The WAN Show - This is a REALLY bad take - WAN Show October 23 , 2020

Episode Date: October 28, 2020

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issues and uh i believe the word for this is oof as the kids say yeah or big big oof we've got some alleged rx 6800 xt benchmarks what else we got luke what's our headline topic our headline topic is i i think i don't actually? Our headline topic is, I think, I don't actually know what the title is, but I think it's talking about some spicy tweets about the streaming industry and how the money should be flowing in that industry. But also, Intel sold their NAND storage unit.

Yeah. This is crazy. And I didn't actually see like a ton of people really reacting to this but that's actually nuts yeah i think that part of it might be because this was like a a long time in the making there was a whole well we can talk a little bit more about it later but intel has been sort of tepid on the whole man flash thing for quite some time just like i'm tepid on continuing this video without first rolling the intro wow smooth thanks thanks that moment when wanshow starts so late that uh that other show we do what's it called

heckling are we like already live i bet i see comments about that on the flip the cup like they're like oh tech link just went live give me a sec uh no tech link is tech link is not live for the day so there you go all right all right why don't we jump right into our big topic for the day do you want to walk us through this people keep giving me a hard time about doing all the talking on wan show i have gotten so many comments and so many tweets about this over especially the last probably month or so but the problem is every time i'm like hey luke do you want to walk us through this one he just like doesn't say anything because he's like busy running float plane over there or

something or he says like two things and then just like waits for me to weigh in so i'm gonna say nothing you're gonna give us your whole take on this i'm going to zip my lips and stop talking in a moment i just i've got i will get this momentum going and it takes me a while to stop so i'm done talking still rolling now i will so before i get into it i will i will say that it has been it has become much harder to do the co-hosty role um since we became remote because it's a lot harder to read body language and do all that other kind of stuff to make sure that i'm like inserting at the right time there's also a certain amount of discord lag so it makes it a little bit more difficult of like knowing when i should start and when i should stop talking so that's a big part of

it it's not all online it's for sure but um you can't see this on screen but alex alex hutchinson or at bang bang click on twitter went Went for some spicy takes recently. That was very, very noticed online. His original tweet. Very noticed. Very noticed. Very noticed 2020. It got a lot of...

When your tweet gets 5.1 thousand comments, but only 7.9 thousand likes, you did something. And it might not be something good and when the follow-up tweet to that gets 18 000 comments and still only 5.1 thousand likes you know you didn't do something great uh his take starts with streamers worried about getting their content pulled because they've used music which context for this there was a lot of dmca takedown emails that came from twitch about people's back catalog,

music being used in that back catalog that went out very recently. This is something we knew was coming. We've talked about this on the WAN show in the past, but the action really happened very recently. So again, he says streamers worried about getting their content pulled because they used music they didn't pay for should be more worried by the fact that they're streaming games they didn't pay for should be more worried by the fact that they're streaming games they didn't pay for as well. It's all gone as soon as publishers decide to enforce it. And he follows that up with

the real truth is streamers should be paying the developers and publishers of the games they stream. They should be buying a license like any real business and paying for the content they use. like any real business and paying for the content they use. This is interesting. And people aren't going to like this, but I don't completely disagree with him in all scenarios. I think it should be up to the publisher. And I think basically any publisher that tried to enforce it that way would be an idiot.

And we have experienced this in the past. We saw it with Nintendo. What did you say? Sorry. Sorry. i had something really stupid caught in my throat there nintendo yeah exactly sorry i think we saw this with nintendo in the past and it was stupid and everyone hated it and the the the viewers hated it and the streamers hated it and it was bad for nintendo in a lot of ways and they've they've eased up on it in in more recent years and it has been significantly better for the viewers and the streamers and nintendo like it is just holistically better for everyone there are some scenarios where i question how real

that would necessarily be games that are extremely narrative focused yeah basically walking simulator games pretty much the whole experience can be had by watching it and in those scenarios those developers might not want people to stream it and i think they should have the right to be like yeah i don't want you to stream my game um that being said having the right and should do are different and his verbiage here is talking about uh like something that will happen as if it's inevitable and he says specifically they should be buying a license i do not believe that game streamers should be buying a license and i think 2020 of any year is a great example for why that shouldn't be a thing. Games that are popping off are Fall Guys, Among Us.

Those games would not have popped off if it wasn't for streamers. And perfect hardline evidence for that is Among Us. Among Us didn't launch and immediately become popular with streamers. No, it was like two years ago, wasn't it? Yeah, Among Us was out for a long time and was irrelevant.

Yeah. It was a cool little game, but it had, I think, peaks of like 200 concurrent players. And now it has peaks of like, oh my God, everyone, including like American politicians and the biggest YouTubers and also the biggest Twitch stars. That game was made by streamers. Like the success of that game, sorry, was made by streamers.

So the take is bad, but it becomes a lot more interesting when you look into... Who Alex Hutchinson is? And when you look into the way he is operating and using things. We'll get into what he does in a moment. I want to do one thing before you chime in. I want to debate with you. Okay.

Okay, hold on, hold on. I can shut up. This is a skill I have. I want to debate with you. Okay. Okay, hold on. I can shut up. This is a skill I have. I can remain silent. My favorite thing, which was pointed out by Jacksepticeye, I didn't recognize this at first, the cover photo or whatever you want to call it, the banner photo that he has on Twitter for Savage Planet,

that is some game that he worked on. Except the cover photo is of Jacksepticeye. It's a fan art. It's not his. Alex doesn't own that. The person in the photo is supposed to be Jacksepticeye in the game. And what is cut off, what is cropped off,

and no, it doesn't just not show up because Twitter squished it. If you click on the photo, it is still not there, but you can see three little lines that come up from it is the signature of the person who drew the fan art. There is no attribution and no credit given to the person who drew the fan art. So does his opinion only go as far as music and games and does not reach into the realm of, of, of, of art in the form of something drawn? I'm not sure,

but he is also a creative director at SG and E Montreal studio. It used to say in his Twitter bio, it used to say in his twitter bio it used to say something different it used to say creative director at google stadia and has been updated since this all happened i'm not necessarily sure why um but yeah it was updated sorry you can go so i'm to jump in and agree with you. Okay. I thought you were going to debate me. No, I can't. Because the problem is that the way copyright law works and the way that it should work is that you own were to make a video, let's say they download,

you know, our review of the RTX 3080 and they play it back and they're like, oh, wow, this is some really good B-roll footage. And like, you know what? My 3080 is sitting in my rig over there. I don't feel like pulling it out and getting a camera. I'm gonna use this to supplement my content. Now, depending on how they do that, how they utilize the footage, do they leave in my commentary? Do they credit it? Is their work transformative enough?

