The WAN Show - SUCK IT BIG TECH - WAN Show March 25, 2022

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Starting point is 00:00:32 We've got a great show lined up for you this week. The best. Man, the EU Digital Markets Act. It sounds super boring, but could be an absolute game changer. Actually spicy. Can you imagine sending a message from your Signal app to someone else's iMessage app? Pretty crazy. What else we got this week? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:00:58 Microsoft and Okta were hacked by Lapsus, but some arrests have been made. Yeah. And the culprit isn't who you might have thought really well depending okay but we'll talk about it 100 did but okay uh v7 fake profile ai detector uh actually sounds like it could be cool deep fakes are are picking up pretty heavily lately there's been some really crazy ones and this should be able to detect them which is very interesting i think it's gotta be this next one down here huh the one that i highlighted uh oh really yeah come on that's a main topic isn't it is it i thought Okay, so Linus wants to shout out Ukraine selling Invasion Timeline NFTs,

Starting point is 00:01:46 which is another NFT topic. NFTs for... We talk about every week despite not liking them. Maybe? I mean, that's fair enough. I don't know. I was going to say Intel introduces new ATX PSU specs, which is... No, I think Riley being a character in a video game yeah than that that's pretty cool

Starting point is 00:02:06 that's awesome actually all right let's roll the intro sweet thanks why don't we jump right into our first topic for the day which is of course lttstore.com got him okay but seriously though we have hair scrunchies now oh hey all right yeah lttstore.com okay no but seriously our first topic of the day is the eu digital markets act this is a huge flipping deal the eu parliament on thursday reached an agreement on a package of laws called the digital markets act to curb technology companies anti-competitive conduct it's so obvious okay oh man i i want to start hot takes no i want to start a new streak with no spicy take no you already did no no but it's just it is so infuriating dealing with Apple apologists or really any big tech company apologist. Yeah, kind of across the board, to be honest.

Starting point is 00:03:31 Where they go, oh, but the benefits are blah, blah, blah. No, they told you the benefits are that. The real benefits are this, and that's it. That's actually it. And anyone who wants to try to justify, like, oh man, the Epic versus Apple thing was one that was particularly frustrating because on Twitter, people would just have these long back and forths that I'm tagged in, or they would send me these long tweet threads

Starting point is 00:04:07 about how bad Epic is and how they're only in it for the money and this and that. And it's like, no, you just obviously do not understand the issue. Anyone that argues against right to repair or free and open competition is just incorrect because if you are anyone other than a significant shareholder in that company or an executive of that company, there is nothing in it for you. There is literally nothing in it for you to anti-competitive behavior. You want competition. The more, the absolute merrier. And apparently,

Starting point is 00:04:54 the EU parliament has figured it out, which is kind of amazing because they certainly don't get everything right. I would also like to say that it's cool that this legislation is applying to what they're calling gatekeeper companies that have a value of over 75 billion euros on annual sales of 7.5 billion euros and 45 million monthly users and platforms. That note and platforms is kind of odd. I'm not sure exactly where that's supposed to be. And platforms, I think, probably has a specific definition. Yeah, just dropping it there, floating is a little interesting. But basically, it seems like they're just trying to target actual big dog players. Yes.

Starting point is 00:05:36 Which is kind of nice. Because some of these, I think they shoot a little too low into companies that are still extremely in the small business range. And then it's kind of rough for them to deal with it sometimes. But companies at that size, of course, they can absorb basically whatever. So yeah, sweet. Try to make the world better. So the proposed rules would require ensuring interoperability of their instant messaging

Starting point is 00:05:59 services, basic functionality. I mean, this is something we should all be outraged didn't happen i mean uh was it leaked communication i think it was leaked communication from apple where they talked about interoperability between imessage and other messaging apps and not doing it in order to increase friction for abandoning the ip. Yeah. Like to make sure that parents wouldn't buy nice shiny iPhones for themselves and cheap Android kicker phones for their kids. To make sure that they have iMessage, which has always been kind of baffling to me

Starting point is 00:06:35 why anyone gives two hoots about iMessage. Yeah. It was really cool for like a few months because you could send text messages over data. Every time we talk about it some people come out of the woodwork and tell us how stupid we are for not thinking iMessage is amazing yeah and then all the reasons that they list i'm like oh i don't care i could not possibly care less i don't know so we know and and to be clear there's no way that it's only apple don't kid yourself oh

Starting point is 00:07:04 yeah it's just an easy example because there was that leak especially now that they're all databased not like in a database based on data rather than sms okay especially now that they're all based on data there is absolutely no reason that they couldn't operate compatibly with each other. There's going to be some weird stuff, like Apple has that. Like Animojis, for example. Have certain features.

Starting point is 00:07:33 So, well, the thing is too, though, that if they are forced to be interoperable, then Apple could say, okay, look, yeah, the processing's on you, but an Animoji is just a short video. I'm not 100% sure. Yeah, that's what it is. So basically it scans your face with their 3D dot nonsense.

Starting point is 00:07:55 Oh, okay, and it's just a mask. And then, yeah, and so you can make facial expressions. It records that and then sends it. So Apple probably has an abstract, because they can assume that all of the assets are available on the other device, Apple could probably do it with very little data transmission. But if Apple were to say, okay, yeah, well, we'll process it into a video, but it's on you to download and decode that video. That's your problem. You store that on your servers. That's a way that it could be interoperable.

Starting point is 00:08:27 I also wonder to what degree they have to be interoperable. Because you could send a message, but then have certain features not necessarily work. Because I'm sure live streaming to someone from a Discord chat to an iMessage chat would probably be pretty complicated. And potentially sending an Animoji the other way efficiently might be kind of annoying or complicated or whatever as well. But you could send text messages,

Starting point is 00:08:54 which is the bulk of both of those platforms anyways. So does that count as interoperability? They're technically working together, just not full features. I think that would be fine personally blue stirp says every time someone sms's me and tells me to use whatsapp i reply via sms and tell them i don't use facebook slash meta services i mean yeah okay why don't you tell them to use telegram or signal then like the point is that you don't need i message nobody needs i message yeah uh okay also the ability to opt to use other safe app store alternatives that's huge that's exactly what epic games was going for with their lawsuit so if this goes through if apple was forced to open it up in the eu if nothing else legislators in other parts of the

Starting point is 00:09:55 world would have to take another look at apple and google for that matter at both apple and google's behavior around their app store and Play Store. Yeah, this would be sweet. Yeah. The right to uninstall preloaded apps like this is just such an obvious list of things that no consumer should oppose. I wonder. So this is this isn't just applying to phones, right? So this would apply to Windows.

Starting point is 00:10:29 Finally. That's pretty interesting because windows 7 is getting real gross it's to be honest it's almost like it's almost like the legislators might be actual people who actually use these freaking products and have the same bloody frustrations that we do why do i have to have an app that i do not want there is no good reason for it other than f you linus that's it sorry i just lost the internet for a second but i'm back um yeah the rules would require businesses to be able to access data that they generate. Now that one, I'm not a hundred percent sure of the meaning of. Yeah, me neither. And why is it just businesses? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:11:12 Because I believe there's a certain amount of like, you can request your data from platforms as a person. Was that not afforded to businesses? That I don't know. I'm not certain. Advertising transparency with tools to verify ad reach okay that's super cool because i remember the handful of times that we played around with boosted posts on facebook as far as we could tell there was just no real rhyme or reason to it sometimes you'd spend a little bit and get a lot sometimes you'd spend a lot and get a little and i just was

Starting point is 00:11:45 like um okay and it almost just feels like they're taking uh like a behavioral conditioning approach to it where you spend a little bit and it gives you a lot and kind of gets you yeah come on come on come on come on come on right because obviously it's in their best interest to optimize the amount of money that you spend on advertising and find that perfect balance where you won't stop spending money. So it's effective enough, but not too effective because, well, there's only a finite amount of inventory, finite number of eyeballs. So as someone who's been on both sides, you've essentially bought advertisement through Facebook, like you said, and I know there's been purchase advertisement outside of that, I believe.

Starting point is 00:12:24 And a big part of your business is creating content that gets ads on it. Do you think this will help? Because we've been talking for a long time about how YouTube has always been in this weird space where traditional advertisers are like, podcasts? Yeah, podcasts are great. But then YouTube has just been like weird. They don't really want to sponsor YouTube for some reason. Do you think this might help? don't really want to sponsor YouTube for some reason. Do you think this might help? Um, no, I don't think so. Because Google and YouTube in particular already do a pretty excellent job of overall transparency. But I mean, this would apply to... I shouldn't have been so specific about YouTube.

Starting point is 00:12:58 Can I clarify? It's not overall transparency. Transparen transparency with respect to advertising impressions and things like that at least on the youtube side i know that there's been a lot of i know there's been a lot of nonsense around like you know you'd see websites back in the day that had like 25 banner ads at the bottom of them and it's like way below the fold and nobody ever saw it like okay sorry carry on yeah yeah um so i shouldn't have been so specific about youtube because you guys make content on instagram and tiktok oh yeah i guess facebook and everything else do you think it would help i doubt it i doubt it i think that influencer marketing is already pretty well accepted by most brands. I mean, there are exceptions. I'd say that when you,

Starting point is 00:13:46 when you get into really like stuffy, slow moving industries, like I remember the first time we talked to a tool company or rather I should say, I remember the first time we didn't talk to a tool company because they, you know, just had absolutely internet. What's that? Oh oh my as far as i could tell they were they were still sending pos by mail like it was just ridiculous and i wouldn't be surprised you know youtube who would watch youtube lots of people right so i your successor yeah it's really hard to say. I think you just have to wait for, you know, marketing summits and people to just kind of figure it out in time. Yeah, I think it's reached a critical mass already. No more self-preferencing.

Starting point is 00:14:37 So Google can't put shopping service at the top of each search results. I don't think they do that too much these days. Well, they shouldn't do it at all. They definitely sell a lot of search results. I don't think they do that too much these days. Well, they shouldn't do it at all. They definitely sell a lot of search results, way more than I feel like they did in the past. I've started shifting to DuckDuckGo. Yeah, because the entire above the fold is just ads now. Google has become less efficient, genuinely. Like I'm not necessarily switching there for privacy reasons or whatever else, which is great. And I'm happy that they have that. But I'm switching because it's literally faster because the Google results are just, yeah,

Starting point is 00:15:08 an entire page of sponsors. It's really frustrating. Companies would also be barred from combining personal data for targeted advertising without consent. Wow. Platform owners can no longer require app developers to use certain services to be listed in app stores. So that would include payment processors. So you could use your own payment processor. Notably, Google is trialing allowing Spotify to use a third-party payment processor on the Play Store. Of course, this shouldn't be a trial. This should just be, no, you actually just have to do that.

Starting point is 00:15:42 If they have the means to use their own payment processor then like yeah sweet it needs to be it needs to be open and competitive uh and allow app developers fair access to supplementary functionalities of smartphones this is a really interesting one and obviously there's going to be something more recent but i'm reminded of when i think it was the gyro in one of the very early iphones that was locked off from developers early on do you remember that and there was a whole controversy around that i don't remember what part it was but i i do believe I remember this. I don't know. There's been a lot of Wayne Show topics.

