that our size we must must have some kind of Uber systems or whatever, and we're better equipped than most small channels are, but the larger you are, the larger the attack surface. Can use examples like the way that it came out that some large companies were writing checks to contractors for hundreds of thousands of dollars without realizing that the invoices were totally bogus.

Starting point is 01:14:18 Do you remember that scam? The more people, the more potential vectors for attack. 2FA. You guys talk about it all the time. Don't you use it? It's not perfect. Discuss problems with 2FA. You guys talk about it all the time. Don't you use it? It's not perfect. Discuss problems with 2FA. Factors can be compromised.

Starting point is 01:14:28 For convenience, we often have multiple secondary factors, which increases the attack surface again. And most importantly, almost every account still has text slash email as an automatic account recovery system of some sort, both of which can be vulnerable. So was it... So what? It was simjacking again?

Starting point is 01:14:43 How could you be stupid enough to fall for that again? And how is this even a video actually? No, it's not the same as last time detailed explanation of session hijacking and how that could be used to gain access to an account Temporarily and even change credentials will need help with this. I have that in bold Apparently I didn't remember that I did get help with that. So that's cool Something that wouldn't have been nearly as effective if it wasn't for our content manager system Shout out what YouTube did well shout out what YouTube could do better with detailed blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's clear that

Starting point is 01:15:09 we have disaster response processes to improve. I realized at four in the morning or whatever. Shout out Steve from Gamers Nexus. Here's what's going to happen. I think that was shortly before I put together the kids' lunches because Yvonne basically was like, okay, I'm going through and changing all the accounts accounts which I guess meant she's working with you to change all the accounts Which meant the Dan did most of it Yvonne did all of the like ultra high threat

Starting point is 01:15:37 Recently screwed over account stuff meaning she did all the like channels and stuff like that Okay, and then Dan like power suit one password every 1.2 minutes I'm gonna type and look nowhere else other than my screen for 16 hours all the remaining accounts which is fantastic because I planned to help him and then there was just Way too much other stuff to do so I prepared lunches for the kids for school And I think this happened sometime either before before or after that so this is like seven something i guess um man so then i came into the office i was in content mode at this point in time sorry i need to pull us back slightly for one second at this point in

Starting point is 01:16:18 time we have identified uh so i think it was mentioned earlier. It wasn't the primary account. It was an account who had access to multiple different channels that we have. So at this point in time, we have identified whose account it was. Oh, that was frustrating. We've identified what computer it was. Yeah. We've identified that person is online

Starting point is 01:16:39 communicating with me. They're helping me figure stuff out. Google knew for hours which account it was, but never communicated that to us except via like an automated system that thankfully yvonne happened to like yeah get a notification from uh like it wasn't they didn't tell us hey it's this one turn this computer off you know anyway yeah i ran over and unplugged it and it's hiding by my desk now so that people don't plug it in and stuff um but yeah so at this point in time we've we have a lot of the information we know the exact attack vector we know literally the file we know the name of the file all this kind

Starting point is 01:17:18 of stuff from the antivirus software and all these different types of things like we are very informed but there's a massive ocean of work to do yeah three channels are offline like damage has been done and we're in recovery mode and all that kind of stuff but we know we we are very well informed we know what's going on yeah sorry keep going uh no no that okay well i mean yeah so i guess the next thing for me is i rolled into office and was not surprised at all that you were already there. I wasn't sure. Maybe you passed out or whatever.

Starting point is 01:17:49 I wouldn't have blamed you. But if there's still stuff to do, then it also didn't surprise me. Yeah. And then I was, like, making videos. And then, right. So my focus for the rest of the day was, holy crap, you know, how do we get this video about the hijacking out and I'm thinking strategy right because that's what I'm good at is okay with all these pieces of information and how do I you know what's what's the what's the battle plan what what pieces can I move around on the board to execute methodically

Starting point is 01:18:24 right and so I'm kind of sitting here going okay no change of plans no what pieces can I move around on the board to execute methodically, right? And so I'm kind of sitting here going, okay, no, change of plans, no framework laptop video today, even if the channel comes back online. We need to get all the right people connected with all the right other people on YouTube because I know that I'm going to be basically MIA and not able to respond to them today. So I need to get all those contacts handed off. And then we need to figure out what are we going to do to keep all these spam scam notifications that the channel was sending out

Starting point is 01:18:50 from affecting us algorithmically so that was my focus all right so i need to get this video shot and then we need to figure out what are we uploading when and if this channel comes back online because what it was supposed to be was an update from Framework, the laptop company that I am invested in. That would have been great as a banger of a video. But would it be enough to give us the algorithmic kick in the ass that we need to overcome whatever? Because I mean, it's not like I didn't see people saying, yeah, I got i unsubscribed thinking it was like i was accidentally subscribed to tesla or something i didn't even realize that it was ltd that i was unsubscribing from i'm sitting here going okay

Starting point is 01:19:33 how many of those people are there what's the most effective way to reach them and get them back um and so i'm going okay no we must come hell or high water make a video about this hijacking a very good call while the momentum is still on our side You know on reddit on the LTT forum on Twitter in the community where people are still wanting to know like how do I upload? My video about this before fucking Asmongold, right? I mean, I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna be moist critical, okay Yeah, but if I can beat if i can beat asmongold to reporting on my own situation then that's probably a good thing right so so i'm i'm kind of like okay

Starting point is 01:20:13 here's this outline i wrote in the wee hours of the morning i cannot write this video i need you guys to go fill in these blanks i left some blanks pass that off to james and jake who apparently also shared the load with Luke. I didn't even know, by the way, that you had a writing credit on it until you told me just now. I don't even necessarily think I should have. Jake did massively, massively more than I did. Then Jake brings me

Starting point is 01:20:35 the script once I'm done, and I basically sit there, and I give full credit to Jake. Everything he did was great, but the problem was that... I did notice it was a bit different. Yeah. The problem was that I do edit our scripts. And I was not in a state of mind where I was really able to edit.

Starting point is 01:20:54 So I sat with him for a little bit. I went through the technical parts, making sure that anything... Because the session token thing is something I just learned about. It's not like I didn't know what a session token was. But just the exact mechanism of the hijacking. I wasn't familiar with it, and you need to make sure you get these things right as much as you at least freaking can,

Starting point is 01:21:11 right? Crisis mode. So I basically went through, okay, so here's these details that I need to go through. Get the f*** out of my office in the nicest possible way. I was like, look, I don't think I can review someone else's work right now. I think I'm better off putting in my headphones and just banging this out myself.

Starting point is 01:21:29 You get into like the survival mode functions of your brain are still running. So you can still dial in on a single task, but you can't, like the other stuff starts to fade. It starts to fall away. You gotta do what you gotta do. I can't have someone next to me right now like discussing this with me

Starting point is 01:21:44 because normally that's how we would go through and do script review. Because that's how we end up with our best work is me and the writer sitting and collaborating on it. And we did that for a while. And I was just like, it's not that your ideas are bad or that the work you've done is bad or anything. I just can't do this right now. And I need to just focus because this video must come up. Poor Hoffman was here editing until like after midnight, I think. I was going to ask who did that.

Starting point is 01:22:09 Hoffman, superstar. Yeah, so there's one step that you don't know about. So that message where you decided, I don't think I necessarily even got it. I don't know. I got a lot of messages that day. The message where you decided like, okay, no, this isn't Saturday's video anymore. it. I don't know. I I got a lot of messages that day the message where you decided like okay No, this isn't Saturday's video anymore. This is now today's video. Yeah, we had to totally change the plan Oh because I I had stuff like I wanted a thing in there where we showed like

Starting point is 01:22:37 Someone trying to get into their apartment building. Oh Like b-roll and like yeah we had all these different oh jake wanted to get the compromised machine and the account opened back up and get the exact email for screenshots oh yeah i was like no we gotta strike while the iron's hot so like but we we what i'm saying is we had one direction and then and then we had to like change it pretty significantly so most of my contributions were to the first direction and then jake had to like redo basically the whole thing and i had to take off because there's too many other things going on but yeah what you were saying about like task delegation and stuff my biggest goal was the show's got to go on and by that i mean like the company needs to keep working so i was like

Starting point is 01:23:23 okay i'm getting offers for help from everyone on the planet, which I very much appreciate. Thank you very much. That's very cool. But I actually need all of you to keep doing your jobs. And I need like this small team of people, which ended up mostly just being the people that I normally work with, which is great.

Starting point is 01:23:41 Need to like hammer this as hard as we can and try to solve things without disrupting too many other people's you know flows and whatnot so that was perfect that you went into like production mode that was exactly what i was hoping you would do yeah because like we if we can if we can have a handle on everything else and you can keep doing that that's the right move that's what we got to do yeah exactly so like I was totally on board hey we still shot six videos this week which is I heard you talking to you probably James about that and you were like hey that's actually pretty good it's a pretty big W yeah it's actually pretty crazy oh I forgot at some point I I went into CEO mode oh right I remember I was sitting on the

Starting point is 01:24:22 set waiting for the the shoot with the viewer. I was actually a little bit early to the office because Yvonne did not want to nap for 45 minutes. I really did after dropping the kids off, but before going to work, fine. So I, so I was sitting on set and, you know, catching up on things, right. Cause I had stuff to do. Um, but then I was like, oh crap, I should really send out something. We had already sent a message much earlier in the morning going, hey, there's a situation. But I went into CEO mode

Starting point is 01:24:51 and I basically wrote a Q&A post. Oh, this was a really good write-up. I mean, when I'm not being distracted... You can do it. Yeah, I'm in the zone. So I'm just like, hey, all, I know from your one-on-ones that you prefer getting updates about this sort of thing on WAN show not everyone has a floatplane account so it won't be

Starting point is 01:25:12 possible to reach you all like that I'll settle for a post on teams and basically went through okay what happened what's being done to fix it what does it mean some good stuff I should be more updates over the course of the rest of the day, maybe into tomorrow. And then I fell asleep in my chair, which obviously James took a picture of. Okay, so I was going to ask, is that that moment? That is not staged.

Starting point is 01:25:34 So wait, the laptop, you write that post, enter, gone. I was out for probably about half an hour in that chair. That's awesome. Yeah, I mean, it's a framework laptop, so it falls who cares i'll just fix it i i tried to sleep two times um the first time i think was when i sent was this in no the first the first time uh was just in a lull of stuff there was nothing that i could really there was some things that i could like do like yeah i didn't get to do my normal job that day yeah so there was a lot of things that i could do uh but there wasn't anything disaster mode that i could do so i i even told dan i was like all right set an alarm for the i think it

Starting point is 01:26:24 was his idea to set an alarm whatever however i think it was his idea to set an alarm whatever however it worked i don't know time's an illusion um i'm gonna set an alarm as well i'm gonna go lay down and try to sleep for like half an hour max because if i sleep for longer than that it's gonna be bad but like getting some amount of energy gain right now like micro naps or whatever it's called is like good but sleeping for an hour and a half or two hours really bad yeah yeah yeah i don't remember why but either way i was aware of that so i was like okay i don't know how long this is gonna go at this point in time google's kind of unsure right yeah so this could go into like the very wee hours of the morning yeah oh easy and i'm like okay i'm

Starting point is 01:27:02 gonna try to get some energy back i like send a couple messages do a couple things go go sit down on the couch send one more message on my phone start leaning over to lay down and ping okay i need to go back and keep going all right so i get up get back to my desk no that's not the case a little little while later, I'm like, okay, I have another time, another lull again, whatever. I send you and Yvonne like a status update thing. Yep. Which I do not remember reading, but I'm pretty sure it happened. I know you reacted to it.

Starting point is 01:27:34 But yeah, memory of things is wild. But yeah, I get confirmation from you guys that you've read it somehow. And then in there, I think it's think is like i'm gonna go lay down so call me if you need me and then i did the same thing you know set timers whatever go lay down i do actually get to lay down this time yeah so i'm on like the couch that's in the middle of the lab if you haven't seen that video it's actually fantastic there's like fire in front of the lab building it's a really cool walkthrough but i'm on that couch that's still there um and i like you know lay the sweater on top of me and whatnot so i can try to fall asleep i think i'm on that couch that's still there um and i like you know lay the sweater on

Starting point is 01:28:05 top of me and whatnot so i can try to fall asleep i think i'm down for like five minutes and then it's go time again i wasn't even fully asleep because my brain's churning through too many things and i'm like all right okay hey wasn't there one where i said or like you told me you were gonna what was this before the Google call? This was right before the Google call. Okay. All right. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:28 Okay. Yeah. So it was like the main thing for the whole night that we were waiting for happened right then. And it was like, all right, let's go. But that was so much fun. That was really cool. There's, we got a lot of help from,

Starting point is 01:28:42 the people that got in just wrecked havoc on the account in general. They were changing the status of a ton of videos. So public, private, unlisted. They were changing all that kind of stuff. And that was just like out of pure malice. The first time I got in, even though the streams were going,

Starting point is 01:28:57 nothing had really been touched other than the channel name. But then once I took the streams down once, they just started just i think part of it is just keeping you on your heels and that's a big part of why i wasn't able to pay attention to anything because there was a new fire for me makes sense popping up while you guys are talking in my ear about you know what it could be and i'm sitting here going like oh my god everything's on fire right like it's

Starting point is 01:29:30 yeah so a bunch of videos that were private were made public and all these other types of things happened so restoring our account if they restored our account to you know the minute that it was banned by them then the account would be in a totally messed up state and because there was a bunch of videos that were uploaded but never set to public they were actually um what do you even call it published they were published that day so all these videos at the top of the channel are all these ancient like rough cut not properly edited videos that shouldn't be there yeah at the at the top just garbage footage so it was it was it was an absolute mess. All the descriptions on the entire channel had a crypto thing appended to the top of them.

Starting point is 01:30:13 It was a mess. And they worked with us to try to restore that. That was a very fun process. There's actually some really, really powerful tools in the whatever it's called, content manager thing. I've never even seen them before, but they're very cool. The developer person from YouTube was extremely helpful, prepped a bunch of stuff for us, helped us out, and then ran me through deploying it. They weren't able to do it themselves for some legal reason.

Starting point is 01:30:47 legal reason as far as my brain guessing can confirm uh i'm assuming it's because if they publish something on your behalf they would it's them publishing it yes so there's like issues with that so we had to be the ones that actually did it but they like really extremely helpful in walking us through this is crazy uh because i've been dealing with it and not reading articles about it The amount of coverage there. Oh, yeah. Oh wait. What did I just what is what did I just show? I don't even know I pressed Linus laptop, but my HDMI is unplugged. So I don't know what that was, but hopefully nothing It was nothing good cool. Thanks Dan good to know i mean he'd say that anyway but yeah um okay you know what i'm i'm doing it i'm plugging well is it gonna work just hold on yeah wait all right cool i will wait a second and dan will fix it oh yeah but there's there's there's

Starting point is 01:31:40 tons of it it's crazy okay so Okay, so Lou from Unbox Therapy has 17,000 views on a stark warning after hack. I don't even think that's the only clip he did about it. ReviewTech USA has 73,000 views on a video. SamTime has 18,000. John Hammond, 75,000. Mental Outlaw, 236,000. Mudahar, Mudahar, ooh, sorry.

Starting point is 01:32:06 You know what? Some ordinary gamers, 441,000. Oh, yeah, here's Lou's other video, 132,000. Chris Titus Tech, 56. UFD Tech, 327,000. Like, people were going. UFD Tech was fast. People are going everywhere, like, trying to get more information about what's going on and

Starting point is 01:32:26 like i'm sitting here going okay i guess i probably should have posted some stuff about it the one place i posted was on floatplane oh yeah and i i posted a text up to oh no i guess i post on twitter as well just to say i know so people would stop messaging me this is what i was going to say though about like the the show's got to go on. It's like all the different teams, like, I don't know. I've been out of Linus Media Group for a while. Yeah. And I've been out of office for a while.

Starting point is 01:32:56 Wait, Ludwig has a video? Yeah. Oh, he didn't put my name in the title. I guess I wasn't. He put your face there. I wasn't keyword worthy enough. 1.1 million views. All right. was i gonna say yeah so i've been in my little like you know developer bubble for a while yeah coming back in though watching the machine churn it is very interesting

Starting point is 01:33:19 and like it turns fast the social team is like all over this immediately right that was one of the interesting things to me is like okay yeah we got obliterated but the show's got to go on so social team is like making memes about it yeah that was a big part of my like message from the ceo was the best fu that we can give to the hijackers is to not have any interruption to our business and this man the social team went hard. They went savage in some cases. They went really hard. Some of the memes, though, are great.

Starting point is 01:33:54 And I can only take the tiniest amount of credit for it. The only thing I did is I wrote the caption for the one with me asleep in the chair. I did pretty good there but i got to give james credit not even the social team but you got to give james credit for being on the ball seeing me asleep when he was to call me to set and instead of waking me snapping a pic you can tell that boy has gone to some frat parties yeah am i allowed to share my laptop screen now okay yep cool all right so man these guys these guys were on it oh so and there's so many posts

Starting point is 01:34:33 and that's definitely like what we should have done and these are amazing you sleeping the chair has like almost 64,000 likes when is you 2.8 million yes like this this this runescape one. So funny. So good. Oh man. Like just shout out- okay, this one didn't get the most interaction, but I thought it- this is the one that made me laugh the hardest. That was a Mac address tweet too. Yeah. Yeah, this is so good. Which was like, that's the time to roast, you know? Right? I look really tall here. I definitely like that's that's the time to roast you know right I? Look really tall here. I definitely like that What else we got if we still have jobs today seems like a great day to watch short-circuit that was funny

Starting point is 01:35:15 I don't know if it's still this way, but the forum The forum there's there's like a sidebar on the forum that links to different videos that we have It was all short circuit. It was all just like yeah, okay. It's fixed. It's fixed But I mean when you know that's like pretty much it It turns into just like the the Jake's most recent video from short circuit column, which was just so funny I don't know it was it was even nice like My my group of people was head in the flame the whole time So every once in a while when you come up for air and there's just something that you can laugh at it's funny yeah it's like oh that's nice and then you can get back to it exactly the float plane team for like almost

Starting point is 01:35:57 entirely unrelated reasons which is unfortunate because we genuinely are rock solid the vast vast vast majority of the time. But we're trying to push this really aggressive... And you know what? Let me check really quick. I'm going to potentially announce something. I just want to make sure that we're going. Oh, boy.

