The WAN Show - Update Windows Before Watching This - WAN Show June 14, 2024

Episode Date: June 17, 2024

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Hey, and welcome to the WAN Show. We've got a great show lined up for you guys this week. No, for real. We actually, we say that every week. Every single week we say that. Sometimes we don't mean it. Today, we have a great show lined up for you um there's a wi-fi takeover attack vulnerability in windows and all windows users have been warned to update now there there is a mitigation there's a mitigation now but you should update your windows now if you are if're out of date, this is one of those things like,

dude, what was the one? Blaster. This is like Blaster on Windows XP, where if you're installing off of a disk, okay, you're installing off of a disk. Do you remember this? I don't remember this. Dude, if you installed Windows XP off of a disk, like non-service pack Windows XP,

post Blaster, and you had your ethernet cable plugged in you would be completely destroyed before you even could install antivirus yeah it was crazy it was crazy all right what else we got this week oh oh no we're gonna be talking about this dude I have no excuse I'm gonna have to switch to an iPhone really? what do I have

what excuse do I have left I don't know so we're gonna be talking about WWDC what else we got this week YouTube is testing server side ad injection you heard it here first it's over uh not really but you know it is what it is also the nas software that you've been kind of uh teasing for a long time we have some news it's not here but we have some news we definitely have an update for you guys so that's the nas software that i've invested in yes as kind

of like um well i think of myself as an angel regardless of whether i'm investing in something or not but i've definitely taken on the role of angel investor in the sense that i was like here's a bushel of money have fun create the thing yeah yeah or don't. Oh, we are matching shirts. Oh my god. Yeah, not intentional. The show is brought to you today by MSI, Grammarly,i and of course our chair partner secret lab why don't we jump right into our first topic of the week which is of course

the wi-fi takeover attack that has got all windows users being warned to update now microsoft has confirmed a new and pretty alarming Wi-Fi vulnerability in Windows, which has been rated 8.8, isn't that great, out of 10 in terms of severity using the Common Vulnerability Scoring System. The vulnerability, assigned as CVE-2024-30078, Very memorable. does not require an attacker to have physical access to the targeted computer, although physical proximity is needed since it uses Wi-Fi, and exploiting this vulnerability can allow an unauthenticated attacker

to gain remote code execution permissions on the impacted device. That's bad. That's super bad bad so they can just execute code very bad very bad all window all windows versions what do you mean by all windows versions you mean like 10 and 11 you don't mean 95 do you because i don't think that has wi-fi could you make that work somebody's probably somebody's probably done it don't don't don't tempt them yeah hackaday and those people you know what those people do they said it couldn't be done so i did so i committed six years of my life to getting working like apple air tag find my support on windows 3.1 like we we know we okay that's i

believe you i believe you do something productive it's like all reasonably modern um what do you mean those people i do you know who i'm talking about i did read a warning somewhere that they were saying if you're running like not currently supported versions of windows that you might want to you know upgrade your windows because those are also impacted oh so this is big update i was kind of wondering update conspiracy a lot of this a lot of this kind of especially the like advice from microsoft it's just like actually i i suspect it's less conspiracy theory and more not giving a fuck about it's like yeah we told you it wasn't supported come on figure it out get on with it but you could tell there's a look felt like there's a little bit of come on in come on in the waters you can move the windows button over to the left and bring back the show the

desktop thing come on in the search sucks and there's ads everywhere oh my god you got wrecked with that i heard it happen i'm not gonna spoil anything else about scrapyard wars 9 but i was searching for dude what no dude what was i searching for i was doing a similar thing some application that i need it was it frame view no no no no no i was trying to turn off sleep yeah yes i searched for sleep in windows search i remember what you got to dude no you you didn't see my screen though no but i heard you it literally wasn't even there it was not one of the results so i searched for sleep and pressed enter because you know that should probably bring up you know power control and sleep and all that and it would have back in the day and it would have back in the day and instead it loaded up sleep country f**king canada

which is a terrible terrible website why buy a mattress anywhere else bad mattresses because there's better deals and better mattresses maybe exactly got them that was funny though roasted we were instructed to do that at the same time i type in sleep and at the same time i hear sleep country canada that was so good that was one of the highlights. It's a very... It's going to put a lot of pressure on our editors, but this is the best season ever i i season four has a pretty special space in my heart that was bob and rod right yeah it's gonna be tough it is the best season ever okay it's you haven't seen my side yet no and

even just seeing my side it's gonna be very strong so like i could see it i just you know season four is kind of a little special to me at least i don't know it is the best season ever all right um i'm i'm very excited and and you know what the editing team's gonna do a great job and i'm not worried about that um there's a few moments and again i won't go into them but there's a few moments especially synchronized moments that i think are going to be insane to see in the edit like just absolutely nuts to see in the edit and there's like not one there's a few so yeah it's going to be great all right so let's continue on with this yeah microsoft has confirmed that with no special

access conditions or extenuating circumstances, none of those are needed. Apart from the proximity requirement, an attacker could expect repeatable success against the vulnerable component. Microsoft also warns that an attacker requires no authentication as a user before exploiting this vulnerability, nor any access to settings or files on the victim's machine before carrying out the attack. Furthermore, the user of the targeted device does not need to interact at all there is no link to click no image to load

no file to execute now i wanted to add at the end we're not security experts nope especially not me jake sent this in the infrastructure chat like 20 minutes before we went live and i was just like this is breaking news very much serious if you're interested in this you should find like security experts online or something and read what they have to say about it we don't know much about it we just read it right before the show thanks forbes whatever just go update your system come back if you want to learn more check somebody else out that's it um should we move on to wwdc just dive right in um or do you want me to do a topic while you do that i can do that

no let's dive right in all right wwdc as even as as a relatively low, how would I describe myself? As a light Apple ecosystem dabbler. You know, I've used the devices. I mean, people forget this. It's amazing how many people think I'm just like some kind of Apple hater and I hate the company and I hate their products or whatever.

