The WAN Show - SELLING STEAM games!? - WAN Show Sept 20, 2019

Episode Date: September 21, 2019

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Come one, come all to the WAN Show! I hope this computer is working. I haven't actually turned it on yet. Oh boy! And then you're going to get prompted to buy us an update. Did you do it? No, I haven't. I think it might actually just be broken.
Starting point is 00:00:19 Which would be spectacular. We're off to a great start today, guys. Awesome. We've got some interesting, some great, and some weird news. Steam users have the right to sell their digital games, as far as I know, just in France. Or so says a French court. Valve has vowed to fight the ruling.
Starting point is 00:00:36 So we'll see how that goes for them. In other news, UFD Tech is moving out from South Africa back to the United States in order to seek better medical care for his son. We'll be able to discuss that a little bit later. Facebook plans to create an independent oversight board. Oh, yeah. And YouTube just dunked a huge amount of creators' verification badges. Thanks, guys.
Starting point is 00:01:04 I happen to know someone who used to be verified who is no longer verified You probably know I will tell you where I will tell you later. That's my hook. That's my hook intro Almost everyone does honey squarespace and see sonic see sonic a sponsor today yeah cool and See Sonic
Starting point is 00:01:47 Yeah, cool All right, let's go ahead and see if my laptops working and one two. Oh wow We're on we're on we got if we got a show today nice background lucky. Thanks I actually have no idea where that came from. I think it's just one of the windows images. That's probably an HP thing They probably included that makes sense Thanks. I actually have no idea where that came from. I think it's just one of the... Probably Windows Images. No, it's probably an HP thing. They probably included that for me. Oh, that makes sense. So why don't we jump right into the headline topic?
Starting point is 00:02:10 Yes. A French court has ruled that Steam should... Okay, you know what? Here, let's go through our detailed notes first, and then we'll actually discuss. So a new ruling by a french court has the potential to radically alter the way people buy sell and play video games particularly online because the way that we used to buy sell and play video games back in the day of the physical cartridges was already like this um i could go to a store where they, from a manufacturer presumably, receive a shipment of games.
Starting point is 00:02:46 I could buy it. And then once I bought it, yes, it was still governed by a licensing agreement. It was a license for the software. I didn't own it. The source code wasn't mine. But this copy of it was effectively mine to do with as I pleased. I could lend it to you and then I could get it back from you later. I could sell it to you and then never get it back from you.
Starting point is 00:03:15 I could lend it to you and never get it back from you. That happened a lot. That happened a lot. I think I might still have a couple games. I think I might still have a couple games or I could take it back to the store and you know get a trade in credit towards another game I could be a store
Starting point is 00:03:32 whose entire business R.I.P. is to except for willow video games except for willow video games you are such a willow bandit how do they still exist probably me no I haven't even been in those guys. How do they still exist? Probably me. No, I haven't even been in there in months.
Starting point is 00:03:49 But they still rent videos. I know, right? That's a notable amount of their business. It's crazy, isn't it? I have a copy of Fanboys at home that my sister said I should watch. She said I'd like it. I've actually never seen the movie. But it has a Blockbuster sticker on the top of it. so clearly it was one of their rentals at one point.
Starting point is 00:04:05 Anyway, the point is, it used to be that back when the game license was effectively tied to a physical object, there were rules that sort of intrinsically existed, and they still do for physical copies of games. But
Starting point is 00:04:21 for years, French consumer rights group UFC, not that UFC, Que Choisir, have been embroiled in a legal battle with Valve Corporation over several clauses in the company's Steam user agreement, particularly the one that states that you don't actually own games that you purchase on their digital storefront. You are merely subscribing for an undetermined period of time to the games in your library. So here's the thing though. This clause means that Steam users don't have certain basic consumer rights, like for example, the ability to resell the games they buy now.
Starting point is 00:04:58 Valve has gotten quite a bit more flexible over the way that people use their Steam games over the years. I still remember what a big deal it was when Luke figured out that thanks to a new rule from Valve, he could mooch off of the Linus Tech Tips Steam account and play all the latest games because I wouldn't care, because effectively I was getting deeper save games that I could use for benchmarking, and he wins because he gets to play single-player gaming experiences without buying the game.
Starting point is 00:05:31 Yeah. Everyone's a winner. It was great. I was okay with it. I noticed none of your PCs are actually... I think your stream just buys you every game now, don't they? Pretty much. Wow.
Starting point is 00:05:40 You're still a mooch. You found a better way to mooch. I don't even have to ask anymore. I was... Okay, what's that huge new game, Cyberpunk? Cyberpunk's not even going to be out for a while. And I, like, talked on stream for a little bit about how, like, I'll probably be playing that game because it seems really cool. And then someone just bought it for me.
Starting point is 00:05:59 And I was like, oh, great. Sweet. It was awesome. First, you sleep in the bed of the dead guy. Yeah. I haven't replaced that yet. You take all his cutlery. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:13 Okay. Then you have people buying your... I still got his couch. You're not ashamed at all. I still got his couch. His couch is wonderful. It's great. Okay, for context, guys.
Starting point is 00:06:22 And his computer chair. For context, guys, this was an estate sale for Luke's house. It came fully furnished. He didn't, like, steal it or anything. He bought it. It's just a little weird that he kept it all. I didn't keep all of it. I got rid of some of it.
Starting point is 00:06:36 You sold it, didn't you? The stuff that I got rid of was not really worth, like, it wouldn't have, nobody would have bought it. Anywho. So so two valves credit over the years they've actually gotten a lot more flexible with things like uh family sharing which they haven't even locked down the same way that spotify is planning to with their family plan where you're all supposed to be at the same address and stuff so no but they will invalidate it every once in a while they do and you have to be like... Kind of nearby. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:07 But it's nothing that can't be solved with a quick team viewer session. Yeah. So it's not really... They're not aggressive about it. A big deal. Yeah, exactly. They could be locking it down far tighter, and they're not. But something that people have been upset with Valve about for many, many years
Starting point is 00:07:26 is the fact that you can't return a game basically after you've opened it. Although they did loosen that. I think you can play it for like 20 minutes or something now. I forget what it is. Two hours. But I think it's fairly unofficial, but two hours seems to be the like if you ask for a refund within two hours, you'll pretty much just get it kind of limit.
Starting point is 00:07:43 So they've even got more flexible about that, but you cannot resell your games. When you are done with them, they just sit in your library forever. I have like 240 games in my library. I have kind of a fun video that I'm planning coming up. So I might stream, maybe on FlowPlay or something. That would be kind of fun. But I might stream. Yeah, you love, you love.
Starting point is 00:08:03 Anytime I say the F word, you're so happy um but yeah so i might stream it but then also cut it together as a youtube video okay i'm gonna play every unopened game in my steam library every unopened so all zero minute played yeah wow were you on the humble bundle Bundle stuff at all? Oh, yeah. Oh. In the early days. Oh, okay. Yeah, until I realized that my Steam library was just cluttered up with garbage that I've never played. And some gems that I've never played. So we'll find out which is which. Yeah. Very short.
Starting point is 00:08:36 I've never played FTL, for example. I have owned it for like six years. I love that game. I know you do. Yeah. You had some ship or something. You're going to beat some mission. I don't know. It was in your stream. Oh, I did the no shield. I did the know you do. Yeah. You had some ship or something. You're going to beat some mission. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:08:46 It was in your stream. Oh, I did the no shield. I did the no shield challenge. Yeah. Who cares? Who cares? Sounds lame. You're such a nerd.
Starting point is 00:08:53 It was really hard. I'm pretty, yeah. I'm proud of that. Did you do it? I did. Okay. Good job. Thanks.
Starting point is 00:08:58 Nerd. Okay. So, the district court of Paris has struck down the notion that Steam sells subscriptions. According to the court, Steam sells game licenses, much in the same way that you owned a game license back when you bought a disc, or that you own a movie license when you buy a Blu-ray or whatever the case may be, and that consumers ought to have the right to do what they want with them.
Starting point is 00:09:26 The court also took Valve to task for other practices, like holding onto Steam wallet funds when players leave the platform, their unclear moderation policies, not accepting responsibility if users' computers are harmed by software, even betas sold on their platform. Now, the legal battle isn't over yet. Our notes say Valve is certain to appeal which is an indication that these notes were done in the morning because valve has already said they are going to appeal um and it's a and like regardless of the outcome of valve's appeal this could set off a series of similar challenges across the eu and therefore potentially elsewhere in the world and this is big
Starting point is 00:10:06 too UFC cush was yours has said that they plan to directly challenge other digital products and platforms so I mean another great example of this to my knowledge once you have activated it there's no way to sell a Windows 10 license yeah they could end up going after freaking microsoft what and that would actually be pretty funky yeah a lot of this would be really funky what do you think um i want i want like kind of two different answers one gaming platforms steam origin you play all that kind of stuff. Sure. To? Software.
Starting point is 00:10:46 All other software. Okay. Gaming platforms. I, as a consumer. Do you want me as a consumer, me as a business owner? Which hat should I wear? I think it's an overall. What do you think is best for, like, the world?
Starting point is 00:11:02 You're going to get different hats? I like it. That works. Is that your business owner hat about me as santa this gives me less to give away so i'm i'm gonna i'm gonna go with um santa's kind of a business owner right okay okay so as a business owner it's goods um I see games as, okay, I see the inability of people to resell games as necessary to enable the ongoing existence of certain gaming experiences. Okay. And I'm going to explain affected by this because for the entire lifespan that COD is still actively being purchased, like a particular COD game, it's all about the multiplayer experience. Nobody's buying a COD game in order to play through the single-player campaign and then be done the game.
