The WAN Show - r/PCMasterRace Hates Me... - WAN Show January 28, 2022

Starting point is 00:00:00 is up ladies and gentlemen welcome to the wan show we've got a fantastic show for you guys today the big topics are of course that r slash pc master race has had it up to here with me oh yeah i'm dead to them oh yeah officially dead to them deceased because of a hot take that frankly i didn't think was that hot i thought if anything it was kind of a lukewarm lukewarm take left the t out a little too long actually not that warm he's smoking hot but you know yeah you're cold what's up with that i'm so cold well i told you i got my booster the other day and i'm just like i'm kind of all over the place right now um in other news the nvidia and arm wedding could be called off. Yeah. Uh-oh, who saw this one coming?

Starting point is 00:00:48 I'm pretty sure we called this. Did we call this? I think so. I don't know if we called that it actually wouldn't happen, but we definitely called that NVIDIA are... There might be a problem there. Yeah, are generally not beloved by the rest of the tech industry and that there might be some pushback. What else we got today?

Starting point is 00:01:04 Speaking of tech industry and that there might be some pushback what else we got today speaking of tech industry legal stuff intel is feeling fine after dodging a 1.06 billion euro fine i'd be feeling pretty fine too man from like 2009 by the way also uh i really don't understand this at all but somehow nfts are coming to youtube i literally don't know what that means that's another apparently super hot take that i had last week when i was just like yeah whatever fuck it nfts who cares and people were like probably on both sides right hey um okay i'm sorry about your monkey jp you know what here let me roll the intro why don't we actually talk a little bit yeah no we'll save it for later i'll talk about that later we gotta roll the intro roll that intro boom the beep apparently didn't work

Starting point is 00:02:00 ah well see you later monet Yeah, who needs it anyway? Can we end it? That's right, ladies and gentlemen. We are gonna jump right into our first topic of the day, the one and only Linus Linus Media Group. That's right, that's his real last name, posted an inadvertent, super red hot take on Twitter last night. So I'm going to go ahead and share my screen here.

Starting point is 00:02:30 Let's start with the tweet that began it all, which was a look at the 2021 revenue makeup for Linus Media Group. We're not planning to do a full update this year. We're not going to do a video about it. We did one just last year. But I did want to keep you guys abreast to what's going on. So basically, I said, hey, you know, I want to make sure we're staying transparent with y'all. So YouTube AdSense is 18%. Other affiliates and ads is 5 percent uh facebook ads is two percent sponsored projects and in video sponsor spots combined for 35 merch is 32 float planes four percent yeah amazon associates is three percent with other revenue being one percent and in response to this tweet uh one uh astute viewer said hold on a second let me see if i can

Starting point is 00:03:28 find the thread here because it's super yeah it's really difficult to find stuff on twitter uh one kirk lau said wow i didn't imagine that adsense would be a fifth of your income i feel like a jerk for being lazy not customizing my ad blocker. I responded. I said, online websites and creators are supported by ads. I thought that was pretty common knowledge, question mark. Ad blocking is the exact same thing as piracy, literally the exact same thing. People will still do it, and I've been guilty of it at times but we just need to be aware of the impact that was what i said now tell me luke please tell me how spicy is that take uh give it to me out of out of ghost peppers how many ghost peppers i mean if i read it, I would not have cared at all. Okay, but no, people are super mad.

Starting point is 00:04:30 Like Twitch chat, which is awful. Awful people. Love you, floatplane chat. Love you, YouTube chat. Twitch chat. Just the worst. Sorry, you're the worst. Do they agree with you because it's Twitch chat twitch chat no it was opposite no no

Starting point is 00:04:50 no no no no so help me out here i uh i i would not have been able to expect this reaction at all i'm genuinely very surprised by it because most people that I know just wouldn't care. That makes sense. Okay. Like, yeah. But I made it worse. Okay. I did post some follow-up tweets on the subject.

Starting point is 00:05:15 Okay. Okay. Here I was replying to Thompson Rem. Yep. Our company would be less than one-fifth the size if we were like oh no that was that was a different that was a different comment i was replying to something something don't want to plaster the forum with ads something something former sponsor was trying to pressure us we didn't notice that was a really funny one uh okay okay so here's here's where here's where things get

Starting point is 00:05:43 kind of uh get kind of spicy conflating blocking ads with piracy is silly. Why not encourage everyone to block ads but buy some merch? At least your merch segues are amusing and the desk pads are awesome. To which I replied, why not encourage everyone to torrent Stranger Things rather than subscribing to Netflix and then buy a Stranger Things themed Lego set and t-shirt? to Netflix and then buy a Stranger Things themed Lego set and t-shirt. I said, you see now, it's literally the exact same thing. The payment for the content in this case is ads. You're not watching them. You are not paying for it because that's what the payment

Starting point is 00:06:22 is. I followed that tweet up and twitter is terrible so it's really hard to find this so we're going to go back to all of my things uh so there's another reply here basically i was told gonna have to agree to disagree love watching your content on youtube i'll still continue to block ads and buy merch instead said go sneak into cirque du soleil without a ticket when they try to kick you out, try the, but I bought a soda and a hoodie defense. You're just objectively wrong. The price is set by the seller, not the buyer.

Starting point is 00:06:52 You can steal slash pirate it, but then just admit it to yourself. And then I followed up. To be clear, I have publicly said that a single merch purchase is worth more than a year of adsense for a viewer from a business standpoint i don't even care just don't make the argument it's not piracy ethical piracy is still piracy that was all i said on the subject i said that

Starting point is 00:07:20 not paying for a thing is piracy. So, shall I begin bringing up the atrocious takes that I would like to publicly annihilate? I want to do a very short discussion before we do that. But there's a lot of those. So we do got to get to that eventually. Sure. But when you're saying piracy sure would you back this up in a legal sense okay i think that's something that people are having problems with

Starting point is 00:07:52 sure but when i say piracy i mean yar yeah i get it i mean which is i think one of the reasons why like i was literally singing that before you got here. Oh, really? Nice. I think other people aren't interpreting it necessarily the same way. And I think that might be part of the problem. But let us continue. Sure.

Starting point is 00:08:18 Because I think that's the reason why when I read it, I'm like, yeah. Okay. And I just don't care. But then I think people are like, oh, you're saying I'm like, yeah, okay. And I just don't care. But then I think people are like, oh, you're saying I'm like breaking the law. And it's like, okay, no, you can control what your browser does. We've talked on Wancho

Starting point is 00:08:34 about how you need to be able to do that. That's like a thing that should be very important and you can do that and that's fine. But yeah, you're not paying for it. You're not, there isn't an exchange that is intended to happen happening and you are the one avoiding that. So yeah, I're not paying for it. You're not, there isn't an exchange that is intended to happen happening. And you are the one avoiding that. So yeah, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:08:49 Go for it. Slam. All right, here we go, ladies and gentlemen. Do your screen. Yeah. Ad blocking is not the exact same thing as piracy. To conflate the two is laughable at best and dangerous at worst.

Starting point is 00:09:02 If ad blocking were illegal, you would have companies launching lawsuits against ad blockers and their users so this yeah we're going that is some psychopathic dystopic garbage dang yeah we're going with the legal one straight away yeah so again maybe i mean maybe that's where the miscommunication took place ladies and, because I never said that it was illegal. I said it's piracy. Not everything that's piracy is necessarily, strictly speaking, illegal. Also, here's another really good take. No, not in 2015, not in 2022.

Starting point is 00:09:46 And it's a link from Torrent Freak. Ad blocking does not constitute copyright infringement. Never said it was copyright infringement. I said it's piracy, which is just taking what you please and not paying for it. Sorry, I got to address this merch message, which I'm going to share on screen as well. But Michael C. got a tech scarf, a a crewneck sweater two spout lids and a flannel um and said in his merch message i'm buying this so i can block ads sorcier says but you literally compared it to pirating net. Yes, I did. On Netflix, you have a video, right, to watch. Do we all follow along here? You're with me so far? Yeah. There's a video. I got you. Okay.

Starting point is 00:10:36 What's the deal? How do you get the video? You pay. You pay for a subscription to Netflix. Okay. What if you, for whatever reason, do not wish to pay, but you still wish to consume the video? What is that? Piracy. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Starting point is 00:10:51 Hold on. Hold on. Stick with me. You would have to actually do the thing. Okay. Stick with me here. On YouTube, what do we have? A video.

Starting point is 00:10:58 Okay. We got a video. Yeah. Okay. What's the deal to watch the video? You gotta watch an ad. Okay. Okay.

Starting point is 00:11:04 But if you want to watch the video and you don't want the ad, this is something else. Well, again, there has to be an action, but piracy. No, no, they're totally different, Luke. Self-liberation. Because, Francesco. Free sailors. I'm gonna have to disagree. The content itself is freely available.

Starting point is 00:11:24 The way internet works, I could just print the raw stream on paper. Nice. free sailors i'm gonna have to disagree the content itself is freely available the way internet works i could just print the raw stream on paper nice ads are more like if you were so kind please watch this you could print the stream on paper raw i like it do you understand what they mean by this because i actually have no idea uh there's actually a few different interpretations and francesco actually goes on to completely understand the issue which is really confusing to me taking your example of the cirque du soleil ticket that is a transaction to watch the show you have to have a ticket well not if you sneak in that was my point um freely available content as the name suggests is free Ads are fundamental to sustain it,

Starting point is 00:12:05 but they are not a given. It's not a tip. You're not like tipping your server by watching an ad. That's not how that works. It's actually the deal. Like that's the deal. So maybe part of the problem is that most people don't have the context

Starting point is 00:12:23 of what it takes to run a video hosting platform. Of the people in this room, half of them do. So why don't you talk about that a little bit? Is hosting a – I don't know how much it costs. I actually don't. It's expensive. Is hosting – I wanted to ask the question. Get owned.

Starting point is 00:12:41 I wanted to ask. I just pirated the – sorry. uh yeah no it's it's really expensive it's genuinely really expensive that's one of the reasons why like we we figured out that that twitch runs at a loss and we've known for forever z's that that youtube runs at a loss there's other gains from those platforms they want all your good juicy data um and data and watch time and all that fun stuff. But yeah, it's really- I love this. Great.

Starting point is 00:13:09 This is great. Joshua LaPura posts, it hurt itself in its confusion. Saying online websites and creators are supported by ads. I thought that was pretty common knowledge. Ad blocking is the exact same thing as piracy. Literally the exact same thing. People will still do it.

Starting point is 00:13:24 And I've been guilty of it at times, but we need to be aware of the impact Next to the video where I talked about YouTube advanced This is this one I actually linked because it's followed by a great take from today's judge go no idea how to pronounce that Where's the contradiction? He said it here. He said it in the video. People will still do it. And I've been guilty of it at times, but we just need to be aware of the impact. I'm not saying, you know, go throw yourself off a bridge, you disgraceful shell of a human being. I didn't say that. And we've even suggested, I don't know if it's been in a mainline video, but it's definitely been in WAN because I know I've done it. but we've suggested running ad blocker uh just in general on the internet because there's a lot of bad things

Starting point is 00:14:11 that ads can do so it's it's kind of a safety net nothing i said contradicted anything else i've ever said i said that i have ad blocker i said ad blocking happens i personally do not use it yeah i don't use it because that's not within, because of my position, I just think it would be pretty hypocritical for me to use it. But that doesn't mean that I haven't posted tutorials on how to install Pihole, for example.

Starting point is 00:14:35 But none of that contradicts. I said, this is piracy because it costs X. You've decided to pay X minus infinity and consume the content anyway so just understand that yeah just get it yeah i run an ad blocker but i also have youtube premium well then you're not a pirate because there would be no ad i have no idea what you're talking about well no i'm not saying you oh i'm not saying i am oh oh okay that was one of the takes i actually linked oh they're like how dare you i have youtube premium and i'm like well then what are you talking about what ads would you be saying for for my setup like i i watch a lot of youtube i don't want to watch all the ads

Starting point is 00:15:16 so i have youtube premium so that my watch time kicks back to creators that sweet that's like a way better exchange for the creator so that's cool that works and then when i'm browsing the internet i don't want ads to do bad things to my computer so i run adblock so obvious lobster on floatplane says exactly it's not piracy to ignore an ad that is served to me you're right no you just ignore it you just ignore it nice good job but here's the thing that way the platform still gets paid and the creator still gets paid sure do so you have actually participated in the transaction at that point but we're not talking about ignoring it we're talking about it never actually getting

Starting point is 00:15:56 served it's a completely different thing so let's go ahead let's go a little bit further this is the dumbest thing I've read today. Blocking ads is not the same as piracy. Nobody wants to watch invasive ads like the ones that pop up in the middle of a video on YouTube so people just install ad blocks to be able to avoid those invasive ads. Blocking ads is not piracy. I don't want to pay, so I won't pay. I don't want to pay, so I won't pay.

Starting point is 00:16:30 I didn't say that you like ads. I never said that. So the real key here is to not get caught up in, I don't know. It's honestly hard to analyze something like this without going a little bit sort of pop psychology on it. It just feels like there's a lot of projection. Like if you feel guilty about it because you don't like the word piracy or you don't like the idea that you are not paying for something,

Starting point is 00:17:00 for some good or some service that you are taking, well, then you have your own soul searching to do, right? Because I never talked about that. All I said was, if you are not upholding your end of the bargain, which is that you watch the ad, or at the very least, watch the first five seconds of the ad before you click skip, which does, by the first five seconds of the ad before you click skip which does by the way count for the creator um if you're not upholding your end of the bargain then it's piracy and if that bothers you then you've kind of got your own reflection to do right if it doesn't

Starting point is 00:17:37 bother you which lots of people it didn't but then fine but why are you arguing with me about it but then fine. But why are you arguing with me about it? It doesn't change what it is. It's still just not paying for it. Yeah, I think a lot of people just don't want to think of the activity that they're doing in that way. But they're avoiding compensating someone

Starting point is 00:17:56 for their work. So I don't know. So again, I find it ironic you say this. Not only does it not compare, but like it does compare. It compares very, very favorably. Not favorably. It compares very well.

Starting point is 00:18:07 Three years ago, you posted a video about how to block all ads with Piehole on a Raspberry Pi. It feels like the longer and bigger a channel gets, the greedier it gets. What did anything? I actually. We have literally had this take on Adblock, by the way. I think I'm pretty sure the first time we talked about it on WAN Show was in the garage. Oh, probably. And we said this same stuff. We were a very small channel at that time and honestly speaking guys like i posted our income like i actually posted our income breakdown

Starting point is 00:18:37 it's not linus tech tips that is going to suffer from this kind of thing. You're right. You're right. It is a way better business move to create other revenue streams. And we've got over 60 people here now. So we can create those revenue streams. There's been a lot of merch messages that have come in with different pirate flags and stuff like that. People are down.

Starting point is 00:19:03 And we have said publicly before, we're cool with that so like yeah whatever um okay so here's one online websites and creators are also supported by interactions and views no they aren't i i need to i need to clear this up for you, Corey. They're not. Luke, how much do I get paid for a view on YouTube? Zero dollars. What about in cents?

Starting point is 00:19:33 Zero cents. Lira? Nope. Rubles? Get owned. Zero, are you sure? Yeah. Zero of any of them?

Starting point is 00:19:40 Yep. Ding, ding, ding. That's correct. Could someone make an argument? Sure, go for it. That you get. Could someone make an argument? Sure. Go for it. That you get paid for the sponsor spots that you bake into the video? I do. I do get paid for those.

