The WAN Show - RTX 3080 Scalpers are JERKS - WAN Show September 18 , 2020

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Starting point is 00:00:21 Keep chasing it. Drive your ambition. Mitsubishi motors hey what's up guys welcome to the wed show we've got a spectacular show for y'all today there is so much news to talk about there was an apple event this week there was the launch of the rtx 3080 sort of because sort of good luck buying one there was uh what else we got here luke what do you want to talk about price was announced oh we're definitely gonna be talking about that okay okay hold on hold on hold on hold on i swear i'm gonna let us run the intro in a second here just give me a score out of 10 for the ps5 pricing score out of 10 uh one out of 10 okay i like it i like it we'll get into more depth

Starting point is 00:01:13 into that later ladies and gentlemen what else we got uh did i give two uh no no no come on go for it go for the talking we chat officially really in the u.s that's a headline compared to you already talked about you already talked about this no i didn't you said nvidia stuff no but not that are we giving nvidia two headlining well they've got two headlines they killed sli they got the good headlines i mean that like it was already dead you know what luke i've had i've had enough of your i'm... I'm not going to bleep myself swearing because I got part of the monetization disabled on a last WAN show because I had too much bleep swearing

Starting point is 00:01:53 in the first 30 seconds of the video. So I'm going to go ahead. I'm going to roll the intro. Then I'm going to talk about how I feel about that. All right. All right. All right. all right all right all right wait hold on a second rip ruth bader ginsburg no way am i am i this far am I this far out of the loop? MSI, conquer the battlefield. Backblaze, back up your storage.

Starting point is 00:02:34 Honey, conquer the deals. Coupon codes. That's right, I said coupon. What are you going to do about it? You and I are apparently that far out of the loop really yep no way when uh it's it looked like hours ago nope minutes minutes ago cnn posted 35 minutes ago new york times eight minutes ago. Wow. Okay. Sorry, guys.

Starting point is 00:03:12 Sorry, I'm just finding this out now. Crazy. All right, then. In other news, technology. Wow, okay. You were going to yell at me for SLI stuff. Yes, I was. You know what what let's jump right into that one i don't even remember what the title of the stream is today nvidia rtx 3080 scalpers are jerks should we do that first no do the headliner no we are talking

Starting point is 00:03:38 about nvidia sli i'm getting my display capture going here i gotta read oh oh i just moved i just moved the luke source if okay there we go nvidia sli are you gonna hover your mouse over it again transitioning support is transitioning that's another way of saying being being dead and buried to native game integrations you're not even gonna you're pulling a linus here you're not even letting me talk fine because you go then you go title of nvidia quietly kills sli this is like if if nvidia is getting the credit for killing sli it's a kill steal it's a kill steal so who are you giving the credit for killing sli microsoft um well direct x12 doesn't exactly like you think reviewers killed sli kind of like very justifiably like they earned it and it was good

Starting point is 00:04:39 and people should be happy people should be happy pushing SLI for a long time when it was a giant steaming pile of garbage. Okay. It was terrible. Okay. It sucked. And they were still pushing it because they were like, yeah, buy four graphics cards. And reviewers were like, this is dumb. This is stupid.

Starting point is 00:04:55 Don't do it. We started releasing the, I don't even remember what it was called. Compensator. Compensator. Yeah. We started releasing that to just like basically make fun of sli that was almost the entire point of those videos that's true we we released other we also made fun of extreme editions and overpriced motherboards

Starting point is 00:05:17 and power supplies yeah but those weren't the reasons why the system like literally performed worse than other systems that was the fun true well sometimes they did sometimes the big multi-core extreme editions did actually perform worse than the single yeah than the the lower threaded consumer chips yeah yeah that's true but it was and absolutely but it was mostly trashing on sli um yes and and this has been like a theme. This was a theme for us. This was a theme for other reviewers for a very long time

Starting point is 00:05:48 while NVIDIA was still pushing it. Then like basically the whole industry just stopped. I don't think very many people were pushing SLI at all. I saw a lot less of it in enthusiast builds. It basically didn't exist anymore. And now they're pulling support for it it's already dead it's it's that maybe maybe they're pulling the plug but it's been on like life support with no visitors for a long time okay so here's here's why i'm bummed and you'll have to forgive me for maybe making some assumptions here,

Starting point is 00:06:25 but I'm bummed because it feels like NVIDIA is pulling SLI support at the point in its history where it is more likely than ever to work well. Okay, over the last couple of generations, over the last few generations actually nvidia has taken the sli interface are you done now are you done laughing at me all right i'm not laughing i actually it's a funny comment because it's true. So NVIDIA has taken the SLI interface, which used to be, let's see, high bandwidth was 650 megahertz. The older one ran at a slower 400 megahertz.

Starting point is 00:07:13 How much actual bandwidth was this? Standard bridge, support SLI, maximum theoretical. Here we go. So at 400 megahertz, it could do two gigabytes per second in dual channel. That's not very fast. By contrast, the latest iteration of NVLink. So if we were to actually say, okay, look, what we really need for SLI to work better

Starting point is 00:07:38 is a much higher bandwidth interface between the GPUs so they can share, you know, frame buffer information or whatever the case may be. Well, we were already there. Dang it. NVLink 3.0 is 50 gigabit per second. It's like over the last few generations, they've taken that two gigabyte per second. They've gone to two and a half, three point something and six point something. Like, come on. They've actually got it to the point where like Quadros can share memory. They can actually pool memory

Starting point is 00:08:13 and work on like compute workloads together on a workstation. I know it's not the same thing, Luke. I'm just saying it seems like if they'd actually been dedicated to it instead of building, you know, the world's premier AI computing company, that I think they could have solved it. That's all I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:08:32 That's it. Yeah, I agree. A lot of the productivity style things don't need SLI to use both graphics cards. No, but NVLink allows them to share their memory. It allows them to pool their memory so you can work on much much larger workloads so where's that for my games i just want that for my games i want to i want to play 12k uh flight simulator dot um so from the blog post should we at least run through what this means because if you have an sli system

Starting point is 00:09:05 that this doesn't necessarily mean that immediately you're gonna lose any performance benefit you would have gotten so okay well look some games have a performance benefit man you're such a jerk for someone who has sli graphics cards you sure are hating on people with sli graphics cards and awful awful hard. I didn't even ask for them. And technically right now I don't because you told Emma she could have one of mine and now it's in her system. Did I really? Oh, I did do that, didn't I? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:35 I'm awesome. I'm hilarious. Okay. All right. So back to the blog post. back to back to back to the blog post with the emergence of low-level graphics apis such as direct x12 and vulcan game developers are able to implement sli support natively within the game itself instead of relying upon an sli driver profile which is just another way of saying that it's a percent of a it's a one percent of one percent of users and game developers would

Starting point is 00:10:00 basically be idiots to spend actual dev cycles on implementing this unless the intent of their game is for it to be used as as a benchmark you know if you're some if you're working on something like a crisis remastered or whatever so hence nvidia will no longer be adding new sli driver profiles on rtx 20 series and earlier gpu starting on january 1st 2021 instead we will focus efforts on supporting developers to implement SLI natively inside the game. So that's clearly, clearly not happening at all. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:33 Then there's a, oh man. So for GeForce RTX 3090, remember RTX 3090 is still SLI ready. They just shipped like, like right days before this blog post went up, the first reviewers would have been hands-on with RTX 3090. They just shipped an SLI-capable GPU. And they're saying, so for that, SLI will only be supported

Starting point is 00:10:57 when implemented natively within the game. So that's fine because there's a big long list of game titles that you can enjoy here in the blog post. Such hits as Zombie Army 4, Dead War, Strange Brigade. Okay, most of these are somewhat recognizable. So we've got Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Civ 6, Sniper Elite 4. Civ 6, okay, sure. Gears of War 4, Ashes of Singularity Escalation.

