The WAN Show - Ryzen Leaks Making Intel Look BAD - WAN Show June 21, 2019

Episode Date: June 22, 2019

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Apparently pressing it twice is the key to victory. Live! Doesn't work. Set it live again. Works perfectly. Welcome to the WAN show. It's gonna be awesome this week. I hope the two Linus faces brought you right into this video. There is a leak, AMD Ryzen 7 3800X Geekbench leak. Also a rumor, all the hard facts this week, about Intel going to be slashing prices ahead of the Ryzen 3000 launch. And don't worry, Linus is going to be sitting here soon enough. He's just finishing a video, and I'm sitting here. So Luke has a real flesh bag to talk to. Yeah. And he's going to talk to you about Ubuntu dropping 32-bit support, Linux stuff. Google not making tablets and a bunch of other cool, fun, entertaining things.

And stay around for the intro. Roll the intro The seat represents our love the left seat Oh wait this part display yeah Hey And I don't know how to funny sound this but merch is cool and stuff that's door. Yeah, that's star. Yeah I just realized we didn't have someone hey lines set up the camera Yeah, they're done. You know it works either way. Let's start with Ubuntu. Let's leave the juicy Ryzen topics for... here you can scoot over. Linux me. Leave the juicy Ryzen topics for when Linus is here. Ubuntu is dropping 32-bit support. It's all sad and dying dreams except for

most people are on 64-bit anyways, and I would say the majority of modern apps are running 64 bit. Not steam. Not steam. And some other actually fairly mission-critical apps for some people, but it's not the end of the world because 18.04 long-term support Is gonna be fine. It will it will keep on going so it'll be okay. It's future launches that they're talking about You're gonna have to eventually kind of shove off of the 32-bit system, which is going to be a problem. We see, like, when Windows is like,

okay, we're not going to support Windows XP anymore, and we tell you guys, like, six years in advance, and then entire airports have massive problems. So you don't think this is going to be a big kick in the butt? Oh, God, no. No! Please. Please, Linus, relieve me.

Do I take my chair, or do I take your chair? Here, let's do a whole full swap. Oh wow. There you go. This is awkward. No, it's your chair. Oh lordy. I have a shirt on.

They want me to wear. Wait, I got it. No, do your thing. Oh no. A triple XL. I can I got it. No, do your thing. Oh, no. A triple XL. I can't do it. All right. That's fine.

No, I had a medium before. What happened to it? I swear, I was holding a medium. Welcome to the organized show. Yeah. It's on time. We're wearing the right shirts. Yeah.

Okay, so Ubuntu is killing future 32-bit support. Oh, really? really oh it's about time yeah it's been a while are people mad I bet people are mad people are probably mad one funny thing that isn't gonna work is steam oh kind of weird and I looked it up and as far as I can tell there is no official announcement still 32-bit isn't it, like, it doesn't need more than 3 point whatever gigs of RAM. Basically a browser. Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. So, like, it doesn't really matter. I remember, you know, it's funny because I remember back when, I remember back when Windows XP x64 was, like, the thing that if you were a sucker for punishment, you were playing around with because you were like, well, I got this 64-bit processor.

I'm going to use it. I definitely ran it at one point. Actually, not any worse than Vista 64. My perspective, at least from my experience. And where was I going with this? XP-64 was one of the operating systems that people would complain about that I just never had a problem with. I remember noting that Steam was 32-bit only, being like, is this just part of their whole

hate-on for Microsoft, or what's their deal? And no, I guess they just didn't feel like it. Like is that how that went down? And I don't, as far as I know, there's no official word of them switching, but there's going to be a long-term support version of Ubuntu that's going to keep supporting 32-bit for quite a while. Our stream is unlisted right now. That's why only 300 people are watching.

Why is it unlisted? I have no idea but i just said it to public so uh cool hey hey welcome everyone else who is uh who is tuning in now that they're actually getting a notification um sorry i didn't know it was even i guess yep oh that's deaf that's most assuredly a thing and while while I'm at it, I'm going to check and see if Jake ever uploaded the VOD for that video that we did earlier. That's a feature that Flowplane's probably not going to be getting anytime soon. Unlisted live streams. You have got to be kidding me.

Jake, you didn't upload the VOD for that thing we did, the 8K camera. No, by upload I meant upload it. Like, live. Well, now we're like, we can't, oh my god. We can't launch it now. Like, needed to go up. Speaking of launching it now,

if you're a Floatplane subscriber, we have an app for you now. It's on the Android store. Look it up. It's actually really awesome. It's missing some features. More features are coming. But as of right now, for general stuff, it's actually a really good experience. Check it out. Okay. How are you doing? I'm alright.

How's your day going? I actually had a pretty rough day today. It seemed like it before you even got on the show and realized that it was unlisted and the other video was not pushed. So float plane. We've got the float plane. I'm kidding. We're not in apps.

We're not in apps. Yeah. And now it cancels your search. Does it really? Yeah. That's unreal, hey? That's kind of not a great experience. Hey. Hey.

There it is. This app is compatible with some of your devices. Hey! I wonder which ones. Wow! Just tech reviewer problems. I thought I had a lot. That's insane.

Wow. Is it actually compatible with my Casio smartwatch? It says no. Oh, oh, wait. Oh, OK, OK, OK. They're just all on here. OK. Yeah. I was going to be pretty impressed, Luke. Be like, Jaden, wow. Oh, oh wait. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. They're just all on here. Okay. Yeah, I was gonna be pretty impressed Luke

Be like Jaden Wow Wow just wow that's really impressive. That's pretty that's pretty good if I can watch floatplane videos on my watch You really went all the way out there. So yeah, we tried to shoot the conclusion for six video editors one CPU today okay, and between the Display like long DisplayPort cables You know it's a problem. Yeah, they just don't work. Yeah. So between long DisplayPort

cables that don't work and potentially some kind of networking issue I'm having a real bad time. Real bad time with it. and so the editing den right now is basically a flying spaghetti monster of usb extension cables and display port extension cables and um there's a giant tower in the middle of it yeah i will say i walked past it and i was like that's crazy he's gonna be late the whole thing just looked nuts i was like this can't be this can't be good and

i just got confirmation that i am in fact not in the office on monday morning um so i don't know how that's going to get finished because I'm going to Germany next week. So yeah, yeah, that was pretty rough and I'm apparently going camping this weekend so I have no idea how any of that works. So this is actually sitting in the middle of our editing room right now. That's the situation. Hey, but there's there's there's rgb though yeah and at least everyone on the left side of the frame is wearing the appropriate footwear yeah

to be working with such equipment um you know what why don't we just do some actual tech news let's talk about some tech we did technically start with tech news. We talked about Ubuntu. Did you really? Yeah, you were here. You talked about it. Oh, yeah. Oh, and is that all we've done so far? That's all we've done so far. Okay, cool.