Starting point is 01:36:21 We are. Let's send it. We, for a long time, haven't launched a ton feature-wise. There's a lot of reasons for that. But massive new thing is on the way, and it's on the beta site. There's beta.floatplane.com, and there's a lot of big changes with it. A big one is creator sub-channels. This is the main thing that we're talking about is creator sub channels this is like the main the main thing

Starting point is 01:36:45 that we're talking about is creator sub channels um and you can check that out if you are subscribed to linus tech tips this is still in beta so not all the other creators or none of the other creators have uh like set their channels up for this or gone through all that kind of stuff but they will be we'll be working on it but you can you can see all these different you can see we're still getting our processes figured out in terms of uploading. MAC address accidentally uploaded as Linus Tech Tips. We'll get that fixed.

Starting point is 01:37:11 Yeah, there's things going on. Also, we're still kind of figuring our stuff out. So there are still some problems on the beta site. It is a beta site. So, you know, that's kind of par for the course. But it's all broken up into these different sub-channels. So we got a lot of feedback that people didn't like typing in the word exclusive if they wanted to search for all the exclusives on the site.

Starting point is 01:37:33 So that's kind of where this concept comes from, is there's a sub-channel for exclusives. So you just click on that. It has its own branding, all that kind of stuff. It's nice. You can now collapse the sidebar, which we got a bunch of feedback for. The player, not the full player update that we were hoping for like a long time ago But the player does do more stuff you can you can pop it out and then do other things on your computer and have it

Starting point is 01:37:53 Follow you around or it will more aggressively attempt to fill the screen Which is also kind of cool. There's other little updates stuff like that. So that's that showed up There's also tons of other things changing in the back end and the front end and the app and all this kind of stuff all of that was happening right now yeah cool one of the major things that happened was we launched an app update i'm pretty sure it was monday it finished propagating right around when all of this happened and it had a little problem in it, which wouldn't have probably been that bad, but, you know, because of all the other events going on, it was like the world's worst possible timing. So...

Starting point is 01:38:31 AJ and Jonathan and Jaden and Joe and everybody is like trying to put out every fire on the planet. Jaden's got this like whack-a-mole hammer and just going through, bashing every single bug he can possibly find, and everyone else is doing things crazy. It was There's that whole like misery loves company thing and I don't necessarily think this was misery because I had a wonderful time but It's like dumpster fires like dumpster fires Floatplane starts having issues for like realistically the first time in a long time the server has like an SSD go out Oh my god the first time in a long time. The server has like an SSD go out. Oh my God.

Starting point is 01:39:07 Like that's crazy. All the different things that like, this is really like never a problem. And then just all of a sudden it's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. When it rains, it pours, right? Everything possible just going off. It was, it was crazy, but yeah. Did we, did we miss anything?

Starting point is 01:39:23 I mean, we missed one big question that I got from someone, I don't know, like an hour ago. Who edited Naked Linus? Whose job was it to censor? Well, I guess. And the answer is Dennis. Okay, yeah. I was going to say, traditionally, it's Dennis. Traditionally.

Starting point is 01:39:43 Did he? Well, someone asked me, they were like, wow, I can't believe someone had to edit Naked Linus, and I was like, yeah, it wasn't the first time, probably won't be the last. And it's always been Dennis, as far as I know. The reason Dennis has ended up with naked footage of me is not because I sent it to him knowingly,

Starting point is 01:40:01 but because Dennis keeps sneaking into my house and then taking security footage off of my cameras. So occasionally I might be naked in my own damn house. So he's already seen it. Yeah. So realistically, you know, that band-aid's already off. Yeah. But he did say that he has a technique now and he didn't need to see anything more.

Starting point is 01:40:24 And the technique is he blurs the whole screen. Oh, and then like... And then blurs less and less until he gets to, you know, minimal blur edge. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I liked the strawberry. That was tasteful. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:40:40 Yeah. All right. Yeah, what else? I think that's... I think that's... I think that's mostly it but my brain's fried so might have missed some and i i gotta say it was uh it was really incredible waking up this morning seeing um just everyone coming watching the video um people still

Starting point is 01:40:59 subscribing to float plane by the hundreds oh yeah we're gonna pass 40k like on this stream probably shut up yeah we're at we're at 39 932 we have gained 250 float plane subscribers while we've been sitting here yeah there's over 4 000 people watching live um i heard that number a while ago so that might even be different at this point but that's incredible you know what it probably didn't hurt that I was that was about two thirds I think of the exclusive content that we have on floatplane

Starting point is 01:41:35 I think it's like almost 300 or it's 250 or something there's well over 200 exclusive videos on the platform a lot of it's really good yeah we're at the point now where there's so many Floatplane subscribers that we can actually have a team of people who is dedicated to making videos just for them and creating content just for them.

Starting point is 01:41:55 I actually have some, I had some cool thoughts in my sort of chaos brain mode that I was in this morning. One of the things that we're gonna start doing on Floatplane is uploading LMG clips because we're not gonna do it right away away but once we've got it to the point where you can enable and disable notifications per sub channel uh i was that was why we haven't been doing it because i was worried about just spamming people with this extra at one point we were uploading like 10 videos a week to lmg clips i'm like i don't want to uh we don't need to

Starting point is 01:42:22 overwhelm people but now if you can turn it off, well, no problem. We'll just start uploading to LMG Clips. And also, this is hilarious, way back in the day, once upon a time, I pressed Luke, I put a bunch of pressure on him to create a feature for Floatplane called text posts and picture posts, which has gone largely unused at that time. And I was like, hey, we could create a channel for them and then the social team could post all the memes over there so everyone on floatplane could have no reason whatsoever to ever leave floatplane it would be amazing and they could even post like if we had

Starting point is 01:42:55 like two or three versions of it or you know two or three captions we could post you know some of the other ideas that we had because that same feature allows for multiple pieces of content per post yeah so it could stay in one post, just one notification. Oh, it's a good feature. You could see all the different stuff. Don't use it. We did. We did technically your response. I actually thought that was kind of interesting.

Starting point is 01:43:16 Your initial response to everything lighting up and you like the first reach out you mentioned. Sorry. It's been a long bit. Your first reach out you mentioned. Sorry. It's been a long, been a long bit. Your first reach out was on float plane, right? Yes.

Starting point is 01:43:28 And then it was just, no, first I tweeted. I know, I know. Okay. And then your first like longer one was on float plane and it was a text post.

Starting point is 01:43:36 And I was like, wow, this is going to be the most like banger text posts that's ever posted on this platform. Yeah. I don't even remember what I said. Yeah, the beta site's having some issues right now, but, you know, it's a beta,

Starting point is 01:43:49 so if you're having some problems, just go on to the normal site, and it should be okay. Oh, wait, no, I clicked on the stream. I can't even find the text post. I guarantee you that all my guys are super pissed at me right now. Oh, for sending people to the beta site?

Starting point is 01:44:06 Yeah, they were like emergency putting out fires He says every time you say beta.flowplane.com the CPU spikes Thanks, Jonathan Yeah, my bad. I got it. I was all like hyped up on flowplane doing sick, and then I realized I was all hyped up on Flowplane doing sick, and then I realized... Well, we've never loaded it like this, or we've never changed the load on it like this

Starting point is 01:44:30 since the roast. And especially the roast had preparation involved and stuff, right? This was out of nowhere. And the... Oh, no. Apparently, they're totally in. They're like, no, go to beta.flowplane.com.

Starting point is 01:44:43 Okay, sick. Let's go. It's having some issues, but, I mean, again, no go to beta.flowplane.com okay sick let's go um it's having some issues but i mean again it's a beta who cares um but yeah a lot of our problems are actually not related to the sudden load from all the new users it's this like insanely massive update that we're pushing and this this whole beta site thing like you'll notice if you log into the main site then you go to the beta you don't have to log in again yeah that's cool it's sharing back end right so a lot of the update was to back end right so there's things that are affecting both of them right like this is this is we're actually we we can take this amount of users

Starting point is 01:45:19 right it's just actually other unrelated problems that just showed up at the worst possible time in history. Cool. But, I mean, we're working on it. We'll figure it out. All right. They're working on it literally like right now. So, yeah. That's what it is.

Starting point is 01:45:35 We should get cake for crossing 40,000. Cake. How do we get cake? You have a producer. It's 940. I guess grocery stores. There's a cake in my fridge. Is there any way to obtain it?

Starting point is 01:45:49 Like, can you Uber Eats from your own house? Oh, like at home? Can you send an Uber driver? You can do a delivery thing, I think. To your house. Hello. And Yvonne can put a cake in the car. And then can the Uber bring it here?

Starting point is 01:46:01 Is that a thing that can be done? There's Uber package delivery. It's TNT mango fruit cake. Would you eat cake? the uber bring it here is that a thing that can be done there's uber package delivery it's it's tnt mango fruit cake would you eat cake because i know you're kind of you know iffy on the whole calories i had i was i was actually complaining to people about this earlier but have you eaten anything anyway i haven't had i have actually oh okay um i haven't had sugary drinks in like a super super long time oh i had I had two Red Bulls. How was that for you?

Starting point is 01:46:28 I'm like just disappointed. Okay, so you're not gonna have any cake? Probably not. We don't have to bring the cake. Forget the cake. You can have cake. No, no, no. I legitimately will not be tempted. I'm not gonna eat- no, I'm not gonna eat cake in front of you.

Starting point is 01:46:39 I genuinely don't mind. That's rude. You can definitely have cake. I'll eat the cake when you're not around. I don't know if that's better. Because I'm going to eat cake tonight. No, that's great. I'm going to be sitting naked.

Starting point is 01:46:53 Eating cake. Sweet. Dan, you can be there if you want. Hell yeah. Do you guys need food, though? Seriously. You know what I think we should do is get through some more of our tech topics, get through the sponsors and the LTT store stuff that we got to talk about.

Starting point is 01:47:10 Yeah, that's hilarious. Because Dan's fingers are on fire. Well, no, we actually... And we haven't even announced the new items on LTT store yet. Oh, boy. Well, yeah. So we've set some records. The merch message server exploded.

Starting point is 01:47:28 So Conrad and I have been dealing with that. The backlog was about 200 for a little while there. I would like to apologize to everyone. I have read every single one of your merch messages. The time remaining in the queue is an hour and 10 minutes for them all to be displayed down the bottom of the screen. There's currently 343 in the queue is an hour and 10 minutes for them all to be displayed down the bottom of the screen. There's currently 343 in the queue. We have had over 700 and have been live for just under two hours now. We are not going to get to them all today. Thank you for your support in advance.

Starting point is 01:47:59 We'll do what we can. It's the shirt, which I completely forgot about. Okay. Because Conrad made this cool feature in the Merch Messages dashboard, which tracks the most popular item of the night, and it's the shirt. Right. That makes sense. That makes total sense. I haven't even seen it.

Starting point is 01:48:20 Have you seen it? I haven't seen it yet. Would you guys like to see it? I'd like to see it, but we're going to do our sponsors first. Okay, okay, okay. All right, all right, all right. Was Dennis involved? Dennis is involved.

Starting point is 01:48:31 Oh, bloody hell. Do you not feel like I've gone through enough today, Badan? Well, I mean, it put me in a tough position, too, because normally I do these on Thursdays. And I was... Anytime anyone would ask him to do anything yesterday, I would just be like, no. Yeah, I think Adam came by and was like, how are you guys doing? I went, don't talk to us today.

Starting point is 01:48:59 I apologized to him later. I was very short. Yeah, so normally I do that on Thursday. And it was getting near the end of the day. And Sarah sends me a message on Teams. Yeah. Hey, Linus and Nick have asked me to do a stream tomorrow at 10. And I think I said, is this a joke, lol?

Starting point is 01:49:21 I did not ask for the stream. I think I asked for some kind of commemorative I was there for the hack shirt. No, no. I'm designing the shirt live on stream. So I'm going to be there for another eight hours at 9 p.m. And then I have to be back here for nine. And then we did a five-hour stream.

Starting point is 01:49:43 So that stream finished about 3 p.m. today. And then at 3 p.m. today, I had to do the entire 30 individual video integrations with layered things. I had to set up that call you had with those lovely people from DP Review and implement the new merch things that Conrad wrote this week.

Starting point is 01:50:06 Man, Dan, you must be so tired. I think the kindest thing that I can do is to make it so we don't have to look at you being so tired like this. I love working here. Should we do these integrations? Everybody's worked really hard on them, let's make some more money. Let's do it! Let's go! Oh my goodness, My face hurts. This is Wanshow unhinged. You got your script and things? I mean, I don't have anything. Oh, I haven't even looked at the doc in over an hour. Okay, I've got it. I've got it. Okay, read the things. I have anything. It's in the doc. I haven't even looked at the doc in over an hour. Okay, I've got it.

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Starting point is 01:53:12 Spoon's tasty offerings. Build your own variety box at lmg.gg slash magicspoon and use code WAN for $5 off. Okay. You did it. Yeah, I did it. How many topics? Oh, wow. There's like no topics today, but that probably makes sense. I think we need to...

Starting point is 01:53:26 Oh, yeah, it's going to be a long show anyways. I think we need to look at the shirt, though. Okay. I'm just, like, too curious. Are you guys ready to see the shirt? I kind of have to pee. Is it because I need to see the shirt? Or...

Starting point is 01:53:39 Okay, all right. We're going to be here all night, so go pee. You know what? Yeah, yeah, I'm going to do that. Do you want to send me a... Is there merch messages that I can answer, Dan? Oh, yeah. Why don't you talk about the bug that allows users to uncensor images? Sure, yeah.

Starting point is 01:53:53 Do a tech topic. Not with AI, okay? This isn't like AI magically reconstructing the image somehow. This is actually terrible. Pencils. Where is it? Here it is. Yeah. So this was posted by a bunch of places. This was all over the Twitters. It was apparently posted by 9to5Google. It was posted by The Verge.

Starting point is 01:54:11 Google's March security update fixed a bug in the pixel markup tool that allowed partial recovery of information that had been cropped or censored from a screenshot. This typically resulted when an image was saved in the tool, edited, and then the new version was saved in the same file location as the original. The edited file is typically smaller than the original, meaning that it wouldn't save over the entirety of the original information. That excess information was then retained instead of being deleted from the file location it's worded yeah it's fine the this revelation prompted researchers to check other similar tools i'm happy this is in the notes because i wasn't i wasn't sure because this was really interesting uh microsoft appears to have made an almost identical mistake which the the the same vulnerability is able to be exploited on it to

Starting point is 01:55:06 be to be clear so it's like the same thing in both the windows 11 snipping tool and windows 10 snip and sketch i believe there was also another thing as well this is definitely still kind of like a evolving topic so look into the amount of different devices and services if you're interested. Luckily, many online services reprocess uploaded images, absolutely, because they want to save data, rendering this information unrecoverable. But not all of them do. Discord, for example, only started reprocessing uploaded images in January of this year. Images uploaded and sent prior to said patches may still carry this vulnerability. Pretty crazy. Discussion question. This is a serious problem, but it appears to happen in extremely specific circumstances. How worried should the average person be? I mean, if you use snipping tool, snipping tool is the most interesting one to me, personally,

Starting point is 01:56:03 because of how i use devices i'm not sure if that's the same for how other people use devices but how i use devices snipping tool um there's a there's a lot of information that could potentially be there um and how this does recover things yeah maybe you won't see all of it but being able to see any amount of it is is pretty concerning i mean and especially because snipping Tool is not a tool like, oh man, what's that one that I like that you can get on Nineite? I can't remember right now, but there's screenshotting tools that are inherently kind of less secure because by default they upload to image sharing sites like Imgur or whatever. But Snipping Tool, you kind of think of as... The more secure option.

Starting point is 01:56:47 Yeah, everything happening locally on your machine. And once you've edited it in any way and sent it out, that's all they've got, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's spooky. There's also like, there's this whole security concept. I don't remember what it's called. I didn't prep for this.

Starting point is 01:57:03 But it's happening right now with certain bits of data that people think will be able to be cracked into using quantum computers It's happening with big governments and stuff where they're trying to harvest a bunch of stuff that they can't break into right now But they're storing it so they can break into it later. This is a whole concept I don't remember what it's called, but there's a name for it And this feels like an almost potentially unintentional version of that right because upon hearing of this vulnerability bad actors could just go back through conversations or look at things that were maybe shared with maybe communities or whatever and try to see me oh maybe i can extract something all that information is already out there.

Starting point is 01:57:45 It's going to take the same amount of time for you to go back through everything you've shared as it is for them to go back. So they might find something before you do. That's the concern to me, is this is now a vulnerability for things that have been sent already. The good news for me anyway,

Starting point is 01:58:03 is that's not how i use it um so yeah i don't really crop images on my phone yeah my my trick is to just make sure that there was nothing bad there in the first place so i don't know yeah like something that i i know a bunch of people do but like if you need to screenshot a conversation to send it someone but you don't want the previous messages to come in, just open the keyboard and it shoves a bunch of the messages up. So it'll get some stuff off screen and then screenshot it that way. But yeah, I don't know. Oh, holy crap. I didn't even see this.

Starting point is 01:58:37 Intel founder Gordon Moore died earlier today at the age of 94. Whoa. Oh, wow. earlier today at the age of 94. whoa oh wow one of the traitorous eight the programmers who left shockley semiconductor in 1957 to launch the company that would eventually become intel he's also the namesake of moore's law yeah obviously uh the rule of thumb that the number of components in an integrated circuit would double roughly every two years he only left the company in 1997 wow so he was there for 40 years absolutely incredible that's pretty wild i'm gonna get it in it's gonna be fast oh i'm doing it anyways okay they're big it big. It's important. All right. It's not going to take that long.

Starting point is 01:59:27 There's chat GPT updates. Okay. Okay. Plugins. It's actually huge. Chat GPT is integrated plugins. Have I had time to mess with this? No.

Starting point is 01:59:38 I was kind of dealing with some stuff. Okay. So my information on this is not going to be as high quality as it normally is. I'm just telling you it exists. There's some really crazy things already. The first thing I noticed was immediately on the plugin list, so they were already working on this, was Wolfram Alpha. Do you know what Wolfram Alpha is?

Starting point is 01:59:58 It's like you put in crazy complex equations and it just solves it for you. Oh, okay. You know what's interesting about ChatGPT? It's always sucked at math. No way. They have a plug-in for this thing that's like incredibly amazing at math. So now I can do math. And now you can talk to Wolfram Alpha. I feel like I'm watching the Star Wars sequel trilogy.