Well, when you're using this now, you'll be an Android hater. I know, right? I dailyed the iPhone 4 for like three or four years. I dailyed the iPhone 6S for over a year. I was going to say a bit. Yeah, for quite a long time. I've never gotten into macOS.

No. That's never really been my jam. There's stuff I need to do. I have work to do. And macOS is great for certain things, especially with Apple Silicon. The battery life has been, there's been nothing comparable on the Windows side,

at least not yet. I'm a little jelly of MacBooks right now. I didn't, I don't know if it's in the dock, but I saw that there's some early Snapdragon Elite or Snapdragon X Elite benchmarks that are looking not as exciting as as we might have hoped which is really disappointing so i'm i've been kind of getting hyped and now i'm like a little more cautiously maybe i hope to be optimistic at some point anyway um we we just really haven't

had a response to that but other than that than that, there's nothing that really draws me into macOS and being in the industry that we're in, which is kind of a lot of different industries. Like we do some media, which Mac is super friendly for, but we also do some maker stuff, which Mac is super a lot less friendly for. Like I don't think solidworks is supported at all and that's something that we have multiple teams that rely on so it's just

like if we're going to be on an ecosystem we have to be on something that we can all be on otherwise we're supporting this like random random mix and we actually are supporting a random mix we are these days but it's relatively limited on the mac side. And not gonna lie, it is pretty annoying. We're working on making it less annoying. It is possible for it to be less annoying. But even like our remote management stuff, we basically need another system for Apple. You basically need two systems. So even as a light user,

the only Apple product that I daily drive today is my AirPods Pro 2ss even as a light user uh wwdc was legitimately very exciting this year so uh we have a full video on wwdc so we're not going to go through absolutely everything but the team did put together a bullet list of kind of everything that apple announced and bolded are the ones that they suspect that i will be most excited about we kind of glossed over it in the video a lot of things bolded but dude t9 dialing oh i didn't actually hear about that all right so they're catering to you specifically someone at apple finally listened and you know what i don't think it has anything to

do with me i'm not i i don't actually have a big enough ego to think that someone at Apple was like, I've been doing this a lot this show so far. Let's win over the Canadian. Someone, yeah, let's bring him into the fold. It's time. You know, I don't actually think that happened. But what I do think has happened at Apple

and what a lot of these things feel like to me is a bit of an attitude adjustment. Okay. These are all things, the things that I'm most excited about. So the ability to really though, actually for real, customize your home screen layout. Yeah. And put an icon anywhere you want. It shouldn't, I don't feel like it should be that huge to me, but it's huge to me.

My home screen has always been almost blank and it's important to me and dude i am not going to put stuff i need to interact with at the top physiologically it doesn't make any sense for me because i have small hands and i can't reach it i can reach the bottom everything i need to do frequently there you go is in the bottom right so that's where my email is that's where chrome is that's where my, I have a folder called social that contains things like teams because I don't have a real social life. I just have my paid friends. Uh, but, but so like media, social navigation, storage and docs, uh, email, Chrome, that's all there. And then everything else that's kind of out here is stuff that I need once in a while.

everything else that's kind of out here is stuff that i need once in a while and so the way that ios worked where i just had to like stack up garbage or put uh unnamed folders to take up i've seen that oh so stupid it's just such an unnecessary completely asinine workaround and you guys won't have to hear me whine about it ever again because Apple has finally just acknowledged that the only reason they weren't doing it was just user hostility and outright stubbornness. Like it just had, it had nothing to do with that this was difficult or something they couldn't do. It was just because they didn't feel like it.

And it was the same way with T9 dialing. There was, I've talked about this before and I get it. You, Johnson, you don't with t9 dialing there was i've talked about this before and i get it you johnson you don't understand t9 dialing and that's fine it doesn't matter you can just not use it because it's not in the way because t9 dialing doesn't get in your way you can continue to type on a keyboard like a caveman instead of using t9 dialing like uh i don't know um a whole man you know well i mean look they both existed at the if anything if anything t9 came first we're less advanced but the point is that t9 dialing doesn't impact your ability to search for a contact with your keyboard it doesn't matter

you can continue to do that but it's something that i've said time and time again and a skilled apple developer could literally implement in probably an afternoon plus all the time it takes to validate and all the other stuff but in terms of the actual development of that feature it is negligible by modern standards. It would be very fast. And the only reason that they haven't done it is just, I don't know, because Android has that feature. And I don't know,

having something that Android had first, except that half the things that they do, Android had first. So I've just, I've never been able to understand it. But it's great. It's freaking awesome. It's so much faster. It means that you don't have to program favorites.