Starting point is 00:11:25 Lots of people played that game. It big esports title uh rise of the tomb raider hitman deus ex mankind divided halo wars 2 battlefield 1 and then vulcan games that support it are red dead redemption 2 okay that's like i i would say that that qualifies as a as like a triple a title be legit then we got quake 2 rtx ashes of singularity strange brigade zombie rb4 dead war so we have red dead redemption 2 benchmark benchmark other more different benchmark yeah yeah and deus ex yeah oh well okay i have been preaching for a long time that you are far better off just, you know, getting one better GPU than two slower ones. And ever since, you know... NVIDIA's been trying to price it that way anyways.

Starting point is 00:12:15 Yep. Ever since like NVIDIA and gaming media and consumers in general woke up to the importance of frame times compared to frame rates and we figured out how to actually quantify the micro stuttering that mostly people just felt beforehand there's been a big shift away from dual or especially triple or quadruple gpu solutions because that that added latency like micro stuttery latency, really hurt the gaming experience, even if your system was actually feeding a lot of frames. They weren't being delivered smoothly and it wasn't really a fantastic experience.

Starting point is 00:12:55 I will miss it as just like a fun, you know, EP narrator way to, you know, trick out your system, I guess but i i can also see how now that nvidia is committed to this strategy it seems of building more and more massive gpus generation by generation um it almost feels unnecessary like now that nvidia has launched the RTX 3090, which has, uh, hold on a second, RTX 3090 power consumption. Let me just see if anyone has sort of quoted that already. Um, this, the card is expected to utilize around 350 Watts of power. I mean, not only did they just launch a 350 watt GPU, they designed a new connector for it. That's good for up to, I mean, not only did they just launch a 350 watt GPU, they designed a new connector for it that's good for up to, I think, what, 600 watts?

Starting point is 00:13:48 So if that's their commitment going forward is like, we're gonna completely reimagine, you know, thermal controls for desktop gaming computers so we can start shipping like bigger, more monstrous power hungry GPUs from now on to the future. I mean, if Nvidia just offers you a single card, that's like, yeah, what, you know, SLI would have been, but we just, we just baked it into a chip this big. You can't really complain about that. Right. And the whole, yeah, the whole many

Starting point is 00:14:20 smaller GPUs strategy has already been tried and it was a failure. AMD went that route way back in the 3000 series days. And I mean the old 3000. Did they do a new 3000? Hold on. 480. Trying to remember. Yeah, 3000.

Starting point is 00:14:39 So the Radeon HD 3870 was not competitive with NVIDIA's top end. It was more competitive with NVIDIA's step down. And then the way AMD positioned it was, oh, well, we'll just pack two of these onto a card to get competitive at the top end. It didn't work. It didn't work then. It doesn't work now. And until someone builds a chiplet GPU,

Starting point is 00:15:02 I don't think we're going to see any kind of multi-die gaming graphics solution. I will be very interested to see what, if anything, Intel can pull out of their sleeves, though, because we've actually been hands-on with Z Graphics now. I don't think our video

Starting point is 00:15:20 is actually up yet, but I'm fairly certain the embargo is lifted, so I guess I can talk about it. And so we tested a laptop with onboard Intel Z graphics and wow, it's pretty impressive. Let me just make sure the embargo is up on this. Yeah, yesterday, yesterday, the embargo is up on this yeah yesterday yesterday the embargo lifted so we had an intel 11th gen mobile chip absolutely thrashing an amd chip with radeon graphics in it now that wasn't featuring um rdna2 obviously so amd definitely has they have a generation literally in the chamber to pull out and combat this with but we don't know how good our dna2 is

Starting point is 00:16:06 so and we don't know how well it'll scale down to something like a mobile cpu so for now intel has managed to take back the crown in at least in at least one way one way definitely at least one way and you know what i say to that good for you hooray hooray indeed so scalpers ah fine i wanted to talk about sli some more i'm gonna miss it it was so cool no no i'm done i'm over it i'm over it just like nvidia is just like thanks for that uh consumers consumers troll r RTX 3080 scalpers. So let's talk about the situation here. I mean, Luke and I saw this coming.

Starting point is 00:16:51 Luke, did we talk about this on WAN Show last week? We did. We did. We did. Yep. You know, I actually, I had a tweet from someone who was real mad at me. They're real mad because I think someone, I think Hardware Canucks posted on Twitter

Starting point is 00:17:02 that they are withholding any rtx 3080 content that they otherwise had planned to release um out of oh man what did they say it was something to do with because people can't actually buy it they don't want to they don't want to make uh content that's like promoting it or something like that. Going to modify the schedule a bit. Posting build slash more RTX 3080 content right now just doesn't feel right. Promoting an item that's being scalped so heavily would just feed the situation even more. It's our true hope that NVIDIA GeForce puts solutions in place for the next launches. So I get it.

Starting point is 00:17:41 Yeah, I get it. But also like the only reason this doesn't happen every generation is because some generations just aren't exciting. Every time a graphics card has launched that people actually want, getting them has been like finding a hen's tooth in a haystack, if you know what I mean. I worked on the procurement side for multiple generations of graphics card launches. And the only ones that we could get adequate supply are were extraordinarily unexciting ones like GTS 250.

Starting point is 00:18:14 You know, whether it was EVGA or Zotac or Gigabyte, they'd be on the phone me and like, hey, you want a big launch allocation of GTS 250? I'd be like, no, what do I want that for? There's going to be plenty of them. I'll just order them later when you guys have got them on rebate we'll deal with that down the line when it came to flagship launches like i remember at times when you know someone like an evga would ship us 11 units you know like they couldn't even do a nice round number and you know they would try to follow it up right like they'd get you another another six you know later on that week but the only way to get one was to

Starting point is 00:18:51 was to backorder it and then just hope that you picked the right skew because the way that ncix worked with them uh you couldn't be like oh hey i'm at this point in the queue on like evga ko or whatever and then like kosC shipment comes in. You wouldn't like get an option to get one of those. You would just be sitting there hooped because the exact one of Nvidia's or EVGA's two dozen SKUs for the same stupid GPU wouldn't come in and you're just totally hosed.

Starting point is 00:19:22 But I remember this happening all the time. And that's one of the big advantages that you would try to make for yourself as a retailer is you try to get in the good graces of the add-in board partners and NVIDIA themselves to make sure that you've got allocation. Because when you've got a hot new GPU, it does more than just get you the 5% profit if you're lucky on that graphics card. Yes, my friends, it is pretty normal for a retailer to make between 5% to 8% even on a thousand plus dollar graphics card.