Starting point is 02:00:17 They fly now. Oh, yeah. Except this time it couldn't already do it and not everyone knew that which is crazy sorry i'm still salty about star wars um but but yeah so wolfram alpha had a kind of a a problem if you want to call it this where it doesn't understand like someone talking to it you know right you have to do math with it and chat tpt had a problem where it can't really do math very well you push those two together and that's crazy because now you can ask in human language conversational language how to solve math problems could introduce very very complex math problems

Starting point is 02:00:58 that wolfram alpha can then do for it and respond back in a conversational way, which is really interesting. Also, it's on the internet now. And it can do some pretty crazy stuff. Because, hey, it has plugins. It's connected with Zapier. The, like, automations and connect different accounts thing. So people have connected, like, ChatGPT to their email and had it like read emails for them and do things with them and stuff and like download videos and edit them don't know how much storage it has there's some like actually really crazy stuff going on i've had zero time to touch it

Starting point is 02:01:39 zero time okay so yeah it's it's another one of them weeks I don't know when this is gonna stop hey I've got some big news for you too did it just pass 40 flow plane now has 40,000 106 subscribers for LTT wild that's actually insane there will be cake at some point okay I will do a 40,000 cake. I think I can, yeah. Dan, can you email Vance and ask Vance to arrange cake for next week, please? The week I'm not here? Oh, not next week then. Later. No, later.

Starting point is 02:02:14 I'll have it done for Monday. No, no, no. Do it later. Do it when you slept. I wish all the floatplane team was here, but so many of them are remote. I know. We can get them cake, too. Uber eats them cake. Yeah. Yeah, ask if Vance can arrange that.

Starting point is 02:02:28 Everyone should get cake. I do. Let them eat cake. Let them eat cake. I do have Colton's credit card, so I will just. Nice. Put it on Colton's credit card. Oh, I forgot.

Starting point is 02:02:38 Darn it. When we went through the play-by-play, I was going to say, I don't want to name who it was, but in this this case let's just use the name colton yeah and just like roast him indirectly but i forgot i had some people that were actually upset with me for outing who it was you know saying that that was a really not cool you know ceo move no no it was a joke it was a joke it wasn wasn't Colton. He actually addresses that in the float plane exclusive that went up today of staff reacting to hack memes. So Colton's in that one. And to be clear, I want to just do a really quick address for this.

Starting point is 02:03:16 It is not that person's fault. There's a lot of things that, oh no, you talked about this in the video. Stuff should roll up. Yeah, it should. So I guess that's already covered. That's the way it goes. of things that uh oh no you talked about this in the video stuff should roll up yeah yeah okay so i guess that's already covered that's the way it goes there's things we haven't had enough time and like the the infrastructure hire that i want to bring on isn't here yet i had interviews this week i had some earlier this week that went well enough and then i had some on thursday and friday scheduled those didn't go as well those got, and we moved those to next week. You know what's really funny is Yvonne was also doing interviews this week for accounting

Starting point is 02:03:49 positions, and she fell asleep in one of them, which I think is hilarious. I know that when she's not rested, she just... Yeah. It's amazing. It's like a superpower for her, because we used to commute to university together on transit. And she would not only usually be asleep within two stops on the train, like two. And we got on at King George. So that first one is really short.

Starting point is 02:04:20 It's from King George to Central City. Almost immediate. Yeah. So she would pass out within two stops. But once we would arrive, she would just wake up and keep going about it. So she can drift in and out of sleep like a narcoleptic. Like it's incredible. I think that's the word for it, right?

Starting point is 02:04:38 People who just like fall asleep. I think so. I don't know. Yeah. So anyway, she was telling me she fell asleep in one of her interviews. And I was like, oh my goodness well did they did they like understand the situation because she was saying like i fell asleep i want to like email them and apologize and i'm like well i mean did they understand the situation she's like no i didn't tell them and they didn't know

Starting point is 02:04:55 meanwhile luke's going yeah i i tried to reschedule my interviews and they're like yeah we know it's all good yeah that was really funny The difference in these spaces and how people applying for that kind of a position Are just jacked in you know they're dead they're dialed in what's going on here I want to post a clarification because a bunch of people have been like I jumped on chat GPT And I asked at math stuff and it failed you have to be on a paid plan You have to have chat GPT plus because you need to be using gpt4 and you have to be in the the i don't know if this is this is the part where like i don't know enough that's going on i know it's a beta um but i don't know if everyone's in or not and you have to enable the plug-in for wolfram alpha it doesn't just like do that normally

Starting point is 02:05:40 there's a there's a collection of plugins and you have to you have to enable the plugin it's a wait list okay yeah so not everyone can use it but it's doing these things you can look it up i don't have enough information go go to other more fleshed out resources kyle from creator warehouse is freaking out in the chat or sending a message in the chat you guys forgot to update the creator warehouse stuff so let's go! What Creator? What? Huh? All the merch stuff that we're supposed to talk about this week. That is all over the table in front of us. And the shirt! And the shirt! There's so many things! We didn't do the shirt yet! Do you guys wanna see the shirt?

Starting point is 02:06:14 Yes! I wanna see the bloody shirt! Alright, let's have a look at the bloody shirt. Here we go! Where do I see it? I am doing this. It's a surprise. All three people doing this show are like extremely sleep deprived. I had a lunch break today. I worked through my lunch.

Starting point is 02:06:33 Okay, you're not supposed to do that. What? Let me just stop time. All right. Anyway, here's the shard. Are you guys ready? Yeah, so wait, this is on the store Why don't we just look at it on the store? No? Okay, okay, okay. No no no look at all. I didn't know I didn't see okay. I'm just the shirt Is it gonna change colors? Yeah? Oh perfect? I was gonna say it should be like gone efficient. Oh, that's so cool

Starting point is 02:07:00 Here's a bigger version That's fantastic. I saw a preview of this earlier so oh there's a float plate let's go and if you look on the the bottom left uh there's a five foot one on the dock and i love his tattoo he's got a 2fa tattoo love 2fa fantastic. A little basket of cookies. Is the hat black? Well, we were considering putting a strawberry on the hat. Ah, yes, okay. I think Floatplane's idea as well. Yeah, so this was a Floatplane exclusive that was live for five hours straight today.

Starting point is 02:07:38 It's a basket of cookies. Basket of cookies, yeah. I just put that together. I was like, are those mushrooms? Getting cookies. Wow, there's like so many cool elements to this design i love it yeah normally i at least um look at designs before we put them on sale you know being the ceo and approving you know especially if it's going to be poking fun at ourselves i kind of go yeah i'd probably be good if i get a chance to have a look at this a little bit but i don't think i would have had a single piece of feedback for this hold on that's

Starting point is 02:08:09 awesome oh okay put it on me give me a second here i don't think i can live key the color but there you go gone fishing on you there you go yeah that's actually that's that's not bad here wait wait wait there. We go. That's not bad. There. We go. Yeah, there's your shirt. That's what Live models okay, okay, and these are all on the new high quality LTT blanks the next thing there are actually a few of these updates 64 ounce water bottles the chungus is chung I 64-ounce water bottles. The Chunguses. Chung-Guy? I like Chung-Guy.

Starting point is 02:08:46 Chung-Guy. The Chung-Guy are back in stock. These things are absolutely enormous. This is like Luke's favorite now that he has one. I use it literally every day. Yeah. Good stuff. These are back in stock on the site, and I believe every color. Certainly most of the colors.

Starting point is 02:09:02 Oh, they're apparently new colors. Hey, sick. All right. Those are back. And we have a new underwear print for men. colors certainly most of the colors um oh they're apparently new colors hey sick all right those are back and we have a new underwear print for men and new women's underwear uh including i don't know if a thing exists someone is into it uh including a couple's photo shoot that yvonne and i got to do together which was actually pretty fun uh so the the new colorway for the men's underwear oh where the bloody heck is the underwear um uh uh where's that man okay this can't be that hard to find right okay yes a lot of products now or wait are these the old color So the underwear got split out into more than one listing. Hmm.

Starting point is 02:09:47 Okay. I will... Conrad's going to feel so vindicated. I will find it. Underwear three pack. Oh, it's the confetti three pack. Oh, okay. Okay.

Starting point is 02:09:58 Okay. All right. It just shows both. So here it is. And so we launched a new colorway for the men's and we launched women's underwear because the whole idea was we could do matching his and hers underwear. Cool, right? Okay, but I am actually confused. Okay, so then there's four pieces for the women. There's the scoop. No, no, no. Okay, but the three-pack, Yvonne's in it.

Starting point is 02:10:26 Yeah. But it's just a guy one. Is that right? Yes. Because she's in it and wearing the same style, but this listing is... Oh, I see what you mean. It could look like a three-pack. Okay, we will work on the clarity of that.

Starting point is 02:10:40 This is a three-pack of men's underwear underwear and then this is the matching women's sets so there's the triangle bralette in three two two different styles and then there's the boy short um the bikini something i don't really understand like women's undergarments but the point is that there's definitely undergarments and they they're definitely matching his and hers, and it was a lot of fun. The second photo on the underwear three-pack confetti prism slash black is hilarious. I just love that.

Starting point is 02:11:17 That's so funny. The expressions and everything, it's just great. We had a lot of fun with this. It's just it's great. We had a lot of fun with this I Love the photo shoots that we do because there's so many companies where you go to there you go to their brand photos It's just like okay They have that stock photo that they changed the logo on the shirt of or whatever and then ours like they just Everybody just like horses around which is great. I think it's great. Well, you gotta put in the work, man. Yeah, and it's more like interesting and you actually get to see people like wearing them and trying them out instead of just like this stock photo, which is clearly not that exact product.

Starting point is 02:11:55 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it sucks. Sucks. It's dumb. Especially because it's like not that much work. Like it is. We have a great team. They do an amazing job. Poor Maria, you know? We talk about poor Dennis having to censor Naked Linus.

Starting point is 02:12:18 You know, Maria has to hang around with me in my underwear, like, taking pictures of me, and it's like... Okay. Yeah, like, I don't know what to tell you technically it was in the job description so like I guess this is what we're doing now I feel awkward about it yeah I I nothing against Maria I liked doing underwear shoots with Hoffman better just because like you know yeah familiarity stuff like that we're both dudes it's like it's like this is this is very off topic but doing jujitsu for the first time is very similar yeah some of the you know some of the yeah positions you gotta get in sometimes it's like

Starting point is 02:12:57 this is right yeah a lot of junk rubbing yeah yeah but then after you've you know sure yeah it's like okay everyone just you're very focused on other things and it actually genuinely doesn't matter and you just you just do jujitsu and it's fine but the very first time it's like oh and credit to maria you know total professional very professional yeah yeah total professional definitely you know put me at ease but it that's good just like kind of it... It's a funny thing. It's a moment. Even though I wasn't showing any more skin than I would in a bathing suit. It feels way more revealing. Just like undoing my belt in front of an employee.

Starting point is 02:13:34 Yeah, it's a moment. You know, right? And like I didn't, right? Actually, no, I have. Okay, like in Creator Warehouse, like merch meetings. Like when I'm... Okay, okay. A time I had to undo my belt in front of an employee, even though I didn. Okay, like in Creator Warehouse, like merch meetings. Like when I'm, okay, okay. A time I had to undo my belt in front of an employee,

Starting point is 02:13:48 even though I didn't during the underwear shoot. I changed outside and then I just came into my underwear, which was also walking into a room and like an employee's there. It's all weird. You do what you can to make it less weird. But a time I did have to undo my belt in front of someone was because we were working on a belt. And so I was with Bridget, Alameda, and Nick,

Starting point is 02:14:10 and I'm undoing my belt in front of them so that I can take it off and show them the issues I was having. It was a little thick, and I was like, okay, yeah, I can't really thread it through here. But it's a really, it's not a thing I do. You always only ever do either alone or an extremely selective company yes then doing with other people no matter how innocent is just weird

Starting point is 02:14:36 because your brain's like this is different yes yeah like i shouldn't be doing this yeah because the things that come after this definitely shouldn't be done. Because when do you take off your belt? When you're going to take off your pants. When you're going to have a shower. When you're going to be banging or whatever. Right? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:14:59 Anywho. This may be the last WAN. I am determined to cancel myself, have someone else cancel me, someone's gotta do it, this man must be stopped! That tweet from the social team about like, the second time in a month where everyone's wondering if they're gonna still have a job was so funny. Pretty on the nose social team. I was gonna say too, how do we follow this up? Wancho's just been on fire. That was another pretty early reaction that I had when the channel got hacked.

Starting point is 02:15:33 I was like, Wancho's going to be sick. There's no way Wancho isn't going to be great. It's like, what do we do next week? We need something crazy to happen. No, I really don't. I could actually use a break. How about we just have a... We'll think of something. Can we do the night stream?

Starting point is 02:15:46 With the lights on? Yeah, when you're not gonna be here- Oh. No, I'm no longer allowed to ever miss a WAN show. Wait, are you joining the streak? I am joining the streak. Dan's joining the streak?! Officially. It's part of my quarterly goal that there was no WAN shows. I got rid of the bugs that were in here for ten years, and now I'm gonna die before there's

Starting point is 02:16:07 another issue. No way. So hold on a second. Which one of us is gonna break the streak then? I, so... Is there a pool already that I just don't know about? I don't know of any. I know, like, I have stuff coming up that is going to be...

Starting point is 02:16:24 I'm going to be out of country on Fridays, but I'm, like, I have stuff coming up that is going to be, I'm going to be out of country on Fridays. But I'm just like, I called in from France. I called in from Greece. I called in from Hawaii. This doesn't mean it has to end. I was talking to some people about this, too. I can technically do this job remotely. Remote producing.

Starting point is 02:16:40 Shut up. So you guys would be here, and I can do all this remotely, right? Yeah. So, yeah, there's no more missing. The show must go on. Must go on. Alright. Okay. Yes, we're gonna do it. I have another thing first.

Starting point is 02:16:57 Okay. This is probably the last call for the CPU in a CPU promotion that we're doing. We've got two pillows on LTT store that are on wild and crazy promo right now. So the team red pillow, this one right here in the 50 by 50 centimeter size has a chance. I believe it's one in 23, one in 23 chance don't quote me

Starting point is 02:17:28 on that um we'll have the full details on the product page maybe i hope it's on the product page i will check the product page yes here it is uh one in a three and 25 chance so whatever that works out to 12 and 100 uh one in 23 where did i get that from so three out of 25 of the couch ripper pillow in this size the biggest size of both and the team red pillow will have a chance of containing an actual cpu the value of the cpu will be between 161 dollars and 18 cents and 698 dollars and 99 cents purchase necessary. All the details are on the product page. But yes, my friends, you can buy a pillow

Starting point is 02:18:08 and get an actual CPU in your order and the odds of receiving one are not some infinitely small chance. It is three in 25 to get an actual CPU in your order. Not valid in Quebec. That's the only stipulation because they are like super anal about giveaways and stuff over there. I don't know what their problem is.

Starting point is 02:18:31 They just don't want the Québécois to have anything nice. They do have some pretty nice consumer protections over there. I will give them that. They have like a bureau that takes care of stuff that the BC government just doesn't seem to care about at all. All right. What else we got? Right. We are, oh, yes, this is important.

Starting point is 02:18:48 Okay. Luke, I need you to play hat roulette with me. Hat roulette. Okay. Okay. So I'm going to, I'm going to go like this. I have two seemingly identical hats, identical plain black hats. Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. Okay. Now now tell me tell me which one you want the left one uh my left or your left

Starting point is 02:19:13 thank you for that okay all right we are each going to put on our hats all right dan uh can i invite you up here to be our lovely Assistant The adjustment mechanism is a little bit Okay you figured it out really quickly Fine cool Okay we are both wearing hats One is waterproof

Starting point is 02:19:40 One is not Okay alright okay Okay um No not there One is waterproof, one is not. Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. No, not there. Okay. Oh, I misunderstood. So, okay. I guess what I'll do is I'll kind of go this way so that the excess just kind of pours on the floor.

Starting point is 02:19:57 So I don't have to be wet for the next two hours everywhere except my head. Okay. Hit me. Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, you got you gotta i have to clean this up you're gonna have to pour some water no no it'll evaporate it's fine okay all right uh okay okay so that's gonna either soak through or yours will wait did you only pour on the brim i got some on the top too oh oh okay i might have the waterproof one then let's see how Luke does It looks like it hey, hey you're rubbing the water in oh

Starting point is 02:20:39 No, no, yeah, that one's not. Oh, why oh, it's not. Oh, yeah, definitely not Okay, that is incredible not. Oh, why? Oh, it's not. Oh, yeah, definitely not. Okay. That is incredible. Look at that. Whoa. It's beat it up. Okay. I don't know how well they can see that, but it's beat it up on the brim.

Starting point is 02:20:55 Here is what we... No, I'm good. Thanks, Dan. Here is what we need to talk to you guys about. We are working on a new hat offering. Some of this stuff is going to be the same regardless so no smarty so there's absolutely no pressure points on your head super comfortable inner band material this adjustment mechanism can be a little tricky to figure out the first time

Starting point is 02:21:20 but is designed mostly to ensure that there's no no pressure point if you wear it backwards forwards whatever It's a really comfortable hat But what we're trying to figure out is Is it like worth it to people for it to be water resistant? Yeah, so do you mind creating a poll in the floatplane chat? I want to give you guys some idea This is it's a really it's it's a good it's a high-end hat it's a really nice hat but it's either going to be a 20 hat which from my point of view is already pretty expensive for something that you can get for free at trade shows uh but it'll be an ltt hat you know

Starting point is 02:21:57 we'll make it ltt or you know whatever and it'll probably be around 20 bucks if we do the ltt hat no you were just talking about how it's a nicer hat though it's not something you get at trade shows no i just i just mean like there's a certain amount that i'm willing to pay for something like a travel power adapter if i can get one for free then it needs to either be an amazing one or it needs to not cost that much more i got you yeah yeah so so this one is really great really comfortable we're gonna do a couple different sizes so one that's kind of small to medium one that's kind of large to excel kind of thing because nick light tried this on and was

Starting point is 02:22:35 like yeah it's too small it's just too shallow it like it looked hilarious it looked like he was wearing a yarmulke like it's the guy i didn't realize how big his head was he's a big head yeah well him bald his head still looks kind of big oh that makes sense uh anyway um that one because of the cost of that material because that's not just a spray on treatment that goes away oh because of the cost of that material it would be closer to 40 bucks. Oh, so that would be like LTT hat Pro so this is LTT hat which is already a good hat and that's LTT hat Pro which is I Mean functionally identical to LTT hat is it hydrophobic it yes, okay? Yeah, but it is but it is water repelling

Starting point is 02:23:22 But it is water repelling. Yeah. So which one? Because we don't, there's going to be a minimum order quantity involved in the fabric order, no matter what we do. And we don't necessarily want to bring in like 20,000 hats. So we're kind of hoping to settle on one. If you guys can let us know, what do you want to see?

Starting point is 02:23:49 So I'm asking right now, which one do you think we should launch? And saying $20 hat or $40 hydrophobic hat. Cool? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we'll have a look at what Floatplane Chat wants. Or what Floatplane Chat wants.

Starting point is 02:23:57 And we'll go from there. I know there was a poll issue earlier. So we'll see if it goes. Okay. It looks like it went. It looks like it went. Okay. I'll check in on the results in a little bit. Personally, can I throw my hat in the ring, as it were?

