The WAN Show - The Reviewer Got Reviewed - WAN Show September 9, 2022

Episode Date: September 13, 2022

Get Exclusive NordSecurity deals here ➼ https://nordsecurity.com/wan All products are risk-free with Nord's 30-day money-back guarantee! Make compliance easy with Kolide at: https://www.kolide.com/WAN Timestamps: (Courtesy of NoKi1119 - Note: Timestamps may be off due to change in sponsors) 0:00 Chapters 1:16 Intro 1:45 Topic #1 - LTTStore screwdriver reviews 5:06 Fear of mass cancellation, Project Farm's review 11:56 Todd's chart, Linus's impressions 17:30 Jeff Geerling's review, reasons behind compromises 21:08 Highlighted comment, what Todd & Jeff missed 24:48 Inconsistencies with LTT screwdrivers 26:14 Topic #2 - HALO Infinite cancels split-screen CO-OP 27:55 Glitch to force CO-OP, discussing 343i's roadmap 30:54 Linus asks Luke about implementing reporting feature 35:26 Software engineering in games IS art 40:04 Thoughts on game assets 41:22 DO NOT send Superchats, buy merch and send 43:12 Sponsors 48:01 Topic #3 - Google issues with Chromecast fix 51:06 Third-party sharing data 53:02 TikTok "does not" share data, update is delayed 56:10 Topic #4 - Summarizing Apple's event 56:28 iPhone 14 specs: SOS, notch, chip update 1:00:32 Linus on Apple's calculus 1:02:04 iPhone 14 & Pro camera update, Apple Watch 1:05:33 Clearing out Linus's take on privacy 1:08:30 AirPods Pro 2: Transparency mode 1:11:44 Linus's thoughts on not migrating to Type-C 1:12:22 Merch Messages #1 ft. Bellocam 1:12:40 Oura Ring Gen 2 V.S. Gen 3 1:17:06 Utilizing UseAI for faster writing 1:19:18 Linus's & Luke's previous jobs 1:30:33 Was WAN show breaking Twitch's TOS? 1:39:00 Merch Messages #2 1:39:12 What second-hand PC parts to avoid 1:42:14 Moments of realization when LTT became big 1:50:11 Topic #5 - Linus is not a Forbes top creator 1:51:28 Trying to make sense out of the article 1:55:40 "Entrepreneur points", false earnings & outdated followers 2:00:26 Covering channels, mentioning those not listed 2:04:33 Where would Linus sit on this list? 2:07:02 Forbes’s "factual" statement, LTT compared to streamers 2:10:36 Linus on costs of staff, dog's score 2:13:00 Topic #6 - Jasco is a good guy now 2:14:28 Topic #7 - Logos on products are out of trend 2:17:32 Linus does not know Bottega Veneta, shows off shop 2:21:00 Luke has a heart attack, Linus on 2:24:20 Merch Messages #3 2:24:40 Steam Deck games Linus & Luke play 2:26:05 What Linus wants to try with Luke but haven't yet 2:27:28 Why are OLED displays larger than non-OLED? 2:29:48 Is emulating owned ROMs piracy? 2:30:58 Using LTT backpack on a bike 2:31:52 How Linus & Luke stuck for years ft. stories & "furry" art 2:41:48 What tech to take whenever travelling 2:43:40 Linus's sight on the danger of biking 2:45:12 Why did Linus go for workstation over VMs 2:45:53 Valve opening repairs for Deck with iFixit 2:46:43 Queen's passing, Linus on monarchies 2:50:22 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the WAN Show! We're not really gonna have any hot takes or controversial moments this week because I've already had enough of them for one week. Wait, there was... What happened this week? I don't want to know. Let's keep going! There was... Yeah, you do it. Project Farms has reviewed, actually. Todd was not the only one to review the LTT screwdriver, and I want to talk a little bit about what it was like being on the other side of that kind of an engagement. Normally, I am the reviewer,

but this week, I was the reviewee. It was something. Yeah. Forbes has released their top creators list. Spoiler, I'm not on it. And that's not the reason that it's one of the stupidest pieces of clickbait garbage that I have ever seen. Let's talk a little bit about that, shall we?

343 just can't stop screwing up Halo. What a strong start. What a weak fall. Moving on, we also have Jasko follows through. Some interesting stuff there. Yeah. Oh, man, that's going to be

a good update, and we will give it to you at some point. Later. Later. Yeah. When we do. Yeah.

Yeah. why don't we jump right into our first topic the headline topic of the show today the project farms and other uh i guess we could just say jeff geerling i think those are the two the two main ones that covered the that covered the screwdriver with reviews uh so the reviews of the screwdriver first of all you were actually over at my house yes while i was finishing watching the project farms video when it came out on sunday morning he was he was busy so i was let inside and then i gave a tour of his house to my girlfriend because he was busy reading comments well i was finishing watching the video as well like i hadn't actually finished really

no like so so i was literally there right on right then i was i was up i was in the i was in the bathroom having not really been able to finish brushing my teeth. That happens sometimes. In a state of stress and fear and worry. And those are all kind of the same thing. But I was this boiling crockpot of emotions. Even though it was really good, which we'll get more into. But just because i'm

eight minutes into the video yeah doesn't mean it can't get really bad totally and even when you're done watching the video there's the comments and even you've read a few comments there's more digest it a little bit and you might need to see the replies and it had just launched like right then so there was also a lot more comments and replies coming in and then reddit props up and people are talking about on twitter and it's just this endless feed i will say this it wouldn't make me change any of my outcomes right from any review that i've ever done i would and whatnot i would still trash the jibo again today but i would certainly have a little bit more empathy for the people who poured their sweat, blood and tears into the product, having actually lived through it. I mean, to be clear, that's something I'm already aware of, you know, like I will, I will go through a script review

with someone and I'll say, look, these are all things that we absolutely need to say, that we absolutely need to say but can you find can you find a bone to throw the team that like i've spent their actual time of their life building this thing right like i have trashed a product of people that i liked and was friends with and it was never really the same afterwards and i didn't change anything moving on but it sucked yep it is what it is it is it is what you gotta do what you gotta do as a reviewer but like it's just it's part of the part of the environment part of the job so you know so i wouldn't change anything but i i certainly have a much greater understanding of what it's like to sit there and go this could make or break me it's not that i was necessarily expecting us to see a huge surge in orders right like sure that would be nice but i you know i think that compared

to a video going up on our channel where we've been teasing this thing for literally years now and saying like yep you're gonna be able to order it you're gonna be able to order it boom now you can order it tsunami of tsunami of orders be able to order it. Boom. Now you can order it. Tsunami of tsunami of orders. And we have always, always recommended that people watch reviews and that people check out review content that isn't even just us and that you should cross-reference reviews. And we had

something reviewable. Yeah. So compared to our channel, I wasn't expecting a huge surge of orders because you guys had been waiting and waiting and waiting for this thing. You'd seen it in action. And whereas on his channel, his audience, well, unless they happen to need a ratcheting screwdriver,

like they haven't been waiting for the thing, right? So we did see a little jump in orders. But what I was fearful of was mass cancellations. Yeah. So it wasn't so much that I had anything to gain, but I had everything to lose. But the reason that we submitted for review, and I wanted to clarify this.

Under the video, that's the wording that I used. I talked about submitting the product for review, and some people mistook that to mean that we had paid for it or that we had even provided a unit free of charge. No, the only thing that we did was we allowed Todd from project farms to buy the driver ahead of online availability up until now. It's only been a Jeff and Todd both bought their,

yeah, they both paid for them. Yeah. So all we did was give them a page where they could click add to cart. Um, I think no, Jeff got a creator edition as well right so we we would have comped the creator edition but i believe he also just bought his own i think maybe both i'm not representing yeah i know he at least bought his own yeah and todd did not accept any drivers from us at at all so the only way in which i

submitted to the review was that i facilitated them just getting their hands on a driver earlier rather than later. And I did so because of the respect that I have for and the value that I place in independent reviews. Something that it would be pretty hypocritical of me to not value and respect. it would be pretty hypocritical of me to not value and respect. And when I use the term respect, I mean it in like a, one should be respectful of a horse, for it can carry you very far and very fast and be a loving, faithful companion. But it can also literally f***ing crush you.

Kick your ribcage through your back. Yeah, exactly, right? fucking crush you respect to horses yeah exactly right so I yeah so I submitted to the review early because I believe in the value of it even though I knew

that we could still sell 60 70 100,000 screwdrivers before any reviewer could ever get their hands on because I believe in the importance of that. And after all the time I've spent telling you guys, hey, you need to wait for independent reviews, even going to the work of putting together a pop-up shop so that before we opened broad pre-orders.

So everyone at the pop-up got to try it before they had to buy it. And then they were able to review it. And then everyone online got to see those reviews before they could buy it. And in order to take it to the next level, we found the, like, I mean,

Todd, Jeff was one requested reviewer, but Todd was overwhelmingly the most requested reviewer that people wanted to look at this screwdriver so we went out of our way to get in touch with todd who actually also reached out to us so i think uh we like we were going to and then like he also did so everyone was on board basically um in order to get that up there before we ever shipped a single driver knowing knowing the risk which meant that i just i man i had so much at stake oh yeah watching that video it was a tense moment i was so stressed we were supposed to hang out all day

and he spent man i think sick if you don't include the activity probably probably like 60, 70% of it on the phone. And I think I'm being very generous. Oh, not when we were on the water. I said if you don't include the activity. Oh, yeah, maybe. Yeah. Okay, I was on my phone a fair bit.

But I was, man, I don't remember. So was I. I'm not throwing you under. I don't remember the last time I had an adrenaline rush like that watching something on a screen. Like I used to be super into sports, right? So like watching the like 2010 gold medal Olympic game. Yeah. I probably had that kind of like emotional rush, like looking at two dimensional pixels. Right. But since then, probably not like I just, Right. But since then, probably not. Like I just, Oh, it was, it was mind blowing. Um, I'm,

I'm really glad that Todd tested the way he did. He ended up being really focused on ratchet quality, which makes a ton of sense for a ratcheting screwdriver roundup. But I had, I wanted to be, I wanted to provide our side of the story, obviously. So I asked Nick to send over all the materials that we were going to have on the website because Todd had his driver before the web page was formally launched. So I was like, look, he should have everything a consumer should have. Like, we don't want him to intentionally withhold information. That's stupid. But I was determined not to influence the review in any way. So Nick did all the communication which was just

sending like allowing him to buy it and then sending the thing and i was like i am not even going to watch a video on his channel i actually hadn't seen a single project farms video until i watched the review of our driver. That's not true for me at all. I'm not going to leave a comment. I'm not going to email the guy. I had never even been introduced, not even by email, to Todd. I was like,

if I'm going to preach this, the value of independent reviews, then the only thing I can do is to do nothing. So I'm glad that he was really focused on the ratchet because that is something that we spent a ton of our time on um and i was really relieved overnight it felt like the sentiment around around this project went from, I would say, well past healthy skepticism into cynicism,

particularly from a small vocal minority. You do have to remember that you're going to remember and feel the bad comments more than the negative ones. But it's more than just really negative comments. It's a lot of upvotes and a lot of negative discussion. There's been a ton of negativity around this, around this project. And there was no way for us to do right. Right. Like if we had rushed it out, it would have been, Oh, YouTubers don't know what they're doing. And if we took our time to do it, right. It's like, they're taking so long.

They don't know what they're doing. Right. Like there was in some people's minds, there was absolutely no way for us to win. I do know that a lot of people were very confused about why it took so long and then when you released the video of like this is why it took us three years to make a screwdriver there was quite a bit of like oh yeah so that helped but then you also need the independent review yeah so i've got the i've got the the chart the chart with the results um it's you know again i i didn't want to exert any influence on this or anything so you know i'm not gonna i wasn't gonna call in and tell you know todd how to how to make a chart uh this isn't quite probably the way that i would have done it um so the way it works is uh

the lower average like score here the better um yeah so here in side-to-side shaft wobble, right-left passes, so this is essentially the efficiency of the driver. Ratchet backdrag, those ones, those are gold medals, essentially. Magnet strength is a silver metal. Bit retention strength is a middle of the pack. And then we're actually dead last for rotate.

Oh, no, not dead last. 12 out of 14 for rotational slop, which I'll explain a little bit later. So some people did find his graphs confusing. But when I finally saw this, man was i ever was i ever happy so we came in second place overall uh with a 3.8 average rating so we were on average uh better than fourth place including that one 12th place um and we fell below on average only the 140 pb swiss driver that notably does not have internal bit storage um which i thought was pretty great um yeah one of the biggest victories for me was beating the snap-on by such a wide margin that was what we set out to beat that was the target it's also more expensive than our

driver um i have a note in here that if you remove the rotational slop from the equation we actually come out on top so rotational slop i'll explain and i think i think he explains it a bit in his video and he explains why it would be there considering some of the other benefits that this one has yeah so it's a bit of a trade-off with back uh like back drag force and from my point of view so what it is is when it's in a locked position right so when it's neither ratcheting one way nor the other okay no ratchet like a normal screwdriver so you hear that how it kind of ticks back and forth a little bit um that was not a major design consideration for us. And the reason for that is that if you want to use a fixed shaft screwdriver,

then maybe you should use a fixed shaft screwdriver from my point of view. With that said, the fact that we were so far behind the PB Swiss one, you know, obviously I think that's something that we would like to take into account, at least for a potential screwdriver V2s at some point down the road. Personally, though, for the use case that I think a lot of people are buying this for, because there's definitely use cases where you use that middle mode more often. But with PC building, I don't really see it. It never bothered me because I never touched it. Yeah, exactly.

The literal years that I used trialing this screwdriver in the lead up to the release. I never used it ever really. I suspect people do use it in other use cases. Sure. Maybe heavier stuff. I don't know. But I wouldn't improve it at a sacrifice of any other part of the driver. Now, to be clear, this is not Luke and I popping some copium pills before the before the show or anything like that.

The main point that I'm making is that this way of ranking who has the best average of the scores is not a perfect way of quantifying the relative value of a whole field of products. Todd actually addresses this himself. In a really good way, in my opinion. He shows that by just removing one result that he felt was not very important at all, the rankings can change dramatically. The chart also doesn't... So basically what...

But it might matter to you. Yes, it might matter to you. So it's up to you to remove the rankings that don't matter and to focus on the things that matter. The other thing is that the chart does not reflect any subjective elements of the products. I personally would never even consider using a screwdriver without integrated bit storage.