Starting point is 00:16:27 Guys, let us know. Let us know in the float plane chat if you can think of an example of a supplementary functionality of a smartphone that developers have not had fair access to. And when you think fair access, you could think of it in terms of that it is being monetized by the first party company in a way that third parties cannot compete with ah nfc on the iphone says jacks yeah it has nfc on it but apple's like that's our nfc okay you don't get to use it yeah nfc that's a really great, yeah, really great example. So stupid. And currently relevant. Yep. And they would have to inform the European Commission of their acquisitions and mergers.

Starting point is 00:17:13 Penalties for violations. This is where things get really interesting. So good. This makes me so happy. I don't know. Okay, go for it. Could be as high as 10% of annual global revenues or even 20% for repeated infractions. Which is good because so many times when something happens with one of these companies,

Starting point is 00:17:32 they get the most minute slap on a wrist that they like genuinely don't care about. It reminds me of when like people shower some like super hyper rich person in praise for donating money to something. And then they do a calculation and they're like, oh, if they have an average income, this was like literally $8. And it's like, okay. It's like, it feels like that. It's like, oh, they got, oh my goodness. Facebook got fined for a million dollars. It's like, yeah, Facebook doesn't care.

Starting point is 00:18:01 It's like, you gotta hit them harder. They probably made a million dollars while you were talking about it like it's yeah like you got you gotta you gotta get harder than that so this is good this might mean it's actually enforced because a lot of things are just ignored because the it's it's more convenient and sometimes literally cheaper to just pay the fee and that's stupid so i'm happy it's expensive wording of legislation is yet to be finalized there was a few things in here that felt a little to just pay the fee. And that's stupid. So I'm happy it's expensive. Wording of legislation is yet to be finalized.

Starting point is 00:18:30 There was a few things in here that felt a little vague. So that probably makes sense. It will be approved by the European Union, Parliament and Council later, I guess. If passed, it would go into effect in October. Our discussion question here, and honestly, we'd love for you guys to join us in the chat and talking about this is which of those things are you most excited for honestly it's hard to decide they're all amazing i think because of my particular context uh being able to use like

Starting point is 00:18:58 outside uh payment stuff in app stores is pretty huge Because that's big for floatplane in particular Beeffire just outed themselves As Someone who doesn't get it More government control You'd think Canadians would have learned No This is a government

Starting point is 00:19:20 Body stepping in To reduce corporate control Everything here government body stepping in to reduce corporate control. Everything here is about loosening an iron fist. How is it not clear? Like this is one of those things. I just don't get it. How can you oppose being allowed to remove crap you don't want from your devices when companies are valued in the hundreds of billions they have control over something and

Starting point is 00:19:54 companies as a rule being forced to make their products interoperable how can you oppose pro-consumer legislation because they won't do it on their own that is the role of a government to make sure that things are operating as they are supposed to for the benefit of the citizens come on oh i just i yeah i i just can't other than the end platforms quote which we're still a little bit unsure about this is applying to companies worth uh with a value of over 75 billion euros yeah like yeah good this is not applying to the average person. Exactly. Exactly. Silence, brand. Skateboy208 says, I'd like my rights back to own my device inside and out. Yeah, 100%.

Starting point is 00:20:52 100%. It just makes me angry when people just buy into the propaganda like that. And honestly, I don't even necessarily blame the individuals like the right to repair the right to repair argument is so full of nonsense that it is legitimately really hard to filter out the bs yeah like you've got you've got companies talking about how it will it will it will destroy the very fabric of the universe if we

Starting point is 00:21:26 if farmers allowed to fix their own tractors yeah which they've been doing forever and are extremely good at it exactly man if you ever want to go down a rabbit hole make your way into farming youtube it's nuts the kind of tech that some of these supposed hicks or whatever, you take your stereotypical farmer as portrayed in the media. A lot of these folks are nothing like that. They are as tech savvy as anyone, smart as a whip. Like just, yeah, I love it. The kind of tech that is making food growing more

Starting point is 00:22:07 more scalable than ever is just amazing one of the things i've always found interesting in that space is the mixture of kind of old and new tech so they'll take like old school non-computerized like this is this is like how the world works style like physics tech which farmers have been using forever. And they'll mix it with like monitoring softwares and all this type of stuff. And it's just, it's so cool. I don't know, I think it's awesome.

Starting point is 00:22:33 Really smart stuff. Apparently Rossman recently uploaded a video about Maryland denying to even review a right to repair bill. And it's just sickening. Yeah, I mean, you can you can just absolutely tell where legislators are in the pocket of these corporations. And I don't understand why we are. It's especially frustrating when I see that it seems to be particularly one political group that gets really angry about not having the right to do whatever they want

Starting point is 00:23:09 sometimes but then doesn't worry about not having the right to do whatever they want in other cases and it just seems to this applies to both sides exactly yeah exactly and so it's so if you're getting offended by this, it... You're probably... Self-reflect. You're probably everyone. And it's just so frustrating because it's just... How hard is it to have some consistency? If you're... Whether you're...

Starting point is 00:23:37 I'm just trying to think of examples for both sides so I can kind of cover my butt here. You know what? It's not coming to mind. I wouldn't even do it. Yeah, it's not coming to mind easily, so I'm not of cover my butt here. You know what? It's not coming to mind. I wouldn't even do it. Yeah, it's not coming to mind easily, so I'm not going to bother. But you should be just as outraged about not having the right to repair your device

Starting point is 00:23:53 as you are about not having the right to anything else that is your personal property. That's one of the that's one of the foundational, that's one of the foundational principles of Western society. Like it's the, the, the right to own property. It's, it's like right there. It's a fun fact. We actually don't have that like at all in Canada, which is, which is interesting. There's a few, yeah, there's a few things that I think a lot of Canadians think we have because they know the American law. And then you look into Canada, it's like, oh, nope, not a thing. Yeah, I love it.

Starting point is 00:24:32 I don't love all of it. I'll if I was trying to think big picture, you know, I would, I would say, oh, yeah, it's, you know, the advertising transparency and tools to verify ad reach and companies being barred from combining personal data, like, you know, like privacy, things like that are really huge steps that would benefit benefit people as a whole. But if I'm thinking personally, benefit people as a whole. But if I'm thinking personally, man, I got to really like... So there's some comments about that. While you think about that, there's some comments about the being able to use our own payment processor thing. My ideal way to do it and actually how we mapped it out originally when we decided to make apps for Flowplane was to have Apple Pay and Google Pay be a part of the payment processor suite in the app.

Starting point is 00:25:26 Because to be completely honest, it's just extremely easy to use them. And some people would rather take the ease of use of being able to press essentially one button, just have it work. But it's going to be more expensive because they are really expensive. They are so expensive that we would literally make nothing if we use them because we we try to not take too much um so it's just it's not feasible to use them now you know what if it came down to it i would offer it as an option but it can't be the only option and we would have to scale up the price so that we still made some amount of money that isn't

Starting point is 00:26:03 allowed um there's been some saying that it is allowed and then we do it and then we get taken off the store and then we get back up and then they call us and they're like, hey, but you're allowed to do it. And I'm like, hey, but we did it and you blocked us and we end up in this infinite cycle forever. So not really, it doesn't really work, at least not for us. So I don't know, being officially allowed and have it be enforced by the EU would be cool, because then we could have both options on the store. And one is just gonna be a little bit more expensive. And we're not even going to scale it up. We're only going to scale it up by exactly the amount of difference

Starting point is 00:26:39 that it costs us for us to use that service. That's it. We're not going to try to profit more off of those things, but it does cost us more to use them. So it'll cost users more to use them. Bacon Dragon points out, this isn't even all they have. They're working at a sister bill, Digital Services Act. So watch out for that.

Starting point is 00:26:57 It's Kiblu says, does this have anything to do with anyone not living in Europe? Absolutely. Anytime you see momentum, it will build once you've got these kinds of consumer rights in europe the excuses that companies like apple and google and microsoft can come up with to continue to behave in an anti-consumer manner start to run out pretty quickly. You know, how do I, as a spokesperson for Facebook, how do I, with a straight face,

Starting point is 00:27:34 stand there and speak to an American legislator or a member of the public or a media outlet and say, oh yeah, we simply couldn't do X when it's already working across the ocean. Completely fine. Because it will. It's not worth it for them to completely pull out of a market the size of the EU, which is one of the things that can be very powerful about a block like that, to be clear. I'm not saying that it's perfect. I'm just saying that it can be a benefit. Quick clarification. Someone asked, when you talk about Apple Pay and Google Pay, you mean purchases through the App Store and Google Play Store, right?

Starting point is 00:28:12 Well, no, they shouldn't be synonymous. That's the whole point. But that is what I mean is purchases through the store. I understand you can use whatever. But yes, I'm talking about through the store. They have specific pricing for that. Also, someone pointed out like twitch has higher pricing on their app than on their website it's like yeah when i try to appeal it i am not allowed to use examples of other apps that do it the other way it is i'm specifically not allowed when when they called me i brought

Starting point is 00:28:42 it up because i'm like i have you on the phone so i can say whatever i want and i listed like a bunch of different apps that do it the right way and they're like well we'll look into that and i'm like to be clear i'm not trying to get them in trouble it's just clearly a double standard giant billion dollar company can do what they want and we can't yet again problem annoying oh man uh naki uh 1119 says you didn't mention that apple's response to uh you didn't mention apple's response that safari is an essential part of iphone functionality it sure as heck isn't man that microsoft has tried that argument so many times why do they get away with it why does anyone get away with it? No, it's an app. It's a web browser.

Starting point is 00:29:26 That's what it is. So frustrating. You can browse files. I can't pick a favorite one. I'm having a really hard time with this. You know what? I'm going to go with the right to uninstall preloaded apps.

Starting point is 00:29:37 There. That enhances my privacy because there's no reason for any of those apps to phone home. It declutters my device. I like it a lot. I like that one. I think it's a big, it's just,

Starting point is 00:29:48 that one in particular is just so black and white, cut and dried, obvious that nobody should object to it. If you object to it, I don't know what to tell you. I would probably more strongly consider moving off of Pixels if that was a thing. Yeah, for sure. Because that's been my biggest i hate that stuff and that's pushed me away from using other phones a lot uh conrad mentioned in twitch chat uh twitch subscribe is five dollars canadian on desktop and it's seven dollars and 90 cents canadian on mobile that's the type of

Starting point is 00:30:22 scale we're talking about yeah the the The app payments are rough, dudes. It's like not okay. DelvinFR says, Samsung forcing the install of OneDrive when Samsung Cloud closed was so annoying. Agreed. Agreed. Man.

Starting point is 00:30:42 Oh, it's too bad that the ensuring interoperability bit oh it's it's too bad that's only instant messaging services because how awesome would it be if apple was forced to allow you to back up your iphone to dropbox or google drive or google drive or whatever you want why do they have the right to tell me where I can put my data? They shouldn't. It doesn't make any sense. And don't tell me, oh, boo-hoo, Apple needs their cloud revenue in order to survive. No, they don't.

Starting point is 00:31:17 They're doing fine, and they would do fine without it. And if they actually had to compete, then it would be a benefit for everyone because your iCloud backup would have to be competitively priced. Stop simping for billion dollar companies. And what if I don't want, what if I don't want a cloud backup? What if I just want a backup to my NAS at home? More interoperability is good. It's good.

Starting point is 00:31:40 It's great. We should always agree with more interoperability and more open standards cool steely boy in floodplain chat says what about online retailers that charge a service fee for using a new payment method i.e adding a new card i've literally never heard of that i have never heard of that before i don't even know if that's a thing. I've never... How would that even work? Anyways. Huh, okay.

