The WAN Show - Piracy Is Over Party - WAN Show April 12, 2024

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Starting point is 00:03:11 Oh, yes. The CEO of the Motion Picture Association told a convention of theater owners that the organization is planning to work with the United States Congress on legislation to require American ISPs to block piracy-related websites. With all the other stuff that they have to work on, like the cost of insulin, I'm sure this is a top priority and...

Starting point is 00:03:36 Oh, wait. Uh, okay. Hmm. This might have a chance. The proposed legislation would allow copyright holders to petition a judge to block a given site. CEO Charles Rivkin claimed that piracy steals hundreds of thousands of jobs from workers and tens of billions of dollars from their economy, including more than one billion in

Starting point is 00:03:59 theatrical ticket sales in the United States. Both tech companies and internet advocacy groups have warned that this proposed framework is likely to lead to over blocking of lawful content yeah which is what wound up undermining the stop online piracy act sopa over a decade ago so our discussion question here is is this going to work um i i honestly don't necessarily feel like it would work even if it does go through they have to petition individual sites they'll just spin up another luke i mean here's here's the domain is unimportant here's the question though what is this going to do that couldn't already be blocked with a vpn couldn't already be worked around yeah exactly yeah like what is this going because okay already

Starting point is 00:04:50 already if you download a copyrighted work okay look i'm just gonna i'm gonna come out and say it we were doing some video on emulating something and it was more convenient for me to just download a final fantasy tactics iso than to rip it so i did and i didn't have my vpn on actually did this at work um and we got a notice we got it we got a notice from our internet service provider where they the rights holder i don't actually was it final fantasy tactics i don't remember it was it was something that was why does he do this from my point of view not morally an issue why does he do these things i just because of view, not morally an issue. Why does he do these things? I just, because they're convenient. I will never know.

Starting point is 00:05:26 It's not a moral issue to me to download a copy. Yeah, but why do you do it on the work network? Oh, I was so lazy. I didn't have my VPN installed. But don't do that on the work network. I know, but look, Luke, this was like years ago, okay? You weren't even working here. All right, now I don't care.

Starting point is 00:05:41 Yeah, it wasn't recent. Anyway, the point is- I thought this was like weeks ago. I was like, what are you talking about? The point is, I don't care yeah it wasn't recent anyway the point is like weeks ago i was like what are you talking about the point is i don't personally consider it a problem to download a copy of a game that i own i don't care yeah i don't care and from my point of view you can tell me all day that i only own a license to use the game in its exact form and on the exact device that i don't i actually don't care about any of that. So anyway, I own the game from my point of view, and I will download it if I feel like it.

Starting point is 00:06:07 But I got a notice from my ISP that the DMCA rights holders, blah, blah, blah, had notified them that they forwarded it. There's no actual punishment here. They can't actually do anything. They can't turn off your internet or anything like that. But they already know. What is this exactly going to do how are how are you going to enforce this unless you basically do you know back to our sort of our title for this unless you actually do create like an authoritarian internet censorship system yeah yeah like just blocking a website tools for it

Starting point is 00:06:48 you know yeah just well here's a question for you i mean what are the odds that the american government basically already has it and is kind of ready to actually i don't know if they're that organized never mind i take it back i mean they can see sites and they they could make this type of stuff happen but like but it's slow yes and it's not really it's not really very effective and that's why especially on a larger scale that's why instead of going after them one by one and trying to get the trying to go after the um trying to go after the companies that are providing them hosting or trying to go after their domain registrar or trying to go that's why instead of trying to go after them in in all these ways to get the site actually taken down they're trying to simply block users access to it but

Starting point is 00:07:36 my point with my story was that if you pirate content you probably are already using a VPN anyway. What difference will this make unless they fundamentally change the way that internet access works in North America? I mean, there's also stuff like, I don't know if you've gotten to this line yet. Maybe you have. CEO Charles Rivkin claimed that piracy steals hundreds thousand jobs including one billion theatrical ticket sales like no and there's there's there's all these arguments like i find it pretty interesting of companies on steam steam has a very good and robust regional pricing tool uh and and companies are finding like they'll they'll see a lot of piracy in a single area.

Starting point is 00:08:26 Maybe wondering how they do that. You look at language in the discussion of the thing. And then they'll adjust the pricing in that area to be more reasonable. Maybe your take-home is significantly lower. Your cost of living is significantly higher. You don't have the spending money to buy something in the equivalency of American dollars of whatever it's supposed to be. They make it cheaper. Piracy drops off like a rock. People are saying Brazil, Brazil. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:08:49 there's a lot of examples. Pirate Software has a video on him reducing the cost of his game in Brazil specifically. Piracy shot down and his sales in that country went way up because it's not that necessarily people want to pirate in order to effectively steal something from a company. It's often that that thing is not super attainable. Either you can't get it very easily, or it costs too much. And it's like, well, right now, with 10 billion different streaming services,

Starting point is 00:09:18 acquiring video content can be really annoying. And to be clear, I also don't buy the argument that there is zero impact i'm sorry but there are people for whom they just aren't paying because they just if they don't have to they'd rather not but they could afford to um so as usual with any argument the truth is somewhere in the middle is this stealing hundreds of thousands of jobs well you know what i don't know worldwide gee man that's a lot like how many how many bloody how many yeah how do you even quantify that also also where is your where is your hand wringing when you know you've

Starting point is 00:10:00 got ai encroaching on the industry from every side. Yes, let's please use that as much as possible. And like one of the issues that I have with this is I'm assuming that there's some equivalency of amount of times that something was pirated to the amount of money that you lost. But it just doesn't work that way. Like when I was a kid pirating games, I was not going to buy it. If you made piracy impossible, there just would have been no sale i just would not have played that game there was no not give take everyone is like that though either i know but i do i pirated games i could have afforded to buy when i was young would you

Starting point is 00:10:36 have bought them if you couldn't have pirated it um i think in a lot of cases probably no i'm trying to think it's been a very long time and i don't really remember here's something that i always found kind of uh interesting about my own habits was that if i pirated a game i tended not to really play it very much and i don't know what it is like we've talked about this on the show before how like when i when when we were kids pretty much everyone that i knew had no had somewhere between two and oh man i'm trying to think like five or six games for their console yeah like we did not have if someone if i went to someone's house and they had like 10 or 20 nintendo games oh you're rich i was like whoa like damn there's some money here yeah um and we played those games over and over and over and over and over again and for me piracy was like this it it became like uh

Starting point is 00:11:38 like it was almost like my first exposure to kind of one of the problems with gaming now is that there's too many options, so many options and such a finite amount of time that you can't possibly hope to enjoy them all. I don't, I don't think I can think of a game that I actually played for a substantial amount of time that I pirated and then never ultimately bought. Yeah. So those aren't lost sales either.

Starting point is 00:12:07 Like I, obviously there are going to be lost sales from piracy, but saying that you can try to quantify it. It's like, what? I don't know. Where are you getting this $1 billion in theatrical ticket sales? Cause I have a major doubt on that one.

Starting point is 00:12:22 I mean, it's not that much in the grand scheme of things i mean when a single movie will do a billion dollars in ticket sales from time to time i mean it's not like they're saying oh yeah we're we're selling half as many tickets as we would have if uh um if piracy wasn't a thing or whatever else i think they're i that actually if they were saying a billion more tickets obviously we'd have to say strong they're saying tens of billions of dollars from our economy, including more than one billion in ticket sales. The only reason why they said ticket sales is because it's the theater owners organization. But they're saying tens of billions of dollars from the economy.

Starting point is 00:12:55 I just don't believe that. I have a really hard time without any sources cited believing tens of billions of dollars would show up in the american economy if they somehow deleted piracy i don't see it happening i think the bigger issue for me is that we haven't really oh man yeah it's a tough one because you know at other points on this show we've talked about how the media production industry is obviously in trouble right oh it's in huge trouble but when you when you kind of dig down and try and figure out okay like you know what is the trouble where is it coming from um it seems to be from a lack of of of truly creative innovative content right like the marvelization of everything when you look at what happened i mean and it's funny because i'm the examples i'm

Starting point is 00:13:50 about to use of of something that that broke out of the the doldrums that the movie industry is in are both huge ips right like the super mario movie and barbie right um but i think that showed that there's absolutely an appetite the problem with this is that the problem with this whole argument and man i'm gonna be in trouble for a hot take here um the problem with this argument that you've stolen hundreds of thousands of jobs from workers is that i don't think that right now there is a content volume problem when it comes to low quality garbage that people don't want to watch anyway. I think the content problem that we have is innovative, exciting content. And no offense, but you are not hiring those hundreds of thousands of people yeah in your hypothetical

Starting point is 00:14:47 scenario where there is no piracy and you have way more tickets fighting really hard to not hire them how many actual like directors have financially successful you know let's say more than three financially successful movies under their belt and And it's going to be, this is a number that's going to be in the dozens or hundreds, not the thousands, tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands. And obviously there's more than a director that just works on a movie. But my point is just how small that tip of the iceberg of what we see at Hollywood is, the ones that break out, the ones that are super successful versus the ones that are just successful versus the ones that um

Starting point is 00:15:26 are just working on yet another reality tv show like are you telling me that if you had more movie ticket sales you would stop making you know just stupid random reality tv series and you would you would you just be incentivized you take a home run swing at a movie i i don't know man i don't know if i buy it yeah i just the the argument stinks in my opinion i'm not i'm not saying like rah-rah piracy or anything i just think a lot of the arguments around it are um very sensationalized i think i'm sure there's a financial impact to the industry um i think in my opinion the movie industry in general has always had a like acquisition issue movies and tv shows like how do i get this thing what temporary service do i have to subscribe to

Starting point is 00:16:24 to be able to watch it i can't get a permanent copy at all anymore that's the biggest problem for me right yeah like there's so many issues with that i i could not really understand what the point of piracy was during the golden days of netflix yeah totally agreed i'm pretty sure we talked on wancho but like you know putting the hat in the closet because like there's no reason right now i now it's strongly coming back out obviously they don't have hard numbers on this but i was reading a different article not the one that was about this recently that um figured based on some number that someone pulled out of their butt somewhere that piracy was up about 12% year over year.

Starting point is 00:17:08 And this is in America. Not surprised at all. It doesn't surprise me one bit. I am simply not going to subscribe to Disney+, and Amazon Prime, and Netflix, and Hulu, and Paramount+,

Starting point is 00:17:24 and whatever the HBO one is called now. I was sitting here trying to think of what its name was. I don't care. I don't know. I don't care. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I haven't seen Game of Thrones. Yeah, because you don't have the thing.

Starting point is 00:17:39 Well, that's also because I don't want to until he's done writing the books. But I just mean, I don't think I've seen an HBO show since... People are saying Crave Max. Oh, HBO Max? Yeah, Max. That's right. Crave in Canada.

Starting point is 00:17:53 Is Crave the one with Letterkenny? Crave licenses HBO shows in Canada. Yeah, Crave has Letterkenny, which is great. But then I don't want anything else on Crave. So it's just like, I guess I'll subscribe and then try to binge watch it really hard and then leave. I want anything else on crave so it's just like i guess i'll subscribe and then try to binge watch it really hard and then leave like i want to just buy it syphilis says lol poor linus he's gonna die before that book is done are you is that a threat are you threatening me i'm kidding i know he means george rr martin no i just i just

Starting point is 00:18:20 what am i not allowed to pretend to misunderstand things no okay oh i can buy the deep they're just dvds what's a dvd letter canny oh okay cool but i want blu-rays i don't ever just use ai upscaling got that good i haven't done it it's getting pretty good um no i wouldn't say that you can go to 480p and are from 480p and it'll be a great experience um if you've got at least a 720p source it's looking pretty good on a 1080p source 4k is like why bother yeah um one thing that's not there yet is the sdr to hdr up conversion but i like seeing where nvidia's at with that today right seeing where they started with upscaling in games and where they are now oh yeah yeah i think we're headed in in if give them a few more years and uh if they ever finally release a new shield pro um so some more hardware give them a few more years

Starting point is 00:19:27 and some more hardware and i am i am pretty stoked on where i think we're going to be with just being able to enjoy whatever copy of a piece of media you happen to own at whatever resolution and color space you want obviously it would be better to have a human do it properly and the definitive piece uh or like the definitive version of that content is probably going to be that but i think that ai upscaling and ai sdr to hdr conversion is going to be good enough for most people um with that said a lot of the time the newer grade is not necessarily better if people are apparently like super po'd about uh aliens is blu-ray 4k blu-ray release oh yeah something something it's it's more of it's more of like the film buff type stuff than what i think

Starting point is 00:20:20 the average person would care about but it's's pretty common, not just to get like, you know, the, the star Wars or, or ET effect where they, you know, digitally remove guns or, you know,

Starting point is 00:20:31 who shot first or whatever else. Right. It's, it's, it's not all that kind of thing. Um, sometimes it's just like, Oh yeah,

Starting point is 00:20:37 they, they didn't go back to the original, um, film. Like they, they didn't restore it. They just took, uh, some, some some other um master

Starting point is 00:20:48 and just kind of you know i don't know applied an upscaling filter and then sharpened it and then re-softened it to make it kind of look like it was higher res um so i don't know exactly what happened with uh aliens let's see if anyone is, it looks like this is something that hasn't really made its way outside of, you know, r slash blu-ray or whatever the blu-ray enthusiast subreddit is. I don't even remember anymore. But some people are definitely mad about it. Oh, yeah. Okay. Someone said the Matrix had some mastering issues where they got rid of the green and blue tints. And that's the kind of thing that can happen accidentally if someone's working on... And I don't know if that's what happened in that case, but that's something that can happen accidentally if the people working on the remaster don't understand or remember the original intent for why it was graded in that particular way.

Starting point is 00:21:48 for why it was graded in that particular way and i i was spending some googling trying to figure out how to get shorezy and letter kenny which is the two shows from the same group that are highly related same universe um and a lot of the responses are like yeah it's super annoying you just have to like actively be subscribed to crave by the junkie DVDs or insert what you can assume. Right. And it's like, yeah, why,

Starting point is 00:22:10 why can't I just get a high quality version that I can watch whenever I want? I don't want to binge. They have like eight seasons of letter Kenny and like multiple seasons of shorts. No, I don't want to have a financial incentive to subscribe for one month and then just DJ and super hard and watch all to subscribe for one month and then just degen

Starting point is 00:22:25 super hard and watch all of this in one month and then shut it off like just let me own the copies in decent quality and i've been pretty firm that i'm not gonna buy any copy of a movie or tv show that is reliant upon a service staying up and we are already seeing that prediction of mine that anything that you buy from a web shop that is reliant upon accessing it through that web shop authorizing or anything like that you do not own yeah they'll take it down they'll edit it they'll change they'll get acquired it doesn't matter so this is one of those things where guys to be clear i mean i think that you've heard my stance on piracy enough times um does it have does it have harms um yeah i mean i don't think there's any question of that is it as easy to quantify as uh executives will make it sound when they're doing a little presentation to their little industry buddies no are we telling you never do it or you're a bad person for doing it no we're not

Starting point is 00:23:30 doing that either we're just telling you you know consider consider the impact yeah that's all i say um and also good luck mpa you are going to have to fundamentally shift the North American, the Western philosophy of the internet in order to make this work. And I really just don't think it's going to happen. Yeah. It might be time to dust the hats off. If you don't have one, you can get it into the store.

Starting point is 00:23:59 It's a funny joke. I'm trying to have plausible deniability that I'm not telling people to become pirates. Really? Yeah. And your way of doing that was telling them that they could do way to go way to go where did you even go what did you where i just closed it oh you closed it yeah so you're sorry your way was to tell them to buy a hat yeah because it was my plausible deniability that I wasn't saying pirate hat. I see. Prove that's not a pirate hat. Modern pirates wear any hat they want. Also, I couldn't help noticing that it is water resistant, which is perfect when you are...

Starting point is 00:24:38 On the high seas. On the high seas. Oh, boy. Should we rename it to pirate hat kind of tempted to just include like a trial for a vpn change nothing change nothing just okay okay okay hear me out do we take a VPN sponsorship again if we're just like here's the talking points

Starting point is 00:25:15 it's for piracy that's the world's most honest VPN pitch I feel like the biggest issue with them is the talking points so like i mean our talking points were always fine clean yeah like it's one of those things where i feel like a lot of the negativity around vpn sponsorships was from creators who and to be clear i don't actually blame them. You cannot expect every random makeup or gaming or nature or history creator to completely understand the ins and outs of a technology product like a VPN. You know, should creators have a responsibility for the products that they promote? Yeah, yes.

Starting point is 00:26:05 But I also think that the issues around VPNs are a little bit more complicated and nuanced than, um, you could reasonably expect, you know, your aunt who makes YouTube videos to fully grasp. Um, and so, you know, we pushed back on the VPN providers that we worked with, especially as my knowledge grew about them, and we ensured that our talking points were aligned with what we believed was the usefulness of VPNs. But I think a lot of negativity around VPN sponsorship

Starting point is 00:26:44 came from these people who were promoting them in ways that just were not true. Now, one of the challenges with that is that obviously they got those talking points from somewhere. So we would be working with a company almost, and all of, almost all of them do this.

Starting point is 00:26:59 We would be working with a company that did actively promote their products in, uh, in a deceptive way. So, on the other hand, it's clearly an important part of your online privacy toolkit, which is the way that we had been positioning it most recently when we were working um when we were working with pia so in my opinion as long as your talking points are fine and clear i think it's okay a lot of people when they talk about this including some of the people in the chat right now have been spamming links to a video um whatever i'll just name it it's a video from tom scott called this video is sponsored by

Starting point is 00:27:45 blank vpn tom scott's more recent videos are sponsored by a vpn company and what he was saying in this video is that the the marketing and the talking points are misleading and bad and he was totally right but he eventually takes the sponsorship from a vpn company and just doesn't have misleading and bad talking points. So it's fine. And it's funny because there was a lot of brigading against us after he launched that video. And I was kind of sitting here going, what? We agree.

Starting point is 00:28:18 Yeah. What do you want? That was a very frustrating time. Super frustrating time. Because his video was great um yeah it's a it's a good it's a good point um cool story bro yeah uh we got you yeah yeah and to be clear like this is this is this is mostly in the response to the to people trying to use it to say that there should never be any VPN sponsorships and no one should ever use a VPN. It's like, well, hold on. You're swinging too far.

Starting point is 00:28:52 The Tom Scott video didn't swing that far. You're swinging beyond where it was going. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I think I might just be, I think I might just be open to, to working with them again. Like I gotta look full transparency with you guys, which always gets me in trouble, which is great,

Starting point is 00:29:10 but for better or for worse, those of you who are the real ones who understand that we're being transparent with you. And when we are transparent, it doesn't mean that, you know, we have that much more to hide because that's the stuff he tells us. We're actually just telling you real talk,

Starting point is 00:29:25 how we do things here. VPN sponsorships are, if not the most financially impactful, they are among the most financially impactful out of everyone that we have ever worked with. There's a lot of money in VPNs to the point where we not only considered but even went as far as prototyping our own vpn it worked it was great yeah yeah it was up multiple people were using it like it it's actually incredibly easy to do it's not still up is it

Starting point is 00:29:59 no are you sure yes i had to think for a second but yeah i remember it being shut down right just making sure but i mean you could literally turn it back on in like 10 minutes oh my god not to the degree that we had it because we actually had like distributed so it was it was it was really cool jonathan and aj were like really motivated because it seemed like a fun thing to do and they just smashed it um yeah it was actually like great it makes me sad because it was very well like thought out implemented done future planned all that type of stuff it was really really well scoped in those those guys did a great job with it and it just we didn't want to go anywhere because we started talking to lawyers and they posed some questions to us about like you know if you want your stance

Starting point is 00:30:47 to be no disclosure whatever are you okay with these things happening on a service that you run and we were like uh no basically the question was are you okay enabling pedos yeah and we were like nah i guess we won't make all of the money in the world it would have been all of the money in the world though we ran the math it would have been the world would have run out of money before we would have yeah especially with our audience and with the numbers that we know from working with vpn providers in the past it was that we know we could have pushed it was huge even if we retained if i remember correctly if we were able to capture i think it was like 25 of what we had literally already captured we would have just been making

Starting point is 00:31:33 monster money yep and it's like oh so then the question becomes what's the difference what is the difference between us making a vpn and making money and us taking the money from companies that are profiting off of sheltering ne'er-do-wells it is a it is an interesting one but i think that's a question that you could pose to like almost anything yeah but don't whataboutism it. You just did. That's what this is. No. That's what this question is.

Starting point is 00:32:10 No. No, no, that's not whataboutism. I'm saying here's something really bad. Yeah. And you're saying, well, what about other things that are bad? And I'm saying, no, answer the question. Okay. I think it's still okay, personally.

Starting point is 00:32:26 Because you're not telling people, hey, are you this thing that's really bad? Use this one. It's good. You're talking about, actually, in this situation, specifically promoting it for piracy, which is questionable in its own right. And something we would not be able to do if it was our own service just to be super clear but what we could do is say vpns are for piracy now

Starting point is 00:32:52 and then make our own vpn later but never mention it again yeah i um yeah it's so what is the difference between profiting from it directly and to be clear i actually like have an answer in mind i'm not just trying to give you a hard time i think it's doing the action of of knowing that you're covering the trace for a certain type of people so i thought that's kind of what i was expecting him to say and i guess i guess the difference is that as the owner right because there's no such thing as a completely untraceable connection it is traced to somewhere and then it is encrypted right so so when you're using a vpn it's a relay right so if there's some server hosting awful unspeakable liability content no

Starting point is 00:33:44 it's this is not, this is not a, this is not a question of liability. Uh, there's, there's VPNs that operate out of Canada. Clearly it can be managed. Yeah. Um,

Starting point is 00:33:52 so, so if, if there's a server that has some unspeakable image or, or video or whatever it is on it, right. And there's a user who's accessing it. What the VPN does is it encrypts this leg, right? So it, video or whatever it is on it right and there's a user who's accessing it what the vpn does is it encrypts this leg right so any traffic monitoring that is happening still shows that

Starting point is 00:34:13 unspeakable content arriving at your node so they will come and they will ask you where did it go you where did it go and luke lafreniere cto or whatever c-suite like would have to dive title we give him would have to say i will not answer that question i know who they are well no or no logs okay but i could find out i could it. And I will choose not to. I could do something about it. I will dive in front of this person. I will decide. I will decide to not do this, to do nothing about it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:54 To stand idly by. Yeah. And I'm just like literally not willing to do that. Yeah. So if I'm not willing to do that and we advertise this service. That people do use for that. Saying, hey, there's no logs. Then we'd have to go against what we were saying because I'm not going to say no to that.