Licensing, Megapros, patented bit storage thing was a huge part of us even deciding to do a screwdriver at all because unless we had a huge improvement over the in-handle storage of my daily driver snap-on i wasn't going to switch away from it so um your mileage may vary on that some people really prefer to just have a case of bits and for some use cases that makes way more sense anytime i'm working around the house like if i'm putting up some picture frames and putting up some you know little hangers and you know where i'll have a screwdriver as part of my toolbox but you know i'm also going to be using my drill i'm going to have my whole drill and screwdriver bit set um but depending on what you're doing it might

not make a ton of sense brandon has actually uh kitted out his LTT screwdriver With all of the same bits That are on the red camera tool Oh cool You know the one that has all the torques and all the hexes And all the phillips and a slot That you need for Cameron He's like This is now better in every way

I'm like well okay good Because that was the goal So Oh yeah okay This was a thing that we jumped in because that was the goal. So, oh yeah, okay, this was a thing that we jumped in and kind of said earlier. Yeah, either way, no matter how it was going to turn out, it was really cool to see

our product lined up against the competition. It was kind of surreal, actually. Jeff Geerling also reviewed it quite favorably, although with no definitive final chart like Project Farms he liked the thinner shaft, the bit storage and the backforce on the ratchet

found it on par with or better than the more expensive Snap-on he said not perfect aside from the poor rotational slop he felt bit retention strength was another weak performer this is me editorializing here I consider this a subjective thing ours is strong enough to hold large screws and big thumb nuts like on aio water coolers for their retention brackets for example

but it's also relatively easy to remove from the shaft you don't necessarily want it so strong that it's kind of hard to get out so it's always a balancing act there are drivers that have stronger magnets the pb swiss yeah but you were i think you were talking the other day about how you would need a thicker shaft yes which working on a computer that might be kind of annoying sometimes you have to pass through different parts and whatnot so like there's there's trade-offs for for benefits in almost every scenario. And there's always going to be a thinner screwdriver. Like if you use a fixed shaft screwdriver, you might need that from time to time.

Like if you have one of those heat sinks that actually has holes through the fins that you have to stick a screwdriver all the way down. Yeah, even that will struggle with that. I've seen it. Oh, this won't be able to do it in some. I've even seen PCI slots where there's two layers and you have to get a screwdriver through the layer. You're just going to have to have a fixed shank screwdriver for that um but

what our goal was was to make sure that this was both long enough and low profile enough that you can put on any knock to a cooler because that's probably what you should be buying anyway so there were there were places where we knew we were making compromises and PB Swiss does offer a much stronger magnet than ours, but they also have a thicker shaft. Another thing that I feel like, oh, he noted that we can't offer the same level of same day customer service that brands like Snap-on can. I think that's fair. That's a fair observation. That's one of those subjective or anecdotal or non-quantitative things that is important to have as part of your consideration for a product, but that cannot be summarized in a chart. Is that mostly, this is pure ignorance on my part. Yeah. Is that same day customer service

mostly just for like shops? Yeah. Okay. So you might not have that same day customer service mostly just for like shops yeah okay so you might not have that same day customer service if you're an individual uh not necessarily but maybe i think it depends like one of the things with snap-on is that for the most part you don't buy their tools at like walmart um it's like a truck system is my understanding so i actually have a broken snap-on product i have a broken uh like like ratchet and i have i haven't to be clear i haven't looked into it i'm sure it's as simple as contacting their customer support and like getting a new one shipped to me or something but it's not obvious to me without like contacting them where i would go or what i would do like there's no truck that goes to your house for it

as far as i can tell yeah i don't. The trucks that will just have replacement tools like ready to go for you. Those go to like mechanic shops. The only Snap-on product that I own is an American Airlines official Snap-on screwdriver. So if I'm sure I asked for service on that, I might get some questions. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm just going to not. And it's also completely fine. And also thank you whoever gave that to me. Did someone just when someone highlights a comment does that mean they paid actual money on twitch to say it is that no no it's like they watch channel points which you earn by i don't know watching the stream oh okay some someone like highlighted their comment suggesting that i'm paying 80 employees to hype the screwdriver nobody cares about in chat. No, definitely not.

Something that I feel like both Todd and Jeff actually missed is that while Jeff commented that European shipping makes this screwdriver more expensive for some people, they both, and maybe this is just like a uh like a an america centric kind of worldview kind of thing i feel like it's just it's something that i observe a lot with my american friends and colleagues is that they um sort of don't consider sometimes like that the rest of the world is really different. So not only is ours more expensive in Europe, but the PB Swiss, for example, in Switzerland,

is a domestic product and actually relatively affordable. So neither of them, I think, really did a great job of covering the nuance of pricing. And that's one of the reasons that we actually rarely discuss pricing in our reviews. In situations where the price is a major, major point of contention, like we saw during the recent

GPU pricing madness. Yeah, or if we're doing specifically a price performance chart. Sure. Something like that. Yeah. Other than that, we go out of our way not to talk about pricing that much because from my point of view, it's dynamic.

It changes over time. It changes region by region. So what's the point if I do a CPU roundup of me laying out the prices and really spending a ton of my time focusing on that if ultimately it's going to be down to you to go check what the prices are relative to each other anyway and do that calculation on your own now in a perfect world labs would be able to dynamically generate that data for you but that's not something that we can do baked into a chart in a video so not really much we can do about it uh he noted that the plastic grip is more slippery than rubber

when trying to do any high torque work, like screwing into wood, but noted that it is still usable. Liked that the cap on the bit storage could free spin, so you can push down with this palm while spinning the driver. I have also, however, seen some people not like that the cap free spins.

I like that it free spins, but this also comes back to different use case things. I find with a computer, the free spin is going to be awesome. Yes. And with a computer, the grip is not an issue. But then, yeah, yeah. The free spin thing, I think, is also kind of an artifact of Jeff being a fixed shank screwdriver guy. Oh, yeah.

With a ratcheting driver. You really want that free spin. You go way faster. Well, noeting driver you really want that free spin you go way faster well no no he liked the free spin actually if anything i would say with a fixed shank driver you need the free spin more than with a ratcheting one that's probably fair because it spins on this end not this end yeah but we i mean it's megapro's design but we liked it because it does offer that flexibility i still free spin with a ratchet if it's really loose. Do you really?

And then I ratchet once it gets in there. Oh, have you daily driven this yet? No. Okay. It's less necessary with this one because the ratchet back force is so low. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, my response to the rubber over grip bit is that they do add grip, but they also tend to get gross over time.

One of the reasons I left my snap on so much is that it's hard plastic and just never got like dirty or gross. There's people who won't prefer that, though. Now, one thing, this is really important. One thing that some folks mentioned was the inconsistencies between Todd's and Jeff's results. And I saw I saw some kind of sauce, a comment about it. I'm gonna put that to rest for you, all right? We've bought enough competing products in the screwdriver category and made enough of our own that we have

plenty of firsthand experience with the kind of variation that you might see from batch to batch, or even from one driver to the next. And it's pretty high. And on some of the brands, it's pretty high. And on some of the brands, it's really high. Ours, no, that is not our goal. That is something that we're paying very close attention to. But we have seen some extreme variance in some of the brands. So if you got your tinfoil hat on,

that one of them was faking results or that we paid them off or whatever else, I think you might want to take off the hat go touch some grass that's that's not what went down yeah um you know what maybe we'll do the messenger bag discussion later we've had a lot of requests for a messenger bag and i wanted to as someone who doesn't really use a messenger bag i wanted to get some feedback from the community on it but we can we can talk about that later what do you want to talk about next luke um let's see here i i'm kind of itching to get in on this 343 thing because i'm honestly just annoyed sure let's do it okay 343 keeps screwing up halo infinite and it cancels split screen co-op i was so excited when halo infinite launches he knows that a bunch of my other friends really

excited like like this tier this tier excited i the second i loaded in i see the the launch screen the music looks fantastic the launch screen looks great you jump into a game uh hopefully really quickly or you have mic general microsoft multiplayer problems and it doesn't work, but you eventually get into a game and it's fun and it's cool. And you're like, okay, well, this is really, really, really, really noticeably missing co-op and Forge because just jumping into playlists,

I think is what they call them, to play like, oh, I'm just going to play Deathmatch 47 times in a row is not actually super entertaining. And one of the best things about Halo has kind of always been the custom maps and being able to do things you want. I really want to be able to play Blood Gulch. Not being able to play Blood Gulch makes my soul sad.

I don't really care too much which version of Halo it is. I just want to be in Blood Gulch, and then I'll be happy. So not being able to... I am certain one of the first things someone does with forge is going to be just make blood gulch um so that'll be nice but first of all okay they cancel split screen co-op why does that matter so much a lot of you probably are never going to play split screen co-op yep it matters because some of us would okay and because they said that they were going to have it um they said after halo it was noticeably missing from halo 5 yeah and they said after it was missing from halo

5 that they would include it in halo infinite moving forward um there is hilariously enough apparently a glitch that allows local co-op to work on at at the very least, Xbox Series X, but they're not going to officially support it. So that's frustrating. Now we're looking at the roadmap. Should I have your screen? Sure. Yeah, it's on the dock, but that's fine.

The roadmap is going from November. Okay, the first section of the roadmap goes from November 8th to March 7th. I tripped on my words so much there because damn, that's a big gap. Holy crap. And then, okay. It also goes from March 7th to June 27th. So everything that you're seeing on here, it's like almost a year. Whoa. Yeah. One of the things that's in the second gap so after march 7th potentially as far as june 27th if there isn't another delay is the custom game browser r.i.p dude that's remember when that used to be like the most basic multiplayer feature yeah custom game browser. Speaking of the most basic feature, have you read this list? There's mission replay. I had to Google,

because I haven't played the campaign yet, because I'm waiting to be able to play co-op because it's Halo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had that same reaction. I had to look it up. You can't replay missions! And you're not getting it.

How is that even possible? I don't know. And you can be like, oh, it's hard to replay missions in open world games. No, it's not. No, it isn't. There's tons of open world games. Lots of them have mission replay. Figure it out.

My goodness. Oh, coming sometime from November 8th to March 7th it's free 30 tier battle no one cares fix your game quality of life improvements sound pretty good yeah we need some of those I have not been interested in launching Halo Infinite in a while and it was like the only shooter game I played that for

a while I was like the I was like yeah gaming every other night, playing Halo Infinite. Like the multiplayer was fun. That's a rare Pikachu. You don't see that too often. But like, my goodness. Okay, we jumped far into the...

Dinky Dolphin says, just abandon Halo like the devs did. Oh, too soon. Rough. Too soon. March 7th to June 27th includes in-game reporting. Cool. That probably should have been on launch.

Yeah. So much of this stuff, like ability to mission replay. Yep, should have been on launch. Co-op should have been on launch. Forge should have been on launch. Tell me something. Tell me something, Mr. Lefreniere. This game has been in development for so long.

Okay, you actually work managing a development team. Is that correct? Correct. Okay. I feel like managing a development team. Is that correct? Correct. Okay. I feel like I'm testifying. Yeah, so you have some developers who report to you. You task them with new things to do. They tell you when they're done, and you find more work for them to do

and help to keep projects on track. Would you say that that is correct? Sounds about right. Okay. That would be yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yeah, okay. Thank you. Okay. That would be yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yeah, okay. Thank you.

Okay, so Luke. Yes, your honor. Okay, we can drop that now. So in your humble opinion, okay, this one feature here in particular, in-game reporting.

Now, my understanding of a feature like this is that it's probably like a cheat. Like a cheat. Yeah, or it's probably like a cheat. Like a cheat. Or it's swearing or bad language. Tell me this. Tell me this.

In your humble opinion, the complexity of implementing a feature such as this, knowing the amount of metadata and telemetry data that a modern game engine is generating and crapping out, the complexity of creating at least a minimum viable product version of this would you describe it as extremely high somewhat high moderate somewhat low or extremely low i'm gonna give a really annoying answer it sort of depends on what's there you suck it sort of depends on what's there what you suspect is probably there though it's it shouldn't be that hard yeah yeah like really look i don't mean for you to have to throw your your fellow development industry yeah it's under the bus it depends like like okay i don't gotta be a management issue yeah that's my point i'm

not throwing developers under the bus it feels to me like they launched way too early because it's something that i actually commended them for which was they saw battlefield launch and immediately hard flop yeah and they were like you can play halo and we were all like sick and it was nowhere. Yeah. And they should have held it back. Unfortunately. Unfortunately. So now like 80% of the team is probably working on stupid cosmetics and stupid battle passes and whatever. That's in here.

In the March 7th to June 27th, new 100 tier battle pass. It's coming. There's cosmetics coming all the time. Yeah, for all the dozens of players that are still playing it yep really brutal really brutal really frustrating okay so tell me this then from your perspective okay i've had a couple of of comments about how you are you're would you say that you lead the team at floatplane.com? Yeah.

Floatplane development team. Okay. So from your perspective, how hard is it to implement the feature where you might get a notification when someone replies to your comment under a video? Would you say it is extremely hard, somewhat hard, moderately hard,

somewhat easy, or extremely easy? Highly ignorable. Highly ignorable. Would you say that that's a management issue yes okay we do actually have some really cool features coming on floatplane soon uh picture in picture is coming picture in picture and background audio are are coming there's chromecast fixes that should be coming but we'll talk about google being annoying in a moment

uh there's content progress we don't really know what to call it and it's never going to have a forward-facing name so it doesn't matter yeah uh but people have mentioned that they want to be able to they especially mentioned with the like however long it was like four hour long hour call me chris collab uncut so they mentioned that they wanted to be able to see where they were previously in it which was not something that we had received a ton of feedback for in the past. It was a known missing feature, but not a ton of people were complaining until this really long piece of content landed.

So that's coming. That's really, really close to being done. And it will resume you where you were previously. If you're within 15 seconds of the end of the video, it will assume that you're back at the beginning, all this type of stuff um there's also the new player which is finally getting back on track again mode so it has theater mode it has some other stuff going on um uh there's editing and deleting of comments under videos so no notifications yet but hey better better control of your own comments and stuff is coming.

There's a lot of stuff coming down the pipeline. Cool. We don't have the development team that 343 does. I mean, hey, maybe 343 doesn't have a lot of developers. It's a little smaller. Maybe it's a very small, it's a tight-knit, small team. Whenever I say some stuff about development on WAN Show, and then I get people reaching out from those companies,

often what I hear is that a lot of these developers want to fix this stuff or want to do these things. That's always the story. Look, you got to understand. It's not like these people are incapable. Software. And it's not even that. It's not that they don't have the passion for it software developers in a lot of cases especially the ones that work in utterly thankless industries like game development they are artists every bit as much as the artists who uh draw the assets or model the characters or whatever else it is they are every bit as

much artists the the art of of the art of coding how a projectile might bounce off of an object and create you know these sparks that come out at oh well if it comes in at this angle it comes on that that is it's freaking art it's all art and so you know you talk to these people and they get they get so frustrated? Because they want to spend the time. Often very passionate about the things that they work on. Want to do it properly, right? But a lot of these companies are super massive. And when you're super massive, it can be very difficult to move.

It can be very difficult to make things happen. Things can be very rigid. And that can be difficult difficult to move. It can be very difficult to make things happen. Things can be very rigid. And that can be difficult for the managers. That can be difficult for the developers. It can be difficult in a lot of parts of the chain. And something that I don't have experience with directly is working in one of those gigantic companies because I would hate it.

I have no desire for that whatsoever. We stay just small enough for his tolerance level so when LMG got too big okay well no you work for float plane now I was expressing concerns about us getting too big like many years ago yeah so it's

that type of thing I understand I empathize it's one of the reasons why i don't work in that industry so it is what it is but yeah i i understand it can be tough and i understand you're you're often left wanting because you want to fix the thing you hear the feedback you know you want to do something about it and you just can't so i get it but yeah i it's very disappointing some people are discussing whether the like bullet ricochet sparks or whatever that that whether that qualifies as art no that's physics right but there's an art to physics yeah like okay okay think think about this right okay science can be art grab grab grab your water bottle okay we're having an epic movie sword fight.