Starting point is 02:24:09 You are going to influence the vote, Luke. You can't just influence it right away. Okay, no. But I think there's a good point here. Actually, I forbid it. Okay. All right. No, I can't forbid it.

Starting point is 02:24:19 Just do whatever you want to do. Okay, so. He was going to do it anyway. With your argument for you can get this at a trade show So I'm gonna forget for the third week in a row now because I didn't do it With your argument of like there's there's there's ways to you know get free hats in my opinion the like Special hydrophobic one makes more sense if you're going to buy a hat anyways personally, okay? The poll is apparently broken.

Starting point is 02:24:45 Oh, wait. Some people were able to vote. People are getting votes in. Okay. Wow. The overwhelming majority, I think we've seen enough. Four to two, or four to one, the hydrophobic hat is winning. Don't bother with the $20 hat, says the people. Well, I think we've got our answer then.

Starting point is 02:25:01 See you later, LTT hat. Hello, LTT hat Pro. Winner! It looks the same. It looks identical. I was really trying to like, eye him up to see like, what is he getting at here? And I was like, I'm pretty sure that's the same thing. Yeah. Okay, all right. It looks like we're doing the hydrophobic hat. Sweet. Cool. Yeah, it's a super cool material. I really like it. It feels like, it feels totally normal too. It feels exactly the same as the other one. I can't tell them apart.

Starting point is 02:25:26 Yeah. It's interesting. But it's hydrophobic. Yeah. Alright. Finally this. Dan, do you mind manning the Luke cam? This is cool. Do we have any things that fit? Oh, I have a thing that fits in that. Why don't you try and figure out what it is while I go get

Starting point is 02:25:42 a thing that goes in it? What the bag is? Honestly, I've been trying to figure out what it is while I go get a thing that goes in it? What the bag is? Honestly, I've been trying to figure this out for a while. It has a water bottle. Water botter? Water botter. It has a water bottle holder on the side, which is kind of cool because it's like quick release. You just pull this straight.

Starting point is 02:26:01 I've never seen this before, so I'm showing off. Or I've never been like briefed on this. So I'm just sending it so i'm sorry whoever designed this if i say something that's dumb or wrong um but there's like there's these little elastic things that hold the bottle in place uh there's one on the bottom here which you can see right there yeah whenever you're ready a little bottle there that has a string on the bottom so you could just move that out of the way and like drop it out. And then there's also this string that goes over there, elastic or whatever, that goes over top. So you could move that out of the way and then pull it out.

Starting point is 02:26:32 I think that's sweet because I like the idea of water bottles that are stored externally in bags. Even though ours, you know, I've never had mine leak. But like, it's nice to have water bottles stored externally regardless. Okay, but what about, what is the bag for what is it for it to me? I immediately jumped to like switch or steam deck okay, but I don't know oh, hey I think I was on it okay, so I actually haven't tested any of these devices in it personally Why don't we start with the steam deck since that's obviously the most popular gaming PC handheld? Yeah, there you go Dan. Yeah, Luke, you're kind of holding it where Dan can't see it.

Starting point is 02:27:13 Nice. Nice. You're doing a great job. Performing at maximum capacity. Done. Okay, so the idea, I'm gonna go back to the wide cam for a second here, Dan. I don't know how well they can hear me when I'm far away from my mic. Speak up a little bit more. Speak up a bit more. This is like a gamer satchel pouch? Yeah. So it's a gamer kind of day pack. It's kind of, I don't know.

Starting point is 02:27:39 It's like, it's somewhere, it's kind of like a messenger bag, but you don't have a laptop when you need to stay hydrated and also play video games yeah which is great it's got a little bit of it's got a little bit of extra space for you know some other stuff you could put some sd cards or you know like a few little things battery pack but it mostly is a carrying case for your game console that is intended to be worn as kind of like a I think Matthew called it a crossbody bag so it goes kind of like that oh if you go to Luke cam oh I see we're making it work guys and then the intended to be worn kind of like this and then

Starting point is 02:28:25 the idea is that you kind of bring it around you can get your at your water bottle you can get it whatever um then you just kind of put it here uh this is really cool hold on let me see if i can oh so it slides apart and then just goes together magnetically. But it's super secure. Oh, okay, so you can put it right in because it's a magnet, but then pulling directly against it, the magnetic force is so strong that you have to slide it. That's really, that's kind of neat.

Starting point is 02:28:57 It's not magnetic. Oh, what? They're super cool. They're from Fidlock. That's neat. I just got food. Okay. So back to the wide cam then. Basically

Starting point is 02:29:12 what we want to know actually I think there were notes. We want community feedback. Would you want something that's just What was that? Was that the Steam deck? Would you want something that's just... Hmm... What was that? Was that the Steam Deck?

Starting point is 02:29:28 No... That was a 1x player. Oh! Uh... It's like a really good one. Uh... It landed on carpet. Pretty, pretty like thick carpet. Yeah, and then it also hit the leg of the table, which is made of metal.

Starting point is 02:29:40 Oh! Face down. Uh, it seems okay. Anyway... Uh... What would you be more interested in? Something that's mostly just the size of a Steam Deck? Something a little bigger that's more like messenger

Starting point is 02:29:55 bag, like laptop bag sized but has a spot for a Steam Deck? It's hard to get this right because one that's big enough for a Steam Deck is comically large for a Nintendo Switch, which has got an install base many, many times

Starting point is 02:30:11 larger than the Steam Deck. So we're already looking at it going, would we have to do two of them, like in two different sizes? That's extra product development, it's higher minimum order quantities. Is this something that you guys are interested in at all? Maybe, is there I don't want to do another poll right now yeah how are we planning to take yeah we're not gonna do

Starting point is 02:30:31 another poll but how are we planning to take feedback on this I don't know what the plan was think about it for a week yeah think about it for a week and we'll create a forum thread or we'll chat about it next week. I feel like more information, I think the forum thread's a good idea because I feel like more feedback other than just a voting poll is actually a pretty good idea. Oh, not a voting poll. Yeah, I want people to tell us what they want

Starting point is 02:30:58 because we've been sitting and kind of going back and forth. We know we need to improve the water bottle holder. We don't want it to be like this. It's not going to be big enough for the 40 ounce. It's going to, it's, this is not meant for, it is for the 21 ounce and similar.

Starting point is 02:31:12 Like it'll be a little bit adjustable. It's not like we're going to make you locked into our stupid water bottle or whatever. And it's not a stupid water. It's a good water bottle, but it's stupid to make you locked into just one, but it's not going to like fabric cup to the bottom Yeah

Starting point is 02:31:25 It's just it's a weight issue because we like the idea of it being quick and easy to pop off and not wobbling around too Much, but we don't like the idea and and the big ones just too heavy It just doesn't make sense for a bag this size. Do you guys want it to accommodate more? Do you want it to be even slimmer basically to steam deck nothing else? Do you want it to accommodate more? Do you want it to be even slimmer? Basically just Steam Deck, nothing else. Um, yeah, just, you know, are you interested? That's kind of where we're at. Oh no, the Merch Messages server has crashed. The last 400 are lost forever, but we'll be fine going forward, says Conrad. So, before I got up to man that camera, we had over 1,200.

Starting point is 02:32:09 I see. Oh, yeah, they're gone. Ah, okay. Silver lining, there are still lots for us to read, but none of the curation.

Starting point is 02:32:22 Yeah. Oh. Oh, no. read but none of the curation yeah oh no oh I'm so sorry you guys yeah um oh I'm sorry guys well yeah um we will

Starting point is 02:32:39 still try to find some to uh I did I wrote one down you wrote one down okay that's all i got that's good all right we have one okay oh i'm uh i don't even really know what to say that just that's really unfortunate and i apologize okay uh shoot should we do a topic yes oh i'm sorry Okay. Shoot. Should we do a topic? Yes. Oh, I'm sorry, guys.

Starting point is 02:33:16 Is there any way for us to work around anything? I doubt it, but I'm looking into it. Okay. All right. Okay. In that case, I will do a quick topic here while we figure out if we can get anything back. Yeah, everything's just been on fire this week. You guys, we are,

Starting point is 02:33:27 if it helps at all, we are trying. Right, Dan, you're going to step out for a bit. Okay. Yeah. Is this your lunch?

Starting point is 02:33:43 Oh, okay. All right. Dan's going going to talk to Conrad. Ah. Oh, okay. All right, Dan's going to go talk to Conrad. Yeah, do what you got to do. Okay, I guess Luke's helping me host the show still then. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, isn't it great? You know, on the one hand, you know, you hire a bunch of people,

Starting point is 02:33:56 and you've got all this, like, overhead and stress, and, you know, you need an HR team to manage it or whatever. But on the other hand, you're all like, okay, something needs to be done. Okay, go do it, and then you can do your thing, and then we're both doing our things and like it's all happening in parallel Yeah, wow the parallelization is very interesting to witness Okay, the Swiss Department of Defense Cites the WAN show I feel like I've talked a lot today Can you walk me through this? I haven't looked at this yet at all. I haven't read it other than the headline Yeah, I would I I like not externally, but I definitely internally cheered when I saw this.

Starting point is 02:34:30 The Cybersecurity Research Arm of the Swiss Department of Defense has released an assessment of the cyber defense implications of large language models. of large language models. The main threats outlined include use in spying, influence operations, vulnerabilities, injection, control hijacking and phishing attacks, which are all that's an acute good observation. Information leaks both in intentional and accidental in part due to deeper web indexing, extracting sensitive information. Also, I'll add in here, potentially because, you know, if people in the Swiss government or in Swiss defense start using these systems to aid them in their jobs and then give them information that they shouldn't, that would be bad. This type of stuff has 100% happened at a huge variety of companies already. Manipulation and dissemination of misinformation absolutely this is already a huge concern for some people and empowering unsophisticated attackers it's like the coolest most highbrow way of saying script kitties ever

Starting point is 02:35:40 i love unsophisticated attackers they need a monocle in its description of the abilities and limitations of bing chat and gpt4 the assessment the alarm in the building is going to set itself can you undo that oh that makes sense i'm on it i'm on it yeah uh in its description of the abilities and limitations of Bing chat and GPT-4, the assessment specifically cites the February 10th episode of The WAN Show titled Our Biggest Sponsor Pulled Out, where we all lost our minds about Bing for 52 minutes straight. The official text says, based on some public demos,us tech tips in brackets 2023 i

Starting point is 02:36:27 don't know in addition to being uh in addition to being able to perform search queries bing gpt seems to be capable of and this is why i was like okay this is actually legit uh perform image to text conversion image object typed uh color logo nature perform basic logic reasoning to split queries so bags of x type that will fit in trunk of y car and then size of bags of x type to size of uh car wise trunk perform basic knowledge reasoning basically everything we talked about i'm not going to go through all of it but everything we talked about in that show including like uh when we had it look up bone mass and then it figured out that it was actually biomass and like how it reasoned and stuff like that. They go through all of it.

Starting point is 02:37:14 Very interesting. There's some discussion questions. Is it strange thinking about how far the internet has come in the past 10 to 20 years that an official government assessment can cite a YouTube video, especially one that to make it a little bit more at home that you're in. Yeah. I mean, it shouldn't surprise me. And yet it always does. You know, I think a perfect example of this is the video that we uploaded challenging

Starting point is 02:37:44 YouTube to do better on hdr i obviously like if someone asked me i could reason my way through it you know yeah a lot of people who work for youtube are probably technophiles we have 14 million subscribers at the time which in the english-speaking world is a huge percentage of the people at all like like not insignificant and of the tech interested people in the english-speaking world is like i i already know that i can't walk around on a CES show floor without being constantly stopped. And yet I will hear things like, yeah, this video is everywhere, top to bottom, and fires are being lit, right? It always surprises me when I hear it, even though cognitively I understand that- The same thing would happen here. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:38:42 Exactly. Yeah. But it's weird to to think like that it would also happen elsewhere we think of google as nameless and faceless yeah but it is full of people with names and with faces that are looking at us right now yeah yeah yeah it's it's it's weird but interesting you always do want like it's not like celebrities or people in power or people at large companies or whatever it is, or people in positions of influence at large companies, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It's not like outside of their job, they just cease to exist. Like, they use products that maybe you worked on if you're in design or manufacturing or whatever. They watch things.

Starting point is 02:39:21 They play games. Like, you might have played Fortnitenite at some point with like the the lead designer for fortnite i don't know yeah you might not have known that it was him or her or whoever but like the screen name is going to be whatever it is and you might have played with them who knows you never know like who you're interacting with you never know who's watching you don't yeah interesting i want to hear something wild we already have almost 100 new merge messages i'm do we have any news by the way um on the spot probably not positive news oh um so it looks like the logs uh most likely didn't save the curated status,

Starting point is 02:40:05 but we're currently working through pulling the entire order history from this evening. So not good news for you. But good. Well, this is. Let me make a sandwich for you. Jesus. But the good news, you bastard, is we can pull the entire order history, and then I will go through and curate the 1,500 messages.

Starting point is 02:40:32 Okay, okay. It's passwords all over again. I actually love how the power dynamic has changed on this show from you punching up to him punching up and up. He's my boss now, it's my turn. You get to have it from both sides. Yeah, it's great. I'm down, let's go. He's always down to getting it from both sides. Sorry.

Starting point is 02:40:55 Who did we interview earlier? Um, sorry. I can't do this anymore. It took him a second when he got there. We're all tired. Hold on, I gotta... That is- that is- that is- That is really rough news for Dan, but I mean, I felt horrible Yeah. That we lost those so sure it's gonna be really rough I'll try to jump in if we can somehow get those dashboarded or the ones that are incoming now I'll try to help. If we can at least find some, you know, to kind of skim through and acknowledge or whatever.

Starting point is 02:41:26 It was just a very bad feeling. Scattershot is better than no shot. Yes. Well, it's the feeling of losing data. Yeah. Nobody likes the feeling of losing data. Even if it was worthless data. When I press delete, man.

Starting point is 02:41:40 Unlike anything? I feel like a shadow of every time I've ever lost something real. You know? I get this anxiety and this stress, and immediately after I have this feeling, like, what if it was something important? Like, when I permanently delete data, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I just...

Starting point is 02:41:58 I don't like it. What if it, like, feels completely unimportant now? What if I'll need it later? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'll need it later? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not so much of a hoarder in regards to like stuff. A little bit. Some sentimental things, but outside of that, not so much.

Starting point is 02:42:13 But data, yeah. It costs so little to keep that it feels stupid to let it go. Yeah. You know? Okay. Well, if you want to take a talking break, maybe I can try to do another topic. If you want to do some incoming messages, and then we can trade off a little bit to try to save Dan some time.

Starting point is 02:42:31 Do you have that data set yet? Are you chewing through it already? We're working on that. It's a special thing. Is that something that we have any access to? I don't believe so. I doubt it. I seriously doubt it.

Starting point is 02:42:40 I'm dealing with Nick and Conrad right now. So then, game publishers refusing to sell older games. And meanwhile, Valve releases a massive Counter-Strike update. Oh, the update. Yeah, I guess. Sort of. Okay. So Nintendo is shutting down the eShops on the Wii U and the 3DS next week.

Starting point is 02:42:57 By the way, did you see the video from the completionist buying everything from them? That's in here. Yeah. Oh, is it? Oh, I know. This is great. Okay. As well as sunsetting

Starting point is 02:43:06 its virtual console service, now, the only legal way to acquire retro Nintendo games will be through the Switch Online Expansion Pack, which is, you guessed it, a subscription service! Fifty bucks a year. You will own nothing

Starting point is 02:43:22 and you will like it. Gerard, the completionist then, spent over $22,000. I don't know that I would actually encourage giving Nintendo money in response to their anti-consumer practices, but okay.

Starting point is 02:43:39 I do have a very weird theory on this by the way. Sorry, I'll finish this off. I know you've talked a lot. $22,000 buying nearly 866 Wii U games and 1,357 3DS games. Nearly 1.5 terabytes worth. That was, by the way, the most polite way anyone's ever told me to shut up. Due to limitations of the eShop, where only one game can be purchased at a time, this project took 328 days to complete

Starting point is 02:44:07 gerard and his team will be donating the games to the video game history okay cool video game history foundation for preservation what i was going to say is i guess not now but i bet you those systems would be worth a lot later on oh to collector people but donating it to video game history foundation is like way cooler of a move so I respect that a ton I didn't even think about that as like a path probably because I'm

Starting point is 02:44:36 extremely tired but that's super super cool big respect for that and just a very interesting project in general Ryuk says Microsoft driven FUD Super cool. Big respect for that. And just a very interesting project in general. Ryuk says, Microsoft-driven FUD. They do the same thing in the press. Help them not get hate.

Starting point is 02:44:51 Game Pass, hello? It's not the same thing. You can buy those games. However, ha-ha, let's move into our next topic. Meanwhile, EA is delisting Battlefield 1943 and both bad companies from digital storefronts in advance of their online services shutting down in December. Current owners will still

Starting point is 02:45:10 be able to play the single-player campaigns following the server closure, but this is something Luke and I have been talking about for years at this point. The multiplayer experiences of these games, which by the way is the game, are gone. And I'm actually pretty sure people still play those well yeah why wouldn't

Starting point is 02:45:27 they they're battlefield games and like battlefield kind of got a lot worse over time so like bad company had a lot of destruction elements and stuff that was actually like really cool so i i know people are still really into bad company this This sucks. I mean, if there was a single gamer in government, like, you got to feel like they would kind of go, hey, this is a big problem. We need to actually make it illegal to sell this thing to someone based on a box, right? Like, these are old enough games that they had boxes, all right?

Starting point is 02:46:01 So there's this thing on the box that says multiplayer up to whatever players you can't why are we allowed to sell someone this this even a license to this thing i know they're not selling them the software they're selling them a license to it but that license has an agreed upon experience okay and then it just goes away later that was was not the deal. Yeah, I think having some type of minimum agreement for how long it has to be accessible. That's the bare minimum. I don't think it necessarily has to be forever.

Starting point is 02:46:33 I think that's a lot to ask from companies. No, but what it has to be is there has to be a sunset procedure. Yeah, so that's what I was going to say. Once that time period ends you should if you don't want to maintain it it should now be maintainable by someone else and you can set terms and we've talked about this before where like you have to purchase a copy of the game to be able to play it on the newly maintained system the newly maintained system cannot be monetized things like that i don't i don't care but it should be possible for historical reasons

Starting point is 02:47:06 for people to be able to set it up what has happened with subcom supreme commander it's so cool we've commented on this a bunch of times on the show is like perfect in my opinion yeah the community have set up a genuinely amazing community server community actually just genuine community around it there's like events that they have there's custom maps there's mods there's like everything you can imagine they have a custom launcher it requires you to have purchased a real the rights holders still get paid yeah like it's it's it's win win literally great for everyone and then that game gets to survive For everyone.