Starting point is 00:32:12 Should we move on? Yeah, yeah, let's move on. Let's talk about the Lapsus arrests. Do you want to talk us through this one? Microsoft and Okta. I've never actually tried to pronounce that out loud before. So I'm going to say Okta hacked by Lapsus. Some arrests have been made, sort of. We'll talk about that in a little bit. On Monday evening, Lapsus stated on their Telegram channel that they gained access to some of Okta's proprietary data. Okta's CEO,

Starting point is 00:32:41 Todd McKinnon, said that the data is from a hack that was from two months ago. The matter was investigated and contained by the subprocessor. And he said that it was no breach of the company's service. It was through a support engineer's laptop. They got limited access to data. Lapsus disagrees is the short-form answer. They're claiming that Okta is downplaying the severity of the breach which in this scenario could be really bad um they're saying that they were able to log

Starting point is 00:33:13 into a super user portal with the ability to reset the password um and multi-factor authentication roughly 95% of clients. Oh, that's really bad. Which is a massive oof. Cloudflare CEO Matthew Price has stated that they are aware of the compromise and will be, or sorry, that they are aware of the, yeah, compromise. And they will be resetting Okta credentials of employees who have changed passwords

Starting point is 00:33:41 in the last four months. We don't use this at any of the things, just so you know. Yeah, it's good to know. Also, on Monday, Lapsus posted a BitTorrent link to an archive reportedly containing a source code for Bing, Bing Maps, and Cortana. This group is just going nuts over the last little while. It's been crazy. Does anybody want the source code for Big Bang?

Starting point is 00:34:06 How not to create a dumpster fire. Oh my. Anyways, bleeping computer reported that there are 37 gigabytes of source code. That's a lot of code. That's a lot.

Starting point is 00:34:22 A lot of code. Microsoft says we are aware of the claims and investigating, which is very noncommittal, but that is what it is. That's what it's going to be. On Thursday, it was reported that seven suspects aged. So this was the part you were surprised about? Yeah, I was surprised. I am not at all.

Starting point is 00:34:37 Okay, fine, fine. On Thursday, it was reported that seven suspects aged 16 to 21. 16? Yeah. And like pwning Microsoft and and nvidia yeah absolutely uh they were arrested in london and later released while the investigation continues that's why i said the sort of part they have been released at this time uh the main notable character is a 16 year old from oxford the online tag being white or breach base uh who has allegedly accumulated over 300 btc

Starting point is 00:35:08 through hacking activities such as sim swapping uh they were hacked twice apparently and gambled a bunch losing most of it um they were ousted apparently by rival hackers who posted uh private photos of white with their family along with name, address, date of birth and education. Also known as white got doxxed. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:32 Lapsus has stated that they might be quiet for a while as some members are going on vacation until the end of the month. Vacation, you say? In a party van. Okay. Discussion question is who's next should we make a betting pool at this point they're just cleaving everybody who knows it could be anyone this group is crazy um they're on they're on quite a tear i i don't remember anything like it this is pretty legendary i'm not gonna i'm not

Starting point is 00:36:05 gonna lie okay don't glorify it i legendary doesn't mean good just like how great doesn't mean good it's a scale okay a scale is but we all agree that halo is best on legendary so i think there's a connotation there okay okay i don't mean by that i don't mean good but the the the it's its impact is very large they're they're hitting many things and they're hitting them very hard they're hacking many gibsons yeah okay all the gibsons all the gibsons yep unreal i am very interested in this fake profile ai detector we really needed something like this and i hope competitors crop up and i hope it becomes a big thing because like so check out this profile you know to the to the human eye this looks looks pretty perfectly legit, right? Okay, that seems like a pretty good quote.

Starting point is 00:37:07 Got lots of connections, including some mutual connections. Would I click accept if someone had multiple mutual connections and looked fairly real like this? Yeah, maybe. But this is just an AI-generated random person from averaging bits of other people, pretty much, is what we're looking at here. And these kinds of fake profiles have become a real problem. So it could be bots trying to sell you something or much worse.

Starting point is 00:37:38 So Alberto Rizzoli, co-founder and CEO of V7 Labs, reached out to us about a Chrome extension that his team developed to help combat this problem. It's not enough meat for a full LTT video, but we definitely did want to talk about it and share it with you guys. The extension can apparently quickly determine with greater than 99% certainty whether a profile picture was AI generated.

Starting point is 00:38:04 That's pretty insane. That is so generated. That's pretty insane. That is so cool. That's cool. They don't, to be fair, these accounts don't only use AI generated profile photos. No, but when it's not an AI generated profile picture, it's a lot easier to do a reverse Google image search and find out, okay, am I being catfished?

Starting point is 00:38:21 Let's say in a dating context, or is this person, does this model actually know that someone is using their profile picture on LinkedIn or whatever the case may be? And that could very easily end up being a feature of this service or a competing service in the future. Yeah. Where they go, hey, this photo is used by this many other profiles. These other profiles uploaded it first. Maybe take a glance at this. For an example of how these, you know,

Starting point is 00:38:51 these AI generated people don't necessarily look weird and uncanny valley. We're going to head to thispersondoesnotexist.com. You can generate a random human face in one click and downloaded it. All are AI generated fake person photos, man, woman, or child. Check this out. Would you know that that is not a real person?

Starting point is 00:39:15 Nope. She looks like an inmate, but other than that, looks real to me. Because they have an orange shirt. This guy looks like every tech bro programmer ever the most generic tech bro of all time yeah i've done this before and it's it's kind of stunning i mean happy graduation right when i when i first heard about this i was just like there's there's no way and i did a bunch of reverse image searches on like a ton of them because i was like they gotta just be scraping this from somewhere, but yeah,

Starting point is 00:39:45 they're generated. It's how real does she look? Yep. Pretty real. Like even got little subtle asymmetry and like the lines around the eyes and stuff like that. It's madness. Madness.

Starting point is 00:40:04 Oh, it's taking a minute this time this is actually I think a bunch of people are hitting the site oh guys okay you know what would what would she think of this okay wait we just got the same one what no

Starting point is 00:40:19 whoa whoa I guess they did them like whoa whoa I guess they did them like ahead of time they must have yeah alright there you go yeah Luke is your screen still up yeah Luke and I both have the same AI generated person

Starting point is 00:40:38 wonder if there's any differences doesn't look like it oh that's pretty funny alright cool oh Luke sorry way to be luke sorry now one problem that i foresee with the v7 fake profile ai detector is that one of the most um i don't know if effective it's very effective and pretty well understood now. One of the most well understood ways of tackling a machine learning problem is using what's called adversarial neural networks, where you will, in order to make your fake less easily detectable, you will actually create another opposing AI that is designed to detect your fake. another opposing AI that is designed to detect your fake, and that will improve the abilities of your fake. So if they're 99% effective, wouldn't a great way for me to improve my fake profile picture generator be to spit out a thousand, 10,000, 100,000 100 million profile pictures Find out what works

Starting point is 00:41:46 About the 1% of them And then eliminate Whatever isn't working about the rest Using this extension It's not like V7 or any potential Competitors would just fold at that time It becomes an arms race At that point and so far

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Starting point is 00:43:57 Yes? All right. Do I ever have the solution for you? Oh. You'll be far less wet as soon as I do this. Gosh. Oh, stop.

Starting point is 00:44:09 Okay, but for reals, if you are too wet... There's towels? Try an LTT store towel. I genuinely didn't see that coming. I was trying to beat you to it. I loaded up the store and saw it on the store.

Starting point is 00:44:24 Oh, that's nice. Yep, Only the finest cotton towels. We've got them in three different sizes. We've got the small for small towel needs. We've got the medium

Starting point is 00:44:39 for medium towel needs. You want to hold up? I think you've got the medium. I guess go back there a bit or something. I don't know. You can help model the towels. It's pretty big. I can't tell.

Starting point is 00:44:53 That might be the big one. Okay. I think this is probably the medium one then. Yeah, that's definitely the large one. Yes. So that's the medium size one. I mean, that one's also pretty big i don't know lloyd likes big towels so we went with big towels they've got kind of a short circuit actually huge yeah it's it's more of like a beach towel at that point it's got like a short circuit inspired kind of

Starting point is 00:45:20 thing here and then i think he was kind of going for like a, a GPU or something. Like that's like the slot or something. It doesn't matter. The point is the cool towel, very absorbent. And we've got a variety of colors. Hey Luke, check out this color.

Starting point is 00:45:37 Nice. And this color, that's the same color. It's the same color. Just chill. Just chill. Nice. Does this one have a different edge?

Starting point is 00:45:48 I don't know Oh it's just the really big Yeah it's the beach towel one That's like redonkulous The beach towel one has like a tougher feeling It's more of a blanket Oh no it's just the one end of it Oh alright nevermind

Starting point is 00:46:02 So Where is it here yep we've got orange and green the small one is 14.99 and the big ones are both 19.99 we've got the dimensions on the store you can see them here they're yep they're towels so 100% cotton, very absorbent. When you do your hot tub stream, you'll have a towel. Yeah, for sure. For sure, once I've got a hot tub. We did, by the way, try to do a more vibrant orange. And that's just part of the product development process around here.

Starting point is 00:46:41 We got a lot of orange dye on a lot of things so these were as vibrant as we could make them while not having them bleed ridiculous amounts of of dye that makes so these will be these will be i'd say your first wash i would wash them in your darks and maybe the first couple and then after that it should be fine so there you go guys oh man uh citrix says can we have a demo you do have a water bottle yes that's fair um uh intel on floatplane says i love the eco packaging for the cable ties but i worry about green washing will you make a commitment to be carbon neutral by a certain year you guys said a good example in terms of employee treatment and ethics would love to see you set an example of climate change so the thing about carbon neutrality is it's really difficult to measure

Starting point is 00:47:34 for us it's not about greenwashing it's more about just doing whatever is obvious that we can do. To me, just not having excess plastic in your packaging is just obvious. It doesn't actually cost a lot more. So why not something recyclable? So two things, just in case you're like me and didn't know what greenwashing was. Greenwashing is the process of conveying a false impression of providing misleading information about how a company's products are more environmentally sound. Second question, to be combative, why are those in plastic bags? That's actually a good question. Why are these in plastic bags?

Starting point is 00:48:11 Because someone, I think it was Jake, brought that up when those were first. And those might even be the first demo samples and maybe their packaging has changed. Yeah, let me find out. Because I remember having a conversation about that. changed yeah let me find out because i remember having a conversation about that um i know that our goal is by the end of this year to have no no plastic in our packaging and shipping materials hopefully you guys can are going to be able to hear nick it's coming through i can hear my headphones okay cool Hopefully you guys are going to be able to hear Nick. It's coming through. I can hear it in my headphones. Okay, cool. Oh, I'm being ignored.

Starting point is 00:48:54 Call screening. Call screening. You have reached. Mailbox number. Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was going to say its phone number or something. That was close. All right, well, I didn't manage to get in touch with Nick I know that Um

Starting point is 00:49:11 I know that there's no reason They shouldn't be shippable like this We'll have to figure that out I will find that out for you guys And I promise that the second shipment will not have plastic on it If those were the same samples we had when we first showed them off forever ago then that's how they were originally handed to us and it was said that they were still working on the packaging oh oh nick's calling uh hey nick yeah uh you're live on wan show uh we had someone ask about the plastic packaging on the scrunchies.