Ting, ting, ting. See, he automatically started doing mouth sound effects. Why? Because metal clashing against each other, swords clashing against each other sounds stupid and boring. There is artistry to it. You can't just go,

well, my physics calculations are actually correct. it. You can't just go, well, my physics calculations are actually correct. Therefore, this fire is accurate simulationally to the real world. Like that's not how it works. That's not how video games work. You don't actually want to play that game, right? So no, there's absolutely room for artistic license when it comes to things like buildings falling down or when it comes to things like like buildings falling down or when it comes to the way that grass waves in the wind or or whatever else it is it's absolutely art and i will not accept any other opinion sorry no no no there's there's an art to i i i strongly am of the opinion that some people are talking about like things that separate away from that. There is an art to making what you're there.

There was something that I used to think was really, really cool. And I'm trying to make sure I quote it correctly. I believe it was Morrowind. I used to really, really, really love watching like the special edition DVDs of like the making of this game or whatever. I remember there was a Halo one back in the day that was super super cool and there was one from elder scrolls but i don't remember if it was for like oblivion or morrowind or what or what but it was like from kind of back then i think it was morrowind and they were talking about how they had to put certain assets on different parts of the disc so that it could read it faster or else like the game would like have issues loading and could

crash and stuff because it would take it too long that there's an art to that in my opinion actually there's an art to a lot of different you're gonna have to see what i had typed up as the next thing i wanted to say here right yeah yeah exactly like it doesn't just have to be things that you that you see it can be there's an art to dealing with the technical limitations and compromises that are inherent to gaming is what I said, because you would rarely be able to run an accurate simulation in real time at 60 to 120. I mean, gamers are getting more demanding all the time.

240 frames per second. Good luck with that. To say that there was no art involved with developing the software that got the first rocket to the moon is crazy in my opinion there's it was morrowind yeah yeah yeah yeah i think a lot of games i mean sony talked about in the playstation 5 launch how there was like some spider-man game that had the same garbage can asset uh within on the disc like hundreds of times or something like that because it's just a waste they might need to grab it again oh okay yeah yeah yeah

yeah something like that one of my favorite ones is that the from super mario bros the the bush and the cloud is the same thing it's just recolored did you know that i have heard that but i had forgotten so cool really funny and like yeah thinking to do that and and and knowing that you need to do things like that and actually implementing those types of actions and making it so that basically unless someone told you you're probably not going to notice is so cool and a lot of that is a lot of those types of things are lost in the modern day you have call of duty downloads that are 150 gigs and all this type of stuff but they are doing other artistic type of things i don't know i don't know i just want to do a call out for merch messages guys so don't send super chats don't use twitch bits it's all about

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Someone explain I want to hear the Google story Jerk Well, Google's also jerks So that's a good segue Okay. Jerk. Well, Google's also jerks, so that's a good segue. So we went to go launch our Chromecast fix update thing for Android. And we hit a wall, a fairly reasonable wall. I don't mind hitting this wall.

It was frustrating to deal with, but I understand why it's there. It's the greatest wall. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't mind hitting this wall. It was frustrating to deal with, but I understand why it's there and it's probably a good thing. It's the greatest wall. I don't mind hitting this wall. We basically had to define how we collect and share data through our app so that when people are looking at apps on the app store, they can see what those apps at least claim they do with the data. It was a little bit confusing because the way that they use the term sharing and the way that they use the term collecting is a little bit odd. And I, in my opinion, and this is definitely a very subjective opinionated thing, in my opinion, it makes it unclear to users. Because if you go to the App store app store let's use uh netflix let me know when you're ready uh no i did app store i need to say play store i always do that hold on okay

what did it used to be called i i told myself i was never going to forgive them for calling it play store because that's stupid sucks what did it used to be called google marketplace is that it i honestly don't remember app market holy crap what did the play store used to be called we can share my screen if you want oh sure okay so android market okay i actually liked that more but that's whatever um so you want to be able to see this essentially so we're looking at netflix um if you scroll down on netflix you can see data safety. They say no data shared with third parties. This might sound a little bit surprising. Yeah. Maybe not for Netflix. They're gigantic. Maybe they all make their own stuff. I don't know. Sure. But there's quite a few different apps that you're going to be like, hmm, that seems a little bit weird about. And I'll explain why

it's basically always that way. And then you scroll down and it goes data collected. It's like, okay, cool. And you can expand it. And it says like they collect approximate location. And these are the reasons why they do it for personalization, security and compliance, fraud prevention, analytics, app functionality, whatever. This is a very sensible tool.

I was almost going to say good. I don't personally think I want to go that far. I'm going to say very sensible. The reason why I have issues with it is the same reason why it took us so long to fill out this form. It's because we interpreted this incorrectly. No data shared or data sharing in general. No data shared or data sharing in general. Data collection by them is defined as anything that is collected by your app and shared with third parties. The sharing is not defined as sharing if it's handed to a third party and then processed on your behalf.

If it's handed to a third party and then processed on your behalf. So we don't share financial data. Which was surprising to me because I would always define that. Yeah, we don't want to store your financial data. I don't want to touch your financial data. I want to touch your financial data as little as possible. I want to store it nowhere. I want no history of it do you remember how stressed we were when we were trying to implement payments

on the forum for the like contributor badges and stuff terrifying like basically the only thing that i i don't think i ever cared more about anything to do with that forum then holy crap let's really make sure we never store any payment data yeah i don't want it so it goes straight to stripe or braintree slash paypal whatever um and there's other things we also use firebase because we want to uh have some analytics about crashes and see where problems are in the app and some other stuff like that but that's data being processed on our behalf. So it's not sharing. I see.

That's weird to me. If I was an average user, I mean, earlier today, I would not have interpreted it that way. That's very weird to me. And that makes things unclear to users, in my opinion. Okay, so that was like a little bit frustrating. I think this tool is a sensible thing to have. But I think a lot of users are going to read it incorrectly. So I don't know how much help it actually provides in its current state. We finished that we submit the app. We're

like, okay, sweet. It's going to take a couple days to actually get sent out to people. But hopefully people have Chromecast fixes before the weekend is over, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jaden pointed this out. We figured this out during the meeting too. And I can actually look it up right now if you want. TikTok says it shares zero data.

Oh. I have to find it. Give me a second. Okay, so TikTok. On the clock and the party don't stop. I don't remember how you get to the thing. Let's click on this and then data safety yeah yeah no data is shared with third parties oh yeah yeah sure probably because they process

it on behalf of tiktok or whatever so it's just all garbage basically don't don't worry about that thing at all um and then okay so the part that actually really blew me up was we go to submit this bug fix and we get denied and Jaden's like, Hey, we got denied. Also, they said that they sent you an email about this problem a while ago. So like you should have fixed it. And I was like, what? Okay. So I look into it.

Yeah. I go like view email. Cause it's like, oh yeah, we sent this thing to you and you can look in the dashboard and it'll show you the email. I click view email. It's head to toe Chinese. I'm like, oh yeah, we sent this thing to you. And you can look in the dashboard and it'll show you the email. I click view email. It's head to toe Chinese. I'm like, oh yeah, I saw this a while ago and ignored it because I thought it was like a phishing email because it's fully in Chinese.

Our account has never been set to Chinese. I have no idea why they sent me an email and entirely Chinese. I'm never going to look at that and be like, this is definitely actually for me. I'm going to figure out what this says. So I don't know my bad, I guess. The thing that was wrong was it said that we didn't have a link to our privacy policy. They linked in that message to the part of the dashboard where we're supposed to put our privacy policy in. And I was very surprised because I'm like, what? We've had the same privacy policy link for years.

Yeah. I click on the link. There's our privacy policy. I'm like, huh? So I copy and paste it because I have preached about this in the past. You shouldn't just type things in. When they're in a dashboard, you should copy and paste it. Because I'm like, maybe there's something weird with the slash or whatever.

Copy and paste it, dump it in the the browser brings us straight to the privacy policy i have literally no idea what happened i think considering the email was in chinese they were viewing a different app and then just flagged us by accident they both have for the 30 commission that like they get you'd think that they're supposed to. They both have. For the 30% commission that they get, you'd think that... They could run it a little better. Yeah. So those Chromecast fixes

will get to you eventually. I had to appeal the problem that isn't a problem. And that is going to take at least seven days. And then hopefully they actually do it properly and release it and then we will have to actually republish the update and then it will take a few days from there so it's probably going to be like a week and a half two weeks before you actually get the update i'm sorry

we're doing what we can all right should we talk about apple's far out man announcements or the forbes top creator list is dumb. You vote. You vote. There's one vote. Monarch vote. You're the new king. Let's take a spice break and go to Apple. Spice break. Yeah, spice break.

All right. This was prepared for me by Jonathan Horst. I'm going to confess, I was really busy this week. I did not watch the Apple event. All I did was read the script. It was actually full-on hashtag lie-ness. I had no idea what I was reading the script about. Alex Clark prepared

it. And Jonathan Horst prepared this. Now I haven't looked at any of it. So there's a plus size. iPhone 14 and 14 Pro. There's no new mini. The vanilla iPhone gets a 6.7 inch size, $100 more. Okay.

Fun fact, the difference in cost for that slightly larger screen is not $100. But I mean, you're buying an iPhone. You knew that. There's margin on everything. Frankly, yeah, there's margin on everything. And, okay, I want to make it really clear. I've said this before, but people don't seem to hear it. It's not Apple's making money that I object to. A lot of the time, it's just their attitude about it that I find frustrating. The fact that they will say that, oh, it's about being environmentally conscious. It's about this. It's about that. It's about user safety.

No, it's about making money. Just own it. Emergency SOS satellite feature. This is super cool. So basically, you can send off an SOS in an emergency when you are out of cell phone signal. Had you seen this already? I think it's pretty cool. Yeah, it has an app that allows you to freaking line up

your phone with the satellite to get just enough signal to send out an sos and that's it that's sweet and this is not just for emergencies like this could just be if you're the kind of person who just goes off grid for long periods at a time you can actually send a message to your friends and loved ones you know every day or every couple of days. Ping, I'm alive. Ping, I'm alive. Ping, no need to send help yet. Ping, I'm alive. That's freaking awesome.

Yeah, it's good. That's a game changer. Very good. The pro version gets the Dynamic Island, which is... An amazing name. So good. So which would you go to, the island or the lonely island oh there's some stuff in boxes at the lonely island yeah i heard there's some pretty good stuff in boxes there you ever open up those boxes because like let me tell you

spicy justin justin sorry um it replaced that took me a sec i know what you're referencing that it replaces the notch with a pill-shaped cutout on the oled screen uh that resizes in software for notifications etc so they've decided not to eliminate the notch but rather to double down on it now it is a feature it is not a bug big notch i still hate it and cool it's no longer a notch guys it's an island to be clear i hate it now i i'll try it i'll try it i'll get an iphone whatever one 14 pro i guess and i'll daily drive it for a little bit and i'll see if it can i'll see if it can change my opinion when i set a timer and i get that little animation maybe it will completely change how i feel about having a exit wound in the middle of my screen honestly that's one of

the things that i love so much about the fold is it has that underscreen camera so you just do not need to ever see the well okay so I can't find anything that's full screen because so many apps are designed to hide stupid hole punch cameras and notches. Anyway, the point is, okay, full screen, full screen content of any kind. I basically don't notice it and I really like it. Speeds and feeds.

The iPhone 14 Pro gets the a16 chip it's four nanometer 50 more memory bandwidth compared to the competitors who they claim are as fast as an a13 which i actually kind of believe at this point uh it's been it's been apple versus other like an old man pouring out molasses for a long time when it comes to mobile mobile cpu speed like honestly at this point i feel like the fact that the iphone 14 did not get the a16 chip instead it gets the old a15 chip but like with five gpu cores now like the 13 pro the fact that apple is even bothering to release faster newer processors at this point is an indication that this stuff was just all on their roadmap before they realized

that the rest of the industry was going to completely stop moving right like like i mean they've already done all the r&d they might as well fab new ones but at this point they're probably sitting there going well these guys are so far behind we don't even need to bother putting these new chips in our new phones and i actually see this hold on i see this as a win not putting a new processor in this new phone the iphone 14 yeah see i knew he was going to make that face hold on i'm gonna let you try and figure out why i think it's a win i genuinely have no idea part of apple's calculus oh no okay still expensive yeah i've got a price bump actually uh part of apple's calculus for software support is the soc in the product and part of their calculus is some kind of minimum lifetime for every product so when you get it

okay this is where i'm going now so there was a chip that if I recall correctly was common to like phone, iPad 2, I want to say, and like an Apple TV or something like that. The point is it got used very broadly across Apple's product portfolio. And what ultimately ended up happening was the products that had that SOC ended up getting outsized long-term product support because a lot of the time the idiosyncrasies and the challenges

around bringing an updated software to a particular device is really just about the SOC that's in that device. So if you already had to do the work for the iPhone 14, well, even though the 13 series is a year older well screw it you might as well you might as well port it to that too unless there's some huge compelling feature that you know require that is integral to the new version of the os and you really need to drop that older device which clearly ain't the case here yeah i suspect that this will mean an extra year of updates for iPhone 13 users. There's no way Apple would ever confirm something like this,

but I suspect based on their track record that we will actually see that, which is cool. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. I dig that. I dig that a lot, actually. Price bump.

You mentioned it in most places except China, Canada, the US, where it's $799 for an iPhone 14 and $999 for an iPhone 14 Pro. Sick. But everywhere else gets a price bump, which is pretty sweet, I guess. Speeds and feeds. Oh, yeah, I talked about that. Camera updates. Apple claims 2 to 3X improvements in low light performance.

Sensors and aperture are bigger. There's now a photonic engine, even processing the photos more. Okay, cool. And the Pro gets a brand new 48 megapixel sensor on the main camera, allowing a 2x telephoto option. I guess that's about it. I mean, there's the new watch. Frankly, I can't say that I am that impressed.

There's lots of cool stuff, I guess. The Ultra model can be used as a dive computer up to 40 meters deep. So that's around 120 feet. It has an action button to integrate with fitness apps and scenarios. 36-hour battery. 60-hour with low power setting in a coming update. And two speakers for an 86 decibel emergency siren. Okay, that's pretty cool.

That's pretty cool. I mean, user safety is a big deal. I like stuff like that. I'm totally down. If one of the greatest things about smartphones is that it combined a bunch of devices into one and not just like, oh, I can listen to music, right? So it's like a boom box and a normal cell phone,

but also flashlights, right? No, it's not the best flashlight ever, but you can get a flashlight on there that you can do work, but you can find little things with it or whatever. Adding more things to that pile is good. Why not? One of the other new features for both the Series 8 and the Ultra is a body temperature sensor to track changes over time

to enhance cycle tracking, so like menstrual cycle tracking and provide a retrospective estimate of when someone has ovulated which could be useful for fairly obvious reasons warning if you're in certain states okay so that's actually one of the other things that we were going to talk about i guess we're going to take a little we're going to take do a little side quest here. Okay. Sorry, I didn't... We received some mixed comments on our coverage of the Apple Far Out video with regard to our statement about the Apple Watch Ultra's ability to track women's bodily rhythms. But then, keep that data secure and secret, even from Apple, from everyone.