You don't have to remember anyone's number. You just start dialing their name. You don't dial the number. So you, Martha, who doesn't understand what T9 dialing is, I've tried so many times to explain it and had people argue with me that it's slower. And I'm just like, I actually can't anymore. Like, you've just, you've not listened. And now you're, you're yammering at me. And this is not a real conversation because you haven't heard a thing that I've said. So it's really, really exciting

to me. But, but what's exciting to me about those two things in particular is those are two things that apple absolutely knew they absolutely knew that competing platforms had them they absolutely knew that they were easy to implement and they absolutely knew that their users wanted them yeah so they knew all of these things not intrusive to users that don't want them exactly they knew all of those things not intrusive to users that don't want them exactly they knew all of those things and they didn't do them because i don't know you that's why that's the only reason i can think of um and here they are and here they are at the same time and here they are alongside a whole bunch of other really cool stuff that basically eliminates any reason that i would

need to stay on it i shouldn't say any reason side loading is still a huge one for me but eliminates almost any reason that i would need to stay on android i respect that being an important reason do you actually do side loading i actually need it there is one stupid smart home appliance that i have that is not approved for sale in canada i imported one from the uk and because i'm on a canadian app store and play store account with a canadian credit card i cannot install the app for it unless i side load it that's frustrating yeah so no sideloading does matter unless it doesn't to you in which case that's great but if you do need it you do need it yeah don't tell me what i can and can't install on my phone if i get the thing and i decide i'm gonna

you know take the risk and use this thing that is not for sale in my country then i'll then i'll use it it's not up to you um so that that's that's definitely something that's holding me back but man this is great rcs support rcs is coming so it really does feel not like just some stuff that they're doing to you know think differently and be apple about it this really feels like oh crap the legislators are coming not coming they have come the legislators have come it's time for us to appeal to our users in a we don't have you held hostage anymore um stuff that you want here it is here it is here it is be so happy about this and remember iphone remember iphone is great and has all this stuff that is really good.

And it really is. It is really good. This looks awesome. Chat GPT integration. You know, that's cool. The fact that Apple is paying for it. So you aren't paying any more than what you're paying for your shiny iDevice

or your iCloud subscription or whatever else. So if Siri can answer the question, she'll answer the question. And Apple actually has some of that running locally which is super super cool and then if it's too complicated for siri then it'll fall back to chat gpt and if you have a paid chat gpt account you can bring some of your paid features over but otherwise it's just free i don't yeah i don't think apple is actually paying for it. I think just like no one is. I think Apple is paying in quotes through distribution, not cash.

Paying in exposure. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Excuse me. So whatever the compensation is. If you want like advanced features. You do have to pay. Yeah. Yeah.

So, but in terms of the basics, Apple has sorted it out and you will basically get, I think they're using GPT for Omni. Yes. Yeah. As far as my understanding goes. So you'll get the, you'll get the latest chat GPT, which is super cool. They've got clean up AI photo object removal,

the photos app redesign. So it's now a lot more similar to Google photos, which is legitimately really great. Let's see what else we got. You can get, yeah, yeah. App blocking and hiding.

Oh, app blocking and hiding is super cool. What's that? You we got you can get yeah app locking and hiding oh app locking and hiding is super cool what's that you can you can basically um you can basically have apps hidden so that if a different user is using the device um they don't even know that it's installed and no notification will pop up so the joke we made in the video was uh like if i had grinder and i didn't want yvonne to see it um then i could i could like lock that i could hide that app entirely and even media that that different user though oh because this is not okay this is for this is on ipad os yeah okay or and ios actually phone i was still thinking phone and if i hand it if i handed it to my kids or whatever then i can i can lock away certain apps which is super cool that is cool um the ipad calculator is super cool like reddit or um twitter places where things might get posted that are

you don't necessarily want them seeing absolutely um let's see what else we got here mac os yeah the iphone mirroring thing on mac os is super cool it's like kind of like a remote desktop ish thing you can like take take phone calls and stuff um what else we got window tiling yeah mac os is looking a little bit better yeah they finally have like suggestions for window layouts when you when you drag the thing over that's nice yeah it's like that's what i'm talking about though it's stuff that just obviously should have been there a long time should have been dealt with ages ago and they're just like it's like they're just it's like the entire team is just assigned to finding those things that people have been whining about for 10 years and just just get it done just get it done

so cool uh someone mentioned in terms of like the app all it took was some antitrust antitrust is good man uh someone mentioned along with the app locking thing that like banking apps um and any if you if you have like uh some form of, I don't know, I was going to say government apps. I can't think of any that are currently active, but I don't like the COVID passport stuff was a thing for a while. Uh, you can have those locked down. That's pretty nice.

Someone pointed out. Yes. Taking phone calls on your Mac has been a thing for like a decade with, uh, what is it? Continuity or whatever it is. Um, yes,

but the, the, the, the, the, the, the basically just having like your iPhone, just be like a little thing.

It's pretty cool. So yes, you could take a phone call, but you could also do like anything else. I have to imagine that they're using a lot of those same work that they did for the Vision Pro for like desktop projection. Now that everything's running on the same, the same silicon essentially.

Someone said, oh, where'd it go? Safari reader mode is crazy by the way it will it will like de-emphasize the unimportant parts of a page whoa yeah so it's like not add block but it's essentially linus vision it's like a focus mode that's pretty cool actually yeah i might actually use that because i use my have i told you my three paragraphs trick what is your three paragraphs whenever i open an article i always skip the first three paragraphs if it's like an if i'm in like my google news feed and i click on something i immediately scroll three paragraphs down because it's like it when when the article title is like something that i'm interested in the first three paragraphs are

almost always fluff because they want you to scroll down to get through the ads. Yeah, that makes sense. So I just skip them and go right through it. And I find the third or fourth paragraph is usually when they start hitting the meat of the article. Mackie Bean in a full-page chat said, for Windows snapping, Mac OS couldn't do that before

because Microsoft actually had a patent. There's got to be ways around it. Yeah, I'm sure they could have figured out a way around it suggested layouts not actually window snapping that's a way that you could think of to work around it right yeah and that and they're doing it now patents expire after what like 15 years or something like that it hasn't been that long so they clearly they clearly figured it out yeah um man so cool oh there's unannounced but discovered in the ios ios 18 beta voicemail notifications including transcription that's nice custom charging limits 80 to 100 percent that's nice something that just should have been a thing like back when they had that

whole debacle around the batteries degrading they should have launched that at the same time it should have just immediately been a thing there's absolutely no reason for it to have not been a thing. Flashlight beam pattern adjustment. Okay, that's super cool. Visual side button press indicators. Mixed language keyboards, for example, Spanglish. Okay, that's super cool. That is cool.

