The WAN Show - Sony PlayStation - by Alienware - WAN Show June 12, 2020

Episode Date: June 15, 2020

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See app for details. And we are live. Welcome to the WAN Show. It's been a spectacular week for tech news this week. If you're into Sony PlayStation 5 and having a kind of alien looking thing in your living room. Yes, my friends, the PlayStation 5 has finally been unveiled. And we've got a bunch of other great tech news for you this week. That's right, Linus. It has been a fantastic week for tech news.

If you are not intel for multiple reasons if you're not intel hit me with it uh first of all jim keller is uh resigned so that's horrifying for them that's rough and also speaking of horrifying for intel there's more security vulnerabilities on their processors hey that's not really horrifying for Intel. There's more security vulnerabilities on their processors. Hey, that's not really horrifying for Intel. That's horrifying for their customers. Get it right. Maybe a little bit of both. We are going to talk about the PlayStation 5

and we're also going to talk about Intel's alleged five core CPU. That's right. Alleged five core CPU. This is actually much cooler than it sounds on the surface. This is not just 5 cores stapled together on a CPU. Should we roll the intro?

Wow, that was really efficient pre-show blitz there. It felt kind of rehearsed. Yeah, it did. Wow. It's almost like we're professionals. Okay, I'm going to do this thing. Or we can not roll the intro just to add a little bit more of the roughness just to make up for it no we're doing it we're doing it yeah okay okay no youtube apparently oh that's right i didn't set it public well that would have been too professional oh that's great oh i love that on youtube there's two buttons to go live one button to make the

stream not private and a second button to go live the show is brought to you today by oh shoot i can't remember give me one moment please display ridge wallet and squarespace imagine having so many sponsors you can't remember them all is that what you were gonna say because wow i was gonna say imagine having a button that sets uh public and live at the same time imagine imagine that imagine imagine a world where twitch actually does things better than you do does things better than you do. Oh, snap. Imagine a world where any form of UI or almost any other update doesn't add clicks to the process of doing things. Imagine that. I can't imagine it. I'm just kidding. So serious. I can't. I can't. It's too hard. It's too hard. All right. Why don't we jump right into our headline topic for the day? Yes. EA titles have returned to Steam.

After nine years of making their origin storefront the only place to buy EA titles, this was posted by Andreas Lilja on the forum, EA games have finally returned to Steam. I didn't realize it was nine years of Origin. Nine years of being stuck with Origin if you wanted to play an EA game. You know why I didn't realize? Because there weren't any EA games I wanted to play. Yep.

I was going to say, now you can support acidic publishers more easily through Steam. Origin. Hold on a second. I do actually have origin on my computer all right let me just i'm a sign in i'm a sign in i even know my password i got my password memorized have i have i told you the story about how i shared my origin account with

some russian hacker dude for like years and just didn't care what What? Are you kidding me? No. My original Origin account got hacked by some person who put the language to Russian. And they played football manager games. Yeah. And they played it with my account. I have no idea why. They didn't seem to play any of the games that I had. They just played these football manager games, which I didn't buy. They either bought or got for free and then every time that there was a game on origin that i would want to play i would just recover my account through my email what is this

what are you moving around the screen origin i just tried to open it and it like was like well that didn't go as planned i'm just i'm just trying to show what games i have in origin it was like, well, that didn't go as planned. I'm just trying to show what games I have in Origin. It's like not working. That's actually amazing. Anyways, I... Gee, I wonder why I don't like Origin. Because it didn't go as planned. But I used to...

Yeah, I would... Anytime I'd want to play a game, I would just recover my account through my email. He somehow was able to change my secret question. My secret question was now in Russian and the answer was who knows what. So he had my secret question. So when he wanted to play games again, he would just take the account back with the secret question. And then when I wanted to play games again, I would just take the account back with the email recovery.

And we did this for a really long time. Why would you steal someone's account to play free games i don't know i have no idea maybe he wanted to play on uh north american servers or something i don't know if there is that for football manager i have no clue who knows but yeah it went on for a long time and then one day uh i noticed it seemed like he was like trying to change the email yeah no that's too far yeah a step too far step too far we had a system here bro and then i got him this is great atom sk sands is giving me some tech support here he's offline dot dot dot dot dot clearly i'm not very offline because i'm definitely streaming to you live just a little offline you know we've got just a little bit of that

offline in the mix to just to make it interesting um all right so hold on a second so uh this began last week but a fresh batch of games dropped on the 11th, including the Battlefield series, Star Wars Battlefront series, and this is kind of a big deal. They just released Command & Conquer Remastered Edition. Or excuse me, Remastered Collection. I have not played the Remastered Collection,

nor did I play the original Command & Conquer. So, but I did read one review of the remastered collection and it was very positive look just if i'm gonna run my mouth about something i know absolutely nothing about i'm gonna stay positive that positive. That's all. It's going to be Sony. It's going to be, yeah. Okay, sorry. Look, I've got a brand to protect here. You know, if I'm going to go off the rails,

it's going to be to trash on Tim Sweeney for no reason whatsoever. Yeah, exactly. Perfect. Now, many of the newer games still appear to have Origin as a dependency, but they use a light version of the client that seems to mostly handle DRM. This has been a sticking point for some reviewers, with many of the negative reviews mentioning Origin integration in Battlefield V's store page. Linux gamers have noted that many older EA titles

and the Command & Conquer Remastered collection don't have Origin integration and run without non-Steam DRM, allowing them to play these titles hassle-free for the first time in almost a decade. EA's subscription service, EA Access, is also coming to Steam. So I guess... Interesting. Would you have imagined this when we first started? Imagine this, when we first started WAN Show, which was like seven years ago or whatever, EA being like the big boy, the one that's willing to come to the table and go non-exclusive with their stuff. No, I would not have imagined that.

We have many times imagined a place where games platforms would go to a service model we've been talking about this forever yep and then we eventually saw origin do it we saw ubisoft microsoft do it with xbox microsoft do it sony to a certain degree nintendo to a certain degree um like it's it started proliferating what i never expected was a gaming studio to go on a subscription model on someone else's platform yeah that's very interesting do you think i mean i actually i don't have these details um all i have is the information that's in our doc here which is just that it's there do you think valve was willing to negotiate do you think what

we're seeing is the result of the decades of pressure that ea has put on valve because obviously it benefits valve to have all games on steam that's valves and game is that every gamer sees steam as the destination for gaming whether it's socializing with their friends, buying games, using it to stream their games to their other devices with Steam Link. They're trying to be the platform for gamers. But VR is another perfect example of how they're trying to position themselves as more of a platform and less of like a storefront. So obviously that's to their benefit. Do you think that this is a result of the pressure EA has put on them withholding their games, which are kind of big deal games last time I checked, as much as I might mock EA

and make fun of them or whatever because I don't play sports games and I went the last 10 years without really playing games, otherwise I probably would have tons of titles in origin um and a result of pressure from the epic game store where the commissions are much much lower do you think that valve has made an agreement with the a where their commissions are lower if i had to guess out of nowhere i would say probably yes and the main reason for that would not actually be the origin store it would be the epic game store i think epic game store has has made a lot of splashes and while there's a lot of very bad things about it i think free games speak to a lot of people yeah freaking i mean hey free civ 6 a couple weeks ago like free civ 6 i didn't take it

i didn't take it because i'm not installing the epic game store on my computer but you know what it did do is it prompted me to buy civ 6 on the ltt benchmarking account and then set up friend sharing between my account and the work account and play that game that's it had an effect on me i i suspect most people didn't have that effect i suspect most people took the free game most people probably didn't do it that way that's an unusual approach but but taking like big time games uh that people are actually spending like serious money on um and sending those out for free not not like relatively old indie games which is kind of generally the angle uh and that was flashy enough when humble bundle first started doing it you start doing you start giving away triple a games it's sort of a big deal

yeah for sure yeah playstation time uh yeah we should we should do that we should do that i was just messing with people it was very funny and i enjoyed it but we should move on all right let's talk about like wow that's surprising that that was the title okay no let's talk about playstation so um uh there's an article there's articles everywhere verge texas i don't know who posted on the forum but there's a there's a reveal trailer here what what the hey we might as well just give it a little give it a little watchy watch. Shall we? Window capture. I don't know. Let's call this one chroma nader

Chrominating the countryside All right, I don't want to show too much of this because I don't want to get a takedown, but there you go. It's a thing. This section of it is... Oh, yeah. Look at this. Oh, man.

