The WAN Show - The State Of Gaming Is Terrible - WAN Show July 8, 2022

Episode Date: July 11, 2022

Make compliance easy with Kolide at: https://l.kolide.co/3aPeTTR Search and follow Setapp on Spotify to stay productive Try FreshBooks free, for 30 days, no credit card required at https://www.freshbooks.com/wan Timestamps: (Courtesy of SlickDeals - Note: Timestamps may be off due to change in sponsors) 0:00:00 - Introduction  0:02:15 - Ubisoft Online Multiplayer  0:16:22 - Microtransactions/Pay-To-Win/DLC  0:27:10 - New Merch Shirt  0:30:18 - YouTube Adult for Kids  0:34:00 - NVIDIA RTX 40 Series  0:40:28 - Facebook/Meta Quest 2  0:47:42 - Sponsors   0:50:04 - Rogers Wireless Down in Canada  0:53:22 - Nintendo Wide Care  1:00:00 - Deal of the Week  1:01:13 - Merch Questions  1:01:22 - Pushback from Nintendo  1:03:22 - High School E-Sports Teams 1:04:50 - Paint Recommendations for Porch?  1:06:15 - Worries about Linus' role as CEO if company becomes too big?  1:11:44 - Memorable or Best Parts of Floatplane (@Luke)?  1:14:22 - Overall Channel Health/Analytics?  1:16:06 - Quality Control and Channel Improvement at LMG?  1:20:55 - Why is Linus Wearing Shoes?  1:23:25 - Is Hackintosh Dead?  1:24:20 - Favorite LEGO Sets?  1:26:30 - YouTube Update to Comment Spam  1:30:22 - Blue Light Filtering Glasses? 1:31:17 - Update to spammer Linus called previously?  1:32:18 - What do you want to learn about GPU/CPU Design? 1:32:50 - Der8auer's CPU Contact Frame?  1:33:38 - LAB Updates  1:34:38 - LTT Whale LAN Event Details  1:38:15 - M2 Macbook Pro is Basically An M1  1:39:55 - Elon Musks Backs Out of Twitter  1:42:00 - Outro  1:42:40 - Hammer Update? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Now at Joe Fresh, get a free Marvel or Disney backpack or lunch bag when you spend $60 or more on children's apparel, while supplies last. Shop smart with one card and check everything off your back-to-school list all in one place. Conditions apply. See in-store or joefresh.com for details. Welcome to the WAN Show. We have a fantastic show lined up for you guys today with hot topics including ubisoft ubisoft they went so long without us having anything too negative to say about them the whole nft thing okay that was pretty bad well anyway it's even worse this week they're decommissioning online services for a number of their old games with no alternatives to be seen we'll be talking about that alongside just, I mean, I guess just the state of gaming in general.

You can't talk about games getting decommissioned without also talking about how much it costs to pay for these gaming experiences that are so, so fleeting. In other news, an M.2 MacBook Pro teardown confirms it is basically an m1 did i say m.2 you did an m2 macbook pro teardown confirms it's basically an m1 except you if you wanted to uh oh i don't know just reuse that chassis and change the logic board so we'll be talking a little bit

more about that later uh youtube is just randomly deciding that definitely adult content is actually for kids and it's flagging it for kids and it's giving it to kids so that's bad also nvidia is unable to back out of tsmc orders because actually yes your sales numbers were inflated by mining. Yes, they were. Yes, they were. Oh, and I'm going to have an update on the whole YouTube spam comment situation. I have been personally contacted by more than one YouTube employee about my comments from last week. So we'll be chatting about that as well.

Interesting. Why don't we jump right into our first topic? this was actually flagged for me by a viewer unfortunately i'm sorry i i i didn't save your tweet and i i forget which one it was but thank you they asked me whether i play ano 2070 because that's one of the games that ubisoft is decommissioning the online services for uh here's uh here's a quote here closing the online services for. Here's a quote here. Closing the online services for some older games allows us to focus our services on delivering great experiences for players who are playing newer

or more popular titles. And some of the ones that are being booted include Anno 2070, Assassin's Creed 2, 3, Brotherhood, Liberation HD, and Revelations, Far Cry 3, and Space Junkies. It's a lot more than that, too.

It is a lot more than that. Do you want to actually pull up? Oh, source Ubisoft. This topic definitely needs a look at the Ubisoft website because the notes are not complete. But yeah, you can kind of scroll through the games. I think you listed a lot of these first ones. Then there's Driver San Francisco, Ghost Recon Future Soldier, Prince of Persia Forgotten Sands, Rayman Legends, etc.

Now, we did some pre-show digging. We looked through some stuff. There's some oddities in here. I think what Ubisoft is really trying to communicate to people is that their own platforms are absolutely the worst. And if you ever want to play an Ubisoft game, you should play it anywhere else ever or just don't play an Ubisoft game. The reason for that, as you can dive through here and see all of this, if you scroll down to Splinter Cell Blacklist, there's something really interesting. If you look at what happens to PC, it says you are unable to play multiplayer,

link Ubisoft accounts in-game, or use online services. If you look at Splinter Cell Blacklist for console, it doesn't say you can't play multiplayer. That is a consistent theme throughout pretty much all of this. If the multiplayer is handled by consoles it's fine if it's handled by you play you can't do it anymore and that is trash and literally just means you're bad so stop doing it start putting your games on like steam or something and if you're going to decom something decom you play because it's garbage you are the worst one out of all of them give up worse than origin yes okay all right i mean what's what's what's what's what does you play do better than Because it's garbage. You are the worst one out of all of them. Give up. Worse than Origin? Yes. Okay.

All right. I mean... What does Uplay do better than Origin? Well... Download rates are faster on Origin. Yeah. Origin's actually stable. I don't think EA has decommed games off of it.

Origin, the platform, is better than EA games. Okay. Let me play devil's advocate here. Okay. Okay. If I am Ubisoft and I have specific infrastructure set up to run multiplayer for these games that functionally nobody is playing multiplayer. That takes borderline, no maintenance and essentially zero server space.

I'm trying to play devil's advocate. You're making it very difficult. I'm advocating for the devil. So you you gotta at least let me talk okay i have to maintain these online services that are specific to these to these games to these titles um functionally no one is playing them i mean who who is playing assassin's creed 2 multiplayer probably no one literally probably nobody is playing assassin's cre 2 multiplayer. I would argue there are alternatives. Okay. Can I

finish, Luke? I want to advocate for the devil here. Okay. I have a hard enough job as it is, without you interrupting constantly. Why wouldn't I take those resources and reallocate them? As a developer, as someone who leads a development team what is

pretty much the worst sorry really really immature what is literally the worst like anchor that drags back current development uh yeah like just code rot maintenance. Maintenance. Stuff like that. Maintenance. For sure. And are there potential security concerns with having these services running when they are not being maintained? Probably very minor ones, but probably yes. Probably. Okay, so Devil's Advocate, is it not in the best interest

of the current game player base that they discontinue these services for older games that nobody is playing the best interest that they don't do anything i'm advocating i don't think what am i supposed to do i don't think this is an extensive amount of work to be completely honest considering as far as i can tell the console maintainers just don't care at all because like if if ubisoft and we'll talk about uh not caring at all a little bit more later when we start talking about space junkies specifically uh but but if ubisoft is discon uh discontinuing support for multiplayer you think the consoles

would be like oh sweet we get to drop it too as far as i can tell they genuinely don't care because it is such a small amount of work. It is so small. It takes so little. There's even little things like, oh, the ability to download DLC is being turned off. Yeah. Why? Why? That's not a multiplayer feature.

I can almost understand the multiplayer stuff. No, I can definitely understand the multiplayer stuff more, right? There's more maintenance that goes into it. There's more of this other kind of stuff. This is just a file download. Okay, my devil's advocate hat is off. The answer is legislation that makes it so that the user owns the software. Because the fundamental problem right now is that when you buy a game,

you are not buying a copy of the game. You are buying a license to use the game, whatever state it happens to be in. And that's the way that the software industry as a whole has managed to slowly but surely push things because it gives them a much greater degree of control if i was someone who was super into ano 2070 for example and i wanted to play multiplayer ano darn it my only option now is to either play an older game from back when there were alternate multiplayer options and it is possible i actually don't know i haven't tried multiplayer ano 2070 it's possible there is a land multiplayer although i wouldn't be surprised if there isn't i will say i you and i come at you or something you and i have both played ano a fair amount at this point

i've played a lot less than you but still you have exposed to me that the ano developers seem to be quite beloved by the community yeah they, they care. People like them. Very not interesting if you know that, but I think a lot of people that don't play Anno don't know that, is Ubisoft mains, the studio behind Anno, are working on upgrading the aged online services infrastructure to a new system. They're not guaranteeing that it's going to be successful, but it is not surprising to me and makes me quite happy that like the ano team is like oh geez we should try to save this so the problem is that publishers are basically in control they're they are creating these situations where your only option is to either play an older one that supported land multiplayer which you could then play over the internet using a service like hamachi or something better or whatever else now or something i don't know some something like that some kind of some kind of vpn

yeah um or you're pushed to buy the new one the the newer one that gets them more money because as we know gaming has gone from a product that you buy and then you own service to a service that you buy and then you own to a service that you are expected to continue to pay for. And if you think that this is the only manifestation of that, I mean, we need to look no further than that tweet I sent out earlier this week about Diablo Immortal. I don't think we're ready for this yet. We'll talk about that soon. But first, the solution to this is pretty straightforward, but it would require a grassroots movement that i just i don't see any foreseeable path to because a lot of these games that are going to die because

of this don't have huge player bases so it's not it's not it's not throwing anyone up in arms exactly this will be one of those things where slowly silently gaming will have changed completely we're going to wake up one day and we're going to go, holy crap, I want to play that game from 10 years ago that I loved. And there is literally no way to play it and enjoy it with my friends or my children because it has been wiped from the face of the earth. What we need is legislation that forces these companies to, if they are not going to maintain it, we can't force them to maintain it. I mean, that's fair enough, right? Fine, you released this product and we bought it and

ultimately, you know what, you can't maintain the service for it anymore. Okay, but if there's a community that is willing to put the effort in or the resources into it, they need to open source it then. It's that simple. You must either maintain the tools or release the tools. Yeah, yeah. Like Supcom, right? Yep.

