The WAN Show - This Is A Royal Disaster - WAN Show March 15, 2024

Starting point is 00:00:00 We've got a great show for you guys today. Did you know that your car is a snitch? That's right. Mine's not. The snitch is gonna get some, well, you know, um, repairs. More expensive. Bondo. Monthly insurance. Also, where is Kate? I forgot her name. I was gonna say, let to say, what are all the Kates I know? Winslet, Kate Middleton. Where is Kate Middleton? That's right. We're going to be talking about the big scandal that's rocking the royal world.

Starting point is 00:00:34 That's our headline topic. Not because either of us gives two flying shits about what goes on with the royals. Nope. But I didn't know who this was. But because of the technology that seems to be at the core of what's going on. What else we got today? Yeah, speaking of technology, EU AI regulations. Are regulations good?

Starting point is 00:00:54 Do we not want them? Do we want them? Heated debate. We'll talk about it. Why do you pick such bad topics? Okay. It's like you prepare yourself for me to take all the good ones and you just work your way from the bottom amd ups the hurts is like all right amd ups the what's the hearts like would you pick that one take that one why would you pick that one what why would no i'm

Starting point is 00:01:15 not picking that yeah yeah i'm saying why would you think that weird notebook check article about our video would you pick that one no no okay uh what do we have left there's only two articles left would you pick fcc quadruples minimum internet speed required for broadband label no i would take the airbnb ben's cameras in airbnbs it's it's in the main topics i spilled past that i thought you took all the main topics airbnb bans cameras oh man Airbnb bans cameras Oh man The show is brought to you by The Ridge Squarespace and Vessi Alright why don't we jump right into

Starting point is 00:02:07 our headline topic now i know that you're an avid royal watcher so none of this is going to be news to you but kate middleton the princess of wales sure what does that mean um i think it means that she's not princess of the fire kingdom okay or lumpy space but water um because yeah i'm not look the rules seem really complicated because the elements are like lumps fire candy i don't really get it the point is there's a princess of wales and she's been the subject of intense news coverage and online speculation over the past few days after a mother's day image of her sent to various wire services turned out to have been significantly doctor now before well remember like newswire okay yeah like that kind that kind of that kind of wire services not like money wiring yeah so luke let's have a

Starting point is 00:03:03 look at this and see if there's anything that raises you haven't read through the notes yet right no good good good good good okay so we're gonna bring it up on here is there anything about this picture that raises the alarm bells to you without without looking at anything else no no no stop stop i was just trying to zoom stop my eyes are bad i'm immediately looking at hands okay um how are those how are those hands looking for you the hands seem fine so her left hand so right side for us um that like this thing that i'm doing yeah where it's just like they're all very straight and it's kind of a pan yep yep actually i'm seeing it on the other side a little bit too that's fairly common for once once ai imagery got good at fingers they started just making them like

Starting point is 00:03:46 here's a board of fingers but it's not quite happening her one finger there is a little bit separated so no i think the hands are fine yep i mean i couldn't help noticing that this is sharp and this hand is extremely blurry very blurry yeah um also that appears to be in the same plane as this hand, which is not especially blurry. Yeah. It looks like it's been touched up and doctored to a certain degree, but that would happen no matter what. Any picture of Royals is going to be touched up.

Starting point is 00:04:16 Is there anything here that jumps out to you as potentially problematic? Yeah, wait, what's going on? Oh, there's a sniper. There's a sniper! Duck, Kate! yeah wait what's going on oh there's a sniper there's a sniper oh my god kate the hair on the the right side of her head is like super fuzzy and i don't mean oh man i can't use that term it's very like blurred and also yeah like where's her shirt it just looks like a shadowed version of oh okay yeah i mean that could be a thing there could be

Starting point is 00:04:47 some there could be some biz there has been some surprisingly serious and poorly done question mark doctoring to her hair on the one side i don't know what's up with that okay her whole head looks like it might so not originate from this photo yeah so here's the thing oh oh oh okay let's look really closely at the the non-squared one on the left looks really closely on the right one her cheek dimples are those exactly the same it looks like maybe no uh sir it looks like maybe no. Sir, it looks like maybe yes. Look at how in, well, yeah, but she's going to have cheek dimples no matter what. So like look at how deep they are, like how wide her smile is, but how deep they are. Now scroll up and look in the other one.

Starting point is 00:05:33 Okay, yeah. Because this is overlaid, like we can't really look at that. Let's have a look at the dimples, okay? It's really blurry. It's very blurry. It's blurry. Why is it so blurry? The kids aren't very blurry.

Starting point is 00:05:46 No, the kids are not blurry blurry the kids are pretty well defined so basically let's let's let's run through this let's run through this yeah middleton's last public appearance was on christmas day which for those who math is if i didn't work here my last public appearance would have been a long time ago okay all right the point is her job is literally to make public appearances. So that's what... Yeah. All right. So her last public appearance was on Christmas Day.

Starting point is 00:06:12 On January 17th, the royal family announced she would be undergoing scheduled abdominal surgery and would return to the public eye around Easter, which, in fairness, is not until a couple of weeks from now. Most people accepted this explanation, but there was some question as to why she would need to cancel weeks of upcoming events if this surgery was truly expected and planned. Ah, yes. That's a good point.

Starting point is 00:06:34 While nothing truly suspicious had happened yet, people were being extremely conspiratorial about all of this on some segments of social media by about late February. And this is pretty typical of royal watchers you know whether it's whether it's um help me out the actress megan markle and prince harry uh or whether it's uh kate and william people are always markle that's her name right she was an actress she She's on Suits. I've never seen that.

Starting point is 00:07:06 Okay, it doesn't matter. The point is that... Okay, the point is that people follow the royals extremely closely and anything even remotely resembling a scandal seems to blow up

Starting point is 00:07:19 pretty spectacularly unless it's Prince Andrew. In which case, we just all seem to cool that yeah we yeah he went to what island hawaii oh hawaii hawaii island um oh my goodness um okay this mother's day photo received initial scrutiny because it had a few obvious inconsistencies like and luke didn't even this, even though he is a self-professed expert on the Royals, Kate was not wearing a wedding ring.

Starting point is 00:07:54 Wait. And. No, I looked for that. What hand do you wear a wedding ring on? You're right. Tell me. Tell me. Tell.

Starting point is 00:08:03 Oh, man. Could you be man Could you be Could you be less Into the whole natural anything It goes on your left hand Then we should be able to see it I thought it might have been under the kid's arm Not only that

Starting point is 00:08:17 But there was a fully unfurled There's a tree with fully unfurled green leaves In the background despite it being Supposedly early March Observers then noted I thought Mother's Day is in May with fully unfurled green leaves in the background, despite it being supposedly early March. Observers then noted clear signs... When is Mother's... I thought Mother's Day is in May. Mother's Day is, like, coming up.

Starting point is 00:08:31 Yeah, but this is... I don't know. It's a Mother's Day photo. I don't know. Don't worry about it. So they took it, like, way ahead of Mother's Day? I don't know when UK Mother's Day is, okay? What are y'all doing over there, huh?

Starting point is 00:08:42 The point is, observers then noted clear signs of editing, including heavy use of a blurring tool and inconsistencies in the family's hair and clothing. Wire services generally only allow small cosmetic edits like cropping and red eye removal, leading them to retract the picture only a few hours later. later. A tweet attributed to Kate Middleton claimed fault for the bad Photoshop job, but that has not stopped posts insisting that the photo was entirely AI-generated, or that the princess's face was photoshopped into the photo over that of another woman. However, according to Tom Warren of The Verge, the photo's metadata indicates that it was shot on a Canon 5D Mark IV and edited using a 2022 version of photoshop from before ai features were added some online sleuths have insisted that middleton's face in the photo matches and was

Starting point is 00:09:31 taken from her cover on vogue while detractors say that it simply looks similar because it is a picture of the same woman with the same face i mean the lighting is different her bottom teeth are slightly showing in the mother's day photo etc yeah like to be completely honest if you look at a bunch of pictures of linus at like various conventions posing with people the like i am taking a photo face yeah it's pretty similar so is it necessarily the exact same face um i don't 100% think so i don't 100% think so but i also do not know for sure that it isn't yeah i see what they're getting at they they are they are very similar but you said this is a person whose job is to make public appearances they're going to have a smile taking a photo face i'm

Starting point is 00:10:18 taking a photo smile yeah so our question here because realistically i don't think any not either of us is other than a general concern for anyone who has been disappeared uh i don't think either of us is particularly into the whole royals thing so if there's any intrigue in like you know oh is this how they're you know going to soft announce a divorce or you know whatever because there was some speculation that um not harry not andrew the other one william jeff uh that's not a royal name luke king jeffrey okay this game of thrones is not real i think it was Joffrey anyway wasn't it I don't know I

Starting point is 00:11:08 don't know I don't know I only read the first book I have a I have a whole thing where I won't consume content until it's all produced so I'm waiting for him to finish all the books oh yeah I know that might be a problem he's actually going to die before I get to read Game of Thrones if you google King jeff it's just

Starting point is 00:11:26 really ripped dude i don't know how that happened i mean maybe she was the one cheating with king jeff hey maybe i wouldn't blame her dude king jeff is mine i don't know how much of his testicles are left at that point none but he's ripped who cares at that point oh man don't do steroids um what are we even talking about who knows yeah okay the point is the point is we're not royal watchers but this is really interesting because it raises a really interesting question with the way that this is being covered by the mainstream media and with the way that topics like photoshop over the years and more recently ai are making their way into the public consciousness this feels like a really significant moment because you and i on the wan show and you guys who watch the wan show you're

Starting point is 00:12:32 dialed into this stuff you know what the capabilities of large language models are i mean you watched us reacting live to the launch of chat gpt and interacting with the thing right yeah you're uh whether it's you you know, Mid Journey or Dali, you know, you're looking at the ever-evolving capabilities of these AI image generators and stuff like that. So you guys are dialed into it. But this right here is sparking a conversation with the normies, you know, with the aunts and uncles

Starting point is 00:13:04 and nieces and the extended family all your cousins are talking about this and they're asking the question is anything that i am looking at real real anymore and with the amount of bots on things like x.com and other various websites it's like speaking of which we're streaming we're streaming on x.com for the first time today yeah yeah we're live we're live on x or are we done done i hope so they have i haven't checked in a while video what if you just combined that and audio whatever luke let me push back on one of your hypotheses okay my hypothesis one of your hypotheses okay so you you had said it's it's quite it's quite probable that she has a photo taking face yeah okay so what if yeah this is slightly different what if it's slightly different though because

Starting point is 00:13:58 an ai was trained on this photo and a handful of other photos what if it looks so similar because kind of like we've seen very famous works of art basically spat out with slight alterations by ai image generators you see where i'm going with this right i get it and i think the point is like that that everything that exists will have doubt cast on it moving forward and this is kind of the sign of that and i do agree yeah whether this is real or not the fact that so many eyes are on it and there is such a you know a lot of people that are saying one thing or the other are saying it with a certain amount of uncertainty.

Starting point is 00:14:49 Just shows that you can't really be certain about much these days. Remember when we were looking at Sora when they announced that big upgrade and we were watching that car racing along a track in all these different environments, right? Okay, it's autumn now. It's underwater now. It's a sunny day. It's raining. There is absolutely no reason why I couldn't take that Vogue cover shoot, that Vogue cover photo, and be like, okay, it's overcast today. Can you adjust my lighting based on that?

Starting point is 00:15:19 That is well within the capabilities of AI image alteration tools that we have today and just because they're using an older version of photoshop for something on this image i mean that doesn't necessarily man let's see here i'm i'm falling in i'm falling into the trap to someone metadata for a file to my knowledge can be altered yeah so okay was it shot on a 5 5d whatever mark whatever my okay my pushback on that is if they would go that far i feel like they would have done a better job touching up things like her hair and other various like it is confusing isn't it it it's it's honestly like a poorly done photoshop job it raises it raises a whole other layer of questions because here's my first question right so we talked about already

Starting point is 00:16:11 that this is someone who is a public figure and is accustomed to public appearances yeah why in god's name would you pick the cover of a vogue magazine as your picture as your as your choice for the mother's day picture oh yeah like out of the out of the out of the mountain i don't think that that's necessarily it though because like you said they might have used a variety of other images as well that's just that's just her i'm taking a photo face um like let's see what's her name? Kate Middleton. Kate Middleton. Images. Okay, so you're basically looking to see... Oh, man, he's going into sleuth mode. Do you have a photo-taking face?

Starting point is 00:16:53 A lot of these are candid. Yeah. Which means no. I don't know how old this photo is. Down and right is not candid. You went... I mean, it just meant down and right from where your mouse was. No, left. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:17:10 This one? Down. This one? Down. This one? Yes. Oh. That's not candid.

Starting point is 00:17:16 That looks quite old, though. It's very similar, too. It's similar-ish. I wouldn't say it's nearly as similar as the the similar ones agreed i saw i saw another one when i was uh when i was poking around in this conspiracy theory where they're like oh yeah uh there's this picture of her and the prince in a car and this picture is also ripped off of somewhere else that didn't make it into our notes i'm not sure if that one's been debunked already or something like that i mean like this is at a completely different hello i got

Starting point is 00:17:45 you did i get locked out i don't know did i lose permissions i don't know uh this one's like uh an action shot and down on a weird angle she's making the exact same smile yeah that's fair that's fair i i think this is a thing yeah it could be a thing but it could i think more realistically it could be like an AI generated thing. You can go in and edit the metadata. So why would you even bother? Like, this is the like world's most simple AI or a Photoshop job. Why would you bother with AI generation?

Starting point is 00:18:18 I don't know. What's the point? Luke, there's an entire generation of people who are you know adjusting their boobs and curving the stuff behind them and adjusting their waist generation adjusting their adjusting their pecs and adjusting their facial hair i think this is everyone i i don't think this is a single generation okay multiple generations okay i i don't think gen x is quite as into it as millennials and zoomers you don't see you don't see as much of that you see some all right you see some so so but we've got generations of people who are making what i think you would judge to be unnecessary changes to their pictures

Starting point is 00:19:06 okay all right yeah yeah so you're asking why are they doing this no no no no no no i'm saying why would they use ai instead of someone just photoshopping it because yeah that's fair if if the job because like honestly the the thing that looks to me like what might've happened is a head replacement, right? Yeah. What do you mean? People were doing that convincingly when I was in high school. Like,

Starting point is 00:19:33 yeah, this, this is not like super advanced. Yeah. You don't need AI tools to do that. Why would you even bother? And then when it comes out and you see these massive blurry portions, why wouldn't you go like,

Starting point is 00:19:44 well, let's go, And you see these massive blurry portions. Why wouldn't you go like, Welp, let's go. Let's go one layer deeper into the conspiracy war in here. Sure. They did it to make us talk about it. See, that's sick.

Starting point is 00:19:56 I like that a lot. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I think my favorite comment about that, that I saw from someone, I forget who was like yeah maybe if the queen was still in charge but realistically the rest of these guys are a bunch of bumbling idiots there's no way they had that much game sense that honestly sounds very real

Starting point is 00:20:13 I don't know see that's the thing is I I legitimately don't pay that much attention I just saw this trending and I was like okay this is very interesting and I think it's a it's a really fascinating topic of conversation um have you gotten any king cash yet king cash yeah what's king cash canadian dollars with the king on them oh god unless it's mufasa i'm not interested i haven't gotten any king cash yet are we printing printing King cash? Yeah. Oh man. I guess we would have had to eventually. I kind of thought maybe we could stall until he dies. Something that's interesting too is your passport says from the queen. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:53 Right. Yeah. Oh no. I have to get a new one. I don't know. I guess it's going to be. Maybe. I guess it's good.

Starting point is 00:20:59 Do they all expire now? Like what? I don't know. I, I like, I was, I was like, I swear it says from the queen

Starting point is 00:21:05 and i checked my own passport and was like yep my passport is authorized by someone who isn't alive anymore how does that work i have no idea like canadian passports uh effectively say um the queen says this person can travel please allow them to travel that's like effectively you know it's much longer than that and written cool um but like man what does that mean now dude i gotta say with the with the the gap in both time and societal and technological advancement between queen elizabeth ii's coronation and um king char II's coronation and King Charles's coronation, I dipped in for about 30 seconds of just highlight clips of the whole thing.

Starting point is 00:21:58 And I was just kind of like, Robin Williams Jumanji, what year is it you know like it just it felt so bizarre and out of place it felt like fiction it felt like a scene in a in a movie about a time long past and a kingdom long ago like the whole thing felt so silly the i the idea of you know god ordaining a monarch that whatever it's like yeah we we moved past that so long ago like she reigned for like 70 years or something like that yeah and so much has changed in that time that it just the whole thing felt so silly like my entire life i just kind of accepted yeah like queen elizabeth or whatever she lives in a in a castle somewhere and she's on our money and you know i mean honestly when she was younger she's kind of accepted yeah like queen elizabeth or whatever she lives in a in a castle somewhere and she's on our money and you know i mean honestly when she was younger she's kind of hot

Starting point is 00:22:50 so like whatever i'm kidding i'm kidding i'm just trying to get i'm just trying to get her right so it took a second for him to process that well because i was reading apparently canada unveils a new passport with more security features and a nod to king charles okay so we'll have a look at that in a second. The point is just like, it never, it never really occurred to me. It was just a normal thing that I didn't think about.

Starting point is 00:23:10 Yeah. Like, yeah, the queen's on the money. Who cares? Yeah. But then now that it's changing, I'm sitting here going,

Starting point is 00:23:14 why don't you put Terry Fox on the money? Please. What? Please. Please what? Put Terry Fox on the money. Yeah, put Terry Fox on the money.

Starting point is 00:23:22 Yeah. That'd be way good. Speaking of which. It's like the most based Canadian thing everadian thing okay do you know about this i don't know whether they were watching wanshow or not terry fox foundation reached out no way yeah that's pretty sick so we're okay no promises in terms of the depth of the collaboration um but don't worry about that don't speculate anything i don't want people to get the wrong idea all right all right but at the very least,

Starting point is 00:23:45 you and I are going to wear Terry Fox Foundation shirts for a WAN show. Sick. So that we've got locked in as part of a campaign that they're doing in collaboration with Ryan Reynolds. They basically want any Canadian that has any kind of audience

Starting point is 00:23:57 to wear a Terry Fox Foundation shirt. So we're going to wear some shirts. And then if we can do anything a little bit deeper, then we will. we'd be very excited to do something like that but yeah yeah i was like i got like two emails in a row one was from some ai company that i've wanted to collaborate with and that was and then five minutes later i heard from the terry fox foundation i'm like this is a good day

Starting point is 00:24:19 this is a pretty good day my phone's blowing up for all the right reasons yeah those are good days yeah i'm really excited. Now, we'll tell you the story of Terry Fox. Man, it almost feels like you can tell that story as many times as you want, right? It's like it's a bedtime story. Dad, you tell me the story of Terry Fox. Yeah, okay, for sure. We'll tell you the story of Terry Fox again, but we're going to wait until we've got the shirts, and we can tell you a little bit about what the Foundation is doing these days.

Starting point is 00:24:44 Sounds good. I'm very excited yeah um anyway okay let's have a look at the new passport you want to show me the new passport sure all right yeah there's a front okay there's the inside okay cool there's some corn that looks like is it actually gonna be colored like that i don't know i honestly i'm of into it. How do you put the stamps there, though? I don't know. Oh, maybe there's, like, alternate designs. Oh, here we go. Yeah, yeah, there's the interior.