Starting point is 00:19:54 But it's about more than that because someone buying that graphics card, well, you're, by having it when nobody else has it, you're creating a customer experience. You're giving yourself an opportunity to build a relationship with that customer. So maybe they'll come back. And also there's the system builder factor. A lot of people don't upgrade their old system. They just build a whole new system. So when they see that new graphics card launch, they go, oh, hey, time to

Starting point is 00:20:18 upgrade. So by having the graphics card in stock, you're not making a thousand dollar sale. You're making a $3,000 sale as they build a whole new top-of-the-line system. So we would work really hard to try and get allocation of these cards. Meanwhile, board partners are working real hard with NVIDIA to try and get allocation of the GPUs, and I assure you that NVIDIA is working real hard trying to produce as many of these GPUs as they can. You think NVIDIA wants to ship fewer graphics cards than they absolutely have to? No. Has NVIDIA ever given you any indication

Starting point is 00:20:50 that they don't like making money? No. Definitely no. It just is what it is. Unless you're Apple and you literally run like multiple factories around the clock for two months leading up to a launch it is normal for a really hot item to be in short supply that's just the way it is so anyway i had someone real

Starting point is 00:21:15 mad at me about the can it run crisis uh 3080 video that went up the day after the review in light of hardware knox's much more moral stance on the situation. And my take is like, what, you can't watch that video in two weeks or four weeks or six weeks from now and like enjoy it then when you can buy a graphics card?

Starting point is 00:21:41 Or like, I don't know. I just don't get it. What difference does it make? And like if you can't a graphics card or like, I don't know. I just, I just don't get it. What difference does it make? And like, if you can't, if you can't be disciplined enough to not spend, you know, a $1,500 on a graphics card, like twice what it's worth on eBay, that's, that's on you. That's not on me. Like, I, I don't know what to tell you. Like, I don't have a personal 3080 yet. like i don't have a personal 3080 yet so it's okay we can wait a little bit i think i think something that i i saw which i don't know if i'm gonna be able to find it but i saw some memes about it was gamers gamer gamers nexus's stance on this stuff which is just like i think they said something along the lines of like it's not it's not food and water like you'll be fine yeah the irony is that as far as i can tell steve

Starting point is 00:22:33 from gamers nexus plays fewer games than i do no i well okay if you're looking just at like the name of the channel sure but like the uh i think the the sentiment there is good like what you have right now is probably fine if it was fine a week ago yes it's it's fine now yes just relax it'll it'll come back in stock at some point you'll be able to get your card at some point and you'll be fine these are optional items these are optional not like the playstation 5 which as we all know is just as essential as shelter clean water you know access to access to medical care um let's just talk through what's going on with the 3080 for those who are not familiar so uh pretty much any listing that

Starting point is 00:23:20 shows the card in stock is being instantaneously sold out and while bot protection is in place for most if not all of the online stores several scalpers have been shown to have bought dozens of cards within seconds of orders going live so that appears to be a big part of the problem so one of the most common bots seems to have been provided by bounce alerts who confirmed with pc magazine that they did indeed provide a bot to help members purchase the RTX 3080 units on launch day. So they said the bot works as an automated script to run basically from the product page to payment information and checkout,

Starting point is 00:23:55 monitoring when the product gets back in stock, and immediately checking out. NVIDIA's website actually crashed during the early phase of the sale, meaning the bots had to be restarted manually, allowing at least some legitimate buyers to get their orders in. Now, NVIDIA claims that they're doing everything humanly possible to review RTX 3080 orders to verify that they're human. But realistically, there's only so much that I think they can do. I mean, all it takes is a slightly more sophisticated bot to, you know, try to act a little bit more human, you know, put a different name on it here and there, that sort of thing.

Starting point is 00:24:31 So many shoppers have been left out in the cold while eBay auctions have sprung up at astronomical prices. Now, the community seems to not be taking this in stride because these graphics cards are in fact essential to their way of life. And someone has created a bot that has been automatically scraping eBay for RTX 3080 listings and placing ridiculous bids on the cards with no intention of paying them

Starting point is 00:25:01 so that basically the auction will run out and that scalper is just going to be stuck with a card and a buyer that has no intent to pay now to be clear we're not condoning any of this behavior i'm not condoning scalpers and i'm not condoning fraud because that's what it is um but we're just going to talk about it on the WAN show. And we've actually had some bad experience with this. I don't know. You probably remember that stupid video with the blue iPhone thing. I do. I do, actually.

Starting point is 00:25:35 And we got screwed on that. And we were just trying to help. We were literally trying to donate money to testicular cancer research. Yep. And we got screwed over the the someone did this to our ebay listing of that phone not just one because we made our way down the list and basically every one of the bidders had no intention of paying and it's just like okay yeah uh so i guess i don't remember how that got resolved i think we flipped it on craig's

Starting point is 00:26:06 list and donated the money just quietly and decided not to do anything like that for a long time um yeah was pretty much it like way to go you ruined it for everyone uh yeah so it's it's been used in whatever you want however you want to think about this the the way it's being used for 3080 it's been used in very not good ways as well. Yep. So other users are taking a different approach, making misleading listings for RTX 3080 cards, removing them from sale before the auction actually ends.

Starting point is 00:26:36 So there's a 3080 printed slash paper edition, whatever that is. There's one posted by Gaben's son, which is just like a drawing of it. I actually, I kind of am not 100% sure how this is relevant, but hey, there it is for $100,000. So I guess they're just trying to create so much disorder in the market that it's making it really difficult to actually flip them. Some folks have taken to review bombing the RTX 3080 on eBay to make other people think that it's a scam. Yeah, so it's pretty interesting. It's uncertain whether Nvidia expected this to happen, but they claim that demand has been unprecedented.

Starting point is 00:27:30 And that may actually be the case because looking at further on into Hardware Canucks' tweet storm here, not really a storm, let's call it a thread. They said that, hold on, where is it? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't know. They had another tweet. I i saw it somewhere maybe it was a reply to someone but basically they called around some retailers and they said that allocation was actually better than some previous launches it's just a really really hot card i am not surprised at all like that's the thing that's the thing

Starting point is 00:28:01 that's really funny to me i've seen this so so many times, you know, so many times. And I just don't get it. You know, whether it's a CPU manufacturer being like, yeah, you guys better make sure you stock up on this thing. It's going to be hot. It's going to be hot. And then I get it in my hands and I'm like, I could have told you from 20 minutes with this thing,

Starting point is 00:28:23 like a quicks and a benchbench run and two gaming benchmarks, that it's not hot. What gave you the idea that it was hot? What is this based on? Or the other way around. It's your trust when something is actually hot. Exactly. And then you see it the other way around,

Starting point is 00:28:39 where you've got NVIDIA here that's like, yeah, this is the biggest intergenerational increase that we've made in a decade or whatever, however long it's been, and even overhyping it themselves. Is that it? Did they make the up to two times performance claims during their keynote because of insecurity? They're overhyping it. They know that it's fast. They must know it's fast. They have all the same benchmarking tools in games that we do, better ones even. And then they're like,

Starting point is 00:29:12 oh, we really didn't expect it to sell this well. The craziest thing is they didn't have to launch it yet. The next gen consoles aren't coming until what? November? When is the actual ship date for playstation 5 manufacturing yeah they could just november 12th but at the same time like that's not better for them oh it totally is totally is a big red hot launch where everyone who wants one can get one is the best that's huge there's more people talking about it this way um yes and no because remember when

Starting point is 00:29:47 you're actually shipping product people are going to be posting on twitter hey here's my new card here's my benchmark scores so you get conversation either way no strong disagree strongly disagree i think real product in the hands of real users. Because remember, for every person who trusts me, let's say, to say, RTX 3080, great card, go buy it. There's going to be 50 users that aren't going to do it until they hear it from their buddy. And in a lot of cases, their buddy might just watch my video and be like, yeah, I wasn't due for an upgrade. But like Linus says, it's good.

Starting point is 00:30:21 Go for it. That can happen a lot. But a lot of the time, if you're that buddy, you know, everyone's buddy who's into tech, you are buying it. You're buying it and you're going to use it. You're going to be like, yeah, y'all, y'all, man, this thing's dope.

