The WAN Show - TikTok Is a Restaurant Now... - WAN Show December 17, 2021

Episode Date: December 20, 2021

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Keep chasing it. Drive your ambition. Mitsubishi Motors. Welcome to the WAN Show, ladies and gentlemen. We've got a fantastic show for you all today. Lots of good topics to talk about this week. Dell has built upon Framework's framework and is showing off their Project Luna concept laptop.

It's supposed to be more reusable, repairable, resustainable. Resustainable, yes. Recyclable, that's the one. So we're going to be talking about that. What else we got? Intel is working on, no, it's boring.

HDMI 2.0 has been hdmi 2.1 this whole time it was all like boom mask reveal if it wasn't for these darn kids we would have known it's not a ghost it's hdmi 2.1 all right speaking of i don't know tiktok is opening 300 virtual restaurants. Is this a metaverse thing? Is this a Mr. Beast thing? Only time will tell. Okay.

Also, Microsoft, along with, was it Dell? Yeah. Microsoft leans further into right to repair as well. We talked about this, sort of. We talked about how they were thinking about it in the past. Now there's more action. That would be good. Very cool. And EK Waterblocks is sponsoring the show today.

How fun is that? Why don't we jump right into our headline topic of the day. TikTok is apparently opening up 300 virtual restaurants. So if you're not familiar with the concept of a ghost restaurant, basically it's a network of oftentimes completely unrelated kitchens. And sometimes they're commercial kitchens. Sometimes they're operating commercially as kitchens with recipes that are standardized across the menu of whatever the sort of the virtual brand of restaurant is, and that unlock the ability for these sort of virtual food brands to deliver their food sort of overnight across a very, very large area. Say, for example, you example, the entire continental US. So what you do is you come up with the restaurants that you want to serve.

You presumably sign some kind of deal partnering with a network of ghost kitchens, and you launch your restaurant. Obviously, nobody would be able to come in and eat at a Mr. Beast diner as it stands right now. Linus Tech treats. Linus Tech treats. Dog treats or something? Not bad. Cat treats?

I kind of like it. Obviously, you wouldn't be able to eat at an actual Mr. Beast restaurant, for example. But you could invest in branding for delivery vehicles in order to make it, you know, feel more like a, like a restaurant order experience. You could just, you know, use regular skip the dishes or Uber Eats and, and make it all just completely all takeout, you know, all, oh man, I'm, I'm missing the, whatever, all app-based delivery services. And as long as you figure out a way to control the quality of the food, then it's a pretty cool way to, A, build a brand, build a food brand, build a loyal audience.

But, B, also provide some support for an industry that has actually been suffering. The food industry has been suffering, although I would make the argument that a big part of why the food service industry is suffering is because of app-based delivery. People who take out via app do not buy things like alcohol, especially because in a lot of areas that's not actually allowed. So a lot of what they make margin on is not happening. And the apps take monster cuts. A lot of what they lose money on,

like packing materials is amplified. They're not obviously gonna get tipped in the same way because the tips when you order through an app are gonna go to typically the driver is my understanding, not the actual people who work at the restaurant. So there's a lot of challenges with all this, but it is apparently happening, and the newest virtual restaurateur is apparently TikTok. They teamed up with Virtual Dining Concepts to create these ghost restaurants.

These are the same company that worked on the Mr. Beast restaurants, one of which is actually becoming a brick and mortar location. What a wild- The Mr. Beast one, yeah. What a wild time to be alive. Isn't that amazing? You could go to an actual YouTuber restaurant.

But think of it, it's just more content. There's no way he's not gonna film the launch. You're not wrong. I mean, you know what? It's a matter of time before we do a land center yeah like 100 yeah how could we possibly fail at that business how how badly could i possibly up that's how to not manage to run a successful land that's where you sell the in-person merch and how much content would we get out of like creating a land center yeah like it's it's one of those things that's been on my list for ages.

Just honestly, I could go rent some commercial property tomorrow. Be like, OK, we're creating Linus LAN Tips LLC. L-L-T-L-L-C. It rolls off the tongue you know you you serve even if you can't get an alcohol license

which is notoriously difficult here in the Vancouver area even if you can't get an alcohol license you just do you do energy drinks you do snacks

you do all that kind of stuff you charge people by the hour you just you create a premium experience because honestly every LAN center I've ever been to, other than maybe that cool gaming hotel,

has just been kind of crap. And I think there's room to do so much better. Like just don't cheap out. Make sure that every machine in the building has whatever the latest hot game is. Have it on there, have it licensed. If people have their own account, by all means sign into it. But these are problems that can absolutely be overcome

and i think that people will pay extra for a premium experience i think that that's something we could absolutely do um land center with vr stations yeah absolutely flea owner something that i i would love to to have going is something you and i've always talked about is like lands have gotten kind of lame since i guess uh internet and social services and whatnot have all become more common because like now you go to a land and everyone's just like sitting on some mmo or facebook or i mean that happened a long time ago oh yeah for sure okay but before then it was way cooler just saying because everyone would play the same game. Because what are you going to do?

How do I say this without offending our entire audience? The problem with LAN gaming is gamers. Yeah. There's nothing about old school gaming or modern gaming that couldn't equally be adapted to the LAN party environment. The problem is that in order for a party to be fun, people have to participate. And gamers have, and I feel like this is something that has been exacerbated by modern gaming, but gamers tend to enjoy things that are within their comfort zone i think that is a

fair generalization it's obviously not true about everyone but it's definitely a tendency within the gaming community for a land to work better you kind of need something that almost no one has played or they haven't played since the last time you guys land together so another thing that gamers do is they tend to have like like a main game or a handful of main games. Yeah, for sure. So you've got two problems here. You've got people that like their main game and you've got this hesitancy to try something new in a lot of cases. Especially if it's something where you're not going to have fun because you're not going to be able to perform up to the level that other

people at the LAN are are going to be able to because that's their main game so what you need in order to have a like the best LAN gaming experiences I ever had were the ones where there were like clear games masters yes in charge yeah that would, okay, we're doing a free for all scrimmage match. Everybody go, okay, I'm making teams. I'm rebalancing the teams. I'm doing this. I'm doing that. I'm creating a structure to this. I'm sorry. Is that World of Warcraft on your computer? Turn it off or leave because there are 16 of us which means that it's eight versus eight not eight versus seven and we're playing this game right now that'd be sweet and that's actually exactly what i was getting into is like the the disjointed nature of like three people actually

playing a game together while 16 people sit there sucks and if everyone actually just plays together it's basically always fun all my favorite memories are very similar we used to have like a whiteboard and we'd make like the old school version of a challenge thing where you build your own ladder and you make little teams and you you play halo where you have like one team is in the garage playing on a couch out there and one team's inside and you're yelling at each other the whole time and stuff and it's awesome but everyone has to be involved for it to be awesome. Absolutely.

And it's like, okay. Okay. You're like, that's not your favorite game. Fine. Suck it up. Because then I will play not my favorite game, but that is your favorite game. And we can both get to have a fun experience instead of both of us just sitting here something doing something we could have done in our basements at home yes i would personally i am not motivated to go to a

land center if there's a land center locally i would not go but if they had events yes it's yes it's so good it's halo one night i'm in it's quake three night i'm in it's midtown madness two cops and robbers night i've never even really heard of that but i'm in it's quake three night i'm in it's midtown madness two cops and robbers night i've never even really heard of that but i'm in yeah it's worms night sweet whatever yeah right like it all sounds great we're having a six hour worms armageddon tournament if i know people are gonna be like hyped up and we're gonna have some fun i don't care if i've ever played it before i heard of it i'm in let's go you know what didn't mean to press it you're also sort of um how do i put this you're you're also sort of i think taking for granted that you're really good at games like you will pick up a game that you've never played and we have kind of we

luke and i have kind of this uh this skill curve where i tend to be better at it immediately, like for the first maybe 20 minutes, and then past about that point, Luke is almost immediately way better at it than me forever. That's just how it is. I feel like we're decently even in Towerfall. Yeah, but I've played it a lot more than you. This is what I'm talking about. I genuinely didn't know that.

I mean, I've played it with my kids. So I haven't played against someone who could really challenge me. This is before my son got good enough to actually... Dude, he won like a few times last time we played. In fairness, I was really not at my best. I was not on it either. So, you know what? But.

But still. Is a W a W or is it something other than a W? It's still a W. A W is a W. And he fought for it and he earned it 100%. He did. He did. He played to win.

That kid plays to win. Yeah. I worry sometimes that like the hyper competitive nature of that particular child of mine is going to something. It'll something will happen. Uh, day horse said not an entire center dedicated to this, but definitely a dedicated game night section of the Landon center would be

cool. Uh, it's like, yeah, screw it. No. Yeah. That's the whole point.

Yeah. That's the entire point. It literally seeing one person just seated. I'm going to go away from the mic. I'm sorry. Seeing one person seated like this on Facebook just kills the whole thing. Kills the vibe. You got to have everyone engaged.

Kills the vibe. It actually matters to have everyone that's there engaged. True Scots. Like, Carmageddon was great, especially when you messed around with the config on the server and made people's cars bounce off the sky or like, exactly. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about.

I love it. So that's my big problem with LAN parties. And I don't remember how I got on this subject. Ah, yes, right. I would love to open up a LAN center, but it would only be fun if I could do it my way, where you do it my way where yeah it's you do it my way honestly i think if you didn't do it your way i well it might do okay because it's a tide

tied to yeah this but like if it wasn't tied to this i think it would just die okay hold on a second man it would be like the sweaty nerd equivalent of like an exclusive nightclub yeah that would be so cool yeah because i because whether people know it or not they would show up having you know especially like younger younger kids okay like you're 15 you're 18 or whatever right you have never experienced what LAN gaming was like in the early 2000s. You were literally not born yet. It's totally different.

It's totally different. You come in thinking, oh, I just want to go like somewhere where they have a high-end computer and I can play my game at like high FPS. You end up getting drawn into like whatever this weird tournament we're doing is or whatever. You're going to want to come back

because it's not like anything else we used to play like at lands at outpost we used to play weird games too because of huge goal was making sure no one had really played it so like robot unicorn attack was like some weird flash game that we played that ended up like being a total hit because it was really like kind of twitchy and reaction time fun. Yeah. And we'd like put it up on a projector and everyone would like, there was this weird song that played in the background. So people would start like singing it and get really hyped up. Like it's, oh man.

Here's one that I would bring in. Unfortunately, I've probably played it too much to actually participate, but it's called Liero. Liero. Liero. Liero. It's worms, but real time. And you can play multiplayer split screen. Awesome.

And basically, you just, you have all these different weapons. It is extremely easy to accidentally suicide the F out of yourself. You've got a hookshot, so you can kind of get around that way. Oh, nice. Okay. So you can see he just set a bomb that just created some space. You've got to tunnel around.

So you tunnel by going back and forth really quickly on the left and right button. It is so much fun. But there's always a solution, too. So, like, you're saying, oh, I played this too much. You can just position yourself as, like, the final boss. That's true you can actually you can handicap in this game uh so you can just set yourself to have like almost no health so you have to like get right in and assassinate whoever's playing right now is absolutely terrible and i would play with my friends uh in mr mccloskey's portable during lunch uh we were we we got to the point where it was like kind of kind of ridiculous actually it's so good my understanding is that it was actually re because the source code was lost

for this game at some point or another and then somebody went back and tried to remake it um i i don't guys i'm real rusty i'm real rusty on all the details but man having a liero night would be freaking amazing you'd have all these people that have like no idea what they're doing going and just absolutely exploding themselves with chiquita bombs so good you can also like so good if you want to you could make prizes but you can make them like really weird i don't know if i've ever told you about it but when i used to host lands back at uvic yeah we gave out bananas oh that's fun if you won you won a banana so i'd like go buy a bushel of bananas before land night and then just like

enjoy your snack gamer yeah victory snack yeah all right so back to tiktok's thing which is actually sort of boring news um they're gonna make a restaurant i mean that really was that really was the whole thing i just wanted to talk about how cool it would be to run a land center. Also, there is other TikTok news. What's the whole what's the whole thing? Oh, never mind. Apparently, there's more crap about this. So you'll be able to order tasty, trending TikTok dishes like tomato feta pasta and other assorted viral dishes directly to your door. That is actually a really cool concept. The menu will change on a quarterly basis, and it will include some of the platform's biggest food trends.

So the initial batch will feature the aforementioned baked feta pasta, which Google says was the most searched dish of 2021, as well as a smash burger and pasta chips. And they're going to start with 300 locations with the plan to expand to more than a thousand by the end of 2022 they say they'll give a cut of the profits from the venture to the creators of the recipes that is going to be difficult to validate who created the recipe the one who comes up with like mostly the recipe or the one who adds like a bit of cilantro to it um that oh my yeah get derivatives real um as well as burgeoning food creators on the

platform however they did yeah they didn't clarify how they're going to determine the true creator of the dish so uh good luck with that now we have a discussion topic from colin if you were to start a tiktok food trend what would your dish be you can't say cereal he knew i was gonna say cereal i would love to have my own cereal it would be linus tech bits or something like that oh man quick bits would be such a fun quick bit cereal i feel like quick bits would almost be like like microwave porridge or something microwave porridge okay i can't say microwave porridge because i don't think you can describe cereal as quick. I mean, it's pretty quick.

But it's all the same speed. Do you know what I mean? Like cereal as the concept is quick. You're dodging the question. What's the question? The question is, what would be your TikTok food trend? Oh, sorry. I've been focused on merch messages.

People are going ham. Okay, well, I can go first. Yeah. Okay. And this, i don't think this would ever be trendy so i'm going to pivot and i'm going to talk about one of the weirdest snacks that i ever ate regularly oh nice i got a few of those so one of my thing one of the things that my mom would do when i was growing up is she would sit at the dining room table with her

newspaper because that's the era that i grew up in uh she would sit at the dining room table with her newspaper in her house coat, and she would sit and consume an entire head of iceberg lettuce. It's just crunchy. It's satisfying. Sure. Okay. So I would, you know, I was a young boy, and I was like, oh, mom's eating lettuce.