Starting point is 00:25:11 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hmm. There's a surprising lack of, like, Canadian native imagery. I think that's Canadian native imagery. Is it? I think so. These just look like school kids in like rubber boots. Um,

Starting point is 00:25:35 I doubt it. All right. Okay. Anyway. Wow. This seems so unnecessary other than I guess that it says the queen in our passport. Yeah. Wow. This seems so unnecessary. Other than, I guess, that it says the queen in our passport. Yeah. Cool.

Starting point is 00:25:50 Should we jump into our next topic? Sure. Cars spying on us? Yeah. Okay. Do you know about this? I didn't until I read this thing. Okay.

Starting point is 00:25:59 Let's hear about it. Some car manufacturers, including Acura, except it won't affect my car uh gm honda hyundai acura and honda interesting okay i mean that's the same company but it sounds good um and i and mitsubishi have optional gamified features in their connected car apps to track the rate the users driving track and rate track and rate okay i was like what uh track and rate the users driving these are often framed as coaching apps to improve driving safety and award users with points for good driving which is actually kind of neat he's driving kind of boring so if you can try to do that that's cool i like ways for that like i i like reporting things and i get points for it and

Starting point is 00:26:39 stuff it doesn't matter but oh yeah yeah yeah i, yeah. Yeah, I like it. Driving's so boring. It also tells me when there are cops. Nice. According to a report from the New York Times, these car companies sell information from these apps to data brokers, which then sell it to insurers, who use that in their determination of a driver's premium. Womp, womp. It's like selling your medical data. According to workers

Starting point is 00:27:07 at gm the revenue from the onstar smart driver app is in the low millions of dollars further some gm drivers were uh were tracked despite never having enabled any of those tracking features one cadillac owner who said he was not aware of OnStar Smart Driver found himself denied insurance by seven different insurance companies before learning that his vehicle had been sending data that he was often braking or accelerating hard as well as engaging in some speeding. Heaven forbid they see my driving. I was just going to say neither of us would ever get insurance again, which would be a problem. I would definitely get insurance and i would never bring to work and i would never drive with hard braking i would never get insurance again because my acceleration my my discount would bring me to zero dollars because i drive perfectly yep and there would be no it would break the system yes it would break the system and

Starting point is 00:28:00 there'd be no there'd be no way for him to get insurance such a such a shame scout's honor i just drive too well yeah me too i'd have to go out there and unfortunately intentionally speed in like an abandoned parking lot or something just to be able to get insurance yeah just to seem human yeah unfortunately agreed according to gm it shares select insights with data brokers but customers agree to share their data when they sign the user agreement other manufacturers such as kia say they require additional explicit consent from owners before sharing such information meanwhile the finnish transport and communications agency has detected oh this is a separate topic yeah i was just gonna say what uh so let's talk about this yeah remember

Starting point is 00:28:46 when i was talking about how this whole 23andme data breach thing and i went off on this thing about how anything to do with your dna is going to impact your insurance at some point if you're american and you should basically be caring about this a lot. And people were like, yeah, but the laws and it's like a not insignificant number of people were treating me like I was some kind of tinfoil hat conspiracy nut or something like that. Guys, do you think the law matters to the people who are, excuse me, handling your data? Do you think they care about the law? What punishment is there for this? No one's even talking about that.

Starting point is 00:29:33 As far as I can tell, there isn't any. There's no consequences. And even if there is, it'll be a tiny slap on the wrist. Exactly. And you've got to understand, like, these are things that, this didn't, this isn't like, oh, one car manufacturer was talking about this and a whistleblower was like, oh, let's make sure this never happens. We got to inform the, multiple car manufacturers.

Starting point is 00:29:59 A lot of the biggest ones. Are running these programs and making millions of dollars on the sale of your data yeah and like i my brain goes to like okay maybe if they were only allowed to offer discounts based on good driving maybe they weren't allowed to do anything else but then they just shift the prices up no no then what they do is they use an ai learning model and they basically tell it determine the appropriate premium for everyone and when the regulators come knocking they go well i don't know how it works it's a black box and it goes oh speaking of which couldn't help noticing that you deny insurance to anyone with a certain skin color.

Starting point is 00:30:47 Well, I mean, we have no way of knowing. That's going to be the defense. 100 times out of 100, they're just going to hide behind. I just left the train on the tracks. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we don't.

Starting point is 00:31:02 There is no good way. Keep old dumb cars. Let's go. And you've got to understand how powerful insurance companies are now. Like, all they have to do is say, well, the alternative is, we're just going to not cover anyone in your state, and they walk away. Yeah, which has happened. And don't imagine

Starting point is 00:31:18 they won't. It's happening right now. People trying to get home insurance in freaking Florida. It's a struggle. It's a huge struggle. And so, you know, you look at this and you go, oh, yeah, well, here's the safeguards we could put them. No. As soon as this data exists, it will be exploited. Like, honestly, on the one hand, I was happy to not see Volkswagen on the list because i drive a fancy volkswagen essentially

Starting point is 00:31:46 they own a bunch of cars or a bunch of car companies and if i had to if there was you know a short list of brands that i would think are just going to be like yeah no and just be all driving experience all the time and we'll just charge more for the cars to keep ourselves profitable porsche would probably be on that list dodge but on the other hand i don't really trust anybody no at all not when there's not when there's millions of dollars at play like is this even conclusive do they know this is all the companies or is this the ones that they know about that i don't know a scathing report from the new york times so like it's possible that some companies just didn't get caught it's a maybe

Starting point is 00:32:32 yeah yeah i wonder what gdpr thinks about this i don't know i mean it's possible they're not collecting the data there it's also possible they're just collecting it surreptitiously and doing nothing with it while they bide their time. Like, that's the thing is that the number of, okay, you know what? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. If there was a data collection program like this, how many people, like with beating hearts and functioning lungs, like how many human beings would have to know about it you get what i mean right so everyone could know about the gamified thing but how many people would have to know about this database not very many because you could collect it all and not tell the people that are collecting it that you're selling it so yeah not very many

Starting point is 00:33:27 very few give me a number obviously at the at the ceo level yeah we're getting the we're getting into company scales that i'm not used to operating in you'd have your top sales execs they would know your top it execs would know so you've got at least a half a dozen right there and then probably a couple not you know top execs but trusted it people so i don't know you're probably dealing with 20 or less but again we're dealing with company scales that i have i have no real understanding of so i'm not really sure the fact that they're able to tie this to an individual person is mind-blowing to me one of my sorry if it was aggregate if it was aggregate then i'm kind of looking at it going

Starting point is 00:34:16 yeah what do you expect was going to happen but the fact that this can be tied to an individual operator of the vehicle absolutely oh yeah blows me away right now like this is a next level betrayal and a fun little pastime i've been doing recently is looking at surprising employee counts at various companies and this is part of my like i don't really know dude because i'll look at like some company that has basically, they have like one software function that they make and they sell. I usually find this isn't B2B, but they sell it for whatever. They make effectively one thing. It like pretty much hasn't changed over the course of like five years.

Starting point is 00:34:56 And then you're like, I don't know, this probably runs on like five to 50 employees. And then it's like 1500. And you're like, what? Like, what do you all do? Like, is this like 20 engineers and 1480 salespeople?

Starting point is 00:35:14 Or like, how does this work? The Wiley says it sounds like they're tying it to the VIN, not to a person. And that's fair enough. But the number of people driving a particular vin is generally going to be numb is going to be in the air in the range of one to three yeah you know i'm talking like you know two heads of household and you know one kid maybe you know maybe four or maybe a roommate

Starting point is 00:35:38 or whatever else it's you can count them on one hand and because you're tracking all that you're tracking the car's driving characteristics you can probably fingerprint them to a degree honestly yeah without much effort because you probably got geolocation information as well so okay these data brokers a lot of what they do is oh all this information is you know not identifiable except it's extremely fingerprintable and we buy it from all of the different services so we can tie it all together and build a nice little stack and it's it might not be like you know we know this person's exact name although a lot of cases they would um but it

Starting point is 00:36:16 it might be like this is you know this is information we have on this type of a person yeah and then this is the type of person this is so rather than being individuals you sort them into buckets yeah so that's a way to kind of and those buckets can get ever narrower and narrower and narrower so but as long as they don't make it all the way to one person well then you're compliant yeah we don't know what the box does yuck um rob the tank says insurance analyst here, our models are getting really good, so this data matters.

Starting point is 00:36:51 What's scary is the next step for the big companies is tying it to financial databases. What would that mean? Charging based on your income? That's kind of a scary one. Is that what that would mean? Why? I could see it so i could see that going a number of different ways um i could see that going to um it what it sounded like to me was that he was saying that shoot where was i going with this? Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap. You make money, Elijah.

Starting point is 00:37:25 Shush. Crap, crap, crap. Financial databases. Ah, whatever. There was somewhere that I was going with that, but I forget. Oh, yeah, okay, yeah. MCXL says, okay, so they could already charge more or less based on your credit score. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:37:42 Why does your credit score affect your insurance rates like an abstracted thing i actually i i can't really understand that i mean either but it doesn't make any sense i don't think i've ever been credit scored for my insurance is that an american thing it could be i know americans like are more on the whole credit score thing than we are so maybe uh it's hurley time says insurance underwriter here models are getting really good but the industry has been losing money on auto for more than the last 10 years at least in the u.s which doesn't surprise me at all actually and that's that's where we got to that point that i was making about how if you try to clamp down on this behavior they're basically

Starting point is 00:38:20 going to come back and say okay well then we're not insuring a single vehicle in your entire state we're going to just walk away. And you're going to kind of go, oh, but we kind of need that because it's it will be pandemonium, especially in a place where health care is covered by insurance, not by universal health care. Right. it would be like the destruction people would be afraid to drive if they knew that not only like if you couldn't if you couldn't get insurance and if you didn't know for sure if the other drivers had insurance like i i saw some people in chat earlier complaining about how auto insurance is mandatory at all it's like it's not for you brother yeah it's for the person i really want you to have auto insurance yeah like i'm sorry because

Starting point is 00:39:05 but i actually don't care about your feelings here and that's a fact you need automotive insurance because you need it it's it's not for you and it may benefit you but it's not really for you yeah it's to cover your butt yeah when you whack into someone else's car yeah electrobot says nationalized slash socialized insurance so also no to be honest as a place where um we kind of have this weird public private partnership insurance monopoly for automotive insurance it's not perfect yeah i would even go as far as to say there have been times when it's been pretty catastrophically bad so yeah no yeah is insurance a tax write-off no but well it can be i know it can be. But what's always a tax write-off is our special merch item for the week.

Starting point is 00:40:08 Okay, wait, what? So Luke... I don't understand. ...was trying to understand this before the show. Why don't we... We're going to jump on lttstore.com. We're going to jump on lttstore.com. Okay?

Starting point is 00:40:20 Not only do I not understand it, I don't understand it in multiple ways. This is the tax write-off shirt. Yeah. This shirt is a tax write-off. It actually contains the full text of the tax write-off rant. That's sick. I like that. Yep.

Starting point is 00:40:39 It's not an infinite money glitch, okay, guys? This is how it works, okay? We've got a ripped up $100 LTT bill with a dead queen on it. Sorry, wait. That's an American bill. They keep the same people on their money. I know it's an American bill. It's Benjamin Franklin. Doesn't matter.

Starting point is 00:40:59 The point is that we have the tax write-off shirt. So, Luke, you had some questions about the tax write-off shirt. Yeah, let's start with the less the like less related ones sure and the less important yeah absolutely why pink and periwinkle well it's a write-off okay yeah the corporations they're writing it off so it's because we have extra of those colors of shirts it's because we're gonna write them off okay so here's my here's where the root of it comes at yeah we already sell this is i'm not even trying to pump us up we sell relatively cheap shirts like if you look at other creator merch i think our shirts are generally superior and also cheaper yes why are we selling

Starting point is 00:41:38 one that's 50 of that so that we can write it off how does that what is this actually a strategy it's a write-off are we i were so we're actually doing that we're we're just setting a really bad price and then writing off the like losses on it i mean that's how write-offs work it's not a way of making money luke it's right on the shirt right at the very bottom of the shirt. Look, do I need to remind you that the entire rant is here? But why? It's not a way. Why did we decide to not make money? It's not a way of making more f***ing money, Luke.

Starting point is 00:42:12 Why did we actively decide? And okay. Because that's not how that f***ing works. Okay, so here's the thing that really grinds my gears. Yes. Yes, tell me. Do tell me. Remember the story that we talked about?

Starting point is 00:42:24 I think it was last week Like why Nick got hired Yeah For what? I don't know what you're talking about Because of like business decisions That don't make the company money Made by you And then Nick runs Creator Warehouse

Starting point is 00:42:41 This isn't going to make money What's going on? We're writing it off, Luke! Imagine we had a single MBA that worked here. I think they'd just freak out. I think they'd just run out screaming. It's like, what are you guys doing? What's wrong with you?

Starting point is 00:43:04 Why do we do this stuff like do you have any more questions dan do you have any questions uh how long until they're gonna ship oh uh usually do you get a bulk discount on all the external auditing that's gonna happen to happen to you uh it'll be available

Starting point is 00:43:24 until yeah that too are we just asking for it uh they should be shipped by april 12th raise any flags that we sold a shirt for less than ten dollars when like no one does that and then wrote it off like are they not going to be like hey um actually you have a history of selling t-shirts for 20 bucks a very long and fairly unbroken history of selling t-shirts for 20 bucks a very long and fairly unbroken history of selling t-shirts for 20 why did you price it like this uh so that we could write it off oh you're gonna tell the government that yeah isn't that bad no it's completely above board yes we're gonna write it off okay do you have any other questions i think you were wondering about the colors before why why can i achieve escape velocity can you help me with this pink and pink

Starting point is 00:44:12 and periwinkle uh well you had questions about that what's the fastest and easiest way to achieve escape velocity escape velocity yeah on what the planet the planet oh oh i see no no no no i i'd like to address your question about the colors all right yeah well it's so that we can write them off were they more expensive than like normal colors no no but they're great for writing off i think because we have too many of them dan i think no but that would that would be that would be an astute business decision it doesn't seem like that happens here anymore um so i'm gonna go through our notes in the doc here on the tax write-off sale uh you've seen the memes and now you can buy the memes for yourselves the shirt is ten dollars in the words in the words of linus

Starting point is 00:45:01 sebastian a tax write-off is not a way of making more f***ing money. And neither is this sale, because we are losing money on it. What? Why? The shirt is a tax write-off. Do you know how much it costs to get a shirt printed at our printer? It's $10, isn't it? No, but it's multiple dollars. It's multiple dollars.

Starting point is 00:45:20 There's also shipping and handling. They've got to pick it. Every time they pick it, there's dollars. I'm just trying to feel out how much money we're going to lose on this. Enough to write off. Not only is the shirt only $10, but we have decided to fire sale our remaining 30x30 CPU pillows and color block hoodies for just $14.99.

Starting point is 00:45:42 Wait, the hoodies are $14.99? Go ahead, Luke, and ask me. What's up with the pricing of the color block hoodie? Was that with $70? Go back up to the... Oh my God. Here we go.

Starting point is 00:45:56 So the TechLink color block hoodie. Go ahead and ask me about this price. Why did we choose this price? Why did we choose that price? So that we could write it off they're taking up too much warehouse space it's the tax write-off sale oh there's even more merch messages now we're not going to be able to get to them all today but enjoy your enjoy your tax write-off shirt, hoodie, and CPU pillow.

Starting point is 00:46:27 The merch message is permanent. Wow, the rate at which we're losing money is actually sort of incredible. No, we're not losing money. I'm dying! It's funny because, like... My dashboard. Taryn goes on vacation for one week and this happens. Luke's still going to get his paycheck. Wait, did you do this while terry was gone is terry gone

Starting point is 00:46:46 well he's not here no i think i think i just made that up okay i was like i know he flew somewhere yesterday i think yeah but i had a new job because his company is going down i had lunch with him this week so i was like how did he how's he been i'm sorry luke i'm sorry luke uh s004 aws says also don't forget that retro screwdriver still gets you free shipping on your entire order. Yeah, that code's still active. Why? So that we can write it off, Luke! Oh my, are you thick?

Starting point is 00:47:17 But how long is this? I'm not sure. Until we can write it off. Okay, okay. So, in all seriousness, to explain why we're writing these off, okay, it's to make a point. I wanted to demonstrate how a write-off works.

Starting point is 00:47:38 A write-off is not a way of making money. So, we already addressed, when I buy something, right i and i write off the cost of that i didn't i i didn't make money magically i personally actually make less money i have an asset that the business owns but i actually make less money so you can write off a purchase right so that's really it's more of like a tax deduction, okay? It's tax-deductible purchases. Okay, so this is more of a tax write-off, okay? So you take something, let's say this water bottle

Starting point is 00:48:14 that you paid, let's say, $10 for, okay? You sell it for $5. That is at least a loss of $5, and depending on how you do the math there could actually be greater losses associated with it in the handling the storage of the item um in the yeah i mean mostly mostly that i guess handling and storage of the item um so you could have a greater than you know five dollar loss on this on this ten dollar item that you sold for five dollars that money that you lost be it five dollars or be it you know six or seven or whatever it

Starting point is 00:48:51 whatever it adds up to gets deducted from your net income for the year so if let's say hypothetically our entire company made one hundred dollars for the year normally we would pay about i'm rounding here but we'd pay about a quarter of that in corporate income tax okay but if instead of making a hundred dollars we took that five dollars that we didn't make on that one item we sold and we deducted that from our net income well now we made only 95 dollars and we'll owe about a quarter of that in corporate income tax we wrote it off so why would why would you why would you go out of your way to prove up why are why do you have to spend so much money to prove points this is now a personal question um because this is not this is

Starting point is 00:49:48 not this is not only the first time this is this is one of many hold on a second i'm not quite done so so if you look at that that that write-off right all we've saved is the taxes we would have owed on five dollars so we've saved two dollars and fifty cents on our taxes but we lost five dollars plus so i'm trying to illustrate that when you lose money selling a product when you write it off you still lose money you lose money on the sale you lose money on your total net income for the year it's like a shock absorber yes essentially because you're not paying you're still getting shocked you're you you you pay taxes on profit relax you pay taxes on profit so if you didn't make the money you don't pay income tax on it that's in a nutshell it's way more complicated and it but in a nutshell that's

Starting point is 00:50:42 how it's fundamentally supposed to work when something is tax deductible or is a tax write-off. So why do I need to spend so much money in order to make points? Yes, and when one of Terran's major jobs is trying to go around and improve profitability of different parts of the company, do actions like this negatively reflect on his performance when you need to prove a point um well if it does then he should just write it off okay so the reason that we have to spend so much money when we want to prove a point is because we want to make a splash we want people to remember the point if we lost a hundred dollars to prove our point about tax write-offs, if that had been a real $100 bill that I had destroyed,

Starting point is 00:51:30 nobody would have remembered that. But if we sold, hypothetically, 353 tax write-off shirts while we were sitting here just now... That's only the ones that have gone through the merch message dashboard not the ones that are sold entirely and that's already up to 360 now that's a point that people would remember forever now our entire audience has been educated and luke is there any reason that we do this other than so people can learn education yes consider this the investment in public education that your government won't make can you get and we're gonna write it off you get a charity receipt

Starting point is 00:52:14 for your tax write-off no i can't how many shirts now what? I'm curious. I'm pulling up the real dashboard. I'm pulling up the dashboard, okay? Yeah. Tax write-off shirts. Oh, okay. That number is much lower. We're up to about 600 so far. Yeah, because again, these are only the ones that people actually attach the merch message to.

