The WAN Show - PC Gaming is Officially the BEST! - WAN Show November 26, 2021

Episode Date: November 29, 2021

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I'm having second WAN show. But we didn't actually really talk about a ton of tech news or what's going on in the tech community on the last show. Then again, half the time, we don't talk about that on regular WAN show either. Okay, the point is,

Gamers Nexus bought what I guess is, is called a scam prebuilt from iBuyPower with a 10-year-old GPU in it. So we're going to be talking a little bit about that. Microsoft and Qualcomm seem to be determined to make each other's platforms less appealing. So we're going to kind of jump into that a little bit later. What else we got here today it's official the pc is the ultimate hardware of all time for gaming for game for gaming sure yeah nice nice also tesla is going to use footage that it records of you

that records of what's the road it records of you there's a new update to tesla's full self-driving driver's assistance program and it's an agreement uh to accept tesla can use footage from both outside and inside the vehicle brilliant who could have seen this coming let's go ahead and roll that intro all right ladies and gentlemen obviously we're gonna have to jump right into our first topic of the day pc gamer has reported on this surprise surprise games radar has support reported on this um the winner of the 2021 golden joystick award for the best hold on where is it best gaming hardware okay is the pc so there was some uh there were some there were some uh some nominees okay playstation 5 xbox series x xbox series s nvidia geforce rtx 3080 um nintendo switch oled wd black sn850 nv NVMe SSD. So this was the best gaming hardware 2021 shortlist.

And then there was ultimate hardware of all time to celebrate 50 years of gaming and ultimate game of all time. So the ultimate hardware of all time is the PC, which as much as I'm, you know, as obviously a lover of the PC gaming platform, as much as I,

you know, I get it. The best individual plant of all time is trees. Yeah, it feels just kind of like a puff award. Yeah. Okay, you know what? what hot take that's really stupid they they should have i kind of hate it they would have actually like platform or something

yeah it would have had to be platform because to say the ultimate hardware of all time you really do have to pick a piece of hardware because that means if you're going to say the pc is the ultimate hardware of all time then the pc has to go up against console yeah right and you could make the argument that in the early days um home consoles in a way were more revolutionary for gaming acceptance by the mainstream than PC gaming was. Oh, absolutely. I mean, the Nintendo entertainment system was such a move towards the mainstream.

The way the Game Boy, like portable gaming, ladies and gentlemen. Well, Nintendo kind of brought it back because it was declining there for a while. Yeah nintendo even had oh is it far away nintendo even had like the game and watch and stuff like that before before the game boy my game and watch was pre-game boy right like this is all before kind of my time i i my family i didn't have a game boy like that was not yeah gaming watch is is before that though yeah that was uh that was a uh an optional purchase that was not not gonna happen yeah my family yeah but um like to to put

pc up against console is kind of already kind of silly but to consider and how do you define ultimate too i i don't know it's like yeah you can do more with the computer there's there's kind of a reason why there's more computer-based twitch stream gamers sure our console ones yeah but like does that creative platform as well get more ultimate i don't know i don't i don't know that's a really tough um that's a really tough sort of question to answer like you know i might i might say say, okay, you know, what about the first GPU with like hardware TNL or something like that? Oh. You know, what about...

This is actually really funny. Sorry, I'm going to throw this in there. Gabe Newell accepted the award on behalf of personal computers. And there's a note here that I don't know who wrote this, but absolutely. to throw this in there. Gabe Newell accepted the award on behalf of personal computers. And there's a note here. I don't know who wrote this, but absolutely. I agree with them strongly. They say, and who better to accept the hardware award than a man who's famous for developing software? Like, this is the whole problem.

Gabe Newell's fantastic. He's done amazing things for gaming. He's done amazing things for the gaming community, the PC gaming community. Absolutely. Steam Deck looks super cool. Yeah, but let's not pretend it's purely amazing things for gaming. He's done amazing things for the gaming community, the PC gaming community. Absolutely. Steam Deck looks super cool. Yeah, but let's not pretend it's purely altruistic. Oh, not at all. Okay, cool.

Just making sure we're on the same page. And it's not... But he has nothing to do with gaming hardware. No. Like, I would have been far more... Well, in modern days, a little bit more, but like... Yeah, I would have thought it far more fitting if someone like Jensen was up there accepting it. Not that he likes talking about gaming that much anymore.

But it would have been more on the nose, for sure. The point is that you want to talk about gaming hardware. Yes, yeah. Like, he's been involved since the founding of NVIDIA, who is the only OG graphics accelerator company left. Still around, yeah. So, like, let's, you know, ATI purchased, and he's been there since day zero of Nvidia.

So if you're going to talk about, I just don't like it because it's very current branded. If that makes sense. I mean, I don't like it for a variety of reasons, but if you want to talk about someone who would be appropriate to accept an award on behalf of the PC gaming platform, I think I can't think of a better fit gaming hardware specific

gaming hardware so the whole problem is that it's not called platform right right because he's also pushing software pretty hard now with yeah yeah uh geforce now and stuff like that okay geforce now is a very hardware heavy thing you just sell it as a software anyways it's it's literally we're not going to sell you the hardware it's yeah it's avoiding gaming it's hardware as a software service yeah so i don't know luke i don't know man on the other hand we have the ultimate game of all time yeah so how do you choose an ultimate game? That's tough. That's tough.

There's a big part of me would jump to like category founders. Sure. Okay. So you would go and you would say, okay, Legend of Zelda for NES as like sort of the first. You could think of it as kind of like the first open world you know game i don't know if there's anything open world before that uh what is it called like dragon quest or something uh dragon age jumped into my mind but that's not that sure is heck isn't it um dragon quest yeah i think it's called dragon quest theron theroni i'm just guessing at this uh you guys will know what i'm talking about in a little

bit the first dragon quest was 1986 okay the most recent dragon quest is is to be released soon they've been making them forever dragon's la Lair, OG Doom, Tetris. OG Doom. Honestly, the first thing that came to my mind was OG Doom. But then I was a little bit like, I don't know, because I like FPSs. Yeah. And I have to try to take my own personal preferences out of it. So I'm not entirely sure.

But something like OG Doom, where it kind of creates a category. Yeah. Everything for a long time is based on it it is still referenced all those types of things i could see something that was like super culturally relevant like uh like a pac-man or something like that yeah because that was that was massive for gaming because that was like the whole arcade scene thing like blah blah pong has some for obvious reasons pretty major first like home game uh like tetris has some insane records behind it i sure as heck wouldn't have picked dark souls

now to be clear it has some pretty intense i'm not hating yeah okay i'm not hating and and i'm speaking out of ignorance i have not played dark souls and maybe that should be my next game. Maybe I should play Dark Souls. But I think that it's fair to say that Dark Souls didn't invent... Games being hard. Anything. Yeah. And especially didn't invent games being hard. Dark Souls is a throwback to games being hard.

It's not inventing the idea of games being hard. It's far from the first roguelike. It's far from the first roguelike. It's far from the first difficult game. And if anything, previous eras of gaming are far better known for being infuriatingly difficult. Like there are arcade games. If you're a modern gamer and you didn't play back then, because I know what you're saying. I know there's literally games that are effectively impossible. To be.

I know. Yeah. Because you were saying. I know there's literally games that are effectively impossible. To be. I know. Yeah. But if you're... Because you were saying well-known for that. So if you're a modern gamer, if there's a difficult game, it is always compared to Dark Souls. This is the Dark Souls of FPS games.

This is the Dark Souls of something. Yeah. Sure. In modern relevance, it is extremely strong in modern relevance. Anytime anything is difficult i understand that but just because something is culturally relevant today does not mean of all time ultimate of all time ultimate of all time because you know i could make the argument again i have not played dark souls so fair enough. But I would personally make the argument that in terms of creating an immersive world is a far better example of what can be the art of game creation.

So something like a Breath of the Wild or a Skyrim or something like that would be easily there's a lot of claim arguably more important than this game that is known for being very difficult do you think it's i'm sort of stealing this from you i'm sorry do you think it's possible that they could have had an answer that wouldn't have pissed off the majority of people no yeah so if you were gonna just if you were you're just to use a random number generator anyway, then just don't have the award. And I honestly, if,

if I had to guess, I would say it's because they just wanted to do something different. They just wanted to say, it got us talking about it. Yeah. They wanted to say something. We wouldn't have talked about it if they'd picked Tetris or if they had picked a Zune or Unreal Tournament or like,

or something like if they had picked, cause like you could make a solid argument for something like Unreal Tournament. Unreal Tournament was a game changer for multiplayer. Multiplayer, online multiplayer. So you want to, so you want to talk about sort of moments in gaming,

right? Like Pong is so important because it brought gaming into the house right unreal tournament brought gaming over the internet multiplayer to the world like real tournament was was the first time that i think in a in an average gamer's repertoire the hardware on the isp level that was being provided to you was like common terminology used amongst friends. That's probably the only time that has ever been a thing. Like people were talking about what their

ISP was technologically capable of delivering to their house, not what they were currently receiving. This was very intense. ISDN, baby. People were paying to have lines brought to their house, which is not a huge thing right now a huge thing a child

okay at the time i paid i like i made a deal with my parents if they would pay the monthly subscription service because we had satellite tv we had no coax to our house if they would pay the monthly subscription i would pay out of my like allowance and money that I worked for to have the drop done to our house because it was like hundreds of dollars and they were like well we don't care we'll use dial up forever and I was like no please no no please no uh can is there any way that I can get faster internet and they're like like, well, we did get this quote. I was like, yes. It was probably, you know what's really funny?