Starting point is 00:19:52 However, the way that those typically work, it used to be a lot more Wild West, five, six, seven, eight years ago. But nowadays, basically, the way that your rates get negotiated are based on some kind of a conversion. How many dollars they're paying per conversion. Ultimately, it becomes sort of a numbers game where the more conversions you get, the higher the sponsorship rates you might get from exactly the same sponsor. rates you might get from exactly the same sponsor. So at the end of the day, if you are also not engaging with any of the sponsors, then your contribution to those sponsorship rates is effectively zero. No sponsor is going to pay you based on just views, at least not one that you

Starting point is 00:20:41 work with on an ongoing basis. And the way that we typically engage with our sponsors is as a longer term relationship versus just trying to jack up our rates as high as possible and one and done it. So someone in Flowplane chat, Dark Force said with alternating case, you get paid in exposure. In exposure. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 00:21:00 This is college football. Obvious Lobster lobster says redefining piracy in this way is super anti-consumer blocking abs is not piracy i i still i still don't really understand what there is to argue against here it it is it's you basically saying i don't like the price of this thing i'm going to it anyway, and I'm not going to pay for it. There's a specific reason that I said piracy rather than stealing, because it's the whole classic, you wouldn't download a car. It's not stealing. You haven't actually relocated the video off of YouTube server and onto yours. But what it is, is piracyacy you've decided you don't like the price so you're just

Starting point is 00:21:45 not going to pay it and fine i never actually said go rot in hell i don't feel that way about it he's just defining it i've talked about vanced i've talked about pie hole i've talked in those videos in during those topics about how ultimately those things hurt my business. I've been extremely consistent on this topic. Extremely consistent. So what exactly do you guys expect from me? Legit Sue says that's not the legal definition of piracy. I mean, it's a pirate code code it's more like guidelines okay um all right i got i got one more real

Starting point is 00:22:31 classic one here and then we'll we'll leave this alone we're gonna move we're gonna move on from this um okay actually this one is just oh man you know what i'm not even gonna i'm not even gonna bother this one goes so far around in circles uh that's not the one that i thought i was clicking on it something something oh this is hilarious uh people have started deleting their tweets i'm clicking on ones i link before the show people like deleting them rough oh man okay so tell you what we'll call it here um no i don't mean it so in summary i don't mean in a legal sense it's piracy doesn't mean you should be able to get sued for it nope it just means that you've decided unilaterally that you don't like the price so you just take it and don't pay for it if that's not call it whatever you want call it whatever you want i guess it doesn't it

Starting point is 00:23:33 doesn't ultimately matter what word we decide on um should we come up with a new word for it we could try to come up with a new word piracy light piracy light um piracy light i don't think that was gonna fly either i like it though okay uh come on. Give me something better. Freebooting? Oh, my goodness. Yarhar. Cheapskating. I can't sing this out. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:24:11 I'm too bad. Cheapskating. Somebody merch messaged, Yarhar, fiddle DD, banana for scale, and a processor tee. Wend sweatpants and a new flannel for me. I am a pirate free loading free loading's not bad i actually kind of like free loading um oh i wish i'd uh did i ever talk talk about the one where i talked compared like talked about ethical piracy i guess I didn't oh I'm so disappointed I know you mentioned ethical piracy but I don't know if you meant

Starting point is 00:24:50 I don't know if you talked about like that tweet or something yeah I don't I don't remember leeching I like leeching leeching's not bad all right so anyway, love you all. And like I said in my original tweets, okay? Blah, blah, blah. Hold on. Hold on. Where is it? It's piracy. Be aware of the impact.

Starting point is 00:25:13 Sorry, it's freeloading. Leeching? Leeching. Sure, it's leeching. Piracy light. Piracy light. It's whatever. Let's substitute the word.

Starting point is 00:25:19 You guys don't like the word. Okay, fine. It is definitely not paying in the way that the service decides it's supposed to be paid you have decided not to pay and it's it's actually really amusing i didn't get to any of them but how many people compared it to like netflix and steam and how those ultimately uh decreased piracy significantly because they offered this and spotify this all you can eat version of paying for content, as though they don't know that YouTube Premium exists,

Starting point is 00:25:48 as though there's no alternative other than using an ad blocker on YouTube. So you've decided you neither want to pay for it, nor do you want to view an ad, and you're going to take it anyway. Call it whatever you want. All I said was that understand we do need to here i'm gonna use my exact words you need to be aware of the impact okay the payment for the content is

Starting point is 00:26:14 ads or premium if you don't do that you didn't pay for it you didn't that's it you didn't pay for it you didn't that's it you didn't pay for it um okay yeah nice and if you're chill with that then you're chill with that i'm chill too let's all be chilled together all right we're gonna chill i actually kind of have chills today it's cold in here yeah you know what there's a solution to that we might have a solution to that. It's an extremely Canadian solution. There's like just about the most Canadian solution ever to that. I love it. Luke, are you getting yours?

Starting point is 00:26:58 Yes. We just launched the Linus Tech Tips. A full adult shirt. We got the world's most beautiful front page model for it, by the way. Check this out. The one, the only, Anthony Young. This is a completely custom garment, ladies and gentlemen. This is not some rebranded nonsense. This was designed by the Creator creator warehouse team from the ground

Starting point is 00:27:26 freaking up the one and only sarah butt also modeling it the one and only titan also modeling it this is one of those products that uh ed actually asked me he's like are you gonna are you gonna wear the flannel shirt on the on the wancho are you gonna wear i don't think i've ever seen you wear wear flannel in your life like no i've owned a flannel i have never i have never owned a flannel i'm not a proper canadian i've never owned a flannel but my my best friend growing up his his dad had like flannel jackets like thicker flannels uh and colin brought an axe that's awesome i used to wear his kind of all the time yeah i never owned one myself uh please tell me alex modeled it he was so involved in the development process for this one how did alex not model it oh i'm disappointed

Starting point is 00:28:22 honestly everyone's done a great job though good job everyone i actually love how down the team is to to model the gear like no one gets like an extra bonus for oh i think i think you get to keep it after oh so okay never mind that's pretty good it's a little bit easier to explain pretty good um so it's got the gray fold-back thing. It's got nice pockets on it because we're all about those pockets. Oh, we finally did it. People have been asking for this for ages. Okay, this is not a perfect way to do this because if people don't happen to know who Anthony, Sarah, Tynan, and Colin are, then it won't help them much. But Sarah modeled our small, Tynan modeled the medium, Colin did the large, and Anthony did the triple XL.

Starting point is 00:29:06 So there you go, guys. We've finally done it. We've added the names of the models on the product page. All right. So, guys, go check it out. $59.99. It's on the site, and we're probably going to have a handful of merch messages. Let's talk about the NVIDIA and ARM wedding.

Starting point is 00:29:25 Looks like it could be called off. Bloomberg has reported that NVIDIA was letting business partners and associates know that they don't expect the deal with ARM to close. In December, the FTC filed a lawsuit to block the deal, alleging that the proposed deal would distort ARM's incentives to an in-chip market since the appointment of lena khan as chair the regulator is starting to scrutinize more deals the uk's competition market authority and the eu are also scrutinizing the merger i mean this is one of those things where pretty much everyone and their dog was calling on this going like uh yeah uh plis no yeah yeah and nvidia even came out and said look

Starting point is 00:30:09 we're not gonna we're not gonna um you know it's not gonna be bad it's gonna be good don't worry it's gonna be excellent but nvidia has a long and proud history of being extraordinarily difficult to work with when's the last time you saw an NVIDIA chip in an Apple laptop, for example? Yeah, yeah. Now, I'm not going to say, I'm not going to say that NVIDIA owned all the blame for that, but I will say that I think Apple's upset

Starting point is 00:30:36 is at least somewhat justified. Yeah, has Apple necessarily been the most easy to work with either? No, no, no. Those two companies were probably just- That was a clash that was not going to survive. ...destined to never work with each other. SoftBank, which currently owns Arm,

Starting point is 00:30:53 plans to instead list the company on the stock market in an IPO. 70% of the $40 billion deal was going to be paid in NVIDIA shares. Those have gone up 90% since the original announcement in September of 2020, meaning at this point the deal would actually cost nvidia about 25 billion dollars more um if it doesn't go through though nvidia will lose their 1.25 billion dollar down payment wow discussion topic here what are the odds the FTC wins the trial in August

Starting point is 00:31:25 to block the deal? Honestly- I feel pretty high. I feel like it would be pretty easy to demonstrate that NVIDIA owning ARM would put them in a position to unfairly influence their direct competitors pretty much across the entire industry. What are some dystopian fanfics

Starting point is 00:31:46 about the future of the chip market if this deal were to go through? Honestly, okay, here's a legitimately hot take, one that is, in my opinion, not as open and shut as the previous one we talked about. I actually don't think it would be that big of a deal. I think it would be a big deal. I don't think it would be that big of a deal. I think it would be a big deal. I don't think it would be a necessarily dystopian fanfic.

Starting point is 00:32:08 In the short term to midterm, I think it would... In the short term, I think it wouldn't matter because most of the licensees of arms technology have pretty bulletproof deals. I think Apple has a literal perpetual license. So that would only really start to affect Apple who has kind of, in a way, kind of forked the technology in a big way.

Starting point is 00:32:30 So that would only really affect them in maybe the medium to very long-term as NVIDIA changes ARM's development and ARM's R&D to benefit themselves and not really giving two hoots about anyone else yeah um i mean yeah anyone with just a complete license like ip license like apple i guess it just probably wouldn't matter for long term is your argument based on risk yeah yeah i thought so yeah yeah so in the short term i don't think it would matter because pretty much everyone

Starting point is 00:33:01 who's using arm is going to have a pretty long license term for whatever it is that they need. In the medium term, NVIDIA could steer ARM's development in a way that benefits their own supercomputing ambitions and nobody else's. And in the long term, I really think that ARM has kind of peaked in a way.

Starting point is 00:33:20 And honestly, that was why I thought SoftBank was trying to get rid of it. I mean, opening it up to an IPO And honestly, that was why I thought SoftBank was trying to get rid of it. Yeah. I mean, opening it up to an IPO is similar. Yeah, the IPO one. I just have a hard time figuring out how Arm is going to continue to grow and deliver shareholder value. I don't think I would buy that IPO.

Starting point is 00:33:47 Does it matter in modern era? Okay, that's sort of fair. Everything's just sort of based on feelings. As far as I can tell, all those markets are just like whimsical things. What was the big short guy's name? Michael Burry or whatever? Yeah. Didn't he have some quote about how how markets over the last like three or four years aren't based on anything? And he's like concerned about it moving forward.

Starting point is 00:34:13 It's interesting. Things are crazy. But yeah, I don't know. I think NVIDIA is going to lose, but we'll see what actually happens. They do have a lot of money to throw behind it. is going to lose but we'll see what actually happens they do have a lot of money to throw behind it i think it i think it would have been overall bad for the industry for nvidia to own arm arm is such a such a critical they're such a critical player especially for low-cost devices and nvidia is um not i guess there's a there's a comment on flowplane that says look into ampere

Starting point is 00:34:48 computing arm servers wiping amd's epic and intel zeons and the supercomputing space arm has been really strong uh we're not saying arm isn't super strong um we were saying that that compared to the intensity of the statement of dystopian fanfic of the future of chip market, I don't think it just ends the entire game. But it wouldn't be a good thing, as we said. I cannot keep up with the merch messages. They're actually coming too fast today. Jaden says, also in general, market consolidation equals bad.

Starting point is 00:35:23 Yeah, which is a big part of the reason why on the last show, we were saying that the core bad component of Microsoft buying Blizzard was that it was a huge amount of market consolidation into a group that already had a large amount of studios under it. And once the market has been consolidated... It doesn't spread back out. Yeah, it won't. It can't. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:45 How is anyone else supposed to compete with Game Pass budgets being thrown at game development by Microsoft? Especially when the marketing and the style of modern games is very, very much about like dopamine overload and flashy things and microtransactions and instead of like good story, good gameplay.

Starting point is 00:36:06 That makes it a lot harder for small groups to get into it yep absolutely and never mind small groups i'm having a hard time figuring out figuring out how sony's gonna compete yeah you know that tiny that small group sony um like nintendo i feel like i feel like they'll just sort of always have their little space in the corner yeah described yeah and sometimes it's a real big corner i mean is it switch coming up on biggest selling console ever like i think it's number two right now behind the ds or something like that huge i i don't remember the numbers i'm sorry but it passed uh it passed whatever was number three a little while ago, if I recall correctly. Just absolutely crazy.

Starting point is 00:36:49 I'm going to look it up really quick. I mean, I'm responsible for two of them at this point. You know what? I shouldn't have. I gave away my original Switch at the Christmas party, and I realized I'm an idiot. It was an OG one. It was moddable. Yeah. That's a yikes that's okay I've got the

Starting point is 00:37:10 OLED now and realistically I pay for all my Switch games anyway so it's one of those things where like oh man I hate to oh I hate to come back to like the piracy conversation again um it's one of those things where you know from my point of view I'm at a stage in my life where it's it's one of those things where, you know, from my point of view, I'm at a stage in my life where it's kind of not worth the hassle, if that makes sense. Like, even if I had some kind of strong moral objection, like, here, you know what? Wow. Okay, this is a hot take. I'm going to give you guys an example of something that I would consider to be ethical piracy. All right?