Starting point is 00:52:40 Yeah, people are working on the colored blog hoodies too. We got a couple hundred of those i'm seeing the arches championing the pack right now uh the arches the arches we make money on hey hey if you're buying a tax write-off item now's a great we'd real appreciate it now's a great time to to check out some of the arches which by the way are not as profitable as some people seem to think they are oh hey we should probably i'm just going to message this i saw some i saw some very interesting speculation about um our arches and our cable management arches and the pricing on them and how they're they're probably only you know 15 cents of plastic and and magnets or whatever else and uh

Starting point is 00:53:22 i did kind of want to talk about that a little bit on the show something a lot of folks might not realize is that one of our whole things is that we kind of overbuild stuff yeah um it'd be a little difficult to not realize but i could see it yeah well i mean it's one of those things where some people just, you know, willfully don't pay attention. And there's nothing I can really do about that. Those kinds of people are a write-off. But for everyone else, for everyone who's willing to pay attention and willing to listen, let's talk a little bit about why our magnetic cable management arches are so expensive and why, no, you are not, in fact, going to find a cheap alternative on some other marketplace that is exactly the same for a much lower price.

Starting point is 00:54:08 So are you strong? Can you rip one of those magnets out of there for me? This is an early prototype of our extra large cable arch. How do I get my finger in there? I don't know. What Luke's experiencing right now is the engineering work that was put into these arches to ensure that the magnets don't come out it sure doesn't want to it was actually a very difficult problem to solve this is a prototype one as well yeah and not only

Starting point is 00:54:38 did we solve that problem ensuring that the magnets will not accidentally come out of these which is really important for safety i genuinely think my yeah i'm bending it pretty okay i'm sorry to have done that to you come off before this i have a pry tool um not only did we solve that problem making these safer and more and more durable but we actually did it in a way that enhances... Is your pry tool just your keys? Don't worry about it. I have a pry tool. I was expecting like, oh, wow, they like made something for this. It's just his keys.

Starting point is 00:55:13 But we did it in a way that actually enhances their magnetic pull strength. Oh, cool. So Jacob, who was one of our engineers at Creator Warehouse and who did a lot of the groundwork on the magnetic cable arches um did a freaking like entire course load worth of work on magnetism and how to optimize not just the strength of the magnets but also the properties of their magnetic field so they're especially strong especially close and they're amplified in that way but as they come off that was less of a concern for him etc etc so the uh

Starting point is 00:55:52 the slug that hold the slug that holds the magnet in place is actually um hold on a second let me check for a real one real quick because that might have been yeah because these are these are like 3d printed actually quite early at this point uh samples as far as my understanding goes but we have a bin of real ones here good good good yes so the slug sharp the slug is made of a material that actually enhances the magnetism of the magnet and heads exactly the way that we want them to hogs okay so not a write-off this right here i'm just going to zoom in on linus real quick here this right here is the magnet from the extra large cable management arch um i had some people talking about how serious business magnet how these are these are these are crappy and they're not even going to last because magnets don't even last

Starting point is 00:56:43 forever it's like these are neodymium magnets by the way they will last for as long as you will um we've got in each of our cable management arches life is fleeting yeah the heat death of the universe is coming i have to get this out one sec entropy is inevitable okay you gotta absolutely mangle these things okay so we've got two of those i'm just gonna zero this scale real oh hold on i'm just gonna zero this scale real quick here you must be squishy i like that one too sounds good okay there we go so i've zeroed my scale i'm putting my magnets on it um so for the folks who think that you're just going to find this this arch and yeah it's expensive i've never i've never denied that our products are costly but they're costly to us which is why they're costly to other people not because we're just you know gougers and evil

Starting point is 00:57:32 people there's profit margins we're a company we have to pay people but we'll get to that in a second first uh can you tell me um what that reads 28 28 grams so if you look up the cost of neodymium, it's about, here, hold on, neodymium price. Here, we can do this together. I like that. Price per kilogram. Here we go. I like doing things together. It's about $95 per kilogram,

Starting point is 00:57:56 which means it's about $9.50 per 100 grams, which means you are looking at about $3 worth of magnet. Just raw magnet. Just raw neodymium material that would that so how in what way do you buy like bulk neodymium so not only is that about three dollars of raw actual material yeah but we customized the exact shape of our magnets in order to optimize them for our cable management arches so that's the diameter that's the size of the donut hole and that's the thickness so would you buy would you buy that shaped from a company or did we have to okay so from from a magnet so there's probably a premium on top of the bulk price there would be a premium on top of the raw materials price for anything that involves any kind of processing yeah okay so then there's logistics um something people may not

Starting point is 00:58:50 realize about magnets is that they're heavy yeah you have to ship them so you have to ship them once to where they get to be integrated with your uh with your plastic arches then they get to be shipped again to our warehouse where they need to be handled and they need to be stored um there's also the engineering time there's the there's all the work that went into making sure that our cable management holders are going to freaking hold things that's it that has to be paid for someone told me at some point that that's important. Yeah. Yeah, that matters. That makes sense. And yeah, the company has to make money.

Starting point is 00:59:29 We have to account for breakage. We have to account for the potential for people to want us to process returns. We have to pay customer service people. Basically, in a nutshell, if you find something that claims to be our magnetic cable management arches but at a small fraction of the price then what you know because you are the kind of person who is not a write-off and who can observe things not a write-off yeah and and is and is open to new ideas uh you will know that it is not in fact the same thing, it is actually a different thing, and you know what? That different thing might be fine for you.

Starting point is 01:00:08 We knew that we were making an extremely premium product that was not going to make sense for everybody. We knew that. But we also knew that what we wanted was the cable management solution that I wanted to use. And unfortunately, it involves a crap ton of magnetic material so yeah i'm sorry they're expensive also fortunately because it's really cool to use it's a sweet system yeah i'm happy they did the gift thing the big one is freaking ridiculous

Starting point is 01:00:39 yeah hey luke do you want to i mean it really actually would be helpful because there is margin in them we do make money on them oh yeah there we go but it would be really helpful oh it's a mess oh it's so clean oh my goodness oh it's a mess oh no oh it's so clean i guess now's a good time to kind of run through the whole product line so uh the the big one the one that came to me in a dream in the middle of the night was the power bar one and man the amount of work that went into getting the geometry and the manufacturing just right for the little like keyhole one we had to buy dozens of power bars power bars routers network switches anything with that keyhole shaped mounting thing uh here i'm just going to hop over to the store on my computer for a second here

Starting point is 01:01:25 home magnetic cable management here we go linus laptop uh anchor power keys yeah basically anything with that little um with that little uh key shaped uh hole on the back of it i like the gifts the gifts are good yeah if i had done this one i might have done it vertically and it would involve plugging in and unplugging something into the outlet take it off plug it in and put it back because this was a major oh that's pretty this was a major product design consideration for me dude if it's blindly under your desk and i could just reach and grab it and plug something in and just put it back not only that but the magnet is so strong that you don't have to pull it off you can unplug something from it unless you have the world's tightest outlet holes which

Starting point is 01:02:19 you probably don't you can unplug something from it without pulling the whole thing off the wall so that that was a major major design consideration for me and is one of the reasons that this one probably don't you can unplug something from it without pulling the whole thing off the wall so that that was a major major design consideration for me and is one of the reasons that this one has so much bloody metal in it oh my was because we wanted the hold strength to be great enough that makes sense my use case was like i could pull it off and then look at it and like decide where i want to plug it in but i see what you're talking about this one is my personal favorite one and it's selling really well because it solves a problem that unlike some of the other ones there is not a current solution for um no i'm not talking like there isn't a better solution there just isn't a current solution for it it's really elegant the way that it installs

Starting point is 01:03:00 stays on there it stays on really good and then just sticks on to stuff i absolutely love this product um but then you know the the dream didn't end there the next big one was this one the power brick holders yeah same thing we wanted to be able to accommodate even gigantic chunky like laptop or dock power bricks that can do 250 watts or whatever else and then we didn't want to make it huge because we wanted to be able to accommodate much smaller ones but this one is designed to be finally a way to keep your stupid power bricks organized in a way that is not horrible um i don't want to see another power brick on the floor in our office basically anymore so we show can you show us how this works?

Starting point is 01:03:46 Because in one of the product photos, it shows where the strap goes. It looks like it's a very small little hole. Oh, yeah, sure. I'd be happy to show how. Okay, do I have any zip ties? I don't know. I have, I have, I have i have okay yeah okay so i can show you guys how this works um so are these cable ties specific to this thing nope yeah they're

Starting point is 01:04:13 longer oh these go with a different thing don't worry about it got it okay so basically we've got do that me oh yeah there you go you can kind of see it so there's kind of like a keyhole shape thing so it has it has overhangs yeah i know i see how it works in mold design are a little tricky but hey we got good engineers um so what you do is you take the cable tie hole and yeah it's pretty cool it's a little bit of a pain the first time yeah but in particular but you make sure it gets under that spot there you kind of want it to be because then it's going to be you know it's going to be snug and then it's on there yeah right yeah so then you put your thing you know whatever it is note nine you wrap it around nice and you get it on there then you do the other one and it's ready to go sweet okay that makes sense yep because some people were looking at the the little one and it's ready to go sweet okay that makes sense yep because some

Starting point is 01:05:05 people were looking at the the little hole and thinking like is this for zap straps not cable ties but no it's just it's on the other side that makes sense yeah i promise you whatever you see about them way more thought was put into it than sure well that's why i wanted you to show me so it's like i'm sure there's there's something going on i just i didn't know um so yeah linus laptop so this one i absolutely love and then the cable tie holders actually i think these are the top seller so far no no they're not no they're not these are moving really well as well though um but what's cool about these ones is we realized okay yeah arches are cool but you don't always have a ton of room so these run parallel to the cables so they hide really nice um they're think about

Starting point is 01:05:53 that they're less convenient right because you're still essentially using cable ties right but you're using cable ties that can be anchored and can be really really um stealthily run and you can kind of put a cable tie anywhere now well yeah and like one of the issues with cable ties is you'll have like sag in the route yes or whatever or it has to go around something that often can't happen yada yada so you can keep it nice and so the geometry here is cool because we've got a really nice high profile run under here it looks like a sci-fi bridge so if you have a very small cable bundle or a longer cable tie you just wrap more times and there will still be enough clearance for the uh for the magnets to grab yeah so this

Starting point is 01:06:37 one's great and then of course the i think the arches are the are the top seller the bread and butter the bread and butter the meat and potatoes and then the big one is cray cray if you want to see these things in action really well um the there's a there's a clip from the building the the the land gaming machines at my house where i cable manage the back of my server rack my whole setup at home has been waiting for this and i've got freaking like bundles of wires that like like taking the big one and like getting it down on the one side and like stuffing them in there like and then it's just there's some it grabs dude i'm not gonna call out the brand much, but there's some funky cables in the server room over at the lab. And these Mondo arches kind of saved the cable management of those cables

Starting point is 01:07:30 because they were, they were very big and, uh, kind of unwieldy and there's nothing we could really do with them. And then we were just like, what if we just magnum all to the wall? And it was like, yeah,

Starting point is 01:07:41 okay, that works. You can't like, we couldn't really tie them down very well. Like there was a lot of issues and then we're just like yep we can force it that'll be fine so basically yeah really exciting launch it's going really well the power bar is key quarter 20th thread for hackability what oh yeah that's right so okay yes yes yes how hold on hold on hold on you madman what are you talking about i can't believe you did that that's sick do i have

Starting point is 01:08:15 one of these but do you understand yeah yeah like 10 out of 10 good choice i love you uh here it is oh here it is here it is okay so i gotta see it this is oh what okay so these are the power bar keys oh okay okay yeah yeah yeah this makes a lot more sense not only is the power brick not power bar i um sorry for going into one of your you know power bars or network switches or whatever else and it really was a very very significant engineering challenge to get that perfect i'm sorry i don't have enough zoom guys one of these days we're just gonna go full qvc and we're gonna have like you know hand hand cam don't have enough Zoom, guys. One of these days, we're just going to go full QVC and we're going to have hand cam. Don't worry, Dan.

Starting point is 01:09:06 No, no, Dan, Dan, don't worry. For real. But... As a meme one day, you should hire a hand model for WAN Show. But what's cool... I'm sitting right here. ...is that it's quarter-twenty threaded down the middle of the magnetic strength enhancing insert.

Starting point is 01:09:26 So if you wanted to hacksaw something else some other shaft into this thing and mount flipping anything you wanted with a magnet then you could like camera gear well especially camera gear so it was the camera crew that was like hey yeah uh could you guys make this yeah because they use it for everything yeah that's wild oh man it's gonna be uh interesting would a hand model for the wanshow be a tax write-off that's a good question yes if we paid them which we would have to because they'd be a person who needs to be paid yeah so yes they'd be a right that'd be a tax write-off that's good to know so yeah it's it was man this has been such a long time coming um there's a couple of notes here that i'm supposed to read from the team uh available in four arch sizes yeah we talked through all the different solutions each pack of arches or accessories comes with matching standard steel plates and

Starting point is 01:10:18 screws okay had a lot of people questioning why it costs so much to upgrade to VHB when VHB is cheap. That's so great that VHB is cheap. Go buy some and put it on the standard steel plates. It'll work great. So that's why. Because we didn't want to charge everyone for VHB, which was a significant adder compared to using the more temporary adhesive and wasn't necessarily useful for everybody. Not everyone wants to put something onto their wall or onto their desk with what is essentially a permanent adhesive, about as permanent as a double-sided tape gets.

Starting point is 01:11:00 It's either permanent or it's very likely to cause damage. So we wanted the standard loadout to have a much lighter adhesive. Nothing prevents you from putting your own adhesive on those standard plates and sticking them with whatever you want to whatever you want. And the only cost to you is a roll of VHB. Now, what we also knew is not everybody's going to want to do that. Some people are just going to be like, eh, can't be arsed. And they would

Starting point is 01:11:25 rather buy vhb plates from us that's where the vhb plates came from and you know what the handling costs of like sleeves of of taped things yeah it adds to it adds to the price of it there's a lot of overhead in uh in the actual production of the stupid things and the packaging and the shipping and the handling so yeah it's not as cheap but hey you can buy a roll of vhp tape and it comes with the steel plates that you need so you're good to go as for the silicone grips people were questioning what they're for yeah this is cool though okay so for maximum magnetic holding strength along this axis okay you want the magnet directly on the metal surface anything in between you're going to compromise some of that holding strength remember i did say that the magnetic fields are optimized

Starting point is 01:12:21 right right right next to the magnets and that's true of pretty much any magnet because it's like uh whatever inverse square or whatever but the point is that magnetic field strength falls away like exponentially essentially so any magnet the closer you are the better so we made the design decision very early on to not recess the magnets into the plastic whoops uh there uh not recess the magnets under the plastic because that would have reduced the risk of scratching but it would have hurt the hold strength which for me was the top priority as if you're concerned about the metal thing that you're sticking these arches onto getting scratched by you know potentially having it shift slightly then what you want is the silicone stickers which you can put onto your server rack or put onto your desk that will sit in between the magnet

Starting point is 01:13:13 and your and your nice you know not wanting to be scratched surface and yeah you lose a little bit of hold strength however what you gain and this is not the right one for this don't worry we have them in all the right sizes uh what you will gain is much better strength on the y-axis that makes sense yeah so it won't shift around as much and it won't scratch yeah yeah um but you lose a little bit of strength and they're very strong so that's probably okay yeah it's totally fine yeah um so we have we have some bundles. If you're not sure where to start the essential, the home and server bundles, and you can get them all at ltdstore.com slash MCM.

Starting point is 01:13:52 I want to eventually have, um, Conrad and potentially others involved make a cable management configurator. You know how we have the desk pad configurator. There are a lot of pitfalls i know there's a lot of variations also we're now working in 3d space and you have to deal with different cables and different sizes oh my god you want people to be able to put them on their desk i thought you just meant like a configurator so you can like order all the things no i want people

Starting point is 01:14:21 to be able to design their desk i think it would be sweet let's not put R&D into that yet we haven't because of exactly the reasons that you're thinking but it would be cool if you're curious about if you want to learn a little bit more about some of the work that went into making these a reality we're going to have a newsletter out so sign up for the newsletter on lttstore.com

Starting point is 01:14:40 and we'll have that out to you guys hopefully in the next you know week or two but hey you know things take as long as they take until they're good uh so here's where to sign up for the newsletter you can also see an archive of past newsletters here if you want to learn a little bit more about the precision screwdriver that backpack that was uh that survived a mine um lasers etc all right people are saying that the configurator could be a tax write-off oh my god which is interesting maybe a path to consider luke i think i've got enough tax write-off for today um let's see let's see how much i think you've got more than enough sir i think you have significantly more than enough ridiculous let's see how our tax

Starting point is 01:15:26 write-off shirt is doing i knew you guys would love this tax write-off shirt good lord almost a thousand yeah i mean it's a ten dollar t-shirt it's a really nice t-shirt yeah it's the same quality as all the other t-shirts yep and in a great color tax write-off periwinkle and tax write-off pink oh man all right uh what are we supposed to do oh we're supposed to explain oh what periwinkle is sold out already yeah every size holy crap um huh well this is maybe oh is pink sold out as well no pink is sold out in most sizes this is really gonna hurt our ability to write off um extra extra large enough money triple extra large hold on a second wait yeah there's only large and extra large left in pink that's it okay

Starting point is 01:16:18 this might be a problem yeah maybe it was priced too low. Just a thought. Mr. Nick Light, you're live on the WAN show. Hi. We have a significant problem with the tax write-off shirt. Yeah. We're not able to write off any more taxes because we've run out of stock what can we do uh that seems like a question that answers itself your write-off budget is full okay you should pull a ninja move and change it to 99 um i'm just i'm i'm worried nick i'm worried nick that we won't be able to write off enough for our taxes this year well let me uh i guess let me look into that okay

Starting point is 01:17:13 okay if anything can be done okay all right can you can you let me know in the next little bit here if there's anything else we can write off oh i'll do my best okay don't worry they're buying lots of cable management i sure hope they are okay all right okay we're gonna work on it goodbye okay all right thanks nick okay all right he's working on it we gotta optimize our write-offs here uh in the meantime do you want to explain to the people how merch messages work i'm dying that's that's a you thing. You do that. All right. I'll explain how merch messages work.

Starting point is 01:17:46 The way to interact with the show is not with Twitch bits, not with super chats. It's with merch messages, a tool that was built by our very own float playing team and is freaking awesome. Sorry? Let's go. Let's go. Basically, all you got to do is head to lttstore.com pick up something put it in your cart and in your cart you will see a box for merch messages that message will go to producer dan how are you doing by the

Starting point is 01:18:12 way uh who will um do his best to forward your message to the appropriate department reply to you uh throw your message up onto the screen for everybody to see. You know, if you have a shout out to your mom or to your friend's mom, if you know what I'm saying, it'll go up there. You're not even paying attention, are you? I'm actually trying to help Dan. That's cool. That's fine. Or it will get curated for me and Luke, and we will address your question here on the show.

Starting point is 01:18:47 Sometimes for, like, ever. Yeah, for a very long time. Today, it's not going to go forever. Probably not. We've got to play Super Checks for the after party. There's legitimately too many of these. Yeah, there's got to be a Super Checks after party, so it's going to be great if you're on float plane.

Starting point is 01:19:00 We've got the archive from it last week. The last one was fun. People seemed to like it. Oh, people seemed to be super yeah into it um yeah i think people were surprised at how fun it was actually yeah super checks a lot of comments were like wow this is actually pretty fun to watch it's like yeah yeah we we uploaded that as an extra exclusive last week yeah oh speaking of floatplane exclusives yeah uh okay so hold on here's the here's the live stream vod from super checks yeah the uh the reviews are in yes zero dislikes let's go super checks after party very

Starting point is 01:19:32 popular um anyway here's that here's some gameplay look at that save dude oh look at that less of a save rip that's a goal for linus yeah Anyway, the point is... I'm always red. Color balance is wrong. I need to fix that. Super checks. Lots of fun. This is great. The floatplane team asked me to do a little sneak peek of this.

