The WAN Show - The Bank of Silicon Valley Just Collapsed - WAN Show March 10, 2023

Episode Date: March 13, 2023

Save money on your phone plan today at https://www.mintmobile.com/wanshow Try Notion AI for free at https://www.Notion.com/WAN Timestamps (Courtesy of NoKi1119) Note: Timing may be off due to sponsor change: 0:00 Chapters 1:10 Intro 1:45 Topic #1 - America's Silicon Valley Bank collapses 2:37 Bank runs, insured funds, business standpoint 5:19 Linus uses LMG for a frozen deposits example ft. Sad Dan 11:09 Linus on land banking & forms of investments 16:16 Linus calls NAS company, Creator's Warehouse & LMG funds 16:55 Linus on operations money ft. Dan looking for a job 25:40 Luke on the impact of SVB's fall, Linus on SVB selling shares 28:01 Topic #2 - LTT Pouch off the site due to trademark infringement 29:47 New name ideas, FP Poll - what to name this? 33:28 Dell mails Linus, prepared for LTT's Secret Shopper 33:54 Topic #3 - g0at attacked for not wiping his drive 39:13 Linus on BlackLotus, Luke recommends g0at's videos 42:45 Chinese cheaters, old article of operation chicken drumstick 45:52 Pouch is not a fanny pack, future "WANny pack" 46:18 FP poll - runner ups & two more names, "LTT Bag" 47:24 Topic #4 - Ring provides police invasive footage 50:20 Linus on not working with Ring, Luke's solutions 51:36 FP Poll - three names, Linus on WAN Show's time 53:52 Sponsors 59:12 Last FP Poll 59:48 Merch Messages #1 1:01:35 Is there a place in Tech YouTube to be popular? 1:03:51 FP poll winner, new name is the Tech Sack 1:04:26 Is there a place in Tech YouTube to be popular? 1:09:22 #NotMySack & #StopTheSack, back on LTTStore 1:11:26 Linus shouting out FloatPlane employees, Meet The Teams 1:14:45 Favorite fault tolerant server equipment? ft. Canada & South Park "bridges" 1:24:18 Topic #5 - YouTube relaxes advertiser-friendly guidelines 1:25:03 New examples, Linus on old shows & "hard R word" 1:28:53 Luke corrects Linus on n-word V.S. r-word 1:31:18 Merch Messages #2 1:33:02 Disappointing consumer or enterprise products? 1:42:40 LTTStore's Mod Right Mod-Mat collab 1:48:18 LTTStore's new 3D Down Jacket 1:57:26 Topic #6 - Secret Shopper update, Dell reaches out 2:01:11 Topic #7 - Fairphone 2 receives last security update 2:03:16 Topic #8 - Asetek's Q4 2022 reports & struggles 2:09:26 Linus discusses Final Fantasy Tactics releases 2:10:46 Topic #9 - AMD drivers brick computers 2:11:22 Topic #10 - LTX 2023 sponsors update 2:13:30 LTT DE Deskpads #1 - Sarah's Dino 2:14:36 LTT DE Deskpads #2 - Lloyd's Vancouver Skyline 2:15:48 LTT DE Deskpads #3 - Maria's Tech-based 2:17:01 Merch Messages #2 2:17:06 Grants from the government for LMG or FP? 2:19:55 LTT DE deskpads will be LTX-only 2:22:44 How do you balance delegating & perfectionism? 2:25:10 What would Luke play now instead of TARKOV? 2:28:24 Luke returns to LMG as CTO 2:31:54 Weirdest place you've seen LTTStore purchases from? 2:33:20 What cool bed tech you'd like to see? 2:39:10 Home security recommendation? 2:41:18 What food would you ship on LTTStore? 2:53:55 What tech do you believe has no right to go bad? 2:56:59 Ever considered getting into fragrances? 2:58:52 How do you deal with crazy people? 3:00:15 Can LTTStore sell things that are already waste? 3:34:39 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the WAN show. We have got a great show for you guys this week. Breaking news! Breaking news! Like, what is this, like two hours ago? Three hours ago or something like that? Three or four, yeah. Yeah! SVB, the Silicon Valley Bank, goes under? What bank? Just gone? In Silicon Valley? This is wild. Less wild is that YouTube has apparently relaxed their stupid f***ing profanity policy. I'm still bleeping it anyway. Not 100%. Some people

complained about that WAN show. What else we got going on today? Ring gives police invasive user footage including sometimes of inside their house. Cool. Even without a warrant. Just if they feel like they want it. Good job, Ring. Yeah.

Oh, what else? Really, Luke? Just because I get to go first and pick all the best topics means that you sit here and have to think about it. I don't see anything else I want to talk about. Think about it for this one. Sounds good. Trust me, there will be stuff.

Seriously? What would you pick? There's something in here that was in here last week, but we've also talked about it like three times, so I don't know. Alright, intro! Are these all girls? really okay tarkov why not that for the fourth topic luke's got some tarkov updates it's spicy yeah first we need to get into the big news this week. Sources for this, I don't know, everywhere. CTV, the BBC, Blockworks, doesn't matter. The point is, earlier today, the 16th largest bank in America, which, if you were a Canadian, doesn't sound like that big of a deal.

Because here in Canada, we only have like four banks. We're also smaller than California in regards to population. Yeah, so it wouldn't be a huge because here in canada we only have like four banks we're also smaller than california in regards to population yeah so it wouldn't be it wouldn't be a huge deal here in america 16th largest bank uh what okay so they suffered a good old-fashioned 1930s style bank run and the tense of its wikipedia page went from is to was there was some indication earlier this week that the bank might not have sufficient liquid assets uh the stock price of its parent company dropped suddenly venture capitalists advised their clients to withdraw funds and those clients rushed to get out what they could until regulators stepped in this is the largest american bank collapse since the 2008 financial crisis now here's the thing under

normal circumstances we wouldn't really be reporting on a bank failure in the U.S. because it's kind of a big deal, but it's not really tech. Yeah. Except that SVB stands for Silicon Valley Bank. So let's talk about that. The liquidity issues that they suffered were heavily exacerbated by inflation, interest hikes, and the overall weakness of, here it comes, the tech markets, as SVB specialized in lending to tech startups, and most depositors were tech workers and VC-backed companies. Much of the bank's deposits, and this is wild, were uninsured.

Now, this is not in our notes, so you guys will have to forgive me if I've got the exact details wrong, but my understanding is that deposits were insured up to a maximum of $250,000. I believe so. Now, this is something that is, you know, from a, I would say from an individual standpoint, very much a first world problem. But most banks that i'm aware of do in fact have a limit to how much your balance can be before it just goes beyond what their insurance will cover and in the event of a bank run or insolvency or other kind of hey poof the money's gone event it is simply not covered it is irrecoverable so there's so the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation or FDIC gov says that

standard deposit insurance amount is 250 K per depositor per insured bank for each account ownership category so 250 K is insured by government. So. But companies, on company scale. Yes. 250k. I was getting to that. Is smaller. From an individual standpoint, right? Lots.

Oh, I'm sorry. Your $251,000 is not fully covered in your bank account? Boo hoo hoo. Cry me a river. You still have 250k. You're a person, whatever. That's tons of money that's a lot of money to have in the bank but let me tell you something from a business standpoint look around you okay right do the math how many people work here i think we're over a hundred now um close to

it does anyone know what like minimum wage is here? We don't pay minimum wage. I know, but I'm doing like a... In BC? I think it's like 14. Let me look it up. Okay. So we've got 100 people. $15.65 per hour.

So let's assume that we paid minimum wage, which we don't. So that would be $1,565 per hour. What does that work out to in a work week? Let's say everyone was working 40 hours. We have full-time employees. We're just doing this math live here. That would be $62,600 per work week, which is only half of a pay period, so times two.

Assuming, assuming that we paid minimum wage which again we do not that would be 125 000 per pay period not including all other expenses not including all other expenses not including the fact that we know in fact do not pay anyone here minimum wage not including the fact that you should have more than one freaking pay period in your bank account at a time yeah so in the event that our company say were to experience an event like this where right now anyone with their deposits in svb if they didn't get them out already and even if they did get them out if they sent if they if they withdrew money via a wire like they sent out a wire there is no guarantee now that the bank has my understanding is it's simply been seized by the federal government or something like that i don't know

uh yeah so sorry for any little details here but effectively its assets are under control by a third party now. If that money simply does not come out, it's gone. Now, there is... So if that were to happen here, we would just be out whatever was in that float account. At least temporarily when you have bills to pay

and salaries to fulfill. Exactly. Because if you factor in that float account and at least temporarily when you have bills to pay and salaries to fulfill exactly because if you factor in that this is a bank that specializes in startups where they are theoretically putting their vc raised money that they are running off of this is these are highly operational funds yeah this is this is wild. This could be even a profitable company. Okay? We are a profitable company. But if you took our operating capital and just, even if you didn't eliminate it, if you froze it indefinitely, how do we run? Yeah.

How do I pay for whatever services you're logged in? Floatplane. How do I, how do I pay the bill? How do I pay you? How do I, how do I pay that guy? Right.

Look how sad he would be if he didn't get any money. This is, this is wild. And you know what? It's one of those things where it's something that Yvonne and I have actually talked about. In Canada, the banking industry is fairly well regulated, pretty solid. During 2008, we kind of survived, stuff like that. We were pretty steady up here.

But I can tell you guys from my own research that the limit, so we used to bank with a credit union specifically because there was no, um, government imposed limit on how much they could insure. That was, that was the reason we did it. sitting in the bank as our operating funds or to cover upcoming deposits or expenses for merch or whatever else it is. We could have that sitting there knowing that in the event that something went catastrophically wrong, it would be covered by insurance and we would get it back. But that actually changed, I think, about a year ago. It was in the last year or two. I know that for sure. And so I got to be honest with you you um we have we are

pretty much in the same situation oh just but but not with with not if this happened to the bank that you're with and so reading about this as a business owner is absolutely terrifying it's petrifying yeah i i would i would basically roll into the office and just like i just sit there what what can i do how do you run a business with no capital and now it is possible that uh that a sale of svb and its and its assets and its liabilities, presumably, could be negotiated. But I pretty much promise you that whatever cash it owes, if you get anything back from it, it's going to be less than 100%. Like, they're going to negotiate some reduced payout. And you don't know which part of the queue you're going to be in,

in regards to people that get their money first so like yeah yeah that well that was a whole thing that happened we saw with the ncix bankruptcy where depending on where you were in the chain of creditors yeah even if they extracted any money from the from the shareholders who turned tail and ran away, it was never going to make it to you. And the lawyers or whatever Holdco is currently dealing with the sale and stuff, they're going to want their cut too. Yeah, they get paid no matter what, which is really interesting to me. Yeah, so there's some funky stuff. It's going to be interesting. Yeah, Top Gear 1224 says, 100% honest, this is why companies use stocks as bank accounts.

Not just stocks. So I was recently made aware of something called a land bank. A land bank, yeah. Yeah. So here in Vancouver, where real estate generally does one thing, it goes like this, though not necessarily the case lately, as some of the folks here who have been on the market can attest to and also i can attest to as someone who bought at the peak uh the lab i get reports from our

commercial realtor every once in a while prices are going down it's exciting i'm sitting here going yeah it doesn't help my mortgage bro anyway um right uh the concept of a land bank is that you just buy land because cash. Like, okay. This is something that Yvonne and I were talking about recently. The concept of like investments being risky, right? Investments carry an inherent risk. So buying something like the lab, an investment an investment that has gone down, right. An investment carries risk. And it's like, yes, that's true.

But literally every asset class can be seen as an investment on some level. Like here, here's something interesting. Did you know that the Canadian dollar has lost five cents to the US dollar in the last three weeks. I know that because I saw it on your screen. Right. So the mere act of having cash in the bank not invested is an investment. A good one? Well, with inflation being what it is, I would say no. But it is certainly an investment.

So this is where the concept of a land bank was introduced to me, where it was kind of like, well, here's the thing. You actually can't trust cash. Gold kind of sucks these days. What, crypto? I mean, sure, if you like riding the roller coaster, baby. So that's why a lot of wealthy people just put their assets into land. Because, and this is the way the person explaining it to me explained it. They were like, well, here's the thing about land.

They're not making more of it. I mean, Dubai would have something to say about that, I suppose. But in general. Most places are. In general, they're not making more of it right and so i um uh this the coming back to sort of the reason for having this conversation we're already looking around the lab going holy crap we're gonna run out of space in this place and i had wanted to explore the idea of i don't know renting the unit next door or in the long term you know because my understanding

is there's a long-term tenant there now. So I'm kind of sitting here going, okay, maybe if we could scrape together a down payment between now and when that lease expires, maybe we could acquire that. And I was informed that the owner is using it as a land bank and is therefore utterly uninterested in selling it because they aren't looking to profit.

They're looking for a safe haven for their money yeah and based on this svb news that's not crazy yeah that's just that's just sound financial planning apparently when you just like have 10 million dollars that you don't want to just disappear because there was a bank run um anywho sorry, I went off on a bit of a tangent there, but this is mind-blowing. This also is going to be quite the developing story over the last little while. I just Googled companies with cash stuck in SVB because we've had a bunch of people mention Roku, right? So we haven't said it on this part of the show yet, but Roku has 26% of its cash stuck in SVB, which as far as my understanding goes right now, is $487 million.

I don't know what's more surprising, the fact that they have $487 million stuck in SVB or the fact that they have almost $2 billion in cash. Roku, really? Yeah, crazy. Go figure. Roku be balling. They're doing good, apparently.

In cash. Yeah. Dang. How many people does even work figure Roku be ballin they're doing good in cash. Yeah, dang How many people does even work at Roku? Oh, we'll see moving forward Yeah, I don't want to joke with that but Googling this the top stories thing on Google. There's a post from two hours ago There's a post from one hour ago, and there's a post from two hours ago there's a post from one hour ago and there's a post from 10 minutes ago this is very very much a currently developing story there is some cool stuff there's some white knights already showing up even though it's been like literally hours um like vercell linear some other companies i know this because i'm just creeping fio t3's twitter um but these companies are stepping up and saying like if you are a customer of ours and you're impacted by this

like reach out we might be able to help you i don't know who you're calling um there's there's even like some of them are talking about okay we can we can suspend like we are delay payments while you figure out your accounting like some companies are being very cool about it. But yeah, this is going to be quite yikes for a while. I don't know what I want to get into. Hey, your money is not in SVB, is it? Oh, I think I know who this is. SVB?

Silicon Valley Bank? It's Linus. SVB? Silicon Valley Bank? It's Linus. No, no, I just mean like you guys don't keep your money there, right? Silicon Valley Bank? Okay, just checking. You're with Chase. Cool. Oh yeah, SVB experienced a bank run. They're like gone, essentially. I guess you haven't been on the internet in the last few hours. Anyway, I'm live on WAN show.

I got to go. All right, later. Okay, bye. Cool. Is this that company you invested in? This is the NAS software company that I literally wrote a check to like a month ago. What about framework? I don't know. And if I did know, I wouldn't be able to say anything.

But this is the one that I was most worried about because these guys are very much in like stealth mode right now. Yeah. They have absolutely, like Framework has cash flow. They're selling laptops. That helps a lot. You can refill the coffers. That helps a lot. See, okay.

Actually, you know what? It occurs to me that Linus media group would probably be okay because we could borrow from creator warehouse where we have consistent cash coming in because linus media group i mean think about it many of our customers are probably impacted yep so oh crap yeah that's not good oh i gotta talk to accounting. Oh, balls. Anyway, the point is, creator warehouse... Sorry, that was quite the thing to witness. Does any other company need a Wancho producer?

I mean, producer? Dan, how dare you apply for another job live on this show? He's not very professional. I'm not giving him a good reference. Yeah, just make sure you send me the link to your job posting so that I can find out how to apply. Holy shit.

That's a good reference, by the way. Anywho, yeah yeah we would be okay because we have money coming in regularly yeah not in in not in like large yeah not in large chunks from from like corporate partners but it piecemeal from individual customers, that would mean that Creator Warehouse could lend us money to operate and we would probably stay, we'd probably be fine. So that was my point, was that if you have regular income,

probably you can ride this out a lot more easily. But if like this NAS software that we, I mean, I have no idea if I'm gonna get anything back from this they just they're creating a product that i really want to exist it's like a simpler user-friendly and yet still powerful nas solution for diy and enthusiasts um and they are completely in like like noses pressed against the screens or getting it going mode. Clearly. Yeah, clearly. Yeah.

Because it's like, I don't know, seven o'clock where he is right now. And he hasn't received like the biggest tech news in startups in a long time. Yeah. So he's clearly focused. I have a question for you. That's good, that's good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a question for you. Oh! As, the amount of pain. If you are, so you've invested in in that company you've invested in framework yes i wouldn't really call you an investor because you invest right now in things that you just like want to exist i would describe myself as like an activist investor yeah yeah um i i went in in both cases oh how do i say this without it coming across the wrong way not expecting a

return yeah um i went in in both if if there's a return i'm gonna be like cool but like we talked about last week the reality of it is if i really wanted more money my biggest investment is Linus Media Group Inc., Creator Warehouse Inc., and Floatplane Inc. If I wanted to have, like, truly f*** you money, that would be the way to do it. I kind of danced around it last week, but it was a nine-figure offer, okay, for the whole shebang. I guess you technically danced around it. Some people misunderstood, which is remarkable.

All right. Anyway, the point is, it was a nine-figure offer. If I wanted money, I could get money. The reason, the biggest reason I didn't take the money is that at the end of the day, I don't have, I don't aspire to a yacht lifestyle. You'd be so bored. Yeah.

