The WAN Show - The Biggest Tech Divorce - WAN Show September 16, 2022

Starting point is 00:00:00 What is up? How are you all doing? Happy Friday and welcome to The WAN Show! We've got a fantastic show lined up for you today. The big news is that NVIDIA is a bunch of a**holes and they're hard to work with. We now have incontrovertible evidence of what I have been saying for quite some time. It might not be hot, but it sure is spicy. The Ethereum merger and moved proof of stake was successful. We'll be talking about that. What else we got?

Starting point is 00:00:30 More NVIDIA news as there are several leaks, including 4090 leakage. Also, YouTube is increasing the number of ads. What? By a lot. Wait, a what? It's like a ton. Oh. Wait, what?

Starting point is 00:00:44 Like five. Holy ton. Oh. Wait, what? Like five. Holy crap. Whoa. This could actually be a problem. Let's go ahead and roll that intro. Talk more about that later. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Viscous Cree over on Flowplane says, slow news day?

Starting point is 00:01:09 What are you even talking about? This is like. This is wild. This is like the best news day we've had in a long time. Okay, let's finish that intro, okay? We'll be back here. You just need to take a seat. Take a seat, slow, viscous Cree.

Starting point is 00:01:25 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, sit down. All right. all right why don't we jump right into the first topic here uh the big one is obviously uh you know i gotta say jay was texting with me last night uh because we were how do I say this without insulting some of the members of our community? Laughing over the fire? We were, no, no, no, no. Well, what we were doing was we were chuckling to ourselves and each other about the number of people that legitimately thought that there was some kind of beef between us.

Starting point is 00:02:22 that there was some kind of beef between us when I uploaded a short yesterday critiquing Jay's dropping skills and showing that I could drop our screwdriver from higher and have it not break. There seemed to be some legitimately concerned members of the community to which I'm really sorry. I guess I should have put a slash S. I would say you are a more experienced dropper.

Starting point is 00:02:44 Yeah, I mean, it's not untrue. Anyway, so we were texting, and he basically goes, yo, okay, I can't tell you anything, but stay tuned. You're going to want, I think that the video going up on my channel tomorrow at noon is going to be WAN show worthy. Oh. To which I will say, Mr. Two Cents,

Starting point is 00:03:07 you appear to have been correct. Let's talk about it. EVGA has ended their partnership with NVIDIA and will be leaving the GPU business outright. Now, this is where things get really interesting. They have cited a lack of respect as a major factor in this decision, saying that it is not purely a profit or, well, I mean, yeah, it's not purely a money-driven decision, which might sound very surprising to, I think, people

Starting point is 00:03:43 from the outside. A lot of businesses just don't operate that way, to be honest. But as someone who has dealt with the partner who I think has caused a lot of EVGA's strife for a long time, this doesn't surprise me even a little bit. And clearly there was at least some financial factoring into the decision. What we see from the numbers that have been reported here are that EVGA's revenue was about 78% graphics cards, about 20% power supplies, and it's worth noting here that that was at 300 higher margin than graphics cards and two percent everything else which is again that's something that doesn't surprise me knowing what i know from being in the retail side that like i couldn't figure out what why evga even bothered to continue

Starting point is 00:04:39 to make motherboards for years and years i couldn't really post 780i 790i i couldn't figure out why they bothered to keep making motherboards because as far as i could tell nobody was buying them and i appear to have been correct um they have committed to support remaining evga gpu warranties and have apparently withheld inventory to help replace and fulfill cards as needed for people whose cards die. They expect to run out of RTX 30 series cards in the span of the next few months here. They are staying in business. They're not planning to sell and they haven't telegraphed any near-term expansion into new categories. Now, this is really, really interesting. Hold on, where is it? Where is it? Crap. Well, let's just run through let's just run through some more of the no no i do want to yes

Starting point is 00:05:47 here we go evga apparently has no plans to work with amd or intel and this is this is interesting because of the partnership i don't want to betray them and they they're referring to uh nvidia and i've got notes in my doc here saying that this is kind of a confusing response. Sure is. Actually, I am not that confused by that. And I can give you a little bit more detail about that. Let's get through some of the facts. So really, this was clearly an at least partially emotional slash principled decision. And here are some of the ways that EVGA has expressed frustration with NVIDIA's way of doing business. They've complained that they withhold

Starting point is 00:06:32 pricing information until their public announcements, including the actual cost of the part. So as a partner, you would be expected to build boards, provide forecasts for your ordering, allocate, I mean, really, NVIDIA does all the allocation now, so. But allocate your boards to your partners, like system integrators or retailers, all without knowing how much the product actually f***ing costs.

Starting point is 00:07:00 And that's not new. That goes way back to when I was still at NCIX, working in product management. NVIDIA would withhold drivers until product launch. So we actually, EVGA actually ran into a pretty bad situation. Was it with the 3000 series launch or 2000 series launch? Where they had those boards that had some kind of defect and they were they were popping under heavy load i can't remember whether it was 2000 or 3000 series too but i could be wrong but that's the kind of thing where if you actually had drivers to validate your product

Starting point is 00:07:35 you might be able to make sure that it's actually going to work before you release it out into the wild um nvidia also strictly enforces uh price ceilings on some of their cards especially flagships removing the ability of board partners to control their margins making high-end boards very difficult to produce and jay said that nvidia shut down cool experiments like dual gpus and more creative designs and all of these claims all of these claims have been corroborated over the years many times by other board partners. I've known of dual GPU boards that have existed well past

Starting point is 00:08:14 when NVIDIA officially supported them that were as far as working samples, but that were never able to see the light of day. I've known of laptop, exotic laptop designs that never got to see the light of day. I've known of laptop, exotic laptop designs that never got to see the light of day, that were as far as all the engineering was done and only NVIDIA's blessing was need to release this product.

Starting point is 00:08:36 But NVIDIA is, I don't think there's really any other way to put it. NVIDIA takes a very control freak approach to their partnerships well yeah to everything um let's just see if there's a few other things that i want to kind of get through in terms of just the facts and then we can get into some of some of my own thoughts on this um let's see oh this is good uh what happens to the employees who work on evga's video cards this is a really important question to answer their ceo claims that no employees will be laid off but restructuring will occur um hey if there's anyone super technical over at evga who wants

Starting point is 00:09:21 to maybe join the media side um you know, you wouldn't be the first refugee who ended up over here, and we'd love to have you share your expertise with the community, kind of keep working. Keep the other GPU makers honest, right? So yeah, my inbox is open. I think you guys know how to get in touch with me. You will have to come to canada

Starting point is 00:09:45 it's not that bad uh so some staff may leave now that their projects have been killed it's definitely a thing that's that's almost certainly going to happen uh let's so let's let's break down let's break down some of these things the withholding pricing thing yeah so i experienced this on the other side of the of the equation so you've got your nvidia you got your board partners you got your retailers right so i saw it on the retail side i they'd go what's your forecast for uh you know gtx 580 and i'd go well what's the pricing and they'd go well what do you need that for it's nvidia it'll sell and i'm sitting here going what do i need that for well because i'm trying to because i'm trying to run a f***ing business here because i have to manage my cash

Starting point is 00:10:28 flow because i i need to know is this a hot launch is this an 8800 gt or is this a freaking you know what okay i'll try to think of something like super crappy gtx 285 like which one is it is it good or does it suck i don't know how many I need unless I know what the performance is supposed to be like. And I know what the pricing is, you numpties. And so I have absolutely had that same experience. And then over the years, after we started Linus Media Group, I think Luke and i both experienced firsthand the frustration of nvidia just oh geez keeping partners in the dark so that they could take all of the fanfare keep all of the excitement for themselves i think really i forget i always forget what board it was but there was there was

Starting point is 00:11:19 a gpu launch do you remember which one was it 1080 it happened to me more than once but 1080 was pretty egregious that was like pinnacle yeah they basically flew in press from all around the world to come sit in the audience while they announced everything gave us absolutely no time to produce content that could go up at least simultaneously with their announcement they had a concert after the announcement which like sounds cool, except you're stuck at this place that's very far away from the hotel. You have nowhere really to shoot. And the one place that you can shoot at has music that you can't have in your video blaring really, really, really loudly in the background.

Starting point is 00:11:59 So you actually couldn't really produce any content on site. If I remember correctly, our video is like in the basement and I'm like standing in front of a bunch of folded chairs and Kyle's video is like out on the street. And I think Paul's video is also out on the street. Like everyone's just like, what do we do? It was ridiculous. NVIDIA's utter disdain for their partners is basically universal.

Starting point is 00:12:24 Whether you are an OEM, like an engineering firm, whether you're media, whether you're a retailer, SI, I think that I'm not the only one who has felt many times like a necessary evil. And I think it's the exact same attitude. I was so, I felt like I needed to be so careful calling out NVIDIA during that hardware unboxed scandal where NVIDIA not just threatened, well, not threatened, not just cut off hardware unboxed from receiving review samples because it wasn't that simple. put pressure on an independent media outlet to change their narrative tune, to change their narrative angle in order to be more favorable to NVIDIA's marketing goals. And it was this

Starting point is 00:13:17 complete and utter misunderstanding and lack of respect for the role of media that I think was one of the most insightful windows into NVIDIA's attitude towards the rest of the industry that we had gotten almost ever up until that point and maybe ever up until now. I think finally, finally seeing one of their partners just drop them and then come out and talk about this is unprecedented. as to skeleton out a video called like nvidia who hurt you or like nvidia why are you mad or something like that where i where i basically would i went around actually i already did the like the investigative work uh calling up nvidia partners um talking to them about their experiences dealing with nvidia where i i kind of just i wanted to do sort of to maybe the softer side of the leadership there to just treat people with respect, be a better partner, share a little bit of share the big success you know like um so why don't we all support each other instead of being so focused on trying to take the most for yourself and i don't know if you remember this but i wasn't able to find that because i thought it was a google doc so i did track it

Starting point is 00:14:53 down today and uh i i'm gonna i'm gonna bring this up this is this is completely unaltered from uh from when i from when i wrote it up uh and so you guys are going to get a little bit more insight into my personal thoughts, maybe than I would have necessarily left in the script. And you'll get a little bit of insight into my writing process, but this is it. So these are the titles I had here. NVIDIA, why are you scared?

Starting point is 00:15:24 Why is NVIDIA a bully? Was kind of what I had in mind. The slogan was, did your parents not praise you enough? That probably would have gotten revised. Oh, boy. I mean, for real, though, the way they act, it's classic bully syndrome, though. It really is. So here's what I had kind of, oh, I haven't talked about this publicly.

Starting point is 00:15:50 One moment, please. I can't read it from here. You know what? You showed your screen. I was like, oh, no. Let's go through some of the other stuff. One of EVGA's frustrations is that NVIDIA has been undercutting their ability to move their product by offering Founders Edition cards at a lower price.

Starting point is 00:16:10 And we've talked about this a fair bit, how NVIDIA is at an unfair advantage with their Founders Edition cards because they have drivers to validate the product. They have access to the GPUs at a much lower level and way earlier than their so-called partners do. They have extra margin because they don't have to worry about, well, the margin of their partner and selling the chip. Usually it comes as a set of chip and memory. So they just keep whatever margin their partner would have made so they can actually undercut

Starting point is 00:16:44 their partners in that way. And the way that it's outlined here is actually exactly that. EVGA needs to buy chips from NVIDIA, but NVIDIA can make the chip and the board for their own cards. And if EVGA doesn't sell, NVIDIA doesn't care because they've already profited on the sale of the GPU to EVGA. Now, this is not quite true, what's in our notes here. So I added a comment that elaborates on this a little bit.

Starting point is 00:17:08 NVIDIA does care a little about their partners. AIBs going out of business outright has a negative impact on the NVIDIA brand, which is why NVIDIA cares. Because now that NVIDIA controls everything down to the box art, I mean, going back even further, you used to be able to download drivers from an aib website yeah your your chain tech geforce card you would download drivers from chain tech.tw or whatever not not so much anymore it's an nvidia card in an nvidia box and you go

Starting point is 00:17:37 to the nvidia website um so now that they have taken such a such control over the way that the products are branded and presented to the customer, well, the customer perception then is that their NVIDIA GPU suddenly has no warranty, which hurts the perceived stability of NVIDIA as a company, which is why they don't actually want their partners going out of business outright. actually want their partners going out of business outright. So their control freak approach then forces them to keep their partners on just enough life support that they don't completely abandon the GPU business. Or at least that's what they've been trying to do. Looks like it's not working. As for why they have so many add-in board partners or AIBs at all, well in the old days, any add-in board partners or AIBs at all. Well, in the old days, I think the main benefit of the strategy was that you could take up more retail shelf space by having more variants of cards

Starting point is 00:18:33 from supposedly different GPU manufacturers with different box art, but all with the same silicon. And so there was this explosion in AIB partners, both for nvidia and for ati back in like the early 2000s where you could go to you could go to a store and there would be there would be a chain tech one i think abit even got into gpus at one point like asus msi there was a lot there there were a ton there were a ton right and And the ad and board partners also acted as a meat shield.

Starting point is 00:19:08 So while NVIDIA might not be able to have like a horrible 5% margin business on their balance sheet as a publicly traded company, and they would be encouraged to ditch that, especially with the support costs that come along with covering, I mean, back then, lifetime warranties were not just EVGA, BFG and EVGA.

Starting point is 00:19:30 Both offered lifetime warranties on GeForce GPUs. It was a pretty cool time to be a customer. Yeah, it sure was. So NVIDIA could use their board partners as this shield to keep this low margin, high risk business away from their books so that their shareholders wouldn't look at it and go, well, what in the heck are you guys doing over there? So it was highly beneficial to have a ton of these AIBs. It also allowed someone like an

Starting point is 00:19:59 NVIDIA or an ATI to artificially make it seem as though there was a ton of choice in the market. So your Diamond GPU might come with Tomb Raider and your MSI version of that same GPU might come with SimCity something and like some other game. So, and I shouldn't even say the perception of choice. It wasn't an illusion. There was actual choice

Starting point is 00:20:21 depending on the game bundles you wanted. I mean, even game bundles, there's no variation between GPU makers because I can tell you this, game bundles do cost the GPU manufacturers money to run, far less than the retail sticker price of the game, but more than $0. And it got to the point

Starting point is 00:20:39 where there was not enough margin left in selling these products for the board manufacturers for them to differentiate based on it. so they would only get any game bundles that were passed down from the parent uh chip manufacturer it's been it's been a it's been a time um still quite the bold move i i find the all the employees are going to be taken care of thing to be very interesting. Well, it is it is such a huge percentage of their revenue. That's also not profit. And at that tiny percentage of margin, I do wonder how much of their business this actually does hit.

Starting point is 00:21:19 It's not like they're losing 80% of their profit. No, they're not. But it looks like it's going to be about half of it at least. I also have to assume there's a lot of very specialized employees. And if they're completely departing GPUs, like... I mean, maybe they go hard into motherboards, but it's never worked for them. So I just don't really know what that would look like. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:42 It's hard to compete. EVGA does have actual manufacturing capacity, though, so that's something. In fact, that's one of the things that EVGA seems pretty frustrated about. Apparently, EVGA was doing manufacturing for Founders Edition cards, and that is no longer the case.