So we noted that this degree of privacy is important today, given the fact that in some states now, abortion has suddenly gone from legal to illegal, and such data could be weaponized against the woman who generated that data. Now, my personal position on this issue is that A, it's more complex for me than this side or this side, and B, it's not something anyone asked me about. So with that said, my comment in the video was not an attempt to wade into the US abortion conversation. I have no desire to do that whatsoever. My point was that laws are not static. And regardless of your stance on Roe versus Wade, or whatever the hot button issue of the day is, whether it's 2FA or 2A or something else, you should support the right

to maintain the privacy of your data. And as such, you should never, not even if it's the other guys, you should never support the practice of your own healthcare data being used against you. That's actually a huge thing. There's a lot of insurance companies that are very enthusiastically buying your, you know, when you like submit DNA to various DNA companies to figure out your lineage, whatever.

Those companies, as far as my understanding goes, are making the lion's share of their money, just selling all of your data to insurance companies so they can charge you more. Luke and I have talked about this pretty extensively in the past. There was one WAN show in particular where we discussed a smart toilet that would analyze your urine and I think your stool as well to help screen for diseases. And our positions do vary a little on some of these issues, but I think it's fair to say that we agree that these could be useful technologies, but also that they can have very dangerous knock-on effects.

So just understand the issues and make the decisions for yourself. They could dramatically increase health insurance premiums, for example, for at-risk individuals through no fault of their own. And the truly scary part of all of this is the uncontrolled way that this data moves around after it's been collected through data sharing agreements and corporate acquisitions. after it's been collected through data sharing agreements and corporate acquisitions. Frankly, I believe our unease around the collection of personal data and desire to keep it private should not be a partisan issue. And if you think it's a partisan issue, you need to wake up because this is a problem.

What if tomorrow, okay, the Apple Watch used its accelerometers and its microphones to track how fast you drive your car. And Apple was forced to fire over a little SMS message to law enforcement every time you went five miles over the limit. How'd you feel about that? What if what you were doing was totally safe? Or what if it was necessary due to an emergency? Remember the bit about laws changing that I just mentioned? What if prohibition came back into effect and your Apple Watch used its temperature and heart rate monitors to detect a state of intoxication? Should it draft a little email for the cops

and your insurance company and let them know about your little indulgence? Or it'll probably also know if you're driving at the same time. Or should that information be secure and belong only to you? The bottom line is this. Women's rights are human rights. And when it comes to protecting private health information, people across

the aisle should be absolutely united. That is all I have to say about that. Cool, cool, cool, cool. AirPods Pro 2nd Generation. Now featuring the H2 processor with improvements to sound processing, active noise cancellation, they claim 2x more, whatever that means, personalized spatial cancellation, they claim 2x more, whatever that means,

personalized spatial audio, and they offer adaptive transparency, which minimizes loud sound intensity. That's kind of cool. I don't know that I would use something like that at like a maybe like a concert or something. I often use my AirPods Pros. Actually, oh, I know what I would use them for. I often use them just as like earplugs, like when I'm working on tools and stuff. So having a transparency mode that will take a bit of the edge off of like a table saw or something like that, that would be, that would be actually pretty sick. Okay, so I will obviously buy these, daily drive them. My first gen AirPods Pros are in pretty rough shape at this point.

One of them is getting kind of like scratchy, crackly sounding. Oh, dang. Yeah, the battery life's not what it was. So I'm stoked. I'm stoked. There's a volume slider. You can slide the finger up and down on the touch control to adjust volume. That sounds pretty cool.

I sleep in them. So I hope that moving my head around is not going to do anything. I've had issues with my Sennheisers. Those are my backup or like sound really good ones. And then it's the LG FP8s for like better comfort. I sometimes wake up in the middle of the night with dead earphones. And ever since we had kids,

like I need something in order to sleep. So I'll swap my earphones to something that has a battery and then try and go back to sleep. know right it's dumb i didn't realize that was a since you had kids thing i thought that was just forever no since i had kids yeah because um i i well no i used to need complete silence to sleep but then once that wasn't an option and yvonne was going to be the one with the kid, particularly when our son was born, since she was going to be the one with him during the day and she was going to get to like nap during the day,

I had to be able to sleep sometimes for longer periods because I was going to go to work, like, you know, new company and stuff. So I had to learn, I had to find something that would help me tune out whatever was going on around me. And that's what I settled on. And now it's a crutch.

Yeah. Now I can't get over it. There's a new extra small silicone tip. The second gen tips are not compatible with first gen. Okay. Better charging case. You want to have my blop. Oh, a speaker for finding it, which is nice.

Plus a lanyard loop. Nice. Battery life up to six hours fancy and 30 hours included with the case total um okay and still 250 bucks i'm in someone's i'm so in how do you feel about apple still not putting usbc on them pretty good question um functionally it doesn't matter i already own lightning cables everywhere I need to charge my AirPods. Um, for me, it doesn't matter. However, I would like to see the industry moving towards standardization on USB-C sooner

rather than later. And I wish Apple wasn't just dragging ass on this for no obvious reason. They can certainly afford to redo the tooling of the outer case to make a slightly bigger hole So there That's what I have to say Next topic Can you please not pick something controversial There's nothing not controversial left

Merch messages Bell hit us with a couple Wait Jasko Okay sure we can talk about Jasko Or we can do merch messages for a bit and Jasko after Let's do a couple Hello First question here

Is from Sebastian Look at that we've got a producer cam now Look at this guy I hope you like this side of my head Nice hoodie by the way So the first question here is from Sebastian now. Look at this guy. I hope you like this side of my head. Nice hoodie, by the way. Thank you. LTTstore.com So the first question here is from Sebastian. I was thinking about getting an Aura

ring, but I don't like the price and subscription system of the third gen. I was thinking about getting a used gen 2. I'd like to ask what your battery life was like and how you feel about using it over the last few years. My battery life was really good on the gen 2. I am also not a fan of the subscription service,

but I got to tell you, I don't think getting a Gen 2 helps you avoid the subscription service. At least that's my understanding. I could be wrong. It could be that the Gen 3 is subscription only unless you are grandfathered in because you were an existing Gen 2 owner

who bought a Gen 3. That's what I did. That's how I ended up grandfathered in. You can see I'm actually not wearing mine. The biggest problem I have with the Gen 3 is that they stopped doing half sizes. So I'm an eight and a half. And nine is too big.

It comes on and off very easily. And eight is so difficult to get on and off that I find myself just not bothering to charge it. So if the sizing works perfectly for you, honestly, I was really happy with the thing. It's by far the best health and fitness tracker experience I've had. I can't say that I know it was the most accurate.

Have you ever used Whoop? No, I haven't used Whoop. Okay. So it's the best one that I've had. I was actually just like wondering. I'm not like, you haven't used whoop. Okay. Okay. So it's the, it's the best one that I've had. Uh, I was actually just like wondering, I'm not like, you haven't tried this one miles ahead of my experience with the Apple watch.

I'd be like driving home after badminton and it'd be like, keep it up. What are you talking about? The Uring would never make those kinds of mistakes. Or I would be, I would be actively playing. I'd be on the court and it'd be like, you need to stand up and move around a bit.

Meanwhile, the OURA ring's like, you're going hard, dude. Like, yes, I'm like drenched in sweat and my Apple watch is like, hey, potato guy, maybe you should touch some grass. Yeah, exactly, right? Ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. I, oh man, yeah, it's tough.

I was really happy with my experience with it when it fit properly, but the subscription model for it, I think is a tougher sell. But I also, in their case, do understand why they're doing it. They have done a lot of development on the software in the time that I've been using the product.

And something's got to pay for that. So there, it's nuanced. Oh, I should, you know what, just in the interest of full disclosure, Ura has reached out about sponsoring us. The first ring I got, I got a Gen 1 that they sent because they were going to do some kind of sponsorship. Or was it a Gen 2? I don't know. I got one ring comped. Maybe it was a Gen 2. And then they were like going to do of sponsorship or was it a gen two i don't know i got one ring comped uh maybe it was a gen two and then they were like gonna do a sponsorship or something but then they just didn't but then i was just using it and liked it and then they contacted me as a gen two yeah it was it must have been a gen two as a gen two owner and said uh hey if you upgrade to the gen three

you get grandfathered in for the lifetime subscription uh but you have to do it now before the gen three launches and i was like oh you shouldn't pre-order but i actually really like this thing so i bought a gen three which unfortunately now that they don't do half sizes has been actually less useful to me in a certain um certain way of thinking um and then now they have come back and they're saying they're interested in sponsoring us again. So the relationship with them is a little complicated is all I'm trying to say. So you can take everything I said about them with that in mind there. So I have bought one. Meanwhile, my comment on whoop was not a recommendation. Their onboarding process,

as someone pointed out in flow plane, I agree is like a little wacky and I don't like it. You don't see a lot of charts until you've had it for 30 days and the return window is 30 days long. Also, the subscription is like really expensive. I don't know how expensive the Oura Ring is, but the Whoop is really expensive. Yeah, Rohanology. Me falling asleep after an exercise routine. My Apple Watch ending up recording a two-hour nap is exercise time. Happened regularly.

Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm talking about. Next question here is from Cameron. Have you ever considered developing a custom GPT-3 model using past LTT scripts and video stats to help writers write scripts faster, similar to GitHub's Copilot? I'm going to be honest with you.

We don't look backwards much. One of the strongest critiques I can give of a script is, this is very 2019 LTT. You know, we are always trying to evolve. We're always trying to do things differently. Every once in a while, nobody's perfect. We'll get lazy or we'll make a mistake or we'll do something that is not forward-thinking. But it has never really been my way of handling things to dwell on the past. It's one of the reasons that I think our daily release schedule works so well for us

because we don't have time to dwell on the past. Okay, today's video, not performing great. Okay, time to think about tomorrow's video, right? So I honestly, I'm not going to say never because, man, some of that stuff is getting pretty incredible. But I don't see us to use utilize ai writing anytime in the near future we don't have the bandwidth for it right now um but i've thought about some stuff where it might be able to be useful um but i wouldn't say in like in writing scripts i would almost say in like a suggestion type format um like if we were feeding data into it based on uh like watch time metrics and and all this other type of stuff being able to suggest like make sure that something and it should try

to like read the script and figure out how long it's going to take sure and it could insert like and make sure you have something punchy here or like yeah blah blah like this is the best place for your ltt store call to action. Trying to like massage it a little bit, but not writing it for people because of exactly what you said about not looking into the past. But yeah, we don't have the bandwidth for it right now. But I think there is, I think there's things we could do with development to try to help little bits kind of all around the business. It's just deciding where the biggest impact is and i don't think it's there right now yeah that's fair okay one more for now question here from anon how many jobs did the two of you have before starting ltd do you have any advice before

breaking into the job market i had a ton um i had a lot i started working really early My parents are freaking awesome But we weren't like wealthy Growing up so Having a job was like A good idea I don't know I also didn't mind working So yeah I had a ton of jobs Breaking into the job market depends on your age

And it depends on your experience entirely For me when I first broke into the job market depends on your age and it depends on your experience entirely for me when i first broke into the job market it didn't matter walk to whatever store or walk to whoever person's house like some of the things everyone was hiring at that point i remember noting i remember like noticing the quality of like subway sandwiches going down dramatically in that like several year period because it was like they would hire literally anyone off the street there was nobody stayed at a job for very long like once they were trained they're just like out of there like nobody was trained i'm talking potentially like before that like i started working before I could legally have a job I'm talking about like 2000 like man when when okay when was it it was it was when I was getting my scuba certification

so it would have been around 2010 I'm talking like 2001 oh okay well carry on yeah so how I first started doing things is like I would walk around my neighborhood and see like oh someone's doing a landscaping project can I offer to help for relatively like not okay amounts of money because they'll probably say yes but i could i could get some work i could get some money and i didn't really mind it i'm like shoveling whatever it's a type of physical activity i didn't really care um or i'd mow lawns or or one of the like main first things that i got was just delivering newspapers which sucks it's a terrible job yeah um and then yeah a bunch of other stuff so it really it really depends on like when you're hitting into the market um it's something that i always say for developers is try

to build a portfolio build something do something um make it kind of. And that'll get a lot of traction for you. Like genuinely. Do stuff on GitHub. Make it so your code can be seen. One of the most frustrating but understandable things is when someone applies and they have nothing to show at all. Because they're like, oh, I've been working professionally in the industry for 10, 15 years. And just like your developers, a lot of my my stuff not maybe all of it but the stuff that is there is open source contribution and i don't want to share that account or whatever like i

there's nothing for me to see so it's like okay well now i'm gonna have to get you to do some stuff um so if you if you don't have experience to throw at people you have you have your three things right you can throw portfolio as in like things you've made, some examples of your work. You can throw experience, you can throw education. Each one of those are entirely viable. And I know myself definitely, but a lot of other recruiters these days are looking quite heavily into experience and portfolio and less into education. Education is really expensive. Not everyone can afford it. But some of those people that can't afford it

might be really, really good. And it's worth looking into them. My entire employment history can be found on LinkedIn. My first job was as a day camp counselor during my exchange to Quebec at Parc et Terrain de Jeux. I was like an assistant camp counselor. I exchange to Quebec at Parc et Terrain de Jeux. I was like an assistant camp counselor. I didn't speak French very well, but boy, did I ever try hard. Learned some of the songs and everything. Wow.

Je tape les mains. AJ, rip them apart. Go, AJ, go. Whatever. Then I was a lifeguard and swimming lessons instructor from 2004 to 2005 at the Maple Ridge Parks and Leisure Leisure Center um that sort of faded away because I went to school uh in 2005 and it was not realistic to be working while also attending UBC full-time and commuting a total of about three and a half hours a day from Eastern Maple Ridge to UBC at the like West end of Vancouver. Then I was recruited during my first year of school as a student works painting franchisee. So technically I was self-employed during this period, even though I didn't fully understand that at the time. I thought that I kind of had the backing of a larger organization

behind me. In practice, though, if someone doesn't pay you, they do absolutely nothing to sort it out. You are, you're essentially an independent owner operator. So thanks for that student works. Then I quit student works, definitely abandoned my contractual obligation out of both. Well, this was a period of, I guess it's probably fair to call it depression, even if it wasn't diagnosed. It's pretty much textbook case. This was this was not working for me. So between how I was feeling already about the job and the feeling of abandonment when we had that payment issue and then just kind of been like, see you later. I walked away and I went to work at NCIX because I loved just like talking about computers and helping people configure computers. And I only lasted six months because I went back to student works.