Does it affect, what are the four pillars of fair use? Again, there's transformation, fair use. Here we go. So the purpose and pillars of fair use again? There's transformation, fair use. Here we go. So the purpose and character of your use. What's it for? So if it's for, you know, educating the public about the dangers of this Linus Tech Tips character, then that would be something that would be considered, you know, important for public interest and therefore more likely to fall to be to fall under fair use

the nature of the copyrighted work so that's where you get into the style of the game you could even make the argument that certain styles of game are inherently covered by fair use to play them i would make the argument that yeah go ahead so i was thinking about this and i and i strongly agree and i think a lot of multiplayer competitive games especially things like shooters yeah would totally fall under that and among us and fall guys are examples of content probably where the participants among us i think is just such a prime example the participants are the content yes all this is is like a setting it's it's kind of like medium yeah yeah it's kind of like making the argument that you know because you exist in this building whoever the builder of it is or architect of it is you know owns the the work that you do in it like

the film that you make in it it's's like, no, no, actually, the content is the interaction between these people on the spaceship that are trying to fix it or not. The third pillar is the amount and substantiality of the portion taken. So if you take just a little bit versus like you might do in a review. So David from our team did a review of Last of Us 2 where, yeah, he shows a lot of gameplay footage, but it's not just the amount, it's the substantiality of it.

So is it a lot of gameplay footage of wandering around? Or did he just make a mashup of every story cutscene and then upload it so that you don't have to buy the game? That's where you get into that one and then that ties in really nicely with pillar number four which is the effect of the use upon the potential market for the original art so once again depending on the type of game yeah among us is a key example of something where honestly streaming it can do pretty much nothing but get people amped on this game and wanting to play it. And the only way to play it legitimately is to buy it. It would be very, very, very difficult to make an argument that streaming Among Us reduces sales. There is games where it would be very, very easy to make an argument that streaming that game does reduce sales.

It's not that common, I'd say, but it is definitely a thing. And there are games where if I was a publisher for a lot of those games, honestly, I would still want them streamed. It's tough, though. It's really tough. But it is tough. And I can totally understand someone not having that opinion. If I was a developer for a really, really rich story-driven single-player experience game where I went out of my way to not embed it

with a bunch of microtransactions and crap. And I released this game for a fair price. You know, let's say $29.99 for this game. I'm a pretty small development studio, okay? And a whole bunch of streamers get out there, you know, the day before launch with their pre-release copies, pretty much upload, you know, the game skipping through the boring parts and into these like four, you know, a four part, uh, you know, four one hour videos uploaded to YouTube part one, part two, part three, part four. Okay. Now I've moved on to my next thing.

They're doing nothing in the longterm, actually promoting the game. They've just basically uploaded my game to YouTube and the reviews are great, but my sales suck. I would be really choked because that's a type of game that people claim to want. People say, hey, what happened to gaming? Why is everything microtransactions? Why is everything multiplayer only? What happened to long, deep single-player narratives? Well, that's something that could very well be what happened to long single-player narratives and also money.

But that is a factor. And ignoring that factor, I think, is not looking at the bigger picture in a fair manner yeah and i i think his take on it was terrible and i think the entire industry has has told him that time and time again at this point um and and hopefully someone who's a creative director at a freaking gaming studio and had at least something to do with Stadia, despite it no longer being in his bio. Yeah.

I would hope that he would understand that. And it genuinely concerns me for the future of the games that he has any opinion on their development of that he actually thought and or thinks that way. But ultimately, I don't think that is a common opinion in the industry if you look at how this is actually being dealt with by actual people um a lot of streamers are paid to play games not the other way around the other way around um and it's sort of like it's laughable right to say that oh well you know you should license the game and then you know the developer should so you should

pay to license the game and then the developer should pay you to play it like why am i just pulling money out of my right pocket to put in your right pocket and you pull it out of your left pocket to put it in my left pocket like why are we why are we playing why are we playing this this why are we doing this dance it doesn't make sense. You're just inflating a bunch of payment processors takes for no reason. Exactly. Which is personally offensive to me, but that's a different conversation. A hundred percent. But yeah, it's silly.

It's a bad take. And I think one thing that I would suggest to take from this is if you do watch a streamer and they are playing a very narrative heavy single player game yeah that doesn't necessarily look like it's it's mechanics or it's action or anything like that are really what make it good and what makes it good is the fact that you're you're basically like watching an interactive movie um maybe try to find a way to support those guys maybe don't buy some bits that day maybe maybe buy that game that day that might be a good idea or go buy some merch even a lot of games these days will have like a soundtrack or or a shirt or something like try try to throw something towards those developers because um i can i can definitely feel sympathy

for that and i love those types of games. Sometimes, I don't know. Sometimes I want other things. It's games, whatever. So yeah. Also, I just realized that he worked on my least favorite Assassin's Creed game ever. Thanks, buddy. How about that?