Starting point is 00:30:34 It's dope. And then they're going to run out and buy it. So getting it in the hands of those micro influencers is what I'd call them. The people that are so passionate about these graphics cards. Like your friend groups tech guy exactly exactly getting it in the in every one of those people's hands that should be your number one priority which is exactly why lttstore.com is doing a nice big run of this is the most exciting hold Hold on. Hold on. This is sweet. Okay. This is the most exciting T-shirt launch that we have had.

Starting point is 00:31:08 Oh, man. I don't know. In quite some time. So it's limited edition. It uses this sweet foil that actually took a fair bit of work for our printer who's local. Fair bit of work to get the hang of. But this is, I forget what it's called. This is the keyboard shirt special edition, my friends.

Starting point is 00:31:31 Oh yeah. So it's got like this sweet iridescent foil. And so we're calling it, uh, the like RGB keyboard, RGB keyboard. Cause you got that, uh got that RGB effect on it. It is more expensive than our usual shirts because the A, the foil is more expensive than what we typically print with. And B, there are imperfect yields. So we'll get bubbles or we'll get little gaps in the transfer. It's a combination of it just being trickier to work with and us not having as much experience with it. But some of our shirts, they don't make the cut.

Starting point is 00:32:12 Now, just so you guys know, don't worry. None of those shirts are going to end up in a landfill. They will all be donated or if... What is going on here? They'll all be donated. Or if we end up with so much of it that it's not really feasible to donate it to a single place, then what we might do is like a misprint SKU or something like that. Like, hey, do you not care if it's perfect? Well, here you go. It's definitely cheaper. So we'll figure it out. We're not going to waste.

Starting point is 00:32:41 If I can interject. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go for it. And it might be a long time to hold the inventory. that's its whole own thing so maybe this is terrible but i'm assuming we're doing or you're doing uh ltx 2021 you could do like we don't know we don't know yet yeah it's not really looking like it's gonna get better i mean you're not even allowed to have big gatherings in Canada. So that was, that's kind of a downer thing for you to bring up.

Starting point is 00:33:09 Yeah. Okay. Well, eventually. Yeah. We'd love to do a signature thing. You see Mr. Beast signed like 150,000 shirts or something like that.

Starting point is 00:33:20 Yeah, I know. Right. I even meant like, just, just like selling them or i don't know giving them away or something at ltx to get signatures from people that are at the event right you're right yeah yeah yeah just using them as a swag item sure because it's like uh there's some kind

Starting point is 00:33:37 of novelty yeah failed print i'm not gonna hold on to them for 18 months though unfortunately oh that's where i'm at that definitely makes sense holding them until 20 freaking 22 makes no sense yeah yeah so anyway uh back to lttstore.com yeah uh um there we go let's go ahead and click on this thing look at this guy look at look at this shirt that sweet or what? Now there are a couple of important things to note guys. If you are ordering this shirt, wash the shirt inside out with the art facing in, in cold water only and always hang to dry. Never tumble, never heat dry. There is nothing we're going to be able to do for you warranty wise if you destroy the shirt by putting it in the dryer it will fade slash be destroyed extremely

Starting point is 00:34:31 quickly so if you don't have the discipline to cold wash it then don't buy it there are lots of other shirts for you yeah there's lots of other shirts literally everything else on lttstore.com is designed to be crumpled up into a ball chucked in your hamper thrown in the wash machine at whatever temperature tickles your fancy and then thrown in the tumble dryer everything else no problem not this one please be more careful with it so uh guys that is going to be a limited edition print i believe we are planning to do 300 of them um by the way oh i have an update on the cpu pins shirt so we had three that were printed with an alternate design and two of the prizes have been claimed so we are we are arranging corsair vengeance gaming pcs for

Starting point is 00:35:20 those folks and we are waiting to hear back from one more of our winners. So that's a totally, totally unrelated, that's a totally unrelated thing. How we did shirts before with a previous design that were a little bit different and they got a cool prize. By the way, we're launching the keyboard shirt. Go check it out. I can't promise we would ever do anything like that again. Thanks. All right.

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Starting point is 00:39:51 check it out the link in the video description wow um that's crazy we need to i don't know you know what it doesn't matter let's just uh i'll let i'll keep you guys updated. I'm sure Nick's going to be replying to me. Okay, Apple's fall event. Hey, did you see anything exciting at the Apple fall event, Luke? No. Well, there's a new iPad. There's a new iPad Air that, as far as I can tell, makes the iPad Pro basically irrelevant because it's got the A14 chipset.

Starting point is 00:40:23 It's 5 nanometer. So it's got the A14 chipset. It's 5 nanometer. Mmm. So it's high performance. It's got a retina display up to 500 nits. So you should get actually a pretty compelling HDR experience from it. USB type C. Sweet. Same camera as the iPad Pro. Stereo speakers and landscape. Hey, look, USPC is a good feature just because Apple's a little late to the party doesn't mean that we shouldn't applaud them for it. Wi-Fi 6, Apple Pencil support, and it's $599 for the 64 gig model. That's right, my friends. A tablet in the year 2020

Starting point is 00:40:55 that still has only 64 gigs of storage. Thank you, Apple. $600. To Apple's credit, can I take a moment to appreciate something about Apple here? Sure. This is a mid tier device. Okay. That ships with a flagship processor. Meanwhile, in Android land, everyone's trying to talk consumers into mid tier processors. Yeah, off you go. I told him to share with you. Meanwhile, in Android land,

Starting point is 00:41:26 you've got manufacturers trying to pitch mid-tier processors in premium devices. And then Apple's all like, yeah, look, it doesn't have a ton of storage, but realistically, what do you need a bunch of storage in an iPad for? And that's a fair point because you shouldn't be taking pictures and videos on your iPad

Starting point is 00:41:42 unless you're a jackass. So, hey, you've got performance that is going to be good enough for probably the five years that Apple is likely to support this bloody device. There is something to be said for that approach. Is Apple making great margin on these devices? Absolutely. Absolutely. But...

Starting point is 00:42:04 What do you think? What do you think? So almost no one even makes really tablets anymore. And almost no one is really focusing on tablets anymore. What do you think? Like how I guess what is not the right way to start that question? fit in with a market that in a lot of ways at least is showing interest in pushing quite heavily into not just massive phones but massive phones that have multiple screens um you know what i'm gonna flip it around you tell me first i i don't really think it has ton that has a ton sorry the the industry itself seems much less interested in tablets in general ipads being the only ones that anyone seems to care about at all um and maybe they'll have that okay actually maybe it is a pretty big deal because if you're so into the apple space that you're buying an ipad you probably you're you have you don't have a multi-screen phone anyways yeah yep yeah you can't the irrelevant conversation but that said i don't think you have to be completely into the apple ecosystem at all

Starting point is 00:43:18 to have an ipad if i cared about you have a tablet you probably have an ipad yeah if i cared about having an a tablet at all i would have an ipad 100 like there's true there's no way like i want to straw poll the audience here sure because i mean even what was samsung's latest galaxy galaxy tab sick something something whatever whatever it is looks great but the problem with Android tablets isn't the hardware. There's great hardware out there. I mean, Samsung's been making beautiful Android tablets for years and years and years. The problem is the software. They don't get a ton of updates on the OS side.