Starting point is 00:12:00 You pick it up every once in a while. I'm sure there's three of you. Don't freak out. Yeah, yeah. All dozens of you, don't freak out yeah, all dozens of you, sorry so something like a Dota 2 where obviously the business
Starting point is 00:12:12 model has moved on, right? from the single purchase and then people just play against each other like forever paradigm, like that's not sustainable unless you do, you know, community-created servers, much like older games used to.
Starting point is 00:12:30 Yeah, so it's free. Dota 2? Yeah. Yeah. I know. Okay. Yeah, no, that's why I was using Dota 2 as an example of something that has moved on from the paradigm of a single purchase,
Starting point is 00:12:40 and then the developer just kind of going, okay, the game's done. We're going gonna make our next game we're gonna make dota 3 right like that that paradigm is sort of a sort of it's not dead but many genres have moved past it particularly in the multiplayer space yeah but what about single player what do they do they have to either do i mean you know what i'm not going to call them DLCs. I'm going to call them expansion packs because for whatever reason, expansion pack is still an okay word to say, but DLC is a dirty one. They're the same damn thing. So single player could do DLCs. They could add extra dungeons or campaigns or characters or equipment, and they could expand on the game and
Starting point is 00:13:21 get you to keep contributing towards their development efforts that way. Or they could expand on the game and get you to keep contributing towards their development efforts that way. Or they could move on to the next game and say, okay, that game is done. And the problem with that is that I think for a lot of consumers, they're kind of done with that game once they've played through it. Because I don't know about you, but for me, I don't find that any single player experience has ever kept me in for very long by just throwing more DLCs or more expansion packs at me.
Starting point is 00:13:54 It's extremely uncommon that I'll even go back. Like a new DLC will come out or whatever, I'm not going to go back for a DLC. Like back in the Warcraft days, I'd buy an expansion because it's an entirely different freaking game. Sort of. Warcraft 2.
Starting point is 00:14:10 Frozen Throne was. Okay, Warcraft 3, yes. Warcraft 2, I would make the argument that, what is it, Beyond the Dark Portal is not a different game. It's like some maps. Oh, okay. See, but that's something I wouldn't come back for.
Starting point is 00:14:23 Right. So in that situation, it's very unlikely I't come back for right so in that situation i it's very unlikely and even a game that is it's very hard for me to say this because final fantasy 6 holds a very special place in my heart but even for a game that is arguably my favorite game of all time breath of the wild is a great game i didn't even bother to play the dlc it's like no i beat ganon i'm done yeah um it feels and it also feels very weird coming back to those games so here's the problem um particularly games that are story like narrative driven games are kind of done once you finish the narrative content
Starting point is 00:14:58 um and in the old days a lot of the time, games were kind of simpler. Like something like a Pilotwings, First Nest. Did you ever play Pilotwings? Yeah. Pilotwings is pretty awesome. I didn't play it back in the day, actually, but I've played it more recently. It was more about like playing fun little minigames. It was a pack of minigames.
Starting point is 00:15:16 And so there's no story or anything. So, you know, I don't feel like as a game developer, I'm at risk of, I feel like this argument has gotten very meandering. I'm very sorry. feel like as a game developer, I'm at risk of, I feel like this argument has gotten very meandering. I'm very sorry. The point is, depending on the gaming experience, there is no way for a game developer to incentivize players
Starting point is 00:15:35 who have already made their lump sum purchase and own the game to keep playing it and keep wanting to own it. There's just no practical way to do it. And the unfortunate thing about digital distribution is that digital distribution works not just for a game publisher, but also for a user. So if there's a way for me to effectively become a digital distributor of my personal game library then the advantage of digital distribution is that you've got this
Starting point is 00:16:10 enormous customer base so back in the day it wasn't as much of a concern because the barriers that naturally existed for physical media like finding a buyer and shipping a physical game cartridge to someone or delivering it to their house made it less prevalent. Whereas now, the ease with which you could resell something and flip it, effectively reducing the original seller's ability to sell another copy to that person is incredible. the original seller's ability to sell another copy to that person is incredible. So what happens to the game developers who now really will?
Starting point is 00:16:53 Like, I don't have to do a study to prove this. It's very obvious. The game developers who really will sell many, many fewer copies of their games if they happen to be a style of gameplay that lends itself to playing through once, being done with it, and just wanting to get rid of it. Like this game I just brought up, VVVVVV. It was one of the old school
Starting point is 00:17:15 Humble Bundle games. There's billions of these out here. My stream gave away probably, potentially in the hundreds because I've had this weird thing that we used to do. If everyone that had this game suddenly was like, I'm just gonna sell it.
Starting point is 00:17:30 You right click on it, you click sell, go ah, put it.1% under current undercut market value, whatever, let's go. It's gonna be a couple pennies. Right now it's selling for $5.49. That developer is just gonna get nothing from what they made now. So digital is like too
Starting point is 00:17:46 easy so there is an argument to be made remember i have my uh my like game developer publisher i have my business hat on right now um so so from from a business person from a consumer perspective here i think i need a new hat one moment please what's the consumer gonna be um you could like low-key mock them and wear a clown hat? I was thinking about it, but I'm going to go with this. Nice. Okay, so from a consumer perspective, that's not my problem. Really good choice.
Starting point is 00:18:18 True, yeah. You developed your game, and you got paid for it. And what, you want to be paid for this game forever? Get a job. Make a new game no no I mean come up with a new idea I want more games to play I'm done playing this game I paid my money I should get something back for it cuz I'm done with it I don't need this anymore I think it would hurt indie games a lot which makes me sad that makes me not want to be on board okay so i'll just be me now as as consumer hat that's me being consumer hat so my favorite game in the last i don't know year whatever i'll pick an
Starting point is 00:18:58 arbitrary period of time ever since i played breath of the wild um who is uh an indie game it's very small very small development studio that made a game called CrossCode. Did you ever play it? I played it a little bit. You suck. Okay, so CrossCode is like an old school JRPG style game, but it's actually, I think,
Starting point is 00:19:17 a mostly western development game. I've played it since then. I just haven't played it a ton because I told you I don't want to play it on stream. It doesn't feel like a stream game. That's fine. You just suck. That's going to take me forever to finish it. It's fine that you suck. Like, it's cool. That's your life choice.
Starting point is 00:19:31 What a jerk. Anyway, sorry. So really small development studio. And they're actually, these guys are so incredible because they're actually still adding content to the game, guys are so incredible because they're actually still adding content to the game even though the you know initial rush of people buying it is is clearly far from over and they're doing free dlc they're not asking for any additional money for it um there's no subscription fee to pay it pay it there's nothing like that it's one and done and they keep adding content super cool guys um i don't know how they could possibly survive
Starting point is 00:20:06 if people were able to sell this game once they were done with it because it's very narrative and character-driven. And now that I've finished, I might do a couple arena challenges, but that's not going to entertain me. I'm sitting here, bated breath, for CrossCode 2, which will probably take another seven years or however long the first one took them. So the
Starting point is 00:20:30 thing is that while they did probably make a bunch of money on this game, developing it, selling it, the Feast and Famine game development model is not sustainable. That has been basically proven where you where you invest really heavily in something and you're you're kind of you're running on fumes by the time
Starting point is 00:20:55 it's finally time to release it you get this huge influx of money and then you go okay i want to hear everyone's best pitch what's the next gigantic gamble that we take that is either going to make us or break us as a company? Okay, go. Let's do it again. That is not sustainable. So I actually, you know what? I'm going to say it. I'm going to say that the benefits of digital distribution, things like Steam Summer Sales,
Starting point is 00:21:28 which maybe haven't been that great in recent years, but certainly are a better deal than it used to be going to the local London Drugs and buying a game. So the fact that discounts are so readily available, the fact that cloud autosaves are a thing, wow, they're amazing. I love it. What else can you think of that's great about digital distribution?
Starting point is 00:21:48 The fact that you can buy a game in the middle of the night and then just play it immediately. It's freaking awesome. Library sync. So like, oh, you set up a new laptop. It doesn't have a disk drive. You can just download all your things immediately. You don't have to worry about it. Yep.
Starting point is 00:22:03 Digital rights management. And I don't mean that from a restrictive sense. I mean that from a management sense. So having the digital rights to share my game library with Luke so he can play that game if I'm not playing it right now. I am going to go ahead and say that from my perspective, the benefits of digital distribution have been so great that I am willing to give up my right to sell games.
Starting point is 00:22:28 I can see how you could make an argument the other way. I kind of wish there was a solid alternative. Like I wish that I could go out and buy more physical copies of games. I've brought that up a lot, and I would do that for a lot of games. There's a lot of games where I'm like, I'm fairly certain I'm gonna like this a lot of games there's a lot of games where I'm like I'm fairly
Starting point is 00:22:45 certain I'm gonna like this a lot and it's not gonna necessarily be super popular with everybody so I want to buy it so I can hand it to my friend so he can go play it and then in a lot of cases being adults now if I can tell they're really interested I might even be like hey give it back and then they have to buy it themselves if I want to support the company very much or whatever. That's another thing that sometimes it's hard for me to keep track of is that I am an adult now. I have a real job, sort of. But the point is I make enough money
Starting point is 00:23:14 that spending $50 or $60 or $20 or whatever it is on a game periodically is not a huge deal for me. And I guess that's where you have to try to like how do you like how do you solve i've tried to be somewhat reasonable about certain things like rocket league i've played a crazy amount of rocket league yeah so every once in a while i'll be i'll buy one of their like past things right but i don't buy them all the time well only if i'm gonna play like a lot for a while because i'm like okay well, well, I got way more, massively more value out of the original purchase than I probably should have.