Starting point is 00:22:04 NVIDIA has been... wait, what's it? EVG used to be the primary manufacturer. Oh, of NVIDIA reference cards, until NVIDIA began selling their own Founders Edition cards with the 10 series GPUs. The move towards NVIDIA, and this is going to be interesting. I saw someone talking in the chat earlier

Starting point is 00:22:20 about some of the bad takes, or like wrong takes that I've had over the years apparently I said nintendo wouldn't sell hardware within eight years like on an ancient show or something like that um this is one that I think I probably got right back when nvidia first started selling first party like nvidia branded gpus I'm pretty sure i called it that the writing was on the wall and that was 12 years ago when and it was best buy exclusive and really are you not going to redirect for me here we go it was best buy exclusive and it was only mid-range cards and i can explain to you exactly why this is because nvidia excuse me would have plausible deniability well

Starting point is 00:23:07 it's it's about the partnership with best buy we're just uh you know making sure that there's like a consistent whatever blah blah blah blah blah best buy asked us to you know and don't worry about it don't worry about it it's just like the entry-level geforce cards it's it's not like you know the the high the high big ticket items what's what's that whole thing you you push people right into the point to where they start protesting and then you stop so it seems like there's nothing to protest for and then you push again yes and you just keep going you keep going bit by bit and then eventually evga quits literally literally literally a one decade game plan that's uh that's how they roll um all right so i already talked about the them caring a little bit um okay uh yes okay so let's talk about that quote where evga

Starting point is 00:23:59 doesn't have plans apparently to work with amd or intel GPUs, citing because of the partnership, I don't want to betray them. That is not confusing in the least. NVIDIA never forgives. NVIDIA never forgets. After what happened with the hardware unboxed scandal, the second we went to bat for hardware unboxed, NVIDIA was never going to work with us again. They'll send cards because they can't afford the bad PR of not supporting independent media. They've seen that now, so that's good. At least they learned that much. But they never forgive, and they never forget. And XFX is the only example we need to point to to demonstrate that. XFX used to be NVIDIA exclusive, and they made the switch to Team Red, man, must have been over 10 years ago now. And I can tell you that everyone knew at the time that they would never sell another NVIDIA GPU.

Starting point is 00:25:01 Not ever. And it's just, it's just the way way they are so what evga has done here is they've been i mean now that they've spoken out about nvidia i mean realistically i don't i don't see them ever selling an nvidia gpu again anyway but at least they haven't poisoned the well so much as to as to um as they would if they were to sell like a radeon gpu so what this does in my mind is it leaves maybe not a foot but at least one toe in that door in case they ever want to open it back up and start selling GPUs again. And that wouldn't, it wouldn't even necessarily just be like under the brand name EVGA. Like it wouldn't just be the EVGA brand that would be a problem. I suspect that anyone who was responsible for making that decision to sell Radeon GPUs, even if they formed a new company, I just, I don't see them.

Starting point is 00:26:04 I don't see them getting an NVIDIA board partner. I don't know what it would be a certification, a license agreement, board partner agreement. Jive Turkey asks, I wonder if NVIDIA is nicer to someone like Asus. I couldn't say for sure. But what I can say is that they're not nice to anyone. So make of that what you will. So let's go back to my doc here. Actually, let me just make sure I don't have any identifying information for any of my sources here, because I don't want to get anybody in trouble.

Starting point is 00:26:42 You know what I mean? Okay. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Okay. I think I'm in pretty good shape here. Sorry, guys. I just need a sec. Oh, wow, I actually wrote a lot more of this than I thought. Did I ever read this to you guys?

Starting point is 00:27:15 I don't know. Man, I went really hard. No wonder I didn't release this. This is really long. Holy shnakies. Okay, just... really hard. No wonder I didn't release this. This is really long. Holy snakeys. Okay. Just okay. Holy crap. It's still going. Oh man. Okay. Oh man. Oh man. I've got this whole thing here oh this is great examples of nvidia being a bad guy uh yeah okay well i don't have any personally identifying information so let's go through and let's talk about this a little bit this is a video that i had originally slated for shortly

Starting point is 00:27:58 after april of 2021 and um so i guess what i'm trying to say is while the news of evga terminating their partnership with nvidia um is uh surprising to me it is not shocking so i i i'm not i could have seen some kind of breakdown in relationship coming i just didn't know it was happening now so um i guess this is a good opportunity for us to talk about the the aftermath of the hardware unboxed situation i heard through the grapevine from more than one industry contact that nvidia was trying to put pressure on our partners to reduce their advertising spending with us. Really? Yeah, and it's the kind of thing that I can't verify. No one from NVIDIA is going to tell me that, obviously, right?

Starting point is 00:28:58 And I have no way of knowing if it's true because maybe NVIDIA didn't realize this at the time but at their peak they were like 0.5 of a percent of our annual revenue so i would never have even noticed it anyway and the the funniest part about that was one of the people who told me like seemed really nervous about it like they were going to be the bearer of extremely bad news or something like that. I was like, my brother in Christ, let me tell you. Not only that, but there's like other spots we could have filled that with very easily. I have spent my entire career in media trying to reduce my reliance on industry titans like NVIDIA.

Starting point is 00:29:43 I do not need their money. i'll work with them if it makes sense i'm happy to work with them because let's face it they make products that people love that i love right but do not kid yourself i will survive without them just fine. Um, so, so anyway, that was, that was pretty funny. Um, and you know, I guess what, so what I, what I had to say about that was, you know, why talk to me directly about a problem, explain your viewpoint and resolve our differences like adults that mutually respect each other. When you can just take someone like me who put a toe out of line and make an example out of me. Not that it worked, but they certainly tried. You know, I noted that it's noteworthy that a mere six months ago, I was one of only two influencers tapped to premiere the 8K gaming capabilities of the RTX 3090, making the message clear, no one is safe from retaliation.

Starting point is 00:30:44 And remember, guys, this is a message they weren't sending out to the public. This is a message they were sending out to partners. And it's possible that they knew that they were not going to be able to have any impact on my business because, I mean, they're the cheapest f**ks that I think I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with in this entire industry. It is what it is, right? So maybe they knew. But at the very least, what they were doing was they were showing their partners how anyone could be cut off, no matter how golden boy favorited they might have seemed just a few months ago.

Starting point is 00:31:22 I had in here that I wanted to proactively address any perception that I'm just butthurt about being cut off from the NVIDIA gravy train. NVIDIA, yeah, okay. I had that they were, this is how I put it in the doc. I hadn't checked the exact numbers. It was point whatever percent of our revenue directly. And as a pass-through from partners, it was point whatever percent of our revenue uh directly and as a pass-through from partners it was point something percent like they might feel like they're putting the squeeze on us to bring us back to the negotiating table but uh i put that i felt they were overestimating their bargaining position um now this what this was this is the kind of the big turning point in the script for

Starting point is 00:32:05 years i've seen some of their moves as a kind of 4d chess but looking back with the new context i have their behavior might have just been emotional and reactive rather than calculated and carefully planned and seeing them lose such an important partner as evga kind of reinforces that for me evga and i've been saying it for a long time, was kind of a bit of a golden boy. And I think NVIDIA even thought that considering they had to make their original reference cards back in the day. Like that's a pretty big,

Starting point is 00:32:35 pretty important partner to lose. And hopefully they get the message. And then I pointed out that the hardware in box situation is such a perfect example of this they did something objectively awful they got predictably called out on it so I was sitting here going nah dog there's like there's a master plan here but then instead of the master plan becoming clear they walked it back in public and then based on what I've been able to gather since

Starting point is 00:33:03 I've never been able to understand what that master plan might have been. I don't even think they still understand that what they did was wrong. They just, you know, touched something hot and got burned, and they're like, okay, well, I guess I won't touch that again.

Starting point is 00:33:17 But I don't think they've made the connection that fire hot, you know? Do you kind of get what I mean? Because here they were putting pressure on media a media outlet again over wrong think and it's like you guys you guys still don't get it do you like it actually that isn't going to work that is not how this works um the only way that it was smarter was by being sneakier by not talking to me directly. But even that's not that smart because this is the thing you guys got to understand. Hardware industry is so small. It's so small. And it's

Starting point is 00:33:53 not just small in terms of the number of people working in it. It's small in terms of the relationships, the connections. It's inbred, right? Over a a span over the span of the 15 plus years that i've been in the industry i've seen individual people who have represented you know half a dozen different companies so you got to be really nice to people because you never know if you're going to be working shoulder to shoulder with them a year from now but that's something that nvidia has never understood never understood um i had in here that i should do uh that i should do a really good explanation of mdf so that's marketing development funds um so it's nvidia's money to do with what they will it's like an incentive program for you to sell more or market NVIDIA products. And what it really is, though, is a form of control.

Starting point is 00:34:52 It is necessary for the survival of much of the PC component and system ecosystem. And you need to look no further than MainGear and Newegg's attempted IPOs. They're not profitable enough to go public. Newegg's attempted IPOs. They're not profitable enough to go public. And the reason for it, well, part of the reason for it is that there's no margin in just selling the components. And the only thing that keeps them propped up is this marketing development funding that forces them to just push, push, push, push, push, drive the price lower, keep the volume up so that you can keep getting these kickbacks so that you can just survive another quarter. I had in here to talk about percentages of kickback that I'm aware of from my time at NCIX.

Starting point is 00:35:31 I don't remember any of the percentages, unfortunately, so I wouldn't be able to do that. And then the dynamic is that they use MDF to rob you blind up front and then give your money that you need back to you for fulfilling certain duties that they dictate. It's rough. To be clear, I don't have a better solution because another problem in the computer industry is that it's like, I don't get it. Whether it's retailers or whether

Starting point is 00:36:02 it's system integrators, there's this race to zero. If NVIDIA were to drop the price on RTX 3080 by $10, I guarantee you that the retailers wouldn't, and to be clear, I'm not promoting collusion. I'm not saying that they should collude. But what I will say is that they're not smart enough to make $10 for a couple weeks. Just wait and see how sales go.

Starting point is 00:36:24 Maybe we could just make $10 for a change, but Just wait and see how sales go. Maybe we could just like make $10 for a change, but they just won't do it. So in a way, MDF is the way to make sure that the little mom and pop shops who will do anything to get someone to walk through their door, including selling at a loss, can't just continue to trash the price of the product and take all the margin out of it for everyone. So yeah, I don't have a better solution, but it is a toxic power dynamic. What else? Oh yeah, so I had the whole bit where ARM partners were upset about the potential NVIDIA acquisition of ARM. And then, you know, my point there was, maybe if you guys weren't such a-holes, this wouldn't happen. Did you ever think of that?

Starting point is 00:37:13 That's no longer in the news, so that's not really a relevant one. But I have a point here. I thought long and hard about whether to make this video. I'm already on Apple's list. And alienating industry titans isn't the best path to a long and successful career um but hey whatever right uh everyone that i talked to this was really interesting supported the basic idea of doing this video but would not go on the record for me that was one of the big problems

Starting point is 00:37:40 that ultimately canned this concept was that nobody would come out and say yeah they're awful uh project green light is awful um the the way that they the way that they handled g-sync certification is awful like they just they just wouldn't do it ah yeah um yeah i like dvga cards i'm sad yep so i had to do a recap of what happened with hardware in box um yeah so here's where we actually got into the scripted part of the video i get it only the paranoid survive but there's a limit you can't and probably don't even want to win 100% market share. So why do you keep tightening your grip? Let's not pretend this pressure on the media through hardware and box was somehow an isolated incident. The difference is that most of NVIDIA's pressure gets applied to

Starting point is 00:38:36 partners behind the scenes who are much more susceptible to damage to their business than an independent media outlet who is going to be more and more funded directly by their viewers. And then I had massive shout out, by the way, to my floatplane peeps and my LTTstore.com shoppers. Let's go. So it comes across petty, emotional, and scared. Are you really so insecure that when you're in a position of unassailable power, you need to put down everyone else who thrives in your ecosystem to reassure yourself you're the top dog? You're top dog.

Starting point is 00:39:05 There. I said it. Can we put it behind us now? Is it an insurance policy? So next time you release a GTX 480, you'll be able to force manufacturing partners to market it under their high-performance sub-brands. Don't think we've forgotten GPP. Do you want to suppress independent evaluation of your products?

Starting point is 00:39:21 Well, guess what? When and if that happens, we're all going to immediately break ranks because the only thing you'll have over us is money and the second your partners realize that selling GeForce and G-Sync isn't the most profitable move anymore they're gonna turn tail and run because you are f***ing a**holes. So here's an idea. How about treating your partners with respect and dignity? You don't have to fight over every scrap anymore. There is lots to go around. The craziest part of all this is that sometimes NVIDIA is super cool. We praised the transparency of their move to release their

Starting point is 00:39:49 internal tools for evaluating total board power for graphics cards and click-to-photon latency to the public. What was really telling about that was that it projected confidence. NVIDIA went out and equipped a big cross-section of independent media with the tools they needed to hold graphics card manufacturers, including NVIDIA, accountable for meeting the specs they advertised and delivering the best gaming experience beyond FPS. Obviously, from my experience with NVIDIA, I know that I wouldn't have received any such tool if they weren't confident that it would show that NVIDIA is king, but NVIDIA has tons of smart people working there who know that that may not always be the case, and if they give us these tools now, it could reflect poorly on them at some point in the future.

Starting point is 00:40:28 But they did it anyway, because smart people at NVIDIA know that a strong, well-informed independent media results in more educated customers, which pushes their competition to do better, which pushes them to do better. The smart people at NVIDIA want feedback about what they can do to make their products better. I know for a fact there are suits there who wish it wasn't this way, and that NVIDIA could just control all the messaging to consumers directly. But like it or not, we're the conduit. We're the ones who look at our audience feedback all day, every day.

Starting point is 00:40:57 We are the ones who have that relationship, not you. And I guess I should thank you for this latest move, because if you keep going about your business this way, consumers will never trust you, and they will always need us. Now, I had a little not-finished paragraph here where I said, there are problems with this model. Personal biases, echo chambers, lack of control, potential for corruption. But as long as we're engaging in good faith and with mutual respect, it's served us well for 20 plus years and can serve us for another 20.

Starting point is 00:41:29 So with that in mind, NVIDIA, I think it's time to reflect on your pride. I'm not saying not to feel proud. If I wore a green name badge, I'd be proud of everything the team accomplished there too. It's mind-blowing. I'm just talking about this inability to take constructive criticism. Yeah, so there's a little bit more, but I just... I think that's the main point. It's a shame.