Starting point is 00:37:41 There's a rumor that Nintendo's working on a new Mario party that will come out for the switch okay okay when that came out if i discovered that nintendo had fixed the cut scene skip issue in the new one when they've continued to refuse to patch it in the old one i would just pirate the new one oh right okay because to me it makes the game but he's saying pirate utterly unplayable yeah utterly unplayable mario party whatever the one on switch is to play the actual board game have you tried it they make you sit through the instructions every single time i think i tried it once and i remember it being super tedious and i think that was the reason why i didn't try it again super tedious and every time you play you have to hear all the instructions all the general game instructions and it even asks you it asks you at the beginning

Starting point is 00:38:35 have you played before and you say yes and it tells you how to play usually the games are incredibly simple too like you don't even necessarily need instructions ever and i'm not even talking about the mini games i'm talking about it it tells you all the rules of the board game oh no okay so what should be a 25 minute game full of mini games takes an hour it literally doubles how long it takes to play the game. It's really frustrating. And so basically what I'm saying is if Nintendo, knowing about this issue, which is simple to patch, skippable cut scenes,

Starting point is 00:39:12 skippable cut scenes are basic. And if they patched it in the new version, I would consider that to be ethical piracy. Sorry, I paid you guys for a game. I paid the full price. It's basically unplayable i haven't i haven't touched it since the first like two weeks because that issue just makes it it makes it a complete waste of time for me yeah and all they have to do is make the cut scene skippable if i

Starting point is 00:39:38 could press a button and skip it no problem um and so it's just that kind of it's that kind of no problem um and so it's just that kind of it's that kind of just completely man it's not even it's not even it's not even apathy it's like actual malice towards your users why are you doing there's a lot it's weird because nintendo is seen as the like friendly you know friendly happy company and then yeah they have a lot of things that are like just so intensely anti-consumer it's very interesting i'm a fan of nintendo products i basically auto buy any console that they release i'll pretty much auto buy any like mario platformer they ever release but like yeah there's some there's some really brutal things uh whiskey nerd 88 says so what linus is saying is i should pirate borderlands

Starting point is 00:40:24 for pc since xbox will not let me play it on their PC launcher. He's not saying you should. I have actually talked about that before. I've talked about that specific use case where you have purchased a license for a particular piece of content and for whatever reason,

Starting point is 00:40:39 whether it's a region lock, which personally I find pretty ridiculous and anti-consumer, whether it's a region lock, which personally I find pretty ridiculous and anti-consumer. Whether it's a region lock or whether it's a platform lock, not a big fan. Now there are cases where I think that you get into very, very shaky ethical ground for that. Like for example, if we finally got a PC port of, say a game that will never come to PC, like God of War. Okay, if we finally got a pc port of say a game that will never come to pc like god of war okay we finally got a pc port for it and you kind of go you know oh well i'm mad about something so i'm not going to give them any money for this i can tell you right now that we're probably not going to get another pc port i loved that they did it immediately bought one because like i was stoked about it so basically you have to kind of consider the the message that

Starting point is 00:41:30 you are the message that you are sending um so in the case of the borderlands one you know honestly yeah i find it pretty i find it pretty offensive that i can buy a copy of a game that runs on my xbox and doesn't run on my PC. I'm calling on you to make your own decision. All I said, all I said in my tweet is you got to be aware of the impact. And that's what I'm saying right now. You've got to consider the impact. If we don't support your indie developers, or we don't support the change that we want to see in the world,

Starting point is 00:42:03 like getting PC ports of formerly exclusive titles, then you are definitely part of the problem and part of the reason that will keep going. Now, if you decide, oh, you know what? The port was bad, then the answer is don't play it, right? Or request a refund. Yeah. So those are sort of the,

Starting point is 00:42:24 those are all the decisions that you've got to for yourself that's all i said be aware uh mechanical eve oh man i guess what we're talking about this more thoughts on abandonware isn't that like a i think that's see this is where we're running into that problem where like there's an actual thing that is abandonware, right? And once something becomes technical abandonware, then no, it is legally not piracy anymore, I believe. Once it is technically abandonware. But do they mean technical abandonware? Or do they mean like it's been abandoned,

Starting point is 00:43:01 but it's not technically abandonware yet? Yeah, I am not sure like something like golden i double 07 you know where it's in it's in rights holder hell yeah um should you just pirate that game because you will never be able to buy it on virtual console the only way you're actually going to go buy it is buying it from a second hand situation anyways yeah where there is literally no money the creator is not getting money from that anyways yeah um that's a tough one guys that's a tough one um personally i would i would without any guilt just play that game or use that software if there's no legal way to acquire it but it's hard to give like suggestions for this type of stuff. You just have to understand the impact that you're having

Starting point is 00:43:46 and make the decision for yourself. Yeah, Micro7 says, Linus, you didn't say beware of the impact. You defined ad blocking as piracy regardless of what the website's terms are, but the website's terms don't enter into it. I said consider the impact. The impact of not paying for something

Starting point is 00:43:58 is that you pirated it. That's the impact. You just have to decide whether you're comfortable with that. Aight? Cool. Mechanical Evie says, yeah, I mean old vintage games

Starting point is 00:44:11 you literally can't buy on any platform. Yeah. So that's one of those topics that could be an entire show, honestly. Because there's so many weird edge cases, right? Like what if it's, okay, what if it's okay what if it's uh final fantasy tactics right the playstation 1 version what if i don't want to play the remastered version what if i don't want a bunch of the names of the items and stuff to have changed

Starting point is 00:44:37 i want to have exactly the same experience that i had when i was a kid and i will accept nothing else i don't want to buy the mobile version because i don't want to play on mobile controls or whatever the case may be i mean that's where you get into like i don't want to buy the mobile version because I don't want to play on mobile controls or whatever the case may be. I mean, that's where you get into like, I don't know, whatever you want to tell yourself, man. And there's weird ways that you can justify that. And again, these aren't suggestions, but something that you could do

Starting point is 00:44:54 is buy the remastered version. Don't even like install it and then just pirate the OG version and play it that way. If you think that's a justification and you're okay with that and you're okay with the variety of things that come with that, then great. If not, then don't do it. You just need to understand, like you said, understand the impact and then do what you're

Starting point is 00:45:15 going to do. Yep. Make a decision for yourself. And the decision I'm going to make for myself is to tell you about our sponsors today. Thank you to DigitalOcean for sponsoring today's WAN show. DigitalOcean's sponsoring today's WAN show. DigitalOcean's new app platform service helps you build modern cloud native apps easily while keeping costs low. With app platforms intuitive interface, you can rapidly build, deploy and scale static websites and apps with ease. Simply point app platform to your GitHub or GitLab repository and let it manage the infrastructure, application runtimes and other dependencies.

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Starting point is 00:46:39 antitrust fine from 2009. Now, this is an interesting one because this has been sitting in the court system for over a decade. The original case found that Intel was guilty of blocking AMD from the market by providing rebates to Dell, HP, and Lenovo if they sourced 95% of their chips through Intel. Well, that sounds like a pretty open-shut antitrust violation, but let's go on, shall we? Intel was also found to have paid a manufacturer to delay shipment of AMD desktops to enterprise customers. Well, that seems perfectly legit. One OEM apparently turned down an offer of 1 million free CPUs from AMD so that it could continue receiving rebates from Intel. Now, okay, both of those behaviors seem kind of problematic.

Starting point is 00:47:38 Yeah, what the heck? I'm going to be honest here. what the heck i'm gonna be honest here we have often said neither side of the table has clean hands but like wow that's uh i wonder what manufacturer that was because both sides really want their business it's probably like dell or something hp um the eu second highest court overturned the 12 year old ruling that fined Intel for 4% of their $37.6 billion in sales in 2008, finding that the original analysis was, get this, incomplete, and does not make it possible to establish the requisite legal standard that the rebates have anti-competitive effects. You know what I want?

Starting point is 00:48:23 I want the highest court in the land to be the court of common sense. That's what I want. The court of common sense would be able to get through these cases like real fast. Be like, oh, okay,

Starting point is 00:48:39 hold on a second. You are actually offering rebates to your customers to incentivize them to not buy a competing product i don't actually i don't actually need your requisite legal standard that that that proves that establishes the anti-competitive and it's also just like i oh so someone sorry this is for a previous topic but there was a merch message that just came in that

Starting point is 00:49:16 said the alternative phrase for piracy you're looking for should be privateering privateering because of the ad blocking because because the privacy privateering. Privateering. Because of the ad blocking. Because of privacy. Privateering. It fits okay in terms of both of same thing, maybe less severe context, and potentially your view of it as well. Yeah, sure.

Starting point is 00:49:38 As well as the... Potentially your view of it as well, like the English crown. Not great, but potentially just fine interesting okay i like it privateering privateer privateer okay it's amazing how many people are still arguing about it and still mad oh flow plane chat's just on fire yeah i love it i love it oh it's great um all right what else we got yeah the battle's been ongoing for years and included a rejection of intel's initial appeal by the very same court back in 2014 during this initial appeal intel claimed that the fine violated its human rights

Starting point is 00:50:18 why do corporations have human rights the appeal was not successful because apparently that was the court of common sense back then uh these kinds of rebates are generally concerning for regulators especially when they're issued by a dominant competitor uh yeah concerning i think is a mild word this could be a good sign for alphabet who recently lost their appeal of a 2.4 billion euro fine for unlawfully combining google shopping with google search okay which actually kind of i i don't know that might be a good thing but i i liked that when that existed because now i find that a lot of people default to Amazon because it's too hard to find what you want to buy elsewhere. And I try to avoid Amazon as much as I possibly can. But sometimes at this point, you don't really have a choice if there's a specific product that you do want or need or whatever.

Starting point is 00:51:15 Because it might just not be available anywhere other than Amazon, which is the problem that we're running into now. But sometimes it's hard to find because the front page of Google or whatever will just be shrek'd. I mean, these days, sometimes there's like five or six ad links before you get to any of the actual real ones, which can be really frustrating. But I've heard this sentiment elsewhere

Starting point is 00:51:39 and I've been thinking about switching to it. But some people have been saying that they've started using DuckDuckGo not because they're trying to get away from like activity tracking or anything like that, I've been thinking about switching to it. But some people have been saying that they've started using DuckDuckGo, not because they're trying to get away from like activity tracking or anything like that, but because the results are actually getting really good. And part of that being because of the amount of like sponsored or purchased ad spots at the top of Google searches. And like how many there will be sometimes. Like I just

Starting point is 00:52:05 mentioned five or six. Okay. Well now you have to scroll through to find what you're looking for. Now it's like below the fold to find a decent search result because it'll be all these ad spots and then it'll be like picture links or whatever. Like it's often very buried. So they're like, yeah, I go to duck, duck, go because it's often the first link. Cause a lot of things that I'm looking for, it's, it's easy to find. I don't remember the URL and the like, you know, the slashes afterwards to find it. So I'm going to Google it, but for those types of things that i'm looking for it's it's easy to find i don't remember the url and the like you know the slashes afterwards to find it so i'm going to google it but for those types of things or duck duck go it but for those types of things duck duck go is becoming literally more efficient not just not tracking you and the other benefits that it has but literally more efficient

Starting point is 00:52:38 which is really interesting i that's uh i hope it's duckGo's day because that would be really cool. I love, this is a really great question. Knock23 over on Floatplane says, if I pay for Floatplane, can I block ads on YouTube? I'm paying you directly for the content and can already access it without ads. Okay, so here's the challenge. Again, this comes down to your own personal ethics

Starting point is 00:53:02 because as we've discussed before, ad blocking is not illegal strictly speaking right so it's up to you but the thing to consider is that google is paying for that bandwidth they are paying for that video hosting now you might say well susan's gonna get her paycheck either way which is i think one of the responses on floatplane to you and so yeah if if you sleep perfectly fine at night knowing that google has literally billions upon billions and billions of dollars in the bank and you feel like they're probably not going to miss it then that's your own personal decision he's not telling you what

Starting point is 00:53:42 to do at no point in time has he told you what to do. I actually didn't. I didn't. Yeah. I think that's a big part that's being missed as well. There's no skin off my back. That's for sure. There's a merch message from Joshua H. Who says, if I ad block creators who aren't eligible for AdSense, is it piracy?

Starting point is 00:54:01 And the exact same thing that Linus just said. YouTube is still paying. youtube is still paying youtube is still paying for the servers youtube is still delivering you that video those data centers ain't free big money huge money i mean youtube was run at a loss for so long like so long and yeah they're i think they're squeezing us a little now honestly i mean i pay for youtube premium because i can't stand ads on youtube ads there's a lot of double unskippable ads that breaks me i've seen a triple i didn't even know that's possible yeah i might have been one skippable and two unskippable or something but i was just like i was i was not because i i

Starting point is 00:54:45 have like 18 google accounts right because one for every channel you're sometimes logged into the wrong one it plays ads so yeah and so i'm like i triggered and i need to i need to switch over to the thing um listen to these fools literally pandering for google are you kidding me no no we're not telling you what to do we're just we're just telling you that things cost money in the actual real world things cost money oh man and knock 23 says thanks for saying my name properly i pirate everything but i want to make daddy linus happy you actually do not pirate everything you pay for floatplane you're on floatplane you do not pirate that so that is one thing you didn't pirate or or privateer

Starting point is 00:55:26 ah yes i love that we are switching to privateer from now on i like i'm i'm super i'm super happy um i privateered some games that i emulate there's so many good ethical conversations that have come up from this tim sp on floatplane says they ran out of loss for so long because they wanted to kill the competition what if i don't want to reward google for killing all the competition then don't do it then that's we're not telling you what to do yeah stop come on do your thing oh man geez oh man figure it out bud oh man yep you guys are you guys are you guys are great you know i really do think that our audience is such a cut above the typical youtube audience like you go into our comment section versus some i'm not gonna i not going to single out some other vertical, but I could. There's some really toxic comment sections on YouTube and not just toxic. Like, man, I'm full of hot takes today.

Starting point is 00:56:33 Like really stupid. Like there's just like just low IQ comment sections. And I just I thank my lucky stars every day because a big part of my job is reading comments. my lucky stars every day because a big part of my job is reading comments and it is so infrequent that i have to wade into a comment section on one of our videos that i'm just like no i think probably the last time it happened to that degree was when we did the video on whether uh whether water cooling your cpu cools down the room your pc is in oh no yeah so i know this is confirmation bias talking shut up i know this is i know that this, this is confirmation bias speaking, but it felt like, okay, it felt like every single freaking comment was one of two things. It was either

Starting point is 00:57:37 this video doesn't need to exist because obviously if your CPU is running 20 degrees cooler, to exist because obviously if your CPU is running 20 degrees cooler the room is cooler or this video doesn't need to exist because obviously the thermal energy that is being output is identical therefore the room is an identical temperature and it was like 50-50 and I'm sitting here going if freaking either of you had read the other comment you would know this video needs to exist oh my goodness I remember that oh man I just

Starting point is 00:58:17 I just about died I it was it was one of the moments that I actually just went I don't know if this career is worth it. Oh, man. Merch message from Anonymous. Devil's Advocate. I think you're just advocating for your own position, but that's okay.

Starting point is 00:58:38 How does LTT feel about the fact that I pay for speaking that it's literally saying I am the Devil's Advocate? Anyways. I am the Devil devil I am my own advocate hear me mortals and tremble how does LTT feel about the fact that I pay for premium to avoid ads again we're not talking about what we feel like anyways um that we pay I pay for premium to avoid ads but every ltd video and everyone else skirts that and serves me a 30 plus second ad read we are both in the wrong okay statement at the end yeah so youtube premium does not entitle you to not viewing embedded sponsor call outs in the content also one of the things that, comes down to just personal ethics is that we intentionally make our sponsor reads on LTT highly skippable, so to speak.

Starting point is 00:59:35 So the reason that we do our first sponsor read right before the animated intro, which is about eight seconds long, is so that it is basically impossible to accidentally right arrow and miss any content because you should land somewhere in the intro unless you manage to really bung it up right and then the reason that we do the second one right at the very end is so that it's at the end and it's over the video that like sometimes we'll do fun little easter eggs and stuff at the end or we'll we'll throw on another little thing or whatever the case may be i mean obviously we want you guys to hear the message from our sponsor so that they like will pay us um so there's stuff like that but we actually do go out of our way to make those reads as palatable as possible.

Starting point is 01:00:26 We try to have fun with them. We try to add the segues. We try to make it a non-intrusive aspect of the content. And that was a very intentional decision because I don't like having ads and sponsorships shoved down my face. That's also the reason that we don't run YouTube mid-roll unskippable ads we simply do not run them it used to drive me absolutely crazy this was another like bash my head through the wall kind of thing when people would accuse us of making a video 10 minutes in one second long so that we

Starting point is 01:00:57 can get more money when there was no ad on it that was so epic that happened so much so much it was so painful it just it hurt my brain every single time i read it it's like you know we don't get paid for uploading a 10 minute and one second video right we don't get paid extra i'd see that on other channels too that that was definitely a youtube wide thing because enough people just talked about making more money from 10 minute videos that enough people just didn't understand like a lot of the audience was just like okay they make more money i don't need to know any more than this yeah it's like no it's it's the ability to put a mid-roll in that's what's going on yeah so if we didn't do it then hey there you go so so yeah from your point of

Starting point is 01:01:42 view maybe you don't like it from my point of, I feel like we've met in the middle. We've tried to compromise. We've tried to make it as reasonable as possible. But as you can see, 35% of our income is from those spots. So they ain't going away anytime soon because if we just stopped doing them outright, then that would be impactful. That'd be rough.