Starting point is 00:49:45 Yeah. Didn't we get rid of the plastic, or are these still the early samples? I believe there was miscommunication with the supplier, and it's going to be fixed on the next round that we do it. But yeah, I think those are present on the current round. Got it. Okay. All Alright. Okay, thank you. What is it going to be? What will the new solution be?

Starting point is 00:50:12 They'll probably just be loose in whatever the pack is that we send to the customer. Okay, and maybe they just throw a staple in the top of it so that the scrunchies don't fall off the board? Something like that. Send me an email and I'll make sure we follow up on it next week. Okay. Thanks, Nick.

Starting point is 00:50:31 Alright. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Mr. Schweb says I Mr. Schweb says I heard Artesian builds bought out Linus Media Group. Is that true?

Starting point is 00:50:48 No, that's definitely not true. I'm just going to email Nick real quick here. Now, if you want to send in a merch message, you have to have over 5,000 followers on all socials. What? Oh, stop. Stop. I'm kidding enough it's a joke

Starting point is 00:51:10 enough alright uh speaking of which should we do some merch messages yeah we probably should should we do one more topic for oh no we should definitely do some merch messages oh there's some curated ones sweet shadow eddie edinburgh like doesn't matter the point is finally got a 3080 excited

Starting point is 00:51:32 to try these towels can't wait for screwdriver and backpack are there any other products on the horizon you're super excited about that you can hint at slash spoil uh we're working on pants like tech pants like kind of cargo pants okay those i'm really excited about you have you have sweatpants and we're working on a uh what's something else that's really cool that i can kind of spoil we're getting kind of close enough that if i don't give any details it shouldn't give our competitors any hints but we are working on a really cool cable management project okay i can't give any more detail than that has there been movement on that oh lots oh sweet lots it's been a long time since we talked about it but that's exciting lots of movement uh most of the designs are final or near final.

Starting point is 00:52:25 So we're going to move into molding, like creating molds. And I have given rough quantity guidance to the team, anywhere from about 30,000 units all the way to 100,000 units of each thing. So this is going to be yet another million dollar bet. Big push. Let's go. Yeah. Oh man, this is less of a new product

Starting point is 00:52:56 and more of just a business update. But I had some floor time. Some floor time in my office yesterday. Nick came in to talk to me about backpack. No one gets to see my floor time, some floor time in my office yesterday. Yeah. Nick came in to talk to me about backpack. No one gets to see my floor time. I have floor time these days. Do you have floor time?

Starting point is 00:53:10 It's interesting. Yeah. The thing is, I find, and maybe it's BS, but I find sometimes I just, I can't think about something unless I take away the gravitational blood flow limitations and just, I need to lie down, you know? 100% of all effort needs to go into brain. So I had some floor time because Nick came in talking to me about our order quantities for backpack.

Starting point is 00:53:40 So far, we have 9,000 people signed up for a notification when it comes in stock. Now, I don't expect a 100% conversion on that, but I expect a pretty strong conversion. And when we initially scheduled out our PO with the supplier, we scheduled it out 10,000, then a two-month gap, another 10,000 for delivery, and then a two-month gap, and then another 10,000 for delivery. So we would have 30,000 over a span of four months. And in that four months, they would all arrive, and then presumably they would last for a little while after that. Okay. that okay based on that 9 000 notification number i'm freaking out a little bit because we only have the first shipment if all goes well oh by the way this is the final one oh i have the newest sample

Starting point is 00:54:38 i got it this week this one is almost final the only thing that's not final. No, no, we're not getting another sample though. Oh, okay. So there's one small, not final thing. And it's that in one of these little, like accordion foldy things here, we're going to put a small pocket on the inside for an air tag. Just a little flip.

Starting point is 00:55:02 Yeah, you mentioned that. To put an air tag in there. Yeah. So it's not going to be hidden, hidden, but it's also not going to be obvious. side for an air tag just a little yeah you mentioned that to put an air tag in there yeah so it's it's not going to be hidden hidden but it's also not going to be obvious it'll be kind of tucked away and there's other places you could kind of stash it as well but other than that this is final so the color on the zipper pulls is now correct the uh mechanism for the luggage strap attachment thing is now these loops instead of the metal buckle things. I like that a lot.

Starting point is 00:55:28 We've also got, what else changed? Oh, yeah. The screwdriver pocket now has a compatibility function. So if you don't want to put a screwdriver in it, you accidentally put something small in it, we realized you couldn't get your fingers down there to get it out. So we just put a zipper here so you can get into the bottom of the that's actually kind of cool yeah i like that not the stupidest thing we've ever done why not um if you threw not that screwdriver in it and the bit like fell out or something yeah being able to get it would be nice one other not final

Starting point is 00:55:58 thing this linus tech tips word mark here is gonna go okay so that and the airpods pocket are the major changes oh we deepened these pockets here for that i use for my mouse and my cable they're deeper now and then we also deepened uh these pockets that i use for my battery bank and my charger to make sure that they're compatible with larger chargers for anyone unsure of what he's talking about in regards to the notification, we put up, I believe it was last week, two pages, one for backpack, one for screwdriver, and their way that you can sign up for a direct notification, email notification, when those products are finally available for purchase. Yeah. So here's the problem. The lead time for production is 90 days. If all goes according

Starting point is 00:56:46 to plan, we get our first 10,000 units in early August. So manufacturing terms, lead time, that's before they would start making it, right? That is from the moment we say go to them putting it on a container, putting it in a container. So it's finished in that amount. Actually, no, I think 60 days is the production time. And I believe it's another like 30 days for shipping or something like that. So 90 days should be the time from press go to it arrives. And that assumes no delays at the ports, which have been weeks in some cases.

Starting point is 00:57:20 So 90 days is my best case scenario when I decide I want more bags. so 90 days is my best case scenario when i decide i want more bags my first shipment is going to hit me early august if all goes perfectly according to plan that's prime back to school time okay i only have 10 000 bags and i have 9 000 people signed up according to the original plan my next round of backpacks was going to hit me early October with another round, September, October, November, early December for holiday season, right? But that's it. That's all we'd have for the entire year. And basically, as far as I can tell, the backpack would just be completely out of stock

Starting point is 00:58:01 for the entire year. Here's the other problem. would just be completely out of stock for the entire year. Here's the other problem. If I need more of them this year, I pretty much have to decide before I get to see a single unit sell. Yeah. The other problem is that

Starting point is 00:58:19 every 10,000 units of backpacks is a seven-figure bed. Scale's scary. thousand units of backpacks is a seven figure bet anyone anyone scary yeah anyone talking about how the backpack is is unreasonably priced or whatever you don't understand how much it costs to make a really high quality bag it just costs a lot and so every single one of those chunks is a seven figure bet that we either win or we lose. Right. So I'm, yeah, I'm. So are you happy you did notifications or no? I don't know, man. We're going to ask the factory to step up those later.

Starting point is 00:59:02 Okay, here's another problem. Should we do like a straw poll to to ask people like if you signed up for the notification do you intend to buy are you just interested it's not gonna i don't think it's gonna tell us anything real it's so easy to say yeah i'm considering it right like i don't know and here's another problem i guess i guess the question would be are you committed to buy each of those 10 000 okay, takes up nine 40-foot containers, nine tractor trailers. So if we accelerate the delivery schedule and they don't move like we're expecting, where are we going to put them?

Starting point is 00:59:40 Where am I going to put 27 containers of backpacks? Where am I going to put 27 containers of backpacks? Imagine, if you will, the scale, the size of 27 shipping containers. Like literally what would you do at that point? Could you do basically anything? I don't know, Luke! Floor time. Floor time is the only answer I have here.

Starting point is 01:00:14 If I want any more backpacks to arrive this year, I have to decide before I've sold a single unit. I believe in the product. I think we're gonna do it. But I just spent over another million dollars. Oh, you did it. Decision's already made.

Starting point is 01:00:27 Well, it hasn't gone through Yvonne yet. We might not have. Oh, yeah. We have literally all of our cash deployed in backpack and screwdriver right now. So what we might have to do is we can play around with some mortgages. That's an option. Yvonne really doesn't want to do it commercial mortgages are very time consuming do you do it to apply for a commercial mortgage costs over ten thousand dollars to apply for it oh geez right commercial landscape in bc is

Starting point is 01:00:58 like horrifying yeah so we could play around with some mortgages but that would be expensive and time consuming. Or three offices rather, store two containers worth there. How many containers was it? 27? Yeah, 27. It's not two. It's 27. Okay, sorry, keep going.

Starting point is 01:01:18 People are saying let us pre-order. No, I won't. I won't. pre-order no i won't i won't i insist that because what happens if i don't deliver it in august what if you pre-order it and you're counting on it for school and you end up having to go buy another bag well then i just fucked you right and there's i don't want that global shipping right now is nuts i'm married i don't want to fuck you not that kind of relationship yeah it's just not understandable i mean maybe you'd be into it but i just i just can't how could i look my wife in the eye while we're spending time together if i knew that i fucked you

Starting point is 01:02:01 that refactory time though um if I knew that I'd f***ed you. That refactory time, though. Gotta hydrate. Get them electrolytes. Oh my goodness. Yeah, I don't know. I respect it. So, no.

Starting point is 01:02:30 Yeah, I just won't do it. I just won't do it i've made my choice i've made my choice so um yeah so one of the other ideas is that with the first round i believe we paid for all the materials up front in order to lock in the cost that means that probably our our our fourth 10 000 units is going to cost more that's okay um worst case scenario we raise the pricing marginally we've never done it before but this is a really different product for us and if it happens it happens we will the ones that are locked in we are absolutely locked in on the pricing that we've got but that's 30 000 units i think most of the land show faithful will be able to get one at that price. Um, but what we could do is we could not lock in. So we could just pay a normal deposit and then wait until we have made

Starting point is 01:03:13 that much money, hopefully on screwdrivers and we'll, we'll take screwdriver money and dump it back into backpack. And so you're talking August or backpack. Do you have a similar timeline for screwdriver? Oh, no. Screwdriver. back into backpack and so you're talking august or backpack do you have a similar timeline for screwdriver oh no screwdriver we still have one more technical challenge to resolve around the ratchet there's a um there's a tolerance thing that we've got to figure out to make sure that it always stays locked in the correct position. We believe we have it completely nailed down,

Starting point is 01:03:48 but we need another set of samples from the factory to make sure that it actually worked in the real world. And that will hopefully be final sample for that one? That should be final for that one. Cool. So if all goes according to plan for screwdriver, the good news with screwdrivers, we have a lot more of the parts already produced like we have a ton of injection molding done we've got parts that are ready to be assembled we just need to make sure the ratchet is absolutely

Starting point is 01:04:13 perfect because the thing is that a lot of people more people have criticized the pricing of the screwdriver than the backpack and i understand because 70 is a lot for a screwdriver that is premium screwdriver pricing which means that there's a lot of pressure on us to deliver something that absolutely stands up to that i've seen people not really understanding what we're making criticizing it saying oh well if this is only for building pcs that light duty work i i couldn't possibly justify spending this much it's for anything i uh i went to go because i was like yeah it's not cheap but like i know of ratchet and screwdrivers that are more expensive so i went to go google snap on ratchet and screwdriver and it auto filled orange oh really i'm assuming because we're here that's also their default color though oh is it

Starting point is 01:05:04 they do have other colors but orange is the default okay that's probably it here that's also their default color though oh is it they do have other colors but orange is the default okay that's probably it then that's funny um so yeah it's not cheap but i think uh i think i should have probably mentioned this in the video about it but that was the goal that's the mark because that was my screwdriver for many, many years. And I simply wouldn't accept anything that doesn't meet that standard. So yeah, that was what we were aiming for. We were never aiming to build a budget screwdriver. So if you want a cheap screwdriver, there's a lot of options out there, but this one is really great.