Starting point is 00:41:57 Yeah. And it doesn't have to be this way. Yeah. I don't have a ton to add except that nvidia was extremely extremely frustrating to work with when i was still doing coverage of things um one of my favorite things to do ever was to go on the road and cover things do shows do stuff like that and it was always actually insanely frustrating to do any nvidia event because every time i'd know that like there was going to be a major problem and like i used to do basically every road show with brandon

Starting point is 00:42:30 and every time that like brandon and i would meet before to talk about like what we're going to do it'd be like it's another nvidia event so let's make sure we're ready to shoot in any possible condition because they're going to actively try to make it so it's hard for us so we got to like be ready to fight to be able to make a video like it was it was actually crazy you'd you'd work with anyone else and they'd they'd be like tripping over themselves trying to make sure that you can make the video properly and to be clear uh amd and intel have both had their fair share of completely stupid events that have made it very difficult to cover them. You always took those. I never,

Starting point is 00:43:06 but yeah. Nvidia had a special way of having a little F you buried in the difficulty. It felt very intentional. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so yeah,

Starting point is 00:43:19 that's all I can really add, but yeah. Yeah. Um, our, our last discussion question here is what's next for evga i don't know it makes me concerned could they be the next n tech um people have pointed out xfx as well um i hope they do well i've talked to wancho a bunch of times that i really like nvidia because of some some real bro moves they did in the past way before i was doing this um and they seem to have been able to maintain their high quality and trustworthiness status

Starting point is 00:44:00 basically this whole time yeah let's acknowledge some good things nvidia provides in the tech industry a nearly unprecedented level of legacy product support yep like they are still providing security drivers for kepler for kepler that's actually pretty crazy i mean imagine if you're imagine if your android phone maker was actually giving you software updates for that long i mean there'd be less e-waste in the world it's a good thing not like they've been doing well with linux but they do good things well look i told we're focusing on good things i was trying to give evga good things you stepped in and started giving nvidia good things this was not this was not a oh well evga i mean it's no secret that they do good things yeah yeah yeah but yeah nvidia does too it's just

Starting point is 00:44:45 they deserve this but i hope in doing this evga doesn't end up cleaving their own employees and also themselves that's all i have to say yeah yeah we've got people talking about how they're gonna miss evga hey dude it's mike in Twitch chat says EVGA replaced a like five generation old card for me once with zero hassle. And that's the problem. That's why EVGA needs out of this business because their brand reputation is that they want to be bros like that. Because Nvidia dictates how much their products cost, how much they're allowed to sell them for, what they're allowed to innovate on. And they're sitting here going, well, how are we supposed to maintain our reputation for supporting these products properly when we can't even make any f***ing money? Yeah. I understand the confusion now, by the way. Apparently I accidentally said Nvidia, but I meant I was talking about EVGA.

Starting point is 00:45:44 I probably just read it at the same time. But yeah, EVGA has always has always been great. So I, I hope they figure it out. I hope they can stay around. Motherboards is a scary business. There's already very established partners that I think people default to and motherboards aren't a super like sexy product. So I think if they work and you bought that brand before, you might just do it again because you believe it's going to work again and that's all you really needed to do. Here's a tough question. Who do you go to for your next GPU then?

Starting point is 00:46:15 Yeah, I don't know. It's weird. There's no one with a spotless reputation at this point. To support their kind of argument though, if you look at my computer right now, do you remember what's in it? Do you have Founders Edition cards? You picked it.

Starting point is 00:46:31 Yeah, okay. So, GG. NVIDIA wins. They just sell Founders Edition cards and take the margin? If I was still buying cards because of what EVGA has done for me directly in the past, I'm not saying that other people should do this, but what EVGA has done for me directly in the past i'm not saying that other people should do this but what evga has done directly for me in the past i would buy

Starting point is 00:46:50 another evga card um but i didn't buy a card i got one from work all right so yeah i don't know i really hope they make it because i like evg a lot but yeah all right well why don't we move on to our next topic let's talk about the i have a i have a bit of a curveball for a potential next topic oh or wait can we even do it right now uh no never mind let's keep going and i'll make sure that's good for the next one chase has curated a whopping 38 merch messages for us so far that's a few um oh okay well one of them we just did so benedice i think we just addressed yours uh we'll have to get through some of these but we'll do them a little bit later let's get through a couple more tech topics first the ethereum merger and the move to proof of stake was successful

Starting point is 00:47:41 um it's the merging of ethereum's main network with the layer that uses the new consensus mechanism. Basically, proof of stake has been in a sort of trial period for a while until now, and this move has been actually quite a few years in the making. Proof of stake is good because it reduces the amount of computational work that's needed to verify blocks and transactions. Pools of Ethereum act as validators for transactions instead of solving complex math problems. To become a validator, it takes 32 ETH, Ether, I guess it would be, whatever, 32 Ethereum,

Starting point is 00:48:15 which is over 60,000 US dollars though. So if the whole idea was, it's decentralized, man, it's out of the hands of the elites, man. It's specifically in the hands of the elites man um it's specifically in the hands of the elites man yeah so that's cool uh people can pool resources though to become validators similar to mining pools that's i mean that kind of solves that but you can no longer mine ethereum proof of work does still work for ethereum classic but it's not exactly profitable. Even with cheap power and efficient cards, mining on a GPU is now a very tough sell. The price has also dropped. Ethereum was above $1,700 just a couple days ago. It is now at $1,400. It's almost like people just want to

Starting point is 00:48:57 mine on their GPUs for sport, and it was never about it actually being practical to buy things with Ethereum. Bitcoin was also dropped from almost 23,000 US dollars. It had recovered a little bit down to 19 and a half today. Okay. Wow. Vitalik, the Ethereum creator, says this should reduce global power consumption by 0.2%. Can that possibly be right? Because that is bananas.

Starting point is 00:49:32 Okay. That's a bit. That's a bit. The White House has put out a framework for regulating crypto in the US. They have a laptop? It's been in the works for about six months. The new guidelines are meant to position the country as a leader in governance of the digital assets ecosystem at home and abroad.

Starting point is 00:49:53 And the Treasury will complete an illicit finance risk assessment on decentralized finance by the end of February 2023. The framework points out that a stable USD-based coin could promote financial inclusion and equity by enabling access for a broad set of consumers. So an official cryptocurrency. It's even more centralized, man. To make stable coins safer, the administration says the Treasury will work with financial institutions to bolster their capacity to identify and mitigate cyber vulnerabilities by sharing info, promoting a wide range of data sets and analytical tools. What does that even mean? Sure. It means the government

Starting point is 00:50:32 is getting involved in our crypto. Oh boy. We'll see. Oh my gosh. Okay, this is from Plouffe. Discussion question. What happens now? Will anything really change other than graphics cards being cheaper linus coin when no the graphics cards becoming cheaper thing has been pretty

Starting point is 00:50:51 crazy have you looked into that at all i know whoa it's wild there is uh there is we ain't filming scrapyard wars right now but it might be the time for you to do your own yeah oh uh getting into our next topic then there were some leaks from nvidia uh next tuesday they are expected to announce their upcoming generation of gpus at their geforce beyond event and in classic tech fashion it's all spoiled so keeping everything to yourself yeah that works really well you guys um and there is a torrent of information on the upcoming gpus. Oh no, this wasn't the thing that I had wanted to talk about. There had been rumors that NVIDIA was tightening supply of 30-series chips to keep prices from falling even further.

Starting point is 00:51:37 I don't see where that was in the doc, but I thought it was in here somewhere. Anywho, the newest leaks from Zotac, GALAX, Gigabyte, and Lenovo. Is Lenovo going to be your EVGA replacement go-to? No. No? Are you sure? Yep. Are you sure you don't want Lenovo as your EVGA replacement?

Starting point is 00:51:54 Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I'm not going to be Lenovo. So here's the leaked Lenovo images here. I mean, it looks pretty chonky. That's a big boy. That's a big boy. Oh, he pretty chonky. That's a big boy. That's a big boy. He's a big boy. He's a big boy.

Starting point is 00:52:12 Who's a big boy? You are. Seven heat pipes. Gigabyte. The Gigabyte leaks shows some box art. Here you go. Look at that. It looks like an NVIDIA card

Starting point is 00:52:26 because they control what the box art can look like. Hey! What keeps happening? Stop. Okay, sorry. I'm trying to show you guys here. RTX 4090. That font doesn't look very NVIDIA-y.

Starting point is 00:52:38 Are they changing their official font? Because that looks stupid. You'd think if they're going to be control freaks about it, they'd at least settle on something good. Do they're pretty good at at branding yes um there's some zotac pictures over on baidu that's a oh oh there's some there's some rtx spicy um so yeah these will be if you want to keep supportingIA, which realistically we're all going to because they like make really good GPUs, then yeah. What if gaming has compiled the latest leaked specs? It looks like we're going to be clocked over two gigahertz, almost, wow, two and a half

Starting point is 00:53:17 gigahertz boost. That's wild. 16,384 CUDA cores on the RTX 4090, 450 watts of total board power, and it's going to be built on TSMC's 5nm process. Pretty exciting. Notably, no cards have shown an exposed NVLink connector, meaning that perhaps SLI is finally dead for real. It's one of the first things people have been looking for

Starting point is 00:53:44 for like years. Spot the Envy link. Where is it? Can we still do like monster 3DMark runs? Come on, can we still do it? The answer is no. Our discussion questions here from Adam Asundagod are, what excites you about the next generation of NVIDIA GPUs?

Starting point is 00:54:03 They'll be faster. Yeah. Yeah. yeah big big fast there's still there are technically still some games out there that need it okay yeah cyberpunk yeah yeah start uh you know start hey no cyberpunk's gonna get cool because like yeah no no no no they gave the community okay hold on hold on what did they chase do you know what's going on with this uh so cyberpunk has changed the the way that they're going to release it so i think they're having one main dlc come out and set it to but it's like free for everyone i think and then the mod tools are like the tools they use to like basically make the game yeah so yeah so now the community can actually yeah a couple years, the game will be, like, fucking amazing. Hey, dang language, sir!

Starting point is 00:54:46 No, no, producer goes away, producer goes away. Only I may fucking swear. Okay, yeah, so, yeah, once the modding community, if they do, Yeah, then RTX 4090, Cyberpunk 2077, 2025.

Starting point is 00:55:05 Yeah. Well, 2024, 2025. Yeah. Or 2024, maybe. Or later. Yeah. It might take a while. Yeah, we'll see. Yeah. That's true.

Starting point is 00:55:15 That's true. But the better the result. There's going to be a learning curve here. If people really want to do it. Speaking of better the result, I have a thing. Oh. LTT Store. Should we talk about that thing oh ltd store should we talk about that the new one we should talk about that yeah okay so wait that yeah you want to talk about that yeah this is the week oh my gosh we deferred it one week this is the week we're here let's go to your

Starting point is 00:55:39 screen it's time to go uh i mean you can just go to it yourself if you want it's ltt store test dot my shopify dot com this is a test site uh we are looking for feedback do not email support don't i i don't know if i can even say this but if you email support i think they should just delete it they will and not respond they will they will not respond don't do that yeah they have actual tickets way too much stuff to do there is a feedback form it's in the announcement banner at the top of the site you can click on it don't bring it to a google form it is not required that you fill out every section so if you want to leave feedback on just part of the website it's done like by page so there's like home page feedback collections paid feedback product page feedback whatever um and you can you can fill out whatever you're

Starting point is 00:56:25 interested in filling out on the forum you can poke around this is uh the new theme this is what we want to launch onto the store are you going to show us around a little i can yeah i'll poke us i'll poke us through some while you do that i have a pretty big announcement oh speaking of the uh the thing that's on screen right now i think is what he's doing yeah oh oh my so heavy oh geez that's a lot that's a lot of stuff finally here yeah that's a lot. That's a lot of stuff. Finally here.

Starting point is 00:57:02 Yeah. The big boy. The big boy is here. The big boy is on the store. Okay, Luke, go ahead. Go ahead. Show us around. Yeah, I'm just cruising around

Starting point is 00:57:17 while you do this, but it should be very familiar to the experience that you have right now but modernized a little bit changed in a few different ways improved in a few different ways it's on a new uh shopify system uh conrad calls this the dusk theme but it's on a new shopify it's built modified from a new shopify theme called dawn uh so it should come with more extensibility and more things that we can do to it in the future as well which is good uh because the theme that we were on was going to be problematic in that regard um but yeah it's here i guess i could like mock check out something

Starting point is 00:57:55 why don't you show us some of the like cool work that the team has done like why don't you show us um of the neat filters and stuff? Filters and stuff. Right. Okay. So there's a couple new things, I guess. When you're looking through products, so let's go to water bottle. A couple new things.

Starting point is 00:58:15 We redid the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Instead of scrolling all the way down the page for like a million years because the Creator Warehouse team lovingly wants to have 300 000 photos for every single product hey look now benefit you now you there's just this thing on the side that you can scroll through here you can see all these images that i'm flying through i mean it's not entirely on screen let me there there we go i gotta fit it over us there we go now i can scroll through images over here i can click on whichever ones I want and it'll enlarge it on the right hand side. And it looks all good. I like this part a lot.

Starting point is 00:58:52 I'm trying to remember everything else that changed. I've been looking at this theme for so long that it's hard to remember what all changed. Darn. I know there was that. There's also, oh right. Okay. Filters filters and stuff so if i go to all products there's filters on the side and this page scrolls forever so we'll just keep loading things that is also new yeah yeah we have a lot of products uh yeah this is a lot of things yeah um and yeah you can you can sort by different stuff. If you change your main, like if you go to clothing or gear, it will change the available filters

Starting point is 00:59:29 on the left-hand side. It was kind of wild going to the backpack pop-up, which we did at our distribution center because I get a run rate report every week that shows how much inventory we have. But there's a big difference between seeing the number 1000 in like a an on-hand column in a spreadsheet and seeing a thousand water bottles

Starting point is 00:59:55 you know what i mean um speaking of a thousand water bottles we have a lot of these in stock to give you some idea of the scale of this magnificent beast of a 64 ounce water bottle this is our 40 ounce which is already a pretty chunky boy and this is our 20 what is it 22 whatever like 20 ish ounce this is the original ltt water bottle it's like little tiny baby water bottle by comparison it is insulated just like the uh the 2022 i think it's 22 like the 22 and the um the 40 ounce um uses the cap, the same new cap style as the 40 ounce and is available in a ton of different colors. We have, this has been one of the most requested products for the store in the last year. So hopefully you guys all, hopefully you guys all enjoy that. Oh yeah. Quick, quick note about the store page is that payments are disabled.

Starting point is 01:01:07 If you do get through, it's just going to be canceled. You can't actually buy things on the test store. We will manually cancel them if you get through. I'm trying to remember other things that changed, but there's a lot of stylistic stuff. Yeah. Okay. I think there was some stuff in the checkout but yeah you guys should just check it out yourself if you're interested and leave feedback on the forum yeah we want to make it a better we want to make it a better site oh

Starting point is 01:01:35 yeah this is different oh this is uh this is related to what is in your cart looks like we got some photo squish on the backpack well yeah probably something to look into address that no no that's the new that's the new small version of the backpack oh you have micro packs it's the it's the short boy version it's specifically made for me wide bag yeah it's for walking through the halls of the kremlin yeah yeah yeah exactly that song should play from the meme when you're on the page guys stop leaving me feedback in float plane chat use the form please yeah float plane chat is not manageable to to compile feedback yeah thank you though we appreciate the effort yeah in other ltt store news uh is it just the water bottle or is there something else going on oh we have no we

Starting point is 01:02:23 have uh two new colors of the waffle shirt yes this is one of them i believe this is yeah this is olive and there's also wine um and if you buy abcs of gaming you get a free dad hat that makes a lot of sense yeah because you're a dad so you need a hat and a book to read to your child yep just add bolt to cart and the discount applies automatically so you don't need to actually type anything in. Okay. So here are our colors for the waffle long sleeve. We've got olive. What a nice picture. Great work, David.