Starting point is 00:23:51 So I'll throw them a few extra bones. Now they're part of Epic, so I don't care that much. What I'm thinking about is more like back in the day when I was a student and I wasted all my money on my computer hardware, so I didn't have any money for games. You know, not having that as an option kind of sucks but then again that was right around the time like my like early university days late high school days was right around the time steam started to actually gain some traction yeah um and i switched over pretty quickly not completely because every once in a while a physical copy of the game would be cheaper So I own far cry for example on five CDs That's amazing yeah, it's so stupid
Starting point is 00:24:37 Actually, I think that was slightly before steam took anyway It doesn't matter the point is there's like games from after the steam era that I like own on like a bunch of CDs or something stupid. I couldn't find the DVD copy. But by and large, I did switch to buying them digitally, even though I didn't have a ton of money at the time. But I would just wait for them to be on sale. It's just that a lot of the time, because the physical media business, the physical games business was struggling so much, they were doing deeper discounts than digital, which made no sense because like a physical item had to be like stamped and boxed and shipped somewhere.
Starting point is 00:25:11 Yeah. And warehoused. Yeah, I think the most frustrating series of time for me was when they first started shifting over to like, oh, you buy the physical copy and there isn't even a disc in it. There's just a code in the box. That was dumb. That was pretty funny.
Starting point is 00:25:27 And I think they're, like, still doing that. And that's just stupid. I remember working at NCIX. We'd be doing, like, a game promo partnered with Intel or NVIDIA or whatever where your graphics card would come with a free game. And, like, it would come with a box that would just have a Steam code. And we're like, why are we shipping this? Are you guys idiots?
Starting point is 00:25:47 Yeah. Stop. Can you just give me a piece of paper? Yeah, coupons came later. That was great. That was a really good thing. All right. Someone in chat, Luke,
Starting point is 00:26:00 I'm suing Bethesda over that exact issue. You're suing them? Go ham. Good luck. Yeah, ZeniMax is a pretty experienced litigator as companies go. They're pretty down to fight in courts. Yeah. So good luck, everybody.
Starting point is 00:26:21 Yeah. All right. Speaking of good luck, everybody, wishing the best to UFD Tech. Brett's going to be moving his family back to the United States in order to seek better medical care for his son. So Brett's son has Syngap1. Basically, it's a disorder that causes seizures and has been very challenging for them to treat.
Starting point is 00:26:42 This situation is developing very quickly. So the family has been forced to move very abruptly. He released a video. You guys should go check it out. We've actually got a link down below. There's a bunch of ways that you can help out Brett. One of them is he's got a GoFundMe. Another one is he's on Patreon. Another one is, of course, you can subscribe on Floatplane. He also does streams on Twitch, UF Disciple. They have merch over on Teespring. But basically, their plan is to be back in the U.S. by the end of the year, maybe sooner. They're moving to Florida, where there's better doctors available for his condition.
Starting point is 00:27:19 However, this is going to be a period like... I don't get the impression that he's asking for a handout um brett's one of those guys that uh whatever you might think about the content not everybody likes it that's fine that's cool but brett's one of those guys that has clearly reinvested um a lot of his youtube earnings in his business trying to make ufd tech a real business um so i don't think that this is just a cynical cash grab or anything. I think that they really do need some funds in order to help them get through this transition because it's going to be very difficult, not just for Brett and his family,
Starting point is 00:27:55 but for the other members of the UFD team. At this time, none of the other members of their team have U.S. visas. So he's basically been selling all the camera equipment. It looks like he's going to have to disband the team. So his channel, I'd be surprised if he doesn't come back making videos again at some point. I mean, you got to have a job. You got to support your family, especially if you're getting medical care in the US. So I'm sure there's going to be videos, but, you know, they might take on a bit of a different form and they might need a little bit of help bridging the gap here.
Starting point is 00:28:32 So I'm not much of a I'm not I'm not Mr. Beast. I'm not going to be like surprising random Twitch streamers with donations live or anything, but I'll be making a personal contribution. And I just thought I'd bring it up on the stream so that you guys are aware of the situation. I mean, the tech, whether it's Austin's house burning down or what's going on right now with UFD Tech, I think the tech tuber community has sort of an,
Starting point is 00:28:56 I wouldn't call it an obligation, but has a tendency to kind of stick together and support each other. So just want to make sure that you guys know what's going on down there. They're doing pretty, the only numbers I can, I can see or say publicly, cause I guess we have float planes.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Um, but the only numbers I can say publicly as far as I know is the GoFundMe one. And they're at like almost 53,000 now. Wow. That's awesome. Of a $10,000 goal. That's a big deal. But again,
Starting point is 00:29:24 medical stuff in America. So that's like, Of a $10,000 goal. That's a big deal. But again, medical stuff in America. So that's like three hours, I think. Well, I actually don't know. I know that it's ridiculous. Yeah, I have no clue. I don't know how to scale that at all. I remember finding out how much it costs to have a baby in America.
Starting point is 00:29:40 I was like, what? It was free here. Yeah. Well, I mean, nothing's free. You probably had to pay for parking. Yeah, like I, yeah. Oh, yeah. And parking at the hospital? Phew.
Starting point is 00:29:50 It's expensive. It's actually a nightmare. But like in the grand scheme of things, it was, you know, over the six day period or whatever, and plus people visiting, it's like 70 bucks or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Grand scheme of things, nothing compared to like tens of thousands of dollars, which is apparently what it costs down in the States if you are not insured. Do you even have to pay for food?
Starting point is 00:30:08 Because they, like, feed you in the hospital, right? They probably feed, like, the admitted. I mean. Like, maybe you had to get your own food? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I had to pay for my own food, of course. Yeah, yeah. Only the person in the hospital bed gets food.
Starting point is 00:30:22 Yeah. But even that, like, wow. Okay. Yeah. So, pretty, like, wow, okay. Yeah. So pretty crazy stuff. Guys, best of luck. Speaking of best of luck... Best of luck making a fantastic website for yourself on Squarespace.
Starting point is 00:30:42 We use Squarespace. Amazing. No joke, we really do. LinusMediaGroup.com and LTXExpo.com are both built on Squarespace. We use Squarespace. No joke. We really do. LinusMediaGroup.com and LTXExpo.com are both built using Squarespace really quickly. They don't represent the best that you can do on Squarespace, but they represent what you can do
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Starting point is 00:32:14 That is the worst. Whatever. See Sonic. They make great power supplies. They've got 80 plus titanium power supplies. I don't even know what specific model we're talking about here. It's not in here. But is there one around here dang it which one is it whatever they are great power supplies they make great power supplies they've got everything from fully modular
Starting point is 00:32:36 power supplies to ones with hybrid fan operations so they're silent under very low loads they use high quality fans they offer up to a 12 year warranty on their 80 plus titanium units um they're awesome check them out at seasonic.com or at amazon at the link in the video description we love seasonic stuff it's good stuff all right now this is a fun topic yeah youtube has slashed the verification the verified user roster every once in a while youtube just comes in out of nowhere and is like and gives us a golden gift here's what you needed delivered perfectly to your doorstep um yeah so i don't know do you want to before okay before we get into youtube canning verification badges for a bunch of users,
Starting point is 00:33:27 you have some updates on Floatplane that you can share, right? You guys are on target to hit your target in 10 days? We were talking about... I want to know what's actually going to be live in 10 days. You have to commit to the people. I think it's less than 10 days. It's 10-ish. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:33:42 I'm pretty sure that's how it works. That's 10. I don't know why I counted through them all. I know how many days it is. Yeah. So no one on the team has told me there will be a problem with anything yet. Speak now or forever hold your seat. He's giving you the gap here.
Starting point is 00:33:55 This happens every time. We have freaking problems every time. But no one has said there's going to be a problem this time. So we're launching yearly payments, which people have been asking for for freaking ever. Yeah, because we used to have them back when it was running through the forum. Not that they actually worked correctly.
Starting point is 00:34:14 Worked, but we technically have them. So we're launching yearly payments. What else is even coming? Comment moderation, which shouldn't matter to any of you guys, but that's coming. Just saying. What's this?
Starting point is 00:34:28 Four? Four. One. Four. Fourteen. You're tallying things? Angled. Less than four.
Starting point is 00:34:46 4K! 4K is coming! Okay, sorry. I didn't get that. The other part was supposed to be a line. It's a K in American Sign Language. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K. I don't know American Sign Language.
Starting point is 00:35:03 Yeah, don't worry about it. It kind of looks like a K-ish. But there's no line. Just chill. Yeah, whatever. It's cool. 4K is coming. Okay, so 4K is coming, but it has to be, like, turned on by the creators, and they're probably
Starting point is 00:35:17 going to want to add additional plans that, like, cost more to turn that on. So 4K is going to be ready platform wise right away but i don't know how long it's going to take until things actually like come out on the platform at 4k and until you're able to actually like see it and stuff um and then some back end stuff is being worked on and i think that's sort of it sweet yeah yeah uh apparently they backtracked the verification badge thing while we've been on stream that's amazing hold on a second how do you just do that like you already told people like you're not worthy and you're like wait no it's cool you totally are don't worry about it uh okay hold on youtube backtracks two hours ago. This is great. On taking badges away from creators after outcry.