Starting point is 01:02:03 Yeah, that'd be pretty rough. Pretty rough. All right. What do we... I mean, honestly, I don't know how much conversation there is to have about the Intel fine getting... I don't think there's a ton. I think it's kind of ridiculous.

Starting point is 01:02:20 It's just a lot of money. Okay, so here's a discussion question from one of our new writers who's not off probation yet. Do you feel like this sets a dangerous precedent for other dominant companies? Oh, yeah. Now that AMD has clawed background in the CPU market, could we start seeing the same behavior from them? No, I don't think so.

Starting point is 01:02:37 AMD is still not in a dominant position in anything. They are, they are absolutely still an underdog in every market they participate in they have a really strong foothold now they do which they didn't before correct yeah but even even in the data center space where amd from a competitive standpoint is is slaying i'm just not convinced they can make enough chips to to to be in a dominant position right like intel has their own fabs and then this is this is an interesting one do you think the eu backed off on intel because of the announced big honking fab hmm gee that's actually that's a pretty smart take so i don't know i don't know if you read that somewhere else or if that's your idea but if it's your idea it's a pretty uh that's

Starting point is 01:03:25 pretty that seems pretty um nfts might come to youtube dislike dislike button still dead i don't understand i uh ceo susan wajiki oh hold on hold on i got one i got a good one hold on hold on all right 603 on floatplane says i don't understand how do youtube's competitors make money that's how youtube should do it youtube's competitors don't make money okay carry on youtube's competitors don't exist okay what's youtube's competitor nice facebook all right facebook yeah facebook makes money facebook does make money and they do it the same way yeah collecting all your data and selling it nice okay go ahead speaking of

Starting point is 01:04:12 more things that i don't understand nfts might come to youtube what is this me i still don't get it uh ceo susan wajiki i think that's how you pronounce it. Okay. Stated on January 25th. You put the thing right in the way. Oh, sorry. I have it. I'm reading along with you. There's an update on our key priorities. The state of the creator economy, innovation, supporting the work of creators, and protecting the YouTube community.

Starting point is 01:04:39 So all of that sounds great. She lists a bunch of great stuff like growth, jobs, economy, and then says NFTs and DAOs. They have highlighted a previously unimaginable opportunity to grow the connection between creators and their fans. Have they? Have they? They don't specify how they will use NFTs or now it says DOAs, but they like them.

Starting point is 01:05:04 Cool. I literally have no clue what this means. Maybe that has something to do with like creator avatars or banners. Are they just doing pictures? Do they have some other implementation for it? Because NFTs, which a lot of people don't understand, it's not just some pictures. Like you can NFT more things than just links to pictures so so could i like sell my video but also there's no legal transfer of copyright ownership so

Starting point is 01:05:34 i like i don't get it i have no idea i i literally have no clue how this makes any sense um i don't know um you can right click save a picture and you can also uh save youtube videos you sure can the same thing will happen if that's what happens i literally have no clue what this even means but nfts might come to youtube whatever that means it's just i read this and was just like what come on um so i think i feel like we should talk a little bit about the take last week on nfts because that was that was my other really excellent um hot take that i didn't think was that hot of a take okay yeah so who was even against you was it both sides so here's why people were mostly mad, I think. They were mad because I wasn't highlighting

Starting point is 01:06:27 the environmental impact of NFTs. And I got to confess that there was some ignorance there on my part. Did we not? Okay. I didn't realize how bad it was. It's bad. It's real bad. So I didn't realize how bad. It doesn't have to be bad.

Starting point is 01:06:41 No, it could be not bad. In fact, there are ways to mint NFTs today that are not that bad. But you mint an NFT on the Ethereum blockchain, it's like mega bad. Okay, so that's my bad. I actually didn't realize that we're talking like a cross-continental flight worth of carbon emissions or something like that to mint an NFT. So, okay okay fair enough but most seriously is that for like one person's portion of it or are you saying the whole thing apparently to mint it it's like way up there but don't don't take that as as fact so i just know it's a lot i

Starting point is 01:07:18 don't know what you it's somewhere in between what i thought it was which was like non-inconsequential, but like not huge and huge. Yeah. Somewhere in there. It's really big. The point, and, and, and the other thing is that, so the other thing people were mad about was just the sort of the, um, uh, like just, I don't know what would it be? Asininity?

Starting point is 01:07:41 Like there's just, they're're just they're just kind of stupid right yeah they don't transfer any kind of of rights to you or any kind of actual legal ownership they're just um it's it's kind of the equivalent of you know having a man i don't even i don't even know there's almost nothing equally dumb um and so a lot of people were upset that i wasn't upset at how dumb it is but i guess the thing it's a certificate of authentication but it's a certificate of authentication that could have come from anyone and is utterly meaningless yes because it could have come from anyone. But here's the thing. All I was saying last week,

Starting point is 01:08:31 all I was saying last week was that it doesn't surprise me. That was my point. And maybe I didn't do a good job of getting that across, but my point was just, clearly this ship has sailed. Clearly we were headed here. Because what is the difference between some skin on your gun or some hat that your character wears people like this i don't see the difference for some reason really like having things and knowing that other people don't have it um well yeah

Starting point is 01:09:01 that applies to like a lot of stuff so it's a flex yeah it's not the dumbest flex i've ever seen to be perfectly blunt there are some what's a dumber flex do you have an example trump's gold toilet i mean you could melt that down that's that's true um and the value of gold generally goes up honestly i personally investment personally i it's really smart i think just about any depreciating asset like uh like luxury brand pretty much anything okay here here here here here you and i are both on the same dumber flex dumber flex louis vuitton luggage oh okay luggage because it gets beat up because it is going to get kicked around in the back of a plane i've always like the same piece of luggage that i've had literally forever

Starting point is 01:09:51 that i that i uh what did we call it privateered from my mom um it's it's fabric right and it's held up really well in my opinion because it's fabric right so it's been able to like if it takes an impact it just it doesn't care it just bends um and i've i've known people that have had luggage just straight up break in a way shorter period of time because they have hard shells so they actually kind of counterintuitively take more damage but i only ever put like clothes and soft stuff in that luggage anyway so why do i care yeah um i don't know yeah sweet okay float plane is all about the gold controller apparently so like the gold toilet i think you could you could make a very similar argument the gold controller could be melted down technically appreciates and we have a potential

Starting point is 01:10:41 buyer but the problem is that they want to fly here to pick it up. And right now it's just not a good time. And right now it's just not a great time. Also, we need to fix something about it because the shoulder buttons suck. The triggers are okay, but the shoulders don't flex properly because it's one solid piece across and plastic bends and gold doesn't. Well, it does, but it doesn't. So what we want to do is we're going to give them that cast piece of gold, but we want to replace it with a plastic one.

Starting point is 01:11:06 And then we're also hoping to reposition the antenna so that it can go through the plastic so that the reception is a little bit better because it's mostly only usable. Yeah. So that's what we kind of still need to sort out. But yeah, no, I think we're going to be able to sell it for about what we paid.

Starting point is 01:11:23 Dude, this is another one where like, there's a bunch of people in floatplane chat trying to point out purchases that you have made that don't necessarily make a ton of sense. He's not saying he has never made a purchase that's a little odd. Like you bought a, I don't think anyone even mentioned this, but the MSI Dragon. That thing's so cool. I didn't buy it. I only had to pay for shipping. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 01:11:44 It was a not inconsequential amount. You still had to pay a lot for shipping. I feel like I got my money's worth out of it, though. Yeah, sweet. And if you get your money's worth out of whatever, like... I turned it into content. Content, boys. You got to understand what my business is, right?

Starting point is 01:11:59 Like, when I... Okay, okay, okay. Here's something. And that was the idea behind the gold controller, actually, as well. Yes. So, the solar panels... Sorry, here's something. And that was the idea behind the gold controller, actually, as well. Yes. So the solar panels. Sorry, Luke. Ouch.

Starting point is 01:12:10 Sorry. That's my favorite big red dragon right there. Oh, there we go. So when we picked out the solar panels for our roof, I wanted solar panels because, like, that's cool. But we ended up going with these super fancy solar panels because i figured it would be a video and so if it's content that's like that's great because it's one more video idea i don't have to come up with which actually does have a cost i literally hire people whose job it is to come up with ideas so the solar panels we got they're here now and i'm super excited they're

Starting point is 01:12:41 super cool they're from this company called dual I think. And what they are is their combination solar panels to generate energy and water heaters. And then we're gonna pump that water into the pool. So we're actually gonna heat our pool with just by cooling our solar panels, which makes the solar panels more efficient and makes the pool cost less to heat. That's just awesome. That's just awesome.

Starting point is 01:13:05 That's just awesome. Yeah, that's sweet. And it's content. Yeah. And it's probably going to take forever to pay for itself because they were like more expensive or something. I actually don't know if we bought them or they were discounted or anything,

Starting point is 01:13:16 but theoretically they were more expensive and I was committed to them either way because I really wanted to make a video about it because it's super cool. Yeah. So was it more expensive than having as inefficient as this would be due to like the premium areas for having solar panels and etc. But would it be more expensive than having two separate sets like water heating solar panels? Well, the problem is that you've only got so much roof area, especially in Vancouver, to actually put solar panels on where they're going to get a decent amount of sunlight and they can do this whole like simulation thing there's there's a big amount of

Starting point is 01:13:48 value though is what i'm saying by having it do both in one area yeah and it might literally save money compared to buying two sets yes which would be stupid anyway and cooling the panels makes them like i forget what it is it's like every however degrees, it gets however percent more efficient. Like, it's actually really cool. Fiery servers. What are fiery servers? I didn't think you'd know either, so I just fired it up. Okay, cool. Got it.

Starting point is 01:14:19 Neat. Do we have any other topics lined up? Oh! We didn't even talk about... No about no no we didn't talk about the other thing holy crap i hope people notice this there's another launch today the tote bag people have noticed that by the way the tote bag is here ladies and gentlemen it's available in two different colors if you like the if you like the fiery the fiery, multicolored one, you can go with that. If you prefer the monochrome, you can go with that.

Starting point is 01:14:50 It's available in two different sizes, 35 by 42 centimeter and 42 by 42 centimeter. So you can see the two different sizes here next to each other. Super high quality, just like everything we do, because that's what we do. 100% polyester canvas really really nice printing super vibrant pictures are not juiced up at all you guys can see like here on wanshow this is this is what it looks like uh but yeah this was uh this was one of lloyd's little brainchild projects um he did the design for it and his, I think, I'm actually not sure who saw this one through the whole manufacturing process, but just lots of little, lots of little touches. Like we

Starting point is 01:15:33 made sure to use box stitches in addition to what they originally had, which was just these two, if I recall correctly. I was like, uh, no, I don't want the handles coming off so we need to make sure that we're serious business making sure they stay on i mean what's the point of a reusable bag that you have to throw away stupid jayden said canvas bethesda couldn't even afford that that's a fantastic reference jayden gotta love it it's an old it's an older meme, but it checks out. That's good. Oh, I guess we hadn't really finished our discussion on NFTs on YouTube. We just kind of talked about how NFTs were stupid.

Starting point is 01:16:15 But like, do you have any ideas of what they could possibly even be talking about? I mean, they could just copy what Twitter did and make it so that people can NFT their avatars. I wouldn't be surprised if they allow users if they make it like a youtube premium feature or something like that so people could have like maybe their user if you buy nft you probably got that money their user profile pictures like bigger or something like that i could totally see people paying for that kind of thing i think that make allowing creators to to sell nfts to

Starting point is 01:16:48 their audiences through the platform could absolutely be a thing that they would do um oh apparently they actually made a statement i didn't realize this i thought the dislikes dislike button still dead was just uh ploof being funny in the title. They apparently addressed it again. Dislikes are still dead despite hearing the valid complaints. They go on to cite the original reasons like dislike attacks on smaller creators. And that would know that was it. Uh,

Starting point is 01:17:15 we did not see a meaningful difference in viewership regardless of whether or not there was a public dislike count. And importantly, it reduced dislike attacks. Okay. Sure. Cool. Um, the discussion question is, like count and importantly it reduced dislike attacks okay sure cool um discussion question is so videos are still

Starting point is 01:17:29 getting the same amount of views but now you don't know if the information is good or bad how is this better ploof the horse is so dead the horse is so dead uh there's just there's nothing else to say about it anymore i don't think ooh there's a merch message talking about us talking

Starting point is 01:17:47 about youtube premium again to be clear we're not trying to shill youtube premium we just both have it and that is technically the alternative i have it lots of times yeah i own youtube premium on my personal account on my work account on the ltd account on the tech quickie account that was a terran specific request uh on the i believe i we own it on the tech quickie account that was a terran specific request uh on the i believe i we own it on the channel super fun account i have to buy youtube premium because the editors often go in and pull stuff out of our old videos even if it's not even if they're going to go back and get the original footage anyway they'll go easier to browse through youtube than it is going through an archive of really is footage so we actually

Starting point is 01:18:25 use YouTube in the course of our work a lot and it was requested many times to me that I buy premium for all of the work accounts so I did and if I haven't then I'm sorry we'll get premium added to that one if any of our editors are watching going no I still have to sit and watch ads whenever I'm working on mac address or whatever the case may be. So yeah, no, we're not shilling for it. We're just telling you that that's how it works. You either consume the ads or you pay for premium. Or you privateer it.

Starting point is 01:18:58 Privateer it? Okay. I'm a flanker. Says, people in tech that dislike NFTs is because of the terrible implementation and most could be done without the massive energy use and massively distributed ledger yeah i mean that's yeah that's fair enough i mean there's also just the laughable stuff like if the uh if the host of that particular nft minting service goes away doesn't isn't the link just dead and then it just depends where the link goes to yeah sometimes it's not the the the site that sold it sometimes the link is elsewhere but yeah yeah hilarious hilarious ganja gremlin i literally said it's easier to browse we're gonna still grab the original footage come on come on linus you can add multiple users

Starting point is 01:19:41 to a premium account uh yes i don't remember i don't remember what the issues were with having all those accounts be a family i think there was a reason i don't know it's honestly outside of my pay grade to go investigate the difference in of 11 dollars between one implementation versus another i just i'm I'm sure somebody could look into that. Yeah, cool. People are asking how many flannels are left. I mean, yeah, we've moved a lot of them, but I think we ordered a lot.

Starting point is 01:20:17 So it's probably fine. Oh, oh shoot. I should probably mention, we did not do much in the way of a public announcement. But anyone who signed up for a WAN hoodie restock notification, we got it. We sent the notifications. We moved through over a quarter of our restock already. So I'm letting WAN show know next.

Starting point is 01:20:38 And then if we have enough left, then we'll do an in-video call out or something for it. But we're kind of trying to we're kind of trying to go easy on that so we didn't even put it back on the home page and stuff because because we wanted to give you guys a crack at it i tried to privateer the undies but oh oh you pushed it okay it wasn't a like a question or anything um we'll show on Okay. How about we go ahead and we demand an alpaca wool moose plushie. I don't think that's coming anytime soon. Rip hyperscape. Really?

Starting point is 01:21:16 So, did you know what this was? I had never even heard of hyperscape. Yeah. So, I feel like I'm pretty tuned in to, you know, the gaming scene and stuff. Yeah. Never once in my life have I ever heard of hyperscape yeah so i feel like i'm pretty tuned in to you know the gaming scene and stuff yeah never once in my life have i ever heard of hyperscape maybe that's part of the problem yeah so it's a free-to-play battle royale from ubisoft and it's shutting down on april 28th after less than two years of production apparently it had a strong start never heard of it not so sure if i agree with that am i an idiot like am i just i don't know i've literally never heard of it not so sure if i agree with that am i an idiot like am i just i don't

Starting point is 01:21:45 know i've literally never heard of this they announced another battle royale ghost recon front line that is now delayed indefinitely now they announced that in 2021 good you've you've beaten damaged the ghost recon name too much already maybe the battle royale craze is over now that we have fortnite pubg apex and war. Feels kind of similar to the MOBA craze. Yeah, that's actually pretty spot on, Ploof. It does. Remember when there was a new MOBA every freaking month? Conrad in floatplane chat is just like, Hyperscape? Question mark.