You would actually hate that trip. I think, I guarantee I've received photos from him when he's on vacation, like standing on the beach with like the I am so bored here face. He's not going to be entertained by a yacht. I wouldn't even bother renting a yacht. I don't even need to know. Even if it was free, he'd probably be like, I'd'd rather not i already know i don't need it um yeah so anyway the point is that a big part of the reason that i didn't take it is that my my life would not be material change materially changed by having a giant dragon horde which is obviously a super privileged position, but it also means that I

Get to just do stuff like this. Yeah, so I get to just say hey, that's something I really want to exist I know you guys are super cool. And even if I never get anything out of it This is great. I will be the most hands-off investor that you have ever had Like it's it's really funny because even internally people will want to know like what's going on with framework and stuff because it's like interesting technology and I'm like stuff here's the actual question though yes okay that wasn't your method of investing Yeah, if you were investing for profit. Yeah, I mean to be clear. I don't mind profit Yeah, yeah, like but if this was this was what you did if you were like I'm an investor

Yeah, like that's what I do. Yeah, sure So I'm just I'm putting you in this position if this happened to one of the companies that you invested in And they're screwed Do you put in more yeah i mean it depends if i even have it what if i bank let's let's oh sorry i missed the beat but what if i bank there let's assume in this situation that you have the cash okay i bank at bank of america that's the only bank in america because i bank at hsbc i don't know I can bank in America. I bank at HSBC. I don't know. Sure. Sure. Whatever. Because in this situation, like reinvesting. Sorry, I'm a little flustered right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Reinvesting. Let's say you reinvest the same amount. Reinvesting means you just doubled the investment. Yeah. So you're not getting your return, right? And I would imagine the paperwork of putting that investment into it means you've you've probably increased their their valuation or whatever like i don't think you can just be say oh i will i need to replace the like money that disappeared because so it gets weird you already have the shares

that presumably you were issued based on that initial investment the fact that they like pissed it away in a you know bank or whether they whether they pissed it away or lost it yeah or lost it or whatever like the the the vehicle by which they lost the money because they bought i don't know the 300 herman miller chairs or whatever like it doesn't matter how they lost it yeah it's gone that doesn't mean you didn't get your shares you've got your shares so if you give them more money well i think they would have to they would have to dilute they would have to issue more shares or you would have to find some justification for the valuation to be higher or something like or some combination of the two right

like you can't have something for nothing. So it would be f***ed. Yeah. Because I'm wondering what's going to happen to certain companies right now. Yeah. Yeah. And like, there's this brutal cycle that we just went through, right? And there's been a bunch of news articles about this. Earlier this week, literally, I was reading one of them.

There's been this cycle that has happened where a bunch of very good tech employees were laid off recently, right? Yeah. And a lot of these, like, hard-hitter, big-time tech employees spun up startups in the last, like, month or two. And a lot of these startups are, looking really good actually but if they're banking here they might have just lost all of their vc money that they just raised like that so people are talking low interest loans is something you could do i can tell i can tell you from researching it you can't just issue like a one percent interest loan uh even if you're just super dupey definitely best friends um the government's gonna be like hold on a minute yeah yeah um this looks like a gift oh man there's people on reddit apparently this is in float

plane chat people on reddit posting about how their payroll companies went through svb so they weren't getting paychecks oh like the fact that this is the bank of the cradle of, you know, modern internet technology, it means that there's, we can't even predict all the things that are going to go wrong because of this. Because one of the weird things is, like I said, I Googled companies with cash stuck in SVB, right? And the main thing that shows up is roku i suspect over the next few days week month we're gonna hear about a lot more companies that had their their stuff stuck right wow

okay it sounds like the assets of svb were specifically seized by the fdic by the way okay so government's got it okay well um good luck everybody oh do not really really really brutal yeah the ramifications of this not only is like the main news cycle gonna take quite a while to actually pick up the impact of this, but the ramifications of this are going to go on for an extremely long time. Silicon Valley Bank's been around for a while and they've been a big deal in startups for a while. This is gonna be a massive, massive change in how people do business because it's been like a default for a lot of people. Yeah. Oh, you got VC money? time to go to silicon valley bank this is

what you do people saying the government is the reason for this it is not that simple um like a bank run doesn't just happen because the government um i don't know i don't know a lot of those yeah there's a lot of stuff like i don't know how much of this is true, but Floatplane Chat is just exploding right now with apparently insiders at SVB selling shares in the weeks leading up to this. I mean, obviously, they wouldn't figure this out at the last second that they didn't have cash reserves to cover their withdrawals, right?

So, man, apparently Roblox has money in SVB. I don't even feel bad for them, though. No offense. They're rolling in it. I'm sure they'll they'll be fine yeah i think they'll figure it out wow all right okay well um neat uh good luck everybody what do you want to talk about next mr luke um um um should we talk about that i think that's funny the pouch oh sure last week we announced this it's a pouch that holds technology but we were informed that that name that we announced for it is in fact trademarked how How anyone managed to trademark a descriptive name

is baffling to me because when we went through the process of trademarking the name of our joystick covers which will go on sale at some point. They're little silicone covers that go on your joysticks for travel. Is that the thing that was in the bag last night? Oh were they? No, different one. Okay. No, they're not for grip when you're gaming. They're for travel. Oh, so they're like protection so you don't get drift and stuff.

We hope. Yeah. We don't guarantee anything. No. That would be a bad idea. We're not making any claims about anything, but they go over your joysticks and they lock them in place when it's sitting in a bag or in storage or when you're traveling or whatever else. So anyway, when we were going through the trademark process for that, we wanted to call them stick locks and we wanted to trademark that.

And we were basically told, yeah, you can't really trademark a name that is simply descriptive of the function of the product. So how anyone managed to trademark TechPouch is sort of baffling to me. It's cool to me that the owner of the TechPouch trademark apparently considers us an important enough rival to bother to send a cease and desist to. But anywho. We need a new name. The pointwho. We need a new name. The point is, we need a new name. And we need a new name so that we can relaunch the page. Because if you notice, it was taken off the site.

Yeah. So it holds tech. I mean, it can hold anything. We have a couple of ideas. Do you want. Do you want to. I mean, I wouldn't recommend putting a sandwich in it. It could though.

Yeah. But these are fabric materials. They're fairly absorbent. If your sandwich gets a little leaky, get like some mayo in there. I don't know if it would be great. That'd be not great. Yeah. You don't need like sandwich mayo in this thing. Um, anyway, the point is that we've got a couple of names. Yeah. Do you want to create a pool? Yeah. Yeah. Uh, idea number one. Uh, where does this, where does this go? Uh, yes. Idea number one, gamer pouch.

Once again, I think that would be pretty difficult to trademark, so it shouldn't be an issue. But my problem with that is it sounds an awful lot like, you know. Ah, yes. Yeah, gamer pouch. Okay, other idea, mini tech sack. That has its own innuendo problems. Tynan said tech bag of holding.

We also call the... The big area in the backpack. Yeah, we call that like the compartment of holding, so I don't know. Bag of tech. Yeah, that's's pretty funny Linus is tech sack Okay, I appreciate the suggestions floatplane chat I Don't know that we're going to go with any of those Gadget bag nerd bag the pouch

tech tips pouch Yeah, you also don't... Yeah, like, you could take the mini off. It could just be tech sack. Yeah, it could be tech sack. You want to throw tech sack in there? I said tech sack in there. How about tech tips pouch?

Tech tips pouch? Yeah. It's not tech pouch. It's tech tips pouch. Tech tips pouch. All right. LOM says tech sack is fine. I kind of kind of like tech sack yeah tech sack's not bad thanks bro yeah yeah it's pretty good uh we could call it ltt pouch yeah yeah that's actually not

bad throw ltt pouch in there ltt pouch you should probably feel like we're gonna have to do like a read like we pick the highest two and then revote you should throw pouchy McPouch face in there Just to make sure that where we've got the the internet culture represented. We launched that I Will do I will commit to whatever the audience ultimately votes for I? Can actually feel Nick's cringe I can actually feel Nick's cringe from here. The energy is strong. At least temporarily. At least temporarily.

Jane said NCIX pouch. I think we actually couldn't do that. No, we couldn't do that. That would definitely be an actual trademark issue. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, let's go with what we've got. Let's launch the pool.

That is six options. Okay. Hit it launch the poll. That is six options. Okay, hit it All right, oh man, I need to see who immediately takes off. Pouchy McPouchface with almost a hundred percent of the vote Why did you agree to that? Okay, more serious votes are starting to come in. P mcpouch face held 90 for like 30 seconds uh and tech sack looks like it's gonna come away with it we'll do it we'll we will do a playoff between the top two and we'll see how okay see how it comes out tech sack is is cruising yeah tech sack is making up a lot of ground here uh why don't we why don't we change gears a little bit

here and oh man we look we've got so much stuff to talk about this week we've got a secret shopper update yeah but we don't normally do our own stuff in the first four announcements no this is dell dell reached out to me out of nowhere being like hey we have no idea if you have a secret shopper planned or anything like that but we're ready so i figured we'd talk about that but first why don't we do an update on the whole tarkov situation okay yeah chat's asking about like apparent i'm sorry what happened to goat like okay rootkitted or something what like his system's down people been arrested in china not what is happening literally not one time that we've talked about goat or his videos on wancho

have i expected we were going to talk about goat or his videos on wancho so i am yet again apologizing to goat uh because i wasn't prepared for this but he has released his third video on the topic now it started with the wiggle that killed tarkov which is currently sitting at 2.2 million views wow um but uh his most recent video is I was attacked. And he talks about some of what happened in the aftermath. One of the things that he points out is that he was told by a number of people, including me, that he should have wiped his drive after all that happened. And he did not.

And one of the things that he tried to do... Why don't you explain why? Well, he installed their software on his local system. We got to get people up to speed. Okay, okay, okay. So what happened was Goat, or also known as Goat Moth, a creator in the Tarkov space, Escape from Tarkov, a video game that I and a number of other people play. Oh, are we good?

Okay. He made a video called The Wiggle That Killed Tarkov, which was an investigative journalism piece. Really good. It was fantastic. On cheating in Tarkov and how it's- The pervasiveness. And how much worse it is than most people realize

because of the type of cheats that people use. A lot of people, when they're thinking about cheating in first-person shooter games, the main thing they think about is aim. Yeah. Another thing that people think about is wall hacks, stuff like that. But usually you think about the obvious forms of cheating. Yes. And in Tarkov, it's not necessarily the obvious forms that are the most pervasive.

It's the things that aren't very obvious unless you are also cheating so he had to cheat in order to reveal this issue um he then followed up talking about how his account that he cheated on did get banned but he knew that was coming he didn't hide like his rate ids or anything so it was very easy for them to detect um and lots of things have happened in the aftermath we covered some of this i believe in last show yeah um but but anyway even more after the video you advised him to completely wipe his drive fresh install and the reason for that was because in order to expose the cheaters goat installed the same cheat software that they were using which i mean i don't want to generalize but if I was

going to generalize I would say that if you're a developer of cheating software for video games you're probably not the most um it's very likely if you download cheats for a game that you are also

downloading things that you probably don't want on your system whether that is and it's probably well i'm saying if you develop cheats for games you are probably you are probably selling software your morals might be a little questionable that people shouldn't have on their system yeah so it's it's quite common to uh have uh like bitcoin miners or not necessarily bitcoin but coin miners installed on your system that are going to run in the background that you don't know about stuff like that it's also very possible that like in this particular situation they install a rootkit on your system that they can like do basically whatever they want with um and he went to try to get some some

in his original video he talked about how he didn't want to interview the the cheat developers for this video he has interviews with some anti-cheat developers and he wanted some voice clips from cheat developers and he thought you should watch the video don't get everything from the wancho um for real yeah it's actually like i'm not going to it's a 16 minute video no i just mean in general yeah also that uh um but he he wanted like a a voice clip from the people that developed the cheat that he used in particular because he brought up it had gone undetected for three years so he wants to hear them like being really cocky about it basically sure he reconnected to their discord they now have some form of verification and they figured out that it was a new user from the same i don't know if i don't i don't remember all the details

you should watch the video but they figured out that it was him essentially yeah and then just like nuked his drives wow couldn't boot anymore couldn't even find the drives when like looking through bios or anything he thinks they killed like the drivers on his nvme drives killed the drivers i don't know necessarily yeah i i haven't looked into it enough i i i there's a few ways that that could happen sure without having access to stuff i have i have no idea i'm not good enough to to make enough assumptions to know. The controller, yeah. If they're NVMe drives, they're like, it's not a hard drive. So you can fry those in a variety of ways.

Right. To be honest. In hard drives, there's other bad ways you can do it. And I have since told him like, yeah, it could also be in your BI at this point yeah so that's a whole thing that also came out this week that there's um oh crap i forget the details but basically there's there's the first uh instance of of it's been theorized for a while but there's the first instance of like a firmware based uh malware that can can survive a complete system reformat

because it can fool the, all the like trusted boot job. Oh man, yeah, secure boot. It can fool secure boot and like all the trust elements in that chain that protect the pre-operating system loading, actually even pre-uefi loading environment so that's a whole that's a whole thing man like seriously malware that can survive a complete system format and then just go and reinstall itself i mean we've had stuff that

can hide in bios for a while that thing that you're talking about is is different this is pre-bios though yeah Yeah. Yeah, which is like bad. Oh yeah, super bad. That's even worse. Yeah. Anywho, in order to install something like that they would need admin authorization on your computer, but the thing is, when you run an executable

guess what that is? Yeah. So that was kind of rough, but I mean Ghost's doing okay. He got a 2.2 million view video he's probably he's probably doing all right right now yeah and he can probably replace some drives yeah so he pitched those drives hopefully that's the extent of what needs to happen there but there's also some other crazy news that happened that he reported on in that video and you should watch it because he has some interviews with uh the devs of a game that i don't

remember off the top of my head right now. We don't have notes for this. I didn't know we were going to talk about it today. And the interviews are very interesting. And they talk about how they have totally, their game was like overrun with cheaters. And they talked about what they did in order to fix it. And now there's like public community posts by users, like players of the game, talking about like, yeah, it's a completely different world. I don't run into any anymore.

Wow, that's cool. And their whole approach makes a ton of sense. And we've talked about it on WAN Show where they just have a bunch of systems in place. And he talks about it, but they call it like the Swiss cheese approach or something. Cause like each system is gonna have some holes, but you just have enough of them that eventually

you're not gonna be able to make it all the way through. And maybe some can, but they've gotten it to a point where it's so low that the community is quite happy about it. I mean, we've talked before about how there are cheats that are literally a robot arm playing the game that no anti-cheat can detect. But that's not fun. Yes. Very few people are going to set up a 3D printer

to move the mouse around for them to play the game. Like, that's not... You just get to observe. Maybe some RMTers will and stuff, but, like, you're really massively reducing the impact. Yes. But, like... Most cheaters want to press the button

and feel like a Chad because they, you know... I'm sick of this game. Or whatever, right? So I feel like for Chad because they, you know, I'm sick of this game or whatever, right? So I feel like for most cheaters, that's not going to be that appealing. Yeah, yeah. So, and that's all super interesting. But one of the things that he talks about in the video,

and again, I don't have notes, so I'm hoping I'm going to remember this well, but that cheat that he used, there's stuff on their Discord. Man, I wish I could bring this up right now. there's stuff on their discord oh man i wish i could bring this up right now there's stuff on their discord talking about how the the service is offline and no one can use it right now because it has to call to a service all the time and their servers are like gone and there's people reporting that uh we don't know who necessarily but some amount of arrests were made. Arrests? Arrests.

Like people were put in jail and their servers were seized. This is a cheat developer based in China. We have no idea who did this. We don't know if it was BSG. We don't know if the investigation was already running from someone else. I know that developing game cheats is illegal in, I think, South Korea. I think also using them is illegal in South Korea. But I wasn't aware of any legislation like that in China.

Me neither. I do know that there is a culture of Chinese players cheating outside of China. So I do wonder if maybe there is something. And that's why they go to, like, North American or European servers, is because they might get caught if they go on local servers. I have no idea. I have no clue. Just a random theory. Wow.

Very interesting. Like the last story we were talking about, this is very much a developing story right now and i cannot believe i mean the level of impact when we first talked about this i went wow that's really cool that game right uh like like i love this kind of expose investigative journalism and he's done a great job yeah like like you know good job kudos and all of that right i didn't expect the explosion on their community last week i didn't expect the that we're we're going to be looking at people getting literally arrested over the development of this software dude when i was like oh yeah i'm gonna like quit for a while because the situation is so bad i didn't expect things would happen i still the situation is so bad. I didn't expect things would happen.

I still haven't played yet, but I didn't expect things would happen this fast that are like, oh, the main cheat in the whole game just got deleted from the internet. That's a pretty big deal. Oh, BBC.com. Police bust world's biggest video game cheat operation. Several luxury sports cars were among assets seized. Oh, for crying out loud. Okay, this is awesome.

Were among assets seized in the raid. Nice cars. Chinese police and gaming giant Tencent. They probably go faster than all the other cars on the track because they're like cheating. Because they what? They cheated? Oh, my God.

$76 million in revenue they stole they seized assets 76 million in rev how many people are buying this stuff subscription prices for users began at about a 10 a day i don't know 100 know if this is the hold on is this the same one when is this from i don't know this is from march 30th of oh oh oh two years ago never mind this is old this is yeah okay yeah okay oh i think they posted this to show that yes it is very much a thing it is a thing okay yeah okay yeah all right all right well thank you for that wow uh there's a bunch of people posting in floatplane chat wanny pack andrew tate was running a cheating operation got him um it's not a fanny pack though yeah it's not a fanny pack if we were to ever do a fanny pack i give you my personal

linus tech tips guarantee we will call it the Wanny Pack. I promise. As long as it has like a WAN. It would have to be WAN. Yeah, color scheme. But yes, yes, yes. We will do it. We'll do it. Okay, we should remake the poll.

It's Tech Sack versus Pouchy McPouch Face. Okay. Guys, come on. Oh, actually, Linus Tech Tote had a lot of people asking for it as well. Should we just do another round and then do one more after? I think it's got to come down to two. Yeah, we'll put these two more options in. So let's put in the two new options.

So Linus Tech Tote and, or no, that's the only one. And then Tech Sack and Pouchy McPouchface. Okay, yeah Tote is just T-O-T-E, right? Yeah Oh man, oh, the L-T-T bag That's pretty funny Actually Throw in the L-T-T bag

So just L-T-T bag, but it's funny if you say it out loud Because Testicles I didn't get it, actually Until you said it's funny if you say it out loud And then I got it, I didn't get it actually until you said it's funny if you say it out loud and then I got it I don't know why alright why don't we why don't we change gears and oh my is there any good news this week um ring is giving police invasive user footage i mean we're not just talking like you know porch pirates need a reckoning and you gotta like catch these guys we're talking last year um ring announced that at the end of this

month it will require new and existing users to buy a subscription for basic security features that used to be included with the purchase of the camera including using the ring app to arm and disarm security receiving notifications when an alarm triggers or customizing the camera to record during an alarm it was allowing police access to users cameras without a warrant or the owners consent because the police claimed it was an emergency ring has also been repeatedly criticized for providing users footage to police even when it has no legal obligation to do so ring claims that they carefully review all requests from law enforcement and ask for revising warrants when the demands are inappropriate or overly

broad but last year michael larkin a ring user in ohio with 21 cameras around his home and business was asked by police to provide footage from his outside facing cameras to aid in an ongoing investigation into a neighbor he voluntarily gave them the footage from the time period they requested the police then asked for all the footage from the day in question, which he declined. The cameras record in short bursts whenever there's movement, and it would have taken a long time to download and send each file. The police then

sent a warrant to Ring, requesting all of the footage from all of his cameras, which Ring gave them, including footage from the three cameras inside his house, and the 13 cameras at his business, which is at a completely separate location. One of the cameras inside the home is located in his bedroom.