Super, super cool. I also think I would like to make a note here. There's a lot of things we have to talk about, but I'll talk about this very shortly. My family, like my brother, my dad, and I, and Joe, actually, have been playing this game called snow runner uh my dad's super into it that's really cool the multiplayer is rough there are

often disconnects and if you disconnect you you lose all your progress from that section that one player just loses every because you go all the way back to the garage and it's a trucking game um and it's like man if i could just host this server on my local computer yeah this probably wouldn't be a problem but we have to go through server and ovh or something sure yeah if i have some way to control this this won't actually be a problem and that makes it so there's less maintenance and stuff for the companies to actually do in a lot of situations i think dedicated servers are the are the are the option and the answer in in these cases but moving on you just talked about not being able to play a game that's 10 years old yeah now we have to talk about space junkies right space junkies

is three years old is being decommed right now it is not highly rated i don't think a lot of people play it but it's a multiplayer only online vr game from 2019 that is getting decommed there's some other interesting things as well about this. If you look at the decomm list and you find Space Junkies. This is that game that I tried that made me absolutely nauseated in like 30 seconds. I've been trying to figure out what freaking game it was because I've talked about it before.

Whenever I talk about nausea in VR, I'm like, yeah, I'm usually pretty good, but there was this one awful game I played it drops you at least this was the okay if this is the one it dropped me right into the game with an open mic and everyone else had an open mic so it was literally like going back to original Xbox days of just children shrieking into your ears for no reason like there was no obvious way to turn it off at least quickly i think i did figure it out eventually um yeah if this is the game i think it is then it's a f***ing awful game yeah um and anyway carry on on here if you if you look at the list did you notice how all these things have like screen

like okay yeah sure splinter cell blacklist it shows pc and then consoles right there's two different things happening there's a pc happening there's a console happening space junkies it only shows pc hdc vive and oculus i think they maybe forgot that space junkies came out for ps4 um so i have no idea what's happening to Space Junkies for PlayStation VR. Because, like, they don't list it. So maybe you'll still be able to play it on PS4. What I do know, pretty much for sure, is they're decomming it for PC, right? Except you can still buy it for $27 on the Ubisoft store. They're decommissioning it in like, what is it?

Like two months or something? Wow. It's still purchasable. 27 bucks. Why? Oh, so much of this is just so annoying. And to be clear, if you enjoy Space Junkies, maybe you have a different opinion than I do.

That's fine. That's super cool. That's super cool. That's super normal. And this sucks for you. And this sucks because if they were forced to make the tools available, at least if you and some friends wanted to get together and play some Space Junkies old school style, you'd still be able to. Now, this experience, however good or bad it was, is gone. And you might not care right now, but there's releases in here.

Like Far Cry 3. Far Cry 3 is a really legendary game. You might think right now of the Far Cry series being extremely cookie cutter. It became cookie cutter off of the success of Far Cry 3. Far Cry 3 was so successful that they're like, we're just going to make this game for 10 years. And they're making it so that you can't download or install DLC. Like, no, I'm not sitting here thinking that

a ton of people are playing Far Cry 3 multiplayer. But I do think that someone might feel nostalgic about Far Cry 3 down the line and want to go back and play it with all the DLC, and now they can't. The bottom line is that the games industry has just consolidated to the point where I feel like it's so difficult for a small independent studio to compete and the large players are so focused on how to extract the greatest amount of money possible from their audience that there's no room for anything else.

These smaller niche experiences, no matter how little they cost to continue to maintain, are just not even worth the time of bringing up to an just to present the tiny budget that is required for it so it just gets cut and i you know this finally does come back to the the tweet that i posted earlier this week where i said something along the lines of i mean it's probably easier to just pull it up at this point something along the lines i've got it actually oh you got it too okay no i don't whoops there you go gaming may be poo now but as gamers at least we can take comfort knowing it's all our fault and the thing that prompted this thought for me was that diablo immortal is bringing in allegedly this is from Ars Technica, so it's not exactly some random crap

website, allegedly over a million dollars a day in microtransactions. And it's like, as long as we lie down and take it, it's a third of a billion dollars a year,

it's never going to stop and i've seen i've seen man the kinds of the kinds of conversations that took place in the replies to this tweet i'd wish i i wish i could unread because they're just come on guys like the amount of gatekeeping oh well mobile well, mobile games are ruining everything. Or this is mobile gamers are not true gamers. And just all that kind of nonsense. It's like, no, no, no. Gamers as a whole are allowing this change to happen. We've been slowly boiled.

We're frogs, guys. It started with horse armor. And now you literally will hear true gamers, real gamers, you know, whatever gatekeepy term you want to use for it. You'll hear them say, well, as long as it's just cosmetic, it's totally fine. I'm super into it. Don't you remember how outrageous it was for a developer to ship a game that wasn't done yet and make you pay piecemeal for the rest of the pieces of it later don't you remember and i i don't i'm some partially against that argument okay compared to a lot of what we've got now where you've got pay to win mechanics that people are just like okay with the the weird fanboys defending lost ark's pay to win

was was a interesting thing to witness but you gotta remember there's this is an entire generation of people who grew up with this what the f**k are pokemon cards if not pay to win and it's and and gambling yeah from the very start i mean my childhood my childhood had pay to win gambling as an integral part of it yeah so no wonder we accept this now yeah yeah i i think you talked about cosmetics and and i don't like being able to buy cosmetics i've talked about that a lot on wayne show because i would rather cosmetics be a reward for in-game accomplishment um but in some games like i would argue league of legends like if you want to make league of legends free how else are you going to monetize it i don't mind cosmetics and honestly actually i kind of do because they're getting to the point

where i can't recognize champions anymore i don't play league of legends enough every once in a blue moon i'll jump in with some friends and something will attack me i'll be like who the heck is this and i'll assume it's a champion that came out after i quit playing and then i'll be like oh no that's a champion i've known for 10 years but couldn't recognize it because now they're a fire god demon and i'm just like what is this yeah that was a big problem for me with tf2 I was super into TF2. And then along came hats. And not just hats, but all of a sudden, there were these infinite different variations of weapon loadouts when the beauty of TF2

was that it was perfectly balanced. Voice orders, yeah. Absolutely perfectly balanced. And every class was so just perfectly instantly recognizable maybe that's something we should do at the land we should play tf2 classic vanilla tf2 yeah vanilla tf2 no no hats i'd be super into that no modded weapons mostly just because i want to play tf2 i have heard from people that are like still into tf2 these days that they like those weapons because there's you can effectively make new classes by doing specific right that

unbalances the game that's the whole problem with it the game so fine fine have your modded server with your crap other classes and don't make me play it yeah it'd be it'd be cool if there was like vanilla servers i wonder if there are i don't know there might it. Yeah, it'd be cool if there was like vanilla servers. I wonder if there are. I don't know. There might be. People are saying it's still balanced. I mean, it might be. I have no idea.

Sure. This is great. Over in the float plane chat says, I actually had my nephew complain today that a mobile game didn't have a cash skin shop. Yeah. I mean, that's what we're used to now and that's where it's going blaming mobile gaming alone blaming mobile gaming alone is missing the point i mean compared to a franchise like fifa yeah that too yeah i mean there's huge money that goes into fifa whatever it's called, Ultimate Team or whatever. I don't, I don't. But remember Halo?

Like, people were angry about the cash shop in Halo. And I read it all wrong. Because people were originally, stuff that I read about their anger about the cash shop was how expensive things were. And that already for me is just like,

dude, just don't buy it. Like, why is this even a conversation? This is literally not an essential item. Yeah you the option of just not buying it i mean just don't buy i the the best way to like get angry and protest this is to not buy it but clearly gamers as a as a whole have proven themselves at this point to be incapable of doing that yeah and the thing that i didn't understand about it was it wasn't just that it was expensive people wanted more they were unhappy that there wasn't enough stuff and i was like you want you want more things in the cash shop and and people were like livid about there not being enough stuff in the cash

shop i was it was so confusing and then this this subreddit that i thought was complaining about the fact that there like was a cash shop or or that it how how expensive and stuff that it was would start pinning the weekly things that were in the cash shop at the top of the subreddit this isn't microsoft doing this this is the community encouraging people to buy from the cash shop at the top of the subreddit this isn't microsoft doing this this is the community encouraging people to buy from the cash shop which is like whoa like i i don't remember my friends encouraging each other to buy legal legend skins you know what i mean yeah like that it's just it's so weird to me and like i i i ended up following more into the the like the depths of trying to figure out why people were trying to defend lost ark being a pay-to-win game even though it like

clearly is and i started looking into it and people were getting frustrated that there was caps on how much they could spend right but the caps were like huge amounts of money. And they were like, that's frustrating. I want to spend more. I have a daily cap on how much I can spend. This is BS. What is happening? What is going on? Yeah, I don't know.

