The WAN Show - The Lab is a Disaster - WAN Show June 3, 2022

Episode Date: June 7, 2022

Get 20% off your first Mack Weldon order with promo code "wanshow" at: mackweldon.com/wanshow Check out Ivan’s GPUs available for auction below. All proceeds will go to SOS Children’s Villages, Ukraine Star Wars special edition TITAN Xp: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/175306445056 Turtle Beach Montego: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/175306436950 EVGA GTX 580: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/175306436691 ATI X850 XT: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/175306436043 Timestamps: (Courtesy of NoKi1119 - NOTE: Timestamps may be off due to change in sponsors) 0:00 Chapters 1:21 Intro 1:50 Topic #1 - Lab issues 2:56 The state lab is in, note from probation employee 4:15 Safety rail, dispenser & door knobs "removed" 6:30 Linus discusses consumer protection & legislation 10:08 Video on the lab, Linus's frustration 12:29 Good news about the lab 14:08 Linus's & Luke's offices are smaller 16:42 Reality hits Linus, nobody is moving into labs soon 17:22 Topic #2 - JASCO switch update 17:42 Development, known bugs & issues 22:16 Other switch companies reached out 23:22 Swidget's modular switches & other companies 25:00 Video on JASCO, discussing their support 27:18 Luke the bird-dad's excuse 30:33 Sponsors 34:22 Topic #3 - Linus's open letter to Floatplane 34:32 Linus's anger with JASCO compared to eggshell 37:00 Explaining the FP letter, feedback & Roku 42:46 Roku's TV integration, FP's preference, Hydravion 47:02 Luke is still hiring a developer for FP 47:28 Merch Messages #1 47:34 Varjo's brain control interface & influence on VR 50:18 LTTStore's screwdriver, FP's subscriber milestone 51:03 LTTStore's backpack weather resistance 52:32 LTTStore's WANyard, swacket+beanie discount 54:46 Topic #4 - Tim Hortons' tracking 57:08 Leaking classified info, Linus's take on war 59:34 Arguments & sending a tank's operations manual 1:00:14 Merch Messages #2 1:02:12 What does an LTT script looks like 1:08:37 Surprising profitable & growth of LMG 1:09:34 Luke on Steam Deck & SteamOS 1:10:46 Topic #5 - Google removes location-based reminders 1:13:02 Google & G Suite users, useless errors 1:17:34 Linus shows interests issue 1:22:18 Merch Messages #3 1:23:39 Anthony complains about G Suite & exporting data 1:26:12 Favorite feature Amazon removed, blocking domains 1:27:28 Articles on video topics, forum's front page design 1:30:48 Linus on They're Just Movies, how it started 1:32:40 Incoming Google Pixel watch 1:34:23 Topic #6 - New York passes tech bills 1:36:22 Limiting Bitcoin mining 1:37:10 Elon Musk cuts 10% of Tesla jobs, Linus on investment 1:39:53 Topic #7 - Samsung leaves the LCD market 1:41:27 Topic #8 - Windows's Project Volterra 1:42:46 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summer's here, and you can now get almost anything you need delivered with Uber Eats. What do we mean by almost? You can't get a well-groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parmesan delivered. Sunshine? No. Some wine? Yes. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets.

See app for details. Reason right there. That's fair enough, but that doesn't put them to bed. Welcome to the WAN Show, ladies and gentlemen. Hey! We've got a fantastic show lined up for you today. Yeah. But unfortunately,

Luke can't stay for all of it because he has to go home and put his birds to bed. That's right. We're going to be talking home automation. I do have an update on the Jasko switch situation. And hey,

if I'm getting rid of all of my switches, I may have a recipient for my donation because Luke has to go home to turn off a light so his bird will go to sleep. An impressive amount of stuff

in my house is literally your old things. I'll also be updating you guys on the state of the lab. We took possession on Wednesday and I got a chance to go over there today and it's not good.

What else we got today? we have a question about roku devices we want to know why you use them um i would read from the doc for this question but it would be the length of a full video so we'll probably hopefully uh communicate with the audience as much as possible also canadians are up in arms because tim Hortons has been tracking people. Canadians are also up in arms over Bill C-11 or whatever. That's supposed to be in the doc today, but I guess we won't be talking about that in detail. Let's go ahead and roll that intro. let's jump right into our headline topic you haven't seen the lab at all yet i've seen the outside of the building that's it all right when i saw it okay it's about 20 000 square feet it's a big building it's right on

the end of this street like i could almost hork from here to there uh it's got a lot of things going for it it has a ton of power yeah lots it's big enough that we can grow into it for quite some time like we could have a team of 30 40 people working out of there between developers engineers writing we could have a ton of creation going on over there um did i already mention it has a ton of power coming into it lots tons of power like large literally 300 000 watts of power it used to be like a machine shop or something yeah it used to be a sheet metal fabrication place yeah yeah so it has a lot going for it when i saw it it was all kind of humming you know there was a business running out of there and um everything seemed like kind of at least you know presentable

like kind of at least, you know, presentable. Well, unfortunately, between the things that they were supposed to do, okay, the things the seller was supposed to take care of, like replacing ceiling tiles that had been stained by previous leaks or patching up holes and the things that were just kind of concealed by the existing equipment.

Right. It is in a state that is literally six figures worse than I had anticipated. Oh. Yeah. Okay. And then, you know that... I see why you're upset now.

You know that tone? You know when my phone ringer went off right before the start of the show and i was like oh this is this is worse yeah okay so that is for i can't name this person yet they're still on their probation um but you know who they are one uh got it one of those hi gary and linus after doing a bunch of digging i found a used emc chamber that's fit for purpose the quote on it is 50 000 us dollars that's the deal one nice why don't we talk through some of the deficiencies at the new place?

Okay. Okay, first things first. They just outright ripped out some of the things that were supposed to stay. For example, there's a safety rail up on one of the balconies. Why would they take that off? Okay, so, well, they didn't just take it off, okay? If they had just taken it off, that might have actually been been better there were air compressors up there that we knew they were going to take with them that's equipment that you might want to take with you sure but instead of

dragging them down the stairs the hard way they just took a sawzall or a roto zip or something cut off the safety rails so that they could get a forklift up there, grabbed it, and booked it. And we're sitting here going, so now you've basically taken a building that was up to safety code, you have unsafety codified it, and just left this like 80 pound hunk of steel,

or actually multiple ones, just left them there. Hey, you can bring that to a scrapyard hey thanks for that like five bucks and it's just like weird stuff they took with them okay i have never i've never seen i've never seen anything like it they took the paper towel dispensers off the bathroom walls they might need those in the new place well right but that's the kind of thing that's typically included in a base building. Yeah. They left the toilet paper dispensers, but not the paper towels. Oh, no, not the paper towel dispensers. They took doorknobs.

Now, to be clear, they were combination doorknobs, which, not electronic electronic ones not fancy ones in any way i i could see them wanting to take those with them but you're supposed to replace them with something so as it is you just stick a screwdriver in the thing nice and i'm just i'm sitting here going this is this is ridiculous that's legit you should like weld in uh LTT screwdrivers to all the doors and just have that be the doorknobs. No. No. No.

It would look cool. No. Constant sponsorship, every video. Okay, can you go after them for this? Unfortunately, there is no... Okay. I don't know where you guys live, but depending on the market that you're in,

consumer protections or buyer protections in real estate have been significantly eroded over, well, the last quite a few years to the point where, you know, when Yvonne and I bought our house, our first home, it was normal for us to have like a multi-week due diligence period where we could go arrange our financing

after making an offer, get a proper thorough home inspection so that the purchase agreement could have all the details for the things that need to be fixed before we move in. And there would be a reasonable, in good faith negotiation process over these potential issues. For example, the house that we lived in for 10 years. The previous owners, our home inspector noted that the water tank was like on its last legs. It was going to go.

And so the previous owners, in order to get the deal done, split the cost of that water tank with us so that when we were buying the home, it would be in a reasonable, ready to move into state. Well, that's gone. Like in the lower mainland, i mean they are trying they are now talking about legislation that is going to eliminate blind bidding for example they are talking about legislation to have a mandatory cool down period so after an offer you have a

mandatory period of time where you're allowed to go through that due diligence. It's not long enough, what I've seen proposed, not nearly long enough, but they're starting to do something, but it doesn't exist right now. So commercial real estate here is not quite as bad. It's not, it has not gotten quite as bad as residential, but it's getting there. It's getting really rough. And we're at a point now where we did, we did do an inspection. So the base building envelope is at least sound, you know, but those little details are things that you have essentially no, no leverage on. And what we know is that after we made our offer, another offer came in higher, after our offer had been accepted. So we knew that if we came in and we pushed back and we said, hey, we want you guys to fix up this and do that and ensure X and Y and Z.

Or just go with the other option. They could have basically just kind of said no. And our options would have been accept no for an answer or let the offer lapse and they just take a different offer. So if we wanted to close the deal, which like I said, there are a lot of benefits to it in terms of location, in terms of size. It's not a very nice building, which is actually our advantage. It's not well set up for, it's large enough that you should be running, you know, significant amounts of, of shipping in and out of it. Like it's 20,000 square feet.

But it's really not set up very well for truck access. So it's like kind of a crappy building, but because all we need is a ton of power, a ton of space. And backpack storage. And backpack storage. Sorry, potentially.