See how these overlap a little bit. So I started at NCIX. Then I knew I had to go back to StudentWorks in the summer. So I was only there till May. And then when I came back, they actually didn't send me back to the store. So you can see here, here's how it went. December to May, I worked at NCIX part time. Then from May to June, I was at StudentWorks. Then I walked away. And in July, I was back at NCIX. So as the PC Systems Business Unit Manager, I configured the PCs. I ended up actually building a lot of the PCs, including a junior employee. This is Ivan. Oh man, what else? I filled this out like really well because i was updating this at a time when it

wasn't uh certain that this whole linus media group thing was going to work out and i was trying to get a job uh the there's an lmg clip of the i think of the time that i tried to apply for amazon that took place during this time man can you imagine what a different life I'd have if they had hired me as their like, it was like social media video coordinator or something like that. Like I was an absolute dream fit for the job. And I never even got a con like contacted back. I was like, yeah, like I there's these channels with like, like over a million. So I think I already had a gold play button at NCIX for NCIX tech tips and like can you imagine not hiring that person for your like social video role and I think it was because the job requirements were that you had to have

a bachelor's degree and I didn't yes so I probably never even made it to a real human being. I think I would have been a catch. I think y'all missed out. So anyway, I think I probably could have done some social media video stuff for you. That's a Luke Tech Tips dark timeline. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So then I was promoted to product manager, lasted in that role for six years. I was also like a category manager as part of this, man, I was like, I was actually like pretty good at this.

Hold on. Sorry about that. Um, cut daily POs managed a personal product portfolio from $0 to $2 million of monthly revenue. I, I, I rejuvenated a lot of troubled lines. Uh, NCIX was selling like, I kid you not like 20 msi motherboards a month when i took over that line and we were like over like hundreds a week by the time i was done with it uh ocz was selling basically nothing uh when i took over that line and they were our biggest ssd

and dram vendor by the time i was done with it. They didn't go under until I was out, so that wasn't my problem, thankfully. No, no. No, I had nothing to do with that. Maybe it's your fault. No, no. Then I have some other roles. I had multiple jobs at NCIX. I was YouTube Video Social Media Project Coordinator.

See, I did some stuff. Total of 85 million video views and 325,000 subscribers. Okay, apparently I did not have a million subscribers at that point. Oh no, that's right. That happened way later. We were at the Langley house. Nevermind. Nevermind. With less than $10,000 invested. Let me tell you, let me tell you, I buffered the crap out of that. There was far less than ten thousand dollars invested i was trying to account for every possible equipment expenditure that we could have had we spent nothing on ncix tech tips and then category manager for a couple of years so that's basically overseeing product managers. So yeah, I worked with OCZ, Intel, NVIDIA, AMD,

Antec, Corsair, Asus, MSI, EVGA, and many, many more. That was pretty cool. By the time I left, I was one of the most senior people in the company, even though I was only, what does this work out to? 26 years old. Dig at him more? Why?

Dig at me? Yeah. Someone's telling me to dig at you. Okay. So one piece of feedback that chat gave you is that you're not supposed to have stuff that far back on your LinkedIn, but he's also not actively looking for a job. Yeah. So who cares? And like, honestly, I, i well what am i supposed to just

have this job i've been here for almost 10 years yeah so at this point i think basically yeah well what do you mean you're not supposed to like like you shouldn't have your like painter stuff on there oh yeah that's stupid yeah i just i was memeing yeah i was just like you know what okay so part of it was that i was wanting to get a job the other part of it was that i like i used to keep a diary when i was in high school and it's like it's pretty cool to go back and look at that stuff so my my my concept here when i was creating this was that it would be as complete as possible more as much for my own entertainment as anything else so i put as much much information into the NCIX stuff, which I obviously remembered a lot better because it was current.

I put as much information as I thought I could put in there without breaking my NDA with NCIX, like disclosing business secrets. So I have sales growth in units while remaining excellent customer satisfaction and achieving GP margin targets from 2006 to 2012, 440%. That's the sales growth of my lines. And I'm not going to lie. I spent actual work time digging into our reports in our internal system to compile this for my LinkedIn

while I was seeking employment elsewhere. Fired. Bad. Bad Linus. Well, they didn't fire me. They I was seeking employment elsewhere. Fired. Bad. Bad Linus. Well, they didn't fire me. They asked me for six months notice, actually, is what they actually did when I tried to quit. Something like that.

That's a lot. That's a lot of notice. Yeah. Well, I was trying to negotiate for buying this channel that you're watching this video on for a dollar, right? Yeah. That was a whole thing. Yeah.

Twitch staff is watching me. What? watching multi-streaming get out wait what get out why are we why are we multi-streaming to multiple platforms luke why would you build a tool to do this i think they don't care anymore oh well you're allowed to stream to other platforms but not at the same time uh that's probably worth explaining. Should we explain that? Get wrecked, Twitch. Really? Are you going to be like that about it?

Wait, what do you want to explain? Sorry. I want to explain why we're allowed to do that. Oh, because we signed our contract really early? Well, it's not just really early. It's not early and not later. It's at an exact moment in time. We're trying to MCN?

Yes. So we've had a lot of people ask us over the years, hey, what's the deal? So in the early days of the WAN show, it was, hey, non-gaming streams aren't allowed on Twitch. What are you guys doing? Now IRL exists. So there's lots of talk shows on Twitch. Nobody asks about that anymore. But now the big thing is, you guys multi-stream. You guys stream to YouTube, Twitch, your own floatplane thing. We actually even stream to Facebook now, all concurrently. And you guys know you're breaking Twitch's TOS, right? The answer is that we joined Twitch at a time when serendipitously Twitch was looking. So I wanted to have some kind of foothold in live i i saw that live was this thing and some people were really successful in it i think it was my idea more than

yours your idea like the first q a yeah are you sure yeah i pushed you to do it did you because of the car talks well i you convinced me convinced me. So however we came to it, it was clear that live was going to be a force on the internet. I had no idea. And it's probable that when we talked about it, I would have said, my hesitation is that I have no idea

what this looks like. It was very outside of our wheelhouse. There's actually a big difference between VOD and live. Yeah, I have no idea what this looks like. It was very outside of our wheelhouse. There's actually a big difference between VOD and life. Yeah. I have no idea how we make this make any sense. I have no idea how we make this make any money. I have no idea how to do this. There were a lot of challenges.

And so we started out with just like a Q&A and Twitch was really, I mean, YouTube I don't think had live streaming yet at that point. Don so we started out doing some live streams on twitch and then it over time became the wan show and after a while what happened was we were this kind of like unique situation i think luke like knew some people at twitch which was how we didn't get kicked off for streaming non-gaming stuff in the early days. That's how that went down, right? Then things went to another level because Twitch... I will also say that it helped a lot because one of the reasons why they had the whole, like, you got to do games thing was because it was a question about moderation.

So they weren't against us doing it. They were also a little... Because they didn't want other people to start doing it because we were doing it because they didn't want to deal with the moderation of that and all this other stuff. But it was, they were just like, yeah, it's fine. We want you to do it anyways.

It's fine. Got it. So anyway, because right, because part of the conversation was that they did want to branch out of gaming. Like they had that kind of in the back of their minds, right? So at some point they approached us and they wanted to get into the MCN business.

So like doing brand deals and getting like a portfolio of like YouTube creators and basically skimming some of your revenue to fund their efforts to go get brand deals to hopefully sell ads against your videos and bring you brand deals that more than outweigh the cost of joining the MCN. That was the theory of the MCN model in practice, what it actually turned out to be was a big grift, where MCNs skimmed revenue from you. And that was about it. I don't think that that was the

intention of any of the people we dealt with at Twitch. But one of the things that happened as part of that negotiation was YouTube streaming did exist by that point. And we basically said, actually, we cannot be a primarily YouTube-centric brand and company and channel and be exclusively streaming to twitch that's and if you're our youtube mcn how does that make any sense for you to not allow us to stream on youtube yeah clearly this is stupid yeah and they basically went oh okay well we'll we'll get you a carve out for that uh so that's So that's how it went down. Yeah. So we are allowed to multi-stream. I believe the subject of our contract

was brought up at some point years later where there was a desire to unmake it a unicorn. And I basically said, nope. And that was the end. Yeah, yeah, pretty much it. All my- My apologies for not remembering that you pushed to do live.

I remember- No, it's fine. I remember being hesitant. I remember recognizing that that was something that like we needed to have some kind of foothold in. But I don't remember if you were, I don't remember you being the one who planted the seed. I think that's the reason why that was my first show on camera.

It was because I was pushing for live a bunch. Yeah, I'm not certain about that though. Well, no, maybe that was part of us like figuring out how to make live make any sense. That might have been it too. Because I remember it being just like exhausting and and not interesting content to just sit and do q a because people would just keep asking the same questions yeah so maybe that was where i came from i didn't have a car and we would very often work past when the buses would run so linus would drive me home all the time

and we would have these conversations on the drive home and i would often find myself sitting there thinking like man i think a lot of people would want to hear this because we're talking about like the tech news of the week essentially and all this other type of stuff like i i think this is a lot of decently interesting conversation we should put it somewhere it doesn't really make sense to be a vOD. We should have a live show. And then, yeah, then that's where the Q&A stream came from. Gilmore D asks, what happened that week

where you were banned from Twitch a few years ago? I don't remember that. Did we ever get banned from Twitch? I don't remember that. Yeah, sorry. I don't know. Digidude asks, does LMG still have anything to do with full screen MCN?

That's a good question. I actually need to check social blade to find out if they are our mcn so i will get back to you in one moment it says here who your mcn is uh i don't think so i don't think so i think we i think we unlinked with them a while back and it was basically i don't remember the the terms around which we we parted with them but our our deal with full screen pretty much was not very favorable to full screen and in the same manner they kept trying to renegotiate it with us and we kept kept saying, actually, no, because a signed contract is a signed contract. And at some point, they basically went, well, okay, you need to go.

And we kind of went, well, we're taking our data with us, because you guys may not know this, but the monetization data, like your historical monetization data on your channel can be lost in the transition between MCNs or from an MCN back to just a vanilla YouTube channel. And so there was some technical details to sort out for our transition. So it ended up taking quite a lot of time, but we are apparently not with full screen anymore. Frankly, they never really did much for us when we were the other. No, they sure didn't. Never really did anything for them either.

Absolutely true. Yeah. Should we do a couple of merch messages? Sure. Yes. Delayed reaction. First question here we have from Laura. Hello, Linus and Luke.

I love the show. Keep up the great content. But I was wondering if other than GPUs, what PC parts you should avoid when buying secondhand? Oh, I don't think you should avoid GPUs at all. So I read this earlier. That was going to be a strong part of my response oh sorry sorry no no i'm just saying i agree um and i i wouldn't necessarily avoid buying any pc parts second hand there are things that i would be way more careful about mostly mother storage and storage

second-hand storage is just second-hand storage it's pretty sketch often not worth it there are cases where we've done i've put second-hand storage in our like production like editing server uh but but those were enterprise grade drives you could actually go into the drives and see what their power on hours were see what their bytes written were they're they're a savvy shopper can buy second-hand storage in certain cases but for the average consumer is not something that i would recommend yeah you have to this is something that i run into trying to buy secondhand storage all the time too is you like shop around you find a good deal and you're like okay sweet and then you go look at how much it would cost to just buy a

new one and it's like the same price i don't know what's up with that. I don't get it. But the storage secondhand market has always been kind of trash. So you're probably not even, it's probably not even worth doing at all. But if you do, make sure you're very careful about it. And that should be because your budget is like really tight. Also with stuff like motherboards,

make sure you inspect them closely. And if the person's like, no, then don't buy it. ForshrugIDK says, you should buy like 20 to 50 used mining GPUs on eBay. Have the lab test them, running them 24-7 for gaming and see how they perform. That's a cool idea. We already did it. It's coming out soon. We bought 20.

So stay tuned. But no, if it works, it works. And buyer protections on these used platforms like eBay are so good now that if it doesn't work, there is a strong chance that you will be able to get your money back. So yeah, really, the big one for me is storage. I'm a little less wary of used motherboards than Luke is, but he's not wrong either. Especially because a used motherboard, it can be not obvious that it's bad immediately. Whereas with a GPU, it's actually usually obvious very quickly. You run some kind of intensive application like Furmark or a game benchmark or something like that, and you should see artifacting. Or if you're monitoring the clock speeds, you should see them

dip, you should see something go wrong pretty much right away. And if it doesn't go wrong right away, then it probably has some life left in it. As much as when it was new, okay, probably not. But some. Yep. Next question here is from Lorenzo.

Has there been a specific moment when either of you felt you realized that you'd made it big as YouTubers? you realized that you'd made it big as YouTubers. I think there was two for me. One of them was... We went to... Hold on.

I like answering Luke's questions for him. I forget what stupid event it was. Was it... It was like... I think it was PAX East or something, where it wasn't the attendees that kept crowding around you. It was the other creator influencers. Oh, Twitch.

TwitchCon? That was a weird experience. Oh, that wasn't one of the ones you were thinking? This one specifically said, you realized you made it. So I thought of really early things. Oh, I see, I see, I see. There's definitely like big moments where I'm like,

okay, this is another like level. I remember you talking about that one. That one was very cool, but very weird because, okay, so events like PAX, it's pretty common. I mean, maybe not these days. I haven't been to a a pack for a long time and i'm not on as much content so people might not recognize me much but back when i was hosting a lot of stuff it was very common that it was like almost difficult to walk around because so many people would come up and say hi and that was a cool experience and and i'm happy to say hi to everybody i go go to TwitchCon, different group of people. Nobody knows who he is.

We're not Twitch people so much. We do WAN Show, but we don't do anything else. So none of the attendees know who the heck I am, but there's creators breaking their attendee lines to leave to come say hi because they know who I am because, I mean, they need streaming computers.

Yeah, it was so cool. It was sweet. And Munition was like, yeah, you taught me how to build computers. I am because, I mean, they need streaming computers. Yeah, it was so cool. It was sweet. And Munition was like, yeah, you taught me how to build computers. I was like, shut up. I met up with Day9, Mr. Sean Plott, someone who I've been a fan of for a long time. And he was like, oh, you're flying tech tips? Whoa. And I'm like, that hurts my brain i no part of my my brain was ready for him

to like know who we are and also be like super impressed so that was that was sweet he's super super nice dude um on and off camera um but yeah that was that was a bit of an eye-opener for sure i think my my two like first moments um was First moments was, I remember the first PAX that we went to. I was in the indie booth. I've told you this one a bunch of times. I was in the indie booth and I was doing my like quick sales pitch for why the guy should interview with me. Yeah. And I say like how many subscribers we have.

And he's like, well, if you want a million you should probably like interview with me because we weren't at a million yet and i was pissed and i i'm pretty sure i just left i don't i don't remember exactly what happened brandon might remember it but i was like really mad wow um because i wasn't even trying to say energy i wasn't even trying to say like you know like we're the best i was like, we're a decently sized channel. We're at the indie booth. I can give you some coverage. Like, do you want to jump on?