I never thought about it this way, but that was probably my first big ticket purchase in my life was the cable drop for high-speed internet. That should tell you everything you need to know about me as a person. Because man, i was like 12 13 or something like that like i didn't have money yeah um that is so funny what was it was it for one thing in particular or is it just you just wanted better internet because dial-up it was for because you can't use it when your freaking mom's on the phone or whatever yeah it was for it was for being able to use the internet more often it was for playing

games um you you've met my friend tyson yeah yeah so he and i used to try and play games back in the dial-up days and his family had two phone lines so that he could like game a lot more than me which was good for him but not great for me um so so like we couldn like game a lot more than me which was good for him but not great for me um so so like we couldn't play a lot of the time so it was for that as well and for Napster you know we had we had dial up and we also had I don't remember if this is the exact brand of it but you'll know kind of the category of what I'm talking about yeah we had dial up and we had net nanny nice nice got that net nanny it made it so that and this i'm literally not exaggerating and there's people that i knew including my brother and my dad and my mom and friends from that time that

know that i'm not exaggerating i would connect to runescape because i played runescape when i was a youngin um and it would take so long to load in once i was loaded in it actually wasn't that bad right it would take so long to load in. Once I was loaded in, it actually wasn't that bad. But it would take so long to load in that I could go downstairs. The computer was upstairs. Go downstairs, I could make a sandwich and some juice, eat the sandwich, drink the juice, and you know how slow I eat. You're the worst. It's amazing that he grew as large as he did

at the rate that this man eats. I wouldn't think it possible for him to consume calories at a rate greater than he can burn them yeah it's it's rough so like it that's a very substantial amount of time some people might think like oh it's it's quick no um and it would be like a bacon sandwich like i'd cook bacon like it this is a long this is a long time. So we're not talking like peanut butter on bread. No, no. This is a meal sandwich. A meal sandwich. I like that. And then I'd go upstairs and it would sometimes not even be done yet.

But somehow, and even when I was a kid, I was like, this is crazy. It wouldn't time out. It would just keep loading. It would just keep going. Five ever. Yeah. Eventually we'd connect and I'd be able to play. And eventually we convinced our parents to get rid of Net Nanny.

And we also had. We had the lines to our house. But we also had the conversations about like upgrading our internet and stuff. Luckily. Yeah. Our dad was a gamer. So it wasn't that difficult of a conversation. Helps.

Yeah. Oh man. Anyways. It's Dark Souls. Whatever. Yeah. I. Okay.

I think that we. If we're going to poo-poo someone else's choice then i think we have to come up with a better choice do you want to go first or do you want me to go first um ultimate game to agree no i don't think we have to agree i think i think we can i think we can push back on each other uh but i i don't think we have to agree because i've i've actually got one ready that i'm i'm not sure what your take on this is going to be especially in light of sort of the the current state of things um but okay i would make the argument if i'm going first i would make the argument for wow i had the thought. I wasn't going to say it, but I think in terms of moving mountains,

in a way, if you know what I mean by that, I think there's very few games that have done similar things. The amount of cultural impact is huge. Yep. The amount of people that played it, not as much these days, sure. Yep.

But at its peak, literally everyone I knew played yep and it's still millions huge it's constantly going down it's constantly going extremely poor management etc etc but it's still huge i don't i still wouldn't say the ultimate game of all time necessarily though personally but i understand the argument there's no perfect and i think there is no perfect okay so beat me then come up with a better choice yeah so i was i was gonna say doom doom doom really it's boring it is a boring choice it's a boring choice wow was definitely a more interesting choice i thought about wow too i just the reason why i think doom is it's even in the big gap, you know, before Doom 2016.

Yeah. And after the last one, whatever one that was. Yeah. Even in that big gap, Doom was still very culturally relevant. There were still people going like, whoa, I got it working on this toaster. Now, it's funny. Both of us seemed to gravitate to cultural relevance for our measure it's it's the ultimate game i think it has to be to a certain degree but does it couldn't the ultimate game just have

fortress amazing amazing music pretty amazing art direction amazing story doesn't an ultimate game have to have everything and to me to call doom ultimate in this day and age for how technologically limited and how by modern standards rudimentary it is and and to be clear i'm i'm making arguments against my own so are you only saying wow 2004 i am not yes i am talking about okay wow not what it's become okay okay okay i don't know i don't know it's so hard i don't know it's really difficult and the thing is that to to pick an ultimate game right it is inherently it's inherently sort of um within within the scope of your own experiences right like it's hard to detach yourself you know i i would i would love to say that you know uh final fantasy 6 is the ultimate game because in in my mind there are a

lot of things that it did as well or better than almost any modern game and it managed to do it in 1994 or whenever whenever it came out something something like that um you know that that incredible cast of characters like the the the story the music so good i if you can basically copy paste everything you said about that and apply it to wow 2004 and i kind of feel the same way yeah so like yeah i don't know and it's just for me wow has this extremely tarnished legacy which sucks but then sure does like a lot of so does a lot of the entire gaming industry yes so it's like which is part of why this conversation about what's going on at activision bl Blizzard is so important.

I was telling this story a few days ago about tattoos. I don't have any tattoos. I'm not against tattoos. Right. I just think I don't care. Okay, sure. Fair enough. And like, why bother get it if I just don't care?

But when I was younger, I like sort of maybe wanted one, but I couldn't decide on what I wanted. So I wasn't going to get something for no reason. Yeah. And I was like this really, really diehard fan of morrowind and oblivion so i was like maybe i should get the like the dragon yeah i was like that'd be thank goodness you didn't yeah yeah and the reason why i didn't was because at that time i luckily had the thought of like you know they're still making these i'm not gonna i'm not gonna do this if

if there's like this chance that they're gonna just ruin it yeah i love that i love that um that's great and you know what you know what's really funny is i can't claim to have had a similar thought but if there is a brand that I have ever fanboyed for harder than anything else, it would be Star Wars. Oh, I'm right! Oh, no. Yeah, exactly.

Right? Like, that's... How much would it suck to have, like... I mean, you know what, though? The thing about Star Wars is that at least if they're gonna... You can headcanon it pretty hard. Well, there's that. And at least if they're going to destroy it.

They destroy... The names and the logos for the new destroyed garbage is older. It's a little different. So if you have an OG Rebel Alliance tattoo on your shoulder blade or something like that... You know they're going to go to that timeline though. I bet you at some point. There's no way it's sacred. There's no way.

Yeah, nothing is sacred. Nothing is sacred. And I don't even want to hear it, Chad. The new Star Wars movies are objectively kind of garbage. And it's so disappointing, especially because I think Disney did such a great job with Marvel overall. I got to admit, post-Endgame, I'm kind of checked out on MCU. There's just been so much.

It's just kind of too much. And it felt like they did this amazing job of largest, you know, collab of all time and giving this this closure and then i just like i watched and now they still want the next one and i i forget what the next one was spider-man something spider-man far from home something like that something like that and i was just like yeah this is this is like entertaining and i watched black widow and i was like yeah this is entertaining probably all gonna be fine like the the MCU has a very solid base minimum, you know? But I'm just not that engaged.

And it's not even that like Iron Man was my like favorite Avenger or something. Like I'm an adult. I don't have a favorite color or like a favorite fictional character. Like I just don't really, I don't really engage with things that way anymore. The way that i used to like you might so i would say that i probably have a favorite

avenger but the amount that i care is extremely low if that makes sense sure okay okay you know what i i mean if we're gonna be completely off topic and talking about crap that totally doesn't matter anyway. Who is your favorite Avenger, Luke? Captain America. Okay. I knew it. I freaking knew it. I'm boring today. I'm boring today.

I picked Doom. I picked Captain America. I wanted to say it before you, but you said it so fast. I was like, gee, a blonde haired, blue eyed, freaking always stands up for the little guy. Yeah. I wonder who Luke would be a fan i like captain america he's cool i based my haircut off of him i love it yeah yeah i do actually know that wait no i thought you picked thor for your more recent haircut i tried and it

didn't work so i went back to captain america because it's who i really am oh my goodness all right yeah notice how it's short again yes yeah all right okay so i just kind of looked like a mess all right cap see but then yeah i don't actually really care so like there's there's that component all right fair enough like if he dies i don't even know he might be dead now i i haven't kept up with the movie yeah i think he dies of old age so it's like not gonna bother me so all right um i i you know what people are asking they're discussing my favorite my favorite marvel superhero i straight up do not have one i have least favorite ones i have ones that i just find intolerable but other than that i just don't really who's your least do we do we go down

my least favorite is superman and he's just boringly and and all variants of superman there's a lot of them yeah so there's there's a lot of superman like captain marvel is superman superman is superman like it's just it's not interesting um i like i i tend to i tend to like you know your batmans and your uh i guess iron man to an extent like the ones that are just like a person yeah with no particular special powers bulletproof yeah and everything else proof bulletproof is not interesting because a lot of the a lot of the interesting conflicts that can happen are with you know the grunt level soldiers so being able to just mow them down by whipping out your laser eyes it just it creates this sort of um disposability you also have and i think think the MCU might be running into this,

but I don't care enough to know, so whatever. Yeah. You have a power ramp issue when you start fighting gods all the time, or godlike beings, or whatever you want to call them. Yes. You have this crazy power ramp issue. But if humanoid targets are always at least somewhat difficult... If they could conceivably take you down

yeah uh bite pond says batman and superman are not marvel characters yes but my point so captain marvel would be a terrible marvel superhero in my opinion because she's superman it's a yeah it's just the like incredibly overpowered and vulnerable more or less can fly has extremely narrow range of vulnerabilities a superman alike can go anywhere instantly and do anything is not interesting um so you know hulk is more more interesting to me i think the hulk's pretty cool i think in terms of like marvel heroes that i i find boring um you know i i think scarlett johansson did an amazing job of everything that she was given i wish she was given a slightly less crap hero to play um yeah yeah

because they and part of that is just a writing problem. They never really took advantage of her strength. Okay, I was just going to say, I like that style of quote unquote superhero though, because she is just a person and we were just talking about how that's cool, but I think she's underutilized. She was horribly, poorly written. Probably the best moment for her in the entire, like, I guess it's like 25 movies is sort of start to Avengers Endgame. I guess it's like 25 movies start to Avengers Endgame. The best moment for her is when

she's captured by someone supposedly and she's been hit and she's tied to a chair and she gets a phone call and she's like, look, I'm in the middle of an interrogation because they're telling her everything and I'm like, right,

that's what she's supposed to do. She's supposed to be stealthy. And then you've her like going toe-to-toe with the rest of the avengers on that stupid air uh airstrip and i'm like i think they could have used her like espionage side of things way much more yeah yeah so that that was extremely disappointing yeah uh anyway this is this is extraordinarily off topic do we have any other tech things that we can talk about uh are we done whatever topic we're currently on i i can't remember what we're talking about it's official pc is the ultimate hardware all the time okay so no it's not because that's really stupid and dark souls is also not because that's really stupid they're both they're both really stupid i'm sorry oh my