So Tankmaster in the YouTube chat says, the problem is streamers aren't protected by the EULA. They're actually breaking the terms of service the way game EULAs are written currently. And that is a good point. But the problem is that there's the legality and then there's the morality and then there's the court of public opinion there's sort of like multiple facets to any kind of decision like this from a legal point of view nintendo was right that's our mario sprite and no you may not monetize it like they weren't wrong but they were stupid you know um so from like uh from like a moral standpoint going after people that are honestly not making a ton of money you know people like speed runners or level designers

or like, yeah, like the kinds of, the kinds of, and again, that comes down to those four pillars, right? Speed running a game does not have nearly the effect on the potential market for the product as playing it properly

and having someone sit and watch you. You could make that argument. And okay, so, and then there's the, there's also the court of public opinion where you can do these things and you might be legally and maybe even morally correct, but people are going to hate you for it. And at the end of the day,

you're a business that relies on the goodwill of your customers. So maybe you just better not do that. Now, the problem with fair use, I actually, we had a really interesting fair use conversation in our community this week. What happened was um oh man when was it i have a stream called addressing the drama from about a thousand years ago a year ago i think addressing the drama it was at least a year ago streamed a year ago all right so a year

ago we had an issue where a smaller youtuber was issued a copyright notice. To be clear, that is not the same thing as a copyright strike. So there was no effect on their channel. But what happens is if you're issued a copyright notice, it means that some other entity, whether it's like a music label or another YouTuber or a movie house, some other entity said, hey, your video contains my copyrighted content. So you

need to let me monetize that video, but it's okay. You can leave it up and there's no, there's no strikes on your channel. It's not going to get deleted or anything, but that's actually my content and you need to give me the money. So what happened was we issued through our MCN, a copyright notice to a smaller YouTuber for some game player. Actually, it was benchmark footage that was included in their video. Now, we dug into what happened. It was not something we did maliciously, and it was not something that we did manually or on purpose at all. And what happened was our threshold for recognizing our video clips. So we enabled a feature through our MCN or multi-channel network that will look for our footage

in other people's videos and claim against it because we've had big problems in the past with people just re-uploading our videos to these rando no-name channels. And it's actually a lot of my time personally to take those down. Like I have to go fill out a whole form. And when I have to do like six or eight of them a day, like it's very time consuming. And I'm sure you guys would

rather me just spend my time making videos rather than taking down other people's re-uploads of them. So we enabled this feature, but what happened was the threshold was set very low. I think it was set to about 15 seconds of match. And so it grabbed benchmark footage, like screen cap of a benchmark that they also used and claimed it. Now, all it was a matter of doing was saying, hey guys, what's up?

And we said, oh, sorry about that. Reverse the claim. All you have to do is dispute the claim and it'll send a notification back to whoever claimed it. We got that all sorted out and um we changed our threshold to a minute now what happened this week was another youtuber in this case it was adored tv uploaded a video and the the kind of ironic thing about it was that, I think probably from his perspective, was that his video used a chunk of our video as sort of like validation that his take was correct. It was a clip of me agreeing with him. And then I think what happened was he got this notification.

was he got this notification. Oh, by the way, Linus Media Group Inc, actually Fullscreen Inc has claimed this content because it contains, you know, however long, I think it was 57 seconds or whatever it was of copyrighted content from this video from Linus Media Group Inc. I forget exactly what the wording of the notice that he got was,

but apparently not being familiar with this wording, he thought, or like with this process, he thought that we had manually claimed the video and we're taking his revenue. And what happened anyway, the point is, I found out about it. We got it dealt with in about 10 minutes. It's all sorted out. We had some Twitter feuding and we're good now. It's all water under the bridge. But what was really interesting about this whole ordeal was that it raised some really interesting conversations about what exactly is fair use and how does it work? um when people thought that this was me manually claiming his money yeah it's like i don't know what the ad sense on it would be like 60 by the time i had looked at it like it didn't have a ton of views yet um definitely worth the drama i can understand the decision there i need that 60

that badly i really do um and to be clear once it's reversed it all goes back to the original creator i don't keep any of it even if it was like claimed by me for two hours or whatever um so people seem to think that this was like me being evil and not understanding fair use and like minus this is clearly fair use the thing about fair use is that it's actually not cut and dried what it is is it's four pillars, not four things you can argue in court, basically. Yes. And you actually, I'm glad that you mentioned, I'm glad you mentioned arguing court because the way that it works is you actually have to argue these things and there's no clear measurement for, you know, what people had all kinds of thoughts about how fair use worked.

Well, it was a minute of content, but it was only 4% of the total video because it was a much longer video. Therefore, it's fair use. No, that's not how that works. Or people would say, well, he wasn't saying anything mean about Linus, so it's fair use. Which again, no, it's not how that works. I'd almost say if you were saying something mean, it would probably be easier to place it as a review. And you'd probably get by with it almost more easily in the eyes of a jury or something. Well, it depends.

Because if it was defamatory, then you could make the argument that its effect on the potential market was very negative because he's effectively attacking the opinion of someone who lives and dies or the reputation of someone who lives and dies by their reputation. But that's what it is. So that's why it actually doesn't matter how much of it it was or are all these arbitrary things that people seem to have latched on to as like what definitely makes something fair use fair use is an argument it is not a set of rules so the purpose and character of your use the nature of the copyrighted work the amount and substantiality of the portion taken, and the effect on the potential market for the original work. And remember too, that fair use, like these guidelines,

as far as I know, are just based on United States copyright laws. They are not necessarily applicable in every jurisdiction around the world. So you could very easily be infringing on the copyright of some developer in Lithuania or something. To be clear, I know absolutely nothing about Lithuanian copyright law, but fair use might not necessarily apply. And if somehow they managed to get you dragged into a Lithuanian legal proceeding, it might not go well for you. I don't know how they do that. Maybe you have a stopover in Lithuania on the way to wherever it is you're flying to once the world returns to normal. But the point is, somehow they get you extradited. The point is, fair use is not as simple as people seem to think that it is. The very fact that you are a game streamer and therefore streaming games

is fair use. No, not to the law. But in the same way that you would have to make your argument to a court about why what you're doing is fair use, whoever is defending their copyright would have to make an argument to a court about that it is not fair use which is why as we saw with that whole h3h3 thing that went down a couple years ago now i think it was this kind of legal proceeding can get very long very drawn out and very very expensive which is why it's far better so back to what the law is versus what you should do, it's far better to just not put this much work and money into doing nothing but off your customers and just let people game stream.

So that's why Alex Hutchinson's take is bad. Not because he's wrong, but because it's a bad, dumb take. It's just stupid. And a lot of the verbiage that he used was him saying what people should do. Not what is like entirely within their rights or what they're capable of. He was like, no, this is how it should work, blah, blah, blah.