We can start from the top. Yeah, what's up, you guys? You're not here in the morning. Yeah, I had just actually made that discovery myself. Well, not by myself. Colton messaged me. I'm apparently going camping. So the conclusion of that

video is basically on you guys to figure out we'll have someone host it yes good luck and what is it good night and good luck is that how it goes same bad times I actually really don't know what to do

right now because I also just haven't know what to do right now because I also just haven't done the hosted part at the beginning, and I should really do that. You should get... So, yeah, I can't leave it like that all week, but I can't... You should get Jake to deep fake your face on someone else See Yeah, he's not talking to you. So sorry. What are we doing? What's the plan?

Guys you're having the real behind-the-scenes experience Ed you might as well come on here this yeah, this is how we make videos Okay, we not just disconnect everything we can leave all the cables We can tuck away leave the cable the cables, tuck them away. Just take the station and move it. Take the station and move it. And then what? Bring it back next Friday. Okay, but that doesn't help Jake diagnose it.

How many videos are you expecting from me next week? Jake's working on the weekend? No, he's not. Yeah. How many videos do you need next week? Not that many. Not that many? How many is not that many? Because sometimes you say not that many and then you're like eight

All right, all right these conversations are so much more comfortable when you're not actually like responsible for You only had us down for three but did that assume that we actually hit seven this week Did we hit seven? So I didn't even need to do that okay um okay so then as long as I come in on Friday and we shoot the conclusion then it's all good why don't you guys just leave it in there and then Jake can like fix it. Yeah so when people are like on lunch he can go in use their workstation tool around with it. Okay. Sure. Okay so Jake one other thing is maybe try the other fiber optic cable the 25 footer. Maybe see if that one has compatible transceivers if that actually is the problem. You told me there was a 25 footer.

Oh, was that the copper one? Okay. You should tape down that copper cable so it doesn't get closed in the door again. Welcome to WAN Show, ladies and gentlemen. That was awesome. Oh, man. That was great. Yeah, I'm having a rough day.

But you know what? Not as rough a day as Intel. So our big story today is, of course, from guru3d.com. There are leaked benchmarks of the Ryzen 7 3800X in Geekbench. It apparently performs roughly similarly to a Core i9-9900K. 9900k and that is a super terrible situation for our friends over at intel courtesy of our also friends over at amd so not only is this bad because the 3800x is going to be cheaper than a 9900k it's actually amazing it's just bad. Yeah, yeah bad for Intel good for Everything else is there anyone else this is bad for Intel shareholders

Okay, but I would bundle them in Intel fanboys Whatever they don't count they they're people fanboys are people I disagree Not people people okay fanboys are people i disagree they are not people okay so anyway so this is bad news for intel because not only is the 3800x cheaper than a 9900k it isn't even the top of amd's lineup let that sink in for a minute that's pretty dirty so the 3800x has a base clock of 3.8 and boost of up to 4.5 uh from the look of things memory was not configured correctly at only 2133 megahertz and the test platform had a 3800x with an x470 board instead of an x570 board, so it wasn't even on the optimal chipset for this CPU. Now, that's not to say that we expect a chipset change to make an enormous difference to performance. It's just that the X570 chipset does have support for PCI Express Gen 4,

so it will have performance advantages if you have components that leverage that. And, the word on the street is that the X570 boards that are coming out have in terms of Asus's ROG boards anyway much better optimized Memory traces and they said there were some other secret sauce They wouldn't tell me because they didn't want people to copy it which could result in higher memory speeds Which would have a performance impact so we're not saying that It's a bad situation where now we're just saying that if they were running on like an ROG board That's an x5 70 it could be quite a bit faster

cool so Yeah, one thing is that in single threaded as you might expect 9900 K is still a little bit faster. We're talking 1% Okay, yeah, that's with faster memory. Okay. There was apparently a situation where it was like 14% better on a single thread. On a singular thread. But that was with faster memory.

That was with faster memory, yeah. Oh, boy. So, in response, Intel is possibly going to slash some prices. This is a rumor. The previous one was a leak. We're dealing with a lot of like, kinda, you know, not the absolutely most reliable information here,

but they all seem kind of realistic. So, I mean, if I was Intel, that would pretty much be what I was doing. I think their shortages are mostly resolved at this point. So, yeah, they're a lot better now than they were, like, before last year. Would you say resolved? No, resolved was the wrong word. Improved?

Yeah, less bad. Less bad. Let's go with less bad. I mean, if there wasn't competition, I don't think they're at the point where they would be cutting pricing. competition i don't think they're at the point where they would be cutting pricing but to me this is really less of an indication that intel is uh you know that their supply is better and more of an indication that they think in order to sell the supply that they have that's the pricing that they think they need to be at. So the thing about chip manufacturing is you don't like, it's not like hand-making designer wallets on Etsy or something

where if you get an order for 10, you can be like, oh, well, I'll just make 10 this week. And then if you get an order for one, you can be like, that's chill, i'll go do something else uh it's not like that ramping production up and down is an enormous undertaking so it's actually far better i mean that's where you end up with like um you know flash or memory manufacturers selling dram and selling nan flash at a loss because you are better off just slashing your prices like it's a commodity and ignoring your costs than you are

turning off a fab like you lose less if i if that makes sense losing 10 making stuff and then selling it at a 10 loss is less harmful than just shutting down the fab, which is sort of crazy. So Intel is not going to adjust their production in all likelihood. I don't have confirmation on that. They're just going to slash their pricing so that they can keep moving the same volume because that keeps the machine operating smoother. Sidebar thing, I would love to see a skit with Hipster Lioness making Etsy products.