Okay. What the f***? Am I the crazy person here? There's a discussion question that said, should consumers ever trust a large company to have access to their footage at this point? No. Close circuit, man. Larkin only found out about this question that said, should consumers ever trust a large company to have access to their footage at this point? No. Close

circuit, man. Larkin only found out about this when Ring sent him a notification that police had been given his footage. They didn't request or otherwise push back on the warrant or anything like that. They're just like, yep, here's footage

from this guy's bedroom. Hopefully you like watching videos of him banging yeah unbelievable right yeah no it absolutely is i don't know we've talked about this concept for a long time we've warned people about like doorbell stuff like ring doorbells for a long time this is why yeah we we we did a couple sponsor spots with ring way back in the day i think that was like pre-amazon acquisition and uh i forget when it happened but there was there was like a fairly early incident where they were just handing over footage and we basically said look you guys need to change this policy or we're not gonna work with you anymore well yeah we don't work with ring anymore yep there are solutions

for this uh they're not quite as easy and they're not quite as cheap yeah um but there are solutions for this for doing it yourself um and unfortunately that's the the way it's got to be in my opinion especially if you have the cameras inside your house, man, like in the bedroom, I do have, okay. I was about to be all judgy and say, well, why would you have a camera in your bedroom in the first place? That's stupid or something like that. But I mean, okay. I don't know. Maybe they have pets and maybe their pets like to hang out in the bedroom and they, you know, like to keep an eye on them for whatever reason, like they could have health problems or you don't know, right?

You never know what someone's situation is. Maybe there's a very good reason that they have... Conrad... What the heck, man? I personally use Eufy cameras in my bathroom. This is one of our developers. Surely you must know better. I mean, he's kidding

He's 100% kidding. Yeah, okay Okay, it's time for our last poll We do need this name. We need to get this thing relaunched on the store the result Okay, is it okay? So is it our last poll this is our last one because one. Because the tote at 16% of the vote could individually decide any of the three remaining. So should we do one more with the three? No, just two.

We're going down to the top. Oh, I see. Yeah, because there's a 1% difference and 16% of the votes are on tote. So it will actually completely change which one ends up in the finals. Okay, Linus Tech Tote is out. New poll.

It's Tech Sack at 26% of the vote versus LTT Bag at 24% versus Pouchy McPouchface at 35%. Are we picking just the winner of that? Or are we doing another final round? Because here's a question. We could leave out. Pouch is clearly going to be in the final so we could do a poll just against tech sack and ltd bag no no let's let's let's put let's let's leave pouchy mcpouch face in okay yeah i i can just yeah yeah let's let's leave the three

options in is this the final poll let's make this the final countdown. Okay. Do-do-do-do. So, because there's the concern here because the non-pouches are split. I see. Okay. I think if you end it with multiple non-pouch options, it guarantees a pouch win. Fine, Luke. We will do the three-way vote, and then we will do a two-way final. It's going to last the whole show, which is impressive because wan show is like four hours now it's ridiculous why why is wan show four hours we've got to fix this okay that's it wan show's done bye no i'm kidding no i'm kidding i'm not done there's so

much more to talk about this week yep how were you not able to find topics to oh oh this is great okay i guess we're going to talk about more ltd store stuff because this is super that's why i couldn't find topics what we've been talking about other than ring which i didn't want to talk about because i hate that i mean it's fair to talk about on the show but i just i just we've been saying for so many years not to do it because of this reason that just happened so it's just like it's good to talk about it's just frustrating um actually you know what let's get the sponsors out of the way and then we will and then we will get to the next thing i'm actually very excited for the sponsors you're excited for the sponsors i am since when are you excited for sponsors mr privateer

because there's a dennis integration oh no wait what is this all dennis integrations what is this dan let's go dan's got a whole bunch he's got paperwork over there so the thing that we're using for wanshow now the new software that we're using for wanshow stores all of the the um the sources in like vram i see so it's like really quick and stable and stuff. It like filled the card with stuff that Dennis made for these ad spots. The VRAM is like... Seven gigs of... Seven gigs of VRAM. I have 78 sources.

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Let's go. Let's go. Last poll. Excuse me. Last poll. versus Pouchy McPouchface. Let's go. Let's go. Last poll. Excuse me. Last poll. Hey, we should do a couple of merch messages. For those of you who are new to the WAN show,

which seems to be a lot of you today, we've got 21,000 live viewers over on YouTube. We've got... Twitch is slow. One moment, please. My dashboard is loading. Holy crap, this is really slow 5600 over on twitch and i have no idea how many are watching on floatplane because we still don't have a dang view counter get on you get owned own yourself um anyway uh so, we've got a lot of new people watching. The way to interact with the show is not through super chats. I almost said merch messages.

Not through super chats, not through Twitch bits. It's merch messages. And what makes them superior to super chats and Twitch bits is that while just like those methods, you can absolutely throw your money at the screen for no reason other than hoping for acknowledgement from people that you only know through a little screen in front of you um not only that but in case we don't get to your message or just even if we do instead of just like lining google or amazon's pockets you will get merchandise in the mail, water bottles, desk pads, whatever we're going to call this thing

that holds tech stuff in his pouch. Oh, man, we've got a new product to announce today that I'm so excited about. We'll talk about that later. Do we have multiple? No, no, just one. Oh, okay. The point is that if you send a merch message,

just go to lttstore.com, and in the checkout, you can send a merch message. It'll either pop up down there. Dan might reply to you. We might reply to your message live on the show. And even if none of that happens, you will definitely still get your order in the mail and we make lots of really, really good stuff. So head over to lttstore.com. All right. Do you want to hit us with a couple of merch messages, Dan, before we move on? Sure. The first one I have here is from Michael. Speaking of building moats last week, do you think that there's still space on tech YouTube for new channels to even come close as big as popular as you guys or others like MKBHD?

I would have said no. And then Mr. Who's the Boss broke out big. I was actually literally going to say yes, specifically because of him. Yeah. He, I think he proved it to me that it's possible. It's hard. It's not easy. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, like it's, it's a, it's a funny thing because as the platform has matured and as the tools to create video have become more and more accessible, like, man, the production values you can get for a thousand dollars today are better than what you could do for probably ten thousand back when we started honestly like really particularly in spaces like lighting lighting has gotten cheap it's incredible what you can do brutal at the beginning with cheap lighting these days like you can get high cri bulbs at home depot now you know that that's the kind of thing that just didn't exist 10 years ago right and but what's funny is that as access to the tools and as the strength of the platform overall

has gotten better the competition has also gotten fiercer. So I would say that today it is easier than ever to have a video blow up. Like YouTube algorithmically is so powerful. But I would say that today it's as hard as ever to build momentum, to build a large channel, to build a team. Yeah, exactly. So it's a tough.

Because you might be able to hit, like if you have one concept that you've been sitting on for years and you make like one really sick video, you might be able to hit with one video. But continuing that, keeping the roll going being able to release not only like one two or three more but being able to release one two or three hundred more is really hard and you have to be there for the whole time by the way the poll is

really slowing down in terms of votes that are coming in we're only getting one or two trickling in at a time and i think i think we have a winner it looks like it's gonna be tech sack by four percent by four percent wow that was very close yeah um i can leave it running but like i don't know we can let it run a little longer yeah i don't think it's going to change much at this point. What were we talking about again? Right. Yeah, yeah. Could you break out?

So yeah, I would have said, I would have said no until. I think we have said no in the past, actually. Yeah, yeah. I think, because I, and I will tell you that initially, I thought the question was, can you still like, can you still break out in

the tech space? And for that, the answer is absolutely yes. Because I think the future of the platform is many niche channels more than these like, you know, like I see us kind of like a department store channel. And I think that we've seen a shift culturally away from the one-stop shop, away from the department store, into the niche experts. And that's a big part of the reason why we're growing our team. That's why we're building the lab. That's why we're hiring engineers and subject matter experts, so that when it's time for us to really get laser- focused on niches, whether they're display or CPU, GPU or cooling or whatever it is, we're properly equipped for it because I think that a niche that has 100,000 people that are super dialed into it is way, way easier to tackle these days

than trying to make broadly appealing tech content to try to hit a million or two million or 10 million people, especially when there are so many channels that are doing that broad content so well. Because it's not just us. You have to, I mean, you already mentioned MKBHD, right? So you're going up against us. You're going up against Marquez. You're going up against Aaron. You're going up against a jay's two cents and austin you're going up against

all these folks you just list names for like 20 minutes yeah there's so many and then if you if you went on for long enough you might end up with the uh the creators we're hoping to have at ltx sorry uh we'll we will confirm those eventually for you guys we just need approval from these folks to tell you who's going to be coming. So if you ask me that, I'd say, yeah, breaking out in a niche, no problem. But building a mega channel, man, I'm not going to say that I didn't work hard. I'm not going to say you didn't work hard. But we would be just dishonest if we didn't acknowledge that there was a significant degree of right place, right time.

Yeah. You know what? It's always kind of funny to me. Having access to NCX was such a huge. Even back then, I thought the ship had sailed. And it wasn't that stupid of a thought, right? Like, think back to when the channel started. So what was that?

2009, we uploaded the first ncix tech tips video so back then i mean how long did web startup you know social platforms exist for nothing had lasted as long as what 2009 to the 14 years nothing latter But I think YouTube started 2006 something like that so so nothing nothing lasted You know 17 18 years so for me to look at it and go yeah, I'm I'm three years I'm four years late to the party. You know PC whiz kid and chilla frilla and Locker gnnome.

You know, these folks have all got it on lock, right? I remember all of them. How could I possibly hope to break into this space? Yeah. It wasn't even that stupid a thing for me to think, especially with the importance of subscribers back in that time, right? Once you had that critical mass, well, how else could anyone possibly hope to

get on the home page you know things that mattered back then um but i ended up being wrong so i could be wrong again maybe the next big all you can eat tech channel is brewing in the mind of someone who's watching the show right now there's also like there's also other platforms. I'm pretty sure they said specifically YouTube. But like, I think one of the reasons why. Why we did get a start and why a lot of other creators around that time got to start is people were slowly shifting away from TV at the time. Absolutely. Something similar could happen to YouTube.

Maybe I don't necessarily it doesn't really feel like it is TikTok, but maybe there's something that comes around. That US ban goes through. Yeah. But like something might happen. Who knows? Yep. Who knows what's going to happen in the world of apps

or other potential websites. And then content types, like the tech that we talk about, what is going to be out there eventually we're talking about ar stuff we're talking about these weird ai integrations we don't know the direction that either of those things are going to go and maybe you are a fantastic source for whatever that ends up being and that can be your niche who knows yeah 100 um the float plane chat is hilarious right now absolutely right hashtag not my sack stop the sack recount impouchment

what are you guys florida okay that's an old joke that's like going back to uh what's what's his nuts like gore gore bush or whatever um anywho bring me pouchy or bring me death oh no okay we're going you guys should do oh no i don't think it would be worth the run but you guys should do a version that has like a smiley face on it and do like a limited run of poaching McPoach faces. It's probably not worth it. Speaking of run, Mr. Wage posted in float plane chat at Silicon Valley bank,

north of 93% of the bank's 161 billion in deposits are apparently uninsured per a recent regulatory filing. Whoa. Anyway, sorry. Want to hit us with another merch message dan uh yeah absolutely uh oh sorry i'm gonna say what you just said but i'm gonna say it through the mic the tech sack is apparently back up on the store under the name tech sack that was fast oh what it's up uh no one

has informed me of that that doesn't seem right right. It is up, though. I'm looking at it right now. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, okay, Nick, it's TechSack, if you're watching. TechSack 1. No, it's TechSack. Oh, it's TechSack.

Yeah. Oh, so it's up. Yeah. Did I not say that? No, I think. I might have misspoke. I don't know. No, yeah, you probably didn't.

Okay. Yeah, all good. All right. It's officially tech sack now. So if you want to get my sack in the mail, then you can order it. Floatplane is not happy. Yeah, Floatplane's never happy.

It's funny because the more people love us, it seems like the more angry they get with us. Yeah, and we love you back, Floatplane, and we're never angry with you can i can i take a moment to just shout out like a couple a couple people first of all shout out the float plane peeps who happen to be 32 254 strong these days yeah and then i'd also like to take a moment to shout out the social team because they have been absolutely annihilating their targets for floatplane exclusive content these days not not in terms of like the volume they're they they hit the volume targets but they

are crushing it in terms of the quality of the exclusives that we've been uploading um this this one was really good uh they were hanging out with the engineers over in Creator Warehouse. Just a casual 99.5% like-dislike ratio on this test run with our desktop injection molder. It's just really cool to see some of the stuff that goes on behind the scenes here that normally wouldn't get any exposure being appreciated. There's a meet the team with Yvonne, right? Yeah, that one actually went up on LMG Clips as a promotion for Floatplane. And I think it's going to stay up for either hours

or a day or two or something like that. But Floatplane is full of Meet the Teams with, I think, literally dozens of members of the team at this point. Kyle's is a recent one that has been very, very popular. This is a sidebar thing because it's not us, but Garbage Time also passed 3,000 subscribers. Let's go. has been very very popular this is a sidebar thing because it's not it's not us but uh garbage time also passed 3 000 subscribers sick let's go let's go all right dan hit me with another merch message

okay i've got another one here hey guys since more oled monitors are being made is there really a point to getting one for somebody who plays mostly first person shooters and cranks the shadows up, thus negating one of the points of an OLED. Wait, how does that negate? So cranking the shadows up, I can see where you're coming from, right? Like if you lift up the dark parts of the image so that you can more easily identify opponents. I misinterpreted this.

Yeah, I see where you're coming from if all you ever do is play fps games get a crt well no no i i would still go oled because from a gaming perspective the biggest benefit of oled is not the contrast or the color accuracy because like you said you know for a competitive edge many gamers will totally mess with their colors or their or their contrast or whatever else the gamma curves and all that um but from a pixel persisted like an image persistence standpoint from a pixel response time standpoint nothing else modern like i'm not, CRTs aside, nothing else modern even comes close to touching an OLED. So the clarity of the image, particularly during fast movements, like if you're whipping the mouse, is so much higher than an LCD that I would rather have a 240 hertz OLED over a 500 hertz LCD.

I say that out of ignorance, though, because we haven't yet been actually hands on with a 500 hertz LCD. I think that out of ignorance though because we haven't yet been actually hands on with a 500 hertz LCD. I think we're going to get to check it out soon. But that's how I feel about it right now. Really, really love OLED gaming. And it's all about that lightning fast

pixel response time and image clarity in motion. Hit me with one more and then we'll get to some more topics here. The last one. All right. I'm about to deploy another Stratus FT server for work. Are you? Really?

Here? Because I don't know about that. Oh. Sorry, Luke. Oh, wait. Merch message. Okay. This is from Anonymous.

Anyway, they basically run the CPUs and RAM in RAID 1. What's your favorite fault-tolerant, high-availability equipment? Oh. That's a difficult question. Yeah. Man, I got to say, I was really blown away when I visited IBM, and I got to get hands-on with ibmz because on the one hand i look at a product like ibmz and i go there's got to be a more economical open source like

way to do this with off the shelf like super micro servers in running in a cluster or something, you know, like the, the, the geek in me is sitting here going, this seems like yesterday's solution tomorrow. You know what I mean? Are they really engineering an entire CPU for one system for like six

customers? Like, is it, is this really the best way to do it? You know, like that's kind of my gut feeling. But then you go and you look, kind of like you're talking about. You look at the way that they build, you know, Raid 1 directly onto like into a memory subsystem. Or you look at the way that you can literally just yank mains power out of this thing and it

completely doesn't notice and it's It's pretty cool. I would say that if you want to see me kind of geek out over over fault tolerance That's the video to go watch because those things are what is it for nines? They target something stupid like that shots on my head, but I is it four nines they target something stupid like that i'm not sure what's on my head but i forget how many nines um do while i look it up do you want to explain the concept of nines uh oh it's it's like basically when you're when you're looking at something like uptime uh if you have 99.9 well if you look at an entire year the 0.1 that's remaining is actually a pretty significant amount of time.

So you want to increase your amount of nines because if you go from 99.9 to 99.99, that's actually a very significant reduction in downtime that you just had. So increasing the, if you, if you say like four nines, that's the amount of nines past the decimal point that you have. So having more nines is more better. IBM Z reliability. For Z15s, their commitment is seven nines. So on average, 3.2 seconds of downtime per year. Yeah, see, like, that's sick. That's actually kind of stupid.

Yeah, that's kind of amazing. And so, yeah was it was really cool not just seeing the hardware and like pulling cords out of it or whatever but some of what didn't make it into the video unfortunately just just like talking to the people who work on and who design these systems was was very cool because it's a it's a completely different mindset. Like you talk about running RAM in Raid 1, right? I think to the average gamer, if I said, hey, you can experience three minutes less downtime per year and all it'll cost you is spending $600

instead of $300 on your memory. They'd look at you like you're a f***ing idiot. Apparently it includes the first two nines. Oh, okay. I've been referring to that incorrectly for a hot minute. All right, my bad. At any rate, seven nines, still wild. Yeah, so that's five past the decimal.

Yeah. Why would you include the first two? Whatever. Hold on a second. If it doesn't start with 99, you're having some problems yeah apparently it does include the first whatever so that is five nines past the decimal that's still wild anyway the point is if you told the average gamer hey you can spend twice as much on your memory and it'll save you three minutes of downtime a year

well they they tell you you're an idiot like no i think i can handle what what is that two game crashes over a span of 365 days is probably okay and i'll save my few hundred dollars but when three minutes of downtime could back up all of your client systems or cause some kind of catastrophic system fail okay oh perfect example of this when the canadian debit infrastructure went down you remember that or or when when uh our rogers uh telco man i'm making canada sound like some kind of backwater it's just the things we're more aware of yeah um or when uh so rogers communications had a down had downtime for like a day and my understanding is in the post-mortem to that, it basically came down to like one system, you know, managed by one person,

like had something went wrong with it. It's actually kind of amazing how patchwork our systems are. I mean, okay, for an example, not in Canada. Okay, you get like one bank that disappears in the States and all of a sudden it's like. Oh okay. Well the Silicon Valley startup scene has no money. So that's cool. Right.

The way that the world. Is architected. For very few points of failure. That can take down the entire system. I've said this many times. And I don't know. Maybe this is a dumb thing to talk about on a podcast. like if a terrorist wanted to really harm the city of vancouver okay all they gotta do is take out like two bridges we've had this conversation the entire The entire region would grind to a halt. I'm talking no commerce, no food, like nothing.

We have nothing. It's mind-blowing. There's that South Park joke. I love telling people about this, where they talk about the one road in Canada. Follow the only road. And you realize that at certain parts parts of the country there is one road Highway one is actually a very big deal up here Yeah

When like a bridge goes down and it happens to be in that area where there is just one road like Canada is split in half temporarily yeah Interprovincial shipping is actually Done it's it's out. It's out. It's out. Pontoon bridges for the wind, say people. There are places where I don't think it would be feasible. How would you put in a pontoon bridge to replace the portman? I don't think so.