And that's really dumb. So that was a bad take. And that's why it was so bad i think he could have gotten what i'm hoping was his point across uh in a different way if he didn't use that type of wording i also think it is truly hilarious that he isn't uh attributing the artist for his for his uh cover photo that that is like that really makes this whole thing like so much worse and the fact that jacksepticeye posted that i i'm sure he saw jacksepticeye's post i doubt it jacksepticeye he's a pretty small figure in the gaming space he's probably never heard of him

the fact that he hasn't responded and like, I don't know, apologized. Or just changed it. Quiet. Fine. Or changed it. Yeah. You don't want to own your mistake. Fine. Quietly change it then.

Do something. Why is it still there? Do you remember how I said like it had a lot of traction, but it didn't have like the interaction you would want. I was pointing out the like comments versus likes and stuff. Yeah. Did you see how many times it got ratioed? Yeah. the like comments versus likes and stuff yeah just how many times he got ratioed yeah basically

jacksepticeye's post got 48 000 likes he's got 5.1 yeah i forget who i saw who just posted um oh yeah i think it was pokemane was just like i'm gonna just put this here so that you can see how badly you're gonna get ratioed or something like that oh my god yeah that probably blew up oh lordy oh so dumb i only learned that term today by the way oh really okay me too ratioed yeah yeah i i learned it from this i was like oh that makes sense that's that's funny i've seen that happen before i'm glad we have a word for that you know what else i'm glad we have a word for our sponsors spots that's the wrong thing you know what i'm just i'm just gonna word for? Our sponsors. That's the wrong thing. You know what?

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You can go to buildredux.com or click the link in the description to enter to win an RTX 3080. Wow, that's like a $3,000 value. Depending on how you want to do the math. On that subject, why don't we talk about who dumped this one in the dock? Anthony posted this in the dock. A large Danish retailer going by the name of ProShop has released statistics for the RTX 30 series sales and the orders that they've shipped. And let me put it this way. It doesn't look promising.

It brokey. It brokey. ProShop ordered 16 SKUs for each class of GPU from Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, and Inno3D. And here are the statistics as of October 22nd, which was yesterday. ProShop ordered 2,012 units. Of that, 309 have been delivered or are incoming, which is a fulfillment rate of 15%. 312 unfilled orders with 161 delivered to customers, making for a delivery rate of 34 65 if you count the confirmed incoming cards but those have not technically shipped to customers yet in spite of

the fact that these cards have been available for weeks um for the rtx 3080 wow that's 3090 they've only shipped 309 to proShop? Okay, all right. Wow, that's a lot of GPU. How many people, like that many people are buying $1,500 graphics cards? Okay, sorry. No wonder NVIDIA like has enough money to buy ARM. RTX 3080, ProShop says they ordered 9,010

and have received 8711 including those which are incoming a fulfillment rate of 9.7 they have luke's laughing he's reading ahead of me here 3772 unfilled orders and have managed to deliver only 504 to customers, a delivery rate of 12% or 20% if we count the confirmed incoming cards. Now they've even put RTX 3070 numbers in here, which is interesting because RTX 3070 has not launched and the embargo hasn't lifted yet, but they apparently pre-ordered 4,330. I mean, they might as well have just pre-ordered 4,330 i mean they might as well have just pre-ordered 40,000 for all it matters like they're only going to get however many they get they only got 206 counting those that are incoming um 4.8 fulfillment rate baby doing well

oh so these early figures indicate that NVIDIA's stock situation may not have improved since the delay of the RTX 3070. And it's funny because that was like, wasn't that why they said they were delaying the RTX 3070? So that they could build up more stock? Yeah. And again, the funny thing is like, RTX 3070 is a completely different GPU.

Like it's not even a ga 102 it's a ga i don't know if this is public information tech power up says it is a ga 104 um i think no tech power up does not say that uh let's find someone who says it is videocards.com says the 3070 mobile. Ah, dang it. Okay. VideoCards.net. I just need someone I can cite here. Yeah. VideoCards.net says that the 3070 is a GA104 GPU. There you go. So it's a completely different GPU. Now it is built on the same eight nanometer Samsung process, according to VideoCards.net. Here, see, look. There, it's on there. See, look, look, it's on there.

The four, eight nanometer process, okay? Right there. It's plain as the nose on my face. And that's a substantial size nose, Luke, let me tell you. And so you could argue that, you could argue it two ways. You could say, okay, well, I can see why they can't

deliver any 3080s because they're busy shipping all the ga102s as 3090s which cost twice as much or whatever um and then you could say you know with 3070 well there's no excuse because all the good ga104 should just go straight into 3070s but the thing is because it's built on the same process node from Samsung, however much eight nanometer waferage they've managed to get booked is pretty much the bottleneck for how many of these cards total they can actually build. So what I think, this is just a guess, this is a total hot take, and it may be just as bad as the one from Alex Hutchinson earlier, but probably not. What I think is that NVIDIA delayed the launch of the 3070 so that they could build up inventory

of the 3080 and the 3090. I don't think that they've been beavering away building up inventory of 3070 because if I was NVIDIA and I had any fab allocation, I'd say, you print them 3090s, baby. You print them 3090s real good. And then if you print a bad one, yeah, we're going to ship that as a 3080.

We ship as many of these as we possibly can. Because RTX 3070 is supposed to be, let me just make sure, MSRP, blah, blah, blah. According to Tom's guide, it's going to be $500, making it a far, far smaller transaction from NVIDIA's standpoint. Now, because you want to maintain a good relationship with your customers, you definitely do want to ship some of these. I can just see why they wanted to give themselves a little bit of time. It is pretty clear to me at this point that Nvidia went super aggressive on their RTX 3000 pricing, knowing full well that they were not going to be able to ship enough of them just as a gigantic

to Sony, Microsoft, and AMD, because there is no reason why they couldn't have charged 20% more for these, 30% more for them. You can see it. People are paying that price on eBay. People are desperate for something to finally run their games faster. It's been so long, if you're a high-end consumer, that they could have pretty much charged whatever they wanted for them. But it's very clear that they came in at these prices knowing they weren't going to have enough out of the gate because they wanted to put pressure on their competition. And the problem is that if I'm Nvidiavidia i can't launch them at a high price today and then drop my price six weeks later or eight weeks later when the new consoles launch or when amd launches a competitor because then i look reactionary so nvidia pretty much had to shoot themselves in the foot to avoid shooting themselves in the face if you think about it from