Starting point is 00:35:13 So we're going to have logs. And then it's like, wait, we said we weren't going to have logs. So we can't really run this thing. Yeah. But if someone else runs it, we're okay with it. People are going to use it no matter what if they want to use it and support us neat and the vast majority of our audience is going to use it for fine probably downloading movies we could promote kitchen knives

Starting point is 00:35:38 people could use them for making food people could also use them for bad things in the kitchen knife scenario there's no logging to figure out who used your thing for bad stuff it's not a perfect analogy no it's really not but like i don't know you can promote that people use something for good stuff um is piracy that maybe some forms this is gonna be the spiciest wan show ever yeah i don't know why we're doing this necessarily but it's a good conversation this is a good conversation is it i think so i'm i'm interested let us know is this a good conversation are you guys interested no one's like move on like they tell us when they hate what we're talking about there's people talking about drastically unrelated things yeah it's always like that yeah people are like this is great

Starting point is 00:36:28 this is how we do here this is how we make decisions the conversations we have on wanshow are really not that different from the conversations that we have off of wanshow quite related yeah except that y'all are watching it yeah yeah voyeuristic weirdos especially the ones that are here live do we uh you can do that to the vpn as well how do i do that how do i how do i show them win cam look at that we got some winners in the house look at the prime seat up front wow that's a glorious position uh a while back we ran a contest draw sweepstakes i don't know what to call it but basically it's very comfy people who bought the 3d down jacket one in however many people who purchased it uh were eligible for and all actually i don't know if all expenses were

Starting point is 00:37:18 paid but definitely the travel definitely the plane and hotel were paid to come to the headquarters, get a tour and hang out. They're actually like I could almost spit on them, but I wouldn't because they're above me and it would actually come back because gravity and hit me myself. So I would I could spit on myself and almost reach them. They're like right above us right now. I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Dan, are we doing live Q&A with these live merch messages is that a thing yeah i believe they're gonna come down here and we can hang out okay well why don't we do another topic real quick and then we'll we'll bring on one of them for our merch message break after topic two i think part of it too

Starting point is 00:37:59 is for the service to exist like at all, it basically has to harbor bad stuff. So there isn't really any getting around how it has to work. And I'm just not willing to run it. But I've used them relatively extensively. I suggest that other people use them relatively extensively. So if I'm going to do so, can I not also recommend one to use? I think that's fine but i'm not willing to run it myself so there you go you know what colton if you're watching this

Starting point is 00:38:32 get pia on the phone doors open yeah let's uh it's fine to me like even when we stopped the sponsorship i was kind of like i kept using it okay yeah exactly like i haven't canceled like 80 of other creators that have like nord sponsorships or whatever they are people aren't just going to find it there and you know what's funny is that what's the difference as far as i can tell and you know this is this is the more just like cynical business side of me as far as i can tell stopping our vpn sponsorships has earned us exactly this much goodwill anyway yeah i i didn't see during any controversy during any kind of kerfuffle i haven't seen a single single person that's gone man remember when vpn sponsorships were not cool and linus media group didn't take them for

Starting point is 00:39:27 literally years yeah and there's lots of other sponsors who've done the same thing for it so i'm kind of sitting here going like you know whatever i still i'm not saying that to be very clear just because someone's going to quote that and then yeah try to throw me under 18 different buses i'm not saying that we shouldn't keep doing that but especially if like we genuinely don't like it's yeah we use vpns it's fine this one seems fine cool and then we control the talking points what at this point i think we're only doing it because people like asked us not to which is like whatever man yeah if we're gonna stop a sponsorship with someone because their customer support is super bad and we've had a lot of uh you know our own user base report that as an issue and we try

Starting point is 00:40:13 to follow up on it and we haven't seen any good improvements obviously every company's gonna have some customer support issues here or there but like it's it's at unreasonable levels or we find that their product is not set satisfactory enough for whatever reason whatever else like there's there's reasons why we cancel sponsorships there's reasons why we don't do certain things that's cool we should keep doing that but like if this was a goodwill move yeah i don't think it mattered anyways no i don't think it made any difference whatsoever i don't think we're going back to Tunnel Bear, though. Yeah, see, but there was a reason... Someone's suggesting... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:46 So, like... But P.I. is still around. They seem fine. I haven't heard anything bad. I don't know. Maybe there is bad... They were acquired by Cape. Okay.

Starting point is 00:40:55 And Cape has had a complicated history. Okay. I think is probably the most generous possible... I haven't listened to this stuff in years. I don't know. Me neither. Yeah. So maybe we should dip our toes back in i have no idea what cape is up to these days i have no idea what nord's been up to lately uh a lot of people in chat are saying i'm i'm i use pia i use pia lots blah blah blah it's like yeah but we promoted pia for years as well so probably a lot

Starting point is 00:41:21 of them that might be why they still have the subscription yeah so man now i wish we had the uh yeah top gear 1224 is like canceling asus was wild after they paid for ltx so that's a perfect example of how a i haven't seen anyone credit a we don't earn goodwill when we do things the community calls for we just get people mad at us when we don't earn goodwill when we do things the community calls for. We just get people mad at us when we don't do whatever they demand. And B, how the community does not understand how things work behind the scenes here. And whenever they draw conclusions based on their understanding, almost invariablyably the conclusion is wrong because their understanding is wrong asus didn't pay for ltx the attendees paid for ltx like the the amount

Starting point is 00:42:14 of speculation that asus had us under their thumb because of the sponsor okay like they they're a major sponsor i might be able to add some context there yeah sure uh the amount you guys charged is not in line with other conventions that i've seen for booths for sponsored uh like title sponsors for anything like that the amount of income coming from those things was like orders of magnitude lower than the numbers that i know from certain people that run other certain conventions like way way way way way lower even even considering uh like differences in attendance rates and stuff like that sure like it's and there's reasons for that because linus was super and i'm not against this i'm pointing at you because it was your idea but i actually i liked it but linus was super militant about like if you have a booth there has to be something cool there

Starting point is 00:43:03 that people can do and all this kind of stuff so the convention was really fun because you walk into all these conventions that are just like uh it's basically just a bunch of stores or a bunch of like info booths that aren't very interesting so we wanted to be more interactive and cool but doing that meant that a lot of these big players that go and spend big money at these shows were not really interested because they have a booth that they bring to shows all year it does one thing and they don't want to make it do a special thing just for this one show so we didn't capture a lot of that but i think that's probably where some assumption comes from is often those title sponsors are like big money really big money well that's fair enough um top gear says whoa whoa i didn't say that i was just saying counseling a

Starting point is 00:43:44 headline sponsor type profile. No, no, I'm not, I don't, I'm not meaning to call you out or anything. I'm just saying that people generally do not, do not understand,

Starting point is 00:43:53 um, the dynamics at play here. And it wasn't you, but it was a lot of people when, when Asus was under fire, uh, for their handling of particularly some, some warranty issues.

Starting point is 00:44:04 There were a lot of people saying well ltt is not going to say anything because there there is no tech brand that we're not willing to speak out against um and there's a reason that major tech brands either don't work with us for years at a time. We didn't work with NVIDIA for over two years on a sponsored basis. They begrudgingly, especially at first, later on things were a lot smoother, but at first they begrudgingly seeded us cards for reviews just so that we could do our basic coverage of them.

Starting point is 00:44:39 That was it. There are major tech brands that simply do not talk to us at all we're not in this industry to make friends apple has my digits i know they do because i've exchanged emails with a rep one time when they needed something from me every other time that i've reached out to them they have explicitly ignored it um so consider who you're going after if it's if it's you know the corruption you're trying to root out if it's the people who play the game we've shown time and time and time again we're willing to stand behind what we say we're willing to stand behind what we say. We're willing to stand behind what we believe. Where was the thing?

Starting point is 00:45:29 Two quick things on the convention topic. If you want to look into booth prices, something that's very interesting is Battlestate Games, the people that run Tarkov, are incorporated in the UK or something instead of Russia. And that means all of their corporate documents and finances and stuff are public you can look up how much they spend on booths it will blow your freaking mind really i'm talking like half a million dollars a show sometimes wow like okay yeah we were not getting that kind of money no they're also going on stuff like gamescom sure but like yeah that's huge huge money in

Starting point is 00:46:03 booths um also uh i'm going to open sauce come say hi it's gonna be really fun i'm doing a panel and i'll be hanging out during the show i realize i haven't told anyone all right one more about to get us canceled topic nice let's go you organize your welches is that the topic no um that's not gonna get me canceled they all have ocd anyway um i i've made a grid out of my gummy candies here you can't really see it because it's behind my perfectly they're all in the same direction linus has adhd color this is a this is a good thing all right a small distraction over on floatplane asks is there ever an ethical

Starting point is 00:46:46 gambling sponsorship adults can choose their vices like basically the question is if it's legal why are we taking some kind of moral high ground here it's something people enjoy it's something that has made its way into mainstream acceptance especially over the last five to ten years what's our problem why don't we just get the bag is i'm and i'm i'm expanding on the question a little bit obviously here but i'm thinking of my my immediate jump to would go extreme levels of mental manipulation in order to ruin your life um and i think that's like genuinely the main goal of the entire thing i don't think there's a positive to it literally at all ever uh the only person i have ever seen that has had a healthy relationship with it was uh john martin actually um and hit the way that

Starting point is 00:47:40 he would do it was writer yeah he would leave. Yeah, he would leave anything... He doesn't mean was John Martin. John Martin still exists and still works here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Still cool. I meant because this story is old. Saw him at Christmas. He looks great. Yeah, he actually does. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:53 He's doing good. Anyway. He would leave any way of increasing the amount of funds on hand at home, go with a fixed amount of money, and he enjoyed the process. So to him, he was like, I'll bring as much as I would take to go see a fixed amount of money and he enjoyed the process so to him he was like i'll bring as much as i would take to go see a movie i'll get free food because they give you free food when you're there i'll play some games until i'm out of money or when i get a reasonable amount and feel like i'm happy and then i'll go home and then that is like i am accepting an entertainment

Starting point is 00:48:19 expense for the night and there is no way for me to extend it i respected that that seemed fine um the positive is the winnings you know you don't get it man no that's not you don't win the house always wins yeah everybody knows that yeah sorry dude and like i appreciate your full point subscriber all that kind of stuff but like you're that's not you you lose that's how that works and you is not necessarily you personally yeah you you is the personally might have that one time unprecedented streak of luck but you collectively definitely mathematically lose yeah and like man the problem the problem with saying the upsides is the winnings yeah is you just wholeheartedly accepting the upside is the mental manipulation that is going to eventually rip all my money away and like the one i've talked about you're taking the dopamine loop

Starting point is 00:49:20 that they want you to take which is bad i've talked about this on the land show before but like a big moment for me was just walking around in las vegas for the first time every like man those the bathrooms are so clean like you could eat off them they're huge the ceilings are 30 feet high and and painted like the sky. Like it's like every, every, every inch of it, every brick that was laid was laid with money taken from people who traveled there. Everything they possibly can to communicate to you that you will lose and

Starting point is 00:49:56 horrific. And this is how much you're going to give us. Not you personally, necessarily, but you walking into the mouth of a demon, you collectively are here to enrich us this much. And even if you win, guess what?

Starting point is 00:50:15 We're going to fill this place with fine food and products that are also going to give you a dopamine hit and activities, which to be clear, I have no problem with activities. The point is we're going to fill you a dopamine hit and activities which to be clear i have no problem with activities the point is we're going to fill this place with all this stuff so that even when you win you're going to spend it easy come easy go you're going to spend it oh guess what on establishments within our buildings that we own that funnel that money back to us in the form of rent. The whole thing is designed where even if you walk out of Las Vegas up $200 after you spent, you know,

Starting point is 00:50:53 a hundred of it on, let's say, a necklace or something, they are still, they are still going to keep some of your money there. So why don't we take gambling sponsorships? keep some of your money there so why don't we take gambling sponsorships because neither luke nor i believe it has i used to i used to work at any reason to promote it yeah we don't i used to work at the bread factory and there was uh i'm not saying dudes there because there was only men there i'm saying dudes there because i actually don't think any of the women had negative gambling problems only the guys did so l men but um there was many times and many different people that people would

Starting point is 00:51:38 come into work and you'd hear them like begging for extra hours and you try to figure out what's going on and it turns out that they yet again gambled their rent away and are worried about becoming homeless they could have easily afforded their rent they were doing fine we made pretty good money at that point in time i knew these people i knew they were doing okay they were living within means everything was okay but they gabbled away they lost it and then they'll oh almost you know lost everything one more double or nothing that was rough and then a few months later the same thing happens because you're you're being mentally manipulated you're being controlled like just don't allow this to happen and don't feed into it and yeah i don't know i probably it's so bad i'd probably promote alcohol and cigarettes

Starting point is 00:52:22 before i'd promote gambling speaking of vicesices, right? Like you were saying, let people pick their vices. They're adults, and that's fair enough. And you know what? Like, to Luke's point, some people can have a healthy relationship. I actually fully respect John's approach. 100%. I had not met someone with a healthy relationship. And your brain's just about going to fall out of your head.

Starting point is 00:52:43 I had not met someone with a healthy relationship with smoking until i met one of my badminton friends she will light up one cigarette like once a quarter just be like i like this i like to enjoy it once in a while and then we'll just not smoke for a month, two months, three months. I mean, I still think it's bad, but... It's not good for you, but it's not going to kill them. Four cigarettes a year is not going to kill someone, Luke. Inhaling smoke is just bad. Sure, but you'd probably be worse off sitting around the campfire all summer.

Starting point is 00:53:23 That's very true. That's why I hesitated a little bit. I was was like there's a lot worse things let's be real here yeah i mean it's that's i mean it's not as bad as like chain smoking i don't know it's one of those things where it's like yeah you can have a just but to be clear there's really weird arguments you can make about the upsides of nicotine and things get really odd when you start going down that path. But then there's, there's much healthier ways to ingest nicotine.

Starting point is 00:53:53 If you're going for the, the positive effects that it does have, even though it does have really addictive properties, all this other kinds of like, it gets really messy, but yeah. So it's one of those things, to be clear, man, some people seem confused.

Starting point is 00:54:07 We are not going to be promoting smoking or alcohol. No, no, no, no. That's not the point. The point is just that it kind of doesn't matter because these are things that, in general, are designed to entrap. They're designed to be addictive. They are designed to entrap uh to design be addictive they're designed to not necessarily they're designed to but they hurt you yeah and you know what i think we make a bit of an exception for like mobile games for example um our line is that it has to be fun without paying

Starting point is 00:54:41 um that's a pretty good line in my opinion because there are mobile games that are fun there are mobile games that are free that are fun um i like pokemon go i don't engage with it in a way that i feel like it is being predatory to me i think it's fine i saw oh i saw i saw one comment a little while back and unfortunately i i uh i lost it but it was it was it was a good one someone was basically like yeah gambling is fine if it's you and your buds playing poker and you know that if you lost your buddy won 100 that's a totally different thing i've got no problem with that if there was if there was gamble with your friends.com and their model was that they took like, let's say 1% off the top or something like that,

Starting point is 00:55:30 because realistically a lot of the odds are, are kind of like that anyway. But the house was never just like, like, like blackjack, right? Like the house was never just like taking all of someone's money. I honestly think I could could i could maybe accept that

Starting point is 00:55:47 what would it even would it would it would just support poker is that correct sure or just any anything where you are betting with well no we can't enforce that it's with people's friends we can't enforce that relationship yeah yeah and then it just becomes a poker website yeah okay well hypothetically right in in a perfect you know imaginary utopia if there was gamble with your friends.com and it was the online equivalent of just you're all busy and don't have time to gather around that stereotypical round table just off to the side in the kitchen right i know that some people don't like playing things like poker when there is no uh stakes in this case the easiest one is probably financial but some people will do other things and that's fine but uh they don't play like playing it when there is none because people just like go all in every hand and like not really take it very

Starting point is 00:56:40 seriously so you kind of want something on the line so people play it more seriously that's all fine you do that with your buddies in the comfort of your own home whatever personally i don't care at all go have fun um it's it's the yeah it's the it's the more corporatized gambling that's a problem i'm even like i i generally don't take bets of like almost any kind lunch i'll do lunch yeah but then that's like the result of this bet is we go hang out yes which is like yeah everybody wins yeah exactly i'm totally cool with those but like hey i'll bet you i'll bet you 50 bucks that this team is going to beat this other team and insert sports game like i have no interest in that at all i don't know $20 buy-in no rebuy yeah see like that seems decently healthy to me as long as everyone can afford it you might not have a friend that can so that gets a little weird uncle charlie mt

Starting point is 00:57:37 volunteer fire department people hung around and played poker if you lost 20 bucks you went home nobody wanted mad wives nice see that seems pretty good that's probably okay yeah but there's no way to enforce that with an online service totally yeah so i just don't see i don't see how we could get involved in that yeah it's incredible how much money there is in it though like absolutely wild ah hey speaking of things that are incredible how much money is in them thank you so much for supporting us through ltstore.com we are going to do some merch messages ladies and gentle folk um the way merch messages work is all you got to do is instead of just throwing money at your screen randomly like you normally would on youtube or twitch or whatever else you can throw money at ltstore.com

Starting point is 00:58:21 all you got to do is add one of our fabulous products to your cart. And a little here. Let's go. We'll check out our zip-up mock neck. Look how stylish Tynan looks. Okay. Available at XXXL. We're going to add that to the cart.

Starting point is 00:58:37 I like the dark colored undershirt. That actually works really well. Anytime we are live, there will be a merch message banner here. So you can decide whether to make an anonymous or show your first and last name you can leave us a little message you can even pick your color how cute is that and it will go to producer dan there he is who will curate your message for me and luke or respond to it himself or forward it to the appropriate person or just blast it up on the bottom of the screen for everyone to admire and the best thing about merch messages is you can throw your money at the screen in order to interact with the show and even if we don't get to it or you know your

Starting point is 00:59:15 answer is something that we can't answer or whatever else it is you will still get your fantastic merchandise in the mail we've got a couple of new things that we are promoting on the store this week. We are launching two new apparel items. We've got the Pocket T-shirt and Zip-Up Mock Neck. So I showed you guys the Zip-Up Mock Neck already. It looks great, obviously.

Starting point is 00:59:39 Zipper Pocket. Got the little subtle LTT branding. How sharp does everybody look? YKK Zipper zipper of course because we are all about that quality you know the only thing that i don't like about our stealth branding in general i love it and i want it for myself but the only thing i don't like is sometimes when i'm like driving to work and stuff i'll notice someone walking down the street wearing like a sweater with the backpack or something i'm like hey cool and now i can't tell yeah well okay that's fair we're gonna good quality stuff luke we're gonna have something

Starting point is 01:00:09 coming for you nice it's gonna be very recognizable very out there i hope it's just your face no it will not be that do you remember the what was the Dennis shirt? The Dennis one. That was so good. We've also got our new Pocket t-shirt. It's a t-shirt. Now, with... Featuring Pocket. Infinity percent more Pocket. Whoa.

Starting point is 01:00:34 Yeah, that's right. Look at that. Pocket. Boom, right there. Boom, right there on the back. Kidding, kidding. Boom, Pocket. Available in black and blue. I mean, I'm sure we've got... Slate, sure. Yeah, we've probably got some fancy name for it. Boom, Pocket. Available in black and blue.

Starting point is 01:00:45 I mean, I'm sure we've got... Whatever color that is. Slate, sure. Yeah, we've probably got some fancy name for it. Yeah, Slate. That's a cool name for it. Slate. I like that.

Starting point is 01:00:51 It's really comfortable. Same fit as our blank tees. So if you love our tees and you love Pockets, we got you. We got you. Pocket gang. All right. Want to hit us with some merch messages.

Starting point is 01:01:04 Dan, do you want to do the in-person one first from the uh i was gonna ask you if you want let's do it let's do it all right all right on the winner we'll bring on the winner cam while we do that here come over here i think they're yeah oh wait it's like very in person oh wow we can put we can put both so many cameras oh my goodness camera-ception cameras for days it's everywhere yeah so yeah okay i think uh this is connor right yes hey connor and we've got some questions perfect thanks guys uh what i wanted to ask was whatever happened to ice giant cooling uh any updates on the next version of the pro siphon elite now that traditional air coolers and on uh all-in-ones are so effective and cheap,

Starting point is 01:01:46 did they miss the market opportunity? Good question. In terms of what happened to them, I don't think that anything in particular has happened to them other than that they made a really cool, really innovative product. And unfortunately, oh, am am i muted i got you oh i i don't think anything in particular has happened to them insofar as i don't think they've gone out of business or anything the last time they showed up on my radar someone on the forum messaged uh or messaged me or posted publicly i can't remember but i was paying attention to this this discussion that was taking place and they had an issue where they had lost their mounting hardware and they weren't

Starting point is 01:02:31 able to mount it to their new upgraded computer right because they were using one set and then they needed a new set ultimately i think the resolution to that was that ice giant did get them a replacement mounting kit so evidently they still exist uh luke is on their site right now yeah and they have a add to cart product page they have listings on their product page for three different things two of them are in stock ones out of stock it looks like a real site it's running through shopify so they're they're active there but the challenge for their product is that the problem that it solves is not necessarily one that most people have so they came along at what seemed like a really good time when thread ripper

Starting point is 01:03:15 5000 and subsequent generations of thread ripper were looking like we were going to have this need for coolers that were not just able to get the heat away from the CPU, but were able to dissipate that heat to the air around them. Because that's the advantage of the thermosiphon, right? Is that it does an incredible job of drawing a colossal amount of heat and distributing it to the fins so that it can dissipate it to the air. And it doesn't, it doesn't suffer from the same bottlenecks that heat pipes do. But the problem with that is that it's only really effective when you have a heat source that is outputting a ton of heat. And the thing about a lot of modern CPUs, now that AMD pays absolutely no attention to consumer Threadripper whatsoever, like we got what?

Starting point is 01:04:10 We got these like super high priced Threadripper and Threadripper Pro 7000 chips. Yeah. A year, a year and a half into the Zen 4 life cycle. Like, are you kidding me right now? If I'm an enthusiast, what, did I wait that long to be on the latest architecture? Like, come on, are you kidding me?

Starting point is 01:04:32 Right, so realistically, this is something professional users are using. The thermal challenges have been solved. The people who are actually running these things overclocked to the point where they really need to avoid overwhelming their heat pipes in order to get the heat away from the chips. Like, who are these people? And then on the Intel side, they're still using monolithic dies, right?

Starting point is 01:04:54 They're still using, and when I say monolithic, I mean single. I don't mean that they're actually big, right? They're still using these single dies where the bottleneck is not how much heat can we dissipate to the air like an nhd 15 is more than adequate to dissipate the 350 watts that you'll get out of a 14 900k the problem is that that heat is coming from such a concentrated tiny area that you can't get it away from there fast enough i mean that's why you see intel actually we didn't talk about this on wancho intel is allowing system integrators to ship their cpus delidded now select system integrators are shipping delidded top tier intel cpus it's actually insane yeah that blows my freaking mind with warranty yeah that's wild i know right that's not something i would have

Starting point is 01:05:46 seen that we're going back to the bear die baby yeah like what year is it 2003 that's not i mean intel had ihs's even then so my my point is that i don't think ice giant has gone anywhere so much as ice giants necessity of their product has gone somewhere. If we were getting regular updates for Threadripper at a reasonable price, and we had these large chips, where the challenge is, how do we get all the heat dissipated to the air?

Starting point is 01:06:16 Then I think there'd be a huge market for it. But as it is, on the Intel side, you got this tiny die, and the thermosiphon does nothing to help with that. And on the amd side there's no point overclocking their ryzen non-threadripper chips anyway what are you gonna do like get another 50 megahertz out of it you can't even you can't even really push them beyond their power limit not really i mean you obviously if you're an extreme overclocker, you're modifying the board. Yeah, exactly. I brought it to...

Starting point is 01:06:45 Not interested. Boom. Where's my... Luke muted. I can fight back. Got him. Wait, no, you didn't even do it. Yeah, I did.

