The WAN Show - Sorry For The DDoS - WAN Show July 21, 2023

Episode Date: July 24, 2023

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What is up everyone and welcome to the WAN show! Hype, hype, hype, hype, hype. NVIDIA will not make their own version of the 16 gig RTX 4060 Ti, probably because it sucks. In other... Sorry, sorry, we have no way of knowing that because they're apparently not sending out review samples. Because it sucks. In other news, Glorbo has come to World of Warcraft. This is the best news I've heard in a long time.

This is actually really funny and I promise you it's not just going to be Luke talking about AI for 45 minutes. Yeah, only like 10. Yeah, but it's really funny. Yes. What else we got? The US government creates new security cert. No, that's not the one I meant to read. Proposed legislation requires platforms to snitch on users.

This is actually like a pretty big deal if it goes all the way through. But as far as my understanding goes, it has a ways to go. So we should step on it now. Other than that, we're going to talk about some water cooling builds. Really? Build of the month is apparently a thing now. What, introducing new, like... Meta cancels the Quest Pro.

Oh. Basically just throws in the towel. See you later. Yeah, that's kind of a big rip. Yeah, exactly. Corsair buys Drop. Nah, I don't really care about that. You know that's me, right?

What? Oh. No, it's not. Linus Media Group sold the Corsair Terran's going back wow why don't we jump right into our headline topic the accidental ddos yeah we probably should have mentioned that of where'd that where'd that go where did it go where did that go it's not a yeah what i i'm so confused right now um um um here it is whoops ltt accidentally ddos to medicaid usb too many people took us up on the title of our recent video download these handy tools now and it took down the medicaid USB site. And that's apparently all there is to say about it.

We have a picture of the temporary page that they put up where they were kind of redirecting people to the Discord or to a direct file download. And there's a discussion question. How many times have we recommended a service and accidentally swamped their service? Quite a few. Yeah, I think one of the earliest love hugs

we ever gave to anyone. Okay, where is this? Oh, it's above. Do I have an old version of the dock or something? It's under announcements. This is driving me absolutely crazy. Okay, I found it. Hey, this is awesome.

So here's the temp page that was showing up on their site. The site is currently having major issues due to the recent Uncle Linus video. Please bear with us as we panic and update our server. Oh, no. Brutal. I think one of the earliest love hugs that we ever gave was actually to Noctua. And this was way back when we were in the Langley house.

I know that we've accidentally taken down like small software projects quite a few times uh for those of you who are new to medicat this is one of the tools that we featured in our in our handy useful tool roundup earlier this week but there's some really good stuff in here password removal tools backup and data recovery all that kind of cool stuff and of course you do not have to you know buy a you know this tool i think we hugged it again fix what already oh crap it's still sort of working oh no okay well they there's a lot of really cool tools and it's not one of those you know advertised on facebook a miracle you know whatever fix your computer things it's actually like of those, you know, advertised on Facebook, a miracle, you know, whatever, fix your computer things. It's actually like chock full of pretty good stuff.

And yeah, you can get a little bit more detail about it from the video we published earlier this week, because you sure as heck won't be going to this website right now to learn anything about it. Maybe set a calendar reminder to go back. Good job, you guys. Maybe the rest of the community can remember times that we have accidentally love-hugged people. You got hugged a little harder. I even saw that they said they beefed it up, which is why I thought we'd talk about it on Wancho. I expected it to be a little bit beefier this time.

The truth is, though, that this sort of thing is very, very difficult to account for. Right. is very, very difficult to account for. Right, that was why I wanted to talk about this because it used to happen on the LTT forum, for example, on a fairly regular basis and Floatplane as well, where we would have a sudden inrush of users from something like a launch of a Christmas album, for example, or a live stream of an event

like the roast of me, where- we held up for the roast we we did but it was very challenging and we had lots of advanced notice it wasn't work yeah it wasn't the kind of thing where you can just have people suddenly you know come on to your site at 2x or 5x or 10x the volume and you can just live through it. Oh, apparently we took down Rackstuds. Yeah, I remember that. That was one of them. There's been a ton that we're not necessarily going to remember because they happened in that years ago kind of range.

But, yeah. Yeah, I remember taking down Rackstuds. Super cool product. Is there anyone else? Come on, guys. Help me out here. Help me out here. Do you want to talk a little bit about, you know,

what it takes to put mitigations in place for something like that? Because I think a lot of people just assume like it's because you're cheap or something like that. To a certain degree. Sometimes, yes, but also. But there's also a range to being cheap. Because if you're like, I'm not cheap. I'm just going gonna put the blank check

on aws or whatever else like oh yeah they'll absorb it they'll make sure you're okay but it might cost you an arm and a leg so oftentimes it's a good idea to to partner with like a range of different solutions right now for the form and flow plane uh we have kind of a doubling where we have ddos protections from our server hosts. And we also have DDoS protections on top of that from Cloudflare as well. And that doubling has been very good for us. That's been going pretty well. We also have redundancies in place in a lot of different situations.

So if something does get effectively like brought down, it should be okay because something else can auto balance and pick it back up. I've got some other good ones. Ventoy was apparently having issues after the recent software video as well. Shadow, Shadow PC, apparently went down. The remote gaming service, the USB tester. Before they were OVH owned? I think so. Yeah, that makes sense.

The USB tester that we featured on HandyTech sold out in less than two hours after the video went up. Oh, man. Thanks, guys. That's all just recent stuff. It's hilarious. Oh, Windows 9, I think, had a bunch of issues. I was pretty sure Windows 9. Yeah, after we made our video about it.

Yeah, if you're trying to do all of of it yourself it's gonna be pretty hard oh puget systems apparently had issues yeah it's i mean it's it's really challenging even even at even with our team size being what it is occasionally we will have things happen that are like oops that's that's a lot of load and it it can be really challenging, and it's not easy. Our team size is hyper small for the services that we support. It's not easy to achieve scale. We've talked a fair bit in the last few weeks about how easy it is to make Twitter. Yeah, and the base portion of Twitter is super easy to make, but making it so that it's available to hundreds of millions of users is is like the whole complication and it is a lot of complication like it's not something that should be brushed over but

just being able to do the uh just the like user kind of side of of something like twitter would not be that hard it's back hey now cloudflare protected temp page yep so apparently they were ready for the wan show today so that's uh that's good hey good job everyone all right why don't we move into what i think is probably the other big news for this week and that's that nvidia will not be making their own version of the 4060 ti 16 gig after launching founders edition cards for the 4060 ti and then actually come to think of it i don't think they did do a founders edition for the regular 4060 oh man uh-oh now i'm uh now i'm blanking on this yeah i don't think so so after doing a founders edition of the 4060 ti 8 gig they are not following that up with a founders edition of the 4060 ti 16 gig they are not following that up with a founder's edition of the 4060 ti 16 gig the one

that's supposed to come in a hundred dollars more expensive so the 4060 series has gotten really um i don't know what words to use complicated alarming frustrating remember when a 60 class card was like 200 high 300 low you know for a non-ti and a ti yeah this lineup starts at 300 for one that is very cut down the 4060 is a lot slower than the 4060 ti um like it's it's three quarters the price of the 4060 Ti and barely even three quarters of the performance. They both have 8 gigs of RAM. So then you step up another $100. That gets you a 4060 Ti, a fully enabled chip, but still with only 8 gigs of RAM, which is going to be a limitation today, or if not today, very soon.

Then, if you want the fast chip and you want 16 gigs of RAM, they want $500. So, here's what's going on. The 4060 Ti is set to come out soon. However, NVIDIA has decided against participating in the launch, apart from overseeing the testing process and regulating when reviewers can publish their results so basically they're going to provide a reviewer's guide and an embargo and pretty much let their partners go to town reportedly they will not even produce or sell their own version of the 16 gig variant nor will they be providing review samples so that's a sign of

confidence in this product what's really baffling about this to me is that if they don't think that it's going to be successful why don't they do something about it i mean everyone already knows that 40 series other than a couple of key skews i I think 4090 is moving well, 4070 TI is moving well, but basically everything else is dead in the water. Why not do something? Make the adjustments. I mean, the NVIDIA of yesteryear would have put some aggressive game bundles on these. Like, these things would come with, like, two or three AAA games or something like that. I mean, I guess that's harder in the age of everything free to play with microtransactions.

But like, you know, still, why hasn't the graphics card industry adapted to the modern gaming economy then? Why doesn't it come with $100 in Diablo 4 bucks or, you know, 50 bucks in Robux? Or like, remember those bundles when you used to be able to pick what you wanted yeah why doesn't it come with a selector i go to i go to a portal and i get a hundred bucks in you know whatever bucks i might have spent make it a compelling value there is also a bunch of modern games that do cost money not a lot but money uh they're not like full fat like 80 triple80 AAA games, but still. Like Crab Champion and Battle Bit and stuff like that,

where there is a pay up front cost that could be included with these things. Doing like a more indie approach, like you get Crab Champions and Battle Bit on a graphics card would actually probably work really well. They're both very popular names right now. I could see that moving cards. This is just bizarre to me, though. Like, instead of making the product line good, they're basically just going,

yeah, the one good one we have, we know it's overpriced, so we can't, I mean, we simply couldn't adjust the price, but that's the thing. They definitely 100 could because we already know here hold on we can actually do the math on this all we got to do is go to DRAM exchange because everything else about this card is the same it's not like there's a completely different GPU core

so we're going oh well the yields for this core could be very, very different, you know, going from the 4060 to the 4060 Ti. You know, maybe there is a difference in cost that is not publicly available. But when it comes to RAM, it is. This is a commodity product. GDDR6 is at a spot price of, let's see, session average of $3 per 8 gigabit. Okay, so 8 gigabit times 8 is going to be gigabytes. So it costs about, at spot prices, mind you, NVIDIA is almost certainly paying less than spot prices, about $25.

$25. about $25. $25. So even if they were taking 50 points, I always forget if it's points of margin or percent profit or whatever, even if they were charging double of the actual bill of materials cost to them for this higher memory capacity SKU,

then it would still be $450, not $500. This is literally the exact same product plus $25 of DRAM. But instead, they're basically just going, yeah, rather than have a reasonable pricing scheme, we'll just take our ball and go home, and you will just not have a 16-gig card. Because that looks kind of like how it's going to shake down hardware unboxed has said that every nvidia partner that they spoke

to so far has said they will not be providing review samples either nor are they sure when their own cards will be available this thing could not be lower priority i mean mean, okay, yeah, our notes here say it's possible that the 4060 Ti 16 gigs recommended retail price of $500 being only $100 less than the 4070 has made many board partners skittish. And that's absolutely true. That makes a ton of sense. How on earth could they possibly hope to sell this thing? And one of the one of the real big challenges is that if you were to go all in and say yeah we think the 4060 ti is going to be a beast nvidia will take a whole bunch of chips let's go let's build these things um the fact that nvidia themselves is not going to be sitting on any inventory of it means that you could be

basically out there on an island by yourself with no recourse, no way to sell this thing. You know what's really confusing to me, too, is you look at all these modders out there that are just upgrading the VRAM on GPUs. What exactly would prevent board partners from just putting $25 worth of VRAM onto a 4068 gig. Do you think there's some like agreements there that they can't do something like that?

Oh, almost certainly. But I mean, okay, riddle me this. I'm MSI. I'm ASUS. I'm Gigabyte or, you know, whoever. I'm someone. I'm someone other than EVGA. Sad. I'm an NVID some gigabyte or whoever. I'm someone. I'm someone other than EVGA. Sad.

I'm an NVIDIA partner. RIP. I have a 4060 Ti, 8 gig, okay? And it's a little bit above MSRP. It's like $439.99, something like that. Sure. Okay? You, the customer, take it and plug it into your system.

You're like, yep, this is a 4060 Ti 8 gig. I sure hope this core is overclocked a little bit because I paid more than MSRP for this. And then you go, hold on a second. What's this little switch on the card? Oh, that's funny. It doubles the video memory. Is this real? Or is this just fantasy?

Oh, it's real. Oh, wow. What a fantastic bonus. Would anything prevent that? I think so. Because I think there could be agreement saying that you can't change the memory on the board yeah probably i just hate i just i just hate the way that nvidia just controls everything i was gonna say i think it was last man show you're talking about how nvidia just loves control nvidia is a control company yeah i doubt they going to just let them be like, oh, we can just double the RAM.

That's fine. It's probably not allowed. Shaft2k says, the 16 gig is a completely different board design due to the bus width. I don't believe the bus width is any higher. I believe it's just two DRAM modules per whatever. Hold on a second. 4060 TI 16 gig bus width. I could be wrong about that. It could be 256 bit, but I really don't think so because as far as I can tell that GPU,

so by GPU, I mean the core, not the card, only supports on 128 bit memory bus. Yeah, no, it's 128 bit. Yeah, they just, they just double up the capacity. In fact, you know what? It's probably just denser chips because 8 gigs is not super high density these days. Because I was going to say before, maybe they've just doubled up the memory chips. But no, no, what I suspect is that

these are just higher density chips and it is literally the exact same thing. Unbelievable. What if board partners just added a physical slot to add more memory like the olden days you know what we actually have a video coming that's very much about that even though i actually looking back on it i think we've done a bad job of the title and thumbnail because it's it's called um uh starting at is the biggest lie in tech, like the starting at price. And what we're pretty much doing is taking a look at how manufacturers have manipulated starting at to make their systems in particular seem like a much more appealing option than they really are. when the only way to get them up to a reasonable spec that has enough memory and has enough storage is to give the manufacturer an inordinate amount of money.

We do the math on this. And I forget the exact numbers, but I think Apple is making something like 12 times the cost in margin on their SSD upgrades, some of them. Like just ludicrous, unbelievable profit margins on these things. And Dell was better, but not by much. And we kind of dig into how the tightly integrated nature of modern system designs makes this far more lucrative and far more possible for these system manufacturers because you no longer have the option of just buying the base model today and then upgrading it down the line you either have to pay the ransom

extortionate price at launch or you just don't have more RAM or in some cases even more storage and really you can't even change the storage however there's two sides to every story right and there is a performance benefit to the way that they're doing things a real one not an imagined one and that's actually the the example that or the the illustration that i use for this is what happened with GPUs. Man, this would have been 25, almost 30 years ago, a long time ago. It's a really good point that was brought up in the chat, that GPUs actually used to have expandable memory.

And this was in the form of slots and little sockets that you could stick RAM chips into and stuff like that. And the reason that they didn't was because of the bandwidth requirements, because of the performance requirements. Every time you add trace length, and every time you add some kind of Pogo pin or LGA or socketed interface, you are adding signal degradation. and the more signal degradation you have the slower the speeds you have to run your memory at and for for gpus then and now like gpus can basically never get enough memory bandwidth which is a big part of why the 4060 series sucks

so much because they're using only a 128 bit bus on what is purportedly a 60-class card. I forget how I started this sentence. The point is they need tons of memory bandwidth. They can never get enough. And so the decision was made that, you know, given that there was probably going to be a fairly appropriate amount of memory anyway, and by the time you needed more memory, that GPU would be out of date anyway. The decision was made to basically move forward with GPUs always having soldered memory. And those benefits do extend to modern systems.

For example, in DDR5, you ever notice that you can't buy a DDR5 SODIMM that's faster than like 4800? Yeah. You can't. But you can buy systems now that have DDR5 running in excess of 7,000 mega transfers per second Asus has one where they actually are doing a similar on package Memory chip similar to what Apple's doing with their m-series silicon that runs at like 7,700 mega transfers per second or something like that and is only able to do that because the traces are like this long So I guess what I'm trying to say

is that it's a little bit more complicated than manufacturer bad, but also manufacturer bad. Because there is no similar argument for doing that with storage. PCI Express can run over distances like so and beyond. Moving on. RCDOK asks, why aren't CPUs soldered to the motherboards then?

Well, in mobile devices, they are. Although it's for different reasons. One of the big reasons is that you are able to reduce the Z height ever so slightly giving you thinner devices and perhaps more importantly more room for cooling mechanisms above the CPU which in most mobile devices is the main heat generating component unless you also happen to have a GPU as for why they continue to stick with socketed CPUs and motherboards, I mean, it always comes down to cost, doesn't it? You just have to assume then that the cost benefit

of being able to have one motherboard design that can have dozens of different CPUs in it is greater than the cost benefit or performance benefit and therefore cost benefit, so they can charge more for it, the cost benefit of soldering the CPU and then being locked with that inventory that is only sellable as a complete package. Soldering the CPU and the RAM would be so boring. Yeah.

I mean, that's basically the high-performance nooks that Intel was doing that they ultimately gave up on. I don't think enthusiasts want that. Yeah. And I don't know if enthusiasts will ever is a big word, but I don't know that enthusiasts will ever want that. You're really not doing much building the computer at that point.

I do propose a solution in the video, though. Manchmal Scott says you can get 5600 megatransfer DDR5 sodiums. I haven't seen them. That's still not as fast as the soldered ones. The point remains the same, but you are correct. Technically, the very best kind, etc. Anyway, I do propose a solution to all of this in the video but i'm gonna make you watch it so anyway yeah because it's a good it's

a good video it's actually a good video what were we talking about right 4060 ti um our discussion question is if nvidia is going to put so little effort into making this thing a success? Why release it at all? I don't know. It's a really good question. I guess... A lot of these things are such a far run out. Yeah. I guess they don't want to pull a film studios and just be like, yeah, we're done making Scooby-Doo sequel, but let's...

We're actually... Do you know? Did you hear about that? Yeah. They just didn't release it, right? It is... Garbage canned it? It's not just kind of done.

Like it's not just shot like Batgirl where it's completely shot, but not edited. It is actually finished. And the reason that it's finished. So people were actually working on this film for some period of time after the decision had been made. They were working on this film. They need to get it to a certain point for like a higher tax credit or something no it was because their contract was that they would finish it so they wouldn't get paid like like outside outside animators or something like that i forget the exact details but basically their contract stipulated that they were

to deliver this finished work so the film was done it was in the final stages when they made the decision to pull the plug on it and then it will never see the light of day even though it is completely done because it was more beneficial tax-wise to write it off than to release it and have it make almost no money which is oh apparently the movie got leaked i was gonna. That's pretty. These are the scenarios where you always just really want someone to leak it. Yeah, that's, I support that. Man.

So that's good. The film industry is in a very, have you been following that? Only vaguely because I no longer have family members in the film industry. So I, I don't, I mean, it matters, but like, it's not, it doesn't directly impact me as much anymore. It is in a wild place right now, man. Like it's, uh, Rider Strike is, is I think one of the most brutalizing in both directions strike that I've seen of any strike in a long time. Well, that and the actors jumped in with them.