It's perfect for us, right? right so it a lot of stars aligned so what choice did we have really yeah yikes yeah um i mean i could go on we filmed a video while we were over there james yvonne and i james was the only one who knew exactly where we were planning to put people. There's just, man, there's a lot of stuff that I just feel like a combination of, I wish I'd looked a little closer.

Not that it would have made a difference. We would have done it anyway. There's no other building. It's kind of like, it's kind of like buying a new car and then getting it home and realizing like your favorite, your favorite coffee mug doesn't fit in the cup holder that well here yeah yeah just little things like that or holy crap it doesn't support android auto

it only supports carplay and i'm an android kind of character i like i i didn't realize it takes premium gas i don't want to pay for that yeah it's nothing that's a deal breaker you probably would have bought the same car anyway but like oh instead of instead of walking around it and being like oh shiny excite i'm a little frustrated i'm a little disappointed and i wish that i wish i had been a little more prepared just and like like you're talking about like the laws here should probably just be better but like you shouldn't be able to go into a building that you're handing off and just chop stuff up like the like the railings like the door handles no that's pretty crappy the door handles should be there there should be some form of door handles like you

said though they could take the like smart ones whatever and then put in like fairly standard door handles yes as long as they're door handles that function yes whatever but like so that should be done you shouldn't be able to completely remove functionality of a door yeah and then also you shouldn't just like chop up safety railings like that's both of those things are crazy yeah like neither neither these are like somewhat reasonable the thing to understand too is that there's three parties involved there's the buyer buyer, the seller, and the tenant. So it was the tenant going, they don't care. It's not their deal.

They don't... Oh. The odds of the seller, even if we do come back to the seller and be like, actually, no, this does need to be fixed. The odds of them going and chasing this prior tenant and retrieving it basically minimal so they went in there and went as long as we don't do like a hundred grand worth of damage to this place it's unlikely to be worth the cost of pursuing this legally so we can just go for it yikes let's talk about the good things yikesikes. The labs team is up to, I believe, six people now.

Yeah. They're working out of the old creator warehouse space. Gary got deported. It's complicated, but he'll be back. So he's working out of where he used to live for now. Yeah. I keep thinking that he's here and then hearing that he's not. And I'm like, yeah, that's complicated.

Okay. Oh, okay. All right. Some other good things about the lab. The line of sight between the existing office and the lab looks good. So we should be able to set up Wi-Fi dishes. That's going to be pretty cool. What else is good?

There's already been some really good work done. Yep. I mean, this is apparently a deal. So I'm apparently getting a deal on an anechoic chamber. So that's good. How big is it? I mean, it looks pretty sick.

Is that like walking? It's three meters. So like, that looks pretty cool. Oh, that's not small. That makes sense that it's that expensive i thought this was like okay yeah yeah yeah i mean so that's things that big are gonna yeah they're gonna cost some moolah is it like on springs or anything um i guess you could just mount it however you wanted. I'm adding Yvonne to this.

He's flustered. He's flustered. We got to do stuff. We'll make it. Oh, man. There's, oh, oh, man. I found out my office is smaller than I thought. Oh, no.

My office is going to get smaller again. Oh, daddy. Okay. Come on. More office with the two windows, but it's too small. You know, I don't have to give you one. You're not. I thought we did.

Not really. I thought we established this. A call room. Yeah, but it's yours whenever you want it. Do you want to show up to my call room? No, you can come to my office. It's actually not really big enough to meet with multiple people and also have my desk in it. Oh, that's not great. Yeah. Wait, how small is it then?

Can you compare it to this room? It's maybe to that kind of almost vertical two by six. No, it's not that big, actually. Maybe more to that light. And then to here. You can fit people in there. Well, I mean, I need my desk that big, actually. Maybe more like to that light. And then to here. You can fit people in there. Well, I mean, I need my desk in there too. I'd like to have a test bench and stuff.

Oh, so you'd want to transplant the same set of people? Is it smaller than that one? Yeah, it's smaller than my existing... I went from I had the biggest office in this building to Yvonne took it and then I went into your old office. Yvonne shares hers with two other went into your old office Yvonne

shares hers with like two other people one other person two you're right you're right you're right so I had I had like I had like the king office and then I went to the one that we built for you and then you got none and then now I'm actually downgrading again and um I guess what we could probably infer from the fact that I'm getting a smaller one and your new one is smaller than my new one. In fact, yours will be a significant downgrade from your old one. Yeah. I don't need a big office though. Yeah. I would meet with probably a maximum of one person at a time or it would just make more sense to go to a conference room. Okay. That's another thing. The place we had planned to put the server room, the walls don't go all the way up.

Noise isolation for it is going to be a significant challenge. Everything can be overcome. I mean, that's not good. Everything can be overcome. It's just... You raise the walls. Money. Yeah.

Time. No. Changing out the walls is going to be a challenge because of the parking being maxed out, we can't make any actual structural changes to the building so i don't know maybe we just huck a bunch of like structural rock wool up there yeah okay yeah like you can't change the floor plan essentially oh so it's not a room no it's like it's not a room. No, it's like a half wall up to a T-bar drop ceiling. Got it. Yeah, it's not a real wall.

Yeah. We did find a place for a fire pole. So that's good. Are you actually doing it? No. Okay. Definitely not. Yeah.

I'm excited to move in. I guess that's part of why I'm so disappointed because I was really excited to move in. And today, reality hit me like a sledgehammer to the face that I am not moving in anytime soon I and nobody else are moving in in at least like a couple months okay yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be rough sounds like I'm working from home for a bit more boys or a bit more yep I hope you've got air conditioning at your house. I do, actually. Good.

Excellent. Yeah. That worked out for everyone. Yeah. Okay. It's okay. It's okay. I'm fine.

What do you want to talk about next? Why don't you pick a topic? Because I just, I can't right now. I'm sorry. Update on the Jazzco situation? Will this make you happy? No. Okay.

All right. I thought it was good. I thought it was good. We can go to something else. No, I'll update it. Tim Hortons is tracking is tracking your bits no that's not good news either luke uh let's talk jasco last week i talked about the situation where jasco the manufacturer of the motion sensing smart switches that i installed in my new house refused to provide updated firmware for the switches after Jake and I experienced buggy behavior. We have since done a lot of troubleshooting.

We've gone back and forth with JazzCo, and there are a few noteworthy outcomes here. Outcome number one is that JazzCo has publicly stated that they will engage with the community in good faith on the issue of firmware availability. Whether this ends up looking like you request it from them and they provide it, or a download page on their website, that's yet to be seen. But they've had high-level discussions internally,

and it looks like that's something that's going to change. Very good. So that is excellent news. Awesome. Great. Bad news. Oh, more good news first. More good news. I don Great. Bad news. Oh, more good news first. More good news. I don't know what was going on. Well, we have an idea what's going on.

We'll give you more details on that in a moment. But I did manage to disable the motion sensor. So I went and I tried again. And remember that issue I had where I thought maybe a firmware update would fix not being able to disable the motion sensor on it? Well, I tried it and I was able to disable the motion sensor on it? Well, I tried it and I was able to disable the motion sensor. Nice. Got to love when troubleshooting happens that way. Yeah. So maybe I don't need new firmware.

Also, in other news, JASCO mixed up their hexadecimal and their binary. And the firmware, sorry, hexadecimal and hold on, hold on, let me double check. I mean i mean that could be a thing but i don't know what you're talking about okay uh let's uh they actually like talk to you about this in an email uh yeah yep yep yep yep yep okay that's a lot of emails uh so they they mixed up their so when certifying the firmware with the Z-Wave Alliance, you must fill out the form using hexadecimal format. This was entered in as 32 and was incorrectly translated from hex... Oh, sorry, two decimal as 50.

The correct version for that certification should be 32. So the so-called 5.50 firmware is the one that I was using. They do not have updated firmware. They did send me the files so I can try to reflash and see if that fixes any potential issue. Jake validated this already. So you don't have to check and see if there's.

Oh, I'm not. Yeah. But then I was able to disable the motion anyway, but then I was able to replicate the motion anyway. But then I was able to replicate the issue where I was not able to disable the motion because I went to adopt yet another switch and it actually grabbed the same device number

within the Z-Wave JS thing in Home Assistant and then neither of them would work properly until I disconnected both of them and then adopted them both again and then they would work properly until I disconnected both of them and then adopted them both again, and then they would work. So there could still be buggy behavior. We don't know whether that is on Home Assistant or I think it's like zwave.js or something like that.

Completely regardless, you should still be able to access the firmware and stuff. Yes, you should still have access to firmware. I was still right to be mad about the fact that they would not give me firmware because i would have been far less mad if i just had bought a buggy product i still would have been mad i have also found bugs that have not been resolved for example the by the firmware by anything okay yeah by by anything so the timeout so you would, at least I believe that's what this parameter does. Disclaimer, I don't know, maybe it does something else entirely. I don't know. But I would think

that on a motion sensor, a timeout field would affect how long it is until the motion sensor kicks back in. So if I were to turn it off, if it were to turn off, how long before it starts sensing again? And as it is, they're immediate out of the box so you can press the button to leave the bathroom and as you walk away it'll turn back on that's obviously not a desirable behavior so i think that's what that field's supposed to do okay changing that does not appear to affect anything there's also a vacancy mode vacancy mode's kind of cool so occupancy mode turns on the light when it senses motion and then turns off the light when it stops sensing motion right vacancy mode will only turn on the light when you turn it on and then it will turn it off when you leave vacancy mode does not

appear to be functioning correctly but again i don't know whose fault that is so i'm not going to point any fingers yet sure what i do know is that there have been other developments. Seeing the problems that I was having with JASCO, I've had one of the switch companies that a lot of people actually said that I should check out in the comments under last week's Luan show. One of them reached out. Inovelli, I want to say.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Inovelli reached out uh in a valley i want to say in yeah yeah yep in a valley reached out um aeotech reached out i think you mentioned in a valley in the on the show and there's yeah yeah so in a valley reached out uh aeotech reached out and actually there's another switch company that um that jake found that is so cool you should have a battle you should get like a sample set of switches from each one and have like a a uh battle royale realistically that's what we probably should have done but one lives we just like are very busy we're very busy people and it's like it's tough oh but it's a video it's content if you don't have time you don't have time okay check these out okay switch it apparently these guys are oh my stop enough apparently these guys are... Oh my... Stop. Enough. Apparently, these guys are Canadian. These are modular. Modular smart home switches.