Starting point is 01:06:55 Did you give me a fake button, Dan? No, I just am bad at my job. Oh, there it goes. Oh, I see. I accidentally picked the same one that chooses the wide cam how dare you that makes sense how dare you give me a fake luke no you just push it until it turns red you're fine i'm sorry dan i'll take all the repercussions from this i appreciate it what what is happening no no i'm just actually incompetent just push it until it turns red i

Starting point is 01:07:20 appreciate you diving under that bus dan i got I got you. All right. Good question. Thank you very much. I know they were talking about a copper version forever, and I was just curious. You never heard anything about it, and it just makes me wonder what kind of they're going to be doing in the future. I mean, look, even when you have a really successful product, it's really tough to maintain the kind of revenues that you need to support r&d to build another product screwdriver if you're supporting any other people screwdriver has been colossally

Starting point is 01:07:53 successful for us we've sold over 130 000 screwdrivers now uh you know that's pretty easy math to do you guys you can you can do it at home on your calculatrice um but these days i mean we are down to moving compared to what we did at launch right we are now moving in a month what we might have done in an hour on launch day right like it's not it's not on the same scale and you have to continue to evolve the product and innovate you have to continue to support all the people who are out there owning the product already and who are, you know, contacting you a year later. Hey, I'm having this issue or whatever the case may be. There's a lot of overhead involved in running a business. And so, you know, that's why you see the really successful companies like the Corsairs of the world go out and they're looking for a new vertical to attack pretty much every year, whether it's cases or power supplies or peripherals or streaming or whatever those guys are doing freaking everything now and there's a reason for it because if you're not growing your product portfolio it's actually really really hard to sustain your business

Starting point is 01:08:58 there's only so much innovation that you can do on a cooler you could make a copper one sure but i mean i can tell you right now, based on what I know about the differences in the thermal characteristics of aluminum and copper, that copper cooler was going to be a degree or three better, and it was going to cost so much more that realistically very few people were going to spring for the copper one.

Starting point is 01:09:20 Would have looked sick. I know, right? Would have looked really good. I know. But very expensive. All right, Dan, do you want to hit us with a digital merch message? Would have looked really good. I know. But very expensive. All right, Dan, do you want to hit us with a digital merch message? Oh, okay. Thank you so much.

Starting point is 01:09:30 Let's have a look. Okay. Hey, a little. Got a new job as a USB test engineer, and I've almost convinced my supervisor to buy the $15,000 cable tester you guys reviewed. What are the coolest tests Lab has coming up, in your opinion? I kind of wish we could ask some questions back. I know, right?

Starting point is 01:09:52 We know who they are. You could email them. We're actually upgrading our cable tester, so that's going to be something. Buy our used one! Because you know that we're, well, I think we're still going to be using the one we have, one because you know that we're we're well i think we're still going to be using the one we have but we're going to need an upgraded one when we work on our cables because we want to validate them for um data rates that our current cable tester is not capable of handling makes sense that's going to be a somewhat recurring expense i guess i think probably the coolest thing i don't know everything's cool

Starting point is 01:10:27 those guys are working on so much cool stuff a really cool one that i saw is this um thermal test platform that has i think it's like it's either six or nine sensor locations and they created a custom pcb for the uh for the monitoring piece that outputs the logs of the temperature in the case and all these different spots because we don't want to just review a GPU and show the GPU temps. We want to review a GPU and show the GPU temps and the temps near your VRMs

Starting point is 01:10:59 and the temps all over your case, right? Oh my goodness. So we can try to quantify, okay, this cooler design, does it assist with exhausting the hot air out of the back of the case? Does it blow all the hot air up toward your CPU area? Have you had any companies reach out and be like, this is scary? Of course.

Starting point is 01:11:19 Why are you guys looking so closely? Well, yeah. But that's our job. That's pretty funny. i haven't heard of that personally that was a genuine question i just yeah i mean yeah there's obviously going to be people that don't like it most of them are smart enough to not express any trepidation because then we're going to know to dig and you you look further. Yeah, exactly. All right. Do you want to give me one more, Dan?

Starting point is 01:11:47 Yep, absolutely. Hi, Linus, Luke, and Dan. This is weird. They're doing it normally. Yeah, who does that? What's wrong with that? How is daily driving high RROLED? Is it more efficient than IPS LCD?

Starting point is 01:12:03 Also, ever try TinyOS 11? It's a stripped-down Windows 11 OS. I use it and love it because it's no useless crap. We've had, looking at alternative stripped-down OSs, again, on our list of things to do for a little while. I think that we're going to get to it.

Starting point is 01:12:20 It's a matter of time. There can be some... There's some issues. Yeah, there's some matter of time. There can be some... There's some issues. Yeah, there's some issues with these. Some of them have kind of worked around the licensing issues with Microsoft. Others, it seems like, have not quite so much. There's also issues around trust. You know, what is this script doing exactly?

Starting point is 01:12:39 I haven't personally gone in and vetted every line of code. So if I haven't, you know, what's my confidence level recommending it and there are some that are and then what if they update it after you do widely enough known that there's a level of trust there but hey uh it's trust and verify right so if i'm just trusting then i'm not really verifying we've ran into this issue before well we'll release a video about something and then that thing will change but it's significantly harder to change the video yep and we've also run into um we've also run into issues where even seemingly well-intentioned you know community efforts have evolved over time like it used to be that we would call out community like funny community uh domains um like people would make people would make like

Starting point is 01:13:22 funny websites and stuff based on jokes we'd make about domain name ideas. And we'd, we'd go to them and we'd laugh at the things that they've done. And then we would find out that later they had altered it for like self-promotion or, or some other kind of thing. Like they hadn't in good faith continued the joke. There was one in particular that went like really far to the point where it it was super not okay um impersonation trying to get money out of people tracking information all this type of stuff like it was really bad so we try not to do that yeah so we basically like it's this is why we can't have nice things right yeah as for daily driving high refresh rate oled i wouldn't say it's more efficient than ips i mean oled has its own power draw issues um in fact i'm

Starting point is 01:14:12 you know what i don't know i'm gonna go ahead and say i don't know i actually don't think power consumption is part of our test suite for most monitors these days although we did check out a monitor recently that draws six watts 31 and a half inches does up to 2200 nits peak brightness what and draws six watts see if you can figure it out i'll let him think for a second and then i'll finish talking about high refresh rate oled it's super cool it's. I don't know for sure if it will be, you know, if there will be zero burn in forever. It looks, the indications are that QD OLED is pretty good these days,

Starting point is 01:14:56 but we're going to have to see how it goes. I did think of this before chat said it. Okay. What is it? It's not E-Ink, is it? No. Yeah, okay, then I have no idea. It's LCD.

Starting point is 01:15:04 I have no clue. It makes LCD. I have no clue. It makes no sense to me at all. You heard it here first? Luke has no clue. Lukehasnoclue.com. Yeah. Oh. Why would you do this?

Starting point is 01:15:13 We just talked about this. Because it's really funny. But it's going to be a domain in, like, minutes. I know. Don't go to it. There. Oh, yeah. Great.

Starting point is 01:15:22 But how else will they know that Luke has no clue? What do you figure out, Dan? I know what monitor it is. No, that's cheating. But how else will they know that Luke has no clue? What do you figure out, Dan? I know what monitor it is. No, that's cheating. That video is going to be incredible. That's cheating, Dan. No, I'm not saying nothing. I'm not even giving hints.

Starting point is 01:15:34 You might say the video will be brilliant. Dazzling. I like knowing things. You might say that the video was a bright idea. He's taunting me. Or or the monitor i want you to all understand this he's not saying things that will actually make me figure it out the video is uh but he's just saying things to to bother me the things i'm saying right now are a reflection of how i feel about the video that's cool i have no idea um we cover the full spectrum

Starting point is 01:16:04 of things you might want to know about the product in our video. I'm not going to get it. Alright. I'll give you a better hint. Okay. I'm probably not going to get it, so... Game Boy Advance.

Starting point is 01:16:23 What? What? I'm probably not going to get it. So Game Boy Advance. What? Is it like magnifying the screen somehow? Nope. I have no idea.

Starting point is 01:16:33 It has no backlight. Oh, why? How does it get to 2200 nits peak brightness? You ask? I don't know. Do you have to light it yourself? I will say that the power fits in the palm of my hand. Oh my god, I hate this whole conversation. This whole thing just sucks.

Starting point is 01:16:54 You know, you don't have to do Land Show. You could end the streak, and then I would win. If I ended the stream now, it wouldn't end the streak. No, the streak. Oh, oh, you mean you would just quit halfway through? No, no, no no quitters never prosper and how would that apply to this conversation then look okay this is a really good hint the power fits in the palm of my hand it's a pop culture reference good lord i don't get how did you how did you possibly think a pop culture reference was going to help me? That's fair.

Starting point is 01:17:27 The power of the... In the palm of my hand. I have no idea. Batman. No, it's not Batman. Nice to meet you. Everyone in chat is spamming Sun. Was I supposed to guess Sun? So you put it in front

Starting point is 01:17:45 of a window yeah that's kind of cool so and also really weird so basically it's nighttime so instead of a backlight it has a mirror-like surface behind the lcd panel okay is that cool or what that's pretty neat what is it for it's f***ing terrible yeah yeah okay but it's in like the coolest way but it's interesting and oh it's super interesting i'm excited to watch the video about it i don't think i'd want one i i'm sure there's some application where it would be cool because you're like in an environment where power is like very difficult to come by. I'm sure there's got to be somebody out there who's like,

Starting point is 01:18:29 oh my goodness, I need this. You got to see it in person. We'll grab it out for you. It's something to behold, I'll put it that way. And we cover super cool applications of the technology in the video. The muddy reptar got me. He can't quit while wearing a Terry Fox t-shirt. Damn. the muddy reptile got me he can't quit while wearing a terry fox t-shirt now you're stuck with us forever yeah pretty much oh i love that that's a that's a deep cut for canadians man that's true yep you would be letting down terry yeah that's impossible actually now is probably a good time for us to reiterate that the reason we're wearing these shirts

Starting point is 01:19:06 are to support the Terry Fox Run. You can get your shirt at terryfox.org. All proceeds support cancer research. Registration for the 2024 Terry Fox Run will open on April 12th. And the 44th annual Terry Fox Run will take place across Canadaada on september 15th terry fox is a national treasure uh we are extremely proud to partner with the terry fox

Starting point is 01:19:31 foundation uh when i say partner i i realize that's a sponsorship disclosure word that's not what's taking place here we're not making money we were just thrilled to hear from them and absolutely honored to support the terry Foundation. They've been doing absolutely incredible work. If you don't know who Terry Fox is, then now's the time to Google him, learn about his life. He was so young. He was taken from us far too early. And yeah, absolutely incredible. Diagnosed with cancer at a very young age, lost his leg, decided to run across the country to raise awareness, raise cancer awareness

Starting point is 01:20:14 and raise money to fight cancer. You're gonna break Linus up, man. Damn it. You're trying. It's a big deal. I'm done. It's genuinely a very big deal. And I said the obviously thing

Starting point is 01:20:26 i know there's some creators that have taken money for uh charity work stuff where i would like to think that it's obvious we're not doing that um but yeah just so you know um speaking of charitable sponsorships we actually are doing one nice we are well no it's a little complicated so we are doing a charity auction stream for bc children's hospital on april 17th this will be at around 1 p.m pacific on whatnot so whatnot is working with us they are an auction platform and they have kindly waived all fees so that the proceeds will go directly to bc children's hospital we're really excited about this our auction items include five incredibly powerful pcs that will be hand built by linus sebastian i'm just reading the talking points they put my name in there for some reason they

Starting point is 01:21:22 will be built by me it's fun having you say your own last name. The slowest one out of all the PCs, and this is great, has a 14900K and an RTX 4080. So these are going to be beast machines. We're trying to raise some real money, which means a huge shout-out to all the companies that have donated to this cause. In particular, Asus and Corsair, who have donated the majority of uh in particular asus and corsair who have donated

Starting point is 01:21:45 the majority of the components for our pc builds but also hp acer elgato which is also corsair uh dell intel google noctua sabrent logitech nothing the phone company not like thanks for nothing and many more wait the wait wait, wait. What? Oh, just donated to the cause. Okay, I get it. Yeah. I was like, what computer parts are we getting from nothing in Google? Yeah, don't worry about it.

Starting point is 01:22:12 All right. Understood. And we're going to be auctioning a bunch of stuff. So I'm going to be building computers. Oh, but there's other things. Dude, I have wanted to do this video for like three years because it has the best title. I will build you a pc right now oh that's going to be the title of the video that's pretty good right now that's pretty so you will be able to bid on a computer while i am live oh it'll all be for charity

Starting point is 01:22:39 and i will build it for you right in front of you. It's going to be flipping awesome. Nice. We've got a pre-built PC from Main Gear. We've got an Acer Nitro 16 gaming laptop, peripheral bundles, phones, all kinds of stuff that we're going to be auctioning for charity. Streaming bundles include custom merch from LTT Store, many other little bits of LTT history. So if you're considering buying a computer or a gaming headset or a mouse or something like that, consider doing it at our auction and having those dollars go to a good cause.

Starting point is 01:23:08 I doubt that the price is going to be the best price because people tend to go kind of wild when it comes to charity auctions. But it's cool. That's a feature, not a bug. Quite literally. And as I already said, all of the proceeds are going to go to BC Children's Hospital, which is one of our favorite, uh, causes to donate to.

Starting point is 01:23:28 Uh, I think, Oh, the last little update thing for those of you who sat through this, this is kind of a big deal. It's funny. I, um,

Starting point is 01:23:39 I came across a post and I'm not going to name any names, but it was basically like comparing sort of our our quality of our guests to another content creator. And I was like, I mean, we don't really like do guests. And the issue for us is that we are chronically not on schedule. And the thing about having important guests is that if you are late for them, that we are chronically not on schedule and the thing about having important guests is that if you are late for them that's pretty f***ed up um it's bad enough that we're late for the show in general and we are sincerely sorry it is all in the pursuit of building you guys the best float plane and the best content that we possibly can important guests i am not

Starting point is 01:24:20 saying that they're not they're not guests they're not guests. They're homies. That's different. The point is that it's funny timing because only a couple of weeks after I came across that I had possibly the biggest guest. This has fallen to my lap. This is actually crazy. Um, and it was just, it was serendipitous. But next week we will be having the one,

Starting point is 01:24:44 the only Mr. Jimller joining us for a call in uh for those of you who do not know who this is same thing with as with terry fox okay totally different fields right but google him right now yeah um he is the ceo of tense torrent he was the lead architect of amd's k8 micro architecture he co-designed the x86 64 instruction set he was later the lead designer on the zen architecture he also had a big role in designing the apple a4 and a5 the company's first in-house socs and he worked at tesla during the development of their autopilot technology anyone asking who jim keller is please um so we're going to have him on the show he's going to be talking about what he's doing at tens torrent guys an absolute legend in the computing world i'm just dropping links in the chat you guys are not going to want to miss this uh these links are to where

Starting point is 01:25:45 you guys can suggest some topics of conversation obviously i'm going to be asking him about his new gig right now but if you guys have any kind of questions that are not going to get him in you know non-disclosure agreement trouble or anything like that like don't ask him to like you know talk smack about previous companies before like're like, there's not going to be, that's not the kind of thing we're doing here. But if you have anything that you want to kind of hear us discuss with Mr. Jim Keller, we are getting an opportunity to talk to him. We're really excited about it.

Starting point is 01:26:15 We it's funny because the topic came up in a conversation with 10 story and about like, Hey, how do we, how do we work together? What you guys are doing looks really cool. And we saw you guys have this dev kit and um you know is is that our opportunity to cover it and talk about it or do you have something coming down the pipe basically it was an exploratory call i jumped on with them and they were like oh yeah you know it'd be really cool as if we like had jim on and i was like uh they're like yeah we don't really know if you guys like do guests or anything i'm like well here's the thing we don't but when is jim gonna be able to join us yeah um it's one of those things

Starting point is 01:26:51 where this is funny so i i assigned someone to go through the um to go through oh the form the form doesn't work i will uh i'll reach out to the guy who made it. Okay, Dan will get it fixed. The point is, I asked a couple people on the team to create the form and go through the responses to the form to kind of see what are the biggest things, the most common things people want to see us talk about. And I was like, okay, and can you also kind of put together some stuff to help guide the conversation? Because as much as I can talk fairly intelligently

Starting point is 01:27:26 about most areas of technology, I know just enough to be dangerous and I do not want to look like any more of an idiot by comparison than I already will with him on the show. Yeah, it's going to be bad. Most people are pretty dumb dumb. He's got to be in my like i don't know exactly where but i was trying to think of like of individuals exact names that

Starting point is 01:27:53 i've like googled in my lifespan he's gotta be up there yeah every once in a blue moon i'm just like what is he up to i'll make him products with sick names. Have you seen their product names? Tens to it? Yeah. Gray Skull. So sick. Everything's so boring these days. Here. But the Gray Skull E75.

Starting point is 01:28:14 Yeah, this is the dev kit one, right? Yeah, this is the dev card. This is already, from chatting with them, kind of old news. But this is all about... they he probably will talk about this and this is something that they are promoting right now because they do want to get these in people's hands um so that they can interact with the hardware so that when the time comes things are going to work yeah um and they're well i'm going to let him talk about how excited they are about what they're working on i'm so stoked yeah it's going

Starting point is 01:28:51 to be excited for this oh it's just a permission hold on a second coolio ash says i'm going to be honest i have no idea what the products he's made or used for but it's obvious he's done some big things okay so let's go through it k8 that was before zen okay so before ryzen that was the last time that amd stole the performance crown from intel they stole it hard they came out of absolutely nowhere having been kind of languishing for a fairly extended period of time and crushed it not only did they come take the single-core performance crown, they beat Intel to 64-bit, they beat Intel to multi-core computing, and just slayed it.

Starting point is 01:29:36 Mr. Keller moved on. I believe his next port of call was Apple. Don't quote me on that. I forget the exact order of operations here because I think he's done some shorter stints and gone back and stuff. Don't quote me on that. I forget the exact order of operations here because I think he's done some shorter stints and gone back and stuff. Don't worry about it. But the point is the A4. The A4 was when the iPhone stopped using commodity chips, guys. Stopped using commodity chipsets. That was when Apple Silicon, I mean, Apple brands their

Starting point is 01:30:01 computer products, Apple Silicon. But that was where Apple Silicon was born, when Apple started designing processors that outperformed anything else that was on the market from companies that had been doing it forever. And obviously, none of these things happen from just one person. But there's a bit of a pattern. Just look up his Wikipedia page and look at his known for. Athlon K7, AMD K8 lead architect, AMD K12, AMD Zen, Apple A4, Apple A5, a co-author of x86-64, Tesla hardware 3.0, and a co-author of hyper transport.

Starting point is 01:30:41 It's like, oh, whoa whoa done some things yeah um so then anyway the what i was getting to was when amd finally came back ryzen what was the common thread jim came back to amd he's not there now though he's doing tense torrent so he's been he's been working on some ai stuff which is definitely in his wheelhouse from that time spent on um yeah it was hardware 3.0 at tesla i think yeah the um uh the autopilot hardware yeah so yeah excited excited it's gonna be awesome uh dan what are we supposed to be doing right now oh sponsors yes let us indeed do that the form is fixed by the way uh the show is the show is brought to you by 8g1 instead of swallowing hundreds of supplements like a carp eats pellets try ag1 which is a much easier spoonful to swallow. It's an all-in-one supplement that has 75

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Starting point is 01:34:51 And now you can get 15% off your purchase with code WANSHOW at Vessi.com slash WANSHOW. You can check out the link down below. All right. I might have to report you to your boss. Why? What did I do? Because when one of my employees was trying to work on something, you put him on camera in order to shame his lack of performance.

Starting point is 01:35:12 Which seems unfair. It wasn't the lack of performance. What was it? It was the funniness of it. I'm only trying to fix a form while doing sponsor reads. It's fine. It's fine. Exactly.

Starting point is 01:35:29 I messed up. Here's what I want to know. My bandwidth is unacceptable. Why doesn't Luke think that you can handle this? Because Luke does not trust me at all. He's a terrible manager and person. Exactly. I guess I lose this game.

Starting point is 01:35:42 All I'm trying to demonstrate is that even with the spotlight on him, Dan never crumbles. He'll get my name one day. Yeah. Dane. I was gonna say Dane. Why? Dave. Get out of here.

Starting point is 01:36:00 I like working here. It's fun. I gotta talk to my therapist about this. But hey, out of here i like working here i gotta talk to my therapist about this but hey but hey it'll be partially covered that's right yeah you pay for it so that i can deal with you day in and day out it's a perfect system i didn't think it was partial covering well it depends up to a certain amount yeah i mean yeah with the amount of therapy Dan needs. So not covered at all. I'm the reason why the amount is lower for everybody else in the company. Oh, boy. Where are we?

Starting point is 01:36:36 We're doing merch messages. Let's less cancel ourselves. Yeah. No, it's just me. Should be good. Merch messages? Yeah. How about Apple is setting its users free and freedom is scary

Starting point is 01:36:45 oh kind of funny apple has further loosened some restrictions on ios it's actually been really interesting ever since the eu crackdown and now the u.s antitrust how quickly apple is running around trying to be like uh uh um well no no like we're not a apple has further loosened some restrictions on ios including now allowing retro game emulators on the ios app store and reforming its pairs pairings its pairs pairing system its pairing system to allow more devices to be salvaged for parts this is pretty cool news remember we talked recently about how we, you know, you never report on the good stuff, right?

Starting point is 01:37:28 It's always about the... This is good. Yeah. Apple never had a formal rule against emulators, but it barred apps that ran external code, which included emulators. Apple is now explicitly allowing emulators, though they will need to be age-rated in accordance with the most explicit

Starting point is 01:37:45 content available for them and they must comply with all relevant laws regarding emulation what was that old game leisure suit larry yeah that's gonna screw up all the emulators yeah uh anywho the change is primarily due to recent regulatory changes in europe so yeah i said that apple was changing things but realistically what's happening is apple is finally being forced to play nice um apple has also announced that it will be working on a new framework to allow customers and independent repair shops to use more existing parts from used devices

Starting point is 01:38:25 rather than blocking their use with software locks under the assumption that the salvaged device has been stolen. Apple says this new system will still protect users' privacy. This will also include calibration for used parts after they are installed. So basically, they are finally walking back some of the pairing that they've been requiring so there was this whole thing with batteries and with screens where you could take two perfectly working iphones take them apart switch their screens boot them back up and you'd get like it depending on the part you'd get an error message or you would get hindered functionality It's almost like it was never about privacy at all, isn't it?

Starting point is 01:39:07 Yeah. Because now, now that it's allowed, they're like, we can do it without compromising privacy. It almost never is. It's almost like that was the point the whole time. Or that was what they could have done the whole time. It's almost like this whole thing was just made up. Wow, really? Yeah. You don't say. With that said, this is really funny. could have done the whole time it's almost like this whole thing was just made up yeah wow really

Starting point is 01:39:25 yeah you don't say with that said this is really funny um some apple fans don't seem to appreciate some of their new freedoms this is great thanks to the eu we have one more screen during the iphone onboarding clown oh no not everyone knows what one more browser is far iPhone onboarding. Clown. Oh no. Not everyone knows what a browser is. Far from it. Why not ask for a default music player, default mail app, default camera app while we're at it? Unironically, that's a really good idea.

Starting point is 01:39:59 Is it? I don't know. I don't know if I care about that personally. I think for music player, I don't know if I care about that personally. I think for music player, I don't know if I care about camera app. Like this, as far as I can tell, this is them effectively exposing like the app store as part of the opening your phone.

Starting point is 01:40:16 No, this is part of the you can't have Safari just be the only thing on iOS. Yeah, but they're saying it's the onboarding. Personally, I don't necessarily think that this needs to be a part of the onboarding. It just needs to be something that you can do. Oh, sure. Sure, that's fair enough. I mean, honestly, I don't mind it at onboarding.