Starting point is 01:05:42 Yep. Love it. I love it. Yeah. Love it. I love it. Yeah. I'm really excited about it. Speaking of money and money problems and all that kind of stuff, we're hiring. We're hiring more people. Yeah, I know, right?

Starting point is 01:05:56 To go along with labs, there's going to be a website and that website is going to do cool stuff and look cool. And I need someone who's going to make a lot of the stuff that is going to do cool stuff and look cool. And I need someone who's going to make a lot of the stuff that is going to do cool stuff. And I need someone who's going to make a lot of the stuff that's going to like look cool and also has function. I need a front end and a back end developer, JavaScript based for the website. We're still kind of figuring out exactly how we want to do certain things. But JavaScript experience is the main thing we're looking for. I don't necessarily know the best way to get this out to you guys, but I'm going to put it in the various chats. And if we could put it under the video for

Starting point is 01:06:36 people that are watching on YouTube and stuff, that would be fantastic. There's two different Google Forms, just sign up for the Google Form and you're good. Both of these positions can be worked remote. Um, but there is a strong preference for Canadians. That is the, that is the main thing. Local would also be great. Uh, but Canadian is the, is the main goal. Flipped a mattress on Twitch says $70 is the cost of an iFixit ProTech toolkit. Absolutely.

Starting point is 01:07:06 Very different tool. Very different tool. And Shadow Guardian over on Floatplane gets it. Every cheap ratcheting screwdriver I've had has been absolute crap. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly it. And we're not setting out to build that. Okay.

Starting point is 01:07:21 Well, both the forms are closed. I'm not logged in on this computer. So, uh, yeah, i'll fix that later just look in the description under the video uh it will be fixed tonight so yeah look later uh this is a great question from dale d another merch message our intel t-series processors if i recall correctly those are the low power ones. Compatible with all motherboards or are they OEM only? Currently building a server slash NAS and I want something very low power. Okay, I guess I got that right. Passive water cooling. Okay. Building my own case as well to fit 10 hard drives. Wow, very fun sounding project. Generally speaking, yes,

Starting point is 01:08:00 they should be compatible with any motherboard that's compatible with that family but it's not a guarantee that that compatibility will be perfect i would check with the motherboard manufacturer to ensure that it will work exactly as you expect it to i have never seen it not work but i'm sure there are edge cases where it hasn't worked braden c question for luke about flow plane as someone in computer science i was wondering what technologies and languages you use for it. What don't we use? We use a lot of stuff. And like, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:08:33 It is mean stack and JavaScript based. But we do a lot of different things. So, oh my goodness. Yeah, I think that's the best best way to describe that what just happened i just tried to curate one and i think it disappeared uh oh no never mind yeah it's it's in the curated uh why don't we do one of our one of our topics Intel introduces the new ATX 3.0 and ATX 12V0 2.0 specifications. ATX 3.0 is a really interesting one. It's got the 12-volt HPWR, or high-power connector,

Starting point is 01:09:19 that Intel says will power most, if not all, I can't imagine anything it wouldn't power, future PCIe 5.0 desktop cards. This thing is going to do 600 watts of power over a single cable. And don't forget, ladies and gentlemen, that these cards can draw an additional 75 watts from the slot. We are talking a total of 675 watts for a single card. It includes side-battled signals that let the PSU tell the GPU its power limit, so not all of them will be capable of delivering 600 watts. I mean, obviously, a 650-watt power supply is not going to be able to send all of it over the PCIe power cable to a GPU.

Starting point is 01:10:07 So I believe they are... I can't remember what the different steps are, but power supplies will have different tiers of how much power they can deliver over that connector, and they will communicate that to the GPU. And there's a new power excursion limit for PCIe 5.0 cards to hopefully remedy power spikes, including updated DC voltage regulation guidelines. Intel is expecting PCIe Gen 5 devices to require even more power than the currently available ones, which says a lot in a world where NVIDIA created the RTX 3090 Ti. Has NVIDIA come out and disclosed a TDP for the 3090 Ti? I actually do not know. Oh, apparently it's 450 watts,

Starting point is 01:10:53 according to TechPowerUp here. 450 watts, ladies and gentlemen. Turn down for watts. Literally every watt. With a suggested power supply capacity of 850 watts and then what is this holy crap an msi card has supposedly leaked that has what it's oh it's fire 480 watts. Wow. That's fantastic. That's crazy. Do they have more pictures of it?

Starting point is 01:11:28 Holy bananas. Look how thick this thing is. It's a thick boy. It's three and a half slots. What am I even looking at? It's crazy. Wow. All right.

Starting point is 01:11:48 Do you still need a minute? Because I can keep stall i know you can go all right cool um also we got 12 atx 12 vo 2.0 so atx 12 vo was all about better power efficiency at idle and we actually got our hands on a compatible power supply and motherboard must have been about must have been over a year ago about a year ago i don't remember the point is we got our hands on it and it really worked huge difference so i'm kind of excited about this just from like an environmental standpoint um and let's have a look at what it does okay so it's got the i underscore psu percent feature uncertain what that is but it was previously available in mobile and server systems anthony says presumably this refers to communicating total psu utilization so that resources can be allocated to the devices that need it most but that that's just a theory. A game theory. Good reference. Love it.

Starting point is 01:12:48 Intel also claims the new spec will help small form factor PCs meet energy regulations, specifically calling out California's Tier 2 appliance rules. So this could mean that, oh, this probably refers to California's 60 kilowatt hour per year figure for desktops with an expandability score between 250 and 425. Intel claims this is the most substantial change to the ATX specs since ATX 2.0 in 2003. And for reference, that included emphasizing a shift from 3.3 and 5 volt to 12 volt, independent over current protection for each 12 volt rail, the 24 pin ATX connector

Starting point is 01:13:21 up from 20 pin that replaced the-pin auxiliary connector, SATA power connectors being mandatory, alternative sleep mode, aka modern standby V2.51, and ripple efficiency minimum load guidelines and requirements in point updates. Here's our discussion question, posed by Anthony Young. Do we really need 600 watts of capacity running over a single connector to a single card? I say yes. Yeah, why not? On the one hand, I'm very pro-efficiency,

Starting point is 01:13:52 but on the other hand, man, when I press that gas pedal, I want it to just belch black smoke, baby. You can be pro-efficient. You can be pro-efficiency and also... Obviously, I'm playing a bit of a character right now the availability of the option of power when needed yeah for sure i mean for applications where the performance matters by all means and especially seeing the way that um graphics card manufacturers are building tools that allow you to limit the power consumption and limit also high draw doesn't

Starting point is 01:14:24 mean low efficiency. Yeah, yeah. That's another thing. It could be spitting out so many frames. Yeah. 600 watts is a lot. I mean, the cooling challenges. The cooling challenges.

Starting point is 01:14:36 Oh, yeah. Well, the card was huge. Yeah. Yeah. Water cooling is almost like a necessity by that point. I feel like I would default to that. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I mean, you're not going to be putting many other cards in a computer that's got one of those in it. And like not with a really tiny RAD either.

Starting point is 01:14:55 Nope. Like it's going to have to be a pretty serious setup. We've already reached the point where triple RAD setups on Intel K-series SKUs can outperform dual RAD setups. Oh yeah, yeah. In a way that is meaningful, in a way that matters. point where triple rad setups on intel k series skews can outperform dual rad setups oh yeah in in a way that is meaningful in a way that matters i thought you meant whole system i was actually asked in floatplane chat for thoughts on the 12900ks being 800 frankly for the performance it doesn't surprise me that much but i am looking forward to intel having a more efficient gaming chip and hopefully we're going to see that with raptor lake down the road or is rocket lake coming first i can't

Starting point is 01:15:31 remember which one's first rocket i mean maybe rocket is first and then raptor lake i can never keep all the lakes code words code names also just as an update on the forms i tried to like open the applications on my phone yeah it i have no control over the form through my phone, so I'm going to have to do it when I get home. Twitch Plays Dion says, $800 CPU, WTF, bruh. But remember, Extreme Edition doesn't even exist anymore. Those used to start at like $1,000 for that whole lineup. Intel doesn't even have that anymore so if this is an extreme edition and it's a 16 core cpu that's real fast for like everything then uh

Starting point is 01:16:13 yeah it's a lot of money and most people won't buy it but most people never were buying cpus in that price range and you could almost think of it as discounted compared to what we used to pay for a 16 core cpu almost because i remember the days when even the top end extreme edition was a grand and not like two grand or whatever whatever shark jumping they had done by the end of it they did some pretty rapid hops near the end man i'll be real interested to see what pricing is like for 3090 ti will it reflect pandemic shortage pricing or will it reflect the more recent price drops that we've actually witnessed in the GPU market? Like, let's head over to, actually, you know what?

Starting point is 01:16:54 I've read about it, but I have not personally verified any of this yet. The used market drops? I saw that 3070 Ti's were going for not outlandish amounts of money in the secondary market. 3070 TI, all right, and then let's, this is always my way. This is my way. Show only sold items. Hmm, okay, 750, open box, 880, 780, 830.

Starting point is 01:17:25 So it looks like they're really in the high 700s, low 900s range. Here's one from today for 660, though. Like, that seems to be coming down to earth a little bit. Here's an EVGA FTW3 for 635. I mean, that wouldn't have happened not that long ago. Launch price of a 3070 Ti was $599, right?

Starting point is 01:17:52 So they can be had for approaching MSRP, but a lot of people are still paying far too much for them, is what it looks like right now. But it's not double MSRP like it was. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:18:07 So I'm not saying it's good. I'm saying it's improved. Oh, boy. Yeah. Hey, my take is not that the 12900KS is a bargain. My take is that you weren't going to buy it anyway. It was a segment of the is that you weren't going to buy it anyway it was it was a it was a segment of the market that was never surveyed that you were never part of and that's

Starting point is 01:18:31 okay i've never bought an extreme edition oh except until retail edge you've never bought an extreme edition except until retail edge which were deeply deeply discounted CPUs for retail salespeople. So don't take it personally when I say you're not the target market. I'm not the target market either because I think you'd have to be crazy to buy the KS when the K exists. In fact, if I was just building a rig

Starting point is 01:18:59 for someone whose money I cared about, I wouldn't go above the i7. I don't think I ever have like the yeah no uh the 12 600k is like still a 12 core it's got all eight performance cores it's overclockable if you really want that extra little bit of gaming performance like there you go that's it want that extra little bit of gaming performance like there you go that's it actually there's some really good value like even like core i5 have you ever had people that like it's like pretty good got you to build a computer ask for higher than an i7 equivalent oh yeah i mean back when i was working at ncix of course i tried to talk every extreme edition buyer out of it you know what's crazy i had someone message me with uh with a customer service request that they sent in to the pc advisor at ncix which was an email

Starting point is 01:19:53 inbox that i manned alone back in those days and they were like hey just wanted to show you this as a blast from the past a little bit of, and it had their question and my answer. And I can't figure out where they sent it to me anymore. I'm so frustrated because I thought it was so cool that they went out of their way to send that to me. And I can't figure it out. I can't find it in my inbox on the forum. I can't find it in my email. I have no idea where they sent it to me. Now that're saying this will probably just send it again yeah maybe maybe they will but it's

Starting point is 01:20:30 all that problem yeah it sucks because i thought it was really funny remember it no no not at all i mean it was just you know generic which gpu should i pick and how many hard drives like that kind of stuff yeah but it was definitely written by me when I had time because I was very thorough. And I was like, oh, wow, I did a really great job. Yeah, it sucks. I would have loved to show it to you guys because I just thought it was really funny.