What? So they've got humidity sensors, motion sensors. Whoa, that's cool. You can put a USB port in there. They're kind of fugly, in my humble opinion. Sorry, Swidget. I don't think they're that bad. But in terms of functionality this looks flipping amazing

so being able to just be like yeah hey couldn't help noticing that it's a little humid in here don't mind me gonna switch on your fan in the bathroom do you care about the aesthetics of the switch if it felt good if the haptics were good oh would that overpower the aesthetics that's far more important yeah i agree i mean that's the main reason that i didn't go with um caseta or whatever uh who's who's the parent brand uh for uh smart switches caseta is it lutron lutron yeah that's why i didn't go with those because they feel awful they're just abhorrent if i ever have to actually use them with my fingers it's it's like i just i feel guilty spending money on them like i just i can't believe i gave them money for you know what do you want to reward that like terrible haptics are important way to way to cheap out in the most

obvious user facing kind of way you idiots like just that kind of thing you know yeah it's tough for sure so jasko situation still developing the first video on it is going to be edited when jake's back from uh back from vacation so whenever that happens and we will hopefully get you guys completely up to speed you'll get to live through the frustration with us. It's definitely worth a watch just because I don't remember the last time my anger was that white hot, man. When I, when I was on the phone and they were like,

sorry, sir, we do not provide firmware. That's proprietary. I will. I do applaud their change of stance. Me too where it's due yeah okay yeah there is an enormous difference between having a you know an ass backwards way of thinking and doubling down on it and having an ass backwards way of thinking and someone honestly not that nicely yeah sure telling you that your way of

thinking is ass backwards and still having the maturity to self-reflect and go i respect that a ton i think that's huge okay yeah it's time to change yeah and if they actually follow through fully because there's still some some follow-through right yes but if they actually follow through fully, because there's still some follow through, right? Yes. But if they actually follow through fully, that's huge and very cool. And I respect it. But there's the public commitment.

They are publicly in touch with Home Assistant. That's a big deal. That's cool. That's a huge deal for the DIY community. And the more, and you got to understand, there is absolutely attention on this and seeing Jasko reverse, seeing Jasko embrace this,

I guarantee you that'll put pressure on other players in the industry to take a more open approach. And that's what we need because that's what's breaking smart home stuff. That's what's killing the adoption is you've got all these horrible, fragmented ecosystems.

And, you know, as a consumer, consumer right let's say i couldn't afford to replace all the switches in my house like the vast majority of people let's say i wanted to upgrade piecemeal how do i know which one is still going to exist for me to actually get another one in a year or two years or five years so knowing that these are open and they can all ultimately be tied together it's very cool it's critical yeah because otherwise why would you take that first step why would you get a smart switch so that you can turn your bird stupid light on from a distance instead of driving all the way home to turn a light on or off to put your bird to bed what is wrong with you sorry there's more complications luke's excuse for not coming over to watch a movie with more complications than that for not coming over to watch a movie

with me tonight is that he has to go home so he can turn off the light so he can put his bird to bed and Luke, please explain. So, okay. So there's two things going on here. One is that the birds have to go to bed eventually. My girlfriend gets home from work really late. And the second is you are a giant bird simp. Yeah, sure.

And the second is that they have extremely, extremely bad dark vision. They, they become like effectively blind the second it's like dimly lit in the room. Um, like one of the easiest ways to catch them is just have a few light sources that are generally far away and turn off all the close ones. And then you just walk up to them and go like scoop because they can't see anything. turn off all the close ones and then you just walk up to them and go like scoop because they can't see anything um so i don't i i have mentioned many times i don't have home automation stuff i forgot to turn the light on before i leave usually i remember so it's going to be actually it's summer now it probably doesn't matter actually they're birds and it probably never mattered

but carry on so it would be really dark and they would be uncomfortable and it would be bad for them um and then it's their bedtime around like 8 30 and sometimes the wanshow can go real late that's fair real late that's fair what you said so i have to put them to bed i don't have to like it but i do have to respect it i don't think i'm going to be able to home automate putting them to bed. I bet you could. It's possible. Oh, man. You do a little curtain thing for their thing? It's possible.

That would actually be kind of a cool project. It could be kind of neat. Title. Title for the video. Bell, can you note this down? We solved the world's stupidest problem. I mean, I think that would be a great collab with simone gertz it'd be sweet yeah like just building a stupid machine for a thing that no one should have to do okay

luke you know that not everyone babies their budgie the way that you do right sure and that your budgies but i do your budgies i am bird are playing Sure. Okay, I'm just making sure that... I am bird dad. You are bird dad. I don't like this anti-bird stance line. Look, I'm not anti... I'm not anti... Birds aren't real! No, Canada is not real.

Or Canada. Neither of them are real. As for Canada geese, well, they're double not real. They're birds and Canadian. Yeah, I don't know. I can make it work. I can make it work.

It just probably, I'd have to go home first. That's all. I gotta put them to bed, dude. Okay. Why don't we talk? You know what? Let's talk sponsors. Let's get the sponsors out of the way

because I got to make some money, ladies and gentlemen. I got an expensive lab to deal with here. Thanks to Mack Weldon for sponsoring today's show. It's heating up outside, and when it comes to stylist essentials perfect for the hotter days ahead, there's no better option than Mack Weldon. From hanging out at home to that much-needed vacation, the meeting room to the happy hour, they've got you covered. Their innovative daily wear system takes a guesswork out of getting dressed,

even for the most indecisive guys like me. Mack Weldon's premium polos easily elevate your look with fabric technology that keeps you comfortable as the temperature rises. Their lightweight silver peak polo and new super soft pima t-shirt polo are both great for the summer. Two other must-haves for this beach, pool, lake, pond, or kiddie pool season are Mack Weldon's board shorts and swim trunks. A combo of performance, stretch, and slick design, they're great gear for when you're taking time off. For anyone who's looking to step up their daily routine, don't miss these. Check out Mack Weldon for yourself and save 20% off your first order at MackWeldon.com

slash WANSHOW with the promo code WANSHOW. Again, that's MackWeldon.com slash WANSHOW with promo code WANSHOW for 20% off. Stock up on the warm weather essentials you've been missing. Let's jump right into our next topic. And this is an interactive topic, ladies and gentlemen. We had a lot of... Hold on, sorry. I have one question.

You mentioned that you had a rant that's in a video that's coming up. That's like the angriest you've been in a long time. That's not really a question. Is it worse than eggshell? I think i was uh so the thing about this was a question brought by the audience yeah the thing about the paint issue is that it had been like a slow burn right like i it had been one issue after another after another after another we're still not done with the issues with those painters by the way did i talk at all about how like they masking taped everything even though no professional

painter in my opinion should be masking everything off with tape like that you should just know how to cut a straight line with a three inch brush because you're a professional anyway the point is like super hard masking tape who did i thought it was david called you out in some video because you did a line without masking but it was all messy yeah it's it's it's good enough it's better than what happens with masking tape especially if you leave it on for i don't know because so they left the masking tape on too long and there's places where once they finally ripped it away because it's latex paint it's kind of rubbery it peels away a bunch of the freaking wall too so then you're gonna go back in with the sandpaper go cut the line anyway you might as well just cut it in the first place yeah basically um

so it would be a bit of a slow burn because it was like one issue after another after another after another whereas the shock the pure shock and awe of a company telling me that they have firmware so that that was a miscommunication, obviously. But the part that wasn't a miscommunication was that they do not provide them to clients. That just, it enraged me. So this is another level. Yeah, it's like sudden onset road rage versus like you've had a really long week and you're tired and irritable. Right.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy cut me off. You know, like just what? Exciting. Who does that?

Who takes the paper towel dispensers out of the building and cuts off the safety rails? Are you, did you film? Yeah. Nice. Yvonne was actually the one who noticed it. I didn't even notice. Cause I was just like,

yeah, I'm chill. Whatever. I spent like two summers of my life walking around on roofs I don't care about like an open drop But from a like safety Regulatory standpoint right You do have to She was looking at it going um what

Money yeah Yep yep yep Okay what are we supposed to be talking about here Ah yes this is an interactive topic i posted just a little open letter to the float playing community earlier this week just being like hey really appreciate you guys i think it was the day that the money came out of our account for the lab and i was feeling a lot of anxiety because it's the most money that we've ever spent i don't know if i've disclosed the amount but it was 13 13 and a half million dollars

by the time all the fees were accounted for big bucks canadian dollars i guess so like 10 us but that's i mean far and away the most money we've ever spent on everything to be clear no we don't have 10 million dollars in the bank um we financed it so it was uh it was 10 down but that's still a million dollars going out of the bank account um and so i was feeling really stressed out and i i was like you know needed a minute and so i sat and i just typed up a little thing like hey floatplane appreciate you um because yeah it's not as it's not as big of a driver of overall revenue compared to certain other business units whether it's like creator warehouse or uh the business team again love you business team for real don't leave me um but it's really consistent like that community has stood behind us. It's growing. Yeah, there's almost 21,000. They're almost 21,000 strong.