Oh man. I only got one order for a wallet. That's chill. I'll just like, I'll do something else, you know? It's fine. I'll design a new Etsy product. You'll make some videos? I'll go make some videos.

My Etsy store would be full of like the stupidest stuff. Oh man. I mean, you guys have seen me try and do arts and crafts. Tech Showdown was not a popular series for us. Have we done our... Long term, it did not as bad as you might expect. It didn't do great, but I think some of them did better than we thought.

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We actually have some new merge pictures. Oh. Okay. I was the photographer for them. So I'm just gonna go ahead, I'm gonna pull this up and share it with you. This is that. Okay. So this is a teaser for an upcoming video.

I don't want to say too much because I don't know what's public. Yeah, very little is public, actually. This is gonna be a pretty fantastic video. So I'm just gonna pull this up. So basically, Brandon gets pretty triggered every time someone messages him on Twitter and is like, I want to be a great photographer. What camera should I buy? And he's like, all right. So it's hard to give you the right answer when you're asking the wrong question. Because becoming a photographer is about developing a style, learning the fundamentals, you know, understanding

the correct way to take a photo so that you can push the boundaries and experiment with the art form. Note that I didn't say anything about your camera. Okay. Another way to trigger Brandon. Show him one of those keynotes for a cellphone launch where they say, take DSLR-like photos with your phone. He'll be like, no, that's just actually not how that works. So on the one hand, Brandon gets triggered if you ask him which camera to buy to make you a better photographer But on the other hand he gets triggered if you tell him that a phone is just as good as a real camera so This is great Brandon actually came up with the idea and

We got in a camera that he was really excited to play around with 51 megapixels is it And we got in a camera that he was really excited to play around with 51 megapixels is it 51.4 megapixels, so this is the Fujifilm GFX 50 R so crazy camera like crazy camera to the point where I'm sure people out there would think wow With a camera like that in my hands, I could be a photographer, no problem. And so what he came up with was, we weren't really sure how to make a video about a product like that,

because it's a medium format camera, which is really designed for a certain type of work. Like it's a tool designed for a certain type of job. You'd say high fashion photography, anything that you were to photograph that you would expect to print the size of the side of a building, you would capture with a camera like that. The level of detail that it can capture is incredible. I kind of forget where I'm going with this very rambly story, but long story short, Brandon

and I were talking and he kind of pitches me this crazy idea and he goes how about this we do a photography challenge but we take an inexperienced photographer and I am at best an inexperienced photographer I think that's generous we take an inexperienced photographer we arm them with the GFX 50 R and then we put them up against an experienced photographer with a smartphone. And we resolve once and for all, does a smartphone hold up against a real camera? And once and for all, does an amazing camera

turn you into a photographer if you're just some random scrub? I love part of this concept because you're basically making him fight against himself Because if he does too good of a job So Brandon with a pixel 3 versus me with a Fujifilm GFX 50 are Now I'm not gonna share a ton of this with you, but I just want to show you guys

one of my photos. Some of them are just far too spoilery, but... It's intensely out of focus. I feel like this needs to be on the store at some point, okay? I mean, it's wonderful. Oh, it's not. It was just loading. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, it's not it was just loading. Yeah. Yeah, okay I mean the highlights are a little a little blown out on that one. Yeah Part of his face is like actually just pure white. Yep. Yeah, I mean it is Colton It's probably pretty close so in fairness to me. Yeah, like you shine a light at Colton. The guy's pretty white does he have Bottoms on at all. No Pants on my understanding is that he was wearing underwear some bought, okay Colton, the guy's pretty white. Does he have bottoms on at all? No, no, no, he doesn't have pants on. My understanding is that he was wearing underwear. Okay.

But it's possible he wasn't. I have no way of verifying that he was, in fact, wearing underwear. Okay. Anyway, guys, look forward to this video. If nothing else, it's going to be a ton of fun. fun if nothing else seeing Colton with no pants on Ten out of ten and there's there's there's far There's there's far worse I'm sorry guys. I really can't show this to you guys because it's gonna be such a moment in the video, but

Make sure you don't miss the photography challenge I'm actually very proud of this photo Oh my god! That's amazing! You guys need to put that on a wall So, uh, okay, okay, alright Just cause it's so awkward. That's wonderful.

It's pretty out there. Have you seen that one? Oh, yeah, he's seen all of it. He's seen all of it. So, guys, I mean, should I? You know what? I will give you one small spoiler. It's really close.

Like, this does not end up being a blowout so no matter what you think no matter what preconceived notions you come into this video with you're right all right um oh people are so mad in chat i'm so me not showing them though any of those pictures Guys it's like actually come on. I really can't I really can't yeah, I really can't show you I did show you It's like if we showed the benchmarks for every benchmarking video on Wayne show before the video came out Yeah, it is actually pretty much exactly like that. It's a problem. Yeah, okay crazy stuff Google Done making tablets. That's not crazy. It's crazy that they ever thought three people cried and No one else care

It does suck because competition reasons yeah I saw it so I stole that from Marquez because he made a tweet about that very valid outside of that I don't care were they competition, but who else was But were they competition not really? It would have been nice if they stayed in it and like actually Literally no one was competition the iPad stands alone as the tablet they and it has a long time like the thing is I'm an Android. I'm even an Android user Like the you'll pry my Android phone from my cold dead fingers

But Android is so poorly optimized as a tablet experience. What annoys me too is Android in tablet mode looks beautiful and sucks. I don't know. It's annoying. Anyways, yeah, that's basically all we have to say about that um really we can't give any details google is no longer planning to make any tablet hardware going forward and we'll put all resources behind laptops in the future chrome os chrome os is the future google had two smaller tablets in the works both have been canceled pixel slate was google's uh first chrome os tablet but it worked best when docked with a keyboard and trackpad also known as a laptop. Yeah. So yeah they're not doing the tablets

anymore but Chrome OS is not cancelled. Okay I mean you know the thing about Chrome OS is like I make a face whenever we talk about Chrome OS because it's simply not suitable for me. Yeah. There's a lot of people about Chrome OS, because it's simply not suitable for me. But there's a lot of people that Chrome OS could make sense for. The only issue is that it has to be cheap. At the same price, I'll take Windows, I'd take Mac OS at the same price. But as long as Chrome OS keeps showing up

on super cheap devices, then I guess. But as Microsoft continues to march toward Windows as a service and making all their money off of Xbox subscriptions that people are running on Windows, you know what? I'm going to do it. I'm going to call it. Within the next...