Starting point is 00:43:55 And the apps, because Google doesn't push hard enough for app developers to make proper tablet versions of their apps, they just aren't very good. They don't make proper use of all the extra space at best. And in some cases, all they do is just like stretch it. Like it's not, it's just not a better experience. Whereas on an iPad, I mean, I haven't owned one for daily driver use in a while,

Starting point is 00:44:21 but I do always remember just the app experience being thoughtful. It's really designed to be used on iPad. One thing I do wonder is as we see bigger and bigger Android phones, particularly with foldable devices, is if that situation will change. I mean, the Galaxy Fold Z2

Starting point is 00:44:40 is equivalent almost to what, like a seven inch tablet. You are getting dangerously close to, yeah, your app is really not going to display properly on this thing if you don't make some changes to it. And those changes would likely translate very well to a tablet. The problem is that from my experience, the Galaxy Fold Z2 has not been particular or the Fold series has not been particularly well supported.

Starting point is 00:45:03 Even YouTube still, as of a few weeks ago anyway, didn't have support for Stories on it, which is the reason I can't daily drive it because I need to both check our Stories and I need to be able to upload new ones. And I don't feel like carrying around a secondary phone for that. I'm not sure if that's been fixed on the Fold Z2 because Samsung still hasn't gotten me one um but i guess i'll figure it out eventually yay in uh do you have your straw poll ready do you want me to move on to the next thing while you do that it's been posted already we already have some votes um right now i i the question was are you a tablet customer then there's three responses one yes, I will buy one in the next two years. One was, yes, I own one that I bought in the last two years.

Starting point is 00:45:49 And then the last answer was no. And it seems like the majority of the audience said no, but not by a massive amount. So 49% of people said one of the yeses. For being a tablet customer. Yeah. Here, can I get the link to that so i can show it on stream uh yes give me one moment sweet like are you a tablet customer me no definitely i've literally never bought a tablet. Why not? Why would I? I don't know. It's like... Because your eyesight sucks?

Starting point is 00:46:29 And your phone is small? In my... I would always be happy to lug something bigger around in order to have a keyboard. I see. Yeah, but a tablet, the keyboard, even though it's bigger, is actually worse. I type like an order... Well, not an magnitude but like twice as fast twice as fast on a phone as i do on a tablet for sure especially with like a well-trained auto correct that's why i don't want a tablet yeah that's fair that's fair i get it because like and i agree with that

Starting point is 00:47:00 exact statement if i'm if i'm just firing off quick and messy messages, I'd rather do it on a phone because I'm going to go really quick. And like, people are probably going to be able to understand my, my typos and my weird auto corrects and whatever. It doesn't matter. And I can just fire through stuff really quick. If I'm trying to do like messaging style productivity, when I'm not at my desktop or my laptop, isn't fully set up, my phone is always going to be way better. So what am I going to do on a tablet? For me, it would be like watch something. Netflix.

Starting point is 00:47:32 And then the priority level of that is like really low. Because who cares? Like I can do that on whatever. Like I'll find a way. Maybe I can find a bigger screen or I can't and it's still on my phone. Cool. Who cares? i'll find a way maybe i can find a bigger screen or i can't and it's still on my phone cool i who cares like it's hey i'm not gonna buy a expensive device for that i've been meaning to ask you you own a tv now for the first time in like years has that changed your habits at all do you actually watch tv like on the tv no i kind of didn't think it would so you blew like two grand on a tv you don't watch emma loves it okay happy wife happy life there are some investment one makes not for

Starting point is 00:48:21 themselves all right uh in other news uh apple launched honestly i think the watches were far more exciting so the new watch series 6 measures blood oxygen in 15 seconds and can track oxygen saturation during sleep which is totally useless because there's no way of charging it while you sleep so that's really stupid um you know maybe someday there will be a wearable that has like sleep monitoring features that doesn't need to be charged at night. But until that time, I guess I will completely ignore these kinds of innovations. It has a better always on display that's more efficient and two and a half times brighter than the previous generation. The altimeter is always on.

Starting point is 00:48:56 Oh, I always want to know how high I am. There's Memoji faces. In defense of the blood oxygen while you sleep thing. Yes. If you're someone who actually kind of needs that. Then you could charge during the day or get two, just buy two. Why not? Okay.

Starting point is 00:49:12 Now that is an innovation, Apple. Free of charge. Okay. You guys come up with the Apple Watch Series 6 squared. It's just a two pack. You wear one at night, one in the morning, and they just sync to each other so that it's like a two pack you wear one at night one in the morning and they just sync to each other so that it's like a perfectly seamless experience i could totally see people doing it so you never have to take off your apple watch the night one could even be like

Starting point is 00:49:36 styled a little different yeah like soft it could not even have a display so it's like it's like a companion oh they should totally do it they should actually do it and softer materials yeah it's not like gonna do anything bad i know no one from apple watches this show but guys you've got to do it the like apple watch pm something like that like the one that's like that's great oh man that's a fantastic name i mean i don't think they take you know ideas from outside of the company because they must not be good ideas because if you had good ideas surely you would already work at apple but like it's a really good idea like with my wireless charger on my nightstand that would talk because the problem

Starting point is 00:50:21 with with health devices is that they don't work unless they're really part of your routine. They don't work if you use them sometimes. So I could totally make that part, even being a totally absent-minded magoo that I am, I could totally make that part of my routine. I get up in the morning, I switch my watch out. And you know what? The PM1 could even have like pretty decent battery life like the

Starting point is 00:50:45 daytime one so if i like forgot for a few hours and switched it at that time it wouldn't miss a beat get it get it miss a beat because heart rate monitoring anyway the point is so i get up in the morning feeling like p diddy got my it doesn't matter uh i get up in the morning i switch my watch i go to bed i switch my watch genius. Anyway, there's a new loop. It's flexible silicone, 20% faster charging, 5 gigahertz Wi-Fi. Finally, a U1 chip for spatial awareness. And it's 400 bucks for the GPS model. It's pretty reasonable, I guess.

Starting point is 00:51:17 We've come a long way from the addition, you know, thousand plus dollar, however much they charge for that thing. And then there's the watch SE, which is 300 has the series 5 soc so the s5 does not have the blood oxygen sensor but otherwise has the same screen and sensors as the series 6 and there's no power adapter in the box which for me wouldn't matter because i actually have a combo charger that i really like so it's wireless for phone airpods pros and apple watches it's ironic out of my three mobile devices that i carry every day two of them are apple even though i do not use an iphone oh and now apple's bundling their subscription services whatever all right let's talk about

Starting point is 00:52:00 the other the other big one from this week nvidia poised to purchase arm for 40 billion dollars that's dealing with the beat price is also pretty big all right let's do that first so who do you think won who do you think won the price battle here xbox why the the subscription thing is just insane and like the the the the width disk drive price is the same as the Series X. So, okay, PS5 without the disk drive, you get the full fat except the disk drive for $399, which is pretty fantastic. $100 cheaper than either flagship console.

Starting point is 00:52:43 I strongly disagree. You think PS5 wins? I think PS5 won. I think the all-digital PS5... So here's the thing. Because remember, it's not like Sony doesn't have a game subscription service too.