I have chats with my son and actually my daughters too now that they're getting into gaming more that goes, you know, what is this? Does this exist in the real world no do we spend money on this no okay cool yeah i i have stuff i have bought cosmetics like i i bought rocket league for like four dollars i think it's fair million years ago up to up to uh up to a reasonable sticker price for a game somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 to 100 i think is fair and i have no problem to a point with dlc as long as it's i mean and again maybe it's just a generational thing as long as the dlc is styled after something along the lines of an expansion pack it's adding substantial content then

absolutely exactly like i have i have oh man i've spent like probably 150 on um on ano dlc but every time it's like adding an entire new like biome that you can explore and like new characters and new missions and stuff that clearly wasn't actually part of the original game like we've talked about this before too like i don't feel like i need a new ano no more stuff to do more things to explore more new mechanics stuff like that sounds great i don't need like new graphics or it to be set in a different environment i mean it is there was the arctic one yeah so like yeah i mean i don't need a new ano that's fine just give me more dlc stuff every once in a while beat saber dlc is another example of what i would consider to be good dlc content you licensed songs you actually like did work making new maps and and stuff and i have no

problem with that whatsoever you want to talk about cash shops and adding skins what about twitch bits yeah we've i think we've unanimously always said twitch bits are crazy yeah don't don't put don't use them don't give us twitch don't give us twitch bits why why are you why are you giving twitch like what is it like this wasn't the the gotcha that i think you thought it was um we we lit we literally tell our viewers hey don't send super chats on youtube do not cheer anything we made it so that you get that part for free and you also get merch We made merch messages So that you can just

You can interact with the show And you also get your order in the mail It's not just nothing You actually get something Yeah So like I was talking about Rocket League I bought it for like $4 And then I ended up playing it like crazy

So I bought some skins I bought a season pass at one point i i put money in that i thought was highly appropriate for the amount of time that i played the game and then they were bought out by epic and then i stopped yeah like whatever that was the thing when it was like insomniac games or whatever it was before i was like yeah this is a small studio i want to support i really like this game i really like that there's like this competitive but like extremely family friendly it's literally just cars driving around game that is able to make it like that's cool i want to support this so yeah why not speaking of the merch store if you are looking for something to order today if you want to send a merch message to appear in the little marquee down

there or maybe get curated so that we can address it maybe maybe bell will choose you today we've actually got a new shirt we just launched and it is freaking awesome I wish we'd had the camera rolling in the pre-show when Luke was like

unpacking it from these really awesome bags by the way did you notice this in the pre-show when Luke was like unpacking it from these really awesome bags, by the way. Did you notice this? I didn't actually notice that. I thought that was just like generic. I am not a plastic bag. 100% biodegradable. That's cool. Yeah. That's legit. Really cool. We're working towards

It feels exactly like a plastic bag. That's why it needs the label. We're working towards better, more environmentally friendly packaging. I even thought the tag was pretty cool there's no way you're gonna be able to see this unfortunately yeah it says rgb edition rgb collection all right yes sorry so maybe there's more coming in the future don't know it's called the multi-nep t-shirt i know that's a really sort of boring um technical name for it but what it basically means is there's these little flecks of different colors that are woven into the base color which is kind of like an off-white it's got an LTT logo

embroidered in the front and it is both extremely comfortable and in my opinion super cool looking I've actually gotten more comments on this particular piece of merch than most other ones you should get down to this photo so people can really see it did i think i already saw that one oh did you already see it yeah that one was okay my bad yeah we've got a cool little rainbow liner inside the neck to go along with the like rgb rgb collection theme of it and again all this is also in my humble opinion it is very very reasonably priced $24.99 it is a fair bit more expensive than our regular blank t-shirts it's a bit more of a complicated product and it took a long time to get exactly right but it looks really really fun

and cool in my opinion i'm so tired of wearing black t-shirts So this little splash of color In my wardrobe is extremely Welcome Why don't we jump right into another topic You want to pick one? Sure let's jump over Should we talk about the million dollars a day thing More or just

No It's equivalent of like 2 million subscribers to an to an mmo yeah wow 15 bucks a month that's a lot like wow so because i the reason why i wanted to bring that up is like you're comparing business models right yeah crazy and like people are proud of it like there's twitch streamers that were showing on stream this is how much money i've spent so far and it was like a counter so as they were playing and they're spending more money it was constantly going up and like people were watching like that was a hype point people were watching because they want to like effectively see the number go up

which is definitely helping people not do that. Okay, moving on. Your content, it's actually for kids, says YouTube. YouTube's AI is doing some really fun, cool things. There's a channel called Local58TV that found that his explicitly 18 plus horror content was suddenly changed to made for kids and he was unable to change it back without going through an appeal process the video was labeled as inappropriate for kids manually by

him before it was changed by youtube it took nearly 40 hours from when the creator went public on twitter so so much for the uh standard appeal process with his complaint for the change to be reverted why youtube would automatically lower the age range for content as anyone's guess especially when youtube kids is supposed to be this like kind of like safe content safe space for kids although supposed to be manually curated like youtube kids the whole idea because back in the day there was already that problem with those weird like really weird like spider-man elsa things yeah yeah so they were supposed to fix it after that uh clearly not a thing what garbage i don't know what else to say about it other than that i mean it's this isn't just harmful to the to the platform and the user this is extremely harmful to the creator on the one this is extremely harmful to the creator

on the one hand you can get a ton of views in youtube kids because you've just got these like zombie children some of which don't even know how to use the phone just staring at whatever the next auto play just comes up yeah well their parents cook dinner or sleep in on a weekend or whatever the case may be and so you can rack up a ton of views. But if your video is getting served to the wrong audience, it can actually be extremely damaging because if it will increase abandonment from the video, which can derank you. So other creators like Your Movie Sucks have also been affected. And without any kind of manual fix for something like that, which I sincerely doubt they would have, this could result in long-term damage to their channel, which raises

lots of interesting questions. Like, I don't think anyone's ever actually been able to prove that Google delisted them or deranked them but if they could does that open does that open them up to a potential lawsuit could you sue for damages yeah I think I think I would be very interested yeah I don't know because what what recourse

is there for a parent who's been assured that YouTube kids is all family friendly content and then there's 18 plus horror content which like could actually like really mess with a small child depending on what it is um i don't know that's spooky i i i'm assuming they're trying to stop ad abuse uh because i think you get more lucrative ads if you make content that isn't for kids or if you flag it as not for kids, but then it starts like trending with kids. I think you get better ads on it.

So I think they're trying to stop that. But in trying to stop that, they served horror content to children. Yeah, but like, I mean, okay, here's a question. What difference does it make if you do allow your content to be viewed by adults if you want to pull it out of YouTube Kids? It just means you will get less views to kids.

Okay. I don't really see why they wouldn't just allow you to do that then. Yeah. Very frustrating. really see why they wouldn't just allow you to do that then yeah very frustrating in other news nvidia how bad do you feel for them right now not at all i think it's hilarious nvidia had ordered five nanometer wafers from tsmc before crypto winter hit what that means is that while nvidia and amd let's be clear neither of them is some kind of white knight no savior for gamers here no they're giant corpus at all they will sell gpus to whoever is most profitable to sell gpus to it's that. And we saw it proven over the last couple of years, both of them. So it's pretty amusing for us now to see that they forecasted their five nanometer wafer production

or their wafer allocation with TSMC based on the kinds of volumes that they were moving, selling to miners. And NVIDIA has already been fined for not properly disclosing what percentage of their sales were the result of the GPU mining craze. And NVIDIA, it's really funny. They've gone, they flip-flopped on the issue. They've gone from,

we know exactly where every one of our chips goes to, well, we have no way of knowing how many of them are being mined on versus game. Oh, you so do. You so do. Miners do not do not install geforce now for instance so you would know if your sales triple and your geforce now instances go up by 10 that probably some of it went to mining i would think right right nvidia you can do data analysis right and as much as i tried to get people to not install g-force now because of all the telemetry crap i'm sure the vast majority of

people do so that's convenient i like it anyway the point is nvidia um booked five nanometer wafers with tsmc before they realized that their sales were going to go... Which means that the upcoming RTX 4000 series GPUs could have a very good supply. Extremely good supply, potentially, to the point where NVIDIA was trying to back out of a pretty significant amount of the wafers as far as i can tell or else i don't think this would be in the news um they they tsmc just straight up was like nope they are apparently unwilling to make any major concessions they have agreed oh i think this this has got to be allegedly i'm not actually sure if this is confirmed so i'm just going to say allegedly because i'm not double-checking it.