Starting point is 01:02:51 We've got charcoal. We've got wine. And we have ultramarine. Four different colors of the waffle. It's a popular one. People love the waffle. So now we have even more couloirs. I like, this is probably

Starting point is 01:03:07 the only time you're going to hear me say this, but I like wine. You like the wine color. Yeah. Looks nice. Looks sharp. Looks very like warm and Christmassy and we're slowly transitioning into those seasons. Not quite there, but getting there. Alright. You know what? Let's

Starting point is 01:03:23 do our sponsors and then I want to talk about how I was significantly injured fighting Dennis this week. Yeah. I also have an update on the stray cats that I found in my yard. Ah, good.

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Starting point is 01:06:20 So, what will you do with 11 more hours each week? All right. And to be fair, we did make an update to the LTX website recently. Very small one. You can go to it right now. Sorry you haven't been able to go to LTX in three years. Yeah. Now, I saw you working on a floor plan.

Starting point is 01:06:40 Is that an LTX floor plan? That is an LTX floor plan. I think you've already mentioned this or someone mentioned this. We have purchased, we've secured the dates for LTX 2023. Have we? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:54 Look at that. Look at that. Wait, we secured the dates, but you don't have the dates? Well, I don't want to tell the dates because I don't remember them exactly. Oh. And I certainly don't remember them remember them wait aren't you the organizer

Starting point is 01:07:07 no yeah okay we're turning off the producer cam again this guy i want i want bell back where's my where's my crowned and caped jake bella vance that's pretty funny though okay so i got injured at work this week you did i watched it um i'm not gonna spoil the result for you but all i can say if you guys haven't been if you guys haven't been keeping up uh let's just go to twitter.com slash is it just i've had so much fun uh over the last little bit saying like dennis is fighting linus in the way that uh what's his name is it tank in in the matrix says morpheus is fighting neo i've been trying to i've no one's ever gotten the reference because how could you did not get there but i've been i've been really enjoying that um uh redacted retract, by the way,

Starting point is 01:08:07 asks if the Backstreet Boys are playing in Vancouver next year. I don't know, but I saw them this year. So I have ticked that off my bucket list. And for those of you who don't get that reference, I missed my Backstreet Boys concert twice. I had tickets and missed it twice because LTX absolutely had to be on the exact same day that they were playing in Vancouver. So let's go over to my screen here for a second for those of you out of

Starting point is 01:08:29 the loop dennis has spent uh the better part of this month being trained in a combination of taekwondo and kickboxing and krav maga and what and k Maga. I don't even know what that is. Oh. What is it? Well, he didn't use it, so. Is it like dangerous MMA stuff or what? I think you'd probably consider it that. Like people were like attacking him with knives

Starting point is 01:08:55 and he had to defend himself. Oh, sure. Okay. Fake ones, but yeah. So Dennis has been getting trained up in preparation for a fight with yours truly. That fight took place on Wednesday of this week. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:11 And Dennis's post-fight teaser is, my feet hurt a lot from kicking Linus. Make sure you follow channel Superfun for the video. My post-fight teaser fight teaser here hold on he's actually got he's got a few more interesting videos on his personal twitter uh yeah this this is this is something so that's what i was talking about yeah okay not that he could have even used that yeah he's been doing some practicing uh this is super appropriate. Burning the eyes out of a picture of me for sparring practice. Anyway, the point is the fight took place on Wednesday of this week.

Starting point is 01:09:51 I'm not going to spoil the result. But my teaser is that whatever you think the outcome is, you will be surprised. Do you think that's fair to say? Absolutely, yeah. As for what happened to me, I have been limping around. I unfortunately aggravated an old existing injury in my left knee. I have a torn meniscus in my left knee that was not so deep that I had to get surgery. When I took a few months off at the beginning of

Starting point is 01:10:25 covid lockdowns it actually healed up well enough that i've been able to do anything that i would want to do for quite a while now um but didn't heal enough that i don't have to worry about re-injuring it and i did unfortunately re-injure it how bad is it adding some tension and drama to the video for sure because it happened about halfway into real life um it's pretty bad so when it was at its worst um i don't know i'm gonna be careful here when it was at its worst i could only go down about this far before it would give up yeah when it was at its best like support up until no no no i'm good i've got the table when i when it was at its best up until the match on wednesday i was able to go all the way down

Starting point is 01:11:11 heel to butt and then lift myself up with just one leg now should you do this i can get to about here and Wow. And that's it. Oh, boy. And that's with me icing it and doing basically nothing for the last two days. Someone said, I think Linus won since he was a high rank in some martial art. So was Dennis. So was Dennis. Dennis actually, surprisingly, has a black belt in Taekwondo. Both of us trained about 20 years ago. Fought in taekwondo both of us trained about 20 years ago fought in taekwondo

Starting point is 01:11:48 and both of us have black belts but like first degree black belts in our respective martial arts so and i mean i guess we both got injured so it was it was interesting i want to say so much but i can't yeah we'll have to wait you guys have to watch the video first we'll have to wait it is what it is do we know when it's coming out i know there's like a lot of footage um because of all of his training and stuff I have no idea I think it's going to be a bit of a longer edit So guys I'm sorry to tease you I want to talk about it

Starting point is 01:12:30 Oh well It's okay It's okay Should we talk about Google ads? Do you even really want to? This is terrible This is terrible I'm going to give the stray cats update first.

Starting point is 01:12:45 Okay. We have taken them to the vet once. Okay. They have their first vaccination shots, but because they were near other stray cats up until the very moment we captured them and brought them inside, it's possible that they are positive

Starting point is 01:13:02 for very horrible cat diseases that they can't detect yet. So that vaccine they gave them is hoping that they don't already have like feline HIV or whatever. Yeah. But if they do, we can test them in a month, find that out. And if they don't have it, then we can give them their second booster neuter them and they're good to stay but it is to stay but it is possible that they have just health problems that are that are going to be a problem because the thing is from our point of view um dash was here first our our existing cat i I think you got to treat it that way. And there's no way that if this is going to be an unbearable burden on her that we can go forward.

Starting point is 01:13:52 And I would say if they had an infectious disease that could put her health at risk, then that's just not how it's going to go. So right now we have them cordoned off downstairs. We have her cordoned off upstairs and they have no, they have no access to each other. How's Dash feeling about? She has been a little pissy ever since we first brought them into the house. She's chilled out a little bit.

Starting point is 01:14:15 What I'm hoping is that we can go real slow. So they'll just be in the house and then they'll be on the other side of a transparent plastic barrier. And then they'll be on the other side of a transparent plastic barrier and then they'll be on the other side of like maybe a mesh barrier and then they'll be in the same space you do really similar things with birds and we'll see yeah we'll see what we'll see what happens

Starting point is 01:14:36 see if they kind of get over it i think it might be fun for her she's been getting a little fat um so it might be nice for her to have someone to play with play yeah yeah sure so we're just going to take it real slow we're not gonna we're not gonna force it and if she decides yeah you know what i'm gonna be just like the aloof you know alpha and i want nothing to do with you guys then that's chill because i think these boys are very close to each other um and if she decides she wants to be you know super super into playing with the kittens, then, hey, that's great too.

Starting point is 01:15:08 So that's the update. We won't know for a month if we can keep them. So we're going to try and keep the kids from naming them because otherwise that would be pretty rough. Oh, boy. But if they get a clean bill of health, then the plan is to go ahead and keep them. Is there any issues, like can can anything they're carrying transfer maybe not to you but can it like linger on your clothes so we need to wash our hands like like the for realsies like for 30 seconds wash our hands after we touch them but other than that

Starting point is 01:15:35 they said no it's not a problem for dash clothes are fine you just need to wash your hands okay cool good to know yeah so um and then oh also there's a there's a local organization that we're working with to put some cameras up in the yard and hopefully figure out because they think it's a colony it turns out the mom that was going around the yard looking for them after we captured them was not mom it was dad oh which they said was very unusual but they are as sure as i was that it is dad because the second i brought the big cat into the bathroom where i had them at that point everyone calmed down like that clearly he was looking for them oh wait super unusual for cats so wait you you caught the third oh yeah we did catch dad oh dad has already been surrendered to a no-kill uh like rehabilitation organization for feral cats um yeah that's cool

Starting point is 01:16:32 it's not even so much that like it would be impossible but i think that integrating um an adult cat huge adult feral cat with with dash and with the little kids was just a little beyond our bandwidth at the moment seems fair yeah okay moving on youtube youtube youtube why not have five ads at the beginning of a video why not seems cool to me because i'm already putting five ads in the video that's gonna make it 10 i mean you asked the question they did they did say a youtube rep noted this may happen with bumper ads that don't exceed six seconds and i mentioned earlier in this video something about pushing until people protest and then pushing again later. But anyways, people are seeing ads already, apparently, that are longer than 10 seconds, so that's cool.

Starting point is 01:17:33 I've also seen a screenshot of 10 ads. Maybe that was doctored. I don't know. What? YouTube told PCMag that this was part of a small experiment that showed users a bunch of ads at the beginning of a longer video rather than spacing them out. The spokesperson said the experiment is now concluded. Okay. You know what the really funny thing is?

Starting point is 01:17:59 One of the reactions in floatplane chat was, man, now I'm going to have to get premium. Oh, yeah. Okay. Apparently it's not five. That's how you let them win. It's five to 10. Five to 10?

Starting point is 01:18:11 Yeah. That is absolutely wild. Apparently someone got ads on premium. That honestly straight up sounds like a bug. So tell me this. If I watch six ads before the video starts, do I not have to sit through any mid-rolls? I think that's what they were saying.

Starting point is 01:18:31 It's a small experiment that shows a bunch of ads at the beginning of the video rather than spacing them out. Okay. But again, there's that whole thing where you push a little bit and you can push more later on. So like, yeah, we stack them all at the beginning

Starting point is 01:18:44 because it's a long video. maybe if the creator wants they can enable throwing a big one in the middle too or something and then we keep going from there apparently someone had 10 unskippable ads on their video earlier today that's a little much i actually man i forgot how much uh ads on youtube drive me crazy because i i allowed my credit card information to lapse in my google account i did the same thing recently about a week ago yeah and i didn't even know that in youtube music it you can't like play a specific song in your song in your playlist like if you don't have a paid account? It will go to it eventually. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:28 But it starts with other stuff. Yeah. And then there's ads between each song. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. I've just stopped listening to music entirely. I turned on the radio. I didn't realize I had let it lapse,

Starting point is 01:19:40 and then I was on a drive, and it started playing ads, and I was like, what the heck? And I figured it was going on. And I looked at my dash really oddly and like slowly pressed the like turn on FM radio button and I was like what wow it's it's been a long time do you still work airwaves airwaves are you out there airwaves is this transmission still going on apparently it was so that was cool it was legitimately better

Starting point is 01:20:06 than listening to google play music with ads so sounds good fantastic yeah um discussion question is this the death of youtube and what happens to us if it is no it's not because google will keep pushing to the brink i mean that's their game right um there already are five six ads on some videos particularly like you know 15 20 30 minute videos if creators enable if creators enable just algorithmically placed mid-rolls youtube will serve you an ad as often as they think you'll tolerate so one of the things i've noticed is that on my personal account, I actually get served fewer ads than I do on some of our corporate accounts.

Starting point is 01:20:49 Oh, do you abandon? Because I will just abandon. I will close the app when I get an ad. And not because it's like some form of silent protest, but because I just honestly was done pooping anyway. Wasn't worth it, yeah yeah and so i'll just leave so my ad tolerance is extremely low and they know they know that so they will serve based on what your tolerance is yikes yeah but it's not the end of youtube no chance even close there's just

Starting point is 01:21:20 there's nothing else like it they also experiment and push and pull back and try different things like they're so huge that they can absorb a little bit of a downturn and then figure their stuff out. Absolutely. And it's not like they rolled this out en masse. So I'm not panicking yet, but I don't personally think that YouTube needs more ads than they currently have. The ones that drive me, I don't mind the one skippable one even if it's like a longer cooldown but when when i have to interact with it multiple times like when i get two two um is it two skip one unskippable no one unskippable is better than two skippable i don't

Starting point is 01:21:58 know whatever i don't have to interact with i guess is what i'm trying to say because i can just i can kind of just blank out and have no idea what i just looked at which is i guess as a life skill uh but if i have to interact with it then it is a it's a hassle for me i do wonder if they track like uh ads blocked somehow oh i'm sure they do it's like i wonder if this experiment could show an increase in that if that makes sense. Probably. I would think that would prompt some more people. I don't just mean volume, because yes, obviously you're serving more ads, the volume's going to go up. I mean percentage of users, which is what you were saying, but I'm just making sure people understood.

Starting point is 01:22:43 Yeah, it's tough, because it really depends on how the user's blocking, whether they're using PyHole, whether they're using a browser extension. I suspect they have the tools to... It it's google they can probably figure it out yeah to figure it out one way or another but there'd be there'd be some noise in that signal logicus asks what if you could just pre-watch as many ads as you want and unlock points that you spend on watch time. That would never work because every business and developer would know that people would just set things to like pre-watch and then just walk away. No, no, because they could attention track through your webcam. Dystopian! You don't like it, but you know that I'm right. Yeah, you are. You're totally right.

Starting point is 01:23:25 Yeah. Use like, what is it? Like Windows Hello style technology to like make sure not only are you sitting there, but you're actually looking at the screen. Yeah. Yeah. Matter of time before you can go and like taobao and buy like fake eye things. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:40 You weren't actively smiling at the ad. Yeah. You didn't think it was funny? That one only counts for half points. Yeah, next time laugh. Yeah. Dance, monkey, dance. If you want bonus points, pull out your wallet while looking at the screen.

Starting point is 01:23:53 Oh, apparently Piehole doesn't easily block YouTube ads. I thought it did back when we did our video on it, but maybe they've gotten around it. You have to crack a can of Varication Mountain Dew to keep watching the video. Oh, my goodness oh no anyways merch messages or Amazon selling dangerous goods we should do a couple of merch messages because I think we've got a lot of them

Starting point is 01:24:21 hey Chase you've got 21 incoming I have 4 incoming on mine try to refresh maybe yeah maybe refresh it oops i might have put too many in the potential and the curated so you might got to look through them a little bit there's a there's a couple buggos but it's still working i've just needed to refresh once or twice good gravy we have 43 curated merch messages which means we're gonna have to move through them a little quicker than usual yeah Andrew the Hut

Starting point is 01:24:47 Luke and Linus thinking about upgrading my home network setup from a basic router curious what you think about the dream machine slash unify setup compared to a DIY setup with pf sense different strokes for different folks the dream machine unify setup is not cheap whereas a DIY pf sense box

Starting point is 01:25:03 can be as cheap as the computer that you already have sitting there next to you like that you weren't doing anything with. PFSense is absolutely a little more DIY. It's going to take a bit more time investment but I can't say that I'm anything but thrilled with my UniFi setup at home right now. I haven't really been tempted to go back to PFSense. So if you want to spend the money, Ubiquity makes some nice stuff. But if you want to save a buck, PFSense. It's good stuff too.