Starting point is 00:36:06 Okay, so why don't we start at the beginning? YouTube is ticking off creators again. And I had teased at the beginning of the stream that I actually know someone who had their eligibility for their verification badge stripped, stripped away! None other than our very own... Yeah, you're still...
Starting point is 00:36:35 There you go. I'm good now, right? I think so. None other than our very own and dear Taryn Van Hemert. This is Taryn Van Hemert's badge verification removal notification email notification. There you go. That was sent to him by Messenger Pigeon.
Starting point is 00:36:58 Don't scroll up. By YouTube. Don't scroll up. Oh, yeah, no, I won't. Informing him that they're updating the eligibility criteria for channel verification on YouTube. Unfortunately with these changes, your channel no longer meets the criteria to be verified. It used to be that anything over, I think, 100,000 subscribers could be verified. We realize this might be disappointing, but we believe these updates will make channel verification more consistent for users and creators across YouTube.
Starting point is 00:37:25 Please keep reading to learn more about the changes and what you can do. What's changing? YouTube will now proactively verify channels instead of accepting requests for verification badges. We aim to verify channels that represent a well-known or highly searched creator, artist, public figure, or company with the clear need to differentiate themselves
Starting point is 00:37:41 from other channels with a similar name, and you basically are a nobody. So, channels are typically verified if they have a large audience and community on YouTube, are widely recognized outside of YouTube, or have a strong presence online, or have a channel name that could be confused
Starting point is 00:37:54 with other channels on YouTube. The goal is to help channels avoid impersonation, help viewers understand if the channel or the official presence is the official presence of the creator, celebrity, or brand that it represents. It does not represent endorsements or awards from YouTube. So what this means is you can go F yourself, basically. You can appeal it.
Starting point is 00:38:13 You could appeal it. That was a thing they offered. I want to re-air some garbage here for a second. I'm not verified on Twitter, which I don't actually really care about. I'm not verified on Twitter. I know. Yeah. The thing that really pisses me off about it
Starting point is 00:38:25 is there is an account. Do you know about this? There's an account that has my exact name. Just one of the letters is alpha coded. Yeah. And I don't know which one it is. I don't remember. So it looks just like me.
Starting point is 00:38:38 It is a bot. So it dynamically changes its cover photo and avatar photo to whatever I set mine to. And it copies every single tweet I make and then randomly inserts racist ones. And it follows everyone that I follow. So they get notifications saying this person just followed you. And then they check it out. And it's not me.
Starting point is 00:39:02 Luckily, a non-insignificant amount of them have been like, this doesn't seem right and have figured it out and it's not me yeah luckily a non insignificant amount of them have been like this doesn't seem right and have figured it out which is great but like what you're not a white supremacist I mean what fired frankly I'm disappointed look like a white supremacist I just it's just so but like they I told Twitter that and they were like Like this is the whole reason why verification exists. Yeah, and it's important and it should be you so we're not saying Twitter's system is correct No But this isn't the right response probably isn't the right way to go about it and venom lost his he's like over three million subscribers
Starting point is 00:39:42 so basically they just determined he like lost his he has like over three million subscribers so basically they just determined he like doesn't matter they were like minecraft became less popular so screw you i guess you've had like toys in stores but nah i mean isn't minecraft popular again it is it's booming yet again i mean here i'm gonna creep him just because i'm like curious and stuff this is like this is basically what we all do on the content creation side. We just like creep each other on social blade so Subscribers for the last 30 days He's growing. Yeah, he's actually growing Monthly gained video views. Oh wow. Yeah, he's growing cuz minecraft is cuz minecraft back and I mean
Starting point is 00:40:22 He made a video a long time ago being like, why I'm still going to make Minecraft videos. And he's just like, I just really like Minecraft. So he's like the Minecraft guy. Because a lot of people bailed on Minecraft when it started becoming less popular. But he stuck around. So that's cool. Yeah, he like rode that out for like years. Still.
Starting point is 00:40:41 No, I mean rode out that dip. Oh, yeah. Like there was a years-long dip in minecraft popularity like he struggled yeah but he's growing good on you man and then they took it away from him anyways um anyway uh they took away um lots people twitter's just covered in it right now so basically okay so epos yeah basically what i think youtube kind of missed here is that the verification tick is like um it's like a it's badge of honor it's kind of like getting a 100 000 subscriber plaque or or whatever else it's not necessarily from a creator standpoint it's not necessarily about um you know making i mean there
Starting point is 00:41:28 is a practical component to it like luke said with that twitter bot that's yeah that spams like racist stuff yeah um so there's a practical component to it but there's also just like a pride component to it and there's really no reason to not verify someone because I think that the name of it is right in there. Verified. That's all it is. There's no reason to not verify a creator unless they aren't who they say they are.
Starting point is 00:41:58 It doesn't say endorsed by. Yeah, it just says verified. Yes, this is the actual Antvenom. Or yes, this is the actual Terran Van Heemert. So if you you know, you can be a bad person and have a passport Yeah, exactly. Like it's not It's not the country being like this person is fantastic. I Mean Taron has 56,000 followers on Twitter, which maybe isn't a big deal in 2019 from YouTube's perspective with their two billion unique users every month or whatever it is now.
Starting point is 00:42:30 But that's enough that literally thousands of people could be confused if there was a Taron Van Heemert on YouTube and it was not the same one as the Taren Van Hemert on Twitter. Yeah. And there was some kind of strangeness like, oh, this Taren Van Hemert doesn't like macros. What? They hate macros. It's so weird. And like, it's not that hard either. Like, it's the same tags and everything.
Starting point is 00:43:01 It says where he works. Well, hold on a minute. I'm sure people can spoof things. You can buy followers and stuff. It says where he works. Well, hold on a minute. I'm sure people can spoof things. You can buy followers and stuff. It could be hard. If they get it wrong, I do see how them saying it's verified is kind of putting their seal of, yes, we verified it on it. Have you ever heard of that? Okay, that's the other.
Starting point is 00:43:18 Well, I don't know. Just because I haven't heard of it doesn't mean it's not a problem. That's true. So there was an unlisted channel that was buying fake ads on YouTube, promoting like an iPhone giveaway or something, using my face in their thumbnail. But because the channel and the videos were unlisted, that the ad campaign was linked to, it was not immediately obvious to YouTube's team that this was happening.
Starting point is 00:43:44 So it was only actually thanks to one of our very helpful users out there who tweeted me a video ID that I could forward to them that I was able to find it and report it to them. They had the channel shut down. They couldn't find it? Well, they couldn't find it because I didn't have a video ID. They couldn't use their content ID system to find your face on purchased advertisements? It was on a thumbnail.
Starting point is 00:44:07 Like, just because they have, like, content ID and then, like... But it was purchased ads and it was just in the thumbnail? And then, like, content analysis for, like, what type of content it is. Or, like, content classification for what type of user it might be good for. These are all completely disconnected systems. They only use you in the thumbnail? And it was an app? I didn't watch the video.
Starting point is 00:44:28 It was only sent to me. But yes, apparently they just used me in the thumbnail. They used me holding up an iPhone as the thumbnail for the banner or something. Anyway, the point is it was kind of difficult to track down unless they were actually served it and actually clicked it and got a video ID. So thanks to one of our users who brought that to my attention, and they're working on improving their systems. I just mean, just because nobody ever heard of something like that happening doesn't mean
Starting point is 00:44:56 it wasn't a problem. I don't fully see how that's related. I just mean, just because you never heard it. I agree with the concept. I don't really understand how the story works in there. Oh, well, the story is just that here's a thing that happened that you wouldn't have heard about. No one would have heard about.
Starting point is 00:45:12 So in much the same way, there could have been a situation where YouTube verified someone by accident because they had a lot of subscribers, and then that turned out to be spam or fake or exploitative. Did the unlisted channel have a lot of subscribers? What? No, no, that doesn't matter. That's not the point.
Starting point is 00:45:28 The point is that something could happen. I'm sure it could be, because you could buy followers on like any platform. Sure. So just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean it wasn't a problem. And the point of my story was that YouTube will deal with weird edge cases
Starting point is 00:45:41 that you wouldn't even think of. On their side, the weird edge cases are happening all the time. Because, yeah, exactly. So they might see a lot of weird edge cases around these verified badges that have caused enough problems that they went,
Starting point is 00:45:56 this isn't worth it. We can't deal with this anymore. I think what they should maybe do in that case is just maybe increase the barrier to become verified not necessarily in terms of you need this many subs or whatever but like make the process just a little bit more difficult a little bit more involved but then don't make it impossible don't make it twitter or as far as i've heard it's like one person and as far as i can tell
Starting point is 00:46:21 they're just super biased because they biased. Because the accounts that get verified and the accounts that don't get verified are just wild. I've seen verified accounts of just absolute nobodies on the local morning news thing with 3,000 followers. I've seen ones where they're not trying to be a public figure at all and they have a verified badge. I've had people send me ones where it's like they have like 40 followers. Which like, that's totally fine.
Starting point is 00:46:50 But the point, they're not trying to do anything. Yeah. What? Who cares? And if them, why not these other people? Yeah. I'm pretty sure I still don't have one on my personal Twitter. I don't think you do.
Starting point is 00:47:04 Linus Tech does. Yeah. And that took forever. Yeah. I'm pretty sure I still don't have one on my personal Twitter. I don't think you do. Linus Tech does. Yeah. And that took forever. Yeah. That took a really long time. Yeah, no. My personal one doesn't have it. Maybe they don't like my profile picture.