But they've apparently agreed to delay first shipments by one quarter or even to Q1 2023. But if NVIDIA wants to bail on any of these orders, they will apparently be responsible for finding replacement customers. Our discussion question. This is funny. Our discussion question is, who could NVIDvidia find to take their

orders well let's see there's intel's gpu which as far as we can tell so far is an absolute dumpster fire intel isn't going to need any more of those um wait is that even no is that even on tsmc 5 nanometer i don't even think so tsmc 5 5 nanometer. I mean, there's the upcoming iPhone, but isn't Apple actually forecasting a reduction in demand as well? So Apple probably has as much, if not more allocation than they need. I know Samsung is sitting on apparently

piles of smartphones, like way more than they usually would be because of the weakening of demand heading into what appears to be a potential global economic recession um yeah i don't know i don't know i don't think anyone's really gonna be clamoring at the bit to bail them out be clamoring at the bit to bail them out yeah okay uh humboldt to f over on twitch says automakers that's a good question but actually no that's exactly it automakers don't need that kind of performance so they don't operate on the cutting edge node they don't even operate a node or a couple of nodes back unless their name is maybe tesla is on

i was gonna say modern there might be some like really expensive automated driving cars yeah but that was a whole that was a whole drama around the whole automotive chip shortage where chip foundries were telling the automakers hey you guys got to update your crap because we can't keep these ancient manufacturing processes running. Like this is actually not feasible. We can't ramp up more of this garbage. You guys need to redo your designs on modern nodes so that we can take advantage of the economies of scale

at these modern nodes that everything else is freaking running on. And I mean, of course, the smaller transistors and smaller chip sizes and better power efficiency, like, guys, get with the program. So, no, they would be the last ones to step in and take over 5 nanometer

production. Dandrack says drone manufacturers? No, not even close. 5 nanometer! They don't need it. Yeah. Yeah? not even not even five nanometer they don't they don't need it um yeah yeah new nintendo switch asks whiffs but i mean that would probably be awesome a nintendo switch with five nanometer performance and power efficiency i'm super down nintendo enjoys releasing on last generation's uh last generation's a low performance yeah fair enough hardware yeah i don't think so flying crocodile says amd yeah but you gotta understand amd probably has the same

overbooking issue the exact same problem whatever is being reported about nvidia almost certainly applies to amd as well like there's well yeah cheap chips for gamers we're saying data centers but data centers would buy completed products yeah yeah yeah they're gonna buy the gpus they're gonna buy whatever they're not gonna buy the the wafers because these are these are they're trying to sell wafers they're not sellingers They're selling fab capacity Right? That's really expensive Yeah It's rough That is rough

Something that isn't rough If we want to transition off this topic No more Facebook account requirement For Quest 2 We literally talked about this on last WAN show. And apparently they heard this podcast and no one else has complained. Did I say good guy Facebook? Finally.

Yeah, I mean, it's a good thing. It's a good thing. I don't think they did it out of the kindness of their hearts. it's a good thing it's a good thing i don't think they did it out of the kindness of their hearts i don't think this was a a good guy move as much as they saw it to be a logical necessity moving forward because there's some really weird things like if you're a company and you want to set something up with with uh i was gonna say oculus but if you want to set something up with the meta quest it's such a terrible name um you have to set up like facebook accounts with real people's names and assign them to those headsets that's really weird

because it has to be like a verifiable name or you have to like trick them with something that sounds realistic which is what as far as i know most like uh corporate outfits are actually doing uh but it just it just it gets very odd and yes you can buy whatever the enterprise one as if most corporations are actually doing that if they're if they're small if you're like some giant massive corporation sure but if you're some small corporation you're gonna go uh no i'm gonna buy the cheaper one and fake a facebook account and make it work that way. Well, plain chat is so mad. They're like, no. Lapse memory says, that's like saying good job to Thanos for adopting a child whose parents he just murdered.

Whoa. And they point out that even though you no longer need a Facebook account, you do still need a meta account. Which is owned by Facebook. Let's go. That helps a little bit. still need a meta account which is owned by facebook let's go um that it that that helps a little bit i mean it's it is better um because you don't have to necessarily like tie it to a public facebook account that like has your name and everything on it which is whack you can link your meta account to facebook and instagram if you want um so that's that's real cool hope you're

stoked about that um oculus account users will be able to continue using that account until january 2023 then you will need to move to a meta account and a meta horizon profile i heard that's the new meta to continue using the meta vr device with your meta blah blah blah hate it hate it so much join the metaverse um as of now many users attempting to log in via facebook have faced issues um some people reactivating counts these requests to have met have been met with instant suspension it's nice oh boy when we owned our software we talked about that earlier yeah remember when we owned our hardware beverage farms remembers um yeah then there's some notes about how meta's next vr headset might be called the quest pro uh the name was found in code from meta's oculus

mobile app uh code name project cambria which is what i've heard of yeah has been shown off already and could be quest pro and could have full color path pass through capability depth sensors yada yada some people are estimating the final retail price to be 800 to 1000 usd which sounds expensive unless they are fully planning on maintaining previous products along with this one right if they're discontinuing previous products it's too expensive they're not going to launch it at that yeah um but if quest 2 and quest pro exist simultaneously yes probably fine then i could see it i gotta tell you i don't think that i'm going to be able to go to inside out tracking if valve goes inside out i think i might just have to keep my i might just have to keep my index forever unless it gets wildly better yeah i well one of

the things that it doesn't work very so for one thing when you are swinging your arms around really fast and a lot sometimes they can be easily carried outside of what can be tracked conveniently from a head-mounted device and number two is that because when i stream bead saber i put on full body trackers i i don't i don't see any way that you would manage that with inside out tracking not with the tech we have currently um but it may not be feasible to even continue to compete with meta uh in the space like i i was looking at the market they even are i was looking at the market share numbers and it's like not even on the same yeah there's a note in here that says is meta going to take over the vr space they already have like it's they i hope valve keeps bothering or someone else keeps bothering i mean there are other niche high-end headsets there was one that we were talking about on

wanshow i think a couple weeks ago or a few weeks ago that looks amazing but it's what it was like two grand or three grand or something stupid like that yeah i when i like pissed off the whole world um so i think it was around eight years ago when i like pissed off the whole world um so i think it was around eight years ago when i said that vr wasn't going to take off for five to ten years i don't know if you remember that um and then it took about five to ten years and then it took off so that was pretty cool um but i i think the the like first jump was uh the the quest 2 because that was really big right especially when you mean the first quest uh the first quest was oh you're saying the the quest 2 is it is the jump it hit it hit pretty mainline there oh i see yeah i mean other other companies tried samsung had that

weird like thing you could put your phone in that was dumb that was super dumb i hated that that just made people think vr was bad um but yeah with with quest 2 like what what was the one that went just like gangbusters was that quest 1 or quest 2 quest 2 launch date yeah october 13th 2020 i think that's right because uh covid hit and then that christmas quest 2 just went crazy they were sold out like everywhere that was the first big first like notable jump i think i called that a little that happened later than i expected and then i think there's going to be another one um and then i think there's going to be another one um and then I think there's going to be another one after that when companies other than just oculus start making

headsets um that like can actually compete loudface bob on floatplane makes a good point says first jump was when they dropped the price of the original oculus to 300 bucks it still wasn't mainstream then yeah and it still didn't really pop off that was a very good thing that needed to happen um but for mainstream adoption not for the health of the vr hardware market in general in my opinion because it's basically just subsidizing the hardware with your data something that no one other than facebook has the capability or willingness to do yeah for sure but yeah like quest 2 that christmas was huge the amount of quest 2 sales was monstrous

um and like uh vr games actually started to sell like pretty okay it's cooled down a fair amount since then um which is why i don't think it's like actually really here yet is because it has cooled down um and like indexes are still like two grand and like it's, it's still a, it's still a bit of a rough space to get in. But yeah. But Hey, at least the show is brought to you by thanks to Clyde for sponsoring today's show.

Clyde is an endpoint security solution that uses the most powerful untapped resource in it and users old school device management tools like MDMs force disruptive agents onto employee devices that slow performance and treat privacy as an afterthought. But Clyde does things differently. Instead of forcing changes on users, Clyde notifies their team via Slack when the devices are insecure and gives them step-by-step instructions on how to solve the problem. By reaching out to employees via friendly Slack message and educating them about company policies, Clyde can help you build a culture in which everyone contributes to security because Thank you. You can meet your compliance goals by putting users first. Visit collide.com slash WAN to figure out how. That's K-O-L-I-D-E dot com slash W-A-N.

Thanks to Setapp for sponsoring today's show. Getting things done is a challenge, but listening to music is a long-used productivity hack among creatives. The problem is there's almost too much choice. How do you choose what to listen to? Setapp, a subscription-based productivity service for Mac and iPhone users, launches curated productivity playlists on Spotify to help you stay focused and get more done. Whether you're having a daily stand-up or need to deep dive into work, there's a playlist for you. Just like Setup curates and recommends the right apps for you to solve any task, Setup playlists are carefully selected to fit various work situations, and new playlists are added regularly to meet your needs. The Setup platform has more than 200 independent developers on board,

so you can get motivated by listening to music that they are playing while working on their popular solutions. You can enjoy the productive writing set by Ulysses, deep focus playlists by Lo-Fi Garden, or flash recharge break set from CleanMyMac. So try Setup today by searching and following Setapp on Spotify to stay productive. That's S-E-T-A-P-P. Thanks to FreshBooks for also sponsoring today's show. When building a business you're passionate about, it's easy to feel like there aren't enough hours in the day. And if

you're doing all the invoicing and accounting on your own, you're probably spending time on work that you don't love. FreshBooks is built for business owners like you. It's the all-in-one accounting software that saves entrepreneurs and freelancers up to 11 hours a week. That's 11 hours you can spend nailing a client pitch, serving your customers, or honing your craft. From building, sending, and following up on invoices, to tracking and managing expenses, to processing online payments, FreshBooks automates and simplifies all the tough and annoying parts of running your own business. It's super easy to get up and running, and the award-winning FreshBooks support team is always available to answer questions. Try FreshBooks free for 30 days, no credit card required, by going to freshbooks.com slash WAN.