like a thousand foot strategic view yeah i kind of feel bad for jensen i mean not really because i think he has a new leather jacket for every day of the week yeah i was gonna say i think that's a pretty difficult person to feel bad i think especially financially. I think his kitchen costs as much as my house, but... Yeah. It's a nice kitchen. You seen that kitchen? Just the oven, dude. You seen that kitchen? Just the... Just what looks like the marble backdrop to the oven carved by

ancient Greeks. By nymphs. Nymphs. Yeah. I think just that might cost as much as like... I don't know. Definitely my apartment. Alright. Now, something to bear in mind about I think just that might cost as much as, like, I don't know. Definitely my apartment. All right. Now, something to bear in mind about all of these figures is that NVIDIA's, is that Europe has largely gotten the short end of the stick

with respect to RTX 3000 series allocation, apparently, allegedly. And it's important to keep in mind that Denmark itself is relatively tiny with a population of just 5.8 million as of 2019 but the orders were placed i don't know if that's very relevant oh yeah it's relevant it's relevant why would the population of the area be relevant versus the orders placed um because what i can tell you is that coming from a retailer in a relatively small region because compared to china or the u.s canada is a relatively small region absolutely yeah the kinds of orders that we would place would be very different from what someone like a new egg would place

so in the same way we might order you know okay so let's look at pro shop so canada was a um hold on a second i'm getting team's messages here bug me monday please don't message right now it pings the whole win show smiley face uh okay so canada right so we might order 5,000 units of RTX 3090. We might try to backorder 5,000 units. By comparison, someone like a Newegg might have 80,000 units on backorder. Totally different scale. So do you think that would affect the fulfillment rate of those orders? I think that it can have a weight

because if because here's what you got to understand in the event that all of a sudden nvidia suddenly magically figures out their production and they actually ship you 2000 gpus you have to be able to sell them right so there's a number of factors at play here. One is how many you want to order to indicate what you think you can sell, right? How many NVIDIA actually thinks you can sell? And remember that they have a ton, a ton of historical data to go on because these are retailers that they'll have been working with for years and board partners that they've been working with for years. And even going back to when I was in the business, this is not the kind of thing that NVIDIA will just leave to their board partners like an ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, and Inno3D. right at launch is going in and hand allocating based on who they think can actually move the inventory, who they think is strategically more important from like a marketing and visibility

standpoint. I was actually going to try to bring that up because I bet you, despite this literally happening, and this is evidence that is going to be against what I'm going to say, I would suspect the American slash North American crowd would probably be a little bit more screechy about these types of problems than a lot of other demographics. So you might want to allocate to them a little bit more because of that. And even within a region, you might find particular customers that are going to be louder and more upset and or make more sense to support, like your system integrators.

NVIDIA has a long and storied history of making sure that system integrators, who rather than making, selling, you know, one card, are selling an entire gaming experience to who is effectively an NVIDIA customer at the end of the day, you could make the argument that those are more important, those are more timely. Those are more

timely because whoever's ordering an individual card presumably already has a graphics card of some sort, whereas someone ordering a full system may not actually have a functioning system. So there's all kinds of factors that come into play when they're deciding how to do these things. I remember one of them being, I can't remember what card this was. Uh, and whatever, I'm whatever NDA I signed it NCIX. I can't imagine it still applies, but, um, I remember this one time when I think this was in the Fermi days. So this would be, um, ah, was it four 80 or something like that? Maybe it was, maybe it was 285. I don't remember. It was a period of time where NVIDIA was not particularly competitive. Um, and what they

essentially wanted us to do must've been, must've been 280, 285. I, I'm sorry. I, it escapes me when exactly it was. It was a time when Nvidia wasn't particularly competitive in the mid range. And they basically were like, you can order, you're allowed to order a hundred of these like cards everyone wants, but you have to take like 600 of these ones that like nobody wants. And I was like, um, okay, but like, how am I going to sell 600, 9,600 GSs or whatever? I don't remember what it was. I really wish that I did because I was like, how on earth am I going to move these? You guys know, back at NCIX, we would sell, by unit count, we would sell more of an $800

graphics card than an $800 graphics card than an $80 graphics card because it just wasn't our business. Meanwhile, the Best Buy right down the street would sell 20 to one of that $80 card versus the $800 card. It's just different customers, different expectations. I worked at that Best Buy down the street.

We did not move the expensive cards like ever. Exactly. It collected dust. Exactly. to that Best Buy down the street. We did not move the expensive cards like ever. It collected dust. Exactly. So I remember that sometimes allocation of a product you want is dependent on how much you can move of a product that NVIDIA is trying to get rid of. Now, NVIDIA hasn't been in a position where they've had to really get rid of anything

in like many years now. They've had a lot. They've ridden from one success to another. But I know that that used to affect things. So there's the relationship. There's the optics from like an outsider standpoint of like who should be getting cards. There's the history.

There's the, you know, how much are they, how much are they scratching your back? How much do you want to scratch their back? It's business. It's business, guys. It's not as simple as like, well, I placed an an order so i should get it um and this is the kind of stuff that consumers can't and shouldn't have to care about but at the end of the day if you want to understand what's going on you just you sort of have to what do you want me to tell you

i mean yeah those those are going to be the things that you are suddenly concerned with now that these numbers were published um i wonder how uh their their order can get filled after publishing this information probably not too great do you want a pro tip by the way guys if you want to get a card one of the best ways to get one is instead of queuing up for a skew that already exists wait for a new launch of like, uh, Asus is doing a Gundam edition card, for example, you will pay more, but it'll cost you less than scalping one of the other ones on eBay. And you will probably get, you know, a brand new card with a warranty from a retailer, um, versus having to wait for it. So waiting around for like a kingpin edition or ftw 76 super clock plus ko whatever their stupid suffixes are now over at evga so if you wait around for a new skew launch typically if i'm in asus or

an evga or gigabyte or whatever i'm squirreling away enough gpus so that i can do a launch even though i know that it's going to sell it right away. And I had, I saw people just order like the wrong SKU and just sit in the queue like forever, especially if it's an entry level one. Cause if I'm an EVGA, you know, what's my higher priority. I want to fill every customer order and I will eventually fill your order. I promise. But am I going, which one am I going to but which one am I going to prioritize more? You know, an FTW3 ACS cooler, super, super, super clock that I make, you know, $60 or $70 on or a base model one

at the basic NVIDIA suggested MSRP where I make like 35 bucks a card. Well, probably the one that keeps my business running, right? What do you want? That's just the reality of it. There's not a lot of margin in this for board partners. That's how everything is going to work at like every company ever.