PlayStation. PlayStation. The first whole half of the video had nothing to do with anything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wait.

There it is. Hey, we did it. We did it, Reddit. So there it is. There's two versions of. We did it, Reddit. So there it is. There's two versions of the PlayStation 5. We still don't have pricing. We've got the Space Age version. Hold on, let me find it.

Here we go. We got the Space Age version right here. Okay, it comes with a PlayStation 5 and a controller probably. There you go. That's the digital version. um and a controller probably there you go that's the digital version then we've got the uh space station version plus ancient technology edition with uh with a disc with a disc loader thing here so that you can take the data that's on that disc and you can put it onto your ssd and then you can throw it away because there's going to be a day one update that's like half

the size of the game anyway there's your tech tip ladies and gentlemen there's your tech tip um basically you know that it's just you got your you got your gaming pc where you download the game and then you got your gaming pc where you put the disc in and download the game and then you got your gaming pc where you put the disc in and download the game playstation edition i think you can you can tell in the like what i would probably incorrectly call the design language of the console yeah but they did not want to have that drive in there um it's literally a wart growing out of the side of the playstation 5 someone was like nope nope we need one with a drive and they were like okay we'll just uh there we go that's good um yeah you know the thing is and it's funny because you hear a lot of people talk about how discs are not going away because for a lot of people especially people who

are on low speed like rural internet connections they're the only way to get you know 30 40 50 gigabytes of data loaded onto their console but you know more by the time you uncompress it but like the the initial compressed data it's like the only way to get it onto their console but you look at the way that sony has designed the playstation 5 it's clearly digital first because not only do games like so many i remember when we first did our launch coverage of the playstation 4 and i like put in these games and was immediately greeted by like system updates and game updates i was like what is this a computer because it really it really was so reminiscent of the computer gaming experience like all these game patches and stuff i was like what what i thought this was a i thought this was a console

i thought this was a console um so not only that but there's the fact now that because the PlayStation 5 is designed around streaming game assets right off of this high-speed SSD while you're gaming, you you cannot design your game for the PlayStation 5 with the expectation that there is going to be a disc in the console. In fact, my understanding and I would hate to say something ignorant about the PlayStation 5 again that would be very very bad that would be a very bad time but my understanding, and I would hate to say something ignorant about the PlayStation 5 again, that would be very, very bad. That would be a very bad time.

But my understanding is that Sony has provided developers with guidance to say that they expect all the game's data to be loaded onto the SSD for when the player wants to play the game in order to maintain the proper PlayStation 5 gaming experience. I don't think games are going to run off the disc.

So this is just a matter of like, do you want to have a physical DRM key? Or do you want to be able to resell your games depending on how Sony handles digital rights management for digital games? Or do you want to have a digital DRM for your games? As far as I can tell. There's also for that niche community of people,

the ability to play movies often. Very few people. Do they not have a USB Blu-ray already that they can use to rip their movies? Because they could do that, you know. Okay, in all seriousness, I get it. Some people actually do watch Blu-rays like that. One of the things that a lot of of people okay you know what before we go any further i want to i want to hear from you luke i want to hear from you give it a score out of 10 for looks tell me about

it here hold on let's get another controversial let's get another angle here let's get another angle hold on i gotta get people yes uh the one without the disc which is what i suspect most people are gonna get anyways i i think it's i hmm why are you struggling so much i'm gonna give it like a nine a reason nine wow all right, because it's not so boring. Really? Yeah. So much stuff comes out and like, okay, there's a link in there. Look at the blue link, Reddit user made a handy image comparing PlayStation and Xbox offerings. Check that out. Maybe show that to the stream. All right. I'm on it. it sorry it's going to take me a

little while to resize this here window doodadamajig there we go all right there it is yep all right tell me about it uh it's just just look at this i guess what you're saying is it's not any more ugly than anything else first of all console like the i think the the PlayStation 4 looked kind of all right. The Xbox One X looked kind of all right. The Xbox... The Xbox 360 looked terrible. The Xbox 360 did not age well. No. It looks like a toy.

It looks like a child's toy. The PS3, the non-slim PS3, always looked thought was like kind of atrocious yeah but i i have been so bored with a lot of design of physical products for a long time now okay that's fair like if you look at any phone they're just all identical they're all super minimalistic you look at almost anything else it's all identical and super minimalistic and like that's pretty cool but at a certain point everything just feels cold like this thing is interesting i don't necessarily think it's the most attractive console i've ever seen you gave it a nine dude but you gave it a nine out of ten i'm very happy that they did this like if my wife's like hey rate me out of ten and

i'm like hon you're a nine because you're i'm basically yeah i'm because yeah you see you can't qualify that it's not gonna go well yeah you can't you can't do that no you can't do you can't do that i'm just happy to see it because i want to see more stuff like this i'll tell her that i'm gonna be like you're a nine because i'm just happy to see it because i want to see more stuff like this. I'll tell her that I'm going to be like, you're a nine because I'm just happy to see it. Cause I want to see more stuff like, you know, like this, you know, you're a nine,

hon. I, I just, I appreciate it a lot. I think. I appreciate you. You're a nine. Cause I appreciate you.

It's, it's different. I kind of like it. Cause you're different from all the other girls that I wait. I, well, it would have been probably more intelligent for them to go with an all-black design, I appreciate that they didn't do that.

All right. Because, again, it's more interesting. That's fair. It's not boring. And I actually like that so much. Okay. So here's my... Do you remember computer cases?

You were like the antec 900 yeah like wacky that computer case was yeah like there's some reasons why leaving that area was good but i feel like we've been in this new era of everything's just a box with metal and glass on it yeah kind of too long and it's a little tired and i'm happy to see some of the like spark kind of come back i guess okay so i've got two takes on this one is uh okay first of all i just want to jump in and say we do not need to go back to the era of the thermal take zazer series yeah okay so it was too far then i just feel like we've kind of gone too far now where everything's the same everything's metal and glass and it's just kind of boring and tired all right and it

so i just i somewhere in the middle i think is really good well you didn't ask somewhere in there you didn't ask but i'm gonna give you my take anyway i actually like it too. I've been giving you a hard time, but I like it. I have always, and maybe part of this is that I grew up, as a gamer, feeling like Alienware was pretty cool. wear gaming machine because I learned to build my own and all that kind of stuff. But, um, I remember there was this one alien wear case in particular, it was like an Aurora something star Wars, uh, edition that I like, I went as far as calling up alien wear to be like, look, I don't even care if it's like a thousand dollars. I want to buy this thing. This is this is like so cool There it is so there's there were two two sided designs there was an Empire one and a Rebel Alliance version I wanted the Empire one because it looked way way cooler But you know to me Alienware

And that like futuristic spaceship gamer look is not necessarily a terrible thing. And something to remember is that even though the gaming demographic is absolutely aging, it used to be that when we were kids, kids played video games. And now here we are 25 years later and adults play video games and i think that a lot of adults now have this expectation that that video game machines should look like they're made for adults but uh newsflash kids play kids have a lot more hours to play video games by and large than adults do and game consoles are still for kids and you just are also for adults yeah you're doing a fun thing it doesn't need to be this like black box of destruction and death totally serious with that said okay with that said my rating of 8 out of 10 is based on that i won't buy one or put it in my living room. Neither will I.