Okay, let's talk about something good about Canada. I think the portman is the longest like suspension bridge like like free it's like the longest freestanding suspension bridge or something like that in in something I don't know if it's like in North maybe it's only in Canada longest suspension something yeah I'm pretty sure this is a thing the port man bridge the one of the longest in the world was constructed using the balanced cantilever method okay one of the longest in the world was constructed using the balanced cantilever method okay one of the longest in the world well all right never mind but it's two kilometers long which in real units that anyone cares about is 1.26

uh okay what are we talking about canada is just a road and a handful of bridges in a trench coat. Kind of, yeah. No! No, we're real! I swear! I was always confused by the South Park joke. And then I was reading the news however many years ago when one of those bridges did go down. And they were talking about how Canada was temporarily split in half. And I was like, wait. And I looked on a map and I was like, whoa.

It literally comes down to one road. In my preteens leading up to, you know, thinking about that I would become a driver at some point, I asked my mom to explain to me, because I hear the terms thrown around a lot, to explain to me the difference between a highway and another road. lot to explain to me the difference between a highway and another road and the reason for that is that one of the major arteries that um we would travel on regularly one low heat highway at the part of low heat highway where we would turn off into like our our neighborhood like our residential region um at that part it had traffic lights um it was only two lanes not not two and two like two lanes one each way with not even a shoulder like i don't mean i don't mean you know no fancy, fancy paved shoulder, no sidewalk.

I mean, it actually didn't have a shoulder. Not only that, but the left turn that we had to make into our neighborhood wasn't even traffic light controlled, and there wasn't a left turning lane. You would just stop in the middle of this supposed highway to perform a left turn. And the worst part is that that was very rarely a problem. stop in the middle of this supposed highway to perform a left turn and the worst part is that that was very rarely a problem I grew up in Ruskin okay cool what are we talking about YouTube finally relaxes their overly restrictive profanity policy. Sort of.

So does that mean I can say words like f*** and f***? Yeah, so... I think so. The sort of is that it's relaxed. It's not gone. I think some people interpreted this as like, oh, we can just do whatever we want now. It's like, no, it's not gone.

Do go on. We're just chilling out a little bit. James has a note here that on thursday we had a short circuit video receive limited monetization because the host said penis lamp at the 23 second mark penis lamp really yeah okay yeah are you gonna elaborate on this nope no one gets any topic information at all. Never mind. Recap. In November, YouTube changed its advertiser-friendly guidelines

to be far harsher to obscene language. We talked about that on the WAN show, among other things. Communication was poor, and the language of the new guidelines was vague. The changes applied retroactively, which is the most brutal part. Super cool. Resulting in previously acceptable content being demonetized without creators knowing why now after a few months of soul searching youtube has announced a new set of does google have a soul okay sorry i don't know about that

uh their language is still somewhat vague and it does not address all creator complaints, but there are now clearer examples of what is and isn't acceptable. Examples are always great in these situations. Videos containing moderate profanity like asshole or douchebag or occasional strong profanity like outside the first seven seconds of a video are eligible for full monetization. Oh, so I didn't even have to bleep that but i felt like it anyways videos containing strong profanity in the first seven seconds or throughout the majority of the video like are eligible for limited monetization rather than no monetization holding it works luke but okay does it not i'm not sure it should it's just a tone right dan yes it works hey you hold it for as long as you want okay yeah i thought so it's just a tone

um videos demonetized after november's changes will apparently be re-reviewed in the coming weeks interesting so stay tuned and maybe your livelihood something. Maybe. According to YouTube, November's changes wound up being far harsher than they had actually intended. There's a discussion question. YouTube has to balance its relationship with advertisers and its relationship with creators. Is it striking the right balance? Is it enough to fix these oversteps after the fact? I think the biggest problem is that it was retroactive and it didn't have it wasn't

clear enough yeah so as long as they're communicating clearly and they're not going back through your catalog i think that the longer youtube exists the more they're going to have to reckon with the fact that some of the content on their platform was and this isn't an excuse there's an edgelord era on youtube but it was from a different time yeah and so whether that's whether that means that yeah i don't i don't know how to i don't i don't know that i don't know the best way to deal with that because i i can see how how uh an advertiser with modern sensibilities might look at that old content that some people are still totally watching and go, um, actually, no, that's not really what I signed up for. I mean, it's been,

it's been kind of, uh, it's been kind of eyeopening. I, I've, I've just sort of randomly here and there picked up episodes of, you know, old shows that i hadn't watched in a long time from like the early 2000s and just the casual um the casual sort of gay humor casual use of the hard r um oh really it's jarring yeah it's it's jarring now and casual use of hard r yeah yeah absolutely like uh like okay it was an episode of american dad and it was just like yeah it wasn't for shock value it was just just like used whoa right well i mean here's the thing right that was in 2003 or something like 2002 yeah like i'm not gonna i'm not gonna deny that i dropped my fair share of hard r's back then because we didn't even the term hard r didn't even exist we didn't think about it right and it's funny because to me that doesn't feel like

that long ago but to my kids are you talking like n-word hard r what no okay i'm pretty sure that's how people use that term no i think that's the N-word. What are you guys talking about? Am I mistaken? I think so. No, the one with the uh, like for mental disability.

I'm pretty sure people use hard R in a very different way than you just used it. Oh. Okay, either way. Hard R means ending the N word with a hard R. I understand what you mean. No, I'm not talking about that. Okay, cool. So, I'm glad that we cleared that up. I'm freaking Neo

over here, dude. We're dodging bullets. That was bad. Okay, yes. Alright. Thank you for that. Right. I forgot about the part where I said, yeah, I just like used a cat-cat. No, uh, actually. That's what I was like, I was pretty surprised with American Dad, and then you were like, yeah, me too. I was like, whoa! Yeah, no, you've known me a long time.

Yeah, that's why, yeah. And, yeah. Never been a problem. No. Anywho. Yeah, that's what yeah, and yeah, never been a problem. No We can breathe everything's okay cool, so I hope everyone likes not having a job anymore on Monday Apparently I'm a giant race. We didn't lose our money in the in the bank crash In the audience run all right we're good okay we're good um so anywho the point is that to like to my kids 2002 2003 is a long time oh yeah it's kind of like you know 10 years before I was born. 1976 is a long time ago to me.

It's all relative. It's like, yeah, peace and love, hippies. That's a world that I never coexisted with. And so it was interesting to me how jarring it was, even though, like I said, to me, people casually using the R word then, is that better? I think so. Okay, casually using the R word was, yeah, it was surprising. All right.

So, why don't we do a couple merge messages? Okay. That sounds like a good idea to me. Okay. This is from Romeo. Would you guys consider a hot dog or a burger a form of sandwich? Or would they be their own food category? No, I hate it when McDonald's calls their burgers sandwiches.

A, because they're burgers and b because i think that sandwich has a connotation associated with it that whatever the thing is is actual food and i strongly disagree that anything mcdonald's sells is food heck yeah okay you want another one? These conversations make me uncomfortable. It's like when people ask if cereal is soup. Like, I don't even... No. I don't want to... Cereal is cereal. You would never eat soup dry, but you can eat cereal dry. That's the distinction. Never had, like, a packet of ramen without cooking it. Oh, crap. Haha. See, this is why I just don't... I don't even want to have the conversation. I don't want to know. I want to live in ignorance. It's just food categories. It's not gonna affect my life. I don't like- you can't improve my life by convincing me that that cereal is soup.

I just- I'm just better off where I am. Sorry, dude. Yeah, this is awful because because yeah you feel like it's a milk base but so is a cream of broccoli soup granola bar uh granola bar if you were to take cream of broccoli soup and like freeze dry it into a bar what if you freeze it into a popsicle type yeah exactly um okay this is making me uncomfortable let's move move on. See? Yeah. I don't like it. Next one's up from Jacob. Happy Friday, guys. I'm an IT engineer that is often disappointed by mature technologies or protocols.

What consumer or enterprise tech disappoints you most? Example, Bluetooth, printers, AV, SMB, et cetera. Oh, I mean, well, you nailed it on printers. Printers is just too easy. Yeah, that's a super low-hanging fruit. Yeah. Man, I feel like this is the sort of thing that I rant about all the time. I would say voice recognition is a huge disappointment for me. Not because it's terrible compared to what we started with,

but because the promises were so much better than what we ended up with. It took me four attempts to call my wife the other night. I said, call Yvonne Ho Mobile. And the first time it got Yvonne Home Mobile, which I don't have a home number listed for her. So I don't know why it would think Yvonne anything, home anything, because there is no home number. So it was just like, I'm sorry, who do you want to reach?

And then I said, Yvonne Ho Mobile. And it goes, Yvonne How Mobile. I don then I said Yvonne ho mobile and it goes Yvonne how? Mobile I don't have any Vaughn how in my address book so I try again Yvonne ho mobile And it goes and all men this is the thing that makes me most angry You know how it'll do like the like like it'll it'll kind of try to Transcribe it to text as you're talking so So it got it. Yvonne Ho Mobile. And then it changed it. Like, no!

You were so close! You had a perfect match for something on my physical storage of my device! And you undid it! Yeah, that annoys me. I'm going to pick mine as Windows really and this is actually kind of why because like I actually and I know a bunch of people might disagree

with me and I don't really care about that part but I actually quite like the design aspect of Windows 11 right I like how it looks I even have been won over by the taskbar thing being in the middle yeah no no you're objectively wrong I'm okay with that because there's an option to move it been won over by the taskbar thing being in the middle. Yeah. No, no. You're objectively wrong.

I'm okay with that because there's an option to move it. So I don't care. Oh, sure. Fine. But like leaving it in the middle is objectively wrong. Sure. But you can put it to the side if you want. So it doesn't really matter.

Right. But the search has been completely bastardized. The search just like doesn't work. Yeah. It's amazing how bad the search is since Windows 10. That should not be possible It shouldn't like that. It's remarkable crazy Absolutely crazy the search is like the main thing which is like almost four in a user experience way at this point

And it's garbage like that's the start menu not the same Yeah, you said Windows, but the start menu is has been windows No, I mean Windows in general, and I'll get into more points in a second. All right. Okay. All right. So the start menu is atrocious, and most users aren't going into things like control panel these days and stuff, to be completely honest. Most users are not.

Yeah, that's fair. So most user interaction with Windows at this point is just the start menu, and the start menu is rough. Or the desktop. Yeah, fair enough. I know a lot of people who just fart everything onto their desktop. The computer is the desktop and the start menu. the start menu is rough or the desktop i yeah i know a lot of people who just just fart everything onto the desktop start menu yeah fair enough the other reason why i'm frustrated is there's certain things that like i feel like windows should be doing at this point

that it's not and one of those was like i was talking to my brother about this the other day because he needed to send me or send someone or me. I don't know what the situation was but a file transfer needed to happen. I Get it How's there no share menu like you have on Android and iOS and Mac OS basically everything else? Yeah, how is there no built-in screen recording? I don't know and like how at this point in time I should be able to have and it shouldn't have to go through OneDrive, okay, it should be able to tunnel directly. I should be able to have and it shouldn't have to go through one drive okay it should be able to tunnel directly i should be able to have a family group and if my brother wants to share me some big file yeah there should it should be able to set up an

encrypted thing between us and handle it you i think i want to revise my answer because file sharing it has got to be it for me yeah and like how windows hasn't taken care of that how is it that i'm sitting here next to you and we cannot transfer at line speed over a simple a to a usb cable or at full wi-fi speed over the hotspot we are both connected to without going through some some onerous tedious handshaking authentication system it's like no i it's fine it's that guy it's okay just chill uh or the fact that my phone is sitting here and it's not as simple as just like beep boop and it's on and now there are ways to do that like for example there's actually pretty good uh file browsing apps where you can just dump files into smb shares on

android and on ios for that matter which is more impressive to me but it all needs to be premeditated i can't just spontaneously be sitting in a coffee shop next to someone that i'm meeting and go here let me just drag and drop this file over to you that is if windows 12 doesn't have that i'm going to be sitting there going what the f**k have they actually been working on this is this is like i understand there have been improvements okay so don't just hold on but what out of the user experience but not user experience in the way that you use Windows, what has really changed that much since like Vista? Almost nothing.

Yeah. Vista was, Vista, underrated. And I don't even necessarily want to get into that. But like, but like seriously,

there have been improvements. Yes, there's been a bunch of improvements. There's the shell thing now, there's all this kind of stuff. But for the average normie user, I don't believe that their Windows experience has really been improved since maybe, you know,

maybe the average computer can run it a little better now. Stuff like that. But like, that's not really on them. And search was better in Vista. Search was better. It had some innovations that have actually gone away. Like the games folder that would organize all

your games for you yeah like that was pretty cool now every every piece of software that has to do with gaming has decided they're gonna do it so i have 87 different game managers on my computer because every graphics thing is like oh you can launch our games through us as if anyone's gonna do that and then also steam and then also everything else it's like oh my god it's just there's the fact that the the games for windows live is so terrible is really frustrating like games for windows live imagine an actually really good version of like the the pc xbox app that's hard it was live i know because it's always bad basically just the worst possible drm but imagine you were like the pm of that and you could drive

the direction made it awesome yeah it could be maybe because you have to get the games industry to cooperate with you so that's tough if there's a more fragmented industry um i i haven't but it has potential that has been squandered that's true that's fair and like there's so there's so much you could do with windows to just make it an awesome experience and it's just steve j3d says i'm hearing 30 day vista challenge no that would actually be very risky for people like us because of security yeah yeah we'd be uh we might get harpooned um but like really i'm thinking back to like okay from xp to vista yeah there was some changes in like how i use the computer but at this point like my os upgrades have been for compatibility reasons only yeah i have genuinely not wanted a new os since seven yeah like at all and i look back at screenshots of xp

and i feel nostalgic and i like like the aesthetic and stuff i look back at screenshots of seven and i'm like oh yeah i can just use that now it'd be completely fine yeah like i don't know it's it's it's very it's been disappointing to me um i think that's fair yeah um plus no drivers for vista yeah but like those are the reasons why people are upgrading compatibility drivers security stuff like that it's not like oh wow there's this new feature in the new one that is really compelling i can now just because it's my brother and i'm in the microsoft family group or whatever i can just send them whatever i file file i want from wherever in the world microsoft's gonna find a way to tunnel us we don't have to pay for some extra service it should be

fine but that's just not possible search is just borked so like i can't find local files because it's constantly just binging things this is like oh my goodness like it's so rough i don't know like it's even it's like even worse than the voice thing you were describing where it's like it's trying to interpret voice and it gets it right and then corrects it to wrong, which is really bad and dumb. I literally typed this in. Yeah. And it's just like you left no room for misinterpretation.

And it still is like, ah, there's some local files, but I'm not going to bring them up. I'm just going to bring it like stop. I thought you liked Binging uh they wow that's super cool gen carlos are uh basically uh charity raising thing that's awesome oh that's sweet yeah i don't i don't want to get into llms because honestly until gpt4 comes out it's like not that interesting but bing has been neutered super hard uh let's talk about a new product on ltt store but not the one that we're actually launching this week we are planning a collab with the original makers of the mod mat mod right oh yeah we have we have reached an agreement in principle to move forward, licensing their trademarks and patents

to create a ModMat product. But right now we're in the very, very early stages. We obviously have some ideas of what we want to make it the best possible ModMat on the market. You know, obviously the place to start for us was collaborating with the creators of the original, but there are some things that we want to add. So I don't know how many of these are going to make it from my wishlist into an actual physical product, but some of the ideas that we've had

are heat resistant. Dan, I was thinking of you. Heat resistance, so if anyone were to accidentally leave a soldering iron or a hot glue gun or something like that on one. Did he do this? No, no. I just, I just, I think of Dan sometimes. I gotta go back to HQ too. Hold on. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, so if someone were to leave a hot item on it. Somebody should already type in Matty McMatt face. No. Um, I'd love to have some kind of embedded, like, screw management, like kind of like embedded magnets so that you could kind of just stick, like iron-containing screws or ferrous screws or whatever else. Screw sorting area built into the mat.

Yeah, onto like a little spot, or maybe it could be an attachment. I don't know. There's lots of different ideas. One idea we have already that I'd really like to move forward with is right now like whether you pick up one from uline or even the original mod mat or anything like that the way that you attach an anti-static strap to it is with that awful like button interface i know it's industry standard or whatever it's like that that's fine but what if you could make it modular so what if you had a really strong magnetic interface that you can stick the button thing on so that every time you attach your strap it just sticks onto there then you could

theoretically use it for something else then you could have different pieces so you could have a little um like a little okay like you know like those little wrist strap um things so they have like a like a little bar and then you put a thing through it and you tie a wrist strap onto it so you could just have like a little bar that you could clip an alligator clamp to because i mean that's super annoying right when you have one of those button interface ones and then you have a wrist strap that has an alligator clamp you're like this doesn't really this doesn't really go on here so if you could have like a modular interface for that and it could be magnetic uh that was one of the ideas that i had um yeah i so anyway the point is that there is a post in the merch section of the forum so if you guys have any creative ideas for what you'd like to see in a mod mat

talk about what you look for what you like like, what you dislike, your favorite, your least favorite, and why. And if you think there are any key features that are missing from any mod mats that are currently on the market, and we are going to try to address it. We want to make the best darn mod mat. And like I said, really, really excited to be starting from a place where we're working with, like, the original creators of the mod mat. Pretty, pretty cool. I actually still have my original ModRite mod mat on my build station at home in the basement. That's cool. And that was one of the things that sort of prompted me to finally get off my butt and ask someone else to do something for me.

I was like, Nick was the one who reached out. You noticed, like, this is a little old. Yeah, it's pretty old. And I was like, yeah, like, what happened to these guys? Oh, they're still around? Okay. Why don't we reach out? Because I think that would be awesome.

Very excited. Can you buy theirs anymore? I actually don't know. That's a good question. I don't seem to be able to on their site. But I don't know. They still have copyright 2013 which is pretty sick oh yeah it's actually mentioned this before the show

they're still advertising Firefox 3 cool oh there you go yeah I recognize that for sure hey look at this hey boxing this video must still be around wow that's awesome mod right mod mad unboxing video just casual nine year old video june 13 2013 almost 10 years old nice nice wow that's awesome oh No, this is the one. Or wait, is this the one I have at home? I'm not sure. It might be the bigger one. Oh, no, it wasn't seeing it at home that prompted me. It was seeing the one on Dan's desk.