Okay, I'm going to go pick at some of her lettuce. And then she got, like, defensive about it because, like, it's her lettuce. And she's like, actually, this is my lettuce. So obviously that made me want it so much more. Because if I could have a tasty snack while also bothering my mother, then that's like A plus primo. Yeah. Gamer moves. And one day I was like, ah, you know what?

Like it just doesn't really, you know, it doesn't taste like anything. It's got a great texture. I love the texture of iceberg lettuce. I don't know why I did it. But I like dipped it's got a great texture i love love the texture of iceberg lettuce i don't know why i did it but i like dipped it in soy sauce and for like probably a year after that that was my snack i would sit and i would consume like i would sit and consume like half of a head of iceberg lettuce just like a little bit just like dipped in a little bit of soy sauce so you got like this crunchy salty snack and as far as as far as health goes i mean it's a heck of a lot better than sitting and eating potato chips sure you're certainly consuming probably more sodium than is optimal yeah but on lettuce instead of on you know a fried potato yeah. Yeah. So no one ever really stopped me.

It didn't bother anyone. So I would just consume these copious amounts of lettuce with soy sauce. And that was my snack. So my weirdest one was I used to just eat black olives out of the can, straight out of the can. Oh, that's not even weird to me. No.

That's like, man, that don't impress me much. My favorite thing to make, like if it's like a Saturday and I'm hungry, even now, and I've been doing it since I was very young, is I get a, I don't know why, it's a blueberry bagel. I'm fairly certain that's just all we had in the house at the time. Yeah. And I've just never changed it because I like it and I see no reason to change it. Sure. But blueberry bagel with not too much i find a lot of people way too much but just a little bit of mayonnaise mayonnaise on a bagel some bacon a lot of lettuce and that's it

with peach juice it's really good huh i don't think either of these is going to be a viral sensation no no no one else has ever been interested in that but i love it huh okay what i do like making that could be uh more interesting to people is inverted chicken cordon bleu i've probably told you about so cheese on the outside cheese and uh prosciutto and basil interesting so you do how do you prosciutto yeah it's it the cooking pro i used to do it um on early date nights when i'd have a girl over and then i would cook it in person because it was really impressive because the process of cooking it was like it worked really well you can say it's as cringy as you want but that that was highly successful let me confess something that you might not realize

i don't have a lot of moves with the ladies well there's a move dude not that i'm gonna need it that's fair that's fair i don't have a lot of moves with the ladies. Well, there's a move, dude. Not that I'm going to need it. That's fair. That's fair. I don't have a lot of moves with the ladies. So I have no context whatsoever for what's a good move and what's a bad move. But if you say wrapping a hunk of chicken in ham and cheese and frying it is a move, in ham and cheese and frying it is a move,

then I think I can say with complete confidence, I will never understand women and I give up. I usually like roast some cashews with it and make some asparagus and like do other stuff as well. Like it was like a full, it wasn't just like one piece of chicken on a plate. It was a full meal, but yeah, it was good. Are their standards really that low? Do guys suck that much?

I think kind of, yeah. That's that impressive? I think no one, I think very few, not no one, very few guys cook. So you show like, yeah, I can cook. I can do that. You can cook like two things. Yeah, and they're really good. And I guess that's all you really need on a first date.

I think it's three. So take that back. you really need on a first date i think it's three so take that back are two of the three things some form of chicken no are all three of the things some form of chicken nope nope i'm going purely unique okay yeah all right yeah ken k says guys suck that much yes yeah we just it makes it really easy to show off so you might as well actually do it that's i think part of the problem is that guys will be like oh that's lowbrow i'm just gonna do nothing which is not better okay oh man right. What is our next topic here? Oh, speaking of cringe, HDMI 2.0 has been HDMI 2.1 this whole time. Surprise. This was posted by Sounds on the forum,

and basically, we are no longer going to use the term HDMIdmi 2.0 uh i love this summary from sounds is this is this the headline oh no this is just actually from sounds a new display from xiaomi the xiaomi fast lcd monitor 24.5 inch 240 hertz version sets a new low for the industry. Oh man, this is amazing. So first there was USB 3. Okay, do you guys remember this? Then there was USB 3.1 Gen 1, where USB 3.0 was just renamed.

Okay, so the 5 gigabit USB went from USB 3 to USB 3.1 Gen 1, and then the 10 gigabit one became USB 3.1 Gen 2. Okay. Then, this is great, USB 3.0 became USB 3.2 gen 1 um these are like huge like revisions these are huge naming revisions that are hugely confusing uh because functionally in terms of performance for the end user they have not changed but we are retroactively renaming these old things like years, years down the line in a way that makes it really difficult to compare newer products against older ones. And let's say, for example, that, you know, USB 3.2 includes new aspects of the standard, right? Let's say it has new functionality

or new protections or whatever else. If you go and you rename it so that all the newer products coming out now that are branded with this name are not quite the same as the old ones or you make certain parts of the spec optional, right? And then you just retroactively say, oh, well, those older ones,

they were just produced without optional elements of the spec. You are doing nothing but confusing consumers. So pretty much everyone with a brain between their ears looked at what USB was doing and went, wow, that's really stupid. Because it's really hard to understand what anybody is talking about that's one of the reasons that i typically will just say usb 3 5 gigabit because i don't think i don't think most people even tech enthusiasts can keep track of all the different nomenclatures that have been used for usb 3 5 gigabit over the years yeah like even okay don't look down name them all three 3.1 gen 1 3.2 gen 1 okay but you looked at it i did okay fine unprompted with that i think i

would have forgot 3.1 gen 1 yeah fair enough so i don't know so it's super confusing whereas if i just said usb 3 5 gigabit would you know what I'm talking about? Easy. Yeah. Okay. Oh, right. That thing. Way better.

Yeah. And if I said USB 3.10 gigabit. Easy. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah. So everyone with a brain said, hey, that's really stupid. You need to stop doing that. And everyone without a brain, so HDMI, basically said, hey, that seems really great.

That's awesome. HDMI basically said, hey, that seems really great. And this came to light after TFT Central noticed the specs of a Xiaomi fast LCD monitor 240 hertz that said that the HDMI 2.1 ports, okay, had this asterisk on them that says, due to the subdivision of HDMI certification standards, HDMI 2.1 is divided into TMDS. The bandwidth is equivalent to the original HDMI 2.0 and FRL protocols. The HDMI 2.1 interface of this product supports the TMDS protocol. So the maximum supportive resolution is 1920 by 1080, and the maximum refresh rate is 240 hertz. Now, HDMI 2.1 has a lot of features, many of which are optional, that are not just more bandwidth, right?

Like HDMI 2.1 is a more complicated lady, okay okay than just going way faster so you've also got e-arc okay so you've got enhanced audio return channel you've got support for auto low latency mode okay you've got support for variable refresh rate this is actually baked into the spec now and these are things that were available on hdmi 2.0 products in the past, but the way that we thought of it was that that was an HDMI 2.0 port that implements features that are optional on 2.0, but that would be included on HDMI 2.1. And that's fine.

Having something that exists at a lower tier of the standard, but that implements optional features of a higher tier or a future tier, that's cool. Because that means that if you buy it, you are at worst getting more than what you bargained for, more than what you anticipated. But I think that because we have generally thought of HDMI as going up a generation or up a number when the overall bandwidth increases and we can run at a higher resolution or a higher refresh rate, to change those rules now is extremely misleading. In response to both TFT Central and The Verge,

HDMI.org confirmed that devices can no longer be certified as 2.0, and features of HDMI 2.0 are now a subset of 2.1, and all the new fancy features and capabilities of 2.1, apparently including running at higher bandwidth, are now in fact optional. entire bandwidth are now in fact optional this puts the onus on manufacturers to somehow outline what their hdmi 2.1 ports are capable of in a way that is glanceable which is basically not going to happen not a thing not going to happen if i'm if i'm an hp or a lenovo or apple or dell or whatever because laptops are where you are really going to get screwed over right now. If I'm one of those guys, am I going to be like, yeah. Okay, okay. I'm going to tell someone all the limitations of my product.

Apple was under fire for this recently, right? With their M1 MacBooks, right? Where they've got, it's like, oh man, I really wish it wasn't HDMI 2.0 because HDMI 2.0 has capabilities like being able to run 4k 120 hertz or sorry hdmi 2.0 is lacking capabilities like running 4k 120 hertz that hdmi 2.1 has and that might be nice to have not technically okay but used to have yeah that i used to be

able to say that yeah so if i was Apple, do I jump on this? I go, oh, this is sick. We got HDMI 2.1 now up in here. Upgrade. And on this laptop, you can run two 5K displays and one 4K display plus the internal display. Is that how I spec my laptop? 100%.

And as a consumer, I'm now gonna have to figure out later that in order to run those high resolution or high refresh rate displays, I'm gonna have to use a f***ing dongle. No, what I had wanted to do was use the HDMI port that you put on the product. I wanted to have them,

you said it was HDMI 2.1. This will cause confusion. Oh, yeah. And to be clear, Apple is far from the only one that is going to take advantage of this. It's just an easy example. Yeah, anyone who's using,

like who's trying to get rid of old stock or is, you know, shipping a laptop that has an integrated GPU that doesn't have support for what used to be the standard formerly known as HDMI 2.1. They're absolutely going to take advantage of this. And it's going to be so hard to comparison shop devices. So hard to comparison shop devices.

If I want to know at a glance- That's why we need labs. What the benefit is of, you know, the $450 Chromebook versus the $389 Chromebook. And both of them say HDMI 2.1. And I go buy the cheaper one. And I find out that, okay, maybe there's no real reason on a device like that to run 4K 120 Hertz.

But if I find out for whatever reason that it can't do it i'm gonna be choked because maybe i would have spent the extra 60 bucks i mean there's people that want smoothness of desktop experiences absolutely and like that it could absolutely or just like ultra fine resolutions yeah right yeah i'm i i'm so i'm so frustrated. Oh, okay. Jonathan Horst prepared this one, apparently. Discussion question.

I can hear it in his voice. Why do these standards bodies keep renaming established standards? Do they... He wrote it like a script, yeah. Do they not have to ever explain to their families why their TV isn't working as advertised? See, you bought an HDMI 2.1 cable that doesn't support variable refresh rate, so you need to go buy one that does.

Okay, the cable... Oh, my God. Are you going to be able to have an HDMI 2.1 certified cable that doesn't do whatever the, like, encoding bitrate, whatever, bandwidth... No! the like encoding bit rate whatever bandwidth no okay does this bring back the the weird shady premium cable market labs is the solution yeah we're just gonna have approved cables approved devices we are going to actually have to just outright reject like so part of the goal of labs is that we want to create our own spec sheet for a product we want to basically take what the manufacturer says and without without all

the overhead of reading a review necessarily i think I think we're going to editorialize in the video content that accompanies a device. But without all of that, the at-a-glance is we want to create a new spec sheet, a better spec sheet. So we'll take the manufacturer spec sheet that says RTX 3080. And we're going to say, oh, yeah, right. But what thermal envelope does it actually run in um how loud does it get when it does that um and we want to find a way to make it glanceable right so that you can look at one of these devices and you can go okay okay, thank goodness. I can finally actually compare this stuff. And so, you know, I thought that something like IO

was going to be relatively straightforward. USB 3 was going to be as simple as how many gigabits the port is. USB 3, however many gigabits times however many, et cetera. Now, HDMI, all of a sudden, we're going to have to start doing it in like gigabit per second. It's that simple. That's what we're going to have to do.

Yeah. It has an HDMI 18 point whatever, HDMI 2.1 gigabit per second maximum. Hopefully DisplayPort doesn't do this crap. Please don't. 48 gigabits per second maximum hopefully display port doesn't do this crap please don't 48 gigabits per second right so you'll just say hdmi 48 gbps do we give like some form of award or stamp or something to a product that is very well communicated i don't think so i don't want to i that's you know it's funny it's funny you bring it up because awards are something that I have always avoided. And the reason I've avoided it is because I don't believe the story of any product is

as simple as a gold stamp. I don't even, it could be like, I don't know, iron colored. Because all it is, all the, the only thing i would want it to say is that it lived up to the specs that it claimed i don't want it to say that it's a good product i don't want to say that you should buy it it's just they said it would do these things and it does good job yeah i think having like uh like a like a bs like a smell test like a bs rating of you know a b or c yeah or d for like a fail it's probably how good it is if it's recommended whatever that could be all on the the video side right that's

for ltd that's for short circuit that's for whoever they can try to communicate those things labs just goes like they didn't lie good job yeah i could see something like that and i don't maybe it's maybe it's dumb i just i know there's there's a lot of products that kind of bs about stuff especially in their like amazon product name you know so i don't know you know what we should do sponsors yeah no bs here thanks to fresh books for sponsoring today's show fresh books is an easy to use accounting software that helps you do your business impress clients with a professional looking invoice that details the work you've done. Use automated payment reminders if invoices get past due.

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Yep. Oh, we also have one other big bit of news. LTT Store, as you guys may or may not have noticed, has a new product. This is the indoor hoodie. Cold basement. Here's your solution. It's priced pretty aggressively, $49.99.

Where did my little carousel navigation-y thing go? Oh, no. Okay, everything is terrible. It's very comfortable. The fabric feels very nice. Yeah, so it's meant to be kind of like just a cozy. A little lounger. Yeah, I'm not going outside.

I'm not going to be out in the rain, snow, sleet, or hail, or whatever else. I just want something comfy to throw on, something in between, like a thicker hoodie and a long sleeve light shirt um just kind of keep you keep you a little bit warm when you're sitting still and gaming for hours at a time it's available in two colors this and this gray and dark aqua apparently that's what we're calling them uh so luke and i are wearing both of them. 100% coverage. Okay. That is not... That might be too much caboose. Look at that. Look at that booty.

I had to, like, make sure that was you before I said that. Because if it's me, it's, like, not sexual harassment? Yeah. Okay. You're fine with it. Wow. Canceled in three two one here we go boys oh man okay so uh there you go it's uh it's a thing that you guys can uh you guys can go check out lttstore.com and let's move on to our next topic here i was pretty sure i decided i want to talk

about the dell luna concept laptop this is super cool here's dell's blog post and uh the the i think the title here says it all pushing the boundaries of sustainable pc design concept luna sort of well we'll talk about that in a little bit more detail full disclosure before we jump into this topic i am an investor in framework laptops who is also striving to make a more repairable more sustainable laptop and actually has a product so that's something i reached out to dell and i have i have asked now multiple times to get hands on with this thing because I am extremely interested. I want to cover it. I want to talk about it.