Seriously. Yeah, I'm sure we could talk about a lot more of this stuff guys you can watch the video you can watch like all the bajillion videos and articles covering it but for me really what i wanted to talk about on wan show was apparently it's been 15 years windows snapping was announced in 2009 yes windows snapping but apple's had just the like side to side one for a while okay it's the like multiple layout suggestion one that i think came with windows 10 as a power toy first and then was integrated something it was it was not as long ago okay yes window arrow snap has actually been 15 years um that was that was

launched with vista if i recall correctly uh yeah i know right the weird one that i was discussing with someone last night um is uh 2015 is only six months away from being a decade ago crap yeah that's a weird one that's a weird one stop it yikes uh yeah um but yeah yeah the, the attitude shift that seems to have taken place here. Just the fact that so many of these things are things they could have done five or ten years ago. Oh, sorry, they had split screen but not snapping. I had to buy an app called Magnet to enable window snapping. Look, either way, fine, fine.

Either way doesn't change the point the point is they're finally addressing things that have been clear deficiencies that their users have wanted them to address for a very long time while also doing cool innovative apple things like the satellite text messaging thing is so cool that could be a literal lifesaver yeah an actual lifesaver yeah um i i love it they briefly overtook microsoft as the world's most valuable company uh but lost the lead before close apparently love it i'm excited i i i i'm you know what i'm gonna do it i'm gonna try i'm gonna i'm gonna switch well look i've been looking for a new phone for a while you've been what is that no nine yeah yeah for how long uh ever since

i dropped my fold in the pool dan has my fold now how's the fold treating you dan it's good i um i'm trialing it with my dad actually really your dad's using it that's right how does he like it i think he likes it a lot uh he uses the fold not very often though yeah that was my thought as well i have technically two folding phones now and you just so you just have like a double thick phone for no reason basically what it ended up being yeah i don't know i think uhus, you had a better use case for it where you could have scripts and chat kind of simultaneously while doing production and stuff like that, right?

I didn't really use it for that that much. I mostly opened it up to read articles. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Especially because so many modern sites have so many ads on them that on a candy bar form factor, you can't actually read the article. It completely breaks it. So there's that. Anyway, I've been looking for a phone for a while and you guys suggested very stupid things to me unfortunately well one of them wasn't that stupid one of them was the lg wing was a very stupid suggestion but the fairphone 5 wasn't stupid until it was super super underpowered

and had just like game breaking bugs like the fact that the ringer volume could only be ear splitting or completely off which just doesn't work for me uh okay um so this might be it then i might just go iphone that's fun yeah do it i wanted to do it for a while but i it didn't feel like it was ready yeah you keep going back to the pixel yeah i never want to and i know you hate it every time and then you just like keep going back it's like what kind of relationship is this i think this time i if i if i had to do it again i probably would have gone with an experia actually but i realized that like months after the fact not not shortly after the fact like months after the fact i'm gonna convert you trying other people sony just quietly yeah it was you pretty great phones um sony has like a lot of quiet everything yeah nobody seems to really care over here well i i had an xperia a long time ago

and i really like it so much i'm the one north american who actually cares okay okay dan he's got me pretty sold when when this finally goes down the tank which hopefully not for another like couple years but um i i suspect it'll be iphone versus xperia oh yeah and tap to cash in apple pay looks sick yeah it's like splitting splitting bills forget about it like how how how was that not a thing like the fact that genuinely pretty cool isn't the animation like sick too that was one of those things that i'm not sure. I haven't actually,

I saw an animation of something and I thought it was that, but I'm not sure. And it looked really cool. That was one of those things that just killed me when like almost 10 years ago, someone told me, no, it couldn't have been 10 years ago. It was a long time ago. It was between five and 10 years ago.

Someone was like, yeah, in some ways China's really behind, but in other ways north america is laughably behind and one of those ways was contactless like cashless payments they were like yeah you can buy a banana with like wechat for 15 cents and just like there's no fees and like it's fine i mean you know the government is watching you but yeah other than that just the convenience of just pulling out your phone and being like yeah i'll yeah i'll take one banana

from like a roadside vendor and this was this was back when i don't even think apple pay existed here yet so it was just like the dark ages essentially yeah you know you were you were still pulling out your credit card and like swiping a magnetic strip whenever you went down to the states like at least you guys support pins now brutal yeah that was that was ridiculous like we had pin authentication for like years they still want to take your card though they'll take your card go to the machine plug it in bring you the machine that's pretty funny why did you do that part this is uncomfortable just let me i don't know anyways uh you know who's not happy about this stuff elon musk elon musk was furious at the news of a partnership with open ai immediately threatening to ban the use of apple devices at his companies even by guests. What? Why? Because, well, he tweeted an image to explain.

If you check it out on X, I will share my screen. That's why, I guess. Because you're giving all of your data to OpenAI. But I think maybe he doesn't understand, or maybe I don't, because I think it's opt-in, right?