So I have one of these, and then Dan, you have one of these on your desk too, right? That's right. Yeah, I do all my electronics on it. I came with my desk. This one, right? That's the one, yeah. Yeah, that might be the one I'm still using. Oh my god, I'm having

my own starstruck moment. I get to use Linus' mod bed. Just relax, okay? But yes, that is the actual one from that video nine years ago. Still going strong nine years later, right? It's literally perfect. I would not have guessed that it's been in use

for nine years. It's amazing. We're going for it. I'm really excited. I think we've got the right starting point. I think we've got some really good ideas to evolve what is sitting at my build station and what's on your desk. That's going to

be good. Okay, we will finally talk about the product we're launching this week. I didn't let Luke touch it, but this is one that has been in the works for good gravy i'm pretty sure we started this before bridget joined whoa okay wait no is that quite right no no it must have been very early in her tenure so it's been well over a year in development. So we completely missed an entire spring, winter, fall cycle of availability that we had targeted. And we are now through the fall and winter and getting dangerously close to the spring of the next target for it. But we wanted to take the time to get it right and it's finally here it's the 3d down jacket do i do i go now we did a oh is that wait which one

that's yours that's yours oh no this isn't mine this is the small i have mine in my backpack yeah i know okay so yeah you get you get to you get to play with it now. So what's really cool about this thing is the material. It feels nice. Sometimes you start the product development process with a garment you're trying to create. The shirt that Luke is wearing, for example. We set out to create a t-shirt that was really comfortable and blah, blah, blah, etc. And we sought a material to make it out of. They can't see any of that.

Actually, Dan, do you wanna man the camera? Hold on, let me redo it. With the 3D down jacket, we found this really cool material. It's not quite down, it's not quite 3D printed, but there is a down layer out of the i believe it's 11 layers on the jacket uh let me double check this is 3d printed down fabric features stain resistant breathable four-way stretch lightweight heat retention wind resistant water resistant it's not

okay it's not 3d printed in the same way that you would imagine like a plastic part. But it is an additive process. Did I just? Oh, hello, Dan. I was like, is this a video of how it's made? Wow. But it is laid down with an additive process that deposits the fibers rather than weaving them. So what that allows you to do is it allows you to have this kind of cobweb pattern that puts room between them for better breathability, and it also makes the insulation absolutely fantastic for the thickness.

So yeah, check it out. The outer shell is a blend of nylon and spandex. I'm assuming this is YKK? Of course. YKK zipper, water resistant? Yep. Of course. All the seams are taped I believe it's

18,000 millimeters of water resistance. We never call anything waterproof water resistance internal internal pockets But what's really special about it is the the 3d the 3d down or a 3d printed down or whatever you kind of want to call it there is a down component to it but the the interior material because it's super insulated it's really comfy so if you're the kind of person like me and like i assume luke who would just be in a t-shirt even in fairly adverse weather but might want a jacket when he goes outside. It's really, really nice on the skin. We spent a lot of time on getting the fit just right. There is a little bit of stretch in the outer shell, though. It's breathable with good wind resistance.

It's reasonably water resistant. It's lightweight. I just absolutely love this thing. It looks really sharp. Is there any branding on it? Just a little bit. I haven't seen any. On the very bottom right, I think,

um, of the bottom there. Yeah, if you stand up, maybe we'll be able to see it. Whoop, whoop, and he whacks the, and he whacks the thing. There's a little, uh, can you see it? There's like little dots that make a little LTT. We're going for really subtle branding on this. We wanted it to just look really clean. I'm trying to show it off.

It's a little hard. Yeah, don't worry about it. It's fine. The point is that it's, yeah, it's light. It's comfy. It's super, super warm for the weight. And the hood is big enough. That was something that we actually really struggled with.

Yeah. I like huge hoods they're good because if you wanted to wear like a toque or something under it you actually can but there's two things that um okay again this took a while um you can adjust the hood such that and the way that it pulls on it it doesn't have to be huge and then there's adjustments around the bottom as well um another thing that took us kind of forever. Yeah, there's another one on the other side. Another thing that took us forever to get right is the adhesive on the sleeves. So the sleeves air a little bit on the long side because we've gotten really good feedback from people

about long sleeves. But obviously, if you want them to stay in place, you're going to have to have adjuster things. Okay, but hold that up to the mic while you rip it off it's really strong yeah it will not come off and it's not like your typical hook and loop fastener if you look at it closely it's like oh a really cool one that really definitely super does not come apart funky yeah so this is a nice like almost like rubbery like soft touch textile to it too. Yeah sure I am So So happy with this thing. It's really nice. It's really expensive. Thanks Dan it's a $250 jacket like Our cost is pretty high these materials are feels too nice to not be really expensive

but like uh yeah it is what it is people i you know it's a it's a really funny thing whenever we talk about pricing for stuff there's two camps there's the oh my god i would never spend more than 30 on a jacket camp and then there's the which is fine that seems cheap i would never spend less than 600 on a jacket camp this is also fine i guess and then there's shockingly little middle ground it's it's a really it's a really interesting it's a really interesting thing seeing everyone's different perception of value um yeah i don't know it's interesting it's an interesting observation um wb something anyway whatever in twitch chat says 250 without apparent branding is weird i feel like people who shop on ltTT want it to be known. We want it to stand without the brand.

That's a big part of what we're doing. I was happy that there was subtle branding. I like that personally. I've seen a lot of people picking them up in the merch messages today and I'm looking forward to seeing people's feedback on the store. If you're not convinced, don't believe me. believe what people post on the store i mean our our reviews

are basically always excellent i really like the feel of the materials i'm really confident in this one yeah this one's a killer um it's taken long enough i want ltd branding low-key i get that i could see people wanting it i just i so i am someone who went to a lot of a lot of shows i went to a lot of conventions and my clothing for many many years was effectively comprised of convention gaming companies yeah tech companies yeah and now it's comprised of ltd store merch yeah um uh and it's it's kind of nice to have some nice things like this is a very nice jacket it's not a cheap jacket i'm kind of happy that it isn't covered in branding right like i could you could wear this out to somewhere very nice yeah of course and it

would look really sharp because it's really sharp the thing is that like stuff is designed a lot of the time for like i need to wear it yeah yeah and i don't want to be like you guys gotta think about this right on saturday i don't want to be a billboard for ltd actually i don't want to get approached because people recognize the merch necessarily. So when we were putting together like an outerwear item, I'm kind of sitting here going once in a while, like I'm into it. I'll wear my swack it out or whatever. But if it's raining and miserable and I'm cranky, I just want a black jacket. Don't talk to me. To be clear, it's fine. It's fine to talk to me. I'm cranky. I just want a black jacket. Don't talk to me.

To be clear, it's fine to talk to me. I'm super down. I just mean I don't want it to be so loud. It's also kind of better, at least in my opinion, if someone just recognizes you as you instead of being like, I have seen that logo on the internet. You must be the guy. You know?

I don't know. That's me at least. All right. Let's move on. on next topic secret shopper update um no details on the date but obviously at some point we will be working on another round of secret shopper or maybe we're already working on it who knows uh but during the last round the company that wound up well behind the pack was Dell Alienware. After promising up and down, after the first secret shopper, that they had completely overhauled their customer service standards, their terrible, pushy customer service got us an overpriced, underperforming gaming computer that earned them dead last. Dell is once again asking you to...

Sorry. Dell is once again promising that they've changed. They've really changed this time. And they have instated extensive diagnostics and quality control measures to find gaps in their customer service. They also claim that they have dialed back sales incentives and increased focus on customer satisfaction scores, which was a key criticism that we made about the incentives for their sales team at the time. There is no word on whether they've increased base salary for reps, which we also brought up, and is a key part of what makes those commission incentives so tantalizing, because as far as I could tell, these people were desperate, absolutely desperate,

to sell these warranties and uh on-site services and uh financing because clearly there was i don't know sometimes you get a vibe sometimes right where it's like this is not just training like this is survival yeah was how i felt about it yeah um so i told dell all right i'll pass this along but i'm not your pr department i'm not a mouthpiece for you guys i am passing this along for only one reason the reason i'm passing it along is so that now you guys and us and Dell are all on the same page that it should be really good. So when Secret Shopper happens or happened, I really hope that we do not find the same things that we did last time. Yeah. Because unprompted. Okay okay this is an email that

landed in my inbox hold on a second let me let me just let me just check something real quick here because i think it was it it was pretty much out of the blue like out of absolutely nowhere here uh here we go okay so my first outreach about this was in 2020 um so i heard from my dell contact who put me in touch with uh director of communications for client solutions group something something something something okay and i basically went yeah you know uh good luck with that okay i didn't hear anything for over a year since december of 2020 and then i randomly got an email from this person on january the 6th and then i just have put off dealing with it until then um but it's like this long thing. Oh,

that's pretty much like, here's all the ways that we're fixing everything. And so I'm sitting here going, if you are completely unprompted, essentially going to send me this list of ways that you're doing way better. Something might've changed. I expect it to darn well be better when it comes time to have a look at it. Yeah.

So good luck with that that time might not be now we still can't tell you uh what else do you want to talk about i'm kind of scrolling through right now we did all the main topics it looks like farewell to the fair phone too see ya yeah uh it'll have its last security update this month seven years wow after it first launched. They only promised three to five years of updates back in 2015, and they will apparently continue to sell parts while supplies last. If you wish to continue using a Fairphone 2, you'll have the option of installing a custom ROM like LineageOS or trading it in for a 50-euro voucher for Fairphone's eStore.

So the discussion question here is, it's clearly possible to make a profit with a modular, long-lasting phone. What would happen if a major manufacturer took the lead with a genuinely sustainable, high-powered phone? Well, hell would freeze over, I guess, because the direction the industry's been going

has been the complete opposite of that. Yeah, not that. And I don't know, their investors would probably be mad because I don't think you can make as much money. I mean, that's the problem, right? I think we've proven with LTT store that you can,

you can make money and not be super toxic about it, but can you make enough to satisfy investors because it's not enough to be profitable i mean we've talked about this a ton you have to be more profitable than the other guy and more profitable than last year yeah yeah it's just in in a finite world how can you how can you expect infinite growth? And like a lot of different places, even if they can't have growth, it doesn't mean they're not successful. Yeah. Their current amount of profit might be very healthy and they might have saturated the market and that's fine and

they can keep doing better and they keep innovating to keep that profit level where it is and that's not a bad thing but places just only go on growth yeah people talk about yeah it's never enough to satisfy investors yeah 100 exactly um speaking of investors asetek says they are optimistic despite rough financial seas. So Asetek, you might not know of them because they don't have much of a consumer-facing brand anymore, but they are best known for their LCLC or low-cost liquid cooling solutions, the likes of which that you would have seen over the years resold by companies like Corsair. I mean, Corsair or, I mean,

Corsair, I think is really the biggest partner, but also system integrators. They had a pretty weak last year and they have now reported a 47% drop in revenue in the fourth quarter of 2022 compared to 2021. The tech sector is taking an absolute pounding. Like, I mean that in every sense. It's bad.

You see, Intel's last results are like, they lost like $700 million or something like that. Like, I'm just, I'm looking at this going, holy shnikes, are these guys gonna survive? Oh yeah, they are. They're just gonna lay everyone off. Okay, cool. So that's great.

But anyway, they reported a 47% drop in revenue in the fourth quarter of 2022 compared to 2021. I remember thinking about this when the pandemic boom happened. And all those computer sales happened. And I was like, okay. Yeah. You guys are riding high on this and you're super excited. But here's the thing.

There's a finite number of computers that I need. Yeah. And I feel like it's a lot more than what most people need like i'm i'm obviously kidding i have a lot of computers and partially due to the conversation we had earlier about windows but also due to a lot of other reasons there isn't a huge reason to upgrade that quickly these days. The upgrade cycle has, from what I can see, gotten longer. And so if you guys are selling twice as many computers today, there's going to be a reckoning.

Sorry, I got to throw this out there. Jarnathan in Flowplane Chat saying the tech sector is getting straight up LTT bagged is hilarious and very topical. Thank you for that. So the reckoning is here. People just don't need a new computer. Yeah. I really do think it's partly economic uncertainty,

but also partly people just straight up not needing a new computer. And when there's economic uncertainty, wants somewhat go out the window, right? So like, even if you're like, oh, I could run this game slightly faster. Most games are really easy to run these days anyways, to be completely honest, but yeah.

They reported an overall operating loss of $5.4 million in part due to property equipment and development investments of 22.4 million in part due to property, equipment, and development investments of $22.2 million. This drop is likely due to the same market contractions that have been affecting other computer parts manufacturers. In the same quarter, they announced their 8th gen coolers and sales are currently trending slowly upwards, so they believe the market is stabilizing and that they have the financial health to maintain operations until conditions improve. Anyway, the main reason for this is not that I think you guys particularly care about Asetek, but it was just an excuse to talk about how that

boom and bust has definitely happened. And it's, yeah, it's kind of scary because there's definitely going to be some smaller players that are struggling more than the Intels and AMDs and Microsofts of the world. Speaking of struggling, have you ever struggled to get your printer to work after you installed third-party ink because HP was all like, **** you, and pushed a firmware that prevented the use of ink cartridges

without HP chips in them? This sucks. Oh, yeah. This sucks so much. Oh, yeah. I love my old Samsung laser printer. I have like an ML 2010 or something like that, yeah. This sucks so much. Oh, yeah. I love my old Samsung laser printer. I have like an ML 2010 or something like that, 2020. I can't remember.

It was like, it has a sticker on it that's like, world's most compact color laser printer. So whichever one that is. And when Samsung sold their printer business to HP, I didn't really think about it at the time. Did they update it? But the only way that HP could extract a ton of value from that, aside from just eliminating a competitor, had to be to engage in these kinds of toxic anti-consumer practices. Oh, yeah.

HP is essentially making it so your printer won't work if you have ink in it that doesn't have an HP chip in it. They've engaged in similar behavior for years using the rationale, and this is a joke. I remember back at NCIX, I had to sit through a presentation like this from an HP rep explaining the consumer benefits of first-party ink, and I'm sitting here going, you know I have whole here going, you know, you know, I have like whole jars of ink at home and I'm a, I'm a keep using them with my little syringes, right? Like they,

and they're talking about like the technology of the nano droplets or whatever. I'm like, yeah, sure. If I was a professional printing house by all means, but I just need to hand in my stupid report and I need a colored bar graph on it or whatever. Like I don't. So they've used the rationale that they're ensuring the customer experience, but courts in three different countries have ruled against them in multiple class action lawsuits with penalties worth millions of dollars. That's the problem though. Millions of dollars is just cost of doing business to a company that's operating at HP scale.

We've been talking about wimpy fines on the WAN show the whole time the WAN show has existed. I'm so tired of it. They need to crank these. It needs to actually hurt the companies. When the fine is significantly less than the profit they're going to have by just continuing to do it. There's this quote of somebody talking about how certain things are just different for the rich. And it's talking about parking downtown. And they're like, yeah, a parking ticket for some people is really brutal.

A parking ticket for other people is just like how you pay to park your car. They don't actually care. It doesn't matter. It doesn't impact them. It's still more efficient for them to just park illegally and pay the fine than it is to go park properly it's the same problem final fantasy tactics doesn't have a great translation in its original north american release but this is a gem uh we graph says if the penalty for a crime is a fine, that law only exists for the lower classes. That's 100% true. Yeah.

Yeah. Totally. And this fine, if it's not more than what they're benefiting from doing this, they're just going to keep doing it because they're still profiting off of it. It doesn't work. Have you still not played Final Fantasy Tactics? No. It is so good.

It is so good. I think they released it on Android. There is no excuse, sir. You need to play Final Fantasy Tactics because aside from the stellar gameplay, and it really is good, and it really does hold up, the story is outstanding. Everything is morally ambiguous,

and it's not clear who the good guys are and who the bad guys are, and it's deep, and it's wonderful. who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. And it's deep and it's wonderful. What is Waddle? Waddle. Or War of the Lions. Is it Final Fantasy Tactics War of the Lions? Well, it depends.

So one of the releases, I think like the advanced release, I don't know. There's multiple releases of the game. War of the Lions, I think, is like a more updated version of it. Okay. Yeah.

Final Fantasy Tactics, so good so good uh amd drivers have been borking computers with a rare bug um they can put computers into a boot loop rendering them inoperable amd has acknowledged the problem a month after it was first noticed and has helped at least one computer journalist through a complicated workaround the glitch only occurs when installing the the AMD GPU driver, opting for a factory reset clean installation, then having the misfortune of having Windows automatically update in the background. It's always Windows update. Speaking of things that just should be way better by now. No permanent fix yet exists, but it can be avoided by updating Windows before performing any installations. have some ltx

expo updates oh this is exciting asus rog is our title sponsor for ltx 2023 let's go thanks asus rog also ubiquity is our title sponsor for the whale land i knew they were going to provide networking equipment but that's awesome. Since when does Ubiquiti ever spend money? Well, that's a legitimate question. That's fair. It's like asking when does NVIDIA ever spend money? Actually, it's not like asking that,

because the difference is that Ubiquiti has a philosophy of building products that sell themselves, and NVIDIA is just the cheapest on the entire face of the earth. It's a completely separate problem. And, oh, this is cool, Epic Games XPC Build Simulator 2 sponsorship

for the water cooling workshop booth. We're also going to be working with EK Waterblocks. Details coming in a future update. I haven't seen Rod in the chat today, but I assume you guys are coming up right got it i mean if bob and rod aren't there is it really ltx i don't have they missed one i don't know if they were at the first one were they at the first one 2017 was the first one right trying to remember that was the first one's like uh it's a blur for me. They weren't involved in running the first one.

I know that, but they, they have hosted booths for us at the last couple. And those guys are absolutely good ones. Chad's yeah. Rod's in there. I'll be at LTX. Heck yeah. Has anyone reached out to you about like doing something at LTX though? Cause we'd love to have you.

We'd love to have both of you there. I know, I know you can't necessarily speak for bob bob but yeah we can take this conversation offline like literally offline um and we can chat yeah this is this is awesome oh they had a wall pewter at the first one oh that's right cool yes so they have been involved as exhibitors every single time oh i love it it wouldn't be it wouldn't be LTX without Bob and Rod. Okay, cool. Looking forward to it.

Oh, what else? Oh, hide image URLs on stream. Okay. Oh, this is awesome. We're going to have some special designer edition desk pads. What exactly these have to do with LTX?tx hard to say but our designers have been hard at work creating some of the coolest desk pads that you are ever going to see i'm going to start with sarah's design what do you think these are i i've i've sneak peeked oh you looked at all them dang

it luke these are actually so sick come on on, man. I really like the... Did you play Far Cry... Blood whatever? Blood whatever, yeah. I like glanced at it. I didn't really play play it. I should. It gives me... You don't have to play through the whole thing. Okay. Just like give it like an hour or two. It's fun and then it gets old.