And the answer has been categorically no. We will not give you any hands on with this, which leads me to believe that it may not be as far along as I would like it to be. I am still really excited about a lot of the stuff that they're talking about here. So it was designed in collaboration with Intel and has a focus on eco-friendliness and repairability. How, you might ask? All right, let's get you through that. So first is reducing the carbon footprint of the product through manufacturing changes,

like reducing the size of the motherboard by 75%. Okay, yeah, but the trend towards smaller motherboards because they're just trying to make thinner laptops has been a thing for a long time. And reducing component counts by 20%. Dell claims this could reduce the carbon footprint of the motherboard by 50%. Yeah, that seems pretty reasonable. Using less materials, definitely a plus.

This is cool. Moving the motherboard to the display portion of the laptop, which would put it closer to the outside of the chassis and improve heat dissipation. Now, it's very clear from hearing that, that this is not the kind of product that would be in the performance tier. This would be something that would be in more like a B2B, a Chromebook sort of class of product. If you're expecting to presumably passively cool it. And if you're going to have light enough components that the whole thing isn't going to tip over like a lot of the convertibles that we saw over the years.

Batteries with advanced deep cycle cells. This one I'm really interested in because if we could have batteries that lasted longer, obviously that's gonna be a freaking plus. Stamped aluminum construction to minimize scrap. This is something that I have been, man, I've been very torn about over the years. I don't know if I've really talked about it,

but machined like one unibody aluminum chassis, which Apple famously popularized back with man what what generation would that have been sorry i don't remember off the top of my head but i don't know if apple is the first to do it but boy were they ever the first to do it well when they released their first unibody mac with basically the keyboard side down and then the whole thing is just machined out giving it this rigidity that we just hadn't seen before like those things were they were such a game changer right the problem is that all that aluminum yeah you just you remove it from this block of aluminum to create what is essentially an empty shell and you're you're utterly shredding it which

well yeah okay yes you can you can melt it back down and you can you can create a new block of aluminum out of the shreds but there's there's a lot of overhead there's a lot of energy involved in that process and it's not that simple um so switching to stamped aluminum presuming that they can still keep excellent structural rigidity could be an excellent way to not create as much scrap aluminum they've got fewer layers in the display and then when we get into reusing repairing and recycling they want to reduce the number of screws in the device from hundreds to just four for more convenience and shorter repair times sure and they've designed a new pcb made with flax fiber in the base and water soluble polymer as glue allowing recyclers to more easily separate metal and components that is super cool

forgive me if i turn my nose up i have not watched watched Lewis Rossman's video yet. And maybe I'm well out of turn here. Oh, did Rossman make a video already? Apparently there is one. Someone in the chat mentioned that there is one. Of course he did. Yeah. But I just, I don't know. TLDRS, guys, TLDRS.

Yeah, let us know what he has to say. But I don't see anything on here about replacement parts But I don't see anything on here about replacement parts. I don't see anything on here about schematics. I don't see anything on here that has anything to do with sustainability other than things that would immediately save them money. Which is great. If you can do both, if you can save yourself money and be more sustainable for the environment.

And it really raises the question why you didn't do it already. Why weren't you doing this already? But Dell has done things in the past. Dell has had laptops with swappable CPUs. Dell has had laptops with huge panels on the bottom where you can swap out a very large amount of things. Maybe it's not as swappable or maintainable as a framework laptop,

but there was genuinely like, you could swap the CPU, you could swap the RAM, you could swap the drives. And they had these panels, this was really common back then, they had these panels that would show a symbol for the thing that was under it so they'd have like this is the RAM panel it's one screw to remove that and you know what now that they're down to four screws that sounds great that's cool but this really is like I feel like

it's a it's a far from far. I think that's fair. Something that we haven't talked about enough is there are actually conventional or like traditional laptop manufacturers that are doing a way better job than sort of I think someone like an Apple is at this point. I don't think they're at the point where they provide actual schematics for their main boards,

but HP has excellent resources that anyone can access that includes tear down guides for many of their laptops. I don't know if it includes all their consumer stuff, but I know that a lot of their business stuff does have resources like that available. Again, I don't know how well they archive it. But I think that what Dell is what Dell is doing here here's my most positive spin on it what Dell is doing here is they are joining the conversation yeah and this is a really

important conversation I feel like they're listening from outside the door we need to not yeah but the thing is we need to not be one of those communities that says you know what you're not a good enough ally you should ally better so i think what we should do is we should take every ally we can get and applaud everything that they do that is good while continuing to call out everything they do that is suspect. So I want to see, like you said, I want to see, yeah, availability of schematics. I want to see a commitment to that. I want to see a commitment like Framework has made to allowing these motherboards to live a new life in a thin and light chassis as a desktop, right? So I want to see that too. I want to see more. I want to see hands-on with it.

I want to know if this is a science fair project. It feels like it. Okay, so I do agree with you. I just, reading this, it really does feel like a science fair project. And without schematics and without replacement parts, honestly, a lot of the things that they did to make it more environmentally friendly,

which is cool and good, sounds like it's going to hurt its longevity as a product. They sound like things that could result in the bricking or death of the device quicker and more easily. And if it's not easier to repair alongside that, then this might not even reduce waste. Yeah.

So like, I'm really not sold. I, I appreciate that they're trying, but like, I feel like there's some really big things missing here. And the fact that they're not letting anyone see it, there's no schematics,

whatever is like, is this even a thing? Like, I, I, I, I want to see more. I'm definitely,

I'm open to the conversation if dell pushes this forward if they do schematics if they hopefully um if they hopefully announce that they're oh we're going to do some replacement like actually going to do this instead of just like oh we're going to try to transition by 2030 yeah then that's awesome heck yes you don't have to do it exactly the same way that framework does sure if you get part of the way there that's still really cool but i'm not necessarily even convinced this is part of the way there like straight up just reading this this purely just sounds like a really cheap to manufacture low-end laptop yeah that they are luckily able to say sustainable which is cool

but i'm not even convinced of that because a lot of the things that they're talking about make it sound like it's gonna get damaged really easily which is concerning when it's not more repairable so i i don't know so that's fair maybe i'm totally out to lunch hopefully i am honestly i mean yeah so just to be clear guys dell isn't committing to release this tomorrow. This is a concept. If anything, this is the kind of thing that they're saying, hey, maybe in the next 10 years. But again, back to not wanting to crap on someone who is at least drawing attention to this problem. True.

Dell could have easily just kept their mouth shut. Yeah. Because drawing attention to this, making people think about, you know, sustainability in laptops. Like here, let's do a little exercise. I have not done this. Sustainable laptop. Okay, what am I going to find?

Oh, good. Dell bought an ad. I'm going to find leafscore.com. I have no idea what the heck leafscore.com is. Okay, it's all Dell stuff. Oh, for crying out loud. It feels like marketing for a very cheap to manufacture laptop. Okay, so the only thing other than Dell,

we've got an HP buyer's guide, and we've got a framework article. Framework Sustainable DIY. So Dell could have just kept their mouths shut and they could have just focused on products that they're actually selling, right? Because on the one hand, yes, they're creating positive headlines for their company and for their brand.

But on the other hand, they're creating all of those positive headlines for something that generates them literally zero revenue. The only other option the only options on this page to actually buy anything are an hp sustainability shopping guide that as far as i can tell is just a bunch of specter laptops like this this is just a product page um yeah uh okay they're energy star certified sure all right hp uh or an article about the framework so out of things you can actually buy zero of them are dell so we shouldn't discourage dell from talking about this stuff we want them to

we want them to talk about it we want them to make people aware of it. All right. So that's the deal with Project Luna. Oh, actually, there's a couple of discussion topics here from our new writer who hasn't passed probation yet. Which of these features would you most like to see implemented into your laptop is one of the discussion topics. And maybe more importantly, Dell has eschewed investigating the upgradability aspect that is a core part of frameworks design

philosophy why do you think that is does easy upgradability perhaps encourage consumer wastefulness should people not just buy exactly what they need at the time if they're able to rather than taking a module out and putting a new module that's not what they need at the time if they're able to, rather than taking a module out and putting a new module in. How do you know that's not what they're doing? Consumers? Yeah. Well, I think if your sales pitch is, hey, you know, buy this and then like, you know,

add stuff to it later and then chuck that other stuff. It depends. As long as there's a clear, as long as there's a clear ongoing purpose for that thing that you're getting rid of, or if there's like a downstream use for it, like, okay, my Ura ring, for example, I just upgraded to the Gen 3. And for the Gen 2, because I mean, it's like sized to you, right? Like there's the odds of you knowing someone who will fit exactly the same ring size. I mean, they're not zero, but they're also not

infinitely large. They've got a program where they will send you a prepaid shipping label. You just chuck your Gen 2 ring in a box and then they donate it to programs that are doing like sleep and activity monitoring studies and stuff like that. So they've created this clear downstream purpose for it. That sounds really cool. That makes me feel like, okay, yeah, I'm upgrading for a feature that quite frankly, I don't really need. That sounds really cool. That makes me feel like, okay, yeah, I'm upgrading for a feature that quite frankly, I don't really need. But as long as that other one will continue to be used and will continue to sort of contribute in some meaningful way, then I'm content with that. So I don't want framework to fall into a trap where they're like, oh, yeah, you know, just buy the entry level one today. So we're essentially manufacturing scrap and then throw away the pieces as you upgrade it later.

Like those types of messages do exist and I don't want that to be it. I'm not saying they're doing that now at all. Yeah. But I'm saying that upgradability is not just obviously the answer. It's not necessarily a good thing. I think if, and this might be an absolute pipe dream probably is

to be very clear but i think if there was somehow standards to certain components within you know how like ram yep right if that was spread out a little bit further to more components sure then you could end up with places like free geek just having a bunch of components for laptops and they can rebuild things together yeah for sure yeah i could see that as long as there's like heavy uniqueness within laptops which has been a thing forever um yeah it's tough gonna be pretty hard yeah it's pretty tough so good luck um meanwhile microsoft want to talk us through this one uh sure sorry there's merch messages are going ham so maybe yeah i'm on it i'm on it uh microsoft leans further into right to repair we got another one of these topics

microsoft is teaming up with ifixit ifixit's pro independent repairers uh microsoft authorized service providers microsoft experience centers and microsoft commercial customers can now purchase official service tools for surface devices directly from iFixit. Not available directly to consumers. I'm surprised iFixit greenlit that. Me too. I skimmed this topic. I did not read that one bullet point.

And that lifts a pretty heavy eyebrow. But maybe eventually. and that lifts a pretty heavy eyebrow, but maybe eventually. Three custom tools along with weights and accessories will be designed by Microsoft and manufactured by iFixit. Interesting. They're primarily for debonding and rebonding

of materials for select Microsoft Surface models. Not necessary to perform the repairs, but should be helpful to ensure they're done without error, which they're very prone to when you're doing that type of repair. I added that little thing at the end. Discussion question. Should the standard instead

be that you should be able to take most items apart without specialized tools like this? Yes. It's a step in the right direction, but home users can't buy it, and now repair shops need to buy more specialty tools. It's also very odd that it's designed by microsoft and manufactured by ifixit it sounds like microsoft is trying to buy approval

i'm not trying to be negative nancy guy today but like what the heck this is really weird so one thing i might say is if we look at the timeline for when Microsoft said they would do their investigation into repairability and now this is quick at least they're doing something oh yeah the fact that it's happening this one I will absolutely give them the like the fact that it's happening at all is a positive

I will totally give them that it's just really weird I don't know why they don't make it available to everyone Microsoft can absolutely manufacture things themselves. I'm not saying iFixit is great. I have nothing negative to say about iFixit. Yeah, well, I mean, this is something. Like, they're complicit now.

So, in my opinion... They're complicit in it not being available to consumers. They're complicit in it not being available to consumers they're they're they're complicit in it not just being generally available yeah um i and i suspect this is kind of a fraught political issue over at microsoft right now this is purely speculation this is purely my personal suspicion but when we bent the bottom of our surface pro whatever the last laptop uh surface laptop pro surface laptop number whatever it is so i can never keep track of their their model names they're very confusing um anyway when we bent the bottom

lid of it we contacted microsoft we said hey we'd like to just buy a lid and it was part partly it was a test it was like hey are you gonna like make parts available in case something gets damaged because it happens and they were like no that is absolutely not a thing that is available under any circumstances not even to you and i was like oh good we're off to a good start here um now i i i sent a follow-up email i was like hey okay well you know hopefully you know you guys aren't too frustrated by you know what it was partially our fault that we we damaged it you know we we're not like trying to destroy your product that's not the kind of channel we are we are we're not tech racks that's not our jam right um i straight up never got a reply just nothing i'm like oh okay well um

cool you know if we have to buy microsoft products to tear them apart in the future then we'll do that but hopefully we can hopefully we're still cool um yeah i just uh yeah i don't i don't like that ifixit is profiting from a program that restricts inherently restricts access to the tools they're profiting from. And I'd be way cooler with it if they were like, you know what? We're just getting manufacturing spun up. We don't have enough for everyone.

We're starting with commercial customers first. It's going to be available more open later. There's also the conversation at least because iFixit has basically come out and said, look, Microsoft stuff is like, it's basically repairabilityability score zero yeah you should not try to repair this yeah so if they came out and they said well here's the thing microsoft's current crop of products honestly only pros should be repairing these things we are working hard to create a well-equipped network of pros but we're working with microsoft

where future products will be way better look i'm saying it could be a situation where at least they're doing what they can do now i don't like that this creates a very significant conflict of interest though yeah and i don't like it it ain't a little one i don't like like you can give people warnings but i don't like stopping people from shankering that's always been a bit of a pet peeve yeah okay so i don't think pushing the incoming ones that timed out is working is there do you have any way of it's not i don't think so they don't they don't move maybe they work for you uh what's our next next topic here though there's actually a few sort of little things that we don't have like a full thing written out for but um hunter ap in the floatplane chat was asking hey linus and luke

did you hear about tiktok's studio live apparently using obs code yeah i i i knew they were using well the second that it came out that they had streaming software i was like oh so they're using obs i didn't even like think about it i also didn't realize they were using it illegally until we were sitting down here so i don't have a lot of information on it but could obs just catch a break yeah really at some point i feel like everyone's just trolling them at this point like should we should we release should we release linus yeah yeah yeah ltobs lttobs just be and then it's just there's like nothing changed except for this black and orange yeah when they contact us with a cease and desist we'll just be like yeah we were just kidding guys sorry just redirect it

to their site like here we felt like you needed a w so we went in we were rude and then you can just you guys can you can tweet about how you like shut it down yeah just we'll do a logan paul jake paul we'll make a fake fight yeah exactly we'll have beef it up We'll have beef. Hype it up. We'll have internet beef. Yeah, nice. And then you guys can big deal win. Yeah. Zitharian says, OBS needs to close their source if they don't want people using it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No.