Starting point is 00:52:58 Microsoft's pricing? Outstanding. But they don't have exclusive games, even temporarily exclusive. They don't have exclusive games even temporarily exclusive they don't have exclusive games that would entice me to go buy it you just said the price war i did well you're the one who brought up the subscriptions i didn't bring up the subscriptions from a hardware standpoint i think it is indisputable that sony what you're making that face i don't like that face that's a rude face and i won't see it i won't have it i won't have it i won't have it i'm getting rid of you i'm getting rid of you

Starting point is 00:53:31 hold on where's your no you're gone you're done you're out you get one of the consoles no you're done your subscription no you keep putting you keep pushing you keep pushing i'm gonna mute you too who's got the obs now all right you're back you're back you're back live subscription what is that okay okay uh hold on a second hold on a second i'm trying to remember okay okay okay if you want to play an online game you have to have uh what's it called on playstation yeah so pia playstation plus collection was announced so ps5 owners with ps5 plus will be able to download and play a curated library of ps4 games that define to the generation like batman arkham knight bloodborne fallout 4 god of war monster hunter world persona 5 and

Starting point is 00:54:14 many more so they've got great content out of the gate whereas microsoft as you pointed out is essentially giving away a free console with your subscription to the maybe slightly more mediocre content. But where I think Sony got it right is actually very closely in line with what I said was so great about Apple's approach with the new iPad Air. What you're getting with the PlayStation 5 digital edition, so the one that does not have the disk drive, is for $400, for less than the price of a Series X or a full-fat PS5, you are getting next-generation performance.

Starting point is 00:54:57 In terms of the actual performance bang for the buck, if we're to take Microsoft's word for the teraflops of the Series S versus the Series X, you're getting the best bang for the buck out of the next generation consoles, bar none, making it the most future proof purchase out of the lot of them. That is my argument. So I think one thing here is, are you going only single player games? Because now we're including the games.

Starting point is 00:55:25 Well, if you played competitive games and you actually cared about performing well, you'd have a PC with a 120 Hertz display. No, no, no. Okay.

Starting point is 00:55:33 Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Starting point is 00:55:34 And I was just being rude. Um, so for me, I would say that I would be more likely to sit in my couch and play a single player game with a controller. I would be less likely to play anything competitive. So like the reason why I think Xbox One is specifically not for you. Because when I'm looking at this and I'm thinking Xbox One, I'm thinking households where the kids are trying to convince the parents or one of the parents is trying to convince the other parent. You're trying to pitch it to someone.

Starting point is 00:56:15 If you go like, oh, it's $30 a month, that's quite digestible versus $400. four hundred dollars for a long time there the like oh a a household or individual with no kids can save up roughly this much money on splurge purchases thing that was roughed in at 300 bucks 299 yeah for a long time that was a big discussion we had around i believe the last console console launch you're right they've cranked that up by a hundred dollars the average income of most people has not increased like at all yeah so like it is less digestible at $399 than they were when they were at $299 it just is even if the $399 price is very competitive against what xbox has yeah as their hard prices i don't think what xbox is really pushing forward is their hard prices. And if you're buying one of these,

Starting point is 00:57:08 I think in most cases, it is probably your singular gaming machine. I'm assuming. I actually, I don't know this, but like when I was growing up, we usually either had like really nicely specced computers and we were kind of a little out of

Starting point is 00:57:26 date on the console side of things or we were up to date on the console side of things and we were a little out of date on the computer side of things most families cannot yeah most families cannot afford to like have the whole stable of you know current gen consoles and a nice gaming pc that's not reasonable and like my my dad was was pretty good at at like that's not the right phrasing my dad pushed forward consoles a fair amount um which makes sense family setting we all sit on the couch we play games together it was really cool um and then a lot of like my personal money went into my computer. So, but like that was a big focus for me, et cetera. I think most households are going to have kind of one. And if you're buying like a brand new console,

Starting point is 00:58:12 it's probably going to be one. So it's 400 bucks, which is really hard to digest. And if that's your singular thing and you want to play games online with your friends, you are getting what's looking like 12 bucks a month subscription for ps plus and i don't think that comes with games because i think you need playstation now for games i don't know i'm not i don't know playstation add-ons well ps plus comes with some ps4 games okay um sure and then playstation now comes with more stuff i don't really know how the playstation

Starting point is 00:58:45 stuff works but you're spending at least 12 bucks additional so playstation now is cloud gaming if you okay okay yeah so if you if you subscribe for longer periods of time if you subscribe for three months at a time it's 30 bucks six months at a time it's 70 bucks um so you get some some discounts there but not not massive ones just fairly reasonable discounts for subscribing in bigger amounts of time. So let's say about $12 a month. So in 10 months, the Xbox costs less? All right. I think it's fair to say that there's a console for everyone

Starting point is 00:59:19 because if I'm more of like a single-player experience person, I might actually care more about PlayStation Plus than I do about Microsoft service. And I think that the PlayStation 5 discless, like the digital edition, makes a ton of sense for me because I'm sitting there, I'm playing more like sightseeing type games,

Starting point is 00:59:40 beautiful games that are meant to be enjoyed on the latest hardware. Sony was very clear that they investigated they explored the idea of a lower spec ps5 and rejected it because they didn't like what it would mean for the game development process um and i think they were right yeah i think they were right about that but then i think microsoft is coming at it from a completely different point of view where like you said it's like this is the family it's the xbox it's the box it's that box that's for gaming or whatever so you got your subscription fee it's practically

Starting point is 01:00:14 free uh the controllers are cheap because you could go pick up like secondhand xbox one controllers at gamestop when they go out of business down the street. So it's meant to be this like affordable box that's maybe more, I don't want to say casual because that has such a negative connotation, but it's certainly a less fraught purchase. Like you don't have to think about it quite so hard. It would be more common to find the new Xboxes in cheaper overall setups yes that makes sense

Starting point is 01:00:48 um so like i yeah i don't i don't think the ps5 is positioned necessarily poorly i think what you brought up like like the the possibility of someone getting the console and not getting playstation now actually seems decently high yeah it seems pretty high like if i had 400 bucks to spend or 500 let's say because i might want to buy a game or something maybe uh so i get a playstation 5 i get one controller that comes with it because i'm not going to buy another fancy 70 controller or whatever and i get and i am one game that i like really want to play i i buy man what are the launch titles again there's really not much even on the playstation side who uh oh man is hogwarts legacy even launching with the game or with the with the console i don't know i don't know demon souls in the dock they

Starting point is 01:01:40 have some goods playstation has been fantastic on the single-player game set of things so i legitimately see the use case of buying the digital ones you save a hundred bucks yeah some single-player games over the life cycle of the console yeah enjoying it a lot and just seeing it off with that not really worrying about playstation now not really really worrying about playstation plus if you're on the xbox side of things i really see getting the subscription model console, getting in on those multiplayer games with your friends. Microsoft is going hard on the whole, just like commoditizing it, turning it into a box. And I think that that might cause some friction with game developers. I've already seen some backlash about the fact that they have two different specs.

Starting point is 01:02:24 So now game developers have to target PlayStationstation xbox the high-end one xbox the low-end one probably for the time being they've got to hit playstation and xbox last gen both high-end and low and all of a sudden they're basically developed i mean when you think about how few graphics cards there are that make up like the um kind of like let's say the lion's share of the steam hardware survey right because going back to anything older than like five years ago there's not much amd has what like 20 market share if that and that's among like sort of architecturally like two or three cards so nIA basically has like their handful of GPUs for each generation.

Starting point is 01:03:07 Like we're at the point now where supporting a console, you're actually targeting maybe I'd say a third as many performance tiers as you are on the PC. Remember that assumes you're only looking at graphics and things like system memory and CPU speed and number of cores can also vary wildly on the PC, but there are trends that you can find. So it's like I can see how developers are getting a little frustrated with that.