So now I want your second rating. I want to know what you think of it if you actually have to make it fit in your console and look decent. It would actually fit perfectly fine in my setup. Your setup is tacky. My setup's not that bad. I haven't seen it, but you just told me a PlayStation 5 would fit in with it. So it's tacky.

Because that is, I think, a lot of people's problem with it. I have two levels of shelving. One of them has my receiver. You know what else you have is the technology of a webcam that you could pick up and show it to us with it. Not that easily. Oh, really? Oh, that's a bummer.

Okay. Just because how the cables are all set up. Okay, don't worry about it. I'm just, I'm razzing you anyway. But my point is just that I think for a lot of people, the problem is that, you know, they aren't still living at home in their basement and when they look at a device like this and go you know i'm sorry how is this meant to be integrated

into my like home theater console where for better or for worse every other thing in it we don't even have silver as an option anymore every other thing in it is a black box. You know, my AV receiver. Um, well, I realized like, yes, yours probably isn't, but for a lot of people,

most of their stuff is. So unless the PlayStation five is like the centerpiece of your setup, it's kind of hard to make it fit in. I don't think it's tacky though to have something that looks slightly different i i think that is a a oh this is gonna get spicy i think that's a like uh-oh boring old person opinion um did you just okay boomer me yeah a little bit did you just like okay boomer me it's okay back in the day what was the coolest looking console coolest looking to find back in the day because you and i come from different days sir

not that give me a year give me a year nintendo 64 nintendo 64 was the coolest console the clear ones the purple clear one the problem i was no no no no the problem is that i was nine okay that's so cool it is still cool it is still cool now it's cool it's cool the purple ones because they're cool you're right it's, but it's cool to carry around in my backpack as a Nintendo Switch. Not cool to have in my like adult living room, having like adult house guests over that are like, oh, that's adorable. Is that your, is that your kid's game station 6,000 or whatever? And I'm like, oh no, that's actually, you know, that's a $600 gaming machine that I like spent my last three paychecks on. Like, really?

And look, I'm not the kind of person, as you know, very well that cares that much about image. I'm just saying that I don't want to look at it. And if I don't want to look at it, people who come into my house probably don't want to look at it there either. I don't think it fits in. And the Nintendo 64, remember, comes from a different era of gaming. Like, okay, my only friend who had an N64, okay? Actually, I had two friends that had N64s, both of them. The game

console was not hooked up to the main TV in the living room. It was hooked up in like the basement or in their like family room on like the secondary crappy tv because it was like the kids tv for playing their silly games on while mom and dad were you know watching watching boring boring exactly set up with their boring devices exactly because i was nine in their boring room exactly so what a chat said lucas dissed you oh what a jerk yeah i know right yeah i don't know i i definitely hear where you're coming from but i feel like hopefully i hope this is the transition out of that to a certain degree but not as far as we were at before now is a time of change there are exciting things happening okay i like that this console is here okay you have a magic genie

that can grant you a wish and for whatever reason you pick the stupidest wish ever because obviously the best wish would be to wish for all the superpowers of all the Avengers all combined. But for whatever reason, you ask for the ability to have a magic PlayStation or Xbox that plays all games across all platforms. What a terrible wish. Okay. Look, you're not thinking straight. You're not thinking straight, okay?'re you're not thinking straight okay so you wish to have a magic xbox or playstation okay and um you're allowed to pick what it looks like

okay do you pick one that looks like the xbox series x or the playstation 5 playstation 5 really yep you're stuck with it forever it plays every game so there's no reason to ever replace it you are stuck with it forever uh okay series x that's what i thought because i think that's what i thought because the white is gonna show where more that's the only because i'm stuck with it forever. I'm going to have this thing for 60 years. No, no, no. You have eroded your position, sir. I have the high ground. Obi-Wan usually wins technically from the low ground.

He is technically usually, he beats. Could you be slightly more nerdy? Please. And Anakin jumps above him. he usually wins from the logo anyways but i if if it stayed in immaculate condition i would stick with the ps5 forever it is going to like the thing about a box is that it's timeless right whereas like a space tower is not very timeless. Yeah. And the Saturn five is amazing no matter how not timeless it is. Just because.

Did you just compare the PlayStation five to the Saturn five rocket? Same number in it. Just because something doesn't look like it fits perfectly in the now, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's unattractive classics can look cool still even if they don't fit in with modern things i'm gonna use that with my wife i think perfect you're a classic weathered don't do that one trust me yeah yeah no i'm not i'm not is she throwing things at you yet she's not a great throw so she could be throwing things at him she could just be missing you can tell her i said that her aim is terrible i've seen her try to throw stuff

it's bad it's bad yeah you hear that emma yeah sup it's a plenty time very massive variety of other positive skills um what was i gonna say what was i going with yeah so i'm not concerned if i'm telling her you said that luke says you have other skills that make up for it five she has many other skills that make up for it this playstation 5 that i have that still looks like a playstation 5 in 60 years someone comes to my house and goes why why do you have that weird alien tower looking, spin driven thing on a TV for some reason, because it's 60 years from now and we're not using TVs for games anymore. It starts a conversation. I don't know. I don't necessarily think that it not looking like a It starts a conversation.

I don't know. I don't necessarily think that it not looking like a boring black box that has no real detail except for holes and a single logo and some fins at the top is a bad thing. To be clear, the Xbox Series X is totally fine. It's just unoffensive and kind of boring. That's fair. I see nothing against it i thought in someone's house it would probably fit very well with their setup it would look great

it's like microsoft learned absolutely nothing from the last generation of trying to be like you know uh uh we work for everything this is the console that does all of the stuff yeah where Sony is just like yeah it's for gaming yeah and that's and I think that approach and that identity is captured in the designs of the new consoles I think that's fair to say I think that's very fair to say and I think that

also is slightly mirrored in that as far as I know I could definitely be wrong here as far as I know the Xbox Series definitely be wrong here. As far as I know, the Xbox Series X always comes with a drive, a disk drive. I don't know. I do think so. I do think it does come with one. Oh, wait, no.

No, I thought they have a streaming-only edition. I haven't been paying nearly as much attention to Xbox stuff because it's been kind of slow for a bit. Yeah, it does. Blah, blah a bit yeah it does blah blah blah blah blah blah that's a far move that's good that normally seems likely yeah okay i don't think it's been actually confirmed strictly speaking but it wouldn't surprise me at all um do you want to speculate on pricing so i said six hundred, guys, I was just throwing a number out there. You know, Canadian USD $600, probably, I don't know, Canadian would be like 450 USD. So I was just throwing a random number out there. What are your expectations last time

around? If I recall correctly, it was what 400 us the PS4 and then it was $500 for Xbox One, but it came with a Kinect. Does that ring a bell? Does that sound about right? I think so. This is off the top of my head, guys. Don't quote me on that. I think the One X, when it launched, cost $500. x when it launched cost five hundred dollars but i think the i think the uh the xbox one had dropped in price by the time the one x came around yeah but that was like the new console of the time sort of okay and it cost 500 bucks all right so hit me with it how much does a playstation 5 cost i'm kind of expecting between five and six hundred dollars like yeah one of those two or 550 i think this is going to be a pretty expensive uh console launch and like sure inflation whatever but like i

i yeah i think the price tag is going to be relatively high i think the blu-ray one is 600 i i think that people are going to be i i think that what happens is when you start building gaming consoles that are basically pcs as you start to get closer to pc like pricing and sony has absolutely done a lot of work here with their custom chip um working with amd uh timing it just right so they're taking advantage of a brand new graphics architecture right at the time that they're launching. They've definitely hit... man the timing is so perfect to line up with AMD's current Zen 2 architecture. Zen 3 is probably going to be better but not in the same way that Zen 2 was better than Zen 1 and Zen Plus. These are very, very capable CPU cores.