Because it's not like Apple doesn't have their own AI stuff. He knows that Tesla has had more user data scandals than OpenAI, right? Well, OpenAI hasn't lasted for very long yeah i've been around for very long but he knows that teslas have been pretty big quite egregious yeah right watching people's videos yeah like because you have you have all your cameras in your tesla yeah and there's been uh tesla employees caught just watching people's videos and stuff yeah like not good not and then and not just watching them but like sharing them on like internal discord some stuff like not sorry they're internal yeah sorry they're internal

group chats yeah um like he he knows that right yeah it's kind of weird i don't know if he knows that i think it's just because of his like ongoing war with open ai so he's just trying to like make noise you see the uh you see the lawsuit apparently some tesla shareholders are mad that he created a competing ai company when tesla was supposed to be his ai company like i could see that it's it's almost like he's been this way all along and the fact that you didn't notice is kind of on you um i'm sorry i i know that i've been kind of branded as an elon hater but to me his character has been on full display for a very very very long time uh the big turning point for me that made it just so obvious and i'm so sorry if if this wasn't obvious but um it it just it is

to me because of the space that i work in um and the thing that made it so obvious to me was when they dissolved their uh their press relations for tesla yeah because it was it was after a streak of just sort of uncomfortable questions that their press relations had had to answer where he basically made a statement without making a statement that he was accountable to nobody and didn't have to answer anybody's questions and um dissolved it and i was like okay well that tells me everything that i need to know about you you think you are not accountable and it's been so clear in basically everything he's done since then that he thinks he's not accountable you know that might have been the worst move that he could

have done uh at all because i feel like if there was someone in front of him he'd probably be doing a lot better right now because i think a lot of the like downturn of uh public perception of him and public perception of some of his companies has largely been due to honestly just his twitter usage if he just like yeah didn't tweet things i bet you people would still think he was a god but anyways um moving on i guess i think we're done yeah um youtube testing server side ad injection according to reports youtube is now injecting injecting ads directly into video streams to try to defeat ad blockers youtube YouTube has been using client-side ad injection, where the ad and video are delivered separately to desktop and mobile clients, and the player is programmed to

pause the video at certain points to play the ad. Now, YouTube is experimenting with server-side ad injection, which places the ad directly into the video stream before the content is delivered to the viewer. And if it's like a mid-video ad just sort of at the same time right it's acting as if it's the normal video feed so it's you can't detect it remember when i pitched you this for floatplane well yeah remember when we had talked about uh having a free tier i have memories of this we had a conversation you were like yeah basically like a lot of our savviest audience and that's going to be a lot of the people who are most

dialed in who are going to be a lot of the people who subscribe on floatplane are just going to use ad blockers anyway so there's like no hope and i was like but like what if we could just what if we could just encode several versions of the video with like the various campaigns we're running right now and obviously that's a super rudimentary like stupid way to do it and you were basically like yeah but the processing and storage are going to be ridiculous and this is something that could conceivably work but one of the challenges is that if it's encoded into the video they could just use the slider to skip it which is something that you know for all of its faults the other way of serving ads does not allow we had this like whole conversation about it um and to be clear i'm not i'm not imagining that i invented this idea but it was

funny to me to see that youtube is now testing a feature that we had a conversation in our like crappy boardroom that would have been a long time ago probably like seven years i remember like bits of this i i i remember enough to like know that it definitely happened i just don't remember the conversation super super clearly um but yeah that'll make sense this this sounds like effectively the same thing but more sophisticated because it's probably like um just in time setup jit instead of like trying to transcode the whole thing ahead of time um so they can like insert it that way uh but anyways it's it's interesting to the technical side of me um but yeah so they're experimenting with doing server-side ad injection which places the ad directly in the video stream before the content is delivered to the viewer this makes

most forms of ad blocking harder not impossible but harder many ad blocks work by disabling the javascripts that inject the ads into the video stream obviously this switch will affect that functionality if it works that way it's not going to work at all incidentally this also affects sponsor block um oh as they take user submitted data about where the sponsor segments are located in youtube videos this extension offsets timestamps to skip the sponsored content, but the varied length of integrated ads will affect the length of the offset and affect its ability to crowdsource accurate and precise data. This is what I was saying. or you had would have actually worked with sponsor block because the idea was to like bake these things in but if they're doing this in like a just-in-time format where they have the video file but they're streaming stuff ahead of it right um or like along with it just like

picking different chunks and i might be misusing just-in-time because i don't know exactly how they're doing this so i might be saying the wrong thing but they're doing it a little bit more live than than the plan that we had yeah um which is going to mean that it's not the same for every single user every single time you're going to get different ads which means that things like sponsor block will will struggle a little bit now i'm sure there are i can think of ways that they could still make it work. Because if you can detect what ad is playing, you might be able to have some data on how long that ad lasts. The solution is going to be the same solution that everyone is using these days. AI.

Oh, yeah. You could recognize an ad. You could recognize self-promotion so the whole thing could just be oh man that that oh wait wait wait wait yeah so you could and wait no at the very best though it'd be tough all you could really do is just like like like blank it out so it could be kind of like you could just you could effectively like turn off your tv while uh while youtubers are promoting their merch or while while an ad is running and then it could like come back on kind of thing because you wouldn't be able to like you could get the chunk analyze the chunk be like bad chunk and then just like i would i would love a like crab rave ad blocker.

So like any time it detects an ad, it's like please crab rave. It'd be so annoying. It'd be so funny. Well, you heard about how bad Linus-led development was? It was nothing compared to Luke-led development. Yeah. We are not working on that. No.