Starting point is 00:47:18 Linus Cat Tips now features editing. I heard of it. I got Adobe Rush because I have Creative Cloud anyway. I might as well use at least one program in the entire suite. So it's actually not bad. And with the stylus on the Note,
Starting point is 00:47:35 all of a sudden, I have a reason to care about my stylus to be anything other than a selfie remote shutter. So that's fantastic. That's cool. It actually was pretty easy to do like just just basic stuff just adding a title here and there and chopping up clips and stuff i have the most epic video that i'm going to be uploading on the cat tips channel in the next little bit
Starting point is 00:47:55 maybe they won't like it because your name is still that very old very dead meme yeah i plan to keep it like that for quite some time yvonne's hilarious my wife she's so funny because she's always like why do you do these things why do you behave in this way because she was like isn't that kind of like past now i'm like yeah she's like shouldn't you change it like no no she's like but it's not funny i'm like yeah that's what's funny about it she's like can you please just not i thought it's funny for a while can you just not like when when when tim apple is long forgotten when that when that is when when you know trump is no longer president even when it's just completely dead that will still be my username and to the vast majority of people who've completely forgotten everything about it
Starting point is 00:48:49 it'll just make no sense and like probably no one's gonna mention it because like they don't want to they don't want to seem like maybe this is just something really new and I don't know about it yet yeah that's like my favorite my favorite my favorite my favorite kind of humor all right check check this out check this out no one else gets to see this no that's really cute and i just really don't understand. Cats are so foreign to me. Cats are so ridiculous. They're just like the dumbest animals ever.
Starting point is 00:49:29 Here's something to enjoy while I introduce our next topic. That one's going to go up probably after the other one. All right, what else we got here? Facebook to create an independent oversight board. So Facebook has unveiled its plan to create an independent oversight board. So Facebook has unveiled its plan to create an independent oversight board to make decisions over how the network is moderated. The panel will have the power to override decisions that Facebook makes over contentious material and influence new policy. The panel will hear its first cases in 2020 and their decisions will be made public. The idea dubbed the facebook supreme court
Starting point is 00:50:08 at this point should they just should they just say should they just say it out right we're basically as influential as a country let's just become a country yeah um we'll eventually be composed of 40 people around the world, but we'll launch with 11 members, and the names of those appointed will be made public. Experts have questioned. This is great. I love this.
Starting point is 00:50:33 The board's independence, as well as the motivation behind this move. This is a great quote. The only vote that really counts is the majority shareholder, Mark Zuckerberg. The board will be paid via a trust setup and funded by Facebook up front. So Facebook is basically creating... I mean, this is government-level stuff.
Starting point is 00:50:55 The government appointing its own ethics watchdog is exactly the same as Facebook appointing its own ethics watchdog. And having someone who can veto anyways. Yeah. This is just great. Well, I like it. I kind of think there's this whole massive game of chicken going on right now. Between the, like, the, what do you call them?
Starting point is 00:51:15 The Fang, what is it? Fang AM companies or something? It's like Facebook, Apple, Netflix, Google, Microsoft, Amazon. Yeah, okay. I said it slightly wrong. Fang them. Fang them, whatever. I think there's a giant game of chicken going on for the first one to buy a country.
Starting point is 00:51:34 For the first one to just be like, screw it. This is Amazon. This is Apple land. Yeah. This is Amazon the Amazon brought to you by Amazon. Yeah. No, it's not burning. Okay.
Starting point is 00:51:49 Which everyone forgot about. So here's a fun topic. Would you move to Google's country? I don't know. Because it would be interesting because it would be probably the first time where like Because it would be interesting, because it would be probably the first time where, like, citizenship, acquiring citizenship somewhere would probably be a lot easier. I actually doubt it. I think acquiring citizenship would be more difficult.
Starting point is 00:52:19 Because I've, okay, you know this. I've thought about this. If I were to create a city. Yeah, I still want you to make your city. I've never aspired to a country. I still think you should do it. If I were to make a city, I would be doing it to keep out idiots. We've had this conversation where he has to tell me to shut up because I keep telling him to make a city.
Starting point is 00:52:40 I just think it would be awesome. But, yeah. No, okay. Yeah. And I think. But, like, with your thing, you could probably, like, go take a test or like do something right there would be like an actionable item and then you could to get in. Okay, so I might have phrased that incorrectly.
Starting point is 00:53:15 What I mean is, instead of, like, waiting in a queue forever, or the current, like, America to Canada situation, which is where, like, in a lot of situations you just can't. Yeah. current like America to Canada situation which is where like in a lot of situations you just can't yeah there would be probably things that you could do or things that you could prove or whatever or what if there wasn't what if it was like verification super biased dialing the phone, being like, sup? Calling random people. Do you want a passport? Or the Google method. What if they were like, come on in.
Starting point is 00:53:54 Actually, you know what? Piss off. You actually. Get out. Wait, you're mad? You can stay. Yeah, yeah. So. Oh, you already sold all your can stay. Yeah, yeah. So...
Starting point is 00:54:05 Oh, you already sold all your stuff? Yeah, too bad. Okay, so I want to show you something amazing. Let me see if I can find the official form for it. Malta? Malta's hilarious. If you just pay them, like, I'm pretty sure they have... I think I've heard about this.
Starting point is 00:54:27 ...officially on their website somewhere. Like the country of Malta. Yeah. Malta Citizenship by Investment Program. There it is. Yeah. Hold on, let me bring up your... But this isn't the actual... Oh, your computer's not working.
Starting point is 00:54:36 This isn't the actual form, anyways. Oh, okay, but there's just a form? But, no, it's like, oh, you give us 100 grand, and here's some passports. What? It's amazing. Oh, Lordy. But I can't find.
Starting point is 00:54:52 And to be clear, the point of this whole thing is it gives you EU citizenship. So it has an impact on, it's far more impactful than just having a Malta passport. So there's a difference between like i want to be a resident for a year and like i want to be and i want to be like forever z's so it sounds like one year uh 90 day visa free travel to all european countries um one year residency in malta all that kind of stuff that's 24 000 euros but if you want like a passport and you want to be like there i think it's main applicants are required to make a 650 000 euro contribution okay so that's a lot then i mean to me i guess but it's like there's people that's nothing to some other amount of money for all of your dependents or whatever but you can just be like yeah whatever i'm an eu citizen yeah done yeah that's amazing
Starting point is 00:55:47 um so like certain kind of versions of that kind of exist but it's purely financial right now okay i'm going to play devil's advocate now with our whole um you know facebook country okay here yeah what's the difference why would they want okay so yes you know the rules might be stupid and you might not have the privacy that you value and the rules are already stupid you already don't have oh that's what no i know yeah so i think evon lines like vision of the future has been awkwardly accurate for a long time. We're just everything's corporations. And you just apply to a different corporation.
Starting point is 00:56:31 It is impossible to not be in a corporation in that game. And you just apply to other corporations to transfer over. And your employment history is public to everyone for your entire lifespan. I think from the minute you are born, you are employed by a corporation. And then you just bounce around from there on. Okay. This leads me to another great topic. On the subject of your family being a corporation.
Starting point is 00:56:57 Okay. I'm going to pitch you something. So you guys use Slack. Yeah. You use Jira. Yeah. you something um uh so you guys use slack yeah you use um shoot jira yeah um we use trello over here um um we've also played around with uh monday.com okay oh god their advertisements that's probably why i get bombed by them all the time because you guys sort of look into it yeah well actually we did a sponsored thing with them oh it's like every second ad on youtube for me is monday yeah so this sort of uh the kind of thing that hopefully nobody ever sees even though it's on wan shows so basically we took everything we we
Starting point is 00:57:36 we vetted it like we made sure that feature it was feature complete fine and it's like very similar to trello and then we decided okay we can endorse this it seems really great so we did a piece and then we just substituted Monday for Trello in every way that we use Trello already so the piece was very genuine in the sense that like yes that is exactly how we use our
Starting point is 00:57:58 productivity enhancement tools and we verified that all the same tools are there yeah monday.com so we were like yeah okay sure and As long as you guys verify that I think that's fine. And we verified that all the same tools are there. Yeah, yeah. As long as you verify that I think that's fine. Yeah, monday.com. So we were like, yeah, okay, sure. And that episode that we made the video about the six hours to air, they did use monday.com.
Starting point is 00:58:13 So it was like, okay, everything we said was true, which is great. Anyway, so those tools. There is a growing trend towards using those tools at home. Yes. Is that your answer do you i i want your answer first so so is yes your answer like yes i want jira for my home i want my shopping list in jira not jira okay but trello or monday jira is too heavy for that but i already do you already do okay i freaking knew it. So it hadn't even occurred to me until I was listening to some random podcast
Starting point is 00:58:50 or reading an article. I fell down like an internet black hole or something and like was clicking through things. I was like, huh. So you create a homework checklist or you create like a video games checklist of all the things that have to be done before you can play video games.
Starting point is 00:59:07 Okay. Your kid uses their phone. They submit like a ticket effectively. And you go, sure. You can say no, or you can say yes, complete the homework checklist or the video game checklist. And so is your room clean? Is your bed made? Are your teeth brushed?
Starting point is 00:59:22 You could build automation tools that once all the cards are out of the, once they're all in the completed column, it like. It like unlocks the internet or whatever. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Totally. You could do that.
Starting point is 00:59:34 Yep. So you support this notion because Yvonne is thinking of switching our family over to Trello. Shopping lists. Okay. So I just use it personally. No one else is on mine. Yeah. Mine is just for me.