So, so basically you cannot, you cannot produce anything. And I am deeply worried about the situation because I don't think that they have as much leverage as they think they do. They're going on strike at a time when the studios are losing money on major releases. I mean, when's the last time that Disney actually made money on anything?

Like even major tentpole productions are not bringing in the kinds of profits that they used to. And so, you know, I was reading a few weeks ago about how CW basically like pulled out of Vancouver. So that was one of the networks that used to shoot a bunch up here in Vancouver and was one of the cornerstones

of the local production industry. And they were just like, yeah, we're like basically canceling all of our scripted shows because they're too expensive forget it see you later um so so the networks are looking for excuses to cut costs and then you have a whole bunch of people voluntarily going okay you don't have to pay us right now and then the networks are kind of sitting there going like did you see that um that alleged houses or alleged quote about basically starving them out. So something that came out today is that the Screen Actors Guild released guidelines for influencers.

Yeah. For, you know, how to, well, I really think they could have done this in a more constructive way. Because, you know, frankly, I'm not a member of the Screen Actors Guild. I will never not a member of the screen actors guild i will never be a member of the screen actors guild so like you actually cannot dictate the terms of engagement to me and they're it was it was done pretty poorly their wording's pretty aggro yeah if you so much as post a picture of yourself putting on pink shoes to go watch the Barbie premiere, then you are in violation of the picket line and you're a terrible person. You will be banned from ever joining the screen actors guild.

Yeah, yeah. It's like, bro, I am not good enough to join the screen actors guild. Yeah, and... I will never be an actor. And also, like, are you kidding me? You know, this isn't even a paid engagement or whatever. an actor and also like are you kidding me i you know this isn't even a paid engagement or whatever but regardless of their tone and regardless of whether they actually are the boss of me or not you know i i i fully i fully support them even if i feel like the battle is

concerning pretty worrying you know when you're in like total war right and there's that bar in the bottom that's like green and red for the strength of your remaining forces versus the how do you know this? I play video games you f*** when's the last time you played total war? don't worry about it

when was it? I don't know like a month ago what? I was just goofing around whoa yeah we pulled out a total war game for like a video and I was like oh I love no no I was like I love playing total war and then like I went home and played some total war and I oh man lost so bad because I hadn't touched it since Rome Rome one yeah yeah that lines up for me that makes sense yeah anyway um uh, so I have, oh, I don't make these decisions anymore. I've had a vision that I will have a conversation with our, with our new CEO, um, that I think we, I think we should to the greatest degree, the greatest extent that we can, at least

for, you know, some reasonable period of time, you know, let's say three months to start and we'll go from there. We want to be in full support, and that means not only not taking money from any productions. I mean, that one's fairly obvious in terms of crossing the picket line, but we also just won't be promoting them in any way. You and I aren't putting on pink dresses? Unpaid capacity.

I mean, you're wearing a pink shirt. I might be wearing pink underwear. No, yellow. Yellow today. LTTstore.com. But yeah, we want to support them to the greatest degree that we can. So we're going to do our best. To be clear, this is not because of Barbie movie.

This is because next weekend is LTX. So I was trying to hype it up. Whale Land. Yeah, exactly. This is the Whale Land shirt from last time. Whale. So I'm wearing it because is LTX, so I was trying to hype it up. Whale Land! Yeah, exactly. This is the Whale Land shirt from last time. Whale. So I'm wearing it because of LTX, not because of Barbie.

Just, you know, not supporting, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Have you guys done any promos or sponsorships with any studios in the past? Yeah, we have, actually. Not very often. It's kind of surprising

surprisingly infrequent yeah like the number of video game movies and stuff like that that come out and it doesn't occur to them to go to gaming and tech influencers i'm just like we do people even try we tried doing a thing with hot am i a joke to you and i i thought hot wheels was going to be all over it and and I think they were just like yeah We don't see the crossover, but then they did a thing with Forza and yes, obviously Forza's racing whatever But I'm like it's a game on PC that looks great people like building really nice PCs to play Forza with Like what how do you guys not see the crossover? There's people that like Hot Wheels that like computers come on. Oh well see the crossover there's people that like hot wheels that like computers come on oh well anyways um should we move on yeah keep it chill in the chat guys um you know union versus no union

is not a black and white issue no if you think it is you're wrong yeah It's just not. It's nuanced and complicated, and every situation is a little bit different. And this situation is very challenging. That's all I have to say about that. It's time for a couple of merch messages. If you guys are wondering, Super Chats, Twitch Bits, those are not the way to interact with the show. The way to interact with the show is with merch messages all you

Got to do is head over to LTD store comm where we actually have a couple pretty exciting things To talk about this week you head over to LTD store comm and in the cart You will see a box with if to fill in a merch message when we're live and it will pop up down here Thanks to producer Dan or producer Dan will reply to your message With his fingers like that. Oh my buttons not working. I can't show producer Dan anymore. Dan will reply to your message with his fingers like that oh my button's not working I can't show producer Dan anymore oh oh nope it's working now cool okay or producer Dan will reply or he will curate a couple for me and Luke to talk about uh Dan do you have a couple for us to maybe show how merch messages work yeah sure let's see what we've got

here question for Lukeke i recently started a job as a full stack developer for the government i'm wondering how you feel about the differences between private versus public and switching between the two oh like private and public sector work i believe so yeah i believe so yeah um i don't know have you ever worked i don't know. Have you ever worked for public? No, I don't think I have a very satisfactory answer here. Um, I, they're both very legitimate lines of work. I think there's a immense amount of red tape to jump through on the, uh, public sector side of stuff. That can be an immense amount of red tape on the private sector side of things too.

Exactly. It depends what you're doing. And it also depends on where you are at in the chain if you're working in public sector but you are just you know dealing with the tickets um maybe there's no red tape for you to jump through you're just doing what you have to do so i don't know i'm sorry i really don't have a lot to say i have no issue like if someone applied here and they had public sector experience i I'm just going to count that as the same as someone who had private sector experience. Like it doesn't mean anything

different to me personally. It might be particularly interesting depending on where you worked in the public sector and what you were working on, but that's the same for private sector. So yeah, I don't know. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think that there's some general rules that you can kind of apply. I mean, at least here in Canada, is all I can really speak to, but here in Canada, public sector workers tend to get, for example, pensions that are very, very generous compared to what is typical in the private sector, where as far as corporations are concerned, I'm sorry, you're not working for

me anymore why am i why am i giving you any money um yeah yeah i also see people interpreting public sector work as like you're now on like the track you just stay in public sector forever as long as you don't massively screw up you'll just like have a job no i i don't think it i don't think it's necessarily like that and i don't think you necessarily have to have that attitude about it um i mean i think you might have interpreted that in a way that i was not trying to say it or maybe i said it poorly i don't know but i wasn't saying it as a negative thing oh oh i see what you mean yeah yeah i mean i oh i thought you were kind of saying that people just feel like they can check out and just like oh no not necessarily just like if you if you just keep pushing it's it's like very high job security basically but not that you should necessarily

slack off i know people that have been i know of people that have been laid off from public sector it does happen yeah for sure but like yeah good pension good benefits like it's a it's a good place to be in but you could get in a better place in private sector. There's going to be a ceiling. Yeah. There's going to be a ceiling in the public sector. So there's no free lunch, right? There's always trade-offs. And we were actually trying to recruit someone for an only tangentially related position from the public sector.

And when they did the math, it was, you know, it was very, it was very challenging for them. They were kind of going, okay, so right. The wage is higher, but the odds of the government of British Columbia existing in, you know, 40 years when I'm reaching the end of my career is somewhere close to 100%. years when I'm reaching the end of my career is somewhere close to 100%. The odds of Linus Sebastian and Yvonne Ho existing in that time is pretty good, but not as close to 100%. And this is something that they need to factor in along with the differences in pay today versus the

long-term benefit. I think that something people don't necessarily account for is that pensions look a little bit more generous than they actually are in many cases. This was something that I figured out with life insurance a long time ago. There was some fancy life insurance product that someone was trying to sell us, where basically when it matures, you actually get back everything you paid into it.

And I was like, how does the math on that work? And it's like, oh, right. Because they've been taking, because they've been taking my money for 35 or 45 years or whatever. And they're just giving me back. You give, you give, you give me five bucks now. I'll give you five bucks in 30 years. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So that's, math. So when you look at whatever your pension is, the math might look really, really favorable today. But if you were to just take money and squirrel it away now and build yourself a nest egg that is made up of an investment, say, for example, that pay dividends, then I don't know. How does that pension compare?

And pensions aren't as sure a thing as it feels like they used to be. Well, they've changed, so they're not. Yeah, you look at the way that public pension funds are just getting the crap kicked out of them sometimes, and it's scary, man. I read a whole article on how they've... You read a whole article? Yeah.

Did you? A whole article. I'm a good article on how they've... You read a whole article? Yeah. Did you? A whole article. I'm a good boy. Gold star. It's on the, like, the... of pensions specifically. Right. And how they've just kind of, like, ruined them over time.

They used to be a lot more secure. They used to be a lot more guaranteed. And now they've been just, like, trashed. To the point where retiring is, like, kind of scary because you just have no idea what's going to happen with your pension. Yeah especially because like with how long people are living these days you could be retired for 35 years assuming you retire at 65 and live to 100 which is obviously unusual. Not common but happens. But not unheard of. Yeah.

And you do not want to be 98. And totally broke. And completely flat broke, right? That's a bad time. Yep. All right, Dan, want to hear this one another? Yeah, sure thing. Let's see.

Hi, LLD. Can you talk about the first time or the worst time you have accidentally violated an NDA? Ooh, I think one of the worst ones was with the Pixel. I think it was the Pixel 4a or something like that. Pixel 4a or Pixel 5a. Went up a day early, right? The 3a or something. I don't know.

I was using it early, and I was on WAN show, and I pulled out my phone i was gonna say it's probably on lan show yeah i know it's okay companies i understand he does it to me too yeah i um i mean at least it's been an accident every time but there's been yeah there's been at least a handful of times that I have accidentally violated an NDA. I think there was a video that was accidentally scheduled one day early or like one hour early or one minute early or something. Yeah. I mean, it's one of those things where a common time for NDAs to expire is 6 a.m. Pacific time. And the reason for that is that it's still the previous evening is it previous or whatever whichever way the dateline goes i can never remember but it's still the no the following

it's still the following evening um in like southeast asia and china and then it's still daytime in europe so it's like yeah yeah it's like morning in Europe. No, no. It's afternoon in Europe, morning to late morning in North America, and it's still evening in Australia and China and stuff. And so it's like an ideal time from a global sending out emails and publishing videos standpoint. But most people in this company don't get up at six in the morning. So we will sometimes have videos

that are just scheduled to go live and nobody's there looking at them. And if they include some information that they weren't supposed to, or if they go up at five instead of six, cause we clicked the wrong button or whatever, and people try to contact us, we're right so sorry i guess yeah um it's not really much that we can we can do about that i'm just trying to find if there's anyone that has searching my inbox for nda brings up um

here's result one to a hundred of many yeah so i was trying to find if um if anyone you know would complain to me about anything but i i yeah i don't see anything generally speaking we try to be pretty clean about that stuff because it's a really quick way to not be able to get review samples anymore breaking embargo or violating a non-disclosure agreement and to be clear i know there's some people that are sort of just like anti any kind of agreement between media and manufacturers, but it's like... Let's just be some. Okay, what's your...

You can't get review samples at all if there isn't any NDAs in place. What's your proposed solution? They have magical fairies that they give the phone or the graphics card to that all depart their headquarters at different times to ensure that you account for the different flight times to all the different places that these devices need to be delivered so that they'll all get it at exactly the same moment.

You want Mark Rober to design packaging that literally is indestructible until it can be opened at exactly the same time. You've got to be realistic, right? They do their best to get everything out at kind of the same time ish. And then they have NDAs to ensure that everyone has a similar amount of time to work on their articles or their videos or whatever the case may be. Yeah, I can't find any.

That's okay. I'm over it. What were we talking about again? Oh, yeah, sure. Let's do a couple more topics. Okay, do you want to talk about your proposed legislation that requires platforms to snitch on their users? This one is really rough once you start trying to break down

how it would work at all. The Senate Judiciary Committee has forwarded a piece of legislation, the Cooper Davis Act, that would obligate online communication services and social platforms to report users to the DEA, the Drug Enforcement Agency, if the platforms suspect them of being involved in criminal drug activity Okay, the problem with this is that like the definition of criminal drug activity. Oh, yes, I Think we could say outdated at best. Oh, yeah Yep, the bill does not explicitly require balanced imbalanced maybe It's just it's also especially in the States. the states well yeah that's what we're talking

about and stuff oh it's all over the place it's so weird and like in some places it'll be fed and i don't understand how this works i'm not i'm uh i don't i'm not in that area i don't do those things um but in some places recovery it'll be federally illegal yeah but i i don't know i think it's usually the other way around where it's legal federally, but illegal stateside. I think it might be able to be the reverse as well, but I don't know how that works. I don't know. The bill does not require, this is in quotes, the bill does not require providers to seek out illegal activity by users, end quote. But it creates incentives for companies to, incentives creates incentives for companies to surveil their users and does

require that once providers are aware of this activity, they must report it or else face steep fines, legal liability, and potential criminal prosecution. Again, in quotes, proponents of the bill say that it would help crack down on illicit drug markets that have been proliferating on social media platforms, end quote. But privacy advocates have criticized the bill as potentially furthering, weakening, and in quotes, already inadequate privacy laws. Strongly agree with that. And undermining encryption. Yeah, this is kind of brutal. Like, I'm looking at it

going you know if someone um okay i i look i i don't personally partake so my ignorance may be pretty ignorant but you know i could see someone using facebook marketplace for example hypothetically to uh to do some kind of transaction let's say uh you know you know how okay for example, hypothetically, to do some kind of transaction, let's say. You know how, okay, for example, you can't buy lawn darts on eBay. Okay. So everyone who wants to sell lawn darts on eBay sells the box for lawn darts. And oh, by the way, if lawn darts happen to be inside it, whoops, I had no idea. So I could see people selling pictures of a marijuana leaf on Facebook Marketplace,

and that's code for it. I don't know. Maybe this is a thing. Maybe it's not a thing. I legitimately actually don't know. But then where's the line for this? If Meta knows... I am selling an unknown brick.

Yeah, if Meta knows that people are doing this, all of a sudden, or if they suspect it even, all of a sudden, are they required to... And especially a platform like Meta where they're trying to gather any possible information about their users. They might have to change what they're doing in order to not expect these types of things. The harshness of the penalty for failing to report is likely to encourage companies to over-report users for protected free speech, which may result in a chilling effect that prevents users from discussing past addiction, joking, or reaching out for help. The Senate has yet to put the act to a full floor vote. Again, it's not like, this is not, it's not true. Some people are super mad that I'm not a pothead. And then others are like, yeah, I knew it.

Mad that you're not a pothead? Yeah, I don't know. How do you be mad? People just like, you know, having things in common with people. My creator must do what I do. Or else I'm angry on internet. I'm high on life, okay? Got these ketchup chips.

Dare. Oh, man. that's great uh but yeah i don't know i hate this thoroughly as as someone who runs platforms this sounds like the worst yeah it sounds basically i mean even if we ignore the overreach even if we ignore the complete lack of sensibility in narcotics laws in, I mean, really the world, the inconsistency as well, even if we ignore all those issues, how on earth could they possibly hope to enforce this? Enforce this How can you prove that they they knew that this user was? How can they prove that the platform suspected a user of being involved in criminal drug activity I wouldn't be surprised looking at the like the wording at least for the penalties involved

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some amount of like uh bounties for reporting your company for not reporting things so you could like make a bunch of money for throwing the company that employs you under the bus just go somewhere else um because i i i feel like they've the the only the only sites and services that would really be doing any amount of assessment of users at this level would be really big sites and services that have lots of money and have lots of employees. And are probably at a point where they're like, the people coming to work here, they don't necessarily care too much about the company at that scale. So maybe they'll take the payday. I don't necessarily care too much about the company at that scale. So maybe they'll take the payday. I don't know. It just seems kind of whack to me personally. Yeah, Bixby in Floatplane Chat says,

Suspicious activity reports are a thing for banking institutions, for example, to report suspected money laundering. I feel like that's different. Well, no, like in terms of how they could incentivize the employees, like what you're talking about. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep, I could see that. And, I mean, drugs are one of those things where you will definitely get people with very polarized opinions about it. You know, you'll have people with the giant marijuana leaf on their T-shirt literally walking down the street holding a bong.

marijuana leaf on their t-shirt literally walking down the street holding a bong and then on the other side of it you've got the you know think of the children prudes who are like i there should be no drugs in the world they should take all the naturally occurring plants that have you know um tylenol bad isn't that the one that's bark or something I don't remember not to that degree but like you know anything with a psychoactive effect should basically be put in a big fire oh but not close to people in Australia and we should get rid of all of it right like so you've got you've got both sides of this so I think you're gonna have people that are just essentially ready to go to war over this immediately after something like this would have passed I mean I man I was about to say,

I really don't see how this could possibly pass, but, like, I don't know, wilder things have happened. Look at the gong show that was, like, natural gas stoves or, like, ranges a little while ago. Like, just how quickly people can form ranks and just go after each other. Also, you know, given the number of recreational drugs these days that are pharmaceutical products, how on earth do you prove that I didn't need that Adderall?

I mean, I didn't get it from a pharmacy in this case. So that's one thing. Maybe they were closed. That's if they're using it as a marketplace but lots of these places they're also including just talking about it right and i i i don't know but i i just looking at the things that i hear like you you hear about a lot of fatalities from fentanyl for example that's a big one in vancouver we hear news about that all the time um but fentanyl is a is a drug they give in hospitals yeah so like

what if someone is prescribed fentanyl well you wouldn't be prescribed it is it only ever administered at hospitals because the the amount of it to be lethal is like so tiny it's very trace tiny yeah what if you talked about how it had been how you've had it before yeah but you were just meant in a hospital and you're reported to the police even if that person doesn't ultimately end up in jail look at the amount of administrative nonsense that you're creating what a what a waste of time when police departments quite frankly have enough on their hands. Someone in Floatplane Chat says you can be prescribed fentanyl for at-home use. My dad had it.