And, you know, those are real numbers at that point. You know, I can know that if my payments for this building are going to be... We're 13 off, actually. Yeah, hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, which they are, that, you know, Floatplane is going to be there providing that, that consistent income, right? Like it's, it's a big deal. Right. And so I was just like, Hey, float plane, appreciate you. Um, anyway, that, uh, the comments under that ended up having a lot of really great feedback about what we could do to make the platform better, to help attract more people to it and,

and keep growing it. Right. Because that's going to be, it's going to get tougher as we go harder on manufacturers. I think there are going to be, it's going to get tougher. As we go harder on manufacturers, I think there are going to be significant sponsors that walk away from us. And that's something that I've had to kind of steal myself for because we can't have it both ways, right? We can't have, hey, we're going to be brutally honest, but also we're going to sweep things under the rug when it's convenient, right? So sponsors are going to have to just put on their big kid pants and deal with that.

Some of them do. Sometimes we're going to be critical of them, and other times we're going to be engaging with them in a sponsored capacity, and that's just the way it has to be. If you want access to our audience who trusts us because we're going to give it to them straight, then you're just going to have to take your lumps when they come, right? And, oh, I forget where I was going with this. Right, right, right. So these great suggestions to help grow this community, which we're going to become more reliant on. One of the ones I saw over and over again is

you need a Roku app. And the first question that came to my mind. Or insert various smart TV, NVIDIA Shield app, Apple TV app. Yeah, but Roku. Fire Stick app. Is the one that I saw the most. And Rokus have existed since back when I was working at NCIX. Best buy for me. I didn't understand the reason that they existed

then. Me neither. And I don't understand the reason that they exist now. Me neither. So I really want this to be a super interactive topic with you guys in the community. Roku lovers. I want to know why. Do people buy them from NCIX? A handful

yeah. I used to work at Best Buy. No one ever bought them from best buy well that's okay and when i say some people i mean like we would sell three a week yeah like like not a significant number so i just didn't get it like compared to something like the um do you remember popcorn time yeah yeah so compared to like Popcorn Time, which was like a super, super clean way of torrenting movies back in the day. Such a crazy. Not only would you torrent the movies,

but there was a great interface for browsing them, like very Netflix-esque. And then instead of waiting for the whole thing to download and then playing it, Popcorn Time had figured out how to download the chunks in order and serve the video to you as it's streaming down so it would essentially you would stream it really like netflix but then you would

yeah but then you would have the full file at the end of streaming it like torrenting uh it was kind of mind-blowing obviously it was like illegal and i to my knowledge doesn't exist anymore maybe it does but then there was also the patriot box office whose main function was it was really easy to access in that particular case uh i think it was like korean soaps and um and like chinese shows and stuff like that so i mean we would sell hundreds a week of devices like that. But, you know, Roku, especially back then when almost no one was paying for like web web video content. I just I didn't really get it then. And nowadays, I mean, there's your TV, which probably has a lot of apps for it already. There's the NVIDIA Shield, which, I mean,

whatever I might think of NVIDIA, the Shield is basically just an absolute no-brainer for me if you want a smart interface for a TV that either doesn't have one or has a poor one. Shield's expensive. Yes. I don't know how much Roku costs at all. They have high-end models

have have we gotten any like really great feedback from people something that i saw that i'm looking into yeah um and it does totally seem like it's a thing is there's a a bunch of tvs that have roku integration by the cl has built-in Roku. Not just that. RCA, TCL, ONN. ONN is Walmart's house brand. Hisense. Yeah, and they're available at Costco, which is probably where a lot of them come from.

Walmart, which is probably where a lot of them come from. Yeah, but something being available isn't a reason to buy one. No, but if there's a TV at Costco, a lot of people are probably going to assume that it's at least a decent offer. Like, I bet you Costco has a lot of TVs. Oh, I see. You mean a lot of the ones,

a lot of the TVs at Costco have onboard Roku. I think so. There's multiple TVs at Costco that have it. Got it. Because it looks like, yeah, there's three different Hisense TVs at Costco that have Roku built in. Okay.

All right. What else we got here? Some other people saying that they prefer Roku to their TVs, already existing smart TV stuff. Kubla says, I love mine

because it's more reliably updated and performs better than the built-in TV apps. I can also take it on vacation. Yeah. Okay. So that wraps in actually a lot of other feedback that I've seen. Okay. Hammy3D says cracking a fire stick is the best way at the moment. So that might be a good reason to have one of those. The remote is good, says DextrousManX76. NinjaManAway over on Floatplane chat says my isp gave me my isp gave me their streaming box for free but it's a rebranded roku okay that i didn't know

that's interesting so basically way more people are using these than i realized i guess probably me as well okay so is this something but man like oh it's gonna be tough it's gonna be tough i i can't i can't promise guys yeah building a whole new platform just because i don't think it's yeah okay this is a good point joseph says my grandparents got a roku because they didn't know chromecast existed yeah like, like if you want a low cost option, Chromecast? I like, I still, I don't know. It's one of, okay. It's one of those things that I look at and I go, yes, I see the value add.

I just don't see the value add compared to other options if i wanted a super premium option i would absolutely get a shield if i wanted a budget option i would go for a chromecast or i'm sure there are like low cost uh you know rando ones that you can also get yeah there is and like i've never personally used it but but this app has actually existed for a really long time now um which one should i show your screen hydra vion you can sure and like again i haven't personally used it um oh seriously but this has existed for an extremely long time and everyone that i know that uses it says that it's good um and it like works with your different subscriptions like it shows there there's there's like it works with so if you're subscribed to ltt and in this example bitwit ultra or whatever else it should work with all of that you can browse your various channels like i i've heard very good things about this um okay i should probably reach out to

bml zootown at some point yeah and maybe just get him to like make it officially for us or something yeah yeah i don't know you can pay i don't have any money right now, but maybe someday we could pay for it. I don't know. All right. Yeah. But yeah, like, honestly, a lot of the team is sick right now, is what I will say,

without getting into specifics. Yeah, that's fair. And the dev bandwidth that we have to be able to kind of spread around is very limited currently um i am hiring a speaking of having no money um i am hiring a back-end developer to try to come in and help support the flowplane team um and but it's gonna like take some time for that person to get onboarded and there's there's other extremely important things on the roadmap that would have to get done ahead of time, etc., etc. But, yeah.

All right. I guess it's the point in the show where we take some merch messages. Bell, do you want to hit me with some merch messages? I would love to. From Reed, what are your thoughts on the new Varho making a VR headset with a brain-controlled interface? Do you think that's what can make the push for VR to become less of an experience and more of an everyday product uh i would say that the brain control interface stuff would have to be way better than any version i have ever used and i doubt it if it was then sweet but i find a lot of them end up turning into um

less less like neural impulse control and more uh facial muscle movements um because you actually get a lot more man it's been a long time since i've read this up so i'm going to say some things wrong but like the electrical whatever stuff you get a lot more of it by just like smiling right so so a lot of it ends up being like you just move your face around and that interfaces with it better um but i mean maybe they have a way better version i don't know i'd love to try this yeah at the very least yeah apparently it's crazy, crazy high resolution. And I think it costs like two grand or something like that. Like what?

Damn. Oh, the arrow. Well, okay. I think the arrow is not the like crazy. Okay. Well, that one's two grand. So there's that. Man.

Could it possibly be worth double a valve index uh yeah valve index is kind of old at this point i guess that's i guess that's fair especially in a market that's like so cutting edge yeah yeah i guess that's i guess that's fair it's just It's easy to forget 200 hertz. Oh, no, that's the eye tracking. I guess it's easy to forget that there's a ton of other VR headset companies out there. They just are almost all focused on commercial products because that's where the money is. Someone tagged me saying EEG. It's not an EEG, though. They're not like wiring you up.

I seriously doubt that a company is going to trust end users to wire themselves up with an EEG though. They're not like wiring you up. I don't, I seriously doubt that a company is going to trust end users to wire themselves up with an EEG properly. Um, like that's, I, I, I've never seen this product. I didn't pay enough attention when you were showing it on screen to look for how they did it. I can pretty much guarantee you they didn't do it that way. Um, so it's, yeah, I don't know. Um, again, if it's way better, that's fantastic. I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just saying the ones that I have used were like far from ready for that type of application, but, or they're far from ready to rely on. Yeah. We've had a lot of people interested in the backpack and screwdriver. So shout out to to that a couple of you last questions relating uh to specifics do you know if the screwdriver uh will take little heads from other brands

uh yes but you'll need an adapter i believe the i fix it kit comes with an adapter for their small bits to uh what is it a quarter inch hex drive i think is the like the standard one and yes there would be there would be absolutely no reason for that to not work. We just passed 21,000 subscribers on Flowplane. Oh, nice. Let's go. We also have almost 15,000 people watching on YouTube.