Starting point is 01:03:29 But I think Microsoft's going to continue to double down on it. I think that we could start to see more frequent Xbox refreshes. I think that's why it's called Series. Not because it's just Series you know x and s i think it's series because just like they turned windows 10 into operating system as a service i think they're turning xbox into xbox as a service so we could just see yeah series x2 next year two years from now you know whenever amd pulls their head out of their butt and makes a new graphics card worth upgrading to. Boom. Two years from now. Exactly. If they did it every two years, that would be a full subscription of a console every time. Yep. That could very well be the model,

Starting point is 01:04:14 looking at how Microsoft has priced it so that you buy the console in two years. So that way, even though they don't have to, what they could do is put a ton of pressure on sony because sony's business model is not designed to compete with that so all of a sudden microsoft would be leapfrogging them multiple times a generation in console performance potentially without necessarily changing much on the game developer side of things because everything's focused on like direct x right so it's just a matter of like here's more performance i mean you were going to develop for pc because it's cross-platform anyway so here's a faster pc it's a new box don't worry too much about what's inside it this is like this is the 4k box this is the 4k 60 fps box this is the 8k box as time goes on and it's it's basically just

Starting point is 01:05:08 like your your settings in game are just pre-selected for you because it can detect what console you're on it's basically geforce experience yeah right it just detects what you're running on and it's like yeah that seems about right so now now that you see the ps5 pricing $499 $399 yeah no weird subscription thing like xbox did what do you think about the positioning of xbox in terms of pricing because they have that $299 thing i think that i mentioned i think it's a great time to be a gamer straight up up. I think between the RTX 3000 series, outstanding, outstanding for PC gamers. Not just people who have $700 to spend on a graphics card.

Starting point is 01:05:55 Not at all. Not in the slightest. Because it's going to absolutely tank the prices of Pascal and Turing graphics cards. Never mind Maxwell. And you can still do a lot of gaming on a 980 or a 980 Ti. Do not kid yourself. And it is going to utterly destroy the secondhand pricing of those cards for people who don't

Starting point is 01:06:16 have a ton of money, not to mention prompt a lot of people to upgrade to the new ones and flood the market with those parts. Great time to be a gamer. PlayStation 5, honestly honestly looks great xbox series x and series s honestly they look great just totally huge innovations in the game development side of things uh so we're going to see better game design thanks to these faster ssds we're going to see um what was i going to say right we're going to see more affordability for gamers than ever before with the subscription model from Microsoft.

Starting point is 01:06:47 Like there has, it's never been a better time to be a gamer. That's what, that's what I'll say today. Meanwhile, Nintendo's like, Hey guys, we have AR.

Starting point is 01:06:59 We have augmented reality, Mario cart. Hello. They, they made some statement that they're like working on a new console duh or like they confirmed like yes we are in fact doing anything i mean you can take that for granted my understanding of the game console development cycle is that you're basically working on the next console as soon as you have two seconds to catch your breath

Starting point is 01:07:27 from launching the last one. Like 20% of the team stays on to keep writing firmware updates and stuff for the existing ones and the rest is like, okay, let's build it from scratch again. Yeah. Maybe more than 20%. But I think you guys get my point. New console development never ends if you want to have any hope of staying competitive i think i think the ps5 is

Starting point is 01:07:54 in my opinion targeted as like the the almost the the like the like wealthy person i think it's more premium 100 yep and i think xbox is like the pleb console for sure in terms of the way that sony and microsoft see it not me not me you're hitting the the one-time payment digestible 299 which due to wages not really increasing is the same digestible amount it was last time and they hit it again that's probably why the reason why they wanted a specced down console and even though there was pushback they did it again. That's probably the reason why they wanted a specced-down console, and even though there was pushback, they did it anyways. It's probably because they wanted to hit that $299 price. They want that commodity.

Starting point is 01:08:29 They want that commodity pricing. They have the more premium one as well, just because they got to be able to promote those performance numbers. Need those headlines. Might as well make it, so just make it. And then they have their two subscription things, which are super digestible. Even the high-end $499 subscription things, which are super digestible. Even the high-end 49 console on subscription

Starting point is 01:08:47 is much more digestible. And then PS5 is just sitting over there like, no, screw subscriptions. And you're paying a minimum of 400 bucks. Games cost a lot to make. Go buy them. Can I say something controversial right now? We are way over time on the show today.

Starting point is 01:09:03 We haven't even gone through Super Chats, but I got to hit you with this, okay? I want to say something controversial right now we are way over time on the show today we haven't even gone through super chats but i i gotta i gotta hit you with this okay i'm gonna i want to say something controversial right now do it i'm ready nintendo switch pro assuming that they're actually working on such a thing could be the most compelling of all of them of course here's why here's why no not to you i guess fanboy no no no no no hold on hold on but for a reason you're not expecting for a reason you're not expecting though okay for a reason you're not expecting because in addition to having a more powerful soc i think that it is basically a guarantee that it will include the crazy up samplingpling technology that NVIDIA has been

Starting point is 01:09:46 working on over the last few years. So Nintendo could conceivably ship like a portable console that like games at 4K because it could render at like 1080p, seamlessly upsample to 4K and absolutely blow the console gaming world's mind because amd's technology when it comes to upscaling is so far behind nvidia's that it's not even they're not even competing on the same planet at this point like have you seen what the shield pro can do would you want it 4k in your hand i think i wouldn't yeah it wouldn't have to be i wouldn't care about that but i think they actually build some real tech into their dock this time and do an upscaler in the dock no because they don't have to the upscaler would definitely be in the soc

Starting point is 01:10:38 like there's no way it wouldn't be and the thing too is that the switch could benefit from upscaling without upscaling to 4k so they could ship a 1080p display in the switch it could have smaller bezels could have a nice big screen like we're overdue for a really big screen on a switch so a giant screen and then it could render it like 720p or like 800p or something. So you could take advantage of DLSS, of this super sampling technology, but just in different ways. So on your TV, you're taking advantage of it to like get this crystal clear, super sharp image on your 4K TV. And in your hand, you're using it to save power

Starting point is 01:11:22 by rendering at a lower resolution. Like that's crazy. That's crazy. So that's what I want to see. That's what I want to see. I agree with that. I honestly think another Switch would fly off the shelves, even if they just made it, like, a little faster. Yeah. And, like, maybe a little bit better battery life bluetooth headphones maybe green had a little bit better coverage like it has bluetooth

Starting point is 01:11:53 would make yeah dude it having bluetooth and not supporting bluetooth headphones some of the most frustrating things ever so like yeah solving like a few of those problems and just making it a little bit better in each way um i wouldn't even be surprised if they added like a c-stick or something um yeah people would eat it up because it's just it's nintendo all right so i think we're probably going to have to call it for the stream for today ladies and gentlemen the arm thing oh yeah shoot okay we'll do that very quickly tiktok and wechat officially banned in the u.s as of september 20th so that's the thing uh and nvidia wants to purchase arm to basically become a fully integrated ai company so they would have cpu network and gpu basically making themselves a one-stop shop

Starting point is 01:12:45 for the data center uh don't worry this won't affect um you know uh perpetual license arm licensees like apple um so that'll be fine but it's going to be real interesting to see apple like beholden to nvidia in any way because those two get along so well. One last thing I have to talk about real quick here is lttstore.com is hiring. It's going real successful, ladies and gentlemen. By the way, thank you for your support. We're going to have a video coming up pretty soon called How Does LMG Make Money v2.0. The last time we did that was four years ago and things have changed a lot.