How many years am I going to give myself here? Do I go aggressive or do I do I go conservative? I would be considering the quality of some of the callouts that have been made on WAN show I'm gonna do you're gonna do it. I'm gonna go aggressive I was gonna say go kind of middle line three years Windows is free three years. Yeah Okay, I kind of knew where you were going and i was kind of thinking five but i was gonna say five you know what no i'm going aggressive i'll tell you what tell you what here's how i hedge my bets i predict i line of sebastian on this the 21st day of June 2019 predict that Windows will be free to install well it

will be announced that when that a free version of Windows is at least coming by three years from today there it will at least be announced even if it's not quite available I don't want to lose on a technicality like it's coming in the fall or something stupid like that that's it and the reason i call the reason i call three years is that we're going to be a couple years into the new generation of xboxes yeah i think that's going to be one of the ways that microsoft is going to monetize windows without actually charging for licenses and once Windows is free I think Google has a problem for Chrome OS yeah why why do I use Chrome OS at that point okay maybe it's power efficient but Windows for ARM also exists now and there are devices that you can buy

Now if you're determined enough and you're crazy enough So I mean yeah, I guess there's the App Store like if you're running on arm the Android Play Store is probably quite competitive hard to say Yeah When's our Windows Store float plane app coming? He's got it open now. I'm teasing.

I'm teasing. You know what? I am going to grill you on stream, though. I am going to grill you right now. When is float plane launching? Define launching. More creators. More creators. More creators. So we have... Out of alpha into beta. launching define launching more creators out of alpha into beta

beta launch we're calling it beta so when we bring on more creators we're just calling that beta we're calling that beta so LTX is kind of the goal we had a meeting about it today the flow. We had a meeting about it today.

The Flowplane crew had a meeting about it today. I asked everybody, we've got a deadline that is technically before LTX, but we have to finish before then so we can actually get creators on. I'm not going to say when that is. And I was like, does anyone for any discernible reason think they can't be done in time? And it was just pure silence. And right before then, one of the members of the team said their part would be done by this coming Friday conservatively, which is notably ahead of the deadline.

There are some problems. Like one of them, I'm not going to name the company right now, but, oh, I'm seething. That email you saw is now 32 emails long and we still don't have a solution because they just won't do it so far no the first email went out really really early last friday it's technically been over seven days worth of 24 hour periods not really because it's not saturday yet but technically because it was sent so early on friday it's been over seven days um and it is for any tier we're on a high tier i'm not gonna say because it would give it away too easily but on any tier it's supposed to take roughly three days

to do so it's been over seven days so far and it's three working days so if they don't do it today which i still don't have an email and it is now 6.08 p.m. Pacific time. So they're probably gone. Probably gone for the day. They're probably not going to do it on the weekend. So it's probably not going to be done until Wednesday, which is almost two weeks from when we first asked for it. And I am upsetting spaghetti.

And we need that for the launch. Yeah. Of beta. Yeah. Okay. So everything else is on track. spaghetti and we need that for The launch yeah of beta yeah, okay? So everything else is on track, and we are currently being blocked by an external company. We're being sea blocked. Yes In other news Simone Gerrits built her own Tesla truck Yeah, super cool, so the source here is obviously her channel Yeah, but I'm not gonna show you much of it because you should go watch it. Go give her views there That's all you get to see. Yeah, go watch it. Yeah, go watch it later

And there's this which is like the commercial for it, which is really cool and kind of fun and stuff but then she also has a video about like She goes and buys the car and then she drives around for a little bit and then they modify it and she pulls in a Bunch of friends, and it's really cool. So, yeah, the team essentially, I mean, okay, to be clear, like, they didn't scratch build a Tesla truck. They basically hacked the back off of a Model 3,

getting rid of the back passenger seats to make room for a DIY truck bed. So, like... And a full sheet of wood pallet rack thing at the top. Not pallet. I don't remember what to call it. An 80 by whatever sheet of plywood. An 8 by 4? 8 by 4.

Is that right? Well, that's what a standard sheet of plywood is. Okay, sure. Maybe I'm thinking inches or some... I don't know. Either way, that thing fits on the rails on top of the truck. Neat. Properly.

Because it was like one inch away from fitting in the bed, but they couldn't do it. Oh. So, mount it up top now. It's really cool. My back hurts. I'm fine, though. So does mine, but I'm sure for a completely different reason. Do you want to play some Anno tonight?

Yes. I got Yvonne into it. I saw. Oh, did you? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, on Twitter. No, she's like sure for a complete amount of tonight. Yes. I got Yvonne into it. I saw oh, did you yeah? Okay, yeah, no, she's like she woke up the next day. She's like I was like Dreaming about settlement layouts. It's like so addictive I've been I've been playing cross code. Oh, yeah, I played it on stream for Probably like two two and a half hours. I don't know if I'm gonna keep streaming it It's not a very... No.

Because you really actually need to focus. Yeah. Especially when you're doing the puzzles in the dungeons. Like they're not... The way they introduce game mechanics is not perfect. They introduce a new mechanic by basically plunking you in a room where that's the one thing that you need to like learn. But that's been... I'm not that far, obviously.

It's a really long game. And I was taking my time with certain things, like I- It's a long game. I noticed in like the first area, there's some jumping puzzle things to find special loot things, and I'm like, well I'm getting these, which is also not that entertaining for the stream, but I was like, I don't care, because I'm having fun. And then I found this one thing that's like, you need a key, and you should backtrack to find it. I'm'm like well. I'm finding that key and I have no idea where it is You just need to like play the game. Yeah, and then you can go back like in 15 or 15 to 20 hours, okay? Yeah, all right. No, okay?