This is the best viewed WAN show in quite some time. Thanks, guys. Thanks for tuning in, everyone. Hit us. Another question relating to the backpack. Is there any sort of weather resistance? It does have weather resistant zippers, and

we have had the fabric tested by an independent third party. You're not going to be able to dunk it underwater. It's not designed for that, but if you had a 20-minute commute on your bike, like it's not designed for that but if you were you know if you had a 20 minute commute you know on your bike and it's oh no it started raining you'll you'll be fine

so i just want to jump in really quick some people are talking about the uh eeg thing uh yes it is it is facial some people have confirmed that it is facial. And I bet you because it's facial, there's going to be huge amounts of interference from you moving your face. And if you ever want to be in an application where you'd have like a voice call, you talking is probably going to introduce lots of problems. Now, if they can prove me wrong, like I said earlier, that's awesome. I don't want to be right about this. It sounds like it could be really cool. I just have never seen one that's anywhere near ready for a, to be relied on in this type of situation. And I doubt that it is ready, but if it is, that's great. I would, I would love to be wrong. That explains a ton. I mean, obviously at that price, it would come with a free facial.

I mean, obviously at that price, it would come with a free facial. Next. No, we got to let him sit in that for a second. Nick Light asks, what's that nice lanyard beside your water bottle? Oh, yes. We finally launched the lanyard that I've been wearing for like the last... It's upside down. Oh. We finally launched the lanyard that I've been wearing for like the last six months.

It's the Wanyard. Anthony named it. Anthony named it. It's his fault. It's a pretty cute name. It's our standard black lanyard. It's a little bit longer than the old ones We actually did get some feedback

That for people who wear them around their neck It was just a touch short So it's a touch longer We haven't Officially revved it Or anything like that But I think it's like an inch longer on each side Or something like that

So it's got orange What would it be like embroidery, whatever it is, orange stitching for the Linus Tech Tips. And then it's, it's a, it's a black lanyard. So yeah, like I said, that's the one, that's the one I've been using. Love it. Definitely has a nice little pop to it. And then we also have a deal to announce.

a nice little pop to it and then we also have a deal to announce this week we are going to be running the uh offer code where is it i can't find it summer sweat discount we uh i know it's june but we are overstocked on sweat kits so because we are also a little bit overstocked on um beanies right now if you pick up a swacket and a beanie you will get a 20 discount code automatically applied to your order really great feedback on the swacket it's exactly the same garment that has four and a half stars from all the other folks who have bought it over the years. Yeah, there you go. So you guys can check that out. I don't believe you have to do anything special. Let me just check. Yeah, if you add a Swacket and a beanie, the discount will apply automatically so you guys can go check that out at lttstore.com all right what's our next topic you really want to talk about tim horton's tracking people don't

you not really to be honest oh i just thought it was funny what do you want to do then basically everyone's tracking everyone don't trust anything with your data ever and if you install an app it there's a very high chance that it's like doing bad things do you prefer the military secrets uh war thunder thing okay i don't know what's going on here but i read that title it's very funny okay apparently i i knew this happened and i'm pretty sure we talked about on wanshow like in the old set i think think that's the right timeframe for it. This is the dumbest shiz, man. But apparently another classified document has shown up on the War Thunder forums

in order to quell an argument, making this apparently the third time in a year on the exact same forums that this has happened. A classified military document. This time, apparently a Chinese tank crew member leaked classified information about a tank shell including a part of the shell itself oh man um the tank shell in question is the type dtc 10 125 millimeter armor piercing fin stabilized discarding sabo uh Sabo round used in the Type 96. And Type 99 series main battle tanks.

The document indicates. The velocity precision. Penetration rate. Physical structure. The penetrator. Primer type. Physical structure of the penetrator. Oh yeah.

Primer type. And handling instructions. Oh man. I mean, can you imagine? Can you imagine violating a government military NDA to settle an argument on a forum? This tank is way better than you think. It needs a forum. This tank is way better than you think. It needs a buff.

I want to drive the tank that I drive in real life digitally, and it needs to be just as good. Yeah. Yeah. So epic. Oh, man. I just...

I can't even. And the fact that this is happening on a regular basis. I mean, like, okay, this is our discussion. This is our discussion topic here. While the idea that people will leak national security information that could get themselves potentially killed, right? Because if you have access to this information,

presumably it's like your gear right that could get themselves killed in order to win an argument well that's hilarious the end result is that these crew members if they are crew members they might not be crew members they might be designers we don't know are har themselves. Or working like logistics or something weird. Anthony says, as one U2 ride watch who plays DCS, Growling Sidewinder puts it, Wikipedia data is wrong on purpose.

No country is going to give out the real specs for their stuff because then potential adversaries will know how to defend against it. If a guy leaks data because they don't like how the game simulates their hardware, guess what? You then need to scrap it and start over from scratch. Like, war is bad. Yes, I am across the board against violence from one human being to another human being.

Yeah, okay. But if a belligerent nation knows how to bypass another's defenses, then they could be emboldened to act. And then everyone is going to have a bad time because war is bad. There are knock-on effects from any conflicts that are going to, no matter how far away you are are going to affect you i mean there's all the grain that's rotting in ukraine right now for example that's terrible people who had nothing to do with this conflict are going to die like a huge amount of the world's calories come from there there will be people that starve because of this and and like it's not just gonna stop like if there's a if there's a truce signed or whatever it's it's not like they have to plant and then

grow the dumbest part of all of this is that gaijin war thunders developer in the past has already demonstrated that they refuse to use this leaked information in the game because they don't want to incentivize people to leak classified military documents because that's actually a bad thing. That makes sense. So why don't we talk about the other two incidents. In July 2021, a player was arguing about the British Challenger 2 main battle tank.

To settle the disagreement, they posted basically the tank's operating manual, an action that quickly got the UK Ministry of Defense involved. Then three months later, a French player claiming to be a crew member in a Leclerc Siri 2 tank, in service since 1992, again got into an argument about the capabilities of their tank, my tank, your tank, and again posted part of the tank's operation manual. Come on, guys! tank my tank your tank and again posted part of the tank's operation manual come on guys wow the the the round that you were talking about before is apparently a next gen round

this isn't even old tech yeah that's crazy all right what else we want to talk about today actually why don't you hit us with a couple more merch messages all right from joshua we talk a lot about our favorite tech but what's one of the worst tech products you've ever bought i feel like we had this question like last week yeah i feel like we did i'm not real stoked on my smart switches right now but that that could not be entirely jasco's fault we'll we'll work on that we're gonna work on that i feel like i've dodged a lot of bullets um like uh what was that oh man what was that android console oh yeah oh yeah yeah like there's been a lot of stuff like i i enjoy we've talked about this with the with the steam deck right sure i enjoy being really really early with new stuff sure um so you'd think by doing that that i would have been caught by a bunch of stuff that was like very below expectations but it hasn't been that bad because i think i've

seen a lot of them coming i've definitely bought some dumb stuff but it would have mostly been on purpose like the spud the spontaneous pop-up display that little like folding projector second you should look it up spud monitor uh or like jibo okay i bought a jibo for 800 dollars or whatever that was going to be no i thought it was going to be terrible i i literally spent money to make money i invested in a jibo i am the one jibo investor who made out like a bandit on jibo okay this is interesting yeah i would have thought this would have been bad here i'll get on your screen it's sold out well yeah it's sold out because they don't make anymore they don't make them apparently they're coming back with a sequel or something really i don't know someone mentioned it to me in the writers meeting and i was kind of

going really you guys again i guess i don't think someone asked for a hammer update i don't know someone mentioned it to me in the writers meeting and i was kind of going really you guys again i guess i don't think someone asked for a hammer update i don't think you can count the hammer yeah because you never actually got it yeah that's fair enough all right hit me from tommy what does an ltt script look like is it like a script for tv or movie you show one yeah sure i'll show one sure why not should i show one for one that hasn't come out yet no no really no you don't want it to be spicy no all right upload it on flow plane as text uh don't show it on wayne's show okay let me uh we got a we got a 13 million dollar building to pay for okay here's one all right so uh hold on let me just make sure linus's screen is like mostly sanitized oh boy uh yeah linus's screen should be pretty good now all right here we go

so here's the oh crap i don't know i don't have word on here so i guess oh the juice machine the juice press thing yeah but i don't think yeah neither of us bought that because it was like obviously obviously stupid yeah no offense if you bought one yeah okay this is this is what it looks like uh everyone please ensure that the video title is the same for the folder name script name trello card and calendar entry for the editors the primer project file sequence exported video file etc you're supposed to put the author, but I wrote this one, so I didn't bother because the rules don't apply to me. Apparently, I'm just really, I'm really sloppy about these because people will cover for me. Thank you, everyone. I love my team. We have a floatplane title, which is usually pretty plain Jane, because that's what floatplane likes. And then we'll we have some YouTube title ideas. Typically, we'll have anywhere between two or three,

all the way up to 10 to 15 potential title ideas. Sometimes it's a lot harder to come up with a title. We also put a slogan in here still. We don't always roll an intro anymore. But if we do, we have it here. I don't think we rolled an intro on this one, but that's a really funny slogan. I'm inside Intel.

Get it? All right. That's pretty good. Thumbnail ideas. Product links are expected to be here so that when it comes time to actually post the video, we can have all the applicable product links. We're supposed to write up a little description

like Linus goes full Monty. Wait, no, that's not it uh anyway uh linus gets behind the scenes of intel you know whatever throw some keywords in there that kind of thing people are roasting the formatting asking if it's normally centered i don't believe it's normally centered why would it be centered and i don't think you need fancy formatting for this to be honest yeah this is all this is all just reference material that would be duplicated on Trello anyway. There's some reference stuff here just in case people need links to, hey, if you're screen recording, make sure you check out the document for how to do that.