Starting point is 01:25:35 Alfonso, I want to live stream games, but I don't think my PC can handle streaming and gaming simultaneously. Rather than getting a second computer, do you think a Steam Deck and a dock would work well i think the look on his face says it all no i mean you could do it like if you wanted to game on the steam deck and stream with your computer that could absolutely work but what's the res on the stream deck well not 1280 by 800 i mean okay it's not ideal did i say it was ideal i didn't say it was ideal nope okay and for 400 bucks i mean check out the video we uploaded recently 69 gaming pc like all the gpus are on crazy sale right now yeah like it's a it man we're working on the upgraded 69

Starting point is 01:26:26 gaming pc the 169 gaming pc and it's kind of wacky it's fast cool it's like good nice for under 200 bucks that's great it's a good it's a good time to be a pc gamer again for a freaking change uh joe b i have a quadro that works when i boot into linux but when using windows it not only doesn't output a signal but also my 5600g doesn't output a signal until the card is removed should i chuck it that sounds like you're switching to Linux. Let's go. It sounds, I mean, okay, I have to ask, you know, Joe, have you tried reformatting your Windows partition?

Starting point is 01:27:13 You should absolutely do that. It could be some kind of bugged out driver situation. I mean, DDU before you reformat. And then if that's the case, then I would absolutely try it in another computer to see if it's just isolated to something about your machine, your Windows install. Then at that point, I mean, hey, hook a brother or a sister up and give one of your Linux using friends a quadro. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Zachary asks, will we be getting short circuit sweatpants to go with the short circuit hoodie?

Starting point is 01:27:51 I think so. I'm actually not sure i'm sorry oh anonymous archive tim your apocalypse pc did you think about adding mesh or a filter to keep out mice or other vermin? I'm going to be honest with you. Did you see the Apocalypse PC? I skimmed it. Okay. I very much enjoyed the comments about the piping and them saying it would be really hard to find. That was my favorite part. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:18 The Apocalypse PC. So the real concept for that video, and i think this got lost in translation somewhere along the line i kind of arrived on set on that one after having been off for a week while all the prep was done for it like i was on vacation normally i would be i would have my finger on the pulse for the projects that we're working on and what happened with that one was the apocalypse pc which was supposed to be like like a like a like a bomb proof bulletproof kind of pc concept where the whole thing was like sealed and like indestructible kind of got morphed into the or like the prepper pc like the indestructible one uh kind of got merged into the plausible

Starting point is 01:29:05 deniability pc which was the one that was supposed to be buried out in the yard with cables that could be quickly cut with one command the thing could be wiped and no one would ever ever find it and they kind of became one same thing yeah and so i saw some comments going hey why did you bury it why did didn't you think of like flooding also if you were going to be inside with the keyboard monitor and mouse why don't you just have the computer there just put the solar panels outside. I hear you. I'm not going to lie. It kind of looked like you guys got a truck bed toolbox and someone spent a decent amount of time putting some pipes on it

Starting point is 01:29:54 and you literally threw a computer in it and then spent the rest of the time hunting for pipes. But it was entertaining to watch. I enjoyed it. I'm not going to lie. That was me pulling one out of my butt. In fact, the pipe tracking thing was something that I had actually asked because I knew the video was...

Starting point is 01:30:16 I already did know the video was going to be a little content-light. Watching you run that excavator was genuinely hilarious. Okay, I forgot about that until now i remember sitting there and being like i'm having way too much fun just like watching you run an excavator for whatever reason i have no idea why but it was great it had been so long and it's so it's so small okay watching your first scoop pick up like two rocks or whatever oh my goodness it's actually very funny you should see how small that machine looked with nick calinan on it he's probably bigger than the machine

Starting point is 01:30:58 oh my goodness i had a couple people critiquing my form. Apparently the blade's supposed to go in the front. I actually had the blade in the front. And then, like Kalanan told me, I was supposed to have it at the back as a thing or something. You're supposed to put the blade down instead of just leaving the tracks while you're digging. Yeah. And so I had it at the back

Starting point is 01:31:19 because I thought it was like to keep me from tipping back. But then that wasn't working at all. But I think I had it at the back, unlike my dad's bigger Komatsu thing back when i was a teenager i don't know but yeah i hadn't touched one in almost 20 years so it was it was like throwback to my childhood basically like sitting there at the controls it's fun it's totally fun it was it was great i really enjoyed that part anyway uh that whole video so the the i i emphasized the excavator even though that was not really supposed to be a ton of the content and then

Starting point is 01:31:51 uh i arrived on on set which is at my house but like still like at the prepared shoot and found out that we had not sourced one of those tracker things. None of the research had been done because the team had decided that that wasn't really necessary for the content. I was like, oh my God, guys, there is no content. Like whether I'm going to use these conduits or not, we need to go find them. We need to go on this adventure

Starting point is 01:32:22 because there's no adventure. Because yeah, not going to lie, the rest of it was sort of a computer find them we need to go on this adventure because there's no adventure because yeah not gonna lie the rest of it was uh sort of a computer tossed in a box i know i know but that part is actually very entertaining and a little bit enlightening showing showing how that thing works yeah it was cool yeah like it was it's actually it's a cool video but it's mostly a cool video because of uh yes yeah yeah the mainline quest in this game not great yeah side quests a plus yeah yeah so if you guys were wondering yes sometimes we do go into a video knowing that it's probably going to be kind of shit um but we do our best yeah it ended up being pretty cool so i mean it worked i call them learning outcomes yeah like anything that you might learn from the video i try to make sure that in every video you

Starting point is 01:33:19 will learn something that you didn't learn in a video from us before. And so that electronic divining rod thing for finding underground pipes was super cool. Is that actually what it's called, by the way? No. Okay, yeah. I heard you say that in the video, and I was like, there's no way. No, no, that's just what I'm calling it.

Starting point is 01:33:35 Okay, yeah. I never bothered to look it up, but I was like, if it's actually called that, that's... No, it's called like a pipe finder or something. The most construction bro name possible which is great to be to be clear yeah that's fantastic um beautiful naming scheme so yeah tim the apocalypse pc was a show and um thank you for watching it uh blar garden hey linus and luke waiting for new cpus and gpus to go live. Going to build my first water-cooled build. Who do you think has the best water blocks?

Starting point is 01:34:07 I honestly couldn't tell you. We mostly use EVGA. We mostly use EK these days just because they are awesome to work with. The quality is good. I think their stuff looks great. No complaints. It looks awesome.

Starting point is 01:34:20 So because a lot of the time we're doing showcase builds for videos, we want it to look really great. So I couldn't really i can't i honestly can't really comment beyond that there's lots of good reputable brands out there we've just mostly been an ek shop for some time now um yeah you asked about corsair yeah i've had no complaints with corsair's products but um we've just yeah we've used a lot of a lot of EK and I haven't had a reason to use something else. To Reaper.

Starting point is 01:34:49 Have you considered opening a merch warehouse in the Maritimes to have coverage of both coasts? Yeah, that worked really great for NCIX when they opened an Eastern warehouse. In all seriousness, there were other much bigger problems that ultimately killed NCIX,

Starting point is 01:35:01 but I'm aware that commercial warehouse space in the Maritimes is cheap. And I'm aware that we could get cheaper shipping to particularly the Eastern seaboard, but it's just, even though we've gotten like big, BC still classifies us as a small business. Did you know that? Up until a hundred employees are still technically a small business. Did you know that? Up until 100 employees are still technically a small business. We're not that big. If we were to open up a shipping facility, whether it was on the East Coast or whether it was in Europe or wherever else, I think it's fair to say we would need at least a staff of somewhere between five and 10 people to run it. Does that seem reasonable? Yeah. So we would be increasing our headcount by anywhere from like 7% to 12% or whatever that works out to.

Starting point is 01:35:52 That's not trivial. You don't just increase your headcount by 10%. It's a lot to manage. Who's going to keep track of it all? Yeah, I just don't have the bandwidth right now. I think that's the biggest takeaway there. Michael asks, do you guys have much experience

Starting point is 01:36:13 with how production support works in large companies? I don't even know what you mean by production support. Like video production or like product production? I sorry michael i don't know if i can answer this a production support person slash team is responsible for monitoring the production servers scheduled jobs incident management and receiving incidents and requests production support covers the practices and disciplines of supporting the it teams it system slash applications which are currently being used by the end users? No, I do not have much experience

Starting point is 01:36:47 with how that works in large companies. At NCIX, I would fix my own workstation. Yeah, and a lot of people here are pretty technical. So I think it's either like you are or the person next to you probably is. So you kind of just figure it out. Yeah. Oh, Reed C asks, with what has happened,

Starting point is 01:37:07 do we think this will cause a ripple effect with other companies breaking their partnerships with nvidia or even moving to amd in response in some way to the whole situation honestly i i kind of doubt it i don't i don't think nvidia is genuinely going to do any introspection i don't think that the rest of their partners will risk damaging that relationship. Because, and this is one of the reasons I'm so worried about EVGA's future, without GPUs, you know, what is their identity anymore? You know, why would I necessarily, and I'm not saying they make great power supplies, you know, but why would I get an EVGA power supply when I'm already on Asus's product page getting in a Strix GPU? Well, I'll just get a Strix power supply. You got to think about the way that an average consumer might shop.

Starting point is 01:38:06 And so I think that that's one of the ways that NVIDIA keeps a lot of their partners in line, because even if GPUs are loss leaders, which is ridiculous and they shouldn't be, loss leaders do play a role in a manufacturer or a retailer's strategy. So if you just don't have that product that drives people to your brand, that keeps people talking about you, how will you sell your other products it's very challenging so no i don't think anyone else is bound to break ranks but if they do then hey maybe nvidia will have to reconsider matthew p asks hey linus can we get the pet goat story oh boy um we were at uh an animal auction and uh for some reason I don't know why I got it in my head that I wanted to get a goat

Starting point is 01:38:59 um they were super cute baby goats adorable and so got a goat. My goat's name was Gobi. And, um, the, the understanding was the goat would be my pet. Um, she had a, she had a, like a pen that was separate from, from all the other animals. And I'd go out and hang with Gobi. Like very, very friendly, very, very engaged animal. The problem is that as Gobi got older, she would escape a lot. Goats are natural escape artists. And if it had been possible to keep Gobi penned, I don't think that we ever would have, we ever would, I don't think I ever would have consented to have Gobi taken to slaughter. and ultimately getting either hit by a car or killed by a bear, as there were many of those in the area, was getting uncomfortably high. And tracking down Gobi and bringing her home was

Starting point is 01:40:13 getting more and more and more difficult. And so what I ultimately agreed to with my parents was that, yeah, if Gobi was going to end up dead anyway, it might as well be for food. We lived on a farm. And so Gobi was far from the first animal and not even the first animal with a name that we ultimately slaughtered, but that I didn't want to eat Gobi. So if they were having Gobi for dinner, I would have something else was sort of the agreement. And then they tricked me and told me it was like ostrich or something. And so I did end up, um, eating goat, which was not my intention. So I was not thrilled as you guys can probably imagine. It's pretty annoying. Cause that was not the deal. But, um, I think my parents probably thought it was pretty funny at the time.

Starting point is 01:41:06 Tricking people about food isn't funny. But I don't think that it's particularly funny personally. That is the pet goat story. I'm sure that if my sister and I got together and built another computer, we could probably tell lots more stories. If you're not a Floatplane subscriber, I think there's going to be some stuff that ends up in an exclusive on floatplane that didn't make it into the youtube cut but um i don't know that we're going to get too deep into our childhood stuff you know in public

Starting point is 01:41:34 um it's just not worth it i don't need the drama in my life should we do another topic maybe uh I just got signed out of the doc so you're on point. There is also a lot of merch messages. Yeah, we might just have to cut some of them. Amazon selling dangerous goods? You know I want to talk about it.

Starting point is 01:41:59 Yeah, let's talk about it. The latest issue of many is an issue with a three-pronged-to-male extension cord meant for generators. This product is very unsafe. When plugged into a generator or outlet, the opposite end has live electricity, posing risk of electrocution. Additionally, the flow of power in the reverse direction can circumvent safety features of the home's electrical system and start a fire. The cable is also very short, which means the generator would be close to the home, increasing risk of carbon monoxide poisoning. People call them suicide cords. What a great name.

Starting point is 01:42:56 That note about increasing risk of carbon monoxide poisoning is very interesting because in July of 2021, Amazon was sued by a U.S. product safety agency over dangerous items, including a carbon monoxide detector that fails to alarm. So you can get the wombo combo. You can get the increase in carbon monoxide poisoning and the chance that your carbon monoxide detector won't work. Awesome. Also, they used to sell flammable children's pajamas, hair dryers that could electrocute you if dropped in water, and they stated that Amazon is responsible for third-party sellers.

Starting point is 01:43:16 Oh, wow. Amazon Basics products have been known to fail spectacularly as well. There are examples included in the article, including pictures. Is that an Ethernet cable? Oh, it's a lightning cable. Wow. Whoops.

Starting point is 01:43:31 That's a heck of a thing. In 2017, a USB cable caught on fire. In 2019, a charger caught on fire as soon as it was plugged into a car. Wow. Yikes. In 2019, a microwave caught on fire and almost burnt a house down. Microwaves are powerful. They're a heck of a thing.

Starting point is 01:43:47 The microwave was analyzed by the University of Maryland's Center for Advanced Lifecycle Engineering. And was found that the heating device on the inside was the cause of the fire. Acting as if someone put tinfoil inside of it. was the cause of the fire, acting as if someone put tinfoil inside of it. In 2019, an Amazon basic surge protector caught fire with a single phone charger plugged into the device, unused at the time of the incident.

Starting point is 01:44:13 Yes. Now to be clear, you sell enough hundreds of thousands of products, eventually you're going to have a couple defects. But the main reason that I wanted to bring this up was because I felt like it opened up a really, I think, a deeper conversation about how consumer protection has changed in the move from retail to online. there is essentially zero barrier to entry for some random to produce some random product and start selling it to any random person, regardless of which jurisdiction they live in, what their level of technical expertise is, like whether they're qualified to use the product.

Starting point is 01:45:00 And, you know, I'm trying to think, like, would I have even had access to buy something as dangerous as that male-to-male power cord when I was 15? There's two things in Flowplane chat that I think are pretty good. Jerry Riggs says there's a huge difference between defective product and inherently dangerous one by design. Absolutely. Defective products happen. That's a thing. In defective product and inherently dangerous one by design absolutely defective products happen that's a thing um but inherently dangerous is really bad and that's that's really the main that was really the main thing that i had wanted to discuss here was that there is comparatively nothing standing between because at least with like a retailer there is they have to be the first line, right?