Um, and he's like, I was like, what the heck? I was not a fan of that. Um, and then we broke a million. So like breaking that first million had that extra punch for me. Cause I'm like, screw that guy. That's hilarious. Okay. Uh, and then the other one was when my my twitter follower account surpassed

the combined follower account for all of the hosts of the radio show that i listened to when i was growing up okay yeah that's something i was like okay wow yeah very few radio hosts have managed to successfully make it over to social media i remember noticing that back when i was listening to like sports talk radio a lot uh maybe i guess a few years back i just like i'd be like yeah these guys are like huge they're on the radio they have all these people like calling in and i'd go on twitter and they have like 900 followers and stuff like they've been on the air for like 15 years what is this but just completely different audiences right yeah like you got your boomer radio listeners and then you got your young twitter users and a line between them a solid line yeah um i think for me there are i mean there's a number of big ones that stand out i mean i'd say

i'd say getting our our first you know uh check that covered our monthly expenses as a company was a really big one i would say that getting a YouTube representative was huge because not just me personally, but tech as a category had been largely shoved to the side at that point. Getting as an escalation point from that one, getting invited to Top Creator Summit was pretty cool for me. The biggest one though, and I know that this is going to sound like a cheesy answer, but it's the truth. And I'm pretty sure Luke will remember me saying it at the time. Um, probably the biggest one for me because the goal has always been, I want to be a real company, right? And being a real company is more than just building fame and reputation and

wealth for yourself. It's, uh, building it for i know he's going the entire team and so one of the biggest moments for me was when i forget who exactly it was that was like the wow moment but it was someone relatively peripheral on our team getting like recognized on the street in my in my presence and someone being like whoa i'm a huge fan um where i kind of went okay that's what i want like i want to be the i want to be like like you know thinking like warcraft 3 right like i want to be the hero that has like the aura that makes everyone around me a superstar because that, that is next level. So that was, that was,

that's always been something in my mind. Um, and I, I felt that that was really, really exciting. Last weekend when we were, when we were kayaking, we went past those guys and one of them recognized you,

right? Like I can't go anywhere at this point. Honestly, I'm not trying to like be like, oh, I'm so cool. I'm in a kayak in the water and someone paddles past and is like, sup, Linus? Yeah. Did you hear what happened after? No. Him and his friends look at me and not super quietly but not to me are like is

that luke and then they all just stare at me and no one says anything and i just go by none of them even like tried they're just like you're clearly you got that intimidation aura that's so weird i don't know oh. I don't know. Oh man. I don't know how to deal with it anymore because I've been inside and also off camera. So like at the screwdriver pop-up, someone introduced their partner

and they were like, they're so excited to see you. You're their favorite one or whatever. And my whole everything was just like, der. Like I don't know how to respond to this properly. I actually felt really bad afterwards, but. Hey with all the luke for ceo uh threads on reddit and stuff lately it seems like it seems like the luke fandom is strong you know what i was i was uh i don't know if you noticed when you were over but uh all the rgb is set up in the shelves in my streaming room and i have like a bunch of memorabilia that I've always just had boxed away.

The mouse pad? You saw it. I actually love that that's there. I have a Slick Tech Tips mouse pad that was produced by, wasn't it one of the forum mods or something? It's a super old school reference to one. I think it's the first April Fool's that the forum had where we changed the, I wasn't even the one that did it. But we changed the whole forum to Slick Tech that was like an april fools joke uh and it went like really far if i remember it went like into the acp and everything like it was like

yeah probably more work than it was worth yeah i think yeah yeah exactly but that was from back then. Yeah, that was great. There was something I was going to say. Oh, yeah, right. This is a perfect segue into one of our other topics. Maybe I haven't made it at all. Forbes just released their top creators list of 2022. These 49 social media savants and one dog are redefining celebrity for our connected age.

Money, fame, maxi. That's what it takes to qualify for Forbes' first ever ranking of the most powerful influencers on the internet. None of which you have. They're compelling. They're compelling they're compelling often quirky content is consumed by millions and the world's top brands happily spend millions to sponsor it um okay blah blah blah blah some fantastic creators on here and i'm gonna let you finish but linus is not on it no yeah i'm not as you scroll through uh where the hell is the list

here we go number one i can't believe they still haven't changed this picture, even though he asked them to. Yeah. He replied with a tweet that has like over 10,000 upvotes being like, hey, could you please use a different picture? Yeah. So here's the list. They've got your earnings.

They've got your total followers. He also corrected them on his total follower count. They had it not right. Yeah, it's like very not right. um average engagement whatever that means it's not 100 clear how they calculate this entrepreneurship score three um out of what what is it out of there's more details in the doc we'll go through this a little bit but the point was not necessarily that i i wanted to um i mean to be clear yeah mr beast probably belongs at number one on the list hold on every single person got a three for entrepreneurship score except for jake paul and he got a two what is this scale okay i don't know

but let's go ahead uh markiplier only gets an entrepreneurship score of one is one better oh what is one worse uh xqc is at three so up in the okay to be clear up in the top here everything's looking like pretty pretty up and up you know uh uh patrick uh simondak uh i don't know i'm sorry um patrick star i guess uh 15 million dollars for earnings that's a freaking ton of money to be making on on social media oh it's gigantic you know 11.7 million followers okay you got jack septic eye with 16.8 million dollars a year look at this average engagement 10.2929%. There's a lot of people that absolutely belong on this list. We got Marquez in here, but then there's some really, really weird stuff as you start getting down to the end where it almost kind of feels like,

and I don't want this to be a knock against anyone who was included on the list but top 50 i don't know i don't know there's there's people on here with literally 1 million followers which is like really solid like you're doing that puts you above lily ponds with a total of 94 million and what is this estimated earnings for lily ponds of 3 million are you for real are you actually for real like do you actually think lily ponds only made 3 million dollars in 2021 are you serious hold on maybe she's fallen off a lot since the last time i looked into her in which case she probably shouldn't be on the list at all. So I suspect she hasn't. But let's bring this up.

Oh, no. She's still... Oh, actually, okay. She's petered out a fair bit. But she's still putting up pretty respectable numbers, anywhere from 15 to 20 million views a month. That is a lot less than I had thought it was going to be. Last time I kind of looked into her, she was doing like 100 plus million views a month. That is a lot less than I had thought it was going to be. Last time I kind

of looked into her, she was doing like 100 plus million views a month. In which case, okay, so basically what I'm trying to figure out is what's the rationale here? And the point I'm trying to make is that it appears to be kind of random. It appears to be a list of influencers that the author or authors just like. Which could be completely fine, but shouldn't be named the way it is and ranked the way it is if that's the case. If it's top 50,

you're going to have to have some, you're going to have to have some kind of rationale for it so let's let's get into this a little bit um if it's like top 50 creators we think you should check out moving into 2023 that's a different article that's a totally different article and that one's totally fine but that doesn't get as many clicks yeah as the top 50 and it doesn't get people talking about it like us way to go forbes you. You got your clicks. Good job. So let's go back to the doc for a little bit here. So it's

the most successful, influential, and entrepreneurial people in a given field, in this case social media. And Linus was nowhere to be found. I added this to the doc, to be clear. I wasn't the one who put that in. I actually don't care because these lists are meaningless.

I might as well be on a list of random YouTubers from my point of view, because here are some questions. How did Forbes calculate the rankings? Earnings figures are for calendar 2021 and are Forbes estimates. Clout measures not just the sheer number of followers, but also their engagement,

as indicated by likes, shares, and comments. For follower count, they summed followers across platforms, and this count includes people who follow creators on multiple platforms. Finally, each creator was given an entrepreneurship rank of between one and three, rewarding people who founded companies, started investment shops, or otherwise structured deals in creative and lucrative ways. So at the top of the list, congrats, Jimmy, 2021 earnings, 54 million total followers, whatever. We already went through this. Makes sense. Very inaccurate, but makes sense. I will say this, whatever estimates they're using for revenue, and this is something that I've

noticed on previous Forbes, like earnings estimate lists about YouTubers. These are people I know personally, right? So I know for a fact that the earnings for Jimmy are wrong. That is not accurate. It's also, it's not only not accurate, but even if it was accurate, even if that number meant something, like let's say for the sake of argument that 54 million was his revenue for that year jimmy invests heavily in his business oh hard yeah i mean we've seen it he hires people build sets um brings in experts just the squid game uh uh project yeah insane millions of dollars yeah he spends on his business so if you are so depending on what the goal of your list is if your goal is the top grossing youtubers well then by all means jimmy belongs on your list but what i suspect based on knowing him

and having a little bit of inside baseball is that compared to some much, much smaller operations where it's just a one man or one woman band or one person band, right. Compared to those, he's probably not as profitable. Yeah.

Cause he's, he believes super, at least as far as my, I've never talked to him, but as far as my understanding goes, he believes super heavily in reinvestment. Reinvest, reinvest that's that's that's jimmy to a t right like he's not trying to make money today he's trying to build the biggest hugest most epic influencer machine that the world has ever seen it's just it's a completely different objective

i'm not saying oh jimmy sucks at business he didn't he wasn't as profitable in 2021 as some other influence so that's not what I'm saying at all he's just he's just got his eye on a completely different prize from most people so what is what is that what is so that's the first question what is this number Jimmy is Mr. Beast guys uh what is this number? Is it revenue? Is it profit? If it's profit, what are you basing it on? You have no idea. No idea. And like, I remember like as a teenager, young adult, I used to read these like, you know, celebrity net worth click listicles, you know, and people get so interested in like who's the richest person in the world? You know, is it Bezos? Is it Gates? Is it this guy? Is it that lady? Whatever, right? But what I realized after seeing estimates of myself is that the

people writing these articles, in pretty much every case i've seen have zero special insight and knowledge whatsoever zero you could go compile the list yourself and probably do as good of a job yeah um yeah oh this is great they didn't edit his total follower count yet either he said our youtube has more than 200 plus million didn't edit his total follower account yet either he said our youtube has more than 200 plus million subs alone yeah his total follower account is like wildly off especially because don't don't they even say like yeah you're gonna have people that follow on multiple platforms so they should have just totaled all of his and if anything which is just an insane number if anything his is one that i would be i would be more willing to to just add up together because

so many of his additional YouTube subscribers are on other language channels, where there probably is very little subscriber overlap with the main channel. He also I didn't see this, but apparently he also questioned the entrepreneurship score claiming that people who had less than 10 employees had the same ranking as people who had 100. Yeah, that's pretty stupid. This is a note from... That's a really weird scale. One to three is an extremely odd scale. What does that even mean?

It means basically nothing. Adam noted that the list seems to be a bit of a mess. In the accompanying blog post, Forbes states that Charli D'Amelio is at the top of the list, but the list itself puts Mr. Beast at the top. So that's cool. They credit Sophie D. with founding an agency that our writer, Adam, couldn't find evidence of it actually existing. They are missing some massive, massive channels like Vlad and Nikki, who have 88 million subs. It's a kid's channel. Or like Nastia, which is a 100 million subscriber children's channel.

And this isn't like a children's channel like Cocomelon, where it's like, I don't know, is that really a channel? Is that really an influencer? Is that a company, you know? This is like, as far as I can tell, Nastya at least started as like a family run, just like kids channel, kind of like Ryan's Toy Reviews. There are some highlights from the list.

Marques is on there as number 18. Forms claims that he posts reviews of everything from video games to drones to smartphones. I don't remember the last time Marques covered a drone, but that's... Or video games. Yeah, or video games. I think that was edited.

I specifically tried to read through that part Let me try to find it They've got Oh man I should do an earnings estimate For Mr. Marquez Brownlee Oh no it's still there Yep which posts reviews of everything

From video games to drones to smartphones Yeah Marquez reviews a lot of video games Big gamer Marquez It would have been cooler to from video games to drones to smartphones. Yeah, Marques reviews a lot of video games. Big gamer, Marques. It would have been cooler to shout him out for his Ultimate Frisbee stuff. Well, yeah. Which is, I know that's not on the YouTube channel. You would have had to actually know anything

about the guy, though. You wouldn't have been able to just... I think that's super cool. You wouldn't have been able to just crap out whatever popped into your mind and put it in your listicle. Yeah. Like, that's ridiculous

is PewDiePie even on the list I didn't actually scroll through the whole thing so oh PewDiePie is apparently missing let me PewDiePie is mentioned in Jacksepticeye's section because let me tell you something

I don't know I've never spoken to Felix okay I don't know i i've never spoken to felix okay i don't know him i don't have any insider insight into him um but what i will tell you is based on what i know about mobile game the mobile game industry big money big youtuber simulator looking at the numbers that that app was doing when it launched he never has to lift a finger again that wasn't his only game i didn't even know that yep yeah so like but that's the thing is the people compiling these lists they have absolutely no concept whatsoever of where the where like who's doing big money deals and that doesn't even that doesn't even get into some of the some of the sketchy deals that some influencers are doing

like there's influencers earning huge amounts of money essentially grifting their audiences with like crypto scams um there was that whole uh who was that who was that guy that got caught uh promoting a gambling site that it turned out that he ran? Oh, the Counter-Strike one. I don't remember the guy's name. Frankly, you know what? Let's not even bother saying it.

I don't want to say the wrong one. Doesn't deserve it. Yeah. So, you know, yeah, probably earning pretty good money. Not on the list. I mean, okay, maybe there's an argument to be made for ill-gotten gains not ending up on the list are there like any streamers uh yeah yeah yeah excuse he's in there oh right he is yeah yeah um bunny the dog is on there earnings of 1 million

dollars total followers 9.3 average engagement 5.85 entrepreneurship score one what what is what is that even why how are you even on that list like i'm again i'm not gonna say i should be on the list but i should definitely be on the list before the dog that i'll say um i don't know because the metrics are so bad like the the entrepreneurship score one to three what is it even based off they don't break it down uh like mr beast pointed out like it doesn't seem to necessarily be based on anything their numbers are wrong anyways um and and to properly spec this out you would have to try to actually spend an amount of time trying to get accurate numbers which it doesn't seem like they really did oh people are saying position number 69

i'd accept that yeah perfect um people are talking about someone Bella Porch they estimate at 5 million Sorry Bella Porch they estimate at 5 million No shot And that's true I just looked it up No shot what?

There's no chance that's true Oh yeah no Okay hold on a second Cap? i did it i did it i'm so proud i don't think i've ever said that before i'm one of the fellow kids now what are even these numbers yeah they're just all stupid there's no way oh wait oh oh okay okay sorry uh it's in it's in tiktok mode hold on it's in what uh social blade i was i was confused okay uh wow that's stupid yeah she's huge oh yeah like yeah huge yeah there's no way 5 million total earnings is accurate.

You should probably educate yourself a little bit. She's also like, yeah, it's a... Build a bleep. We have a button. Build a bleep. Yeah. It's number 58 on Billboard's pop chart in May 2021. She has done deals with luxury

fashion house. I mean, mind you, we're reading this. Why are we reading this? Because it's clearly made up. It's probably just wrong. But okay, even there, if anything, crappy, deflated information, just that. There's like no way she makes only that amount.

She's a titan. Come on. Yeah. Like that's just disrespectful. Yeah. Five million. Get real. But that's true about a lot of these people, man. I don't know. Like so many people on this list, like it's fantastic that you made it on the list, but they probably said some junk about you that's not accurate

and not as cool as you actually are. And that's unfortunate. Also, there's no way that uh i don't know the fact that they the fact that they present this information is fact i think is what offends me the most uh ryan's toy reviews ads, merchandise, and proprietary line of toys helped him make very adult money in 2021, $27 million. They say this like it's a fact. You have no idea. Yeah. You have no idea.