It would be really funny oh man anyways uh this doesn't this doesn't make adblock impossible as we've been kind of discussing adblockers could still function using detectable metadata and ui elements like a clickable ad link um or a variety of other things or even like yeah i'm thinking like user submitted like hey this ad that looks like this plays for this long skip whatever blah blah discussion question at what point do you think youtube slash google will be satisfied with their levels of ad block if the platform is able to defeat ad block what do you think the effects on the platform and user base will be? One thing that would be really interesting

about SponsorBlock in particular to me is I think it would cause a bit of a change in the YouTuber sponsor read meta. Because right now, I think that a lot of savvy users are just skipping it. And so some channels in particular have like really long or like um like notice like really long placements like right at the beginning of the video and stuff like that and i'm i'm just wondering a minute and a half right at the beginning is one that i saw

recently yeah crazy and so i just i look at stuff like that like ours have always been designed to be easily skippable um so the first one is about 10 to 15 seconds which is supposed to be one tap of either a double tap with your thumb on your phone or of the arrow key on your keyboard um and then our intro is i think about eight seconds so basically two is supposed to just skip you through it um and then our ending one is supposed to be such that the well the video is over who cares just navigate away or sometimes we'll put a little bit at the end to reward the people who you know watch the sponsor integration but um it's supposed to be pretty easily skippable it's been really fascinating lately you can kind of you can

kind of follow like trends and audience sentiment towards things because we've been doing that method for nine years or something like that where we've like we've had the two spots we've had a short one at the beginning and then a longer one at the very end and um i'll i'll see i'll see sometimes an uptick or a or a downturn in comments about it oh line is it's got two sponsors a video or people will be like completely fine with it and and it's it's it seems to be more related to what else is going on on the platform and just how generally ad saturated people are compared to anything to do with us changing anything because we really haven't um but i would be would be, I would be very interested to see if this made behavior like the, you know, minute and a half at the beginning of the video, just kind of go away

because I don't know what percentage of people even use extensions like sponsored block, but I suspect it's, I suspect it's reasonably high. I mean, I see it talked about a lot. I don't think, yeah, I don i don't know yeah i have no idea i'm just i don't see it talking about that much i see it around but not that much i don't think i don't think it's anywhere near as widely known as adblock yeah that's i think it's probably majorly like just the youtube hyper audience not like like normies no adblock i don't think normie's no sponsor block is what i'm trying to say interesting um dan what else are we supposed to be doing oh it's merch messages time hey why don't you uh hey if you have sponsor block why don't you just

skip this part except i actually think it's the most interesting part of the show so get wrecked i guess yeah um all right what are we doing dan oh wait should we talk about like a reason you might want to like do a merch message oh right that is what we're supposed to be doing uh if you're new to the show it's merch message time that's right don't leave a super chat don't leave a twitch bit or whatever they're called twitch bit um i know twitch big it's like a purple bick yeah it's a pen um don't leave a twitch bit or whatever they're called. Twitch bit. Twitch Bic. It's like a purple Bic. Yeah, it's a pen. Don't leave a Twitch bit or whatever. Just leave a merch message.

Go to lttstore.com and in the cart, you'll see a little box when we're live for a merch message. Merch messages go to our producer, Dan. Boop, there he is. Ah, so cool. They go to producer Dan who will reply to them or forward them to someone who can answer your question or just pop them up on the bottom They go to Producer Dan, who will reply to them, or forward them to someone who can answer your question,

or just pop them up on the bottom, or curate them for me and Luke to reply to you. We've got a couple of things going on. Actually, we've got one thing going on on the store this week. If you have a baby shower coming up, or you've got a friend who's having a kid sometime soon, or had one recently, we've got a bundle going right now so you can pick up the abcs of gaming board book which is one of the highest rated items on the

store it is literally five stars almost across the board out of over 300 reviews there is one that is one star let's see they probably just just didn't get it. Yeah. Nice. It's basically five stars. People love the ABCs of gaming. And then you will also get... Or you can also get the... Wait, why is it not in here? I never... Okay, we have a little bit of work to do on our store.

Is it a plushie what what is the uh the shape sorter oh it's a miracle anyone manages to buy it at all okay there it is anyway uh shape sorter toy so this is this was painstakingly designed by one tine and stack to have unconventional shapes that's right. Who needs a circle and a square when you can have a laptop and a game controller? And almost all of them will not go through the... If I remember correctly, there's only one that can go through a hole

that it's not supposed to. I think there's two, if you really find a way. Anyway, the quality is great. People absolutely love this thing. Again, tons of five-star reviews overall five-star product and if you buy these together you get free shipping for your entire order so if you're someone who needs to gift something fun and tech related or just i don't know a gift for someone who's having a baby or had a baby recently and you wanted to pick up

something else from the store then now's your excuse to pick up the ABCs of Gaming board book and the ShapeSorter toy, and you will get free shipping on your whole order so you can pick up whatever other stuff that you wanted to grab without paying for shipping. That is worldwide, my friends. So enjoy it. Anywho, do you want to show them how merch messages work, Dan?

Yeah, sure. So let's see what we've got here. First one's up from Philip, Morning LLD. Is there an ETA or any idea on work cargo pants? Yes, I saw. I think they're in production right now. So that means less than three months, but more than one. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Hey, WandaDLL. Over the years, you've gotten to see some fairly momentous tech advances and innovations. Looking back, what are some severely under or overestimated? Oh, man. Someone reminded me of a buzzword that we totally forgot about. Shoot. Now I forget. me of uh a buzzword that we totally forgot about shoot now i forget yeah in our ai is a live video we had like you know internet of things and yeah 5g you know some of some of those buzzwords it's just like remember all the stuff they were telling us 5g was gonna do and i was just like basically

i was looking at it going like yeah yeah okay i get it it's like way more throughput and the latency is going to be way lower or something. Right. But like, how, how's the latency going to be that much lower? Like it still has to like, you know, bounce off of there and relay over there. And like, isn't a lot of it just like switching time? Like it moves at the speed of light, regardless of how many G's you have. Right. Oh man.