oh you you do you golden joystick all right what do you want to talk about next we can do this one just because it's fast sure we can offboard onto this onto sponsors maybe but tesla uh now to use footage it records of you essentially this is not a fast topic. We got to talk about this. Okay. For the full self-driving assistance program, in its agreement, it says that it's going to use footage from outside and inside the vehicle. While incident footage has been gathered before for AI training, the new agreement consents to Tesla's collection of VIN-associated image data. So if you get in a crash while using it,la will have the footage from your car um so wow you spend an incredible amount of money for some incredibly extensive surveillance of you wow i can understand how this data would be useful oh yeah i'm also stunned because if i'm tesla i'm looking at it going

hey at some point a regulatory body is gonna come after me when there's some kind of collision and 16 16 people die we hit a bus yep it's all kids people care about kids a lot yep i need to cover my butt in terms of liability that is why this is happening full stop so don't imagine anything other than that this is about tesla protecting their own liability so that in the event that that happens, they are going to do absolutely everything they can to pin it on the driver. In our notes, there isn't a reason. So I can't even like really debate that because I can't think of... I mean, because it's full self-driving, that's the confusing part to me. Well, in full self-driving, you are still supposed to be hands basically on the wheel

right yeah so this is so there's like there's a number of problems here right there's the problem that tesla is still using that full self-driving and autopilot branding when neither of those things are either of those things. And the other problem is that people are using this technology, which is not validated. It's not fully cooked. And they're using it on public roads without any kind of, I mean, really anything. Like if I was an insurer at this point, would be trying to figure out you know if your car has has this kind of a feature i'd be trying to figure out what what impact that does or should have on your premium because if something goes wrong i don't even know who i'm gonna go after for it like it's getting it's going to get really complicated so electrek's website yeah says specifically that uh the fact that tesla added that language specifically related to safety

risks and accidents would point towards the automaker looking to secure usable evidence in case of an accident where its full self-driving system is blamed so yeah they're trying to use it against you well that's what electrek thinks as well essentially they're agreeing with you uh fantastic says they really just need to change the names yeah they really do because ultimately what's going to happen is people are going to make assumptions because people do not read detailed documentation on things okay in my defense on that whole deleting the desktop environment thing, that was terminology that even if I had read it, I would not have understood that I was removing my entire desktop environment. Or I might've if I was paying really careful attention,

but not when I was reading, like I was just doing something basic, like installing a program. I was reading like I was just doing something basic like installing a program. Anyway, anyway, the point is people don't read these things. They make assumptions based on the names of things. Like if I, okay, this product, okay? It's called the water bottle. Let's say, for example- It was actually a hammer.

It was actually, yeah, it was actually, I mean, it might be an okay hammer, but- It'd probably do all right. But at some point, I'm probably, in my use of it as a hammer, I'm probably going to make some kind of mistake that will cause damage to my hammer or myself. the water bottle hammers so that we could prove that when you know you break the vacuum seal and it causes some kind of a problem or something so that we could prove that it was because you were using it as a hammer instead of a water bottle or whatever um you know i oh man i wonder what happens if you cover the internal cameras oh i'm pretty sure that it's going to disable your your your self-driving oh sorry yeah it would have to yeah obviously

so then that's the thing too is like tesla is now pulling a bait and switch here because anyone who already paid for full self-driving and tesla has been selling full self-driving whether directly whether actually taking your money or or selling it as a future promise it'll work on this car for years now so they have effectively promised something whether it is future self-driving capabilities for your vehicle that you can upgrade to, or whether it is an actual software package that you have paid them for, they have promised this under a set of conditions that is no longer accurate. So you could make the argument, and they got sued recently actually over someone buying a version of a Tesla vehicle that that tesla said would be compatible with full

self-driving that they then went back to them and said well it's compatible in the sense that you can buy this hardware pay for new hardware in order to upgrade them they're like uh actually no that isn't what you said so they're being sued for that i believe right now um but i could see i could see this going class action and i could see people suing them saying well look i wouldn't have made this purchase if i had realized that having a camera pointed at me that is feeding data obviously feeding data onto your server whether they admitted it before or not i actually don't remember but it was obviously doing it so this is feeding data onto your server that monitors me while I'm in a, my understanding is, at least in many jurisdictions, a private place. I didn't know they had.

Inside your car. It is, yeah. It is. I didn't know they had internal cameras at all, personally. Oh, yeah, they do. I just didn't know that. Yeah, they're to monitor driver attentiveness. But the claim, my understanding is, the claim in the past has been that it's locally handled that it's just

monitoring driver attentiveness oh they might just be changing that it might not send it yeah yeah right oh i see what you mean so either way yeah if i bought this car based on my understanding that it worked as a local attentiveness monitoring thing then effectively that could be an enormous class action you could i could see people potentially getting refunded for the full self-driving module if you get or not even that remember the vehicle as well if you bought the vehicle on the basis of this perceived upgrade path, even if you don't own a full self-driving module. You might make the argument that I spent an extra X. I spent an extra $8,000 on a Tesla because my understanding was that I was going to have full self-driving that did

not involve a camera pointed at me and reporting on me to Big Brother, this could be freaking enormous. Enormous. It could be freaking enormous. AJ says they were saying that it was disabled and would be utilized for the self-driving taxi feature in the event of vandalism IRC. This is a big problem with Tesla, is they just...

Yeah, they change stuff. I mean, we know who's the problem, right? They just talk out their butts and then the story changes and the Teslala fanboys and apologists just say oh but it's okay because they're changing the world they're building the future right but the ends don't justify the means like we actually do need to have integrity about this future that we're building otherwise is it one that we really want to live in is a question we should be asking ourselves another question is is this the ultimate car scandal of all time i'm kidding it's not no there's been some pretty big car scandals i don't think on the previous time there's a single

automaker that is faultless i mean we've all seen the how many people is it going to kill versus the cost of the recall calculations? Yeah. You know, every corporation past a certain size, as far as I can tell, is basically monstrous. Yeah. So. Yep, that's the thing. Clem says no, that would definitely be Nikola. Nikola Motors.

Where they, like, actually had nothing. And they were claiming they had, like, a semi that worked. But actually they actually they like rolled it down a hill and stuff you didn't follow that about those guys yeah wait what happened that was like the theranos of cars they yeah they just as far as we could tell they had absolutely nothing did they take like investment money or something okay yeah i remember hearing about i like i probably saw that video of that truck rolling down the hill uh but yeah that's it yeah oh man anyways sponsors yeah we should definitely do sponsors um who who sponsored the show today i'm sure someone did whom Our first sponsor,

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Datam says, why is your shipping to the eu so expensive because the eu is super far away yeah we're so our average markup on shipping is i think somewhere in the neighborhood of five percent right now or are we even making money on oh it's negative 10 now uh we're trying to fix it okay it's supposed to be his his margin target for shipping is 10 so that we'll have like a slush bucket so that we can use to run ship you might have noticed we haven't run any shipping promos in a very long time that's because there's no slush bucket i didn't know we were losing money on shipping though cool did i know that okay well i've forgotten that i haven't was it his idea

um no okay someone's like can i recommend a warehouse nearby no you can't operating an additional warehouse is not going to help us save on overhead yeah no no that would just you'd just be paying for it in the cost of the product instead of paying for it in the shipping so you're solving one problem adding another oh man all right uh topic yeah why don't we get back to the topics that was a very disruptive thing ah yes it is wonderful so now i can say words and damn uh hopefully i just tried out my new swear bleep button so we're gonna see we're gonna see if that worked oh man i love this show that's why that's why this show is so great. Okay. Everett H asks for an update on the Kickstarter hammer.

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GPU prices are going up again. Oh, shoot. the timing is apparently off for the beep oh oh boy okay well um linus please this is a christian stream oh no okay well i thought i was bleeping it that's extremely unfortunate there's a delay from when you press the button that's a pretty rough system. Thorny green. This is not a green screen. Is there any ETA on it being like not this? No, there's no ETA on that, but it's definitely not a green screen.

Yeah. It just looks not great. Oh my goodness. Oh, people want the code. People want the code for the discount. Okay, we got to sell some Linus meme. You got to buy your meme products. Meme face products here.

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topic. Sure. Oh, my goodness. People aren't even tuning out. They seem to be enjoying the technical difficulties more than the show itself. The fire. Viewership's going like this. The fire. No, put out the fire. No, more fire. No, enough fire. More fires, more viewers. We. The fire. Viewership's going like this. The fire. No, put out the fire. No, more fire. No, enough fire. More fires, more viewers. We need more fire. No, stop, stop.

Someone knock the wall down. No. Please. Speaking of more fire, GPU prices are going up again. I didn't even want to talk about this because it's just sad. No, just do it it talk me through it

a post on a board on the board channels forum indicates that amd prices are set to increase by 10 percent apparently this is mostly due to tsmc foundry costs going up the next shipment of amd rx 6000 gpus should reflect the price increase of roughly 20 to 40 usd per card this cost is currently affecting uh add-in board partners uh so if we're lucky that won't be passed on to the consumer lol uh there's not enough margin there's literally no chance yeah that is not a thing i'm gonna say that's a zero percent uh probability oh yeah. Yeah, that literally can't work. Like he was saying, the margins are so low, it's not going to happen.

There are rumors that AMD is switching from TSMC to Samsung. That would be really interesting. Yeah. I doubt it. Yeah, me too. I mean, going from one process node to another one like that is not... I mean, it's possible that AMD was already working on that. If it's been in the works for a while, then sure.