But it's fun for the first bit. It reminds me a lot of that and it's great. I love the colors. I love the, like, pixelization. The prehistoric tech, you know, and Sarah's a big dinosaur lady, I think, would be one way of putting it.

Very cool. So that's one of them. The next one to show you guys is from Lloyd, who is one of our longtime designers that many of you will probably have... If you've ever bought anything from LTTstore.com... Let's say this. If you've bought more than one thing from LTTstore.com, there's a solid chance you've worn a Lloyd pen.

Okay? So he did a Vancouver skyline. I think this is cool as specifically potentially a memorabilia piece for LTX itself yes we're like I don't know if we're on in frame here we're gonna be here okay yeah that is it yeah so here's the convention center and then we've got some other iconic elements of the Vancouver skyline super cool I haven't seen this actually printed yet. I really hope that IRL, it's as vibrant and bold as the work that he's done here. But super cool. And then finally, this is, well, a new person you'll be meeting.

Some of you, if you just like kind of hang around on our corporate website, might know Maria. Or you might see her in, you know, shorts or behind the scenes or stuff like that. But she, aside from just doing our thumbnails, also has some pretty strong design chops so she put together what she's calling zero gravity gaming which is just a really fun uh vibrant design um that i man when i saw this i i actually they didn't tell me who did it and i didn't manage to guess because i confess i kind of thought of her as the thumbnail person and not as just like well because it does other things yeah i don't think thumbnails make yeah we didn't really hire her as a graphic designer i mean sort of because thumbnails are that but we didn't we didn't intend to to to have her just like do general design work like

especially not for like merch or whatever but i think she did an absolutely bang up job i absolutely love it yeah so the only hard part is going to be figuring out which one to choose someone's asking so are these local only so you can only get these at ltx i don't know they say ltx 2023 on the like image frame um but yeah i don't know i'm not sure i'm super excited though i'm super excited they though. I'm super excited. They're super cool. Yeah, super sweet. We should do some merch messages. Dan, hit me. All right.

I've got an anonymous one here. Linus and Luke regarding lab funding. Have you thought about trying to secure grants from the government? Consumer research and testing feels like something it might be possible to get grants for. Are we doing any shred credit stuff not for my team i i'm pretty sure not yet at least i'm pretty sure there's some stuff that we're doing that is eligible for shred credits which are like a tax uh like a tax credit um i know that for some people working on the lab team,

because what they're doing is directly, uh, involved in video production, uh, we can be eligible for some, um, uh, production services,

tax credits. I gotta be honest with you guys. We are, we are not the best when it comes to optimizing our, our tax credits and stuff. Yeah. I don't think we've actually, like,

I think we've submitted, but not collected any going all the way back to like 2018 or 2019. I don't think we've submitted 2021 or 2022. It's not out of laziness. It's just extremely complicated. And I know, I know, I know companies downtown that are smaller than us that have employees on staff, some of them more than one, who their entire full-time job, they do nothing else, is to capture government grants.

And we don't have anyone that does that. Yeah. It actually takes like a lot of time. They make it quite the arduous process we've we've complained we've complained about this on the show before because it means the people who need it most yes have the hardest time getting it yeah which is stupid yep we've complained about that in regards to cavco publicly before uh but it's true about all of it like it just yeah now people are talking about like loopholes or avoidance this is not loopholes or avoidance this is this is like

financial aid from the government to support certain industries and if it's there obviously if we're not idiots taking it um we we should take it right like that's it we're not we're not committing fraud these are all's it we're not we're not committing fraud these are all things that we're eligible for we just need to be on top of it we've even been told that we're eligible for things before tried to apply for it ran into a massive wave of complications and just been like okay we could get this grant or we could spend the time that's going to take for us to deal with all these complications. Just making money. Yes.

So every time, almost, not technically, but almost every time it's just been like, okay, well, I'm just going to go back to work. Yeah. I hear that. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, go ahead. I've got something to clarify about the desk pads.

Oh, yeah. I'm told that they're only going to be available at LTX local only local only wow all right exclusive see you guys at ltx yeah i was uh i told you a while ago that i was reorganizing the stuff i was going through all of my like i can't get rid of this article of clothing because it has significance to me stuff i found like the ltx 2017 shirt and i found like all this other kind of stuff one that i did get rid of but i always felt conflicted on i just had too much i have this like massive benefit at this point um was the the berry selling shirt nice i still had that and i was like okay i think i can get rid of that one i think that would be a

fun like float plane exclusive. You and I compare our bins because I have a shirt bin too. I was going to ask you if you still have your shirt that's the way like us sitting together in the van. That logo. If you still have that shirt because I found the sweater. You have the sweater? I have the sweater. We should do like we should do a when where you're wearing the shirt and I'm wearing the sweater.

I'm totally down. That'd be sick. We should bring back the design now that we have a t-shirt printer again. Hey, yeah. I'd be super down. I also have that, like, super old, like, Christmas sweater that we had, the WAN Christmas sweater. Oh, yeah, that thing was crap. Like, all this, oh, yeah, it is, but I'm keeping it because it's just, like. i've kept a lot less of like just old merch because

like nick gets mad at me if i wear it it's like yo people can't even buy that what the f are you doing i'm like oh right okay i guess i guess it's like the front man i'm supposed to i'm supposed to rep the stuff people can currently get which is honestly fine because it's always it's always forward and upward right like we're trying to make better stuff all the time but it's a little bit sentimental you know stuff like that i don't plan on wearing like the the 2017 shirt like i don't want to wear it because i don't want to ever wash it because that that logo like is still in really nice, so I don't I don't want to trash it broads like I've still got the mod 24 shirt I do too, bro

I'm pretty sure I saved that one. I know I found it this while I was sorting through. I'm pretty sure it got saved I pulled that out in it. Yeah, I don't know I was thinking when you were asking him if he was gonna come to the event I was thinking when you were asking him if he was going to come to the event, I was like, man, we were just roasting NVIDIA for not paying things. But one of the very few times that they have, Mod 24 was actually super sick. They did not pay a lot for it. Nope.

It was a cool event regardless. Anywho. Moving on. Next one. Okay. This one. Next one. Okay. This one's from Elizabeth. Hi, Linus and Luke. I've recently entered my first professional position where I am responsible for delegating to others.

As leaders of your respective teams, how do you balance delegating and perfectionism? I knew that'd get a groan. I'm getting better at it. You have to... I mean, it's all training, right? Like, you have to delegate with the assumption

that everything they're gonna do is wrong. Or, even if it's not wrong, it's definitely not exactly the way you would have done it. But making the mistake could be a valuable thing. Yeah. And so sitting down and talking through how you feel it should have been done can have multiple positive effects. It can help them to reason through it better for themselves next time. Or conversely, it could actually open you up to new perspectives and new approaches,

which is, I think, one of our biggest strengths here is that no idea is automatically stupid based on the position of whoever proposed it. And that's sort of a complicated way of saying that anyone can have a valid idea for how we can do things better. And so I've had to let a lot go over the years in terms of perfectionism. I'm not going to call out anything, not anything specific, but like I watched a video recently where I kind of went like in the first two minutes, there were four obvious moments where I was like,

well, it should have been like the thing I was talking about. There should have been an image on screen of it. Like what, there's just supposed to imagine what's the point of this even being a video? Why don't we just upload it as a audio clip? Like, you know, little things like that you know obviously i'm you know i can be i can be pretty demanding i can be pretty picky um but the best way to move forward with that is to just have those conversations figure out what the rationale was and then figure out how to best move forward that's the only way you can do it

was and then figure out how to best move forward that's the only way you can do it safe answer it's a good one though that's fine the best answer is not an answer up next is from austin luke uh what will you play now that tarkov is not an option uh honestly i haven't been playing much i have to confess that i might have to extend the amd challenge because i haven't touched my gaming computer gaming is dead you heard it i did i i will say i've been really busy based on some of the things that have happened yeah like that we took like the the arrests and the server seizures and all these massive band waves that bsg has been doing stuff like that like returning to tarkov might be fairly realistic fairly soon i was expecting it was going to be like potentially ever or like at least a year but it might be a relatively short-term thing for me to return to it but i've been busy man I've been doing other stuff.

There's a lot going on in my life that isn't on Wancho right now. So I don't know. I haven't been gaming a ton, but that's okay. Yeah, this is great. Back to our last one, AJ in floatplane chat. To beat my perfectionism, I just procrastinate until I don't have time to do it perfectly. You're not supposed to say that yeah

Your boss and your boss's boss Taking everything in my power to not say mood right now We're very alike. No. See, the trick here is I just give AJ too much stuff. So he doesn't have, like, he has to work all the time anyways. Oh my gosh. Solution solved.

I don't even want to hear that. Solution solved. I don't want to hear any of this from any of you. If you tell me to do it within the next hour, and it's like a six-hour project, then you'll get it in an hour and a half, and it'll be good and done. That's how Luke manages. It's been going great.

Tell him what you told me earlier about how it's been working under my team. Oh, yeah, it's very stressful. Sorry. But Luke is turning me into a confident person because I, I don't know, I scheduled a meeting. Don't say the company, but say the story. Yeah, I scheduled a meeting like we needed to get this thing done. And I sent an email to the company.

Hello, can I please have a meeting with your team? And they went, yeah, how about Friday? And then I kind of was in another meeting, freaked out, and went, no, this has to be tomorrow at 11. Answer my question instead of scheduling a meeting. And then he went, okay, how about tomorrow at 11? No, this has to be at 8.30. We're having this meeting right now. What? And then

the meeting happened and we got it done and everything's been like full steam ahead. We shipped on time. Let's go, boys! I felt like a big boy man person. No, I want productivity, please. Let's go. Give me the productivity.

I did a business. Should we announce your role change? I don't know. I don't really care. Okay, so Luke is out as CTO, or whatever the heck his role was at Floatplane Media, which is a lie because he actually retains that role. Yeah, what?

He's now officially back in the linus media group inc fold as our cto and he's going to be just kind of unhappazarding things whether it's the migration from last pass or some of our data resiliency practices or whether it's our documentation. There's things that he's gotten really good at with his team over at Flowplane over the last five years. And to be clear to my team over at Flowplane, nothing is changing there. He worded that really poorly. Well, did that on purpose i know everything's fine i know for sure he's gonna get at least one phone call tonight and and no i'm not the cto of floatplane i don't think it has one yeah i don't even i don't even

know what your closest thing to that probably the agent yeah coo yeah so so he's gonna be cto at linus media group to help us take everything that's really good at Floatplane, technology-wise, and also do it here. Because no offense to some of the people who work on some of the tech stuff here. No, and okay, I will actually come to their defense specifically. Oh, I know. In my opinion, with the time and the resources that have been given, it's been amazing what has been accomplished. The fact that we have the kind of uptime we do

is a testament to the work that guys like Jake and Dan and Jamie have put in to have our security system. It always works. The fact that stuff works at all is like... It's made of duct tape and popsicle sticks But it actually functions. Yeah, which is remarkable really good The the problem is that their time is also leveraged in other ways everyone that's been working on it It hasn't been their main thing so then they're pulled constantly. they're pulled constantly in other directions and things were it's been 80 20 ruled like on the line for a long time 20 of the work 80 of the result they've lived

by that rule but certain things have been left out and we're getting to a size we're getting to a stage where that can't really keep happening we can't keep doing it and certain things are starting to fail certain edge cases are starting to fail, and they're impacting pretty hard. So hoping to help solve that. This does not mean that you're not going to see infrastructure tech videos from Jake anymore. Yeah, totally. I'm planning on setting up the system so that you will see exactly as much of that. Maybe more.

Actually, maybe, yeah. Because he should be less busy with just random administrative nonsense. We don't want him to do maintenance stuff we don't want him to do documentation we don't have to do all these different things that really don't want him to do documentation but he should still be able to have fun and experiment with things and try things out and then show that on video and have that be cool for everyone so there will not be any less of that and yeah the goal is is potentially even more if if he wants to do more. So yeah, that's my stance on it. Yeah, so it's exciting.

Hit me, Dan. Okay. Lord knows I deserve it today. Yeah, for those comments. This one's from Max. I do my best. This one's from Max. Hey, from Guernsey,

where's the weirdest place that you've seen LDT store purchases from? Oh, so I curated this one because I'm going to steal one, which was the figure skater. Oh, yeah, that was awesome. That was so sick. Yeah, our water bottle showed up in an Olympic broadcaster. Oh, shoot, what's his name? I follow him on Twitter, but I don't remember off the top my head I feel like I usually can but I don't remember right now Canadian I'll find it I'll find it um trying to find nope i'm having a really hard time finding it anyway it was super cool

so i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure we sent over uh a care package yeah yeah that was that was awesome just like seeing the water bottle out in the wild like just casually supporting an elite athlete you know keeping him hydrated. That was super cool. All right, hit me with another, Dan. I think it's like... I'll find it. Linus and Luke, I recently entered my first professional position. I'm responsible for delegating to others.

Oh, wait. This one, oh, we did a curated one on top of it. We did this one. Yeah, sorry. Long time watcher for trying to purchase a commenter. I was thinking we did this one. Okay. Me too. Roman Sadowski. I thought it was Sarovski and I couldn't quite find it.

Roman Sadowski. Sorry, that was really rude. What bed tech would you like to see? I mean, you've got a cool bed now. Yeah. Didn't you do it? I thought you were going to do it. Yeah, I'm using it. I don't know that I like it as much as you do.

Oh. So we're both playing around with the sleep eight or eight sleep. The eight sleep. I kind of find that it's either, like, when I have it on, okay, both of us run pretty warm at night compared to our SOs. And I kind of find that, oh, Dan was muted. Okay. I'm aware. Basically bed tech ideas.

Yeah. I find that it's either really warm. Okay, how do I put this? I don't really, like, just stay on one side of the bed a lot what i'm a cuddler so because yvonne runs her side with the heater what ends up happening is if i move around in the night i'm either boiling because i'm like over the threshold to her side or i'm freezing because i got all sweaty on her side and I'm on my chilled side and I just I don't know I'm actually I'm I'm not really liking it that much but I also don't have the subscription

so I it's so so their function where it's supposed to keep you at the right temperature all the time doesn't work you just have to set this like super coarse adjustment for like a like a like a curve to be cooler in the middle of the night apparently or something like that and it's not great but i'm not i'm not paying a subscription fee for a three thousand dollar mattress topper that's absurd so i just it's got a knock to a fan bro it does like oh that's the thing maybe and maybe it's worth it like maybe maybe by that time have you looked into the specs of the actual computer that like runs it yeah it's like actually surprisingly like oh wow yeah but i already bought the computer yeah i just i find it so offensive no i hear you but like okay it's not like there aren't subscription services that i do pay for i pay

for like uh nabucasaasa, the home assistant cloud subscription. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's not even the only way to do that. You can work around it with your own thing, but it's just, it's way more convenient. It's like $5 a month or something like that. And honestly, for the bed, maybe I just should because it would be more comfortable or whatever.

But like, I mean, you've been pretty happy with it, I think. I've had a good experience. I find AC off is now like tolerable. It doesn't completely solve it for me because even with, so it's minimum possible temperature is negative 10 degrees. Is it actually running at that? I don't think so, but it feels pretty cold But I am a big boy, and I am running very hot

So it'll it'll get into a situation where like my if I'm laying on my back my like back will be a nice temperature But my like chest is roasting yes, because it's not enough to like Get all the way through me. So you need a cooled blanket, too I need a cooled like which would be inherently weighted and weighted blankets are apparently really good so you need a cooled weighted my my favorite store.com next project kyle are you watching let's go the thing right now that has made it so i get just like actually amazing sleeps is when it's so hot that we need to turn the ac on and then i can bundle a bit and take like yeah

instead of the thinnest blanket i've ever found yeah on the market which is what i normally sleep with i can actually have like a thicker blanket on and i have the eight sleep at the lowest temperature it can possibly go and the ac on then i'm like oh wow i am i am a cozy boy and then i sleep super super well and i feel very rejuvenated in the morning. Tynan's in the chat. It isn't quite enough just on its own. But it helps. So it's way better with it for me.

Yeah. But it's not 100% of what I could hope for, if that makes sense. But I still like it. I wouldn't recommend it for everyone because it's really expensive. It's really expensive but like it does help me and other stuff i don't know if anything could magically cure my insomnia i'd be down for that like i don't need another device to tell me you had a terrible sleep last night it's like yeah thanks yep all right what's next yep

all right let's have a look. Oh, my goodness. The merch messages are coming in too fast for poor Dan to read them to us and also curate and reply to them. Yeah, sorry, I'm not ready for doing other things. This one's from Maxwell. Hey, Luke, a couple of wands ago, you mentioned a viewer in Antarctica. Sorry, that was me. I work mcmurdo a u.s station

i was wondering what you guys had to do to make the surface work better 100 honestly i don't remember but i'm pretty sure aj's watching yeah aj's in the chat so maybe aj remembers because i'm pretty sure that aj did it and luke just supervised probably that was a long time ago so that was when aj was doing literally all of our infrastructure so yeah i mean that he did that for a long time look i was trying to make us sound like a real company luke yeah yeah yeah yeah um so maybe uh maybe aj will get back to us in the floatplane chat or maybe aj doesn't have to be working right now because it's late but whatever

yeah I don't 100% know that he's still around I just think he is okay it just wouldn't surprise me next up is from Kyle with Ring being on the outs what is your recommendations for home security and surveillance? I'm really happy with my Ubiquiti stuff

it's tough though because obviously it's easy for me to say when Ubiquiti is a, is a long time collaborator of ours and sends us a lot of the stuff that we need from them. It's really expensive, especially for home use. So it's tough, right? There was that, um, man, what was that? Uh, Wise. There was that, uh, that cheap brand that everyone loved for a while and then they started locking things down. So it like apparently sucks now. I have I haven't completely looked into it. We did a we did a video on like a DIY solution back in the day. Jake, Jake did something up and it was like it was like a pie zero like DIY security camera thing. Something like that could obviously work there's

yeah there i don't know maybe this is something that we just need to really dig into and do a video i know i'm off topic but i i am just so happy that antarctica guy is still subscribed that's actually so sick well you don't actually know that. That's fair. Antarctica guy is not actually in the float plane chat. That was a merge message. Oh, he's still around in some way. Okay. AJ says, we had a VM with a specific host at the time where we did pretty much all our CDN things. Okay, that's a really vague posty explanation.

Thank you for that, AJ. It was a server. Probably we just put an edge node closer on a route that was good for getting there. Probably. Thanks, Captain Probably. I asked Captain Actually Knows. I'm sorry it's late.

That's fair. Go to bed exactly that yeah okay so it's what I said I was like 99% sure from the beginning but I didn't know 100% because it's been a bajillion years so we're not shipping anything to Antarctica Jaden

alright Dan hit me speaking of shipping this one's from Cody what type of food would you sell on LDT Store if shipping food internationally wasn't a terrible idea? CBD gummies. There's great margin. Is there? Probably.