Starting point is 01:45:46 When something goes wrong, when a customer gets mad and comes and complains about a problem, they have to deal with it. Whereas Amazon has this level of abstraction with these third party sellers, and they're not the only one. Anyone, anyone that takes a marketplace approach to third party products that are available on their site has this like this this shield in front of them that's like oh well i mean we we didn't sell that we just had the listing yeah we'll take it down but i they're not they're not doing and they're not

Starting point is 01:46:14 being forced to do the due diligence that i feel like a brick and mortar retailer would just inherently have to do oh yeah definitely 100 yep and not even just have to do that would just inherently do and you wouldn't put something on the shelf without like looking at it first because shelf space is valuable you see this on a lot of products too where uh they're just riddled with lies um i used to rant about this all the time and then i'm not going to name who made the video but i watched a video from us fairly recently that was really bad about this in my opinion but saying that things are for instance

Starting point is 01:46:50 I don't remember if this is how it was said in the video but waterproof is like not a thing yeah waterproof is stupid yeah I don't remember which one but it was something like that it was like waterproof or fireproof or something that was mentioned in our video did we say something was waterproof?

Starting point is 01:47:02 yeah it was definitely waterproof. I'm remembering the video now. Okay. Yeah. Did I host it? No. Okay.

Starting point is 01:47:12 I'll, I'll talk to, I'll talk to the team because I'm like, even in, uh, okay. So Vessi, longtime sponsor of ours, love Vessi, uh, their talking points say waterproof. And I always, when I do the read, I always change it to water resistant because, i've told them like i'm not going to say that that's stupid nothing is waterproof water will literally cut a path through stone nothing is waterproof and that's fine give it enough time yeah water water will f**k you up son it'll find a way yeah uh but there's there's a bunch of products i don't remember who the video is from i wish it did because it was actually really good uh but the one of them that i saw recently was was flashlights there's a bunch of product categories on amazon where it's

Starting point is 01:47:55 just filled with lies and i'll give i'll give a i'll give a 45 000 lumens no it isn't for some crazy duration and i'll give a plus one to Anker here because they pointed out Anker flashlights and I'm sure there are other ones too. But it looks bad on Amazon. Anker's flashlight looks bad

Starting point is 01:48:14 because it doesn't last as long and it's not as bright. But then the claims about lasting a certain amount of time and being a certain amount of brightness are just categorically false and then Anker's were actually accurate yeah and it's super frustrating because you're

Starting point is 01:48:29 hurting these brands that are actually trying to be real with their information it's like if we said our 64 ounce water bottle will keep your drink ice cold for 23 days yeah no and then it creates this arms race of lying yeah which is just not good and like they they should in my opinion have to crack down on stuff like that but they should be responsible for the information on the site you're saying and and you know that they don't because it's not just flashlights oh no it's like everything it's everything i mean we went through this with dash cams yeah dash cams are one of those categories where until we made that video, I would have had absolutely no idea what to buy.

Starting point is 01:49:08 In fact, I tried, which is why we made that video. Yeah. There's another comment in floatplane chat from Jaden. Power cables on Amazon is a huge problem in general. Some of the most popular ones are so thin that they could safely carry basically zero power. That's a very good, that's a very good point. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:49:28 good that's a very good point yeah um i i recently watched a review of extension cords because i was sketched out about that essentially yeah because i was like this actually seems like something that could be sketchy if you want it to go for a pretty long distance and you want to send a pretty decent amount of power through it like i need to find find something that can do this properly and that i actually believe is saying the right information because I don't believe things on product pages anymore because of basically Amazon, because it's creeping to other sites now too. Because people are like, well, Amazon doesn't do it.

Starting point is 01:49:56 Amazon doesn't do it properly and we have to compete with Amazon. So we're just going to lie too, which is just horrible. Narissus says, can't wait for the lab to start testing this kind of misleading marketing. Yeah, honestly, looking at how underserved the public is. In just like areas I didn't even think about.

Starting point is 01:50:13 I didn't even, I'm sorry. I didn't consider extension cords. I just, I didn't. Yeah. But it can be sketch. If you're served something that's just junk. Our lab could be three times the size tomorrow. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:50:24 And we would run out of space if we wanted to try to do everything that i'm looking at going this needs to be tested someone needs to do this yeah so we'll there's some i don't know i don't really want to talk about it but there's actually some uh some really cool stuff currently being tested at the lab that i know about you don't want to talk about it didn't have a meeting this week what so i don't know if you do well i don't think i know what's going on you might but i don't want to talk about it? And we didn't have a meeting this week. What? So I don't know if you do. I don't think I know. You might, but I don't know.

Starting point is 01:50:48 Are you able to tell me? Nope. Wait, why? Not right now. What the hell? We're live on the show. Well, that's stupid. But it's really cool.

Starting point is 01:51:01 It's actually very exciting. It reminded me of, you know, a push that we did a really long time ago when we first started the company. I was actually talking about this in the call. I was like, this push that you guys are doing, while not the same, feels similar to like the 700 series push that we did back in the day. Like the amount of effort and the rallying behind it and like really, really wanting to make sure that it's like on point and good and all that kind of stuff and it's like yeah yeah yeah all right yeah that's all the information you get it might be entirely fine for me to say it i just don't know and i'm not going to risk it so yeah got it it is what it is let's talk about this cngG Tunes over on YouTube asks,

Starting point is 01:51:47 what's with the whole sponsoring this or that portion of a video thing? What's that about? What is that about? I don't know. I genuinely, I don't, I actually don't know. Some brand agencies have it in their head that there could be some kind of liability excuse me or negative brand association or something bad that could somehow be mitigated by changing the wording from they sponsored the video to they sponsored only the portion of the video that is their talking points and nothing else.

Starting point is 01:52:34 Very cool. Personally, I find that wording kind of jarring and flow breaking for the content. Oh, absolutely. And from my point of view, and who knows, maybe I'm about to lose a sponsor or two. From my point of view, if you're not man enough to sponsor the video, if you don't like the content or think it's safe enough to sponsor the video,

Starting point is 01:53:02 then maybe you just shouldn't sponsor the video. The only thing I disagree with that is the man enough phrase. Obviously, I'm being toxic masculinity-y just to make my point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:53:17 At least I hope that was obvious. You can't be careful enough. That's fair. It's fair. Anyway, the point is that if you have such misgivings about sponsoring a given channel that you're afraid that their content is going to reflect so poorly on your brand that you would hate for the whole video to be sponsored. No, only this portion.

Starting point is 01:53:43 Should you really be engaging with that channel that's what i'm saying yeah that's what i'm saying and it's also just like not true you're sports you're sponsoring the video you are like yeah it's just obvious every time i i thought it was like a regulatory change or something that you know because every time i hear it i'm just like what no it's not like the only way it could make sense is if it was like section and they didn't actually mean just their slice they meant like the results portion of the video is brought to you by whatever yeah like if they actually contributed maybe like uh like testing apparatus yeah or something like that okay our results are brought to you by yes whatever yes yeah fine that bit make that would make sense if the only part of the video that you sponsored

Starting point is 01:54:31 is literally your ad that's not a video sponsorship yep yep yep maybe we just need to start calling it something else this part of the video is a message from this brand because it's not sponsored by them it's just the wrong word I don't know things are weird

Starting point is 01:54:56 so I've had a lot of people ask me over the last little bit because we did a couple spots recently that were structured like that and that is my response I think it's silly but I understand in a lot of cases why the legal department is stepping in and saying, actually, we need to be super, super careful about this because it wouldn't be the first time that a brand, so now I'm putting on my reasonable hat. It wouldn't be the first time that a brand got burned for sponsoring some content creator. And if they could come in and say, well, actually,

Starting point is 01:55:26 we only sponsored just like our specific messaging, we have nothing to do with the viewpoints of that particular person, then, you know, I guess there's some plausible deniability there. But I think that if the person's so toxic that you're worried about that, then you probably just shouldn't sponsor them. I would also raise a point, I guess I'm not arguing, but I'm raising a point that this type of stuff will always change. It will always be in motion because agencies exist and agencies need to feel like they actually matter and did something. So they're going to make small, unimportant changes and slap their stamp on it and be like, yeah. I have to deal with enough agencies that I am not going to weigh in on the thing he just said.

Starting point is 01:56:13 Thank you, agencies. Love you guys. We value your business. Yep. Good job existing. All right, let's keep going oh no Intel's doing some stupid

Starting point is 01:56:30 rebranding yeah let's do some I don't know here we'll gloss over it Intel rebrands laptop Pentium and Celeron processors now it will be what will it be now flagship brands are now Core, Evo and Vpro

Starting point is 01:56:44 they will just be labeled Intel processor are now core evo and vpro that's the thing they will just be labeled intel processor so they're taking pentium and celeron names off the new intel processor branding will simplify our offer will it will it simplify your offerings because now there's an intel processor that happens to be intel core or intel evo and then there's an Intel processor that happens to be Intel Core or Intel Evo. And then there's an Intel processor that's just an Intel processor. You're right. That does simplify things. Why did they ditch Intel Inside? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:57:13 Because that sounds like Intel Inside sounds like an insanely better version of this. Because you just slap Intel Inside on it. And then on the fine print, like under the laptop or whatever, you actually put the real model number. Why would you want Intel processor to mean like to your low end? Yeah. That's even worse. I didn't even think about that. That's brutal.

Starting point is 01:57:37 Probably an agency. I don't know. I don't know who would have done that. That's crazy. Wow. Oh. Whoa. Honestly. Okay. who would have done that um that's crazy wow oh what i honestly okay look intel or whoever else i will i will contract for you okay look i'm not gonna come up with the branding for you

Starting point is 01:57:59 but i will i will contract i'll tell you what, 100 bucks. The denial department. That's my rate to do a sanity check on your new branding concept. That's not bad. I'll have a look at it for you. As long as it takes me less than like five minutes, I'll look at it for you. You can put your checks in the mail, address them to Chase Douglas. All right. He's got you.

Starting point is 01:58:23 Okay. mail address them to chase douglas all right he's got you okay and i will tell you if it is among the five percent stupidest things i've ever heard okay that is the service that i will offer you and intel could have avoided this if they had just paid a hundred dollars to chase douglas over here um so that i could tell them that this is among the 5% stupidest things I've ever heard. Yeah. Yeah, it's bad. Way to go. All right.

Starting point is 01:58:52 You want to pick some merch messages, Luke? Sure. I've been trying to work through the potential section, which is a new section on the merch messages dashboard. But I'll go to curated, I guess. Sure. Let's do it. No, I haven't played Timberborn the wandering village me neither thanks for the suggestion though chris e yes um any plans for

Starting point is 01:59:15 those pvc pipes you dug up i think you you ran a string through it right so you could just decide later uh yeah yeah i do have plans that is where the pool house will be. So if nothing else, I can run power from the mechanical room to the pool house instead of digging a new trench. Yeah, that's actually really nice. Unfortunately, we still have to get gas from somewhere else around the side of the house. So we still had to trench all the way over to get gas because there's not enough gas pressure in the mechanical room to also do the pool heating. But it did save us a trench at least. So yeah, it was totally worth it. And also we made a video about it

Starting point is 01:59:50 because the video sure as heck wasn't about putting a PC in a box. It was about finding those conduits. Question for Linus or Luke. How would you recommend getting internet to a detached garage? Ethernet over power or something better? Thanks for all you do.

Starting point is 02:00:04 Ethernet over power could work if they're for all you do. Ethernet overpower could work if they're both through the same panel. Ditches? Yeah, you could do a point-to-point dish from someone like Ubiquiti. They have some pretty affordable stuff. Depends if you have like trees in the way or whatever. A few hundred bucks.

Starting point is 02:00:16 If not. You could also just get a direct burial, like Cat6 cable. Freaking bury it, like microtrench it. You can get microtrenching attachments for chainsaws. You could just direct bury it like micro trench it you can get micro trenching um uh attachments for chainsaws you could just direct bury it and it'll be good for at least like 10 years or whatever assuming it's decent direct burial cable i know someone who did a a cheaper version of dish to dish um from their place to a detached garage and it worked great and has been working great yeah you

Starting point is 02:00:43 can always uh you can always uh jury rig a dish-to-dish setup with literally tin cans on a regular consumer Wi-Fi router. That's actually a thing. So you do two in bridge mode and then you would... Is it bridge mode? Like a wireless bridge or whatever? That makes sense. Yeah, I forget what it's called,

Starting point is 02:01:01 but you can set them up so that one is essentially a switch that you plug client devices in and then it's just got this wireless backbone back to the main network so there's lots of different ways um i i don't know if uh okay so hi linus and luke how would you get your so more tech savvy i grew up with tech and i'm used to troubleshooting my gf on the other hand is not used to try to solve problems with tech on her own. She seems like she is either afraid or has no clue. In my opinion, then you should do it for her. Yeah, that's your whole value add.

Starting point is 02:01:33 No offense. Yeah, she doesn't have to learn that as well. It's not your looks. It's not the money you make. It's fixing her tech crap. If she doesn't find you handsome she should at least find you handy let's go okay i'm kidding maybe you look great but the point is that so what not everybody's into everything right if she's interested in it great uh then just i don't know start small and and show her how to do some basic troubleshooting stuff, create some basic problems, and try to kind of help guide the hand,

Starting point is 02:02:08 but don't solve it for her. But it sounds like she might not really be that interested, so just don't. Yeah. All right. Have you ever considered a 3D printer roundup before? No. All right.

Starting point is 02:02:20 3D printers, internet security, VR, streaming. Look up 3D printing nerd. Dead, dead. He's awesome. Dead, like absolute video performance killer topics. And to be clear, if we're running like a smaller channel that's focused on those things, or even just a smaller channel in general, it would be fine to cover topics in those verticals. But at LTT's scale, unless we can get a million and a half to 3 million views on something, it doesn't make sense anymore, because it will harm our ability to get a million and a half or 3 million views

Starting point is 02:02:59 tomorrow if we upload something that only gets 500,000 today. It's just the game that we play. And you can expect over the next few years to see smaller channels that I intend to keep smaller for that reason, so that we can cover stuff that would destroy the LTT channel that funds all of that other content. I can't kill the golden goose. That's one of the ways that people use floatplane actually, just to self-plug really quick, is they put stuff on floatplane that they know people will like a lot but they know those people that will like it a lot are a relatively small subset of their users and it would kill their youtube channel but those users do really want that content it's just like how do i make it worth it to make this content when that subset of users isn't big enough to

Starting point is 02:03:42 fuel an entire youtube channel well philip can fit that role um hello have you considered testing second monitor effects on your pc what having a youtube video does to your game's frame rate or that type of stuff is honestly quite hard but the labs might be able to figure something out yeah i think that would be that would be definitely like a cool thing to investigate does multi-monitor like tank your fps i know there was a bug a while back where i forget if it was nvidia or amd but they had like super high power consumption if you had two monitors plugged in and like it was totally fine if you had only one interesting but that's the sort of thing that i don't think we would test regularly we would kind of you know look into it look into it and kind of go, oh, okay, is there anything interesting here?

Starting point is 02:04:26 And then if there isn't, I think that might just be the end of it. We'd just say, okay, yeah, there's nothing interesting, no article, no nothing. Because it's either a problem or it's not really news. Have you ever considered making effectively, like, one of those really short versions of lanyards? No. This person said wrist-size lanyard, but I've seen them before. They're just little short lanyards no uh this this person said wrist size lanyard but i've seen them before they're

Starting point is 02:04:47 just little short lanyards no i'd never considered that at all yeah i think people like it more for like actually attaching to like a belt loop or something oh and letting it hang out um do you really want your keys hanging out though i don't don't. Yeah, you shouldn't. But I think you might attach it and then put it in your pocket. Oh, I see. That's another option. Huh. Makes it easy to pull out other stuff like that. I don't know.