Also, if you try to get every Every item you will actually just snap your controller in half in frustration every item, you will actually just snap your controller in half in frustration. I'm sure I'm super easy mode right now. So far I've gotten all of them. Except for the one that I need the key for. But, again, I'm in literally the starting area, so...

That's really hard. I'm sure. Have you done all the quests in the starting harbor? I've done all but one. Have you done the one where there's like a need to find this thing a smuggler oh no no I haven't done all the quests in the starting harbor I did that one's a real piss off good to know but yeah it's fun I like it a lot actually it feels probably exactly how it should feel yep um I died once but I died because I was an

idiot and when I died I was like yeah I'm an idiot you'll die more okay no I'm sure I like there was a corner and I'm used to modern games where if you did like a dodge spin and you hit a corner yeah just like move you around it yeah this one's like nah no so I spun into it all three times and then was like oh and now you can't move i guess i'm dead um but yeah it was really fun um and i'm down for that one more piece of actual news ios 13 will remind you to cancel your subscription when you delete an app if it is managed through the i store thing. That's pretty sick. It is.

Yeah, because, like, it is so easy. Like, I don't look that closely at my credit card bill for anything that doesn't stand out. Yeah. Like, something that's, like, two bucks. If it's, like, a couple bucks, you're not going to think about it. And it's, like, a weird company. Like, I might think, oh think oh i just who knows right like there's there's a ton of things that you just use a credit card for um and you know my like i travel

a lot so maybe it was a i don't know maybe it was a tip at a restaurant like i don't know if it's like three or four like you never know but it's a pack's a pack of gum. But it's not like, you know, 50 bucks. And I'm like, whoa, what is that? So it's so easy for these little tiny things to kind of get overlooked for months at a time. And meanwhile, the app maker is just collecting that recurring revenue. So it's really cool that Apple has taken it upon themselves to remind users to cancel their subscriptions especially because really like this is a good move you might remember to cancel your subscription if you see the little icon there all the time and like you might not want to bother

because it's like annoying but then eventually if you're going to go and uninstall the app you might jump into and cancel your sub but if you uninstall the app without thinking about it you're very unlikely to look into canceling yourself in the future. Play Store apparently does it already, according to Yugi Satan. I actually didn't know about that. I actually have never subscribed through an app. Me neither. I don't, yeah, I'm just trying to think if there's anything that I have in-app purchased.

Everything that I was subscribed to personally is through a browser. By the way, someone, I'm going to respond to your review, but someone reviewed during the WAN show the app and said it would be great if there was notifications. There are notifications, we just don't have a like account control

dashboard thing. So if you, I know it's coming, don't worry about it. There's some other stuff coming first, But if you go on the website and turn on notifications, you will get them in the app. I have a really crazy idea. Oh boy. So we missed

our upload window spot for that reassembling the red 8K camera video. Okay. I think I'm gonna, hey, Ed. Yeah. We missed our upload slot for the red 8K camera video okay i think i'm gonna hey ed yeah we missed our upload slot for the red 8k camera reassembly video what do you think of having one of the editors like instead of just uploading it as a stream archive why don't we cut it and like make it better for like uh for later right right? Yeah.

Yeah. Do you think there's any value to that? Some, I was actually reading the comments and some people did ask for that. So, it might be worthwhile. Yeah, why don't we do a TLDR version and then we can just leave the full stream unlisted, throw it in the video description. If people wanna see the whole thing.

That sounds sweet. I would want that as a viewer. Yeah, and that saves us Saves us a video. Yeah You just generated a whole video It's double dipping a little I think but I I'm you know I'm letting it slide. It's like a real-life exploit What's the name of the game Luke enjoyed oh he was he's playing cross code yeah I played it I played it through over the last few months.

Really, really enjoyed it. I think it's going to take me a long time, because I'm a little completionist-y about things. Don't. I know. Trust me, just don't. I can let go of it eventually, but when I first start a game, I'm usually kind of that way.

Don't. Just let it go now. Okay. It's like, some of them are really hard. So it has this jumping puzzle mechanic where's like some of them are really hard. Like, so the, it has this jumping puzzle mechanic where it's Which is kind of hard, and I think would be easier on a controller. Um, maybe, yeah. Because doing the

angled jumps is kind of hard on a keyboard. But the hard part sometimes is just finding where to get to it, and a lot of the time like, you'll go seven or eight screens over, so it's like, it's a 2D sprite-based RPG, so it has a lot of the time like you'll go seven or eight screens over so it's like it's a 2D sprite based RPG so it has like screens for the

map that you kind of move over so you'll go eight or nine screens over and you'll find the point where you can get up on the ledge and then you have to like make your way all the way back there and I will criticize this particular aspect of the game. Most of the time what you find is crap that you don't need.

Yeah. Most of the little loot box things I've opened is like, oh, okay. It's like some items that you could just thrash some hedge hags and then just go buy. Or just not buy. Because, honestly, I barely used items other than like sandwiches for health recovery at all there were a couple bosses where i was like okay i need a dps boost right now because this sucks but that was it yeah um we're gonna say yeah the one thing that i don't like to be honest and it's going to take me a little while to get used to, is the 2.5D nature of the game.

I can't really tell if another platform is higher or lower than mine. It takes a while. In some scenarios you can. You do get the hang of it. I'm assuming I will eventually get the hang of it. One thing that I did learn was if I just shoot it, depending on seeing where the projectile hits, can sometimes tell me.

But that has been a little frustrating so far. There's been some jumps where I'm like, yeah, I can make this jump, and then I jump and I just hit the wall and fall. And I'm like, oh, it was too high. Okay. Did we talk about LTX? No. Do I have, you know, oh, we should do, if there's a blog post,

we should definitely go through it. I wonder, did they put the, we should do, if there's a blog post, we should definitely go through it. I wonder, did they put the, no, it's not there. Wait, where's, I saw Colton a minute ago. Yeah, because we finalized the floor plan. Colton! Hey, Colton, are you around? No. Oh.