Starting point is 01:40:36 I don't know if I want every single thing that my phone can do. I don't necessarily want to make a choice where it now downloads that app or whatever instantly when I'm trying to set up a new device that's compromise kind of annoying one screen where it has all the default apps you can click into them and change them or you can go all the way down and go continue i'm on board compromise give me that skip button all right let's go and then i don't care yeah because like what if i am an apple user that's just like yeah i just want

Starting point is 01:41:02 all the apple stuff which there's going to be tons of them. And that's the whole thing that a lot of the people who argue for Apple's walled garden and Apple's anti-competitive and anti-consumer practices will say. They'll say, well, I just want, I don't want to pick. I just want them to tell me what's good. They still can't. And you can still just use whatever Apple tells you to use. It's okay. It's fine. I find it interesting that chrome is at like the bottom of the list well i mean no one said apple couldn't maliciously comply i will say uh i've been using i don't know if i've talked about this on the show ever

Starting point is 01:41:39 i've been using the firefox mobile browser for like a decade never had a single problem it's fantastic i have my my uh like url bar search bar stuff is at the bottom i prefer that a ton it's a user setting it's stuck for like years it's great i love firefox mobile that's all i have to say that's it someone was surprised they're like wait what is? They saw my phone and they're like, what is that? I was like, it's my browser. They're like,

Starting point is 01:42:08 what do you mean? It doesn't look like Chrome. I was like, it's not Chrome. It's Firefox. And they're like, use Firefox. Oh yeah,

Starting point is 01:42:15 it's great. I don't know. You're a liar. No, I'm not. Everyone who uses Firefox lies. You told me that. No,

Starting point is 01:42:24 no, no, no, no. All the people, not all the people. The context for that was we did a poll on Floatplane during the WAN show asking what percentage of people use Firefox. And I just knew it was not right. Went into our logs for the actual access. Well, not me.

Starting point is 01:42:41 AJ did. Sorry, AJ. Went into our logs for the percentage of floatplane users that use firefox and those numbers were not similar not even sort of close and like some people are like oh yeah you can spoof what browser it is and some people do this for compatibility because a site will say that it doesn't work with firefox but if you just tell it that you're actually using chrome instead it will actually work just fine there's pretty much no way the amount of people that do that make up the gap

Starting point is 01:43:07 I can't say for sure but pretty much no way this is totally off topic but do you make that poll dad is Luke a liar the options are yes and yes but I use Firefox they like their polls.

Starting point is 01:43:26 This is amazing. I get weird with them when we do the Super Checks After Party, the Flowplane exclusive stream. Oh, really? Yeah. Every single time you, like, who's going to win the round? And they just get strange. I should look into that.

Starting point is 01:43:43 We have a view where we can see every poll ever made and who made it oh really i didn't know that yeah i should be more careful yeah um this is just totally off topic but i was i was looking at the chats and i'm obviously mostly looking at floatplane chat but twitch chat is upset because there's another ad break this is really weird so someone here turned on ads on twitch and like really intrusively um and i turned them off and then someone here i think colton i know yes colton colton turned them back on and said don't touch that setting anymore we're having ads on on twitch and i think they run every 20 minutes for some reason even though the wan show gets interrupted every 20 minutes on twitch for an ad break and there are no ad breaks on any other platform where it broadcasts obviously i'm not

Starting point is 01:44:35 going to expect everyone to move over to floatplane where there's a monthly subscription does youtube not ad break during live streams there are we do not have them enabled on youtube ah they're not enabled i and they're not on Facebook, for sure. We also stream on Facebook. What is it about the experience of watching on Twitch that makes it so that, no, no, hold on, hold on. Nobody has abandoned it in spite of the ad breaks that are not on other platforms.

Starting point is 01:44:58 Like our viewership is basically the same as it always is. I have a theory. As much as I hate it, despise it, even, the people want a smaller internet. They want to just stay on the sites that they use. And if they're Twitch frogs instead of YouTube users,

Starting point is 01:45:17 they're just going to stay there. They will not have alternatives. It sucks. We had this really cool internet where there was all these unique, cool websites where people would do neat things and now there's like...

Starting point is 01:45:30 Like Justin.tv. People use like five websites. And yeah, oh, there's more than five websites that are possible. I mean individuals. It's very common that individual people will not navigate to more than a very, very small handful of websites.

Starting point is 01:45:44 They'll be like yeah i'm a reddit and facebook and twitter user and i google things sometimes and that's it yep i can see that oh well want to do a merch message i need to run to the washroom i drank this whole thing sure sure then see if i have any for luke by the way the results of the poll are 71 is luke a liar yes but i use firefox which is i think i actually enjoy that good job nice yeah i mean they're fun they're like that yeah um i think i had one in here for you luke let me see if i can find it none is this the secret part of the show where i get to talk about slave aspire to oh did they well there was actually one in here

Starting point is 01:46:25 about, kind of, Godot and stuff like that. Did they pivot? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's in Godot. Hell yeah. Slay the Spire 2 is in Godot. So they did Dancing Whatever. I already forgot the name of it. Here I go. Oh, yeah, we talked about that last week. Dancing Duelists, yeah. So they did Dancing Duelists in Godot,

Starting point is 01:46:42 and then they followed through with what they were talking about. By the way, Dancing Duelists is is free you can just go get it it's great um but yeah they followed through with it so this part she's coming in godot i looked at some of the screenshots so happy say the spire too and it like looks very similar and uh yeah sounds good i'm probably going to spend uh my whole rest of my life playing that game. So that's cool. I picked up one a while ago called Core Keeper, which was also done in Godot. Excellent. Excellent. Excellent engine as well.

Starting point is 01:47:12 I'm going to give shameless promotion to someone else. If you YouTube Godot for tutorial 11 hours, it's probably going to work. I bet you it works. Yeah. There's a video from ClearCode channel is named clear code it has 1.1 million views right now it's uploaded nine months ago just you can make sure you're finding the right one it's a 11 and a half hour long tutorial that is called the ultimate introduction to godot 4 and if you look into the description there's a part two oh i think i think i've been into this video and there's a part two for it and this tutorial is amazing i was like having a really hard time

Starting point is 01:47:57 trying to decide between game maker and godot because i wanted to do a two i wanted to do 2d game development and this tutorial being as amazing as it is, is what convinced me to work in Godot, because I actually think right now that I like the tutorial more than I like the engine. Which I don't dislike the engine at all, to be very clear. But the tutorial is just fantastic. The person, whoever does ClearCode, very, very, very good explanations.

Starting point is 01:48:24 Really, really interesting order of how they do everything um and then they do a very good job of explaining concepts at a relatively base level and then uh setting you up for like okay now here's your challenge these are the three things that i want you to do and those things are slightly more advanced than what they taught you but you know enough to figure it out yourself so you have to work through the engine and see how it works and kind of navigate things and do it on your own. And then you continue the video and he teaches you more things. And then you keep going.

Starting point is 01:48:53 It's very, very well done and it doesn't start losing quality. I'm like four hours in or something and it's still amazing. So if you're, if you're interested in game development or godot um i would highly recommend checking out clear code and especially this the ultimate introduction to clear code video because it's our ultimate introduction to godot 4 video because it's it's fantastic it is super long but like i was trying to look at some of the like the shorter more digestible ones and i'm like

Starting point is 01:49:21 yeah this isn't enough of an introduction i haven't touched game engine seriously in a super long time i really need a deep dive right and this thing was has been amazing so far um so yeah check it out love it next uh hey dll i'm curious on your opinions if any on mega crit switching from unity to Cado. Do you think more game companies should switch to open source engines? Also any updates on LTT Socks?

Starting point is 01:49:55 Still working at it. Open source engines are cool. Open source is not like it's not in my... I'm going to piss some people off. It doesn't automatically become the best thing because it is open source. I really like Godot. It seems great so far.

Starting point is 01:50:12 I do not believe that everyone making a 3D game in Unreal should switch to Godot. I don't think everyone making a 2D game in GameMakers should switch to Godot. There might be some decent arguments for people making anything in Unity switching to anything else. But those are based on business practices, stuff like that. But there are really good things about open source. And one of the things that can be scary about open source is the abandonment of projects and things like that. Something that can maybe increase confidence is when you start seeing bigger companies, bigger groups

Starting point is 01:50:51 getting behind and using different open source projects. Megacrit moving to Godot and releasing eventually in 2025 Slay the Spire 2 in Godot could be very big for Godotot could be very big for Godot adoption and be very important

Starting point is 01:51:08 but I don't know enough I'm not here to recommend anything in that realm I am a novice I'm just having fun going through that tutorial so I don't know whatever Alexander asks Linus will you be going on to the yard at the end of this month Ludwig said will you be going on to the yard at the end of this month?

Starting point is 01:51:26 Ludwig said you'll be coming on. Yes. Nice. I'm going to be on the yard. It's going to be awesome. I'm going down there for a collab. We're going to do the bro versus bro thing. I'm probably going to lose, so that's cool. I suspect you might get more canceled from being on there than being on here

Starting point is 01:51:45 really well i'm just hearing this now so i'm assuming i won't be there and those guys are going to have a very fun time seeing how far you'll go on things i'm sure oh you've never heard the podcast have you no no it's gonna be sick i mean i went on uh kb mod it's great back in the day i didn't get any trouble for that i don't know if you should have brought that up or not fair enough i'm sure it'll be great i am mildly concerned that's all i'll say oh wait kb mono pka that's the one. Oh. Painkiller already.

Starting point is 01:52:27 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I thought that was, wait, hold on. What was, I thought KB Mod and PKA had something to do with each other. Hold on. Hold on. No, maybe they have nothing to do with each other. Okay, no, I completely forgot. Well, cool.

Starting point is 01:52:45 Apparently, I don't even know what podcast I've been on so this is good we're off to a really good start here very commonly does podcast appearances no i don't even though this is my that was the whole point it does one every friday what's wrong with you oh my goodness wait i did do kb mod i'm pretty sure that's me i don't know look at sad linus oh boy um hold on um hold on okay yes i i did both so yeah nice that's good sure

Starting point is 01:53:37 yep sponsored by squarespace nice good stuff i mean if Squarespace sponsors it can't be that bad what do you mean memory of a goldfish it was nine years ago I don't remember almost anything from back then I'm supposed to remember every and I

Starting point is 01:53:53 kind of remembered every podcast I was on nine years ago you technically remembered both of them KB mod was ten years ago you just thought it might have been one or

Starting point is 01:54:02 the other I don't even remember who was on it uh okay wow yeah that's wild does this still exist is this still a thing oh yeah no the last thing they did was five years ago okay uh i'm okay who kb mod yeah i don't think that's been a thing for a bit okay um pka seems to still exist though oh yeah 100 they're talking about oj simpson huh all right well uh yeah he like died yeah yeah neat karma's a bitch probably took a little long let's do the next merch message okay no i i want to lose my job minutes of this uh let's see let's see um maybe maybe they won't

Starting point is 01:55:02 be the problem oh maybe it'll just be you linus is gonna get them canceled yeah my my whole thought process here is one of my jam the yard boys are gonna get linus to go too far on something and now it's like you know luke can handle it maybe maybe it'll be linus getting the yard guys to go too far you and slime is to be a genuinely intriguing combination. I'm excited. I'll definitely listen to that episode. Next one. All right,

Starting point is 01:55:31 let's see. Uh, how about a quick one? Hi, Luke, Linus and Dan tall sizes soon, please. I beg you to give, I want to give you my money.

Starting point is 01:55:39 Yes. Uh, hi, Linus and Luke. I work with a, uh, work with a nonprofit and i'm looking to start a camp for kids on building computers how would you go about sourcing hardware without the option of electronics recycler you don't um there's just there's uh it's not going to happen basically um there's

Starting point is 01:56:01 no one who's going to pony up that hardware like why um and if you're like oh well i could just take older stuff they're going to say well where would i get that um at the kind of volumes that you would need because the answer is going to be a hardware recycler so either you go to a hardware recycler or they go to a hardware recycler it's just it's just not gonna it's not gonna work um the cost of this stuff like i think that a lot of people have this perception that if something costs a hundred dollars well the man or like if the price the retail price is a hundred dollars well probably the manufacturing cost is what like 20 bucks like i see that i see that a lot whether it's our screwdriver or whether it's,

Starting point is 01:56:45 you know, our own merch where I really do know the costs. I know what they are. Or whether it's computer hardware product where I understand enough to understand the costs. I see people have this perception that like, I'm going to, I'm spending $500 on a TV at Best Buy. I'm getting ripped. I'm getting ripped, man. $500 for a TV for a tv like right but people who made it need to be paid and so that's that's how that works right like the best buy does not have a ton of margin on a five hundred dollar tv i can tell you that with 100 confidence um and so even at the manufacturing level the it industry is notoriously cutthroat for margins so they might have 15 20 points on a motherboard so that hundred dollar motherboard is 80 bucks how many kids are you planning to have at this camp

Starting point is 01:57:34 if i mean it's not much of a camp unless it's like 50 or something right like what's what's a camp exactly to you so they're going to give you what motherboards times 50, even if it's 20, like this is actually a ton of money you're asking for if you want computers for them to build. So this is the kind of thing that over time you're going to have to acquire non-working hardware because if the goal is just for them to build it, it's kind of more fun anyway, it doesn't have to function. Well,

Starting point is 01:58:02 not even that. So my, I've told this story before, but in high school, my computer's teacher found a way to acquire, I'll speed through it partially, found a way to acquire a whole bunch of non-working PCs. And then we built a computer lab for the school

Starting point is 01:58:18 out of these non-working PCs by sifting through them and finding what parts worked, figured out what motherboards were working, CPUs were working, RAM was working, et cetera etc and building custom computers for this whole computer lab and it was great it was a really fun experience you might be able to do that as well if there's like a recycler in the area that will allow you to uh take some stuff for this experience which might be a thing i don't know and guys like it's there's no award for being wrong on the internet i think twitch chat has lost their chat privileges for today it's terrible take line of saying this while these companies are

Starting point is 01:58:51 making record profits guys best buy is not making record profits it's not pandemic it's not the pandemic anymore people aren't buying computers yeah your grocery store probably is but that doesn't mean that that's true of every single company it's not that's not how these things work um industries bust and they boom um and no like there there isn't a ton of money in being an electronics retailer if there was everyone would do it it wouldn't be consolidated down to just a handful of remaining options. Little twitch. Anyway. Sure, yeah, let's do one more.

Starting point is 01:59:32 Hey, definitelynotlate.dlo I heard a long time ago that having a hard drive at close to or at capacity negatively affects performance of the drive. Is that still a thing with newer drives like M.2? Uh. effects performance of the drive is that still a thing with newer drives like m.2 uh yeah yes um although for different reasons on hard drives the issue was the fragmentation of the files that would occur as they filled up over time so as you install the game um

Starting point is 02:00:04 and then put some media files and then install another game and then put some dependencies that are needed for a game and essentially filled up the concentric circles that make up the platter, you would end up with, in many cases, applications or even individual files that had pieces of them kind of spread out all over the platter. Can't be efficiently organized. When you have a physical needle that is moving back and forth seeking to access that data, there's a delay as it goes around searching all over the disk for the pieces that it needs. So what you would do is you would kind of reorganize it to put all the data that goes together together to make it so that you're doing less seeking. With SSDs, everything is just handled on an address basis. data that goes together together to make it so that you're doing less seeking uh with ssds um everything is just handled on an address basis there is no physical seeking time there it does

Starting point is 02:00:51 still take time but it's not from moving a physical object where you run into trouble with ssds is in the same in a similar way um you can have um you can have junk on the disc that isn't what you need i shouldn't say disc because it's not a disc you can have junk on the drive that isn't what you need um in a space that okay i shouldn't say similar it's not that similar so you can have junk on the drive that you don't need but hasn't been fully removed because that's not as efficient. It's not as good for the drive's longevity because NAND flash has a finite number of write cycles that it can survive before it just gives up the ghost.

Starting point is 02:01:37 So what happens is when you fill a drive, and then delete a file, it's just sort of shadow deleted. It's not really deleted until such time as you actually need to overwrite it, until you actually need to fill up that space. So what happens then is instead of just a write operation, it needs to do a full program array cycle. It needs to actually wipe it, then write it. And in some cases, having a really full drive can mean that there are bits of data in some places and bits of data in other places that aren't consolidated, which is kind of similar-ish to what we would see with hard drives.

Starting point is 02:02:22 be erased and then rewritten somewhere else and then written to in order for it to stay organized is much much higher this is like a super super crappy explanation of it but this is off the top of my head and I haven't looked at garbage

Starting point is 02:02:38 collection trim and and organization this is a situation you should point to like a tech wiki or something. I'm fairly certain we have tech wikis on these topics. Basically, yes. Being more full means there's less room for this data organization to take place

Starting point is 02:02:57 and it can be more delayed. You can also have just annoyances with like temp file overflows and stuff like that. And it's bad for the longevity of the drive as well because the more shuffling it has to do for every write operation the more unnecessary writing that you're doing dan oh are we doing topics now let's do it ltd labs nicholas if that is your if you're who i think you are you should get a uh icon message me next week oh guest labs will just have to test drives at various levels of fill and wear i mean

Starting point is 02:03:36 yeah kind of oh that's great internalized screaming texas schools embrace ai grading the texas education agency will be replacing human graders not fully replacing but certainly significantly augmenting i shouldn't say augmenting well they're replacing some the human graders are yeah some of them are gone yeah so, they're replacing some. The human graders are, yeah, some of them are gone. Yeah. So we'll be replacing some of their human graders with an auto-scoring engine. And this is not for multiple choice. This is for written questions on standardized tests, with the only exception being tests written in Spanish.

Starting point is 02:04:18 If the AI indicates it has low confidence in its score, the test will be referred to a human grader for review, the human grader score overruling the AIs if there's a disagreement between the two scores. Texas estimates that 75% of tests will be graded without being sent for further review. They estimate this will save $15 to $20 million a year annually by hiring only a third as many temporary graders every year. The state has insisted that while the auto-scoring engine is based on similar technology to GPT-4, it will have systematic oversight from humans. It won't learn from one response to the next, but always defer to its original programming set up by the state. It was apparently trained on 3,000 past tests that went through two rounds of review by human graders and is intended to give the same grade as a human

Starting point is 02:05:18 grader would have. The decision follows a 2023 redesign of the STAR standardized assignment assessment to include fewer multiple choice questions and six times more open ended questions, which actually seems like a good idea. Having, you know, students answer with open ended questions, I guess they're just like, well, this is a lot of work to grade. So I guess we'll just have a machine do it, which. I guess we'll just have a machine do it, which, yeah. Critics have raised concerns that a machine may not be able to recognize and reward creativity or originality. 3,000 seems like not a lot of prior tests, huh? Honestly, no. Also, APerson123 in Fullplane Chat said,

Starting point is 02:05:57 this is even worse than it seems because those temporary graders, I didn't put this together, those temporary graders who were losing their jobs were generally Texas teachers trying to augment their crappy salaries. graders i didn't put this together those temporary graders uh who were losing their jobs were generally texas teachers trying to augment their crappy salaries didn't think about that that makes sense that's rough cool yeah controversial take when did tax priorities shift from roads schools libraries first and then other stuff

Starting point is 02:06:34 defense realistically it doesn't have to be like all of it but there should be some when did it shift from that first then everything else to like rando programs and vanity projects and then i guess if we have anything left over i guess we'll pay teachers something we can we can call some teachers when did when when when exactly did that happen i'm just wondering just curious because like i pay a lot of taxes i wouldn't mind if they went to schools schools seem cool trudeau's investing some billions of dollars in ai yeah but our government is also investing in subsidies for homeowners instead of just allowing the market to fall so that people can actually afford the houses they're just giving rent subsidies that is actually not the solution it's totally to let the property values

Starting point is 02:07:30 go up so the property taxes go up so you can give a pittance of that money to the people who now have unaffordable rent so they can give more money to land landowners brilliant who can then pay more property taxes it's great it's a perpetual motion machine good job flawless flawless victory stupid i i wouldn't necessarily have a huge problem with this if i think we were like way down the line from where we are now this is way massively too early you can't put this stuff in a position where it could have any amount of impact on someone's future um because it's like oh yeah humans will grade it if if you know it has a low confidence but what if it is highly confidently incorrect which we

Starting point is 02:08:20 have seen many times and then if you can dispute it and it will be graded by a real person then everyone's gonna just dispute it and you didn't gain anything anyways i don't know dumb next topic sure what's happening with youtube playables at some point last year youtube added playables games that you can play directly on the platform via desktop or mobile devices as an experimental feature according to youtube's experiments page playables were supposed to be available until the 28th of march of this year however there's still a support page for playables and they are still accessible on both desktop and android devices at the time of writing this based on reporting and

Starting point is 02:09:11 this post which i'm assuming he's loading up no he's not uh from the ltd subreddit not many people seem to know youtube playables even exist possibly because they seem to be only accessible through the explore section of youtube site and mobile app which i don't think i've ever clicked on in my life discussion question why do these exist why didn't youtube kill them when they said they would what does this seeming ignorance surrounding the existence of playable say about youtube's ui ux i don't know but i'm enraptured this game does not look fun what is that you draw you draw the legs yeah okay that that actually sounds a little bit more fun than i thought it's playable i claimed 10 coin units what does that mean what do you use those for i don't

Starting point is 02:10:02 know how do you buy more of them speed level 15 searching for an opponent no way it's multiplayer whoa that guy's got like spring legs okay do your legs suck oh okay let's go let's go come on give me some let's go oh let's go i want a piece wait did your leg break what piece. Wait, did your leg break? What happened to my leg? Did my leg break? Can you draw new legs at any time? I need longer legs is what I need. Boom! Ba-ba-pow! Pow!

Starting point is 02:10:31 Ba-ba-pow! Oh, I'm getting tuned here. So you can draw new ones at any time. Oh, I'm going fast. So there's probably some theory to changing your legs depending on the terrain. Yeah! You got schooled. I think you want shorter legs for going uphill.

Starting point is 02:10:43 I'm suddenly interested in this game wait you can level up your speed though that seems stupid oh so other people just have like better speed maybe wait am i just playing the same guy that's stupid or maybe it's just an ai like a bot what's happening oh no it has to be an ai because it slows down while i'm drawing well well no not necessarily because they could record the inputs from the other players so they don't have to match like yeah oh i see what you mean yeah so wait it's just gonna stay slow while i decide when i want to put my small legs on infinite slow-mo because i've yeah this this seems like a hack like an early 2000s game that you're

Starting point is 02:11:23 doing built-in pre-made cheats on yeah exactly also why do i not fall does gravity no longer apply to us do you just win the game because you went slow-mo i think so i think if i just keep this held that's i will not i will not fall that's so cool dude am i falling you love that i don't think so apparently i'm falling slowly says the chat are you but i'm not sure if i i'm not sure if i believe it it really doesn't seem like it i think i fell a lot faster before yeah exactly i don't think you were this high up before so there's there's at least some amount of effect whether or not it's like you know super noticeable or not i don't know urban ferv says, I have a career in playtesting. Yeah, this, man, I broke this game faster than I break Linux.

Starting point is 02:12:11 Are you sure? Yeah, I think so. It did, it took me a little while to break Linux the last couple of times I broke it. Yeah, fair enough. Like, I am not falling, guys. I'm going to win this. Now, is your leg going to collide with this portion?

Starting point is 02:12:24 No, I don't think so. I'm pretty sure I'm still above it. Danny's got nothing on me. Yeah. I'm so engaged right now. See? Oh, it gets pretty close. I think, I think.

Starting point is 02:12:35 Hold on. Wait for it. I think it might. No. No. Are they both the same length? Oh! Yeah!

Starting point is 02:12:40 Oh, it did. Oh, speed boost. Let's go. That's huge! Hold on. Is it going to catch it? Is it going to catch it? Is it going to catch it? I no longer think so.