Starting point is 01:19:54 So this is from... Yeah, this is cool. This is from the upcoming... Someone on the team liked it. This is from the... Oh, that's hilarious. The upcoming collab with the one, the only Ludwig. So we built the PC that punishes the user

Starting point is 01:20:08 um it's got a variety of uh of servos and relays on it uh it's got an integration with minecraft courtesy of signal rgb and basically every time he goes in the water, and we put him on this wipeout course, every time he goes in the water, his bidets go off and spray him. If he dies, there's a variety of effects that will hit him, with everything including this little gel ball blaster here to a fart cannon. Which, like, left welts. Oh yeah, it really hurt. The point is, it's going to be an absolutely awesome movie movie it's going to be an absolutely awesome video and yeah thanks it's going to be an awesome video and we're going to have some exclusives on floatplane including the sneak peek and maybe

Starting point is 01:20:56 we'll maybe we'll do an uncut this time uh and this is why we need to fight we need to fight yeah i warned him in the in the uh in the what do you call it pre-show i warned him in the pre-stream pre-show that we have on floatplane and also technically twitch uh that we were going to fight this stream i prepped it but i didn't tell him why this is the topic are you salty that i didn't tell you ludwig was coming and you didn't get to hang out so yes but also i'm very sorry it actually did not occur to me i was very flustered that day there's multiple other things oh okay apparently we're fighting about a lot of things so that's that's one of them okay hang out with ludwig

Starting point is 01:21:34 would be cool but you even mentioned with the the like the entire badminton center screen thing you're like oh i should have brought your what do you think would have been the most entertaining thing for me to be engaged with probably in the last multiple years that we've done probably the punishment pc yeah i'll get okay okay um that looked insanely fun it still like works right i don't know oh man we should do like an extras thing of just like random people in the company trying to do it. I would love to do that. You want to try the punishment? So much fun. I like had work to do, but I like just sitting there watching it happen was like fantastic.

Starting point is 01:22:14 Okay, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. It looked so good. I promise you. It's been broken down. Hold on. Hold on. I promise you.

Starting point is 01:22:22 Tie it down. I promise you. If and this is actually some very bad news oh boy we got some news from the city of surrey that we may not be allowed to do land events at the badminton center we're gonna work with them i'm i i am confident my team is sad because that was this was a lot of i know i understand other people also put a lot of work in i hold on i am confident that we can we can find a solution together at this time i'm still confident okay um they they have expressed a variety of concerns that i think we can address if as long as everyone is is moving forward together in good faith yeah that i think we can address cool okay as long as it goes forward as long as it goes forward i promise you at one of those whale land events at least we will resurrect the punishment pc that's

Starting point is 01:23:18 amazing okay because the code is done and that was the hard part yeah was the esp32 based web server and the integration with signal rgb and you want to be involved you need to bring a change of clothes and a towel you should bring two changes of clothes and two towels yeah uh we we had to redress him multiple times that's amazing the last the last the last part this is a the triple part thing um i think you cheated on me i cheated on you yeah sorry what yeah yeah i would never play super checks with anyone else no the shock collars the shock collars it didn't technically happen but you had intention and i don't think electro boom counts because my reasoning for this is if you are in a European country that does cheat kisses, you do cheat kisses.

Starting point is 01:24:07 That is not cheating, even though it's kisses. If you're hanging out with ElectroBoom, you're going to get shocked. This is fine. Okay? Okay. This is fine. But there was a plan for shock colors and I was not involved. I see.

Starting point is 01:24:18 Okay. So, so our, our exclusive thing is BDSM is that what you're saying? that was really close I think it went back into the portal uh yes I guess

Starting point is 01:24:39 I guess so I see okay I'll keep it in mind I didn't really fully put that together until now but yeah yeah anyways i'll keep it in mind i'm just messing around but that i watched i didn't watch the whole thing linus do you say to luke up piece i'm sorry i'm not i'm not but i'm sorry oh my goodness already then usually the show doesn't get this unhinged until much later i watched part of the exclusive footage it's awesome that's gonna be a fantastic well ludwig's an a plus talent s tier world class talent um he is he has the same level of get it done at any cost i could i was only there for like a couple minutes i could tell he has just that's cool the guy's

Starting point is 01:25:36 next level respect to say that he was a good sport about everything that happened to him while he was here would be a gross understatement um let me put it this way at one point he had to sit on a toilet that had a gopro in the bowl barely even phased him that sounds about right yeah my um yeah i don't even know if i want to mention it or not my favorite youtube video of potentially all time is i've sent it to you even i don't even send lies that many videos you know what i'm talking about yes i know what you're talking about it's one of ludwig's no technically not okay slimes yes slimes top 10 salty ice clammer ludwig's in it a lot

Starting point is 01:26:27 yeah yeah it's good it's like actual top tier content yeah um anyways all right cool so anyway that's gonna be a fantastic video um yeah absolute check it out absolute mad lad check out the full plane exclusive check out the full video when it releases had a ton of fun with them uh dan do you want to show us how merch messages work or do you want luke to just pick a couple nah it's fine it's fine we can pick a couple the dashboard is broken look at this i can't even scroll in the dashboard it just stops after mine is working perfectly uh you're you're limited to 125 merch messages uh no no i i can see i they'll load in it just it just breaks the you can you can limit it more if you want no more speed oh yeah i kind of got a bit more resources than you guys do you want more load bearing or do you want more

Starting point is 01:27:16 speed i got this i want nick to call me back and tell me how we're gonna write off more taxes i like luke's ideas just start selling them for a hundred dollars um so so you know you lose money on almost all of them and then a few random people are gonna buy a pink shirt for a hundred dollars probably sell more yeah you know how marketing works okay uh this is a good merch message question thing uh on this topic do you see a future where lmg runs entirely on sales through LTTstore.com, making external ads a thing of the past? What could change about the company? That's a really big brain question.

Starting point is 01:27:56 I think that would be oversaturation. Well, it depends what LTTstore.com is. True. Fair. Yeah. What if ltt store.com is true fair yeah what if ltt store.com didn't only sell yeah ltt merch we already don't technically we already don't so we could we already sell jerry rig everything knives yeah we already sell we already sell swipe swipe bidets which might have been the reason that ludwig was up here collabing also just because he's a bro but like that might make sense why he was sitting on a toilet and why his bidets were spraying him he

Starting point is 01:28:28 was up here he was up here uh talking about his bidets and helping us out helping us promote the product I don't know product we might carry uh ptm 7950 I was gonna say I don't know if that 100% counts but I think it does oh that counts an extra lot yeah it's just it has ltt branding on it yeah but we're very clear we're very up front this is not something we made this is a honeywell product developed by honeywell it's uh it's a very excellent phase change thermal interface material extremely good longevity extremely good um extremely low thermal resistance um really great product so like there's the very beginnings there's the very beginnings of a trajectory and i think what our big brained viewer has figured out and if our big brain viewer

Starting point is 01:29:15 was galaxy brain enough they might also figure out that one of the things that we've done for example with ptM 7950, was used our internal testing resources to make sure that that thing that's listed on lttstore.com is really good. If they were... Quality validated products. If they were a colossal galaxy mondo brain, they might have identified that there is a serious and sh**ification that's going on in online retail right now and not just in your swipe a day equipped toilets um making it really hard to find trustworthy sources for just like stuff you want to buy

Starting point is 01:30:00 um so what if there was a media organization that aspired to having a trusted store i don't know it'd be weird it'd be weird that would be very yeah that'd be odd yeah not useful at all i prefer googling what the best product is and getting 17 different listicle websites and then going oh i'll just look up reddit and then having the reddit posts be hijacked by an seo team that's what i prefer i prefer that experience but i'm not that big brain realistically ltd store is one big tax write-off what if what if ltd store becomes trustmebro.com uh it probably exists already and if it didn't already

Starting point is 01:30:46 exist it's going to get bought before you can get a chance to acquire it so it's done it's out i'm wondering if it already redirects no it doesn't it redirects somewhere else oh well it's gone now domains for sale all right 25 grand by the way usd yeah i don't think that's happening so never mind i mean it'd be a good write-off. Okay. Okay. Perfection. Nick's working on something. We don't need

Starting point is 01:31:17 more stuff. Sarah's busy, but here, hold on. Oh, no. Can you just... Can you go to my cam for a second here or no i go to your cam go to your cam for a second here uh which one's my cam so we're generating more periwinkle ones with sharpies is that the you're untangled no no sarah's sarah's busy so nick is making a gray product photo oh

Starting point is 01:32:01 okay that's great nick i saw the gray i saw the gray shirt mock-up that's fantastic you've done a terrific job we don't need more though did you show the people yeah i showed the people i just showed the people right now so we're gonna have some gray uh tax write-off shirts yeah yeah yeah just uh let them know that you ran out of graphic design budget like four hours ago for this project so that's my handiwork okay good job excellent work i did like it a lot i will say all right cool and if you uh if you find any more inventory of anything else we've got to write we've got to write them off nick yeah i'm waiting uh i'm waiting to hear back on that i i i just need to confirm i don't want you know a bunch of people to expect they're getting a write-off t-shirt and then to get a

Starting point is 01:32:44 you know a write-off email uh saying that we don't have that t-shirt. Sure. I mean, do you want to just put mystery color in there? And then... It is a $10 shirt. All right, cool. Yeah, that's great. All right.

Starting point is 01:32:59 Talk to you later. Bye-bye. Bye. They're writing it off, Jerry. why are we resupplying it Luke Luke resupply some tall sizes we are making a point

Starting point is 01:33:17 we're still working on the tall size chill but now they're not going to be able to afford to continue development on them no no no we'll write it off oh I'm starting to get this now i'm starting to get it all right oh the the xl in pink is sold out so there's only larges in pink left yeah don't forget about the gray special order don't forget about gray gray is on the site now it just says gray it's not a color block it just says no no let's scroll down look look look oh oh that's amazing this is a great t-shirt is oh that and just text is so cool oh my god i actually

Starting point is 01:33:54 love this genius this is great oh oh man don't even try to message support asking to change your color shirt or or add it to your existing order If you want to get this thing, you place a new order. I'm so sorry. You better print them like that and I want one. No, no, no, no, no, no. They will not. That is a gray shirt. It will not be printed like that. You can do it yourself, though. Yeah, you could use a marker and you could do that with your pink one. I can't. The pink one's already sold out.

Starting point is 01:34:18 Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. It will be a gray shirt. No, Dan. You can get the pink enlarged and then modify it you could you could do this yourself all right all right this is just gonna i'm just gonna download the vector from the server and sebastian sebastian said this is great nice all right uh i want to hit us with another merch message sure i love that that photo is on the store that's amazing good job nick yeah hey guys i appreciate your quality scripts i'm curious if you did well in your school writing classes or if that skill came later also when and why did you decide to

Starting point is 01:34:54 hire your first staff writer huh first staff writer i mean really realistically luke was kind of supposed to be like a writer slash episode prepper from not at NCIX, but from day zero of Linus Media Group. Yeah. And then the next one after that was John Martin. Yes. And that wasn't until right before we moved out of the Langley house. Yeah. We tried to hire like a helper benchmarker for Luke before that.

Starting point is 01:35:27 Yeah. That didn't work out. It did not work out. Um, whether it was because we didn't know exactly what position we needed or whether we didn't really have the, have the hiring practices nailed down yet. Might've been a problem.

Starting point is 01:35:39 That could have been an issue. Um, that was, I think I, that was, I think the first person Luke ever fired. Yes. Um, I wasn't even in town. i think that was i think the first person luke ever fired yes um i wasn't even in town i think i was overseas to get fired from the company and it was the first person that i fired like yeah linus was like on vacation or something and i had to call him and be like

Starting point is 01:35:56 yeah so by the way this is happening which is an interesting one for sure um please tell the story i i think we're no no i mean we did we're not looking to identify or shame anyone it just it involved falling asleep at work multiple times yeah i'll say that much and that should be all you really need to know yeah yeah well also paired with other things that actually wasn't the only problem no but it was all they need to know yeah yeah anyways uh oh oh crap um oh my goodness okay i will deal with this later it's fine it's fine just my wife

Starting point is 01:36:38 um okay so do you want to hit us with another merch message with intel's upcoming move to arrow lake what do you think the impact us with another merch message? With Intel's upcoming move to Arrow Lake, what do you think the impact of removing hyper-threading will be for performance? Honestly, with how many cores we have in desktop processors now, I'm not convinced that there's going to be a significant impact. Like, Intel, I think, don't quote me on this, because everything's still rumors at this point, but I think the plan is to keep core counts pretty constant.

Starting point is 01:37:08 If they make the kind of expected improvements to their efficiency cores, like if those get significantly faster, honestly, I would rather use the power budget, not to mention the die budget, the area budget. mention the the die budget the area budget um i'd rather they use it to juice up the efficiency cores and give me more multi-threaded performance that way compared to giving me a secondary thread on my performance cores that realistically is not contributing to overall system responsiveness and system performance the way that it used to when intel was going up against amd or an amd had single core processors with no smt um simultaneous multi-threading hyper threading um the difference like as an amd fanboy who like kind of willfully was like la la la at the time okay i i hadn't figured out how stupid fanboyism was yet i was legitimately kind of upset when i got my first intel that era system um and it was like just to screw around with system it was like an older p4 northwood that i was like oh i'm gonna

Starting point is 01:38:22 overclock this not out of this thing it'll be kind of funny i'll hit it's like a super high frequency but i was rocking athlon 64 at the time athlon 64 was so sick and i got this thing running i went holy hyper threading is night and day yeah in windows xp when we only had one core the difference in responsiveness it was was noticeable and i was like, oh man. And that was one of the things that made me so certain that dual core was something that I needed in my life. Because if that's what just a little bit of extra efficiency on my one core is going to do for me, man, two cores, let's go.

Starting point is 01:39:00 But we're at a point now where it's not like that anymore. Every processor for sale today, pretty much, has more than one processing core. And so you're not getting that night and day difference. You're getting a marginal difference in certain workloads, and it's coming at a cost of complexity and power. I'm honestly a little surprised that AMD chased them to SMT. And as far as I know, AMD doesn't have any plans to get rid of it. But not every implementation is built equal, and AMD is certainly not as concerned. that amd chased them to smt and as far as i know amd doesn't have any plans to get rid of it but not every implementation is built equal and amd is certainly not as uh constrained in their power

Starting point is 01:39:30 budgets these days as intel is so the only answer that i can give that i am certain about is that we will see and that i'm excited to see how it turns out nick just live editing the store is like one of my favorite things now oh my god it's just mystery and then a bunch of question marks and then the picture for it oh man this is so good the hilarious thing is like t-shirts are not even something that are problematic like we don't as you can tell we only had like a few hundred of these shirts so like whatever there was really no point especially once you started adding gray there's just no way luke it's a write-off though luke it's a write-off

Starting point is 01:40:20 if nick can think of if it was so funny until there was actually financial consequences and then it was so not funny for me anymore. If Nick's watching right now, if there's anything else you want to write off that's not a t-shirt, just let me know. Just let me know. Let me know. Maybe just one day.

Starting point is 01:40:41 One day. Oh my God. These hoodies though. Short circuit color blocks sold out. Tech day. Oh my God. These hoodies though. Short Circuit color blocks sold out. TechLink color blocks sold out. LTT color blocks sold out. Yeah, I wonder why. Well, I just, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:40:53 I thought we had, I thought we had more of these. The TechWiki one's still for sale. It's a $15 hoodie. Well, yeah, it's a great hoodie. It's a quality hoodie, Luke. We gave one to Ludwig and he was like, this is a nice hoodie. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah, it's a quality hoodie. It we gave one to ludwig he was like this is a nice hoodie yeah yeah that makes

Starting point is 01:41:05 sense yeah it's quality nice hoodie yeah if you can buy all nick if if you can find any more hoodies uh make sure that they're sufficiently written off let's get them written off because the vaude people they're not going to get anything they're going to get no write-offs luke watch live okay uh let's do another topic What do you want to talk about? You live in like Europe or something Just wake up at like 4 in the morning Yeah, exactly And watch the WAN show

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Starting point is 01:44:49 We can do some topics if you want. Yeah, I think we should. Oh my God, the merch message per minute counter is way back up again. Let's do this. We're getting a merch message every four seconds right now. I know, faster than that sometimes. Can we do some merch messages

Starting point is 01:45:04 so I don't have to do this again for an hour? Okay. I'm unprepared for the thing that I wanted to do. Brain, where are you? Hello, boys. Luke, I've got to know, what are the origins of the bye at the end of the show? I know Krista on Level One Text does it as well. Did one of you start it?

Starting point is 01:45:24 Does it predate you both? at the end of the show i know krista on level one text does it as well did one of you start it does it predate you both i have a feeling this is one of those situations you know when like certain technologies get simultaneously invented algebra yeah or is it calculus i feel like this is like one of those i think we're just both awesome yeah i mean it's one of those things where almost almost nothing you see on the internet is original yeah like i had a i had a bunch of people literally the word buy like i had a bunch of people speculating that i wore that um that brown coat yeah because of like because of technology connections yeah and it's like you know what i love technology connections great channel he's like you know what i love technology connections great channel he's super cool from what i can tell uh we've only corresponded by email like once and

Starting point is 01:46:11 i don't know i don't i don't know a ton about him but i know his content's great but no i've had that jacket for almost 10 years the first time i wore it um i can't i can't i couldn't find it i went looking for it that's why I sent you that weird picture of you as Funkman. We used to do these commercials for the gaming brand Funk. And at some point, was it for a Funk video that I wore the suit? Yeah, I think it was one of the mouse ones. That's what I thought too, but I couldn't find it. I didn't i didn't

Starting point is 01:46:45 realize he wore oh he does have that jacket okay yeah it seems to be basically exactly the same jacket um but the first time i wore it was like almost it was somewhere between nine and ten years ago i got it at value village for like eight dollars because i needed sort of a a salesman looking jacket but i'm kind of down on my luck um and it was sort of based on the simpsons character gill and it's like it it doesn't it doesn't matter i'm not in a it's it's not like a a competition for who thought of it first because neither of us thought of it first yeah the idea of wearing a costume of wearing a jacket that sort of says professor who doesn't spend any money on clothing is not one that either of us invented it's just it's just a thing that

Starting point is 01:47:32 we have both done on occasion um love his channel and any resemblance i guess is a happy accident but yeah no it's definitely and definitely an accident i'm trying to find it right now i uh i've so far been unsuccessful but yeah i'm trying to find it yeah i i wasn't able to find it okay yeah i wasn't sure how extensively you looked i i looked okay i'm not even bothered then here we go this is the video that i sent luke though um i think this is the one oh my god so this is a behind the scenes of the production um blah blah this is not the one you sent me oh different one it's kb4 i thought the kb460 was the one that had uh the one you sent me we were at the parents place i didn't remember this i just remembered my like pretending that my hand

Starting point is 01:48:38 was burning on the mouse i didn't remember being in it no that was this is for a keyboard luke all right yeah so i i couldn't remember a ton of this stuff dude what when was this anyway um so i came across a bunch of the old funk stuff when i was looking for this uh oh hey here's hey yeah here's the actual um ad someone uh re-uploaded it uh so here hold on where's angry luke at it had kind of oh wait oh here it is hey yeah so this was shot nine years ago yeah and that's the first appearance of of the jacket am i picking my nose and smearing it on the window uh yeah i uh i don't remember any of the context for for that oh i was pitching a campaign yeah i think it's like different varieties of like features that the product could have or something.