What will you do with 11 more hours each week? Rogers went down? I don't think it's an interesting topic Well the most interesting thing about We have a telecom here Whose cellular network absolutely Pooed itself at 5am today And one of the most interesting things About it was that

My aunt Had her home alarm system Start beeping Because it lost cellular connectivity Starting at about two in the morning. That sounds very annoying. They were able to disable it for five minutes at a time.

So because she had to come and take care of the kids today, my poor uncle had to sit next to the alarm panel for the rest of the night and disable it every five minutes so that she could sleep poor thing because otherwise it would just go can't you like shut it off somehow i mean they're not savvy enough to like find the speaker and desolder it okay you know yeah yeah yeah pretty rough hey you can't like break or flip it because that would be a security problem so there's some battery backup somewhere yeah she didn't tell us i mean obviously if we could have there's probably ways around it get it she didn't tell us because she's she rogers anyway sorry yeah she didn't tell us otherwise we could have told her hey you know

just chill stay at home take care of take care of you know my uncle who didn't sleep you know guys why don't you guys take it easy today she just showed up at our house and was like yeah this happened last night lol okay uh so just so you know i'm not a monster i wouldn't have been like yeah come in and take care of the kids anyway but pretty rough so that was the whole that was the thing apparently the ottawa police had to tweet out telling people to stop calling 9-1-1 to ask when their cell phone will be working again oh man every once in a while yeah every once in a while humanity just disappoints me this is really funny um alex did up this topic and put an i told you so in here i don't really have a discussion question or a

discussion topic more just and i told you so for colton who switched a large portion of the office to rogers this week despite me telling him they are crap every telco is crap they're all just crap in different ways i don't i don't know the last time that there was a server provider that had a national outage. I mean, that's fair, but I've also had my fair share of issues with Telus, our current provider. And I drop calls all

the time. I have better connectivity in my house with Rogers. Honestly, I was happiest with Bell, even though everyone told me Bell was garbage. I was like, I don't know my data speed. I don't know if my data speeds fast or whatever, but like my calls don't drop. That was a while ago. Probably because you stayed in specific areas.

Yeah. It could be that I was just as far as my understanding goes, bell's really spotty. Yeah. But that's the thing is everyone told me that you're in a good spot. And yet here I was sitting thinking that calls disconnecting was some kind of like third world thing. Cause I hadn't had a call drop in literally years. Ugh. Hate it.

Yeah. Yeah. That's about it, though. I don't think there's really a ton to say. You know what I don't hate? Let's talk about Wide Care. Oh, man. What a name.

I know, right? Wide Care. oh man what a name i know right what a name it's an extended warranty service that is only available in japan provided by nintendo called yeah wide care uh it grants customers up to uh 750 dollars in repairs or six repairs per year uh the warranty covers both accidental and water damage to your switch controllers and the dock price is 15 bucks a year or a dollar 50 a month or 2000 yen and 200 yen um and the yearly subscription can actually be used outside the warranty period i would actually that's not really even a warranty in my opinion at that price that's closer to an insurance policy and in in a way, extended warranties are kind of

an insurance policy. But the fact that this can be, as far as I can tell, done on just an ongoing basis makes it different from an extended warranty. That's what makes it an insurance policy. I'm sure they'll stop providing it at some point. Well, yeah, but the switch has already been out four or five years or or whatever and it says that as far as i can tell anyway that you can sign up for it like now you have to buy extended warranties typically at the time of purchase or within some short period and therefore a finite amount of time just being able to have peace of mind that my whatever thing will continue to serve whatever purpose i would have been ongoing basis i pay 15 bucks a year for that that's not bad i

would have been viciously against it if it wasn't really cheap yeah but that's what i'm saying like the price it's super cheap it's not extended warranty pricing it's like insurance pricing probably something won't go wrong, but if it does, hey, great. I've got insurance, right? Like that's the whole point of it. Apparently they will cover up to $750 in repairs or six repairs a year.

And in my opinion, I think it's a really good deal, especially for a mobile device. I would hope that this doesn't address right to repair concerns no and it doesn't make nintendo suddenly a good consumer pro consumer company yes uh people in chat are pointing this out i was thinking about this already and it's already in the doc so i think there's quite a unified conclusion on this if this covers joy-con drift like everyone should get it yeah i mean basically i i don't know joy-con drift shouldn't be a problem no absolutely we installed third-party hall effect joysticks in the steam deck today good i have never used a like game controller that made me feel like i

really had fine control i i never played dreamcast never had a dreamcast um it was awesome because you got to remember not only does a hall effect sensor have a much uh much better longevity because it's it's magnetic based rather than potentiometer based um if it if it's centered perfectly it will be centered perfectly every time and valve also has a tool on the Steam Deck to allow you to adjust your dead zones. So if you know you have an outstanding, reliable joystick that will always center perfectly and always read perfectly in every direction because it uses freaking magnets. How do they work? Then you can reduce the size of your dead zone.

Oh, cool. So my dead zones were so small that even playing an fps game because that's what happens when i try to play fps games on a controller so i'm like oh it's not moving it's not moving it's not moving and oh off we go right but i was actually able to fine tune it and aim that's pretty sweet oh that's cool oh i love it so one thing that i just thought of about the current topic sorry to derail slightly but uh is that they they entirely get to decide how much the repairs cost who does nintendo oh they're the only one offering the service right so up to 750 in repairs but like how much does it cost to replace a joy-con? Yeah, that's fair. I don't know.

That's a good question. Yeah, we'll have to see. I don't know. I'm not, like, overjoyous about this because I would rather it was more of a right-to-repair situation. I would rather that there was some form of solution given for Joy-Con drift. I don't think Nintendo is a saint of a company. They have a lot of issues in this regard.

It's cheap. It is only provided in japan yep i wouldn't be surprised if this didn't go outside of japan yeah there's a lot of only japan stuff that companies like sony and nintendo do yeah sharp or someone's saying joycon repairs are free you can send them to nintendo and they will repair for free yeah for now but i think what lu Luke's saying is there needs to be a long-term solution um hold on a second constantly sending your controllers out and needing to wait like a super long time stop spamming it by the way um but okay I'm just gonna start banning people loudface bob says mad cats made a good one uh oh a good dreamcast controller i mean i find that very i find that very difficult i doubt that did mad cats ever make anything good apparently they still exist really which i was surprised did they get bought out i mean i don't know maybe yeah look at this mad cats dare lead. Aren't these the same products that they had like a decade ago?

I don't think so. Like this is a different rat. I mean, a lot of the branding is the same. I remember them having like a strike keyboard back in the day. The rat looks very similar. It might technically be different, but this looks really, really similar. It's a triumphant return of the beloved rat, apparently. i think it's supposed to look similar luke i don't think anyone i mean their site is not even loading pictures for me right now this is amazing i

don't think anyone loved the rat uh i mean the the other pm that i worked with at ncix who was in charge of mad cats loved the the rat he was so desperate to sell rats man oh no what else we got today oh we also have a deal of the week okay this is odd

if for whatever reason you were to find yourself needing a lot of hats, hats for you and all your friends, the deal of the week is buy four dad hats of any style on LTT Store and get them for 50% off. Four hats for $40. So yeah, need lots of hats in lots of different styles. Let me tell you where you can go.

You're going to want to go clothing. Okay. Wait, are hats clothing? Are they clothing or gear there we go dad hat and here you will find all the different styles like washed black khaki gray blue red and other more different black deep black all right cool so there you go guys you need a fresh supply of dad hats we got you covered we should probably do a couple merch messages actually hit me All right, cool. So there you go, guys. You need a fresh supply of dad hats. We got you covered.

We should probably do a couple of merch messages, actually. Bill, hit me. Hello. First question here, speaking of Nintendo, any updates? Did we ever hear from Nintendo after the video was posted? Nope. I mean, it's still early.

There's plenty of time. Realistically, I don't think there's a whole lot that they can say about it everything that we did was here legal um it's just one of those things where my you know my position is that nintendo has a lot of growing up to do as a company they they need to just chill out a little bit figure out what their what their value add is to gamers and stop intentionally antagonizing them I think they could actually be more successful if they took a more open approach to both their hardware and their software and um I just I I get very frustrated with their hypocrisy, where they'll go after emulation as a whole and the developers of emulators, and then they'll go and use emulators. Like, okay, are you against it? Or do you view it as a valuable tool?