Yeah. And even the ones that by and large have, you know, a strong ethical base to them and really care about their customers and love their customers, they still have to keep the doors open. So they have to be in open so and they can do both but there's going to be priority levels on things you know of course of course all right what else do we want to talk about today we have only gotten through two topics i blame luke he talked for so long about that first one i could barely get a word in it that luke he's always talking so much i i was ripping through that thing uh we've got some

alleged rx 6800 xt benchmarks these are from video cards now they're not actual games which means that like who cares but means they're super lame but it's still kind of cool you know go ahead keep talking no no i i want you to i want you to i i i i don't like that they're actual games i i don't like that it's like times five fire strike and and uh what's the other one port royal or something port royal or something. Port Royal. Did you say boat? Yeah. I remembered port. 3DMark boat.

I think you're thinking of Aquamark and it's a submarine. There's your new idea, 3DMark. Just make one called boat. Boat. But yeah, there you go. Perfect. Do it. I'd benchmark my computer on that.

Guaranteed. Yeah, it does. I'd benchmark my computer on that. Guaranteed. Yeah, it does. I mean, it does well. It crushes in Fire Strike Ultra. It succeeds quite strongly in Time Spy. And then, you know, it doesn't do that great in Port Royal. But if I remember correctly, Port Royal is like entirely ray tracing based. So hopefully it's good. i don't know i'm still maybe the whole all red computer thing is is more legit than than i had potentially thought and i think honestly as long as amd

doesn't like trip fall and smash their face with this launch i think it'll be great because people will they'll look like good guys yeah they'll they'll look like good guys they'll be able to sell cards because no one else can buy the other cards yeah so like hooray they they just need to not yeah they need to not completely fumble the launch and then i believe in amd good yeah but i believe in them both ways i believe that they cannot fumble a launch and i believe that that they cannot fumble a launch, and I believe that they can hard fumble a launch. I love those guys,

but they've done some doofus stuff over the years. This is an interesting one. Tyler Witt says, and do you follow the logic here? Tyler Witt in the YouTube chat says, this is not prerecorded. Look at how oily their hair is. My hair's not oily.

Oh, mine is, but I still don't follow the logic. Because my hair is oily, this couldn't possibly be prerecorded? I guess he's saying, like, if we were going to prerecord it, we would put enough prep in to, like, wash our hair. Which is a misguided statement, for sure. Yeah, he clearly doesn't know us at all. Like, that's not a thing that I would do. All right.

Intel has sold their NAND storage unit to SK Hynix. In March 2020, Intel CFO George Davis said the company was unable to sell enough SSDs to make a profit from the 3D NAND chips it made at its Dalian China factory. Said they were exploring options such as closing the factory and buying chips from others, selling chips to third parties and buying SSDs from a third party. They've reached a deal to sell their flash memory business

to SK Hynix for about $9 billion. Billion dollars. So they'll be getting the majority of Intel's memory business plus the memory manufacturing options in Dalian. They will not be getting the Optane division. So Optane clearly has more margin in it and Intel held onto it.

So market share was about 11%. This will give Hynix roughly 20% market share overall compared to Samsung at 31, Kioxia at 17. SK Hynix does have a 15% stake in Kioxia though. WD at 16 and Micron at 13.7. I'm actually pretty surprised at how big WD's stake is. Yeah, I'm not. Because remember, they bought SanDisk way back.

Oh, okay. So that's all SanDisk. It's nothing to do with conventional WD spinning rust business. Oh, speaking of conventional business lttstore.com so we actually got two of our winners from the stealth pins shirt giveaway you're not by any chance wearing a stealth pins shirt are you no bummer okay oh you're wearing gpu all right oh you know what shirt i'm wearing float plate nice nice i put it on this morning i was like you know what we should do a big shout out for float plane over on the wan show today so that's what i meant we should and we have a

specific shout out for float plane we do but first get to later first i need to tell people to make sure they're subscribed because i've got a big announcement ladies and gentlemen's secret shopper is back was that too loud? Did I clip? I tried to move away from the mic. It got rid of the audio. Oh, okay. Well, Secret Shopper is back, baby. Secret Shopper is coming for you.

And it's too late for any of the system integrators to do anything about it. We have already gone through our entire purchase process. We have already gone through our entire purchase process. We have already gone through our tech support challenge. The system integrators that are included this year are iBuyPower, CyberPower, Dell HP, MainGear, and Origin PC. So we are gonna see what, if anything,

these system builders have learned in the last two years. Let me tell you right away, spoiler alert, some of them learned a lot. Some of them learned a whole lot of nothing. Some of them got worse, which is shocking considering which ones got worse. So you are going to see those videos early over on floatplane.com. Not to mention that we've got uh yeah that's right we're gonna have them windowed um so they're gonna be coming probably sometime in the next uh couple of few weeks here or so jake's been hard at work on this season uh i am going to be agent 006.9

we are going for a bond theme this year um david and David and Jake have been hard at work making it fun. So I posted a very small teaser a while back on social media of like a poker table. So like that's one of the sets for it. We're doing like a casino kind of style. Yeah. So it's going to be a lot of fun. I take it you guys are done filming. We are done filming.

Yeah. Well, we're not done filming. We're not done filming the like benchmark. We've done the whole ordering process. The whole ordering and tech support process. So it's too late for any of these system integrators to have any say good in what happens or to,

you know, beef up their phone lines or anything. Cause they know secret shoppers happen. It's been so long. I guarantee you some of them like totally got complacent. Um, anyway, so yeah,

guys get subscribed on flow plane, early access, uh, when we get to it and also, uh, some like exclusive behind the scenes stuff. Um, about the secret shopper part. Yeah. when we get to it and also uh some like exclusive behind the scenes stuff you know what the funny

part is about the secret shopper part yeah i i haven't talked about you guys doing that in a long time but in the last two weeks i have had two people talk to me and be like i know i know i know i know but i'm not going to build it myself also i want a 3000 series and this is a pretty decent way to get one etc etc etc i'm doing a pre-build do you have any suggestions and i've linked them the secret shopper series i've been like it's a little out of date but you should still like check this out and now you're updating it that's fantastic yep we've been meaning to do it for we meant to make it an annual thing so it clearly took us a hot minute to uh to get to that but uh derby smith asks can we get a floatplane shirt um

when we get the creator warehouse and floatplane integration working we will totally be able to do like little exclusive merch drops and stuff yeah um we'll be able to do that but right now we're just not set up for it so yeah sorry, sorry about that. We will though. Right. So the other thing I wanted to say, stealth pins. So our CPU stealth pins shirt on lttstore.com. Where, let me just pull, I'll just pull it up here. This one right here.