Yeah, but I doubt they're trying to figure out how to dual source their current products. That's probably going to be something that's more like rdna3 or something like that yeah a lot of their recent success has been working with tsmc absolutely that's very true a lot of a lot of everyone's recent success has been working with tsmc i think you can pretty much draw a line in between people with recent success and people who don't work with tsmc with this news coming off the heels of the 10 price hike humor or sorry rumor uh it it may be that amd simply can't afford to continue using tsmc that one i'm not so certain about but it would definitely eat margins really badly yeah and i can understand why they would want a price hike um samsung is apparently building a new 17 billion dollar

advanced chip plant in texas an estimated production start date of 2024 it will also as far as my understanding goes take them a fair amount of time to like warm up to their full capabilities yeah um and they could make apparently chips as advanced as three nanometer dang whoa dang whoa three nanometer sounds pretty good that's that's very few nanometers that is a very small that's a very small number that is a 100 confirmed very small amount of yeah no that's not that's not enough nanometers quite frankly we need more i think i need more nanometers i mean why do we accept three nanometers when we could have 35 nanometers yeah i'm cheesed well maybe 35 is too much i think 14 is the right number of nanometers

the exact perfect amount let's go back to 14 never move off of let's have 14 nanometers forever forever oh boy okay so yeah that's a thing that's sad yeah that's like really disappointing but also basically has already been happening this is just in my mind yeah uh amd and tsmc just clawing back some of the value that had been scooped up by bottom feeders later on in the chain. I mean, this comes back to a conversation we had more recently where we talked about, okay, um, if a GPU is going to be a thousand dollars instead of $500,

who should get that money? Right. Should it be TSMC and AMD who like actually made investments and designed and built these things? Or should it be some scalper on Facebook Marketplace? If someone has to have it, I guess it should be like,

you know, the people putting the R&D into the product. So that at the end of the day, at least if it sucks for gamers today, in theory, it turns into bigger R&D budgets for better products for gamers in the future if capitalism is working correctly or hopefully more fab capacity or whatever that's exactly it yeah so so it can be reinvested yeah because some facebook marketplace you know scalper is

not reinvesting in any way other than to build a better bot so that they can scalp you harder next time yeah gamers nexus want to talk about this one yeah let's talk about gamers nexus buys a scam in quotes pre-built from ibuypower with a 10-year old GPU. Yikes. It's the iBuyPower Element Mini 167A for $700. It has a Ryzen 5 3600. It's 8GB of 3000MHz RAM, a 250GB SSD,

and a 2GB GT 730, which is a 730 in name only it is a fermi gf 108-300-a1 aka a gt 430 oh that wasn't even a good card when it came out um was that literally the card no i don't think so i don't think so you know what i'm talking about 10 or something or 240 you know what i'm talking about i know what you're talking about yeah yeah yeah um big yikes the amazon listing they bought it from uh had a bunch of mistakes like listing 16 gigabytes of ram one gigabyte hard drive and a four core processor what okay unsurprisingly this is the worst pre-built they've ever bought most benchmark games they use wouldn't even run. Games that did run had horrible performance.

The A&O performs better than this thing. Nice. A&EO. I got to confess. I kind of feel like this is sort of a water is wet. Yeah, like, wait, what? Revelation here. Because pre-builts with old crappy GPUs, many of which are rebranded,

even older crappy GPUs are not really a new thing. To be clear, I don't think iBuyPower should be marketing this as a gaming desktop at all. That's really stupid but this also isn't really anything new like i remember buying at future shop we talked about good old future shop not that long ago i remember you know buying something that the sales rep told us would be good for gaming when i didn't know anything about computers yet and finding out that it had onboard graphics like and remember this was back when intel's onboard graphics were not even like good onboard graphics. And remember, this was back when Intel's onboard graphics were not even good onboard graphics. I still remember going to the Future Shop in Langley back when Future Shop existed. Yeah.

And trying to find a graphics card with my dad. And going through all the different components that they had there and stuff. And the old art that used to be on graphics card boxes was so cool. And I know nothing about it. My dad luckily knew some stuff. So that was great. But, like, I knew nothing. So I was like, ooh, pretty box art.

I want this one. But, yeah, I don't know. This is very confusing. So the notes are talking about an Amazon article, which is, like, interesting. And then the link for the Element Mini is to the Microsoft Store, which seems to have things listed correctly in terms of specs. Yeah, I think that the big problem

is just that this GT 730 is a GT 430, which was garbage when it came out and is definitely garbage today and obviously doesn't perform very well. So the big problem here is calling things gaming when they are obviously not capable of gaming in any kind of modern sense. So that's... What's going on here though like is nvidia calling this card that is is i buy power just like stickering it like what's what's happening here

i don't fully i feel like i'm missing something am i just being dumb um yeah i mean it's all stuff so it's all stuff that's bad but none of it is new yeah so that's kind of that's kind of where i'm at on this okay okay yeah okay and you know honestly at 600 us dollars it's not exactly a great deal or anything but it's not like you aren't getting you know it's not like that would cost a ton more than six hundred dollars or a ton more than seven hundred dollars excuse me it's not like it would cost you my trip is starting to catch up to me a little bit i have not slept enough i am pretty good at managing jet lag can you talk about that at all can you even say where you were uh i was in tel aviv okay

yeah yes we're gonna end it there and we And we're going to end it right there. Yeah. Just so people understand why there's jet lag going on. So this is a 3600 Ryzen 5. That's a $270 Canadian processor. So what is that? Like 210, 200, around 200 US dollars, something like that. You know, there's some RAM.

There's a case. You know, there's a power supply. There's RGB fans as far as I can tell. RGB fans. Like it's not like a scam in the sense that you think you're buying a computer and it ships with a brick inside, like $20 worth of concrete or cement inside it.

Like it's not like that, but it's just a really, really terrible deal, which again is nothing new in the pre-built computer world. And I guess the whole, like, this is still this old graphics card thing is not new either, but bringing light to it's probably pretty chill. Yeah, and that shouldn't be a thing.

Rebranding products shouldn't be a thing. That's something we've spoken out about in the past because the only reason to do it is to mislead users to make them think that it's something newer than what it is. That's literally the only reason to do it. So we've criticized rebadging graphics cards in particular. Seem to go through this a lot.

Oh, and they've been going through it for the entire time that I've been interested in computers as well. Yeah. More or less. Like this is not even close to new. I still remember getting absolutely like enraged at Sapphire way back in the day because there was like a variant of...

I actually... Wow. I actually finally forget the details of it i guess time does heal all wounds it was some variant of like a 9600 or something like that that had a cut down memory bus because that was the big one back in the day was they would they would have the memory bus which would dramatically change the performance because you are essentially cutting the memory bandwidth in half.

And that's not something that was typically disclosed on a spec sheet. So I bought just so that in my parents' machine, there would be something like sort of usable for my siblings. I bought what I thought was a decent GPU, but it was, you know, 15, $20 cheaper. And I bought what I thought was a decent GPU, but it was $15, $20 cheaper. And I put it in there and I was like, this performance is trash. What the heck is going on here? This should be better because I had the real version in my own machine

a year prior or something like that. And I found out that it was only disclosed, and that was the only way I was able to figure it out because i maybe i didn't have access to tools like gpu z yet or something but it was only disclosed on like their european site that it was a 64-bit bus card when it was supposed to be a 128-bit like it was not listed on ati at the time it wasn't listed on ati's website anywhere as that that was a variant of this gpu that existed so I made the argument to them that I should be able to get a refund or that they should swap it for one with a 128-bit bus because the retailer didn't list it properly in CIX.

Their product information didn't have it on their North American site where I had gone to double check. So I had no way of knowing that I was buying some garbage card. And so that's all terrible. Rebadging things, quietly changing the specs without changing the label. Those are both bad, even though they're kind of the opposite behavior.

They're just super duper nothing new. And for as long as the tech industry has and will exist, it's going to continue to be a thing. Probably, yep. Yep. So there you go. All right, should we move on to our next topic? Yeah. But shame on you, Amazon reseller

and Microsoft and NZXT2 for having the word gaming in the description of that desktop i'll say that much honestly you'd probably be better off just getting the apu version of that chip and running on the onboard yeah gaming desktop yeah that's just yeah i feel like they're almost just saying that because like some marketing person was like well it has the rgbs yeah maybe we should call it the gamings uh next topic though devin s i think just bought one of everything on the entire site a mystery water bottle a short circuit long sleeve a tech scarf a dad hat three mystery t-shirts

one ethernet shirt a mean face sequin pillow a banana scale in every color a do not drop t-shirt a other cpu pillow did i say cpu pillow no a cpu pillow a party shirt did i already see party shirt i can't even keep track and a water bottle wow unbelievable um okay talk about talk about doing some black friday shopping i mean we only offered a $15 discount, and it's only on one item. You don't have to buy everything. I mean, you can, but you don't have to.

Microsoft and Qualcomm. So in the past few weeks, MediaTek has been expressing interest in building their own ARM chips that can run Windows. Turns out there's a snag. And as Xda developers reported uh the reason that we've only seen qualcomm windows pcs is because microsoft and qualcomm have an exclusivity deal the sources say it is set to expire soon with no known date but that would explain why we've only seen qualcomm

powered devices since they were first announced by the two companies in 2016 maybe a five-year agreement let's hope the end of this agreement could mean windows arm licensing could be opened up to a lot more chips including potentially apple silicon that was something that was extremely disappointing to me about the apple silicon max was that if you wanted to run windows even though microsoft had an arm version you couldn't do it yeah unless you wanted to you know actually is there a way to do it through like emulation i don't know does parallels have a solution for that you guys will have to let me know in the chat i don't daily drive uh a mac so there hasn't been any reason for me to solve this problem um wow that's that's a real drag and a half i mean i guess i kind of get it because if i was

microsoft and i desperately needed some kind of silicon apparently snazzy labs has done it yeah there you go um yes you can parallels it. If I was desperate for there to be some kind of silicon for me to even, you know, continue to develop my Windows ARM software on, to have any, you know, reason for it to exist at all, then I might make a deal like that. So that kind of makes sense.

Yeah. Apparently parallels with Windows for arm is fantastic okay good to know so i don't man see the problem with arm windows for me is it's just one of those like why things yeah like if i if i the only reason that i daily drive windows aside from familiarity which honestly is not that big of a deal like i i do such basic things outside of my web browser now anyway that it kind of doesn't matter so the only reason for me to daily drive windows is gaming and if i was going to game arm is clearly not a reasonable option yeah and if i was not going to game then i think based on everything we learned from the linux challenge i would probably just i mean i was perfectly happy

with manjaro kde other than gaming you're spoiling the next episode a little bit oh well i guess a little bit but uh i don't know maybe it's not that bad to spoil it a little bit since people are so outraged about the uh the streaming episode people are a little cheesed about that we're a little cheese the next episode is can i say what it is i guess yeah yeah go for it the next episode is like random productivity tasks yeah so non-gaming tasks that you do. There's a 12 page thread on the forum about the second episode. And I replied to it at one point. I was like, people keep saying that the problems that I had are related to my exotic hardware.