OBS needs to be what they are. They need to continue to be the awesome open source projects they are. Because if they weren't open source anymore, they'd really need to change the name. That's what the o is um and but people need to just respect the license of their open source product it's that simple uh gamer inc on twitter said poor obs is like the smart kid everyone wants for the group project who just does all the work. That's pretty good. Yeah. You know what?

Maybe we should just like, can you donate to OBS? Maybe I'll just donate to OBS right now. Why don't we, why don't we send a donation? How the heck do you, how the heck do you send a donation to OBS? Contribute. Here it is. Okay. Patreon.

Can I just like, okay. Via PayPal. I apparently can just, I apparently can just send okay via paypal i apparently can just i apparently can just send money via paypal okay oh my my wife uh has the paypal uh 2fa so i'm gonna do it later but i'm i'm i'm pledging i'm pledging a thousand dollars to opia obs because I feel like OBS has had a month here. And we have been using them for years at this point. Yeah, okay. Okay, $1,000 to OBS.

You know what? I'm actually just going to send it to the accounting department instead of my wife. Hey, good. Yeah, because that's easier. Then she won't have to deal with that. Okay. We're just going to do this. Okay, cool. Sorry, won't have to deal with that yeah okay okay we're just gonna we're just gonna do this okay cool sorry i just have to do this before i forget otherwise i'll

forget and i don't want to be that person that's like yeah i'm gonna like donate something and then i don't do it but it's not because i was malicious because um all right let's go ahead and gizmodo this is the funniest thing i've read on gizmodo ever oh so hey those anti-5g radiation are actually radioactive. How much? Not very. Because like bananas are radioactive. Not very. Very low,

but if worn continuously, apparently could cause prolonged. So according to the Netherlands Authority for Nuclear for nuclear safety and radiation protection anvs the levels of ionizing radiation detected are low and the risk is very small but they are potentially harmful to anyone wearing the product for an extended period of time and they specifically mentioned red skin as a potential symptom of prolonged exposure oh my goodness imagine buying snake oil drinking it and being like oh what snake oil's not good for human consumption i don't feel so good mr stark how on earth could this completely unregulated quack medicine cottage industry have possibly caused

any kinds of health problems i mean at least if you're just wearing amethysts you're not actively harming yourself yeah yeah you're just or if you you know a whole bunch of pounds of it in your computer like like it's it's a good thing at least if someone's wearing like you know a big amethyst like head shield you can see them and be like you know what we probably have nothing in common i can just stay away and it's gonna be okay everyone's gonna be fine in this scenario you can 100 not genuinely doesn't bother anyone yeah oh man it's just it's just terrible gizmodo gizmodo uh i clone yeah you gotta head over there have a read through the whole article we didn't do any prep on this one we're just kind of pointing you at that uh did you want to talk about log4j at all or you just don't want to talk about i think it's been a little beat to death if you care about it at all this week but what it's something that

i think i might be able to add to the conversation i don't think necessarily everyone's talking about uh is that if you had a server or service or whatever that had issues with apache log4j you should look into the concept or idea that someone could have used that vulnerability already in a way that you don't necessarily know and they could exploit that vulnerability with backdoors or something further down the line we are very very far from done uh in regards to talking about the impact of the log4j issues because they are going to spring up later i can pretty much guarantee it because people are seeding things right now that they will exploit later when they want to. So be careful.

And if you're on a big team, you need to look into the potentials of these vulnerabilities being exploited already. And if you're on a small team, it's genuinely not a bad idea to go into attack defense mode now to try to find it. So be aware. don't get caught um because just because things feel fine right now it's very likely that they won't be also uh be careful with patching uh fixes into things that are very very very new and were created very very very quickly because the uh the first fix for log4j had other vulnerabilities in it so i mean what's your solution to that though what are you supposed to do not patch it there's there's potentially other things that you can do like not using it um but but also also just being hyper aware because

it it yeah it allows people to connect and do bad things so just i hope you enjoy the overtime i don't know yeah that's about it this just don't think it's over and if you if you work somewhere and they're like oh yeah we applied the patch it's good we're good you're not good and don't think that it's over all right uh timo's merch message is hilarious uh you guys will see this in a second but i'm gonna put it up there i ruined christmas i was about to place an order when the so came running in all me she had already bought a whole heap of ltd swag for me for christmas i ruined the surprise well i wanted more love you guys and all your vids keep Keep up the, I don't know, and then it cuts off,

but picked up the indoor hoodie in gray. So enjoy, enjoy. I did want to talk about the Dislike Restorer extension. So you guys might have noticed that YouTube removed full API access to their Dislike counter on, I believe it was the 12th, which means that any new videos do not have an actual reported by YouTube Dislike counter. However, if you've got the Dislike Restorer extension,

you might have noticed that you didn't notice anything. That's because over the last i mean since youtube made the announcement apparently something like five billion videos dislike counters were backed up and are still accessible through the extension so that if i were to click on something like this um oh is this sasha baron co? What's this character? Bruno. Bruno. Bruno character. I could see that the like-dislike ratio on this video is actually very good and is probably quality because it's Sacha Baron Cohen, which I know already because it's Sacha Baron Cohen. But also, it's got a 99% like-dislike ratio, which to be clear, is not the only signal that you should look at, but if it's got 4.7 million views,

it has a high like to view ratio and has a high like to dislike ratio, it probably saves me the trouble of scrolling down to the comment section to see a possibly curated comment section and try to sift through that to figure out if the video is worth my one minute and 36 seconds or not um and what's really cool is they are actually using what little they have of publicly available cues to attempt to keep some semblance of a dislike counter along with some kind of hopefully indicator of its hopefully accuracy yeah uh based on users of the extension disliking so between users of the extension using it things like like to view ratios um hopefully in the future at some point they could also examine comment sentiment or look for comments with tons of upvotes that are like dislike

in order to restore dislike functionality. So I don't typically come out and endorse a browser extension. Because the thing about browser extensions is that they could be doing all kinds of nefarious tracking. Especially if they're monitoring your youtube watch history i mean think about how valuable that data is to google you think it's not valuable to

someone else so i'm not going to endorse it but i will tell you guys that i intend to use it me too so yeah cool i feel the same way about browser extensions but yeah definitely and youtube youtube in my opinion is way like astronomically less usable without it like i i my satisfaction with using youtube went up astronomically after installing the extension and i i i know that this dislike counter is not going to be completely accurate but i didn't use it as some kind of like like god's honest truth the quality of the video that's not how i used it indication i used it as as an indicator and so if it's at least accurate enough to give me some indication then honestly it's as useful as the dislike counter ever was anyway and i am so far pretty pleased with it. Here's an MKBHD video that's behind the scenes of the blind smartphone camera test on there.

The studio kind of behind the scenes channel with a 2200 to 15 like to dislike ratio. You know what? That's probably about right. Probably. Might end up with a few more because you never know someone might be a big fan of some phone that marquez was like actually i didn't think this one was that great uh or whatever right i haven't i haven't watched the video so i don't know exactly how the thing went down or what someone might get butthurt about but marquez

almost never dips into 95% like dislike ratio territory. So if it indicated something like that, I'd watch the video. I'd go in, I'd watch, I'd be like, okay, what's going on here? Did he do something hyper offensive? Like did he, you know, do a sponsored video for not a Tesla again or something like that? Like that was a time that his community reacted quite strongly to a video that he made. It's one of the only examples I can think of. So I'd be looking for something really unusual.

And if there wasn't something like that, then I would look at this and I'd go, okay, this is probably not working. But this looks about right. He's got a community that is dialed in. And generally speaking, the quality of the content is, well, it's the reason that these guys are dialed in. And generally speaking, the quality of the content is, well, it's the reason that these guys are dialed in, right? So this passes my sniff test anyway.

Yeah, and I mean, there's a bunch of different ones, but return YouTube dislike or return to youtubedislike.com, their source is up on GitHub. Okay, so return YouTube dislike is the one that I'm using. Yeah, yeah. As far as my understanding goes, the main one, and you can see all their source, sources up on github so okay so return you to dislike is the one that i'm using yeah yeah as

far as my understanding goes the main one and you can see all their source it's it's all foss everything's everything's all good and if we get enough people using it then we will actually have and and if we actively engage with the like and dislike buttons which is something that i've actually never really been motivated to do before i do it now but if we actively engage with the like and dislike buttons and we all use this extension, which I am not endorsing, then we basically have all the same functionality

that we had before and YouTube. Yeah. Yeah. Seriously. Like, yeah. I actively dislike things significantly more now than I did in the past and creators are getting that information so neato so everyone wins i guess neato i wonder how many downloads this

extension has millions yeah i would think so i know it's million plus i think i think for extensions it stops counting there okay i'm not certain well here let's find like a let's search like btt better twitch tv uh man better twitch okay why can i not i got it up already it says four million plus so there's more for that okay we're on your screen four million plus okay so uh oh wait your screen capture is not working well we're sitting in the dark cool well it says yeah it says 4 million plus users on better ttv and then if i go back to um rising from the ashes says it won't work on mobile though that's what youtube's pushing i mean that's that's fair enough um yeah at at least if I, I mean, really,

I think when I'm just browsing on mobile is not when it matters to me as much. Yeah. Although sometimes it does. Like a lot of the time I'll be trying to follow like a repair guide or something like that on my phone and I'll like have it next to me. So no, I shouldn't say that.

Okay, it still sucks. It does. It still sucks. And if YouTube could just do their job, then that would be better. Yes. But if someone else can't do their job as well but at least makes it so that i can go run to my desktop or my laptop and darn cool figure out what video i'm gonna watch on my phone load it up on my phone

and then go do it like fine at least there's a workaround that i shouldn't need but that i have it would be possible oh my goodness that would be horrible there's a way it would suck but there's a way that you could make it work 100 well other than like remoting into a desktop like no you could so uh yeah this would be horrible you could have like a a screen recorder that watches your screen and reads the title and then normalizes titles and, and like puts information on top. Man, that's an app that would have some scary permissions.

Oh yeah. You'd have to literally be watching your whole screen. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's, I don't think a lot of people, you could like, you can have it so that you open YouTube through that app.

So when you press that app, it opens up YouTube and turns the screen recorder on so that it's not always there. Um, yeah, press that app it opens up youtube and turns the screen recorder on so that it's not always there um it's like a rough idea all i'm saying is it could work sorry i just punched the mic um yeah i i also i have a bit of a weird use case but i often don't trust the random guide for doing whatever i want to do on youtube right away even with dislikes. So I'll usually browse as quickly as I can on my desktop and then find the one I want to watch and then open it on my phone and go. So personally, it works pretty well for me,

but I realize not everyone does it that way. Hold on a second. What is happening here? Why not just URLs? Because you're watching it in an app. You're watching it in the YouTube app. If you're watching it in an app you're watching it in the youtube app if you're watching it through a browser then you would just do it normally right uh i think it's time for us to do some merch messages what do you think

uh yeah heck yeah all right um do you want to do you want to uh okay so did we figure out what's happening with the ones that we're supposed to be able to push, but they're not working? No, they pushed. I'm pretty sure, for me. Really? Okay, so if I click it, it doesn't do it, though. I think it works for me.

Oh, interesting. Okay. Where is that? Just the incoming ones. There's a ton of incoming ones for me. Do okay where is that uh just the incoming ones there's like a ton of incoming ones for me or do they not appear for you okay then neat so i just need to go through the curated ones something's funky yeah yeah oh ken all right been a fan for a long time i was a guild mate of tyler sion. I still miss him every day.

Trust me, man. We miss him too. I mean, you can, you can hire someone to fill a job, but you can't replace someone like that. It's not, um,

it's just never, it's never going to be the same. It's not something it's not. I shouldn't say it's not something I never thought about. It is something that I thought about. I remember talking to you about that weird dream I had where Ed died, and then we got a statue and we put it in his chair because it was basically the same thing because he never talked to anyone anyway.

And it was like I woke up and I was like, wow, that was a super weird experience. It's something I thought about. It's something that I didn't really like. With a team that was so young and overall healthy it's not something that i expected that we'd ever have to deal with and it was an absolute shock yeah for us i still have um around that time i was working with tyler on a new inventory system which actually we just launched with a lot of his guidance um very very recently and people seem to like it, so that's very cool. But I have, I asked him if I could screen record those calls

because honestly, when you're discussing what someone wants from a piece of software, it's often easier to just have their original words because things can get lost in translation and stuff. And I have those, like I backed them up and everything, but I still have them on my local system and I didn't rename the files. So every once in a while, when I'm like looking for a video to test and upload with on,

on a float plane, I'll like accidentally open that. And then I hear him talk and I get big sad punched in the gut a little bit, but yeah. For those of you who are joining us late, Tyler was one of the members of our team who unfortunately, uh, passed away very, very unexpectedly, um, leaving us leaving a pretty,

a pretty big hole. Um, yeah, here. Um, is the Memorial stream still up somewhere? I actually don't know. I don't know.