Starting point is 01:49:52 Anyway. Yeah. Sweet. We've done some weird stuff over the years. Sure have. We've done some really weird shit over the years. have some really weird shit over the years when you sent me me dressed as funk man all that came back real quick yeah why we went in the pool didn't we i don't remember why but you did like uh you did like a coming out of the pool and then like the glue that we used to

Starting point is 01:50:18 glue all the fake chest hair onto you like started coming off it's a whole thing oh i think we got one shot at that shot oh this is so cool okay this is a teaser for an upcoming video um jake is working on an ai tool for processing our entire back catalog of footage yeah into its searchable database yeah so you can be like luke holding a keyboard and it'll bring up every clip of luke holding a keyboard this is crazy cool there are tools for this out there already i know no no we okay like that just like messing with one he's not making one no okay no no no yeah no we we have a video coming it's oh so cool and combined with the ultra fast storage video you feel like incredibly vindicated now for keeping everything no no even now we're not gonna use it like most of the time

Starting point is 01:51:13 yeah but if we're ever looking for alex in a workshop well yeah but it narrows it down a lot compared to mvi underscore zero zero seven eight dot what totally yeah it's it's a totally totally different ball game very excited no we're not going to upload every video clip to google photos that's not how that works oh my goodness i'd have to buy petabytes of storage on google photos um ridiculous um okay okay he's adding more he found some more pink and periwinkle and he's adding some more crazy shit we're gonna write it off don't even think about asking to have an order edited because everything will be gone before you even get a chance just if you want an order for any of this stuff get it in there um oh man it's the right off sale dude why it's the right off sale um okay another merch message a new topic i'm kind of thinking about making this an annual event

Starting point is 01:52:26 it's around tax time around tax the pre-tax time write-off event why wouldn't you do post tax time because then people get their their tax returns because i i'm concerned about my tax returns i gotta write it off luke yeah it's not about them. I've got stuff to write off. Okay. What's the next topic? How do I get out of here? How do I get us to write off less things? The door's over there.

Starting point is 01:52:55 Yeah, Dan said we need merch messages. I just can do whatever. I need a break. Technically the card says merch messages. Alright, now it says two to three topics. It says move on, Luke. says merch messages. All right. Now it says two to three. Just move on, Luke. Get over it. Okay. Airbnb bans Snoopin.

Starting point is 01:53:13 Airbnb will be banning indoor security cameras and other recording devices from rental listings beginning April 30th. They will also now require hosts to disclose the presence of decibel monitors. Yeah. also now require hosts to disclose the presence of decibel monitors yeah so many hosts have policies for their airbnbs that you can't have a party or you can't have too many people over so you can set up a decibel monitor to notify you if the noise level goes above a certain amount or if they're going real hard yeah like there could be a variety of things that could or or if they have a pet so a barking dog would trigger it as well so there's a variety of reasons that hosts might include decibel meters in their suites anyway carry on okay yeah yeah um airbnb's previous policy was to merely limit the use of cameras. To common areas. And require that they are not.

Starting point is 01:54:05 Require that they are not hidden. But it didn't require that the host. Disclose their location. Or whether or not they were inside or outside. There was likewise an ambiguity. Over spaces that weren't bedrooms. But nonetheless certain. Nonetheless sorry.

Starting point is 01:54:20 Contain a couch or futon. Sufficient for sleeping. This ambiguity has led to problems like cameras being placed inappropriately close to the entrance of bathrooms airbnb likewise has a spotty track record of responding to complaints about surveillance as exemplified by a 2019 report of a family finding a hidden camera disguised as a smoke detector where the host was initially exonerated then later banned and the family refunded i'm pretty sure that was after they like blew it up on twitter or something yeah um it would just i don't believe this happened naturally discussion

Starting point is 01:54:55 question is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow and the footage from surveillance cameras inside of his rental property no it's obviously bs honestly well i mean for me i just don't feel like this um is gonna do anything no because if people really wanted like the the like dirty cameras they were trying to hide them anyways yeah um and so i just don't really i don't really understand the point of this policy change. I mean, yeah, I guess having a policy... Yeah, they can ban people more easily. But I think it's more about plausible deniability for Airbnb and covering their own legal liability

Starting point is 01:55:35 than it is about actually protecting the users. But they should do that. Because the hidden cameras are the users. Like, what I want to know is... What is the enforcement of this look like because hidden cameras are already banned but as far as i can tell it's the hidden cameras that are the actual problem you sold me on this i was like no this this makes sense this will help somewhat and yeah no not at all because people that were doing this nefariously were already hiding it um and that was already against the rules so this is like this is like

Starting point is 01:56:10 banning the appropriate that's not even appropriate banning the not really that bad but still bad part of something but leaving the really bad part of it just fine because it was already banned and people were already circling it's one of those things it's like it's a really bad analogy but i'm sure there's a good analogy out there the point the point is just that um you're you're not really you're not really keeping the the ne'er-do-wells yeah from continuing to do what they were doing yeah um people are gonna break the law anyways honestly unless airbnb is doing any actual auditing on their operators i don't see how they're going to affect any kind of meaningful change there's no way they're going to there's there's no way they could have a system where they have like a small team of people that like randomly checks

Starting point is 01:56:59 in on airbnbs but there's no way they could do all of them and here's a problem for me is that if i was an airbnb operator which i'm not i feel like this could push me underground because there is no possible way that i would have a property particularly one that i'm not living at like if i had a like if i had let's say for example i had a vacation property that i didn't live at full-time and i airbnb'd 11 months out of the year and i used occasionally i don't but let's say that i did what i'm not gonna have functionally any surveillance cameras even in the very common areas so i'm not gonna have any record if say for example uh a fire was started in the kitchen oh yeah this is like so can i play like kind of devil's advocate here a little bit and kind of go okay so then what is my

Starting point is 01:57:51 recourse well now because there's absolutely no way that i'm not going to have at least a camera in a kitchen if i if i was an operator which i'm not because partly because i'd be paranoid about this kind of thing. This is, this, I think your reasoning there is fair and good, but I think the ultimate answer is that the golden days of Airbnb is like over and people should just go back to cheap hotels. Okay.

Starting point is 01:58:17 You skipped ahead in our conversation a little bit. I wanted to play devil's advocate for a little bit longer. Yeah. But I think, I think it's fair. I mean, yeah, if you don't live there,

Starting point is 01:58:24 if there's no other way to observe because like at a hotel yeah you don't have cameras inside the rooms but you have cameras in the hallways yep in the common areas and there and the common areas and you have hotel staff that are working there so you have some amount of there's attendance a level of expectation that somebody is on hand to deal with a problem but if nobody is on hand to deal with a problem kevin s and floatplane says isn't that what's insurance for yeah but do you know how much lower your insurance premiums are if you have cameras if you and do you have any idea what how much easier that conversation is going to go with your insurance provider if you have photographic proof of what happened absolutely so no yeah the yes insurance is exactly why i would want to make sure that i have cameras in in particular zones do you need there's some do you need a camera mounted to the bottom of

Starting point is 01:59:20 your hot tub at a 45 degree angle toward the seat no obviously not is that a thing that's happened i don't know what i mean you name it some perv has put a camera in it probably uh but the point that i'm trying to make is that there are legitimate places where if i was an airbnb operator i'd be looking at this going okay well now i'm not allowed to do this so i'm just gonna do it sneakier um and you know man i i think about the tech savviness of the average person and for every airbnb owner with a hidden camera who gets busted by a really savvy uh renter there's got to be a hundred or a thousand that don't there was one interesting idea uh someone said bring a travel router and unplug theirs yeah that's that's not a bad idea pretty decent idea to be honest that's like pretty

Starting point is 02:00:11 solid actually yeah um i don't know where the message went so sorry i can't quote your name yeah this is another thing nova frost says the hidden cameras are mostly nefarious actors installing them without the owner knowing about them i think that that's probably a lot of it but i also think that that's a lot of excuses it's a very good excuse and i mean here's another thing like i would definitely want a camera pointed at my internet setup i've got a camera pointed at my rack right now you do technically of course i do yeah i have at least three cameras pointed at racks that belong to me right now because and ones that don't even if all you want to know is are the activity leds on that working like if your internet's up but something else is wrong like there's are the fans

Starting point is 02:00:57 spinning on that server is that server on or not like there's a there's a hundred reasons that you would want a camera pointed at your rack yeah um like say you're a twitch streamer for example sorry um anyway the point the point i'm trying to make is that um i would consider it to be unacceptable for me to not for me to not be able to monitor if someone is messing with the networking in the Airbnb and potentially endangering future guests. So it's like, okay, well, what's the middle ground here? I'll just not Airbnb my house. Yes, thank you. We know you've got the answer loop.

Starting point is 02:01:39 God! Hostels are fun and super cheap. I've stayed at a hostel for 30 bucks, and it was cool. Met some cool people. Often get really good suggestions of like places to go, place to eat, things to go see. I understand that. If you don't want to do that.

Starting point is 02:01:53 I understand that Nick has found some more things to write off. Oh no. What are we looking at here? Okay, so the tax write-off shirt. Oh, okay. Oh, it's actually not clear that that's a that that's an option but okay sure whatever mystery okay so a periwinkle and pink oh man did he bring them back and are they already gone again okay well there's some gray my goodness uh there's still there's still some gray and uh mystery definitely exists and then what what else is going on here uh oh my god he's

Starting point is 02:02:28 adding more things uh okay things are things are getting a little bit crazy i'm not sure where do i find all the tax you know what i give up let's burn it down faster what is it oh here we go what's on sale okay uh tax write-off shirt oh okay okay so here's everything in the tax write-off sale uh thing you can do what like view all of the crazy discounts i guess so uh okay oh he says hold on he says hold on hold on in all caps there's an extra i in there okay uh let's do another topic then shall we sure yeah hold on hold on to yourself uh this is gonna hurt like i'm sorry that's a fairly quick topic euai regulations the european parliament has voted to adopt the euai act this is crazy like the unit count keeps going up like wild but the revenue doesn't go up and the profit goes down

Starting point is 02:03:27 good good this is good okay we needed to offset any gain that the company might have from the magnets or like it would have gone to our heads yeah yeah okay okay ourselves leveled um the yeah anyways european parliament they voted to adopt the euai act which bans ai enabled social scoring exploitative behavior engineering and emotion recognition systems at work or school and limits law enforcement's use of biometrics except in exhaustively listed and narrowly defined situations not sure what exhaustively listed means exhaustively listed means that the list is all inclusive so it it it includes every allowed scenario so that there's no ambiguity in the interpretation of when it's allowed i understand okay okay uh the act also includes

Starting point is 02:04:20 stricter scrutiny and transparency requirements based on the potential risk of an AI system. Some have criticized the act as for going too far and placing European AI firms at a disadvantage in terms of development and raising capital. It will be some time before the new law does take effect with its new provisions rolling out in phases over the course of the next two years. over the course of the next two years. Yeah, personally, I'm not super worried about the poor companies not being able to raise capital so that they can make exploitative behavioral engineering systems. But... AI-enabled social scoring.

Starting point is 02:04:59 Oh, my God. All of these things are, like, horrible. Yeah. Emotion recognition systems at work or school. Meanwhile, in America, you've got cars rating your driving patterns and probably using machine learning models to determine what your insurance like in order to determine, you know, I would be the insurance companies that are probably using some kind of machine learning to take that massive amount of data and distill it down into how much your premium should be. America has got some stuff to figure out. And to be clear,

Starting point is 02:05:35 look, I always feel like I have to do this, where anytime I'm calling out, you know, the problems that exist in America. Oh, dude, we have so many of our own problems. We have lots of our own problems. We have lots of our own problems. We got problems, okay? We're problem bros. I've been sick for a month

Starting point is 02:05:52 to get an appointment with my family doctor. It takes longer than a month. And when I went to the clinic, I had a maximum of five minutes I was able to see the doctor for. Okay, your doctor sucks. My answer was uh i don't know something viral and then they kicked me out yeah your doctor blows chunks canada in case you're

Starting point is 02:06:12 wondering yeah mine's actually really good but it can be hard to find one especially in vancouver really good like you can see them quickly uh if we really need to we can see them in a pretty reasonable amount of time the problem all my symptoms have been mostly pretty mild. Yes. So the really need to is not there. It would be a few. So it takes over a month. It would be a few weeks, but there's absolutely no way that she would like kick me out after

Starting point is 02:06:34 five minutes or whatever. No, no, no. That's the walk-in clinic. Oh, the walk-in clinics are terrible. Yeah. My family doctor doesn't kick you out right away. Okay. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:06:40 I wouldn't even bother. It just takes forever. Unless you have very serious symptoms going on. It takes forever to be able to get in the hospital. No, walk walking clinics forget it it's i if i need to be seen quickly if i'm sick for multiple weeks i don't want to like if i'm talking to you and other people about like why i'm still sick i don't want to be like yeah and i haven't gone to see anyone yeah so i went to the the walking clinic is like more of a formality than anything i kind of knew there was going to be nothing good coming from that unless i can tell them what's wrong with me it's basically useless if

Starting point is 02:07:09 i'm like hey i have this i need this thing and they're like uh yeah it seems about right here you go they'll like write me a thing yeah just just take some ivermectin and then you're good to go nice no more worms yeah drink some bleach do not do either of those things i mean if if i did drink bleach i don't think i would be sick anymore yeah you'd have a condition of some sort problem solved not medical advice he's coming he's come up with an acute case of rigor mortis i'm not uh i'm gonna i'm gonna type that yeah i know i know yeah yeah yeah it's it's it's it's it's localized below the waist we get it all right he got it oh man i don't even have to tell jokes anymore just laugh hard enough and linus knows what i'm thinking yeah well anyways um next topic

Starting point is 02:08:06 weird notebook check article about our video yeah this is super weird um the original version of it credited this photo to playstation which i thought was really interesting oh Oh yeah, no, I did see this. So they've made at least one change to it. Everything about this is super weird. Well-known tech YouTuber declares PS5 dead, wants to provide proof by building his own PC for the same price, and fails all along the line. So this appears to be in reference to our It's Time to Kill the PlayStation 5 video,

Starting point is 02:08:45 where we made a secondhand crack at taking a PS5 budget and trying to build a PC that is competitive, and ultimately came to the conclusion that the PS5 Xbox Series X generation, for a variety of reasons, xbox series x generation for a variety of reasons have held on to their better value than an equivalently priced pc title much longer than expected and longer than previous generations and that if you wanted to buy with brand new hardware you are still better off buying a ps5 than you are today however if you're willing to dive into the second-hand market and put something together yourself you can get competitive it is possible today but you'll have to be a little bit patient and try to find a deal so the writer took all of that and came away with um that it requires compromises that hardly any

Starting point is 02:09:42 gamer would make i guess they've never been to a land party because yeah i i say so i had not watched the video sure but i did skim this and i found that line and was like huh so i went and looked at the parts list and genuinely stared at for a while being like what if this would i'd not do this all seems quite reasonable i don't understand the number of trash tier inherited cases that i have seen at land parties yeah out numbers the nice brand new ones there was an area where there would be real custom systems in old dell and hp cases at every single land that would be like a quarter of the system of course it was absolutely a thing of course there were uh there's no question the gaming pc offers more possibilities tech to you wanted to prove the opposite and embarked on an ambitious experiment he put together a gaming pc that would offer better performance than the ps5 at a comparable

Starting point is 02:10:34 price however a number of difficulties arose that the youtuber had apparently not considered the project can therefore be considered a failure i'm gonna reference you as the youtuber from now on thank you i love that that's so good here's the thing writer of this article by the time we've uploaded the video we know the outcome this may surprise you that's nuts but there is a period after when we have conceived of an idea and filmed the video where the video is filmed and all the information is known and it is being edited before it is uploaded the project is exactly what we set out to do which was to look at what it would take to build a pc for the budget of a playstation 5 so um the project was a success because we built a pc that was fairly equivalent to the play PlayStation 5 in raw performance, but did have compromises, which we met head-on,

Starting point is 02:11:53 acknowledging in the video even things that most people probably wouldn't be aware of. Did you know, for example, that HDR on Intel Arc is a mess? No. It's because they used the standard DirectX 12 implementation, which many game developers don't use instead they use amd and nvidia's own proprietary flags because they predate the standard implementation so you'll be playing a game on amd or nvidia hardware in hdr and hdr will work and you'll play that same game on intel and it will be all washed out you know like it'll have that kind of log footage look yeah um like it's not graded um and that's that's a known issue it

Starting point is 02:12:30 wasn't one that i knew about before this project but that's that's part of the journey of discovery of doing things like this is is you learn it's it's a learning outcome uh was initially able to obtain all components at a price comparable to the purchase price of the ps5 however this was only possible because the youtuber decided to buy used hardware without a warranty oh no the total price is not really realistic yes it is um this was all stuff we found uh linus received the case free of charge due to signs of use signs of use i love him describing this case as having signs of use the thing was trashed um and getting a case for nothing is a thing you can do absolutely you just have to be patient and you have to be willing to use one that's kind of trashed yeah um additional costs would have to be planned for

Starting point is 02:13:16 this no they wouldn't um the shipping costs for the individual components are also not included and this is true but a lot of the parts that we found, in fact, we found better deals that we didn't include because we were worried that they wouldn't be reproducible. David found a way better CPU for the same price, for example, on Facebook Marketplace, which he could have gone and gotten. And yes, there are some, you know, transit costs that you would maybe have to account to there. But no, these are actually things that you could obtain. It is true that we didn't account

Starting point is 02:13:45 for the cost of the operating system and peripherals that is accurate but you can use windows without paying for it even if you shouldn't um and we acknowledged that we didn't include the cost of peripherals we also didn't include the additional cost of buying games on the playstation store games on playstation are more expensive buying large than buying them on pc if you want to play a multiplayer game wouldn't you have to buy the ps plus thing or whatever it's called as well um i'm not sure how it works these days i haven't i haven't daily driven playstation basically in forever so or basically forever um the newest playstation i own is a piece ps2 that should give you some idea hey me too um

Starting point is 02:14:28 buying new hardware would cost over a thousand dollars this is true but it wasn't what we were talking about uh wait if you want to rebuild the pc sorry hold on a second if you want to rebuild the pc you have to plan for significantly higher costs if you want to rebuild it okay i'm really not sure what that maybe they mean like build the one that you specced out the advantage of gaming consoles is that they uh are ready to use straight out of the box yes yes yes yes um it is therefore unlikely many gamers would follow the youtuber's example and build their own pc from used hardware instead of buying a playstation 5 you're right and that's exactly our point with exercises like this and with scrapyard wars is

Starting point is 02:15:09 that they should um in one of the scrapyard wars i've made my own there's benefits guys there's benefits to learning that's like saying a lot of people are saying it's ai generated article no i don't think so yeah i didn't actually think it was either there's there's this this article feels a little bit like saying um that we should have made a video about hiring a plumber to come and repair our sink instead of you know going to um to a building materials refurbisher and buying a used sink and installing it ourselves and learning something and saving some money. The fuck are you talking about? Like,

Starting point is 02:15:50 are you, are you even, are you, is that an interesting video? Is that, is that good life advice? Honestly, though,

Starting point is 02:15:59 fair enough. Is that what we should be promoting? Just have someone build it for you don't do anything yourself don't learn pay as much as you can i just i don't i don't get it we we never at any point in the video we're we're dishonest in any way by the way i'm just i'm just going through our success or lack thereof however you want to define that online listicles and finding free computer cases right now i know i've found a few already not listicles listings what is listicles a listicle is an article that's a list oh right yeah don't worry

Starting point is 02:16:37 about it um anyway so there's i have some notes from from jessica here uh wait really what's up oh uh jessica says i have read the article in german and it is basically the same in both languages also i am fairly certain the author is not an ad no jessica uh was i didn't know she could read german okay cool though he posts around four relatively short articles every day to notebook check usually two articles in german plus their english translations i believe this to be non-suspicious yeah that's fair um she also said odd factors from the article the article provides a summary that misunderstands the purpose of the video and dismisses the project as a failure essentially because we chose to buy used hardware without a warranty it is also extremely dismissive of trying to build your own pc simply because a lot of gamers won't want to spend a lot of time on it or don't have the skill and will

Starting point is 02:17:28 choose to do something else instead well i've just fair enough got a few words for the writer of that article and they are maybe you should get good yeah got him maybe the writer of the article should buy a screwdriver and get free shipping on a tax write-off maybe your maybe your readers would be more likely to build their own pcs and save money and learn something if you promoted that instead of just buying a console that's a bad idea why do you even work at notebook check because you don't build your own notebook okay then why is notebook check even like the consoles of the computer world dude it's actually kind of a bizarre thing to me like the the the amount of coverage that some youtubers get from traditional media um when they do something positive versus the amount of coverage that

Starting point is 02:18:21 we get when we do something positive and then how everyone how everyone is talking about it when anything negative happens with us it's like so they clearly all know who we are but only in the context of when there's something negative to report on it's it's do you think we do that with wanshow become a bit of a pattern i think we report on positive things yeah but like car companies we always report when they do bad stuff do they ever do good things maybe trying to think what we've talked about that's been good lately so far flow plane chat just thinks they don't do good things that's fair things are pretty dystopian these concept cars i don't make the rules i don't know if i would consider that a good thing anyway this was something that uh this was something that popped up to me um i do wonder how much coverage is simply

Starting point is 02:19:12 paid linus i hope this finds you well i'm writing in regard to my last email in which we discussed featuring you in the top 10 inspiring leaders of 2024 nice as mentioned previously you will be presented with a two full page profile in the magazine that includes a headshot of the leader a high resolution pdf of your profile an html link with a backlink a digital logo a media press release and a digital certificate of recognition for the nominal fee of 1500 us dollars nice these come in extremely regularly and i consider them to be kind of ridiculous and i didn't know that was for some reason it makes sense but for some reason i see a lot more coverage of certain people and i see a lot less coverage of me when something's positive

Starting point is 02:19:59 um it's just the the timing of this this this came in uh i think about two weeks ago this one and then there's another one last week that i didn't forward to the um i think there might be other reasons i think there are definitely other reasons but so i don't i don't i don't think that's like a reason to witch hunt someone to be very clear no no no no no no no no not that at all like okay there's uh there's definitely people in the tech space that I know get a lot of real organic coverage. Marques, for example, gets a ton of organic coverage. Yeah, there's no way Marques is buying any of that. No, absolutely.