We have the video Bible. This is really important. Every video should have a hook that grabs people's attention. You should address the title and thumbnail in the first 10 to 20 seconds. A naturally embedded relevant merch callout. We've definitely let the relevant part lapse a little bit maybe we could work on that a bit an affiliate link call out we've actually replaced this with a call out for floatplane quite recently so that's part of why floatplane subscriber numbers are going up right now for sure yeah an upcoming video

that should compel people to subscribe we've done away with this one because our new subscriber rate is atrocious anyway so why bother we'll just focus on making sure we're getting served in suggested videos because that's where most of our viewership comes from anyway. A throw to a compelling related video the viewer might want to watch. We do that at the end just to try and retain people. Like say, hey, if you enjoyed this, maybe you'll also enjoy that. A primo gif-able moment uh we see gifs of you know me and uh the rest of the team here as a really great uh as a really great marketing exercise you know just just more exposure uh for us so we you know we always try and we always try and put fun little fun little gifable moments into the videos gifable deal with it um this is a shot that i forgot to get where is it yeah ots of someone

blocking linus partially and linus eyes closed waving hand away like no no no indicating refusing a check we forgot to get this uh we did get this one this was just like me making little notes this isn't normally in the template any props we need it's nice to get that uh i had the intro that was shot the previous day when I thought it was going to be sponsored. So I have, hey, make sure you use that. And it's supposed to say Intel sponsored this video, cut it off hard here. Because that was supposed to have the sponsorship disclosure in it. But we didn't end up having it be sponsored because I wanted to make sure that I could just say whatever I needed to say without them being able to push back on it.

Intel tends to be very sensitive about things like their internal processes and engineering facilities. So I feel like if it had been sponsored the way it was supposed to, like a fully sponsored video, they would have expected to dictate a lot more of the content. And I just saw that place and I was like, nah, dog. We may never look at this again. It needs to be everything.

Alright, so then this is what the script looks like. Since I'll sponsor this vid, cut it off hard here. At least they tried. I've never done this before but shortly after I arrived at Intel's Israel Design Center I ripped up the previously agreed upon sponsorship check. So here you're basically seeing what is

in the video. These marks here tend to be for if I'm moving locations. So 2-4 is going to be in the validation lab. You can see 3-1. So this is like a completely different segment. 3-2 is where we kind of move to a different part of that room. At the end, you'll see any you know, any sponsor spots or anything like that. We've actually recently started shooting those separately and then just chopping them into

the video again. So you won't see those anymore. The thing you're missing, and this could be partly because it's a script by me and I tend not to write guidance sometimes because I'm busy. It could also be because I opened it in WordPad rather than in Word, but we often have annotations in the right margin that will highlight. So they're comments, right? So you highlight the text that you want covered, and then you'll annotate a graph that's supposed to have coverage there or a B-roll shot or like text that you want to appear on screen. Or if you want a simple animation done, then that'll be on the side. And that's what they look like.

I'm not sure how that compares to whatever your expectations were, but for better or for worse, that's it. Very nice. From Edward, what's been the most surprising part of the growth of LMG over the last couple years? How much it costs? I don't know. Speed.

Probably Creator Warehouse. It's pretty fast. physical goods business. And there still are challenges. Like it's not nearly as profitable as it kind of like seems to be, you know, you look at the gross margin on, on a product and it might be like, Oh yeah, you know, you're making,

uh, of that $10, $5 is, is profit. But actually by the time you account for handling fees and packing materials and, uh, transaction,

uh, overhead and you account for the, handling fees and packing materials and transaction overhead and you account for the people who had to work on that product and all of that stuff. Prices could be a little higher. That sort of thing. From Dean,

I have a question for Luke. You said a week or two ago that you may not get the Steam Deck when your email comes. Is there a different handheld you would consider or using SteamOS instead of Windows? Not really, to be completely honest. The SteamOS versus Windows thing doesn't really matter to me. I don't mind.

Like from doing the Linux challenge, I don't think I mind Linux in that situation. No problem with it there yeah um and steam os is it's linux but it's like smoother it's yeah i've heard good things about it so that's that that part doesn't really matter to me much um and i was mostly interested because i i mostly wanted one because i really respected their approach to right to repair what they're planning on doing with I fix it, which has started coming to fruition, which is really cool. And I wanted to see kind of how this thing grew. But now by the time I get it, it's going to be like old. So I yeah, I'm still not necessarily I don't know, I haven't fully

decided but I probably won't end up actually buying it.'ll take yours yeah i'm sure you'll be able to find a taker for it yeah yeah exactly yeah i'll probably just offload it oh man well this is annoying google is apparently killing location-based reminders in the assistant man i i have had i have had a very frustrating week with google assistant can i show you something really stupid can i show you something stupid right now yeah okay this is my google news feed oh no sorry hold on a second so i set i set reminders to set alarms because i don't trust the reminders to actually get my attention oh yeah no reminders are horrible yeah yeah they're they're they're useless i i always remind myself with alarms but that's completely that's completely separate okay so this is my google news feed how would you categorize

uh these these topics as we go through tech tech uh movie film whatever tech uh business tech business government something like that tech tech it's mostly tech okay yeah all right tech it's mostly tech okay yeah all right because i own linus media group i have gotten in the habit of using my linus media group email account as my primary google account this is a paid account it's called a g suite account used to be called google apps now it's called g suite that's not the point the point is that i am a paying ass customer for my gmail so you should get less features than free customers hold on for my gmail my google drive basically any other service that i use one nice feature is what did you not see in

here uh it starts with a and ends with does advertisements okay no ads right which is okay that's fairly nice also i would expect it given that i pay actually a significant amount of money to google now that we are up to like whatever we up to 70 people plus floatplane like okay so the problem the floatplane bill is cheaper because we don't have as much drive space as you guys my drive is 98 full on my full plane email the problem is that google has time and time again treated g suite users as second class oh yeah absolutely there was a period of over a year where reminders, aside from being garbage, and there not being an easy way to set a decently long ringtone for them,

there was a period of over a year where reminders didn't work. You literally got an error that was like, yeah, reminders are not available for G Suite users. Why? Why? Take that code and put it there. Well, no, but. But do it. Yeah. no, but. But do it. Yeah.

No, but yes. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Now, let me show you something. Open the front right garage door. Oh, I saw this. Okay.

So, no, this is not. No no no no my tweet last night about open the right front garage door and it opening like the back garage door no no that's separate from this that's just oh that's just natural language processing being still amazingly crappy no no this is this is separate okay so here hold. Open the front right garage door. Sorry, I don't understand. Okay. Because. Yeah, why?

Like, that seems like that should be something that it should get. I don't, I don't, yeah. For Google, for home, which is a separate app. Okay. So I got my home app, right? This is where you add your devices and stuff, right? Okay, so you can add your thermostats and your speakers and your garage doors, all your smart home crap.

Okay, if I try to invite a home member, let's say, for example, that I was to try to invite Luke, okay? Okay, so I'm gonna, no, no, you're not gonna need that. Okay, so I'm going to... No, no, you're not going to need that. Okay. Because I'm going to go through, I'm going to invite you.

Can't send the invitation at the moment. Try again, try again, try again, try again. Why? Because you're a G Suite user. Oh, no way. You may not... Oh, oh, oh oh the best part was that I was I was as a G Suite user

I was the owner of the home but I couldn't invite G Suite users or non G Suite users because I was a G Suite user I had to change so that a non G Suite user owned it and then I couldn't invite G Suite users at all so I'm allowed to own it

as a G Suite user but I am not allowed to invite G Suite. And then if I am a regular at gmail.com user, I still cannot invite G Suite users to this home. But the error message is not meaningful. It just says, sorry, couldn't do it. Try again. Okay. Now this gets really frustrating. Now that I go into the home app and I sign into... I will admit I hate useless error messages. I will admit Flowplane has a few. I would also argue that our team size is a little bit smaller than Google. Okay, so I've switched over to my proper home one. Oh, are you kidding me?

Okay, there we go. I switched over because because when it comes to different google uh apps on your phone right so there's like your news feed and there's then there's home and there's the assistant or whatever they all sync there's like your your like primary google account right so watch this open the front right garage door. Sure. Opening the front right garage door. Okay. Because now I'm logged into my proper home one.

Yeah. Okay. But now I go to my news feed. Okay. I'd like you to categorize these things for me. Business stuff. Business stuff. Government stuff.

Whatever. Medical stuff. Business stuff add let's do you see any tech in here very little okay and here's where it gets even worse bell do you know how to adjust the focus on that okay this is some next level dumb crap. This is Google being bad at their one job, okay? I'd like to fix this. Obviously, the best way would be if I could just import my work profile because now I'm stuck with this one if I want any of my smart home stuff to work, right?

Right. Because I'm not gonna go up in the corner- Can you switch which account uses which thing? No. No. No, once you change it for one, it changes it for all of them. Thank you very much, Google.

All right. Here's where it gets way dumber. Okay, here we go. Ready? Okay, can you guys hear me? I have no idea. So I go into my channels and interests, okay? So I'm going to be like, hey, I like tech.