Starting point is 02:12:49 Right by it. No. You're going fast now, though. So Danny seems to have his own glitch problem. This is my favorite part of the show so far, I think. This is awesome. I love that we have so many people watching you just like float very slowly through the air you might say they're in a plane oh so good i'm invested at

Starting point is 02:13:17 this point though i want to see what on earth is going on so this is a youtube playable uh something that i mean i didn't know they existed at all and apparently a lot of other people didn't know they existed either because they were tucked away under the explore button on youtube which i suspect most people didn't click on there was a discussion question which is what does this seemingly seeming ignorance surrounding the existence of playable say about youtube's ui ux and in my opinion they just have so much stuff going on that adding things like this, it's very hard to get visibility on.

Starting point is 02:13:47 Why can't I be watching a short at the same time? This is a missed opportunity. If they had short auto scrolling where after it finished playing one video, it would just scroll to the next and you could play these playables on the side, move over subway surfers. I bet you it would kill. I don't think i would sleep yeah i um honestly i'm sort of at the point now where i just kind of wish that youtube

Starting point is 02:14:15 would do what it does holy crap it glitched in a new way i'm not moving anymore. Uh-oh. I am static. Are we both static? You can see the bar at the top. Oh, no, he's moving. He's moving. I'm not moving. Okay. Oh, no. Do-do-do-do.

Starting point is 02:14:33 Look, it has line-of-size legs. Oh, he's going to beat you. Whoa, he's flying. I'm not doing that. No. No. No, no, I got this. I got this.

Starting point is 02:14:42 No. Are you kidding me? No. Okay, no, I got this. I got this. Are you kidding me? No! Okay, that wasn't cool. All my hopes and dreams are gone. Well, all right. I think that was my last attempt at that. Yep.

Starting point is 02:14:56 So these are the games. Is there no way? Is this it? There's no microtransactions or anything even? I don't know. Well, for now. Like, who's making these i don't understand boy drag to aim release to shoot i mean uh but sure wait so they have youtube officially has a game

Starting point is 02:15:14 with explosions and you kill people there's a lot of blood as well but like it's angry birds luke yeah but there's blood he's spurting blood dismembered and you shot someone with an rpg youtube is full of all kinds of things yeah but they like don't want to be full of this stuff they don't but then they have video games of it i don't know i think that youtube mostly oh yeah lob it it has on it whatever it needs to have on it this guy played flash games in the 2000s yeah boys this man worms oh well you are failed okay hold on a second where are these games even coming from game over yeah you're failing oh no want to crush me at chess no i'm terrible i don't i haven't played in a long time i'd be

Starting point is 02:16:07 really bad i'm there's no way you're worse than me i fall off so fast it's weird no man there's no way you're worse than me weird running pet deck what is this who made these games i got to like 1100 or 1200 or something and then stopped playing and just sort of fell off i think i got to 11 or 12 no years old oh yeah like honestly there's no way tap to play roll whoa oh laggy whoa is it lagging on your screen oh yeah oh buddy oh well what what is happening jump Jump. Can you jump? Or crouch, sorry. Down arrow? No. S-O. Oh. Okay.

Starting point is 02:16:49 W. Or up arrow. Yeah, okay. So, yeah, the arrows work. On the ramp. Wait, I can't. The coins. You're Sonic the Cat.

Starting point is 02:16:59 Wait, I can't. Wait, what the? Oh. Dang. Hold on. I'm so confused. Sometimes the arrow keys work, sometimes they don't.

Starting point is 02:17:09 Tap here to build a room. The arrow keys are not working right now. Build a room. What? I don't want to build a room. Get a room. Oh, I don't care. Oh, I have to buy a sofa. Oh, I think this one has premium currency.

Starting point is 02:17:22 Oh my god. Oh, check that out. At the top of the diamonds. Wait, don't. You might have things connected to this laptop because you refused to follow rules. Okay, selected. Roll? Like, do they mean, like, avatar?

Starting point is 02:17:36 How do I play? Just, okay, tap to play. Okay, here we go, here we go. Okay, oh, okay, the controls are working now, so that's a big improvement. Whoa, whoops, whoops, whoops, whoops, whoops. Okay, so can I, okay, but why would a big improvement. Whoa, whoops, whoops, whoops, whoops, whoops. Okay, so can I... Okay, but why would I do that instead of just going for the coins? Like, that seems stupid.

Starting point is 02:17:51 I mean, sometimes it might make sense. Can I jump over... Okay, yeah, can I jump over this car? Yeah, I can. Yeah, dog, let's go. Jump from thing to thing. Woo! Oh, you better press it twice, though.

Starting point is 02:18:02 Ah, interesting, you can't hold it. Oh, I pressed both. This keyboard is really not in the ideal configuration for gaming. It has one of those combined up and downs. So, anyway, back to playables. Yeah, so that's something they have. I feel like YouTube is just kind of losing its identity a little bit. And I've felt this way yeah everything from stories to shorts to

Starting point is 02:18:25 uh being a place to rent movies like i just i kind of don't i kind of don't understand what youtube wants to be why not just be youtube if it's all video i sort of get it i blame capitalism because the only way to have infinite growth is to have infinite number of products at a certain point you're going to be saturated in terms of what you can serve for for for long format video but that's not what investors demand investors demand growth and when you already i mean youtube at some point i forget this is like four or five years ago stopped regularly talking about their growth and daily active users because it was like over a billion it's like well or not daily monthly or whatever it was they stopped talking about it regularly and it's just like like if we if we want more people in the platform we need the world to

Starting point is 02:19:13 birth more people yeah the only way for us to grow is to extract more value out of the people that exist rather than hoping that there will be more at some point. It's just... I don't know. It just kind of sucks. Apparently, the currency... There's no microtransactions. Apparently. Yet. Yeah, I'm sure the whole thing is positioned for that. Hurts.

Starting point is 02:19:38 Just these test games don't have any. It would hurt. In better news, Roku has filed a patent for a technology that would allow its tvs to detect when you've paused a device that's connected via hdmi such as a game console so the tv can show you ads can you can we've already talked about this can you um can you file a patent we've totally talked about this can you file a patent? And then can you like file a patent so that no one can do a thing?

Starting point is 02:20:09 I mean, I guess. Like, could you file this patent and then be like, yeah, we filed this patent because we thought someone might do this. And we were like, nah. It's really, I shouldn't say really expensive, but it does cost money and time to file patents. And filing defensive patents on behalf of consumers would

Starting point is 02:20:27 probably be a fruitless endeavor yeah given the ease with which large companies can sort of look if they can get around each other's patents they can get around yours is all i have to say about that and they have a lot more resources to do it i wasn't suggesting this is a thing that we do to be very clear cool yeah yeah no i do not have unlimited money to do that it was not the goal at all gold ball says i donate to that cause i was trying to make a joke about like maybe they're doing this knowing that they weren't so like a crowd-sourced a crowd-sourced or like crowd-funded organization like a not-for-profit that basically preemptively files patents for terrible ideas that are anti-consumer i still don't think it would work it'd be funny um yeah was that a topic in the doc because we absolutely talked about that last week

Starting point is 02:21:22 or a previous week did we oh i didn't think we did well whatever in case anyone missed it like i did in addition to detecting when you've paused the patent also suggests methods to identify what was displayed in the frame before you paused and use that information to show you more relevant ads i don't think we had that information i think we knew that they were doing something with ads and consoles and stuff like that. So, so you guys know, if this is implemented,

Starting point is 02:21:53 you could be using your Roku brand TV as just a display, okay? You could be completely ignoring Roku's streaming services, software, and their smartness and all that stuff but another device that is plugged into one of the tv's hdmi ports could be read essentially like what was on it you could be watching something intimate for example and that could be used to serve you a targeted ad what would the targeted ad be for if you were watching something intimate on your tv like a dating service there's kids watching okay

Starting point is 02:22:34 stop it'd be something it'd be fun to think about it It'd be something. And it would be somewhere in between, you know, a hard solid and a liquid. Nice. Thanks. It's pretty good. Thanks. Moving on. Hot singles in your area. Man, so many of the ads I get served for that.

Starting point is 02:22:58 Like the second I hit my mid thirties was like, do you want to have an affair? It's like, how many times do I have to tell you? No, I'm good. Thank you. But you might today. Yeah. but look how hot the women in your area are like those aren't real i've seen i've seen the women in my area no no that's that's just a joke when i travel the pictures of the women in my area are the same yes what does this mean i've seen the women in my area and they're not this person that's not to say they don't seem great good personalities you know healthy hair i get nice what what minus ones in a woman it's extremely important to me it's it's sorry it's a it's a bob's burgers reference sorry we

Starting point is 02:23:42 get along really well but you just have too many split ends. Yeah. Look, okay, I need to explain this. It's a Bob's Burgers reference, okay? Louise is trying to get regular-sized Rudy to not have a crush on her, and she's like, do you like eating boogers? I eat my boogers all the time. And he basically goes, oh, well, the whites of your eyes are bright,

Starting point is 02:24:04 and your hair is healthy, your fingernails of or whatever i i can't say that i'm into it but you keep doing you sister like it doesn't matter very accepting um the return of dumb phones uh yeah sure what is this article did you pick this one yeah interest in dumb phones has increased in recent years with many people being concerned about the addictive nature of social media and constant online connectivity dumb wireless great name an e-commerce site specializing in dumb phones and smartphone restriction launched in 2022 in march of 2023 the site sold about seven thousand dollars worth of products last month it sold okay all right didn't see that twist coming so march 2023 they sold seven grand worth of products last month it sold over 70 000 worth of products

Starting point is 02:24:51 startup light released the light phone 2 in 2019 a smartish phone with a monochrome touch screen and a limited library of custom apps lights revenue doubled from 2022 to 2023 and is on track to double again this year. According to The New Yorker, the startup's founders say some of the most willing Lite phone converts are Gen Zers. There are several dumb solutions. In addition to fully dumb phones, there are also phones like the Lite Phone 2, which has apps for directions as well as music and podcast libraries. Some people only use dumb phones when they go out, switching to a smartphone when they get home. Interesting.

Starting point is 02:25:34 There are also companies like Brick and Unplug. They restrict the UI and apps on your phone, only allowing you to access blocked apps when you tap an NFC key that you can take with you leave it home or with a trusted person or ditch completely interesting i uh i just don't think i could handle it i i kind of want to try it i kind of want to do like a one month thing but every time i bring it up people internally are like no we actually need to be able to reach you and i'm like okay honestly though like if it wasn't for work i could probably be a dumb phone user yeah like i never go anywhere anyway i just sit at my desktop i wonder if one of these like i wonder if one of these i'm gonna do go see my friends maybe sorry i wonder if one of these light phones would be able to support uh work communications like slack and teams and whatnot i could see that but i mean it's funny how aware i am of how many people use teams for their social life it's definitely a thing yeah so yeah i don't know i don't know if it would help

Starting point is 02:26:41 that fair enough yeah you shouldn't do that by the way yeah it's like actually a bad idea like you really shouldn't for real um when you depart said company yeah that company can retain all of the messages yes and you you can't retain all the messages unless i guess you like copy paste them maybe there's a data dump feature for users i don't know no idea but like you won't have that user account anymore so you should use other ones and even if you could dump that data you should be extremely careful with it because it might be covered by your organization's nda for example and it might not even be things you said it might be something that someone said to, but by the time you extract that data from their service that they pay for and it leaks, well, the responsibility wasn't your friend because they sent an internal communication to an internal person. That wasn't them. That's on you.

Starting point is 02:27:36 Someone in chat is saying there's teams for personal use. He's talking about using work accounts. Yes. He's specifically talking about using work accounts. Don't use work stuff for personal stuff. Just don't do it. Um, full plane chat.

Starting point is 02:27:52 It's talking about killed by google.com. Yeah. We are only a quarter of the way into 2024 and boy, do they ever have some doozies? Uh, Google domains was, Oh, actually technically that was the end of last year.

Starting point is 02:28:12 I don't know what the keen is. I don don't care but google podcast was killed 11 days ago is done uh drop cam do you remember drop cam yeah that became nest cam boom done dead killed five days ago uh jam board we already knew about google jam board is just other more different jam board because google is vpn by google one is dying vpn by google one kicking the bucket in nine months it will be about four years old dang apparently pixel vpn remains what's the difference i don't know i mean i'm often confused by differences in back end for services that appear to be exactly the same thing like i i i there was something with the mobile app uh for youtube studio and i was like well like you have the the data it's in the desktop app and they're like yeah but it has a different backend

Starting point is 02:29:00 and i'm like f***ing why i don't know but actually why i don't always know i am uninformed need view count database lookup location x y return there's definitely reasons for apps if they're even pretty similar like I kind of understand why the Teams work and Teams personal accounts are different. I wish they weren't both called Teams, because it's really annoying when I'm trying to launch one of them. Just call the personal one MSN Messenger. Let's go. Yes, please. Like, come on.

Starting point is 02:29:36 Or something else. Whatever it is. Just don't have multiple names for effectively the same thing. Anyways, I get that. But in some of these cases, yeah, I have no idea. No idea. Anyways, moving on. Should we do the Udio thing?

Starting point is 02:29:51 Yeah, let's do it. Sora for Music. Former Google DeepMind engineers David Ding and Andrew Sanchez have launched Udio, a platform for creating AI-generated music. It already features tremendous tracks like Wow, I Didn't Know That. Is that the name of it? That's the name of the track? Apparently.

Starting point is 02:30:12 I thought it would be in quotes maybe, but... Do you want to listen to it together? Should we finish the stuff and then listen to it? No, let's listen to it together first. Got it. Okay. We're not playing it over stream? We're just...

Starting point is 02:30:24 Yeah, yeah, we can play it over stream. That is apparently the name of the track it's wow i didn't know that oh yeah it has 70 000 playbacks apparently hold on this wasn't the one that i wanted to um hold on let me see let me open up my Teams for work. This wasn't the song that I had wanted to listen to. Okay, yeah, this is great. How do I get this link to myself? Hold on. What's the name of it? We need to search it.

Starting point is 02:30:57 That's a Twitter link. Okay, so I need to send it to LTTWin. Dan, are we able to listen to this together with the stream so that shouldn't be a problem okay maybe not on your phone but no no no no i'm sending it to myself okay so first let's listen to wow i didn't know that together is this is this gonna work oh well it helps to not have my audio muted here we go oh also it helps to be connected to the right thing okay dan you got sound from me yeah i saw a dingle bing bing bing okay here we go. Oh, also it helps to be connected to the right thing. Okay, Dan, you got sound from me? Yeah, I saw a dingle.

Starting point is 02:31:27 Bing, bing, bing. Okay, here we go. Let's see. Oh, boy. We're in so much trouble. What? When they say drinking turpentine ain't where it's at Insurance fraud is a federal crime Well, I didn't know that It turned out for the first time It turns out I shouldn't eat that bad

Starting point is 02:32:19 And Twitter was dumb at past time Well, I didn't know that Scroll down a bit, I want to see the lyrics it's on my screen oh you got it oh my gosh so um that's a thing that exists yeah we're totally screwed uh hold on that was not actually the one that i wanted you to hear that blew my mind. This was tweeted by ABC Dent Minded. They said, I found an account on Udio that is mostly generating songs about how his friend Seth shits pants at work. Oh, my gosh.

Starting point is 02:33:02 Okay, you guys ready for this one? Yeah, I've got it muted for now. Alright, I gotcha. Here we go. I got me a man, but there's just one problem. Well, he works nine to five and he's a hell of a guy, but he's shitting his pants at work. Oh, Seth, why'd you have to go shit in your pants can't believe you were gonna

Starting point is 02:33:30 take me to the dance with all that nasty poop in your pants I got me a um so yeah oh wow Get rekt Seth. Not gonna lie. Hadn't heard that country song one.

Starting point is 02:33:50 I would unironically listen to that. So dude. Talking about how insurance fraud is a federal crime. It kind of reminds me of the song Online by Brad P paisley which is like one of my favorite like parody songs yeah like i mentioned like we're in trouble and someone in

Starting point is 02:34:12 chat was like yeah i don't think yet people would listen to this stuff that that country song about well i didn't know that people will absolutely listen was well produced as well yeah that messed me up actually ninja man asked that just now and you were way ahead of him what does dan think about these since he has experience in production sometimes you can hear vocal issues but is there things that the layman might not notice here like it's pretty obvious to me that they're hiding behind like with these genres and with the styles of both of these, they're hiding behind kind of a more analog sound a little bit. I think they might be masking some lack of clarity that way.

Starting point is 02:34:55 I've heard better voices on the country one, but the 50s swing bop Seth pooping one, her voice was very clean. swing bop Seth pooping one. Her voice was very clean. I've also heard a lot of people that take normal talking and will turn them into singing voices or make singing voices out of characters. And those are kind of similar to the timbre of the country guy. But the backing music was far too good. And that was very concerning.

Starting point is 02:35:26 Mind-blowing. Absolutely incredible. I wish I could see the prompt. Like, how did you get it to write this? Maybe you feed it the lyrics? I don't know. Maybe. I mean, obviously the Seth one, probably. No, because you could just tell it, like, the person is seth like it might do the writing so anyway udl will generate two 32 second songs from a written prompt giving users a choice

Starting point is 02:35:55 over which they would like to use the song can then be extended by adding sections before or after the original clip with up to 10 sections total. The extensions can be made with the same prompt or a completely different one. The platform plans updates with more musician-focused tools like being able to add reference vocals, easy import of external tracks, and more granular creation options. This comes just a couple of weeks

Starting point is 02:36:20 after 200-plus music artists signed an open letter in an attempt to prevent the creation of exactly the type of tool that Udeo is. Having said that, Udeo's founders claim they have strong copyright protection measures in place so you can't reference any specific artist and any track that sounds like an artist will be blocked. LTT community members made an AI song about pilk aka pepsi milk shall we listen dan are you ready i am already he's already well maybe not my soul

Starting point is 02:36:55 where gadgets reign supreme there's a curious mix some it's too good. Oh no. Modulate. Back to the one. Oh, it's got the formula down, like, perfect. No! Oh, man. This one has some hints of AI-ness. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:37:57 There's groups that actually do that. That's catchy. That's true. They have the formula down. They have the, like, structure down. They have the strange modulation down. It might actually be more interesting to listen to than modern pop music because it will do weird things that you're not expecting using the pop formula.

Starting point is 02:38:17 So these might actually be more dopamine-inducing cheesecake brain than actual pop music. Well, that's depressing. Thanks cheesecake i use oh oh yeah that might be my term uh okay never mind uh pop music triggers with like the cheesecake reflex i call it uh your brain loves sugar and salt by the way i thought you might like this we linus and i've been playing this game called Tape to Tape, which is very fun. But the developer behind it is called Excellent Rectangle. Nice. Hell yeah.

Starting point is 02:38:51 I like their logo. Yeah. Video Game Studio. That's all you need to know about them. That's great. What? Oh, never mind. Okay.

Starting point is 02:39:00 What's up? I saw people also search for it, and I saw Slapshot Rebound, and I thought it was like they also made and i was like no way slapshot rebound sick too yeah but tape tape to tape we've been having a lot of fun with it's a rogue light you go through a campaign you play against teams that have various types of completely unfair buffs there's basically no so ever um oh sick pass it's fun yeah it's it's it's dumb fun um supports multiplayer support is a little complicated because it only supports local couch multiplayer so you can use steam remote play but if you want to play with five people on a team steam remote play only supports four controllers so we had to have one person or we had to have two people side by side in the same place so that was me and yvonne last night and then she was on the keyboard and i was on the controller and then we were able to have

Starting point is 02:39:55 three more controllers remote in that was the only way we could get five players working so if anyone from valve is watching who works on remote play or anything like that. Hey, could we have a couple more controllers supported in remote play? That would be sick. Obviously, this is a niche use case, but it's the kind of thing that every once in a while, a Valve person will just be like, that's a good idea. Maybe I'll just make that

Starting point is 02:40:18 because I don't know if I even have a real boss anyway. So if that situation is going on right now, we'd be super into that i've got i've got one final thought on this if i can interject um uh when is it going to be able to make like death grips songs you know uh that's that's the thing is is a lot of these are trained on massive amounts of the most generic thing so like pop music is dead like this just kills pop music just like uh you know the ar art generators are killing uh single person pinup art um but if you're gonna get weird right or like or like environment like backgrounds do you know what i

Starting point is 02:41:00 mean they can do hold on hold on what did you just describe like thirsty commissions as single person pinup art yeah because that is the most apt description i have ever heard for anything ever carry on yeah you know okay we got a beautiful painted background right nobody's going to do those anymore but like death grips or any of the other really strange kind of out there uh types of what you're saying is humans have a niche it's just very weird yeah yeah humans are going to make the weird stuff and then the the boring stuff the band where everyone gets pissed off if people don't record their concerts because they often have songs that they only play at like i i have no idea i used to i used to despise them because they were kind of outside of that uh understanding

Starting point is 02:41:50 i don't find artists that i like i don't get this very often and then adam made me listen to them a lot and and he said that they were good and so i had to revisit it now i get it i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure that's death grips probably yeah i don't know i ended up on the subreddit because we were looking at that uh generated song and apparently mods at r slash the crew are shutting down any discussion of ubisoft revoking players license keys so that's bad do they have a pin post about it by any chance over on r slash the crew yeah not sure that's a good question i want to go check because sometimes mods will do that because is it actually just r slash the crew because there's nine members what is the what is the actual subreddit r slash slash the crew? I don't know. Maybe it's not... Hold on.

Starting point is 02:42:47 This has like one and a half thousand upvotes, though. I don't think they made it up. No, I don't think so either. I'm just wondering what the actual subreddit is. I don't know. I don't see a link to it. They've also locked the thread explaining why they removed the first thread because no one was buying it.

Starting point is 02:43:00 Oh, it's written incorrectly. It's the underscore crew. Oh, yeah. There you go there's a problem come on op in other news um our short circuit for these wireless routers is finally live yeah we we do uh we do a little bit of real world testing with them could a minion router be any good no luke why are you such a downer seriously like does that make you happy to be unhappy yes except i'm not unhappy but it makes me happy to be a downer about that so you want

Starting point is 02:43:40 everyone else to be unhappy because you should just buy a normal one and then if you really want to be a minion you just make it look like a minion you don't need to buy like products that are just super weirdly branded and probably up priced like a huge amount for no reason it's very unnecessary just modify it make it your own there are yeah i don't know i don't think this happened i do know sometimes that like users won't really understand the pressure that moderators come under when things are going just absolutely wild yep um and what can sometimes happen which doesn't really look like this happened so i don't know but what i was kind of talking about there what was what can sometimes

Starting point is 02:44:22 happen is to let one post through and like pin it and then just delete everything else because they're like we don't want to sift through all this and try to figure this out um but yeah i don't know i could write better lyrics than that ai song sorry i was just looking at the lyrics i'm sure you were saying something interesting very good which one the turpentine one turpentine oh yeah yeah was that on the same udio was that on udio was that on sunno people are talking about sunno um sunno sunno sunno whatever yeah wild also i was listening to you were saying people on reddit single pinned post i think this is going to become i don't know why is there so many more suno posts in i can i can a hundred percent see people just putting on play me some here's here's some songs i like

Starting point is 02:45:13 play me some random bullshit that is stuff i might like and then you just thumbs up and thumbs down it and then it just algorithmically feeds you literally an unlimited fire hose of new music you've never heard of and i use the term music uh with finger quotes uh for the rest of your life like this is this is life changing you know how sometimes there'll be like an alternative youtube platform that'll go up yeah and they'll get promoted like crazy and then you go on there and all the videos have like 10 views that's not the case i'm on sunno sunno shows off things more than yudio as far as i can tell i only ate three cheeseburgers has a quarter million plays uh scroll down a little bit uh cat has almost half a million capybara has over a quarter million. Of course, we're taking their word for this. Yes, that's a pretty big deal.