There are a handful of these out there. So see how there's kind of like an LTT logo in the pins. There are three of these out there that do not say LTT. If you got one of them, you won a gaming system. All you got to do is reach out to the LTT store support, prove to them that you got one that doesn't say LTT, and they're going to know what it says, so you're not going to be able to fake it with Photoshop.

And you will get a Cair vengeance gaming pc equipped with a core i7 10850k rtx 3080 32 gigs of memory a one terabyte m.2 with two terabytes of spinning rust so two of them have been claimed but one of them is still out there so if you bought a stealth pin cpu shirt guys let's go boys go check your shirt don't wait just run go look at it now see if it says ltt or not it's not mine because i i technically never got one um yeah no and we wouldn't have given it to you like what do you know also also i kind of alluded to this before but i can't guarantee you know if we'll ever do anything like this again or whatever but we did another giveaway stealthily stealthily so the foil t-shirt which i think sold out to wanshow viewers um not misprints by the way sorry misprints you guys you paid half price for your shirt but

there were no prize ones mixed in so we have randomly selected winners from our foil keyboard shirt buyers so if you notice something weird about your order when it arrives reach out to support and there may be an awesome surprise in store for you very cool some of them some of the foils might be different colors to indicate something or other oh let's see what they are um all right is there anything else we really want to talk about paypal to support cryptocurrencies wow i want to talk about uh uh a new a new floatplane entry sure yeah they actually have two new floatplane entries craft tv crap sorry oh my goodness. Craft TV. I just merged both the names together.

What a bad guy. Long TV and Craft Computing, two different creators, not one creator that I zombified together, have both joined a floatplane very recently. Check out Craft Computing. I know you guys did a collab together recently. We did.

That's actually very serendipitous timing because I don't think I even knew you were working on that. recently check out craft computing i know you guys did a collab together recently we did that's actually very serendipitous timing because i had i don't think i even knew you were working on that i'm working on things man they're coming together i'm working on things i just said i didn't know you're working on that yeah yeah and he he's actually one of the the first oh he has 17 subs already he has his numbers public that's pretty cool cool um he he is one of the first creators to use the multi-content post feature so he has one video that is actually six videos pretty cool yeah check it out all right uh let me just see if there's anything else ea is getting sued for loot boxes in canada class action lawsuit saying ea has been

profiting off of an illegal gambling business by selling random loot boxes for cash get wrecked yeah that sounds about right similar to a suit in california that says fifa's ultimate team mode is effectively gambling yep sounds about right it's about time the thing is like why did why did game developers and publishers why did they have to push the limit like if they had just if they had just chilled a little bit you know if they had just kept it small instead of being the thing that funds game development they could have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those darn kids gambling there was the kids who were gambling that are like i think i think genuinely very accepted by the majority of the community like i don't know these days i know

there's been some changes to the store and how it works and stuff but i don't know how it works i don't play anymore but um legal legends at its inception had some like negative feedback at first because they were honestly pretty early on the the like microtransactions game. But everyone was usually okay with it. It was a free game, and you could buy some skins for heroes that you cared about and whatever else. That was pretty accepted.

But in games, especially MMOs, where you have to pay for the box and for expansions and monthly, and they have a cash shop for for games where you have to pay like full fat like 60 70 bucks for the game and there's content that was like clearly held from being like a cool quest reward or something in the game and has now been put into a cash shop like that kind of stuff is just ridiculous and like you you know that it's negatively affecting the game to a certain degree because because a lot of this stuff is like some of the best art assets that they have

and it could have like definitely been some like cool reward for accomplishing something whatever it is but instead it's like nope 20 bucks or more aj and floatplane chat says hey you should really show the floatplane page for craft computing so i'm gonna do that there you go floatplane page that's what it looks like got the subscribers up in there got the tears over in there uh there you go that's what that's supposed to look like hey there you go aj sorry about that all right um yeah you're getting this man designs mcbroken a site that displays all the broken ice cream machines in all mcdonald's a site that shows you where mcdonald's ice cream machines are broken so you don't accidentally go to one that has a

broken thing interesting so the developer rashik zahid came up with McBroken after realizing that the online order site can be used to determine if their ice cream machine is working or not. If you can't order a cone, it's broken. He then exploited that flaw and wrote a bot that tries to order an ice cream cone at every McDonald's in the USA and reports back onto a map. That is and reports back onto a map. That is hilarious. This comes after much trial and error. Initially, he created an API that attempted to add a McSunday

from every McDonald's location to its cart once every minute, and the app figured out what he was up to and blocked him. He then determined he can make an API call every 30 minutes undetected. So he now has a bot that can tell the real-time ice cream status twice an hour.