You can't really have it both ways. really have it both ways it frustrates me when companies have games that have like very prevalent competitive scenes and then they just like pretend they don't exist um it'd be nice to see nintendo like engaging with the smash community or whatever also though that community is like super sketched so a little questionable but yeah from alan as a guy who runs a high school esports team and helps the tech department do you have any thoughts on high school esports teams oh hold on i want to clarify something i think it was actually sony that um used an emulator in a product that they that they ended up releasing that was not developed by them was it that them? Guys, help me out in the chat here. I thought it was Nintendo as well. I thought so too,

but I'm not immediately finding it. Sorry, what was that, Bill? From Alan. He runs an eSport team at a high school and wonders what your thoughts are on high school eSports teams. I mean, I don't really see it as any different from a high school chess club or like, uh, I was

in our group that I was in the group that represented our school at the physics Olympics. Hey, me too. Like I, what's the, what's the difference between that and any other, any other organized school activity? I don't know that I would want it to become like an all-consuming thing for my kids at that age. Like I'd like them to make sure that they're also getting their fair share of physical activity. But I think that it's like any other school club. It's a great way to foster relationships with like-minded people and build friendships. And I think there's a lot of opportunity to learn a lot of the same things that you would in any other organized sport, for example, like teamwork and communication.

Yeah, I don't know what else to say about it. It's a school club. I would focus on those things that you just said focus on getting them to effectively don't make it make it very very hard for them to tell that that's your goal um but teach them like life skills leadership um communication stuff like that from sam we're looking for another Linus paint tips, anything, any suggestions for outdoor painting or porch painting? Oh, porch painting is tough.

Pretty much anything you walk on will wear off. So if I had to, if I had to paint a walk on surface, I would be sure to use a stain, um, something that soaks into the material, like a, like an oil or a stain. Um, because when you recoat that kind of stuff, it's, uh, it's sometimes not always a lot less work because it's like, it soaks into the, it soaks into the material, which means that it's not going to flake off in quite the same way that that a paint would and once paint starts to fail and it starts to flake you have to go at it hard and get everything possible off before you recoat it otherwise it will continue to flake under the new paint and it will create like cracks where moisture can get in and it will

start to lift up all the paint so you'll basically just be wasting your time um as for outdoor i mean yeah the main thing is prep prep is most of the job applying the paint to the wall is like a third of the battle so you got to make sure you get everything scraped off scrape sand white prime paint anywhere the paint is failing cracking alligatoring peeling it's a lot of work from nathaniel hi linus question on your role as ceo and the future of yvonne and partners do you envision becoming too big for you to candidly engage with your community or everything in the works. Oh, I... I mean, there's lots of stuff that's going on that we don't necessarily talk about.

Yeah, I mean, I want to talk about more things. We shot a lab update today that I think is going to be a really cool video. We basically went through every member of the lab, both new, like on probation and established and looked at what they're working on. The probation, the probationary people had to wear a fallout guy masks and a guy Fox mask. So because they're still anonymous. But anyway, is that the.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's the development team. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, it's the development team. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I, is it just the development team? Is anyone else? No, everyone else is, is cleared for camera. Uh, do you envision becoming too big to candidly engage with your community? Man, I don't want to, I don't want to be so big that the lawyers have to do a sanity check on what I say. And I don't want to get to the point where I'm so detached that I don't have

our own internal checks and balances to make sure that I don't say anything too stupid. I mean, as it is, we're not at any risk of that because I can I need both my hands to count the number of people that will just tell me I'm an idiot when I say something stupid and, you know, that are able to get me to back down on a bad idea. I mean, we actually we actually had something like that happen this week. I was in a conversation with Colton and we were like, hey, we should embrace the whole name of the whale land and just make every ticket like a whale ticket. So every ticket includes admission, a WAN hoodie, a desk pad, a tour of the office, a food truck voucher thing for three meals a day and all this and we should just have like like put all these like bundles together and it should be like 500 tickets and we were like yeah let's yeah let's do it and and on the surface it's actually not a terrible idea from a business standpoint because the reality of it is we only have a couple hundred seats and there was a lot of value being baked

into those tickets we are going to sell through that couple hundred seats like that if there was a lot of value being baked into those tickets we are going to sell through that couple hundred seats like that if it was a thousand dollars it would sell through in like 15 minutes so really whatever price we ultimately settle on is how much revenue do we want to make from the land we have no way of expanding the capacity because it's going to be in lab two. We're actually going to be in the warehouse of lab two running the land. It's going to be freaking awesome. And that was a way for us to maximize

that revenue for the company, which we need, while also providing a really solid value to anyone who buys the ticket because it was going to be like a bundle deal. However, you know, Luke made a really good point that was like, hey, like my dad and my friends won't be able to like afford that and go. It's especially fair enough. We haven't announced a date, but the date will not be super far out from when we do announce it um and if the ticket's like 250 500 um that's a lot of spending money to come up with on a like

a super short notice if it was planned like six months ahead maybe even then it's still a lot of spending money to throw at one event um and like yeah you are getting other stuff you're getting the mouse pad potentially you're getting this hoodie like it there's a lot of value in there and and my pitch to luke how sick would it be if all the pictures and video from the land were people in this like uniform gaming like everyone's wearing the same hoodie that would have been so cool pretty cool but there's also issues with that if people are coming to land they're very likely super fans they might already have one of the hoodies yeah so we don't want them to end up with a second hoodie so yeah to be pretty rough here we're not doing that yep so we'll we'll figure out something that kind of makes sense and i think we'll try to we'll try to have like bundles and add-ons as things that people absolutely

can buy as part of the experience. Like I think we'll probably do studio tours. We've done them during LTX before in the past, and it's been a pretty fun way to engage with the community. Coming back to that question, do you envision becoming too big to candidly engage with the community? I think if I do, we will completely lose. I think we'll fail ultimately. So I don't think that I or I mean, I'd love to think that we have a leadership team that could carry on without me. I'd like to think that we will not stop engaging with the community, whether it's reading comments or talking to people like this or whatever that ends up looking like. And I mean, Luke and I both intend to sit

with the general population at the LAN, not because we have to, but because that's something we want to do. I don't see that changing anytime too soon. From Joshua. Hey, Luke, we all know starting Flowplane and running it hasn't been easy over the years. But according to you, have there been any memorable or best parts of running the Flowplane system and team? I will say that that's one of the downsides of having an all remote team is like, I think we've done a good job of, especially like talking to other people that have worked on remote teams and talking to my friends who have managed remote teams and, and stuff. I think we've done a pretty good job of like keeping productivity up and, and, and doing things like that.

I think our meeting structure has been good and mentally healthy for people and yada, yada, yada. Um, but not having everyone together all the time definitely reduces. Or ever because of COVID. Or ever. Yeah. having everyone together all the time definitely reduces or ever because of covid or ever yeah because it was supposed we were supposed to have these like yearly meetups around ltx and then that's obviously not a thing hey we should fly them in for the land i'm down some of them are in like overseas okay i'll ask um he's like land i want to land okay well i guess i guess there's one there's at least one um okay yeah well i'll try to figure that kind of stuff but yeah it limits the possibility of some of those types of moments, right? Some of those team building kind of moments.

So I try to create that as much as possible. But yeah, it is limiting. I remember one of my favorite times, I think there was a crunch. I don't even necessarily remember what it was for. But I remember... Verified Actual Gamer? No, but that one was actually really good. That one was cool.

It was a float plane feature crunch and i was it was when i had my my office was your current office and i remember being there until like six in the morning or something and just like anytime you're in voice chat with people working on something and it gets past like 3 a.m. Things get a little wild. Yeah. So that was good. And I mean, there's been a lot of them. It's mostly like the things that we have created have been like really cool. And it's the accomplishments and stuff.

It's not necessarily the like day-to-day moments because we are literally disconnected. Right. So, yeah. Yeah. Let's just, let's bring them out for the land. Cool. Sounds good. Yeah.

From David, sad to see the LTT intros disappearing. How's that experiment been going? Any insights to share? Overall, viewership is up on the channel pretty consistently over the last six months. It's been slow going. It's really noticeable how much YouTube is emphasizing shorts. And I think a lot of it's coming out of promotion for Bat Catalog. That's my gut feeling. I don't have detailed analytics to share with you guys where I can prove where I can prove it. Like that's the, that's the challenge, right? Is it's, and it's always changing. It's like, it's shifting sands under you. So you just, you do your best with it. You pick up your divining rod, you try and find water algorithm, water, right?

It's hard to say, cause we're always changing so many things, whether it's topic selection or, you know, writing style or like the, the texts that we have at the beginning of the videos now that's designed to improve retention when people are scrolling with their audio off, try to kind of hook them into the video. You're changing so many things, it's hard to tell what exactly is making the difference. But overall, viewership is super, super healthy across the empire. I actually have a dashboard that allows me to see all of them at once now, but I'll need a minute if I'm going to try to sign into it to show it to you guys.

I would say, though, gut feeling wise, that reducing the amount of filler in the first 30 seconds of the video is almost certainly a good thing for long term viewer satisfaction. Yeah. In the meantime, from Thomas, question for Linus and Luke. What kind of quality control and continuous improvement processes are there at lmg we do so much stuff that's a difficult question to answer because we do so many different things and and each department is going to have different ways of handling that yeah that's a lot i i don't even know i don't even know what i mean we review every video.