Starting point is 00:59:50 Okay. And it's like kind of a mess, but I understand the mess. Sure. Like it would be unacceptable. Okay, then fine. I want the more complete answer. Would you consider moving your girlfriend
Starting point is 00:59:59 and your parents onto Trello to interact with you? It would probably be really helpful. I don't know. I'm not necessarily against it. Family Trello boards and stuff like that. I think the thing is you've got to stay away from, especially if you're bringing it to, this is getting into my manager head,
Starting point is 01:00:21 but if you're bringing it to a family front, unless you have like a family where every single person in the family is an engineer you should probably use one of the lightweight ones sure like the mondays or the trellis out there i don't think you should use jira yeah just calm down jira's too much there's too much stuff going on it's very nice for what we do and like every time i've been like this is so annoying to work with, because it is really freaking annoying to work with. Yeah. I've been like, okay, we're going to switch to this other thing.
Starting point is 01:00:50 So I tried out myself for a little while, and then I try to, like, do the tasks that we're doing. And I'm like, no, never mind. We'll use Jira. But, like, yeah, there's the right tool for the right job. But I can see it making sense. It's basically the old, like, pin board. Basically. Or the front of the fridge or whatever else yep just modernized and on everyone's phones absolutely yeah and so you just like double-sided tape a tablet to the front of your your fridge i have an old ipad too that
Starting point is 01:01:16 would run trello just actually i don't know if the trello app requires ios 13 or 12 or whatever i'd have to check but that would be awesome So the shopping list is just like always there and everyone can update it from anywhere. Yeah Yeah, I think there's a value to it speaking of value LTT store calm now has a new shipping option Oh what yeah, so this is exciting. We've actually got I'm just gonna bring it I want those I know we're working on it those. I know. We're working on it. Socks. So, LTTstore.com Stealth hoodie is in
Starting point is 01:01:47 stock. Yeah. The Ram t-shirt has actually been super popular. Yeah. Hard drive shirt and processor I think are the most popular items right now. We've had really good feedback about the lanyard. Do you have one of the lanyards? They're very nice. It's hard for me to give up my valve lanyard. Oh, yeah. Okay, fine.
Starting point is 01:02:04 You can wrap valves as long as you want. It's very old and gnarly. They're kind of buttheads in some ways. I'm surprised they ever even gave out a lanyard. I guess it's... But that's why I've kept it, because, like, no one has them. But I didn't even think about that they're kind of buttheads now. You guys can't see this, but this is, like, super rugged.
Starting point is 01:02:25 They are. I have mine on my desk because I'm waiting for this to fall in half again, and then I'm going to replace it. So basically, we can offer FedEx shipping now in addition to UPS and Canada Post. And the benefits of FedEx are not necessarily that you're going to like immediately get way better pricing across the board. I know that some regions do not have great pricing. Where is my freaking teams here?
Starting point is 01:02:49 In some places, some of them are better than the other ones, too, and some people know that. But our rates should be at least marginally cheaper for Europe, Asia, and South America. And the big thing is that the service should be much faster to those regions. I had someone in Europe contact me earlier this week being like, it has been six weeks. Where the hell is my order? With Canada Post.
Starting point is 01:03:11 I don't understand what method of transportation can take weeks. I actually got some insight on that today. Oh, Nick. Okay. Well, come on around here so they can hear you. Come to the back. Well, phrasing so what they were telling me today is that oftentimes if let's say we're shipping something to italy for example um it won't go from richmond to italy it'll go from richmond to germany and
Starting point is 01:03:41 then it'll get sorted in germany and then go to the UK because like they ship in these huge bulks when they're going to Europe and they don't do it like country by country necessarily and that's why it takes so long. So it'll only leave Germany or wherever once they have like a full truck or whatever? Oh, that makes sense. And also once it's been sorted
Starting point is 01:03:59 and once it's been like cleared into the right pile and processed and in that pile and then in that truck and then wait for that truck to be full and then probably not directly to Italy. And then another big thing is, as far as I understand, and we haven't done full testing on this yet, but all FedEx shipments should be tracked. So I know that's been sort of a frustration for some people. So I'm really sorry, but we're working on it. Hopefully these should be much better, especially for Europe customers. The quoted shipping times they have are like
Starting point is 01:04:27 two to three business days to Germany. And I'm like, I don't know if that's accurate, but hopefully it's better than five weeks. One of my friends just got a 3D printer from Shenzhen in two days. That's kind of nuts. Insane. Was it like a $20,000 printer
Starting point is 01:04:44 or something? No, no. That China subsidized international Free shipping. That's kind of nuts. Insane. Was it like a $20,000 printer or something? No, no, no. Oh, okay. That China subsidized international shipping, man. It's incredible. Yeah. Like, you want to move to Hong Kong? I'm kidding. I mean, not right now.
Starting point is 01:04:59 The amount of stuff. Wrong place, wrong time. Yeah, not right now. The amount of stuff that you can ship from Hong Kong for like, you know, 12 cents for like a physical package it's like, what? How does that make any sense? You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:05:14 Anyway, guys, LTTstore.com helps us out a lot. And it's like good stuff. Yeah. We're working on DHL. Yeah. It's just not done yet. That'll be a lot of shipping options. Heck yeah. Stuff all takes time.
Starting point is 01:05:31 And we're doing our best, basically. We're learning a lot. Doing this ourselves versus using a service like Teespring or District Lines or any of the ones that we used in the past has been a huge learning curve for us But I think it's I think it's worth it Do we have any other big topics that we wanted to talk about today? Oh Actually, this one's interesting
Starting point is 01:05:57 So Huawei announced the mate 30 and the mate 30 Pro in Munich this week and confirmed that the devices will not have any Google Eyes no Google Apps. No Google Maps, no Chrome, no Play Store. So Mate 30 users will have to search the web using the Huawei browser and download apps using the Huawei App Gallery, which apparently has around 45,000 apps compared to the Play Store's estimated 2.7 million. I mean, I'm sure you could just sideload things.
Starting point is 01:06:22 The Mate 30 phones will be powered by open source Android, but will run EMUI 10, Huawei's user interface, that approximates Google's Android 10. That means Huawei will only be able to bring security updates to the Mate 30 phones when those updates hit open source Android. I mean, they've never really been the fastest at security updates anyway, so that probably won't be very different. Yeah, there's no way that I would even consider, like, I would even begin to consider buying an Android phone that is not
Starting point is 01:06:52 mainline Android. Good luck with that. Remember that stupid watch? How much it took me to get the Play Store on that stupid watch? Yeah. Oh, yeah, the, the, what was it called? That stupid kick-started thing. Kick-farted thing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't remember the name of it. What was it called? That stupid kick-started thing. Kick-farted thing. Yeah. I don't remember the name of it. What was it called? My brain's telling me it had something to do with a tree. On the tip of my tongue.
Starting point is 01:07:14 Why can I not remember? I typoed that. I, like, typed both of them. Kick-farted playlist. Motion-activated battery bank? No. That's the one. Wrist-mounted smartphone.
Starting point is 01:07:28 Neptune. Neptune Pine. Neptune Pine. That's why I thought tree. Neptune Pine. And I said that before it came up. You did. I won.
Starting point is 01:07:35 Yes. Go Linus. But yeah, I was able to sideload the whole Play Store onto that thing. I don't know how viable sideloading the entire Play Store is these days, but you can probably sideload the individual apps. It's like a bad experience for anyone other than a great big nerd. It was terrible. All right, we've got a couple other little things.
Starting point is 01:07:54 Rockstar has a games launcher. And they already require you to use it if you want to play their games. Sweet. And the Core i9-10900X What a stupid name, appears on Geekbench 4. Really?
Starting point is 01:08:10 Someone has seemingly benchmarked it. The unreleased processor supports the 10,000 series branding. Ah! So it's most likely one of Intel's upcoming HEDT parts based on their Cascade Lake microarchitecture. The rumored base clock and boost clock are 4 GHz and 4.6 GHz. likely one of Intel's upcoming HEDT parts based on their Cascade Lake microarchitecture. The rumored base clock and boost clock are 4GHz and 4.6GHz. And Intel claims that Cascade Lake X will bring double the performance per dollar, so
Starting point is 01:08:34 we might be getting some price drops scheduled to arrive next month. And I guess that's pretty much it, other than reading? Some Supar chats. Oh, one thing about the Rockstar Games Launcher is, in my opinion, this is probably, yeah, okay, so it's even in the notes. This launch could be in preparation for a PC version of Red Dead Redemption 2 and all of its various potential microtransactions. Bryant Lewis says, when is Scrapyard Wars dropping and do any people of color apply and get hired at LMG? So your first question, I can answer that one pretty easily.
Starting point is 01:09:10 We are shooting Scrapyard Wars in two weeks, which means that the episodes will come when they come. As for whether any people of color apply and get hired at LMG, the last time I checked, we have lots of people who are not white. And as far as I know, anything other than white is a color. So I guess... Half of the founding members were... I guess there's that. ...were not white.
Starting point is 01:09:36 Also, just saying. As for more than half, if you count Yvonne... Of the founding members? Oh, wait, were you counting Brandon? I wasn't counting Brandon. Oh, okay, okay. Brandon's tech... Okay, what was he, like, week two? Well, no, okay, so Brandon's complicated
Starting point is 01:09:50 because we didn't hire him until, I think, April or May. Okay. But he actually volunteered for us on our first project, which we completed, it was a sponsored thing for Corsair, before the company formally started. Okay. So he had worked for us before we ever paid him.