Starting point is 01:22:16 What? Tons of people in floatplane chat are going like, I've never heard of this. Hyper what? Question mark. No one knows what this game is. Twitch chat knows. They're like, yeah, there were a ton of sponsored streams and stuff it was part of the twitch drop beta craze okay so outside there's a bunch of sponsored streams and then it was so they didn't market it outside it's almost like sponsored sponsoring streamers who stop playing

Starting point is 01:22:39 your game immediately after they're not getting sponsored by it is actually just a zero impact marketing activity conrad said it lost apparently something like 90 of its player base in a week wow yikes that's crazy general 97 i think i played it once and immediately forgot only just remembered now maybe that's why maybe we have heard of it and its name is just so generic and it was just so unimpactful that we just immediately forgot man oh man so there was the mmo craze then there was the moba craze then the battle royale i wonder what the next big craze is gonna be i don't think there's anything kind of like rolling right now i kind of thought that

Starting point is 01:23:23 you know after among us and then um oh man what was that social games that was a thing for a little bit because there was um among us popped off then there was that like winter one that i don't remember the name of um but what what was that uh what's that like game show game show one that was super fun oh that's kind of still pretty good jackbox no no no no the uh the one where you have to go through the challenges and at each stage a bunch of people get eliminated i actually played it a bunch why can't i remember the name oh fall guys yeah fall guys fall guys i kind of thought after that went like mega viral that we were gonna see a bunch of copycats on of that

Starting point is 01:24:00 format but it kind of didn't materialize but I guess it also hasn't really been long enough. The game development takes a long freaking time. It was kind of a battle royale. Copying a game that is already out, bad play. Yeah. Bad play. You got to have better espionage than that. Uh,

Starting point is 01:24:17 Tarkov extraction type modes. Yeah, that's fair. I don't think that's going to be like a huge thing though. Tarkov has been in development since, I think it's 2016. And this whole time, it's been this really poorly made but really cool game. And no one has copied it. And it's been very confusing to me.

Starting point is 01:24:38 I don't know. I have said before that if a big AAA developer tried to copy Tarkov, they would fail. They would horribly fail because they would try to attach some gross microtransaction crap on top of it and it just would not work in that type of game at all so like it's just it's not gonna i think that's one of the reasons why no one's copying it is they're looking at it seeing that and then just going nope we'll just leave it to psg and they'll just do what they do with it yep okay yeah i uh man it was funny going to shows like packs like during those eras do you remember what was it called wild star that mmo that was just like

Starting point is 01:25:16 dude the most ball was massive booth for so many years how long did that game even stay online i don't think it was very long. Two years? Three? I remember exactly where, too. I could walk there if the convention was open right now. They had in the exact same spot for so many years. Just the announcement, they had this massive, amazing booth. Then they had the alpha, then they had the beta. Just year after year after year, this massive, incredible booth.

Starting point is 01:25:42 So much marketing money behind it, and then it just died. Because you mentioned the MMO craze. came at kind of a little bit past the end. Yep. So just no one really cared anymore. They weren't into it. And then like the next year, it was just every booth was a MOBA. Yeah. Just every booth. Yeah. So here it is, uh, released 2014, mid 2014 with a subscription free to play only a year later that's just over a year later um and then blah blah blah on september of 2018 three years later they announced the immediate closure of carbine studios and that wildstar would begin the process of winding down and they wound down two months later two and a half months later ouch the death of mmo servers

Starting point is 01:26:26 is a really interesting thing to to witness yeah everyone that i've been a part of i've tried to make local recordings of it so that i could like because that's one of the things we've talked about on wancho before and there's some videos on it online you can't preserve mmos no you can't do it you can't even if you spin up another version of it you're not going to capture the same culture you're not going to capture the same the same type of player base nope like the the way that people played games in the past is actually different than the way that people approach playing games now there's there was i brought this up the other day there used to be this thing where like if you're playing an rpg mmo or not it doesn't matter um there used to be a thing where people would generally just wear the armor or

Starting point is 01:27:09 weapons or whatever that looked the coolest it's not a thing anymore everyone wants to min max stuff they don't care as much about aesthetics they want to they want to be the best it's it's it's a very different way it was oh yeah heck yeah there's a there's a very different way. That no one ever was. Oh, yeah. Heck, yeah. There's a very different way of approaching games these days. So you can't just spin up an old MMO and imagine it's going to be the same. So it's, yeah, it's really interesting. Even just the way that we interact online is so different. Oh, yeah. It used to be that you had to have a crew.

Starting point is 01:27:42 You had to have kind of like a tech savvy anchor to your crew because someone had to set up the vent or mumble server and like maintain it. Whereas nowadays, everybody just kind of like jumps in Discord. So it's a different dynamic. And it's a lot of communities used to have their own forums. Yeah. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 01:27:59 Yeah, I remember that. So you had to have like someone who could do basic web admin stuff. Like it was really interesting. And just none of those things, you can't emulate that stuff anymore. I remember this is pretty off topic, but I remember back in the day, I used to run to, I figured out that you could change something in the, in the like commands that were run when the program was opened wow i haven't done this in forever um to make it so that you could actually open a second version of vent

Starting point is 01:28:31 ventrilo because if you didn't do that and you you opened it again it would just uh it would just pull forward the currently running application so i'd run two different versions of vent and i'd have different hotkeys for both so i could like trash talk people that were there with my buddies while we were all like playing together that was uh we were jerks but uh i don't know it's just everything's just so different now um people are gonna twitch stream whatever you do there will if you're in a big group of people playing someone's probably streaming it that's a very different experience like it's i don't know it's very weird obvious lobster says it's okay we enjoyed it while existed that's what's important but the thing is that nobody else will ever get to enjoy it it's kind of it's kind of lost yeah uh matthias says v MMOs are the future. Embrace it. I don't know if I could spend MMO amounts of time in VR.

Starting point is 01:29:29 I think that'd be pretty tough for me. That'll be an interesting thing to see transition over time. I think they would need something like, this is like way future, but they would need something like, like Neuralink style to make that a thing, think yeah that's that's pretty tough that's pretty tough yeah um all right is it merch messages time it might be merch messages time might be a few of them anthony threw in a topic about how nvidia launched the rtx 3050 and it's obviously already sold out it's gone so

Starting point is 01:30:06 what are we gonna do this week we're just gonna have to buy that crappy amd card the 6500 xt yep yeah so hey at least that's let's actually i don't even know if that's in stock it's actually like i wonder if it was like big brain move from amd to actually just make it intentionally suck or if it just sucks because they suck it's really hard to tell with them sometimes like i to be clear i love amd but like yeah you guys are just sort of dumb sometimes yeah um yeah even even 6500 xts are not in stock on new egg under 270 us dollars that's that's the cheapest and only as rock and power color are in stock which are like as rock i can't speak for because as rock wasn't making gpus back when i was in product management but power color was like basement tier in terms of what AMD card buyers wanted.

Starting point is 01:31:05 When we brought in like a bunch of PowerColor cards, they better be cheap because AMD buyers wanted XFX, you know, like your tier one motherboard brands like MSI Gigabyte, Asus, Sapphire people like for some reason. I had a really bad customer experience, customer service experience with Sapphire back in like the early 2000s so i basically swore off them for life but some people swear by them i don't get it they must have just like better service in other regions or something like that because maybe mine was awful as far as my understanding goes they are more popular elsewhere yeah yeah it must be just one of those that might actually be a thing yeah but yeah power color is like like basement uh i don't i don't know if that's changed, to be clear. I'm not talking smack about Power Color now.

Starting point is 01:31:48 I know they've got some really cool cards that they've done over the years, like that Devil series that they've done and stuff like that. Also, this one happens to be an ITX card, which appears to be the only one out of what's available right now, which at least gives that GPU a reason to exist if you're putting it in a super compact build.

Starting point is 01:32:06 GG Unholy says, Linus, PowerColor makes the best AMD cards you can buy now. Okay, well, there you go. Shows you what I know. DemonFox69 says, Sapphire gets gold AMD chips for sure. Yeah, I'm not convinced. That's always been like the rumor. I have no idea who started it.

Starting point is 01:32:20 I have no idea who keeps perpetuating it, but I sincerely doubt it. Someone sent in a merch message uh that didn't have a question but they said please send me an email when the backpack gets released um i don't know so we might set up pre-launch pages at some point talked to nick about that yesterday actually and uh what we discussed was um that I still do not want to take prepayment. I have a serious discomfort with taking your money before I have a product that I can imminently ship you. And there are cases where we take the money before we're ready to ship, like with the CPU hoodie, which,

Starting point is 01:33:03 by the way, I believe this is pretty much going to be your last chance to get your hands on the first run of that. Let me just see if I can find it. It might actually be pulled already. Oh no, here it is. Yeah. So you can still order the first production run of these. Should ship by February 11th. Super cool hoodie. This is the first, but we already have the blanks. We have the blanks. Our shop is local. That's going to print them up for us. So it's, it's all good. We've done the test prints and everything already, but in terms of items that have not yet arrived in our warehouse, I really don't like taking money for them because what if they don't what if the ship sinks you know

Starting point is 01:33:45 and it's another four six months before i can get them am i am i going to pay you interest on that like i just i i don't like it i think it's a bad time yeah but for stuff like the backpack stuff like the screwdriver where we're where these are long-term projects we've put a lot of resources into they they will not flop. They will come. I feel like just having somewhere to point you guys where you can register your interest would really help us with product planning as well. With, you know, hey, do we actually need to order more backpacks? Like, should I be taking out a loan to order more backpacks, for example? Stuff like that.

Starting point is 01:34:27 So, yes, I think it is our intention to do that, but I'm not sure exactly when, if that makes sense. Okay, I think it's time for us to do some merch messages now. We got to do this. Do you want to sort through the incomings while I start making my way through some of the curated ones? You guys actually sent too many this week. I've literally been trying to do that the whole show. Yeah, we cannot do them all, but I'm going to do my best to go through some some cool ones we're at well over 200 justin w says when labs is up and

Starting point is 01:34:50 running would you consider testing the mouse pad again improved device to improve testing device different mice wear and tear etc yeah absolutely so mouse pads is something that i think we can contribute scientific testing to that is not done outside of the manufacturer space and i don't think it's a secret we're working on some kind of mouse concept for ourselves so it's all stuff that we would have to figure out how to do anyway so if we're going to do it we might as well use it to evaluate other products first time buyer looking forward to it my mom gets noise complaints when movies have loud parts i want to get her an audio compressor or limited but all i can find is expensive audiophile stuff cheap recommendations yeah that's that's an interesting one other than

Starting point is 01:35:31 turning down your subwoofer i don't really know what to tell you like i know that i know that some receivers for example have like a nighttime mode where they will intentionally yeah yeah they'll intentionally um flatten it out a little bit but in terms of like an add-on device for that i'm i'm honestly not really i have never researched that never even occurred to me it's an interesting idea yeah i just was in the same boat so i don't know um good evening guys i'm going car shopping tomorrow wanted to see if you thought that the current plug-in hybrids were worth taking a look at are you still happy with the volt or do you have a wandering eye i love that i love that phrasing do you have a wandering eye

Starting point is 01:36:14 you know the meme right so swap oh yeah holding hands and yeah yeah um honestly I think the Volt was one of my most practical purchases ever. I burn about a tank of gas every three months, two to three months, which is kind of incredible given that it's like a 30 liter tank. I pay practically nothing for gas. And what I like about the plug-in hybrid concept is that compared to an all-electric vehicle, the amount of lithium required to manufacture it is fractional. So it's kind of the best of both worlds. That's a really nice having the fallback.

Starting point is 01:36:57 But as we acknowledged in my review of it, it also comes with additional complexity, right? Two drive trains. Two, you've got a full electric, well, it's only sort of. review of it it also comes with additional complexity right two drive trains two two you've got a full electric well it's only sort of so technically the volt is an ev with a gasoline generator attached to it okay right yeah but well there are ones that are the other way and mechanically but but the point is that mechanically it is more complex than all of one or all of the other. There's trucks and actually a lot of other applications right now that are looking into,

Starting point is 01:37:33 there's a specific name for it, and someone in the chat is going to get upset because I'm going to say it wrong. But it's some type of extremely highly efficient diesel generator powered electric vehicle setup that is supposed to just be like amazing the bees knees yeah but i i don't i don't know enough about it but it's it's interesting so i've been super happy with it i've gotten in my mind all of the benefits of an electric vehicle i get to drive in the hov lane by myself i never change my brake pads because i just use regenerative braking yeah all the time i hardly pay for fuel um i have but i get all the benefits of ice i have no range anxiety i didn't pay the the cost of a full ev especially because i didn't buy it brand new um i get that i get that um that pep off the line but it's not a powerful vehicle it's not a performance vehicle

Starting point is 01:38:25 so like sure that's compared to my old civic right but yeah I'm really happy with it but the thing is you can't buy them brand new so my other candidate was the clarity and honestly my in-laws are super happy with the model y which is just like a giant model 3 I think it's kind of hard to go wrong with full electric or with a plug-in hybrid but what i would say about a plug-in hybrid is make sure you find one that has enough range so really think about how you're using it where do you live where do you come from where do you go where do you sorry uh i is that do people still know that song i don't think so okay i was wondering about that the other day because i i made a cotton eye joe joke and i i got a extremely flat response and i was

Starting point is 01:39:11 like okay oh maybe this isn't sung at every school dance ever anymore yeah yeah i don't know i just did the shirts right like yeah yeah yeah anyway i i i really yeah make sure you consider where you're going uh and and how where you're going to be able to charge right i do want to upgrade i've talked to luke he thinks i'm an idiot um well you just i just am not luke thinks the optics are bad and that I'm an idiot. Okay. Is that fair? It's an overly simplified version of what I'm saying, but essentially...

Starting point is 01:39:55 But have we distilled it down to the essence? Essentially, yeah. I just... Okay, how much was it? I mean, there's a range, boys. Okay. it I mean there's a range boys okay the man the most reason what I've heard of I strongly agree with everything you just said I'll put it that way my volt is a

Starting point is 01:40:17 20 I don't think like you have to go as practical as you did with the vault okay fine fine okay you know what let's just lay it out let's lay it all out on the I don't think you have to go as practical as you did with the vault. Okay. Fine, fine. Okay. You know what? Let's just lay it all out on the table. I want to buy a Taycan.

Starting point is 01:40:32 I want to park it in my fancy new garage. Oh, that wasn't even the one I'm talking about. Oh, which one were you talking about? The Taycan's like pretty rough, but like... Oh, you mean the... Whatever. I don't know its name. Oh, crap. What's that stupid thing called?

Starting point is 01:40:44 I actually went as far as emailing a dealer and finding out too far um hold on what's it called a nevero remack nevera remack nevera yeah that's too that no that's ridiculous um yeah so how much how much is this thing? Taycan starts at around 100K Canadian and goes as high as like 300 if you're really ridiculous. Yeah, that's nuts, but sure. How much is a Navara? 1 point something million euro. Yeah, K. 2 point something million euro.