AMD is firing on all cylinders in terms of delivering CPUs that have fantastic value. The timing of this thing, for it to be as timeless as possible, is outstanding. But this is still PC-grade silicon with PC-grade silicon yields. These are graphics these are graphics cores these rdna2 graphics cores that amd is not even shipping yet these are like these are like fresh out of the foundry um i would expect the yields are not amazing at this point in time um i'm expecting 600 bucks and i'm gonna you know what i'm gonna go out there and i'm gonna make a i'm gonna make a guess here and i'm gonna say that the all digital one is gonna save you

man part of me is tempted to say 50 bucks but what i also kind of wonder is if sony can be making up some of that margin on the back end um knowing that they're going to get digital rather than physical purchases where they have to bake in retailer margin. Ooh, now that's an interesting thought. What if the all digital version was like way cheaper? Like not, we're not just talking the cost of an optical drive, you know, 40 bucks, 50 bucks, 60 bucks or whatever. We're talking like they go, okay, we want everybody buying this all digital version.

Let's make it like $200 like 150 cheaper do you think they could do like 600 449 i don't think they'll do that you don't think so what's the average number of games sorry what's the average number of games someone buys because if let's say retailer margin is somewhere in the neighborhood of like 10 to 20 so so that's 612 dollars so if they could count on people to buy what six games maybe remember guys not everybody has a massive game collection like thinking back to when we were actually kids and like didn't have a lot of money i had like four games for my snes that was it and like you would rent other games i guess renting is like not really an option anymore. The PlayStation 4 has an attach rate of 9.6 games per console. 9.6 games. Okay, so let's say let's say they can assume 10 then let's let's say they try to assume 10.

So that would be maybe another 100 bucks. So okay, that's probably a safe bet. But then if they save some cost on the Blu-ray drive, maybe they could do it $150 cheaper, 450 for an all digital version. Everyone's saying $100 max in the chat, you know what, so I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna formalize it. I'm gonna say I think it's gonna be $150 cheaper. I think they're gonna count on that all digital purchases margin. I think they're going to count on more than just the 10 AAA games. I think they're going to figure out ways to sell more digitally to PlayStation 5 owners. I think they're going to count on attach of things like they did their own headset now. I'm counting on it. I i'm i'm saying it 150 cheaper what's your what's your bet luke remember this is the wan show we can never take back these

words unless we like really really eat them really eat them hard let me let me tell you crow crow is not great i if it if it is 150 i wouldn't be like flabbergasted but i don't think it's gonna be 150 i would vote against that i okay you think it's gonna be less probably go with like 100 bucks you're going with 100 you're going with the safe bet safe bet la freyre safe bet lucas i go with the safe bet after. I'm like, no, you need the different console. But yeah, I think probably about $100 Delta. Or I think they might do something weird and do like $70. No, no, you can't do that.

Like, I don't even know why it matters. But I had this beat into me when I was working retail pricing. Like, tweener. That's what, that's what we'd call it. We call it a tweener price or a tweener skew. Um, and I remember one of the, one of the classic examples of this was, uh, I was talking to my boss about this. This was pretty early in my tenure as a product manager. And I was like, Hey, why are 600 and what was it?

640 was like a weird hard drive capacity as a tweener capacity. I was like, why are 640 terabyte or gigabyte drives? Excuse me, terabyte. Why are 640 gigabyte drives so unpopular? They're the best cost per gig out of everything in that we carry. And my boss is just like, yeah, you know what? I honestly couldn't really explain it to you that's what i would buy for myself at home but 500 gig and one terabyte outsell it six to one both of

them on either side even though they are a worse value per gig than 640 and he's just like yeah it they just don't sell that's why you have like good, better, best, because you have good so that the people who, you know, are going to have to buy the lowest end one don't feel like they're missing out on so much because the next one up is not that much better. And you have best because by the time you spend this much, you might as well spend that much. That's how a product stack works. I don't make the rules. So there's no way that they would do like a $70 difference. I will bet my, I'll bet my beard on it. You're already betting your beard on shirt sales.

You can't bet your beard on that. LTTstore.com. Dang it, you sound like my bank. What? You can't give this for collateral. You've already got it on that that's funny i yeah and you're almost certainly right i just felt like they might do that as a play to like make it that weird thing that they don't want people purchasing i think it's pretty

clear in the design language they're not focusing on that one yeah um i think so and that makes that is like the reason why if they did do a 150 delta i'm not going to be flabbergasted yes because it could be that play to like push it away and make it seem weird and odd i think um playstation has also positioned themselves over the last two years to be very much like we're for the gamers and the gamer argument of like this download is huge dude and like my parents don't want to pay for like this bandwidth uh because bandwidth caps are still a thing i know right i think i think that is a valid argument so there will be people that want to get the disk drive version that are probably going to be kids. So that's why I'm leaning away from the $150. If I want to be spicy, maybe I'll just go on the other edge

of the probably correct answer and go with $50. I said $600 was my price for the full fat version of the console correct answer and go with 50 i uh i said i said 600 was my price for the uh the the full fat version of the console right uh you've mentioned 600 i think i said 600 and 450 so one of the reasons that i'm pretty confident in 600 is because looking at how son Sony has designed this ecosystem to be used, instead of having like, you know, instead of accepting a compromise on performance, right, and allowing assets to be streamed off a disk, for example, they're saying, no, just like, just like a computer, you have to run everything off of the internal drive of the machine. In fact, on you don't have to do that you can run it off the external ssd or whatever um but they built in this they built in this storage uh the storage upgradability and to me i don't think that

they would get up there on stage and talk about installing an m.2 nvme ss SSD, which by the time the PlayStation 5 launches will probably be, like in order to hit the performance target that Sony has for it, is probably going to be something like a Samsung 980 Pro. Like that may be a 980 Evo. We're going to have to see. This is going to be Samsung's first gen 4 SSDs. And I think Phison has a controller coming later this year that could possibly also meet the requirement. These are not going to be cheap SSDs. These are not going to be value consumer SSDs where you go on Amazon or whatever, you get your WD Blue or whatever. You're not going to be installing just any SSD in this thing. And so for Sony to go on stage and talk about the upgrade path for this machine with a straight face and point at a device that is going to probably start at 250 plus dollars i

don't expect this to be like a 400 console we've got a lot of people in the chat saying yeah 400 400 i don't i don't buy it no no i don't buy it i i think i'm gonna place myself and i'm not very confident in this because i think it's gonna be $100 Delta, but just for the fun of it, I think I'm going to place myself at $599 and $549. Really? Okay. All right. I'm going to say $599. Oh, man, am I stuck with this? All right, $449 for the all-digital version. I did say $150 Delta. I'm really having second thoughts. really want to say 500 and 600 now but i guess yeah i'm stuck with it you know what else i'm stuck with 600 is a very reasonable probably the most like normal kind of assumption but i'm sticking with 599 549 i'm stuck with this message from our sponsor display uh display makes artwork things out of metal you put them on your wall and it makes your wall more pretty and it's easy to mount and it's a magnet.

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of underwear um the banana one oh the banana one's a classic that was james right james james he's he's quite a he's quite a character you know he tried to call me from the bathroom today and i knew he was in the bathroom because he walked right through a meeting it was like i'm gonna go pee and i was like okay you go do that and then we were kind of like joking about it after he after he walked through he's like well he's peeing now and my phone starts ringing it's like dude I know you're in the bathroom right now. Like, you're right there. Why are you calling me from the bathroom?