Starting point is 01:21:02 What's our next topic here? Ukraine is selling Invasion invasion timeline NFTs. That's right. NFTs might actually be being used for something productive. The Ukrainian government is raising funds by selling NFTs based on the timeline of the Russian invasion. The Minister of Digital Transformation announced the collection's launch on Twitter. So we're going to go ahead and... That's not what I meant to do. We're going to go ahead

Starting point is 01:21:30 and fire that up here. Stop. You can check it out here. So there's a gallery. And these are the NFTs. and these are the nfts

Starting point is 01:21:51 very trey's interesting okay so like are they live now i don't know unreleased unreleased oh okay i guess they haven't actually been made available yet. Oh, Trey's interesting. All right. Are they all tweets? I don't know. The truth is, because NFTs are such a toxic, exploitative technology in their current implementation, I have not taken the time to figure out how to buy one and stuff like that. Oh no, yeah, that's all whatever.

Starting point is 01:22:30 I just, yeah, these are not, they're not released. I was wondering like what the theme was and it looks like maybe not all of them or I'm not sure if some of these aren't actually complete, but it looks like most of them are framed around a tweet got it um yeah the collection is titled meta history museum of war and proceeds will go to the ministry of digital transformation to support the army and civilians of ukraine the civilians absolutely need some support over there and uh mine is hot take nfts for war are okay. NFTs for self-defense are okay.

Starting point is 01:23:06 I abhor violence in any form. But when an aggressor is trying to take your stuff and like kidnap your people, you got to do something about it. It was supposed to be an airdrop of free tokens to people who had donated crypto to Ukraine, but it changed due to be an airdrop of free tokens to people who had donated crypto to ukraine but it changed due to copyright scams and complaints that not all donors would receive tokens oh man uh discussion question here thank you nicholas plouffe is this going to spark a

Starting point is 01:23:35 bunch of nft scammers to try and sell similar nfts and then not donate the proceeds to ukraine is that already happening immediately diving in to figure out is like is this account legit is this are we reporting on something that's bad etc but it seems legit anthony's take probably now i mean i told you like they're when they when they sent out information on like these these are like bitcoin ethereum whatever wallet links they're they're like keys a bunch of people when when people were asking like hey did someone have the the the address we're sending the wrong one obviously their own to try to scrape money so like it's literally already happened in an extremely related way right and i'm sure it will happen this time oh it's frustrating. Yep. In brighter news,

Starting point is 01:24:26 Riley is a character in a vidya game. Yeah. That's right, ladies and gentlemen. It's called Star Tenders. Star Tenders,

Starting point is 01:24:36 yeah. It's out for Quest 2 and PSVR now. Like bartenders. I get it. Yeah. Coming to Steam soon. He plays a character

Starting point is 01:24:44 named Riley, R.I.L.E.E. bartenders i get it yeah coming to steam soon he plays a character named riley r dot i dot l dot e dot e because they named it after him it's a sci-fi bartending game with a full narrative campaign and everything developed by foggy box games under the yogs cast umbrella and you can see slash hear his character at 42 seconds and 7 minutes and 28 seconds here so uh hold on a second oh how do i hear this i guess i can't i don't think you can well i think the stream can though is this riley's character that's awesome what was that other time stamp uh he said 42 seconds and 7 minutes and 28 seconds. Okay, here we go. Clearly Wally-based. That's amazing.

Starting point is 01:25:30 There he is. Look, it's Riley Murdoch. I don't know if you guys know this, but Riley has done a fair amount of voice acting. It's something that we're happy to support him doing here. It does cause him to miss tech length days sometimes but i think it's super cool and we always try to find a way to to accommodate that riley's just riley's just such a character voice acting so interesting to me but i absolutely

Starting point is 01:25:57 do not think i have a good voice for it i think riley absolutely does oh he's he's great the like second i loaded up the trailer and i heard his voice i was like yep it's perfect yep this is great i love it i think that's it for that though let's show i think it's psvr exclusive which is kind of what it says it's out for quest 2 oh does it coming to steam soon oh it's just the video that was linked is specifically a psvr one got it got it got it all right yes i do fembo one uh do we want to shout out the how to build a pc last guide you'll ever need oh we do is it out it is not out it'll be released next weekend if all goes according to plan and it has taken months of effort between the writing team logistics logistics shooters, and editors with a total of five hosts. Right now the current cut is an hour and 45 minutes long so it's an actual feature film

Starting point is 01:26:54 length LTT video. About a quarter of the video is part selection rationale and we actually never select any parts because the intention is that it's going to be how to build a pc the last guide you'll ever need everything you could need to know to figure it out for yourself if that kind of makes sense does this mean you guys are never going to make another guide um i don't know if we would never make another guide but we would never need to yeah no one would ever need to is the goal maybe there could be a need for a more concise guide it's a little long yeah it's a little bit on the long side but it focuses or it doesn't it goes over all the pc building concepts that you need to understand rather than just focusing on one build and describes how to build PCs

Starting point is 01:27:47 around both PGA and LGA CPUs, talks about even the big boy sockets like Threadripper Epic, LGA 3647. It's basically exactly what it sounds like. And let me tell you, it was a marathon script review session. I think it was over three hours of me and Anthony going through it. I mean, that makes sense because the script is so long.

Starting point is 01:28:09 Yeah. Yeah. So Anthony wrote it. I script reviewed it. We have five hosts. Logistics has been heavily involved in helping me shoot B-roll. I believe there are 900 B-roll shots or something stupid like that. Like, I think the video was shot in November

Starting point is 01:28:26 and we are now finally releasing it. It's going to be quite the thing. It's going to be quite the thing. We should do some more merch messages. Yeah. Michael C says, my PSP battery swelled and storaged. I replaced it,

Starting point is 01:28:40 but what can we do about long-term storage of systems with internal batteries like the PS Vita and Switch eventually? Nothing other than put them at, I think it's about 40% is optimal for lithium. Double check that. Double check that. I don't remember the exact number, but you just have to put them at a certain level, put them into storage, make sure they're kept at a fairly constant temperature. About room temperature, I think, is best. Or is it better to go colder? Can't remember. Look it up.

Starting point is 01:29:03 And that's it. And if it's stored for too long, it'll swell and you'll have to replace it and that's why right to repair matters so much yep we should have the right to use something for as long as we wish to use it in any way we wish to use it and i don't understand how anyone can argue with that yeah yeah stop simping for billionaires it's that simple jh got my tax return today will there be a way to swap the orange or black accents on the screwdriver with custom parts i.e i want a forest green accent okay so technically the top cap could be removed but it's difficult and it would be very difficult to replace it on your own and the beauty ring around the ratchet selector would also be it's called a beauty ring

Starting point is 01:29:58 we call it that because it serves no function other than aesthetics oh yeah to cover up the bare aluminum of the ratchet mechanism where it meets the handle oh i thought you meant like the selector no that's the selector ring yeah the beauty ring just sits in between it uh is it a surface that could be painted without it just like coming off on your hands all the time you'd never touch it but it would chip probably because there's moving parts well he said i don't think he's just meaning the beauty ring i think it sounds like both yeah exactly yeah uh i'd say it won't be easy um we'd like to do other colors in the future

Starting point is 01:30:37 i can't say that i think forest green would be a high priority but yeah uh i'd say it will be very challenging that's gonna be my final word on that patrick v picked up a mystery shirt for the girlfriend hey heck yeah patrick you can click to view more by the way oh whoa a whole bunch of stuff 21 ounce water bottle scrunchie thin pack very nice aqua towel i have a question about submerged mineral oil the oh the submerge sorry they're coming in so fast right now because we're reading them uh a submerged mineral oil pc won't turn on how do you recommend to test the parts should i put it on different hardware this is a this is a tough one putting it on different hardware is likely the only way to test it, but you will get mineral oil all over everything.

Starting point is 01:31:28 And as you learned, it will eventually eat stuff. So yeah, it's a fun novelty project, but it's not necessarily something that I would recommend for daily driver use. Well, I mean, he has one already. Yeah, but it's dead. So it might be time to move on. You're recommending his next project. I get it.

Starting point is 01:31:50 Okay. Yeah, yeah. Chelsea, my parents are moving to the other side of the US. Any advice on what I should do before they leave to make remote support easier? One quick thing about the mineral stuff. If you're going to try to fix it do whatever you can to keep that oil off of parts that aren't going to go back into that machine because it can take an excessively long time to actually have them not be oily yeah it's basically impossible yeah chelsea first of all shout out for you know being all cool and helping out your parents um other than

Starting point is 01:32:26 putting remote support apps on their devices ahead of time that you share the credentials for man there are having a backup remote support app is pretty cool um i like writing things down like setting them up with a password manager or like my grandparents, for example, who just cannot be trusted with anything technology. I have like a master book that not only acts as a reference for them for important things like passwords and account names. Some people need it in that form. Yep. It also acts as a reference for me when I visit. So I can remember what I changed last time. I've tried to force LastPass onto a lot of,

Starting point is 01:33:08 or other various password managers, that part's irrelevant, onto quite a few different people. And some people just don't work that way. Yep. They need books. They need a book. As much as that is not recommended.

Starting point is 01:33:18 And it should be safe. It should be locked up. But some people just, you know, they just need that. So other than that, man, I don't know what else to tell you. Having a backup remote access app, like having two different paths in can be good because every once in a while things can go wrong. What else would you do?

Starting point is 01:33:41 Yeah, I mean, remote support is the main thing. It's tough. One thing I would recommend as well is try mean, remote support is the main thing. It's tough. One thing I would recommend as well is try to get remote support that you can log into without their assistance. Yeah. Because you might have things like, oh, the monitor's not plugged in

Starting point is 01:33:54 and it's difficult for you to diagnose that remotely. Make sure you've briefed them on how to conduct a video call, whether it's via FaceTime or WhatsApp or whatever else. Yeah, because if it comes down to it and i've done this multiple times yeah they can do the face call and they just point the phone at the computer fix things that way before it's it's definitely operable um yeah i think that's about it you could do a nine night executable of most of their programs and just get them to run it every once in a while

Starting point is 01:34:26 because it'll update everything. That's not bad. Orbital AFK, looking forward to the backpack. Bit concerned about keeping my water bottle inside in case I need to use a non-LTT store bottle. Well, why would you ever use a non-LTT store bottle? Got it. Is there anything I can do to protect my technology

Starting point is 01:34:43 and school supplies? Okay, so we actually did give some thought to this. We're all about making sure our products work together, but we're also all about making sure our products just work. The water bottle sleeve, if you guys can see it in there. Can you see it? You can kind of see it. It's got an elastic on it.