Big data. That's the one. Remember big data big data well big data is a thing of course it is a thing yeah but like just the way that okay the way that we were talking about it was so optimistic and what's funny is we're actually oh god yeah okay what's funny is we're actually yeah okay what's funny is we're actually finally some of that is finally coming to fruition like with machine learning right now oh yeah yeah with llms um like that that that all that that data gathering um seems to seems to be actually mattering finally but man they the the kind of i remember i can't even remember what stupid presentation I was in where they were basically like, yeah, yeah, big data is just going to enable this.

And I was sitting here going, I mean, we're all on iPhone 5s right now. It's not going to do any of that stuff. Yeah, man, big data. Big data was awesome. What else did we, what are some of the other like really funny ones 5g i'd say is has been the biggest flop because 5g i mean remember it changed anything remember when they changed the remember when they changed 4g to lte yeah so lte stood for long-term something um stands for yeah what long-term extensions or something long-term evolution

5g could have absolutely just been part of long-term evolution and we could have just stopped calling things g's because as far as i can tell other than the millimeter wave stuff that functionally doesn't exist unless you happen to live like right next to right next to a an access point for it i'm sorry i don't see what i don't see why it couldn't have just been yeah yeah lte plus lte pro max yeah i just i don't i'm sorry i don't i don't really get it it doesn't seem like 5g was was much of a change. And it seems like the carriers agree because a lot of them are just popping up

a little 5G thing on their branded phones when you actually only have an LTE connection. Because functionally, it doesn't make a difference. For most, I mean, think about it. For watching a YouTube video, it's not like you need any more speed than 4g lte anyway for uh accessing a web page i mean realistically your isp's dns is slower than the actual data download speed like that's not that it's just not the issue i don't actually

need it to be faster and man the stuff they sold us that 5g was gonna do like it was gonna enable autonomous cars i'm sitting here going like you can't you can't drive a f***ing car over a cellular connection i don't care you can have the world's most magical cellular connection you're not driving a car over it like get real please i'm trying to find like um key features and benefits of 5g technology here i'm to find a 5G infographic. Yeah. Here we go. Here we go. 5G. Fast.

Dozens of times faster. Not an evolution of 4G. It's a full new mobile system. Connecting everyone using numerous services. Connecting objects. Dozens of billions. What the fuck's a dozens of billions? It's reactive for real-time services, connected cars, online gaming.

So much of this is just internet. Environmentally fucking friendly. What the fuck are you talking about? Friendlier than what? Reducing cost and energy consumption. Of what? I don't know. It's just stupid. Solderless PCB-b edge launch connectors like what okay what does that have to do with anything

oh god oh man yeah oh yeah oh hd video internet of things only shows up on 5g there was no internet of things on any of the previous g's also this is amazing 2019 20 to 40 gigabit per second what are you talking about what the heck so we didn't have hd video on 4g oh no yeah yeah yeah yeah 100 we couldn't do that also what does sms have to do with any of them nothing oh lordy that graphic annoys me yeah i know well they were basically all like that man like oh we're gonna we're gonna have man remember connected cities and you know what eventually we're gonna we're gonna have that but 5g is gonna be in the in the rearview mirror like way way back there by the time anyone is driving around

in a functional connected city. I 100% remember the buzzword, but I'm trying to look up like what, okay. Connected cities draws this inspiration from something, something. It integrates brownfield and greenfield development into a unified what? The vision is for compact, high quality,

walkable developments focused around existing and new railway stations. Groups of settlements, some existing, some new, are linked using existing rail corridors and clustered around a hub town. Together they form a connected city. Unhappy Elf says, this is a terrible take. Why did we go past 3G then? Okay. That's not what he was saying literally at all if you want i can take this one sure go for it so he wasn't saying that at all he wasn't saying we don't need more speeds

he was saying that they were promising the sun moon and stars when it was just faster internet um you weren't gonna you weren't gonna suddenly be able to do new crazy things we were already able to do those things. It's just like a little bit faster. And honestly, when you're on your phone, you very rarely need it. It's nice. It's good.

And you know, technology ever marches on. We will use it more and more over time. Now that it exists, more apps and things that could use a little bit more bandwidth will probably do that. This will also be part of an advent of probably lazier development.

We see this in a lot of different ways. Back when you had to fit everything onto a CD or a cartridge, there was a huge amount of effort going into making sure that you could fit as much as possible. And now it's like, well, everything has massive SSDs. Let's just not care about how much data we're using at all. That type of stuff. And nobody's making

fun of it getting faster and better i said it could have just been it could have just been 4g long-term evolution i mean we're making fun of buzzwords yeah not technological advancement technological advancement good yeah it's faster nice it's good buzzword nonsense that promises the sun moon and stars as as luke very eloquently put it, is not good. Oh, this wasn't on the dock, but you just reminded me of this, and apparently you reminded it's silent in floatplane chat as well.

We've got to talk about COD. COD? Yeah. COD, Salmon, Tuna, you know. Oh, the 300 gig? Okay, no, no. I'm not even interested in that. Okay.