Starting point is 01:13:24 Some things have stayed the same a lot ago and things have changed a lot some things have stayed the same a lot other things have changed a lot um you guys are going to want to check that out but a big big part of our growth has been the super fans the ones that subscribe on floatplane the ones that buy stuff through our affiliate links in the video descriptions the ones that buy merch you guys are absolutely enormous um in terms of the amount like the percentage of revenue that you guys uh contribute uh people who subscribe to youtube premium for example huge difference uh so you guys have been enormous difference makers for us over the last four years compared to uh how our model used to work before and thank you very very much because you

Starting point is 01:14:05 i think you guys probably sort of realize how much of a difference that you make not just to us but to any other creators that you follow and that you support directly but you might not realize how much pretty huge it's massive um so anyway we're hiring six positions graphic design fashion design pattern making we want to like triple down on custom garments uh product management customer support and web dev is that six one two three four five six yep oh and web devs web dev so we're looking for a react js experience uh so you guys can find those on linusmediagroup.com now uh for five of them and the dev possession dev position will be listed within a few days so go go check it out web position is mostly it's like javascript and

Starting point is 01:14:57 and uh a lot of like web front end stuff okay um one additional thing i'm going to throw in here is that uh i don't know exactly how we're going to do this and uh to call it hiring you'd need some pretty serious air quotes uh because you're not getting paid but the ltt forum probably needs some developer help um colonel mortis could use some reinforcements i'm not sure how we're necessarily going to do this yet how do we vet people yeah um to be clear the forum's not like a money-making thing for us either it's just something that we want to continue to support because we feel like it's really important to have and i've had people question me on this before because i describe it as like an independent community.

Starting point is 01:15:48 Like, yes, we're in control of it, but we're actually... People on there with very high post counts that like don't even really watch anymore or care. Yeah, we exert very little force on the forum. The only thing is like the basic, you know, community guidelines, which is, is you know don't be a dick and be excellent to each other that's that's pretty much it and keep it on tech topic that that's like the three basic rules there um and there's there's not a lot of forums left that are thriving the way that lt linus tech tips forum is so guys uh if you if you feel like you want to help like maybe you're a member there and and you feel like you want to help like maybe you're a member there and and you feel like you have some experience that would be helpful just uh how are you getting

Starting point is 01:16:30 in touch with people should they contact again we don't necessarily know yet i'm just putting the feelers out there so people know okay the type of stuff they're looking for is front end uh designer and developer should ideally be kind of one person and some like sysadmin back-end developer stuff basically colonel mortis has been doing essentially all of this on his own for a very long time um and that is becoming less and less feasible uh and we're we're looking to it's a huge community it's like well over 10 million posts like Like actually for real, I have written letters of recommendation for people that have like actually helped them

Starting point is 01:17:12 get into some cool stuff. It's not a paying position because it's a community forum that doesn't make money. And like we could make it make money. Like we could cover it in video ads and stuff but we're not going to do that because we want it to just be its own thing so all you'll find on it is like one banner ad at the top right and then links to the latest ltt videos over on like bottom right and then one banner ad at the bottom that's it so like there is some

Starting point is 01:17:42 responsibilities that would come with it but for the most part it would be more of a fun side project that you can kind of work on when you want um it's yeah so just if you're interested keep an eye out there will be there will be something coming soon for people to be able to apply in some way i don't know all right thanks luke uh we should do a few super chats here uh sorry guys i'm not gonna have time for all of them as usual uh thanks robert mail um have a little unity ipo cash says anthony markham did unity just ipo you had to be kidding me how did i not see this unity technologies raises more than 1.3 billion in ipo 12 hours ago look at that wow how did i not know that they man i wish i uh i wish that it wasn't such an enormous actually would that even be a conflict of interest for me i don't

Starting point is 01:18:37 even cover their stuff yeah probably yeah yeah oh well i own no stocks. Just saying. Wow, that's crazy. It went up like 42%. Yeah, that's pretty nuts. Owen Cullen says, per the DM on Twitter, please flag mental health among all age groups. Don't even mention me. I don't care. Oh, I'm a little confused.

Starting point is 01:18:59 I don't think I read that DM. It is a shared inbox. But yes, mental health issues. Definitely important among all age groups. I mean, can't disagree with that. Cell phone archaeology says, so review an RTX 8000 Quadro versus the 3080 already. Really, I need to know.

Starting point is 01:19:21 Wait. Wait for Ampere Quadro. There's no way that's not coming patience all right tommy gun 1928 says linus some people say you just make merch to avoid buying clothes what is your response my response that is totally unfair i also do it to avoid luke buying clothes yes thank you you're welcome it's great someone in my friend group mentioned the other day they were like why do you still do wancho and i was like it's really fun and i like hang out with linus like what do you mean they're like

Starting point is 01:20:00 you don't you don't get anything from it i was, do you not see all of the clothes that I wear? And water bottles. And water bottles and everything else. I'm like, there are perks, okay? Leave me alone. We got to do a Luke personal rig update, though, for sure. We got to do one. We got to do one.

Starting point is 01:20:19 We're overdue. I've been picking some ideas up, actually. We're overdue. Intel Extreme rig upgrade i i vetoed including you in that uh because i told them that we're probably just going to do something for luke separately anyway because you're at the point now where it's getting to be upgrade time so well let's let's let's chat uh there's finally new gpus there's new cpus coming so let's try and time it so that it's like okay luke doesn't need to upgrade his computer for another like five years or

Starting point is 01:20:47 whatever. That's the cycle. I'm trying to, my thing is I got, I got to find something cool to do with it. I think we could come up with something. Yeah. I've been,

Starting point is 01:20:59 I've been ramping up my, my thought process there and I've had a few ideas, but nothing that's like really sold me so far so all right sounds good uh dr aol a aro a says i'm gonna buy amd no matter what nvidia can and i think it's bleeped out all right fair enough gordon mcpherson thanks for keeping posting during the pandemic you guys are awesome please buy some pizza for the team you know what sure we could do a pizza day why not i? I mean, I think you underestimate the size of my team and the cost of that pizza. But tell you what, just for you, we will celebrate the reopening of the new lounge with pizza for all.

Starting point is 01:21:36 Some free advertising for a small company, but Clayton Gate Pizza actually has like above, I'm not going to say it's's amazing but it's above average pizza for very very cheap all right cost effective pizza party well still we've got like three dozen people and it was like 48 so yeah we're gonna need more pizzas but that's okay that goes a long way and we're gonna do the pizza party. Don't you worry. Nice. Hey, new Left 4 Dead 2 map. Yeah, what the heck? Right? We're going to have to play some Left 4 Dead 2 later.

Starting point is 01:22:11 Anyway, that's totally newsworthy. That's not in a super chat. Mike Collins, I'm never making that video. Slushy, 2080 Ti to 3090 upgrade, worth it or overkill? I cannot comment. The 3090 review embargo is not up yet, and I definitely know more than I can tell you. Oh.

Starting point is 01:22:35 Putkaknik says, Don't forget, PS5 games cost $10 more now. Sony is the only one making that move. That's not going to sit well with some people, even if the industry should have done it years ago. That's a good point um calvin says switch is my favorite switch is the console that to my mind has something to offer beyond exclusive games i mean mostly exclusive games come on but like yes that's true the mobility is cool all right that's it for super chats i

Starting point is 01:23:02 think we're gonna have to call it for the show today. We are well over an hour and a half. Thank you guys for tuning in. We will see you again next week. Same bat time, same bat channel. Bye. What's up with the mouse thing? Which one? Your mouse is constantly over, like, my camera.

Starting point is 01:23:22 Yeah, it's because I put the window behind my uh my uh my chrome window that i use for like reading chat and looking at the document and stuff and then people pointed it out that it bothered them so i started doing it on purpose oh so what like the obs window uh no no no it's over the discord window oh because you don't need to see okay yeah so it's behind my chrome yeah yeah it's it's kind of neat

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