No way. That sounds terrifying. Lost Insanity says, hey, so the state of Louisiana finally sent out an email today that those who were affected by the Department of Motor Vehicles hack that occurred. They're providing a year of life lock to anyone that was affected by it, but they finally notified people of it at least. This is something that I've found quite confusing for a long time. So you know how difficult it is to change a social insurance number

or for our American friends a social security number? Once you have it assigned to you, you know how impossible it is to change your birth date, for example? These key pieces of information that can aid people in committing identity theft or fraud. you know how impossible it is to change your birth date for example like these these key pieces of information that can aid people in committing identity theft or fraud um the fact that the only mitigation that is offered are these um these monitoring services like uh i get life lock is one that i haven't heard of before but but. I've heard of it before. I find it weird that they grant you a temporary amount of time with a private service. Yeah.

Well, that's really weird to me. That's exactly kind of where I was going with that. So whether it's like TransUnion or LifeLock or any one of those kinds of organizations. Why? Why is this a thing? Yeah. This feels like one of those things where you look at it and you go, that's got to be lobbying.

Oh, yeah. Because the obvious answer is a permanent solution. Yes. And the not obvious answer is one that you pay a subscription to some rando third-party company that has had their own breaches in the past. I don't know if LifeLock has, but TransUnion certainly has. Forever. And I'm sorry, you're giving me one year? So what? breaches in the past. I don't know if LifeLock has, but TransUnion certainly has. Forever! And I'm sorry, you're giving me one year? So what? If I'm a criminal

mastermind, I basically just go do-do-do-do-do I'ma wait 365 days a do-do-do-do-do, this information will all still be valid do-do-do-do-do. Come on! Are you serious right now? This is ridiculous. January 15th, 2023. Thousands of norton lifelock customers

had their accounts compromised in recent weeks potentially allowing criminal hackers to access customer password managers uh the company revealed in a recent data breach notice cool no that's a nice hat i disagree disagree. This is from Floatplane Chat. They do know better. I think they do know better. I think it's just the oldest reason in the world. It's money. Money, money. Man, if you want to go down a good rabbit hole, the fact that TurboTax exists at all. Oh, God, yeah. Okay, you've already done this one oh yeah that's such that enrages me that should so not even close to be okay that's so frustrating like i i i understand government

services and some private services even you shouldn't just be able to like crush companies from existing all the time and stuff like that but that same setup should not be allowed to exist to forcibly keep completely useless motions in in like completely useless things in motion it's so incredibly frustrating people are mad about the u.s tax system yeah it's not as bad in canada but it's still completely messed up it's still bad it's still ridiculous messed up. It's still bad. It's still ridiculous. American tax is just a complete utter joke. Like, potentially worse than... There's so much

stuff that's so dumb. One of the things that I was just outraged to find out as an adult is that when you buy a second-hand vehicle, you have to pay sales tax on it. And I'm sitting here going, no, you already taxed this. That's double dipping.

Like, am I, if I, okay, if I, if I... Oh, if you want to go down the double dipping rabbit hole, there's a lot of that. There's an absurd amount of that. Like, if I deduct something this year, do I get to deduct it again next year because I gifted it to my wife? Like, what are you talking about? you guys just trade back and forth oh i'm sure people do that it's it's such a joke

man oh i don't know it's very very very frustrating the whole like we know exactly how much you owe but you need to tell us and if you're wrong you're screwed yeah what why yeah do you know how it works for corporate tax here not as much okay so uh you know how with personal taxes you um you have them deducted by your employer on your paycheck automatically right um or or you cannot right like you can you can go that option if you want i don't think that's something that we offer just because offering both sounds like a paperwork nightmare um no offense to everyone but people do not manage their finances very well so if people got their whole paycheck uh every time then in when april rolled around they would not have honestly that is very wise and i support this like 25 to you know 30 plus percentage of their annual income that they would owe in taxes

at that time so anyway the way personal taxes work they're due in april in tax season and you pay them at that time and the way corporate taxes work is based on your last year, you will pay installments every month based on the last year. And if it turns out you were wrong and you actually owe more, then you owe interest for not like estimating it correctly. So instead of it just like having a due date at the end of the year, you need to be paying it continuously or you basically get boned. It's absolutely ridiculous. Oh my God. Yeah it i hate it so much i'm pretty sure they don't pay you interest if you overpay on it either but don't quote me on that don't quote me on that

surprised yeah i'd be i'd be very surprised i had no idea but someone said we don't do taxes in the uk it's done by the government that that is how that should work Whiskey tank doing it anyways employees should be able to decide what happens with their money. No, no, you're actually just wrong. Yeah Because they don't get to anyway they owe it in taxes. Yeah, it's just that we don't want people to suddenly go bankrupt Yeah, that's really bad. Actually extremely chaotic. Yeah. Not, not having those taxes on hand, not having those tax payments on hand in April would be potentially devastating to the lives of someone who didn't manage their money correctly. And most people, which is very common. Yeah. Most people are not able to just look at like $10,000 in their bank account and go, okay, no, I should actually hold on to that.

And like Luke said, the additional paperwork of handling it both ways would be extremely complicated. That alone is like, that makes it kind of not worth it in my opinion. Yeah. Where are we at? what are we doing we're talking about proposed legislation for platform snitching yeah is that it we got to do one more yeah let's let's talk about something else do you want to do build in the month yeah why not kind of fun yeah yeah so we we requested submissions for custom water cooling loops and we got some pretty amazing ones dan do you have these or do i show them or like how does this work i have no idea i guess you show them i was hoping we would have them in a in a different way of showing them this is you're the

doc for you not me i mean i guess how do ad spots work dan i am uh made aware of them before the show. Yeah. So we thought this might be as well. Oh, cool. Well, at any rate, this is pretty sick. Luke, do you want to talk through them and I'll show them? Sure. Yeah. Oh, that's unfortunate. Dan, I fix.

I fix. Yeah, you can just get rid of us for now. This looks flippin' amazing. Simple but elegant. Also, are those ltt edition fans oh it's hard to tell with the red lighting i can't tell you know what no i think they're chromaxes i think they're chromaxes i think they came later but that would have been pretty sick this is from at redneck engineer it's a 7950x, 7900XTX, and all EK water block cooling components. Because that's how you redneck engineer. No, no.

I showed you guys how to redneck engineer a water cooling system earlier this week. That is how you actually redneck engineer water cooling. This is the first ever custom loop with 3D printed chassis. Yeah, I was going to say that case looks 3D printed, but it actually looks really cool. 3D printed chassis looks sick. By Dan... Oh, I feel like I've read this name out before, but I don't remember how to pronounce it. Sundqvist?

That's very wrong. Sundqvist? That sounds more right. I'm certain I've tried to say that before. Or at Datafl, mostly used alpha cool parts. Those are really cool fans. Agreed. Oh, yeah.

I really like those. Are those those Lee and Lee ones? You don't know and it's okay? No. All right. you don't know and it's okay no all right i am actually really digging this open concept from yan k yeah i like i like that it's not just a flat board it's a flat board but with angles with angles it's an angled board it's a parallelogram it's not just turned though it isn't because the the sides are oh yeah no no that yeah it's a parallelogram it's not just turned though it isn't because the the sides are oh yeah no no that yeah it's a parallelogram yeah both sides parallel yeah very cool looks yeah kind of

sick kind of love it i i enjoy board mounted pcs but they often look junky and cheap this one does not look junky cheap it looks great the backlighting helps a lot. That looks cheap, but it doesn't look junky. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, these holes. Well it doesn't look that j- two dual rads and stuff like the the board itself doesn't exactly look necessarily expensive It looks like a project board from Home Depot, but yeah It's done nice. Yeah, yeah, but the the system build is really nice. I can also tell that Some adjustments were made to get the the fan connectors through the holes. I've been there.

I've been there, Jan. I feel you. I appreciate the shown work. We've got two more. One. Wow. We have three more. That is unreal. Old school from back in the Th ripper days by at xx boosty xx

and this is an honorable mention from diy perks this appears to be something from an upcoming video i am a diy diy perks fanboy and uh me tooboy, and this is part of why. I tried to get him to come to LTX, but it's just too far. It's quite far. Yeah, someday, someday. I'd love to get you out here, man, but we weren't able to make it work this time. Of course, the main reason that we built all of this up for you guys and got you all, you know, whoa, look at these great builds,

is because of the best one. The best one. Dishonorable mention. This avant-garde use of garden pond pump by spear83 is just

beautiful. Apparently they did a reverse image search to confirm that it's not a common meme image and it is fresh This is it It's like looking at your grandfather It's like bathing your grandfather Alright absolutely love it Alright do you want to do do you want to do Glorbo comes to World of Warcraft

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they aim to provide their customers with tools and parts that may otherwise be unavailable to them or too expensive. Nope. I want to do, yes, I want to do something. We're going to get to the merch messages. We're going to get to Glorbo. First, I got to talk about merch, not messages. That's right live unboxing Luke. Are you ready? Yes? Okay, cuz you're doing it and Dan's gonna be on the camera. Oh boy I love unboxing things I've never seen before. You guys are gonna somehow Surprise me and be half competent at this for a change. You keep giving us stuff we've never seen before well

No, I just mean don't you got Dan moving the camera all over the place. I remember. And then you've got Luke moving his hands all over the place. So my job is to intentionally move it out of the camera frame. No, that is not your job. Your job is to hold it still. And Dan, your job is to not chase it too much. I mean chase it a little. Dan. Dan. Dang it, Dan! What's happening? He's turning off face detection. The camera no longer knows where Luke's beautiful face is. Oh my god. You guys are both killing me.

Wha- wha- what am I doing? Okay, we're good. Dan- oh my god! Is that what I'm doing? Stop it. Okay, you guys can't do that. You're going to give people motion sickness. Okay. Okay, Dan, you have to move to the right.

You've got to move to the right. You want it centered. Yes, I want it centered in the frame. Don't forget there's a lower third. That's what I'm setting up. Oh my god. I have no time for that. I just got signed out of my Google account.

Technically, this is the best time for that to happen. I don't even have the dock! Are we professional? Um... Oh man, I think I remember... I think I remember this password. Oh... Okay, alright, I think I'm back in the dock. Anyway, we are finally launching it!

The LTT Stubby Screwdriver! and i've got all the dates and everything it is going to be available at ltx we'll have all we have all four launch versions to show here on the wan show um they're going to be in limited quantities at ltx and the online launch is coming august 17th luke do you want to start unboxing it sure you can sign up for a launch notification at lmg.gg.stubby. Are you not going to comment on Sarah's packaging or anything? It looks very nice. I do also believe there would be a cardboard box of bits here, six bits.

Six bits. So it comes with six bits. It's a six-bit driver. It looks very, very reminiscent of the full-size screwdriver, which makes sense. Yeah, it's the same box. Yeah. Well, no, it's smaller. It's not the same box.

Yeah, it's a smaller box. But. Well, no, it's smaller. It's not the same box. Yeah, it's a smaller box. But it is the same ratchet, correct? Yes. Exactly the same ratchet. Same high-quality knurling. New tooling for the shorter handle, obviously. And we had to do some work to get the same pop-up bit storage mechanism on the much, much smaller driver.

Oh, I guess I asked you to do the unboxing. Go ahead. get the same pop-up bit storage mechanism on the much, much smaller driver. Oh, I guess I asked you to do the unboxing. Go ahead, you can talk. Oh no, it's fine. Yeah, yeah, this feels about the same, but it's half, which makes sense. So there's six instead of 12, but it still pops in and pops out. This will, right now it's like taking a little bit,

but these work in slightly over time. So as you use it, it'll be a little bit less stiff the selector i think is identical is it even the same size it is the same and that's because the ratchet is identical i'm assuming so it goes around it and i've got something really exciting to show the people do you notice anything different about the one that I am handing you now? No way! Okay, so there's a black shaft one. So for the people that wanted to get the black shaft one of the full-sized, you will now be able to get a stubby in the same shaft color as the main full-sized screwdriver that you had.

I had no idea we were doing this, actually. Or if you happen, yeah, if you already have the black shaft full-sized one and you like the patina, then you can have more patina, this time smaller patina. So there's a total of four SKUs available. Oh! Everything is fine. Yeah, black and orange plastics with a silver shaft, black and orange plastics with a silver shaft um black and

black plastics with a silver shaft and then black and orange with a black shaft and all black blackout edition with the black shaft and all black plastics oh my goodness these that's okay i'm back to the wide cam and yes yeah they do they do stand up that would have my goodness been a lot easier there There you go. Really, really excited to finally launch this. You know, guys, I know it seems like a simple thing. Like what? Like you just, oh, whoops, not that.

Oh, great. Very good. Oh, I got this. It seems like a simple thing, right? Have you ever done this before? Like it's the same screwdriver, but smaller, right? But that's a lot smaller. but if you want it to be right Dang it you have to It takes a lot of work, okay

Gotta make sure that you know when you change the handle it doesn't change the tolerances somewhere else you got to make sure that You wait man. We went back and forth a lot on whether it should have knurling at all Because if you notice like one handing theing the knurling, it's... You can do it, but it's cramped for sure. Yeah, compared to the full size. But then we're looking at it going, everything is going to be cramped compared to the full size on this one. That's kind of the whole point. I like the knurling because I can technically get there.

And if there was a bit in there as well it would give it slightly more yep so it would it would work yeah it's it's it's nice it's nice to have i prefer it um i i advocated for having the knurling on it um we know that it's not the shortest stubby screwdriver in the market but we just were not in a position where we were going to be able to re-engineer the ratchet and make it significantly smaller. So knowing that... I think keeping the same ratchet was, was worth the size. I think so too.

I also think six bits is going to accomplish a lot of what people are looking to do. Yeah. Given how many people say that the Robertson bits that we include with the main screwdriver are useless anyway, that's already three of the 12. Then again, people can build their own kits and they can have their own bit sets or whatever with the full size screwdriver

anyway, and so some people will build out like torques or Imperial hacks or metric hacks or whatever the case may be yeah You might want to customize the the loadout, but I think with six especially with something like this feels a little more specialized Oh, yeah, I think the bits are listed on the back of the box there So yeah, the included ones are Phillips zero Phillips one Phillips to slot for slot six and our classic Magnet bit yeah, that's gonna get a lot of what you're gonna try to do. Yeah, it's a pretty pretty sensible pretty sensible one So just head to LMG GG slash stubby and you will get a launch notification It's not gonna be cheap because, the only difference in cost for us is six fewer bits,

which is not that much of the cost of a screwdriver, and a few cents less of plastic, and a few cents less of metal. Yeah. So it's not going to be... The same ratchet is in there. The same high-end tooling from ITD was paid for. Yeah. Less of it because we didn't have to reshoot the end cap and the selector ring and all that kind of stuff.

But we did have to redesign for the new handle so that was expensive gotta pay for it somehow but i'm yeah i'm very very excited uh yes the bits are identical to the standard screwdriver so they are the same shorty bits as we call them uh in other news also happening at ltx is lt So for the merch, online orders will be available until Friday, July 28th at 3pm. So if you are not a float plane $10 tier member yet, now is the time to become one if you want to order

any of the LTX exclusive merch. There's no link in the doc, but hopefully I can find that for you guys extremely quickly here so you can see if for you guys extremely quickly here. So you can see if any of that appeals to you. You will also be entitled, if you are at the $10 tier, to a digital pass, which gets you access to basically a whole bunch of exclusive behind the scenes content that our social team is going to be producing while we are at the show. Let me just see.

I do not. I do not know how to find the merch. Is it through buy tickets? Ah, yes, here we go. All right, cool. So here's LTX 2023 exclusive. You gotta log in. Dang it, dang it, dang it, dang it. Well, okay, fine.

We've got these cool desk pads. Vancouver Dinosaur, and I think this is called zero gravity or something like that What a professional. If you want to do some browser typing go to lttstore.com slash collections slash LTX dash exclusive I think it's Nice. There we go designer series desk pads available in these three super cool styles we've also got the tie-dye ltx shirt look at riley thanks for modeling for us riley

love love to love to see it uh same thing in a hoodie man this hoodie looks so cool enamel pin whale plushy whale key keychain, passport, and LTX 2023 flag. All right. I think I just have one last thing to chuck in here. Oh, yes. We have a backpack update. We have removed the stands on its own messaging from our marketing on the page because we've seen a lot of feedback from buyers that this feature really depends on how you load the bag.

So, for example, if you have a bunch of stuff in the front and only a little in the back then it's not gonna hold that form and it's not gonna stand there's no changes to the product but we've removed that messaging based on feedback from buyers and we just want to be transparent about all of that all right wanna hit us with some merch messages Dan yeah sure I've got quite a few here. Let's see. Hello, LLD. Will the LTT screwdriver be available to use bits from iFixit?

Oh, sorry. I spaced for a second there. Will the LTT screwdriver be able to use bits from iFixit? Well, they're a standard quarter-inch hex, so they will use any standard quarter-inch hex anything. But I actually told a big fat lie a second ago when I said that I had no more merch updates because this is the reason you actually saw me driving the opposite direction when you were on your way to the studio to start the WAN show, Mr. Luke. Luke does not care.

I'm busy doing work. Okay. We're both busy doing work. Yeah, well, complain to my boss. All not care i'm busy doing work okay we're both busy doing work yeah well complain to my boss all three of us are busy doing work believe it or not this is work oh sorry i was watching youtube what what can okay sorry what's going on you're showing me the thing that you wouldn't show me earlier yeah i'm showing you the thing dan you might need to to man the camera again. Oh, boy. Inside this iFixit ProTech 64-bit toolkit is something very special. Okay.

Oh, man. You guys are hilarious. I love it. We're going to do it right above all of the stubbies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, You guys are hilarious. I love it. We're going to do it right above all of the stubbies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, do it. Which they can't see because of the lower third, but that's okay. What? Okay. That's cool.

Okay, so there's a couple. They put tape on it? Okay, you can put down the thing. Linus. You can put down tape in the thing in your left hand and you can remove the tape that's your right hand good gravy I thought you said there's a couple things though so I was looking for the other thing no no no it's this so we are have been working for some time on a precision driver and there are a couple of things that are special

about this particular precision driver one of them Luke has figured out That's very quickly here. I enjoy that It will feature Yeah, you could do that Sure It might not spin as well anymore, but the point is, the plan right now is for it to have a hybrid ceramic bearing in the top. We're also working potentially on a weighted top so that it will double as a fidget toy.

Right now, that one is improperly balanced and installed by hand, so my expectation... And there was tape on it. My expectation is that the final one will actually run for a fair bit longer than that. Also, there's a fun little surprise if you just pull on your fidget toy. Oh, cool. In-handle bit storage. Wow. I did not expect that at all.