It's just, you know, there's like social contracts, right? You know, you don't call people from the bathroom. Okay, Luke, tell me something. Are you a urinal talker? Not when I can help it. Not when you can help it. Okay, so. There have been calls that I've had where I have, I've gone to the bathroom during the call.

You've gone to the bathroom. I just mute the phone while I'm doing stuff. Okay. When I said urinal talker though, I actually meant talking, not being on the phone. Oh, I will like toggle the mute. I will, I will stop processes, toggle the mute. I mean, IRL, sir. Oh yeah.

You're a urinal talker. Yeah. So it doesn't bother you that you make people like me extremely uncomfortable. But have I talked to you that way? Maybe. I'm actually not sure. I don't know that that's ever actually come up between us. We'd have to have attended like a sports ball game together or something like that you know somewhere where

you kind of can't avoid that you're all standing in front of a big trough um okay so if it's that type of thing i thought you meant like yeah no you did say urinal that was pretty specific i did say urinal you talk through the door in a bathroom um but yeah, okay, urinal, like if you're at something like that, usually the tendency is to talk at all times except when you are at the urinal. Then you like pause, do your thing, and then you can talk again. Okay, so you're not a urinal talker then. Or whatever.

Yeah, I would do so, but I do not do so by default so like if someone talks to me i see i'll talk back then you're okay with it yeah okay all right see i never i never initiate i will i will respond to people but i'll usually go like one word answer mode like you know as far as i'm concerned when you've got your junk in your hand you don't need to be having a conversation um and it just you know it makes me makes me very uncomfortable so guys for all of you out there watching at home if you ever happen to pull up next to me in a urinal okay ask for wait till we're at the sink that's the rule that's the rule and i i wish i wish that this advice was like you know meaningless and it would never come up but i have actually been approached in bathrooms before and it's like

i think there's been a lot of things recently that i think we as as humanity have been like oh that wasn't obvious and maybe this maybe this is one yeah if i'm if i'm in a bathroom the best thing is actually not the sink actually you know what there just isn't a right way because i've had people wait for me outside the bathroom and that's really weird too. It's all weird. It's all weird. You know, when there's a, when there's a bathroom involved,

it's just not great. Um, all right, let's go ahead. I've asked, I've had someone at PAX asked for my signature in the bathroom. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

I, I, I didn't really care that much because I wasn't using it. Like I had just finished washing my hands. I was like, yeah, whatever. The times when it makes me most uncomfortable. I got them to come outside with me. So I had one guy try to take a picture with me in a bathroom. I was like, hey, he's like, starts taking out his phone.

I'm like, hey, we should probably go outside of the bathroom. And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah. So that was a funny one. And the times that it makes me really put off is when i'm like with my kid so i'm helping my kids go to the bathroom yeah and they're i'm like i'm like helping them wash their hands at the sink or whatever and someone walks up and's like hey you know yeah i'd love to can i get a picture i'm like it ain't a great time right now you know i try not to be rude because the last thing you want as like an internet personality or whatever you know internet the last thing you want as an internet personality or whatever, internet famous,

the last thing you want is some thread on Reddit about what a j*** you are because you didn't have the decency to stop for 30 seconds out of your life to take a picture with someone. You don't want that. And honestly, I like it. I consider it a perk, not an obligation that people even want to take a picture with me. I'm still tickled by it i think it's hilarious that like for whatever reason my job as a tech nerd makes people want an autograph i'm like awesome i must have the coolest job in the world just not in the bathroom you know yeah and like the thing is they almost certainly don't mean any harm brain just like i don't think they do and

they're like oh my goodness i have finally seen or met or whatever this person i have this one opportunity and it just turns off little bits of logic mom spaghetti yeah sometimes you need to just be like hey just chill for a sec yeah usually, it's usually a pretty positive response. Okay, this is a great, this is a great message in the YouTube chat. Vexorian says, $480 US dollar super chat. You do realize you could get laid with that amount.

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guy has our show gotten a little bit more off the rails are we losing it are we losing our do we jump the shark luke oh no all right okay why don't we can we blow through a couple more tech topics okay this is really important okay can you be serious for three seconds, Luke? Got it. Jim Keller, Senior Vice President of Silicon Engineering. No, I was serious. This is serious. Resigns from Intel. Original source here is a non-tech, the one and only Dr. Cutress.

I'm saying his name like that from now on. Ian, that's how I'm saying your name from now on Okay, first time I met First time I met Ian Man, what did he Oh man, what did I say? It's like Hey, you're

Because I was like a complete nobody at the time It was great I forget what I called him But it was like Mr. Cutress Or like Ian or something Or like I forget what I called him, but it was like Mr. Cutress or like, you know, it was like Ian or something or like. Anyway, I was like, hey, I love your I love your articles because I've been an avid and

on tech reader for since I was like a teenager, since Anand actually works there, you know. Anyway, Ian, great guy. Love all the OG writers there. Ryan Smith, Ian Cutress, Gary Key. I basically learned technology from these guys. Ian and excuse me, Dr. Cuttriss, Dr. Cuttriss and Ryan Smith are both still there. Gary Key is at Asus. He's amazing. Great guy. Anand, nobody's heard from since he went to work at Apple but whatever presumably uh he's still doing amazing things anyway um anyway i i meet him and he corrects me he corrects me on his name

he's like it's dr cutress before he like shakes my hand and i was just like i love you immediately because that is an alpha move and i respect that because you don't know me from adam and you know what if you're gonna if you're gonna make a if you're gonna make a first impression hey it's pompous af but i love it i love it and i respect it i respect it if you're gonna go to school for that long then you might as well be called doctor thank you very much um anyway so the article is from dr cutters who by the way since then uh we have he and i have had you know good you know late night late night ramen chats and uh he's he's the kind of person that is like uh you know like a wendell from level one text where that's you know where the tech support goes to get tech

support he's extraordinarily knowledgeable um every every name you just listed out all all three of these people this this is what i miss about doing shows oh yeah because these are the kinds of people late night ramen chat and like yeah going to shows and being able to hang out with other tech creators, but like, it's like Wendell, I have spent, there, there was one Computex where Wendell and I hung out like the whole time. Yeah. Like the whole, and it was great. And it like, he's just such all of these guys. Um, but in this, in this example, I'm talking about Wendell, but all of these

guys are just such an intense wealth of knowledge and experience in this realm. And like talking with Wendell that much over that Computex was so helpful in a bunch of ways that that Computex was super productive for me in ways that I did not expect in any way. Yeah. I think I got a lot better at doing my job because i was able to talk to him about a huge variety of things and he was just so open and friendly and sharing with all of his i just those guys are all super great and nothing against their writing or video creation skills but all of them are better in person the experience is totally different and they're better in person like you can learn more talking to someone like Dr. Cutress for half an hour than you would sitting and reading articles written by him for four hours. Because being able to have that interactive back and forth is just, it's invaluable. up an article here and um basically kind of outlines um some of the things that uh jim keller has done over the years so he was hired by intel two years ago as senior vice president of intel

silicon engineering group and this is uh after coming from tesla who didn't they have their uh their electronics in their cars described as basically space age by another auto manufacturer not that long ago uh so tesla amd where he worked on the athlon 64 you know minor project small project um just a blip in amd's history apple oh yeah didn't apple have a big string of silicon successes shortly after that oh yes they did uh amd again worked on ryzen uh and pa semiconductor which i'm not actually familiar with what he did there but um basically to be clear it's not like jim keller like single-handedly designs a cpu it doesn't work that way they're far more complicated than that these days but um from from an interview that he actually posted, and you guys should just go check this out. The article is over on Nunchak.