Yeah. I'm not sure. I mean mean it was one of those things where it was like really it was yeah you know what i would rather move on at this point yeah yep let's uh okay uh vinae um anyway he was great that's that's what i have to say about that vinae uh hey guys long time viewer first time caller tomorrow is my 25th birthday could i get a shout out happy birthday venae also my beanie gets fuzzy and i think it shrank when i washed it uh anything i can do to prevent it on the next one oh okay so fuzzy i'm a little confused by because i wash mine regularly i have not had that issue um

you should contact support. Maybe there's something wrong with yours, or it could be something about your, uh, your washing machine like there or your dryer there, there can be, uh, there can be aspects of those devices that can make it more likely for your clothes to pill as for the shrinking, just wear it. It'll, it'll stretch out again every time. and then when you wash it again it will shrink again and it's like fine like this one i put on this morning and it was like crazy tight and now it's totally back to normal um so if you just wear it for a day or maybe two uh it'll probably get completely back to normal as far as size goes if you ever have any issue with a product though you should absolutely contact support they don't get you sorted out uh what else we got now jacob love

the merch message ideas could you make a water bottle and shirt with the northern lights design i need it on more lt merch it's probably not a bad idea actually northern lights water bottle we could even just do it as like limited edition or something like that i don't know if we do it as a shirt i think the shirt could be okay yeah but i don't have see that's the thing i don't i want us to push forward rather than just find something that works and keep doing it and so that's one of the things that i think actually makes life more interesting for our designers i don't want their job to be to just find something that we know people like and keep recycling it.

And so it means we make more mistakes, but I think it means that we're doing things that are more fresh as well. That's my opinion. I think my one argument would be that it doesn't feel, I guess it is sort of recycling, but making it available for the first time ever on a wearable product

doesn't seem like you're milking it too much. think about it yeah i don't know i'll think about it yeah i'll think about it uh yeah the water bottle is a pretty pretty cool idea um theodore d says got the mini and couch size cpu pillows in a previous purchase i remember there was talk of a thread ripper size pillow pillow. Should I go get it? Yeah, sure. I can keep going. All right. Yeah.

For Joseph E., the Fold 3, check out the video on the Oppo Find N on ShortCircuit. I talked about a lot of my thoughts. I'm not going to do the follow-up full review on the Fold 3 because I talked really about my main thoughts in that video. There's some in here that Linus should probably address, so I'll skip those. We'll come back to those. One of them from Christopher R. How is Linux working for Luke now for work? Funny story. Linus is laughing because I was venting to him. Only Linus and the floatplane guys know this story because the floatplane guys are very very uh in tune with it because I was huffing and puffing about this earlier this week but um so I don't think I actually necessarily told people what distro I've been using on my laptop

I just told people I was running Linux on my laptop and uh the distro that I was running was Ubuntu I liked it for the most part but um it felt a little laggy. Certain things felt like they took a while to load. To be fair, that laptop is a little jank and getting a little old. So it might not have been Ubuntu's fault, to be very clear. But I had Mint on a flash drive and I had been thinking for a while, like, you know, I wanted to try out Ubuntu because a lot of people recommended it. And I know like Mint is based on it. They're very highly related, et cetera. But a lot of the differences, I'm not necessarily that into. I wanted to definitely give Gnome 3 a chance, all that kind of stuff. But ultimately, I'm not really that into it. I liked what I already had.

No offense to Ubuntu or Gnome 3 or anything like that. I just liked the familiarity of what I had already been working with. So I'd already been thinking about going to mint. Then I came into work and I've been having this shoulder problem. That's been really bad. I've been going to physio for it. I was playing badminton every week. And then, uh, I lost a lot of my range of motion. I can like barely even reach behind my back. Um, I tried to prove to Linus and Yvonne that it was getting better when I was at their place one night, reach behind my back and we all heard my shoulder sound like it went through a cement mixer. Just crunch. And I was like, well, there goes a lot of progress.

So the shoulder tightness and muscle pain and whatnot has been spreading to kind of like my neck and my upper back a little bit as well. I come into work and my monitor that normally when I sit down in office, I have my laptop and the screen is really low. And usually down there, it's just like the music, whatever I'm listening to. And then I have a monitor above and that's where I actually do all my work. But it wasn't working for some reason. I tried a few steps to diagnose it, but like I got stuff to do. I can't sit here and diagnose my laptop all day. So I'm working down like this and my neck really starts to hurt so i'm like oh whatever i have mint here anyways i've been thinking about it's only gonna take like five ten minutes to get it set up whatever i install that and it works the external monitor works great things are good i'm working

along doing whatever while it's updating in the background and then just suddenly boop gone i don't know what update did it it It was not the graphics driver. I know that much. So I have no idea what kicked it off again. But again, I'm sitting here stuck looking down at just my little laptop screen, which is not a good work experience, especially when I'm having these muscle problems. So then I installed Windows.

Can I just jump in and say that when I laughed, it wasn't because I'm some kind of Microsoft simp or something like that. I am absolutely well aware that they are flawed. They have flaws. I mean, I've spent a fair bit of my time being very frustrated with Microsoft over the Halo crashes that I've been experiencing.

It's a lot better now that I disabled the HD texture pack. It's still not perfect. No. And it's not... Actually, okay. So I should say I haven't crashed since then, but the experience of gaming is still terrible. There was a two-day period

where I played probably somewhere between 8 and 12 matches. I can't remember exactly. I think two or three of them were actually 4v4 oh because people keep leaving because well no because people keep crashing that too well some of it is because people are chasing the challenges oh that i didn't know so if they jump into like uh say here's an interesting one you have to grapple shot five people some maps don't have the grapple shot. So they'll just drop. So they'll just leave. Brutal.

So anyways, I installed Windows and yes. Okay, I didn't even realize that. Yeah. I mean, to be clear, I don't think that's most of it for me because a lot of them would disappear like just mid-match randomly. Like we'd be winning and someone would just leave. so i'm assuming that's probably a crash we were i think a lot of people don't know that the texture pack like makes you crash like we were crushing an oddball match 4v4 and then ended up losing 3v4 yeah that sucks like having almost won it we were at like 90 points or

whatever i forget what it's up to i think it's up to 100 it's up to 100 and then it was like 90 to 20 that hurts and then it just completely turned out i was like what is going on why is this one of them's gone and that's a very like acidic way to lose it just sucks it's such a terrible gaming experience yeah so i'm just laughing because i just think it's funny that everything is trash and and and what really sucks like is like yes i got the monitor working i was able to work for the rest of the day also like i said it took five or ten minutes to get going on mint it took a long time to get going on windows takes five or ten minutes to get through the like just the setup wizard at this point and microsoft and uh and windows oh

and there's just some like like okay log in get my 2fa hey wait a second we're setting up well then what were you doing before yes what were you doing when you were installing and why do we have to do all these these yes or no's before it and you're doing all this stuff why is it that when i'm dropped on the desktop i still have to install chipset drivers how many companies make cpus at this point you can't just you do not have intel's phone number you can't be like hey sup intel could we maybe just have your driver be part of like it just installs maybe update windows like it just gets the latest one maybe not some garbage generic ancient one or just maybe never at all how about we just install it what do you think of that does that sound cool is that cool with you guys like i just

i just i can't fathom it you know and stuff like that that's been you know 20 26 years later or whatever since windows 95 how are we still right clicking on a yellow exclamation mark in device manager in order to install a driver for something that should never happen yeah and like so okay especially clarify it should never happen on an utterly mainstream like and paid for whatever the asus you know 130 140 dollar motherboard with whatever the core i7 of the day is and some nvidia or amd current gpu you should not need to do that you should not need to pay the operating system device manager i installed it with legit license just saying yeah and like so installing mint and then windows back to back was an incredibly frustrating

experience because mint has the like first launch experience window that shows up after you install you can just close it if you want it doesn't matter and it has a bunch of options you can configure and that's actually really nice because you go through the list and it's a lot of reasonable things that you would do when you first turn on a computer i want to make sure my graphics driver is correct i want to update the rest of my drivers i want to configure how my windows look i want to do these types of things great that'll make sense exercises things like that yeah yeah mic. Yeah. Yeah, Microsoft, how did they not? You know what's funny is they used to have personalization stuff as part of that whole process.

Yeah. They probably realized it was way too long, and instead of cutting garbage like telemetry and just not having it maybe, they cut all the stuff that you actually care about. I'm pretty sure Vista prompted you for your color scheme. Do you want targeted ads or untargeted ads? We're going to have ads no matter what in your paid operating system.

Like, oh my goodness, I was so cheese. And then, honestly, not having the package manager, which I've become used to on my laptop, made setting up Slack and Teams and all the teams you have to get anyways, but whatever. It made setting up all these other things that I needed take longer. 100%. So the whole process just took forever and then i'm just cheesed that i'm on windows because honestly at this point the user experience on my laptop on windows is worse but the screen worked and like i'm sure someone's like well i know that problem you have to fix it by doing these various things that's cool i really needed to get work done

like really badly and i did a few really quick searches on how to potentially fix it didn't work i didn't have time to just sit there and diagnose my screen the whole day i had work to do yeah so at a certain point i just have to do the work i don't know i need to add this to the labs doc um conrad just posted the Xbox Series X has ads for companies like McDonald's on the front page. And it reminded me of the Amazon TV that we made a video about recently, where on your home screen of the TV,

it was like, I forget if it was 40% ads or 40% anything you would actually, or 40% anything you'd actually want or 40% anything you'd actually want. Either one of those are too high. Yeah. Either, either one of them is way too high. And I actually would like to have a,

uh, like a ratio where we, we basically say, okay, like what we actually measure it. What percentage of your UI is ads? Uh, and I think that's something that we could find

a pretty standardized way to test. If it's anything above zero, it's BS. Well, not necessarily. Okay, so for the Amazon TV, for example, would you consider it completely outlandish to have a 10% of like a bottom bar that has an offer for Prime Video. Oh, Prime Video.

You just bought an Amazon TV. Do you maybe want Prime Video? Yeah, probably. Yeah. Or like on your Apple TV, if they're like, hey, do you want Apple TV Plus or whatever they call it or Apple Gaming subscription? I'm okay with you offering-

The McDonald's ad is the one that I'm- First party ads are different, I think, than third-party ads. Sure. If Xbox is advertising some game or Xbox Live or whatever else... Should it be 40% of your screen, though? No.

Because Amazon had gigantic first-party ads. Oh, they're all first-party ads. I don't know if they were all first-party. I don't remember. They sell too much stuff. Yeah, third-party ads definitely bother me more, I would say. Need to create a system for measuring how pervasive ads are in a product. Like on a TV.

Frequency might be something as well. Yeah, that would be harder to measure. It would be. Because if you're not just sitting there using it, you're not going to know how often crap is going to pop up. That's something very difficult to do objectively yeah any plans for an ltt travel mug at some point yeah we just haven't found we just haven't found that we found the right thing um so far if i made a design for a merch idea would you care to see it so really complicated yes uh because you know ip is like complicated and um okay here's

a hypothetical hypothetical scenario what if i looked at it and what if it was super similar to something that we happened to be having the pipeline right now now i'm in a situation where oh crap either i need to go buy it from you or something or license it from you, even though we came up with it ourselves, or I need to alter our design enough that you're not going to come back to me and complain when our design is super similar

to the one that you showed me and that I didn't use. This is the reason why most TV shows just outright refuse to look at fan submitted scripts, for example. Because if they never look at it and they never allow you to send it to them, then they can never be accused of copying it. And there is actually a lot of times throughout history. pre phone etc and find things that were invented in like very different places at times that it would not have been possible for the information to cross that distance in time like algebra yeah well i didn't know that one in particular but like like these types of concepts are often invented or thought of by different people at a very similar time frame um while they're actually both being technically their own

original calculus calculus okay uh i think i think it was calculus uh yeah okay uh in the 1600s isaac newton and gottfried lebnitz both discover calculus sorry yeah yeah i misspoke yeah and there's a lot of different versions of that obviously it's not the most common thing in the world but like it's definitely something that has happened it's common enough there's a word for it i can't remember what it is conversion evolution is that it someone posted in oh yeah sure okay yeah true scott posted in in flow plane chat i'm gonna i'm gonna go with that um but yeah so so we don't want to risk don't risk that yep uh donald i've watched ltd since around the time you moved from the old

office i've learned so much you and your team are all awesome i hope you have an amazing holiday weekend oh yeah this is one that i probably would have just clicked show oh wait i clicked show it no it did not work so have you gone through and have you done a round if it's curated yet if it's sorry if it's curated already i think the show thing doesn't work i think that's something these are all incoming for me what i have nothing sitting and incoming for me oh right so i'm supposed to be looking at curated curated leopoldo something's any ltx updates we are we want to do an ltx update or we want to do ltx in 2022 we're really hoping to do ltx in 2022 but um no guarantees can you scroll all the way up i can are you troubleshooting yeah something's mine's missing mine has lower order count than yours

oh okay uh well hopefully we are catching everyone sorry it's sort of a new system i'm still working on that uh any chance we get linus cat tips merch uh yes i definitely want to do a cat teaser so it'll take time you know like a yeah yeah yeah but like a hyper high quality one the last one you'll ever buy so what what would go into a high quality I don't want to say too much. I realized right after saying that. We're not far enough into it. Jacob was working on it. And then he got sidelined for a project that I am not able to disclose for realsies.

It's still too far out. But man, let me tell you, magnets, man. Oh, yeah. Magnets. Have you seen what he's working on? I've seen it kind of. I'm going to go like this. So you know what I'm talking about?

Yeah. Okay. So you do know what I'm talking about? Yeah. I have not seen it up close. I've seen it like. Yeah. Do you know about the like the really cool part of it, though?

The like the weird shape thing? No. Okay. I'll tell you about it later. But Jacob's working on something that's like a million dollar idea instead of a cat teaser right now so he'll come back to the cat teaser eventually cat teaser could be a million dollar idea yeah it could but it won't be yeah yeah you know uh we gotta we gotta we got we got more engineers inbound. We got to focus on the stuff that's like, could be a seven figure project as opposed to, yeah.

Cause we got a lot of, we got, man, we had our budgeting meeting last night. Oh yeah. And we, man, I don't know.

I don't know, man. I don't know if I want to hire that many people. It's a lot. Like I would have never thought it possible for us to even approach 50 on staff, let alone getting dangerously close to 100. We were pretty tired by the end there. Something that I think would have been interesting, though, is to measure head count.

I didn't even want to count it. But, like, I think we should. Oh, I mean, I know. It would be somewhere in the neighborhood of like 80 to 85 if we actually hired every position we talked about yesterday. You're technically a medium business once you pass 100, right? I think so. I don't even want that.