He's gone. That's all right, it was worth a shot. The map was cool. It was here last week. Did you guys talk about it last week You were on the show, dude. Hi. Yes, we did you and I talked about it. Did we did we show it? We showed it. Oh, we showed it. Yeah, okay We couldn't zoom in far enough to like show what each booth name was

But people were able to see the layout people could see where the BRC section was, you could see where the main stage was, all that fun stuff. We did so many like crazy videos in the last little bit. The edit is almost done for the slow-mo does 240 Hertz matter. Okay, that's cool. We can probably talk about it a little bit actually. Because there's like there's so much to this video that I feel like I'm not really spoiling anything by showing you guys some stuff from it. Hey, Ed. Ed, are you around? Yeah, he is.

What's the file format for the images for the 240 hertz monitor video? Are they just PNGs? Like, is it something I can open here? And are they just in L roll? No, I don't have Photoshop on this thing. All right. Well, the images are PNGs. The things with graphics are PSDs.

Oh, okay, cool. So if I fire this up, is this the hitbox ones or the hitmarker ones? I think people have figured out that if they review the app right now, I get a notification. I think these are just the raw if they review the app right now. I get a notification I think these are just uh, uh oh My phone's blowing up Oh, are these the screenshots of like the shot though?

From the video, yeah So this is every shot I took Cool Okay, neat and is this how many frames in we were from first from first pixel? Can't guarantee that Okay, so let's talk about let's talk about this a bit this is really cool. Can you save the thing? Save what thing? Like the PSD with the hip-hangers frame? No it's okay I think it's alright. Okay so this is cool so what we're looking through right now is a gallery of Ed freeze-framing so we're shooting

at a thousand frames per second on a phantom camera and ed is freeze framing and cap or is capturing the frame where i pull the trigger okay so this is where i take my shot remember guys yeah obviously i'm pretty far off the mark here um like i yeah i missed but no no i'm saying how how you could tell when you pull the trigger oh no, no, that's not how you can tell. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's fine. It's just really easy to tell because it's at 1,000 frames per second, and every frame is, like, crystal clear. It's so sharp.

It looks like a still image. In CSGO, when you shoot... They can't hear you. You have to come over here. I'll mostly talk to you guys. But in CSGO, when you shoot, when you're scoped in, it actually freezes for, for like two or three frames. So it's like move, move, move, and it stops.

Oh, okay. And then the recoil happens. Yeah. So that's how I could tell when you shot. That's how you could tell. Okay. Interesting. Cool.

So basically what we're looking at is at 60 hertz versus 240 hertz where I took my shot. So this guy right here jumps out from around this corner or runs out from around this corner. Now, he's holding a knife, but he's actually not running at full knife speed. It's about 80%. So here's my first shot. That one, I got him.

So this is probably the next run now. Yeah, this is at 558 milliseconds-ish and then 858 milliseconds-ish, and then 858 milliseconds, so it took me about a third of a second to take my second shot. Okay, this is a new run. So this is, yeah, run two shot one I missed. Run two shot two, I think that was actually a miss.

Really? Yeah, I don't think I got him on that one. No, wait, that looks like it was probably a hit. Remember, too, that there's issues with hit detection in the game. So we are capturing not necessarily... Hitbox location. Yeah, hitbox location. We're capturing how well our gamer managed to click on the target.

So if the hitbox is off and it registers as a miss, we're not penalizing our gamer for that because that doesn't tell us anything valuable about how well people can aim at 60 versus 240 here's more game knowledge okay so here's run three shot one uh that that was a miss by the way it looks like it's just over his uh let me just there's a touch screen. Oh my goodness. Yeah, so that was pretty close. And then this is my second shot. That ended up being a hit, I believe. Okay, so that's all at 60 hertz.

So now we're at 240 hertz. Are you guys supposed to be trying to pull headshots? Because you're mostly, okay, yeah. Yeah, I'm trying. Well, I don't know if, Ed, did you try for a headshot every time? I didn't consciously try. Not consciously, okay, yeah. Yeah, I'm trying. Well, I don't know if, Ed, did you try for a headshot every time? I didn't consciously try. Not consciously, okay. Actually, so I missed, I think, all my 60-hits shots.

Yeah, well, the results are going to be really interesting because... Wow. No spoiler? The big... No, no, it's fine, it's fine. Because this, honestly, this video is fascinating regardless of how much I try to spoil. Because one of the biggest takeaways was how differently

everyone aimed So we'd love to have a much bigger sample size because check this out. Oh wait. Are we frozen? We're back. So check this out you guys that was weird OBS froze So just you guys know that was OBS. Don't blame floatplane. Please you guys should get I know like Just a different computer. Oh, yeah, no, I'm not even talking about that though guys know that was obs don't blame floatplane please you guys should get i know like um just a different computer oh yeah no i'm not even talking about that though get get like logitech to work with you guys and bring in the c9 team yeah we'd love to be sick we'd love to do it again with programmers

that's fine they're still pro gamers they're still on a completely different level from us all right so anyway let's let's look at this so much so my first 240 hertz shot you can see i actually took me almost a second what's funny is my first shot one was really fast at 60 hertz i mean i took my second shot oh no this is round one no this is run one shot one uh So that's like similar. So I'm not even going any faster. Also, I think, here we go. Not even going any faster. But what's really interesting is these are all headshots. One, two, three, those were all hits.

So the way that I line up my shots, I'm actually, so remember when we played PUBG and i was playing for the first time we got chicken dinner on our first game i think we got two chicken dinners that night didn't we we uh yes and we only played three games i think four four games yeah okay um so there's only one gap between the wins so i was i was being really hard on myself because i like didn't know what ammo went in any of the guns. I don't know the maps. I don't know any of the mechanics of the game. I felt like a complete idiot.

It didn't really matter. You were telling me I was helpful. And I was like, I don't feel that helpful. But then the one thing that I was doing was I was dealing damage from far away. And when I was watching the way that I aim at a thousand frames per second it makes so much sense so I'm a good shot but not in close quarters I aim like a sniper no matter what I'm doing so what I'll try

to do is I will try I will watch my target I will watch for an opportunity because I have this mindset in the back of my mind even when i'm not thinking about it that every time i pull the trigger i'm giving them an opportunity to find me so i tend not to pull the trigger any more than i have to compared to ed who he's just like there it is, there's a flick. He'll try to just go for the flick shot. Flick shot kill. Then he's like tracking it. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

He's just pulling the trigger as often as he can. And you're doing like two per run. Whereas I got no more than two shots out per run. I think three was my max, wasn't it? I think four went into a wall. Did I do four? But one was into the wall where he went out. So I was like like I'm like go

go so My accuracy or precision Accuracy is accuracy my accuracy was actually no different at 60 versus 240 Hertz But my kill times were actually lower. So this is only 651 milliseconds. This one's 905, this one's 12. So my average kill time was actually lower

and my kill consistency was higher. At higher frame rates? At a higher frame rate. Refresh rate? But if you look at my actual spread... Yeah. It's like... Pretty freaking consistent.