Starting point is 01:35:01 So at its widest. Do you want me to hold it? Yeah, there we go. At its widest, it's the right size for our 40 ounce, but actually here, actually Luke, can I have your 21 ounce? It's also designed to accommodate, without allowing them to fall over tightly, a much skinnier water bottle. So there should be no reason for your water bottle to fall over in the bag. So there should be no reason for your water bottle to fall over in the bag. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:35:31 Oh my goodness, so many merch messages coming in. Jeffrey, what are your thoughts about Apple putting the SSD controller on the motherboard instead of on the storage unit? I think I made it really clear that it frustrates me to see companies engineering for forced deprecation of their hardware. It's not that the idea is inherently bad. Having the controller on the SoC very likely has great performance advantages to putting it on the SSD itself. advantages to putting it on the SSD itself, but Apple absolutely could have designed an SSD controller that would accommodate being upgraded with more flash. They just choose not to. And it's that kind of obstinance and arrogance that frustrates me so much about Apple's way

Starting point is 01:36:18 of doing business. They could have done what they did in a super cool way. They just decided you and that they wouldn't. So there's my thoughts on that. Yeah. Uh, Bryson says, uh, Oh, okay.

Starting point is 01:36:34 Same thing. I fix it. Did a tear down, attempted to replace the storage. It appeared not to work. Any thoughts? Yeah. I think I've said my piece on that.

Starting point is 01:36:41 I think you did this one too. Yep. Jonah L says former video editor for a tech channel that toured my studio wow that really narrows it down i don't know who you are though i i'm sorry uh what protections do you have in place for your staff would you support a unionization of stash camera crew under youtube creators is YouTube creators a thing? I think he means like, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:37:14 Interesting. I'm not super up on, is it a thing? So I've, I've made it very clear in the past. Oh, is this the, the, ah,

Starting point is 01:37:21 yeah, I've heard of this. I've made it very clear in the past that I feel that if our staff felt like they needed a union, I would consider that and Yvonne too, we would both consider it personal failures. Here in Canada, there's absolutely nothing that we'd be able to do to prevent it legally speaking. So if they decided that they wanted to approach their engagement with their employer that way, that's, that way, there's absolutely nothing that we could do to challenge them on it. It's actually sort of baffling to me that it is possible to have such blatant, like just brazen anti-organizing policies in place in our neighbors to the south i i don't get it um what protections do you have in place for your staff i mean really what does that mean yeah i don't really know i

Starting point is 01:38:15 mean we we have like a dental plan i i'm i'm not really a hundred percent sure what you're asking there's a lot of legal protections for employees just in general in Canada. My wife and I joke sometimes it's easier to get a divorce than to fire an employee. It's actually very difficult. So I don't really feel like they need additional protections, to be perfectly honest with you. I know that in the States, particularly in States where they have at-will employment, it's a totally different story. There's basically no protection whatsoever.

Starting point is 01:38:51 You can just dismiss someone for any reason at any time and they're entitled to like nothing. Yeah, that's not true. But that is not the case up here at all. Obvious Lobster says, probably like an anonymous report line for HR. so we do have a third party hr firm um we do have if anyone ever had a problem with me they could take it up with yvonne and we do take that anonymity and we do take their privacy very seriously

Starting point is 01:39:20 if they have an issue that is so big that they can't trust either of us with it, frankly, we've failed them anyway. I don't know what we could possibly do to resolve it. I think that overall, we try to do a really good job of addressing people's concerns. And I don't know what to tell you guys. Laddie says, the thing is, every bad boss in the world says you don't need a union. I'm a good boss. The reality is sometimes your interests will not align with your staff and relying on you being a good guy is them taking a risk. Being in a union doesn't change anything. If you're a good enough boss, the union never needs to be involved.

Starting point is 01:39:58 That's one way of looking at it. Yeah, but I mean, I'm sorry. I'm not going to see eye to eye with you on that. I agree that a lot of bad employers probably would say you don't need a union, but in our case... And have, and actively do. Yeah, we're constantly trying to figure out

Starting point is 01:40:18 how to make LMG a better place to work. That's not going to change. So there you go. And I think there's been constant improvements over the years um well i should hope so i mean in the early days it was no that was not great we're always trying we worked out of a garage we were a scrappy company i literally lived in his house it's okay dusty yeah you had you had both uh tenant rights and employee rights dude i i had it good i'm pretty sure we violated all of them probably yeah but he did get meals included dude good ones too uh dusty old crow have you considered making a breakaway lanyard uh also what would you recommend

Starting point is 01:41:08 as a solution for switching a console's output between a tv and a computer monitor across the room from the console okay so breakaway lanyard we've looked at it the problem is the breakaway mechanisms we found tend to be flimsy and we haven't found anything we're happy with we know that they're a requirement for certain uh environments, but we're just not there yet. As for a solution for switching a console's output, you're talking about an AV receiver, and there are also HDMI switches, some of which have remotes that could be used in order to do that. Honestly, though, with CECEC control you might not even need it because it could be that when you fire up that device it'll just automatically reroute depending on whether you can get an HDMI switch with that. I'm not too familiar with HDMI switches just because I do have an AV receiver but

Starting point is 01:41:58 that may be an option. Question for Lafreniere, Gabriel and bella vance employees of lingonmeister media what is your guys favorite and most hated retro older than 2000 tech this question is too big so i'm truncating it a little bit that's the part we'll answer favorite and most hated pre-2000 i mean honestly if i put myself back in my pre-2000 shoes i loved my super nintendo and especially when it was connected to my little portable tv that was like this size and had a vcr in the bottom man all my content one box box, loved it. Okay? That was my favorite. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to decide that I'm going to put myself in the age that I was at that time. Sure. And then also say Super Nintendo, yeah.

Starting point is 01:42:53 All right. Because at that time, we had, like, computers and stuff, but the Super Nintendo was very accessible, and couch gaming was, like, totally a thing. Oh, yeah. And, like, gaming with the family, gaming with the neighbors, et cetera. And Super Nintendo was just sweet for that. Jake Bell Events. Hit me.

Starting point is 01:43:11 N64. N64, yeah. Man, a bunch of Nintendo kids here. As for my most hated? Avalanche 1080. Oh yeah. Crappy rechargeable batteries. Rechargeable batteries in the pre-2000s sucked.

Starting point is 01:43:26 They were terrible. N64 is a good answer. The reason why I didn't say N64, because I loved it as well, is by that time I had started getting much more into computers. And I think the SNES had more of an impact on me at that time. I'm also older, so maybe that's why. Ah, ba-da-ba-bum. time i'm also older so maybe that's why uh but Joshua Carroll says hey Linus why do CPU clock speeds decrease as the core count increases good question the reason for that is that there's only

Starting point is 01:44:00 so much power that a CPU can draw through the socket and that can be dissipated to a cooler. And so if you were to just increase the frequency linearly, you're gonna increase that power draw, and if you have twice as many cores running at an increased frequency, you're going to quickly outstrip the amount of power you can deliver and the amount of heat you can dissipate. The reason that you're able to scale down clock speed just a little bit and add way more cores is that the efficiency curve as you increase the clock speed, as you increase the voltage, is not linear. So as you increase your clock speed along the x-axis, now let's go clock speed

Starting point is 01:44:44 y-axis. So as you increase your clock speed along, no, let's go x-axis. As you increase your clock speed along the x-axis now let's go clock speed y-axis so as you increase your clock speed a lot no let's go x-axis as you increase your clock speed along the x-axis your power consumption and therefore heat output goes like this right goes like that so by stepping back just a little bit you can bring your power consumption way, way down. And that's why those low core count SKUs are able to hit these crazy clock speeds and high core count SKUs tend to not. And when high core count SKUs do, it's because they're taking whatever power budget they have available,

Starting point is 01:45:23 juicing it into one core, and then running all the other ones at a much lower speed. All right. Tyler P. Thanks for the amazing products and amazing float plane from Luke. Shout out Luke. Yeah. How far out is the updated theater for float plane?

Starting point is 01:45:42 Ooh. Uh, theater for float plane uh i don't want to say the actual expected time but soon okay also would be cool to see ltt judge the customer service of float plane and the ltt store for that video oh for the video where we evaluate our sponsors oh that would be an interesting one right now i know our customer service for ltt Store is a little behind, but we're working on that. Zachary W. Would you guys consider making another Reading Me in Comments? Yeah, we would.

Starting point is 01:46:14 And have you gotten your revenge on Colton for his and Yvonne's pregnancy break on you? Not yet. But I will. I haven't forgotten. Kieran says, hey guys, big fans, what suggestions do you have for your first step into making your home a smart home? I mean, I think, yeah,

Starting point is 01:46:31 light switches are just such an obvious one. The biggest one for me though, in terms of importance is definitely cooling. Not wasting energy and having the rooms that I'm occupying being more comfortable. Big fan. My place is so small that it's honestly just not a big deal. It's like probably just as much time to just like get up and press the switch as it is to go on my phone and do it.

Starting point is 01:46:58 So it's like... Don't forget about voice control, but I don't have any Google Homes or Nest in my... Or excuse me, Google Homes, Echoes. I am not down with voice control unless it's local fair enough risk says very excited for the backpack i know linus said it should fit the steam deck but i was curious if that was in the case it comes with or without the case so it's both uh this is actually another revision on this one that i forgot to mention to you guys the can you hold the bottom of it, please?

Starting point is 01:47:26 Thank you. The bottom of this pouch now has a soft microfiber-y, suede-y material at the bottom. So if you were to slide a Steam Deck in bareback, then it would sit with the screen against this, which I think is pretty cool. And then if you wanted to put it in with the case, you could just shove it in the bag of holding. Jeremy B says, I noticed the intro has been missing from some recent videos. I'm guessing this is intentional. It is. Do you have a rationale? Yeah, it's that the first minute of a video is where you're most likely to have people watching. And if we're giving up eight precious seconds of people's attention for a canned animation.

Starting point is 01:48:15 Is this because of my notes? Which notes? I guess not. All right. Oh. I sent notes months ago talking about how there's a dip during the intro oh we know that it's from skipping yeah yeah but like that's not good for no reasons yeah yeah no no yes yes um so it's been a while coming but we are my intention is to phase out the intro yes

Starting point is 01:48:39 it like kind of sucks because it's been a staple for so long but like you gotta that that's a point in time in the video right now that is extremely important as far as youtube is concerned for retention and not skipping forward and all this other type of stuff so you you gotta play for those seconds has to happen john b first time watching live saw your review of the qd oled alienware monitor wanted to know your thoughts on text clarity issues and color fringing issues that users on ultra wide Reddit have reported. Now, I focused on it as a gaming monitor. I did not actually spend a ton of time on it looking at text. So I've talked to Plouffe about that already. And we are hoping to take another look at it together. I will say that I don't think Samsung's adversarial approach to people's concerns so far is very constructive, but I also do think

Starting point is 01:49:37 that there can be limitations to certain technologies that are worth the payoff. It's a really cool display tech. I would think of it kind of like Aperture Grill CRTs for a super dated reference. Basically, you could see these two lines that were caused by wires that were running kind of a quarter of the way down and a quarter of the way up the screen. And you could easily make them out

Starting point is 01:50:08 if you knew what you were looking for, even though an average user probably wouldn't notice it. But they gave you so much better image geometry that in my personal opinion, they were worth the trade-off. And in the case of QD OLED, man, they look so good that I'd have a hard time imagining it not being worth it but i will have to take a closer look at it eric r hey linus now that you have

Starting point is 01:50:34 solar on your house what advice would you give to your tech savvy listeners on what to say or where to direct people who ask about solar since we are the tech savvy people, where do you start? It's tough, because it's one of those industries where there's just not a lot of consumer-facing information. And it's moving pretty quick. And installers tend to have kickbacks from particular panel producers that they are not always going to be forthright about. So you can't necessarily count on installers

Starting point is 01:51:02 to give you great information. I shouted out a distributor here in Canada who kind of carried everything for giving me the goods on, you know, what they were seeing installers preferring and what they were seeing low RMA rates on and stuff like that. But other than that, I don't even know. I don't even know what to tell you. I'm sorry. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:51:24 I mean, I ended up with those dual sun ones just because i was super into them being a hybrid panel for both water heating and solar power generation i don't even know if they're any good yeah yeah it's tough joshua h what's your opinion as a parent when it comes to what technology and devices your kids are allowed to use? What kind of parental controls do you use? I do use parental controls extensively, Family Link on Android, as well as passwords on our computers. In terms of what they're allowed to use, my son has unlimited access to his Kindle. Our oldest daughter,

Starting point is 01:52:06 has been offered a phone now because she has demonstrated her trustworthiness. That's one of our requirements, is that our kids have to go for an extensive period of time without lying to mom and dad. And lying includes withholding information when they know that it's pertinent. And she has passed that test now.