Other than my GoXLR, what about my hardware is exotic? GoXLR isn't exotic either. That has caused any problems I'll wait and people launched into these explanations of how my hardware is exotic but where they never managed to get to was how it caused any of the problems

that I actually had and to be clear the Elgato lights for example I never presented that as a problem because my workaround for it was very easy. I didn't have to solve anything. I just used my phone.

Most of my problems, like in my raw doc, did I ever share that raw doc with you? No, actually. That's just my like- I haven't technically, yeah. My thoughts document. Well, we weren't supposed to see each other. Right, right, right.

We both have one, right? Yeah. The vast majority of my issues in my dock have nothing to do with that i'm running a thread ripper and therefore the people who develop linux you know they're just using their own hardware and they wouldn't necessarily be able to test on that do you grow your own cpu linus i never i never i never said they did i never said anything about any of that i never i never said it had any stability problems i the problems were just that everything's a chore i've

been kind of following along on the i have never mentioned that i've even known this existed but i guess people probably knew i've been following along on the mint forums oh i see yeah because my my brain went to average user right right? So I was like, because especially at the beginning, but throughout the whole thing, we weren't allowed to like ask for help, et cetera. So if I had a problem, one of my things was like, well, I don't know. I'd probably go back to the thing that I got. So I went on Mint's website and I was like, there's a forum. This all seems like things that I would maybe do. So I went to the forum, I started poking around. And then I started noticing after we posted one video that there was

a thread about the video on the mint forums and i was like oh i'm gonna see what people are saying they've actually been decently nice r slash linux has been surprisingly there's both sides for sure but yeah they've been but anything that manages to get any kind of upvote momentum has been mostly like yeah we understand the spirit of where this is coming from and there's also i'm seeing a bit of a a tide turn in some of the sentiment anyway where people are saying hey you know all of the problematic things that you might find about this aside this has already generated discussion and improvements to the experience so for better or for worse linus and luke were 100 successful hey in what they were trying to do got them which was to go in as people who have not tried to daily drive linux for gaming

and talk about the experience yeah generate discussion and hopefully turn that into something that will become better in the future if it isn't already good now and which it isn't i mentioned a while ago that I pivoted my work laptop. Yep. I pivoted it to, I'll finally say it now, I left it vague last time. I went to Ubuntu. Oh, okay. Because I was like, you know what?

I said I didn't want to use Ubuntu. Try the vanilla. Because... Try vanilla. You know, it's a good flavor. It is a good flavor. I said that I didn't want to use it because I don't like GNOME 3. Yeah. But I had never used GNOME 3. You hater. What a h word. I said that I didn't want to use it because I don't like Gnome 3. Yeah.

But I had never used Gnome 3. You hater. What a hater. But exactly. So I was like, I'm going to go use it. Haters going to hate, hate, hate. Honestly, Gnome 3 is fine. I still think I prefer Mint.

Yeah. And the Cinnamon experience and all that kind of stuff. Sure. So I'm probably going to pivot my laptop again. But like, it's been completely fine fine i'm just a creature of habit and there was nothing about kde that super offended me so yeah if i was going to go linux again the number of people that are like and all your problems because you chose arch well like hold on a second the amount of criticism i've taken for going with manjaro is kind of mind-blowing especially because manjaro has not

really caused any of my problems no i mean they saw some of my early struggles figuring out that apt was not a thing on manjaro which which i just didn't know because every guide you find for anything is like apt get whatever so apt good i mean once i figured out pamac was a thing um and pac-man was a thing i was like this is great i've got my graphical version and i've got my command line terminal version and so i will just do this from now on um so these are all things that i figured out but manjaro did not cause any of my problems. And I don't think that it was an entirely unreasonable thing for me to do because the rationale was,

well, my number one choice didn't work out for reasons that the OS maker has admitted were not entirely my fault. And the upstream has admitted was not entirely my fault. Fixes have been applied for what happened to me, to me, not by me. So my first choice didn't work out. My second choice was,

well, I know that SteamOS 3.0 is going to be an arch derivative. So maybe some of the work that Valve is doing on Proton or compatibility, same compatibility layer or whatever they call it, maybe that would also be applicable in some way to an also an Archer-like.

So I'm going to try that because it also came highly recommended. Those were the main things that I was thinking about. My number one didn't work out. Maybe something Arch-based would be a better bet in some way because i and that's another thing too is like what's supported so i had already i had already gone for the ubuntu based and it was a big problem for me so i was like well the other main sort of thing we're at least aware of yeah yeah and the one that valve obviously chose for some reason for gaming is arch so i was like i'm not going to try to tackle arch itself by the way

so i'm just going to i'm just going to try this like i'm going to try arch with training wheels and honestly it was fine so none of my problems were really specific to a distro in my opinion yes i had problems with dolphin but i would have probably found problems with the default application choices in any distro and i would have probably found problems with cohesion in any distro because those are Linux desktop problems and I think that definitely exists I think another problem that's going on is is some people in the community I think are ignoring the fact that we would complain about Windows too yeah we brought this up a couple times. We're not going like, Windows is perfect, therefore these things suck. It's just...

But these things can suck, and Windows can suck. Yes. Everything can suck. Everything can be imperfect. Yeah. I mean, there are things I hate about... I've actually literally uploaded videos of just lists of things I hate about operating systems.

Windows more recently, but, oh man, back when we did that series of 10 reasons Mac OS is just better or 10 reasons Windows is better, the number of people that interpreted Mac OS being better to mean that Windows is worse or vice versa,

just because something has something better doesn't mean that it is worse or vice versa. Just because something has something better doesn't mean that it is better. Like the point I'm trying to make is things can be good and things can be bad and that doesn't inherently make the other thing good or the other thing bad. It just means that if we're being objective, anything has lots of stuff about it that is crap

and lots of stuff about it that is good. And that's okay. Like Luke and I had a super frustrating Windows gaming experience last night. Where, and I don't know who to blame. Could be Microsoft, could be Valve, could be whoever the developer is for Towerfall. I don't know.

But we were having issues with remote play, trying to play Towerfall with my kids locally and Luke remotely. And we just couldn't get four controllers working properly without one of them either not working at all or one of them controlling two players at the same time. Or even three. Or even three.

And I would say that that's a crap experience. That's a crap user experience. And to contrast this, just in case you weren't going to go there we played towerfall through remote play on linux flawlessly and immediately with three players fair which worked perfectly last night too it was the fourth player that was causing trouble did it work perfectly right away i don't think so oh i still had okay no the first issue we had was that it seems like i think like yvonne's thunderbolt

doc died or something like yeah so that was unrelated no but i mean even once you had like gone downstairs i can't remember okay i can't remember i'm not sure so sorry yeah there's there's there's bad there there's bad experiences everywhere um yeah and i guess Experiences everywhere. Yeah. And I guess the point of the series was, can you switch today as the average gamer? And the answer is, well, the answer is complicated. The answer is complicated. The answer is complicated. Apparently, the GoXLR for Linux project

added better installation instructions. That's pretty cool. So, you know, I've seen some criticism that I was too hard on what is obviously a grassroots community project. I mean, I don't think I hated on them, but the experience wasn't very good. And for better or for worse, the experience is now better because of what I said. Apparently, the developer agrees. Like, oh, I see your point. I guess i could make this better and now it is better so that's why reviewers exist that's why critics exist so it's not that i'm trying to be a jerk about it i'm just my job going into this was to evaluate it

and that's why we had said on i think think it was last week on Wend Show, we had said maybe a cool follow-up would be to go in and experience Windows Fresh. Now, I just threw my old drive back in because I just wanted to play some video games and not think about it for a little bit. But I intend to put a fresh drive in, start from scratch, and review Windows.

I'd do it too. Are we? Yeah. There's the two different version potential as well, Windows 10 and Windows 11. I'm going to go Windows 11. Yeah, okay. I'm going to go Windows 11, and I'm going to have the warts and all. Someone brought up an interesting argument, and there's some generalizations here,

and I noticed that when I first read it. So I'm going to try to quote, but it's not in front of me, so whatever. But they essentially said, no one installs Windows. That's not true. People buy a computer, and Windows is on it.

Sure, but that's also, that's A, not true, and B, doesn't excuse a bad installation experience. Yeah. If it's a Microsoftrosoft product which the installation experience is then what's the excuse for it being bad you're a multi multi tens of billions of dollars company no no i don't accept that okay that's fair enough yeah no i think the majority of people well definitely the majority of people don't that's fair it's still part of the process

but it's a microsoft product if it's a microsoft product then it should be polished you're charging me money for it man i paid for it i think such a substantial part of the windows video is going to be the amount of things you have to click when you're going through the installation process yeah yeah i could see that it's crazy and there's just there's just shockingly stupid stuff like you go through this whole process and it's like you install the whole operating system then you like do all this stuff then you sit and you wait for like four more minutes well it's like hey we're setting things up well what were you doing before yeah yeah what and i actually really like i believe if i remember correctly ubuntu did this and i know mint did this but you you do the install and then there's just a window that you can close if you want that's all the

customization stuff and windows does all this forced customization stuff while you're going through the setup and going back to the windows version after installing mint and ubuntu was so frustrating so if i just wanted to use my damn computer right now, like why are you stopping me so that I can what? Make it look green? Like I don't care. I can do this whenever. Yeah.

This is a low priority task. Yeah. Yeah. Idiot Pocket says Windows 10 Pro needs to drop preloaded crap like Candy Crush. What professional expects or wants Candy Crush? Yes. Yes. That's so stupid 100% Oh 100% oh maybe they will because blizzard is

Microsoft said that they were thinking about re re how did they word it they were gonna look at their relationship with blizzard and like reestablish what they're doing there because of like Bobby Kotick and all the stuff that's going on is this blizzard own king yeah oh i didn't realize that or activision i guess yeah whatever blizzard activision yeah or sorry activision blizzard yeah okay yeah hilarious so hopefully that happens hopefully because that is so dumb

brutal oh or tear tear or tear said on the last stream you had something in your bag you wanted So dumb. Brutal. Oh, Ortear said, on the last stream, you had something in your bag you wanted to show us. What's in the bag? Okay, first of all, first of all, I used the LTT backpack prototype

for my trip. Oh. And it's even better than I thought. You know how the size is kind of big? It fits perfectly under an airline seat. There's also no scuffs. Which is great. Oh, yeah.