Starting point is 02:05:12 Just an idea. I've definitely seen them before. Should we have Chase read a couple of merch messages? I realized he's our producer today, but we've hardly had him do anything. You've been reading all of them. Yeah, I'm sorry. You can't get a word in. Nah, it's all good.

Starting point is 02:05:23 All right, I'm going to go up to potentials and keep working on that. Okay, and I'll answer the curated ones here. I bought a nothing phone one on release day. I noticed a defect on the first day, made a support ticket. After a week, I got a return label from them. I sent it back for a refund. I've heard nothing since July 28th. Well, the name's appropriate.

Starting point is 02:05:40 Yeah. What is your worst tech purchasing experience? Oh, man. There was that GPU that was completely mislabeled. I bought from Sapphire back in the day. Man, worst tech purchasing experience. I probably shouldn't count anything to do with an ISP. Everyone knows that they're awful, you know, basically universally.

Starting point is 02:06:08 Worst tech purchase experience yeah probably that like falsely advertised gpu from sapphire way way way back like in the in the 2000s it's tough for me because i don't i don't um have to buy tech as often anymore. And even when I did, I tended to research it pretty thoroughly. Like that's my passion, right? So, hmm. Oh, yeah, the dash cams I bought, that was terrible. I bought two of them and neither of them worked,

Starting point is 02:06:41 not even for a moment. So that sucked. And that inspired that dash cam video we did recently there you go all right i got one do you have a terrible one are you busy on uh i didn't hear the question your worst tech purchasing experience oh i think they've all been pretty good yeah we we do our research that's sort of why we're sitting in these chairs at this point if we didn't't, then you shouldn't listen to us. Yeah. Is that, was your answer similar? I came up with a couple of bad things.

Starting point is 02:07:08 I bought some dash cams that ended up just being manufactured. That sounds about right. Yeah. Yeah. But that's like, that's just, you're walking into a minefield. Dash cams is crazy. I, I like started trying to do research on that years ago and just abandoned it. I'm just excited for ours.

Starting point is 02:07:22 And I'm just going to probably buy whatever one, like they say is good i still had an ncix gift card when they went under so that's a pretty terrible tech purchase i don't even know how much was on it it could have been a lot i have no idea brutal no one can even check unless i could get my hands on like the old ncix servers that got found um after the fact and that was a whole that was a whole data privacy security problem uh next question from adam k uh hey linus any any updates on the wag hoodie also trying to apply discount code uh a failed one like if you try honey having a successful one removes the merch message option at least in firefox we can probably get that fixed well don't fail to type in the discount code, bro.

Starting point is 02:08:06 Why are you trying to get discounts? Do you not want to support the channel? I think he was mainly asking about the WAG hoodie, though. Yeah, I'm just going to bring up... That bug might not exist in the new theme. We've been focusing on the new theme. This is hilarious. Yeah jake's cat arlo in the wag hoodie he actually put he actually put a dog hoodie on his cat

Starting point is 02:08:33 he's got a big cat surprisingly arlo's not even that off yeah um yeah i so i can't really show this to you guys easily but we are we getting samples in. So like size run samples, which means it's months away, not quarters away at the very least. Cool. Noah J says, needed a new water bottle for a while now. This is just what the doctor ordered.

Starting point is 02:08:59 We all know that- The doctor told you to drink more water? Companies aren't our friends, but has there ever been a company brand game that you've been a shameless fanboy or shill for? Shameless fanboy? I don't know if I'd say shameless.

Starting point is 02:09:15 I've been a fanboy, but I've also worn my shame. I'm a bit of a Nintendo fanboy. I just kind of buy, like, if a Switch 2 comes out, I'll get a switch 2 but like i i also you feel shame though yeah i know you do yeah yeah um i don't know like i i think you could point at my love of noctua and call that like fanboy or shameless or whatever

Starting point is 02:09:41 but like it's more of like a respect yeah i respect their approach to product engineering um at that and that approach has led to my trust in them being well-founded it's not like fanaticism it's just i feel like i either have that or i feel shame about it i don't necessarily i think i'm pretty realistic with like yeah i don't know shameless fanboy i mean i um a bunch of people are saying evga yeah but like he just said it's founded i have direct experience with this so i don't know uh okay colbar hammer i don't think he's a fan. Yeah, I don't know. Intel fanboy?

Starting point is 02:10:30 No, see, that's the funny thing, man. I get accused of being a fanboy of Intel all the time. That's a really weird one. I literally was the teenager with the UV reactive green AMD inside circle logo sticker in my freaking case. circle logo sticker in my freaking case like i i grew up team green and only because they made the better processors at the time first processor that i that was it purchased was amd so that's not even fan that's just buying the good one that is a good one like it's just i don't think that's the way either of us shop so i don't i think we're both in the same camp there yeah i mean like i love okay people are talking about lg like i love oled love oled displays and i will i will tolerate some of their problems for the benefits but that's not the tech that's a... That's a tech.

Starting point is 02:11:25 That's a technology. Yeah, like I'm a... That's not a company. I'm a fan of the performance. I'm always a fan of performance. Yeah. Oh, sorry. People are like Team Green.

Starting point is 02:11:32 Sorry, AMD used to have a green logo. Blizzard, not a chance. Yeah, not NVIDIA. I said Team Green for AMD. AMD is Team Red now. Sorry about that. Sorry about that. I have repeatedly called Blizzard CEO a rat.

Starting point is 02:11:44 Yeah, I think you've called him a lot worse Not on the WAN show That's true EA Sports No I think people are just pulling out stuff they know Is not true at this point Next question here

Starting point is 02:12:00 From I think Josue For Linus as a lifelong gamer And now toddler dad I'm curious to know what your proudest gamer dad moment is oh I mean it was pretty fun having my eldest son like carry us in Minecraft

Starting point is 02:12:14 that was pretty cool he can also hang with us in Towerfall which is surprising because neither Luke nor I are like crappy side scroller players yeah yeah like we're not just like new old man never touched a controller when it comes to 2d side scrollers and he won some rounds like for real beat us so that's pretty cool and i could also feel the energy in the room change when he won his first round

Starting point is 02:12:47 as linus and i buckle down yeah we were like we may not allow that to happen and he didn't win again for a bit yeah but then he did win again yeah he did so um and yeah i don't know it's been i guess it's just been good it's it's less like proud I'm not proud of kids for like enjoying video games they're it's like being proud of them for getting addicted to crack like they're designed to they're they're designed to be addictive yeah you like the addictive thing yeah exactly right but I'm definitely I'm definitely uh you know I enjoy playing with them it's fun I'm glad that we can connect over that I'm sure watching watching your kids be adaptive and

Starting point is 02:13:30 be fairly naturally skillful solving problems yeah that's good Minecraft is a good game to enjoy if you're a game enjoyer yes they are allowed to play my Minecraft mostly when they want to so that's well within their daily screen time limits

Starting point is 02:13:49 because that's the thing parents do now. So next question from Joshua B. And I've noticed a few questions about this. They asked, you've mentioned to make plans for a tech bag, plans to make a tech bag for the backpack. Have you thought about making something akin to camera focus? I think there's just been a few questions on the direction of like another bag yes we have talked about doing a camera focused insert for the backpack but i think that right now it's a lower priority than

Starting point is 02:14:18 the tech pouch which is really designed for like all your accessories and like usb drives and maybe like you know parasite cutters and little things like that and a smaller version of the backpack and we just don't have the bandwidth to tackle a camera focused insert just yet if we did we'd want to make sure that it was something that was really adding a choice that's not already available you pointed out that you don't necessarily want a full-on camera backpack but you want to carry a camera sometimes. Well, I would like that insert to be able to come out and be a sling or something like that. I'd want it to be cool, and we don't have the time right now to work on it.

Starting point is 02:14:59 Next question from Benjamin S. Does LTT slash labs have any plans to create software? Oh, question moved on me. Create software slash tools that take a deep dive into the difference in performance between hardware. In my opinion, it would be valuable to see an in-house benchmark that we can measure performance

Starting point is 02:15:16 between different types of tasks. We're already working on stuff. Right now we're creating hooks for, or crap, what are they called harnesses harnesses for a for a system that integrates other benchmarks but we have talked about how we could do our own different ways of doing our own uh but right now it's it's all about harnesses yeah yeah um we have Oh, is the second, is the person signed? Oh, yeah, actually. Okay.

Starting point is 02:15:51 I guess that was going to be in the meeting, but yeah. Okay, we now have not one, but two people who have deep experience in machine vision. And machine vision is going to be really, really important going forward as it becomes more and more difficult to objectively, empirically measure the performance of a GPU just by FPS alone. Dynamic image quality is becoming critical to being able to run games at all. So whether it's through upscaling technology or dynamically changing like texture quality or whatever else it is. And that's going to be a huge focus for us is building out benchmarks. It's already a thing in mobile, right? Building out benchmarks that can monitor changes in image quality alongside changes in frame rate so that we can better evaluate the relative performance of different hardware uh squid says hey oh hey ltt uh please make a 40 ounce with a handle it might

Starting point is 02:16:55 need one other than that there's a question for linus especially because of all the things he said on lt before what's your favorite pony really important one here oh favorite pony um can't really see it so well i can use my face as a background and then you can see it better but right there there is a handle it's part of the part of the lid yeah i'd say i'm an apple jack boy cereal oh you're okay i was like did i miss a topic or something like what just happened okay i get it sure charles says i've seen so many tech channels have some bizarre issue that was caused by a bad pcie riser cable i myself also had issues with one what can a shopper look for in a riser cable to avoid

Starting point is 02:17:45 headaches what a great question for the lab uh all you can look for is like if you trust the brand to send you a new one if you get a bad one that's all i can really tell you okay chase i think we figured something out what i think you and i have been fighting each other the entire show okay i think i i kind of noticed that partway through. I think I keep putting incoming into pending and then you keep moving out. And I'm like, did I read that one already? I think we've done that with the same message like a lot of times. Okay.

Starting point is 02:18:16 Okay. We know now. Good. No, it's okay. You boys all right? Well, I'm not going not gonna bother explain it but yeah david n asks uh i'm getting back into badminton after a long break any recommendations for quality rackets around 50 us dollars get a used one as long as you get something that's not a steel or

Starting point is 02:18:37 aluminum frame as long as it's actually like a carbon style frame uh if it's been a long time a carbon style frame. If it's been a long time, just, yeah, don't spend a ton of money, right? Get strings. Spend $30 and pay 20 bucks to get new strings on it. Grab a grip for a few bucks. That's going to be more important than the racket.

Starting point is 02:18:59 As long as you don't get a steel or aluminum frame, that's going to really, really hurt your game. Speaking of badminton, if there's any local coaches in the Vancouver area that are looking to pick up up some shifts i don't know dm me on the forum or something like that because um oh i know some i know some people who want to get some badminton coaching including him um yeah and it would be it would be cool if we could uh if we could find someone who wants to do that all right arthur says i have a weird question for luke what oh are the invoice numbers for floatplane sequential i saw this earlier uh i actually think maybe so they have invoice 45 and i thought that was pretty cool if you have invoice 45 all i'll say is that was really

Starting point is 02:19:43 early i think at some point in time we might have realized it was sequential and then wanted to stop doing that. Yeah, because that's pretty bad. Yeah. So I think we changed it eventually. But having 45 probably means that was actually the 45th. And then, yeah, I think we changed it down the line. That's pretty cool.

Starting point is 02:20:02 Kira asks, any update on the Stealth Deskpad? I think we changed it down the line. That's pretty cool. Kira asks, any update on the Stealth Deskpad? And what do you think is the most technologically exciting for data science in the coming years? I mean, I don't think other than, you know, just the leaps and bounds with which machine learning is advancing right now. I don't think there's anything past that horizon that I'm looking to at the moment. As for Stealth Deskpad, it'll come when it comes.

Starting point is 02:20:33 We're actually sending out a message to Wave 1 backpack purchasers that our shipment, which was supposed to arrive in... We gave ourselves three weeks from when all backpacks for each wave were supposed to be here to when we would have them shipped out and wave one is supposed to be shipped out by september 20th two-thirds of our wave one backpacks are not here yet and will not be here by the 20th so they are over three weeks late so we're sending out a message to everyone saying, hey, here's all the information we have. This is where we started.

Starting point is 02:21:07 This is where they're estimating right now. It could slip again. There's nothing we can do to control this. We are just helpless leaves being blown around by the wind at this point. Sam D asks, love the show. Who are your favorite musicians? I mean, you know, love me some, some Backstreet Boys.

Starting point is 02:21:30 Just love the Barenaked Ladies a lot. Honestly, I don't really like fan out over individual musicians so much. Yeah. So it's just kind of, it's going to kind of depend on who happens to make a lot of songs. I like, you know,

Starting point is 02:21:43 all these down to listen to some t-swift yeah let me let me let me see luke's super into sea shanties i know that got into his car and well it auto played okay so my birds really really like music that is mostly just people singing um so if you want to accomplish that sea shanties are pretty good and when i figured that out because my my previous bird did not he was not into that he liked he liked uh other stuff um but they they seem to like this so i i played them the assassin's creed 4 sea shanties thing and then they've just been like obsessed with it ever since if i ever want to make them calm down i just play that playlist and they're immediately like,

Starting point is 02:22:26 oh, everything's okay now. They're like, it's amazing. But no, I've been listening to mostly Odd Future and The Chats. Cool. Actually very on two very different spectrums, but I've been an enjoyer of those. But I feel the same way. It's just kind of like

Starting point is 02:22:45 whatever I'm listening to at the time. I don't necessarily follow anything too closely. Garrett B., have you looked at working with Sligar on a rack mount PC case like the one in your house? Yes. I will confirm that.

Starting point is 02:23:01 We haven't really made any progress at this point. They are working on some really cool rack mount gaming cases right now, though, that honestly could just make it so that I don't bother doing one because they seem pretty good. Seem like they will serve that need pretty darn well. In fact, I think we have review samples inbound.

Starting point is 02:23:20 Sliger is a cool company. Do you want to read some, Chase you caught up yeah we should be good uh let's see here uh from next one from brant b uh linus is a father of two three months and one and a half years old how do you balance work life family time in your own personal time projects and passions luke is a software developer i struggle with imposter syndrome a lot have you dealt with that if so how do you combat it it's gonna be like an entire show um good i mean prioritize that that's the big one whatever's most important do it first it's it really is that simple a lot of the time too tired do it anyway that's how that's how you make sure you don't have regrets uh next question from zach k and i've yeah we'll just ignore my section oh i'm so sorry i forgot we're gonna we're

Starting point is 02:24:14 gonna fight with the potential and incoming and now we're gonna fight here too um no i i just sparring match chase versus luke i Luke. The twig snapping. I think with computer science stuff, you spend all your time trying to deal with bugs and solving problems and fixing things that don't make any sense. So that's going to happen. It's just something you got to deal with. How you deal with it, I don't know.