Starting point is 02:47:44 And then that game gets to survive. Because sure, you know what? It might be 10 years down the road. There might not be that many players anymore. It might be far from profitable for you to maintain this thing. And it's like, you know what? It's really time to sunset this. It takes a lot of our dev time, whatever.

Starting point is 02:47:59 Yeah, fine. Sure. But you have to hand it off. A small distraction in floatplane chat says, we need more government, Linus Sebastian. No, what we need is the government to actually do its job. Its job is supposed to be acting as a... a protector for its citizens, in a sense, right? Like, if someone breaks into your house and steals your stuff,

Starting point is 02:48:28 the government is supposed to do something about it. Right. You're not supposed to just round up a posse and just what like go wandering the streets looking for the guy. What we need is for someone to step in and say, no, you may not actually sell something based on some representation of it and then change it after the fact. I would like to think that people could deal with this themselves by not supporting companies who are going to behave in this way. But clearly that ship has sailed. Yeah. People are going to keep buying games from EA. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:49:04 Regulation is a good thing. Because otherwise, it's anarchy. There's, like, things you can use when manufacturing products that will, like, actually end us all. Yeah. And we need someone to prevent people from doing it. Because otherwise, they've shown time and time again that they will. Yeah. The giant holes that were forming in the ozone and stuff, which like government came in and fixed it.

Starting point is 02:49:31 Are either of us the biggest fans of like over-regulation? No. No. Are either of us the biggest fans of like over-governance, all these other types of things? No. But certain regulations should be in place. A bunch of people were tagging me, be like, stop him. This is hot take territory.

Starting point is 02:49:46 I'm like, I agree. What do you want me to do? No, it's not. It is a good thing that asbestos isn't everywhere. Yeah, that's great. And that sure as heck wasn't private companies dealing with it. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:50:00 And you might say, hey, no, they totally did because it was a liability concern. Well, guess who creates the framework of laws that give companies liability? Like, we actually do need it a little bit. Otherwise, it's just, it's open season for the people with money and power at the top. And, yes, I'm quite wealthy, before you have to say it. But I'm not at the top and yes i'm quite wealthy before you have to say it but i'm not at the top i am a lot closer to you the viewer than i am to a billionaire a lot closer yeah there's actually like a huge difference like the kind of the kind of influence that people can wield

Starting point is 02:50:40 it is unfathomable to me even with my small army of of team members here right like it's i'm not i don't get too far into you know conspiracy theories or whatever but there's real stuff that is not conspiracy theory that has actually happened that just blows my mind i go okay so i'm sorry like this this person or this cabal of people got together and did what yeah oh yeah okay i have some updates yeah yeah hit me um i now have a spreadsheet of unsorted merch messages including a lot of garbage data that is 2007 lines long yeah because it's just like the order. I'm going to go parse this, and I will have some merch messes for you.

Starting point is 02:51:35 I believe Conrad is now working through the 170 that have come in since this has happened. You should try to see if there's some unique identifier so you can get some of that garbage data out of there. I am happy to try to shift to old school stuff and start managing incomings or read. I don't care which one. Yeah, why don't we... You have three curated ones. Oh, good. Do you want me to read you one before I disappear?

Starting point is 02:51:54 I don't think so. Yeah, you better go. Can I borrow that hat? Luke's going to do a little bit of curation while I talk about that Raja Koduri is leaving Intel to form a new company focused on developing generative AI tools for digital movie and game designers. Currently, similar tools are developed primarily with NVIDIA chips in mind, but Koduri wants to create tools that are compatible with any processor. Intel has not yet appointed another permanent head for their Arc division to replace Koduri.

Starting point is 02:52:24 Intel has not yet appointed another permanent head for their ARK division to replace Koduri. The discussion question here is, what does this mean for Intel and specifically the ARK division and competition among low-end graphics cards? I would like to think that kind of like the Radeon Technologies Group at AMD, this is not the end at all for Intel's ARK graphics division. the end at all for Intel's Arc graphics division. It's very obvious that Raja has his hands, his fingerprints all over Arc, and that a lot of the groundwork has already been laid, not just for Arc Alchemist, but also for Battlemage and Celestial. What I'm hoping is that the team that he and the other members of the team, the other members of management there built, are going to take that foundation and run with it. I actually have a lot of hope based on the development we've seen already

Starting point is 02:53:14 with Arc Alchemist, that Intel is going to be a legitimate player in the next year or two or three. But yeah, I wish him all the best on his new endeavor, and good luck, godspeed and with that out of the way that was really the last major topic so why don't we start doing some

Starting point is 02:53:34 merch messages do you want me to read to you? or do you want to just read yourself out of curated? I don't know I'm not sure what's faster there's so many. Oh, man. My laptop.

Starting point is 02:53:50 Oh, wow. The page is heavy. This has never been a problem before. Like, I can barely interact with this page without it being laggy. Yep. I never thought I would say this, but you guys might be buying too much stuff from LTT store.com. I mean,

Starting point is 02:54:11 don't, don't stop or anything. Like we lost a day of AdSense that I'm not going to say it's a bad thing. And we launched a lot of really cool products. The flow plane subs helped a lot with that. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:54:24 But like, what the heck? It's taking me forever to even scroll through the incoming. Okay, I guess I'll do curated. William T says, some of the privated videos that were listed as part of the channel recovery, there was a period of maybe like

Starting point is 02:54:40 three or four hours, I don't know exactly how long it was, where every video that was previously private on the channel was public for a bit. And William says, some of them were pretty cool. As an American, I appreciated the Las Vegas range footage. I used to use the LTT channel as just, well, my personal channel, because it was.

Starting point is 02:55:01 I didn't have a whole team of people that helped me manage it or anything like that. So I would just upload random videos to it. That one in particular, I think, was a trip with OCZ. No, this predates you. I'm pretty sure. I don't know exactly which one it was. I know we've gone.

Starting point is 02:55:16 Yeah, I don't think we had a video of it. I don't remember what it was for. Oh, wait. Yeah, if it was the Las Vegas range, it was probably my trip there with OCZ. And it was just to, I think it was probably unlisted before, and I Yeah, if it was the Las Vegas range, it was probably my trip there with OCZ. And it was just to, I think it was probably unlisted before, and I just had uploaded it to share it with them so that they could check it out.

Starting point is 02:55:32 But the channel was chock full. There was FS700 footage with my infant son, just like, you know, playing like airplane game with him because I had just bought the camera in preparation for launching the channel and was playing with it at home, not knowing how to use it because Ed hadn't shown me yet. It was kind of fun for me going back and looking through some of it. There was some stuff that I, you know, had not uploaded for

Starting point is 02:55:58 privacy reasons, but the main one that was actually problematic was a detailed, like, room-by-room tour of my house. Like, you could build a Counter-Strike map with it, you know? Like, that detailed. Is it your old house? But it's my old house. Okay, well, there you go. Whatever. Gone.

Starting point is 02:56:16 Yeah, so nothing too catastrophic. A lot of non-brand-approved versions of videos. Yeah. There was this really funny thing that we had in our Dyson vacuum, you know, the really controversial one, our Dyson vacuum video, where we had, we took like a picture of James Dyson, and we had him like doing the South Park Canadian talking thing, where his head's just split in two, like Saddam Hussein.

Starting point is 02:56:41 And we had him say, blow them up. What's happening? And it was talking about how he cancelled all of their development for corded vacuums and like they didn't like it they didn't like him you know blah blah blah going like that so we had to do a different version but that was live for a little bit some people thought it was pretty funny so yeah

Starting point is 02:56:59 a lot of non-brand approved things went up alright anyway it seems to be gone now uh let's go ahead and archive that and i'll move on to the next one samuel how many messages before we break the message queue if we break the queue will you give us more details on the magnet wire management uh the only details i can really share are that we are working with an overseas mold supplier on this one because doing the molds with the same supplier that we worked with here in Delta as for the screwdriver would have been a few things. It would have been unnecessarily expensive. It would have taken a long time because they're extremely backlogged.

Starting point is 02:57:39 And it would have been needlessly good. The molds for these do need to be precise in certain ways. So the bottom, the way that the magnet retention is handled is really cool and does need to be pretty precise. But the rest of it, it's a plastic arch. It holds down cables. It's not something that you have in your hand. For some people, hours of the day, right?

Starting point is 02:58:05 Like it doesn't have to be perfect. It just needs to be pretty darn good. And we are happy with the current molds that we have. So we are moving into production and we're hoping to launch them, I think, sometime this year. But if it doesn't happen, well, hey, would anyone really be surprised? We're going to have, I think it's four different sizes of just arches, like the ones that I'm holding. I'm assuming that's why you asked about it, because I was fidgeting with them earlier. And then we're going to have one that's designed to hold a cable tie, so it could hold any size of cable bundle, as long as you don't overpower the magnets.

Starting point is 02:58:35 Pretty excited about it. And we're going to have a whole series of content where we cable manage the worst setups using our cable ties and hopefully our cables at some point. We have a really promising new cable supplier that i'm oh yeah yeah the team is really excited about that's cool we've made some tough decisions uh we are not going to be supporting usb uh 20 gigabit i believe and the reason for that is that basically no manufactured cable today properly meets the full spec it'll function but in terms of the recommendations from usb if or whatever whatever the usb usb forum whatever whatever the usb group is the actual recommended size of the eye for proper signal integrity

Starting point is 02:59:21 as far as we can tell no cable properly meets the recommendations and our standard is going to be that if we can't do it right we're simply not going to make it um that may change because kyle pushed back pretty hard saying we can make it work very consistently it's just not it doesn't have the recommended eye size. So that is the amount of space between like the rising and falling signal or whatever, the zero and the one, essentially. You want that to be a big enough gap that a zero can never be confused for a one. So Kyle was pushing back saying like, it's a big eye big eye it's fine but that's not really my vibe

Starting point is 03:00:07 so we'll have to kind of well we'll fight it out we'll fight it out but we just want our cables to be completely trusted zero question it'll do what it says it's going to do and we're just going to rate them by gigabits per second and watts rather than gen whatever or whatever nonsense what'd be kind of cool is if you do the rating that way you could also have like an info tab that is like this is the things that should be capable of then yes that makes sense that'd be sweet um chet asks will the hydrophobicness ever wear off the hats i don't know stay tuned for the more information that presumably i will be bringing to you later uh it's not a treatment to the fabric it's a special

Starting point is 03:00:50 fabric though um okay i thought i replied to that one i wonder if this is like kind of broken too uh matthew says hey linus and luke i guess you're uh uh are you available too Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love the content. Have been watching since around 2012. I've been tinkering with making an RC Hot Wheels car. Okay, that would be sick. Is there any chance we'll see more RC content? Man, RC is tough. I feel like the closest RC has gotten to overlapping with our content is like drones

Starting point is 03:01:28 and there's such cool tech in the space whether it's first person view goggles or just like man the cameras that they're packing onto drones these days um the the like how lightweight drones have gotten to deal with the regulations around people flying them but it just doesn't perform well on the main channel and right now drones are a like a distant a distant uh twinkle in not even my eye you know someone else's eye here in terms of a vertical that we would create a channel that focuses on or something like that like there's just so many more low-hanging fruits that are more in our wheelhouse. So I would see RC as even farther away than that, but I love it. I think it's super cool.

Starting point is 03:02:14 I just don't see how we could build a business case around making more content for RC. I have toyed around with the idea of sicking the creator warehouse team on just like a tiny little RC car or boat or mouse, just because those are things that are available, like to play with cats or like for kids to play with in the bathtub or whatever. But they all suck. I would want like a good one, like a little RC mouse toy for cats. mouse toy for cats that's like a hundred dollars because it's packed full of the like the best uh the best motors and you know the best radio equipment and it's super durable it has like an interchangeable top so that when the cat wears it out or whatever it you can just put on a new one like that kind of thing would be awesome sorry i'm gonna i'm gonna just going to just show this one. But Trevor W. said, print idea for the next batch of underwear. Nude colored with a strawberry on the front and a crack on the backside.

Starting point is 03:03:17 That would actually be so funny. I think by the time they could get them out, the meme might be a little dead. Yeah. So I don't know if we should like actually do it, but it's funny. It might be worth doing a printable underwear though, like underwear blanks. It's never even occurred to me. And then we could do meme underwear designs and stuff. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 03:03:37 Hmm, interesting. Why did I... I have a spout lid. Why did I take the whole thing off? It just... I'm not functioning, Luke. I'm not functioning. I'm with you strawberry underwear okay anywho um andrew c i'm watching about an hour behind so you could have already addressed this are there any local concerns after the hackening on a hardware

Starting point is 03:03:59 level like with goat um yes so i created this almost for myself yes i immediately seized the computer uh disconnected from network all that kind of stuff i have it uh stashed away any storage the motherboard all that stuff is gonna be disappeared uh but like the cpu the ram the ram's probably fine i'll look into it a little bit more, but RAM's probably fine. The CPU, the RAM, uh, the graphics card, which I'm pretty sure it has. I haven't looked inside it. Like there's the case power supply. Lots of things in there will be recoverable, but anything that could be compromised is

Starting point is 03:04:37 just going to be destroyed. Um, that is what it is. Yeah. Destroyed. Yeah. What are you destroying? A motherboard. What I you destroying? A motherboard. What I'm assuming is an SSD.

Starting point is 03:04:49 And then that's probably it. They're compromised. You have to destroy the motherboard? Bios could be infected. Expensive motherboard. I haven't looked enough into what you can do about that. I'm not 100% sure. I haven't looked into it at all. Dad? I'm not 100% sure. I haven't looked into it at all.

Starting point is 03:05:06 Dan? I'm not 100% sure. Dan? No, no, no, let him keep working. Dan? Let him keep working. Can you solder a new BIOS chip? Yeah, if you can do that, if you can flash it

Starting point is 03:05:13 and it genuinely 100% resolves it, whatever, then we can keep it. I still have the whole thing. I haven't done any of this. Okay. But at some point in time, we're going to have to deal with those things. We're definitely not retaining the SSDsd that's that's gone the motherboard is maybe a keep but the ssd

Starting point is 03:05:32 is is definitely gone i hate destroying hardware i agree it always it hurts me oh yeah but like yeah there are concerns about the hardware. I just haven't even like, the only thing I did was I unplugged the computer and I took it with me so that other people wouldn't plug it back in. And it's just like, now that it's offline, it's not high priority. So I'll deal with it later. But I am aware that the computer is a concern. Okay, I started doing merch messages um oh man we uh we're oh i feel like uh how our customer support team must have felt

Starting point is 03:06:15 when we were so far behind their screwdriver and backpack launch conrad's even helping us in the dashboard he's in the dashboard as well replying to messages and stuff and i think i don't know this because I've just barely been communicating with the team. I think because if we keep the load down a little bit, maybe it survives.

Starting point is 03:06:35 We're just trying to answer them quickly to get things out of the system. Daniel G, this one must have been curated by Dan because he is constantly hounding me about this.

Starting point is 03:06:45 Have you ever done a behind the scenes for the WAN show and going over the equipment you use? Oh, okay. Yeah. Dan has answered this one, I think, more than once that he wants to do it. And I keep saying I don't think it's an LTT video. You know what? Is Dan in your shot? I don't know.

Starting point is 03:07:01 I'm not sure. Oh, okay. Well, you guys can remind him next show, because he's not at the chair right now. Yes, it's greenlit as a floatplane exclusive. He can do a little tour of his battle station back there. And maybe he can explain in more detail how he

Starting point is 03:07:15 plans to do that job remotely. Because there's sliders, and there's dials, and there's keypads. I don't really understand how he's going to be doing that. Oh, this is a fun one. Chris C. says, I know you mentioned about trying to find a way to raise capital. Have you ever thought about doing something like Hacksmith

Starting point is 03:07:38 where they sell memorabilia from the video creation process? Oh, okay. I thought I was going to have more to contribute to this than I ended up having. I actually suggested to James, back when he was approaching 10 million subscribers, that he do like a memorabilia slash, that he make part of the event

Starting point is 03:08:02 talking about some of the early days of Hacksmith and how he was funding it by going to the dollar store and buying little tiny cutting boards and uh laser engraving them with like cool graphics and slogans um he gave he still had some of them kicking around and i asked for one because i was like this is such a cool little piece of hacksmith history because he could sell them for like 20 30 bucks on etsy um and it was like a this is such a cool little piece of Hacksmith history because he could sell them for like 20, 30 bucks on Etsy. And it was like a Game of Thrones, like dragon looking thing and said dinner is coming on this like cute little cutting board.

Starting point is 03:08:34 And I was like, man, you should tell that story about the early days. And you should do like a drop of little cutting boards because there was still time. I think he was at like 9 million something. I don't think he ended up doing it, but that's what I thought you were asking about, like doing kind of commemorative stuff like that. But no, I think they actually do sell

Starting point is 03:08:56 some of the stuff they create. I think that's what you're talking about. We've done some blind auctions at LTX for like BC Children's Hospital, and I think we've worked with Extra Life on auctioning off. We did the Bomb PC, for example. There was a couple other things as well. We have some stuff that we have queued up for LTX this year,

Starting point is 03:09:19 but we've never, aside from garage sales, where we were just selling stuff to get rid of it, to get it out of our hair that we had used in videos, but we weren't really, we weren't really emphasizing that. I don't think we've, I don't think we've ever really done it. No.

Starting point is 03:09:36 Kyle asks, will you implement where you can only log into accounts from the company network, add workplace plugins, scanning employee inboxes for phishing emails and malicious attachments, et cetera. I think that's a better question for our new CTO, Mr. Luc Lafreniere. Yeah, a lot of this stuff,

Starting point is 03:09:54 like pretty much everything you said and more, has been roadmapped. We're dealing with... A lot of it was roadmapped already just as part of onboarding and figuring out where the heck things were at, but it takes time. It takes a lot of time.

Starting point is 03:10:11 And we're dealing with this migration off of LastPass for relatively obvious reasons if you've been paying attention to the space at all for a while now. And that was like many thousands of passwords. Like many. And that was what a lot of people immediately freaked out and were worried about caused the recent like break in. But it was actually completely unrelated.

Starting point is 03:10:37 I had nothing to do with that. So that was our focus first was like, hey, there was this massive breach at LastPass. We should figure this out immediately. So we aren't even technically a hundred percent done that um there's still a lot of growing pains to do with that migration and then this happened but yeah like these are all these are all things we we thought of like one of the small unfortunate artifacts of this situation was the antivirus solution that we have actually did flag it but it wasn't set to as aggressive of a level as it could have been because we didn't previously and even i mean the team hasn't grown yet i'm still working on hiring an infrastructure person we didn't have the like

Starting point is 03:11:19 bandwidth to not as in internet bandwidth and as in like time um to be able to address the level of false positives that would have been coming through because it was it was a lot of false positives which is like fine it's a more it's a more aggressive level but that level would have stopped this because it did detect it the antivirus solution we have detected it but it was like this doesn't match a signature for something that we've seen before, but this thing is sketchy and it looks very similar. And it sent a warning.