I never wanted that. Yeah. That's like, that's wild. Yeah. If you told me in 2013, we would have even been considering that at this point. I would have been like, what? In 2013, we were trying to figure out how to survive

yeah yeah oh man price p asks can you resurrect tech showdown it scratches that scrapyard wars itch and seems much more covid friendly no it didn't it didn't do very well tech showdown performed terribly every time i loved them but i enjoyed it um hey muppet house thanks um yeah i think marcus is on twitter you should you should let him know let him know guys never be afraid to like you know go find our staff and tell them hey great job right like that's one of the reasons that we have credits so that people aren't just like a nameless, faceless robot producing, you know, videos off a conveyor belt. Like it, I can tell you from personal experience, it will brighten someone's day. If you just go out of your way to be like, hey, and be specific, right? Be specific. Say,

hey, that moment at this timestamp, if you want to be a real bro, you can actually include a link so that they can click the video and see the thing that you really liked and they can go watch it and be oh yeah you're talking about that yeah i remember that so include a timestamp say hey i really like this this is what i liked about it that's how to give positive feedback in a way that will really lift someone's spirits some tech short on episodes actually did quite well and then there's others that we honestly put more work into that did really poorly like that one but about a million 1.1 million 1.3 million about a million is not very good 1.3 million from five years ago no that ain't getting uh that ain't getting a sequel oh no i don't think so either no yeah because the stuff that really performed well

from that period has like three or four million views. So that's what we're kind of looking at. So yes, it's from a time when we were much smaller, but it's also had five years for the algorithm to find someone who wants to watch it. Have you ever watched back the ending of Tech Showdown episode two, The Future? No. It's hilarious watching you and I like figure out what's even happening. So many people thought we staged it yeah i promise you i give you my personal linus tech tips guarantee of honesty that we did not stage

it that was one of those convergent idea things we both independently came up with exactly the same idea for our machines yeah and we're not gonna tell you what it is go watch it yourself yeah go watch it pump up those views the future the future yeah okay uh metal gap he says so i wore my swagger a few times feels great top job at linus luke and everyone involved with it okay luke had nothing to do with it nope and i had barely anything to do with hey i wore it once you need to go find you need to go find you need to go find nick on twitter so that he can share that with the team. So, yeah, that's what you want. Okay, now, Ryzen pillow. Yes, I'm working on it.

First, I want to show you guys something else, though. Okay, hold on, hold on. No, no, no, no. Okay, so Luke, this isn't the Threadripper one, but feel this pillow. Tell me if you notice anything about it. I don't know what I'm supposed to notice. I'm not very good at this stuff. Just tell me if you notice anything about it i don't know what i'm supposed to notice i'm not very good just tell me about it what is it um am i supposed to show that side yeah you can show any side you want what i feel yeah just tell me just tell me tell me tell me about the pillow it feels nice it's a hundred percent alpaca wool is it really because i was

gonna say i can feel like you can tell it's not just something random so for cost purposes i didn't want to make that claim for cost reasons uh the normal ones are a blend because alpaca wool is super expensive it costs way more than the like normal cheapo fill this might this might come across the wrong way so i didn't want to say it at first but i'm gonna say it. It's like almost sort of lumpy. Yeah. Because it's real. Well, it's because, yeah, it's a natural fiber. Yeah.

But it's like- And it will work itself, yeah. It's a kind of- Oh, it's great. It's a kind of like, it's almost like a mush. Like it's almost like a stress ball. Like it's, this is why, this is where the obsession came from

because we got a sample from the factory of the original CPU pillow that was all alppaca wool we got samples of all different fills and i was like omg i love this it's really nice i don't want lumpy to come across negative it feels really the costing made no sense so you're doing like a premium run or something but then the pillow has been really successful for us and i I was like, you know what? Maybe we could do a super low volume. This is going to be the extreme edition. Nice.

Yeah. I don't know what the pricing is yet. Don't be surprised if it's like three or $400. If you don't buy extreme editions. Then don't even worry about this pillow. Yeah. Pretty much. So it's all, it's in like a black it's

are like a dark gray on black color scheme uh with the gold pins it's like it's like the stupidest stupidest i really like i don't know maybe the other ones had this and i just didn't notice but it has the like little oh yeah they have it they have it a little the little triangle for installation yeah so that's the extreme edition it's i i know it's like the dumbest thing ever but i yeah i like it this is the thread ripper so it's here chungus it's it's chunky it's coming i believe these are uh nick gave me a status update a little while ago i think they're in the port but we're having all kinds of issues with our port right now here in vancouver they're just they're just dumping entire containers like into storage like we'll deal with it later so getting christmas presents in time has been difficult yeah uh good luck everybody

metal gap he says i'm gonna be dumb as balls and buy two i would actually strongly not recommend it it's it's one of those things that only exists so you can be like wow i've got an extreme edition pillow you do not need two of them because it's not even for like these pillows are not for like sleeping on they're not bed you don't need to fill your skull trail couch yeah yeah totally not necessary so this is a blend this is yeah and it still feels really good that was why we settled on the blend right but it's not like that yeah it's just different you can tell it's it's not it's not as good. Sorry, I keep moving away. ET on the Extreme Edition.

I think it's coming around the same time as the Threadripper pillow. And I think the Threadripper pillow is going to be a couple different sizes. If the Threadripper pillow is a different size than that, please disregard the one that we held up. We had samples of like six different sizes or something like that. That was just the first one that I found.

So go by the measurements on the site. you can see you can see the design yeah yeah exactly oh google play google play google play google play what google play gotta talk about google play because last time on the show i only talked about in the pre-show and i slammed apple for the stupid junk that they did with our app yeah and on the weekend which i've never witnessed from apple before maybe it's a thing and it just hasn't happened with us i don't know but they they just silently released our app after i complained about it on wan show that's pretty funny i don't know if they saw apple developer but i think they did i don't know i just i got a feeling um because they're yeah

anyways um google has been throwing us for an absolute loop. Super frustrating. They have never needed to do a manual, they like, I think they do like an automated review just to make sure it's not like. Obviously malware. Yeah. I think, I'm pretty sure they do that. I haven't really dove into it because I don't care because they're not releasing malware,

so it doesn't matter. Yeah. But they've never done like a, hey, we need to log in and look at your app directly thing before. And then we pushed an unfortunately quite buggy version of the app. People have been pointing out when the app is fully closed, like fully closed, it's not running in the background or anything, and you get a notification, it will crash. If you want to use it this way if you get that if it if it crashes there's a new release because it's a notification every time um it's it's a weird use case we should have tested for it uh we actually do test for the app not being open

but we haven't tested with it like forcibly closed i see and it's only when it's forcibly closed anyways um so basically it's the people who have like memory management yeah like software that's like actually forced like completely shutting or they're just like really careful making sure they close things all the time and am i am i crazy or is that just completely unnecessary on modern android i didn't know it was a problem because i don't close it because i thought it just frees up the memory and then it's like restores unsuspensive am i totally missing something here it's just not an issue for me it might be a habit for other people other stuff i don't know what's going on but people had the problem sure jayden

fixed it really quick right we push an update to the store because we're like oh man this is actually like really bad for people that have this use case which there clearly are people that do um and and google goes nope you can't publish this we need to review the app you need to give us login information for a bug fix and like i told them pretty much right away, I honestly didn't know to check because they've never stopped an app from going out before. So I just launched it and I'm like, oh yeah, it'll show up in the play store in a couple of days. And we'll have a couple of days of bad tickets and we'll, we'll just address that the fix is literally published

already and it'll be here any minute and it's going to be fine. And then I realized later that they had, they had sent a message in saying like, nope, we need to review this. We give them the correct login information so that they can log in. Then they mistype it. Floatplanet.com Floatplanet.com is not the email that I gave them to log in with.

It's floatplane.com. On the login form on the app, there's in big block letters right above the login form, float app there's in big block letters right above the login form float plane not float planet also why wouldn't you copy paste yeah there's no way these guys have to manually type in all imagine the passwords that some people are generating these hundred character long passwords yeah for sure well why are you not so unreasonable why are you not ctrl c ctrl v ving it yeah so we send in an

appeal to that and i send in my thing like guys this is a bug fix i don't you don't even have to take this one roll it back to the previous version take our updates out just make it so it isn't erroring on everyone like yes i would love for them to have the new features that jayden painstakingly made and are awesome yes but at the bare minimum, I don't want the app to crash. Please, either take the update that is fixing the bug or roll it back to the one that wasn't causing this bug. Come on, let's do this properly. And then they take forever to respond

because they're still blaming COVID, even though it's been a million years now and they should have figured out processes to make this not be a problem anymore. I couldn't help noticing we didn't miss a video upload yeah in the last two years like you should be able to figure this out by now this is not a good excuse anymore yeah they so they're like oh it's going to be uh up to two days and then when you submit the form you immediately get an email being like actually it's not going to be up to two days it's going to be an unknown amount of time because of COVID. And then I appeal that whatever, say that they typed it in wrong. I get a message back

from them being like, hmm, so we've done absolutely nothing with your ticket because what we're waiting for is correct login information. If you could give us the correct login information, that would be great. I'm 99% sure this was an automated email thing to be clear but it's still incredibly infuriating um to have someone be like can you give us the right thing when the whole problem is that they have the right thing and they just typed it in wrong so i appeal that they take forever again to respond to the email and then the response this time is oh great yeah we have accepted your appeal You have to resubmit your app for review. Come on, dude.

Why? What the heck? Why in the year 2021 is it necessary for us to resend the same zeros and ones? And there's really weird stuff too. Like they're like, oh, you have to go into this like market availability section of the page and you need to save it and they're like yeah also if you haven't made any changes the save button isn't going to be available and they literally say this in their email just put like a space on the end of your app name and then delete it again so that it registers that there's been a change and then click save like what like sure i'll go do it but like what is this google

and then guess what the estimated time is for them to finally potentially allow us to apply a bug fix seven days you think that's actually going to get done over christmas nope so it's going to be even longer. Holy cow. I'm very sorry. All because they fat fingered the domain they were trying to log into. This should have been done a very long time ago. Even with the stupid typo. Because once they realize it's a stupid typo that is their fault, this should get expedited.

Yeah. Oh my goodness. It's so frustrating. And I'm genuinely very sorry to people that are using the android app and it is crashing just you know if you don't close it works or you can use that crash which is this is not great i understand but you can use that crash as it is every time it is a notification so you can check and there's probably something new for you to watch codependent says

i had a person leave a one-star review of my business but it was for the other business leasing the other part of the property it took me weeks and dozens of messages and finally twitter twitter to get it fixed they kept saying that it wasn't against their rules it doesn't matter if it's against the rules that's so frustrating it's just stupid so deal with it that's incredibly frustrating that would drive me nuts yeah that's rough anyways yeah thanks for the reminder jayden that deserved a rant just because mostly to be honest because i ranted about apple's situation yeah and in the end we need to be fair theirs was a lot easier to deal with theirs resolved itself magically by me talking on on one show let's see if this one resolves itself magically that would be great on one show

that would any googlers out there um robert says have you ever considered making the one show available as a podcast after it's aired yes it's uh usually linked under the video i think i think i think it's on i don't i've never i gonna confess to you, I've never installed a podcast app. Me neither. I have never listened to a podcast. I don't get it. I don't really have

opportunities in my life to consume that sort of long-form content. I really appreciate that you all do, like, hang out with us on Friday afternoons or evenings, I guess,

is really when it starts. I appreciate you all, but it's just, it hasn't really been my jam so i have no idea what platforms are on i've never really looked i think the business team deals with it yeah so if they're doing a bad job you could tweet at colton yeah i guess yeah someone asked uh can we sideload the update i thought about that um i talked to jayden that. I don't want to. We kind of brainstormed about it a little bit. I don't want to.

Cool. You might not like the reason. The main reason is if we release that, that's all fine. And you update it and there's no more error, which is great. And makes me want to do it to a certain degree. But that's no longer going to auto update through the store. Yeah. And it's, yeah's it's just better if google

just does their job yes and we can push the proper version of the app joshua carol says question for lefreniere apart from linus paying you less than minimum wage in the beginning that was actually not his fault yeah um what is the worst professional experience you've had with Linus? He sits back. Wow. I don't know. There's so many, it's hard to narrow it down to just one. I mean, we've been working together for, I genuinely, what is it, 11 years, I think?

It's been a long time um so there's obviously been ups and downs i think it's been pretty good though there's there's things that i can complain about but if i was in his shoes i would have done the same thing and if he didn't do that thing ultimately i think it would have been a mistake like i rag on you a lot maybe i can i've definitely done stuff wrong you have to come up with something i know you've done stuff wrong but like i don't know like okay the mountain thing i rag on you about the mountain thing all the time but if you didn't i'm gonna give you an out here if you didn't go down the mountain and get that thing signed i would have been so cheese if we did all that work and it was for nothing so like yeah part of me is like bro what the heck

but then the other part of me is like yeah if you didn't did it i would have been even more upset so it was just an unfortunate situation so i actually don't remember the exact reason that i went down with uh what was his name john i think you were trying to catch someone because they were up ahead of us the guy that i and you realized we needed his signature yes and then i believe by the time you caught up to him you were way i was way past you yeah yeah uh so luke ended up getting like abandoned in a storm on the top of a mountain because i was like abandoned in a storm on the top of a mountain because i was like blitzing down the mountain trying to get the validation that we needed for our guinness world record while i had altitude sickness which is the problem so i was i was like having a really rough time i'm walking

downhill which uh if you haven't hiked before it's actually still difficult it's not as easy as it sounds um i don't have trouble with it. So I was like going. So altitude sickness is like oxygenation levels and stuff. I'm a big dude. I was huffing and puffing and my oxygen levels were getting low and I was feeling really not good. Eventually, I get to the tree line and breathe deep and then I'm totally fine. I end up like carrying someone else down half the freaking mountain. I was totally okay once I was able to breathe properly but i was having a big issue getting back to the trees but i end up being fine i uh my backpack which is actually right here with

me now um it was heavy because we were carrying like a bunch of unnecessary stuff um so i was like just throwing it because the mountain was stuff um so i was like just throwing it because the mountain was pretty steep so i would just throw it and it would roll and then i would i would stand up and start like a light jog to the point where i'm like stopping myself from falling yeah and then i'll catch up to my laptop or to my to my bag and like kind of collapse into my bag and lay there for a sec and then pick it up and throw it and do the same cycle again and that's how i got to the tree line it was rough but there's lightning storms on that mountain so you can't be up there past a certain time yeah and if you are up there past a certain time there's the potential that some helicopters can come rescue you and it

costs $10,000 if i remember correctly. Something like that. Not an option. Yeah, especially not for us at that time. No. Yeah. So Luke got to the bottom and was like enraged. I was mad. That clip is kind of awesome. I don't think you've ever been that mad at me. Probably not.