That's hilarious. It's amazing that 7.16% of all of them are down. And like certain areas, like, I wonder if this correlates with how many, like how much ice cream is being sold and i wonder if you can compare that to like how hot it is in that area so how much people are looking for like cold refreshments but yeah phoenix arizona 15.56 percent of ice cream machines are down that's so frustrating because like i've gone to mcdonald's for the express purpose of getting an ice cream because like i don't know what the heck else you would eat there and the ice cream machine's been broken and like yeah i'm choked like i'm choked it is a

bit of a meme like it it does happen a lot so yeah hilarious all right scrolling in on the map of phoenix and seeing how many red dots there are is kind of crazy actually let's go ahead and get through a few super chats and then we're gonna call it uh robert male says the ria is coming for your github repos downloading videos is now circumvention of technological protection measures oh okay uh philip says hey hey. Hey, Philip. What's up, Mona Lisa? Brandon, no, I cannot adopt you. Sorry. Andre says, the first time I catch WAN Show Live at almost 3 a.m. here in Italy. Well, you've probably gone to bed now

by the time I read your super chat. Sorry about that. Daniel Woods says, message retracted. Way to go, Daniel. Nice. Yeah, still a major thing anyway. janko flex says up in the middle of the night here in sweden with my four-day-old son he seems to like the show as well as his older sister keep it up you're my daughter's favorite youtube star all right thank

you nice uh nader i love that twitch streamers are trying to say they're promoting the songs and saying dmca is a group of people not a law welcome to real copyright policy which is what youtube has had for years yeah yeah streamers who think that they're going to songs and saying DMCA is a group of people, not a law. Welcome to real copyright policy, which is what YouTube has had for years. Yeah. Yeah. Streamers who think that they're going to be able to get away with songs. Yeah. You got away with the whole game thing. Feel lucky. I agree with that aspect of, of what's, what's his name? There is, there is. I don't, I, I, I, I, I'm not feeling it this much for songs,

but there is some argument there and there have some, there have been some artists that have, that have come out and either directly worked with their publisher to make sure that it's okay to play their songs on Twitch or, um, expressed that they don't agree with how their publisher is treating it because, um, especially streamers that accredit properly and like will show like a shop uh spotify thing in the bottom corner it'll show what's currently playing etc i could see that as being good promotion or a buy link whatever

because it's all about what's the impact on the original work right yes but if you're making it so that because like if i if i go to a stream and there's a song playing and i dig it and i can't relatively easily figure out what that song is that's silly unless they have the rights to do that um but i think if they're like actively promoting the music as if i was a musician i would probably want that to happen because I don't gain anything from it not being played. And I don't think there's any opportunity cost there. I don't think someone's going to go, oh, I'm going to watch this streamer because I can listen to this specific song instead of watching it on YouTube where it's almost certainly going to be and also be free or somewhere else like i i honestly i in general i don't agree with the music argument and i think in it almost every case as long as it's properly attributed the music artist is gaining quite a bit by being on twitch but the same as the game argument it's still in their court and they should be able to make that decision i think they are improperly making that decision but they should

be able to make that decision and it comes down to precedent right like the music industry hasn't set this precedent that you're just like allowed to use music in your in your in your other art they do not consider mute like you know you can't make a movie and be like yeah we're gonna we're gonna put playing with the boys in our movie and it's transformative enough because our movie is you know the art and this is just supplemental. Like music has been considered integral as part of the greater viewing experience of whatever other type of medium it's integrated with in such a way that's really poorly worded. medium it's integrated with uh in such a way that's really poorly worded the point is music has never been seen as having been transformed by visuals set to it it has never worked that way so there's no precedent for them to have to give in in this way and the other part is that while game developers are directly off their customers by not allowing twitch streamers to play the games

on stream music labels don't seem to see it that way even though if they're making the argument that people listening to it on the stream is digging into their sales then they do understand they're their customers i don't know i don't know maybe they think yeah i think i think a lot of music labels are treating this improperly for uh in regards to their own benefit and i think they would be much better off if they actually let the streamers play the songs um but but that's yeah that's their thing you know they can they can make the wrong decision there as much as they want uh cyrus zeer says hashtag undertale also since nvidia screwed canada for the founders edition how do you feel doing something like selling gpus on lttstore.com you know we've talked about it

we've talked about just like turning lttstore.com into a computer parts shop um so far we're not going to do that anytime soon uh samad says if you're worried your game will stop selling because streamers playing it maybe the gameplay part is not fun it's just a bunch of cut scenes tied together with bandages by that logic movies are just a bunch of cut scenes and you shouldn't pay for them like that's that's a terrible take i can't believe you spent 200 whatever those are to tell me that. A game, despite being called a game, doesn't actually have to sell entirely off of its gameplay. There are a lot of games that are cinematically beautiful, narratively beautiful, voiced very well, really good music. It can be quite an experience.

And the whole point could be the experience. And it's still a great game. Yeah. quite an experience and the whole point could be the experience and it's still a great game yeah yeah by that logic you know i shouldn't make any i should i shouldn't let people just replay my videos on twitch because the gameplay isn't fun and so no one will buy my video like what are you talking about um nicholas says i've been pondering putting a tv in my bathroom like you my question is that my tub is in a full wet room with an enclosed shower and i'm worried about moisture do you know of any waterproof tv uh i don't i'm just yoloing it andy the lab says can i have your asus bfgd i have two out of three and i want to test sim racing testing for triple monitor off 230 90s uh i don't even i don't even know if we have it we might have

like given it away at the christmas party or something to be honest with you i kind of doubt we have it uh hopefully no one from asus is watching uh speaking of which uh lng is hiring oh yeah right we're hiring um what are we hiring again so linusmediagroup.com slash jobs dash one. I don't know what's up with that URL. We're hiring a full-time writer. Duties include generating video concepts, coordinating with product managers and their agencies,

testing and benchmarking PC hardware. If you think you're an Anthony, then get in touch because we just don't have quite enough Anthonys. So basically we got that and then full-time writer slash host. So if you think you're well

an anthony whatever go look at the go look at the job postings if your name is anthony yeah if your name is anthony and you don't have quite enough full-time jobs then uh anthony go ahead and apply and we can have you work one shift from 9 to 5 30 or whatever that math works out to and then you can take an hour off and you can work another shift from six until about five in the morning. Maybe do a longer lunch so that you kind of get a little bit of refresher time there. You can sleep for a few hours

and you can come back to the office. Sound good? Good. Nice. Solid. Sold. Yeah. We're also looking for a video editor and camera op, product coordinator, customer service rep for creator warehouse full-time developer for creator warehouse

graphic designer for creator warehouse also full-time full-time fashion designer for creator warehouse full-time pattern maker for creator warehouse and full-time retail product and inventory manager for creator warehouse we have one two three four five six seven eight nine ten we're hiring 10 people what the f***

um all right, cool. Uh, how about that? All right. Thanks, Matt Shatuck. And, uh, wow. Yeah, that's crazy. We're going to have so many people running for this damn company. See you later bye