Starting point is 02:46:08 Deep Night has a quarter million. It's very easy and quite common to, I'll just say that view counts are not always super accurate, and it's very easy for them to not be super accurate. And I think it's, I have personally deemed that a decent amount of it is intentional. So maybe, but I have no idea. I've never heard of the site, but a lot of people in chat had known about it. The second we started talking about Yudio, people were posting a bunch of links from

Starting point is 02:46:36 Suno. Wild. Instagram is going to be adding a new filtering feature, which detects and blurs images that are likely to contain nudity. This filtering will reportedly use on-device analysis, so that's good, meaning that it also works with end-to-end encryption. The feature will also prompt users

Starting point is 02:46:54 who appear to be attempting to send a nude photo to think twice before sending nude images. Nudity filtering will be turned on by default for all users under 18, meaning Instagram is dead. No, they'll just lie about what age they are. I don't know. I don't know.

Starting point is 02:47:12 If they're doing this, presumably they have some kind of intent to enforce this. I don't think it's going to be that hard for them to figure out if users under the legal age are sending nudity of themselves like oh i see um and uh yeah i i thought of this as uh wait hold on yeah i think the filter is for receivers of the images yes yeah it's not senders i think the warning is just for yeah the warning is for senders yeah so it just seems like they're headed in a direction now that they've acknowledged the problem yeah they kind of have to do something yeah and if they do something they're done i wonder how much of like if i wonder how hard it would be to deal with the processing of this for twitter

Starting point is 02:48:07 be to deal with the processing of this for twitter oh man i don't read through public threads anymore you can't yeah if it's a thread of like someone i know i might click on it if it's not i just don't if it's very trending i just don't click on it's just full of bums yeah click on my whatever yeah top whatever percent yep yep and the text will have absolutely nothing to do with the imagery. Nope. According to meta, this is not only to protect people from seeing unwanted nudity, but also to protect them from scammers who use nude images to catch fish user catfish users into sending them extortion material. Yes,

Starting point is 02:48:37 that is very important. And honestly, I agree to do that. This seems the intent seems great. How's it going to do that with warnings? So it warns the sender. warnings so it warns the sender yeah it warns the sender and it blurs the blurs the imagery um basically they're putting barriers in place for sexting i don't think it's gonna do the the also protect them from scammers who use nude images to catfish users it's not gonna do that at all if people wanted to see that image they're just gonna turn the filter off sure that's fair enough but i'm not

Starting point is 02:49:09 i'm not saying the goal is like bad or anything i just that's that's not gonna happen i'm just saying look i'm just a twitter roulette look at the comment section of any trending tweet in public yeah but there's a bullet in every chamber i have specifically opened and then immediately reflexively been like oh geez and closed twitter before because i was like i'm in public and i can't really guarantee that what comes up is gonna be okay oh yeah 100 nope anyway my point was just this direction that they're in heading in this goal seems admirable seems good um the fact that they're in heading in this goal seems admirable seems good um the fact that they didn't weren't working on this already is the opposite of all

Starting point is 02:49:50 of that and now that they're doing this i just don't think people are going to use it i mean it's no it's no secret that people use the least nannied platform because that's what they want to do yeah uh every studios and floatplane says they already warn about violent content etc if you said it so this looks like an expansion of something that they kind of already do yeah content warnings uh discord topic sure discord torches switch emulators serve services servicers okay ubisoft blocks gamers from ever reinstalling the crew again discord has shut down the servers for suyu suyu and sudachi both of which were forks of switch emulator yuzu as well as disabling the accounts of their lead developers so that second part is particularly troubling

Starting point is 02:50:38 yeah because their ability for the friends connections that they've made so their ability to effectively respawn or even continue communication at all because verifying you were probably anonymous so verifying that you were that person if your account is fully disabled if you don't have any secondary forms of communication could be just genuinely impossible yep unless you have some way to prove like look i have this information that no one else would have had or whatever that's don't like that discord has not commented on why it went this far only that it's following its typical procedure for dmca takedown requests yeah that what is to ben whoever okay hold on carry on however dmc takedowns usually involve a notice being forwarded to the group or individual

Starting point is 02:51:25 suspected of posting violating content who have the option to take the infringing content down voluntarily or risk being sued according to the developers communication with discord has been vague and they received no prior warnings or a copy of any takedown request elsewhere in gaming ubisoft is now revoking digital licenses from owners of the crew preventing them from ever reinstalling it the game was delisted in december with the announcement that the servers would shut down in april despite having a lot of single single player content the game is server dependent and players were hoping to create and run fan servers following the shutdown similar to how wii u and 3ds fans have created a open source pretendo network to maintain online features following the shutdown of servers earlier this

Starting point is 02:52:10 week so there's quite a lot to unpack here um pretendo network super cool there's no guarantee that nintendo won't patch it out yeah it was based on an exploit that they were kind of holding on to until nintendo shut everything down and maybe is you know final patched out of these systems and they were like haha okay we were kind of sitting on this ready to go pretendo network let's go um yeah given how just sort of generally vengeful nintendo is i could see them investing dev time into completely dead platforms in order to just make darn good and sure you can't use anything without their blessing but i guess we'll see what scares me is the pretendo name because it's close

Starting point is 02:52:51 to nintendo because i i read something about like how one of the reasons why um so the the game boy the original game boy i might get some of this wrong i apologize if i do the original game boy would only launch games if the nintendo logo was displayed at the beginning they had some way of like pixel matching the nintendo logo if i remember correctly the logo was stored locally on the actual game boy itself and it would compare against what was on the cartridge because if you made like a uh non-official game or whatever yeah the only way to get it to launch was to have the Nintendo logo on. And if you put the Nintendo logo on there, they could go after you if you didn't have an agreement in place. Brilliant.

Starting point is 02:53:33 So they put you in a spot where they could legally attack you if you made a game that did work on Game Boy. Wow. So they've been doing this for a while, is my point. They're experienced yeah oh our thing says when show after dark uh just in case any of our live viewers need to like go or something should we uh hey there they are nice should we take their should we take their questions now and then get to a couple more topics after even though that's a little uncustomary they got it from sega

Starting point is 02:54:06 oh i don't know i don't yeah hilarious dude we still oh oh jerky we're just supposed to do it throughout the show oh sick savage jerky's back, folks. Nice. Perky Jerky? Wait, what is Perky Jerky? Yeah, what is that? Apparently it's not called Savage Jerky anymore. Wait, it's still called Savage Jerky. Okay, I'm so confused. Do they have a line of Perky Jerky?

Starting point is 02:54:34 Okay, this says Perky Jerky, Savage... Oh, were they acquired by Perky Jerky or something? Okay, I actually don't know. Two bold brands stronger together. Oh, okay. So they, like, merged? Cool, so some kind of m&a took place and now uh savage jerky and perky jerky are are two strong brands stronger together or something nice as long

Starting point is 02:54:55 as they still have the the bacon bacon jerky then sizzling bacon or sizzling maple uncured bacon jerky is that the one you used to go for i don't know but i i i definitely need to get my hands on some bacon jerky here and then uh okay dan are you uh are you bringing someone down how many how many live questions are we taking let's see i think we have uh one two three or lordy. Okay, why don't we do those? Okay, that would be good. Curtis! Curtis!

Starting point is 02:55:30 Their new branding is actually really sharp. Could you please bring them down? It's a random comment, but yeah, the bags look good. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, make sure you guys are... Okay okay they're on their way down i'm so happy it's been a while aj not not flow playing aj but aj and flow playing chat said uh you do is going to be amazing for my bard short prompts and i can just create amazing songs for my dnd character it's kind of a neat use for

Starting point is 02:56:06 it yeah hello i like that one okay what's up guys we're here let's do that i think you wrote some down right uh that's okay right now all right welcome i'm sorry the show is so long but realistically you knew what you were getting yourself into it's always this long let's go ahead all right yeah go for it uh okay um so first off i just wanted to say uh thank you uh my uh excuse me my son and I are having a great time. Oh, good. I'm glad to hear that. Okay, so I know that Luke and Linus are going to have very different answers for this.

Starting point is 02:56:57 That's a challenge, actually. Okay, so what is one bit of technology that you would like to see added into or removed from cars? Ooh. Removed, I think, is pretty easy, especially in light of the recent news that car manufacturers have been monitoring our driving habits and selling them to insurance or selling them to data brokers who have been selling them to insurance agencies i think that the correct time to remove that was yesterday and the next best time is right now um added into though as for added into honestly i can't think of too many more things that i would want i mean okay

Starting point is 02:57:41 how fantastical am i allowed to get because i mean if i could have a flying car obviously that would be ideal let's go vtol um i would like to have it i think flying cars are a terrible idea i would have to have it be small enough that i i don't have to like register my flight path in order to just cruise no man collision avoidance we can get advanced enough collision avoidance that it shouldn't be a problem we got this if that's if that's the case i'm super on board it's incredibly inefficient a terrible idea but yeah let's go oh yeah super inefficient but i mean we could have invented some new engine and it doesn't matter anymore because you have some battery thing yeah it's charged once for free you never have to charge it again who knows i mean yeah i mean while we're

Starting point is 02:58:23 making things up sure yeah and it smells like oranges and yeah i'd like that i'd be down okay hold on but let's let's maybe have a let's maybe have a real feature i mean it's one of those things where the automotive industry is so mature at this point that um i kind of feel like no matter how stupid the idea is either a car manufacturer has done it or the simpsons has done it uh what did what did they call um dan you would probably know this what did they call homer's car the homer oh yep well um that's great i don't know where I pulled that from. Yeah, anyway, it had like that, it had like that space, spaceship bubble cockpit and stuff like that.

Starting point is 02:59:08 If I could, okay, fine. You know what? I'm going to pick something somewhat reasonable. How about windshield wipers that don't wear out in like three months in the Pacific Northwest? How about that? There. That's what I want. How do those like sonic ones work?

Starting point is 02:59:22 Are they any good? Sonic windshield wipers. Well, it must be really fast and he's dead brutal killed from the soul out i thought it was a thing i swear it was a thing maybe i'm using the wrong term they did something or it wasn't actually like a blade oh they had some type of emitter wow i don't remember what it was that sounds like the kind of thing that tesla would promise to develop and then never do it might have been like a concept thing or something i don't remember it's been a long time

Starting point is 02:59:52 um i don't know i have this like i've hoped for a long time um that we could get to the point where you don't have to drive the car because like yeah driving cars can be cool and fun and stuff but the vast majority of the time it's just incredibly boring and a waste of time um so that would be nice but if i do anything in a car while someone else is driving it i just get car sick anyways so i don't know if there's any point i don't know if i actually really care so then what else could there be i don't know i feel like there's not a ton left to be super desired okay is part of the problem for you that people are bad drivers though because i am not a super motion sickness prone person i can go out on a boat no problem little dingy in the ocean

Starting point is 03:00:52 no problem um i can i literally will sit in the back of a car and use my laptop for an hour two hours at a time no problem but i swear to you every single uber driver in the entire greater vancouver area is determined to prevent me from doing that so by riding the accelerator almost as hard as they ride the brakes yes so over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again how hard is it to press the accelerator a little bit and press the brake a little bit or better yet press the accelerator even less and then just hold it there yeah so it it absolutely has to do with the drivers and it is absolutely pedal control specifically which i find interesting because you actually drive sometimes like a bit of a madman but i don't get sick when you're driving because i think it's not the overall speed and it's not like turning

Starting point is 03:01:50 it's just the yeah so like well i'm married to my wife so um i need to be pretty on top of it yeah fair all my kids get car sick too there's there's one person on staff actually um jake that i've driven in there i've i've been in their car while they were driving um and i had to get out and i wasn't even on my father-in-law no um so it ranges not actually on staff usually we're not the blue with most people as long as i just don't read anything i'm fine i'll just be like mildly uncomfortable but yeah so if it was like really good at pedal control maybe it's fine but i don't know bart the tech says is it that he drives it's that he drives in a way that your body expects the movement so it's not jarring yeah and i don't expect people to just

Starting point is 03:02:40 do this like oh i need to slow down i guess i need to slow down with the whole brake pedal oh i need to speed down i guess i need to slow down with the whole brake pedal oh i need to speed up i guess i need to speed up with the whole gas pedal like it's just oh my goodness relax a little bit efficient yes you should not be pressing the gas pedal any farther down than you absolutely have to it like obviously it does not work like this the mixing is non-linear but think about this for a second if you press down the pedal three quarters of the way to get up to speed what how much faster how much faster is that happening versus if you press down a quarter as much i promise you the amount of gas like if you could if you had a little live view okay if you had a camera at the at the site where the fuel was being injected into the cylinder and you could watch how much of your

Starting point is 03:03:32 liquid money that you just poured into your gas counter too yeah that you were dumping into it you'd go easy you know that's an interesting idea i wonder if you and i have similar driving styles because of frugality maybe i try to hypermile pretty often now that i have an electric car i'm way more easy about it but i was like hardcore on i do not want to be in a gear that is any higher than i absolutely have to be i i will be really annoying about like if the light's red i'm not advancing towards it i will generally slow down and if i cannot stop oh yeah so i can just get really slow 100 and then keep going drivers behind you hate it here though i don't know why i'm helping all of us right now yeah i know i don't get it yeah whatever i don't remember what the question was but maybe that adequately addressed

Starting point is 03:04:24 it oh i think i think i might have a feature actually based on something that you just said Yeah, whatever. I don't remember what the question was, but maybe that adequately addressed it. Oh, I think I might have a feature, actually, based on something that you just said that I kind of like. Sure. You know, efficient car driving promoter things in cars will usually be when you're doing well, it'll like grow a tree or whatever, right? I think I want the negativity version. You want a negativity version.

Starting point is 03:04:41 Yeah. So every time you stompomp on your accelerator they murder a squirrel like what are you asking for it'll be like oh hey looks like you like really pushed it there that cost you this many extra dollars and it's like when you get to the end of the drive instead of being like great job you saved the planet every single time it'll be like hmm that was actually kind of rough you could have saved six extra bucks this drive if you didn't drive like that that was nine percent worse than your best yeah interesting so gamify yeah gamify your driving efficiency okay that's pretty cool but like kind of like that yeah with i think a focus on kind of uh

Starting point is 03:05:22 oh man the drawbacks of it being bad. Oh, man, that'd be so cool. You rode your brakes really hard this drive. So you could compete as long as they anonymized the data and didn't sell it to anyone, which we know won't happen. I know, Dan. I know. Dan, let me live in my fantasy utopia.

Starting point is 03:05:42 No. It's fun here. No. Yes. live in my fantasy utopia no it's fun here no yes um how cool would it be if it compared you to everyone else who drove the same drive at the same time of day including yourself and you could like go for the high score yeah that'd be kind of neat that'd be i i i like the idea that instead of yeah i think that just grow a tree thing like i never really care that much um i i love trees you heard it here first yeah luke hates trees plant more luke hates trees.com etc but it's just like i i want it i kind of want it

Starting point is 03:06:17 to i want to feel the repercussions you know and maybe it's like yeah that was worth it i had to get someone to the hospital or something i don't know but a lot of the time it's like really i was just totally on time driving somewhere and just driving like a butt maybe it should tell me that me driving like a butt cost me x percent more on my brakes that i didn't need to cost me this much more on my gas um yeah i don't know i think that'd be interesting not everyone is quite as financially motivated as you, though. Like, if you told the average person that they just wasted six cents of fuel, they'd be like, eh. You'd be like, shock and awe. I could have done better.

Starting point is 03:06:54 I could have had one five-cent candy plus tax for that six cents. Yeah, I don't know. I would like it, though, personally. Does Luke get underpaid no i just uh i don't enjoy spending money i don't like the act of spending money i'll do it but that's not the cool part i do yeah will he does he though really does my birds have been at the vet for a week. Ooh. I'm spending some money. Yeah, he's spending money. Yeah. How's Wally doing? Actually, I do have good news.

Starting point is 03:07:30 Oh, good. Yeah. So they did a blood draw. Doing a blood draw on budgies is like super sketch. How much blood do they have? Exactly. That's the problem. No, but seriously, like how many milliliters of blood do they have? I don't know exactly, but it's very small.

Starting point is 03:07:45 There's the, I like this quote, humans, you know, we're mostly made of water, birds, mostly made of air, or at least budgies. So like, there isn't a lot there. So it's really dangerous, but the vet was like, yeah, we're not 100% certain what's going on. We need more information. So they did it, survived that. That's good.

Starting point is 03:08:01 They detected that it was probably something to do with liver problems. So they started giving antibiotics specifically targeting the liver to both birds both birds saw an improvement um and it's at the point that wally which was one that was struggling is no longer in an incubator as of today and they're in the same cage again as of today which is good because they're extremely social animals they're still monitoring them i'm really hoping i'm going to get a call tomorrow that i can pick them up one because i want my birds back but then also because it's really expensive fair enough yeah birds are mostly air.com everyone that you said so far has been turned into something and i'm like trying to dissuade

Starting point is 03:08:43 people not to do it because they keep posting in a full page. I'm like, we're not going to click on it. It's like we're not going to do it. Not click. Yeah, we're not going to acknowledge it. You could be harvesting our IPs or doing whatever else. Exactly.

Starting point is 03:08:52 Someone might have already. Oh, my goodness. Too late. Oh, that's too fast. My goodness. OK. All right. I think we're ready for our next merch messenger live thank you very

Starting point is 03:09:06 much thank you so much one of the people that grabbed the last domain their like name had dev ops in the name they're just like this is what they do nice oh my goodness welcome thank you and uh you're not going to click on it but i already clicked on luke has no clue and it redirects to lttstore.com so you don't have to do it i got it at least it did two hours ago i don't know what it does for now it does don't click on it don't click on it but thanks also for having me it's been a great day our pleasure my question is how do you handle the pressure of being a public figure in the tech industry while still prioritizing your own well-being and personal time that's a stupid question i obviously don't no no

Starting point is 03:09:46 i don't at all well why not honestly it's not the tech industry that's the problem i don't work in the tech industry that's a common misconception i work in the media industry and i cover tech and uh being in the media industry used to be tech industry by the way you're actually wrong okay fine thank you luke yes i also work in the clothing industry but let's be real here let me let me modify the tech and clothing industry and media thank you for that so oh man the see but my problem is not any part of the working in the tech industry or the clothing industry, for that matter. I actually really enjoy those parts. The parts that I find that the most pressure comes from is the media industry.

Starting point is 03:10:33 And that's one where, I mean, you know, we've... It used to be a lot easier. It used to be that our biggest controversy was, hey, we need to eat, so we have baked-in sponsor spots in our videos now. Whereas now it feels like... That was a big deal. It's also, yeah, that was like... People hated that for years, I think.

Starting point is 03:10:58 Yeah, we were on the leading edge of that. We weren't the first to do it, but we were pretty early in terms of monetizing the content outside of just AdSense. It was first in tech, right? Is that right? As far as I know, we were the first in tech. Although, ironically, no one cared when the entire channel was funded by a computer retailer. I never actually really thought about that before, but that's pretty funny.

Starting point is 03:11:23 Well, no, it's one of those things where people are so selectively outraged, right? How dare you promote Intel, compromise your integrity by promoting Intel's win a snowboard competition for Core i7 when you used to be, used to be what? A salesman at a computer store this is a step forward um and and we've worked hard to maintain our independent voice over the years but but that was something that you know i guess was just it was jarring for people and and sometimes it's not about you know big picture how big of a deal this is or how how much this is actually compromising the integrity of the people or the content and it's more just what do you what are you used to um what is the what is the flavor of the week right and um i do find i do find the the speed

Starting point is 03:12:19 of the news cycle and the speed of the outrage engine to be the most exhausting part of this job and i mean i said it in the i'm thinking of retiring stream um which maybe you've watched or maybe you haven't there's enough views on it that it's sort of fair for me to assume that a lot of people who watch the channel have seen it at this point. But I said it then, I said it now, I'm tired. The thing that keeps me going now is the team. We've got 100 people here who depend on me getting up and getting out of bed in the morning and being part of this thing and helping drive it

Starting point is 03:12:57 and being that sort of creative voice. It's also the community. I think that what we're doing is incredibly important. And some of these things are, I think, probably not properly appreciated yet. But I understand why, because we're not done yet. They don't see what I see yet for something like the lab. They don't see necessarily why we make the decisions that we do and so you know for us another thing that drives me is doing it anyway um whether people see it and appreciate it or not um so new article on the lab sorry new article on the lab oh oh

Starting point is 03:13:42 really i haven't seen this yet yeah sorry i have now officially become with some pretty significant design changes based on user feedback well let's check it out together shall we yeah okay comparison bin welcome to the beta blah blah blah we'd love to hear your feedback so make sure you do check that out at the top okay latest here we go okay oh look at that whoa whoa we got new imagery we got a watermark now that's pretty cool nice it actually looks sharp hold on is this what makes it expand or not expand you know what i'm not going to worry too much about that right now but uh this is uh i think i believe this has been revised revised you were the summary you were scrolling with your fingers i think you're actually clicking on the bars

Starting point is 03:14:26 because you don't have to click on the actual symbol. You can click anywhere on the bar. Oh, okay. Well, very interesting. So this is something we talked about in our meeting this week is like, how are we going to handle what's good and what's bad over time?

Starting point is 03:14:38 And we'd love to develop a system where it's kind of tag-based and then we can decay the goodness of tags as the technology changes for now i think these are going to be manual and you know these are going to be a product of their time rather than being um something that can naturally or not naturally but can decay in a controlled manner as our uh as our standards you know for what constitutes good 1440p performance evolve but this is this is this looks great i think it looks really good i think the feedback that we got from the community was genuinely very helpful so thank you for that i genuinely strongly appreciate it okay this is

Starting point is 03:15:18 just a link to luma field so it's not the thing we talked about that thing is not i don't think it's here yet okay i'm not going to worry about that thing yet so that's cool we're not going to talk about the thing it's back sport design because we weren't sure about the whatever whatever thing yep yep yep yep yep don't even don't even worry don't even trip uh is there any other particular new thing that i should be showing people oh wow this is a ton of comparative data yeah so that's pretty cool oh this is this highlight new no oh okay never mind it's been there uh in regards to things that are different i mean there is some stuff that are different like if before if you uh loaded if you if you selected drop downs for

Starting point is 03:15:56 something that didn't exist it just wouldn't like load anything now it communicates that we didn't test that oh man this is so cool this like interactive chart thing i really like just like awesome playing with it matt did a fantastic job um it feels very nicely responsive yeah it's great it's great looks great i notice you're in light mode i can't address that yeah boom oh well i don't know oh interesting well that could maybe be fixed what oh it said i was in dark mode already and then i clicked it and clicked dark mode and then it yeah that's fine nice yeah dark mode's pretty, well, nice. Yeah, that's fine. Nice. Yeah, dark mode's pretty. Looks really good. Anyway.

Starting point is 03:16:48 I don't always prefer dark mode, but I like dark mode on the lab site. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that I find coping mechanisms. Find reasons to do it. The people are great. I legitimately like my colleagues, which helps a lot. I think if that wasn't true anymore, I would probably just quit. Because that was a huge motivating factor for me to start the company was that I was tired of working with people that I didn't respect or didn't like.

Starting point is 03:17:16 And for me, those are honestly, they're pretty hand in hand. I also didn't like explaining things that should be common sense to people who were in charge of what i was doing um especially when in many cases and this is not true of every i don't think i'm the smartest person in the world but i think that we had some people in positions of authority who were especially um not the best when it came to making decisions and some of these differences in opinion um don't just boil down to like oh yeah like i'm really smart and they're

Starting point is 03:17:55 not smart it's not that it's not that simple but i just i i was tired of i was tired of being the common sense police sure um i hope that answers your question. That does. Thank you for your time, and good luck finding time for yourselves. All right. Now, thank you for your time. You came all the way out here, and you're thanking me for my time. Appreciate you.