Like even close, I don't think. It kind of helped though because i used the anger to carry the dude down the mountain yeah yeah um so the thing is like yeah okay i was taken aback when he was extremely angry at the bottom. Because honestly, this is something I haven't really talked about. That whole thing wasn't a great experience for me either. I thought that the experience, I'm not going to name any names, but I thought it was supposed to be more about teamwork and about us all achieving something together.

And it turned out that not everyone who participated in that event was handling it that way. It turned out that for some people, it was some kind of flex sort of thing for them. And it was not their intention for everybody to succeed and make it to the land party at the top of the mountain. And what happened was, you know, I didn't really know anything about mountaineering or whatever that's called. I mean, really, it was a hike. I don't think anyone on the team really did. High altitude hike. Why don't we call it that?

I didn't really know anything about it. I didn't realize just how difficult it was going to be. I thought that, you know, we were solving a lot of, you know, the technical challenges and someone else was solving a lot of the, uh, like the logistical challenges of getting all the people up the mountain. And it wasn't until we were probably a quarter or a third of the way up that I had a conversation that enlightened me to the fact that not everyone intended for everybody to make it. And I was like, excuse me, pardon. So the entire rest of my day, so I was also sort of quite emotionally charged. I didn't know this portion until way later either yeah um i was not

informed part way up the mountain yeah so i kept i kept that to myself uh because from my point of view it was all about doing whatever we could to get to the top of the mountain like i don't know if you know but i was carrying one of the lead acid batteries uh whereas yeah certain certain people had clearly optimized their load to increase their chances of making it to the top um so like i i was i think i took a you carried the whole way didn't you i did i think i took a shift with one of them but i did not carry it the whole way um so so i was what the what that person who didn't intend for everyone to make it um didn't realize was because we were the ones who talked to guinness was that we needed a certain threshold of people for them to consider it a land

party so because not everybody ultimately did make it we actually had to recruit other hikers to participate in our land party. And now I remember. I had to catch up to one of them because I needed his contact information. And he was leaving. So that we could get him his certificate. And so that we could actually submit his name. Okay, I remember now. It was like really important.

So I was doing everything i could to make it happen i was down way early i was sitting there worried but i was like in the car i was tired but i was like sitting there worried and luke comes down he's like enraged and he's like you know you like abandoned me on this mountain, potentially to a lightning storm. I have altitude sickness. I'm like, dude, I had no idea. You were just kind of like going a little slower than me when I went ahead.

I didn't mean to like leave you on the mountain. I needed to go catch up to that guy because if we don't get all of the signed, I forget what it was it was a film release or it was a contact sheet it was a certification that he participated that's right okay it's coming back it was a legal form it was the legal document that he participated with his contact information so guinness could verify him someone found the someone found the timestamp okay let's pull it up thanks barrington

someone you mean barrington barrington yeah yeah i actually didn't read the name thanks okay here it is okay so this is a highly impressed one luke lafreniere and let me tell you when someone's got okay when someone's got a hundred pounds and six inches on you and they look at you with that face no matter how much you know that you mutually love each other it was a quiet car ride i remember that and you can tell like i'm carrying like i sprung back up because i'm carrying someone else's backpack yeah like i was fine oxygen i was fine by the end and adrenaline you were clearly getting down that mountain yeah yeah but but it was i was like

from reports from people that were there before i got to the tree line i was like i was losing color in my face and like i was this was probably mostly after you had left to be fair i don't fully even remember the timeline i had no idea why you were mad you're just relaxing in the car and i was so confused what what what do you want me to do i'm supposed to hike back up the mountain i did the same i did the same hike as you like yeah what do you want from me i don't even know if i knew i was just frustrated with the situation because there was also like i don't remember the exact details of this but once we were in the trees yeah there was lightning yeah it was like legitimately hitting like around us so i missed all of that i didn't know the storm actually came yeah oh and not to name names but the dude that i'm carrying down the mountain for a very significant or like their

equipment you mean and him oh i didn't know i have his bag i remember you tell me my my bag on my backpack his bag on my chest and and I'm shoulder carrying him. So I'm not like, you know, but I'm shoulder carrying him. We get really close to the end, and then lightning strikes really close by, and suddenly everything is okay again, and he's running without his bag in front of me. I'm just like, what?

Now you're just like magically okay? I just carried you down like legitimately? You're just like magically. Okay. I scared you down. Like legitimately at the very least a quarter. I don't remember exactly the lengths and stuff, but it was like a very large portion of this hike. Yeah. I was not impressed by, uh, the magical healing of, of nearby lightning. Yep. So we, um, and and we were we were like the people that were still up there um which i don't know everyone outside of paul myself and brandon i know it was us and then there was other people i don't yeah brandon struggled he had a really heavy bag he should not have brought all the stuff that he did he really shouldn't have i told him not to you did he thought we were going for a walk and i was like no um but those those everyone that was there was like rationing out

their water and stuff because we were like running out of supplies like it was it was a rough it was a rough situation um yeah so i won't say who the problem was but i'll say that we've subsequently collabed with everyone who wasn't a problem you do the math um but yeah like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't have any particular examples that i can think of i forget what the original question was oh being mad at me what no what is the worst professional experience i'd say that was a bad experience yeah but i don't think that was like okay experience i had but it says with linus does that mean with you in particular i mean i was sure as heck involved yeah but like i said if you didn't go get the thing signed i would have been more upset i think i think you guys got to understand this guy is like is like you get shot in the head but you get the flag to the capture point like this it's just the kind of character that this guy is yeah so you know if i'm yeah if

i'm gonna make a call between save luke or save the the the ship you know you save the ship you save the ship you let luke fall overboard it's that simple and and i'll often figure it out so like it's probably right i don't know but but yeah so like i it was frustrating in the moment but i also didn't have a lot of various pieces of information at that time. We've definitely had some tense conversations over the years. I mean, you work together with someone for long enough. It's just going to happen. Yeah, it happens. I like to think that all of it was for the best.

I don't know. I'm not supposed to answer your question, obviously. I'm interested, though. Well, I mean, there was the time we both cried yeah so i'm sure even fully remember i know parts of that but i don't fully remember everything that was discussed there but i know parts of it you know it's one of those things that i am certainly not at liberty to discuss since it was hr related so you know there's a there's a certain like there's just a level of professionalism that I,

I like to maintain, you know, I'm not gonna. Yeah. Like there's certain stuff I just, I'm not going to talk about. Yeah. Like we're not gonna, we're just not going to talk about that. Cause it's not professional to talk about HR stuff. Like we've, we've struggled, right? Like when you're, when you're building something for over 10 years, um, you're gonna, especially in a very scrappy way, you're butt heads yeah um you know i'm sure there were times when i set really unrealistic expectations like in the early days of float plane that were extremely frustrating there's there's not just the early days of float plane but i think i am not uh the most uh how do i say this

i'm not the absolute most respecting of authority Uh, how do I say this? I'm not the absolute most respecting of authority. So the fact that I'm still here, I think, and I'm not trying to toot your horn, but I think we've done pretty good. I think we've done pretty well. I think we've done pretty good. I think we've made it work. Yeah. Every relationship is work.

Yeah. Okay. Employee, employer, boyfriend, boyfriend girlfriend if it's not you should maybe look into potential lies or something yeah maybe do you actually even have that close of a relationship yeah i'm not like i'm not judging or anything i'm just it might be time for some reflection do you actually share with each other right like do you can you lift linus yes oh 100 not even not even a challenge a few times on channel super fun i think yeah weren't you both basically kids at the beginning of ltd anyways i mean i feel that

way now i i didn't know what i was doing you're are you three older than me uh i don't remember exactly no i think i'm like four four or five years older than you i'm 35 i'm 31 at four then yeah okay yeah yeah yep so i i would kind of argue that i more or less still was not legally but like oh yeah no you were like you were you were baby luke you look back even at like the man show back then literally baby yeah yeah i still have scars see oh from the uh from the arm yeah yeah that was uh it's like man i you were kind of a disaster like when i met you yeah and like to be clear i'm not gonna blame someone for getting hit by a car right like that was a mess but just stuff seemed to happen to you a lot yeah you know you know how some people

stuff just seems to happen to them a lot like i've kind of always sort of felt that way it's been kind of frustrating but it seems to be happening less now yeah yeah i feel like things have been pretty stable for you right yeah okay cool the only like problematic thing and i think in like probably at least a couple years has just been my shoulder well family is always a problem yeah but i i'm saying i'm talking generally like i've got a i've got a family member that's like anti-vax and i really wish that uh dr bonnie henry had sent out the little memo about how the provincial restrictions aren't for this holiday that no unvaccinated individuals are supposed to attend a family gathering.

Like, just don't because that's, you're causing problems. Can you please stop? Yeah. Especially because Omicron spreads so easily. Anyway, so Dr. Henry sent that out, I think, today or yesterday or something like that. And I had already drawn that line for myself. I was like, look, no, I'm just not going to entertain this anymore. You need to stop.

You need to just actually get your shot, like be a man. And by man, I don't mean a toxic masculinity man. I mean like- Stand up to responsibility. This is not about you. I know you're young and healthy and you're probably going to be fine.

Ain't the point, dude. So my response to this is be a man, get your jab. No, you're not going to be fine. Ain't the point, dude. So, you know, my response to this is, be a man, get your jab. No, you're not coming to Christmas dinner unless you get your s*** together. And it would have really saved me the trouble if Dr. Henry would have sent this earlier because I had to make the call whether we were,

because we're hosting Christmas dinner this year. We're the only ones in our family now with a big enough house now that my parents downsized. So, like, I didn't want to make this call i didn't want to be involved in any of this but my hand is sort of forced here because we had to finalize who's coming yeah and i just i was so frustrated that i that i had to have such a that i have to have these stupid conversations, right? And I was just like, no, forget it. I'm actually just not going to entertain this anymore. Be a man.

Do the right thing. Yes, that's a... Is Russell Peters cancelled? Are you allowed to reference Russell Peters? I genuinely have no idea. I don't follow that stuff. I don't know. So, yeah.

Thanks, Dr. Henry, for two you know probably probably the right call but a little late um lachlan new hoodie heck yeah any info on when the swacket will be back in stock uh when we can when we can man we're trying um chrissy every jacket i wear in the winter is now from ltd thanks i have more holes than socks i'm gonna need at least 20 pair socks when we are working on it okay i can't get the stretch right they're too stretchy so they're kind of hard to pull on okay i don't like that yeah and the other issue i have with socks that are too stretchy is when you move around they have a tendency to rotate on your foot that That's my biggest.

And I don't like it. Yeah. So I need to get the stretch right. We're going to do some kind of merino wool blend because I just love the properties of merino wool. It's like, it's freaking amazing. It's warm. It's breathable. It's awesome.

It feels great. Really comfortable. But what we have to do is we have to get the weave right and we have to get whatever type of stretch material that we have woven into it. We have to get that perfect. There's also like if you're if you're playing a sport and your foot can slide inside the sock sucks really bad it really sucks really not so no promises um in fact

this jacket with the 3d printed like, like insulation materials, probably going to beat it to the punch. But speaking of, you said all your jackets are LTT. Hey, you want another one? Yeah. It's like,

it's really great. I use the, I use my stealth hoodie as an inner layer. Cause it's not, it's not like a winter jacket, but I use my stealth hoodie as an inner layer. Throw that on over top. It's like kind of awesome.

Yeah. What phone screen protectors are good? Are they worth it today with Gorilla Glass on phones today? Just as long as you get a Gorilla Glass phone like screen protector, then you should be good to go. Most of them are pretty good about touch responsiveness. So that's, that's what I would do.

I think doesn't D brand have them. I would, I would probably just, I'd probably just go for D brand. Cause at least if like it sucks, you can complain and they will deal with it yeah they'll insult you but they'll deal with it uh brock says uh comparing video compression 4k movie on youtube versus netflix versus apple versus amazon versus blu-ray 1080 versus blu-ray 4k that's a pretty cool idea yeah i thought that could actually be pretty interesting that's actually a pretty cool idea. Yeah, I thought that could actually be pretty interesting. That's actually a pretty cool idea.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I like it. It's a little, there's going to be problems, but it's definitely interesting to look at. I know there are people who can rip 4K from these services. It shouldn't be too much of a problem. For YouTube, what we could probably do

is we have an account that's in good enough standing that we could probably just upload a freaking movie and it would be there for at least a little bit so as long as we can pull the encode back down and store it locally then i think we'd be able to evaluate their encoding quality on it. Interesting. Yeah, I think it could be done. Comparing all encoding on video services. That's a really cool idea. And there's all kinds of tools that you can use to compare the encode quality. It would be a bit of a black hole.

It'd be a bit of a rabbit hole, but it'd be a really, really cool concept. It's probably kind of a thing that'll take us some time. Yeah. Luke says, First off, thanks to you and the team for being an inspiration. Will you guys ever look into digital forensics? I...

Probably not. I think there's some potentially cool things. Something that I would love to see is if you put two different files on two different new hard drives and built a clean room and did a platter swap and then tried to see if you could access both of them yeah it's one of those things that is just what value does it add right because it's the kind of

thing that i would never recommend anyone do anyway i would just like to see it yeah you should just have a professional do that kind of work if the data matters to you at all and if the data doesn't matter to you then you probably just shouldn't do it like those are really i i know that that's not what people want to hear but if you can't like if it's not if it's not worth paying a professional then it's then you shouldn't do it i don't know why not i mean if you have i guess if you have nothing to lose professionals in these situations like if it. And I'm not naming any names as far as professionals. I don't want to get involved in the whole drama show that is the data recovery industry. Absolutely.

Yeah. But regardless, it's not cheap, right? The cost of one hard drive is quite digestible. And for someone who's already a hobbyist in the space, if they're like, yeah, I could lose that stuff. It's not the end of the world, but I would like to retain it. It might be worth the cost of a hard drive to give it a shot.