Yeah, I actually had a former colleague from NCIX who wanted to start up a partnership doing alertness gamer CBD gummies and stuff like that. And they sent me over some of the products actually like seemed really good i actually really liked it the sleep one was not bad um not a perfect solution i still do struggle to sleep sometimes but definitely better than nothing which is about all you can really ask for when it comes to like supplements and stuff i don't know if there's just like a lot of margin in it or what's going on, but it seems like every single like fitness

Influencer person sells their own protein powder. Yeah good margin. That's it cuz it's gotta be what's like nothing It's what like ground-up snail shells or whatever right like it's worthless way. Yes, it's way. Yeah, I Yeah, I know I know I thought you were legitimately correcting because you thought I thought that it was actually made of that I love how you you mix I let you pour it into milk So you're just pouring like a milk like a part of milk into more actual milk, and then you drink Yeah, so you're drinking like hyper milk More milk per mil. Yeah That's basically what's happening or energy powder. Yeah, they all have their own like pre-workout creatine

Protein powder whatever they all have their own like range of supplement stuff It's because you can just find an OEM that ran did it just slap a label on it And it's the simplest thing ever and so he had a relationship that he was forging with like a big manufacturer of CBD gummies And he was like, you know go for it it. If it's good enough for Martha Stewart, it's good enough for you. You probably, based on what I just said, probably know who this was. I knew who it was from the beginning.

Oh, okay. Yeah, fair enough. But my hesitations were twofold. You know, one was I had a lot of concern about, even if I don't give a rat's patoot about CBD or weed or whatever, there's a lot of uptight people out there. And it's one of those spaces that as a, as a loosely regulated industry,

there's just a lot of like crap going on. A lot of shady stuff. A lot of shady people are involved and I just, I don't need the association. Number two is I've always been extremely hesitant about anything that people ingest. Yeah. I thought, frankly speaking, I thought Mr. Beast was absolutely bat shit crazy. Beast Burger?

To do Beast Burger. Yeah, and then he did the chocolate stuff too. These like random, well, the chocolate one, I don't even mind as much. Because at least it's coming from presumably some kind of factory that actually has some kind of actual safety protocols in place. But all these ghost kitchens. But all these like random ghost kitchens with like, Lord only knows how long these things are sitting on a warmer before they get delivered. I don't know. I promise you he doesn't know.

And it only takes as far, depending on how your company is set up, it only takes one person to die for the whole thing to come crumbling down. Anything that people ingest, I've just been very sketched out by. It's possible we'll do gamer snacks or something at some point, but it just

hasn't happened. Yeah. I've got another one here from Joshua. Linus, has your wife vetoed any ideas or purchases you still want to make? If so, what were they? She's pretty permissive overall. I was going to say,

doesn't really do that that much. Yeah, like, we had this... We had a concept a while back where we were going to buy... She'll be very disappointed. Yeah, we were going to buy a sex doll for, like, a Channel Superfund or something. It was, like, $12,000 or something like that. Well, yeah, that's why we didn't do it, because we found out the price. Oh, okay.

But she wasn't the obstacle. Like, she's... Yeah, she's pretty chill. Like, she's... Okay, what's great about Yvonne is that she she lets you buy sex dolls I mean it's pretty reasonably priced is that not great at that price they're very realistic so I've heard yeah um so she's she's she's a great um enable yeah yeah she she will she will try to talk you down off of the branch but if you insist

on climbing more or jumping or swinging from it or doing whatever stupid thing it is they try to help you do it the best way and make sure you don't get hurt right that's her that's her thing um yeah so i can't think of anything that she's really vetoed. I think if she could go back in time, she would veto the smart light switches. But other than that, we don't disagree about that much. Yeah. All right, hit me.

Okay, next one's up from Michael. My friends and I use the dollar per hour ratio to judge game value. You've both spoken about how you don't care for MTX or cosmetics. One of our group has spent $2,400 in Fortnite, but with 5,000 hours. Thoughts? I have

lots of thoughts. 5,000 hours in Fortnite. Yeah, that was where I went first. Is that in-game or does that include menus? I mean, it would include menus, probably. Some games don't. Oh, okay.

Most games do, but this isn't like a Steam tracked game, right? Steam counts menus, I know that. Yeah. Woof. um woof that's a lot of hours in fortnight we're still on that that's also just a lot of money

what is that's you didn't have to spend that money you could have also gotten 5000 hours in fortnight and not spent that money yeah and then the dollar per hour ratio would be even lower which would be even better i am i am down with supporting things that you use a lot like i remember i got rocket i've told this on the show before i got rocket league on some crazy sale for like three bucks or something and then i've just played the heck out of it so i bought a couple seasons passes or something yeah i'm sure my total in on that

not that much probably like less than 50 bucks okay and i played a ton of it let's talk about world of warcraft okay you've probably spent more than 2400 on wow it was like 50 bucks a month back in the day if i recall correctly wasn't it oh no it was 50 bucks to buy the thing okay with all the expansions though are you sure it's 15 15 a month okay so that's almost 200 a year i bet you're close to to 5 000 no no 2.4. Oh. 15 times. Let's say that. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone here, sir. I promise you I have never spent $2,000 on a...

Oh, wait, hold on. How much did I spend on Star Citizen? No, I have never spent $2,000 on a video game. You have committed to, though. Yeah. If it actually ever comes out, you're going to have a big bill. Okay, that's true. For a ship that is hopefully good. Who knows? Yeah, I guess actually ever comes out you're gonna have a big bill. Okay, that's true For a ship that is hopefully good

Okay, but one of the things my brother and I shared an account for like literally The majority of the time that I played the game Okay, and then another significant portion of me playing the game was definitely private servers, but you don't pay for monthly. I see I Just think I think you're not that far off probably 15 times 12 is 180 yeah so let's say i played for four years is that it i don't know because i played because i thought you played for a long time classic yeah i played like three quarters of i never played consistently i played three quarters of classic i played like half to three quarters of burning I never played consistently. I played three quarters of Classic. I played like half to three quarters of Burning Crusade. I played one quarter of Wrath. Okay.

And then I never played consistently again until Classic came out again. But I am pretty sure I got like almost every expansion, but I never, I very rarely got them right away. I would get them when they were like basically free, right before the next one came out. Sure. We get it. You're a cheapskate yeah but my point stands when you compare a bunch on games yeah when you compare this ratio to something like a wow does it actually seem that outlandish i don't know i think it depends how much you play each month subscription model game does it need to

be a subscription model game for the amount of content you get versus the content cycling that fortnite does go through yeah they they do innovate a lot big map changes they do things like i mean i'm not necessarily interested in it but you can turn into like the hulk or something i don't remember i don't know who cares yeah you can turn into like the Hulk or something. I don't remember Yeah, I don't know who cares. Yeah, you can turn into like Ariana Grande. I think sure So, yeah, I don't know It doesn't seem right to me Okay, but if the maths there and they're fulfilled, like, I don't really care what they do

with their own personal money. You can do whatever you want. All right. Okay. All right, Dan, hit us. Okay. Next up is from Christopher. Honest question.

What is the goal of Right to Repair? I have been buying replacement parts and repairing my electronics since i broke an iphone uh iphone 3g ages ago uh have i not had the right to repair i don't really understand your question what um the goal of right to repair is that the ability to repair your device is a right, and more so that your ability to do that, your right to repair it, cannot be impeded by other parties.

So the fact that you have been able to get replacement parts for your electronics since you broke your iPhone 3G ages ago, is not for their lack of trying to make those replacement parts impossible or inordinately expensive to get. You've been lucky, and you should be thankful, to the right-to-repair advocates and crusaders that are out there pushing for this,

because without them, no, companies like Apple would absolutely restrict your ability to get any of that stuff. They would want you to come to them for first-party repairs, or they would want to sell you a new device. So right to repair is what you're talking about, except it is establishing it as a right. It's establishing that you actually have ownership of the things that you have bought, and that they are, no, not in fact still the property of the company that produced them um if you do not if you do not sort of if right to repair is not a priority for you or you don't think that it's important you do not understand it it's it really is very black and white this is there's

there's not any room for negotiation or nuance on this the solutions for how we uh how we enforce the consumer's right to repair well that's where there's room for discussion. But the actual right to repair, to own devices that you pay for, that's not negotiable. And if you disagree, then you're just wrong, unfortunately. And you need to educate yourself. Because the people who do disagree will put up all kinds of just frankly ridiculous arguments like, well, what if I don't want to? What if I want Apple to repair? Then by all means, go do it.

The right for someone else to repair a device themselves does not infringe upon your right to pay someone too much money for them to do it or even a reasonable amount of money for them to do it. I mean, everyone has different priorities. Not everybody wants to tinker with their stupid phone. I get it. But just because you don't means you need to sit down, shut your mouth, and let everyone else do their thing.

That's all. Very simple. All right. Okay. Up next, we have Kyler. Over the years, we have Kyler. Over the years, we've seen tech have the infamous planned obsolescence. What tech equipment would you say has no excuse to be going bad in only a handful of years?

I'm really tired of phones. Just like turning into complete suck. I mean, I'm pretty sure that my dad, when I was growing up, had had his rotary phone for like 20 years. I mean, it was like yellowed enough, like the plastics were. But it still worked.

But yeah, but everything still worked. I mean, yeah, it's, I hate the disposability of these things. I think about this when I get rid of certain things, actually, because if there's like a new shiny thing on the market that I want and I'm replacing something that I have, yes, everyone's going to call me cheap. I think about like the amount of issues that I might have with it, with the new thing,

as it gets into its obsolescent period, its planned obsolescent period. And I'm like, the thing that I have right now works. Do I want to just keep that? Maybe. Depends. Depends, the thing that I have right now works. Do I want to just keep that? Maybe. Depends. Depends on the thing. Depends on how impacted it is.

Phones, it gets a little bit too painful. You kind of got to move on. Batteries aren't replaceable. Your battery running out of total capacity gets really, really frustrating. Certain apps aren't going to work as well. You run out of software updates, stuff like that. You kind of got to do it at a certain degree. I've been running on this one for a while.

It's still fine right now, but it'll run out of its reasonable time. I'm going to go with earphones. Audio devices are something that for decades we've been able to count on to be pretty decent 10 years after you bought them, as long as you invested in a good one, like a good quality one. Whereas now you buy a pair of earphones with the expectation that in three to five years it will be actual eways do you think that's why the headphone jack went away to make earphones a consumable i like to not wear my tinfoil hat so loud and proud as all that but um i mean i i don't know sometimes i can't tell the difference between 4d chess and

just um design first like i just i i don't know i don't know but i i don't know i maybe i mean maybe buds but like the kinds of headphones we're wearing now you know some of those do last for decades. I think they're still doing pretty well. Oh yeah, these do, which is like, yeah, but that's the precedent for it, right? Like I expect, I mean, these are not great. Maybe not these ones. Yeah, not these ones.

These are just affordable. My 595s, I'm on, I don't even know how many times I've replaced the ear pads, but I just keep replacing the ear pads. They're fantastic headphones. I hope I never have to stop using them. I'm on year 15 with mine,

and I haven't even replaced the ear pads. They like still going strong oh yeah oh okay next they're leather yeah whatever um okay yeah that's fine i thought you had 595s no you just said mine and i was like that's gross sorry oh good god uh okay Next, we've got Alex. Have you ever thought about getting into fragrances? Yes. I want to re-experience that new PC smell. I want a magic blue smoke fragrance. Oh, God, no. That gives me so much anxiety. If you could just dab a little bit of magic blue smoke on the wrist, man, just, ah.

And new electronics. I'd love a new electronics fragrance. I don't want to smell any of these things. Burnt plastic. Yeah, burnt plastic. Ah, I love it. Gross. Okay.

Okay, last of the curated. This is from Antoine. What would be, sorry, one second. What would be funny is if for April Fool's events for LTT Store, is if you guys actually made joke products, but you actually made them and actually shipped them to people. Luke, why do you enable him? Because it's awesome.

Sometimes he'll follow through with stuff that I think is hilarious, and it's great. I'm not telling you to not. Because I was thinking the other day about, I haven't heard about Cards Against Humanity in a long time. But they used to do stuff like that. They would basically like troll their customers. But they would be transparent about it. They'd be like, you're buying this thing.

And people would be like, no way. There's no way they'd ship that to me. And then they actually do it. I like that. I i mean d brand does that sort of thing too yeah yeah like it's it's not it's not unheard of it is definitely actually a thing it's a lot of work developing a product that's actually good um that's what that's that's what i will say that's fair yeah that is fair okay last of the curated from antoine i've been watching the weekly news analysis uh open parentheses lol close parentheses show religiously for about six to seven years now how do you guys deal with crazy people who know you as i do without having met you

i think we're just kind of used to it it's not that bad yeah i mean it's like there's been times where it was bad but they're usually very contained and you get over it yeah it's it's overall pretty cool like it's um it's always a nice i i always liked the status flex like back when back when i was in dating phases if you're out on a date with someone and someone comes up to you and like oh it's great i would always like i would notice someone looking at me and be like that that person knows who i am and i'd be like come on but is it effective yeah not as effective as chicken apparently hey they're both effective okay hit them with both of them yeah okay you don't hit anyone with chicken okay that's not okay dan you get salmonella no chickenella chickenella. I said chicken, not salmon. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so bad at this.

I'm sorry. Okay. Last curated? Oh, no, that was it. We're on to the potentials. Do you want me to read the potentials and you can keep working on incoming? Should we just go for it? Yeah. This Freaks asks, Linus, can you sell things that are already waste?

For example, the high school I went to demolished a couple of years ago they were selling bricks to alumni uh yeah that's something we actually do want to do more of is turning e-waste into um like decorative items we've been it's been like over a year which is sort of embarrassing but we've wanted to do uh you could do the explody boxes yeah we could those are a of work. We're trying to figure out things that are relatively scalable because unless you're actually repurposing, you know, many pounds of electronics, are you doing anything? I don't know. And it's all just delaying the inevitable. And I understand that. But we're looking for things that are reasonably scalable so one of the ideas we had is um like acrylic uh or like

resin coasters with cpus embedded in them uh so that's something we've been trying to perfect for over a year not full time obviously just been on the been on the table it's a project that's been kind of handed off first from i think who was the first person to touch it? I think Kyle might have done something with it. And then Tynan was on it. And then I think one of the new engineers who might still be on probation was on it. Jacob might have looked at it at some point when he was here. The point is a lot of people have kind of chipped away at it, but we haven't figured out exactly how to make sure the bottom doesn't end up concave we haven't figured out how to make sure that whatever like the acrylic that we machine

out the spot for is exactly the same tone and fades in exactly the same way as the resin that we put in it getting all the bubbles out of the resin there's actually a lot involved in just the stupidest bulls**t sometimes you know like it seems easy yeah just put a lot involved in just the stupidest bullshit sometimes, you know? Like, it seems easy. Yeah, just put a CPU in resin. But what if the CPU goes too deep into the resin and it pokes through the top? Well, that doesn't look very nice. Well, okay, you could put a thing in there to keep it from going in too deep.

How did they used to do the old school keychains? I don't know. Was that resin or was that like a plastic case? I'm not sure. I don't remember. It's a good question. So we'll figure it out it just takes time so you guys are on it now for the potentials oh yeah sure just going through them uh okay i i can do potentials okay samuel says hopefully this jacket is worth 250 my is, do you guys have any thoughts on hydrogen fuel cell? I would love to see hydrogen fuel cell succeed.

From what I can tell, it's far less impactful in terms of mining rare earth metals than what we're doing right now. With that said, Tesla did show off some very promising slides at their last tech day to do with reducing the i believe it was nickel and cobalt um contents of their batteries so you know who knows if batteries get less reliant on heavy metals if batteries get more recyclable like if we could take a dead lithium battery and get back you know 80 90 plus percent of the lithium and turn it back into a working battery i'd love to see that um but otherwise i mean hydrogen fuel cell aside from just being kind of stalled right now in terms of at least what i'm seeing as a general consumer It's not an industry that I follow super closely.

I'd love for it to work. There. That's what I'll say about it. I just... There's so much momentum for electric charging now and so little momentum for hydrogen fuel cell fueling stations. I just... I don't have a lot of hope. Yeah.

Yep. I don't have a lot of hope. Yeah. Yep. Oh, right. I'm supposed to be doing this. Linus, seeing as you seemed to enjoy playing Horizon Call of the Mountain on PSVR 2, do you think you might give Horizon Zero Dawn another try?

I finished Horizon Zero Dawn. Yeah, I loved Horizon Zero Dawn. Yeah, it's a great game. Yeah, it's a really good game. If haven't played it it's it's it's awesome uh i played through it on the um on the steam deck the only issue i had was related to running it on the steam deck and it being in its very early days and some sort of weird crashing and bugginess and stuff like that no really great game really enjoyed it um currently watching march third wan show hi future me oh you're behind i see uh linus and luke and dan what has been your favorite date with your respective sos why and do you think they would pick the same

if you guys aren't ready i can go first i have something in mind but okay um probably the most fun date that yvonne and i went on at least in the last five years uh was we did something called a discovery flight at a flight school at the local airfield it was shockingly affordable did you guys ever do it no do. Do it! Way to spoil that. It's not like Emma watches the WAN show. Yes, she does. Oh. You know what? No, I'm not accepting any responsibility for this. I told him like a year ago. There. Yeah, cuz it was my idea cuz I asked you to go. Was it? Yeah. Oh. And then you just did it without me. Okay, I guess we're airing some dirty laundry today

Well it was a really good idea So it's shockingly affordable. It was like a hundred and thirty dollars or something like that We're up for it was like two hours or something all told I guess technically I didn't ask if you want to do the discovery flight. Oh, okay. You wanted to like Do the whole thing oh yeah, I guess technically I didn't ask if you want to do the discovery flight. I asked if you wanted to like do the whole thing. Oh yeah, and I'm still down. I'm still down. But anyway, it was like $160.

It was shockingly affordable. Both Yvonne and I got to operate the aircraft with a certified instructor in the plane with us. You both have a yoke. It's like actually pretty cool. Yeah, it was an absolute blast. And it was probably the best bang for the buck sort of premium date experience that I've ever had in terms of memorability and actual fun factor.

Way better value than going to the movies. Maybe less time, but awesome ops awesome ton of fun i i don't know but there was one that i remembered that was i doubt she would pick the same one but i do know that she remembers this event rather fondly we were supposed to go up to a particular lake i don't remember the name of it. Harrison Lake, I think, was the one. It's just been a few years. I don't remember which one it was. And we were supposed to go to a particular spot on it.

And I don't remember if I was using my car's GPS or Google Maps or whatever one it was. It just didn't send us to the right spot at all. And I had never been there before. So we ended up on some road like halfway up the lake until looking to my left i noticed through the trees that we were clearly on the side of the lake and we were supposed to be approaching like the bottom of the lake and stopping right there so i knew we were way off of where we were supposed to be and that's we had to turn around and go all the way back we ended up being super late to the event that we were trying to go to.