No, I mean, the material choice I already knew was outstanding. I'm just saying, because a lot of bags and stuff, the second you go on a trip, tossing around an airplane, doing all this kind of stuff, they get, yeah. But yeah, it looks brand new. It looks immaculate yeah actually yeah um the like additional structure of it was great because it makes it really easy

to put really bulky stuff in and out of it because i was like constantly throwing my because you're on plane right it's like i'm freezing jacket i'm too i'm too hot yeah yeah right so i was constantly putting things in and out of it. I had my whole gaming set up while I was there. So I had my, my EGPU, my laptop, my mouse pad, my mouse. I was like set up, man.

So I was constantly going in and out of it. It was great. So that's one of the, that's one of the big takeaways for me is we're actually, we were going to change something significant. So see this three-way zip pocket on the front. Yes. On the inside. I'm going to-way zip pocket on the front? Yes. On the inside,

I'm going to try and show everyone. On the inside, there's this mesh pocket. And I had concerns about the mesh pocket because when you open it up all the way, it's kind of floopsie doodly. And I didn't really like that. I thought it was kind of not a great experience because if you have something heavy in here, it just kind of like weighs it down. So I didn't like it. So I had said, okay, you know what? Let's do the self is what this is called when it's the same material as the body. Let's do the self.

Let's do some pockets here. And let's try to discourage people from loading this up with stuff. But what I realized when I was actually using it day to day on my trip was that how I actually use it is like this. I don't open it all the way. It's nice to be able to open it all the way if I really need to, but I don't really open

it all the way. I just use it like this. And then it has enough structure. And it was actually really nice to just have a mesh pocket that I could huck everything in. And then if I really need to see what I'm doing, I can look into it. We are making some changes in here so for example the screwdriver sticks up right now so we're going to have the screwdriver pocket go all

the way down that's one of my big things is i want our products to be compatible with each other i remember back when we first started working together one of the gripes that we had all the time was like case and power supply manufacturers yeah the power supply is not fitting you buy an antec case and like their flagship case and you buy their flagship power supply and it like doesn't fit in it. Stuff like that. Yeah.

So we want to make sure that there's a place to put the screwdriver. So this pocket is going to become only this big. And then what I realized again is because of this, this zip here

needs to start on this side so that you can access the zipper more easily and open it when it's not open all the way so the intention is that this can open but you don't have to that makes sense we're also reconfiguring the slips on the inside so we've got three slips like three slips for devices we've got got a laptop pouch, a tablet pouch, and then one that's intended for more like a Nintendo Switch or like a Steam Deck or something like that. And the problem is that we did two slips on this side and one slip at the bottom on this side. And what happens is when you've got heavy stuff up here, it weighs down the top

so that that slip kind of sticks out and it's almost impossible to get down into the bottom of the pocket without like kind of making your way in there so we're going to do the three slips on the back now assuming we can sew through that much material like there's just so many little things that i kind of like learned about it yeah overall it's really close um it's going to be really expensive but i can it's the best bag i've ever had and i can pretty much promise that unless you've i don't know i i haven't encountered something that's better like from a tech standpoint so i i doubt that you've owned a better bag, basically. What's that?

Oh, this? Oh, I actually meant that. That's on your, like, hip. Oh, I'll talk about that later. Okay. So this is the thing that I was going to pull out of my bag. I mean, the Steam Deck is not the only handheld gaming PC. And Aya, they did send me that clear one when they initially launched.

But that Neo doesn't have some of the improvements of their new one. And I was like, oh, wow, that's super cool when they kind of sent me this update thing. And they were like, oh, yeah, well, we'll send you one if you want. And I was like, okay, well, I mean, I wasn't asking for anything, but what I'd really like, actually, is some of the new features on my old one. If you could just send me those parts, I'd be happy to upgrade it myself because I really like the clear housing. They were like, well, it's not that simple, so we'd rather just send you a new one. By the way, we have this colorway.

That looks so cool. They did a retro colorway. Oh we have this color that looks so cool they did a retro colorway oh my goodness with like red gray almost black army drab green yeah so it's like a retro console kind of color scheme so this has got all the new improvements so it now has analog triggers and i think there were a couple of other little things that they tweaked. But I am like super stoked on this. Sweet. I love, I absolutely love the colors. Yeah.

It's like ugly in all the right ways. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. So I forget what else they changed about it. So I'll definitely be using that until the steam deck arrives and who knows maybe after i don't know i still haven't daily driven the steam deck i don't know if the ergonomics that seemed good in my first hands on are gonna stay good i'm hoping

i'm hoping it will because the performance of the steam deck looks like freaking awesome uh what's conrad talking about they talked about that in a previous plan show. I don't remember right now. Okay, I don't know. Yeah, it looks freaking cool. Penmail says, love that sand color. Yeah. It looks awesome.

It looks freaking cool. And the texture is like really great. What is that again? Question mark, question mark, question mark. It's the Aya Neo. I don't even know if they have any stock. I doubt it. It's like ridiculously hard to get your hands on like any good tech right now.

Let's see if they even have any stock. Oh, I don't see this color. Wait. I don't know if it's like a special one for influencers or something again. I don't see it on their site. A Neo Retro. Oh no. Oh, Aya Neo 2021 Pro.

Oh wow. So it has a docking station. What is Dark Star? Oh, Light Moon, I think is the one that I've got. Yeah, this is Light Moon. Verizon 74800U, one terabyte SSD. I actually don't know the difference between the Pro and the other one.

This is maybe something for me to just make a full video about because clearly I have not done any research. Maybe it's the 4500U in the main one. People are like, put Steam os 3.0 on it that would actually be super cool like the not the not steam deck steam deck yeah yeah that'd be amazing it's interesting 16 gigs up to two terabytes. Okay, so maybe that's it. Maybe it's just better specs here. All right, cool. Right, what else was I gonna talk about?

I mean, I think that's pretty much it. Maybe we should talk some merch messages here real quick. Sure. Yeah, let's do it. We have been organizing them. So you guys might've noticed a lot of them have been have been popping up uh popping up there but some of them haven't so if you sent one and you were

like uh what the heck happened it's possible it ended up in our curated queue yeah uh naomi l solar powered pool is definitely still going to happen uh johnny s long time watcher first time buyer any chance on a stealth desk pad yes that was the thing i was gonna go leak okay so i'm gonna go try and get one do you want to go through a few of these yeah all right john a uh bought a water bottle a shirt and a spout lid and said it's it has to do with the message and then he said uh needed a new water bottle since the yellow on my black and gold v1 completely worn away yeah it lasts for a while but you know not forever that's part of the reason as far as my understanding goes i am so sorry if i'm totally wrong about this, but I think the new versions have better printing. I don't know. I don't know. I'm sorry. That's not my, not my

department. Um, moving on. We've got some that we, that we already, Oh, these are archived messages. That's why that's going on. That makes sense. Okay, sorry guys, give me one second. Bought a beanie because I heard great things as well as a spout lid for my V1 water bottle. Had to get some shirts to offset shipping costs. There you go. I'm assuming it was shipped far away uh casu says i needed a beanie for the winter and an amazing water bottle and a and well a shirt

greetings from germany ps wanted to link linus uh some de-isolation tool he should get the strip backs from what i can't say that uh weeduller I'm going to copy that and I'll show it to him later couldn't find the backpack uh it's yeah it's not a thing anymore so I had to improvise first time buying and already hating the taxes I'll have to pay this is a lot of things he got like uh everything GPU t-shirt ethernet t-shirt reflective cpu t-shirt insulated water bottle reflective heat sink t-shirt party shirt insulated water bottle northern lights desk pad another northern lights desk pad cpu pillow and an abc's book of gaming jeebers um hey finally got around to ordering one of these bad boys by the way uh how would you say the name throne oh i think i did that one oh i tried i can't tell where i tried thorony you tried

thorony isn't it thrown i don't know i have no idea so this oh is an upcoming stealth circuit board uh desk pad design so if you guys look kind of is it yeah no here do you want to take a side there we go ah so if you guys look closely you can kind of see i hope you can see in the as it reflects there's like an ltt logo in the middle and then like a circuit board in person you can definitely see it oh yeah i don't know how it's showing up on stream but you can yeah it's really hard to it's subtle but you can definitely see it yeah so it's uh yeah it's just meant to be kind of a more not so in your face has to match the color of your of your setup kind of thing um that's definitely coming uh borium says i kind of hate it not gonna lie i mean yeah get a northern lights pad then get a northern lights pad solved definitely coming. Boreum says, I kind of hate it.

Not going to lie. I mean, yeah. Get a Northern Lights pad. Then get a Northern Lights pad. Solved. So we've got, we've got lots of different kind of stuff that we're working on,

but you know, for us, it's actually kind of a big commitment to do a new desk pad. And the reason for that is that if we want to support our full size um that's a lot of choice yeah pads we kind of have to be really sure that it's killer are you doing that are you supporting every size um like i wouldn't think you necessarily have to as long as northern lights covers everything yeah i mean i don't know i'm torn i'm torn i'm i don't know i don't remember what we did for this so we'll see yeah yeah there's a lot of people that like it uh people like less branding would be nice so we actually thought of that uh the reason that the branding is on there is because we wanted kind of something to be ltt

stealth about it but that's right where your keyboard goes so you will actually never see the LTT logo and the other thing that's cool is that the circuit stuff if you want to hold it again for a second the circuit stuff kind of radiates out from your keyboard so this is a very small keyboard so it's like that three like 10 kilos size so the idea is that it's kind of like your keyboard is the centerpiece of your setup with it that was that was the rationale behind why we did it that way because you will never have this anywhere where there will not be a keyboard uh someone says i have keyboard top left i mean that's good um you might want a different desk pad if you want to cover cover the logo then the vast majority of people do not so uh it should be

okay for most people uh there's only there's only so much we can do i mean maybe you have your keyboard glued under your desk for all i know maybe that's more ergonomic for you there's nothing i can do for you but um that was that was the rationale that was why we did that um iceberg says i like this much better but is there any chance of an even more stealth one i want the nice material but i just want plain black i mean you just want us to make like a plain black disc but there's like a hundred plain I mean I guess you know what we did actually you know we did a custom thickness right like for all of them yeah yes yeah yeah yeah um because I was just like

no three millimeters is too thin and four millimeters is too thick. So the factory was just like, what? And the best part is this before we had placed any kind of volume orders with them. So this is before we've actually paid them any meaningful amount of money. They're just like, okay, but everything else is fine. Like, yeah. Okay, then you guys need to place your order. okay, but everything else is fine. Like, yeah.