He released just an excerpt from it talking about how he kind of went into Intel with his job being to kind of be a fixer. All that we know right now is that Intel has made some changes. They have reshuffled a little bit. They seem to have known enough about the timing of this that they were able to have these changes ready and that he has resigned effective immediately for personal reasons, but that he will remain on as sort of an advisor for the next six months or something like that. Oh, at Apple, he worked on A4 and A5. At Tesla, they're custom silicon for self-driving. So one of the reasons that I was 100% sure, let's say 98% sure, that Intel was going to come back with, you know, a very, with a big hammer in response to AMD's rising,

risen, risenness, risenness, was that I knew that Jim Keller was over there doing his thang. He's been there for two years. And actually, his most recent stint at AMD wasn't much longer than that. Let me just have a quick look here. 2012, returned to AMD, and left again in 2015. Actually, only there for a few years. So maybe we're going to see some fruits of that. I don't know. Maybe it wasn't working out. The thing about when someone resigns for personal reasons with no further details that you really don't know what exactly happened. But it's clear to me that this is sort a a bummer because anyone who likes high performance technology wants jim keller working on cool stuff all the time pretty much um and if or if nothing else you know

helping out the teams that are working on cool stuff all the time hopefully whatever's going on you know he's not sick or you know has a you know horrible family situation that he's going with so uh you know all the best for for jim and uh you know hopefully everyone at intel can uh pick things up and keep the keep the ship moving forward and it's all good and we get faster cpus you know from a consumer standpoint that's that's what we want right we want a competitive amd absolutely to keep intel honest and we want a competitive intel to keep amd keeping honest uh because the thing is guys you know a lot of you i think watching might not remember this but amd's image of like you know the more consumer friendly you know guys um a lot of that has been crafted over a period of time when amd wasn't that competitive and dr Su seems to be doing a great job

of keeping their eyes on the prize, keeping her team focused on continuing to deliver the best possible consumer value, regardless of what they have to deliver. But it's not like AMD has never been guilty of resting on their laurels as a company, current leadership notwithstanding so yeah we want competition and hopefully we're still going to have it but that's something that

was very noteworthy and that we felt like we should highlight on the land show today what else we got for today oh the five core cpu and then i hope i just want to add one quick thing yeah he said he's stepping out for personal reasons i hope he's doing okay yeah i did say that i hope his health is good okay yeah i did say that and family's good hopefully the family's good we want everything to be all good we want we want him healthy and working on like the coolest stuff and having a good life and all that absolutely okay sorry moving forward all right intel five-core CPU. This was posted by Perina on the forum, and this is actually cooler than it sounds.

So this is like a hybrid... I wonder which one of these will be on this one. Well, just chill. Just chill, Luke. Just chill. So this is a hybrid x86 platform, codenamed Lakefield, and it's got one big CPU

with four smaller CPU cores plus a bunch of graphics. It's got a low standby mode power smaller CPU cores plus a bunch of graphics It's got a low standby mode power consumption of just two and a half watts and is intended to be used in always connected Laptops like the Galaxy Book S, Pad X 1 fold and Surface Book Neo. There's 64 execution units in the GPU That's the same amount as an Ice Lake processor, but clocked lower. The chip uses 3d stacking So there's a 10 nanometer die for the core, stacked on top of a 22 nanometer die for the I.O. So that's a cheaper way to do I.O.

A 7 watt TDP. And what's cool about this is that according to Intel anyway, she's a really efficient one. And this could be their serious crack at finally breaking through the barrier of competing with arm that they have been struggling with for so long i mean adam way back in the day was supposed to be their low power answer uh silvermont or whatever it was called i can't uh man what was it was it was it called silver i can't remember um they also had uh dang all the code names it's been so long since they've made a serious play

the branding of intel atom i wonder what this one's going to be branded as uh i don't know there's a newsroom link that has a little bit more specs and information core processor with intel hybrid technology wow that's terrible i hope that's not what it ends up being called yeah oh yeah they're gonna be i5s and i3s with hybrid technology yeah okay that either tells us that this isn't actually that revolutionary or that intel is bad at branding either of which could be true yeah see like this is just to jump back to my my playstation argument remember the awesome branding that was Skull Trail? And remember how much that branding has been not utilized? Yeah, I know, right?

That type of branding. That stuff is cool. I don't want to keep going with Intel R Core TM processors with Intel R Hybrid technology. Oh my goodness. Yawn. I'm still pretty jazzed for these things so base clock 1.4 boost 3.0 coarse threads 5 um so it's got these it's it's actually very similar to the approach that you've seen taken in things like snapdragon processors so it's called big little the big is small and

the little is big and the idea is that you've got a mixture of lighter cores that can handle just like background nonsense tasks while you want to save power and then higher performance cores that kick into overdrive when you want to run a game or whatever the case may be. processor so far and i'm i'm i'm pretty excited to see what can come out of it because standby power of two and a half watts that is not that's not a lot of power for cpu and gpu did you check out page 10 uh i don't know if i made it that far got both of the processors laid out there with their processor numbers and i did yes yeah i did i had that one on that one on stream for a little bit cool good um ryzen 3000 xt specs and launch date confirmed by amazon apparently this is posted on videocards.com amazon confirmed the specifications of the 3600 xt featuring six cores and 12 threads with a boost clock of 4.5 gigahertz that is lower than the previously speculated 4.7 so we can't expect quite the

performance uplift that luke and i were talking about uh during our discussion um when these were leaked uh but the clock speed of fleet of 4.7 has been confirmed for the ryzen 9 3900 xt so that thing should absolutely scream it's going to be a fast boy what do you think of the leaked rtx 3080 cooler have you seen this yet have you heard about this no where oh here it is i have not seen this it's it's it's something yeah it's something oh my yeah Yeah, it's something. Oh, my. Yeah. Uh. Yeah.

Remember how I was talking about, but we don't need to go too far? Yeah, I do. Well, I'm yeah, i'm not super into it you also don't see this part of the card so like i just unless you are mounting it vertically but that's like such a small percentage of people you know for me the thing is i i'm still I'm still kind of struggling to get it here so the PCB is on this side I'm just like my spatial my spatial manipulation that I'm trying to do in my head here. So our PCI Express slot is over on the backside here. Or is it like, is it in the middle? I was on the left. I was on the left.

Well, this, I was on the right for this top card. Yeah. And then the I was on the left for this one. And then I guess this part right here is this part right here. No, no no this part right here is on the top yeah yeah yeah okay so that's this part right here so like where what is the shape of this pcb like look at this yeah here it is this card around yeah don't end up in the same orientation yeah right so right so yeah we're looking at opposite sides of the card i think i finally managed to do this so if we take this one and we flip it over like this way it will be

oriented the same way as that one okay there we go so that means that why can't i see the okay so the pcb is here so this is the back of the card. Here we go. Now we are looking at the top of the card as it would be installed in your system. And here we're looking at it from the bottom. So you're going to have this fan right here kind of blowing through this heat sink array right here, which presumably has like heat pipes running through it. Yep, here we go.

So there's heat pipes running through it yep here we go so there's heat pipes running through the cooler here and then this one over here is just blowing like down over the gpu i guess so i'm assuming oh man the shape of the pcb is so weird because it's it's like here here here here here you see that so there's like a cutout very odd it's really weird i don't understand why they felt the need to do this there that's what i'll say yeah it just seems unnecessary it's like engineering a solution to a problem that nobody had with that two stacked fans or is there one really tall fan no there's two fans one blowing up onto the gpu here where the pcb is and one at the back blowing straight through the card. Where there is no PCB. Because the PCB is shaped like a square at the bottom. And then it goes up.