Starting point is 01:10:09 And before the company officially began on January 1st. We didn't really have the money. We did not have any money. Yeah. Yeah. We had no money. So I will count that. I didn't know.
Starting point is 01:10:17 I forgot that part. So that's why Brandon is technically OG, even though he actually didn't start. That makes sense. At the same time as you. So then, yeah, majority was not white. Yeah. Cool.
Starting point is 01:10:29 Sounds good. As for our hiring practices, we hire the most qualified candidate. And isn't the majority still not white? I'm not sure. Honestly, I don't give a shit. That's not the point. Yeah. I don't know either. Because it doesn't matter.
Starting point is 01:10:48 When people apply, you know, depending on what we're trying to do, we hire whoever the person who seems like they can do it the best is. Yeah, and speaking of which, I don't know if I'm going to be able to find it in time for it to be relevant, but Brandon Appreciation Day passed, if I'm going to be able to find it in time for it to be relevant. But Brandon Appreciation Day passed, and I recognized that I was the only person who engaged in appreciating Brandon on that day,
Starting point is 01:11:11 and I'm disappointed in the community. So you guys should step up. Lordy. Yeah. All right. Oh, wow. Steve A. says, Please do a comparison with CRT and fixed pixel displays.
Starting point is 01:11:25 I've heard that the moving resolution of fixed pixel displays falls apart compared to CRT. There was an article that went up. I think Digital Foundry did a video. Digital Foundry did a video, and everyone on the planet is trying to come across, like, they came up with this out of nowhere and it's driving me nuts yeah like okay I don't I'm not certain that digital foundry was the first I am not sure either I don't know where exactly this came from but whatever happened there what's up over almost done we're still live, yeah Okay, thanks Pella Yeah, but like
Starting point is 01:12:05 The amount of tweets I got, I was thinking Today, I think it would be So interesting Were you? No, you were not thinking about CRT monitors today You just watched a video And are trying to pass the idea on to us So CRTs absolutely have a value
Starting point is 01:12:21 And there are things that they do better Than any modern display technology There's a reason that our arcade machine Has a CR, and there are things that they do better than any modern display technology. There's a reason that our arcade machine has a CRT. There's a reason that we have both a CRT TV and a CRT monitor over in the warehouse in case we happen to need one for a project. But there are lots of things that they don't do better, and while they may have better motion resolution, particularly for certain types of content. They also flicker.
Starting point is 01:12:46 And I'm talking even at high refresh rates, they flicker. The eye fatigue, like, I don't miss that. So, yeah. There's no way in hell I would replace my daily driver monitors with a CRT. It's not gonna happen. As, like, a fun thing to play some Super Mario World,
Starting point is 01:13:03 we've done it. Yes. Yeah. It's better going to happen. As like a fun thing to play some Super Mario World. Yes. We've done it. Yes. Yeah. It's better. Yeah. But like, get real. It's also very immersive. CRTs are not coming back.
Starting point is 01:13:12 No. Like getting that Sony one and messing around with, they sell for way too much. They sell for insane amounts of money. But getting one of those and messing around would be fun. There's no way I would replace my setup with it. And I think it weighs like a hundred pounds or something. Come on. Kepler. The title is real. It was just earlier in the stream. It was the first
Starting point is 01:13:33 topic that we did. We are almost at the end of the stream now. Yeah. Alright. I hope Digital Foundry keeps making videos about it because it's very interesting to watch, but I don't... Jesse says, speaking of UFC, do either of you watch it? Every once in a while, Nick has events, and he invites me, and I go, and that's about it, and I just go to socialize.
Starting point is 01:13:55 I am super not into it. I've always had far more appreciation for finesse-based athleticism than I do for brute force-based athleticism. With that said, I was watching a trailer for some UFC event that maybe has passed now, but was coming up at some point. And I don't know who it was,
Starting point is 01:14:12 but he looked like he's probably like a lightweight or middleweight fighter who is phenomenally acrobatic. That was pretty cool, I guess. I used to really like watching GSP. I'm really, really not into watching people get brain damaged um yeah and i you know ufc has has benefits over more traditional sports like boxing in that regard because the fact that you don't have gigantic pads on your fists means that your
Starting point is 01:14:38 brain isn't getting shaken around quite so much but it's just not something that i personally derive pleasure from and i don't really enjoy watching it. Bare Knuckle to the head's, like, super bad for brain damage. Yes, but compared to... Bouncy bounce? 40 hits from a box and a glove. Oh, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay. I see where you're going with it.
Starting point is 01:14:55 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Watching GSP was really interesting because he was extremely technically good, and he would just, like, dismantle people. That was really cool. Johnny Winter says, Linus, last year you talked about some vessel to put between monitors so it made the monitors flow
Starting point is 01:15:09 together. What happened to that? Asus actually like tweeted about that recently. I think that project is not actually dead. Oh, wow. Lucas says, getting jerked around by Razer support after two dead new laptops in two years. I know you all had a lot of failures too.
Starting point is 01:15:22 Any contacts that you can share? Unfortunately, the only contact I have there is my media contact. I don't have any special sales or support contact. You can link them to me saying I'm very disappointed in them right now, but that's really the best that I can do for you at the moment. I'm not surprised either. I can tell you that I do have a video coming on probably not switching or not sticking with the razor blade
Starting point is 01:15:45 stealth that I selected recently so there's that nice uh Rohit says please do a tech wiki on shunt modding and its benefit sorry what shunt modding first hit do not shunt mod your graphics card in all capital letters from louis rosman with liquid metal oh well that would be stupid okay uh neat oh this okay so okay so you're just you're just shorting out connections on the graphics card pcb in order to get more voltage out of it um yeah that'd be kind of cool it's pretty niche though yeah yeah i'll consider it uh jesse says is your trademark ratchet driver a snap-on yes it is uh i have a pink one for you i own a pink one already um yeah it's uh it's my wife's, actually. Dimitri says, flow plane or float plane? Float.
Starting point is 01:16:50 Like, float, like not sink. Ben says, please talk about folding month 2019. I think that was even in here. Or wait, I think we talked about it on a previous wine show, didn't we? I thought that happened a few months back. Oh, here we go. There are some prizes that we're going to be giving away as well as some that the community has donated you can check it out on the ltt official folding month 2019 thread over on the forum i will go ahead and drop that in the i will not drop that in the chat i don't have the chat open uh that'll take me a
Starting point is 01:17:21 minute but yes shout out to folding month 2019 yeah it's very active there's posts in that thread as of like now so uh burnsy says i am financially stupid so here's some money nice it's my birthday next month i want some ltd merch what would you recommend for my first purchase um if you are looking for oh Oh. Hold on a second. I really want to just... Oh, man. The sweater is, like, really nicely durable. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:50 I mean, all of it's really nicely durable, but I feel like that sweater's going to hold up for a really long time. Stealth hoodie's great. Water bottle's great. The underwear are awesome, but they're really expensive, so it kind of depends on your budget. Stealth hoodie is a really good place to start.
Starting point is 01:18:03 Stealth hoodie. Stealth hoodie and, like, an Elemental shirt or something like that. I know they're not there now, but they'll be back. We're kind of considering bringing back Elemental on an ongoing basis as something that we can just, like, beat the crap out of every once in a while. Just like, yeah, no one likes it, but it's a good deal. Sure. We probably won't do that.
Starting point is 01:18:22 Yeah, that's probably not the best idea. Noah says, is Floatplane working on separation of LTT TechWiki and TechLink but under one subscription? So no, they will be separate subscriptions at some point when I'm not lazy. BubbaDemat812 says, hope you don't mind hillbilly humor for the contest you announced yesterday. Oh, we don't mind hillbilly humor. Robert says, can I resell my red hat license with these new challenges then? No, no, they're only they're only challenging steam right now. They said they have the plan to challenge other things But I doubt they're gonna go after that
Starting point is 01:18:58 Tommy gun says hey Linus. You should really visit the developer of Anno. They're located in my hometown By the way, it's late around here. Yeah, cuz you're in Germany. All right, then Robert says when is the AMD epic video coming very soon and there will be more than just one Robert says remember area 50 when you hear about the youtubers that got arrested No, yeah, they went in the day before and they got all their electronics So their camera equipment lights and a drone confiscated like for good they got uh fined 2200 each they actually got sentenced to a year in jail but they're foreign nationals so i think they worked out a deal where they could pay 2200 spend three days in jail and then i'm guessing they're never getting let into the u.s the hell back out yeah they're foreign
Starting point is 01:19:39 nationals why would you do that because the memes guess. But like something that's always broken my brain. Do not break the law in a different country. Like the people that go to like North Korea and like steal posters. I'm like, what are you doing? What are you doing? I get it. You're an activist. That's great. Find other
Starting point is 01:20:01 ways. But like. There's people that like It's a really bad idea. I don't know how they get them there, but there's people that get other ways. But like... There's people that like... It's a really bad idea. I don't know how they get them there, but there's people that get USBs filled with like North American European stuff into North Korea. Do that. Buy a whole bunch of USBs. Donate them to that group that does that.
Starting point is 01:20:19 I don't know much about it, but yeah. Their posters are hilarious. They'll go to different events, and they just have like Kim Jong-un faces, and you plug the USB into his mouth, and then they just like, and it just looks stupid. And then they collect all the USBs at the end of the day and wipe them all and fill them with information
Starting point is 01:20:34 and send them to North Korea. Really? It's pretty interesting, actually. They have them at like different conventions. Yeah, I don't know. Okay. SC Gaming, have you taken a look at GOG? Um, like different conventions. Yeah, I don't know. Uh, okay. SC Gaming. Have you taken a look at GOG?