Starting point is 02:24:39 If you spend any amount of time listening to other developers, you're going to hear that they're dealing with the same thing. So just try to keep learning, try to keep on top of it you're not alone yeah whatever uh actual next question now from a second no it's my bad it's my bad um so any plans for different screwdriver colors i think this has been answered on twitter i don't know if it was by you or nick but there i would love to do other colors. I will say that so far, I haven't seen any ideas in public

Starting point is 02:25:09 that we hadn't already had internally. However, it's not as simple as just taking different plastic dye, mixing it in with the Triax chips and shooting it. Because the dyes are also plastic, they can affect the shrinkage ratio of the finished parts, which can affect the fit and finish and can affect the durability of the finished driver. So every single color will need to be validated individually and

Starting point is 02:25:40 with each other in order for us to do different colorways of the driver. Right now, our focus is on shipping out the 80 plus thousand drivers that people have ordered. And once we are well on our way, we will think about, we will look at the R&D that is necessary for doing additional colors. I wish it was as easy as that because we would have launched with like a dozen colors. I mean, look at what we do with water bottles where it really is as simple as just putting different ink on the side of the bottle.

Starting point is 02:26:13 Yeah, heck yeah, let's go. Unfortunately, when it comes to plastics, it's just not that simple. And it's hard to like test things over long periods of time. What does someone's hand oils do over the course of two years? It's like, like test things over long periods of time. What does someone's hand oils do over the course of two years? It's like, that's tough.

Starting point is 02:26:29 It's hard to figure out. All right, next question from Jackson D. Hey, Linus, I'll be a first dad soon. Any advice for raising a tech savvy kid while not making them tech dependent? I mean, yeah, you got to lead by example, right? So they're going to be so curious about everything you do. The second you do something, they're going to want to do it.

Starting point is 02:26:49 So don't do anything in front of them that you wouldn't want them to do. And just, you know, be there to answer their questions. I mean, at the end of the day, they're going to leave the nest at some point. They're going to make their own decisions. But just try and be a good example for as long as you have it's the best i can really give you uh next question drew e i've been thinking about treating myself to a nice screwdriver but my tech is underwater in rivers i know it voids the warning but would the screwdriver survive being used underwater sometimes i don't see why not there's nothing about it that um like you'd get a little bit of rust on the bits

Starting point is 02:27:26 for sure that's that's normal with the ratchet though uh well no the ratchet is zinc and delrin if it's fresh water so um did he say it's fresh water yeah he said rivers oh right yeah yeah so uh yeah i i don't i don't know what kind of coverage you might get if you, you know, tell us, Hey, yeah, it's full of shmoo because I was in a river and shmoo grew. But if you were to get it wet once in a while, I don't think that would necessarily be the end of the world. Yeah. Grease in the ratchet someone brought up. Uh, yeah, but the end of the world yeah grease in the ratchet someone brought up uh yeah but the grease in the ratchet again it's fresh water um it is not water soluble grease don't know maybe it would So it is not for that.

Starting point is 02:28:26 Not for that. But it seems like it might do okay. It might do okay. Yeah. Next question from Jason. What are you guys more excited for, 4000 series or AMD 7000 series? And do you think that it will come,

Starting point is 02:28:42 who will come out on top in performance this gen? Well, if it's anything like the trend yeah it's going to be nvidia again then again i don't know i saw rumors that 7000 series is supposed to be like chiplet sweet and amd chipleted intel and it's taken years for them to come back from it so i don't know and amd's drivers have apparently gotten a lot better I mean their video encoding has apparently gotten a lot better these are all things I need the lab to verify

Starting point is 02:29:12 for me but hey could I put a Radeon GPU in my personal rig for the first time in like over 10 years that'd be pretty sweet I'm pretty down I'm pretty down let's go next question from Matthew S straw lid wind I don't down. Let's go. Next question from Matthew S. Straw lid win. I don't know. Okay. It's a quick one.

Starting point is 02:29:34 Okay, next question. Waiting for the big chungus, Linus. Waiting for the big chungus. Linus, do you have a timeline for your wire management products? And Luke, what is your favorite product from the LTT store? Oh, underwear. Yeah, fair enough.

Starting point is 02:29:50 And the wire management products, no, I don't have a timeline for them yet. Next year, though, not this year. I literally wear LTT underwear every single day. Me too. Yep. I'm always wearing at least some amount of merch. Nice. Next question from anonymous linus uh what is your prediction on the availability and price of the 4000 series cards at launch

Starting point is 02:30:12 trying to see if it's uh worth waiting or getting one now or 3000 series it's impossible for me to know I mean we talked about this earlier in the show nvidia doesn't even tell their board partners what the pricing of the cards is going to be so I i i don't have a i don't have a crystal ball i i just don't know i'm sorry david says hey linus do you know why power suppliers um or power supply manufacturers don't have a standardization for cables um see sonic cables on an evGA power supply. Maybe a video showing what would happen or explaining why no standard. Yeah, the reason that they don't have a standardization for cables is that in the early days, everyone was just doing their own thing, developing modular cabling systems internally. And everyone took a slightly different approach.

Starting point is 02:31:03 And it's not been worth it to change and create incompatibility within their own product lines. So there's no standard. All right. Kyle J says, happy Friday. My brother, Joey, and I love discussing videos each week. Question for all of you. If time is allowed, is there any new hobby that you would like to get into? I've been painting miniatures while watching wanshow and was wondering if something has

Starting point is 02:31:27 caught your guys's eye recently i know he wants to get into like iron working yeah um i actually like really do my biggest problem right now is is space and availability i'm doing a jewelry making workshop with the wife so we're gonna make rings which i thought was pretty cool that is pretty i actually did it back in high school so it might be a bit of a refresher for me, but I don't think she's ever done it. My mom did a silversmithing thing back in the day and she thought it was really cool. Yeah, it's super fun. Yeah, I really want to get into blacksmithing. It's just, it's tough.

Starting point is 02:31:56 Someone says join a makerspace. A lot of my time over the last little bit has been taken up by like trying to be less out of shape and stuff um and it's been feeling a lot better i've been like sleeping way better and stuff like that so i'm gonna continue focusing on that for a bit but my next um one of my things this is a weird little personal thing but one of my things when i sort of decided i wasn't to have kids was that I would have to keep doing stuff. Um, so like I took a course on learning how to weld. Um, I went and got, uh, certifications to go diving. I'm like, keep trying to do stuff like that right now. I'm taking a temporary hiatus to get back into shape. And then my next plan is blacksmithing. Um, and so far I've really enjoyed everything that I've tried to do and I want to keep doing it. I'm excited. So I try to do one thing every year.

Starting point is 02:32:47 That's kind of my deal. ALC5440, what are you talking about? There's a comment in the floatplane chat. Sorry. I'm super excited. I was concerned about the remake. Final Fantasy VII and VI are probably my two favorite games, but they killed it.

Starting point is 02:33:00 Oh, do you mean the Final Fantasy VII remake was really good? I thought you were talking about a Final Fantasy VI remake, and they killed it because Final Fantasy VI, like, oh, love it. Anyway, okay, never mind. Okay, sorry, carry on. All right, next super quick question from Joe H. Star Wars, Star Trek, or Stargate?

Starting point is 02:33:18 Can I just say, I mean, honestly, I like the Star Trek reboots a lot better than anything that Lucasfilm has done since Lucas stopped being involved and honestly for a while before lucas stopped being involved i like the universe creation of star wars the most um yeah but a lot of it got like retconned anyway but as far as yeah but a lot of it got like retconned anyway but as far as what of it yeah but i just ignore that um headcanon's awesome uh but as far as what i have seen not becoming tainted stargate was legit i used to watch stargate all the time growing up because it was like one of the few shows that are the three channels that we had on tv would would actually show teal is a freaking

Starting point is 02:34:01 boss and the fact that the the the person that used to act uh the actor for teal does the voice acting for god of war which i used to hate the god of war games i mean i didn't hate them i was not interested in the god of war games and then the remake was amazing and the new remake looks like it's going to be amazing and it's cool that he's a part of it i don't know yeah cool firefly fire too soon yeah yeah too soon yeah yeah never gonna be over it wasn't included in the three clayton asks with the gpu market dropping back down to reasonable levels would you recommend upgrading from a 1080 ti or do you feel it still holds up? 1080 Ti is beast. Yeah. We actually were going to do a video like how does the 1080 Ti hold up today and then I think like Hardware Unboxed

Starting point is 02:34:50 uploaded it like the day after we pitched it. Okay well they did a good job so whatever we won't do that video. And it all depends on you. If is it enough performance for you then do or don't upgrade right? Like I can't I can't tell you what to do. Cyberblade 42 wanted to get a Seasonic power supply based on all the praise you give them. However, Canada Computers has almost all models out of stock besides 1000 watts, and I'm not a fan of Newegg. Any other brand recommendations? I mean, hey, EVGA could probably use the help at the moment. And they have very solid power supplies. So why don't you check out EVGA's offerings? Mark R, ever since I saw your old home office setup, I've been running my PC in another room.

Starting point is 02:35:31 What method is best? KVM over IP? Long cables? Thunderbolt, which is just long cables. So yeah, long cables. Just go long, proper cables, in my humble opinion. Anonymous, do you have trouble attracting talent to work at LMG because of the Vancouver area's prohibitively expensive real estate prices? The thing he's doing. Our internal minimum wage is so much higher than the BC minimum wage,

Starting point is 02:36:02 just because if we will not just because we actually go higher than what is absolutely necessary but partially because it would be impossible for our people to like live here and work here otherwise how would Chase afford to live how could he eat and look at him he needs the food I'm just gonna keep living in my mom's basement so are you still in your mom's no uh i moved out and then i moved back oh and then i'm moving again at some point so it's it's all over the place sometimes it do be like that um yeah i have straight up just flat faced had a lot of people tell me that like they would have considered moving local if we were basically anywhere other than where we are yep um so it is what it is there's a lot of

Starting point is 02:36:53 other benefits of bc that's one of the reasons why the housing is so expensive it's pretty cool to live here but yep it uh hmm if you want not a massive portion of your paychecks, pretty much no matter how much you make going towards housing. I hope it improves. There's a dip that we're going through right now, and I hope it's a big one. And this is with being substantially invested in Vancouver real estate. I'm rooting for it. Let's see a crash.

Starting point is 02:37:24 I want everyone who works here to. Let's see a crash. Like I, I want everyone who works here to be able to afford a house. And honestly, the rate at which housing prices are increasing is greater than the rate at which our like revenues are increasing. Like it's ridiculous. It's crazy. Depending on the class of, depending on the area you're looking at, depending on the class of, of, of housing or class of building rather um like it's it's absurd there have been times when yeah we cannot actually grow fast enough to keep up with the rate of the rate of vancouver property price increases it's it's absurd people who like lmg apartment building like i said i even if i couldn't even right and besides that's not the

Starting point is 02:38:03 goal the goal would be for people to. You don't want company housing. Yeah. Own their property. Yeah, exactly. So what? Do we start like paying people and food and board? No, that's really not how it works.

Starting point is 02:38:16 It was fun for a bit though. Yeah. Well. I think it was. I think it was actually my idea. I couldn't afford anything else. I don't think that counts. I don't think it counts if it's my idea. Next question. I don't know if it actually my idea. I couldn't afford anything else. I don't think that counts.

Starting point is 02:38:27 I don't think it counts if it's my idea. I don't know if it was my idea. I think the law doesn't care whose idea it was. Yeah, that's probably fair. Sorry about that. Next question from Lucas Jade. Did they talk about why Apple dropped NVIDIA? No. I actually had in that video script that I talked about earlier, I had a list of times

Starting point is 02:38:48 that NVIDIA was the a**hole. And I had that in there. But frankly, Apple and NVIDIA are both seemingly equally arrogant. And I suspect that that falling out was from both sides. But what happened was NVIDIA had their GPUs and a bunch of Apple MacBooks that failed because the bumps for the BGA GPUs cracked and loosened over time, causing the MacBooks to fail. And Apple blamed NVIDIA. NVIDIA blamed Apple. And I don't think they ever really settled it to the satisfaction of both of them. And they have never worked together again since. Last curated message for the moment. Anonymous says, thanks for all the hard work, LTT team.

Starting point is 02:39:36 How has the model of pulling your user base on the forum for advertisement partners worked out so far? Well, we're not really pulling for advertising partners. It's more we're just getting community feedback to help us avoid any pitfalls that are going to make us look bad, right? Like we do our due diligence, but we can't, you know, we can't see everything. Like if a particular brand has terrible customer service in Europe, for example, that's not something we can easily evaluate. So it's really good for us to get feedback from our community. For those of you who don't know, on the linus techtips.com forum, there's a section where people can talk about our brand partners and where we can pass that feedback along to our brand partners and help make sure that they are

Starting point is 02:40:18 supporting our community properly so that our community will keep trusting the partners that we continue to work with because it's in everybody's best interest for you guys to be able to trust anyone who's partnered with us it makes our sponsor spots more valuable if our conversion is higher and our conversion will not be high if we just chill garbage that sucks so another question from brian r all black screwdriver fan here uh were you surprised by the breakdown of the screwdriver shaft choices yeah i was a little surprised i thought all black would be more popular than black and orange um but black and orange ended up being being the

Starting point is 02:40:56 winner and i guess for like higher visibility jake called it like like many many many months probably a year before we actually made it to release. I mean, I just liked the look of the all black one. I was like, oh, this looks sick. But he's like, how am I going to find it? I'm like, okay, all right, all right. I mean, I never have trouble finding my screwdrivers in my back pocket.

Starting point is 02:41:16 I mean, not the second. Now it's in my LTT backpack. Oh, wow. And it's sleeve. That's why he gets paid the big bucks. But then I also have an orange one right now. So, I don't know. Which matches the backpack.

Starting point is 02:41:30 Get them both. Yeah, let's go. LTTstore.com. And a new 64-ounce water bottle. Yeah, exactly. That doesn't fit in the backpack. I mean, it does, but not in the holder. Yeah, not in the predefined water bottle holder.

Starting point is 02:41:43 Yeah. I think that's it for Merch Messages. Thank you for tuning into The WAN Show. We will see you again next week. Oh, right. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye! Oh, wait.

Starting point is 02:41:56 Oh. They did it. Oh, that works. That works. That's good. Oh, wow. The rest of the Merch Messages just kind of go there. That's cool.

Starting point is 02:42:03 I don't think that's keyed up. Yeah. Cool. Oh. Oh. Oh, wow. The rest of the merch messages just kind of go there. That's cool. I don't think it's keyed up. Oh, oh, all right. Well, I've got one more that came in that I should just, yeah, I'll address this because I was actually going to talk about it. I just heard from Joe N asks, any other collabs coming up? And the answer is yes. I actually just heard from Nico nico from corridor digital while we were live he says uh just watch the final edit of redacted video uh your segment is excellent and

Starting point is 02:42:32 an awesome moment in the middle of the video so you can find me over on corridor digital sometime whenever they release that cool i don't know when um so i can archive that one oh my goodness guys you gotta stop you gotta stop sending you gotta stop sending merch messages in at the last second i'm sorry i can't i can't look at these ones yeah yeah we're gonna end the show bye again

The WAN Show - The Biggest Tech Divorce - WAN Show September 16, 2022

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