Okay? Following. interests, okay, so I'm going to be like, hey, I like tech, okay, following, this is all literally just random songs and, and artists from my YouTube music, if I block them, I have gone through and painstakingly blocked them all before. Okay, let's go back. They just come back. Okay, it's just full of random music again. They are not in Not Interested. Okay, I haven't hidden anything apparently. And there is no button anywhere to add interests.

I thought your whole thing, I thought your whole thing, I thought your whole thing is that you're supposed to want to know everything. I'm willfully, I'm willingly telling you, I would like to give you my personal information so that you may better tailor content to me and you will not do it. So I can't pay my way out of this problem i can't manually input data my way out of this problem and it's not like this is obviously

this is obviously not a life or death problem it's just stupid yeah i this is a very minor problem compared to that but i i have YouTube premium the front right garage door Yeah, it's a good idea Thanks Google I uh, so I have YouTube premium on my like personal account But I I tried to do the whole and I like it this way much more I'm thinking of migrating to Firefox again trying that out, but I like it this way much more where I have profiles So I have different browser windows. Yeah yeah depending on what the thing is sure um and it's great so i have my floatplane when it's all colored blue so i know when i'm in my correct work browser and all

that kind of stuff um but i don't have youtube premium on every google account that i use because that would be insane i have it on my work one yeah and now what i'm gonna buy it again like no that's crazy so and like usually if i'm in my work when i'm probably on floatplane right so it doesn't matter there's no ads but i if i do have to open a youtube link for some reason and it opens up on my work one then there's ads everywhere and i'm like oh okay i have to copy this out open close on this one open on this other one watch it there get rid of that browser when I'm done because now none of my work stuff is here. Jump back over to this one. It's just annoying.

If I have one account logged in on my phone that has YouTube Premium. It should count. Count it. Yeah. Like I'm not going to buy separate YouTube Premium. I have like 12 Google accounts logged in on my phone because of all the YouTube channels and all that stuff right like it come on stop treating g suite users like second class citizens so now my feed is full of ads full of not tech and if i want any of my home stuff to work then and if i want my youtube

premium to work i just have to be constantly switching what profile i'm on it's just really it's just stupid oh escapement dog says also g suite stopped supporting google where to yeah it doesn't surprise me it was just one thing after another after another like all these years i forget all the times that i've been really annoyed trying to use a g suite account as my daily driver account i had a problem for a super long time where i couldn't change my profile picture and i was like and it would just say like there was an error with this photo or whatever but i would try like a billion different photos and it would never work and i was just like well i guess my account's just like broken because the error was like super weird it had nothing to do with like permissions or account levels or whatever. It was just, there was a problem with this image. So I was like, Oh, okay, whatever. And then eventually,

I figured out that someone else on the team couldn't change their profile picture either. And I was like, what? That's got to be a setting. So I dove way through the settings. And by default, it has it off. Like, why? Why would this be off at any time? So I just turned it on and then it worked fine. But like, it doesn't tell, you were talking about the error being weird. It didn't tell me. Yeah, no. Why don't you just say that then? Yeah. Maybe because when they say that, it generates a bunch of

complaints that the feature doesn't work. Because it should be on by the phone. Oh, so frustrating. So stupid. Anyways, we have tons of topics this week. Yeah. Well, Jake's got to hit us with a couple more merch messages first.

All right. All right. From Matthew. In your opinion with... Oh, we're getting a ton of merch messages here. Just a second. Back to being Matthew. In your opinion, with performance per generation

leapfrogging and larger power draws coming, are we looking at performance plateaus with an increased focus on efficiency and usability or ever-increasing performance peaks? I think it's cyclical at this point. I mean, we've seen this in the past when architecturally they can't find a way to get a leg up on the competition. They'll push the power envelope. And obviously, it's better for the silicon to run

cooler fewer warranty issues uh whenever they can they'll try to run it as efficiently as possible so i think we're just seeing whatever we're seeing an ebb or a flow whatever whichever one is which right now yeah can you share the hilarious moment i would love to um uh calinan is uh is helping us out with some sanding for like a paint project that we're working on says thanks for closing the door on me wait so it was already open i'm assuming oh man oh anthony is complaining about g suite g suite also doesn't let you import data you can export everything from a google account but good luck doing literally anything with it that's funny that's pretty good i didn't know that come on

and like i could spend the next six months using my google news feed again because when i first started using it was crap it was full of like kim kardashian and the royals and just like all that absolute garbage that i couldn't possibly care less about uh he says no it's not a problem just weirded me out okay good um mine gets randomly obsessed with things i was like i am gonna invest in this i'm gonna give this a chance because other people tell me it's really good so i i did i stuck it out and took months and it's like really good now like it's like you you saw it's just full of tech yeah basically mine's pretty good but every once in a while it'll latch on to something really weird and even if i never

click on it it'll just keep coming up keep coming up keeping up and then it'll randomly disappear i googled what the hell bts was once and oh no oh man it was just full of like whatever jimin was wearing yesterday for a while yeah yeah yeah i like i don't i don't like you know honestly it seems like they do a lot of great stuff but i don't care what jimin's wearing no yeah yeah i i don't watch very many tv but I don't care what Jimin's wearing. No. Yeah. Yeah. I don't watch very many TV shows. I don't watch very many movies.

Yeah. And I am not interested in actors or actresses pretty much at all. And randomly, I'll get like this person that I've very likely never heard of. And like every three articles will be about like some shirt they were wearing or something. Yeah. And I'm like, holy crap. I have never clicked on one of these and I don't care. And then like it'll keep happening for like three or four days and then it'll disappear and never come back again.

Yeah. Like why did it think that was a thing? One of the really frustrating ones for me is one of your only interactions is not interested. Yeah. Right. You can't say I want more of this. not interested yeah right you can't say i want more of this but the problem is that if you have literally already read it and it shows up you can't say like i've had ones that show up over and over and over again you can't say it's less lately but you can't say the thing that is the

problem with this is that i already read it because that would be a really great signal like i read this and enjoyed it or something like that yes yes i did engage with this is that I already read it because that would be a really great signal like I read this and enjoyed it or something like that yes yes I did engage with this I actually do like this but I do not wish to click on it right now yeah I really I think they didn't they used to have like a thumbs up like more of this I thought so yeah I thought because I remember tuning mine back in the day with like I like this I don't that. It's frustrating when economics take a front seat compared to the user experience. I've talked about this on WAN Show before,

but one of my favorite features on Amazon back in the day was customers who viewed this ended up buying these things. And clearly that was interfering with their ability to put sponsored product showcases under them and it went away and i was so angry because it saved me so much time i could just find approximately the thing that i was kind of looking for and someone else would have already done the work of digging through the trash heap that is amazon's interface and finding the like handful of good ones so that I could pick the one that best suits my needs. It's so infuriating. Yeah. I do like, by the way,

on Google News that you can block entire domains. Oh, I did not know that. That's actually sweet. I'll go to a site and just get like destroyed by ads and I'll just back out and be like, never again. Oh, I should start doing that with like the paywall ones. Yes. it's at the point now where a quarter of the articles in mine are paywalls I don't get any paywall stuff because I've blocked them all got it that makes sense that's sweet from John would you ever consider producing written content or written versions of our videos I often find myself looking for more articles on a product or topic rather than a video. Someone linked me an old WAN show where you and me, I guess, technically, but we were figuring out what we wanted to do with the forum. Yeah. And you were talking about how we were going to use vBulletin.

And one of the main reasons why you wanted vBulletin was because it had this like powerful CMS behind it. And you could put written companions up with videos. So, yeah, it's been considered what's this this is it this is the time Ed redesigned the homepage of the Linus Tech Tips forum to

hold on where's the here we go okay so this is the mock-up of what linus tech tips.com would have looked like before dark mode was the default for the universe yeah uh so linus tech tips forums members gallery this was just a lot of placeholders um we'd have you know headlines news items sorry i think we still use that banner uh yes i think we do uh there's you know your link to wanshow gotta love that ancient wanshow logo heck yeah i have no idea this is obviously just crap that ed put in here uh Let's have a look at some more things. If you guys are interested in this, here's what an article preview would look like. I think article Twitter preview, it says, I don't know what that means. We had this cool idea where we would have community submissions

for news articles, kind of like just the news section on the forum. And there'd be a tip jar for the author. I thought that was kind of a cool idea um just to encourage people to to to like post more and summarize add their own thoughts people who were really prolific and really good at it could potentially like actually do pretty decent uh this was i think this might have been an earlier or later version of the homepage. Look at that old YouTube logo. Love it. Look at this date.