Starting point is 02:20:33 I would be... No chance. I would eat a tax write-off t-shirt if Marques ever paid to be included in some stupid list. Yeah, there's no way. So this is not about that. My point is just that it it has stood out to me as a pattern that when we do something really cool it almost seems like

Starting point is 02:20:55 there's a deafening silence yeah of discussion about it um i don't know there's been exceptions seven gamers one cpu actually got a ton of coverage yeah it was a long time ago oof yeah i just kind of wonder there's been exceptions it was uh six years ago or however who did i piss off uh yeah is the answer everyone i think part of it's that we're canadian here's a weird bit i was talking to someone recently about like creator events and like creator deals and all this kind of stuff. Um, and I mentioned like, you know, I don't hear about a lot of this stuff.

Starting point is 02:21:34 Like I'm obviously not the business department takes care of those things. They've taken care of those things for many years, but I was like a lot of these things, I don't know. And he's like, yeah, that's really weird. I'll like, I'll like make sure I talk to some people and make sure you guys get bumped more. Then I got a message back a couple of days later and he's like, Oh,

Starting point is 02:21:50 you guys are Canadians. It's nothing we can do. Yeah. I'm like, Oh, that happens a lot. Okay. So I think just the border makes things annoying.

Starting point is 02:22:04 So then it's just not really worth it yep honestly i think that's a lot of it yeah all right like there was the i was in uh la not that long ago and the same type of thing happened a bajillion people are like hey let's like do stuff because i can get there easily they might not be from there but they can get there really easily americans don't have passports this is another problem that we run into often uh which is just like there's a lot of like just not being in the states is like a surprising barrier um and one that isn't always often communicated but exists yeah seven gamers one cpu it's actually older than i thought it's eight years ago yep hey the fcc raised their definition of broadband on the very same day

Starting point is 02:22:59 that we uploaded that video saying hey uh your internet is probably too fast and i knew that that title was going to be a little bit baity because i know a lot of people do not have internet that is uh too fast because what i was talking about was how there's a practical limit to how much benefit you can get from faster internet i haven't watched it but i agree we basically go through all the reasons you might think you need faster internet yeah and if you don't have a top-of-the-line gaming pc and your reason is that you want to download games faster yeah it's not gonna happen there's basically there's there's not much check your system resources to crack to crack gigabit to get higher than gigabit,

Starting point is 02:23:46 you basically need a very modern, high-performance gaming PC. To crack two and a half gig, because there are home internet connections that are two and a half gig or even greater. But to reach download speeds that high on anything that needs to be unpacked as you're downloading it, you need a thread thread ripper essentially. And so we go through a lot of the considerations,

Starting point is 02:24:09 like how much of your regular surfing is actually going to be a DNS lookup or loading in additional trackers and other content on the page versus what is actually raw download speed. We talk about how download sites even offer that download speed offer that to you? Download speeds spool, right? Yeah. Most pages are so small, you're not going to get anywhere near... It's not going to...

Starting point is 02:24:31 Yeah. This greater than gigabit speed when you're browsing the web. It's just not going to happen. Won't ramp up in time. We discuss some of the benefits, like faster chunk loading, if you're watching Netflix or YouTube

Starting point is 02:24:42 or floatplane.com or whatever the case may be. But we also kind of we also discuss we also kind of debunk some of the big reasons that some people pay for mondo home internet and those are uh you know self-hosting or um linux iso sharing we're kind of like look i mean why don't you just um use a seed box yeah yeah they're so cheap both of those things honestly unless you're doing it for like home lab um i want to learn about it stuff reasons subakashi says just think of a family of five with everyone using it at the same time okay i'm thinking about it yeah what are the odds what are the odds that everyone is doing something at exactly the same time doing something heavy and doing something

Starting point is 02:25:34 heavy even if you're all watching see this is something a lot of people don't realize even if you're all watching 4k netflix won't be enough you're all pulling down chunks yeah so you the connection is still gonna sit idle a lot of the time now there are types of content streaming that are less optimized and so we kind of we kind of touch on things like twitch for example especially broadcasting twitch but even then the bit rates are so much lower that as long as you've got a few hundred megabits symmetric we're kind of we're kind of at an it's enough point right now where if you have a mondo machine and it's all about you know loading the latest game installing the latest game on your system as fast as possible by all means get a more expensive internet connection or or or whatever sure but beyond that until the infrastructure changes outside of your home

Starting point is 02:26:27 in the services that you're using we're basically there there isn't an insane amount of incentive for that because honestly load times are pretty darn good things are kind of fast enough i mean google stopped even we talked about this a few weeks ago right where google stopped having cached pages because they're just like yeah i don't know the web's pretty reliable um anyway on that same day the fcc quadrupled the minimum internet speed that's required to label it broadband which is a really good thing because what i won't argue with is that for a lot of people their internet is not fast enough. Agreed. The agency concluded that the minimum speed an ISP must offer to market their services broadband should be increased

Starting point is 02:27:12 to 100 megabit down, 20 megabit up. This is the first increase since 2015 when it was set at 25.3. I actually think that's pretty reasonable. I think 100 down being broadband is pretty reasonable and luke remember you're a content creator upload actually doesn't matter to most people yeah no i totally agree i care about it i care about it a lot yep like a lot most people are basically never going to use it, though. So with that in mind, it's... I wouldn't describe it as the greatest broadband. And it doesn't even meet the threshold for what, in our video, we said would be kind of the most you'd need.

Starting point is 02:27:58 It's not there yet. I do think more people than in the past are heavily using upload now, though. More work from home is happening. Oh, that's totally true. More school from home is happening. And you might not necessarily foresee school from home because the whole RIP in peace forever. But snow days are now being like remote school days. That's a bummer.

Starting point is 02:28:21 I know, right? That sucks. Okay, this is cool. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I've got a tax write-off update, and I've got an update from Jake on his AI video sorting thing.

Starting point is 02:28:31 Oh, nice. Okay, hold on, hold on. So I'm just going to run over to Luke's camera for a second. Yeah. Oh, do you want to switch it to your camera? Dan got it. You can focus on the merch messages.

Starting point is 02:28:42 Oh, he needed a break. I understand. I can multitask. can you read that? no someone can oh wow horrifying very reasonable to think that's a factory

Starting point is 02:29:03 sup sup stream Horrifying. Very reasonable to think that's a factory. Okay. Sup? Supstream? What's going on? There's a man with a beard and a hat. Yeah. That's true. There's two of them, actually. You better read it for the people because my mic is really good. Oh. Well, now you're done.

Starting point is 02:29:21 The point is, it said there are two men in a factory working on a computer and there's a man what is even happening yep sorry drop the ball on that one there's a man with a beard and a hat smiling that's ai generated and that's just chugging through our footage right now that's pretty good are you wearing a hat in that or a beanie i can't really see i'm wearing a hat yeah all right so it's creating metadata like that that will allow us to search through our footage so jake sent me that and then nick said i'm adding track suits to lol need a couple more minutes hold hold on okay psycho go for it when you want to this this if

Starting point is 02:29:59 these are still available when i get home i'm buying more oh the dropout oh the dropout's amazing i have a full red dropout yeah i love it and it's it's probably my favorite hoodie at this price i would just buy another set of uh long xl blacks yep yep yep yep yep uh do you want to go to the uh do you want to go to the tax write-off uh banner so we'll have we have everything that is uh part of the tax write-off event as well how much are the track suits the hoodie this way this is not just red by the way the dropout stuff um the track suits 20 bucks holy bananas the jacket jackets 20 bucks and then the pants 1999 20 bucks okay crazy joggers. 1999. 20 bucks. Okay. Crazy.

Starting point is 02:30:48 Okay, this is actually getting a little bit scary for me. I wasn't sure he was going to add this much stuff. We need to add more at this point. No, we don't, actually. You weren't suggesting backpack for 25 bucks? I don't think we're going to add anything else at this point. Not a bad idea. If you want to write more stuff off. Pretty good.

Starting point is 02:31:02 Okay, we added quite a lot to it at this point i think that we've added enough the dropout is absolutely absolute madness at that price i know what our costs are on this yeah so both both colors are on sale um of this i'm not sure why it shows um the thingy here okay i don't i don't know the point is that um yeah uh okay like these are these are products that have ravemad okay sure i mean whatever best track jacket i've ever owned um the dropout is the dropout is awesome this is i hesitate to say my favorite hoodie we've ever made it's fantastic it's it's the if you if you're on like a saturday off work and you want to just chill it's the best it's the best it might not's the if you if you're on like a saturday off work and you want to just chill it's the best it's the best it might not be the best overall i don't know but it's the best for like that

Starting point is 02:32:12 he's got one on i mean it's the one i'm rocking today i like traveling with it a lot um it's good stuff i hope we reserved a few for after the tax write-off event because potato sack when are when are when is the new Potato Sack stuff? I have no idea. Okay. We have samples, but I have no idea when it's coming. I feel like you probably should have waited for the Potato PC video for that to launch. I think I, well, I mean, sure, yeah.

Starting point is 02:32:38 Because you announced it in that video. I know. Okay. Do I seem like I know what I'm doing? I told him this earlier today i was like the youtuber i was like google google a picture of me this was pretty funny i was like google a picture of me and then uh images does that guy look like he knows what he's doing i mean look at this guy you can't even figure out his facial hair. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:33:05 That one doesn't. I mean, does this guy look like he knows what he's doing? What is that famous birthday's photo? What is up with your hair? Where is it? Up one. What's going on? You've just got the one little twixt.

Starting point is 02:33:23 My hair naturally. The one little twixt. hair naturally little twixt my hair naturally faux hawks dude like here look at you can you could probably see it's just one here you can probably see it right now like it no i know it's always had the little thing it does this thing it's from both sides like it just kind of like it kind of swoops i don't get it dude i should pull it one way so i should pull out the old high school photos of when i had carving in my hair carving. I had,

Starting point is 02:33:46 yeah, I had like a star on the back of my head and like all this other, I went to this barber shop in Victoria. Um, and he was like, what do you want done? And I was like, I don't know,

Starting point is 02:33:55 whatever. And he's like, that's like, that's a dangerous thing to like say here. We do a lot of crazy stuff. And I was like, yeah, I don't care.

Starting point is 02:34:01 Just whatever you want to do. And I came out with some weird stuff. It was like yeah i don't care just whatever you want to do and i came out with some weird stuff it was bad never went back to it that's good yeah yeah oh my god the unit count what goes up yeah i mean i tried to stop you from doing this. I take zero responsibility. The revenue doesn't go up. No go up. No go up. But somehow the profit go down.

Starting point is 02:34:32 Sorry, I just, I'm glued to this report now. Buy cable management arches to go with it. It's so weird when you like sell t-shirts for $10 that your profit would go down and you sell hoodies like thick high quality hoodies for like what is it 20 bucks or something i don't remember we better not move through all the dropout hoodies because that's an amazing hoodie $25 crazy jeepus so the cheaper than most places will sell a t-shirt. We're selling a hoodie. That's cool.

Starting point is 02:35:07 That's good. We're writing it off. That's really good. Yeah, we're not selling it. We're writing it off. Can you not do both? I guess so. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:35:15 Okay. I'm actually getting a little bit of anxiety now. I was kind of having fun earlier in the show and I've come down a bit. Welcome. Cool. So I guess it's time for the after party ups the yeah yeah the amd ups the hertz um basically to have a free sync or free sync premium label on your product you have to support higher refresh rates for gaming it's good yeah okay after please subscribe to float plane yeah yeah the ludwig video is great. I'm sure there's going to be more cool stuff. Yep.

Starting point is 02:35:47 Now's a good time to subscribe to Floatplane. I'd appreciate that. What's that, Dan? 80%. Okay, cool. Pure chocolate. Do I have any comfort food? I do. Oh, excellent.

Starting point is 02:36:04 Okay. okay all right the creator are you ready you got to answer some stuff uh-huh yep i'm gonna try to go through i don't think i can read them to you because I still have 265 to go. Yeah, I can do that. You keep chugging. Let me see if I can even get through incoming. Oh, right. I can just minimize it. You can just pop it down.

Starting point is 02:36:32 It's very usable. Yeah. All right. Howdy, thewanshow.dll. I'm starting a music hardware company, and I'm curious. With your products, has there been anything, good good or bad that customers focused on that you didn't expect them to thank? Huh?

Starting point is 02:36:53 Um, something they focused on that we didn't expect. I feel like, um, like I'm the, the sort of anal retentive person who who is gonna flip out if something's even remotely wrong but is there like a reason why they liked a product that you didn't necessarily foresee being a popular reason or something like that

Starting point is 02:37:19 like focused on doesn't necessarily mean negative no no no i get it i get it um man uh this is this is really hard i'm loading up the store and i'm going to look at our products oh okay here's something i didn't think people would care so much about our screwdriver bits being black that black coating is actually functional um and it has something to do with something something the metal better something uh but it's cosmetic after that fact um so we've had people try to initiate return requests because the black coating has come off of their bits um that was something that was weird not something i expected people to focus on yeah uh there i came up with something good job linus yeah uh hey linus i actually work at a badminton facility or i should broadcast this uh i collect shuttles at

Starting point is 02:38:22 the end of the that didn't work uh-oh that's okay just read it uh i collect shuttles at the end of the that didn't work uh-oh that's okay just read it uh i collect shuttles at the end of the day my question is why don't we ever see shuttles that behave like feather ones but are nearly indestructible ah so they're working on that um i've actually tried a couple of them here Here's Victor's Carbon Sonic. So these are synthetic feather shuttles. The ones that I've used, I don't think they were this one. I think they were a different one, but very similar. They use almost a foam-like material here, and they do last substantially longer than feather shuttles and don't have some of the same animal cruelty concerns as feather shuttles but

Starting point is 02:39:06 i think it's going to be quite a while before we see any kind of professional tournament move to something like this because while they have a benefit in terms of cost they do not fly quite the same it's nature is one heck of a good designer and as it turns out synthetically are mimicking the properties of a natural material with a synthetic one is extremely extremely difficult and i mean it's has like yeah i don't the, like, will the NBA ever move beyond leather balls? Like why? I don't think so.

Starting point is 02:39:49 I guess it's the same. That 3d printed basketball recently, which was pretty cool, actually pretty cool. But unless it is actually identical, I just don't see it happening. It's the same with baseballs. They're going to be leather forever because at that level they can afford the real one and so you might see in fact you do see like you play like a minor b game or whatever you're going to be playing with like a hunk of plastic because it doesn't matter they're just going to huck it in a pitching machine it's going to get chewed up anyway but at an elite level i think natural materials are going to be king for the foreseeable

Starting point is 02:40:27 future and when it comes to marketing you always market what the pros use so there's always going to be that that aspiration to to use the natural material the like the real one natural material is always going to be real no matter how fraught it is with you know ethical concerns yeah yeah uh i this one is curated technically um i don't think it did work uh first time i've remembered to add a merch message and i'm wasting it on this meta joke about wasting a merch message love you dan nice nice nice uh that got curated it did uh nice good job dad i suspect that was a misclick uh hello wandy ll luke i'm relatively i'm a relatively new it director of a booming it team what criteria do you use to give junior admins or engineers admin

Starting point is 02:41:19 passwords or the keys to the kingdom for critical infra uh generally it's are you aj um if the answer is no low chart then no if the answer is yes then yeah um so aj has been with us over five years now um seven years shut up pretty sure seven pretty sure he's he technically started helping me with things that's right in a non-professional capacity in 2016 good lord uh that was super light okay um by the time we're in 2017 things are ramping up he's still technically non-professional capacity at the beginning of the year by the end of year, he's working with us full-time. Yeah. I don't know.

Starting point is 02:42:13 It's very difficult, though. It's actually really hard. You need to not... One thing that you need to communicate to your team that I think is actually really important to communicate is that it's not a sign of respect it's it's no seriously though it's it's no i was just i was looking at our sales report yeah yeah yeah um having the keys is a threat for everyone it's not a good thing you don't want too many people to have access to stuff

Starting point is 02:42:46 you want generally at least two admins on every system just in case something goes wrong with one of the admin accounts you can still recover it or whatever um but other than that you really want to limit it as much as possible and what you might end up wanting to do uh because it sounds like your team might be fairly sizable is to have some like areas of ownership so you have a person who has the keys to a certain like portion of the it department um but they don't have it for all of it and then a different person has it for another portion and then you have it for all of them or something like that but there shouldn't be very many people that have it for all of them ideally just kind of one and then uh some people that have

Starting point is 02:43:25 smaller amounts it's it's an accountability it's a risk vector because every account has a potential to be compromised so even if like every single person at ltd was perfectly trustworthy, which I'm sure they are. If we gave every single person full admin rights to every single thing, then every single person's account is now a major, insanely scary attack vector to owning everything that we have. So you just, you don't want to do that. So you,

Starting point is 02:44:01 it's like, I have people on my team that are like happy when they lose permissions to things because they're like oh i don't have to like worry about this thing so much anymore which is good um yeah i don't know so it's scary try to try to slowly creep your trust with people um like increase it slowly. Yeah. Fun fact. One of the reasons why when I was at school I was seriously thinking about becoming a database administrator

Starting point is 02:44:35 was because I was like, hey, if I'm in control of all your data, you're probably going to pay me pretty well. And if you don't... I don't know like I when you have access to extremely important things and all that type of stuff it comes

Starting point is 02:44:52 with you are a portion of risk and you know that person's probably gonna be taken care of decently well that was a thought process I ran out of curated already I don't know if that's That was a thought process. I ran out of curated already. I don't know if that's because.