Sorry. Yeah, yeah. There you go. In-handle bit storage in the same way. So three bits i think it's one of those things where it's not strictly speaking necessary because you're probably going to have your kit nearby anyway right but personally i find okay i can go back to the wide now i find that when i'm working on a project the odds are pretty good that i'm there's going to be a few bits that I'm going to use a lot and the rest of it I can

probably just put aside and so this is somewhere for people like me to put them so they don't get lost while I'm working on a project and so that I don't have to have the whole bit set next to me so I made the mistake of with one of the earlier prototypes putting my three most commonly used bits in the handle and I can see they're missing from my kit now because the Creator Warehouse team swapped out my earlier prototype with this one. But what do you think of the finish? Yeah, it feels very nice.

It feels very premium. The top is extremely distracting. I was very surprised. I tried to turn it normally, and it just free spun, and I was like, whoa. Because I was trying to see, can I rotate it? Because it has a function as well, right? Yeah, of course. It's a fun little fidget toy, but also you palm the screwdriver or put it somewhere in your hand,

and then you can spin it freely from here, which is the nice part of this type of thing, or you can spin it like that, et cetera. It makes it very, very easy to turn in the hand. So is this a standalone thing? We're not 100% sure yet. Right now, it's a thing we're working on making as good as we can, and we're going to figure out what pricing looks like.

We're going to figure out what exactly the function is. Right now, I'd be pretty stoked if we just you know could deliver a premium driver that if people wanted to upgrade their i fix it kit like i've had a lot of people ask like now that you guys make tools you know where's your relationship with i fix it at and i'm like fine i think i mean it's kind of up to them at this point but like i don't see any reason for people to stop buying iFixit tools just because we have tools, and I don't think this is a direct competitor for their tools either.

Would you provide the three bits that you most use along with this? No, probably not, because when it comes to precision drivers, the three bits you most use is going to be whatever, right? So I think our expectation is that either we will create a bit kit and then you can use it along with you know all your zillion other i fix it things that exist or their replacement parts and guides and you know whatever else uh or we'll do just the driver and we'll intend it as like a premium upgrade for your existing i fix itit kit or any other kit that uses this same, I forget the exact, I forget the size of these bits, something.

What are they? Like eighth inch or four millimeter? I don't even know what they are. But anything else that uses these same size bits would also be compatible. So yeah, mine just, I have it just sitting in my iFixit kit, ready to go at a moment's notice. That's sick. Yeah, very, very excited.

Got so much in the works right now. No, it's not an official iFixit collab. It's just an LTT product. Very cool. All right. Sorry, Dan. Hit me with a merch message. Sure thing.

Hello, Luke. Given that the expo hall closes at six do you think linus will actually be on time for the wan show and will be will we be able to submit merch messages at the store booth at ltx during when we talked about that the answer is no well okay sorry the answer is yes we will be on time um but as for whether people can submit merch messages in person the answer is no uh nick actually proposed it to me he proposed a method by which we could do it where people would write them down there's another way to do it too um the answer is still no i just i don't think the logistics make sense. And there's going to be so many, there will literally be thousands if the merge sales are anything like the previous LTX.

And so you're just going to have people tiring out their wrists for essentially nothing because we're going to get to a small fraction of them. And it also means that like, if your wrists get tired from that, like, well, maybe go to physio. Don't forget about the other people whose wrists might get tired if they have to deal with that many merch messages so there it's just for practical reasons i just don't think it makes any sense all right hit me again sure about a year ago my brother asked if you would ever make a deodorant he has not stopped asking me to ask you again. Have you had a change of heart? No.

The reason that I haven't is that when it comes to anything to do with ingesting something or smearing it all over your skin and potential allergies and liability. Mr. Beast, this is hilarious to me. Maybe it's not hilarious to him, but he actually went on the record recently. Hold on. I'm just going to make sure that this is actually true, not just something I heard.

Good idea. Someone in full-plane chat, though. I don't know how to say it. K-C-H-E-R-P-J. Sorry. K-C-H-E-R-P-J. Sorry. K-C-H-E-R-P-J. K-C-H-E-R-P-J. Okay.

It says legal minefields. And yeah, agreed. Oh, okay. June 17th, Mr. Beast announced the end of Mr. Beast Burger. So there you go. The end of Mr. Beast Burger. So there you go. What I had actually heard before that is that he would close it down if he could or something along those lines.

And I told you so. And it's funny because his tweet about it is almost word for word exactly what I said. You can't guarantee the quality of the order. And when you're working with other restaurants, it's impossible to control. Whereas, you know, he's finding Feastables much more manageable, which is great. great um and just the the liability of of a thing people eat that you have no direct control over the quality of is just uh is just terrifying to me and even if it is something pre-packaged whether it's a feastables or a deodorant i'm not saying never um anything is possible in the future i just it gives me the heebie-jeebies man like. Like I saw Beast Burger and I just went, that's wild.

Good luck. You know, I hope, I hope, I really hope actually that it's a huge success and you make lots of money and people get a lot of delicious food and all of this goes well. But I just, it's not something that I'm exploring. It's not something I plan to explore. That's kind of what we talked about.

I was going to say in Float Blink Chat, eddie burback has a actually very very good video on these ghost restaurants that do stuff like you know beast burger or whatever else yeah they make a bunch like there'll be one restaurant that isn't actually a restaurant it's a warehouse somewhere that no one can actually go to yeah and they just create food for these various customers which are not like you it's some brand that wants to have their name out there and they'll have options that are like hot wings and they make the exact same hot wings for like 27 different restaurants if you're ordering through an app on your phone um so there like is no difference in a lot of cases unless you're ordering from established restaurants

that have storefronts. Right. There's a bunch of them around here, actually. Yeah, one of the ways to figure it out is Google Maps the address. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think if we ever did a food establishment, I think I've talked to you about this before.

I would want there to be some kind of really fun gimmick. Oh, yeah. I remember pitching one. We had a bunch of different ideas. Yeah, I pitched one to you a long time ago where the idea was that everything was really messy gimmick. I remember pitching one. We had a bunch of different ideas. Yeah, I pitched one to you a long time ago where the idea was that everything was, like, really messy to eat, and it was supposed to be, like, a great place

to go for a first date. Date night, yeah. Just to be an icebreaker so that everyone is going to be awkward, and there's kind of, like, nothing you can do about it. So, like, the sandwiches are all definitely too tall to, like, fit in your mouth. And in your mouth like don't give you a knife So you can't cut it. Yeah, you know the the spaghetti the spaghetti bowl is literally one long noodle

And you have a spoon and you have a spoon you know like like intentionally going hard mode just You know just us to like loot box get some laughs. Yeah, we did We talked you have to order like you order like a veggie and a protein and what comes out is just what comes out and we try to bring out like really random weird stuff for fun yeah i think something like that would be really fun but the the only way that i would do something like that would be if i had direct oversight and you know i look at how hard it is to control the quality of a video

and the risk associated with delivering you know a video that has some deficiency that i'm not happy with and i look at food i'm like yeah man oh no yeah kind of terrifying that's pretty that's pretty tough that's pretty tough i think i just uh i think i just won't do that but you know anyway you know what the thing about jimmy is that you can't deny his passion he's he's excited he he wants to build things he wants to try things um and i think a lot of people forget that he is really young we talked about this when um when we did that topic like a few months ago it was like mr beast for president or something like that. He's really young. I think his heart's in the right place.

I don't think he did any of this with the intention of screwing anyone over or anything like that. When he first started Beast Burger, people were asking for companies like his to show up to save restaurants. Yep, 100%. And then it shifted. That. Yep. So like, and then it shifted, that whole conversation shifted to like, oh,

now you're killing restaurants. Cause there's like too many of these ghost restaurant things and it's reducing orders from, from normal legitimized restaurants and like all of this, like, yeah, just because the conversation changed doesn't mean that it was one thing at one time.

Um, so yeah, I don't know. There's a lot of support for Beast Burger when it first popped up. And I've got people saying he's got too much money and doesn't know what to do with it. No, yeah, I don't know. There was a lot of support for Beesberger when it first popped up. I've got people saying he's got too much money and doesn't know what to do with it. No, he doesn't. I think he knows what to do with it.

Yeah, he knows exactly what to do with it. Build his business, and it's not too much. I don't think someone like that could have too much. Like, obviously, like, eventually, yes. But right now, no. I actually believe that he is dumping most obviously like to, to eventually. Yes. But right now, no, I, I actually believe that he is dumping most of what he brings in right back into the business to make the most compelling content that appeals to his

audience. All right. Oh, another merge message. Sure. Last one for you guys. You hinted at getting an x-ray machine for labs. I repair

them and take images of my tools for testing, but I wish I could bring my camera or a printer in. What would you want to get imaged first? Oh, wow. What would I image in an x-ray machine? I mean, I think we'd have to do something totally self-serving like the screwdriver. Oh, sorry. To send out a, you know, promoted tweet or something like that. Yeah. That'd be sweet. Yeah. I want to jump back temporarily to the previous topic that Eddie, uh, Burback video, he went into a lot of things that were really interesting and something that you were just talking about with food quality and being, uh, unable to ensure it. One of the problems with the ubiquitousness

of all these crazy ghost restaurants going all over the place is that food and drug associations are having a really hard time doing investigations for food quality for restaurants when they can't even figure out what the address for these places are. Because a lot of times the address listed isn't even correct. So you would have to be like a delivery driver to get the actual proper address to know where to pick it up. And that makes it really, really hard for these places to go do food inspection

and they can't even find the damn restaurant. So yeah, that was kind of a big deal. I haven't watched it in a while, but it's a great video. What would your choice of food product for us be i already know my answer so if you need some time i can do mine do yours i have no idea i would like to make the tastiest crunchiest perfectest breakfast cereal oh that's pretty good that was yeah that i was not on that track But that's pretty good It would it lines up with what I wanted because I was gonna say something it should be something that isn't like fresh so we

Could sell it through LTD store effectively and ship it the problem is that breakfast cereals like bulky Like who's gonna buy breakfast cereal online? That's like stupid totally a whole they literally sponsor. Yeah, well, I don't know like twice Are they still around? Yeah, well, I don't know like twice are they still around yeah, oh, okay It's a very it's a challenging business so the one that I know of has been around for quite a while, okay? When you're up against you know a four dollar box of you know lucky charms or whatever in the grocery store It's a lot more than that now actually well hold on a second Canadian yes general It's like seven Canadian dollars now but in the U.S. I bet it's still cheap I always just assume things cost nothing in the U.S.

and that has changed a lot over the last few years so sometimes my assumptions can end up a little bit out of whack Lucky Charms cereal okay here we go it also depends on the size yeah you can get Lucky Charms for like five bucks yeah Yeah, but that's how many grams? That's family size. Oh, okay. It's America. I looked up for, oh, America. Here's a 10.5 ounce for $4.

I am not Bill Gates thinking bananas are $7. I thought you were talking about Canadian. I win! I was right! You can get a box of Lucky Charms in Canada for five bucks, but it's 300 grams. Yeah, that's... So that's one bowl for Linus. Yeah, yeah.

He eats the big cereal. No, that's not how I do that anymore. Now, that's like four bowls that I pour in little tiny portions so that I can eat it as crunchily as possible. Okay, so the strat has improved, but the volume's the same at the end. Yeah. I do enjoy the strat. I will give you that. Yeah, probably the worst cereal for me is honeycomb.

Have you ever eaten a bowl of honeycomb? It just like immediately sogs, doesn't it? No, well, it's not bad. No, no, it's fine because I just pour like a tiny quarter of a bowl and eat it. I just mean the sheer volume of it that you can eat in one sitting. Oh, yeah, it's not that. No, no, it's fine because I just pour like a tiny quarter of a bowl and eat it. I just mean the sheer volume of it that you can eat in one sitting. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Because it's basically air. Yeah.

Like what can you eat more of, honeycomb or like lettuce? You know, like, I don't know, celery. I could actually, like I probably couldn't consume celery fast enough for my body to process it Or for my body to to fall behind in processing it like it would be wild I could just sit on the toilet and eat celery for the rest of my life In one end out the other there's a visual for you Still green and if they could like genetically engineer a long enough celery you can just stuff it all the way through a long enough celery, you can just stuff it all the way through. And Tori asks, the big question is cereal or milk first?

No it isn't! That is not a question! Okay, when you're doing these four bowls- Cereal is food. Do you drink the milk? You decide how much food you eat, and then you put the appropriate accompanying amount of milk Are you drinking the milk between every bowl? No? I don't have to because I absolutely nailed the amount of milk every time This man is a god You also have to monitor you have to balance as you go. If you can tell, oh, man, I took a really... That one bite at the beginning was, like, loaded with Honey Nut Cheerios.

It's amazing how many Honey Nut Cheerios you can fit on one spoon. Right? Like, oh, that early bite. Okay, I get, like, two Cheerios on this thing of milk. A little bit more milky. I get, like, three Cheerios on this one. Okay, we got this. Okay, more Cheerios.

Let's go. Cereal strategy. Anyway, what would be your food item? I'm really struggling with this because yeah, that's like putting dressing in a bowl and then like adding lettuce to it Can stupid that's the best comparison I've ever that's the best argument to that that's from Conrad in the float plane chat It's so good. It's good like you would actually Never be beta enough to do that. Croutons are ranch first. You put the dressing, then you put the croutons, then you finally put the greens. It's all the croutons are saying, Soggy, before you get to eat. It's just the worst possible way. You're just scooping up ranch from the bottom of the plate.

It's terrible. It's like, yeah, I'm just gonna put some actual cheese in a skillet, and I'm just gonna melt it, and then I'll like put bread on it after. Grilled cheese sandwich. Cause I'm an idiot! Sort of in a way, some After grilled cheese sandwich. Because I'm an idiot. Sort of in a way. Some places do that. Because they'll take a cheese wheel, cut it in half, grill the flat side, and then shrink onto bread. No.

That is a thing that happens. No. I think they also cook the bread, though, to be fair. That's good. I don't know. I can't really think of anything. Because, like, how many non-perishable things I would have thought you would do like a uh like a like a really good protein bar or something like that I was thinking okay so someone in the chat said

protein powder and I was like no I was kind of thinking like some form of snack bar that isn't trash for you because I very recently looked at what's in Cliff bars and was highly disappointed. I'm sorry, Cliff. Sorry, Cliff. And Joe. And Sammy. Yeah. But I feel like that's such a saturated market. That has to have already been done.

But I don't know. In this hypothetical scenario, if we could make one that was better. I mean, cereal's been done. Yeah. Chocolate bars have been done. Yeah, fair enough. I definitely don't want to do a chocolate bar But yeah, if we could do like a protein bar that tasted good and wasn't trash for you and like had good macros That'd be cool. I'd be willing to do a chocolate bar, but it would have to be like absolutely f***ing incredible um And I just don't want to put in the work to do that

Um, and I just don't want to put in the work to do that. Like I, I, I'm, I'm one of those people who, if there's chocolate in the house, if it's not Lindor, I'm just not going to eat it. Yeah. Yeah. Bad chocolate is like actually just not worth it at all. It's not calorie worthy. Yeah. Um, it's interesting that you chose Lindor.

Do you, why do you think, is it the taste or the texture? It's a texture. I'm a texture person I was gonna say I prefer Lindor because of the texture by like a massive amount I always put them in the freezer first. I won't even eat them warm. Very good Yeah, very good. So good because then you can suck on them for longer. I've been Yeah, I know Lindor is kind of trash like high-end It's high-end trash But I'm not willing to spend the kind of money that like real good chocolate costs like if you give me like one of those 70% cocoa bars like

They're like nine dollars each or whatever like yeah, I'm not gonna do that I heard and this is the one thing that has made me want to like break diet really bad because I want to try it. You remember fruit roll-ups? Was it fruit roll-ups? Fruit by the foot? Fruit roll-ups? Not fruit by the foot. Fruit roll-ups particularly. Which ones? So it was kind of like a sheet.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. With all the little shapes that you could poke out of the sheet. And you can poke the shapes out, but it was like a sheet. Apparently, it has some, and it was originally intended to be this way, and they're just like, no one did it. So they didn't bother advertise like this. But apparently it reacts with cold in a very particular way. So the idea is you put ice cream on it and then wrap the fruit roll up around the ice cream. And it makes it really crunchy. Yeah. Okay.

I could see that. So you, and like, but like significantly more than you would expect. Okay. And it becomes hard so you bite on it. It's like crystallized or something? To a certain degree I think. And it's supposed to just be like amazing. And I want to try it. But I don't even know like where I would buy a fruit roll-up.

People are so just like disconnected sometimes. BoxinBuddha says Lindor is actually one of the lowest quality chocolates. Have you ever had an advent calendar chocolate? Dude, you can get Lindt advent calendars. I know you can't. But most of them are not. Yes.

There's chocolate that actually tastes... Maybe you're from Europe or something. Like that would explain it. But over here in North America land, we have chocolate that actually tastes more like plastic than cocoa. Oh, it's so bad. A lot of it. Like really a lot. Yeah.

You are you are objectively wrong. It is not one of the lowest. It just isn't one of the highest. Hundred percent. It's like the KitchenAid of chocolate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. i always use kitchen like henkels you know it's like it's like the high quality like but like still very mainstream brand and you could like definitely get better stuff yeah uh for sure yeah we've got other people backing me up here yeah chocolate sucks in canada 100 so i said fruit roll-ups are available commonly in all grocery stores in the u.s yeah i hear that but you gotta do to you gotta do the perimeter strategy to stay away from the bad stuff at the grocery stores just only go around the outside really yeah i never really thought about that yeah i'm trying i'm thinking about the layout of like the local superstore so you walk in and it's not quite perimeter because the entire right

side of the store is ghost town that's superstore though yeah which has like uh like housewares and like clothes like cheap clothes and like crap like that yeah but then and i think the like the cosmetics and like um pharmacy and stuff are over there do they have a pharmacy i don't know they definitely have like personal personal care products and stuff but if you go straight in it's veggies you go straight to the back you end up in cheese and then um meat land then seafood then you come down this side it's uh juices dairy um different cheese uh like not deli cheese like like packaged cheese, if I recall correctly. Then you end up in the bakery, and then you end up at the till. So you don't see, and I'm trying to think of a, again, layout.