Oh, man. This might be an earlier one. This might be an earlier one. What am I looking at here? Woo! Spicy. Top build logs. Remember when we used to feature build logs from the build log section of the forum? yeah that was awesome i actually kind of missed that here's the compact no this one's this one's nothing linus's mock-up oh okay apparently i did this the headlines chosen by the community

for the community i don't think i've ever shown this before never saw the light of day buy from our affiliates i saw these tips in the jar no no yeah to you yeah but yeah features plotfully as fast as possible uh top build logs decaying mechanism and based on likes oh yeah interesting yeah kind of kind of cool idea kind of cool idea uh yeah neat huh well now you saw a little piece of a little piece of LTT history hope you enjoyed it

from Grant will Linus be on they're just movies again also what made you start the series I don't know if they invite me and I have time I'd be happy to do it as for what made me start it James Riley and David would always spend their work time talking about movies and they had the idea of starting a

podcast and I was like well I guess it was on it was during their carpool they would spend a lot of time talking about them and then it would bleed over into work time and I'd hear them talking about it and they were like hey we want to do like a movie podcast and I was like oh cool let's uh try and support that and so we did and so now we have the they're just movies podcast because they thought carpool critics was not as good of a name yeah no comment they definitely did i have no comment on the i have no comment on the quality of they're just movies instead of carpool carpool critics movie podcast uh we have a um oh boy where'd it go i think i lost the comment uh but it was a question about the newsletter if we're going to do another newsletter again another newsletter what kind of newsletter i'm assuming they're

talking about the ltt store because i wasn't sure either. Oh, yes. They're supposed to do them like every week or every other week. So they've just been swamped, right? Like they just moved. They've got a lot of projects to ship, you know, backpacks, screwdrivers, lots of other things that we've got going on behind the scenes. Just, yeah, it just takes time. So I am also not commenting, but Floatplane Chat is, I think, unanimously saying that Carpool Critics is better.

I have no comment on Floatplane Chat's comment. Yeah. Nope. Interesting, me neither. Nope. Moving on. If you like Carpool Critics better, go like their latest video

so we know that you like the old name. That's some big brain stuff. Oh, man. So is this question from Anonymous. What do you think about the upcoming Google Pixel Watch that's coming out? Frankly, I have spent exactly zero of my precious brain cycles on the Google Pixel Watch because I have no hope for it whatsoever. And that might be me just being closed-minded, but this is not the first time Google has said, no, for real, it's different this time. I will believe it when I see it.

When it is on my wrist and it's amazing, I will be amazed. Otherwise, I just, I'm just, I'm not, I'm not going to become emotionally invested in this thing. I'm sorry, I just can't do it. What's this? This is a Withings... Ah, crap. What's it called again?

Smart something. Can't remember. It's a Withings watch. Full disclosure, the reason I have it is that they did a sponsorship, but turning off my sponsored hat because they sure as heck didn't sponsor this, I'm enjoying it so far. It's got kind of everything you need. It looks very traditional.

Yeah, nothing you don't. Oh, so it's just a little screen there. Yeah, SpO2 and ECG monitoring. It does log workouts and steps and stuff like that. But I was at the point where I just was finding my smartwatch so useless that I basically just used it to tell the time anyway. And this does that great and it lasts for almost a month

on battery and that part I'm assuming will last even longer than that the time no because it appears to be very digitally controlled gotcha if the electronics die inside I'm pretty sure the arms stop arming okay yeah because you can set the time in the app and it'll be like

oh oh wow yeah okay got it that's it for merch messages but you do have a couple little unboxings i don't know if you want to go through oh no let's talk about some more topics i wanted to talk about um new york state actually passed a couple of really interesting bills uh first up is the fair repair act where which stipulates that all manufacturers who sell digital electronic products within state borders must make tools parts and instructions for repair available to both consumers and independent shops heck Exceptions are made for home appliances. Why?

Medical devices. Okay. And this last one. And agriculture equipment. Don't like that. Don't like that at all. That's got to be some John Deere lobbying right there. Yes, that's exactly it.

The medical devices one. I don't know. Oh, that one. I don't know. Oh, that one. I don't know enough things that would fall in that category. There's a lot of liability there. Yeah. There's, I mean, honestly, though, you talk to people in the medical field, they're extremely frustrated that medicine costs so much because of things like

really restrictive contracts for the repair and upkeep of these devices. But there's also a lot of liability. It depends what it is. And, like, if you take the liability away from the company, if you do self-repair, I think that's a thing that you should be able to decide on your own, right? But, like, home appliances, like, come on, dude. Yeah. Jeez.

I'm happy we're making progress, right? That's always a good thing. But like these exceptions are dumb. Agreed. What else we got here? So the past legislature is awaiting signature from the governor. They are expected to sign. And this comes after Biden issued an executive order calling on the FTC to enforce freaking repair rights.

All right. So that's something good. iFixit said it expects this to take effect by 2023. Freaking awesome. In other news, New York passes a bill to limit Bitcoin mining. It targets a specific form of crypto mining that uses the highly energy-intensive proof-of-work authentication method. This includes several popular digital currencies, including Bitcoin. If signed into law, this legislation will place a two-year ban on new permits being issued or existing permits being renewed

to conduct proof-of-work authenticated cryptocurrency mining that relies on electricity generated from carbon-based fuels. So this is part of New York's climate goals that require the state's greenhouse gas emissions to be reduced by 85% by 2050 under the Climate Leadership and Community Protection Act. So if you found a way to work outside of carbon-based fuels, you could still do it. Yeah.

Cool. In other news, Elon Musk wants to cut 10% of Tesla jobs, but apparently the hourly headcount will increase, and this is mostly focused on salary employees. So that's another way of saying that you feel like you're a little top heavy in terms or middle heavy in terms of management. Tesla shares fell 9% after the report. But honestly, man, I wouldn't read too much into that.

I'm out of my investments. I have no current investments. But I do just like maintain. I just like look at particular like tech. I've got Intel, AMD, NVIDIA in here. And it goes from huge green to big red. Day to day to day to day to day to day right now. 9% is a lot.

9% is a lot, but okay. It has been a time of turmoil. Coinbase is down 9% today too. And yesterday, I think they were up. Bitcoin has been getting, or not Bitcoin, coins in general have been getting kind of slaughtered over the last little bit. I mean, here's five days.

So they'll go a day when they're up 10%. They'll go a day when they're down. They'll go a day when they're up. You got a couple of people calling you out for Framework. That's not a publicly traded company, right? Yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry. I meant stocks. Stocks.

Yes, I still do. I still do hold my investment in Framework. Okay, AMC is a meme stock, so let's not use that one. I think AMD... You still have stock in Framework, right? Yes. You're talking tradable stocks. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Or I don't know what they're called. Yes, I still... Technically, they are stocks. Yes. I have the 280, 230. I don't remember. I don't remember how much because honestly, guys. Wasn't the point.

I wrote the check and I hope that they succeed. That's it. That's all I can really do. but they succeed. That's it. That's all I can really do. I mean, I'd like to think that you guys have not noticed a difference in my treatment of Framework

or other laptop manufacturers ever since the investment. I have actually had very little to do with our laptop content, but when I have had anything to do with it, I would hope you guys have seen no difference. If anything, my goal is to treat them like the coach's son,

be harder on them as opposed to being any easier on them. Had that experience. I actually enjoyed that. Being the coach's son? Yeah. My dad was a coach on like basically every sports team I was on. That's pretty cool. And he was actually awesome.

And no one ever, no one on the team, like maybe the first day, they'd be like, oh, coach's son, whatever. And then after it was like like maybe the first day they'd be like oh coach his son whatever and then after it was like a couple weeks in they'd be like oh man i'm sorry bro which i preferred instead of everyone thinking i was getting special treatment um yeah it was great i really enjoyed my dad coaching samsung's apparently getting out of the lcd market Isn't that crazy? That is wacky. LCDs are just... No, forget it.

We don't need LCDs anymore. As early as June, Samsung Display will stop producing LCD panels. They used to be the world's leading LCD panel manufacturer, but their market share has dropped to just 2% due to Chinese and Taiwanese competition. The Display Supply Chain Consultants, or DSCC, say the average price index of LCD panels

will drop to 36.6 out of 100 down from 41.5 in April. So expect LCDs to get cheaper. And to be clear, they're not leaving the display market. No. They're just kind of moving on more than anything. They will now focus heavily on OLED and Quantum Dot,

with most of their employees moving over to Quantum Dot. There's no official statement from Samsung yet. Our discussion question is, at what point do LCDs go the way of CRT? Never? Oh, I mean, they will eventually. I think... There's better techs out there now.

I think it'll be different. Because CRTs have this like cult following in existence bulky well they're super bulky but they have this cult following in existence because they have certain things that they're particularly really good at and i think that the technologies that are replacing lcd are going to replace them in a way that you there's there's no real draw to go back to lcd where there is a draw to go back to LCD, where there is a draw to go back to CRT. So I think LCD's death will be a little bit more permanent. Oh, I think that's fair.

What would it take for you to use Windows on ARM? Microsoft just unveiled their mini, an ARM desktop called Project Volterra. It was at this year's Build 2022 conference. This was actually from last week, but we didn't get to it, and I wanted to talk about it. It looks kind of like a headless Surface Studio. Here, let's pull up my screen here.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let's find the point in the video where they show it. It was developed in partnership with Qualcomm. So it's going to be using Snapdragon Silicon, which up until now has proven to be basically a big part of the reason that Windows on ARM is not very successful. Where are the bloody...

I just wouldn't, dude. At this point, I'm honestly like kind of barely holding on to using Windows at all. Like the Linux challenge like really revealed to me that like it's not there but it's not that far you know and like taking a worse version of windows is not really an option right now um yeah it's everything you hate about windows with everything that you hate about windows yeah got it yep yeah i'm not even remotely interested that's pretty much it all right that's fair enough and i think that's pretty much it for the show thank you guys so much for tuning in if you made it this far hey don't forget we just launched the lanyard

black and orange version of the lanyard and we have our summer sweat promotion running right now it's buy a swacket and a beanie together just add them to your cart and you get 20 bucks off and you will be ready for the fall in june otherwise we'll still have Swackets in the fall probably so it should be fine won't be as cheap though see you next week same bad time same bad channel

bye Thanks for watching!