Pretty consistent. Yeah, because in those games in PUBG, I remember relatively early on, we figured just give you a sniper and you can spot people. And then we started realizing that give you a sniper and then they're all at half HP when we fight them. And we're like, well, that's pretty neat. That's kind of nice.

So this is cool. This is Ed at 60 hertz. So that's his first shot. Way off, way off. Terrible. Okay, so he managed to hit him here, I think. No, he missed. Never mind.

So that's a near miss. You've got to scroll down. We can't see the cross. That's the cross. Isn't it? No. Oh, whoops. It's way down here. Sorry. Oh, no, it's a body shot. Body shot. But we were going for the head, so that's a miss. Uh, sorry Ed. That's a miss. That's a miss. We were running at 2.4 sensitivity because Linus thought that the 1.4 was too slow.

Okay, so we were running at more like my preferred mouse sensitive. Why don't you guys just have different? Because we wanted that we wanted the only variable to be refresh rate and gamer So but okay all right, and we had sort of here you but if he had practice we had practice runs, okay? It's still it's a bit. It's a bit ed agreed with the methodology You agreed to it yeah, so now the ship is sailed So anyway, so if you look through here whoops oh Yeah, that was weird, so these are all 60 Hertz runs, and you can see he's like kind of all over the place Compared to my shots.

But watch this. This is his 240 hertz results. Oh, my God. So the way that Ed aims, when we watch his movements, is so different from the way that I aim that the way that 240 hertz benefits him ends up being completely different from the way it benefits me because i am going to watch for my target to move in a consistent manner i'm going to track them and pull the trigger when i'm ready so it took me longer at 60 hertz to do that yeah so you're going to be able to start those

processes a little bit faster and And it makes it easier for, because the animation is smoother, it makes it easier for me to track it. And Ed, because he's trying to flick across it, he's actually got two moving things that he's watching. He's got his crosshair and he's got the target and he's trying to kind of like line them up. The more data you can get into his brain,

the better the chance that he's going to make that shot. And when he doesn't have it, he's like, what year is it? All over the place. And then Gav from Slow Mo Guys, he was fascinating too, but I'm not going to spoil any of that right now. But it is an utterly riveting video. Really, it was a lot of fun you guys

should maybe not this year because we're like legit running out of time yeah but it'd be really cool if you guys did like an aiming workshop at ltx an aiming workshop so you like do this with people at ltx and like show them how they cool i don't think we could get it in time no this doesn't sound like a 2019 thing. This sounds like something where we'd have to really give some thought to the layout of the booth. Like, we'd have to have, like, a few stations and a few phantoms and, like, operators who are trained on how to do it.

And, like, you'd have to kind of come back in an hour or something. Yeah. So we could actually do analysis of your aiming style this is another where like i don't know necessarily who but it would be cool if you worked with a like a pro team and have the pro team break down people's hell yeah that would be really cool best aimer best fps player of all time imo um because ed's not on the mic yeah yeah all right we should probably do some super chats and i think that's pretty much it for the show today guys um other side guy says your thoughts on google stadia and other streaming services silently killing off mod development and mod

installation due to no obvious file access meaning mods that can can meaning mods can't be made or used. Yeah, you know what, it's just one of the disadvantages of moving gaming into the cloud. So disadvantage number one is of course latency. That's the most obvious one. Disadvantage number two is, shoot, oh yeah, right, that you are relying not just on the game service, but also the streaming service in order to continue to have access to your games in some situations. And we're already

running into that a lot. Like there's a ton of games out there that, you know, when it first started happening, I think people didn't think it was a big deal, this transition from dedicated servers that are self-hosted by gamers to community servers that are hosted instead by the game developer. When it first started happening, it didn't seem like a big deal because every game are self-hosted by gamers to community servers that are hosted instead by the game developer when it first started happening it didn't seem like a big deal because every game was still playable but as those ones with developer hosted servers have started to disappear there's like entire there's huge gaps in the history of gaming that simply cannot be experienced anymore um and there's some

teams that have worked really hard to fill those gaps but it's not going to be possible with everything that's right um due to due to various reasons and the stuff that is possible for you're going to have to have a team of people or at least one really dedicated person who are dedicated enough to work through all of that stuff to force it to actually function or a developer slash publisher that is willing to allow it like which has happened like supreme commander um so yeah that's that's yet another problem and then problem number three is yeah yeah modding i think it's uh it's going to be okay it's going to be a problem but i also think it's not going to be as big a problem as those other things are, because quite frankly, the type of people who are willing to settle for a Stadia

like experience, um, with respect to latency and with respect to not owning the software that they buy, um, we're unlikely to start digging around in config files and downloading texture packs. Now, with that said, modding is a lot simpler these days than it used to be thanks to innovations like the Steam Workshop. But I just don't see it being as big of an issue compared to those other two. Just because I think it's kind of a different customer

and we're gonna have a really long overlap between cloud gaming and local gaming just because game developers want the largest possible install base for their software. So, yeah, I think it's going to be a big problem. I just don't think it's a problem yet, and I don't have a solution. Yeah. Other side guy. Where is the TechYes loving for our boy Brian from TechYesCity?

LTX invite. loving for our boy Brian from Tech Yes City, LTX invite. So part of the problem with inviting everyone is that flights and accommodations are really expensive. And part of the problem with including people from way, way overseas is that those flights are particularly expensive. So there was no real like, there's no real discrimination. People who reached out to us early on got budget and people who didn't, didn't in some cases. Like I will say Hardware Canucks has made a huge effort to be there.