So you've got all your soft drinks. You don't see the like soft drinks, candy, chocolate. You've got your like cleaning supplies, pet supplies, and then I think it goes into, well, you miss baking supplies though. Yes, that one is a little. And, and all the. But we don't bake because the birds all the ethnic isles are in there as well so all the like uh mexican southeast asian uh

indian i do dip in because i need i i the amount of hot sauce that i go through is absurd okay so i go in to get hot sauce bottles the sriracha shortage treating you by the way i do frank's red hot extra hot okay so you don't like everything yeah jake's like super super torn up about it yeah frank's red hot extra hot specifically there's like very few actual total ingredients all the ingredients are chill um and it the i find when it's extra hot i don't have to use quite as much um i i do i really like the frank's red hot uh what is it lime and something else and are you already you had me at lime so it's so good yeah it just makes everything you're eating tastes like mexican i'm a boring tabasco boy classic tabasco my problem is red peppers and vinegar salt that's all that's it I've been eating my like really boring standard

setup for so long. Of course you have. That to not be bored out of my mind, I basically have to melt my face off. So I just, the entire top of it is just red. Nice. Sometimes- Good chicken. Sometimes I will complete with extra hot as well.

Not the normal Frank's Red. With Frank's Red extra hot, I will completely make the top of the chicken red and then flip it to the bottom. So going through the rest of my aisles, we've got your breakfast foods that are mostly just like the story of how oatmeal became breakfast food is hilarious. It's like brilliant marketing because it's essentially gruel which was like poor people garbage food And then they're like it's pretty solid or you can eat it for breakfast TV commercials, let's go lobster also used to be poor people food There you go serve it in prisons and then cereal aisle I can't miss the cereal aisle so cereal aisle for the grocery store that I go to is

Like the shelves for it are right along the milk Which kind of makes sense to me. So you don't actually have to go to the inside. Yeah, not super store. And then after cereal aisle, there's like the natural food aisles, which I can't. They just taste so bad.

All of them, literally all of them. And then it's like ice cream and frozen goods. And then you're back over to cheese and juices and milk and butter and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, so you're and then you're back over to to cheese and juices and milk and butter and all that kind of stuff yeah so you're right you gotta dip in sometimes yeah i miss out on a lot yeah i find like the hot sauce i know what aisle it's in and i know what end of that aisle it's in so you know you can remove a lot of temptation by just going to only that aisle and only as far in as you need to go because a lot of the aisles it's like it feels like it's almost designed to get you lost and trying to find

the right thing and getting stuck in the middle of the store and end up adding a whole bunch of impulse purchases because you're probably hungry because you're out shopping um so yeah got some stuff from floatplane chat vng supernova says gruel is not oatmeal it's far more watery and has no milk um most of the time we make oatmeal without milk here so this is what this might be one of those things where it's just like a cultural difference um i've never had oatmeal made with milk cream of wheat yes uh but even that has instructions on the side of the box for how to make it with water as well so i guess we're just like disgusting most oatmeal that i've had the vast majority of it has been with water yeah um but yes yes yes more watery but then it's still fundamentally the same thing it's just watered down um and then uh thysios says apparently lobster was ground up shell and everything

so not quite the same as what's eaten today Yeah, but it's still like I mean it's still lobster, but like With the shell yeah, that's gotta be kind of rough like the antennas and stuff like I don't know do they even rip those off I have no idea but not Yeah, interesting. Yeah, GM Shippo says I'm American always used milk Yeah, that's the thing about America too though is you guys are like so regional dependent Oh, yeah, like you can go one County over in America land and Foods I'm not in Kansas anymore. They make pizza in a completely different way now. Yes

Oh, yeah, like oh that kind of pizza that kind of pizza sucks. This is the kind of pizza All right, dude Tomato sauce and like whatever you want to put on it just calm down no no no no no people don't eat cereal with water calm down twitch chat um oatmeal oatmeal like like the cooked oatmeal um yeah like breakfast cereal a cold breakfast cereal with water would be something spectacularly awful. Yeah. I really think you'd have to pry my milk from my cold dead hands at this point.

I will never drink a glass of milk, but I've tried cereal with milk substitutes, and it is... Everyone who says it's the same... It's not the same. Is, um... Everyone who says it's the same... It's not the same....is... I was on a very particular brand of almond milk for a while there, and it was not the same. But I liked it because it had vanilla stuff in it. I don't like vanilla. Oh. So that's really tough.

So basically... We found a thing. I like vanilla. And I like ketchup chips. Yeah. So we do actually disagree about some things. It's very rare that we disagree on on food But it's very we can pretty much order for each other at restaurants though still yeah

Yeah Should we do should we do oh we're on two to three topics again Have been for ten minutes. What were we doing? Were we doing merch messages? I think you've been answering a merch message for the last 20 minutes minutes. What were we doing? Were we doing merch messages? I think you've been answering a merch message for the last 20 minutes. I just turn out after a while. We're doing Glorbo Comes to World

of Warcraft. Let's go. The best update WoW has ever had. We promised the people. World of Warcraft players on Reddit have successfully honeypotted an AI bot that was scraping forums for community discussions to remix into news stories without human input. On Thursday, a post about a fake new feature called Glorbo became rapidly upvoted,

with many users adding their own comments about absurd fake features that were supposedly being added to the game. Soon after, an article about the WoW community's excitement for Glor glorbo appeared on z league's gaming news site the portal which incorporated several nonsensical quotes taken directly from the subreddit it was listed under the byline of lucy reed who published 83 articles yesterday wow lucy you go girl yeah more like lucy right hey the article has since but it was okay where's Wow, Lucy. You go, girl. Yeah. More like Lucy Wright. Hey! Hey! The article has since been... It was okay. Where's my ding?

That was awesome. Sorry, did you say something? Where's the punching box? I actually was not listening. I'm so sorry. Oh my goodness. The article has since been removed, but it's available in archived form. Z League has posted 18,512 articles in just over two months, or an average of 241 articles a day.

Talking about fishing for virality. Oh, man. Definitely going viral. We're talking about it. The original Reddit post was fantastic. I'm so excited. I'll bring it up. The title is, I'm so excited they finally introduced Glorbo.

And honestly, this new feature makes me so happy. I just really want some major bot-operated news websites to publish an article about this. I have to say, since they started hinting at Hearthstone in 1994, it was obvious they would introduce glorbo to world of warcraft sooner or later i feel like dragonflight has been win after win so far like when they brought back chen stormstout as the boss at the end of new karazhan absolutely amazing feel free to comment below what new features and stories you want to see in the future maybe you'll be quoted on some trustworthy news websites

as well." Amazing. Literally in the article, it included the quote of, "'Honestly, this new feature makes me so happy. I just really want some major bot-operated news websites to publish an article about this." That was in the article that was published, which is amazing.

So good. So, so good so so good is this glorbo I was yeah I was gonna add is that a IR that mean right that that's fantastic. I anticipated a new feature, but... Apparently the original post has been updated, cheering for victory in words that I won't say, and talking about how they updated it and pulled it down and stuff like that. Some players have reservations about the mandatory item click clack and its effect on casual players. Oh, man, this is amazing.

Inclusion of clack sigh as a playable phrase. Oh, man. All right. This is pretty cool. That's fantastic. Great work to everyone involved. That's a win Okay, you know what else is a win? We can apparently refurbish phone screens with lasers With freaking laser beams! Freaking laser beams attached to their heads. Yeah, strange parts has a video

And he broke one law of Linus already. He starts his video with so, but otherwise, otherwise, this looks absolutely flippin' amazing. They are repairing OLED screens that have bad lines in them using a laser.

You guys, I'm not going to show you much of this because I want you to go and watch the video from Scotty. Hey, he's coming to LTX, right? Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Yeah.

Scotty's going to be at LTX. And he was at the last one. Yeah. So we want to make sure we, I mean, we would do this for anyone, but we want to make sure we support him. We're not just like playing his video for you. But basically they don't have to disassemble the device. They don't even have to turn it off.

It can't fix glass or flex cables but it can eliminate lines on screens and fix issues with the middle oled layer our discussion question is if this technique turns out to be economical uh what would that mean for the refurbishment market and i think the answer is fairly straightforward it would be freaking awesome yeah absolutely that seems to be like the goal they talked a lot in the video which you should go watch um about how there's you know improvements coming they talk about what type of improvements and whatnot um activision activision restores servers for retro call of duty games activision has restored the multiplayer servers for its xbox

360 era call of duty games over 200 000 gamers played these decade-old COD titles over the past weekend, outnumbering the players for Halo Infinite and Battle 2042 combined, probably quite easily. By midweek, five of the top ten best-selling games on the Xbox Store were 360-era Call of Duty games, with number one being 2012's Black Ops 2. It appears that Activision has neglected to enact fixes for long-known exploits that enable rampant hacking. Fixes for these bugs were available in multiple popular community-run servers

that Activision had shut down back in May, as we reported on WAN Show. Which is kind of a freaking joke. Our discussion question is, well, there's one thing, but there's also some other things. I mean, I think there's a lot to kind of break down here. One is, hey, you guys need to actually not shut down older gaming experiences. Two, you don't get to just allow communities to do a bunch of work to keep your game alive and then Capitalize on it while also throwing away the work that they did that made the game better while you were

Completely while you had to completely abandoned your stewardship of it. Yeah and three Our discussion question that's actually written in here is I guess those weren't really discussions That was like you you suck, Activision. Discussions, statements. What does it mean that games, that modern games are getting beat out by decades old titles in this way? It means that modern games are not actually fun. Dude, you should play Battle Bit. Did you ever like Battlefield?

I never got into a Battlefield game. Yeah, okay, so then maybe not. But Battle Bit is actually like, I haven't had fun actual genuine fun in Battlefield since probably Battlefield 4 and Battlefield 4 felt like a step back from Battlefield 3 but I really liked Battlefield 3. Battle Bit is the first time that I've played a game in that format since then that I actually enjoyed. And it's good. It's fun. The graphics are trash. It feels like they're playing Roblox. But it doesn't matter. And I think I've talked about this on WAN Show before, and it drives people nuts. But now I have really good proof. What really matters is, have like really good proof what really matters is is the game freaking fun or not yeah i don't care i would have i i the amount of my brain that gives an f that the graphics in battle bit are

trash is like near zero when i'm very much enjoying playing the game i think for a single player game i'd feel a little bit differently about it but for a competitive game i'd rather a really well balanced game that's not full of cheaters yeah and then like you know novel gameplay mechanics is kind of here and then you've got like um you know a positive community i can live without that you know if the game is really fun and then like down here somewhere is is graphics is visual fidelity right and single player experiences i would almost argue that uh graphics become more of a chance of being important but i don't think they always are i think there's plenty of single player experiences that don't have that fantastic graphics but because the game's great i don't really care but i do also think that if graphics are amazing in a single player experience that it can add a lot more to my enjoyment than it can in a multiplayer like

slapshot rebound has crap graphics but it's just dumb fun yeah so who cares so who cares just run around and like we actually got like annoyed when the graphics got more in depth because there's one way that you can make sure your like head invisible and we're like, that's stupid. Yeah, well, that's a cosmetics issue. I don't know if that's like a visual fidelity issue. Oh, fair enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, someone said Minecraft is the best-selling game of all time. Yeah. Though Minecraft also can look really good.

You can get really insane graphics packs for it. But by default, it doesn't. Old School Runeescape gang represent people still play old school runescape like people play all these retro games man like graphics can make something that's already amazing like amazing plus but it doesn't make something amazing like i i don't know i can't remember a single game that I was like, yeah, I loved that game because the graphics were so great. I don't think that's ever happened. I might love a game and be like, yeah,

and I really like how great the graphics are, but I love the game because of certain gameplay features. I wouldn't say graphics, but I could say I could love a game just based on a visual style. Sure. Like even though I ended up not finishing it because there were gameplay issues, Fantasian is beautiful.

And I just liked exploring the environments. One thing that I really like about Assassin's Creed Odyssey is I think the setting of being in Greece and the graphical fidelity that they had at this point in time, the development process, being in Greece, it's fidelity that they had at this point in time, the development process being in Greece is just a very beautiful landscape to be in. And like, there have been times when I've just goofed around,

you know, playing a game like Far Cry, you know, which at the time was groundbreaking in terms of what it looked like. And just looking at the water and the, you know, the landscapes. And I feel like we're kind of past that now though.

Trying to think of something more recent then because that that was totally a thing at one point but i feel like it's kind of past it's definitely it was definitely part of breath of the wild for me even though the the graphics are not amazing but the art the art style was beautiful um i just i feel like the importance of graph like i've heard a lot of conversation about like oh making games these days is so hard because uh and then a huge amount of reasons but a lot of them being graphics and how expensive it is to have extremely fantastic graphics and it's like well it's gonna get cheap don't yes it's gonna get really cheap and valve's gonna eventually

come up with a policy that somehow allows them to allow ai generated assets in games without exposing themselves to legal liability and they're not going to care after that. And then, man, we are going to get some amazing, amazing visual fidelity in games with shockingly low budgets that combined with over the next, let's say, let's say I'm going to give a five year timeline for this. I think that's pretty generous. We're going to see procedurally or not procedurally, but we're going to see artificially generated assets. We're going to see procedurally or not procedurally but we're going to see artificially generated assets we're going to see artificially generated textures we're going to see um like like worlds and environments that are generated but then tweaked and then we're going to see i

hope if all goes according to what i think would be the ideal scenario for single a and double a developers to compete with the the visual fidelity fests that that have become triple a you know multi hundred million dollar budget games these days um i think we're gonna see i hope we're going to see a refocusing on writing and storytelling who knows maybe the gaming industry would be a great place for all those wga yeah folks to go just i mean throwing it out there just to kind of you know wild idea if there was like a scrappy developer that was looking to do an incredibly incredible story driven game um i i'd love to see more focus on that so that's the one part of this that i'm saying i would like to see everything else is more of just what i think is going to happen um and then that

combined with what will become the ubiquity of ray tracing capable graphics hardware in that time that's why i'm giving it a five-year timeline because i think a lot of what i'm talking about could be happening today take a while but you're going to need like if you're going to try and build something with just like um you know random generated assets you're not going to be able to implement a lot of the tricks that developers have had to use to create a really immersive environment, right? Whereas with ray-traced lighting, well, all of a sudden, all you have to do is say, okay, I need lanterns, and I'm going to put them here, here, here. These are my light sources.

I mean, looking at what they did with, was it Oblivion, I think it was, with RTX Remix? Oh, man, there's so many things I want to address from chat right now. So cool. There's been a few. If I remember correctly, there's a Black Flag update and a Unity update, and I think it was also Oblivion. They're all getting, like, RTX Remix updates. Well, I don't think Oblivion was actually getting one. It was just a demo that NVIDIA did.

Ah, okay. Morrowind? Really? Was it Morrowind? I don't think oblivion was actually getting one it was just a demo that nvidia did uh okay morrowind really was it morrowind i don't think so no it was oblivion here we go or wait uh oh no it is yeah uh yeah it's morrowind here really oh but it didn't actually get it no no no yep stills look still looks no no no it's not on yet so this is the capture tool and then they go through and show the ai texture tools oh i remember this yeah but they didn't give it to us give it to me yep and then they do lighting and then uh man and then then it starts to look really cool. Let me have it. Yeah, custom assets. Yeah, this is pretty wild. This is worth watching. Let's see if we, yeah, here we go.

Our Tears Remix. Yeah, like that's wild. That is freaking Morrowind, sort of. Xbox original game, like really? Like OG Xbox original? Yeah. So I'm imagining this future where you'll have, you know, single A or even indie developers that are building games

that have this kind of graphical fidelity because they just, for better or for worse, are able to generate assets based on the, you know, library of work that came before them, whether legitimately built on or not. And if Valve doesn't find a way to make this work, another marketplace will come and we'll eat their lunch. I think this is disruptive enough that if there's a game that is compelling enough, people will go to some other storefront and they'll buy it. I mean, look at, okay, Escape from Tarkov would be a great example of this

before they totally screwed it up, right? People went and they downloaded their launcher. Oh, no, are there updates? Sort of, but not really. They have a leaderboard out for best KD, most profit per run, different things like that. And they launched it and there's all these names on it and stuff. And you see some ratios and some stats there. And you're like, wow, that looks really fishy.

Users brought up the last time they did a leaderboard because they've done this before. And it's probably on the Escape from Tarkov subreddit, but I'd have to dig it up. But it showed all the people that had been banned off of the leaderboard, and out of the top 100, there's like five left. I want to see it. I want to see if I can find it. That is ridiculous.

I suspect it's going to be too hard to dig up now. I can do a quick topic while you look for that. Yeah, one second. I want to address some full-blown comments really quick. One person, NotAngryScotsman, said Crisis was only really well-known because of the graphics memes. Crisis was actually a very fun game, to be be honest i think it was a great game and it also had just mind-bogglingly uh crazy graphics and far cry was really fun too far cry is a really

good game i actually replayed it not that long ago and really enjoyed it and i didn't realize it until quite late in the game but part of the reason i was enjoying it at my current skill level compared to when i was 17 or 18 or whatever when it came out um is that the ai is bound to your frame rate so because i was playing it at such a higher frame rate the enemies were really hard i was like yeah this is like a hard game like i remember this game being hard but like why is it still hard i'm pretty sure i'm better at this though that's when i was a kid and then the other comment um that that made me want to jump uh was avon fox said 100 hours gameplay versus two hours movie watch games are way better value for the cost uh to make and this is this is a very slippery slope argument in my opinion because i I don't think we're there right now,

but there was a point in time in gaming where games were essentially sold off of their... 200-hour campaign. Off of their game time. And having 200 hours of garbage is significantly worse than having two hours of just raw quality. You should value your own time. That is important.

One of my favorite shooters of all time, potentially my favorite shooter single player experience of all time, is Titanfall 2. It's like six hours, six to eight hours, but it's just quality. They make sure that if they introduce a new mechanic before you're tired of it, it's gone. What is that?

introduce a new mechanic before you're tired of it, it's gone. What is that? That noise is the overflow pump for the air conditioner. Okay. So we're, everything's okay. And you even see game developers tacitly acknowledging this, right? Like Square, Square Enix, for example, they did remasters of, or like pixel remasters of some of their older games and they include quality of life features like Turning off random encounters. I remember as a kid feeling like some of those environments were enormous, you know the floating continent felt like continental sized

Not because there was a ton of room on a SNES cartridge But because every time you took three steps you were fighting some stupid random encounter that was capable of wiping you out because you were 10 and it was hard right um so these games come back and it's like yeah you can just like do 9999 damage anytime you want because we know this stuff is actually kind of boring and you can just explore the world like i i that would be a much if i if i was to give that game to my kids final fantasy 6 is the one that i i enjoyed the most personally if i was to give that game to my kids i would absolutely give them the pixel remaster they don't need to fight that boss battle nine times to have the you know the fun that i did and and to to experience the story that i did so uh I'm going to share my screen

really quick I found it um so I don't know 100% what exp rating means in this in this frame but these are the top 100 Tarkov players for exp rating uh if their name is a dash see how you can see this name right here yikes if the name is a dash they're banned uh you can't see behind our frame here right now um but it's all dashes for for that section of the leaderboard we go here there's oh there's there's three names that's good all of the rest of them are dashes we go here there's there's a few more there's five six names all the rest of them are dashes. We go here. There's there's a few more. There's five six names all the rest of our dashes For all the rest of dashes just like

Man, now that was the old leaderboards But if you take a gander at the new leaderboards, it feels like it might be going in the same direction because there's a few things on there that are like hmm this person's like the the ratios on some things are just very very odd um and either the escape from tarkov client is like calculating things incorrectly or things are not exactly above board so elemental exposure there is a chrono Trigger sequel It's called Chrono Cross D-Boss My Final Fantasy 6 growing up was Mario RPG

Yeah I saw the Oh my god have you seen the remake It looks Legend of the Seven Stars remake Nintendo's gonna get my money again Got em It appears to be A super Nintendo's gonna get my money again. Got him. It appears to be a super... One month ago.