Starting point is 02:45:09 Oh, nope. Okay. They're loaded. Did you just do that? Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Starting point is 02:45:16 I was looking at that one going like, the fuck is this? Hi guys. Linus, are you open to criticism? No. Would you be willing to have a discussion slash interview with someone who didn't like you before August?

Starting point is 02:45:36 Turn it off now! And now are giving you a second chance to see if it's better? Second chance to what? The f*** are you talking about? Am I open to criticism? I'm here! giving you a second chance to see if it's better. Second chance to what the fuck are you talking about? Like, am I open to criticism? I'm here.

Starting point is 02:45:50 Give it to me. I don't understand why you would do that. Uh, because I almost don't understand why you do almost any interview. Um, I don't know. I don't do many. No,

Starting point is 02:46:00 very few people ask me. Yeah. Um, maybe you end up doing like a colin and sumir video someday i don't know i kind of doubt it but i kind of we're not really mainstream yeah we're we're like we're a big fish in a really small pond like actually very small i think a lot of people massively overestimate how big the space is and and the thing is like yeah we're we're we're big on youtube but that's also a small pond like on youtube companies like dude perfect are big and you know what those guys are killing

Starting point is 02:46:32 it oh yeah they're crushing it they're doing awesome yeah for like you know a group of entrepreneurs not they're not running you know a multinational business in the same way that really big businesses are operating it's just not it's just not on the same scale right and um i'll sometimes i find you know we talked a long time ago you mentioned the 100 million dollar offer thing yeah um and then i'll see some company that like i think is small and it's like oh they just sold for 980 million dollars i'm like or people are like wow i can't believe they were able to acquire this company for company for so cheap it was only company yeah yeah perfect who are you talking about that freudian slip though

Starting point is 02:47:21 i can't believe they were able to get them so cheap for only 2.7 billion dollars and i'm like oh oh people are out there doing stuff um cory is the name cory is the name has a great response to this tell the kind man thank you for giving you a second chance i appreciate it i do actually thanks i do. I do, actually. As for being open to criticism, my word. I have been criticized from the moment I first uploaded a video and people talked about my f***y earrings or whatever else or my awful high-pitched voice to the moment that you are sitting in right now telling me you didn't like me

Starting point is 02:48:07 prior to august and now you have to have an interview with them but you're willing to consider if you can like me now will you now spend your time doing this um hey i i i do appreciate it though um the the the cold hard truth appreciate the second chance yeah i do i do appreciate it, though. The cold, hard truth, though, is... Appreciate the second chance. Yeah, I do. I do appreciate that. And, you know, if you're chill, then I'm chill. And if you're not, then that's... You know what? That's okay, too.

Starting point is 02:48:34 Because at the end of the day, I just got to do my thing here. That's what YouTube is. From your perspective. You. But it's me, right? And for a lot of people, that's going youtube is it's from your perspective you but but it's me right and uh for a lot of people that's going to resonate and for a lot of people that's not going to resonate and um you know we're just going to be us we'll be here if you're uh if it's third chance time another time because you didn't like my response to that then hey i feel like that might happen i'm still gonna be here for that too though i'll be here yeah all right yeah sorry i just saw that when i was like all right cure um i got one uh let's do it

Starting point is 02:49:20 congrats on the mM launch. Question for little L. What was the hardest part about selecting the components of each pack of the MCM? All right, go ahead and ask him. Basically, we were trying to make sure that we had a pretty safe balance of what most people would need for the targeted, the stated use for them. So what we did was we went around to people's desks. We asked people about their home setups here at the office because we're pretty representative of gamers and techies. And we kind of did it. We were like, okay, how much did we need without overspending?

Starting point is 02:50:05 And then we built bundles based on that. Oh, that makes some sense. I got a question about my setup a while ago and I didn't bother ask like why they were asking these questions, but I was like, what? And I think it was probably related to that. Next question. I'm 37. Oh, I should broadcast.

Starting point is 02:50:24 I'm 37 and had both hips replaced last month if you could replace any part of your body with titanium what would it be my head that's pretty good yeah because you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference. Got him! If it worked just as well, but was less susceptible to damage, I think my spine... That'd be pretty sick. But that's like... That's just like a worst-case scenario insurance policy,

Starting point is 02:51:00 whereas if you went with, like, the knees, then you'd know it's definitely useful. Or hips. Yeah. Hips are huge, dude. They don't lie. Break your... whereas if you went with like the knees yeah then you'd know it's definitely useful or hips yeah hips are huge dude they don't lie break the the fatality percentage after breaking your hip is insane that's true like it's actually crazy how are we doing boys uh we ran out of curates never better dan i just uh i just gave up and left. Yeah, I saw that. Noticed. Well, no, he was probably going to work on the after party. No, I was just crying. I was just crying outside.

Starting point is 02:51:29 I was going to say, I think he just took a break. Oh, okay. Well, that's fine, too. Because he didn't go that way. He went this way. Yeah, there's a quiet server room where nobody can hear you sad. You mean scream? Sure.

Starting point is 02:51:44 I have no mouth. Did you want two cameras or one camera um same as last week or more advanced dan why don't you tell us what you have the strength for i can jump as high as you want linus no matter what hour of the day or how long my shift has been how easy is the second camera what about second camera what about second camera i'm i'm starting these linus isms and it's becoming a bit of a problem um after last week it's it's trivial now so okay um how long are you going to be to get through these 362 merch we're not going to get through them all today okay yeah we're just gonna we're gonna do some of them and then we'll we'll go up and we'll do super checks and then we'll call it there because um you don't know this but um i have

Starting point is 02:52:32 to be at the airport in like six hours or something like that so okay oh i also am incentivized to not be here forever let's do one camera it could be two one camera it could be two i'm doing two cameras it's better it looks better you want to do it looks better it's got to be best of seven or it's barely even hockey oh my god i think best of five is i think best of five is the way if you're a coward wow are you a coward i mean are you a yellow belly why would that be more coward luke has a skill issue and he doesn't want anybody to know it I tell everyone I lose most I will wreck both of you let's play a different game yeah because you can't win at super checks that's true I'm very tired I will break you um all right I'm excited tired. I will break you.

Starting point is 02:53:26 All right. I'm excited for when Dan and I work out again. Yeah. Sounds like we're doing mastery sets for every single one of us. Hell yeah. Let's go. I almost said a bad word. I'm going to go get another camera, unless you guys want to end the stream or something like that.

Starting point is 02:53:41 We could do that together. Yeah, we'll... No, right. No, not yet. Okay. Yeah, not yet. We should do a few more. We should do a few more we should do a few more give me give me 10 minutes yeah the uh we're still getting a merch message every 10 seconds we should do more of these though um we'll do a few more but like oh my gosh uh this is ridiculous

Starting point is 02:54:02 i'll let you chew on this one for a second then i'll go try to deal with more of them uh hey dll i'm gonna broadcast hey dll i have a question uh i've had this question for a while for linus between your relationship between your wife yvonne and your husband luke which has had more development oh um it's actually a decent question i mean the one where you have kids together is going to be where you have the biggest questions to answer because at the end of the day it better be as much as we as much as we care deeply about our team here um there's a difference between the relationship of a group of co-workers and the relationship of your flesh and blood um and and while we want what's best for the team, and while the team wants what's best for the company,

Starting point is 02:55:13 at the end of the day, I believe that money corrupts everything. And I think that because money is inherent in an employer-employee relationship, the capacity... There's still money involved in... Well, I was going to get to that. Okay. The capacity for it to corrupt the relationship is almost guaranteed. Like, every work relationship pretty much ends at some point, and there are exceptions.

Starting point is 02:55:42 But if you compare that to the capacity of money to corrupt a family relationship which is great which is huge the percentage is guaranteed is lower yeah and and let's not kid ourselves money destroys many families especially i think right now where cost of living is so high and it's so financially beneficial to split the rent with split the rent of one room with another person yeah maybe taint is the right word instead of corrupt says mawson on floatplane that's probably right um i think that and you know obviously it right okay this is a perfect example because the thing i was about to say comes from a position of of a power imbalance in the relationship i was going to say i don't feel like money has corrupted or tainted mine and luke's relationship

Starting point is 02:56:34 not yet i feel hasn't yet i i do i feel like it would be pretty tough but that's easy for me to say in my position and so the dynamics always there it's always something that has to be kind of considered um and that i i i have to be aware of and have to be and i have to be careful of um because because that potential for taint that potential for corruption is always there even if it never seeps in, if that kind of makes sense. Do you kind of get what I mean? No, it is. Yeah. It's, uh, I often consider things I might say because, because you might only think of this from Linus's perspective, but there's things that I can say that could be very charged as well sure like okay here's an example that could go both ways you know if i were to if i were to make a comment like okay let's say i was getting married this is a big thing right now uh millennials are apparently destroying their relationships over

Starting point is 02:57:39 destination weddings oh um not their relationships with the spouse but their relationships with their families over destination weddings and the costs associated with it if i were to get butthurt over luke refusing to attend my stupid destination wedding and i were to somehow oh yeah make that about the money that i know he has right because why do i know that i only know how much money luke has because he works damn hard for it and at the end of the day i signed the check but that's not a normal dynamic in a relationship and in this equal but opposite if i start complaining about expenses it can put pressure on me the the the human being the friend that wouldn't normally be there if he was just a bro complaining about expenses which like i i have at times but but i try to be pretty careful with it and i try to make sure that

Starting point is 02:58:33 i'm presenting things the right way yeah and i often am paying attention and so and it's always been fine it's something we both have to worry about a little bit yeah because there's that potential there. Like, okay, here's another really great example. Okay, when it comes to food, right? It would be very easy for Luke to be upset that knowing as he does my financial situation as well, it would be easy for him to be upset if I just didn't offer to pay for everything. But then it would be easy for me to be upset if Luke didn't offer to pay for things, at the very least, because I might feel taken for granted.

Starting point is 02:59:12 I might feel taken advantage of. So, these are the kinds of dynamics that will always exist, but that I feel like we're both cognizant of and that we're both respectful about. And that we try to keep out of our relationship but it's a conscious effort i guess is what i'm trying to say yeah every relationship whether it's romantically involved or not is gonna have some amount of work element to it yeah uh yeah i mean relationships are a lot of work yeah and and work is tough on a relationship like it cuts every way to be clear yeah it's worth it you should try to have like your the amount of friends you have is gonna

Starting point is 02:59:51 dwindle over time it really does doesn't it pretty pretty intensely um i think we might have some and i started with like three i think we might have some somewhat unique uh things going on there um because i i mean my like core friend group has always been cool and i suspect they will always be cool but there's some like people that i was more on the acquaintance level with that will reach out randomly and i'm like now i am automatically primed and suspicious of like is this because of yeah is this because of public presence is this because you need something whatever and it almost always is i have those two things i've told yvonne before because she she and i she and i talk doomsday scenarios it's a

Starting point is 03:00:37 hobby um and and and she has said things like well it would be easy for you to find someone um and just not in like an like angry way but just in like a debating way we we talk right you know you're married long enough you talk about everything eventually and i kind of went well right but what would that be yeah because it's gonna be charged would i ever sure you're right honestly at at at my at my age and and like being a youtuber which is from my understanding kind of desirable thing and you know having a pretty pretty decent amount of money you know could i could i find uh could i find a meat thing to spend time with i i don't i don't really question that you don't need to get all

Starting point is 03:01:32 yes if on would do fine you don't need to oh she would you don't need to propose in chat right now she'd have no trouble banging i i have no doubt because because the same thing is also true in the inverse right yeah she is also very eligible you know as a as a bachelorette so but but but what i said what i said to her was like yeah i have no question that i could find something but would i ever find that genuine going to be trying to seek the same quality that I previously had. I would never find it. And I'm going to have to find someone that is worth the amount of work and effort that we did to get to where we are. And I'm going to have to do all of that again.

Starting point is 03:02:17 Do you want to have the small conversations again all the way to build up so that you can have the big conversations? Like, is that effort you actually want to go through at this time i was talking to you and every time i would be suspicious like okay yvonne yvonne and i do not have a prenuptial agreement do you know why because there was no money there were no assets like i've seen people talk about how like yvonne married him for the money or whatever i i it would have been the other way around at that time she had a much better outlook than i did when we got together you guys gotta you gotta understand that yeah and i was thinking about it could i ever trust another person the way that i trust yvonne like yvonne has complete power of attorney she has complete control of all of our

Starting point is 03:03:07 financial assets there are so many things that require only her signature and do you know how I sleep at night soundly like a f***ing baby sorry that one part happens before the sleep it doesn't matter the point is that you know what i'd probably be fine with yvonne having those things for me too she is extremely responsible reasonable person an absolute rock yeah and i was thinking about even if i met yvonne today could i trust her the way that i do honestly probably not probably not. Knowing about the dynamic. Yeah, no. Would I have a prenup?

Starting point is 03:03:48 Yeah, probably. Almost certainly. And I have always viewed that as a sign, and I've had the luxury of it because it never mattered when I formed this opinion, right? Yeah. But I always viewed the prenup as as planning for failure if i was if i was i understand yeah if you asked me again today because i was single

Starting point is 03:04:15 and and pursuing a long-term relationship i wouldn't i would say it's an insurance policy in case of a catastrophic disaster but I had the luxury of being allowed to be naive because I did manage to find a relationship where it wasn't necessary it was never needed

Starting point is 03:04:39 so the point is that I forget where we were going with this, but I saw a really great comment from Fox in a box on float plane, um, at Luke and Linus. I think as you guys just discussed, any issue can be overcome if both people are trying. And sometimes the effort alone is more important than any issue. And I just thought that was, uh, that was really wise. It's about what you built and you might have been able to build it

Starting point is 03:05:07 with a variety of people like there's the the whole like there's only one fish in the sea for you and they happen to be in your hometown is just hilarious no my thing my thing with yvonne is uh i don't believe in soulmates but yeah if i did then i'd buy it yeah if i did i'd believe you're it yeah yeah which is which is great you want to ideally find someone that you're like yeah this this could be if if that was true this person could be it there's like no way it's true but what really builds that is the the effort and the work that you put into it and this this like castle that you collaboratively build together um that is ideally you know strong we are not getting through all these merch messages no but i have some curated ones for you literally have 40 more than we did before we started that one nice um question for linus

Starting point is 03:06:04 how did you like the hydrafacial is it something you would recommend and will you be getting another one um i don't know you tell me so i've i've always been transparent to a fault so the hydrafacial was step one and then after that i did morphia 8 which which is three treatments of subdermal RF, essentially. And what it's meant to do is radiofrequency. Really? Yeah. So it essentially burns you.

Starting point is 03:06:33 I was going to say radiofrequency is like a joke. Oh, it hurts a lot. But what it's meant to do is damage the subdermal layer, whatever layer that is, in a way that stimulates collagen production which is essentially what makes your skin youthful you produce more of it when you're younger and as you age you produce less of it yeah so from my point of view and i've discussed this on the show before my mug is a business asset at a certain point and taking care of it like i'm i'm not i'm not into you know going out and dramatically altering my personal appearance but if there's pretty minor things that i can do to

Starting point is 03:07:12 maintain them as at least until we can you know go full uh vtuber um then i see it as a, I see it as a pretty worthwhile investment. So I guess my answer to that question is, I don't know if you guys tell me, uh, this is the first time, this was the first time I'd done anything. So, um, I have no idea. Yeah, I know. Um, I'm not really good with that stuff though i didn't notice when you first shaved your beard off yeah my aunt my aunt too she thought she thought i got a haircut which i technically i did yeah fair enough yeah yeah but she and my uncle they had dinner with me and they were like when they arrived home they were like home they were like they're great that's pretty good um black smoke rise says i haven't noticed anything at all i guess it's working then because that's kind of the point the point is that if you

Starting point is 03:08:18 if you do it right it's supposed to look like you've done nothing at all um you just look you know rested right um yeah so there you go that's uh that's it uh people mentioned your face was a bit redder than usual yeah so in some of the videos it's yeah it's redder than usual because i just got stabbed a thousand times in the face yeah which hurts by the way yes happen um however how bad in the vision pro uh well here give me a sec uh for the vision pro video uh it was the vision pro yes uh and any speculation that it was makeup or anything is silly uh it was just that it just doesn't fit me it doesn't fit me very well um i'd say here let's see oh it's really hard because it's like it's kind of like a hot it's kind of

Starting point is 03:09:07 like a hot pain but it's like kind of in the it's weird because each shot is i think 24 needles at a time but it feels like one and they were explaining it to me it's because like you only have so many nerves yeah and so multiple penetrations of the skin i almost blacked out uh last time because the first time you go the energy is pretty low and then they turn it up if you tolerate it well and the first time i tolerated it very well so i'm i'm a fainter um which means any time that my skin gets broken and i experience any kind of blood loss it's like a it's like a they're they're not sure exactly what causes it whether it's physiological or psychological or some combination of the two

Starting point is 03:09:49 um i ran into one nurse once who told me that um she wasn't one she got struck by lightning she became one uh but basically what happens is um and so so nurses or anyone who does um a blood drawing or injections or anything will be familiar with the term but um what it means is the second you uh your skin is broken your your body basically goes into a semi state of shock oh no where it focuses on maintaining circulation to your vital organs and so what happens is whenever I get blood drawn, uh, my extremities go like immediately, like immediately ice cold.

Starting point is 03:10:32 Um, and when I found this out, um, it was at a time when I was, I was in quite a compromised state. Like I was getting blood drawn because I was really sick. And, um,

Starting point is 03:10:44 this poor nurse, she must have been like 90 pounds soaking wet um she's she's trying to draw blood from me and one of the challenges is that they got to be in there forever because my blood stops flowing right so they take it from the arm and my body's all like yo you made a hole in my arm i'm gonna keep all the blood here thank you very much so my blood stops flowing um so she's on like the fourth vein in the second arm by this point because i had forgotten i hadn't had blood taken in a long time and i'd forgotten that when i was a kid i needed a butterfly needle because it's a smaller it's a smaller needle but with a with a wider uh inner diameter so they don't have to make as big of a hole and

Starting point is 03:11:25 the blood flows more easily they're more expensive so you have to ask for them um so i forgot that i needed a butterfly needle or else it's really difficult to draw blood for me but it had been 10 or 15 years since i'd had blood drawn so i didn't remember yeah um so anyway she's like she's going at it like perforating my arm with this regular needle i'm not able to get any freaking blood out of it and all of a sudden i kind of i'm like oh um i'd never blacked out before but i was like oh my vision's going kind of dark she goes you need to get your head between your legs right now because i cannot hold you in this chair it's just like tiny and i was in an elevated chair so that at a standing

Starting point is 03:12:06 height it was easy for her to work on my arm yeah right so yeah so i would have just plowed into the ground i would have broken my nose like we would have had blood everywhere uh never mind in the vials mission accomplished that actually doesn't work and so she was the one who explained it to me after i didn't black out that time uh but she explained it to me um and she basically goes yeah it's this it's this it's not a condition but it's it's a thing um and so she had me lie down and she took my blood that way we we got the butterfly needle and she's like okay so you need to remember this you need a butterfly needle you need to tell people when they're drawing blood from you that you're a fainter so that they can put you somewhere where you're not gonna where you're not gonna black out and like crush them um uh where where where was i going with this i forget the question

Starting point is 03:12:51 uh right so perforating my face no so in this case i was actually lying down but so i don't know if it was pain or if it was penetration uh because they can also go deeper do you bleed um like i had like it looked like i nicked myself with a razor in like two spots by the end of it so in general no yeah but you're red yeah i was just wondering like is it the blood loss or is it no it's not blood loss it's like i i i don't know they don't seem to really fully understand it okay uh but i almost blacked out i was like yo uh my vision's starting to darken. And she's like, whoa, okay, let me get you some chocolate. It's a fun side effect.