And then cuts in. And then goes down. So the PCB is shaped like a ribbon. You know? With like the cutout shape. This sounds so unnecessarily difficult to manufacture. Yeah. But then remember, too, this is just going to be Founder's Edition in all likelihood.

So the vast majority of the cards out there are going to be manufactured more conventionally. This is clearly NVIDIA making a statement. What I don't really understand is why don't they just, like, you know, do RGB or whatever, like everybody else does? Like, why? Like, why? Why? With that said, I do think that from a cooling standpoint, this is going to be very effective. So having heat pipes carrying heat away from the GPU over to a fan that's blowing right through a heatsink fin array where it has

unobstructed airflow above it, right? Because the CPU socket's up there, but you've got case airflow coming in from the front. This thing could be way better cooled than previous graphics cards. Like, the thing you guys got to understand is that graphics cards have a lot of, like, metal on them, but part of the reason they need so much metal in their heatsinks is that when you have a fan that's just, like, kind of squeezed in there like that like that is moving almost no airflow unless the rpm ramps way up like you would be shocked at how small of a heatsink you have to strap to your graphics card with a more conventional fan arrangement to cool it adequately like if you just move all of the all the slots under the graphics under the gpu and just like put a little time like an intel stock heatsink on it most graphics cards would probably run with it maybe not quite an intel stock heatsink maybe an amd stock heatsink like

a decent stock heatsink um a push pull setup on a stock graphics card is wacky it's not push pull cool way it's not push pull no it's just so as far as i can tell the one on the bottom is kind of like blowing up into the heat sink fin and then kind of scattering the air around it kind of more like what we see traditionally now and the other one is blowing through a fin uh like a fin stack it's bizarre it's bizarre either way oh i say okay yeah i totally missed that isn't it hard to wrap your look at right isn't it okay yeah super weird super weird uh i got a question here showdan says too mad when um so too mad um at least has shipping confirmation of the case at this point uh evga has stepped up to provide

the case for the too mad collab build um as for the rest of them, we have reached out to pretty much everyone else that we would need for a pretty banging setup, and we're just waiting to hear back, waiting on shipment, and we're going to figure out sort of what that video looks like, because right now I don't know, and we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. now i don't know and we'll cross that bridge when we get to it um all right is there anything else that we promised to cover today uh the i don't think we promised to cover anything else today one thing is get 2fa on every account you have for everything including nintendo as there has been a whole bunch of nintendo accounts that have been hacked okay like in the in the hundreds of thousands also maybe the twitch thing oh oh i'll no we still got a fair bit of stuff because we got to talk about the

new intel security vulnerability i don't know if we're gonna go through all of anthony's notes here that's that's uh oh boy that's a lot of notes um but there's another one targeting the software guard extension wait is this not even the one i read about earlier this week you gotta be kidding me is there two in here there's two in here oh i knew about crosstalk okay never mind yeah maybe it's the same thing so they both involve side channel attacks on the secure enclave portion which is bad because like when attacks are targeting your secure enclave that's bad they can steal large chunks of sgx protected data of an attacker's choice oops including cryptographic keys that's bad that's bad this this part of it sgx which he's currently talking about

uh there's apparently microcode coming for this. Apparently, it was released on Tuesday, and they expect it will reach customers in the coming weeks. So that's kind of being solved. Crosstalk, however, doesn't seem like it's going to be entirely solved. There's going to be bits of vulnerabilities left due to the intensity of the performance hits of locking down those potential vulnerabilities. Um, but I'm assuming that's going to be made at least somewhat intelligently.

So the things that they are leaving vulnerable are not as big of a deal. Let's hope. Let's hope. Uh, and there was one other one that we really had to talk about today and that is, uh, Oh yeah.

Uh, Twitch, uh, enforcing DMCA on like music finally i guess i don't really have that much to say about this duh yep yeah that was gonna that was gonna happen that was gonna happen so weird for me to me for so long how it was being handled and i guess a few companies or something i don't know all the details on this but someone including i believe a few companies came together and worked

on a system where they could file proper dmcas on on like the right in the white in the right way um and and twitch has responded the way that they have to yep that's about it um so right now they are basically uh issuing uh strikes and pulling down content that has copyrighted music in it um and i believe they're even talking about don't don't quote me on this one but i believe they're even working on a system for um live broadcasts as well which could affect my beat saver streams gosh darn it um oh that makes sense yeah yeah would definitely affect my beat saver streams um but like guys this was this was a matter of time and it's kind of shocking to me how insulated the twitch community has been from the way that like music copyright works.

Like this is something that we had to learn many, many years ago on the YouTube platform. Not because YouTube is like bad guys and you're mean. Why can't I put Soulja Boy music in my video? Aside from that, I wouldn't want to. Tell them. Yeah, this. Oh. can i put soldier boy music in my video aside from that i wouldn't want to um yeah this oh uh this is more just that this it's amazing that they got away with it for so long and i saw just like some of the most asinine things on twitter like i saw this one streamer that's like well like i have my spotify account so like I pay for the music. I'm like.

Really? Like you think you have a commercial license for what? What does Spotify cost? I don't have a Spotify account. Spotify. I mean, five bucks. Premium price. Give me a sec here.

Give me a sec. You think you think you think Taylor Swift is going to give you a license to make money off her music for $9.99 Canadian a month? That's pretty expensive. I don't think so. So yeah, there's a lot of people asking these questions. Finally, well, how do I get properly licensed music? And the answer is money, money, money, money.

Um, we've had to go through that whole process because I don't know if you guys remember this, but way back in the day, we didn't have music and we started putting music right around the time. I think we did the first Scrapyard Wars actually. And it wasn't on every video at that time. But that's why the first Scrapyard Wars has all that music from the YouTube library. And we used a lot of music from the performance was royalty free and free to use, but the sheet music was copyrighted in Germany or some crap. Um, so you can run into issues where, you know, because copyright law is so fragmented worldwide, there can be claims that, uh, you had no way of knowing we're coming and you thought you had a proper license to use the music. Uh, one of the reasons we stopped using just like rando individually downloaded songs is

that there's no proper way to manage it. Like the, the digital rights management is not very good. There's no proper way to manage it. Like the digital rights management is not very good. So in some cases you'd have to deal with just like false takedown flags and you're just kind of like, yeah, there needs to be a better way. So there's libraries that are integrated

with services like YouTube, like Warner Chapel. I think we're using APM and another one now. We don't use Warner Chapel anymore, but the problem, so that way none of our stuff gets accidentally flagged we've got these extensive libraries monster cat is another really good one that one actually does cost like five dollars a month or something like that with for a license where you can use the music commercially um but there's not as much variety on monster cat as some of these other services so yeah we end up paying literally thousands of dollars

for subscription fees for these services in order to have music that we can play in our videos for you guys. It's kind of crazy how much the game changes once you reach a certain scale. And honestly, this is one of those areas of copyright and digital media licensing that i think needs a huge huge wake-up call for the present day because i remember a situation

where we wanted to make a channel super fun um parodying a top gun scene the volleyball scene and we wanted to license the actual kenny loggins song playing with the boys for the video and not to sing it but I think that's even a problem yeah not only could we not um get it for a reasonable price like the price was going to be more than we could ever hope to make through AdSense or a corporate sponsor on the video which we didn't even have because it was just a silly video we really wanted to make um not only that but they were going to require us, even at that price, to take it down after a year because there was no perpetual license for that kind of a song.