Starting point is 01:52:25 And we offered her one, but she said she doesn't want one just yet. But we limit phone use to, I believe it's 45 minutes a day of anything other than the Kindle app. And they have to tell us what they're watching on YouTube. They're allowed to watch educational YouTube

Starting point is 01:52:37 without asking, but they need to ask us if they want to watch like Minecraft Let's Plays or whatever. So that's kind of where I'm at on that. Never really thought about the idea of the Kindle, but it makes sense. Yeah, you can read whatever you want. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 01:52:53 Yeah. Austin says, absolutely loving the house content. Hey, heck yeah. Cameron. So if we aren't going to get Linus Linux tips, could we at least get some more in-depth videos on some of the software you guys set up during the house videos and server room videos? Ah, man. See, I think that's a separate channel.

Starting point is 01:53:10 Like it kind of has to be. Even then, is that enough? I don't know if it's enough content for another channel. I just don't think we can justify it. Yeah. And yes, I'm an extremely strict parent, Mighty Mouse. But I have no regrets. My kids are amazing.

Starting point is 01:53:28 They're wonderful. So I wouldn't do a single thing differently. Also, the internet's kind of a crazy thing. Yeah, you absolutely have to be able to trust that your kids are going to tell you the truth if you're going to let them out there it's its effect on adults is like intense and overpowering for a lot of people the the doom scrolling for days thing is like actually a real thing absolutely like it's it's my kids are going outside ladies and gentlemen that's like that's the way it is no you find something else to do uh also my

Starting point is 01:54:06 son we've started trading uh piano practice time for gaming time that's pretty cool and uh yeah that's an interesting like yeah he is actually he's getting really good at both yeah i haven't seen the piano i'm just i'm commenting on the on the gaming. But that's cool because that's like kind of gamified. Yeah. I like that. Yeah, I'm into it. I feel like as a kid that feels less restrictive, even though it's a restriction, if that makes sense.

Starting point is 01:54:34 Mm-hmm. Yeah. Nova Nightmare asks, if you had to pick one, price not being a factor, would you pick the new Aya Neo Next or the Steam Deck? Well, the Steam Deck? Well, the Steam Deck's got the touchpads. So if you want to play games that require a touchpad,

Starting point is 01:54:53 like you want to play RTS games on mobile, there's no choice. I'm going to throw in some potential spice here. Can you get an Aya Neo Next? I believe it's an Indiegogo right now. Is it Indiegogo? Yeah, it's an Indiegogo right now. Is it Indiegogo? Yeah, it's an Indiegogo. I don't know when they're planning to deliver.

Starting point is 01:55:13 I mean, counterpoint, can you get a Steam Deck right now? That was my point. Oh, oh, oh, okay, okay. No, no, neither of them is shipping today. So your answer might end up being whatever one you can if it's something you want that bad um because like i still don't have my email and i think i ordered pretty early yeah um i still did i say email i don't know if i said order email but yeah yeah i like i am super not that jazzed on the limited compatibility of the steam deck i have not been able to participate in some gaming experiences that i would have liked to in the last month and like okay yeah maybe we don't play the most normal games a lot of the time but like who does literally

Starting point is 01:55:55 almost nothing that we play works on the steam deck because we mostly play halo ano and uh supreme commander it's like darn it it. Supreme Commander does work. I actually had a community member from FAF volunteer to help me set it up on the Steam Deck, and I was just like, I'll just play FAF later. That's cool, though. That's cool.

Starting point is 01:56:18 That community's awesome. What am I supposed to be talking about right now? Hey, Linus. Oh, man. The game compatibility. what am I supposed to be talking about right now? Hey Linus. Oh yeah. I, I, oh man, the game compatibility performance is more similar than you'd think. What I really want is an I and Neo next,

Starting point is 01:56:34 next. I want something with proper RDNA two graphics and Zen three. But I can't wait. Yeah. Which one am I going to use when i'm done my steam deck challenge might be the idea but it costs like twice as much so it's tough more than twice as much but the steam deck is so cool and the screen goes dimmer that's a big one because i play at night a lot i think if i was an average consumer and i was buying one, it would probably be Steam Deck just purely because of price. Because the Ayanio pushes into a price range that's pretty intense. You get a decent gaming laptop.

Starting point is 01:57:12 Yeah. But that's obviously not comparable. It's handheld. I like the smaller profile of the Ayanio Next. It depends on your use case. I can absolutely see people doing it. I think it's just, it's very specific. I'm at 15 minutes order time.

Starting point is 01:57:35 I'm hoping for an email around April 1st. True Scott asks, did you see the Joe Rogan video about the metaverse and the next generation living their life completely in there, therefore allowing China to take over the world in 30 years because of the strict internet usage rules for kids by the government what's your opinion on that i think i think i think you should not take everything that was just typed at exact value and i think we should just move on.

Starting point is 01:58:09 That sounds like a conversation you need to be there for. Should we take a break from merch message questions and you should, should you show me the thing? I tried I tried I tried okay I gave it a shot I tried to keep us on the rails It didn't work You just caused him physical pain

Starting point is 01:58:48 text this is the power of the internet this is what I was talking about no I'm recovering oh my god okay are you okay my abs hurt oh man okay I'm fine I'm fine Are you okay? My absurdness. Oh, man.

Starting point is 01:59:05 Okay. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'll want to be talking about now. I'm not going to respond to that. Either the remaining merch messages or the thing that you have to show me. The thing I was going to show you. So I got a new wallet.

Starting point is 01:59:21 Yeah. Okay. Check it out. What do you think? Wow. I didn't think it was. Wow. It feels pretty wallet. Yeah. Okay. Check it out. What do you think? Wow. I didn't think it was. Wow. It feels pretty nice.

Starting point is 01:59:29 It's leather. Real leather. I'm not going to show that, I guess. Well, no, it's behind your laptop. You're good. You're good. Ah. It's nice.

Starting point is 01:59:38 Yeah. Yeah. Handmade. If I didn't know who made it, I would not assume that it was was necessary there's like only one part that feels a little handmade and it's that one card slot yeah uh my my wife made me a wallet which i think is super cool so it's got like a spot for cards and money it's got another more different spot for my id with a little window in it and i'm i'm super jazzed which is great because my old wallet was falling apart. So I got to the point where I've never cared about, you know, appearances like that.

Starting point is 02:00:13 You know, like I wouldn't make sure that people see my Louis Vuitton wallet, wallet, while I pull out my credit card. You know, like I never really cared about that kind of personal image kind of stuff. I don't get satisfaction from people knowing that I paid a lot for this thing. But it was at the point where it was like kind of embarrassing because it like had just shreds of leather leather hanging off of it like i'd gotten to the point where i kind of tried to like take my card out sort of under the counter

Starting point is 02:00:48 but i'm uh why is he french louis vuitton okay don't you think this is a french name sorry i'm sure there's enough french blood in me for me to do that accent uh adam b says what is the future for floatplane trying to become more like youtube no if not what are you going for well one of our one of our employees is trying to get his uh his uh certification to be able to fly a floatplane uh yeah okay that's super cool so so uh i think he's watching too so that's that's the current you know developmental path we're gonna move into actual flow planes um no i i uh we're we're trying to make the platform better and we're making more stuff should i talk about the thing

Starting point is 02:01:41 have i talked about the things before i think i have yeah just talk about the thing? Have I talked about the thing before? I think I have. Yeah, just talk about everything. So we're working on something that the internal name is Flowplane as a Service. FAS. FAS. We want to go FAS. We'll probably come up with a cooler name than that because as a service is a little not trendy right now. But the idea is we've had a lot of people reach out to us and be like hey like i would like to do the same thing as you sort of like i would like to have my own platform i don't necessarily want to join yours i don't necessarily want to join any i would just like to have my own yeah um so we've thought

Starting point is 02:02:15 like okay that's pretty fair because that's why we made our own too um so we're trying to take the tools and the the the i guess just the powerful tools that we have made for Floatplane. They're like super baller, actually, especially compared to what we know a lot of other people are using. Yeah. So we're trying to make it so that other people can have their own sites so they don't have to be on Floatplane. And then we would just offer both. Creators could just join Floatplane or they can make their own thing that you guys can join and it's their own stuff but we manage the back end

Starting point is 02:02:48 we make sure it all runs nice and good. And if creators want to head over to Floatplane because Vimeo screwed them over or whatever we're super down. Come on over but the thing that people have to understand is that Floatplane's service is priced like it costs to deliver

Starting point is 02:03:04 video because if you don't price it like it costs to deliver video then people get a big surprise when all of a sudden they their you know a couple hundred dollar bill turns into thousands of dollars like what happened with some vimeo users because serving video online is super freaking expensive it's just that simple yeah someone asked any comments about the Vimeo drama. I've been tweeted about this too. And my answer every time is just, yeah, it's expensive. Yeah. If watching a stream or a video is not expensive, then you're either paying for it in some other way or you are the product. It's one of those things because it is just not a cheap thing to do.

Starting point is 02:03:43 And it's been delivered cheaply to a lot of people for a long time by a very small amount of extremely large companies that are making money in other ways. And that's it. Like by selling your data, which we don't do. Travis C says, Linus, do you see LTT creating any new YouTube channels?

Starting point is 02:03:59 I should certainly hope so if we don't manage to create any more channels ever than we suck. Parth P says, hey, great to catch the show the show live by the way my family owns a grocery store and we're looking around to upgrade our cameras any recommendations for a small business man um that's tough you know if i was a small business i'd probably just go wise cameras they're so cheap and they like work you know if i was baller i'd go ubiquity because cheap and they like work you know if i was baller i'd go ubiquity because man is their stuff ever nice their camera stuff but wise cams they get it's that 80 20 right like they get you a lot of

Starting point is 02:04:33 the way there hey linus and luke what software are you going to use for record playback of your home security cameras the software that came with my poe cameras is crap ubiquity oh so good so good it has problems but it's mostly so good thanks auto g for the merch message last one paul h says hey given that the labs lead is starting in the next month ish is there a ballpark eta for the first video to come out of lmd labs that you feel comfortable revealing no not yet i don't want to promise anything and i've told the folks that are working on it so far like your guys's job for the next six months is to think yeah and establish build processes and spend money yeah don't waste money but spend it that's pretty much the mission that i've set for them yeah all right i think that's pretty much it for the WAN show little shout out reminder that I will fix those forms

Starting point is 02:05:26 let's try to get them in the description I will fix them right when I get home so yeah please apply we need peeps thank you guys so much for tuning into the WAN show we will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel

Starting point is 02:05:42 bye time same bad channel bye

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