Starting point is 03:18:14 All right. Next up, I guess. Yeah, do it. Come on in. Let's do it. Hey, yo. How you doing? Good.

Starting point is 03:18:22 You? Excellent. Never better. Thank you for having me i have a simple question at least i think do you have any plans on expanding on the hat line to include bucket hats bucket hats wow uh no we have no plans for bucket hats i think you're you're saying this like it's very out of the blue but i think bucket hats are trendy right now i know yeah i mean i dude look at me you would never know do i look yeah i mean i dude look at me you would

Starting point is 03:18:47 never know do i look yeah what would i was like what would i know about trendy i was letting you know what would you know about trendy not much more if any you could fit everything you know about trendy in a bucket hat probably you know you might actually know more than me because you talked to the people at creative warehouse more often and they would know they don't really try to pitch me things based on trendy though that's probably wise they probably learned that over time they did yeah yeah they try to pitch me stuff based on like what they think our audience will like regardless of trend and we do we do hop on trends a little bit like one of the trends that we've hopped on is that people need functional workwear that is comfortable yeah and we have like a lineup that

Starting point is 03:19:35 essentially that we're building around that something that i appreciate a lot about the creator warehouse products in general is that it's not really it's just good stuff that you'd like to have we really need to stop using the word merch yeah one of the one of the tour attendees um actually brought that up during the tour today and obviously they bought the 3d down jacket that's why they're here they they won the contest but they were like yeah no i don't buy the stuff because like i like care especially about necessarily the channel or you know whatever like the design's cool i guess or whatever but i buy it because it's really good i'm like yeah that's exactly

Starting point is 03:20:11 why you should buy something i don't think the actual goal have i ever asked someone to buy something from us because it's from us maybe but not in a lot of years and not many times i like this actually sorry conrad is proposing instead of merch messages because we're trying to get away from merch uh that we call them good stuff messages good stuff messages i mean the branding probably needs a little bit of work what do you call the bonus bin uh bonus bin that's what it's called isn't it what does luke call oh luke's name for the bonus bin is terrible it's not my name it's conrad's name well it's terrible i like that name what is it the fuss or the free upsell shelf it's not an upsell it's free you can't have a free upsell that's not what an upsell is hey man i don't make the rules great

Starting point is 03:20:56 anywho um thank you for your message our thing you said sorry i just love a good bucket hat. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah, it's a good one. If we made a bucket hat, it would be great, but we don't have any plans for a bucket hat right now. Thank you.

Starting point is 03:21:14 Thank you. All right, Dan. All right. Oh, we got another one. Come on. Come on down. All right. Maybe there are quality product questions instead of merch messages. I maybe they're a quality quality product questions

Starting point is 03:21:25 instead of merch messages i like that maybe quality this one's probably pretty quick for you i love my multi-nap shirt nice can i get one in pink oh i think we actually did a i think we actually did a prototype of that uh when we did the oh what did we ultimately release hold on a second the gray one sometimes i can't remember the products that we that we work on versus the ones that actually make their way oh man dude i should have shown you guys the uh the microfiber t-shirt when we were over there we have a we have a t-shirt in like it's it's the yellow like a microfiber cloth on the body and then the sleeves are accented in that like soft like baby blue and um and it's like made of microfiber cloth like you would have the cleanest phone you and all your friends you'd have friends coming up

Starting point is 03:22:21 behind you they'd be rubbing their phone on you for good luck or good screen visibility it's not very comfortable but i think we're gonna make it anyway as someone with glasses that's not a bad idea exactly that's what i'm talking about anyway the point is i think we actually did prototype that at some point promotions with glasses stores and i think we were worried that it would lack mainstream appeal i was into it we definitely did a blue one i just can't remember if we ever did a um if we ever got past mock-up for a multi-nep shirt in pink we released blue multi-nep i don't think we released it okay there was like a manufacturing issue so they were sold for like 20 bucks or something or maybe even 10 oh there you go i love that you know that i have one and i bought my mom one for her

Starting point is 03:23:10 birthday so they're nice shirts right i wish they i wish it was more apparent what it looked like in a photograph there you go they just it's like it doesn't it doesn't look like that yeah i mean it looks kind of like that part now that we're zoomed in it looks a bit better yeah it's it's basically it's more visible it's cool and people love it that we're zoomed in, it looks a bit better. Yeah, it's basically cool. It's more visible. It's cool and people love it, and we only have it in white and gray. Yeah. Man, this is such a good shirt. I just need enough to be a cartoon character and wear a different color of the exact same outfit every day of the week.

Starting point is 03:23:41 I'd be like Linus. I forget what the question was. Oh, yes yes the pink multi-nap yeah sorry i don't think there's any plans to expand the the rgb shirt which is what we call it now i think originally we just called it multi-nap which didn't mean a lot to a lot of people um there i don't think there's any plans to expand the rgb shirt lineup right now i could be mistaken though like maybe did we maybe, did we ever re... Did we ever rerun those blue ones? Like, I can't even remember anymore. We have so many products now.

Starting point is 03:24:11 Like, I can hardly keep track of everything on our store. All right. Okay, Dan, you want to hit us with another? Yes, come on, Dan. Are we almost at the end? I think we've got two more. Fantastic. I've got a real question.

Starting point is 03:24:23 What can I do for you? It's all real questions. Okay, so the game industry, AAA Gaming, has recently produced a ton of flops. at the end? I think we've got two more. Fantastic. What can I do for you? The game industry, AAA Gaming, has recently produced a ton of flops. What do you think professional game studios are going to do to combat this, or are they just going to stay on the same path? They're going to wait for someone younger and

Starting point is 03:24:39 hungrier and more innovative to make a cool game on their own, and then they're going to buy them, and then they're going to screw on their own and then they're going to buy them and then they're going to screw it up and then they're going to rinse and repeat nice so they're kind of going to stay on the same track with just a slightly different room yeah i think we might be witnessing somewhat of a turnover in companies so like uh certain large companies that are starting to flounder i think we're going to see offshoot companies, which there are a lot of examples of, starting to spawn up.

Starting point is 03:25:08 And certain indie companies that are hitting very major success, potentially turning into the futures AAA companies, certain offshoot companies forming out of these larger companies, potentially turning into the futures AAA companies. I think some companies are going to figure it out. I've noticed this is largely

Starting point is 03:25:24 a North American game developer problem. Some examples from like Japan for example are not having the same type of hit. I do wish that I do wish that I could agree that we're going to see these offshoots become the large companies but I don't think they'll get

Starting point is 03:25:40 a chance to get that big. Will they get gobbled again? Yeah because the challenge is unless your name is larian studios or arrowhead from rockstar i can't think of many game companies that can swing for the fences because remember the question specifically was triple a gaming i can't think of many companies that have managed this like Mark Rober, Mr. Beast approach to developing video games, where they swing for the fences, nail it on every release, and then can put their head down for three to six years and make the next absolute grand slam

Starting point is 03:26:17 home run game that keeps the engine turning. So at some point, when you grow big enough, and you try to create AAA quality games, you collapse under your own weight and companies like Microsoft and to a lesser extent, you know, the EAs and UBs of the world are going to have this unlimited bucket of money that they can use to M&A you and bring your talented developers, ironically, some of which probably came from you in the first place um on board so that you can continue to do what you're doing except probably with less passion and ultimately burn out like it's it it feels like it's in a really destructive cycle right now and and this ability of large organizations to just buy anything they want is not helping i i do agree but i don't think everything is is for sale now yes this is because they're making those big hits um but i i think we're seeing like there's there's quotes from uh the ceos and other various people at at companies like like larian and like arrowhead um that are very resistant to current triple a norms if that makes sense uh like on arrowhead's website um

Starting point is 03:27:33 this is this is so great fast philly says oh i love it i can't tell if this is self-aware or not i think gta 6 will be a technological marvel of gaming but that at this point there's no way it can live up to the hype that's pretty good uh i love it the quote i was looking i hope it's self-aware this is a quote on arrowhead's website i i do not think most current triple a studios follow this type of mentality um but a game made for everyone is a game made for no one that's helldivers um arrowhead except as far as i can tell everybody loves hell divers smashed it with helldivers and a lot of people really really like that game but they didn't design it with the design it for everyone in mind right uh and that's not really a mentality that you see a lot of these giant studios um baller's gate was made for people

Starting point is 03:28:32 you know that would really enjoy this type of thing and it was just made so well that it hit a much more mass market i think that's the same with hell divers i think that's the same with something like elden ring like really looking at elden ring success would anyone have guessed that a game that hard would resonate so well with so many people no but it was a masterpiece of a game so it did anyways um i don't it's one message on hell divers now uh that's great yeah i don't know i i was a little depresso about it because i was like games are dead the whole industry is just dying and then over the last few last couple maybe years it's been looking a lot brighter so i'm not as worried about it anymore yeah

Starting point is 03:29:18 i think another big thing is that the community as much as i dog on the gaming community for like buying too many microtransactions and stuff um but they seem to be much more willing to jump on and embrace games from non-triple-a studios yeah fall guys among us among us uh what is that game that looks like oh pal, Palworld. Yeah, sure. Looks like Pokemon. Helldivers, Baldur's Gate 3. There's so many games that have smashed. Baldur's Gate 3 is AAA. I don't think technically. Is it?

Starting point is 03:29:53 Maybe it is. I don't know. How many years did they work on it? Is that how you define AAA? I think AAA. I don't think you can call them a AAA. You know what? It depends, I guess, how you define AAA.

Starting point is 03:30:04 I'm defining AAA in terms of scope. It's ambitious. Because one person could conceivably build a AAA quality game if they had 25 to 30 lifetimes to work on it or whatever. To me, AAA is quality. But I could definitely understand if other people viewed it as more of like um the dollars that were spent on it but i mean even in either case balder's gate three there's no way that that wasn't extremely expensive to create yeah for sure i just how do

Starting point is 03:30:37 you actually define triple a well how do you find define quadruple okay balder's gate 3 had a budget of 100 million us dollars heck yeah is that accurate where'd you get that from uh oh that doesn't sound accurate no that's just a tweet yeah i don't think that means anything hold on uh hold on this is from oh no this is just the forum on larian Studios. Look, the point is, I believe that number. It's an enormous game. I don't. Really? And in talking to people that work there,

Starting point is 03:31:12 a lot of people overestimate how much, how many resources they had going into it. A lot of people assumed that they received like a ton of money from Hasbro to make it when that was just not the case. It's, yeah, i don't know it doesn't look like they've disclosed publicly no i don't think so because they are independent i don't know if you want to call them an indie but they are independent yeah this medium article just says no one called them a triple a studio before reviews came in for bg3 no one was calling them a triple a studio when

Starting point is 03:31:48 that's bg3 beta was public no one was calling them a triple a studio at all these other times um but suddenly bg3 just smashes it out of the park and now they're called the triple a studio which if that's how you become a triple a studio then yeah we saw it we saw a developer go on the path that I'm talking about was that ever a long path yeah so I don't know because they had been making a lot of games before BG3 a lot of people heard about them with BG3 but they've been making games forever you want to know a fun one do you remember Magica the weird game you could do like uh you played a little spellcaster but a lot of inputs would do different things and like one of them was blue screen was the was the input that your character could do anyways i used to play it back in the day i'm sure you've we've talked about it

Starting point is 03:32:31 and i'm sure you've played it at one point um but arrowhead made magicka the guys that made uh helldivers made magicka which i thought was really cool i'm pretty sure that's true let me verify this real quick yeah magica it's kind of neat i swear i've never heard of this luke i'm sure you have i swear to you i have never heard of this your memory is questionable that's true it's apparently from 13 years ago yeah or at least this video about it is from 13 years ago wow four-player adventure mode that's cool yeah and it's what like an rpg or like uh would that be the right way to call it maybe dungeon crawler adventure game sure yeah something like that recent reviews mixed yeah i was no wonder what that's about i sure. Crashes all the time when played online is the first negative review I found.

Starting point is 03:33:28 Prone to crashing. It's a 13-year-old game. Yeah, maybe it's not running well on modern systems anymore. Well, that's a bummer, because all reviews is very positive. Yeah. Yeah, that's a bummer. This was an extremely positively looked-at game at the time. Cool.

Starting point is 03:33:43 All right, I think we're ready for our next one, Dan. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. I think your last one comes in. Alright, here we go. So, Vote for Magicka, it's like a great single player together game to play. So not a real

Starting point is 03:34:00 question here, necessarily. Dan might like it. UDO? LTT? Christmas album no no no and no all of you know especially you

Starting point is 03:34:16 know you know why it's a no because we've got Dan and he could just make one in house exactly no wait no no you've got enough audio from Linus you can just mix it you only need like a minute or two anyway that is not the point it's not about how much you need it's about how much you should have and the answer is none like 300 hours of like uncompressed exactly like channel linus you can have the whole album and just review it to him yeah exactly

Starting point is 03:34:43 uh other could just play it too yeah exactly and other could just play it constantly throughout his house and it would always be different oh that'd be a fun channel super fun hijacking the audio in linus's house speaking of floatplane exclusives if you guys haven't checked them out we've got a ton of really great ones our north korean gaming console video is up in early access we don't we don't typically do early access necessarily on floatplane anymore but hey every once in a while these videos do show up and this one is a doozy uh we've also had a ton of great exclusive extended cut from the ludwig collab uh we've got the uh warning adult themes extras from the

Starting point is 03:35:36 roasting craigslist and facebook marketplace computer listings uh this one was a little bit popular with the float plane audience got got that got that nice like dislike ratio and then from last week uh the car break-in prank reveals what happened at the end of the april fools video man we've had a ton of really good stuff lately so make sure that you check it out over at lmg.gg slash float plane all right i think that pretty much wraps up our in-person merch messages so dan oh oh yeah okay never mind uh so dan how do you want to handle this because we still have a couple topics how much after dark online merch messages there what are we doing here what what's going on i ask myself that a lot i think maybe go do some topics and then if you want you guys can move into after

Starting point is 03:36:25 dark yourself you know what the the light setting is you know we have the oh you're leaving us well we can either do some more topics oh no no okay or i can go like have more time to get set up if you're going to do some topics and then go directly into when after right so we're doing super checks uh exclusively streaming on float plane linus v. We're going to have a live audience, assuming they don't all go home because it's late. And I'm doing four cameras. I might need help from them this time. Four cameras.

Starting point is 03:36:50 Four cameras. If I can get them working, one of them is freaking out. But four cameras. Do you maybe want to recruit your helpers to get Apple boxes to prop up the thing? Meant to ask, how many do you want and what are the sizes, et cetera? Usually we use two full apples on the game

Starting point is 03:37:06 and then i need two half apples to stand on because the game is too tall for me if it's luke-sized most things are it's funny because even if the score is in favor of me he always wins because i end up emasculated it is true we both win it's good unless i lose the game as well oh all right i'm gone that doesn't happen see you later dan bad xbox creates game preservation score yeah let's do it we're gonna do this what the hell xbox has created are you okay the camera's following me i forgot that it was magic oh is that one of those uh yeah it's got the facial ones or whatever the facial track who is that one of those... Yeah, it's got the facial tracker. Mexico ones or whatever. It's got the facial tracker.

Starting point is 03:37:45 Who makes that one? I don't know. Isn't it on it? It's very not. I just want to look at you. You can't look at it closely without it. Instalink. Sorry, Insta360.

Starting point is 03:37:59 Oh, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, these things are cool. Wow, that's working great. Okay, what was I doing? Okay, goodbye. Anyways, Xbox has created a new team dedicated to game preservations, according to leaked emails from President Sarah Bond. Unlike many video game preservation efforts,

Starting point is 03:38:14 which focus on old games from previous generations, this team is apparently focused on proactively preserving current games and ensuring backwards compatibility in future hardware. Actually, super cool. That's super cool. It's unclear how broad the team's scope will be, preserving current games and ensuring backwards compatibility in future hardware actually super cool that's super cool it's unclear how broad the team's scope will be including whether it will cover online only games that are dependent on servers sarah bond likewise claimed in emails that microsoft is moving full speed ahead on the next console generation discussion question is thinking ahead and demanding backwards compatibility the only way to ensure the survival of our favorite game what an absolute chad i don't know sarah bond but i

Starting point is 03:38:48 like her already super super cool this is very very important no it's not the only way to ensure the survival of games um but it's better than nothing which is what we have right now and i think taking a you know forward thinking approach to it is just very wise um because trying to do it after the fact can be really messy it can be impossible in some cases the source code is just lost and stuff assets are just lost they're scattered yeah it can be really wacky so doing it up up front is is really good what is this topic are we covering this topic i mean i thought it was pretty interesting i don't know anything about it ai doesn't understand interracial love is okay but this is this is meta specific is that multiple oh ai image generators seem to struggle to understand prompts asking for mixed race couples especially asian men with white women according to a report

Starting point is 03:39:43 by the verge this was first discovered with instagram's image generator which would almost always create two people of the same race when asked for an interracial couple after this was widely reported meta appears to have blocked prompts with keywords like asian man though this was quietly reversed after the verge asked them about it the verge then replicated these results with Dolly 3 and Mid Journey. For all three generators, it was possible to create an image of a white man with an Asian woman

Starting point is 03:40:12 or a black man with a white woman, though this was inconsistent and seemed to depend on the phrasing. Black man and white girlfriend wouldn't work, but white woman and black boyfriend would. When asked for an Asian man with a white wife, Dolly 3 and Midjourney repeatedly created an Asian man next to an Asian-featured woman with blonde hair

Starting point is 03:40:30 and at least once a black man with a white woman in Asian-looking clothing. Verge's team was only able to get a straightforward image of an Asian man and white woman couple by using the prompt Asian man and white woman standing in a yard academic setting. While The Ver verge attempted to test gemini's image generator google still hasn't reinstated its ability to create images with human subjects which was removed back in february following the racially diverse 1940s german soldiers episode which we talked about on a previous wan show yeah the feature was supposed

Starting point is 03:41:01 to return in march but it's still not available at this time so we've got some images for this this is absolutely mind-bending uh so this is asian man and caucasian woman couple oh yeah asian man with caucasian wife huh okay sure uh what else we got here i think these asian woman with white husband uh-huh uh-huh it seems to depend on phrasing and specific keywords because these were you know interesting uh here's dolly and mid journey fusing asian slash white features can you make me a photo of an asian man and a white woman um maybe kind of yeah sort of uh what are the prompts for this one because these look like it might have worked for some reason platonic seems to work fine check this out and the keyword academic this is weird isn't that weird i wonder why well i mean it's it's how these things are trained i

Starting point is 03:42:18 mean statistically speaking it has no trouble generating the most common mixed race couples but seems to just completely completely fall on its face when trying to generate something that it hasn't seen so would that explain the uh whatever it was uh black man with white girlfriend or white girlfriend with black boyfriend or whatever it was. Because that was just a wording reverse. It seems to me that instead of, and look, I don't work in AI development. I don't know how the black box works. All I can do is look at the output and take a guess as to what's inside it. It seems to me that they are somewhat, at least to a degree,

Starting point is 03:43:08 that they are somewhat at least to a degree dependent on the entire image of their sources if that makes sense as opposed to being able to use the entire image of a whole bunch of white women so you think that's why there would be feature blending as well i think that's why there would be feature blending i think that's why it would struggle to create an image that it doesn't have a full frame reference for yeah that seems like that's something that's very solvable to be honest you would think that's the case well i mean it's honestly only been like a little while i know it's just they're definitely going fast enough i think the you would think is uh we could we could leave we could leave him alone uh ai's ai's progressing quite quickly already um but yeah i don't know that's it's an interesting problem but i think it's definitely a solvable problem which is good yeah definitely it doesn't

Starting point is 03:43:58 see it's not like hallucinating fingers or doing anything like that it's just well i mean i'm sure it also is actually strategically check this out this is great all the hands i didn't think about that that's funny hold on do any of these photos have hands yes the uh the meta ai ones yeah that's not too bad yeah anyway yep i don't know i don't know i just thought it was pretty funny because That's not too bad. Yeah, anyway. Yep. I don't know. I just thought it was pretty funny because AI is funny.

Starting point is 03:44:30 Yeah. Android AirTags are finally on their way. Google is rolling out a major update and expansion to the Find My Device network, which includes Bluetooth proximity tracking and compatibility with third-party Bluetooth trackers. So this is Android's answer to Apple's AirTags. It also has an unknown tracker alert feature, which tells users when a suspicious tracker appears to be following them. This update was supposed to come out last year,

Starting point is 03:44:50 but was delayed by the effort to make the unknown tracker alert feature cross-compatible with Apple AirTags. Google apparently completed the work on their end in around a month, but Apple delayed it, first waiting on a production implementation of the specification for unwanted tracking alerts, which became available in December of 2023. And then I guess they just took a while to get to it.

Starting point is 03:45:11 The FCC is also rolling out broadband nutrition labels. This week, the broadband consumer labels rule came into effect, which require ISPs to prominently display standardized information labels designed to look like nutrition labels on food whenever a customer is signing up for a plan. I actually think the design is phenomenally stupid, but the idea behind it that you can see what the name of the plan is, the length of the contract,

Starting point is 03:45:34 the typical download and upload speeds, latency, and link to potential bundle and discount options is a really good thing. They must list the monthly price, whether that is an introductory rate, how long it will last, and any additional fees, whether one time or monthly, and they must include data caps and charges for exceeding them, as well as links to their network management and privacy policies. This is pretty cool. This is an example of good regulation, in my opinion they're not actually making anybody do anything this is very

Starting point is 03:46:10 much open market all they're requiring is that they communicate in a straightforward manner to potential customers so they can make an informed choice which is how an open market needs to work very cool and you know what else is cool it's after dark time nice so am i reading you things then i don't know you can read yourself things nope i refuse actually um let me second would you would you just read out loud to yourself you'd read out read out loud to someone else i don't know where i'm going with this uh anyways why can't i there we go mr lefreniere i read out loud to myself all the time oh oh we didn't do the hp sued for alleged printer ink monopoly again well i just broadcasted a merch message so all right well then let's do this one and then go

Starting point is 03:47:03 back to it i'll mark this as something we'll we'll touch on next week all right sounds good uh hello lld how can i uh get access to my family the importance of how can i get across who my brain is fun sometimes how can i get across my family the importance of cyber security and protecting their data on the internet um who did the i don't think you can can i say that word i don't know the what some uh late night show uh comedian host guy john oliver yeah maybe i don't know john oliver is abrasive it might not have been him i think he's funny but he's he's he's a loud assertive personality is he the one that got the the 9-11 veterans their their lung cancer or whatever it was money because if so he's it sounds like the kind of chatted out thing that john oliver would do but

Starting point is 03:47:58 i'm not i'm not sure if that was him because that's pretty sick one of those guys did a did a thing where to to convince people that was john stewart okay cool yeah he only recently uh returned to tv actually he are to to his to his show um sorry i'm listening you've been fun to talk to you tonight um i've been all over the place i'm tired it's friday it's okay we played tape to tape pretty late um i wasn't gonna say yeah one of them did a thing where they were like would you actually want uh man what was it it was something about like data privacy and companies being able to see your files and stuff like that and it was like do you want all your pictures of your thing being shared with companies and it's

Starting point is 03:48:40 the same kind of situation like maybe maybe come up with something that would be horrible for them to lose or something that would be horrible for someone else to be able to have access to um and be like is it worth risking this thing because this happens and then give some examples of of data loss that have happened because it's totally a thing you can also put together practical demos like generate a little you know generate a little clip of a um of a political figure they admire doing something abhorrent and be like hey this is how easy it is to to to be fooled you should really pay attention to the question but that is a very good no no i was going somewhere with this. Okay. You need to pay careful attention to, you know,

Starting point is 03:49:27 what the actual from field says in an email. Because there's a lot of really important, there's a lot of misinformation out there. And if you are not constantly vigilant, and the reason I brought this up is because my aunt actually showed me some of the emails that I sent her. That she's smart enough to not click anything in because they're suspicious, but she didn't understand how an email could say from Linus Sebastian and not be from me.