Okay, then you guys need to place your order. And once you like place your order and put down a big deposit, we will do a custom thickness of rubber for you. That's pretty epic. Oh no. Yeah. All right. Are you at the curated merch messages?

Because I think before you left, you're reading from the wrong section. I'm at the bottom of the curated merch messages. Okay. So I'm reading from the bottom to the top. Okay. Yeah. Brighton says, my water bottle with a gold smear across it.

I like it that way. Oh, okay. I'm curious to know. My water bottle came with a gold smear across it. I like it that way. It takes the stress out of accidentally dinging it, but I'm curious to know. You can contact support. They will get you sorted out um overall the quality control on the water bottles is excellent we get very very few uh complaints about that so that seems like a really odd one but nothing's perfect uh jim says can we

ever expect a stealth mouse oh oh for crying out Anonymous, it would be really cool if the backpack had a waterproof pocket to prevent any leaks from getting to the expensive things inside. So nothing is waterproof, but the self-material is fairly water resistant. And we're using all water, like all sealed zippers on it. YKK water resistant zippers. If I could add some interpretation i think he means from your own things so like a water bottle leaking it would be cool if the outside so no no it's oh wait i had a waterproof pocket for the backpack to prevent any leaks

from getting oh uh you should just get an ltd store water bottle so your water bottle doesn't leak hey hey hey i didn't even show this on this stream anyway but it has a dedicated spot for your water bottle to sit so at the very least if your water bottle does leak um it shouldn't like fall over and get on anything because it shouldn't ever fall over sweet so that's cool um also why is hdr over tv apps in floatplane? I have, what? Sorry. Also, why is HDR over TV apps in float plane? Oh,

like in terms of priority? Because TV apps are just a low priority because casting is a thing. Linus needs to do a Vader impression and say, Luke, I am your father, which you now cannot do because that's not the quote. What? It's no, I am your father. Which you now cannot do because that's not the quote. What? It's no, I am your father. Yeah, that's true, actually.

I'm so sorry, JB. Happy birthday, though. Yeah, happy birthday. Eric, hey, Wancho, long time viewer. Is there a special place where one may find audio products that have reached eol or am i just sol looking for a set of uh one plus bullets wireless z and sony wh h910ns ebay

ebay is the answer and if you don't find it there honestly i wouldn't ebay and then buy new things foam pads or yeah ear inserts or whatever i mean not for those the bullets wireless are like in ears but yeah wouldn't they have little things though you can buy the gel end whatever it's called uh oh yes i doubt that's the problem though um do you think the upcoming steam os and steam deck release will push nvidia to finally give a thought to linux support no i don't think that nvidia works that hard at capturing that uh that game console business so maybe they just will continue to not care nvidia however has been doing more recently i have no idea what the timeline is than they have in the more distant past for Linux stuff, I believe.

That's fair, but I don't think the Steam Deck is going to change anything about it. Nope, don't think so. Especially because it's a Steam Deck, you know. This is funny. They're talking about the original LAN hoodie in the floatplane chat. Yes, you are correct. The OG form of the LTT hoodie is actually this one, if you get far enough back. It's by G8, and it was the LAN hoodie, and this was the garment that was the basis for the WAN version of it. So there's the green inner hood. We did an orange inner hood.

There's the NVIDIA logo with the splashy kind of design. We did a WAN logo with kind of a splashy design. And we were up front about that, just to be clear. Yeah, we talked about it all the time. Yeah, we talked about how the reason the WAN hoodie existed was because I got a LAN hoodie at an NVIDIA event and I really liked it and it was like wearing out. And so I wanted more.

And NVIDIA didn't have any more left when I asked for one. And so I was like, okay, so what does it take to get more of these garments? And what it took was a minimum order of however many hundreds of them. So I did and I sold the rest. Awesome. Yeah. of however many hundreds of them so i did and i sold the rest awesome yeah literally how we got into doing custom merch was because i wanted a hoodie oh no pretty awesome um nox says when hoodie v1 with the gloves i want one yes i know they're like 120 still we don't have any more and we have no meaningful way to make them uh scott says if i'm eligible for a job with an offer master's degree should i say i am legally eligible on a google form uh yes you should uh seth have you

considered making a question though yeah on the google form oh i'm not sure i don't think that's the question i think the question is like do you have a valid work permit or something yeah so no is the answer no the the answer is probably still yes because if you have certain credentials getting that permit is like what what he's saying is if if it's conditional upon me having a job offer should i say that yes And then the answer is yes, because there are certain visas where you can just go. Okay. If you have a job offer. Yeah.

It's just automatic. Yeah. But if it's not that, then don't say you're eligible. You, yeah. Yes. We are going to do a display port follow up on the HDMI cable video.

Absolutely. Thank you for the suggestion. Ryan asks, should I wait for Ryzen 6000 or buy the new i5? My 7700K is choking hard. You should upgrade when it's time to upgrade because otherwise you will wait forever. And if you upgrade when it's not time to upgrade, then you are wasting money and contributing to additional e-waste. So it's all about you should upgrade when you reach a point where you need to upgrade sounds like you got there time to upgrade that's the way it is uh steven just found out linus is

a biker what bike do you have sv650s it's a 2003 also fortnite oh fortnite is the best youtube motorcycle channel if you haven't heard of it i'm talking about fortnite okay cool thank you chris s says will floatplane get Samsung Fold support like laptop mode where the screen I half folded and audio play while phone is locked? The screen is half folded. So here I can show it to you on Plex.

So basically what it does is it lets you just like sit it on something and then you've got like controls on the bottom so basically what it does is it puts, it lets you just like sit it on something and then you've got like controls on the bottom and then it just plays in a window up here. So you can just like prop it up. I believe that's something that you can actually force support for in a menu somewhere because I don't think Plex supported it natively either, but I haven't actually touched it since I first looked at it. We are going to get like background audio and stuff working.

That's something, that's something Jaden is working on. Yeah. Sorry. I don't, I don't remember full screen apps. No, I don't remember.

Yeah. I don't know if that's something that we're specifically planning right now though. Yeah. Well, it's not. Jonathan asks, I'm visually impaired and the merch message

section of the checkout is a very tiny checkbox could we make it more visible can we do that is that like a theme limitation right now or is that something we could do i'm conrad's in the chat so he can probably say okay but i think he's using default things right now but we might be able to make something okay if there's any way for us to do that that would be super cool. Nate, a few WAN shows ago, you talked about the importance of having external storage for data backup. Would you ever do a vid on

how to take used slash old slash eBay parts and make a NAS at home? That video is in progress right now. Colin is working on it. So yes, yes, we are. Anonymous asks, is there an alternative method to apply for LMG jobs? I requested the application package a week ago and have not received it. Is this expected? If you didn't

receive it, that would seem to indicate that for whatever reason you were not eligible to apply. That's one of the reasons that we have that questionnaire to get the package, because we can't go through 10,000, 20,000 applications. So we have filtering surveys in order to help us avoid wasting your time and ours. So we're not going to tell you what the right answers are, but not everyone gets an application package because we do not have the HR the, the HR grunt to go through. I also wouldn't necessarily take this as a confirm that you're not going to get one yet.

Yeah. Uh, not every position has sent out the packages because, uh, we haven't finished taking in applicants for some of the positions. So, yeah. Sorry,

go ratchet seven 66. Uh, okay. Let's go ahead and get rid of that. Uh's go ahead and get rid of that uh go ahead and get rid of that okay emmanuel says i like to roll the dice i know builds aren't exactly popular these days but i'd love to see more content on small form factor setups it's tough how are we supposed to do a video on any gaming PC when, as we saw, you can't build a gaming PC? Like, it's tough. I do not envy the LTT content team right now. That's a hard life. And yes, Emmanuel Riley is awesome.

Yeah. Joshua says, did you hear the makers? Did you hear Canonical? Excuse me. Man, I'm getting very tired. Is now collecting feedback on the Linux gaming experience. That's really cool. That is cool.

I did not hear about that. Yet another positive, even if you're upset, yet another positive impact of the Gaming on Linux challenge. Or maybe they were going to do it anyway. But it certainly started a conversation also floatplane theater mode when uh it's coming actually theoretically very soon the developer working on it uh there was a accident that happened at their house where their main laptop uh the power cord was had a had a well someone had a bit of a tripping

accident over the power cord and it was a version of a macbook that did not have magsafe it was not it was not them it was someone else but so that laptop went absolute kaput um they have replaced said device and are back up to speed but there was a little bit of a hiccup there unfortunately but it's actually like very close um all right and there's a whole new player coming and it's going to be great and things are going to be cool but oh man matthew just got my party shirt absolutely love it exclamation mark are there any plans for more patterns to be honest no uh we did not plan any more patterns because i was a bit of a hater on the party shirt project i underestimated hugely how big that that launch was going to be um turns out just because i'm allergic to button-up shirts doesn't mean that everyone is

so that's good to know there's a whole wide world of people with preferences that are not mine um which is great so i i i initially oh i mean i barely greenlit the project at all to be honest with you the finished garment is so much better than the early samples that we had that i based that decision on like it's super comfortable have you tried it on no okay it's like a really you know don't really do the whole fair enough yeah. Yeah. It's a really nice fabric though. If you absolutely have to wear a button-up shirt, I can understand why people are buying it. But yeah, so the fact that it barely got greenlit at all would indicate that no,

the plan was not for more patterns. Now that it is so successful, it's not unlikely that we would do more patterns. It's honestly just not something we've talked about at all though. So no promises. Thanks for being awesome, Linus. Love the show.

Hope I get these bottles in time for Christmas. Tall shirts win. Luke, can you tell us something interesting? Wow, really? You can think about that while I discuss tall shirts because they're really putting you on the spot here. Tall shirts are coming. So we actually just did an early print on one of our first blank hoodies.