Someone said she probably made $5 million during this segment. Probably not. Yeah, not quite. But, yeah yeah you might be just as far off as forbes though she's doing she's doing okay money i i you know what i should see if i can if i can do a more accurate estimate for marquez and then i'll just ask him if it's right i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure i could get close i'm pretty sure this ain't it chief i i think what he needs to do is start reviewing video games. Yeah, then maybe one day he could get there.

Maybe one day he'll make it. Yeah. If he tries hard enough. Oh my goodness. He'll be the breakout hit, or the breakout creator we need. Yeah. If he could just keep at it

and review more video games that's really honestly the video game content is just too ignored by his channel yeah shroud's not in there some very few major streamers they're streamers making like ludicrous amounts of money and compared to an operation like ours where we actually have like 80 people on staff a lot of them are very lean operations there's also a bunch of streamers that are really getting actually very very good at the vod game where they will make produced videos live on stream, where it's like you can barely even tell that they're live. They often won't even show the chat,

and they're talking to the camera as if they're actually live, all that type of stuff. Apparently, Shroud is in there. Sorry. And they're doing both, and they're doing it really well. That's actually a very interesting thing to follow in the creator space right now, is these streamers starting to just spread out into different content forms so they're not just doing one thing it's it's it's genuinely very interesting and so what entrepreneurship score would they get for that

you know uh it's hard because when you look at the difference between one two and three how much do you have to do to be able to jump up one of those you have 33 percent of the population i don't even think it's split that way but you have 33 percent of it in each one of the numbered gaps so like what the heck does that even mean it's impossible ludwig has monetized this format that's true it's also true about a number of other creators though he's not the only one doing it um and it's it's it's genuinely really interesting it's big brain it takes some work it takes a lot of planning it takes a lot there was already a lot of work that went into stream preparation back in the day

but i think in our current space for stream creators that are trying to do stream and vod i think there is a monstrous amount of stream prep that people don't necessarily think about because these creators are so professional, honestly, and good at hiding that type of stuff and just making it feel like you're just live hanging out, even though there was clearly, if you really think about it,

a lot of work that goes into this stuff. Also, again, I'm not saying I should be on the list because there are at least 50 people that are like way huger like way way bigger but compared to the dog okay it's the dog that I that I take exception with okay so what was the dog's earnings a million dollars or something like that as far as I can tell this is a total revenue number okay and. And like, look, look, look, I'm not saying, you know, YouTuber influencer flex. All I'm saying is, okay, with the number of employees we have, okay, times the minimum wage in BC. Okay. So I am paying at least $15 and 65 cents an hour.

$15.65 an hour Actually there's About There's about somewhere in the neighborhood Of 10-15% overhead on top Of that you know for like EI and all that kind of Nonsense I think it's actually higher but Yvonne would Know better than me and she's not here

Okay alright so that's at least how much I pay per hour okay times There are 2080 hours In a year, 2,080 work hours. Okay. Times 80. Okay.

I think that I beat the dog for revenue. Assuming that you guys are all getting paychecks. No, I just, well, we definitely all get minimum wage. Yeah. That's 7 million in dog dollars. No, no, that's not how it works Wait no no no That is species bias

That would mean that they make even less Um Yeah also the dog got an Entrepreneurial score of 1 Is 1 high or low I don't know I think it's low I think it's low Oh man alright what do you want

to talk about next forbes so this article was goodness stupid don't click on it don't go to it let this be the only interaction you had with it um okay what do we yeah what are we talking about many things done that done that done that um done that i was accidentally trendy do you want to talk about that no okay i mean i okay sure we can it was mostly that i'm sorry oh jasco jasco jasco no you don't get to talk about it we're talking about jasco let's talk about jasco yeah no you go though because this is your thing oh uh smart home electronics manufacturer jasco is following through on their promise to improve the availability of firmware updates to their family of products this is something that i complained about previously on the wan show and to jasco's credit they have done as far as i can tell a 180 on their previous policy of not providing firmware updates to end users to now

they are not only doing that but they are actually they have actually worked with home assistant to provide updates to jasco products automatically through home assistant over the air updates how cool is that extremely cool and they deserve credit and kudos for it this this is the type of stuff that we want to see from companies so when they do it we like very good job and they're doing it even once we've taken the heat out from under them yes they're not just saying we're going to do it and then going oh okay a lot of the fuss around this has died down we can probably just not forgotten let's just keep going yeah they're not just waiting out the news cycle so it's important to bring them back up talk about how to be clear the my light switches are still not perfect but you got to give credit where it's due absolutely and darn it they are improving their supported products in the mean are they're improving

the support for their products in the meantime so i I love it. They at this point, we feel have gone beyond the industry standard. So so kudos, kudos to that. I don't really need to do a ton of discussion here. Let's let's talk about let's talk about I was accidentally trendy. I came across this article in Financial Times that declares giant tacky logos plastered on everything to be on the way out. They're on the way out. Luxury logos. Okay, like this. They're on the way out, Luke.

Are they? Amid a... I genuinely would have no idea. Cost of living crisis and it seems absurd. Oh, I mean, that makes sense. Oh, man, let me read this article on mobile. Oh, I have to fill out a survey? Okay, no. Next. Okay, that was the whole survey. Logomania is over. And I don't know,

this was just kind of validating for me because starting with the Stealth hoodie, we have taken away more and more and more and more and more of the obvious branding on our products. Like you've got an old version of the water bottle stuff. Oh crap. I have an old version of the water bottle too. So the old one, even the stealthy one has a giant Linus tech tips across it. The new one,

just where the CMOS battery is just has a little LTT logo. It's like basically, yeah, it's hidden on the product. Um, and a lot of our stuff is like that. I think that's really good with stealthier and stealthier logos because you already paid for the product. I mean, if you want to rep, if you want to rep the brand by all means, but you should have options for people who don't. I've always supported that. Um, you probably remember conversations where I used to talk about like the quality of PAX merch.

That used to be a very major thing in my life. Yes, it was because it was the only thing you wore. Yes, I remember. Yeah. So it was really nice when the shirt wasn't just a company logo. And it was cool because actually people would ask you about the stuff more. So like if you're the brand and you want that representation, you're actually getting kind of like more of it, in my opinion, in a way because i i've never seen someone's logo on a shirt and been like oh cool i should buy that but i've seen an interesting looking shirt that i know is like at least somewhat related to the thing and i've asked people about it and that has maybe driven me in that direction to be clear this wasn't intentional this wasn't me trying to be trendy i traditionally have spent very little time brain noodling about fashion trends i think informic probably was you cared about it you wanted less logos you thought it looked better

well yeah but that's not i will still feel that way in five years when the fashion industry has big tacky logos on things again like it's the it's the cyclical nature of it that i don't yeah i can't keep up with we've been against that I just I just I just like the things I like yeah and every once in a while the things I like happen to be in fashion and readily available and so I stock up um so anyway the reason I clicked this article even in the first place though is I kind of run a clothing store now so i was i was just sort of curious um however this was the reason that i ultimately decided to make this a topic on the show it wasn't the i was accidentally trendy part that was just that was just a good title for the segment sure it was the part where the author kind of lost me when um they said their favorite brand

is bottega veneta I've never heard of this. I had never heard of. So never having heard of it, I went over to their site for some window shopping laughing. This was one of my favorite hobbies when I used to travel a lot is I would be in airports where they often have super upscale stores.

And I would play the game of going into the first store that I find that I completely don't recognize the game of going into the first store that I find that I completely don't recognize the name of at all. And then asking how much things cost. Okay. Hold on. You probably.

No, you haven't even found my favorite $7,000 shirt. How is it not the worst part? No, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, I didn't say the worst part. No, I say you haven't found the part that I found. Okay. We can, we can look at yours. Sorry. Which shirt is $7,000 shirt. How is it not the worst part? No, no, no. I didn't say the worst part. No, I say you haven't found the part that I found. Okay, we can look at yours. Sorry, which shirt is $7,000?

So the left tank top, which looks like the most boring normal tank top ever, is $610. And the right pinstriped shirt, which looks like something you could, and probably in this case should, just get from Goodwill, is apparently $7,000.

They had to add the 90. I love how both these things, like it can't just be 600 bucks. It needs to be 610. It can't just be $7,000. It needs to be 7,090. There's a bomb cost here. We need to get our cost materials back.

Well, they do. They do. It's important. Yeah. Okay. So hold on, hold on, hold on. Out of curiosity, I clicked the,

uh, what is it? Winter, winter 2022 looks. Okay. Um, so they've got like this runway thing. And I came across this gem.

Hold on a second. You'll probably have to watch over there. I came across this gem. Hold on a second. You'll probably have to watch over there. I came across this gem. Oh, the like Neo? The thing the guy's carrying. Oh. Okay. So hold on.

Let's freeze on that. So the garbage bag. Okay. Just a second. So if we go down, we can see all the looks. Okay. So I was curious actually about the jacket when I scrolled down here. It was the jacket that got me to come look at it but it turns out that only the bag

and the shoes are are their thing okay so i clicked this bag i was like okay what's the deal with this bag how much is i can't even this is a 2000 or 2650 canadian dollar bag $650 Canadian dollar Bag That does not have A hidden strap It does it actually does not It doesn't have hidden Backpack straps You actually Hold it

Like this She looks like she is holding onto this thing For dear life He looks like he's going to a slumber party. It looks like he's wearing slippers and holding a pillow. To be clear...

I know the, like, massively oversized shoes are, like, a thing. To be clear, I am not blaming the models here. I think they're probably doing a great job of doing what they are supposed to be doing in that industry um someone in flow plane chat said seven thousand dollars they're talking about that shirt that i found yeah seven thousand dollars covers the cost of the french um uh

taylor airline ticket of the french taylor the worst part is I literally don't know if they're joking or not. Because. So it's making me feel pretty good. About the LTT backpack. I think I just skipped a beat. Because you're talking about this stupid garbage bag. Oh no. And then you reach down and you go to lift something up. And at first all I see is that you're holding something that's.

Oh no. Like. Look the thing is. Thank goodness. I have no problem with premium products, but they better have a reason for it. Yeah. They better have better something. And a bag that I have to carry looks like Ron Weasley or something.

Like, I'm getting like a... Yeah, that's crazy. Look how uncomfortable this looks for her to hold yeah and it probably doesn't even have anything in it yet that's just wild i oh man i love it buy it for research purposes absolutely not absolutely not so anyway according to this particular writer big logos are out but according to this particular writer batega veneta is like a thing that should exist so i don't know we'll see this is clearly an industry that i just do not do not understand and i can tell you we have done some experimentation with like really high-end materials like we'd love to do like a more luxury version of some of our products but this is this is not reflective of the difference in cost and like our if we do a

luxury materials version of a product, it will cost more because they do. But this is not reflective. I will say that much. Yeah. The funny thing about this is I have actually read, read up about like fashion, like designer brand, like premium brand, luxury brand marketing. And a big part of it is the price being high. Like that's actually

a good thing for the kinds of shoppers who follow this scene, who care about this scene. The more outlandishly expensive it is, the more of a statement it is that you don't give any f**ks and you can just throw money at a fancy pillow-shaped garbage bag like that's the point it's a feature not a bug and i think to to most people it's just kind of mind-blowing seven thousand dollar luxury ltt backpack except they remove the straps you just have to carry it. Yeah, it improves grip strength by 60% in just three weeks. Oh, my goodness. Oh, no. That would be funny.

Yeah. Do we have any other topics? I don't know. I mean, we do. We do. Should we? I don't know. I'll tell you what.

I'll let you do it. No. I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it either. Oh. This one? Which one? This one?

We could do that one. I don't want to do that. Oh, I can do that. You can do the other one. What's the other one? I'll do that one if you'll do the other one. No, quick agree before you look at the other one. Oh, I don't want to do that one either.

Bell, give us a couple couple merch messages while we work up the noive over here. First question here is from Mars. Are y'all still playing any Steam Deck or any other Windows handhelds? And if so, what games? I finally started Witcher 3. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I'm not that far into it yet because

I've been really busy with house stuff. I want this. I want the place. I want basically, here, instead of trying to use words, I'm going to just, I'm going to go like this. I want it to feel... Then I can play video games.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm just, I haven't, I've played almost no games. Not quite there yet. Yeah, it's not, it's not there yet. It's getting there though, right? It is. It's getting it's getting pretty good it is okay i have a pool update oh six weeks what till usable i mean i don't believe it but yeah that's what they say it's still fun

to hear yeah anytime you hear any estimated date for anything being done it's just wrong just double it if it is actually done on october the 21st that's potentially still usable to a degree you want to go you want to go first one with me i'm down all right let's do it let's do it we skinny dipping i don't know about that you didn't say no convince linus to play morrowind on the steam deck i don't think so he couldn't convince me to play morrowind on a keyboard and mouse i don't think i tried i tried to play it it's a hard game to go back to yeah you you told me it was great and i was like i'll give it a shot because i loved oblivion and it was rough it's a hard game yeah it was like not fun yeah yeah doesn't have a quest log yeah lots it doesn't have a lot of like modern niceties and uh things that make it easy to

use it's still like it's still an old school rpg it's it's rough all right bell hit us next question here is from rohan hello linus and luke what's an activity or experience that you've wanted to try together but haven't yet can you do thing in a pool i mean let's do it i uh i now i'm the prude he invited me to the naked steam room on our japan trip and i didn't go that was a good experience actually i hung out with uh one of the engineers from omron and it was like so awkward at first but he clearly didn't feel awkward about it at all and eventually that like him being very clear about like dude this is just normal everything's fine i'm talking to you about like random engineering stuff eventually i like kind of got it and then i stopped caring and it was it was yeah just you stop that part is irrelevant

eventually yeah and you just enjoy the the warm water and hanging out. Yep. Literally. Hang in now. Um, yeah, I mean, I don't know.

We kind of like, we've done a lot of stuff together. Yeah. There's stuff I'd be stoked to, but I don't think there's anything. I was actually going to say skydiving as well. Yeah, it'd be fun to go together,

but like. But I, yeah. Yeah. I think we're saying the same thing yeah yeah next question here is from nathan i really want an oled gaming monitor but i'd like to stay around 27 inches it seems like everything oled is much bigger unless it's a phone or tablet which is much smaller is there a reason why okay so my understanding is the way the mother glass works for panel production is there's certain sizes of mother glass. That's how you get bigger and bigger TVs is they make larger and larger mother glass. And at each size, there's an optimal subsize that you can cut out of it to maximize the yields of completed displays.

And OLED, because the producers of them are focused on either handheld devices or on large format TVs, are simply not producing mother glass that is yielding well enough for those sizes to be economically viable that is that is my understanding of where we're at they are getting smaller the 42 inch lgc2 and the monitors that are based on that same panel we have a video coming out soon we have two videos coming out soon actually we have two videos pending release of me upgrading my monitor out soon actually we have two videos pending release of me upgrading my monitor because i upgraded to the c2 the 42 inch one because the 48 was just a little big for gaming for me and then immediately i came back to the office for wanshow like the day i had shot the upgrade and i was like the asus version of this it's a proper monitor with display port is right there

yeah i was with you no i want that one yeah so there will be a second video where i change over to the asus one which has a matte display display port uh it's more it's more computer monitor optimized like it has a fixed brightness mode that you can put it in so it doesn't dynamically play around with the brightness um anyway but the point is that they're at 42 inches now and I think we'll continue to see that go down I was muted classic me I own a Steam Deck and I want to emulate Zelda Breath of the Wild on it but I don't know how to make a ROM for it one of these days I'll find out how to word it so you can't do that but I don't know how to make a ROM for it. One of these days I'll find out how to word it so you can't do that.