Starting point is 01:41:16 Yeah, sure. Neat. Yeah, that's cool. Hold on. Let me check. Let me check. Come on. Let me check.

Starting point is 01:41:21 Let me check. Ugh, that makes me want to puke. Navara. Hold on. Let me find out how much it is uh i definitely still want to go for a ride if you got one but i would uh two million euro yeah that's uh okay so yeah that's that that's not happening so So yeah, okay, so fine, fine. Where's the middle ground? What may I have without you judging me? I don't know. And I feel like whatever I come up with is gonna be vague and not based on enough stuff,

Starting point is 01:41:54 to be fair. But I'm just spending over a hundred grand on a car seems nuts to me. So Jake had a pretty good take on this. He kind of goes, well, you know what the smart play is, whether you lease it through the business or not, because I think I could make a pretty solid argument that as long as I post enough pictures on Instagram or it's included in the videos enough that it's. Which you'll probably make a review of it or whatever.

Starting point is 01:42:21 Yeah, sure. So fine. It's it's for the business. Right. And that will help it a lot. He goes, whether it's through the business or not yeah sure so fine it's it it's for the business right and that will help it a lot he goes whether it's through the business or not you should lease it because some of the battery technology that is coming around the corner here yeah is going to make our current battery tech look absolutely that's legitimately a big part of my argument too cars are becoming

Starting point is 01:42:41 like computers yeah where we i am expecting like honestly tesla is because of the shortages and because of the scarcity in general like early tesla is actually on like facebook marketplace craigslist and stuff they hold their value retaining value shockingly well that will change we are going to see some real leaps forward in the technology that are going to make the older EV stuff look like kind of dumb. Like you can think of it kind of like... Spending like 300 grand on that to look kind of dumb in X, which is a not large number amount of years.

Starting point is 01:43:15 Yeah. It's just, I don't know. I'm not into it. So the new Taycan has Android Auto, which was a big part of the reason that I ultimately was like, forget it with the old one, because their in-car entertainment system was so bad and android auto was not included that i just felt i was just offended i was offended yeah that knock 23 says cyber trucker go home uh well i guess

Starting point is 01:43:40 i'm gonna go home because i'm so far not convinced the cyber truck will ever launch. So we'll see. That was a rough one before there was a chip shortage. Apparently the Taycan has battery issues. Like what? I actually, I actually do not, I do not know about that.

Starting point is 01:44:00 So I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to figure that out. So when the chat said, I think I'll use my 2011 Toyota RAV4 with 120,000 miles on it until it literally can't move anymore I'm kind of feeling that way about my car but I'm honestly only feeling that way just because I like it I know for a fact that I like my car that something cool would be kind of fun for you yeah yeah I think you should get something cool I betake would be happy to help you find something cool he has i know jake has forbidden me to spec out a taikan without consulting him first i yeah i i don't think i i don't think i think it would be mean if i bought a car without talking

Starting point is 01:44:38 to jake yeah i think it would actually just be mean if i didn't consult both him and alex i think i'd be getting the like stink eye when i came into the office yeah i tweet like i did it they'd be like like really dude really there's definitely cars that would be fun to own i i don't think uh i would necessarily go for it at least not now but yeah i think a big part of that again is that i just genuinely really like my car and for some reason the fit a lot of other cars just feel kind of odd and i remember the the first time i sat in my car i was like yeah this feels great yeah your car is also probably fast enough for you.

Starting point is 01:45:28 I've been in Luke's car when he drives it. He doesn't need anything faster. Are you talking about when we had to catch the ferry? Hey, we got there. And we lived lived which is good yeah brandon t says any plans for a panel uh plaid flannel in a wider color gamut uh it is possible we're gonna see how this one goes love the wan show what are your thoughts on pc power consumption is it something you think about when building your home server do you power down your computer when you're not using it or let it go to sleep i remote into my computer far too often for that to be convenient and remote wake is just not reliable enough for me i would

Starting point is 01:46:13 like to be able to power it down or sleep it rather i would never power it down sleep is good enough for me but that's kind of my take on that i exactly identical and the exact same reasons if remote wake worked better i would sleep my computer all the time. But I don't because it just isn't better. Sleep just has so many problems and has always had so many problems. Hey, Linus, it's been claimed that you have ADHD. If this is true or even if it's not, what has worked for you to be successful while doing something you love? Honestly, I don't know if I even want to finish college.

Starting point is 01:46:49 So I'm getting into real dangerous territory i ain't a i ain't a certified life coach and i'm not sure anybody is is there a certification for that if there is it's probably a scam yeah i have been diagnosed with adhd when i was a kid i don't know if the hyperactivity is still applicable i've i'm definitely older don't move around as much as i used to um but i i i definitely do i mean i'm sure anyone who's ever worked with me for a prolonged period of time can attest to the fact that i will just drift off in the middle of a conversation and be thinking about completely something else it's not something that i do to be disrespectful it's just something that is um for or for worse. Also not the only one here that does that. What you get. Um, and what worked for me, but it is not advice to be successful while doing

Starting point is 01:47:36 something I love is doing something I love. That was the only way that I was able to be successful. I flunked out of school. I did not. I didn't make it. And I'm not going to say that it was anyone's fault other than my own. I just didn't have the stuff to complete my science program. And when I switched over to an arts program, I just didn't feel like that piece of paper was going to end up being worth anything. And I ultimately made the decision to withdraw, but only because I didn't, I, oh, sorry, I started taking more arts courses with the intention of switching to an arts program, but I never did. So I was just in the

Starting point is 01:48:14 science faculty taking arts courses and either I was going to have to transfer, which was going to be a problem with how bad my science grades were, or they were going to kick me out of the university outright, or I would leave. So those were really my three options. So you can't fire me, I quit. So I left, but essentially I flunked out. And I have managed to do something that I love by just doing something that I love.

Starting point is 01:48:44 That's where we're at on that have you made a final decision on what type of television you're getting at the new place yeah we're gonna go projector we're gonna go projector until micro led becomes a thing although that new oled with it's like 90 something inches or something like that from lg and samsung's new stuff but they're not really big they're new quantum dot oled james said they're just fire yeah it's like incredible that's actually pretty exciting yeah so i think i'm gonna go with something really nice but not insane seeing how fast display technology is moving right now do you think we'll see a transition away from x86 on the desktop in the coming years i don't see it happening anytime soon i just don't um not on the desktop

Starting point is 01:49:25 uh happy birthday i'm probably b-e-n-o-i-t how would you pronounce that b-e-n-o-i-t benoit benoit okay i thought so i wasn't sure happy birthday benoit hi from new zealand boys been watching since whole room water cooling i'm planning an unraid build for my plex storage do i buy more smaller capacity drives like six eight terabytes for cheaper or fewer of the larger drives and spend more personally okay so unraid gives you a lot of flexibility uh you're ignoring the option of getting one larger capacity drive and a bunch of smaller ones and then adding higher capacity ones later as they get cheaper as long as they don't exceed the capacity of your parity drive. So that's an option. It basically comes down to balancing the cost per bay of your server and the cost per drive.

Starting point is 01:50:20 Don't forget to factor that in. So I can't do the math for you. You're going to have to go through, you're going to have to look at the chassis you want, how much it costs per bay in the front, and calculate what it costs per populated bay, not just looking at raw drive prices, if that makes sense. Speaking of YouTube Vance, what's your guys' take on the SponsorBlock extension, which is available in Vance and as a browser extension?

Starting point is 01:50:42 So I have intentionally never talked about the SponsorBlock extension because SponsorBlock is, in my opinion, taking something that I feel like we do a reasonably good job of. Like you can skip our sponsor spots with four taps on your phone or with like two arrow keys. I think it's not a lot to ask for you guys to at least give us a chance to tell you about something interesting. Sponsor block, in my opinion, is not something that I would condone the use of. I don't use it. There. I don't use it. I have made the personal decision to not use it. I'm not going to tell you guys what to do. Any plans for having guests or different hosts on the WAN show? Honestly, I've really enjoyed it just being like mine and luke's hangout opportunity yeah yeah we used to do that but um it actually took quite a bit of work yeah to be honest it really did

Starting point is 01:51:37 coordinating with creators is hard and it's it's not like their fault but it's just hard people have really varied schedules you got to get content out especially if you have a content schedule which a lot of i would say most uh big creators probably do uh you got to get that content out for that schedule that's what matters most um not like joining some random dudes wearing flannels uh internet talk show yeah people are busy any thoughts on the new fan testing setup at gamers nexus looks absolutely sweet i have wanted one of those things for like 10 years ever since i saw it at corsair i was like omg one day i'd love to get one myself and

Starting point is 01:52:15 then it would be super cool if we could sort of corroborate each other's results and uh but otherwise i think uh over there they do they just do amazing work over at Gamers Nexus tons of respect for them so that's it's relatively low on our priority list compared to things that they are not covering in as much depth it is something that we will add at some point just because we want to be able to test everything in-house but it'll it'll come later any plans for more home smart home home content? Yes. There's actually a, we managed to catch the house

Starting point is 01:52:49 the day before they started boarding everything up. So with all the walls exposed, but everything installed. So I was able to walk through the plan. Yeah, that's sweet. And my ulterior motive for shooting that video was that if I ever need to find something behind the wall later,

Starting point is 01:53:04 I'll be able to go watch that video and remember where that was buried. That's cool. What monitor would you recommend for a 3080 Ti that wouldn't break the bank? Looking for 1440p with HDR, but there's way too many options. I've been running $150 1080p for a while. It's honestly painful. So one thing I'll say is that if you're after HDR, don't settle for anything less than VESA HDR 1000 because you're not really getting an HDR experience if you go like VESA HDR 400. It's not. It's not HDR. And you might not want to hear that, but that's just the truth because the dynamic range, right, is not high. So it's the fact that they call it, we call it HDR-int. James coined it.

Starting point is 01:53:52 Can't take credit for that. That's pretty good. HDR-int is what we'll call really anything based on HDR 400, 600. I would say 600 is better than nothing. Based HDR 400 is basically like, yeah, it's inputting an HDR signal, but the only benefit you're getting out of it

Starting point is 01:54:08 is if the game or the piece of content was mastered better in the HDR version, it might look better. But that comes down to mastery, not the capabilities of the display. So that's what I have to say about that. That's the main thing you're going to want to watch out for. Because other than that,

Starting point is 01:54:24 it sounds like you've kind of nailed down what you want. There's a question here asking if you're ever going to react to the Ethan and Dennis sneaking around your house video, apparently on a previous Wancho. Oh, yeah. I think we kind of,

Starting point is 01:54:35 I think we just kind of all forgot about it and moved on. So are you messaging them now or should I follow up? No, no, that's yeah, we'll probably do it as like a float plane exclusive or something like that okay uh but i live in ohio where intel is committed to investing in a large

Starting point is 01:54:50 facility adding 3 000 jobs i have experience in auto manufacturing and wondering if you would know what kind of creds they look for for fab jobs i have no idea i'm so sorry but no i have no idea when do you think you could tease any of the people that will be working in the lab when we have employment letters signed and we don't yet but we have one going we i i think we are going to reach an agreement on the big one that i that i'm after yeah there's a there's a big fish that i've been trying to reel in and uh i think it's going to be a go um all right plan for the win yeah indeed hey linus and luke love the show it's my go-to for the drive to work first time catching it live what mics are you using i don't remember what these are re20s from electro voice yep i believe they provided them

Starting point is 01:55:37 so if they did thanks electro voice and if they didn't then hey still a good product yeah i was gonna say you made it made a good mic oh no tyler o asks what do you think of the whole neil young joe rogan spotify debacle i didn't curate that one oh did i apparently uh i think that i know nothing about it. I think that Neil Young wants his music pulled from Spotify over what he perceived to be Joe Rogan's vaccine misinformation. Nice. Next one. Yeah, I just don't want to touch it. Started my job as IT in the school department, so I need a lanyard for my ID.

Starting point is 01:56:23 Question. What Thunderbolt hub do you use for your personal rig at home? I'm using the Razer one, but don't consider this an endorsement. I hate that the input is at the front. It really drives me crazy. For desktop use, it sucks. For a laptop, it would be great where I'm constantly plugging and unplugging, except, wait, I would just have the cable plugged in constantly and I would plug it into my laptop. Why did they put the input at the front i don't know that's i'm sorry i'm sorry that wasn't more helpful can you guys um make a breakaway lanyard i work in an environment where it's required uh yeah we probably should um okay do you want to do a couple while i send a note please uh i gotta scroll down to there but yes i

Starting point is 01:57:03 can so you're still going through the incoming. So you would think I'm an idiot if I bought an Avera? Yeah. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. I mean, okay.

Starting point is 01:57:13 No, no, that's fair. I said it's fair. I said it's fair. There's always the argument of how much can you recoup from making videos around it. Yes. I made the same argument with the TV.

Starting point is 01:57:23 Yeah, not that much. The TV I could have milked. I made the same argument with the TV not that much the tv i could have milked i made the same argument the tv i could if there was a way and i don't know but if there was a way to i wouldn't have been able to make it if you're gonna like start a car channel and you want like a hero thing to start the channel to race every car against sure yeah so if there's some type of argument i think it could be figured out if you're just like i want a really expensive car and you're just gonna buy a nevera like yeah i'm gonna think that's stupid i don't know yeah it's honestly just way better use of the money is buying

Starting point is 01:57:56 backpacks and screwdrivers and you could you could just like find some way to go drive one for like a weekend or something. Yes, I could. And it's going to lose its novelty and you're probably not going to want to daily drive it. It's only two seats. And like all this. Yeah. So like it's just not it's so I don't know. My thing is if you if you're going to spend.

Starting point is 01:58:22 Unless you're so into cars that you're like a collector yeah buying a car like that like you're not gonna daily drive i bet it would appreciate they're only doing 150 a lot of supercars do a lot of them so that but that's the other thing if that's your like reason okay sure but that's not it no it's not i just i honestly i was just like wow look cool yeah i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not and honestly i've even been talking about the taikan for like two years like you remember this right yeah i know i managed to test drive it like like at a dealership other than the video so i test drove one before we did the video and i got as far as looking at all the different options and i got overwhelmed and i left because it was just like some of them were just offensive like it was like hundreds of dollars for a little clock on the dash and i was like what

Starting point is 01:59:16 a lot of a lot of car options are kind of like i just i don't know it's one of those things where it's like in theory i'm like, I want to be like a cool guy and drive a cool car. But then I actually get there and I'm like, I'm sorry, how much for a little light that shines your logo onto the pavement? That's your logo, not mine. Oh my goodness.

Starting point is 01:59:39 It's wonderful. Plinkchut said, Luke is such a utilitarian. Sometimes, yeah. I just, it's so much money people are trying to come up with uh rules for me how about you spend three times the money you can pull in over a wan show and buy whatever the best car is at that price do i get to count merch messages oh man right when they said that i was like oh no you guys have seen how many of those are coming through right like they're right there y'all

Starting point is 02:00:09 oh man i mean we don't always have like a hot launch like today right yeah i just have to time it if i pick the right three like we launch the screwdriver you tie you you somehow convince nick to make it, like we launched the screwdriver. You somehow convinced Nick to make it so that you launched the screwdriver and the backpack on the same day. Like back to back. Yeah. Give me one, Wancho.