And I looked at it and I went, well, then you guys just lost the business, right? You lost the customer because I cannot afford that. And so I think what has to happen, and I don't know how to enact any kind of change uh in the way that these this music is licensed but what has to happen as the enforcement gets better and as platforms have to start enforcing that you you can't just have like some chill beats playing even if you're even if you have an audience of one on twitch or whatever um is there has to be

reasonable licensing costs that starting out creators can actually afford, or you're going to end up in this situation where only established content creators like us who can afford to write a thousand or multiple thousands of dollars check can achieve these decent production values. And yeah, there's always going to be workarounds, but like, why are are we creating this barrier to entry don't you want to get paid for your music library why not just have a sliding scale and i'm not asking for something perfect right out of the gate you know maybe something as simple as if you have under you know under 10 000 subscribers you know you can apply to use it for for very cheap but then once you grow you know the

expectation is that you've grown very accustomed to this wonderful service, and you're able to contribute more to their bottom line, and you can pay more, like something like a scale where, okay, you cross 10,000 subscribers, now you've got to pay $500 a month, you cross 100,000 subscribers, now you've got to pay, you know, $1,000 a month, you cross a million subscribers, now it's, well, you know, hey, you're, you're, you're playing, you know, big time. Now it's time to, it's time to pony up, you know, two grand a month or whatever, whatever the case may be. Because that's, that's what this thing, this stuff ultimately costs, but they're just putting people in a position where they can't, can't enter the game. And I think it sucks. I think it's lame. And I think there's a way to do it better. It's

just not really my business and I don't really know anybody in that business. So I have no way of, um, sort of presenting the problem for smaller creators as we've experienced it over the years. Like I have no problem with the amount that we pay for it now. I think it's, you know, for the service that we get, um, cause it's not just the music. It's the know for the service that we get um because it's not just the music it's the way that the music is catalogued the way that you can search for it you can kind of go yeah i want this but not this i want something like this and you can find things like that like it's it's a valuable service it's just um a lot of people can't afford it and i think people should be able to afford it that's all yeah thanks luke that was a good contribution speaking of uh speaking of afford it if we if

we keep doing the wan show i might have to uh urinal talk for for my part of the hosting oh lordy okay let's get through a couple super chats then uh robert says can't watch again but rift s finally came in looking forward to the vod and vr yeah i wouldn't watch the wan show in vr it's a long time to sit in vr, like, not do anything. Dieter says, you two are turning into Bob and Doug McKenzie. Need some toques. I don't even know who those people are. What?

Wait, hold on. Is that from the Rick Moranis movie? Uh-oh. I don't think so, unless I'm remembering it wrong. Pair of uh... Yeah, or not movies, sorry. Yeah, it's Rick Moranis and uh... and who? Wait, is this from Strange Brew?

This is Great White North. A sketch which is introduced on... This is where like A comes from and stuff, is it not? Hold on. Dave Thomas andick moranis although created originally as filler the deal became pop culture phenomenon the characters were revived for an animated series bob and doug hold on what does strange brew have to do with any of this uh they rose rode the crest of a fad that produced one comedy album the great white north

and a movie strange brew yeah okay yeah no okay so i i did know who you were talking about but i was a little a little hazy on the details there okay we've just got time for a couple super chats luke needs to pee so uh michael breach says it's 2020 what house guests fair point uh what else we got here fan to drr says good stream thumbs up hey thanks maximilian ebner says can we please get the swacket back i really need one i asked nick he said no so if you want if you want it back then you'll have to tweet at nick uh whatever his dick uh nick lmg on twitter yeah um tom cigar says garth brooks

the evidence is overwhelming tell us where you buried the bodies what this is like a meme or something because it's not the first time someone has super chatted that that is like a weird thing to spend money to tell someone uh logan coleman says i've been waiting to build a plex server for a while i feel like it's the perfect time with everyone being stuck at home but i'm having a hard time with specs. Would you be up for a video or a series on Plex server builds? Uh, basically with Plex, it's like, unless you're trying to do something really weird, like for whatever reason, um, closed captioning, or this was a while back, maybe they fixed it by now, but closed captioning was like single threaded only. So you needed like really high performance to close caption on like 4k UHD content. Unless you're trying to do like something that's a kind of an edge case.

You don't actually, excuse me, need that much power. Like you can run a Plex server off of like an Nvidia shield pro or whatever. Yeah. Um, Jack says last podcast, I asked you for a PC game for my girlfriend to play. You recommended breath of the wild while a great game it isn't exactly a pc game any other suggestions love your content and thanks for all your work all right luke can we do better can we do better than our non-pc game recommendation all right how about how about this okay mario kart ds it's an excellent game it's a great way to kill some time on the can

um you're gonna have to dig up a ds or ds light sorry what's that didn't he specifically say it had to be a pc game yeah yeah i mean well i did that's what i did last time too i specifically gave him a console game. And look at my financial incentive to keep answering this question wrong because this time he gave me $20 more, $20 more to get a real recommendation. So the longer I can string this out,

we do one WAN show every week. Hold on a second. Let me just do some business calculations for y'all. So that's 52 WAN shows a year times $20. That's the easiest $1,000 I ever made in a year. Okay. Just not answering someone's question. So Luke, you can question my answer,

but you can't question my business acumen. Fair. Very fair. Yeah, yeah. All yeah yeah all right all right there so something that i would can i make a recommendation without having played the game yet oh that's risky that's like pre-ordering but like someone else's money that just basically i have purchased the game i've been excited for this game for probably a couple of years. Not like, oh my goodness, I can't wait. But excited for like a couple of years. But then I heard it was going to come out to the Switch, so I waited for it.

And it's been waiting forever. And it's finally out on Switch. But it is out on PC. Okay, what is it? It's out on Nintendo Switch, Apple Arcade, and PC. It's called What the Golf. but you haven't played it i haven't played it but it's gotta be amazing okay so hold on a second can we find dang it it's a uh all of these are like nintendo switch trailers which you know nintendo is going to go demonetize the wan show over uh what the golf pc okay let's

let's see if we can pull up some what the golf pc apparently this channel is called defunct games but i don't know if this game is actually defunct i believe that's the company is that the company i think they made it no this says review oh no no defunct games reviews what the golf by tri-band tri-band yeah okay yeah okay so furniture or stick it does it looks pretty weird slime ball it looks pretty weird i don't know i don't know what i'm looking at here um man okay you're gonna have to give me a little bit more detail about what your girlfriend wants to play okay so i mean anytime anyone asks for it like hey can you give me a suggestion on a computer like i don't know what you need you you might need to send something into space or you might need to play uh doom like it like there needs to be a lot more information what i like about what the golf is

it's it's very theoretically and theoretically it's very light uh it's it's funny it's not way too overly serious um here's a here's a trailer that you can watch uh i don't remember jack's message from last week so i don't know if they've already played overcooked because overcooked is freaking awesome overcooked is that's it for sure did we suggest lovers in a Dangerous Space Time? Because we've played a little bit of that. That was fun. These are co-op games though.

Is he looking for him to play with her? Wait, is Bomb Squad on PC? Bomb Squad's a blast. This is another co-op game. Yeah. Oh, wait. Is he looking for games to play with her or is he looking for games for her to play by

herself i actually don't know see this is this is information that would be helpful this is the problem this is the problem all right check out that trailer check out that trailer all right and and a game that i really like that people are giving me such a hard time for not bringing up is crosscode i love crosscode it's great it's like i don't know i don't know if it's for new gamers though i would highly not suggest she needs a game for someone new to games okay so play what the golf but is holding luke accountable if it isn't amazing there you go all right there you go luke you painted yourself into that corner and you're gonna have to make an apology video probably you know what okay all

right all right all right and that's the first video i put on my youtube channel in five years thank you for tuning into the wan show ladies and gentlemen hope you guys enjoyed it we will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel for more shenanigans bye i was waiting for you to say bye. I needed you to say bye It's so hot I am just