But I don't know how to make a ROM for it. If someone I know gives me a copy of the ROM is it piracy even though we both own the game physically? That is a wonderful question. The answer is yes. Is that stupid? Also yes. In order to not pirate

according to the law, you must, you must, you must rip the file yourself. Now, with that said, personally, I stopped bothering to rip my Blu-rays a long time ago because someone else can spend their time doing that. And as long as I have a physical media backup for my digital copies of things that I own, ethically, I see no problem. But legally, which is not necessarily the same thing as ethically, legally, you would be in the wrong. Sorry, did I say piracy?

I meant privateering. Next question here is from Zane. Have you used your LTT backpack when riding your bike? And if so, what's your experience using it? I'm considering getting it for riding myself as 50% of my current bag is taken up by my sneakers. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've used it on the

bike. It's, I mean, obviously something that I do, I ride a motorcycle. So it was something that, um, as we were, as we were tweaking the, like the strap spacing and the strap design, it was something that I would like notice if it didn't work with motorcycle gear or whatever else I, I find it quite comfortable with that said, you know, we don't make any claims of like perfect waterproofness or anything like that. So if your intention is to ride around in the rain, you will still need a rain cover for it. But in terms of utility, no problems.

Questionnaire from Connor. How do the both of you maintain a healthy relationship all these years working together? I mean, L word, I guess. Like the important one, Linus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, no, I mean, Luke and I have been,

once you've been through this much together, you just- I feel strongly the same way. Yeah. I don't know if this is a controversial take or not. I think, in my opinion, a lot of things in life need challenge and difficulty to become strong. Almost whatever that thing is. Yeah.

We went through a ton of crap, especially early on. Yeah. And when you do that and you get through the other side. And we've been imperfect to each other at many times. Totally. You're going to be. It's going to happen. If you do that and you get through the other side, I feel like you're either going to be

like linked together or completely apart forever. Yeah. One of the two and you figure it out. Yeah. I think that's just, I don't know. Maybe we had times when we were both so dependent on each other that we didn't really have a choice. And then I guess you just, you know, you're forged in that fire. Yeah, I just don't think there's, I have a hard time imagining anything that could come between us at this point

that would be enough to really break things down. It's been particularly funny watching some of the speculation about how uncomfortable you are around me or how you're afraid to tell me what you think or whatever else. Some expert body language analysis to do on the WAN show.

There's been some interesting stuff you do you um bravo it's entertaining reading but it's like the Forbes article it's reading so I was talking to you about that wasn't I reading the Luke science was was entertaining I was like oh wow I didn't know that that's cool there. There was also, there was one, there's a bunch of people pointing out one specific scene where they're like, oh, he rolled his eyes here so hard. I didn't roll my eyes. Oh, really? I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if you did. So I have, yeah, and I've done it before.

I mean, if he's afraid to like, to offend me, then rolling his eyes on camera when I'm going to be able to see him do it, probably a bad strat. Yeah, yeah. I have a problem right now. I've talked about it on my show before where I look down too much.

My angle gets a little brutal because the desk for me is a little low and the laptops are pretty short. So I end up looking like this and I'm supposed to be close to the mic. So I end up looking like this all the time. And you can't really see my eyes. So I've been trying to work on that. I think this show was a little bit better but it's still a

problem i'm often interacting with flow plane chat so i have a bit of an excuse um but i was looking down and then i wanted to quickly think about a response that would be really good yeah so i looked up and then i looked at you i didn actually, my eyes didn't do the, they went, there are other parts of that video where I rolled my eyes. Oh, I believe it. But the one that people pointed out wasn't even it. If he was going to roll his eyes,

he would do it to my face. Yeah. I think that might be part of it as well, actually. We've both always been pretty open and blunt about stuff so we always know where each other stand yeah and that's been good yeah i think maybe uncomfortable at times yeah maybe people haven't maybe people haven't seen it in a bit because i think we've also kind of mind melded a little over the years we used to disagree a lot more yeah and now we i think there's there's a long period of land show where we would basically just be like yeah bro

good take bro we played too much bro force yeah maybe they just haven't seen us like disagree hard and in a while something I mean daddy you're fighting I don't know how to deal with this JK 3 3 v3 RS asks are you at the level of fame where there is whenAN fan fiction? My brother in Christ,

let me tell you. Don't you have a... I have two Luke and Linus furry art paintings that I got for free from here. Let me put that out there. There's so many things wrong with this so far.

There's the existence of them. There's the fact that you need them. And there's the fact that they came from here. So every part of it. Yes, all of that. I find it hilarious. I have no problem with it. If I had one, it would be weird. If I had just one,

it would be very, very weird. So I have two. No, you're going to actually need to explain this more. So we have a giveaway pile where stuff goes to disappear. And one day I went and looked and there was a bunch of art. There was stuff from H3H3. There was pictures of Steve Brule from John C. Reilly for some reason. And then there were these two paintings of Luke and Linus.

They're pretty like... They're decent. Like it's painted really well. And it's like Luke... Are they like hand painted? You can actually see them on float plane in a video that you made that is actually one of my favorite

like exclusive videos where he goes on this big road trip to pick up a monitor. Yeah, I know the one. It's in kind of the beginning of that. Yeah, I say goodbye to the paintings. Yeah. I'm like goodbye to Luke and Linus and goodbye to Luke and Linus again. This is why I know the one. It's in kind of the beginning of that. Yeah, I say goodbye to the paintings. Yeah. I'm like, goodbye to Luke and Linus

and goodbye to Luke and Linus again. This is why I know, yeah. Yeah, I need people to realize that I don't just have Furry Art of My CEO on my wall. Oh, I do remember this. It was so good. Wait, you have two of the same one?

Well, of course. Okay, that's weird. I thought you meant two different ones. That is weird. Why would you need two of the same one? of course that's weird i thought you meant two different ones that is weird why would you need two of the same one different backgrounds too so i love that you're a bear it's a bear and a wolf combined that probably makes sense that's why i said i love that you're a bear why am i a goat though i mean okay i guess grace of all time beautiful that's amazing um so funny so yeah i don't know they were in the giveaway pile and you got give away to them yes okay all right to be clear um if you were the one who sent that it's not that i didn't think it

was super cool it's just i had no idea what to do with it and i wanted someone to have it and cherish it and apparently that someone is going to be bell and a warning if you look them up like if you go to the video and see their username they make very good art but it's very not safe for work so just be aware of that if you are looking at this artist. That makes sense. I never would have assumed that a furry artist would have not safe for work content

on their timeline. There's big money in that. Really? Like big money in that. Really? Yeah. Like we should invest big money in that. I mean, if you could,

it would probably be a profitable investment if you found a really good artist or whatever. What do you mean? But how do you invest in artists? Don't they just like do the art and then make the money? Yeah, and then make lots of money. Yeah. I have a friend who's an artist

and they don't do that type of stuff and they get commissioned for it all the time and like big money, but they don't do it. So like they have to turn down like big money all the time. where do people put it if you're me it's in your streaming room

okay but like that's not i've seen some x-rated furry artwork i i don't think it's twitch terms of service safe so like okay next next answer then on your computer i think a lot of it's digital oh oh okay i thought we were talking like big wall prints oh i mean i don't know that might also be i don't know like a lot about it but i just know there's big money there okay gremlin Injector says you commission stuff you think is cool And hang it around your house instead of prints from Comic Con I mean yeah fair enough But like I just I don't know

There's someone at Full Plane Chat Foxina Box The name makes me think this is probably true They say furry here With more than one Foxina Box But it could be both. That makes sense.

I mean, there's no capital I. It could be a double entendre. And there's a capital B. Okay. Furry here with more than one $1,000 piece of art. Okay. Where do you put it, though? I think it's digital.

Digital. And that's money. Huh. That's money, money. There's big money in this. It's crazy. It's very interesting to me modern modern professions man there's like a lot of it that people have just like never heard of

that are like very serious like big business stuff it's really interesting a lot of this digital stuff you don't need a storefront right so like if you're not looking for it you might just not know it exists but it's like it's a big thing i mean digital only okay i mean to be clear to be clear it's not like as a kid we wouldn't occasionally go to an acquaintance of my dad's house where they would have like actual pornography just like on the wall the common in people's like garages and shops back in the day yeah i guess so so i mean okay i guess in terms of being a norm, at least for some people, it's not new then. I've just, I personally, I have never been tempted to have anything other than like G-rated things hanging up in my house. Oh yeah, me neither. I have small children, which I don't know, maybe from some people's point of view doesn't matter i i just i just don't

i just don't really get it all right hit us with another one question here from john when traveling what kind of tech do you take with you oh a mountain of battery banks it's more what i take out i just take out anything that's going to get confiscated at the airport take out my screwdriver take out my other screwdrivers and like my, like my toolkits and stuff. I actually have like an away luggage that's pre-packed for two nights. So I literally, yeah, I'll just, I'll grab my backpack, which is going to have like a hoodie.

That's really important. It'll have my laptop, my charger, a battery bank or two. It'll have like my business card holder which i only carry around just i don't know ceremonially at this point i don't even think it has any cards in it um the mouse mouse pad for using my computer uh sunglasses uh oh i'll take a portable gaming device so it used to be the switch back when i traveled nowadays i would take an ioneo or a steam deck or something like that and then for my bag i actually pack super light i'll take i'll take a ratio of one pair of pants for every three days i'm going to be there um accepting things like uh like exercise

pants like i would take one of those for every time i intend to go out and exercise you're talking basically jeans when you're saying yeah yeah like jeans and then i take one shirt one underwear um for every day and then i would take actually And then I'd take one shirt, one underwear for every day. And then I would take... Actually, typically, I'll only take one pair of socks for every two days. Oh. Yeah, I know. I do a different thing on that.

Sandals. My socks don't get stinky. That's interesting. I would bring one pair of socks for every day plus one pair per week. Plus a pair per week because you'll do multiple pairs of socks sometimes depends on the situation but like i would often do like adventures along with the traveling right if i have some time off to go hiking if i get my socks wet yep you don't want to be hanging around in wet socks like i don't know it's just it's not good yeah that makes

sense sourbones says how do you reckon riding a motorcycle when it's so dangerous while having three young kids um you know i'm a defensive driver i um you know obviously yeah bad things can happen but i i enjoy it i'm not going to stop living my life because i have dependence you can boil that statement down to a pretty huge amount of things and just stop living. Yeah. How do you, how do you leave the house when it's so dangerous? Driving at all is super dangerous. Yep.

So yeah, I don't know. I just, that's, it's, it's above my threshold and my wife somehow lets me do it. So I'm going for it. Kibosky, sorry. Yeah, in a sec, Bill. Says, this is on floatplane chat, pack as if you're going to shit your pants every day. Okay, not everybody lives by that rule.

Bringing some extra stuff I think is a decent idea though, especially if you're going to go off the beaten path at all because you never really know what's gonna happen okay um yeah all right yeah i can stand by that motto by the way i'm the exact same thing so nervous what if yeah you know what if you do put your pants every day i like having excessive battery banks, enough clothes that I can get around comfortably. So usually I bring extra underwear, extra socks, because those are the things that get wonky. And extra ways to have water, basically. Make sure I got a water bottle. Question here from Tarl.

Luke, first of all, it's called halo infinite because the rollout is infinitely long hey got him boom roasted linus question for you why did you go with standard standardized workstations instead of using virtual machines because virtual machines just can be weird and buggy and sometimes especially with like product licensing uh there are there are lots of products that will uh spit out errors on virtual machines they just don't like it and sometimes it's just as simple as they want you to buy the much much more expensive version of their license that is built for virtual machines or whatever else yeah stupid forget it oh you're doing this hmm we know you're an enterprise exactly time to pay more last question here is from bad bones love watching the wan show did you guys have it right

username is bad bones 69 nice very nice did you guys happen to see that valve has just announced they've opened steam deck repair centers for decks that have damn that have been damaged even under have been damage covered under warranty, but I believe you do have to pay for damage, but there's a new repair center thing covered and partnered with iFixit. I did not see that. That's super cool though.

Cool. Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, for the vast majority of people, it's probably not that helpful unless they're everywhere, but if there's a way for independent shops to apply and become one of these then that's super cool this is the first i'm hearing of it though so i don't have a lot of other information yeah i won't have like a big take on this um all right the last thing i guess um queen elizabeth

the second has passed um i had some people call me out for being and I quote disrespectful for my comments on the live stream yesterday uh the simple truth of the matter is that the royal family means as little to me as any other random stranger um also she was 96 years old it wasn't exactly like a moment that shocked the world like uh the recent assassination of Shinzo Abe with that like DIY scattergun thing. And nobody expected me to comment on that. But I guess because he wasn't the ceremonial king of Canada, I know nobody wants me to say anything like to me, it just it doesn't have a ton of meaning. And I've had some people correct me and say, um, actually, the monarchy has a lot to do with Canada. Okay, so the way it works is yes, functionally,

the monarchy does play a role in our government. But if they ever actually tried to overstep their purely ceremonial role, there are mechanisms whereby we could just say, um, actually not that and cut them off. So functionally, they serve no role whatsoever. I also personally believe that the concept of a monarchy is dreadfully outdated. And you can you can quote me on that. Why should someone be born to be the ruler of some geographical plot of land any more than someone should be born to be a lawyer or born to be a plumber or a fisher or whatever. I believe that our goal as a functioning society should be to do everything in our power to improve social mobility. And perpetuating this idea of nobility and noble birth is entirely counterproductive to that goal.

Obviously, it is sad that someone's mother and someone's grandmother died. And it seems like she was kind of badass, like during World War Two and stuff. And she did some stuff that was pretty cool. So like, yeah, for the people who were close to her, that sucks. It's a bummer. But the truth is, I'm just not going to put on some theatrical grieving performance. She wasn't my grandma, or luke's grandma or the grandma of anybody that i know uh with all of that said where i was clearly a little bit tone deaf was that uh this seems now i i realize this is an emotionally charged issue for many people it wasn't my intention to disrespect you guys the many britons and other people for whom she represented something more than a fancy lady with a cool shiny hat.

That was not my intention at all. But I hope you will also take a moment to understand my perspective, which is that she is just a person, a human like anyone else. And that's it. I didn't know her. like anyone else and that's that's it i didn't know her i know practically nothing about any of this um just to echo linus's thing i guess uh if you want to hear a cool story look up uh queen elizabeth to driving uh prince it's an interesting story. Cool. Yeah. And I think that's it

for the show today. Okay. That's all. Thanks for watching. We will see you again next week. Same bad time and same bad channel. Bye.

Also, I did say it next week. It just got cut off. Last week, you mean? Did I say next week? You did. Well, I'm going to say it next week, too. Now I'm going to try and cut him off week you mean did i say next week you did well i'm gonna say it next week too now i'm gonna try and cut them off i already did no but like next weekまたね