Starting point is 02:00:34 Cause man, those are going to, they're going to kill. We're going big. I have to believe that they're going to kill. Because if I don't believe it, I'm actually in serious trouble. You know that, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:00:44 Okay, cool. Like, I cannot afford that car. When I was talking to you about that was before we had placed the order for either of those things. Yeah. It would have been just like, and it would have been dumb. It would have been like, bye-bye, bye-bye business cash reserves. Like, it would have actually been completely stupid. So it's fair.

Starting point is 02:01:01 It's fun to think about stuff sometimes. Sure it is. It's fun to dream. Yeah. But that was never going happen yeah um all right i'm planning to do my first build soon i got myself a 3060 do you have any great first time advice watch a build tutorial and follow along don't be in a hurry have fun there do you think banks with physical stores will survive that one uh i wasn't entirely sure what they meant i think they were saying like banks with physical like storefronts like physical locations yeah absolutely so much banking still has to be done and i was i was gonna say the same

Starting point is 02:01:37 thing a lot of a lot of conversation style stuff still needs to happen in a bank i wouldn't be too surprised if they kind of got rid of rid of the like bank teller type of position um and banks are more like you come into like negotiate mortgages and business customers will still demand it the the tellers yeah you still need it there's a lot of things because like you're dealing with foreign currencies and stuff like that it's just like we deal with so many different currencies, just be from out of region, Amazon affiliates and stuff like that. Like it's just, you have to.

Starting point is 02:02:08 Interesting. Okay. Here we go. Hold on a second. There was a question. What size are you guys wearing? I'm wearing a medium and Luke is wearing an XL. Yep.

Starting point is 02:02:20 Flannels are awesome, but I already have too many. Do you guys think there might be any issues with the upcoming Intel GPUs and amd chips and chipsets no i sincerely doubt that i don't think so either been watching since 2014 says damien anyway what makes the underwear so fancy model fabric and such oh you bought a pack well you'll know soon enough let me just put it this way your balls they'll thank you nicholas k i love the channel but i only use my laptop for coding and youtube looking for a new ultra wide monitor are there any features i should make sure are missing to make sure i'm not paying

Starting point is 02:02:55 for something i won't use okay so i actually like high refresh rate displays for everything yeah i want my whole life to be 120 hertz, never mind gaming. You can feel it on the desktop. You can absolutely feel it on the desktop. I would say that you shouldn't bother with a refresh rate above 120, but you should still care. I mean, really anything that makes a monitor good for gaming makes it good for anything else.

Starting point is 02:03:21 Like high contrast is great for gaming. It's great for text. High refresh rate is great for gaming it's great for text um high refresh rate is great for gaming it's great for just feeling responsive and like in the zone when you're working like it's um something to consider for anyone that's going like well no is that some of the side effects of creating things that are great for gaming is not what he's talking about he's just talking about the thing that's great for gaming yes went. Went today to get about $2,000 in quarters in exchange for cash.

Starting point is 02:03:47 Sorry, there's just some weird stuff being talked about in floatplane chat. Okay. Where did the LTX 2019 lanyard with the metal clip come from? I love mine and want a backup for when I inevitably stab it with an X-Acto knife. Also, I couldn't find merch messages on mobile.

Starting point is 02:04:03 Is that a thing? Have we looked into that? I'm pretty sure it is a thing but he might be logged in meaning it's doing the shop pay thing interesting okay i'm sure conrad will have some form of feedback for that okay uh knock 23 please let me have a paycheck between screwdriver and backpack uh-huh can't promise anything but probably yes i don't think they're gonna land at the same time. I have no idea where that lanyard with the metal clip came from. I don't think we have any plans to bring it back. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 02:04:34 Add to laptop and phone reviews, minimum screen brightness. Absolutely. That's a big thing for me too. It's one of the things that bothers me about the Aya Neo, that the minimum screen brightness is so much higher than I'm comfortable with at night. Yeah, that's absolutely something we want to talk about. I'm not really sure what this means, Rajiv.

Starting point is 02:04:51 It says, I think Linus mentioned that Labs is going to be testing data from around the office. Will that be posted and updated as new cables come in with new products? What? Okay. as new cables come in with new products. What? Okay. Yeah, so basically just that the lab will have kind of this database of test data.

Starting point is 02:05:11 Yes. Yes, it will. And yes, we will try to keep it updated. And that's something Luke's team will be working on. Yeah. Any phone recommendations? Not ready for a fold yet. Man, it's tough right now, isn't it?

Starting point is 02:05:22 Honestly, the easiest thing is just be like, go buy an iPhone. Yeah, which is... oneplus sucks now the the issues that yvonne and my son have had with their oneplus phones have been really frustrating my son's phone has been broken on telus and it's like a known issue caused by oneplus for like six months and the workaround is super hacky and stupid and i had to do it and it was like this is ridiculous um they're just not the same company that they were before samsung is always fine um pixels are just kind of hit or miss it feels like you get a good one you'll be happy you don't get a good one then

Starting point is 02:05:57 you're gonna be kind of mad um like you've had terrible luck with pixels horrible luck i know people that have had better luck but yeah i've i've had i've had really really bad luck my original pixels were fantastic my like actual og pixel was really good pixel 2 was really good lasted for a long time and i've had i've had problems ever since not unheard of ones either like ones i've looked up online and they are very common yeah i don't know what to tell you guys some recommendations for the s20 and s21 series fair enough like sony phone still amazing no one talks about them says wizardmon yeah that's fair enough there are there's an there's one crucial flaw that makes it so i can't use sony phones though their their launcher doesn't allow you to switch the multitask and the back button.

Starting point is 02:06:48 I'm a Samsung back button position guy. Just add the option, Sony. This is one of those just arrogance things. It's like an Apple moves. Like, we have decided it shall be thusly. No, no, you don't decide. I decide where the button goes. So I just can't.

Starting point is 02:07:02 I can't daily drive it. I can't reach. And I use the back button far more often than I use the task switcher button. In desperate need of a new mouse pad, any news on when the stealth one will drop? No, I do not know. And I don't want to promise anything because shipping is a nightmare right now. Now that AT&T has two gig and five gig fiber available to the public, can you do a home networking video for 2 gig and 5 gig fiber available to the public, can you do a home networking video for 2 gig and 5 gig internet? So I'll tell you this.

Starting point is 02:07:29 You're not going to get 2.5 gigabit per second or 5 gigabit per second connections to almost anything. Not in the real world. The point of a wide pipe connection like that is multiple users. It's not for you to put like the wire your whole house and all your machines for five gigabit and expect that you're gonna like browse facebook faster because the time to negotiate that connection to download the content is already going to be greater than the time it would take to download that content on a fiber gigabit connection, let alone two and a half gig. So I don't think you're going to see a meaningful

Starting point is 02:08:09 difference in things like web browsing. And like, okay, say for example, you torrent. By the time you're going to saturate a gigabit connection, you have saturated your CPU because presumably you're using a VPN, right? Like you're not going to touch this two and a half gig or five gig fiber connection with a single machine. So really what you want is you want a router that has a two and a half or five gig uplink, which you could make for yourself with PFSense. I know Asus has some two and a half gig uplink stuff.

Starting point is 02:08:38 And then everything else will run on gigabit. And you'll just get full gigabit from multiple clients at a time. That's the benefit uh ever thought of doing a semi-truck gaming setup yes we have it's we'd love to do something cool like that but it's just a gigantic project and we haven't uh yeah we just haven't haven't made it go luke are there any that you wanted to talk about? Or are you curating right now?

Starting point is 02:09:07 I'm still curating. Oh my goodness. I'm getting there, but like, whoa. Linus, you've stated before that when you start selling cables, you will make sure they're legit. Do you plan on using third-party validation? LTT Labs would be a conflict of interest. No, we don't plan to use third-party validation.

Starting point is 02:09:23 We plan to validate them ourselves, which, yeah, fine. We're asking you guys to trust us that we can validate the cables, but... And hopefully our documentation is good enough. We're also just going to do it and do good. You can do it yourself. So, Brad, I'm an aspiring YouTuber

Starting point is 02:09:38 and want to avoid becoming an external drive hoarder. I'd like to go the jellyfish killer route with LTO as physical backup. I'm Apple, direct attach is nice uh big q is can storage a big question is can storage servers be powered off and on regularly when needed studio is an off-grid mini barn and i'm only home monthly yes you can power them off as long as you power them off correctly uh yes yes you can that is a very very edge case um it is sup linus and luke any chance you can speed run a video on the quantum magnetism used to read hard disks by next week so i don't have to look it up for my class week okay i didn't actually read the by next week part it could be an interesting video eventually

Starting point is 02:10:25 yeah yeah not next week uh daniel what do you think about google nerfing its legacy g suite and forcing them to get a paid subscription to keep their email with their own domain i think they backtracked on that so that was the right thing to do if they did that's where that's where i'm at on that we had to migrate from the free version ages ago because we exceeded the user count but lmg used to be free g suite back in the day yep back in the day i think it was sub 10 users that they allowed something like that very generous actually uh sierras 13 says it's not really a conflict of interest. That's just QA. Yes, that is correct. What are your thoughts on mass adoption of Windows 11 in its current state?

Starting point is 02:11:13 I only use it on one of my machines so far. I've been fine with it, but I don't use it that heavily. It's my handheld. It was nowhere even close to the crazy storm that was Windows 10. even close to the crazy storm that was windows 10 um there there was no news articles this time around about uh i remember specifically some lady had a forced upgrade she like lost all her data and her computer got bricked or something uh that was like we talked about i think that was just a windows 10 update too i don't even think that was going to windows 10 maybe uh it was it was it was rough like the the windows 10 move over was rough my computer hasn't even bugged me about it at all um maybe because it knows it's not compatible but who knows apparently they haven't backtracked as far as latinos on float

Starting point is 02:12:00 plane and you lose your play purchases because you can't transfer them unless you pay okay well i'm very sorry to hear that um oh they're letting you migrate to free accounts now that's good okay yeah there you go okay so they have backtracked on it uh plat says can you explain when it's okay to plug a ups into a power strip and vice versa power strip into ups why do ups manufacturers get so warranty vovoidy about these configurations? So first of all, I think UPS manufacturers get warranty-voidy about things whenever they can. Oh yeah, definitely. If you have a warranty-

Starting point is 02:12:34 If they saw an opportunity, they just went for it. That protects the equipment attached to something. You're looking for every opportunity to invalidate that warranty. In theory, there should be nothing that, there should be nothing about a power strip with a surge protector on it that makes the power protection of the UPS not function correctly, but the manufacturer would make the argument that, well, we only validate it with all the equipment directly attached, so that's what we're covering, and that's fair enough.

Starting point is 02:13:01 with all the equipment directly attached. So that's what we're covering. And that's fair enough. So what you should really do is you should just use a UPS that is rated for the capacity that you need and has the number of outlets you need, and you should plug directly into it according to the manufacturer's instructions. Because if you want the warranty,

Starting point is 02:13:17 then that's what you're going to have to do. Personally, I plug things into my UPS with a power strip, but I do it knowing that I'm plugging in extremely low draw devices like a phone charger that I just didn't have enough outlets for and that I'm not overloading it that could be another concern the manufacturer might have is that you might be overloading it

Starting point is 02:13:35 why are you plugging in so many devices right so that's where I'm at with that Josiah says have a great weekend guys I'm so glad this is back in stock. Oh man hoodie. What's your favorite current show? That's for either one of you. I don't really watch shows. Current makes it a bit of a problem.

Starting point is 02:13:55 Adventure Time was a big one for I think both of us. Yeah I loved Adventure Time. Adventure Time was huge. I had never watched Bob's Burgers until like a few months ago. So I like binged 10 seasons of it it's like pretty funny cool yeah it's still current so that's that's neat i watch tv to not think so don't don't expect me to to come at you with like oh yeah like black mirror really changed

Starting point is 02:14:18 the way i think about you know the digital age and i just it's a break yeah my girlfriend watches tv i sit on the computer so it's on like kind of in the background bob's burgers has been on i thought it was cool there was a recent one uh oh man what was it called it was a canadian show too um let me see letter kenny no letter kenny's, but that's not the one I was talking about. Letter Kenny's fantastic. Okay, why don't you check that? I'll do a couple more. Luke, I'm about your size and I need a new chair.

Starting point is 02:14:50 How do you like the chair you're sitting in? So disclaimer, they are an ongoing sponsor of the show, but that doesn't benefit Luke directly in any way. So I'm going to let him talk about his chair here. The show I was trying to think of was Kim's Convenience. I don't know. It's good. It's fine. I don't know. It's good. It's fine.

Starting point is 02:15:07 I don't have very strong opinions about chairs. I'm actually not really a huge fan of any of them, if I had to be completely honest. I have found... You treated yourself to like a super fancy one and then didn't even like it or something. I returned it. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:15:23 Yeah. Which might not be surprising if you know how i you know modus operandi but it was it was really expensive it was one of the most expensive purchases i had literally ever made sorry were you saying you're a cheapskate yeah yeah um it was really expensive and it showed up and just like i just the the whole process frustrated me it was literally one of the most expensive things i'd ever bought like i just said they left it out on the front lawn while i was at work um i i drove up and was like whoa there's a big box in the lawn i wonder what that is and then i was like wait my name's on wait this is the wow okay it was like i even noted that like i lived in the basement behind the house blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I didn't even know it was arriving that day, like et cetera.

Starting point is 02:16:07 I take it out of the thing. It like, I don't know. It just like creaked a lot. It felt really cheap. Yeah. I was just very not impressed for how much it cost. And ever since then, I just haven't been super stoked. Jay has some steel case chair that he seems to be a fan of that I've been kind of interested in.

Starting point is 02:16:26 Because it's probably getting near time for me to get a new chair again. But yeah, I just haven't been impressed by... I don't know if impressed is the right term. Like, this is fine. I have no issues with this chair. I would have no problem saying like, yeah, if you want a gamery style chair, this chair is totally solid. saying like yeah if you want a gamery style chair this chair is totally solid um but i have never sat in a chair where i'm like wow i gotta get this now you know i've never had that experience not yet jeff v asks i've saved up enough for a steam deck 512 gig should i go for that one or keep

Starting point is 02:17:02 saving and hope for an affordable 30 70 i'm on a 1080 but i want multi-monitor 1440p goodness man oh that's a pretty crazy comparison my my take is man steam deck's gonna be really cool it's gonna change the way you game whereas a 3070 will upgrade your game your current game so that's kind of where I'm at on this. I'm a big proponent of these handheld PCs. I think they're super cool. I think they're a lot of fun. But if you're the kind of person that's going to be like,

Starting point is 02:17:35 oh, small screen, don't like this, then maybe you should stick with the full size setup, right? Like how often are you away from a power plug? You got to ask yourself that. Are you really going to use it? Because if you're going to use it man the steam deck is so cool um there's there's so toby j is asking how i got into development um i liked games i thought computer games were really fascinating i when i was really little how computers worked on the software side of things and the hardware side of things felt like magic to me. I kind of my my my one of the stories that I've told before is that my dad leaned in to tell my mom on their wedding day while they're up at the altar thing.

Starting point is 02:18:19 He's like, I bought a computer this morning. So we've always had computers in our lives. But like we were both in the age group where like i grew up pre-internet effectively and then the internet was connected to the house and that felt like magic too it was just a very interesting time because we were like kind of pre all of that stuff and it was happening at the same time and uh my brain just going like how does this work led me to getting interested in development that's pretty much it that's a cool story bro thanks man i mean he literally asked i mean for no for real for real you're my bro and that was a cool story what

Starting point is 02:18:53 derek asks do you have any plans for a printer roundup that's gonna be a negative I was gonna say hopefully not you know what I'm not even making fun like it's actually kind of really valid useful like content like maybe that's something maybe that's something the labs could sort out

Starting point is 02:19:19 or something for us I don't know yeah like what's we like could we get it under the microscope? Check the printer quality. Like just literally print pages until it's empty. I don't know. I'm sure there's ways we could benchmark them, right? Like a harassment scale or something would be nice.