It appears to be a super true to the original remake, which is fine because the game was already perfect. Wait for it. So that was the original snes graphics and so they've done a bunch of stuff here that may or may not be designed to mislead us uh but essentially it from what they've shown look even the way that he moves around in the environment how it's um i forget what this view is called isometric or whatever yeah like you've got your like the grid-based movement yeah yeah is true to the original game um this looks great i would play this yeah have you ever played legend of the seven

stars technically i own it but i have not played it it's really good it's really good you should play it um and like it's one of those games where honestly other than a couple of modern gaming um comforts i just don't really see what they would need to change about it it's not very challenging um it's more just like as an adult you just you just play through it as a kid it was hard but yeah yeah yeah yeah it's so good so good um but there's a couple more topics that we have to do before we do man after dark because we did tease them meta has canceled the quest pro and reportedly stopped or reportedly canceled the quest pro and reportedly stopped all development on the quest pro 2 their plan is to continue to build quest Pro headsets only as long as current stock lasts.

When they launched it in October of 2022, it was criticized for its awkward fit along the forehead, its cheap feel, and its underwhelming software platform. Apparently, by January, Meta had already told its suppliers that no further components for the Quest Pro would be needed, even before dropping the price from $1,500 to $1,000 in March. needed even before dropping the price from $1,500 to $1,000 in March. Our discussion question is what's behind the lack of enthusiasm for Meta's more expensive VR headsets? And I think the answer is that they just didn't offer a compelling value add over Meta's entry level headsets.

I also think they've just been going in the wrong direction. Really? What would be better? I think Apple's approach is going to be better um i think apple didn't go quite full bore enough for what i would personally like to see but i feel like they are prepping everybody for it adequately by having that attached battery but stacking all of your battery in your compute hanging off the front of your face is just like actually stupid why are we still doing this like off the front of your face is just like actually

stupid why are we still doing this like with the amount of money that you're investing in this how did you not know this was dumb like come on and i i am very appreciative of apple which is a statement that i feel like i don't say all that often um but for having this tether which is not going to be very annoying because it's tether that is contained on you yep um and moving that battery weight off of the device that's a huge benefit yeah and eventually if we can take compute off as well fantastic that's one of the reasons i still use my index yeah because most of the new headsets that have come have taken advantage of the lightning of the displays and the housings and the uh lenses and then gone yeah now we can put

more other crap there still in front of your face i haven't seen a genuinely compelling enough device to move to from the index this whole time and like that that's a problem that's a mistake i think they're just absolutely going in the wrong direction big screen beyond has a lot of potential um my problem with it is that i can't get it working um i sent them i think i sent them now that i about it, I haven't heard back in a while, which is pretty unusual for something like this. Let me just see if I actually ever pressed send on this. Oh. Oh, no.

I never sent the email. Oh, crap. You know what I think it was? It used to be when you uploaded a YouTube video, you could get the link to it before it was done processing. But, oh wait, this has 33 views though. Did I not send it? Okay. I don't know. Do you link it internally? I don't think so. Okay, well, I will send that to them.

Shoot. So I'm the one who... Wait, they emailed today. How is this not... Yeah, ever since they cut ties with Palmer Lockie, I... Oh, wait. I don't think they've really been going in the right direction. Oh, shoot. No, they replied really been going in the right direction oh shoot

no they replied to me what the heck why are their their emails are getting automatically marked red uh okay uh oh this is awkward shoot I just sent them the same video again ignore last email I will try tonight shoot um I will mark that unread cool anywho yeah, I just can't get it working, so I sent them this video of Doing everything that they told me to do supposedly is supposed to just work And then the first time but the first headset I had it worked other than that whenever I had obs active the mic Wouldn't work coming out of the headset and I was like well This doesn't work because I wanted to stream because it was still under embargo for reviews,

but you were allowed to stream with it. I'm like, how on earth am I supposed to stream with it? They're like, we've never seen that bug before. No idea. They sent me another one that's apparently better in some other ways as well. And they were like, okay, try this one. And then it just didn't work at all. And so I sent them this video that I recorded

where I'm basically like, yep, here's my drivers. Here's the latest version of SteamVR. Here's the headset, definitely plugged in correctly. Here's me doing absolutely everything you told me to do, and it doesn't work at all. So based on their email, it might be something to do with some kind of Bluetooth wake, something, something, Lighthouse trackers, V2, something. So hopefully it's fixed, and it's pretty promising.

I have some concerns. I have a bunch of notes on it already, even though I haven't managed to actually um like a game for an extended period of time with it like the the rubber i feel like they need something a bit more breathable they need at least a breathable option especially because quite a few of the vr experiences that people are as far as i can tell right now really engaging in are like fitness ones especially if you like if you have a reason to spend a bunch of money on a super lightweight headset there's a good chance it's because you're moving around yeah um because if you can if you can attach work or health to something the amount that people are

willing to spend on it just cranks if you're like oh this could this can oh you're having a hard time getting out of the house but you want to be physically active, but you find a lot of the at-home calisthenics workout stuff really boring. Well, you could do VR boxing or Beat Saber or whatever. Okay, this is going to help me shed weight or do whatever else. Now I will spend a bunch on this product. If it's just for gaming or whatever else, depends on the person, but I think your higher likeliness if you can attach something else to it. Corsair bot drop yeah um corsair announced they have bought audio and mechanical keyboard company drop

they apparently don't plan to make any changes before assessing the non-keyboard aspects of drops business i have no idea what that even means uh they say drop will remain a separate brand and will continue to handle all existing warranties, purchases, and customer support requests. They always, companies always say that when they acquire other companies. And it'll be that way for probably one to three years. And then it will change. And then swoop. The discussion question here is what's the best way to handle acquiring an established brand?

I got to be honest with you. I don't know. an established brand. I got to be honest with you. I don't know. We've had a lot of people, even like members of the audience, for example,

suggesting that we buy smaller tech channels to build the empire. And I'm kind of sitting here going, why? What would that actually do? If they were doing great, then wouldn't they just continue doing great?

And if they weren't doing great, then why do I want them? Mythical has seen some actual success with that um fair enough i i understand and agree with your argument to be honest but i think there can be exceptions to the general rule and i think mythical has been hitting pretty well there. Yeah. Yeah, like, oh man, this is a perfect example from Madi underscore CH in floatplane chat. Like Logitech and Blue Mikes. They've gotten to the point now where they aren't even continuing with the blue branding. Yeah, that was a weird move.

That's actually kind of stupid. Yeah, I agree. Like, if you're buying something that's working why unworking it unless it's a competitor i guess but then just make it seem like you're competing they could just be buying the ip like i'm sure blue owned a bunch of patents and stuff so it's probably true it's not that i don't understand it i just mean but you could also just keep selling blue mics and have a distinct identity for that brand all the people working on that were literally already working there and it was working or why would you or why did you buy them so someone in flowplane chat said

yeah or key man in flowplane chat said mythical bought smosh and just sold it back that might sound like it was a failure i think that's extremely not true though i haven't talked to anyone there about the specifics of all of that but to me it really seems uh like mythical stepped in to kind of save smosh yeah that was the vibe i got and then when they were ready to take it back over they were highly accommodating of letting them take it back over it was like very bro move um and i really respect what was done there i don't think that was like a failed business decision i don't think you can look at them selling it back as a failure in an in any other

way in my opinion i would look at them selling it back as like a major success i think that was very very cool and good of them the The whole Smosh story is very interesting. Yeah, I don't know. But they also invest in other channels as well. It's not just Smosh. So, yeah. And in other news, Asus has taken on the NUC. So we can still have NUC PCs.

They will just be from Asus rather than Intel, which is great if you want those and you didn't want to buy them from any of the other handful of manufacturers that also make NUC-alikes. Very cool. Don't you love that term, NUC-alikes? NUC-alikes.

It's pretty good. I didn't come up with that. I think it might have been James or something, someone else back in the day. Millions of military emails leaked by typo. And we didn't come up with that. I think it might have been James or something. It was someone else back in the day. Millions of military emails leaked by typo. And we didn't tease it. Huh? All right, fine.

You can do it if you want. I was going to do when after dark. Oh, okay. I think this is hilarious. I'll try to go through it pretty quick. Millions of U.S. military emails have been leaked over the last decade due to a common typo confusing the U.S. military's special top level domain dot mil for dot ml the top level country domain of mali i don't even bother go through the rest of this i just think that is

very funny uh there's a feature in in gmail google workspace that warns you if you're emailing someone that's outside of your workspace so maybe they need something like that maybe that'll stop them from sending millions of emails to the wrong place amazing um and i think that's it time for one show after dark let's go after dark time you know you can't say Same bad time same bad channel This week Why not Because it's not

Different bad time Same bad channel That's right WAN show is going to be during LTX next week So it's going to be Later Earlier Earlier

It will be on time But the next day Oh it's on Saturday That's right No Friday WAN show yeah that doesn't count as the streak ending i agree i was wondering about that it's like do we all fail together are we going down in this ship as one are we just counting it not a failure i like counting it as not a failure no because wan show is basically friday saturday now anyway because of how often it bleeds into the next day

yeah this one's just really late yeah yeah it's just extremely late yeah you were busy dealing and dealing with ltx and so you couldn't make it on time i mean that is sort of accurate right yep 100 like yeah i mean yeah exactly all right hit us dan right. Here we go. First up, I can't resist a good plushie. Luke, if you are ever in Denver, I would love to give you a tour of the United Launch Alliance testing lab. Linus and Dan can come too, but I know Luke loves space stuff. So I curated this because I needed to tell them to email because I will go. I will be in Denver for that reason.

You nerd. I will absolutely attend. This sounds amazing, and I appreciate you reaching out. Hit up support at flipwind.com. This guy shamelessly, shamelessly leveraging his position. So good, so good. Look how little shame he has. Literally none.

I told Linus last Friday. Was it Friday? i don't remember when it was last week sometime um that i am like my future of travel i am 100 planning on it just being i'm just gonna like find cool people in the community that can get me access to really cool things and just go do that because wow fantastic so Yeah. Negative shame about this. Yeah. I think that's, I think that's accurate. So excited. Look at his face. He's beaming. Oh, I saw that in the, in the merch message dashboard. I was like, yes, that's amazing. I think there's actually a couple of those. So you might have another one that you haven't seen yet.

Sick. Um, okay. Up next, a high LLD, any update on the magnetic cable management gear? I'm hoping you also do some sort of adhesive-backed magnetic pad for people with wood desks. The update is that right now, speaking, we were talking about labor action earlier on in the show, and the Port of Vancouver is, it's been will they, won't they, will they, won't they, will they, won't they for the last few days. But the last time I looked, which was well before the show started today, they were looking at walking off the job again. And from what I've heard, every day that they are on strike is going to cause multiple days of delays because of the buildup of shipments. So we are not going to be getting any shipments of anything until all of that gets resolved.

However, my understanding is that our final production is basically ready to ship or has shipped already or something. So that should be launching sometime in the near future. And yes, it will include adhesive-back metal plates that um have holes in them so the idea is that you basically put the backing thing or you put the metal plate onto the magnet stick it exactly where you want it to go the adhesive holds it in place while you slide the magnet off if you pull it off they're so strong it might pull the adhesive backing off then you screw it in and then it is permanently installed um really excited about that product but unfortunately i don't have

an exact timeline to share it this time any new floatplane features that are coming up in the pipeline that you're excited about oh yeah the new player check out the new player it's on the beta site you can go to beta.floatplane.com um and and you'll be able to see the new player right now the live version of it has a dare i even say it the live version of it has a dark mode chat that you can enable if you want so that if you go into the the like theater view full screen player mode and you're watching something like wanshow it doesn't have this glowing white bar on the side. So that's a thing. And there's other cool new features with the player.

Full transparency, Jaden was showing me all the work that he did on the player, and I was just like smiling, nodding, while I'm thinking like, wow, this really looks like how it's always looked. And then I asked him, because I was like, man, I really can't tell what's different. I asked him to load up a version of the live site so I could see them side by side

and I was like whoa okay it's very different it just like it just feels like it kind of was always this way like it's it's not drastic in the way that you're gonna lurch because it's so crazily different or anything uh but it is very noticeably different if you put them side by side and it's definitely an upgrade. So you can check that out. And that's the main thing that's coming. There's lots of features in the pipeline, but that's the only one

I'm going to tell you guys about now. The beta site is how you're going to be able to see what's coming in the future, generally moving forward. We do plan on continuing to use that. So, yeah. All right, uh, continuing to use that. So yeah. All right. Let's see here. How did last week's international shipping shake out? Good question. Yeah. Very good question. I don't know.

He hasn't had the heart to check. Rough. Yeah. Nobody told me. Um, so maybe it's not that I didn't have the heart to check. Rough. Yeah, nobody told me. So maybe it's not that I didn't have the heart to check. Maybe it's that nobody wanted to tell me. Hello? Sir, you're on the WAN show. Yeah, what? Sir, this is a Wendy's. Yeah, it is.

Can I help you? Can I have double cheeseburger, Dave's Double for you? Spicy chicken, extra lettuce. I want a double cheeseburger and hold the lettuce. Don't be fronting, son. No seeds on the bus. Sorry. Can I get you a frosty?

Sorry. Grilled or crispy. Sorry. Okay. Anyway, the point is that the WAN Show audience wants to know how much we ate it on the shipping promo last week. A lot. What do you, what do you, do you look for numbers? What are you looking for here?

I mean, numbers are good. Like dollar amount of how much it costs us or what do you? No, Nick, I want your numbers are good. No, Nick, I want your shoe size number. Is that right? Well, it was nice. It was nice working with you, too. So this transaction, do I thank you? Do I thank you for the information?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you do, actually, because it's your fault. It's not his fault. Oh, I see. Yeah. I mean, to be fair, it was a collaborative effort, you know? All right. So maybe not, then.

Like, is that net? No, no, no. That's just shipping. Yeah. The net was positive, obviously. Really? Oh. Obviously? Oh. Obviously? I mean, it was in the report that I sent you earlier this week, if you had read it.

Yeah, but that was over the entire three days. What about that day? What about those orders? Hold on, dude. Hold on. It was profitable. Are you accounting for handling costs in your profitability calculation? Are you accounting for handling costs in your profitability calculation? Just asking God, I love this company

Oh my god, I've been enjoying telling him the same thing That's a feature not a bug it's ready for you to compute anytime You try to turn it off old man Dell shows up at your house and just turns it back on alright hold on lime day recap uh summary so yeah

um I want to say we did about 30% profit that day let's say even counting the shipping so really? yeah buddy

okay I'm gonna can I follow this up with you next week? yeah you know that people bought backpacks and stuff. Oh, yeah. You did do the call-out. Yeah, but you know how much backpacks cost to ship, right? Yes.

Okay. All right. Are we really going to do the quarterly recap off-land show? No, no. That's not necessary. Okay. All right. Thanks, Nick.

Okay. Thank you. Okay. Goodbye. Goodbye. Wow. people really bought them backpacks we were talking

uh in the parking lot after the show about how like there's certain people that uh might be in

shipping situations where they just would have never ordered so some of the orders were like huge cause they were like

okay now I'm gonna get all the things I wanted yeah I'm just going back to last friday here i have some you have some concerns about that being accurate uh no no no i would always uh i would always trust my team to not be that i need to look at the report then why do you ask him to talk about it next week uh i would i like talking about uh money a lot okay okay so okay there okay i'm i just for the sake of clarity um sure screw it net sales that day was wow three hundred twenty thousand dollars we're gonna have to talk

to the terran about wancho gross profit was one hundred twenty thousand dollars and if we spent eighty thousand dollars on shipping and shipped fourteen thousand units of stuff at an average handling cost of like a couple bucks each. I think made money is generous. Where'd the 30% come from? That's the gross profit for the day. Before the shipping. Shipping is not in there. Yeah.

So, okay. I see. All right. Yep. That's fine. That's fine. next merch message overall though overall though nick is right lime day was a success uh we moved through a lot of dead stock uh we are net positive overall on lime day even if the friday was the math it's three percent if the friday was questionable um three percent three percent profit, that's why I watched it.

If you worked back at NCX back in the day, that was probably all right. Don't forget that there are costs. No, because that's still not net. There's other costs. Some, okay.

So some of the products that we were selling, for example, are dead stock. So our cost calculation in here doesn't include the storage fees that we've accrued for those over the last two years in some cases. So, yes, but no. Also, there's almost inevitably going to be some amount of returns. Yep, administrative overhead, et cetera.

Yeah, if you can do a wild promo and you can be flat for the day, I consider that a W. I'm not criticizing the team. I'm not saying anything went wrong. What was your idea? Was it not? Well, it was a team effort. Collaborative.

Yeah, it was a team effort. Like Nick said, it was collaborative. And so if you can run a crazy promo that makes the community really happy and excited, and people were excited. Oh, yeah, absolutely. There were a ton of posts on the subreddit and all of that. I got a bunch of messages about it. And if you can, by some miracle, not lose your shirt on it,

shout out everyone who, by way you know ordered screwdrivers that might be why it like is floating on the line well no that is why yeah because the previous two days were actually a much much lower uh gross profit percentage so this one was like 30 or something like that the previous two days were much closer to the wire but people paid their own shipping right so they they overall like made money yeah not much but they made some and then the friday you guys helped a brother out ordered backpacks ordered screwdrivers we we gave you a handful of like relatively high margin items and you guys were like let's go yeah sure i'll get that yeah sure um one of those and the the lime day stuff that's it cost come on

here we go um and so that day ended up being okay but that's not the kind of thing that we could count on overall like it's not i i feel like some people might have heard that phone conversation and gone okay well you guys should just do free shipping on orders over 150 forever but that's not actually the case because you can't run a business with all the overhead associated with running a business and reinvesting in new product development. Where is it? Come on.