Starting point is 03:11:54 It sent a warning to the user and it sent a warning through email, but systems were just, everything's kind of in a weird limbo place right now. So just, it slipped through. Can I just say, shout out Conrad and the Floatplane team for only losing messages sometimes. Going over to my screen here.

Starting point is 03:12:15 Oh. You know how I said this was fixed now, it seemed? It's not. Here's a 100 euro super chat. Whoa. That is not in the archive. So when this expires from here, it will be gone. Also, I doubt that this is the number of super chats today.

Starting point is 03:12:34 Because it's been quite a long stream. It's still f***ing broken. This is the only time ever. It's been a perfect track record up until this point. What? For merch messages. Oh, I thought you meant for super chats. Oh, sorry, not for that. Because I was going to say, what are you talking about? the only time ever it's it's been a perfect track record up until this point what for merch oh i thought you meant for super chats for that because i was gonna say that what are you talking about that's why we developed merch messages because super chats were broken yeah i've had people

Starting point is 03:12:54 accuse me of like making that up or something something i don't i don't know anyway thanks mega leg uh no no it's actually broken i don't know how it's even possible so yeah all right one time merch messages falls apart we're sorry but dang it i'm giving the team a pass on this one because it's more reliable than google's product yeah and like dan's resolving it right now we didn't lose the data it just became a lot more complicated and difficult and tedious to parse through um and we're already back online in in the normal way so that's working so like yeah It just became a lot more complicated and difficult and tedious to parse through And we're already back online and in the normal way, so that's working so like yeah I don't know things are gonna go wrong that's another thing that like I if I remember correctly you did address well in your video

Starting point is 03:13:35 but like Like what the hack that happened to us like things are gonna go wrong Yeah, we a hundred percent could have had better stuff in place on average. I get hacked once every five years 100% could have had better stuff in place. On average, I get hacked once every five years. So bad. We'll make that better. We'll make that better.

Starting point is 03:13:53 I've even talked to Wendell about it already, and he shared the same opinion. You can do as much as you want policy-wise. We can do as much as we want education-wise, and we should and we will, and that was another thing that was roadmapped already, but we just haven't been able to get to that. But we're not going to claim that anything is ever unexploitable no yeah there will always be holes and there's the whole swiss cheese approach thing that we mentioned when we were talking about goats video on tarkov where like with security you want to just have

Starting point is 03:14:17 a lot of layers because each layer is going to have some amount of holes so you try to have as many as you can that hopefully something can't get through. But something could get through at pretty much any time. But we need to be, man, what did he call it? It's a phrase I've heard it a bunch of times before, but my brain is not working. We need to be hard. Effectively that, yeah. Hardened.

Starting point is 03:14:39 What is it called? It's like not. Well, I have a little thing I need to talk to some of our floatplane team about here real quick First of all Conrad says lose messages. What are you talking about? Fragile yeah, we got them back sort of yeah, it's sort of you're right You're right Conrad that I should have been more fair to you also Jaden two things number one Why are you still working and number two?

Starting point is 03:15:01 What is this feature you're testing? What is it? Hold on a second let me just bring the eyes are bad I can see it Okay What is this what is moderation by a moderation bot whenever I open the live page the app crashes? Moderation bot hi Jaden there is currently an update available that fixes the livestream crashing issue Please try to update to the latest version Are you not only are you experimenting with features live in the chat? While we are in a crisis here Jaden

Starting point is 03:15:35 Also go to bed It's late Defense and death no anti-fragile anti-fragile I I always liked the term anti-fragile and and wendell mentioned it when he was talking to me about like the whole world could stand to be a little less anti or a little more anti-fragile yeah but that's a whole separate conversation yeah so like i that's that's something that needs to happen is not the user's fault aj and jonathan piping up we're still working too. Okay, no for real though guys. Let's go boys!

Starting point is 03:16:12 The official response is something whatever he's gonna say. Please log your hours correctly. Yeah, there you go. I messaged AJ earlier. You're supposed to pre-approve OT. Oh, well you got him. Oh, well, you got them. I did message AJ earlier because I didn't... At that point in time, it was only contractors and AJ working. And contractors, I don't think I actually even can, let alone have to.

Starting point is 03:16:38 And I knew AJ was working, so I told him, like, make sure you claim your OT, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now there's other people including dan and conrad that are working so yeah it's sounds good just everyone log your hours correctly that's all i have to say about that you know hr and accounting know all the details of how you're supposed to be logging your hours i i i massively enjoy working with people who will rise to the challenge and get stuff done you should also be paid for it so yeah um okay golden dan came back with a laptop how did you do that that fast um he read them apparently okay he put the he put the the hydrophobic hat on and somehow that just dialed them in.

Starting point is 03:17:25 Okay. Wow. We are not going to be able to get through all of these regardless, Dan. And I don't want you to feel like it was wasted effort, you know, finding the ones. But we will not address them all. I don't think it's possible. Since the problem, we've had 270. Well, okay.

Starting point is 03:17:50 Yeah. had 270 well okay yeah he doesn't have to address he can't address any of those in a show on screen or or text reply status but he can curate ones out of there and we can keep working on this okay you want to keep going through curated i'll keep doing what i was doing oh my goodness or we can swap whatever and have been curated okay do you want to hit us with some merch messages then? Yeah, sure. Let's do it. Unfortunately, I can't see the name. Sure. So you just get your message. All right. Okay.

Starting point is 03:18:11 First one is, what training will you be implementing to prevent further intrusion? Oh, yeah. So we sort of talked about this earlier. There will be training slash education stuff that is coming in. be training slash education stuff that is coming in but our main goal is to make our systems and our approaches and our processes and stuff like that as anti-fragile as possible because you can do as much training as you want but it it's not going to completely solve the i definitely want the thing where we try to fish our own employees and then anyone who clicks on something yeah it's totally a goal yeah okay cool yeah, cool. Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 03:18:47 Yeah, I've had a bunch of people reach out being like, oh, I can do pen testing on your organization. It's like, great. We might be interested in that at some point. We're definitely going to do our own version of that. We have some very low-hanging fruit to pick first. But we know what we need to work on for the next little bit.

Starting point is 03:18:59 Yeah, okay. For sure. Cool. Yeah. Next up, Luke, we haven't had a meet the team from you yet. so what is something you hate for no good reason other than you just hate it don't say line do you ever meet the team like do hosts normally have a meet the team yeah i feel like people have met me a lot

Starting point is 03:19:18 yeah yeah we've we've done hosts before okay um what do i hate for no good reason hate for no good reason i feel like i have reasons for things that i hate maybe they're not good ones but i feel like i have them i hate dead things dead things yeah i just i have like necrophobia oh okay yeah anything dead like i'm more afraid of a dead spider than a live one like i just i don't like it interesting yeah i don't feel like i have whenever i watch scenes in movies where like you know Iron Man dies or whatever and then like when If poltro leans down and kisses him spoiler alert Iron Man dies Okay, it's late Okay, we are supposed to spoiler alert things, but also if you don't know that

Starting point is 03:20:04 It's fine. It's fine. The point is- You probably weren't gonna watch it anyways. So he's like dead and she like leans in and you know like kisses him one last time and I'm just like Like I can feel my bile rising like and it's one of those things I've like I've thought about you know cuz like I don't know you Maybe this isn't normal but like I'll have like nightmares sometimes that like Yvonne dies in her sleep. And like, I, I wake up next to her and like, the only thing I can think of is like,

Starting point is 03:20:31 oh, like getting away as fast as possible. Like I wouldn't be like, like clutching and sobbing. I don't think that's interesting. I've never gone through it, but I do not. I mentioned dead things earlier in the show about how we have tons of, like, freakishly similar things. That's not one of them. Okay. Yeah. So you're into dead things. I'm not into it, but, like, I was there when my grandfather passed away.

Starting point is 03:20:53 Right, okay. And he was freakishly strong. I don't know how much I told you about this, but the nurses were very impressed because we found he couldn't talk near the end, but he found a way to communicate through just like strengthening things so you'd like hold his hands and he would like move you in a certain way for yes and he'd move you in a certain way for no right and he was really strong so he could like actually give you like quite a push so there was one time i made some comment about and he could see so i made some comment about how i needed a haircut and he just like almost tossed me which was hilarious but

Starting point is 03:21:30 like um i was holding his hand right and i was okay like obviously i was sad but like i didn't get any visceral reaction think of it with my opa. With my opah, I was there too. And in the very moment, yeah, I was okay, but I didn't want to go near him after for sure. I helped the

Starting point is 03:21:58 morgue guy carry him out. That was a proud moment for me, to be honest. It felt... I don't know if this is going to be honest. Okay. It felt, I don't know if this is going to be interpreted the right way, but it felt good. I was happy to do it. It felt like I was doing my grandpa a favor.

Starting point is 03:22:15 The more guy was like, I can do it myself more or less, but I was like, it feels right. Yeah. I don't know. Whatever. I don't think I could have done it with you,

Starting point is 03:22:22 man. I don't. Yeah. I didn't expect. Yeah. Like I'm not saying anything about that. It just felt appropriate for me to do that. I don't know why. I wasn't needed.

Starting point is 03:22:32 Maybe I'd have felt differently if I'd. I also wasn't needed in that moment. That dude had a hand on it, but. Oh, okay. He had like a whole method for everything and stuff. He was on it, but I just felt like I should help. Okay. I don't know.

Starting point is 03:22:44 Anyways, on to more positive topics yeah sure we could do that oh I didn't answer the question I don't know I feel like things that I hate I usually have a reason for can you think of anything that I hate for well I mean the dead no for me oh for you oh something you hate for no reason. I don't know if you like hate much. Don't think so. I can think of like some things that I'm against, but I can't think of for no reason. I don't think I'm just like irrationally against anything too much. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:23:23 I can't think of anything off the top of my head. All right. Yep. Moving on. Sorry. sorry well you'll probably like this one then uh hi linus hi luke greetings from a new float plane subscriber hey questions from luke questions for luke how challenging was it to scale up float plane given the sudden influx of so many new subscribers um that again that part's actually not that big of a deal the the infrastructure slash devops team is is really good has been doing a great job um the the problems that we've been having the things that people have been seeing going on are more related to um some somewhat problematic recent updates that we've had which is fairly normal um and just extremely unfortunate timing so yeah i don't know

Starting point is 03:24:16 it is what it is we knew this stuff like might happen but that's just like kind of part of doing this i don't know we're not like an absolutely insanely enormous team um we we gotta do what we can so things did happen they just unfortunately happened right now but we'll recover we've already recovered a ton like they're they're literally working on it right now there's been significant improvements that have happened during the show a video was launched during this show. Do you know about that? Yes. There was a Mac address published during the show.

Starting point is 03:24:51 I mean, I did kind of ask you about that. Like, are you letting people know that there's a problem with notifications? And you're like, nope. I was like, okay. Well, like, how are we going to? I mean, you could have posted in general in Teams. No, I know. But, like the we're

Starting point is 03:25:05 just gonna queue up like an insane amount later they're not gonna get things at the same time as youtube that makes them unhappy that makes that makes the float plane people very unhappy we know we know that we don't do it on purpose yeah it's usually like you know like this wanshow archive will be later oh yeah um it just takes a long time to process because we don't have hundreds of millions of dollars worth of servers. We're doing it ourselves. So it takes a minute. And then that problem exacerbates as the WAN show just keeps getting longer and longer. So, yeah, it is what it is.

Starting point is 03:25:39 Oops. I accidentally just clicked show on one that I intended to reply to. I accidentally just clicked show on one that I intended to reply to. If there was a sport that I could pick up today as an adult, a team sport, it would be roller hockey. I think I would get absolutely annihilated because I'm not very big, but I just love rollerblading. And I've always loved hockey, even though I suck. But this was aspirational. It wasn't what sport are you going to start playing tomorrow so that's what i chose yeah okay up next how many sport for me yeah a team sport a new team

Starting point is 03:26:14 sport that you could pick up today what would you choose a problem with this is a lot of the things that i would want to do would be very body breaking and i already have enough of those problems so uh hmm define pickup what level of good are we you're just gonna have to choose this they're obviously not gonna be able to respond. What level of good are we? Yeah. Like by pick up, do they mean like,

Starting point is 03:26:51 can I like play at a competitive level? I would think so. Yeah. Okay. So probably badminton. Really? Oh, okay. Because I have people that I would want to play with at that point. It's fun.

Starting point is 03:26:59 Yeah. It's really fun. I enjoy it. And there's people that I would want to play with, which adds a social aspect to it, which is very cool. There's a lot of other sports that I could put in there. The social side is what incentivizes me to do it at all. That's what helps me stay in shape.

Starting point is 03:27:12 It's like, if I don't go, I'm letting down my friends because I'm not paying my portion of the rental fee tonight and everyone has to pay more. So even if I kind of don't feel like it, I go. And because I know everyone and I want want to beat them i go hard yeah and so it's it's it's just a really different level from just like trying to motivate myself to just like do push-ups or something like yeah yeah if i didn't have social connections which would benefit badminton i'd i'd probably say actually either rollerball roller hockey roller

Starting point is 03:27:46 ball i like that too or uh it's called ski ball and it's not really a team sport the funny part is ball had nothing to do with what i was even gonna say i just came out of nowhere because i wasn't gonna say ball hockey curling i was gonna say ice hockey oh okay curling i i doesn't count as pickup because yeah i play once a year my dad's also like my dad's going to either i don't remember if it's provincials or nationals but he's going to one of them they have like custom jackets on and everything he has his name on a custom jacket he's sponsored by some company he's crazy he's really good it's actually like nuts we we often like so we play in this thing called the novice bond spiel bond spiel for curling is effectively tournament um and we play in the novice bond spiel because my my brother my uncle and i don't actually play we just play once a year

Starting point is 03:28:38 at this novice tournament and then my dad plays um but my dad leads our team. And how it's set up is there's a certain amount of years combined across all the members of your team. How many years have they played curling? How many teams have they, how many years have they curled? Yeah, that's the way to say it. So I think they started adding years to myself, my brother, and my uncle, because they're like, eventually you guys have to stop doing this because we win all the time. The amount of years that they've started making us take on, despite us never actually playing for any year, any amount of years.

Starting point is 03:29:18 And then with the years that my dad is just naturally gaining, we're going to be pushed out of that tournament eventually, which kind of sucks. that my dad is just naturally gaining, we're gonna be pushed out of that tournament eventually, which kinda sucks. But we just win all the time, and we relatively often win, because my dad is the last person to curl, and he'll just sink one, and it'll be brutal. They're gonna score six points,

Starting point is 03:29:37 and then on the last throw that we have ever, it'll just be like, oop, we win. It's just so ridiculous went it's crazy oh man there was one year where there's three different ways that you can receive money there's how you place in the tournament so if you like win you make some money um it there's something called the blind calcutta i believe is what it's called i don't know what that necessarily means but uh if you enter the blind calcutta i believe is what it's called i don't know what that necessarily means but uh if you enter the blind calcutta you pay into it and then you get a random team assigned to you and if that team wins you make money and then there's a thing called

Starting point is 03:30:16 cool shots which is like shuffleboard yeah but they're curling rocks and it's your your your curling it's just like on a board. And one year, we got ourselves in the blind Calcutta. We won the tournament. So we won the blind Calcutta. We won the tournament, and we won cool shots. We won everything. Yeah, I'd be a little resentful if I was, you know, someone else who thought I was, you know, pretty hot at curling

Starting point is 03:30:43 and, like, just this, this like family team comes in. I'd be like, they probably practice like every night together. The funniest part is we like don't- They probably have their own curling rink. We don't even like show up the night before or the day before to like do a couple slides or anything. Our first slide of every tournament is like an actual tournament slide. Like it's just- That's stupid. Show off. It's so funny. Anyways anyways we're all like very competitive so we're super into this whole thing it's great anyways more merch messages all right how many shirts do we have to buy to get more dan butt streams uh loved it today oh dan but that's

Starting point is 03:31:19 not how i interpreted that see if you said besser Butt or Dan Sarah, I might have known what you were talking about. But Dan Butt is an entirely different thing. I was wondering if you picked something up in the back of the stream or something and flashed some butt. Yeah. No, I popped in a few times to calm anxieties. Yeah, I've seen a few people asking for that.

Starting point is 03:31:40 I mean, my feedback is like, oh, guys, everyone here is cool. But we can't have everyone on camera constantly because we actually have stuff to do you got stuff to do yeah um so i i mean the idea of sarah doing design streams like that is not a new one she's done them before and we'd love to do them but it can't be all the time because it's not as you know productive for her and it means people can't come in and talk to her about confidential stuff and whatever else so it's not as you know productive for her and it means people can't come in and talk to her about confidential stuff and whatever else so it's it's not something we can do all the time um but i don't see it as being an impossibility okay next up uh linus did you experience any residual anxiety

Starting point is 03:32:17 reviewing your security footage also would you say that the anxiety you were experiencing during the hackening affected your ability to handle the situation? Oh, I mean, yeah, definitely affected my ability to handle the situation. Not as much as being sleep deprived and just generally being a bit of a scatterbrain, though. The sleep deprivation was the thing. I think I was actually at an advantage because I hadn't fully fallen asleep yet. Right. I was in bed, but I hadn't fully fallen asleep.

Starting point is 03:32:44 Oh, I was full random. So my brain was fully, I was up and ready, basically. I was like mildly tired because I hadn't slept yet, but that's all. Okay, up next. What do you weigh heavier for LTT outage? WANIC data loss or LTT being hacked? The data loss was more anxiety-inducing for me.

Starting point is 03:33:06 Actually, no, hold on. Well, that's only partially true. If you ask LTT being hijacked, well, there were three separate incidents of that, and the first one was devastating because in the first one, it wasn't common, and there was no resources available. I had never been through it before.