I mean, okay, you and your development digest, you were talking about that super cool new thing that allows you to roll back stuff. Oh, that's not out yet. But yeah, we're going to be working with a system that's going to allow us to do A-B testing and rollbacks. But in regards to quality control, like we have a have a cicd pipeline um we could talk about this for a super long time

um all right i feel like it would probably be a bad idea for me to show this particular number so I'm just gonna I'm hold on that don't worry I'm being very responsible Luke I'm being a very responsible boy who only shares analytics that don't matter there okay you can't carry with no pen I think that seems fine Argo that was any of it yeah yeah yeah uh yeah it's not out yet hold on let me just let me just fix this up okay all right yeah that this this should be this should be completely fine so this is a super cool little dashboard that i have that actually has all of our almost scrolled the page so close you didn't do it though that's a win it has all of our all of our channel

videos on it we can see things like what's um performing better than it was what's performing worse than it was what's getting views in the last 48 hours or uh i believe this real-time one can also show 60 minutes no this this one this one doesn't i don't think and then if i dig deeper into the analytics i can see see more here we go well i just need to make sure i don't show anything that'll get me in trouble because i think if i just straight up i'm like yep, here's our CPMs, I am going to cause some headaches for some people that I like a lot and want to continue working with. I hate how this dashboard works now.

I actually cannot understand why it doesn't just show me the overall views, not by content. I just want to see views. I, yeah, I can't. Views by channel. How do I just, how do I just combine them? Options hide metric. Okay. All right. Here, maybe you guys can help me with this. There you go. So you can see all the channels here. Can I unselect LTT? Oh, no, I can show only LTT. Okay, cool. So if we look at only LTT, we only got this dashboard a little while ago, so it's only going back to february but you can see overall this trend line is up obviously we have our spikes and and our dips and then if we take ltt out and take out also the channels that really don't get a lot of views like uh they're just

movies um channel superfund super spiky so i to pull that out. You can see that the overall trend is towards more views, which is obviously the objective of what we're doing. More importantly, the business team, the merch team, the labs team is all working on ways constantly to help us monetize the content better because at the end of the day, if the only lever that you have to pull is make more content eventually you're going to collapse under your own weight we can't have 300 channels that we're managing and expect to do it with the kind of polish and quality that we do care it's like when you go to a restaurant and the menu is like 10 pages deep and dense.

And there's just a bajillion things. It's like, oh, this probably isn't going to be very good. Unless it's Cheesecake Factory. I love Cheesecake Factory. I don't know if I've ever... Oh, their menu is ridiculous. I've been there once. It's a novel.

I've been there one time. And I know it's trashy. I like it anyway. All right. I don't want to stir up any controversy. Oh, no. But this really, this stood out. This is from Patrick. Linus, why do I see you in regular shoes during the YouTube shorts?

Are the socks and sandals a scam? That is concerning. Yeah, this is a problem. My sandals broke and I've been too lazy to replace them. Wow. Yeah. That's actually surprising. It's like next level.

Yeah. Fun fact, the only reason I ever replaced any of my sandals ever, I have never bought a pair of those sandals, those like Echo sandals that I wear. My aunt would always buy them for me. And then I told her,'m a grown-ass man you can stop buying me shoes at some point and so she did and now i don't have shoes except the vessies that vessie sent me for free so i put those on i uh these shoes yes you know what you and i got those was it around the time you started working here sure was there are massive holes in them the right foot I I put them in the dryer one time

and it got caught in part of the dryer because I didn't have a dryer bag for my shoes because I was too cheap and it got caught in the sidewall of the dryer so it has a a permanent like uplift on the end of it uh there are there are identical rips on each shoe uh because i stopped because of covid but when i used to do boxing training every week the like side to side movement would stress out the same part of the shoe they are ratty but they don't sell these anymore i actually put a bounty out for a pair that were this size that was like i think it was like 300 bucks or something yeah i was like i really just want these shoes and you just can't get them i have never worn a pair of shoes that fit as nicely as these and it's not like oh it's because they're worn in i remember when i first

put them on the store i was like whoa these are perfect i should have bought like a bunch that's what i did with the badminton shoes that i don't know i should have done a pair of court shoes that was like these fit me like a glove i bought six pairs yeah and like these are just like racked right i've gone and tried to like tried to spend good money and buy nice shoes because i think you should have like shoes that fit you well and stuff um and i can't find anything that even remotely compares i've tried a bunch of different brands i've tried to like i don't know i can't figure it out oh man never change luke never change from andy it's been just over a year since your Don't Build a Hackintosh video. Do you think Hackintosh is dead? Oh, wow.

Yeah, pretty much. I mean, it's very clear that the software innovation that Apple is putting into macOS is Apple Silicon centric going forward. I think they still sell some Intel based Macs. Do they? I don't even I don't even know. I know nobody's talking about them. No one cares about them. Yeah, Mac Pro Mac Pro is still for sale for the time being. So it will be at least some years after the last Intel Mac rolls off the line that you will still be able to run Mac OS on Intel Silicon but

I just don't see it being viable in the long term. From Sensope Hi Linus and Luke, hope you're doing well. I wonder if either of you like Lego or if you have any favorite sets. I feel like I'm feeding into my own stereotype today,

but Lego is really expensive. It is, okay? I never got way too into Lego when I was a kid. I think partially because my family had some financial struggles and Lego is really expensive, but I think it's pretty cool. family had some financial struggles and Lego is really expensive. But I think it's pretty cool. My girlfriend for Christmas bought me these, this little like, there was like a plants and animals Lego release thing. And she found one that was two budgies. And they like somewhat color matched the budgies that we have. So she bought me those and I built that and put it

together. And it was, it was pretty cool. cool i enjoyed that i thought that was cool the ones that you have are sweet i didn't know those existed at all i actually ended up looking them up after i got home and then was like i'll leave that to him um but they're really cool like they're like piano and stuff and they have this whole architecture line i think that's awesome um yeah really cool stuff just really pricey and i don't know what i would really want to do with it when i was done that's awesome. Yeah, really cool stuff. Just really pricey. And I don't know what I would really want to do with it when I was done. That's another. Yvonne really likes the flower ones.

We're actually using Lego flowers in place of real flowers in our house because they just look like if you don't look closely, they actually look pretty convincing. And then if you look closely, like, oh's kind of cool yeah yeah so that seems like a very us thing to do but it's not the kind of thing that i do enjoy putting the sets together but i've just never found that i had the vision to come up with my own stuff like my eight-year-old daughter will put together more creative stuff out of the the spare parts bin that i would be able to come up with i just that's what i really liked with lego is like back in the day we had just like i don't think i don't think we ever had sets when we were growing up but we we had just like a bin of like some whatever i don't

know if we got it from whatever it doesn't matter but we had just like a bin and i had a fun time just like making whatever i would make things to like push my little model cars through or whatever. I don't know. That's fine. AJ Techie 369 asked me if there's an update on the, on YouTube following up with me regarding the comment spam. So I do need to give you guys that. Maybe we can take a merch messages break and go over that for a little bit.

Yeah. Maybe just let me just make sure that this is not like controversial or anything like that. Yeah, it looks like I have been invited to speak with YouTube. They're continuing to investigate and they want me to talk about any of my experiences on any of our channels around impersonation, porn bots or scams, crypto bots or scams, ad scams, users being directed toward Telegram, Signal, WhatsApp, et cetera, conversations between seemingly fake users and comments, other types of spam or scammy behavior. And I am going to try to make time for this.

I would really like to see an end to this problem on the platform. So anything that I can do to help, I think would be a positive thing, especially if I'm going to call them out. You know, the least I can do is if they do reach out and say, you know, hey, we value your feedback. You know, what can we do about it? The least I can do is actually provide that feedback, right? So I also heard from, uh, a friend who works at YouTube sort of, I mean, it's like a business relationship, but you know, we chat about business too. Yeah. Friendly. Um, just kind of clarifying if I have increased strictness turned on, on all my channels, clearly, clearly our discussion last week has penetrated

the YouTube bureaucracy. Um, am I correct in understanding that the majority of these are in replies rather than root comments? And apparently there's, yeah, there's action. There's action being taken, and I'm glad. I'm glad to see it, and hopefully they will take strict enough, decisive enough action that we can get rid of the problem, expunge the scammers, and then slowly work our way back towards, you know, the features that are nice to have as long as they're not being abused. Yeah, like I'm going to hold praise back until they do something. And I still think it's ridiculous that they like that they're like are you telling me these are mostly in replies instead of like look yeah at your own platform i mean i i literally screen capped as we live discovered the problem last week but yes still so i i think the amount

of credit that is due for them reaching out is not super high. But if they do something about it... It's better than nothing. Yes. If they do... Well, I don't know. I don't actually think it has any value if they don't do anything about it. That's why I'm kind of like withholding praise personally for now.

If they take action, if they do things about it, then sweet. That's good. But yeah. Tim Zentu on Floatplane says, There is apparently a deal at walmart on the lego flower bouquet the marketing ai is listening that is the creepiest stuff i can't prove it you know i can't prove it but anecdotally boy does it ever feel like that happens doesn't it yeah you're talking about something and all of a sudden your ad feed is full of like you know

make an offhand comment about blow-up dolls and all of a sudden your ad feed is full of like, you know, make an offhand comment about blow up dolls. And all of a sudden all my ads are for that. I mean, I've never searched for that before. Of course, of course not. Yeah. Why would you?