Starting point is 03:13:34 Yeah. Apparently, like Botox, it's pretty relatively common for people to black out. But with this one, she'd never seen it before. And she's like, oh, okay. Yeah, I'm like, okay, so I'm a fainter. I guess that applies to this. Good to know. I did blackout one time when a buddy for an insurance company

Starting point is 03:13:53 was taking blood from me at my house. And what I remember was me telling him, hey, I'm a fainter. I was in the chair. Yeah, I feel kind of faint. I'm just going gonna go over on that um i have like the it's called a love sack is the brand but it's like a big bean bag i'm gonna go over on that bean bag and um give me a sec and i closed my eyes and i opened them and he's like

Starting point is 03:14:19 you've been out for 10 minutes so um so that's a thing um not bryce says butterfly needle is a myth i'm a nurse uh blah blah blah blah something no it's not a myth i can tell you for an absolute fact that even if i am not looking they just can't get blood out of me without one so um that's cool i'm glad that you have that expertise. But as someone who actually cannot have blood taken from them with a regular needle, and this has been confirmed by multiple, multiple nurses and technicians over the years. Sorry. Yep. Okay, more merch messages one for me uh luke my birds kirby and carl finally like each other

Starting point is 03:15:15 enough to snuggle and groom each other what cool milestones have you hit with your birds one thing that i like i always enjoy this is uh learning to communicate with people or animals or whatever else with language barriers. Obviously, with animals, there's going to be language barriers. And learning habits and stuff. So my birds, for a long time there, if we'd let them out to fly to get them to go to bed, they have terrible night vision. So I would turn most of the lights down and use the glowing from my computer and stuff like that so that i could see um and i would catch the birds in the dark and then physically put them back in their cage and that was the like nighttime activity and they knew it was coming because they'd see me get up and start turning the lights off and they'd start

Starting point is 03:15:58 chirping and stuff um i started to try to teach them to get back in the cage themselves and i would do that by like physically blocking off the other areas that they were at. So sometimes they like to hang out just on top of the cage. So I'd wait for them to come back to on top of the cage. Then I would kind of dome my arms over to be like, look, I am blocking the flying up area. And then if they like indicated they were going to go to a certain side, I would shift over and block that and eventually try to like kind of corral them over towards the edge of the cage and then make it so that the the easiest way for them to fly would be to fly into the cage

Starting point is 03:16:36 and i this took a while to kind of train them to do but now at this point if if i just dome over the top of the cage like that they'll pretty much automatically just run to where the cage entrance is and then i don't even have to like do the rest of it they'll just hop off and fly into the door um and that was pretty something someone pointed out is that in different regions um there may be slightly different meanings so of what a butterfly needle is yeah so there are lots of different kinds and there's like it's the tape that goes on it that makes it a butterfly needle so here it means a particular thing it means a lower gauge that has a finer needle with uh sorry i shouldn't say lower gauge because lower

Starting point is 03:17:17 gauge is bigger but because i don't know imperial measurements um it means a finer needle that has a narrower wall um in order to make it easier to to get into the vein um your mileage may vary maybe they have like gigantic thick thick wall butterfly needles where you are and it won't help at all so then if you are in a similar situation then what you would ask for is just a finer gauge needle or whatever um so your mileage may vary all right uh greetings ltd greetings ltd some videos blur logos even on shirts why you work at media i was curious what decides if you have to pay a brand or the brand has to pay you to have logo and content um hold on i think for us it's more about that we're just kind of inconsistent okay yeah i mean there are cases where we're where we have a high level of intent when we

Starting point is 03:18:22 cover a logo with gaff tape or when we don't um if a brand sponsor of a video is like hey yo i'm masseuse and i sponsored your video and you're using an msi monitor look i'm not super mad because like we weren't promoting monitors but like could you have not really brother yeah then we'll go and we'll blur it um for monitors that we use on set a lot uh we try to kind of proactively just do it because like whatever um we get very very little product placement revenue uh occasionally we've done stuff on wanshow like i think that's the origin of these but secret lab then we just kept them then we just like keep them forever because like what i'm gonna i'm gonna tape over it yeah like that just it feels really transactional if someone does do a sponsorship or something and then the second it's over we're like i'm gonna put tape on it

Starting point is 03:19:16 it's tape day we're gonna spend money in order to yeah i don't know yeah in order in order to in order to get you less value for that deal that we did together like i don't know i'm just i i feel like i'm just not that petty if they want to update the chairs and pay us again or something like that like sure but yeah aj says i'm a fainter can confirm i need to ask for the butterfly needle and usually need to be slightly reclined yeah yeah i don't know sorry all right what else we got um i burned my curated oh man i'm for some reason i'm scrolled all the way down to archived we we have more than we had i um yeah have you seen uh so here's here's i mean some of these are just like meme like i can just click show yeah because they're just an incoming oh the ltd screwdriver has been made in the largest uh man-made mine shaft on earth apparently i accidentally clicked show on that

Starting point is 03:20:09 one been used in there yeah mine mine shaft hold on i i archived it by accident control f shaft oh there's a lot of shaft oh oh right because many of our items have shafts it's not in the message i get it oh oh there's a lot of shafts it's got to be one of the greatest linus quotes um okay uh did you see the star wars battlefront re-release have you seen this i'm kind of surprised this wasn't in the uses like six to eight times the storage of the original games and like there's all kinds of problems i have i'm sure it's happened before i've personally never seen something on steam you know we we saw with baldur's gate 3 had to insert it somehow the show was almost over um

Starting point is 03:20:54 we've seen with some games that they they get overwhelmingly positive this game i've never seen this before overwhelmingly negative reviews never seen it before amazing uh so yeah the the merch message says they released the pc game from 2005 on multiple systems or they really sorry it barely works and the original which is the same game runs much better that's a rip heck yeah charles l Heck yeah, Charles L. Amanda asks, Hey Linus, do you think that improvements in wafer yields by TSMC, for example, have contributed to the death of the entry-level segment

Starting point is 03:21:33 for both CPUs and GPUs? I don't think it's improvements in wafer yields. I think it's increases in cost. It's just not worth building anything around at such a low price point it's it's there's far better cost savings to be had by integrating things more versus building an entire discrete product like why would you build a 50 board around a 50 gpu when you can build a 60 board around a 100 gpu and sell that for 300 bucks you know like it's

Starting point is 03:22:05 just not worth it when you could take that small amount of diarrhea and just put it right onto a cpu and get essentially the same benefit because it already had to have a memory controller in cash anyway um i think it's more just the the general march towards more integration and less anything to do with TSMC's yields. Archive. Oh my gosh. Okay. How about five more? Does that seem reasonable?

Starting point is 03:22:35 Nope. Okay. You gotta do all of them. Okay. Christian asks, I got my mystery color screwdriver. Amazing colors. Love it. Compared to my black driver, the finish is not as perfect linus what were the compromises you

Starting point is 03:22:49 had to swallow and how hard was it for you we basically had to um yeah accept that the the flow of the uh of the plastic wouldn't quite be the same so if you look really closely at some of the color ones they have uh some swirl in the dye and in the color that is not present on the black ones and um that's the kind of thing you actually have to put a lot of work into to get exactly right i read a really interesting article about how the xbox series x they wanted to do it in white and realized um oh the only reason the black one looks good is because all of these swirls were hidden by the black color and they had to like completely redo the molds or something

Starting point is 03:23:29 like that in order to make a white one yeah it's it's a color is really really really really really really hard so i basically was just like well i want multicolored screwdrivers at ltx and we're gonna have them damn it so yeah there's there's some imperfections but they're really cool so whatever they're cool damn it i'm over it uh hey dan we're gonna do like four more and then we're just gonna have to call it because there's simply too much like guys this is what we're dealing with here okay we've got uh we've been live for four hours we've had 1600 merch,600 merch messages. Things have died down a little bit. We're only getting about one a minute. But you guys think about it.

Starting point is 03:24:07 By this point in the show, we've been down to zero a minute for quite some time. And we're chewing through them. Whereas now, it takes us more than a minute to do a curated merch message. Oh, good lord, it went up. They don't all go to curated. Yeah, but we also do a lot. It takes a lot more than a minute on average so i'm kind of fudging the numbers both ways there's also 1114 left in the queue to display yeah so that will show up when we go to the outro that'll be awesome

Starting point is 03:24:38 i'm excited about that i've been excited about that the whole show to be honest i keep thinking about it yeah because so exciting this is not i don't even know if this is the highest revenue and show we've ever done like when screwdriver launched and backpack launched i think it was higher revenue yeah but in terms of item quantity i think it's the highest for that i think this is also highest merch message yeah as well like this is ridiculous tax write-off shirts are over 2 000 now um oh my god dropout hoodies are over 500 i was not expecting dropout hoodies to catch up like that oh yeah a fantastic hoodie for less than most t-shirts uh this is actually a record huh this is a record all around nope nope are you sure yeah okay hold on let me double check yep it is not a record for profit

Starting point is 03:25:34 it is however a record for the inverse ah nice actually no no i'd, a record for the inverse. Ah, nice. Actually, no. No, I'd say the record for loss is probably the one where I cut into the bottom of the backpack. That was a very expensive win, show. Nothing's going to beat that, like ever. So good. Oh, man. All right. So what, like three or four more dan's ready for the super checks

Starting point is 03:26:06 after party stream already so which we need to get a couple more yeah i'm tired and you got places to be yep i'm scooting through is anyone i'm trying to find them um a lot of these are just like uh tax write off let's go oh oh oh yeah okay uh that's your like pack alarm no that's an alarm to do a thing when i thought i would definitely be at home tonight meanwhile you're not gonna be home for like at least an hour if not more nice um what is i got i got one i got one i got one i did it uh what is dan's okay i'll read the whole thing i got my bread plush also i want to expand on the question asked a couple weeks ago what is dan's favorite retro game oh man does this even count as retro playstation one this game called einhander by uh square before they were square enix it's a uh side scrolling space shooter thing

Starting point is 03:27:08 extremely difficult extremely complicated it has like seven levels or something like that you have ammo management you have weapon management you have placement management it's one of those games that you get hit once and you're you're dead and then there's no checkpoints you basically have to restart after you run out of lives um so extremely skill-based excellent so good so so good is is playstation 1 even retro the time that was like five years ago that came out glad you enjoy the tracksuit pants kevin g just ordered another pair of them and congrats on losing 20 pounds heck yeah keep it up brother good work uh yeah it's basically like uh square made toho that's a that's a good comparison bullet hell but also not it's like a tech bullet hell game great 10 out of 10

Starting point is 03:27:57 luke you are clicking things so fast i can't even read them you just want them all to scroll past yeah do they not scroll past if we don't click show i don't actually know i don't know i want them to scroll past no matter what uh okay i just and i actually i'm scanning to see like does this one have a question that's all i'm looking for if it doesn't have a question i just zoom uh someone asks what kind of screws am i supposed to use with these magnet things screws oh well they come with little screws but they also just like have a hole in the plate and you could put any screw you want into it so if you okay for example i used masonry screws when i um have you seen this no i don't think so my gate in my backyard so i screwed um

Starting point is 03:28:49 a uh i put a little strap across the uh or sorry i i put a little strap across the cable arch like one of the big ones and i put it on my gate and then i used masonry screws on the other side for the metal plates and i screwed them into like these bricks that are there so when it on my gate and then I used masonry screws on the other side for the metal plates and I screwed them into like these bricks that are there so when I open my gate my cable management arch holds it open everything else I tried like I would wedge stuff under it and the wind

Starting point is 03:29:15 just kind of rips through there and slams the gate shut but this holds so I'm very happy let's go man I'm just clicking show on things I'm clicking I'm clicking so hard David S says write off i'm rich oh man people are ordering so much stuff our 3pl is like screwed um yeah we already kind of answered that earlier so forget it um hi luke i applied for a software engineering role i'm curious does your team often hire u.s citizens thanks yeah but as contractors not employees yeah that's yeah that's the whole

Starting point is 03:30:12 thing yeah uh show you got anything luke come on i'm i'm scroll so many of these are like aussie here thanks for the free shipping I work I study I sleep the tired never leaves FPGA gaming school chase okay here how about this one I got one for you here Luke here's one for you while I continue to go through things okay oh you curated it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah uh oh uh this is a good one from travis hey dynast duke and oh glorious dan

Starting point is 03:30:55 leader of all what current product of yours do you think will get a v2 first what favorite product of mine i know the answer to this what oh wait it says current product damn i was gonna say wan hoodie v2 because it like happened already oh um v2 out of current products backpack no would you consider the costed down one a v2 no that's a separate product they'll coexist okay and like the backpack with the actual double layer and yeah no no that was 1.1 that one's fine yeah yeah um i was i was only saying that because of the the cost of down i mean we'd be crazy if we weren't examining based

Starting point is 03:31:37 on how many we've sold we'd be crazy if we weren't examining like a screwdriver v2 at some point but at some point come first yeah i don't i don't think that needs to come that's years away it's a really good screwdriver and there's nothing that out competes it so that we're gonna we're gonna continue to sell it and amortize the cost of development for as long as we uh as long as it makes sense um it's a really good screwdriver what would get a v2 i don't know i i could see us i could see us rejigging northern lights desk pad doing like kind of just an updated style but still you know northern lights but then there's so many opportunities for design like why not just do something entirely new too much of our stuff not that this is actually a problem i'm using the term too much as if that's bad but it's not a bad

Starting point is 03:32:21 thing too much of our stuff is like so overbuilt that like what are you gonna do well what do you got it right the first time yeah how are you gonna v2 this i don't know whatever how about towels v2 for towels can you make them more absorbent i don't know well we could update the design a little can they Are they flying carpets now? I don't know. Anyways, hey DLO, I'm about to graduate and need advice on joining the software engineering workforce. I've only ever been a tech sales consultant. And I have yet to give ideas for a side project. What should I do slash make? Oh, no. I know the answer what something you're really passionate about oh there you go something that says something about you the free one got him yeah got lots of updates on labs shane oh kids book

Starting point is 03:33:20 a v2 yeah i'm not gonna do a v2 why because i would write a different book yeah that's not a v2 no i would do the alphabet of gaming or something like that why don't you do it you have time sure sure write one on the plane oh yeah what do you just yeah right you're on vacation just write continue working what's wrong with you yvonne can drive to work and you can write it in the passenger seat i probably could write it on the plane a the fact the fact that the author of like basic kids books gets first billing and the illustrator goes second is a crime sarah put so much more work into the first book than i did yeah she did a great job yeah it's awesome um shea made me read i want my

Starting point is 03:34:14 hat back by john class and and it's changed my life i wish all kids books were that good um hey dll so excited to see the mystery color how do you all measure success in your lives outside of views on videos it's so deep it's so easy to just say happiness but there's so many elements that contribute to happiness. It's like, it's one of those things where people, I feel like it's such an out of touch thing for people to say when they say money doesn't buy happiness. Because it's true. There are lots of people with a lot of money who don't really seem very happy. They seem angry.

Starting point is 03:35:01 They seem depressed. They seem lost, you you know but for most people a lack of money yeah i think contributes significantly to unhappiness is a ton of people where money could solve the problems that are making them unhappy yes but there are also people that money could not solve the problems that make them unhappy but i think right now in our current economic climate there is significantly more people that money could not solve the problems or make them unhappy but i think right now in our current economic climate there is significantly more people that money could solve the problems so i think that i think if i was to say okay there's a measure of success i would say it's to have enough not i think i think too much of anything is bad this is in your lives

Starting point is 03:35:41 oh in our lives personally oh i mean well then i'm just gonna take the cop-out answers like relationships right like it's uh if i had if i had the fastest gaming pc in the world and no one to play games with what would it mean be worthless yeah for i i often oh sorry i thought you're done no no go ahead i often go on two things um i don't necessarily need everyone to like me but respective peers is very important to me um and then what is my like current there's there's like an overall assessment you can kind of do self-satisfaction yeah but not like in a smug way no um and it doesn't mean that you have to be the best it just means doing your best yeah and like how am i i set out these previous goals for myself am i making previous version of me proud am i setting up future version of me for success if these things

Starting point is 03:36:47 are true i'm probably gonna feel pretty good about myself doesn't have to be perfect but am i doing a good job and there's there's like little there's little things i'll try to do like if i you know i take the stairs when the next day comes if i'm, I'm tired and I want to default to the elevator, I'm like, well, previously I got myself over to the stairs. If yesterday me was able to do it today, me has got to be able to figure it out. And then that motivates me to get over to the stairs.

Starting point is 03:37:17 I don't know. Little things like that. I always tell my kids, like, I don't, are you trying your best? They know that there are two things that are going to set me off more than anything else.

Starting point is 03:37:32 It's if they lie to me and it's if they're not trying their best. Yeah. Um, and kids will do, kids will do that all the time. They'll, they'll, uh,

Starting point is 03:37:41 we, we went skiing, um, a couple of weekends ago and, we were going up a little hill and i my youngest i was like okay so do the do the skating thing because i saw her do it the previous weekend and she just went side to side we had a chat because i have no problem taking off my board grabbing it and hauling her up the hill i have no problem with that i'm i'm i'm happy i like it i'm a dad of course i like you know

Starting point is 03:38:17 carrying my little girl right but the fact that she didn't try if she tried and she was tired or if she tried and you know there was a problem with her binding or whatever yeah no problem swooping in i'd love to help yeah but if she's going to to my face not do her best to me it's like it's it's essentially the same thing it's not being honest to me it's not being honest to yourself it's not um it's not respectable i guess to your point um yeah fortunately she's still a little kid and uh i think she's she's getting a lot better which is which is good this is the absolute best time for her to figure that stuff out.

Starting point is 03:39:07 Yeah. Yeah, whatever. Not something to dwell on. Okay. What? Why do I even read Twitch chat? Hey, what would be really cool is a very thin undershirt with long sleeves with thumb hooks so you could wear your uniform over it and gloves on your hands.

Starting point is 03:39:27 So when you pick up a very gross person, you don't have to worry about their stuff getting on your arms, but also breathable. Good luck. It sounds like someone who's like a firefighter. Yeah. Or something like that. That sounds like a very specialized piece of equipment and not the sort of

Starting point is 03:39:42 thing that we're likely to have on LTT store. Sounds cool though. Also good luck. Yeah. Okay one more. Pick a good one Luke. There's so many just like throwaway ones. It's crazy.

Starting point is 03:39:58 And mine, I have mine only loading 75 so that it performs super fast. I went for the performance option. It's not loading all of them. Well, I was reading one that I thought was pretty good and then it just jumped. Oh,

Starting point is 03:40:14 here's a good one. Jeff M asks, what do you think is the most important piece of equipment to not skimp on when getting into YouTube, not including the computer? Also, if you don't answer this, does it become a write-off? We'll never know never know um i'd say the most important thing is a microphone

Starting point is 03:40:28 got him yeah he was so ready did you see how ready he was i was incredibly ready he was like i was so physically ready emotionally ready psychologically ready spiritually ready all of them every part of him was ready he was sexually ready yeah and i am sexually ready for us to see you again next week same bad time same bad channel we're gonna see you floaters anyone subscribe to float plane we'll see you guys on the after party we're play some super checks yes good night bye oh my god it almost broke it oh it looks like it's lagging and it's like oh my god that was insane that was sick i love it i can't believe how much stuff we sold at a loss it's the

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