Could be interesting. I don't know. No reason, actually, do I don't feel strongly about it at all. I just want to respond to SirFrancis14 real quick here. Talking about valid reasons to not get a vaccine, you know, when you're going through chemo or immunocompromised, I know for a fact, this is my family member, I know for a fact that ain't the reason yeah linus is talking to a

specific person yep yeah uh and it's for those people that people like my relative need to get a shot yeah yeah uh all right say breeze uh huge fan finally got around to buying the desk pad hey this one probably shouldn't have made it into period. Oh, I'm in the wrong thing. Darn it. Trevor, I can get a Fold 3 for only $300 to $400 after trading in a three-year-old iPhone XS? Worth it?

Yes. Is that a question? The main reason why I curated that, because I curated that one, was I just really wanted to make sure that he did it. Because I was like, why are you even asking? Just go. JR6955 says, I have a hard drive with five Bitcoin and I don't trust data recovery.

Then just fly there. Literally fly there and stand over them while they recover it. That was easy. Like it's literally worth 200 grand. So it's probably worth a plane ticket. Yeah. I'm happy to help. Yeah.

Okay, Jacob, I'm a current Best Buy employee of a year or so. Oh, I thought you were saying employee of the year. Employee of a year or so in sales and inventory. I was wondering if you guys wanted to chat or ask questions about different stuff, literally anything on or off the record. I don't know. Yeah, maybe.

I don't really have any questions for Best Buy at the moment. It would have to be prompted by something. I got to confess, Best Buy doesn't get a lot of my brain cycles on a given day. Well, this is a one-ish year sales employee, so you're not going to get a lot of operational answers. employee so you're not going to get a lot of like operational answers but if it was like how is working in tech during a chip shortage or something working in tech retail during a chip shortage or something maybe i don't know oh sir francis wants to clarify they were saying the same thing as me okay yeah 100 okay yep thanks sir francis we're chill uh in your recent review of the louis vuitton earbuds at the beginning you showed the abyss 1266 headphones. How did you have these on hand? Do you still have the one from the DMS collaboration?

Maybe. I mean, they sound so good. They're one of those things that we, it's not like I would daily drive them. They're super uncomfortable. But when the lab is a thing, having something like that for reference is going to be extremely useful.

Yep. Bryce says, things aren't looking so hot down here as a software engineer how difficult is it to get canadian citizenship uh it's challenging but it's doable definitely possible especially if you have good credentials that that helps a lot education is pretty big software engineer uh you should be in relatively good shape yeah don't expect that like canada is going to be maybe as different as you guys might think it is yep we are america's hat and we kind of own it um matthew the few land parties i've been to were great even though i suck at first person shooters

which was most of what we played plus i always enjoy a well-planned event yeah man how much fun would it be to just run like a land center i really stopped bothering making videos at that point i really games just included that one to like hype it up. Yeah. Fair enough. Nick says, used to work at Avid CNC. Super cool to see the machine featured in some of your videos. Excited to see all the projects. I'm now doing metrology R&D and would love to see measurement and inspection features in a video. That's kind of cool. That sounds like the kind of thing that we could get into for labs as well metrology i've never even heard of that before powell says polish customs will hold this for more than it took to travel here oh for the order also our tax system is very

bad wanted you to know love you guys manhood is amazing i'm only dressing ltt now i'd love to see more 3d printing stuff 3d printing is a tough one we've actually got a 3d printer and now that we're probably going to make a video on this thing is a tank it prints i think six times faster than our prusas yeah yeah that's gotta actually be a pretty interesting setup it's like a six thousand dollar 3d printer they sent it over wow they're like yeah do whatever you want with it and so i'm kind of thinking i might make a video about it. Does it have like honking fans? It has honking everything. I guess it would have to. The motors are like this big.

Okay. Yeah. That's cool. There is a 3D printing nerd. Yeah. Yeah. There's always like other channels that are super focused on 3D printing. Just because we don't cover it a ton doesn't mean it's not being covered.

Yeah. Josiah, first time ordering. I'm wondering if you have plans for making more tools beyond the screwdriver of course but i'm gonna i'm gonna be i'm gonna be straight with you um we're a little we're a little strapped for cash right now between screwdriver being delayed when we've already put down a lot of the money for it um which is seven figures like not just barely seven figures like it's a lot of money um and backpack being a thing that just way exceeded my expectations like i would have based on what i thought you know gut feeling going into it i might have brought in like 500 or 1,000 units of a backpack. I would have done whatever is the minimum order quantity.

We're ordering 30,000 units. Like I am extremely confident that this product is going to absolutely kill. Awesome. So, yeah, it's awesome, except that I don't have any money. Still sitting there. except that I don't have any money. Still sitting there. Yeah, so right now, we're not looking to bring on any kind of major huge projects.

We're keeping garments going, anything that we're ordering, $2,000, $3,000, maybe $5,000 of if the cost per unit is low enough. But I don't have capital right now to do another like major project um and no i'm not gonna i'm not gonna do a kickstarter i will not pre-sell okay i gotta be careful because life changes things change um but the way i feel about it right now i do not intend to ever pre-sell anything because I believe that people should buy something based on what it is, not based on what they hope

it will be. So I've gotten, there's been a lot of discussion a lot of times about a lot of different projects about taking pre-orders. And one of the things that we had discussed doing it around is the screwdriver. And I pushed back and pushed back and I said, no, we're not going to do it. And I'm so glad I did because it's been delayed. Like I think compared to what we thought we might be able to hit, I think it's been delayed like over a year now. Yeah. I would not have been happy having someone's money for a year

and not having delivered anything, especially if I didn't need to have it. And a lot of people in that time would have bought a different really high-end screwdriver or something. I'm creating friction in our relationship, right? You've given me money. I've given you nothing.

Yeah, in case you're wondering, Jaden, I think that's about 27 40 foot containers of backpacks they don't compress as much as we'd like even just the logistics of that is crazy oh man yeah oh man ltt store's getting real guys i had a lot of people questioning whether ltt store would make a significant dent in our like in our hiring costs our like budgeting costs for the lab you got no idea like ltt store is a huge part of what is going to make the lab possible and so oh yeah so the lab kind of came about because i was like okay it's time let's do it um i just looked no there is no update on the hammer and i don't think ldd would make one so

no i don't think so uh west says what are your thoughts on software companies charging renewals for maintenance and support um i've done it i've paid them um in certain scenarios i think it's totally fine it's not really any different than the old way which was creating a new version windows 3.1 and it having a bunch of fixes in it and then you would buy it so to me it's it's essentially like an update um yeah i think it's kind of the same thing and it's basically what we're doing now with software as a service, except I think software as a service

is kind of more toxic, more anti-consumer. Because at least if you don't need that particular bug fix the old way, you didn't have to buy it. Whereas now you're paying no matter what, even if they just don't fix anything. It's also really bad for people that want to dabble. Like if I want to do i don't

know i want to mess around with this thing every like few months well it'd be nice to just buy the software no i can jump back to it no i'm not like a super professional i don't need every update that's going to come to it forever i'm actually like probably totally fine using this version of it for basically ever like let me just don't break it. Don't break it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, oh man. Gremlin Injector asks, lab shares or membership of some kind to fund it? I think that we might have some kind of like professional access.

Maybe there'll be more data, like maybe you'll get the raw data instead of just the graphs that we publish or something, you know? We've had discussions internally about what that would look like. I think it would be very optional. And really, to me,

the lab is supposed to serve as a consumer resource, not as a necessarily professional resource. So I would want it to be very optional. Oily Rain asks, a while back, you showed a pie chart with a rough breakdown of LTT income. How does that look today? Extremely complicated. It's difficult to calculate. I can tell you right now that for this year, even though creator warehouse has sold every item that has gone out the door at a profit, the cashflow for the year is minus multiple millions of dollars. So have I made money? Have I? Uh,

technically no, right? I don't know. Yeah. Technically no, but i have inventory yeah sitting in a warehouse you've made what i would argue to be very sound very logical investments investments yes yeah but i haven't gotten a return on them so i haven't made money but my shopify dashboard says that it's profitable things are going good that it's profitable. Things are going good. That it's going great. So that's why, that's why physical goods business, business is just complicated, right?

Like I, I, um, I don't, I don't actually know. I mean, I could tell you, I could, I could break down the revenue, but that would be very misrepresentative. So for example, something like float plane might have a very low revenue number, but because it's a software product, it's a subscription product. And our most ardent supporters are over there giving us this monthly subscription on floatplane it's it other than the overhead of the floatplane team which does other stuff it doesn't have a cost i mean there's bandwidth there's which is actually okay that's okay there are costs that's good Yeah. But they're compared to physical goods. Very low.

They're relatively low. It's like shipping. It's less significantly less than shipping. Yeah. So it's complicated, I guess, is what I have to say about that. It's a potential energy versus kinetic energy thing, but for money, says Cyclone. Interesting way of. That's an interesting way of describing it.

Harry D says Cyclone. That's an interesting way of describing it. Harry D says, oh, I've been watching for over five years. I'll be graduating with a degree in computer science next semester. Thanks to all. I was wondering if there will ever be a channel focused on programming. I can tell you probably not. Probably no. It moves too fast, and our focus is on evergreen content. We're just not going to.

There's really good channels out there, too. Yeah. Go do that. Go watch them. Dagan. evergreen content we're just not gonna there's really good channels out there too yeah go do that go do that go watch them yeah yep Dagan 5800x or 5600x thinking about upgrading and giving my 3600 to my brother for his pc okay well you've got a 3600 did you ever feel like you needed more cores and then I think that's the answer to your question uh anonymous any way we can get the size of the garment that folks are wearing in the description of the story yes we're working on that luke are we ever gonna do that or is that a nick thing i think that's a nick thing yeah i think i think the easiest way to do it would just be to photo edit

and just add a little size icon in the corner of each one of the photos so that'll take a long time but um it's something that we will do you can do it moving forward uh we should um nick knows it's on his list so you can just assume that he has other stuff that will happen it already like right now if you click on like a combination of things it should go down to that wait does it work for sizes probably not no it doesn't it works for color variants though okay yeah dr gizmo as soon as i saw luke with the dark aqua hoodie i knew i had to get one uh a lot of a lot of really positive comments on this i didn't have a good experience with the crew neck sweater really contact support yep contact support um yeah the crew neck sweater is honestly like it's the uh it's the it's the it's the uh what would i call

it it's the everyone i know internally who took one home had it stolen by their so yvonne took mine the swacket jake's girlfriend took his my swacket was gone like immediately didn't your girlfriend take your crewneck sweater oh yeah yeah yeah so those are the three that i know of where they like took it home and were like i love this thing i'm gonna wear it all the time i found it the other day because she she stores it away from like my stuff so that she can get it and i figured out where she keeps it but yeah yeah she took your swacket she took my swacket like immediately it was on the back of my chair and i got up like a few hours later and it was gone and i was like wait what and then she comes walking by she's wearing i was like when did you take that i was literally sitting here i didn't even realize

ridiculous i don't know i'm surprised i'm surprised that's her style she just all my like you know second layer things just almost always just gone immediately there's certain stuff right i i have to like sit down and be like, this one's mine. Please don't take this one. Stop. If I don't do that, it's gone. Anonymous asks, could Brandon do a beginner's camera guide on LTT? We've done some content around that, but honestly, it did not perform very well.

So that's the reason that we haven't really revisited it. Luke D says, floatplane question. Why do I have to subscribe to floatplane for something that's free on twitch and i think youtube sorry what's free on twitch i think he's talking about one hand show so on on there's a there's a few cool things about floatplane the main most sellable one probably is full pin exclusives uh that's content that is exclusive to floatplane uh there's some really cool stuff in there it's stuff that probably wouldn't perform super well on the external channels which is kind of part of the reason why but it's like meet the team some behind the scenes stuff there's some cool things in there

uh in addition to that you get really high quality video you get a more curated chat with hardcore people and audio don't forget the audio is uh full quality it's actually one of my favorite parts um but yeah it's it's it's a different experience it's not the same thing as the other platforms um yes wansho is on all three platforms yep uh christopher asks minecraft server 1.18 update for survival looking for a chill place to play the update um that's a jake question uh i have idea. I have almost literally nothing to do with the Minecraft thing. Travis C., can you talk about the design of the zipper on the new hoodie? So we were just trying to do something a little bit different.

It's still a YKK zipper. It just has this little like thing on it. It has like a little textured pull. And we just thought it was kind of cool. That's about it. I mean, you know what? Bridget or Hannah might be able to give you more detail about why we went with this particular design,

but I don't know. A lot of the time I will offer my opinions, but then I really do like to defer to the people who have been creating garments for many years because they know better than I do in a lot of cases. It's their thing, yeah. Garrett asks, will the backpack have a suitcase handle pocket

so it can sit on top of your suitcase? We're going to try. We have an idea for how we can do it without reducing its wearability as a backpack. And if it works, then we're going to do it. And if it doesn't work, then we're going to kill it. Man, we got to get through these.

Okay. We got to call it at some point here ladies and gentlemen robert b have you ever considered making the land show available as a button oh question for left friend this one's already done as well i think this is yeah why are these not disappearing uh did we skip ahead no i'm clicking archive and they're not moving oh not for me either we're just gonna scroll past them okay oh wow okay most of these i think i've done your recent review of oh yeah did we actually finish and it just like looped or something maybe we finished i think we finished i think we did nice hey oh okay wait yes nice

maybe refresh your page conrad suggests i'm gonna go for it i'm doing it too oh okay so that's working so yeah we're good well why don't y'all have a wonderful weekend then yeah thanks for tuning into the wan show and thanks for apparently the indoor hoodie is a hit, so that's pretty sweet. Thanks for supporting LTTstore.com and all of that. Wow. Okay. Neat. Wow.

Yeah, thanks, guys. We need that right now, so that works. Yeah. Not to go into it too much but yeah that's cool bye imagine that bye being a catchphrase by the way thanks thanks Todd H. Got that last merch message in there.

Picked up both colors. I mean, when you can't choose, right? It's the obvious solution. I'm not going to lie. I was unsure about this color when he first handed it to me. And then the second I saw it on me on camera, I was like, oh, it looks pretty good.