Starting point is 03:33:29 I thought everything was gone forever. I was inconsolable. The second and third times, I've known that there's probably some recourse. Probably. We have way better contacts at Google, YouTube now. times I've I've known that there's probably some recourse probably we have way better contacts at Google YouTube now like it's it's a different it's a different beast now I mean it we're talking earlier about how it happens regularly at this point which isn't a good thing but it is a reassuring thing

Starting point is 03:33:59 I guess so that's not even close to the second most anxious I ever was, which is when we had that major data loss on the WANUC server, that raid failure. Okay, next up. Subscribe to Floatplane in January, and today sealed a long-term customer. Sorry we all hugged Floatplane too hard this evening. Has the latest uptick in subs changed plans

Starting point is 03:34:27 for future infrastructure expansions? Infrastructure expansions? Shoot, I just replied to the wrong merch message. Whoever I replied lol no to, the merch message that that was supposed to be was, do you have any plans to do a review of the EK water block for Intel Arc graphics cards? Oh, I replied to that too, that's why. Ah, I see. have any plans to do a review of the ek water block for intel arc graphics cards oh i replied

Starting point is 03:34:45 to that too that's why ah i see yeah we're having some too many cooks problems actually there's only 12 incoming merch messages we should probably relax and get that down to one person okay um what's the question i'm supposed to be answering right now, Dan? Are you going to make the servers bigger? Oh, infrastructure response. Are there any new plans? As far as I know, no. Again, like, it's obviously there is some of that. Mostly what it is is there are issues that were uncovered with some of our recent updates,

Starting point is 03:35:25 and they were made much more obvious by the increase in users. Like one of the issues right now that we are dealing with, maybe have dealt with, it was, I don't 100% know what's going on. I've been trying to pay attention, but there's been changes during the show. So they might have already solved this. But there was an issue with notifications where it would like crush the service when a notification went out. It only crushed the service for Linus Tech Tips because we have so many people that the notifications go to um is our notification service like do we need to scale up servers to handle that no there was a bug um like we we can handle this much traffic can we dynamically scale up infrastructure at this point some things yes some things no um but like it's it like actually should be fine we should be able to absorb this

Starting point is 03:36:10 for sure it's just certain bugs have been exaggerated due to the increase of users which have made things a little bit worse but that is going to be resolved through fixing bugs which is something you just always need to do. So it's fairly normal operations, just, again, unfortunate timing. Flowplane is legitimately, genuinely quite solid, so it is what it is. We will move on. We will be okay. Okay, last one. I've got my list here. I've seen a shorter version of the screwdriver.

Starting point is 03:36:38 Any estimated time of arrival on what will be this year, or is it still unknown when it will be released? When's the stubby coming, Linus? My stubby's here right now. Sorry. We are aiming for mid this year. In our perfect magical world,

Starting point is 03:36:58 Nick and Kyle are probably going to kill me for saying this. In our perfect magical world, you will be able to buy one at LTX. Oh, what? Okay. Yeah, don't, yeah. Don't say that on stream. I'm not committing to that, though.

Starting point is 03:37:13 And they are especially... I'm hyperventilating for Kyle right now. Yeah, they are especially not committing to that. We would love to hit... Oh, Kyle says soon in the chat. There, that's the official answer. Cool, perfect. Good. I didn't know Kyle was still watching.

Starting point is 03:37:27 Everyone is. Okay, this next Merce message is from Kyle. Oh, different Kyle. Okay. Will you implement where you can only log into accounts from the company network and workplace plug-in scanning employees? I think we already talked about this. This is slightly different.

Starting point is 03:37:46 Somebody didn't archive it. We talked about something similar. We can move on. Yeah, it's effectively the same. We've got a lot of stuff to get through. If it's similar, we're going. Yeah, we're pushing. Alberto, can you guys get Dan a picture-in-picture window

Starting point is 03:37:57 and a decent background instead of a door? I think it suits me, don't you? Are you reading... I'm on your curated messages now. Wait, mess what you're done your sheet. Yes. Oh, oh well. That's fantastic Okay, did you want more? Well? I'm just kind of sad because I felt like here hold on put you back up here I felt like we were Heading towards uncharted territory. I don't think the W wan show has ever made its way to saturday before what time is it oh don't look at the time is that a new goal we're going to go to saturday we're going to saturday i'm not saying it's a goal i'm just saying that if there were more

Starting point is 03:38:34 merch messages curated then it might happen are you you read all of them were you a little too aggressive with the curation filtering i'm not sure a lot of them were um like responses to merch or like stuff that you had already talked about like a lot of people were curious who edited uh linus's junk out of the video right and a massive outcry uh were people wishing us the best through this and thank you very your cool love everyone it really does help his junk sorry I ruined a good moment you really did your junk just made a bunch of money hey it ain't the first time wonk yeah no so a lot of support um a lot of support which was really nice um i can have another fine tooth comb but um i think when we had that lost i think i had about six to ten

Starting point is 03:39:33 impurated and like another six to ten um because i wasn't able to like do them because i had a hundred in the queue and i wasn't able to show them and the backlog was 400 and Everything just fell apart so Am I gonna get a decent background? No Well there's a door there It's an emergency exit You can't do anything exit. Yeah, literally

Starting point is 03:40:06 Yeah, oh wait. We can't see it because it's like a reflective sticker Do you can you grab your camera and get a little closer to it or something make it so we can read it that put a? little shade on it Yeah, it's a fire door like we can't really change anything about his setup. Thanks, and that's helping a lot work It's like straight off. Yeah, you know what forget it. I'm gonna move the camera. Thanks, Dan. That's helping a lot. It's not going to work. It's like straight on. Yeah, you know what? Forget it.

Starting point is 03:40:26 You've got to move the camera. No, you're done. You're out. Opportunity lost. Fire door. Keep closed. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for reading that for us.

Starting point is 03:40:35 I mean, that is kind of his job is to read things for us. Other things as well. I'm putting this on your quarterly review. Sometimes he changes. Read good, too. And do other stuff. Grammar good. Excellent. well I'm putting this on your quarterly review sometimes he changes read good too and do other stuff grammar good excellent he also needs to type good yeah type good is good yeah yeah it's spelled oh yeah that's okay I don't think it matters that makes the passwords better all right here's with have you ever have you ever locked yourself out of an account that you just created or like a

Starting point is 03:41:17 windows install you just created by typoing a password exactly the same way twice yeah yeah i've definitely done that. It's such a frustrating experience. And then you sit there and you kind of go, maybe if I could typo it the same way a third time, I could get it and change it. Yep. That's totally a thing.

Starting point is 03:41:37 Oh, no. Okay. Okay, next up is from Matthew. Luke, what's your opinion on kids using chat GPT in school for classes like English? I know I've used it to only help with research and outlining, but other kids use it to write full essays. It's a weird one. I thought this would be for maybe both of us instead of just me because you actually have children. I mostly subscribe to the calculator argument.

Starting point is 03:42:04 What I mean by the calculator argument is when when like we were in school yeah i'm sure you had the same conversations calculators away a lot of the teachers would make you put your calculators away because and the argument would be like oh you won't have one on you all the time how did that work out so now with chat gpt it's like well okay these types of tools are very obviously going to stay around however is there something to be said for having life skills like ability being able like i can drive my car without navigation but i have heard from young people and people who know young people that they actually key in even places they go regularly every time they go. Oh, I do sometimes just for traffic data. And do not know how to get there without it.

Starting point is 03:42:55 Oh. So when your internet is out, is it useful to just have some basics? Yeah. Well, like I think one of the big directions that things are going in. Yeah. And I'm just like choosing to see this more optimistically. But I think one of the big directions that people are going in is like a partnership thing. Right. Like Microsoft's calling it co-pilot. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:43:23 Like the idea is that you're working on things together. You are a cyborg. And like a lot of the demos by Microsoft, and I actually respected this a lot, is they were just constantly showing people getting outputs from whatever co-pilot thing it was in, Excel, Word, whatever. And then it was immediately showing people editing them. One of the biggest points in the video, they get it to write out a thing in Word, and then it shows the person select a big chunk of it and just click delete and get rid of it.

Starting point is 03:43:49 And it like makes a point of being like, look, they just changed it because they're pushing, like, you need to edit these things. You need to work with it and stuff like that. So potentially using, even just having like a section of your class, part of your course being like, okay, we're going to intentionally use these new tools, but you have to have some amount of ownership over its output. You need to edit it. You need to improve it.

Starting point is 03:44:12 You need to guide it, those different types of things. You have to be a part of this process because if you're not, then you're bringing no value. Which is dangerous. Yeah. So learn how to,

Starting point is 03:44:29 yes, you still need to learn the base skill but then if kids are using it are they learning the base skill yeah it's a complicated question that's why i said part of the class though like you could having the challenge being original creation yeah versus uh edited or guided creation sure interesting to me, having both of them. Like learning how in a calculator filled world, knowing how to do mental math is still beneficial. Oh, for sure. And knowing how to see a result that comes out of a calculator and go, ooh, that's wrong. Yeah, where did I screw up the formula? It's good.

Starting point is 03:45:02 And like, yeah, maybe if it's within a very small margin you might not notice but knowing some mental math knowing how to estimate answers is going to lead you to realize oh i forgot a bracket or something weird happened in my in my input um i didn't plus i didn't press plus one of those times i was trying to plus 20 things together so one number was one really long number and it gave me totally the wrong result like being able to figure that out is really beneficial so somehow finding a way to teach that would be good i don't know it's really complicated i need to try to use these tools more like something that could have been pretty interesting would be to you know i could even do it because we often save versioned um scripts so if I took the version that Jake brought me, which had all my notes,

Starting point is 03:45:47 and then all his sort of expansion on the notes that I had left, and I just plunked that into ChatGPT, like, hey, can you clean this up and turn it into a 15-minute video script? Definitely get four if you're going to do that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. But I would like to see how close it gets, you know? Yeah.

Starting point is 03:46:05 Yeah. Maybe, oh, you, yeah, for sure. But I would like to see how close it gets, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe, oh, you know what would be kind of cool? This would be a fun floatplane exclusive. Doing a, like, a pre-script review, like, a notes, from notes, okay? I go into a script review, or I script a video based on notes or something like that,

Starting point is 03:46:23 and then I feed it into GPT-4. And you host both of them? And I host both of them and see if people could guess which one was which. I think they'll be able to get it just because I think the way that you write for yourself is going to be unique, but it would still be very interesting. But I could also tell it I want it in the style of Linus Tech Tips. And it's going to have an enormous body of data i mean would it even i don't even know if it could sit it has a little bit of a signature in my opinion um okay but and like there's the that's part of you know those tools that try to detect ai written things they're trying to yeah right yeah so i i still think it's super interesting, but yeah, I

Starting point is 03:47:09 Know you do here's a merch message that I curated Every week there's more to talk about with chat GPT and other machine learning and AI stuff I'd love to see a regular podcast with Luke and maybe guests talking about this rather than having Linus keep cutting it off I don't know how many podcasts we need I also think some of the cutting off, I think has maybe been a little too aggressive, but I think some of the cutting off has also been good. Like I don't want this show to become the AI podcast show. That's why.

Starting point is 03:47:36 And I don't want us to talk about everything. The reason why I pushed it last week was just, those were actually insane, massive, huge moves. And then this week, I wish I had more information on it because it might have been an interesting topic, but I haven't used any of the plugins. And I've literally just seen article headlines. I've had no time.

Starting point is 03:47:57 It's been like, just full transparency, going to the washroom, flipping through Google News. That's all I have. I'm really interested in it too, actually but what I'm doing is I'm monitoring the audience and I'm being a voice for the people who are Maybe not as interested and feel like we should probably move on and talk about something else That's just fair and fine. I'm trying to help guide the show more than I

Starting point is 03:48:21 Am trying to shut him up about AI because we talk about it on our personal time. We don't even only talk about it on this show. It's true. And I don't tell him to stop talking about it when we're chatting about it. Yeah. So I get it. It's fine.

Starting point is 03:48:36 There's so many little things happening in the space too where if none of the big things were happening, maybe those things would be worth talking about all the time. Yeah. But because they're like... It's constant. If none of the big things were happening, maybe those things would be worth talking about all the time. Yeah. But because they're like... It's constant. Man, the plugin of Wolfram Alpha into ChatGPT is like, holy cow, that's actually crazy. Because one of its biggest flaws for a long time has been mathematical things.

Starting point is 03:48:59 So solving that is like... And solving that in just like, oh, we're done, is crazy! Like the jumps have just been wild. So when there's been these huge things, like literally to be able to report on all the stuff happening in the AI space, you would need a channel releasing videos every single day. And I know that because there are some already.

Starting point is 03:49:27 It's actually just wild. Really, really wild. So, I don't know. I appreciate the comments. I've seen a bunch of people cheering me on in that regard, and I like that. I don't know the answer to this. Ryan says, as an OG floatplane sub, I would be happy to upgrade past my... You keep your status. I think I know where the question's going. Oh, okay upgrade past my you keep your status i think i know where the question is going oh okay so you keep your og we know that you were an og subscriber and we're not

Starting point is 03:49:51 going to take that away oh now if they upgrade can they later go you know what i really can't afford like ten dollars for four i can oh so you can always go back to three we're not we're not trying to, like... Yeah. Is that something you and I have talked about? I'm pretty sure. Okay, yeah, sure. Okay, so if you're OG, you're OG forever.

Starting point is 03:50:13 Someone mentioned something in... Maybe this should be offline. I don't know. It's like, f*** at this point, right? Somebody mentioned something in Floatplane today saying that if OG members on the og tier upgrade Maybe they should get like an emote oh And I thought it would be really funny if we had like a floatplane blue money bag emote

Starting point is 03:50:40 So what we're just going we're going full like gacha. We're going full like I don't think it should be whales I don't know if we should do it at all. We've got moneybag emotes I don't know if we should do it at all and if we do it it shouldn't be like Much it shouldn't be that different. I'm down for one emote. That's what like and I don't yeah sure why not well We'll see if people are strong objectors. We'll hear that. We're both tired right now. It was hilarious how many people thought we were serious about paywalling dark mode on the site behind an even higher $25 a month tier. We were joking. We were joking.

Starting point is 03:51:17 The reason why we were laughing about it was because it was funny. Not because we're maniacs, like evil evil people making money is good that means we can expand teams we can grow we can do cool things we can build a better service but we don't need to be like just holes about like we don't have to do douchey things we have a design for dark mode and it looks sick we are not in a state to to release it this second there's also a bunch of just like browser plugins that can bring dark mode to flow plane for you very effectively and very easily so there's that option as well um we'll get to it when we get to it and when we do get to it everyone will have it speaking of evil though we do have

Starting point is 03:52:02 some nft plans that we're going to be coming out with in the near future and i think you guys are going to be really excited about them some people um some people have expressed concern about the creation of nfts but then i was talking to you and you said there might be some way that's more like eco-friendly to make them now my understanding is there's a non-power sucky way to do it we'll like make just for the people that are inevitably just freaked out when they heard that we'll make sure that if we're going to do it it's in like a it's fine kind of way uh and we want to be extremely clear that we're doing it for a joke. Oh Hold on a second

Starting point is 03:52:46 We will take that conversation offline. Oh You wanna make actual NFTs for like actual reasons? Well, hold on hold on hold on here. Can I just hold on hold on? I know what you're gonna type. No no no no no no no no Oh boy Hold on hold on hold on hold on I think I'm at AJ just sent me a message. This is moving way too... Hold on, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, Systems as a service obsolete Crazy processing they'll be able to like edit them and stuff. It's it's actually gonna be nuts No, I know I'm trying to like make it less clear what we're doing oh I see yeah Okay, all right, okay, so

Starting point is 03:53:38 We're usually yeah, just just just actually like extremely good at that. Yeah, well, we're both just really tired well It'll actually be like fine and cool. It'll be interesting. You'll like it. Yeah, you will like it. Yeah Yeah, yeah, like it's actually fine. I know that might seem far Okay, I thought I totally misunderstood you okay Okay whale coin Yes Good I don't even want to joke about this stuff people are gonna think it's serious We could make a thing called like a float buck a float, but if you are tethered to one US dollar a float buck. A float buck? And it's tethered to one US dollar? If you upgrade past the OG tier you like get the difference in float bucks every

Starting point is 03:54:31 month but then you can use float bucks on literally nothing. You just invented cryptocurrency. And they're not tradable. Oh my god they're not even tradable. You just have them. It's just a number that goes up for no reason. You just have the biggest dragon hoard. So it's like a voluntary extra amount you can pay on top of your subscription, and it just is a number next to your username. Okay, it's fun. You literally just buy Epeen. It's entertaining to think about these like horrible evil systems.

Starting point is 03:55:03 It doesn't mean we're gonna do it. That one's actually a pretty good idea. That one's funny. It's hilarious. So you just, it's like, it's like post count on a forum. It means absolutely nothing. You have no actual credibility. No indication of quality. Yeah, all you've demonstrated is that you post a lot. All you've demonstrated is that you dump

Starting point is 03:55:25 money into a furnace a lot it reminds me of the like which like thank you the furnace the furnace is what drives this engine yeah we're grateful for it yeah yeah but that number does not mean that like you're smart or capable call this call the system number go up or something. System number go up? Oh man, float plane's freaking out. They want large EP. Luke, they want it. Give it to them! Why?

Starting point is 03:55:55 Because then you could have even more developers in even more time zones. Developers, developers, developers. Oh man. Black Aura asks, Linus, in your early years, didn't you spend a lot of time helping people on forums? Yeah, for sure. But my post count wasn't what made me credible.

Starting point is 03:56:14 Yeah. Even if he had a ton of posts, which I'm sure he did, that's not the thing itself that made him credible. Well, NCIX Forum actually had a particularly toxic way of handling post count. On the side, they had they had to like leaderboards for all-time post count and Oh and monthly post count oh Yeah, so

Starting point is 03:56:37 There was nothing for quality. That's a way to there was no upvotes is to generate garbage Because people will fight for that and they'll fight for that by being like nice post Like that's it like it was a very active forum. Yeah, I Was often on the leaderboard and without doing that I spent a lot of time on forums Yeah, I told you probably did have a lot of posts. I've always been a lurker for that kind of stuff Yeah, no, I was big into like NCIX forum I told you he probably did have a lot of posts. I've always been a lurker for that kind of stuff. Yeah. I was big into, like, NCIX Forum. All right, hit us.

Starting point is 03:57:11 All right, this next one's from Mitchell. Linus and Dan, not Luke. Have you ever seen the new Sonos era speakers, and do you think they will find their way into your current ARC setup? All right, I understand why you said not Luke now. Nice. Good looking out. I'm on this one. ARC setup? All right, I understand why you said not Luke now nice good looking out

Starting point is 03:57:31 Arc setup oh oh oh oh arc soundbar sorry I was thinking Intel arc Sonos everything's called arc these days are these the ones that have Bluetooth or something like that like what what are these hold on a second? Let me just a lot of money have a quick. Oh, okay. Sorry. I'm gonna yeah Yeah, we were both working on it. With next level audio that hits from every direction. Wow, that is quite the... Wow! Wow, Dan! That is quite the claim, don't you think? It hits from every direction.