Starting point is 02:19:36 Like how much does this printer bother you? How much does it yell at you? Does it just work? Yeah. More often than the other ones. Does it complain about ink more often than the other ones? Can you print if it doesn't have cyan? Can you print a purely black page if it doesn't have cyan?

Starting point is 02:19:52 That would actually be pretty interesting to me. Yeah, that would be very interesting. JPJapers says, what GSM is the shirt material? I don't even know what GSM is. GSM, fabric? is the shirt material i don't even know what gsm is gsm fabric uh oh weights fabric weights oh man is a metric measurement meaning grams per square meter i could oh i don't think you guys probably have that information somewhere i don't think bridget's gonna be on right now but i'll tell you what i will ask for it to be added to the product page i'm sure she knows i'm sure she i'm sure she does um can we add gsm fabric weight how costly is it to run float plane per month from a business perspective um costly it's costly but

Starting point is 02:20:47 the float plane subscribers that um pay for a float plane make up for it yeah so it is it is cash flow positive for the entire umbrella organization overall yeah so basically you guys are awesome you um thanks yeah you're you're awesome i think that's really the whole story bro it was pretty cool uh says hey linus remember those few laptops way back when they had display inputs why don't we do see any of that anymore there is one uh gpd did one uh gpd laptop display input it's super cool because you can basically yeah the pocket 3 kvm module demo so this this is awesome this is awesome you're gonna like this you can use the keyboard and trackpad and monitor to control like a server or something by using this this usb uh input module thing yeah so you can control another device with it it's it's amazing that's pretty cool yeah it's super useful if you're like

Starting point is 02:21:55 a technician or something yeah i actually i grabbed it out of inventory to to fix the arcade when my kids wanted to play with it because it's got a crT. And so I couldn't. And it's constantly broken. And the BIOS wasn't displaying properly and I needed to like change something. And I was like, oh, I don't want to haul a stupid, got to get a monitor and keyboard. No, I'll go grab that thing because I had just done the short circuit on it.

Starting point is 02:22:16 It's super uncommon because most people will never use it. That's why basically. And it costs money to implement. Stefan merch messaged, please do a sarcastic one and a half hour long printer review video. April fools for a printer review.

Starting point is 02:22:28 That'd be kind of fun. Yeah, I'd be into it. It could be interesting. That's soon. Is that something framework laptop would be able to do with an add-on port? Not easily. Embedded display port is like

Starting point is 02:22:41 not quite the same thing as probably an hdmi output that you would have into whatever your device is i think it would be non-trivial to deal with gabriel said my first internet exposure was in 2018 wow yeah wow how do you think early internet exposure changed your business and life back then the only way to get content was by piracy. And then in brackets, LCD videos on a USB stick. Okay, this is probably like Cuba or something. Like Sneakernet. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:23:15 How do you think early internet exposure changed your business and your life? I mean, it completely changed my life. I spent so much time building relationships with people on MSN Messenger, like camp buddies and and school friends and stuff like that like my first girlfriend we talked almost exclusively online because she lived quite far away and it was long distance remember long distance phone yeah so i racked up like a multi-hundred dollar phone bill once talking to her and it was like uh son this will never happen again

Starting point is 02:23:45 did you know that you were doing that okay i had no idea it was i knew it was long distance because i had to dial the thing but i didn't know it was like oh yeah really expensive i didn't realize how long i was talking you hang up no you hang up like that kind of thing right no every time you say that, it costs me a doll. Hang up! So, other than to say that I wouldn't even recognize my life today without early internet exposure, I don't know how to answer that question.

Starting point is 02:24:23 Yeah. Oh, I'm accidentally in the wrong section. Someone's asking if you have any recommendations for a NAS. Man, I think we're working on something right now. Either Jake or someone on the team is working on a follow-up to Anthony's video, which is converting your old desktop into a NAS, which is also a valid approach. But we're going to try and do a brand new one. So stay tuned is what I'm going to say

Starting point is 02:24:48 because I don't want to just talk out of my butt. Raphael is saying, on another note, I've been a Linux gamer for almost a decade. Your videos on the project were amazing. It would be great to revisit the topic in a few years to see how it has evolved. Is there going to be any uh content looking at steam os

Starting point is 02:25:08 um like as a part of the as a part of the for sure okay yeah um perverted angel mark says edp is very trivial saying that it's somebody who has soldered a dp plug to a laptop monitor yes fair enough if you're talking about display port but the reason that i said presumably hdmi is because that tends to be what we use on mobile devices like what are you going to output your switch via display port um you'd need an active converter which might need to be powered. So that was the reason I said it would be non-trivial. You're right. DisplayPort and embedded DisplayPort are easily intercompatible, but it was HDMI compatibility to this embedded DisplayPort display

Starting point is 02:25:54 that has no ability to understand HDMI whatsoever that I was concerned about. Sorry, I should have clarified that better. Thanks, Linus and team interested in collaborating with an av integrator to showcase more professional av gear that could be kind of interesting but it's like it's almost more it's almost becomes like a cribs episode at that point i don't know what we what we could or would say about it garland said how would i go about getting my channel brought over to floatplane there's a There's a creator application form. He said, we're very small, but we'd like to join up.

Starting point is 02:26:29 We generally recommend for very small creators that you actually don't put effort towards an external platform like Floatplane, which is somewhat contradictory to things that we have said outside of that which is where creators should diversify a lot creators should diversify a lot after they establish themselves in my opinion after they reach a certain critical mass yeah and up until that point you should be putting as much effort and as much focus as you possibly can every possible minute you can put forward towards it in growing that one thing so you can get there and then you should focus on spreading out so once you hit uh a decent solid size um apply and we'll get you on but up until then like you i would not recommend joining uh you should you should focus on your YouTube or whatever else you're trying to grow. 77-inch OLED, 85-inch LCD, or 120-inch 4K projector for a living room with no light control.

Starting point is 02:27:33 Well, I can already tell you the projector ain't happening if you have no light control. No light control. But you didn't say how much natural light you have. Hmm. how much natural light you have um well you think about that i'm going to do another one daniel said um thanks to it i started working uh thanks to it i started working in it as a technician oh i think he meant ltd uh what would you recommend to expand my scope of knowledge one thing that i've seen some people do is set up a home lab um yeah for sure so i would Oh, I think you meant LTT. What would you recommend to expand my scope of knowledge? One thing that I've seen some people do is set up a home lab.

Starting point is 02:28:09 Yeah, for sure. So that would be, if you can afford it, I think that would be a really good way to go. If you have a lot of light in your living room, I still think unless you're going like absolute latest gen OLED, that 85 inch LCD, man, Samsung's, what are they, the Quantum Dot Neo or whatever ones, Evo, can't remember. The latest gen ones, they're pretty darn impressive. The black levels were really, really good. There's also that technology from Hisense with the dual cell,

Starting point is 02:28:40 I think they call it, where it's two LCD layers, one of which is for color and one of which is for basically light control. We haven't done our review yet because we haven't got a unit of one yet, but I saw it at a trade show before, like a couple of years ago, and it was super exciting. So that's another LCD option as well. I don't know if it's available that big though. I'm leaning towards 85 inch LCD

Starting point is 02:29:04 if it's going in a living room though. But man, 77 inch OLEDcd if it's going in a living room though but man 77 inch that's what i got in my living room and i'm super happy with that the g1 so good random question not so random question have either of you solved a rubik's cube no yes is it better to buy a pre-built right now possibly but we also have shown in a recent video that it could be terrible so you gotta find the right one that's not a bad pre-built if you have to start replacing parts it doesn't work out it's not great thanks for the free sound check didn't think canadians got so loud says jay also some any chance for reviews of some touchscreen productivity monitors seems all the reviewers

Starting point is 02:29:41 i'm following aren't even mentioning touchscreens. It's because on the desktop. It's weird. It's so much less convenient. You just said productivity monitor, but it's probably not very productive. Yeah, than just keeping your hands on your keyboard and mouse. So it's tough. Yeah. Mines, can you talk about how YouTube is forcing its users to turn on watch history?

Starting point is 02:30:01 Are they? I have no idea. I did not know that. I haven't heard of that. If they are, I guess Boo earns not know that i haven't heard of that um if they are i guess boo earns yeah i don't know i don't have uh i don't really have a hot take on that i've done enough hot takes today that's all that's all the hot takes we need in in one wan show will there be another office vlog once you occupy the new office space uh we did do a tour of the new creator warehouse space uh on floatplane that was an exclusive nick did it and then for the lab uh yes we will definitely be doing a lot sure you'll see a lot of the lab as we kid it

Starting point is 02:30:40 out uh aiden i love ltd are you ever going to make a video on a non-mac music workstation yes we are we are going to do music uh like da digital audio audio workstation benchmarks at some point we've been talking about it for a long time but we will do it eventually maybe when labs up and running john you've mentioned potentially cutting back on your video cadence in the past is this because you feel it's getting harder to find interesting topics to talk about yeah it can be sometimes um but also it's like a personal thing like i'm just kind of exhausted but i hope that bringing the engineers into the lab and having a lot of that um a lot of that sort of digging for stories done by just generating our own data is going to take a lot of the pressure off of it.

Starting point is 02:31:26 I think that we can keep up the cadence. John says, what do you think of retailers charging scalper prices on GPUs? We've talked about this extensively in the past. I mean, I'd rather the manufacturer and the retailer take the money than a scalper. So if that's the price the market will bear,

Starting point is 02:31:40 I guess it's like better than scalpers just buying them all. But personally, if I could build a perfect world, I would make it so that the MSRP is what the end user ultimately pays. So, but I can't build that perfect world because nobody will sell me GPUs to use the verified actual gamer

Starting point is 02:31:58 to make sure that real verified actual gamers get them. So we could, it's been available this whole time. Keep that in mind when you think your company that you want to support is all cool and stuff. Linus, you should seriously take a look at ARM server CPUs. If you have a hookup

Starting point is 02:32:11 or connection at Gigabyte, ask about the Ultramax 198 slash 96 core bare bones and server systems. Company wants publicity, can't say more. Oh, okay. The problem for us

Starting point is 02:32:23 is that right now we don't have anyone qualified to test them so it's something we'd love to talk about and love to look at and it's super cool but we're just not there yet yeah what are your thoughts on elderly how-tos for every common simple tasks as well as protection super basic and over explained to make it easier to understand asks seth i was reading a merch message sorry uh tutorials aimed at the elderly for like basic tasks and like staying protected online what do you think um that could maybe be an interesting tech wiki thing uh because the goal of tech wiki has been education essentially this entire time

Starting point is 02:33:04 i feel like a resource time. I feel like... And being a resource for things. I feel like part of the problem is not that that information isn't out there, but that those people do not seek it out or do not know how to filter the good information from the bad information. I almost just feel like we would be

Starting point is 02:33:18 just kind of just throwing more noodles at the wall, like pot and all, kind of hoping that it'll fix the problem. I don't think we have the power to fix that problem though navid says my friend's gpu died but i managed to get a 3080 ti for the win 3 with a water block for under msrp i don't know what case would be good for building a water loop size can be anything large but reasonable oh. I will say this. Picking a case is going to be the easiest part of that journey. Head over, like if you're doing a custom loop, head over to the forum, post under new

Starting point is 02:33:56 builds. I'm sure someone will be happy to help you out. That's what I'm going to ask you to do because they can help you with not just the case, but also making sure you pick a nice reliable pump uh you pick a reservoir that's going to fit above your pump so that it's going to be nice and easy to bleed the air bubbles out of it and stuff that can help make life easier for a novice builder you can also check out some of our water cooling builds as well um that phanteks one that we use for everything crap what is it and oh that is 600 whatever it is yeah that one's uh that one's pretty good uh christopher b what do you consider the best 2022 content creation laptop for the money 600s i think that's the one um man it's a little it's a little early in 2022 to have the best pretty much anything alder lake is absolutely killer on mobile it looks like so

Starting point is 02:34:45 that's going to be pretty interesting this year i best contribution laptop you know what i'm afraid i simply cannot answer that question until i have an entire lab behind it what's the latest that's going to be my go-to a lot it's a pretty good one what's the latest on non-facebook vr headsets uh super excited about L2D Labs. I don't think there is a lot, really. It's been a fairly dead space. Yeah, I mean... Hopefully because people are just quietly working, but...

Starting point is 02:35:12 I got the Pimax ones in for review, the 5K and the 8K. And the problem for me is that they seem to be designed for more like an Asian bone structure. So my generous honker here interferes with the plastic casing. It's extremely uncomfortable. I basically didn't use my VR setup for a month while I had it plugged in.

Starting point is 02:35:39 And then last night I was like, this is stupid. I'm just going to unplug it. I tried to keep it there to make myself review it. But you just weren't doing it, yeah. But I just... It's not a good sign, okay, when the product is so unusable

Starting point is 02:35:52 that I would rather not do something I enjoy at all than use this one. Yeah. Yeah. We're getting there, actually. JTW, do you view a difference in blocking an ad versus blocking the various advertisers and analytics trackers in your browser so that's getting into way way more sort of nuance than really i ever intended to dive into with this topic

Starting point is 02:36:29 into with this topic the point was the price is set by the seller your options are pay the price and consume the content don't pay the price and don't consume the content or privateering privateer and you make the choice yeah uh benjamin says do you think nvidia will continue to use fab capacity for 30 series and continue producing them while moving to a new node for 40 series to help with the card shortage absolutely nvidia is going to make as many cards as they can conceivably sell with that said i think they try to have pretty clean transitions between product generations at least in terms of how they name them um they may just try to make ah yeah they kind of yeah but they roll out they roll out the top tier first while you can absolutely still buy last generation lower tier hard to say yeah yeah probably i'd say they're gonna keep doing their volume um at the lower

Starting point is 02:37:17 tier of the 30 series even once they've brought out the higher tier 40 series that'd be kind of their their jam oh we'll do some some good old fun rebranding. And finally, is the 6600 XT worth the $150 premium over the 6600 in your opinion? That doesn't come down to opinion. That comes down to find the games you want to play, look at a review at the resolution you play at, and you decide, do you need that extra bit of smoothness?

Starting point is 02:37:44 Only you can answer that question, Jake R. And only you can end the WAN show. No, only you can end the WAN show. No, you. No, you. No, you. No, you. You have the thing.

Starting point is 02:37:57 No, you hang up. No, you hang up. No, you hang up. No, you hang up. No, you hang up. No, you hang up. Did you ever do that? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 02:38:04 You had one of those? Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Bye. Only you can end the land show. we're still live by the way but the uh the flannel the flannel was a bit of a success i saw a lot of purchases for the flannel that were saying that they were buying it for their their girlfriend or their wife or whatever else. I find that very interesting.

Starting point is 02:38:45 Because it's just the little black on black badge. Oh, yeah. We didn't even talk about how stealthy the branding is. Yeah. We're really trying to get away from merch. I love stuff like this. Love stuff like this. Have always loved stuff like this.

Starting point is 02:39:01 Because if someone walks past you and they know, then they know. They're like, hey. Hey, see, I know that thing is there. I can probably read it if I want to. Yeah. But if not, it just looks like a flannel with a little black badge. Yep.

Starting point is 02:39:14 Really cool. And we're dead on.

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