So we have had a heck of a time finding a hoodie that we were happy with that's just blank that we can just print graphics on the front. So no zip, no like, does it have kangaroo pockets? I don't think it has. i know no kangaroo pocket um so we finally have those we also have our blank shirts so you're going to see a colored t-shirt from ltt store for the first time in like two years or something like that we're really excited about it but we want to see some of those shirts go out into the wild, make sure that they're holding up, make sure the QC is acceptable and make sure that like, not just the initial QC, but the quality of the ones that are out in the wild are good. When we get that back, it'll be time. Like that information back, it'll be time for us to work on our, we're going to call it lanky boy, thick boy.

And then we're going to have, describing things in those terms for female clothing probably isn't very 2021. Right. I mean, maybe we'll just do it anyway. Lanky girl, thick girl. I don't know. I mean, if we're, I don't know. What is equal? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't equal I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't make the rules for any of this so I just figure out what they are and then do my best to you know would curvy be better I genuinely have no idea I have no idea I have no I just have no idea to off-board off of that and go back to the previous comment yeah interesting fact uh a notable predator of the moose if you've if you've heard of moose before, they're gigantic and they walk on land. A notable predator of the moose is a killer whale.

Huh. Okay, thank you. That's a weird fact. Yeah, it really is. Robert H. bought one of everything. I've been watching. Glad to be able to contribute to you guys. How big is the LMG team now? I think we're up to somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 to 55

across is that just lmg i don't know anymore i'm so sorry i think no i think we're over 60 because i think that doesn't include floatplane oh yeah does that include creative warehouse uh include i'm sorry i just have no idea yeah no worries um yeah so it's at the point now where even with my team people are like how many people do you have and i'm like uh well you don't see them every day either that's true so many of them are remote yeah let me put it this way lab 1 is not the only acquisition we made. Oh, my. Yeah, we're taking possession. Oh, also, by the way, I glossed over, that is to say, glossed over some details, which is to say that I outright lied about some of the aspects of the Lab 1 introduction video. Like I said that Luke would be working in that room that was never

actually my intention um luke might but float plane's office would probably be in the other acquisition which will probably end up with some lab space in it as well i just wanted for the sake of it made a lot more sense for the flow of the video for the flow of the video i was like so he's gonna go here but the main reason to talk about luke was to talk about how we understand that software and development is going to be a big aspect of running this lab not because literally the float plane team was going to be sitting in that room even though we like memed on the walls and stuff yeah because the float plane team those that are local are i mean okay we've got our app developer who would not have anything to do with labs nope uh we've got luke who's managing it like it's just it's it's putting float plane

there would be just taking up lab space that we could use for more lab equipment do you want to say what you might actually put there because Because that's somewhat interesting. Yeah. So what I'm actually planning to put there is a small home theater lab. So somewhere that we could use as a light-controlled environment for testing projectors, somewhere that we could use as a sound somewhat controlled, not controlled, but sound-treated environment for evaluating sound bars. So we'd have to figure out, okay, we're going to put some, we're going to stuff some insulation up into the T-bar, like figuring out a way to kind of turn it into a basic home theater. So we can look at things like, you know, virtual ceiling speakers

and stuff like that. So get like a microphone array. That's what I'm actually planning to put there um so yeah and the reason lab one is called lab one is because it's one whoa hold on a second also 10k with this cash flow seems like pennies 10k is not pennies what is the context of this oh Oh, someone wants to invest $10,000 into LMG. Is that an option? So we are not taking any outside investment at this time. And the reason is that I just, I like to do things my way, which sometimes involves spending inordinate amounts of money on things that don't really have a proven business case.

We don't have a proven business case for LTT Labs. If we had a board of directors that was anyone other than me and Yvonne, where Yvonne and I have this vibe, right? Like, I have the vision. And sometimes the vision is literally like a vision. Like, I wake up in the middle of the night. I'm like, oh, I gotta write this down. is literally like a vision. Like I wake up in the middle of the night, I'm like, oh, I gotta write this down. Like I'll just like have an idea.

And then she makes the vision happen. We've got both parts of the puzzle. And that is the entire ownership structure of Linus Media Group. I've always kind of seen it as like, there's the rocket thruster. But if you just take that, you don't put any wings on it or any flight control it's not gonna work that great but if you if you control it name it properly then it's fantastic it's powerful and you kind of you kind of need both because all that power with yeah yeah anyways yeah I um that's so funny

oh you don't want stock you just want to like help fund and encourage the shenanigans you know what i believe firmly that we should always give something back anytime you anytime you give us money so you should absolutely like buy merch yeah um but i'm not gonna i'm not gonna just take your money i can't do that so that that's where i'm out on that and if you want to do something big like that just like sub to float plane at the 4k tier buy more stuff from merch later if you want a different t-shirt or if we release socks or the backpack or whatever and just like stay stay in the loop pj lee says can't things be structured so that the shares are non-voting? Sure, but then what's in it for you?

Why are you investing? And the answer can't just be because you want to be a bro and like help me out or whatever, because that's the way I think about every business transaction is that I have to consider it from both sides, because unless I can figure out what's in it for you, it shouldn't happen. Because unless I can figure out what's in it for you, it shouldn't happen. Because either it's a bad deal for you and that sucks, so we're not going to do that. Or I don't understand your deal. In which case, I feel like there's an opportunity for me to be taken advantage of.

I must understand both sides of the deal or I can't sign it is a policy of mine for life. So I just, unless there's something in it for you, I couldn't do it. And because my intention is not to go public and because my intention is not to sell Linus Media Group to the highest corporate bidder, there's no end game for you. What's your exit strategy? There's nothing. And if I really wanted a loan, we're at the point now where our business performance is so strong over such an extended period of time that if we really need a loan, we can get one. So if I need money, I will just do it like that. And if the idea is like a big moonshot payout, then this is not the place to be, the idea is like a big moonshot payout,

then this is not the place to be. Right? So that's where, that's where I'm at on that. That's why for now we have no, we have no, um, yeah,

we have, we have no intention of exploring, of exploring that. Uh, curated messages. Are, are we almost done the curated messages? Yeah, but there's like a bunch wow look at that incoming section oh bloody hell okay um okay okay we can only do a few more so

i'm gonna surprise my dad with some tech stuff nice will you look at the camera and say merry christmas and have a happy new year i think is the timing i don't know what the timing is so good luck everybody um someone said is this thing censored f yeah water bottle uh it is censored by us deciding if it shows up on screen or not so it's censored yes yeah see you later uh george f been watching since the house water cooling i have a 3070 ti and my display doesn't wake after sleep oh man I had this problem too with my nvidia card what did I do um okay you have to search for uh there's a there's a there's a stupid command prompt thing that you can use there's a command you can use to check what is keeping your pc from oh wait oh shoot no my issue was my display wasn't going to sleep my display wasn't going to sleep.

My display doesn't wake after sleep. I have to reset it to get it to work again. No, I have not personally fixed that one. I've only done it the other way. On Linux, but not on Windows. I mean, you should definitely try doing a full reinstall of your drivers. So you're going to want to go and fully uh ddu them go in safe mode ddu them reinstall them if that doesn't fix it one thing you could start to tinker around with is sleep

states in your bios i had an issue with my thread ripper machine in my office which i was very disappointed about it was just crashing like just randomly when i wasn't doing anything and it turns out that i was able to fix it by just um adjusting lowest sleep state up one in the BIOS and then it just is perfect now yeah so maybe try not letting it go as to sleep uh Nick allows says any info on flow plane app crashing when not using google apps we know that that's like a thing but the amount of users that we have that are on android and aren't using google apps is like real low so there are some other major things in terms of the app that we are currently working on we actually rolled out a version this week um i don't know if it's at 100

rollout yet so you might not have access to it but maybe try that version maybe that'll help cool don't know what's the uh man i feel i feel my energy dying okay uh thanks alexander b you know merry christmas to your son i think we're good i don't think there's going to be any roku float plane app anytime soon um save me from bezos i can't ian i'm sorry there's nothing i can do uh thanks chris p new grandpa says mark h need to start a grandchild on gaming early got the abcs of gaming absolutely love it and you already did niklaus's any plans for ltd mugs yeah so mugs are one of those ones that i just on principle kind of avoided for the longest

time because it just felt like we weren't really contributing anything. Like the world is full of so many mugs, you know, like if you just go to a thrift store and just like go rescue a bunch of mugs from the landfill is sort of the way that I've always felt about it. Like insulated water bottles were something i was totally comfortable with because a they're super on brand for me i love drinking my ice cold water that's just like my thing always been a thing that's what i drink um and so just it's something that i personally need i mean that's the that's the genesis of so

many of our merch items it's like i need i mean that's where this one came from i want a beanie i need a jacket i need a jacket what could i say and i i don't use mugs so like there was no it's always what's my pain point right because it's not just i need any jacket it's like i need a jacket that's exactly the way that i like a jacket to be so i don't have a preference for mugs so i just don't really care about them um and you know you go to a thrift store you can get a mug for like a dollar and it'll probably like say something funny on it or whatever so i'm not saying no i'm just saying it's been extremely low priority. Yeah. That's where I'm at on that. Nice.

Thanks, Anonymous, for the message on the thing. Okay, I think we're going to call it here. Yeah, I think we're good. Thank you so much, ladies and gentlemen, and everything in between. We will see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye. next week same bad time same bad channel bye a but it's officially a a uh a ramping up viewership portion of the show people are super into it when we used to do super chats no one cares that's really interesting yeah by the way the super chat problem that i've had is still there so if you sent a super chat during

the show in fact i can see i can see that there are super chats here, but there's nothing in here. YouTube is apparently working on a fix for me. I have no idea why the fix is for me and not just for the platform because this has been a problem for months. It's probably because they want you to stop. So just a reminder, guys, let people know in the chat, don't use super chats

because if I don't specifically click this and then never refresh the page, they're just gone. They're gone forever. I have no way of knowing. Oh, okay. Apparently I can click these. Okay. Oh, it only goes over so far. Genius. I'm clicking this arrow and it's not going over more, even though I can see there are more messages oh fantastic all right well hey thanks guys um yes there are inverted cases I think Silverstone has one oh it's not scrolling left anymore now unbelievable I do I do love how Conrad says