Starting point is 03:49:51 Really good on her to not click that. What's interesting is this is a huge problem that I see in Apple's default mail client. It doesn't show the email address by default and it's not even obvious where to click. There's no hyperlink. You just have to touch the name and it expands and it shows it's from like xjfmb at some some gibberish domain.com um and so just even the fact that it knows that sending her an email from

Starting point is 03:50:18 linus sebastian makes her more likely to click on it is information that has been gathered about her so the more you can do to put together practical demonstrations of how a lapse in cyber security a lapse in vigilance can result in devastating consequences i would say the better yeah yeah good call um chat says it was the john oliver data broker story and it was incredible says maddie l yeah it's been a while so i didn't remember but yeah anyways um next up what did you guys look for oh sorry what did you guys look at when picking your shirt printer for the quality you were looking for want to get some images printed on the blank tees but want to know what to look for um so you're looking at the elasticity of the ink when it's dried you want it to be thick enough that you don't really see the texture of the shirt too clearly but you

Starting point is 03:51:13 don't want it to be so thick that it'll be prone to cracking uh using high quality inks but that's something you're only going to know if you're talking to someone with experience um how yeah how can you tell like if you were picking a shirt printer would they give you like sample shirts from from like because this person it sounds like they're doing very low run maybe one or two and that's tough you just have to just have any on hand yeah previous work yeah okay but that won't tell you how it's going to look after 10 or 20 washes so your mileage may vary that That's fair. All right. Yeah. Okay. Hey, LLD, curious to know what you think about the freshwater situation in BC. I want to relocate there in the near future, but I'm worried about the potential COL crisis

Starting point is 03:51:57 from drinking water to electricity. Yeah. The lack of like glaciers anymore thing is going to be a big problem for Canada. Cost of living crisis. Like we can have, we can have all the water in the world. Um, but if we only have it for nine months out of the year, we're still all going to die in that three months that we don't have any water. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:52:18 Kind of neat. And we don't have a lot of like BC lacks a lot of infrastructure to, to um i don't know what term you would use this artificially manually something to to manage our water yeah because we're like ah i just have so much it's just always there yeah we don't need to do anything and then suddenly it's not really there anymore so we need to kind of retrofit our province to be able to retain water better which is a little wacky um but luckily there is a lot of tech already out there. In regards to cost of living crisis, maybe don't move to BC. Got him.

Starting point is 03:52:50 I don't know what to tell you, but it's just... I think you do know what to tell him. It's rough here. I think you just told him. That's fair. I did. I mean, I'm not going to leave, but it can be challenging.

Starting point is 03:53:02 If there's some great opportunity or something, obviously, yeah, come here. but yeah it can be challenging if you if there's some like great opportunity or something like obviously yeah come here it's it's it's a great place to live in regards to like the nature that you're in and and all that type of stuff but it can get viciously expensive this is great pit boy says doesn't have anything to do with glaciers drinking water is snow on mountains this year there wasn't much where do you think glaciers come from from mommy and daddy glaciers sorry i'm not meaning i'm not meaning to tease but snow pack becomes glaciers glaciers are started as snow um so yes they are the things that you

Starting point is 03:53:40 said are are one in the same broadcasting again what's up boys will there ever come a day when wan show doesn't make sense to make weekly or say the ceo says no more wan from a business uh standpoint no when forever got him um next one hey dll what do you think about achievement hunting in games is it ridiculous to go back and do all the little things just to achieve 100 completion are you just trying to get different answers from the two of us because i think we feel very differently about this i uh i don't get i just don't get the dopamine hit from an achievement anymore i just don't care um for me i uh i i think it's it's just that i i no longer have the energy and attention to to to grind at something if i'm not having fun i will only yeah yeah i think for me it's it's like i actually

Starting point is 03:54:47 i think i only have two games on steam ever that i've 100 completed which i don't know if that'll surprise you or not assassin's creed hold on hold on hold on hold on black flag wait that's not on steam yeah no okay ftl is that one yeah yeah okay hold on you know the other one i am thinking you'll get it i believe i'm thinking slay the spire yeah yes man um and is it is it like is our relationship no fun anymore is there any mystery left now that we can just i think it's still fun um i think i think we do sometimes need like outside things though we'd like some new thing to talk about because it's like oh my goodness there's there's too much i i don't remember what it was the um what video was that the guessing computer prices video yeah there's a bunch of comments where it's like well it's just

Starting point is 03:55:44 they just like know what the other one's doing all the time like yeah you get used to it the funny thing is we don't actually we will sometimes go six months in a row without really interacting outside of wanshow for real though yeah very rarely that long but regularly we will go a month without interacting outside of wanshow and there have been periods where it was that long yeah 100 yeah i don't know it's just a thing but um yeah i don't for me it's like if i really like a game but i'm starting to lose interest but i like want to be interested in it still it gives me another it's like an alternative gameplay mechanical i almost feel like they've gotten too hard to account for the no-lifes that are going to do it anyway like what i'm going to go find every stupid korok in breath of the wild like i hate that type of

Starting point is 03:56:35 stuff though like i just i know like the slave aspire ones i liked a lot and the ftl ones i liked a lot because it made you play in like a weird way okay like are they skill based figure out because it's just a tedious walk the entire map pixel by pixel grind i just don't really i don't really think i can do that uh assassin's creed i actually hate the achievements for assassin's creed for the most part you won you won 100 one of them for the most part you won you won 100 one of them uh i 100 percented the the synchronization which was like basically perfect execution of every mission which was not 100 of the achievements oh okay because assassin's creed like assassin's creed one had horrible achievements that were based around like there's i don't know these like glowing feathers there's like a thousand of them

Starting point is 03:57:22 go find them all it's like dude i don't care yeah at all this feathers. There's like a thousand of them. Go find them all. It's like, dude, I don't care at all. This doesn't, this doesn't introduce a new way of playing the game. This doesn't change anything. It's just wander a lot. Yeah. I don't know. Like there's other games to play.

Starting point is 03:57:38 I think that's a big part of it is now that there's other games to play. And so, so, so, so, so many, um, wandering around just for the sake of getting a little you know thing that pops up on the bottom of the screen i'm sorry i just

Starting point is 03:57:52 can't be motivated for it i did get a little bit more into achievements in general during a kind of lull there near the kind of beginning of covid mid covid area where games were just trash because i was like well i'm gonna do something on my computer so i guess this thing i don't know i'll go get that but in general i don't like playing that way um okay moving on what was the worst slash most chaos inducing deal linus ever made during a wan show oh the one where i bought a bunch of gamestop yeah okay good call all right hold on and are there things he has been banned from offering such as the time he gave in international free shipping um banned from offering i mean i've been i've been told not to leak products on WAN show anymore. I think that's fairly banned.

Starting point is 03:58:48 Any, any Linus ban is, um, temptation, a guideline more than anything. Yeah. It's just like, it's,

Starting point is 03:58:55 it's, it's daring me to do it again. Yeah. Kinda. I don't know, man. Look, if I can't do this for fun,

Starting point is 03:59:02 why would I even do this? Like I've talked about this before like I don't have to so like let's have some fun tech is supposed this is supposed to be fun if it's not fun then let's stop you know like no man

Starting point is 03:59:18 we gotta do our thing we gotta do things play some super checks after this yeah let's do it. Dude, I'm going to have a hard time. I'm so sore. And I don't know what's going on. Let's go.

Starting point is 03:59:30 I thought this bottle was falling for a second, so I went to go catch it. Nice. And it wasn't falling. And I'm having a really hard time with the dyslexia with reading stuff. I think I might be tired. Yeah. How's being older? I'm suffering because I'm going to lose so bad.

Starting point is 03:59:42 So I'm trying to be like, ah, there's a lot of things going on. How's being old and not being able to stay up late anymore yeah it kind of sucks a lot yeah i know right uh hi lld my recent project has me uh upgrade my has had me upgrade my home server there it goes i was wondering why are the usb 3.2 gen 2 adapters for 10 gig ethernet not ubiquitous my motherboard has puny one gig card which is my bottleneck now because uh did you say 10 gig 10 gig chipsets are still expensive yeah and it's cost yeah because either you're going to have to have so okay so you either have to have wider uh you have to have more lanes on the highway right so then you would need more conductors or you have to have wider uh they have to have more lanes on the highway right so then you would need more

Starting point is 04:00:27 conductors or you have to have faster signaling and since we haven't changed the rj45 connector in 30 years i was gonna say i don't think i like have known something like that yeah yeah i don't i don't i don't know how many years it's been uh then the signaling has to be faster for the signaling to be faster you're going to have to have more advanced um transmission techniques you're going to have to have faster decoding and encoding on both ends it's just more complicated and going from 10 megabit to 100 megabit to gigabit was pretty doable going from gigabit to 10 gigabit turns out it was really hard um they're getting a lot cheaper they're getting way cheaper than they used to be but it's not the kind of thing that most consumers are going to be expecting to pay extra for in a stupid little

Starting point is 04:01:15 dongle and it's not the kind of thing that most consumers need if you're the kind of person who needs it then you know you need it and realistically you need it for some kind of professional purpose probably because there's to my knowledge no reasonable average consumer application for 10 gig networking you can make your nas faster that's about the only thing that really springs to mind and even then most things you're going to do on that and the only reason you would need it to be that fast like need it to be that fast is if you have astronomical amounts of data or if you're like video editing off of the nas or something like that and then we're kind of reaching the kind of prosumer professional level again here hey i love your old t-shirts but the new ones have really large neck openings

Starting point is 04:02:02 is it just me or are they designed that way uh i didn't know they had large neck openings i didn't know that either they seem like good sized neck openings to me to me uh these aren't them i checked my own real quick it was like oh yeah i looked at myself in the picture uh yeah i'm not sure uh while xoc is mostly about the high score, have you seen it impact the development of new products? Is AMD slash Intel slash NVIDIA paying attention to the wild XOC achievements or is it too left field to matter?

Starting point is 04:02:35 Not going to lie. XOC means what? So far we've got Precision XOC, that EVGA overclocking software, XOC Tequila Grill, XOC Lady XOC, so far we've got precision xoc that evga overclocking software xoc tequila grill xoc uh lady xoc a maya queen consort um xoc pharmaceuticals i'm sorry but i just actually have no idea what you're talking about right now i'm terribly sorry and i will try better next time uh if that's true they probably don't care um if it's just a benchmark thing it's probably not that big of a deal unless it's reported on really heavily that's one way i would look at it um or if it's reported on in very important arenas

Starting point is 04:03:18 like if it's an enterprise thing if some enterprise blog reports on it or something, it might be important. How do you LLD? I'm an attorney and I've had experiences where opposing counsel can't even edit a PDF. I know your field is much more tech oriented, but what are some stories with some tech deck people? Extreme overclocking, I guess. That's it. What? I've never seen extreme overclocking i guess that's it what i've never seen extreme overclocking maybe i just ignored the acronym oh yeah i've i've never seen it i yeah i okay

Starting point is 04:03:53 i don't think they care what was the question does this does this dictate design decisions oh no yeah not at all heavens no there's there's people at these companies that are super into it and love it and think it's super cool and um i think they live in the basement and they do their science fair good stuff their science fair experiments there and that's cool and um other than a like, you know, if one of the big wigs happens to be in the building and walks by and is like, that's probably about the most acknowledgement

Starting point is 04:04:32 that they're going to get is the perception that I have and I could be mistaken, but I know I really don't think they care. Yeah. Some tech deaf people, I don't know't know in my life it's usually fine i mean but i am i am surrounded by tech people in general yeah i'm generally surrounded by by tech people too um

Starting point is 04:04:59 and maybe that's made me more patient in the workplace like there's no way that someone's going to be more of a challenge than you know the first time i tried to buy a computer for my grandpa and took it and like he couldn't wrap his head around horizontal movement translating to vertical movement on the screen i was just like oh so we're not going to exchange emails all right yeah there's a certain level um i don't know i honestly don't have a very good example i think most people have been very understanding and if they are lacking some form of understanding you can usually teach them fairly quickly and it's fine wow buddy michael r bought two swipe plus bidets thousand dollar invoice getting his house out heck yeah uh luke mentioned some time ago that you use a knowledge base for floatplane what do you use

Starting point is 04:05:54 as your knowledge base stack overflow team or confluence or just raw documents none of the above we use book stack um slash there's some stuff you said float plane specifically so i'm gonna stick with book stack but um we use peter hi peter um i was peter i was wondering why there wasn't a wan vod that's kind of funny um this doesn't matter really to other people but i don't know if you know this we rolled out a new transcoding system. I did not know this. Yeah. It's probably good that you don't because that means it's not going as bad as it could have, which is great.

Starting point is 04:06:32 It's going pretty good. There's been some problems, but anytime you swap out a part of a system that's that big, there's going to be some problems. I think it's going great so far. Hi, Peter. How's it going? Anyways, yeah, we use bookstack uh a lot of the people use google docs it's cool that's about it thank you

Starting point is 04:06:52 oh one of them just moved i don't know what happened uh i don't know what one is displaying because it jumped right before i clicked the button but hi dll i've been watching since seventh grade 2012 as you've grown and hired a diverse team what has the been the biggest culture shock zoomers oh actually i actually don't really think so i don't think there's been like other than like at all other than slang right like uh i you know you know what's funny is age is actually one of the ways that our company is the least diverse because if you if you look at all your sort of traditional ways that people are different or whatever um the kind of the kind of arbitrary lines that we draw our age spread is we're becoming the old people at the company right and even we are in our mid 30s still yeah i still get to say mid at 37 i think borderline i think i think that's allowable but yeah it's borderline 38ordeaux. 38, no. 38 is late 30s.

Starting point is 04:08:05 38's almost 40. You know what? I'm probably late 30s. Let's go with late 30s. 37, I think you could argue either way. Yeah, but my birthday's coming up. So I'm definitely late. I changed my mind.

Starting point is 04:08:16 Yeah, so I'm old at this company, and everyone at this company either grew up connected right because that's one of the big generational gaps right either grew up connected or worked in it or has worked in it extensively to the point where like so i'm like i'm thinking of someone like a gary or someone like a terran these guys are lifelong gamers right like they they are they have been immersed in the culture for enough of their adult lives that functionally i don't really see them as as far as i can tell there's like basically no one on the planet that spends as much as their time doing like it stuff as sean does yeah like all these guys are just like they're they're like you know they age is just a number

Starting point is 04:09:06 um and and it is so like given that we tend to attract people who have this commonality of being into tech and into gaming um the whole like spending time doing it thing i think is a big deal because i i find when you get older you tend to do fewer different things. So like what your week might look like might be very similar to the previous week and the next week. And you just do the same thing all the time. And that kind of results in it feel like time is going very quickly. And if you don't touch tech for, I don't know like like pushing bleeding edge tech for like six seven years and then you're like oh i'm gonna hobby get back into this yeah it's probably gonna be

Starting point is 04:09:51 really weird things will have changed a lot people are wearing goggles now what the heck is going on it's weird um but if you are in it every day then whatever it doesn't really matter. Anyways, archive that. Broadcast. WAN.dll. Great show. Curious about your thoughts on the YouTube UI change that shoves the description

Starting point is 04:10:14 and comments into a tiny column and spams the rest of the page with endless video recommendations. Yeah, I've seen quite a few complaints about it. I haven't had it served

Starting point is 04:10:24 to me yet. It doesn't surprise me that they're doing this. It's all about retention, yeah, I've seen quite a few complaints about it. I haven't, uh, had it served to me yet. Uh, it doesn't surprise me that they're doing this. It's all about retention, retention, retention. And for some reason, retention doesn't mean, uh, you know, making the comment section better and engaging that way. It means watch more video, watch more video, watch more video. Um, I, I think that, you know, my opinion doesn't matter. If you don't like it, then you don't like it. I haven't tried to use it yet. As someone who tends to kind of ignore anything on a page

Starting point is 04:10:53 that isn't the thing that I'm looking for, I probably won't notice it that much. But I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the things that YouTube is doing as a platform. I wish they'd kind of keep being YouTube, but maybe that's just me being a, you know, late 30-something fuddy-duddy at this point. I can't tell.

Starting point is 04:11:09 I've been feeling actually very similar ways when looking at it about the like, am I the one who is wrong kind of situation? Because I look at them like this looks messy and really chaotic, but then some people like watching a short that's split in half and there's content on one bit and a gameplay on the other bit it's like so maybe maybe this is what the kids want maybe i'm the one who's wrong i don't know never mind nope they're the one that's wrong screw off anyways um greetings dll from the uk just catching up i wait till he starts reading and then i curate

Starting point is 04:11:42 another one so cool uh Just catching up here. I just tried PIA VPN. It cut my connection speed from 250 megabits per second to less than 70 megabits per second. Why does this happen and vary between VPN providers? Visiting Calgary soon. What you're doing is no longer going directly to the thing that you're doing it with. You're jumping through. You're hopping through a network of other servers. So depending where you're hopping it's going to affect it you could

Starting point is 04:12:10 try selecting different servers on there see what happens but using a vpn is generally not something that you do for speed yeah it's not for performance and don't forget that there's the encryption element as well so you have to encrypt and decrypt yeah um figures you'd be out of the bottle caps when mine breaks uh oh oh that makes sense like these yeah we do have a new one coming but it's going to be a little bit are we restocking these at all uh it's that but better oh that's the new one that's coming but you said it's going to be a bit so like how long do you think we'll be able to stock of these i don't know okay good that's more of a Nick question. He's indisposed. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 04:12:47 Yeah. That makes sense. I'll settle for a gift for my wife and a question. What's your top three co-op games from childhood? Are they the same as today? Much love. Man, co-op was far less of a thing back then. I mean, a super cool one that existed during my childhood but that i

Starting point is 04:13:05 didn't play as a child child was uh secret of mana um are you are you not including like teenager as childhood where does childhood end i would say childhood ends at 11 or 12 11 or 12 yeah um yeah co-op lost vikings for, yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah. Lost Vikings and like, it was kind of a weird form of co-op, but was it Super Mario Bros? You just kind of like took turns? Yeah, sure. Yeah, that's cool.

Starting point is 04:13:36 It's technically co-op. Those would probably be my top three. I really enjoyed the first Trine. I was in my late teens. Like I was probably 19 when that came out. Oh, maybe 20. I don't know. But Trine, super cool. cool yeah uh what else we got man there's a surprising number of merch messages today what the heck happened it was a pretty light

Starting point is 04:13:55 merch message night and then now it's like wild that's when we start doing them uh what games do you wish would be either completely reimagined or remastered? I'd love to see the Prince of Persia trilogy remade. I love Warrior Within. Thanks for the great merch. I want Freelancer. There. Freelancer is super cool.

Starting point is 04:14:22 Ooh. Oh, man. That TIE Fighter community rebuild thing was super cool. I didn't end up playing it, though. There were some things that were not working for me about it. Oh, that'd be super cool. I'd be super into that. Reimagined or remastered? reimagined or remastered i think back to anything like the the wells kind of been sucked dry for a lot of ips like if it had any merit whatsoever it's it's been it's been addressed yeah yeah chrono trigger is a good one from kakaroto 5045 speaking of snes rpgs have you even touched final fantasy 6 yes but all the gaming i've been doing lately is either with you or it's been making games not playing them but i've touched it a little bit it

Starting point is 04:15:09 works my computer doesn't crash i haven't gotten much further though because i'm trying to like remember where i was so i loaded up and then just started like googling things for where the heck i am and what i'm doing it um but i'll play it this weekend for sure um for me there's an obvious answer that you could guess there's a less obvious answer because i was like i gotta find something that isn't morowind um i don't want morowind reimagined at all um if they remastered it i would hope that they just make it look better like the super mario rpg one where it's basically just yeah we like remade it but modern yeah because i don't want them to have like a modern quest log i want the journal to stay right the journal that would never happen no i know so it's not gonna

Starting point is 04:15:49 not gonna be a thing another thing that won't be a thing but a different answer that you might not expect is skull and bumblebees really it just released i don't want to remaster i want to reimagined you did the whole thing wrong just start over yeah trash the whole thing that you have and make the thing that the entire community asked you for the entire time you pivoted like six times along the way you never needed to it was extremely well communicated what everyone wanted and then you didn't make that um you failed try again please i don't think they will i don't think they're making any more quadruple a games anytime soon but uh yeah there's potentials are we looking through these um aiden asked are there some upcoming features or tools for your dev team that excite you does the trans this is the new

Starting point is 04:16:38 transcoding system count um that's very exciting to me it's really cool it's kubernetes based so it's like in our whole thing uh and it's it's nice and fast cool it did the they're just movies podcast which was really long and it did it in like i think it's like half an hour or something it's pretty good and it's that's every version so every resolution that's the the thumbnail thing so you can scrub the video all that type of stuff okay it's cool uh torrent a nVIDIA's new SDR to HDR conversion thing is pretty cool, but it only runs on PC. So I'd like to see, oh man, they want community made up mastering for SDR to HDR on a per movie basis. I mean, that sounds super cool. I don't know if it's entirely realistic, but I could see something like that coming out in the future.

Starting point is 04:17:20 It would be a colossal effort though, I mean. But then there are things that have happened that i never thought were possible like the way that you can just download subtitles for things and they're just like there are like community open source subtitles that's that's another sort of incredible community effort that has taken place over the years that uh it's it's shocking to me sometimes how obscure a title can be and just how perfectly and flawlessly it works. So shout out, you know, people for just being motivated motherfuckers. Anonymous is participating in a Skills Canada Provincial Robotics Competition

Starting point is 04:17:56 at the Tradex in Abbotsford next Wednesday and says if anyone wants to come check it out, that'd be super cool. That would be super cool. So there you go. That's a thing that's happening next Wednesday. nice um anonymous says hello l2d2 uh what processes and tools do you use internally for product development safes jira i'm a qa lead and we often have to balance getting things done and having a robust company-wide process maybe a short answer for this one because we got to get upstairs yeah i'm trying to think of a

Starting point is 04:18:26 shorter answer a lot of different teams around the company use their own things i'll say that largely it's not like super scrum like individual small units of people use their own things but it's usually like uh what i would define as a developmental unit within the company so like labs uses their own thing flow plane uses their own thing creator warehouse uses their own thing and it's it's good it works okay there's that one i work for an lms for online classes and we're looking for a video streaming platform for our video content preferably self-hosted free open source but what happened to floatplane as a service on the business side we just haven't been motivated to develop and promote it and build a business case for it i think this is this is a case of marketing and sales dropping the ball

Starting point is 04:19:15 and vision dropping the ball and not the product not being good the product is great we just uh flow plane as a service partially that like part of the code exists we didn't like delete it we were working on it for a while um we just started prioritizing other things yeah just like we're prioritizing getting to the after party you can play some super checks we'll see you floatplane peeps over there and uh oh how do we end the show i don't know how to end the show oh here comes dan i can hear him running that was really funny actually that's hilarious i don't know how to end the show all right well we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel so when a float

Starting point is 04:19:59 plane chat said i can tell it's late because luke is speaking fast is that a thing well you gotta say the thing. Bye! Bye! You did it. That's what you get for trying to improve your-

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