Starting point is 03:57:58 Audio files. Yeah. More connected to your audio... What even is this thing? I don't understand. What am I even looking at? It's a circle. It's a... is this two of them

Starting point is 03:58:14 Make the whole room the sweet spot. That's not how that works. Oh my goodness. It's got a lot of drivers in it The central center tweeter fills the room with dazzling vocals. Oh, that's how that works Surround sound so it's surreal i mean yeah uh probably not i i have no intention of going surround in my arcs oops sorry uh but um hold on i have no intention of going surround in my arc setup um do you also have an arc soundbar uh i can't remember which one i stole i think it's the lg one that i did the short circuit oh okay yeah so let's just say as part of a you know whatever soundbar setup um my home theater with uh what what is it 7.4.2 at most in it is literally 20 paces from where my arc soundbar is if i need if i'm if i'm in it for the cinematic experience i will go into the home theater and like my kids friends who are hanging out in the rec room do not need that so no that's where i'm at how about you dan do you have surrounds on your soundbar uh yeah they're all

Starting point is 03:59:19 garbage um i i wouldn't buy this because isn't sonos the company that like moonlights their old products and then you can't use them anymore because they're all like app connected? Okay, so they did have to sunset, I think is the word you were looking for, but it's okay, it's very late. They did have a controversy around that, but they, in my opinion, did pretty right by the community in the end. They just have two separate versions of the app, S1 and S2. And the legacy products only work on S1.

Starting point is 03:59:50 And they're not getting any new features or new updates or anything. But they work as they did, which is as it should be. And they went pretty reasonably into the back catalog of products and built-in support in S2. And, yeah, I actually am fairly happy with their approach to that. I don't know. All right. Next. What else we got here? This is from Alexander.

Starting point is 04:00:20 Would the there be a chance to see another launch of the Noctua XLTT edition fans or future coolers where the next generation of NH-D15 comes out? He's falling apart at the seams over there. You're doing great, Dan. I don't see why not. I could see future Noctua XLTT collabs, but we don't have anything in the works right now. I can tell you that much. This is from Adam. Hi, Linus and Luke.

Starting point is 04:00:48 What, if any, would be the certification in hardware or software you wish you would have gotten earlier in your career? I wish I had done... Oh, man, what's that? Like Microsoft Networking something one. Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't remember what it's

Starting point is 04:01:05 called but i wish i'd done that i wish i'd had a much much better understanding of networking going into this yeah some networking stuff would be interesting i i don't care about any of the certs in particular personally like i'm not like oh i wish i had a cert oh yeah i was gonna say when you were talking i was gonna say like please don't say CompTIA plus We've had a we've had a video like in the back pocket for years It's been an idea for me to take the the CompTIA plus yeah, and like see if I see if I can even pass it You'd destroy it for sure You just have to remember a lot of very old things. I remember like when I hadn't seen

Starting point is 04:01:44 Like IDE drive in like five to eight years i looked at some like current generation comptia documentation they're talking about ide drives i was like really in fairness a lot of repairs are gonna be like at that time i was in repairs like okay that's fair yeah i don't know um yeah i don't care about the individual certs knowing more through doing certs about i'm gonna steal your answer but networking would have been nice um but yeah that's about it okay uh this is from dustin linus and luke if you could each make one product for the LTT store, even if it would never sell, what would it be? Oh, the cat teaser. The highest quality cat teaser of all time.

Starting point is 04:02:37 Give me a second. How about a CPU chiller? I'm computing. Oh, yeah, I guess any kind is pretty... A car? I don't know um i do really like our like high-end products that is something that i'm into the screwdriver in particular is pretty sweet a case really i'd be kind of sick okay i have pretty strong feelings about cases someone asked me recently about one of my computer builds and i don't have as many photos like you do but for an

Starting point is 04:03:12 actually pretty long time at this point i've got youtube videos um so i looked it up because i was like maybe there's a video on that and there was and in that video i'm talking about i'm using the case that i'm currently i'm not necessarily because I'm super happy about it, but because there aren't any that I'm that into right now. So you'd want to do a Luke case. Yeah, I am pretty into the Fractal North case. It's really cool. So it wouldn't be the Colbar then? I mean, come on! It's the obvious joke, I had to make it!

Starting point is 04:03:43 Yeah, that's fair. That's fair But no yeah, there's there's probably a few tools that I'd be into but I think having a case designed by our team would be like Really cool Okay, I'd be pretty into that Okay next up is from Cornelius this one looks like it's about me yo Dan I'm someone who's getting into making, mixing, and mastering music. What a coincidence. Who would have curated this merch message about you?

Starting point is 04:04:13 It wasn't me. I was outside. I think it's me. Single core processing speed. Definitely. The way that DSP processing works is you can't really split and multi-process cores. You can do it in some instances with VSTs and other things like that, but the final audio chain needs to be single-threaded.

Starting point is 04:04:32 Otherwise, it can't keep the samples in lockstep. Another thing is really, really good USB driving chips if you're using outboard gear. If you've got a Matty PCI card, it doesn't matter. So single core speed is your big thing. Don't be like me and buy a Threadripper because you think you're smart. And then 48 cores ain't good enough to

Starting point is 04:04:54 make music because the cast latency is too high. Whoops! Also, I have a thing to put up on screen right now. I was going to say, should we end it at 11.59 just to troll them? You have 50 seconds to make that call., let's know we got a fish all right Up next this is from Trevor Luke line is this the same Trevor W that I see like everywhere Do you place multiple orders per week or they're just a bunch of Trevor W all lowercase?

Starting point is 04:05:22 users Cuz I'm starting to if I start to recognize you in the merch message queue, you got a problem. I hope Trevor W is coming to LTX. I hope Trevor W introduces themselves as Trevor W. I'll see you there. 20 seconds. Do we wait?

Starting point is 04:05:42 What do we do? Do you want me to end the stream? No. Yeah, no, no. We're doing it. We're doing it. I mean, no, no, we're continuing to finish the merch messages. Oh, I see. All right. Sure.

Starting point is 04:05:53 We're both like, we gotta keep doing the thing. Three, two, one. Happy new WAN show day. We did it. Saturday WAN show. We posed for a thumbnail midstream I'm tired Okay

Starting point is 04:06:09 Luke, Linus, and Dan What is your go-to fast food or quick takeout For when you're too busy to eat at home Luke might have to answer As he would have before he was chicken and rice Luke I've been chicken and rice Luke oh oh chicken rice Luke for a hot my whole life you adopted the chicken and rice I was born and I can't do Bane but

Starting point is 04:06:32 you get it oh by once oh my twice oh my chicken not rice with rice yeah so what sorry what's the question what's your go to fast food or quick takeout oh anw chipotle or equivalent there's like mucho burrito locally that's kind of like chipotle but cheaper i've been enjoying chipotle because when you get a bowl like the the like emergency meal that we had yeah last night was chipotle yeah because when you get a bowl you can actually configure it in a pretty decently healthy way,

Starting point is 04:07:08 in my opinion. It doesn't feel too bad. Yeah. Because whenever you're doing, if you're succumbing to fast food, it's usually like a least worst. Yeah. In my opinion.

Starting point is 04:07:20 If you're paying attention to that at all. No. Yeah. In that case, whatever. Well, okay. To be clear, if I feel like physically ill after, to that at all. No. Yeah. In that case, whatever. Well, okay, to be clear, if I feel physically ill after, then that's bad. I won't eat at McDonald's.

Starting point is 04:07:30 I can't... Okay, yeah. I know not everyone is this way. I get that from McDonald's. I feel horrible. Well, you know what it is? It's when you haven't eaten there in a while. Yeah.

Starting point is 04:07:39 If I eat there regularly, it's fine. I have no problem with it. I used to be... That was my go-to, was the McDouble and a junior chicken. Cause it was like less than $4 for two burgers. Like you never get the fries, never buy the drink. Cause that's where all the margin is. You just get the two and you could, you could ask, I don't know if you can do it anymore,

Starting point is 04:07:59 but it used to be that you could add tomato and it actually didn't cost any extra. Or it was like, it was like 15 cents or something like that. Like it was trivial. So you could add stuff to them. And the policy was that it was, it was considered customizing it as opposed to something that you could pay extra for. Cause it was off menu.

Starting point is 04:08:17 And so it was easier for them to manage it by just putting it on for you. So I would add tomato to the junior chicken. And then what would I add to the McD? I can't remember remember but i would like add stuff and they were like pretty okay and when i was doing it regularly it didn't bother me but then i went like a few months without eating mcdonald's and i went back and i just like had my go-to i just it wasn't because i'd made a conscious decision i just didn't and i went back and i had my go-to and i was like i cannot finish this yeah i cannot finish either of these, let alone both of them. How on earth did I do this?

Starting point is 04:08:47 I mostly feel it afterwards. But yeah, if I'm not caring at all, it's usually Wendy's. Oh. But I honestly think our fast food up here is trash. What? A&W is good. No. No.

Starting point is 04:09:01 Those are fighting words. Yeah. What's wrong with the teen burger? Have you spent time in America? What? No. Those are fighting words. Yeah. What's wrong with the teen burger? Have you spent time in America? What? Well, no. American A&W is disgusting.

Starting point is 04:09:14 It's a completely different restaurant. I'm not referencing that. Oh. When I was down in Arizona visiting my grandpa. Oh, sure. The place we were staying at had no way to cook. So we were eating out all the time. Got it. And there was a lot of work to do.

Starting point is 04:09:28 Sure. So there wasn't a lot of time to sit sit down in restaurants so we were getting drive-through quite frequently and we were getting a lot of in and out specifically okay damn and i'll see americans clown on in and out be like in and out trash this other insert name is so much better and it's like yeah okay but compared to our stuff isn't in and out be like in and out trash this other insert name is so much better and it's like yeah okay but compared to our stuff isn't in and out the one we went to at ces that one year right after we landed i think in and out's the one that i don't even like oh i don't know i don't know oh okay okay tell you what tell you what okay i might be biased as well because when when you walk by the windows in and out you can they have whole potatoes and they chop them for the fries and they have like five guys does that whole tomatoes and stuff so like i think my brain is like this is better maybe i don't know i'm just saying that could be an influence i'd have to try in and out again

Starting point is 04:10:13 because i i think that there's one that's like known for being really amazing and i went there and i was like this is this is really not that great is that the one with the animal style like five guys is really good um that one i've had five guys once and it was good like vera's is good but i don't even consider five guys vera's like in a note in a note if it's the place that i thought i went like took a long time like it wasn't that fast i went through drive-thru every time when i was okay right it was quick um what i'm gonna say yeah maybe sometime when you're going to the states yeah like have a and w on your oh no before you go to the oh sure plane okay i know it's different american and it's disgusting have a and w here and then like when you land sure go in and out all right they're like close

Starting point is 04:10:54 to each other all right okay more um aj always more you guys often joke about Colton being fired. Yeah. And I know that started when he got LTT two copyright strikes in a row. Yeah. Can you say what actually got those videos striked? I replied to this. I didn't. Colton did. Curate this. Yeah.

Starting point is 04:11:15 He striked them. He literally pressed the button to claim a copyright takedown against our own channel. Yeah. That's... Nice. When we say, he copyright striked the channel, we... There's no extra steps. There's just... Yeah.

Starting point is 04:11:32 Do do do do do do do do. Strike. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do are still on Floatplane, and how do you think you can incentivize them to move on to a profitable plan? I curated this one. Come on, let's go. How do I incentivize them? We just make the plans sick. There's a lot of OG subscribers still. I don't know off the top of my head,

Starting point is 04:11:55 but the idea is we just have to make it worth upgrading. And one of the ways that we shot ourselves in the foot is the video and audio quality on the OG tier is pretty darn good. Especially with that new NVIDIA upscaling thing. Yeah, it looks great. Yeah, when you guys launched that video, I was like, darn. Look, okay, my thing is whether I'm invested in Framework or whether I have a video streaming platform or whatever it is, or whether I make my money through online ads.

Starting point is 04:12:28 Okay, well, fine. I'm still going to talk about other brands of laptops. I'm still going to talk about the benefits of paying less money to a streaming service. And I'm still going to talk about Pihole. That's my job. I completely support and would fight for your right, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I just, the like business part of my brain the second. I saw that video was like Yeah, but you know what that business part of your brain. You don't listen to it anyway That's and and if your business part of your brain agreed all the time with what I was doing

Starting point is 04:12:59 I don't think you'd work here Yeah, probably not oh work here yeah uh probably not oh there's no incomings holy we did it oh my god uh this next one's from tyler um somebody else is making them about me tonight hello dan what is an audio engineering tip you wish you knew during your novice phase um also known as constantly and forever. I would probably say, I've mulled this one over for a bit now. You're not learning how to mix or make good audio, you know, from the mechanical standpoint of like, which knob do I turn? And how do I make this waveform look properly? What you're doing is developing an intuition on kind of how it's sounding now and where I can massage it into where it needs to be, right?

Starting point is 04:14:00 It's kind of, it's more like, I tried to explain this to somebody else the other day. Audio is not like drawing. It's more like clay sculpture. You don't start with your sketch and then your outline, that sort of thing. Right. You have this lump and you push it and squish it until it's done and you never really know when it's done and so everything you're doing is based on that intuition and whoever's intuition is doing your mixing or your audio or anything like that it's all kind of that's where your signature sound is and that's kind of where your your skill is is just that intuition. And that's constantly evolving. And so the other thing I wish I knew is that you're a novice forever.

Starting point is 04:14:52 That's it. You don't get good. Nice. I love how it's called mastering when actually everybody's a novice. Okay, well, here's a 45-minute rant. Where's the bell, Dan? Here's a 45-minute rant on the history of the term master. Whatever.

Starting point is 04:15:13 That's my thing. All right. Oh, there's another merch message. Do you guys like my, sir, they've just hit the second channel meme? I was surprised by how many upvotes it got on the subreddit. I hope it brought you some joy during the stress. Yes. Yeah.

Starting point is 04:15:28 It was good. All right. The memes were good. Let's get through them. They're coming in. They're still coming in, so we need to get through these before people can keep buying things. Hi, Lemus and Luke. I'm currently working as an advanced repair agent at Geek Squad, and I was wondering,

Starting point is 04:15:39 how do you feel about the Geek Squad as a whole, like, to call us diet IT consultants? We've also had in our back pocket the idea of secret shopping geek squad like forever we just keep not getting around to it i don't know because i haven't used geek squad ever so i want to try it basically i wish the agents had more autonomy to be able to do more things um i departed there right when they started doing the like you take a client computer, you put it in the back, you plug in an ethernet cable, and a remote team fixes it. And that was, that disgusted me. I liked it when we could fix things ourselves. Oh, it needs a hard drive

Starting point is 04:16:18 replacement. Ship it off so someone else can do it. It's like, I can replace a hard drive in a laptop, bro. Like, let me do it yeah um i don't know i liked the old days when geekstar was not a part of best buy like they it was in best buy but it was its own company that operated physically within best buy i liked that a lot more once it was purchased by best buy i worked there then and then i had to leave i don't remember why i went to university or something then i worked there again afterwards once it was part of Best Buy, and it was worse. And it was significantly getting worse as my exit happened. So I don't know.

Starting point is 04:16:52 Okay, next up is from Eric. Hey, Linus, you're into data preservation. With libraries and Internet Archive under attack, have you given any thought to your role? Data preservation nonprofit, Internet Arch archive mirror linus library yeah big part of the reason that we haven't really done um as much as i would like to is just focus um i'm gonna just make a little memo for myself we just hired a community manager and i would love for part of this individual's role so they're going to work on the social team but i'd love for part of this individual's role, so they're going to work on the social team, but I'd love for part of this person's role

Starting point is 04:17:27 to be to really engage with some of the initiatives that have kind of been left alone by us and not really driven by us, just like they're active. Like the folding team on the forum, for example, it's there, but we don't really do much with it. And I'd like to see us do more so like folding Events to fundraise for data preservation Etc Yeah

Starting point is 04:17:56 This one this one got I probably shown to screen and that makes sense But someone someone messaged in and said go to bed luke has been streaming for half the night very funny that is very funny actually but um i think we owe you something in return dan i missed wow another thing i fail at you go. I was thinking about it. I was thinking about it. It's all the way over there. This one is not a question, so I'm going to skip it. Wait, did you curate that? No. Who curated that?

Starting point is 04:18:36 I didn't curate that. Who curated that crap? Oh, we need history on this. You've been called out. This is from Timothy. Hopefully this sneaks in. At Dan, rooting for your remaster of the Christmas album. Hopefully Linus doesn't notice this. Uncurious.

Starting point is 04:18:51 Archived. Archive. Archive. Okay, next up is from Luca. Good evening, Linus. What do you think about YubiKeys as part of your IT security concept? Would definitely be a good video topic as well. They're a good idea, but any security factor that is so inconvenient

Starting point is 04:19:07 that people will find a way to work around it is not a good security factor. So the earlier YubiKeys that we had... We've had YubiKeys for like eight years. Faded out of use because they came out around the time that laptops started going USB-C only and iPhones didn't really support NFC. And so there was like 30% of my devices, for example, didn't work with it. And so I would have to like run to another device. Like I don't have time for that.

Starting point is 04:19:34 So I switched over to Google Authenticator at that time. I would love to reimplement physical security factors. I think that they're a really excellent idea, but they're not necessarily the best for every individual in every role. So we just got to figure out, and by we, I mean Luke, figure out, what our plan looks like. And if this is part of it, then yeah, I'm back on board because I do think they're great. Okay. And our last one from the night. Can we get any details on the PDF? I know a lot of security researchers would be

Starting point is 04:20:06 interested in analyzing it and the PDF viewer. It is not a PDF. It was just called.pdf.something. I highly encourage you to check out the Theo Joe video that was referenced in the video that Linus hosted. It's very good. And he talks about the attack vector and how to identify it and the complications with identifying it. There was another question at some other point. Oh no, it was this one. Yeah, it wasn't a PDF, right?

Starting point is 04:20:36 It was a.scr. It was a screensaver file, but it runs with similar permissions levels of an executable. So you can wreak havoc on computers. There's also like.com. And I'm pretty sure it was theo joey mentioned this i haven't actually watched that video in a while um but he mentioned the comments though uh he commented about how based on how you word the the title You could make it so that like,

Starting point is 04:21:06 so and so company brand integration for Linus Tech Tips featured on youtube.com. And it's a.com file. Right. But it looks like you just don't have file extensions on and they did youtube.com. Right. So like there's a bunch of them.

Starting point is 04:21:24 And yeah, try to educate yourself if you can, watch that video. It's good, and that's it We will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel. Bye different day Whoa what this is new look at him go it has every merch message from the show no, that's just the cute So there's a fixed time that the queue runs for? Yes. And there was so many of them in the queue that it was just like... There was 102 in that short little blip there.

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