They were really late getting back to us, but they ended up agreeing to split the cost with us so that they could be there. So that allowed us to work around our budgetary constraints we did have to stretch a little bit for them but they kicked in so that that's how they're able to be there like we've we've worked with people to make it as easy as possible to have as many creators there as possible but we can't have everyone also i did meet with brian at combi techs oh that's cool yeah uh js the back to use super chats to support free geek question mark um no i think we we

called out people to uh to support free geek directly last week that was sort of the strat um simon love the land show and float plane for ios it's coming yeah it's actually it's been developed in parallel with the android app it's just taking longer to get app store there's some there's a massive amount more hurdles you have to jump to get on app store not this time says do you recommend linux uh depends what you're doing but yeah but your video editor probably not if you're like gonna browse the internet why not oh yeah speaking of os's i'd take over chrome os linux yeah if i have to learn something anyway yeah

dane says last week my five dollar chat was not read oh i said take this five dollars and throw it on the street just toss it there and make that ten dollars now thanks okay specifically you luke apparently oh um yeah or you could just buy food heck yeah instead of throwing it on the street yeah especially because i wasn't going to pass that super chat through to you anyway. Yeah. Because that's not really how it works. Yeah. Borna says, how do you use a VPN to give you money from Croatia?

P.S. Please float plane for Android TV app. There's so much to do. One of the things about making a modern video playing app or website or whatever is that a lot of those platforms or apps or whatever have like 10 trillion features so we're working on it there is actually a lot of features in the app right now there's just also quite a massive pile more to go so there's there's there's features coming right now I believe the main thing that's being worked on is casting um so that's coming that'll be cool already partially works

and there's more stuff coming down the pipeline including dark mode and all this other kind of stuff that people are asking for we are listening it is coming but you gotta give us you gotta give us some time man uh scratter says june 21st 2019 windows will be free to install as per line is three years from now there There it is. Boom. Midland Productions, good evening, you guys. I was wondering your thoughts on something. Would you say SATA SSDs are standard for computer builds now, or have NVMe SSDs surpassed them already?

It depends. On mobile, NVMe is everywhere. But I would still say that SATA is good enough for the vast majority of people. And a lot of the time, you'll see M.2s in laptops and they're still SATA. So it's hard for me to say without like really digging down into people's product stacks. Yeah, like if you're at Best Buy or whatever buying a desktop, I would be surprised if it's got an NVMe drive in it. If it's a laptop, anything sort of premium, like mainstream premium, I'd say is going to be nvme in most cases um frankie g says is amd doing big enough things with their cpus to get linus to use one in his

own rig instead of an intel chip you know what they've got an opportunity but it's going to be a little bit tricky because my personal rig is actually in a separate room, and I use Thunderbolt to a dock to carry my display and all my peripheral signals over a single thin cable. And right now, Thunderbolt is not supported on AMD now. As USB 4, which is Thunderbolt, starts to be picked up by amd motherboards hey now we're talking but as it is um it's not officially supported i do believe wendell from level one techs got it working on some weird msi or gigabyte i want to say yeah and i believe there's a couple different boards that support it now so possibly possibly because i actually undid my last uh cpu upgrade so i'm back on a 5960x so i am still primed and ready for a cpu upgrade and i am waiting to see how it goes

linus looks so small next to luke thanks the gamer cave adam you're the best lines and luke love your channels learning a lot never get rid of dennis too didn't intend to all right i've only got time for a couple more here so ilia says why wasn't there a notification i'm 45 minutes late sorry dog um i blame luke yeah um would it be possible for me to be a beta tester for floatplane as a streamer so we're not really streamer focused. At least not right now. Yet. And it will be a while. Oh, Marshall says, how does Luke feel about Nebula? So you weren't here when we discussed Nebula. No.

It's interesting. I think to a certain degree, more of these types of things in our space is going to normalize this for users and creators, so that's good. I wouldn't have set it up the way they did. Well, obviously. Yeah. I mean, that's like, you're literally building

a video platform, so you didn't. So I would've done it. You would've done it the way you did it. but there are some changes I would have done for float plane if I knew if me and the team knew what we know now there are some things that I would have done differently okay there's there's a lot of things that were done differently there's like a couple primary ones that I would have done differently but but there's some core design philosophies behind how they are handling their video content right that i do not think is a great idea but well i've invited um i've invited one of the creators

onto the show that would be cool so we'll get a chance to talk to them i mean i just think that it's like the way that i see it is you could view us as competitors but we've both we're both such so much smaller fish that like it's better to kind of be aligned yeah yeah at least at this stage in the game yeah that's what i'm saying like Like, we're both rather small. And I think basically everybody in this more specific niche is rather small. And having more of us that are doing well is a good thing. Yes. So I wish them the best. In this risk game, you know, Google has North America and South America.

Amazon is holding on to Europe. You know, who else even exists? Yeah, but what does Microsoft really do in online video? They have a live streaming platform, Mixer. Okay, so Microsoft has Australia. Mixer takes up Northern Ireland. I don't know. And meanwhile, like, you know, Nebula and Floatplane are hanging out in, like, Japan and Kamchatka.

Like, they can't really penetrate North America because it's really heavily fortified. But, like, every turn, they can collect three armies and then take just one country in Asia and then maybe start to collect four once they can get 12 countries. I'm playing Risk with the kid. Clearly. four once they can get 12 countries i'm playing risk with the kid um clearly and you know start to and just have a big enough you know mass of of armies that it's kind of not worth it for any of the big players to come in and take that over but like just kind of keep moving around be like a a roving horde of barbarians you know and bide their time. This analogy has been put really far. Not attack each other.

And then when the time comes to strike, you know, make sure that they're moving together against the incumbents. You know, that's the end of the show. Thanks for watching, guys. See you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye, everybody.

What a crazy show. Can you see the thumbnail? No. Oh, I still can't look at it because it's still technically live. How is it unlisted? I don't even know if it's possible. So we've been doing that because we've been uploading the archives manually. But why would you do the livestream announcement? Oh, why was that? I don't know why that was like that.

That shouldn't have been like that. I knew you could do the live stream announcement. Oh, why was that? No, I don't know why that was like that. That shouldn't have been like that. Sorry, I was thinking that. I knew you could publish them unlisted. I didn't know you could start the stream unlisted.