And then afterwards, we stayed at this Airbnb out there back when Airbnb was cool, which was like nowhere close to the town that we were visiting. But I picked it because it was like this really sick, like old school farmstead as an Airbnb. Oh, that's cool it was like it was this really cool event taking my acura onto a logging road was an event in its own right um that was the day that i was like basically had to be like all right i'm not as worried about keeping this car pristine anymore like cruising down a gravel logging road with rocks flying all over the place and i was like okay um nice but yeah it was it was cool because i have always liked uh going through things like that with people i've always felt that as a bond

strengthener when you're able to go through some like this kind of sucks. We have no idea where the heck we are We're like up in the mountains. We're not supposed to be up in the mountains We gotta figure out where we're going You're gonna do this thing and then we're doing some weird thing afterwards and you make it through and everyone has a good time It's fun. That's always like a bond a strengthening thing for me. I was like those times so that was that was a good one Super cool. Oh Right I'm supposed to do this gosh darn it. Sorry, I'm going through and I'm trying to I'm supposed to do this gosh darn it sorry I'm going through and I'm trying to reply to them right now and stuff too so

I'm trying to help Dan there's only one in incoming Michael asks given survivor bias do you have any estimate on how many people have failed where you have succeeded in your business space literally tens of thousands oceans failed where you have succeeded in your business space?

Oh, literally thousands, tens of thousands. Do you have any anonymous anecdotes on what mistakes not to make? I think the biggest mistake, the biggest mistakes you can make are not being true to yourself and not listening to your audience. And on the surface, those might seem contradictory because how can you be true to yourself and listen to your audience? And how can you listen to your audience while being true to yourself? But they actually work together because if you stay true to yourself, you should build an audience that will actually encourage you to stay on a path that is true to yourself while also being to their interests. That's how you build a community of like-minded people. And that's what i think we've done really well and you also shouldn't you shouldn't be 100 rigid in every single thing ever so your audience might

have good ideas and might have good feedback that doesn't mean you have to listen to all of it but you should listen to some of it so you can grow and improve yeah i agree with that jason says getting the wan desk pad for a new setup two systems in the dk05f sick setup i was wondering if you could say anything more on yours and alex's experience building in it that didn't get into the video that's a better question for alex you might want to like tweet at him or something because i don't think i did much on that video uh sometimes i am i am deeply involved and other times i am quite a bit less involved in the actual building of the system.

I think Jake might have had a hand in that one as well. Yeah, that thing is super cool, but also not necessarily the most practical, which I'm sure you are well enough aware. Gavin says, hey, Luke, after the issues the issues with tarkov have you picked up any other games to play in its place uh i sort of answered this earlier as well but like no um i think it's a different person okay what would it be like what would what what's your alternative so they're saying they play hunt show i've looked into hunt showdown i'm not that into

it what's the difference i think it's a similar type of game in in a few different ways but it's like if i man the last time i played it was many years ago if i remember correctly it's like it has like a horror base as well and there's like giant spiders and zombies and stuff that you're fighting off at the same time and it's just not really oh okay my vibe it has some similarities but it's a very different game some the community that likes that game is really into it so like if you want to try it like don't let me dissuade you uh it's just not for me personally uh i've tried a few other games in the space too i've tried arma i've tried a bunch of other things none of it really hits i don't know i guess if

it doesn't have that same depth to the to the simness of it and you could argue that arma does in a bunch of different ways but then some people are gonna like this i find armor to be very clunky i'm not a huge fan of the controls and stuff right um i don't know it's just tarkov just needs to figure it out that's basically it dartangan m i understand how unlikely this is but i wanted to know if linus thinks lmg might ever be in a position to hire truck drivers sincerely a truck driver named zeus zeus love it by the way um i don't know i mean if lcix ever takes off and we become like a you know giant tech retailer or something obviously we'd need truck drivers for that but there's a future where it could happen yeah but i i kind of doubt it i don't know if we're ever gonna i don't know if

we're ever gonna make it to that future We would probably use another service that they happen to hire truck drivers, I feel like. I don't know. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Anonymous asks, what made you choose the Taycan over one of the e-hybrid models from Porsche? You've strongly advocated for hybrids in the past. I'm looking at getting a used Cayenne e-hybrid. Curious on your thoughts.

I'm going to be honest with you. I hate going to the gas station it's one of those things that just makes me irrationally annoyed when i have to stop and get gas i i like going straight from where i am to where i want to be and i don't like stopping i'm just like a i'm like a go go go kind of person and i want to never go to the gas station again and so the taikan is really great for that um i also don't want an suv i don't i don't i don't enjoy the suv driving experience with that said i've never driven a cayenne maybe it's like not very suv like maybe it's awesome but But I like being low to the ground. I've always preferred to be low to the ground.

I'm really happy with it so far. I have absolutely no regrets whatsoever, no matter how stupid some of my badminton buddies think I am. One of them has, like, an i8, I think it is, whatever that BMW hybrid one is. Well, that's the, like, supercar thing. Yeah, yeah, it looks sick. Very, very striking-looking car

with, like, the doors like this, not like this. Oh, man. Oh, right. I'm supposed to keep doing things. I'm sending that one to Tynan. Okay, cool. For Linus, have there been any discussions

about offering blank tees to creators like Goat to put their designs on? I mean, absolutely. It's something Creator Warehouse would love to get into. It's kind of where the name came from in the first place. There's a reason we didn't just call it Linus Tech Tips Merch Company. But it's...

Thank goodness. There's a lot of logistics to figure out. You know, you have to build those relationships. You have to, you know, build trust with creators. We had one fairly prominent creator recently that we were even working on some custom products for, but just kind of stopped replying to emails. I'd love to know what the problem was because we actually went as

far as getting samples in and trying to book a time with this person to show them to them so that they could tell us if they were good and then we could you know do a size run and like like we were working on some full custom projects and just uh just kind of disappeared and um since since then this uh this person has launched a merch lineup through another company and it's kind of disappeared. And since then, this person has launched a merch lineup through another company. And it's kind of like, okay, well, it would have been nice to not read about that in the news, maybe. But, you know, hey, good luck on the launch. And then I just never heard back. And so I'm kind of wondering if maybe some messages got lost or something.

Because that's sort of the only real thing I can think of. But stuff happens, right? Like life happens, and i'm not i'm not taking it personally or anything the point of telling the story was just that it can be very challenging um so yeah we'd love to but one of the issues i think with our with our model is that you kind of have to bet big on things. Even for blank t-shirts, no printing company that has decent quality is going to print 30 shirts for you. Like that's stupid. That's not even worth them setting up the screen printing.

So unless you're going to print hundreds of shirts, I don't even know if we can help you, right? And if you're going to print hundreds of shirts and you don't even know if we can help you right? and if you're going to print hundreds of shirts and you don't sell them then I don't know we'd have to have some kind of system for passing through storage costs or something

I don't know there'd be a lot of things to figure out yeah I do know that there is a company out there that I was planning on talking to you about next week and we're not going to fully talk about now uh but they do merch stuff and they have they have uh been inspired by the work of merch messages. Oh, really? I'll refrain from saying copied, but... Oh, really? Yeah.

Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah. I mean, hey, it's nice to be an innovator, right? Yeah. Good job, Conrad. Okay. Edris says, The 3DS and Wii U eShop are closing and access to games there is ending.

I've been buying games I wasn't able to get since I still enjoy my 3DS. Were there any games that you enjoyed on them? I never had a Wii U and I never had a 3DS. You borrowed my 2DS, because I was cheap, to play Bravely Default. Yes, I did. I forgot about that yeah okay um well i played bravely default and that was um okay there are better retro rpg inspired games now and bravely default too i finished it but i like kind of forced myself to do it the The deal for that was he was like,

yeah, it's gonna like take me a while, so be aware of that, but I'm gonna buy Bravely Default and if you're down, I'll borrow your 2DS and then you can just have the game when I'm done. And I was like, yeah, sure. And then when you gave it back, you were like, I don't know if I'd bother play it. So I still have the Bravely Default cartridge

and have still never actually played it. Because I was just like, yeah. You should play Final Fantasy Tactics. Yeah. Or you could play my all-time favorite, Final Fantasy VI. Like, he still hasn't played it. Have you watched? This would take significantly less time.

I know, I haven't watched Pirates of Silicon Valley. I haven't watched Pirates of Silicon Valley. Like, many hours less. I haven't watched Pirates of Silicon Valley. I haven't watched Pirates of Silicon Valley. Like many hours less. I know. Okay. If I watch Pirates of Silicon Valley, you'll play Final Fantasy VI. That is not an even trade.

But. Oh! Speaking of. But sure. Speaking of terrible deals. Okay. I still don't know if it's okay for the birds. I'm trying to figure it out.

It's a hard. It's not an easy answer to grab. Okay. He is getting a new computer and a NAS upgrade, but all he has to do is have it be mineral oil cooled. Or, well, a new fluid. Yeah. A new not mineral oil fluid.

Yeah. My problem is I have two small birds and there are a lot of different things like that that are extremely critically unsafe. Like we'll kill them very quickly type of stuff. There's a lot of different chemicals you have to stop using in your home. If you get birds, you have to start cooking with different things. You can't use non-stick pans and all this kind of stuff because it kills them really fast um so i need to like for sure make sure that it's okay and most things don't have like a is this okay for birds or not section on their like

product information um so it's not necessarily the easiest thing to figure out but i am working on it i'm working on it i think dan's gonna have to weigh on in this weigh in on this next one from aaron s had to get a second pack of underwear because now i feel uncomfortable in anything else yeah relatable um question i like to buy vinyl copies of my favorite albums do either of you all own any music anymore? Yes, of course. I've got vinyl. I'm of the generation where we kept highly curated MP3 folders to copy onto your MP3 player. So that's kind of like my

generation's vinyl. But I really like vinyl. I think it's fun. I don't like it because it necessarily sounds better. I'm not going to piss anybody off by saying what I just did. Aw, crap. A lot of people here at the office collect it, too. The covers are great.

The art is great. I don't like buying music that I've heard before. I will buy random single or limited run pressings of stuff I've never heard that's only available on vinyl. And most of it's bad, but it's awesome. It's like a grab bag, right? Kinder surprise. Yeah, it's a kinder surprise of terrible, terrible music. Okay.

I have some vinyl, but most of my vinyl I have purchased for collection reasons. I have the Bastion soundtrack. A lot of them are gaming soundtracks. I think it's stupid. So there you go. there's the entire spectrum um the day that i have i i don't think it's like cool and it's ironic because i totally have space to store like records but i just can't think of anything less valuable that i could possibly put

in that space not gonna lie i got them and i used to play them because i used to do this thing where like i would do house chores during yeah one record and then be like all right i did that amount of time uh since i used to do that they have definitely never been played and they very likely like never will be again they're just so inconvenient at this point. Don't tell anyone, but I kind of agree with Linus. I have, like, for what some people will spend on their vinyl collection, I have my entire house wired up with Wi-Fi enabled smart speakers so that I can stream anything from any device in my house, my kids can, into any room or any combination of rooms i'm sitting here going like that's how you do it ironically again i actually own a turntable but only because youtube sent it out as like a like trendy YouTuber gift and I just it's like branded after the

channel and YouTube and stuff and I gotta keep it yeah now now I just have this well at least you'll have something to play the LTT Christmas album vinyl release on that will not exist um yeah linus was always curious what your go-to badminton kit is what like rackets shoes strings tension everything okay so compared to um hold on archive cool uh compared to i how do i put this so bad the badminton community is either kind of northern european for the most part or skews heavily asian especially southeast asian so the the countries where badminton is huge places like malaysia thailand um j, uh, India, like badminton is enormous in those areas. And then Denmark of all places is like world-class. Um, like they have the number one men's singles player right now, Victor Axelson.

Um, so anyway, my problem is that a lot of badminton equipment tends to be designed more for an Asian audience. or for an Asian audience. So my shoes, for example, are... Ah, yes. I have to get the whatever the wide version of the... I think it's like the 65-something W shoe or something like that. Yeah, it's a something.

It's a Yonex SHB65W or something like that. It's discontinued, but I still wear it because I bought like six of them because they discontinued their wide model for a while. Yeah, I think it's this one. They discontinued their wide model in one generation. I was like, you guys don't have a wide shoe anymore. This is ridiculous. you guys don't have a wide shoe anymore this is ridiculous and then when they brought it back i was like okay well i'm gonna stock up on them so that i never have to worry about that again and i've actually gone through like four of them already so i'm down to i'm down to two more and then i actually just switched rackets uh i just switched to the nano flare 700 uh for you the 5u is super cool which uh it's like super super light i like that about it but the um this one is not nano flare 700 what a name yeah this is not as fragile yeah so there you go and i'm i'm partial to hang you uh tournament number one shuttlecocks there you go uh when deciding whether to make a new video and especially a new video that is different from

existing series do you have oh oh i sorry i left something out i use bg80 strings but i might need to switch because they're really um delicate and i keep breaking them because i miss it at the top of my racket a lot because i'm dumb and i use too much arm and not enough wrist there you go basically more detailed than most people do you trust your experience or instinct when when deciding to jump into like a new category a new type of video that you haven't made before it's got to be both i mean they're inseparable for me so much of my instinct sorry no no compared to like having a scoring system a scoring system yeah systematic score i have no idea yeah no uh it's it's experience and instinct um obviously you know, we will discuss things. I don't just make unilateral decisions, but we are, man, when it comes to creativity, you can't just score things.

Yeah. Like you can rank them. You could go, okay, here's three ideas. Good, better, best, right? Good, better, best. But i don't think you can just quantify that stuff there also might be a worth in making a certain video that is not super tangible yeah we make videos regularly that we know are not necessarily going to perform the best or be the the lowest cost for the highest return in terms of views or sponsorship dollars or whatever else but you know for us it's it's also it's a long game right so we might invest a ton of time and money in having labs test some product that we know is going to perform mediocre at best as a video when i could just react to crazy gaming setups and sit in front of a camera for like 50 minutes and bang out a

video that'll do twice as many views but the reason we do that is because you guys wouldn't care about me reacting to computers unless we were also a reliable valuable source of information about these products that you might actually buy as opposed to the ones that you just like looking at funny videos about. Joseph asks, first time merch message. I was just curious if there's any companies, either tech or not, that you would like to see fail. Is there anyone that you just think the world would be better off without? There's a lot.

Okay. There's tons. Amazon. Really? Fail. Walmart. Okay. Name other things that are similar to that. Gigantic big box stores.

Hold on a second. What about someone like a Google? Would you rather see them fail? No. I think no. And Amazon, when I'm saying Amazon, I'm saying what I think most people, maybe not in this audience, but what I think most people would imagine when they think of Amazon, when I'm saying Amazon, I'm saying what I think most people, maybe not in this audience, but what I think most people would imagine when they think of Amazon, which is like amazon.com. Not necessarily some of the other things that they do. Interesting. Okay, sure. Like AWS.

AWS is not in a monopolistic position. At this time. Yeah. time yeah yeah okay there are competitors there are competitors that are legit and there are competitors that are thriving so it's like okay that's right but i don't amazon.com can can die in a fire all right yeah man i'm having a hard time like walmart can die in a fire i don't need them to i don't need them to fail i just need them to not be as dominant um and like i'm i'm generally just pro competition this is like the the conversation we're having earlier about fines my reason for wanting these ones to fail is because of the damage that they've done to other groups. Oh, I see. So I want them to actually fail.

There are other things where it's like, okay, you're winning a little bit too hard, but you're not like horrifically abusing your low level employees. So, you know, maybe you could do not as well. That would be great.

Right. But I want those ones to fail personally. Yeah. Okay. We've got just a couple more. Jared asks, what do you think about Tesla's not being very friendly in regards to owner repair? Do you think electric vehicles are going to need to be worked on by manufacturers and dealers? I mean, we're generally pro right to repair across the board.

I mean, we're generally pro right to repair across the board. And no, I'm not a big fan of a lot of Tesla's way of doing business. I mean, as as a member of the media in particular, and as someone who values open and honest communication, Tesla crossed a huge red line for me when they dissolved their pr department and basically decided they were just not going to answer questions about anything that was inconvenient for them that's not actually cool that's not being like a chad or whatever that's that's just deciding making a conscious decision to not be accountable um yeah i i don't i don't think that a lot of what tesla does is is very cool i don't want them to fail i you know i overall i i think they they are a force for good in the car market uh more competition is is generally more better from my point of view but i'm i'm not a fan um i haven't seen the final mouse centerpiece keyboard anonymous uh final mouse centerpiece all right fine we'll do this we'll do this live

final mouse centerpiece here we go a 350 keyboard good gravy what okay yeah where's the keycaps am i missing something here wait that was that's the whole thing buy from final mouse okay now hold on just a gosh darn minute here get ready for the impossible it will be impossible to type on this because it has no key cap um how do i that's this is it this is the whole page you have to click get ready for the impossible no no i can't scroll what is it called sorry uh final mouse centerpiece keyboard. Interactive display keyboard. Okay, so here, hold on. We found a video.

Official reveal. Oh my goodness, it's six minutes long. Oh, I see. It has an actual display under it. Is it under it? Yeah, it seems like it. Or are the keys displays? No, I think it's under it. Because you would the switch hardware wouldn't you uh you do yeah that's the switch hardware right there i mean

it's surprisingly see-through that's pretty cool oh wow they are there are keycaps they're just very clear okay that's pretty neat i don't think it's the kind of thing that i would spend real actual dollar reduce on but um definitely cool i i don't actually i'm sure someone will like that i'm sure someone's gonna have like a uh a tour walkthrough that has like a really cool setup with that that's gonna look super sick yeah i i dim my keyboard to the lowest level because i don't need the glare but um i mean yeah i'm cool okay finally linus and luke how do you intend to differentiate uh okay how do you intend to differentiate ltt labs in regards to testing when compared to other review sites such as ratings that's a great question um the biggest way that we plan to differentiate is through

breadth and depth right like that's what it really comes down to is we want to test more categories particularly more i.t categories i mean i don't think pretty much anyone like ratings is really doing a great job of database-like content for products like power supplies. I think that it's underserved, and so we would like to step in there. And I fully intend to continue investing in the lab until we are providing the most possible depth in our, in our coverage. So how are we going to differentiate? I mean, we're going to compete, we're going to compete hard, right? Like we want, we want to, we want to be a leader. We don't want to, we don't want to be a

follower in the space. And I think that's it. thank you very much for tuning in we will see you again next week same bad time, same bad channel, bye that feels short now, doesn't it how long was that show? 3 hours and 40 minutes yeah, it flew by yep

what a world what a thing.