I've genuinely never understood the appeal. It's very weird, but blow up dolls. Yeah. You're more of a real doll guy, right? I mean, I probably,

if I was choosing between the two, then yes. Yes. He can afford it. He won't buy shoes, but can he ever buy a real doll guy right i mean i probably if i was choosing between the two then yes yes he can afford it he won't buy shoes but like can he ever buy a real doll oh man that's funny uh to add more to people's search from tau what are your thoughts on blue light filtering glasses i think that they seem to filter some of the blue light and that there seems to be some evidence that that could be good.

How good? Whether it's worth the money or the inconvenience of wearing glasses if you don't already need them, that I don't know. I personally don't bother with them. Yeah, I know me neither. And that's... I thought they were really interesting when I first heard them bother with them. Yeah, I know me neither. And that's...

I thought they were really interesting when I first heard them. Me too. I tried them. And then I tried them and... Seemed like they might help a little, but it's so hard to tell. Like, it's so hard to tell because there's no way to run a controlled experiment to know if they're working for you. It's all completely subjective. Really hard to trial as far experiment to know if they're working for you it's all completely subjective really hard to trial as far as i know as well from max any updates on the spammer you

called last week no i got a message back from them and then i was lazy they asked me to send them the comment that and i was like i could go check the wan archive and i could go find the and i could go into my youtube dashboard and i could go look for that comment but it's my weekend so i didn't i'm sorry i know i said i would because they want to rope you and they want you to they want to get you to do things for them. Yeah. That is not difficult to do. And then eventually the next, because there's this like mental concept thing, whereas as you do tasks for people and as people do tasks for you, there's like trust built. Oh, okay. Regardless basically of what the task is.

So am I just too lazy to get scammed? In this case, yeah, I guess so. Nice. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Nice. From Anon, my 16-month internship at AMD has shown me the fact that PC hardware is insanely complex and is a miracle that it works.

Yeah. Is there anything about CPU or GPU design that is just black magic to you and you would love to know how it works, is designed, et cetera? All of it. I was going to say the whole thing. I love it. It's super cool. It's one of those things where I'm, I know I'm not smart enough to make it.

So I just sit here and publicly love it lots. That's literally my job. Yeah. From those bagels, what did you think of Debour cpu contact frame and would you suggest it to others or is it snake oil asks those bagel uh i don't think roman would ever try to sell anyone's snake oil and yes it works it does what he says it does. I don't know that I would recommend it just because it will void your warranty, assuming you tell anybody you used it. So I don't want to take a position on that,

but we have validated on multiple instances using different kinds of coolers that it does, in fact, work. Cool. But yeah, Der Bauer's legit he's not gonna sell you oops i accidentally curated the wrong thing uh do we have any more topics we want to talk about i don't really know let's let's skim through i could talk about some of the cool lab stuff that's in that video i think they should watch the video yeah Yeah, they can. But like the automated game benchmarking, the automated like keyboard tester,

dude out of a jig. Yeah, watch the video. Yeah, man, we're going to be able to test. Okay, did you know that active noise canceling headphones will compensate if you're wearing glasses and there's like enough leakage that your bass response sucks? Huh?

Yeah. They have like pressure sensors or something? No they have a microphone inside so if they figure out hey we're not getting enough bass in here they'll boost it huh so cool right smart when you really start diving into the like the engineering of things it gets you yeah it's it's that whole like you don't know enough to know that you don't know enough concept holy crap what we're announcing the whale land event yeah okay july 29th 6 p.m to july 31st 10 a.m you heard it here. There will be approximately 200 tickets available. They will go live later next week. The location

will be New New Lab, or Lab 2, depending on which name you prefer for it. So just right near the office here. There will be Linus Power Hour Game of the Hour Oh, okay. Events include Linus Power Hour, so Game of the Hour where you have no. Events include Linus Power Hour.

So game of the hour where you have no choice but to play the game that I decide. Is an hour long enough? Yeah, I think so. Because there's setup time, right? It'll start. We'll figure it out. I think an hour is long enough as long as we're actually playing for an hour.

Are these like back to back? How does the Linus Power Hour work? No, there will be gaps of do whatever you want in between Linus Power Hours. Okay, sweet. Then it's great. There will also be tournaments and challenges for prizes. I want to cast a Rocket League tournament.

There will be food and drink options. You should let Chase know then. Yeah. There will be an LTTstore.com merch booth, maybe some other booths, and members of our team will be at the event. I don't know that any of them will be like paid to be there so i can't guarantee that they'll be there or that they will stay or whatever else

if it's boring then you'll have to just excuse them for f***ing off and going home um they may decide to sleep at home because they live around here or whatever else i'm gonna stay as much as i can but yeah i i don't i'm not quite the whippersnapper i once was i don whatever else i'm gonna stay as much as i can but yeah i don't i'm not quite the whippersnapper i once was i don't think i'm gonna be able to stay up on friday morning when i have to start work do wan show and everything and then stay all the way up until sunday at 10 a.m i might have been able to do that at one time yeah no not now if i do that now i'll be i'll be out for like two weeks no i would i would like i would definitely come down with something yeah exactly i reached a point around 25 i guess where i just i started getting a sick every time i pulled an all-nighter every single time nivan would be like look are you not seeing the pattern here i'm like

no i have no pattern i can't do that anyway super exciting i asked the float plane the local float plane guys i'll extend it to the rest of them but i asked the local float plane guys i'll extend it to the rest of them but i asked the local float plane guys like hey do you guys want to go and they're like yes so they'll be there which is gonna be cool yeah that could be a problem what we have 80 employees and approximately 200 seats at this land are we even gonna sell any tickets i think there's i think there's 50 reserved okay all right cool well that's good like i don't mean out of the 200 i mean i believe our actual maximum capacity is 250 okay okay all right people are saying that they they don't they can't get off work and travel

with that little notice um don't take this the wrong way but we kind of did that on purpose. This is not LTX. This is not a worth traveling for spectacle. Wait for LTX if you're not local. This is intended for people who are at most maybe driving up from Seattle. AJ asks, can we play from the main LTT office? What? You're just going to like hide? No. You're going to fly all the way over here and then hide in a

separate building play world of warcraft over in the office while everyone else is no yeah world of warcraft will be banned we should do we should do like like some form of like uh router rules that block certain like mmos and stuff and it's just like no you need to play land games i'd be super i'd be super extra down yeah anything else we oh yeah there was the whole uh the m2 macbook pro tear down confirms it's basically an m1 i fix it tore down an m2 macbook pro in a recent video cables standoff screws grounding pins etc all the same. The logic board though is a little different and supports the M2 chip. The heat sink has square corners rather than rounded ones. The only major change aside from the chip is actually a downgrade. The storage on the entry level M2 is slower than

the M1 due to the different configuration of the SSD so it has fewer NAND chips which means that reading and writing in parallel is no longer possible. This is only true for the base model, though. This is the part that I thought was interesting. Sounds like you should be able to take an M2 board and just stuff it into your M1 MacBook Pro, right? Wrong. iFixit tried this and made the swap successfully, but the trackpad, keyboard, and Touch ID sensor no longer functioned post-swap. Thank you, Tim Apple. Very cool. Discussion question here. Why would Apple so blatantly and unnecessarily block repairability? If someone had a failed logic board in an M1 MacBook Pro,

why couldn't they just put an M2 logic board in there hooked up to their old battery and screen and everything else because you yeah that's pretty much it there's there's really nothing other than they just want you to buy new computers that's it yeah yeah yeah i could get into it i could get more mad but that's that's all that is coming down to you they don't care if you waste a bunch of stuff they want you to buy new computers also sort of relatively breaking news uh as expected elon musk pulled out of his twitter purchase deal and is getting a lot of much sued but hey the twins yeah i don't know if you read the story either uh let's just talk about the twitter thing though i i didn't know anything about this uh until you mentioned it when you first allegedly allegedly twins let's just say allegedly everything um but but yeah allegedly he's trying to pull out

of this twitter deal and then twitter was like we will bring legal action blah blah yeah you must buy us yeah or at the very least boy could he ever get sued for a lot because on the one hand i think the it's like stock manipulation there's a pullout yeah there's a pullout clause of the deal that would cost him a billion but then twitter could also probably sue for very significant damages because of all the stock uh price movement that has taken place all of the um the sort of intangible damage that has been done by employees leaving and um just general unrest at twitter that's taken place because of this whole saga this is going to be this is going to be interesting there's some folks jumping into chat saying well they lied on their numbers so he would win anyway yeah it's not going to be that straightforward boys going to be a pretty complicated one

wait musk pulled out he recently tweeted letting everyone know he's not pulling out anymore sorry what is this i'm seeing news articles from 40 minutes ago saying that he pulled out uh i don't even know what his twitter handle when we're just using it's probably just elon musk well it probably is except oh yeah it is okay when when we're when we're just using the term pull out this gets a little confusing based on recent musk news yeah i know right because he was also tweeting recently about like doing his part for the u.s uh birth rate yes so like if people are referring to that like yeah maybe you know maybe he's still all up in there stay classy el Elon all right and you guys stay classy until we see you next week same bad time

Same bad channel. Bye When and the land When land we're gonna do it from there we can do from here yet sierras13 asks at luke hammer update i can look you should look the last time looked, it had been over a year, and there was no update. Let's see. This is going to take me, like, a while. I can just check for next show.

Okay. Yeah. I'll check for next show. But there's almost certainly no update. I think it might actually be abandoned now. But we'll see. This isn't going to, like, work at all. Oh, there we go.