Like this. Woo! With, like, razor-thin profits. That's how you end up being NCIX. like razor thin profits so that's that's how you end up being ncix um so so yeah they don't exist anymore so yeah overall uh lime day was a big success um massive shout out our community and um and our team and uh we're not going to do that kind of thing all the time okay here we go hi all love the show recently received my 13th gen intel framework 13 do you think that single cable e-gp sorry e-gpu setups are a viable option in

2023 in my case it's for games like cs go and eve online uh yeah eve online and cs go that's a person who picked their games and just stuck with them yeah counter-strike and eve i like my space games i like my gun games and i like them both hardcore yeah unforgiving yeah yeah i mean you could pick up a very very egpu enclosures have gotten shockingly affordable all of a sudden. Really? Yeah, I just... I've not looked into it. Yeah, I stopped paying attention to them for a few years,

and they just quietly fell down in price by like $200. Whoa. I was trying to think. I'm trying to remember where I was shopping the other day. What the heck is eGPU.io? Wow, this is a very slow website. Anyway, okay, totally useless. Amazon still thinks they're expensive.

No, I was on... Oh, what's that Mac brand? That OWC, that's the one. I didn't even know it, so yeah, sounds good. Cool. Yeah, I was on OWCC and they had an eGPU enclosure. No, I want to stay on the US site. Jaden's asking a good question. Sure, hit it.

Are there any real options other than Razer Core? Yeah, absolutely. This thing maybe. How about this thing for $279? Whoa. Yeah. Razer Core is 550. Yeah, 650 watt power supply.

You can basically power like whatever you want full length full height double width cards so you will you are a little limited and you can't put like a 4090 in it or whatever but that is very reasonable works i mean because a lot of them back in the day were kind of sketchy um i don't see any reason why it wouldn't yeah no no really like yeah no it's not as it's not as sketchy these days okay but yeah these these things are freaking affordable um and so if you if you you know get a gpu like it's especially if you think of it as like a long-term investment if you are definitely gonna be a laptop guy or a laptop gal forever and you're going to want to upgrade your gpu you know

at some point then you can you can start to do the math a little bit differently you can amortize the cost of your enclosure over multiple gpu upgrades so instead of costing 280 dollars okay well now i've bought myself two e-gpus so you like you upgrade it down the line now it costs 140 dollars each time or you know it down the line now it cost 140 each time or you know i'm going to use it for three generations which might be optimistic but we'll see uh and you know now it cost me 85 dollars per generation or whatever the case may be um yeah no i definitely think it's viable i would like to see i would like to see an 8x external interface at some point that actually takes off

but right now it seems to be very early days like framework has that thing that they're building out of the caboose of the framework 16 but that's not really external it's not even hot pluggable and then asus has their xg mobile thing but it's highly proprietary um i don't know msi had that one way back in the day where the laptop just had a slot in the back and just like plugged it into the dock it just hasn't been standardized so i don't i don't i don't know what if anything we would see that would replace thunderbolt at this point but i would like to see something that doubles up the lanes or i mean at the very least moves to gennerbolt 4 Gen 3 bandwidth? I can't remember, but we need more bandwidth, basically.

The one that you brought up, was it an Akitio? Akitio, yep. Yeah, okay. Sounds good. I found the same thing. I was hunting around. Oh, yeah. Yeah, good reviews at least. Yeah. 15 of them? Yeah, okay. Yeah, there you go.

Linus, how did you develop your writing and editing style for ltd scripts is this just something you figured out doing so many scripts or did you also get some advice or inspiration from somewhere so many so many um i'm also just i'm a sponge i'm an absorber you know when i when I encounter something that I like, I go, man, I wish I thought of that. And then, you know, I try to integrate that into what I'm doing. And I read a lot of comments. I take a lot of feedback. And some of it is garbage. Sometimes you guys, quite frankly, suck at giving feedback.

But other times... Other times people don't actually know what they want. Yeah, other times you guys are really great at giving feedback, and it's hugely beneficial, so don't stop doing it. Also, I know you don't watch a lot of YouTube videos, but I know you pay attention to what's working on YouTube

to a certain degree, at least. Oh yeah, I'm watching what is showing up on the homepage in an incognito tab. Absolutely. Yeah. How do you all feel about the new Microsoft Entra ID name for Azure Active Directory? Microsoft Entra. We talked about this before.

It's stupid. Okay. I believe. Yeah, they just rebranded Azure. Oh, yeah. Okay, whatever. Okay. I probably forgot because I just don't care. Negativityranded Azure. It's like. Oh, yeah. Okay, whatever. Okay. Yeah.

I probably forgot because I just don't care. Negativity around the brand right now. Cool. With slow regulation and wide tech illiteracy gap, how do you keep people aware of emerging tech and the risk that they can pose? For example, scammers mimicking people's voices. It's hard. Just keep saying it.

You know, tell your friends, tell your family, tell them to tell their friends, tell them to tell your family. Word of mouth is shockingly powerful still. Even in the internet age, it doesn't, the power of word of mouth doesn't go away. Like we picked our flooring contractor for our new house just based on what the previous owner said

that she used and liked, because, you know, she seemed like someone who had her, had her act together. And it seemed like the quality had held up quite well since, you know, 1990, whatever, when they built that place. So we just went with the same thing because people don't want to do a bunch of research. Yeah. Contrary to what, you know, Reddit thinks. They just, they want a good option. And if, and they, and they trust someone they have a personal connection with far more than they, they trust an endorsement from someone that they don't have a personal connection with. Yeah. Hey, LLND, when shipping the replacement zipper pull on the backpacks, would it be

possible to order something from the store and just have the pulls thrown in with the shipment to save money for you? I don't think we're going to have any way of managing that. And I suspect we're probably going to end up shipping the pulls from Asia directly rather than shipping them across the ocean and then shipping them again, because that would just feel pointless and stupid. So if there's any way for us to do that, that's what we're going to try to do. So if there's any way for us to do that, that's what we're going to try to do. Question for Luke. I'm currently producing a tennis challenge in Gransby, and we've run into many glitches with NDI.

What's the most stress you've been producing something live, and how did you manage? What about me? I feel like you're a better person to answer this oh every single wan show um and extremely badly yeah i mean you're basically um performing live in front of you know anywhere from 10 to 20 000 people and your boss and his former boss yeah still sort of and but one of them's antagonistic which one were you pointing at it looked like luke but that doesn't seem right you know those those guys oh both of them i mean sometimes you know what you're doing you have to trust in something um sometimes it's yourself and most of the times it's not but if you're getting glitches you get one glitch that's not good enough you need to have

it be more robust than that yeah five nines five nines every every day of the day yeah every day of the week every day of the day it's okay it's late i think i heard i think i literally heard a yawn next up hi dll was researching some stuff and saw that all the major os makers are starting to push app sandboxing at some level how do you think anti-cheat devs will react if when this becomes mandatory. I haven't heard about this. What is this sandboxing? Sandboxing is good. Anti-cheat devs, I don't know. Because they don't like the VM stuff. I'm not sure.

I really don't know. I'm not sure if there's some some way that they can try to honestly it's it's a battle that must be fought but it's a losing battle um in my opinion so i feel bad for the anti-jeet developers um i have pretty much given up on like I have pretty much given up on like really wanting to be competitive in shooters because as far as I can tell every single shooter game is just overrun by cheaters um so I don't know I don't know. I don't know. I have no idea. Sorry.

For someone with little professional experience, but a lot of hobby experience in basic coding, Python, HTML, etc., is data analytics a good starting point or seek other options? Absolutely could be. Yeah, you can do some data analytics stuff in Python. You can do data analytics on a lot of different things. Um, I'm, I'm not a hundred percent certain what the question is, is that for like, I don't know if you're asking for like, in order to get into a profession or to do something that you think is fun. Um, if you're trying to get into a profession, there's lots of work out there for lots of

different developers. I don't think specifically like bringing yourself into the specialization of data analytics is going to necessarily do the greatest thing for you when you could be a little bit more broad. But I am also certain that there is jobs out there for data analytics. So, yeah. I can't believe we didn't cover this. Oh, it's live i had a question about this as well go for it i know at least one person on my team that is going to buy this jake already pre-ordered it too yep so exciting man these guys are crushing it. DIY edition, pre-built.

They had such an incredible response that... Oh, my. They are now not shipping until Q1 of next year. Whoa. Every model? Every single model? Every single model. I know a lot of people that were like,

the second this drops, I'm buying it. Which I never hear with something like a laptop. Maybe for a graphics card. But, yeah. People believe in the mission. Their second attempt, first product, great. Second product, great. Second product, wow. These guys are absolutely crushing it over there.

I'm super excited for them, super proud of them. Super happy as an investor that I didn't just put my money in a fire because I was willing to, but if I don't have to, that's great. Tell me something. How would you guys feel at this point if they did another round of funding and i re-upped is that is there any additional conflict of interest at this point or is it even possible well no here's the thing because initially the way that i sold this to the community was i really want to support this mission and i feel like it's already in it

now i don't think it matters and i'm willing to kiss the money thing to do. Yeah, but you're already in it now. I don't think it matters. And I'm willing to kiss the money goodbye. Well, I can tell you now, my intent is really different. This time around, I'm looking at it going, how about I make some money by putting it in framework because these guys are heading for the freaking moon. I think that's still valid. Does that matter?

Because if you're helping them head to the moon, I think that's good. Because we valid because if you're helping them head to the moon i think that's good because you want we've talked a long time ago about how like if you want to enact change doing so in a way that makes you money is actually often the best possible way to do it because that's the best way to ensure that you continue to have funding nobody seems to care yeah they're like let's go. You already have money in the system. It literally changes genuinely nothing.

Well, it changes the percentage I own. Okay. Why does that matter? I mean, I don't know. It matters a little. I don't think it matters. I think that's why everyone's saying do it. I'm just, I'm just, I'm excited.

It's good of you to ask. I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I mean. It is good that you ask. Seeing the way they're executing, I'm just sitting here going, I mean, yeah, take more. Oh, it's sick. It's the most exciting laptop on the market. To be clear, I don't have any money right now. I have nothing in it at all.

So my statement came from nowhere. Yeah. Like, I actually don't. We got the keys for the badminton center. Oh, yeah. That makes sense that you would have no money in the market i actually have no money relax dan we kept a float for payroll that's okay maybe they'll pay me one day oh come on you can't say that i know i'm just kidding no there's no concern

if i want to be serious there's no concern okay Okay. I trust you very much. Yeah. Don't trust me. Trust Yvonne. That's what I was saying. And her team. That's what I was saying. I mean, we have an accounting team now, like five people on the accounting team. It's like, when did this happen? I don't get it, you know? It happened just after I started.

But yeah, anyway, the point is that when and if they were to do another round of funding, if I found a couple hundred thousand dollars between the couch cushions, would anybody begrudge me that? Does it matter? Sounds like no. If you did what, sorry? If you hid money in couch cushions? No, if I found a couple hundred thousand dollars between the couch cushions

and wanted to spend it on framework. Oh. Is that okay? No, I'm not literally finding it. You're getting hung up on finding it in the couch cushions. It's a joke. It's more fun to do that, though. It's a joke.

What he's going to do is he's going to... I want your couch cushions. Nice couch. No, it's not! It's figurative! Can I buy your couch cushions? They're alpaca wool. That's where all the money went. Yeah, can I buy your couch? No, it's not a figurative! Can I buy your couch, please? They're alpaca wool.

That's where all the money went. We actually have so much alpaca wool, we need to figure out what to do with it. We own like $200,000 of alpaca wool. Give it to Framework. No, from... Wool laptop? Wool laptop cover? Yeah, Linus Tech Tip.

Make your Framework laptop smell. For a limited time, when you order a laptop cover? Yeah. Linus Tech Tip, make your framework laptop smell. For a limited time, when you order a laptop, get a miniature laptop cushion made with alpaca wool stuffing. I think, say, 1988 in floatplane chat has probably the best take here. It could make a difference if he invested a significant portion of his wealth. Right now, if they go under, it wouldn't be good for Linus's finances, but it wouldn't be life-changing. So yeah, I think that's a better take than just go for it.

But that's someone talking about it from a defense of you standpoint. They're wanting to make sure that you are not too invested. Sure, but they're helping me sort of frame it correctly. Okay. But the question that you were asking was, is it ethically okay for me to do this? Yeah, and they're saying yes,

as long as it's not fight or flight for me to make it work. Not fight or flight, as long as it's not do or die. So as long as you don't do or die so as long as you don't buy twitter and then abandon tesla yeah yeah yeah or or start behaving in a way that negatively impacts linus media group because you're too focused on this because i'm too focused on on framework fair enough oh man i it's been it's i know i still haven't done this ceo incoming q a stream with you, Flo Plankshot. I'm so sorry.

But anyway, here's the kind of thing that I might talk about in it if I were to ever get around to doing one. I will at some point. Stop it. Stop shaking your head. I'm going to do it. Dude, you said you're going to do it like a month and a half ago or something. I will do it.

I will do it. Just calm down. Anyway, I had a really refreshing conversation with our new ceo today um it was cool because he came to me asking for me to make a decision about something it was you know whether or not we'd be comfortable working with a makeup brand and um everyone does that which is why i don't want that job anymore so i said i know what i would say but how about this why don't want that job anymore. So I said, I know what I would say, but how about this? Why don't you tell me what we're going to do? And let's see how closely they match.

And he basically goes, well, they're an established brand. They're reputable. This particular product seems to have pretty solid overlap with our audience. They have deep pockets. I don't see any reason why we wouldn't do this. And I go, cool. That's exactly what I would have said. And now next time we don't need to have this conversation at all. And I can trust that we're in good hands. Perfect. So yeah, I'm, I'm excited. I think it's going to be, I think it's going to be really good. It's been, it's been

amazing how long we haven't worked together and Haven't really like we'd like hang out at events and stuff sometimes or would like text sometimes But probably the grand total of time we've spent together since we both left NCIX is like maybe 20 hours I think I never quite realized how how much of And I might be projecting here and might just be wrong But how much of your like communication style be projecting here and might just be wrong but how much of your like communication style and certain other things came from him because it's been really weird it's been really weird working with him because it feels like i've worked with

him forever but i've had probably actually like five or six like not including the retreat like specific meetings with him about work but it feels like i've had like hundreds and i'm just like this is this is odd i don't know i can't tell if that's positive or negative are you being positive it's a positive i told him at our last one i i he was asking me about something that i'm not gonna specifically bring up. But I told him like a bunch of things and then ended it with like, I was concerned and was pushing back when Linus was like originally pitching, bringing you on.

Yeah, Luke was one of the strongest sort of... Well, because from my perspective, and he understood this as well. From my perspective, I've had two bosses ever that I've worked with that I thought were good. And I've had a lot of jobs. I was, when I was growing up, I was like my bosses ever that I've worked with that I thought were good. And I've had a lot of jobs. I was,

when I was growing up, I was like my mom in that way. I would just rinse through jobs all the time. And I like hated the leadership at all of them. And I liked working with Linus. So, so far with my track record, the chance I was going to like the new guy was really low.

And I was like, I don't want to like leave because I don't like the new leadership like that would suck so I was highly concerned about that but the way that working with him has been so far has felt eerily familiar and it's just like oh okay this is cool all right this is fine the pitch I gave you guys it... It feels like more Linus. He taught me everything I know. Now I'm concerned. For better or for worse. Well, I mean, I didn't learn everything, Dan.

But what I do know came from there. And I brought up one of the things that I was happy about was you and Yvonne seem to be endless wells of effort, but you are two people. Yes. And you are shouldering significantly more than two people worth of work. No matter how hard you tried, you weren't going to be able to do it. So just whatever.

So certain things would get kind of left aside or not addressed or whatever. And now having a person who can do that. So you guys can focus more on what you should be doing. Just makes a lot of sense. And it's good. Yeah. It's going to take some time for things to actually really start happening

because he's only actually been here for like technically two weeks. Something like that. So like, whoa now. He's very much in observation mode right now. Yeah, which makes sense. Yeah, no, it's been good. Yep.

All right, moving on on clear purple screwdriver when how dare you curate that let's get uh let's get back more positive cash I mean answer the question I've already shown a clear screwdriver I think you guys saw that I think that if we were to stop at clear that might be kind of short sighted

however I will say this. We are not anywhere near doing anything beyond the next three colorways that we have planned. And that does not include any tinted clear plastics. You probably want to see how well those alternative colors do, I guess. We want to see not just how well they do in terms of sales performance we're not even there yet first we need to see how well they do in terms of in terms of are they manufacturable because we're not redoing our molds to do clear plastic that is not on the table and the way that clear plastic behaves when cooling compared to the really durable chemical resistant really

awesome triax material that we're using right now is different and we know that we've had prototype clear drivers for probably about a year so are you going to be selling them with like uh like a caveat of like it's not as durable yeah absolutely yeah we'd have to it's not um so like a lot of like workshops and stuff that are trying to outfit their workshops with screwdrivers will probably stick with the Triax material ones. But maybe if you're just like, I build computers sometimes, you could get one of the clear ones. Well, it'll be better than that. Like it'll be good. It's just Triax is great.

Right. Fair enough. So, you know, it's not like, oh, yeah, this is a piece of crap and it's just immediately shattered. It's not like that at all. I mean, think about what you probably did to your clear N64 controllers. Right. And they're all fine. And it's fine.

Many, many decades later. But this is Triax. Right. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Cool. So, yeah, we have been aware of the demand for different colorways.

We had intended to do different colorways much earlier. The problem is that you people ordered so many of them. We've sold 150,000 screwdrivers. So keeping up with production, getting stubby going, all these different colorways, this puts strain on our limited production capacity and that of our partners. So we can't just go to PH and say,

hey, we need you guys to parallelize your operation immediately so that you can start running six different projects for us at the same time. That's not a thing, right? Logistics is complicated. The real world is really complicated, especially when you're trying to do anything at volume. Like, look at the stupid carabiner replacements for the backpack. That's taken a freaking year as well. And it's not because we're not trying.