Starting point is 01:20:48 We actually did a collab with GOG that we shot this week. Do you know about this? Uh, I've heard vaguely. We made the best gaming console as a PC. So we built like a console-sized, pretty powerful computer. Okay. Um, and we worked with GOG because really the point we're trying to make is that one of the big benefits of the PC is the library.
Starting point is 01:21:07 And GOG is such a great example of how deep and affordable the PC gaming library is. And so GOG generously contributed their 500 top-selling games, which was apparently a ton of work for them because they actually had to reach out to every developer to get the okay for this they gave them all to us to load onto this pc and we're going to give away the pc at the end of the video yeah so uh pretty sweet gog good one thing that i really like about gog is it's a platform that you can support that's a gaming platform that you don't have to feel at least marginally weird about. So Rowan says that reselling games could be a positive
Starting point is 01:21:48 for Valve if they allow the sale through their marketplace, allowing them to double dip into the sale of the game. They could also give some to the developer. Yeah, that's probably where we're going to end up, realistically. Gaming Trouble says, make sure you look at the Cube World release for Steam. It's so big news. I don't
Starting point is 01:22:06 know what Cube World is. Captain Pepper says, I love my HDD and RAM shirts, but my fave is the TechLinked masking tape shirt. Such a great story behind it. Any more limited edition products coming? I mean, those will only happen when they, like, when inspiration strikes. We're not going to force it. I don't think we should actually
Starting point is 01:22:24 do it, but someone mentioned the other day that we should do the green masking, or green painter's tape FPM logo as a shirt. If you guys wanna take on the burden of that inventory, go for it. We don't have anywhere to put it. We don't have any inventory space. Okay, let me see.
Starting point is 01:22:43 Steven says, first super chat ever. You guys rock. Please send support to UFD Tech. Yeah, we talked about that. Oh, wow, these were a while ago. Oh, boy. Hey, guys, what phone can you recommend to someone who's off contract
Starting point is 01:22:55 and paying for their device up front? Would like to shy away from financing. Really, wow, it really depends on your budget. I mean, Samsung's A series is pretty good, but they're still like pretty expensive. Anything from OnePlus is good, but they're not that cheap anymore, so that's tough. Pocophone F1.
Starting point is 01:23:15 If you can get your hands on one of those, if it's got good band support in your area, it's still a very decent phone, especially with the Google camera mod. Kyle Andrews. Hey, guys, what phone can you recommend someone who's off... Oh, whoops. Jacob, name another product you can buy
Starting point is 01:23:31 and not resell in the world. Sure, a thermal camera. I'm serious. Yeah, you have to sign a whole thing that says you're, like, not a terrorist and it needs to stay in your possession and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, because it could be used for military applications uh digital movies um sure yeah
Starting point is 01:23:51 but no they meant like that's the same thing effectively it's not a game okay that's true digital things are in their own category underwear i mean you can resell it but like for all intents and purposes it's's not. It's consumable. Living says, how often do you run Unraid parody checks? Whenever they automatically run. I mean, they don't really just fall out of parody. I think he's wondering if you have a schedule set up or something. Yeah, it's included with Unraid.
Starting point is 01:24:21 I think it's set to run every month by default. But I think that's what he was... Oh, once a month. Yes, sir. How would you feel about having physical games on flash drives? Too expensive. Can't be done. Tommy Gun.
Starting point is 01:24:37 To be mean. Many years we were told that digital distribution is all about anti-piracy and not about reselling, so what would be the issue? Nah. There's more to it than that. Charlie says, please bring back the LAN hoodie. Not happening. Oh.
Starting point is 01:24:59 Interesting. We actually are planning a video, Bobby, on the LG C9 after the G-Sync update Apparently a PC connected to HDMI only does two channel PCM right now Big deal if you use arc to a receiver Why would you use arc to a receiver though? Why wouldn't you just go through your receiver? It doesn't do doesn't do G-Sync over HDMI. How the hell does that work? I actually I saw saw the, I saw the headline, but I wasn't sure how they were doing it. Oh, interesting. So it's funny that you bring that up because I have a video coming on Asus's BFGD and I'm having a similar issue. How do I get audio? How do I get high resolution audio or excuse me, high definition audio to like a surround or like a multi-channel
Starting point is 01:25:41 speaker setup? Because you're going display port from the computer to the display. And then what? Optical audio is dead, dead and buried. Like it doesn't do high definition audio. So, all right, get this. HDMI out separately to the receiver. Oh God. Shut up.
Starting point is 01:26:01 And then duplicating my display, and then I found this weird app on, like, GitHub or something that allows you to lock your mouse to your primary display, so you're effectively running a phantom cloned display that did seem to be getting multi-channel audio. Woo. Bad solution. I didn't fully know how you were going to get there,
Starting point is 01:26:26 but the second you said the additional cable, I was just like, oh, no. I know exactly what the destination is. I'm not sure how the journey's going to come together. We're not bringing back the WAN hoodie anytime soon. Is it even, like, feasible to do that? No. Yeah, I didn't think so.
Starting point is 01:26:40 I think that's done. I think so. I think that's done. Bruce says, Love you and your annoying voice. I've been spamming floatplane on every vid complaining about YouTube slashing verification. Well, they brought it back, so. Mitch says, will it be possible for us floatplane peeps who were grandfathered to switch to yearly and still be considered grandfathered for Ltt wow i have no idea that sounds really complicated i don't know if i want to promise anything there um i'm gonna bug you about this till it's real says zool melb how long until i can buy a float plane shirt i don't know i don't know daniel says can't wait for ltx 2020 so very intricate it says by Dennis a coffee
Starting point is 01:27:30 Dennis doesn't need coffee. Dr. Don says what do you think of the while we made 30? Okay? We talked about that technically you supply coffee at work anyways Simon says why didn't you guys use a thread ripper for your Windows Mac OS? Build is there a specific reason yeah thread ripper is like not Zen 2 right now thread ripper is not amazing performance in single threaded applications. Hey guys, no secret laugh in live, says LheartW. I have no idea what you're talking about. Daniel says, watching an epic phone watching stream. Okay, Robert says, if Google's healthcare is more affordable than the US,
Starting point is 01:28:00 then yes, I'd move to Google. I'd love it if they called the country Google. Waldemar says, the court of public opinion is becoming real. Corey says, it's been the worst week of my life. Google country. Oh, wow. They have Google Earth. I lost my mother yesterday, and I swear WAN show is the first thing
Starting point is 01:28:21 that made me feel a bit better. Well, we're happy to help. Sorry to hear that, dude. DHL will charge an extra courier fee on delivery. Yeah, probably, but I think that might just be taxes and import duty, and I'm pretty sure you're going to get nailed with that regardless, especially if you're in, like, a VAT country. Oh, my goodness.
Starting point is 01:28:43 There are so many super chats today. Please guys do not send any more. I can't do all of the rest of them. Okay. I already did that one. Mr. Devin Wright says feedback on in-video merch and
Starting point is 01:29:01 content in merch callouts. It's become excessive. Yeah, we know. We're trying to dial back how long they take. So at least it's just like a quick thing. Adam, yes, we intend to review the OnePlus TV as soon as we can get it. Okay. What happened to the YouTube black hole PC Linus mentioned a while ago?
Starting point is 01:29:22 Says default switched. A while ago. That was ages ago. It switched? A while ago. That was ages ago. It's like two years, three years ago. Years, many years. It ended up being very complicated. Do you remember why it was complicated?
Starting point is 01:29:34 They didn't want us to do it or something, didn't they? I don't remember. No, I don't think it was that simple. Because we were, but we were going to be, no, it's against their terms, though. Yeah, I don't think that was why we didn't do it. We were concerned for that reason. Maybe Nick was concerned. I didn't care. I'm pretty sure Nick was quite concerned. All terms, though. Yeah, I don't think that was why we didn't do it. We were concerned for that reason. Maybe Nick was concerned. I didn't care.
Starting point is 01:29:48 I'm pretty sure Nick was quite concerned. All right, then. Yeah. Okay, Vincent says, Badminton merch when? No time soon. Although, I do want to do an athletic shirt. So that'll be... Okay, so we'll do it.
Starting point is 01:30:04 I'm not going to do like a racket or anything. That would be crazy. That's probably good. All right. Although I bet you, oh, if you did a fairly limited run of rackets, just enough that you like didn't lose any money off it, and then sold them on location at LTX, so you didn't have to try to ship them or anything,
Starting point is 01:30:24 I bet you those would sell. It would be hard to get it right. I'm really picky, and I wouldn't sell anything that I wouldn't use, so it's tough. Okay. Vita Kyle. Vita Kite.
Starting point is 01:30:35 Last one. I've spent around $300 on the LTT store. Thank you. And still haven't been able to purchase the TechLink shirt along with the Elemental. Elemental will come back. Stay tuned. And TechLink will come eventually. We've had supply issues with our shirts so thanks
Starting point is 01:30:49 for watching guys bye this was an hour and a half i'm sorry i kept you here for uh it's seven wow um that's fine hopefully you didn't have anywhere to be yeah not really um good night everybody bye sorry it's friday all i do is stream and they're probably watching this anyways i have to pee so bad right now like not even funny seasonic it's great. Honey, I drank that whole thing of water like,
Starting point is 01:31:28 literally in the show. Whoops.

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