It's not because we're not constantly iterating and working on it. It's just that even once we have a solution we have a solution now we have a solution today but it takes time to manufacture 150 000 of anything right like if it was just one backpack yeah i could have you i could have your replacement probably like in a couple days because we've like got some samples here but it's not one backpack and we want to do it in a way that's fair to everyone so it's it's really just like really challenging we would have had new color ways like way sooner if you guys didn't keep ordering so many bloody screwdrivers and keeping the production going but, appreciate you guys.

He just spent all his money on a badminton center. Please, you can keep buying screwdrivers. Don't forget the lab. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You had already spent it. I not only, like, when I said I don't have money, I meant I don't have cash. In terms of, like, actual, like, money,

it's actually, like, negative. Like, I have debt. I have much debt on the lab right now tends to be how this stuff don't forget about the debt on the badminton center either but look i'm not asking for i'm not asking for your pity obviously everything over here is going great i'm really excited about what the lab's doing really excited for the badminton center and like you know we're we're killing it we're killing it um but we we we appreciate y'all a lot yeah i i thought about the carabiners for the or the the whatever the poles for the backpack recently because um my the bag that i bring to the gym

which no i cannot use an ltd backpack for this because i go in the pool and then shower afterwards so i need a wet area and the bag that i go to the gym for has a ventilated. Is your wet area right here? Oh, my. HR? It has an area for wet clothes that ventilates out, which is great. The shoulder strap thing, the clasp came apart. It bent slightly too much, so it doesn't really close anymore, and I'll just come off It's so annoying, but I was like I'm not gonna get too mad

Cuz we're going through similar stuff How's the gym bag when that would be kind of sick? Yeah, we'd love to do more bags bags are like Shockingly big business. I recently became aware of this like influencer bag brand. I'm looking at it going like, okay. And they're doing just like obscene amounts of volume. Like how many people need a like luggage? Luggage has always been so weird to me.

The fact that like Willowbrook Mall had a luggage store in like the early 2000s. That's all they did. And they were around for a long time. I was like, how? Nobody's ever in the store when you go there. Yeah. I don't know. And everyone that I know that has luggage, their luggage is ancient.

They bought it 10 years ago. Yeah, me too. And they still have it. I mean, if we did a luggage luggage we'd make sure it totally kicks butt or whatever but like yeah i just don't know what we'd be adding to the conversation i'm sure there's actually some to add to the conversation when it comes to luggage uh in my opinion there's there's a lot you could do um my thing is just like how many of those stores exist and how they are able to revenue that much that they can stay around is wild to me. How do they even revenue? Yeah.

Hello DLL. Thanks for all your videos and the WAN show. Quick question. What happened to the NCIX PC? Still happening. We've just been really busy in the lead up to LTX and the people who are helping Tanner with the NCIX wall PC are busy getting ready for LTX.

Oh, you're going to make me read this one. Okay. How did we do, my absolute gigachads? Any word on when the backpacks start shipping with the new zipper pulls? Sorry, zipper pulls. I'm eagerly waiting. P.S. Tell my friend Alex he's an idiot. Um.

All right. I was going to edit the last bit, Dan. Rude. Wow. How could you say that on this show? He knows. He knows. How could you be that mean to Alex L., huh?

I'm just reading the copy on the prompter. Gosh. That's what they pay me to do. Um, yeah. Backpacks, what they pay me to do. Yeah. Backpacks, shipping, zipper pulls, new zipper pulls? I don't know. It depends on production lead times. It depends on if we're able to figure out how to ship directly out of Asia.

It depends on whether a boat full of backpacks ever actually makes it through the Vancouver port. boat full of backpacks ever actually makes it through the Vancouver port. We are running short on our original 40,000 unit order though. We're running pretty low. So we're going to see how that goes. Luckily for you, this European forgot to order last week. For all of you, what's your favorite meal to make yourself?'s not really a meal but man i cannot resist like spicy instant noodles oh yeah that's a that's a bit of a guilty pleasure for me too

so good with a poached egg not poached no i scramble it i i throw in some egg just to have some like justification for consuming that garbage you don't poach it in the broth? No, I can't handle yolk on its own. The taste of yolk is disgusting. I have to scramble eggs to eat them. I have kind of two. There's the inverted chicken cordon bleu thing, which I won't go into again. And then there's...

It gets him laid. And then there's also this uh i started making this soup you know zuppa toscana from olive garden nope okay well it's a soup from olive garden that's super good um and for my birthday every year i used to bring my family to olive garden and we would get the soup salad and breadsticks combo because it was unlimited for all of them and i just have a whole bunch of zuppa toscana because i love that soup um and then i went and wanted to make it for myself one day because i was like maybe i should just make some of my own and i realized how incredibly bad for you it is because it's made with just like heavy creamer and right all that kind of stuff

so i was like okay i'm gonna make my own version of this i'm gonna try to accomplish making the reasons why i like this thing but without so much of the bad stuff so using like chicken broth and things like that instead of heavy creamer and I I don't know what to call it anymore because it's almost everything in it has completely changed I use like kale and chicken broth and a very specific type of sausage and all this other kind of stuff so whatever my version of that is but I love it I like it more than the original um it's like good for you now and stuff and uh i like making that but i make it fairly rarely it's very much a winter soup what did you call it uh the the the soup that you like olive garden version was i believe it's just called zepa to scanna but zepa to theseus if you've changed everything in it i love it's just called zappa to scanna but zappa to theseus if you've changed everything in

it i love it i do believe everything has changed and that is still how i reference it so yeah royalties please absolutely um up next hey lld i think we'll ever see a mainline framework style decent phone i mean i'd love to see it but it's going to be a whole new set of challenges and it's going to be really difficult man i don't know what else to tell you booyah ldx merch ordered thanks for me signing up to floatplane for the first time ever question for lld what is the best and dumbest convention swag you've either purchased or have been given? Wow. I'm 100% certain there's been a lot of it, but I feel like I wouldn't remember it because I just throw it out.

Yeah, I was hoping you would have something for this. I curated it because I can't remember a single convention swag item that i've ever been given i still i i literally have i have a tile from nvidia on my keys right now oh okay that's not dumb though no it's sweet but that's my problem like i i i remember a fair amount of convention swag um there's even been some like actually really cool shirts i didn't like the brand but astro gaming had a really cool shirt back in the day bad screwdrivers were really common in tech for a bit there really awful screwdrivers

MSI had this pen set I was so traumatized I made my own MSI had this pen set where it was all these different colors of pens but all the pens were so bad that it would just never work I got a really cool one from ibuypower back in the day you know they're like like cougar like like logo it was thumb

screws for your pci slots that i remember those that's pretty cool those were sick weren't they gold too yeah yeah those were very there's been a bunch of really cool swag but honestly like if it's trash swag it doesn't even make it out of the convention center i'll just garbage can it before i'm out um or just not take it in the first place if that's an option i think i still have a teeny tiny little pillow from a yacht convention i went to once there's like three by three inch tiny little pillow that was for fabric samples if you wanted your yacht couches to be done in this fabric. That was kind of weird. Nick corrects me. It is not $200,000 of alpaca wool.

It is less than $100,000 of alpaca wool. That's good. All that means to me is that it could be $99,999 of alpaca wool. It's still not $200,000. It's less than half of what you thought. That's true. Hey, Linus and Luke, when looking for buildings for LMG, have you ever looked at taking over a dead mall?

The company I work for is leasing a 100,000-square-foot facility for a car museum. There aren't any. Yeah, not here. We don't have that problem in Canada. America, yeah. I mean, I'm sure there's parts of Canada that have that same problem, but Vancouver ain't it, chief.

Yeah. LTT.dll, two questions. One, thoughts on how I could donate my old 5950X motherboard and RAM to computer science students? And two, would you ever sponsor tech students or hire interns once labs is up? As far as donations go, I have no idea how to make sure that it gets to the right place. I mean, that's something I think pretty much every charity struggles with. As for sponsoring tech students or hiring interns once labs is up, apparently we already do.

We've taken on some paid. We've taken on some inter paid. We've, we've taken on some interns and Gary's coordinating all of that. I basically told him, I think it's stupid and a waste of time. And he said, he thinks it's good and not a waste of time. And I said,

okay, see you later. They have a type of task. They have some tasks in a category that I do believe it makes sense for. I don't think it would make sense for like float plane. I've never thought it made sense for float plane, but some of their tasking, I think it's, I think it's smart. I think he think it would make sense for, um, like float plane. I've never thought it made sense for float plane, but, uh, some of their tasking, I think it's, I think it's smart. I think he's doing the right thing and giving people a really cool opportunity. So I think

it's working in both for both sides. Good. This one's for Luke. Hey, uh, LDL, I work at a company that makes spacecraft mechanisms and other spacecraft. Luke seems to have a good time at NASA. If he had a chance to visit a company like us, would he want to? I told you there was two. I bet you forgot. All right. This is amazing. Email us. Yeah. Archive. And it's gone. Do you expect Apple to try and avoid the EU mandating USB-C and removable batteries on phones in the coming years? yes hey ldl what are the chances yeah easy what are the chances of getting some jeans from ltt i work in hvac and i've been cooking no no no jeans jeans are really hard it's a difficult material to work with and people have wow do they ever have expectations when it comes to gene fit and sizing i think the

closest you're going to get from us is our upcoming cargo pants for the time being hey luke could you talk a bit about floatplane's monthly internal dev day i'm trying to sell the idea to my boss on also linus i forgot to use the free shipping code you're welcome i uh we've been struggling to actuate it recently due to, um, goal structures and stuff like that, but effectively how it works was it's supposed to be the, the last Friday of every month we have something called creative day. Um, and the idea behind creative day is you get to work on whatever you want. Um, and it's whatever you want, as long as it could plausibly maybe bring benefit to the company. There's only ever been one time where I've shot something down.

Um, and every, everything else has been accepted. There's been some really fantastic things that have come from it. There's been some stuff that we will definitely never use and won't see the light of day. That's fine. Mostly because we get the really fantastic things. If you're trying to sell this to your boss, something that we got from one of those is the thing that you used to talk to me right now,

which is merch messages at the bottom of the screen. Which, by the way, is quite profitable. Yeah, to a person's boss. It works well. We're going to get it. It's been kind of not really used for a little while now, but we're going to get it going again. The Labs web team did a version of it recently. And what might happen to the floatplane one is how it works might change a little bit. What the Labs web team did was at the end of the quarter, they had a little bit of not much, but they had a little bit of time that was kind of spare because they finished their goals

just slightly ahead of time. So we did a little hackathon and that was awesome. We got some very, very cool projects out of the hackathon. And what we learned from that, however, is moving forward, it's very likely that we will theme these types of events because an issue that we had with the floatplane ones and an issue that we had with the labs ones is people were a little lost for what to do and I find when people need to be creative it often helps when you kind of put bumpers on there like bowling bumpers like kind of keep them in a bit of a lane it can get them to generate ideas kind of easier sometimes so yeah. Hi DLL any updates on selling things at Micro Center? I'm an associate and would love to see your products is kind of easier sometimes. So, yeah. Hi, DLL.

Any updates on selling things at Micro Center? I'm an associate and would love to see your products in the stores. P.S. The button-down makes a great killer work shirt. I only curated this because of the great plug for the button-down shirt. No updates. Sorry. DLL, a game called Food Court.

Build your perfect meal. Example, my favorite fries are fresh McDonald's, favorite burgers Harvey's, favorite onion rings, etc. What perfect meal would you get? I'm going to add the stipulation that it has to be fast food. What's your fast food combo? Okay, so mine is the... something they have to remember yeah are we are we okay canadian yes so canada terrible fast food across the board all of our fast food is a and w is way better than yours that's the only one we got

okay so um i would probably i'd probably just go for the classic a and w teen burger which is not the same as the american one the american one is actual literal garbage and i wouldn't feed it to my dog um i'm gonna go with tim horton's tim horton's lemon iced tea um it's just their their brewed iced tea is is really good and my fries have got to be McDonald's. I'm sorry. Man, when the kids ask for McDonald's, when they ask for fries, I almost always say yes so I can steal a few.

I don't want to eat a whole thing of them because it's just like really. Yeah, it's just garbage, yeah. But I eat a few every time. Yeah, McDonald's fries, but I'm going with a Wendy's spicy chicken with extra lettuce and added bacon mm-hmm just makes a whole world of difference beverage oh I want to take

back my beverage but go ahead ditch the beverage no beverage get a frosty yeah yeah I was like as soon as you said Wendy's I realized I screwed up my beverage yeah the the teen burgers a very good choice, but the spicy chicken just... There are definitely days where I would prefer the teen burger, but I think overall, if I'm going for percentages, I'm more often going to want the spicy chicken. But I really, the added lettuce and the added bacon like so good hey linus would ltd exist if you never met luke

oh this is a good one um yes i mean it existed before luke so the answer to that question is sort of self-apparent. However, would LMG exist in its current form without Luke? And I think the answer there is definitely not. Yeah, I don't think so. A lot of the key ingredients were there. I was there. Yvonne was there. Ed, for that matter, was there. So that's three quarters of the

original team. Luke wasn't involved in the hiring of Ed. Although, here's the thing, by that time, Luke already had my ear and was, I shouldn't say wasn't involved. He didn't make the decision, decision but we talked about it and it was the conversations that we had that was part of what led me to gain the confidence to leave NCIX and go on my own Luke has also been a key guiding star for our corporate moral compass I think that we're both really well aligned. However, there's a certain kind of gravity effect, right? When you have like-minded people around you, it's easier to stay on course versus when you're just in a bubble

surrounded by people who don't have the same alignment. So your question is really difficult to answer because almost everything that's happened since we met has been impacted by the other. So yes, because it existed already anyway. Line of sectors was already a thing. But no, not exactly like this i mean i don't i have a i've thought about this before i have a feeling i i don't think so i mean there'd be no handshow

yeah there'd be no forum i had no capability to put up a forum which was a big part of how we've created the community we have and it was bigger then it was more important when we initially went um the peak user count hasn't changed in like a really long time yeah so like a lot of the formative stuff right was um so what linus is saying is you've encouraged his destructive personality. Okay, this destructive personality has worked out pretty good. Yeah. Pretty good overall.

I think everyone here is employed, at least partially, thanks to this destructive personality. Employed here. Everyone here would be employed anyway. I don't... This is the thought process I've gone through. I don't think you would have the thought process i've gone through i don't think you would have stayed at ncx though no yeah but i don't think i don't necessarily think lmg would exist or it definitely wouldn't exist in the same way i i feel like you would have it might have just been ltd potentially that might not have been lmg yeah or you might

have joined someone else what What was the group? Because I did push pretty, when there was conversations about creating LMG, I did push pretty hard for you to do it. Yeah, absolutely. So I think the chance that you would have just potentially gone and worked for some of the other kind of options that were on the table at the time, because there was a few, if I remember correctly, would go up. I don't know necessarily that it would be guaranteed, but it would go up. We were both pretty down with the concept of like internet video being the next thing at the time, which ages us a little bit. But yeah, so I think it's, it would definitely be possible that you could have just decided to split off and do it anyways. By the way, shoot,

I shouldn't have sent you those videos I sent you earlier. Did you like look at them in detail? Not really. Good, don't. Oh, why? Just don't. Don't worry about it. Okay.

I remember them pretty well. That's fine. Okay. We will give no details about what that was. Nope. Hi DLL. Great show. Question for Luke. Did you ever watch Dragon Ball Z Abridged? I'm asking because there's a

really tall android that always shouts Hi Bird when he sees a bird. Reminds me of you. I curated this. We're not answering. That's the stupid question. But I just thought it was really funny. No, it's not a stupid question but but i just thought it was really funny no it's not a stupid question i'm just i'm bugging you i'm bugging you no i haven't yeah that's really funny but i but i knew he hadn't so that's what made it the question not the important part to me i just the hi burke yeah i just imagine luke doing that it's very funny

beat saver at ltx i can't go but i'd love to know how about bad linus's godly skill in laszlo supernova can be beat by good luck i'm very excited uh actually i'm i'm pretty rusty i haven't been playing enough lately so i'm like not that strong and the endurance matters a lot in the really hard songs do not take that as he is bad that man is terrifying shall we move into potentials yeah hey dll luke do you still play and recommend orna what do you think of the latest update thanks for the show i do not play it anymore uh somewhat somewhat begrudgingly i heard after i quit that they changed some things that made this a little bit better but um the entire reason why i played that

game and the entire reason why i enjoyed that game was because the thing that i didn't like in the past about pokemon go which i heard might be fixed now is that uh the first thing i ever tried to do i was like i'm gonna go get a geo dude and I hiked a mountain and then realized that there's basically no Pokemon out in the wild. Orna wasn't like that. You could go anywhere and there was stuff, there was things to do. So it encouraged wandering. It encouraged going out and going for a walk or even jumping on a bike or going for a run or whatever and taking pauses every once in a while to do things. It encouraged getting outside. The problem that I had with Orna was once you got to a certain point, it like discouraged that, uh, the, the things that you gained benefit from were like

doing crap in your town, which was naturally going to be built around where you lived. So like you, it, it literally made it actively bad for you to go out for a walk. And I'm like, this is the whole reason why I got this game again. I've heard they've updated and maybe fix some of that, but I do not play anymore because of that reason. Yeah, that's it.

Are there any trendy services that you still use and think is worth it what does that mean this is a tough one i have services i subscribe to like i subscribe to home assistant i don't think that's particularly trendy um i actually genuinely don't know what this means oh like a i think a trendy service would be something like uh like a meal prep service or something like that oh you know or like uh or like uh i i would say like uh like a meal prep service or something like that oh uh you know or like uh or like uh i i would say like uh what's that bike that everyone loved and then hated or something because they had a bad commercial and oh peloton yeah yeah or like a peloton subscription like do you have anything like that not really no i i promote the idea especially if you're trying to

learn how to cook um to subscribe to one of those ingredients delivery services that come with a recipe. Subscribe to one of those for, I don't know, two, three months or something, and then cancel it. I don't have any mystery boxes. No. Those are super dead, eh, I think. I haven't heard about those subscription boxes in a while.

But that's probably good, so I don't heard about those, like, subscription boxes in a while. Yeah, I have no idea. I mean, Mark Rober has one. But that's probably good, so I don't know. I don't know if it's terrible or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I just, I would imagine it would be pretty okay. No, I'm trying to think. The only things I can think of for a subscription is, like, YouTube Premium. Does ChatGPT count?

No. Up next. I think this is our last one, actually. So, LLD. Nope, I replied to it. Okay, we're done. We'll see you again next week! Same! No, other more different bad time. Yes. But same bad channel. Correct. Bye!

You almost did the thing before bye. It was close. You almost did the thing before back. It was close. It's clear. Bye, Liner.