What I am interested in is the fact that not only is it a 300 gig game but you are going to be streaming textures constantly oh really you need you must be online okay but is that artificial in order to stream textures like game textures i do not understand so you're okay i didn't know this part what is the 300 gigs it's probably all like uncompressed and like how how is this oh man i continuous texture streaming i remember this from earlier this week there was some like hilarious contradiction in all of this too i was man i'm trying to i'm trying to i'm because i think the texture streaming was to oh yeah okay okay

okay don't quote me on this but i think someone from somewhere justified this by saying that the texture streaming like the always online requirement and the texture streaming was to account for like like data limits and not making the 300 game 300 gig game bigger even bigger and it's like wait a second so your solution is that instead of downloading it once i'm gonna be downloading it over and over again constantly are you kidding me the only way that that logic makes any sense is if you know i'm never gonna play the whole game is if you know your game is so bad i'm never gonna play the whole game is if you know your game is so bad i'm just gonna play it for a little bit so that way i only streamed as much texture as

i need i'm trying to figure some some people have like monthly bandwidth uh caps that are actually like difficult to deal with 300 gigs is apparently for the mesh data and they are streaming textures the mesh data is 300 gigs i'm sorry but this is just like the um the amount of engineering a worse solution that goes on sometimes just blows my mind because they would have had dude they would have had to put so much work. Like, they probably built, like, a significant amount of data center. Think about how big a COD game is. And I don't mean big like in gigabytes. I mean big like in cultural impact. How many people play a COD game?

Oh, yeah. Streaming that kind of data to that many players. Like, dude. Let me see. Dude. dude let me let me see dude they quoted the monthly active players uh in in the just steam charts cod has a lot of monthly active players i am blown away by this how is streaming the data over and over and over again a solution by the time i look at that rock six times no i'm serious though and okay it's it's possible that not all texture data is

streamed like it would be pretty asinine if like character models were streamed um yeah but like okay well okay here pitch me pitch okay it's it's it's not 300 gigs but sorry yeah that's the whole pack or something like that i don't care the point a bunch of different games honestly i'm not i said i wasn't even mad about that yeah what i'm mad about is this texture streaming nonsense so no no put your computer away we're having a conversation i'll put my computer away let's have a conversation okay i am i am i am i okay i i'm the owner of like infrastructure expenses at activision okay okay and i'm trying to sell this hold on hold on hold on no no okay okay just let me get there okay so i i own infrastructure expenses i i want to manage infrastructure I want things to be as efficient and cost effective as possible. Okay.

Okay. Name one texture in the game that I should put on my infrastructure for people to download over and over and over again, instead of just once one texture that that makes sense for, uh, I'll wait. Uh, well, the, well the the the uh i got one okay okay a garbage can in spider-man no wait the dlc live shop the dlc live shop and all the new skins oh interesting okay so this would help them avoid having to do an update creeping every single time that is actually pretty good there you go was that pre-informed nope on the spot that's pretty good uh you know you play yeah i think dan gets the skins yeah that's he wins a point i hate it so much so basically this is a way for them to advertise a lower

install size you know i bet you they're gonna that's 100 the reason they're gonna do both you think they'll just if you if you've like streamed it enough times it'll just be like okay and it'll download a permanent copy i would like that because like there's there's this so my argument was going to be that we have the initial download size so someone can play the game but then we we allow them to play more quickly we reduce a barrier to players getting into the game by allowing texture streaming this is a thing already the problem and the reason why i didn't pitch this already is because the way that normally works is once you stream it to them they keep it and you don't have to stream it to them again right because you just allow downloading while the game's running this is like like blizzard has done this which i mean

heavily related company blizzard has done this for a really long time. You download like 40, 50% of the game and then it is playable. Yeah. But they're like, you'll still have to stream some textures when you're in the game. But when you're streaming those textures and other various things.

You just have them. Yeah. And it's part of the game install. So now this way. Oh, Lordy. This is painful. This actually hurts my brain. Yeah. Dan is 100% right right though that is the reason i still feel like they'll make you do an update when they do that though

and the mcxl in chat says in-game advertising and billboards which is probably more accurate than what i said they're probably both right to be complete well i i feel like i like dance i think dan should definitely get a point for it but it'll probably be more like what you're talking about where i still think they're gonna make you update um and no i don't necessarily think they'll make you update though because they could just they could just feed that to you while your lobby while you're loading in the lobby or whatever like they could just it doesn't have to be streaming streaming,

but it could be... But they want the store to be pristine the second you load the game. They don't want the store to look bad because your internet connection is a little bit rough. That's my... I'm not 100% convinced on the store. They might be updating the store daily. The billboards would explain why it matters

for single player, though. Because in single player, the cosmetics wouldn't be relevant but billboards and ads would be the reason why they would need you always online for single player that's a thing right in cod uh i'm not sure i mean probably but who knows i don't know this is brutal dude yeah. Yeah. Brutal. A WA 1992 says, please guys, please stop giving them ideas if they haven't had them yet. Trust me, when it comes to wringing blood from a stone, Activision has had the idea already.

And if they could patent it, they would. They've invented blood wringing machines. Blood wringing crucibles that's not what a crucible is but okay it's fine forged in the blood ringer um that sounds like the intro to some

like fantasy movie yeah forged in the ring of blood anyways what are we supposed to be talking about um i was going to give you one more merch message or we can move on up to you no sure do it yeah do one more hey ldl what are your thoughts on the new thermosiphon developments for pc cooling and is there any kind of cooling tech you'd like to see or attempt to put in a pc uh thermosiphons are super cool we saw it initially with ice giant they're apparently working on a more aio form factor um type of thermosiphon

frost giant studios dang it no i mean super cool but no um wow they are a very small company you can specifically search for them and they still won't come up neat well ice giant's also like a really no offense very generic ouch got him uh anywho ice giant is apparently working on some kind of prototype for a more AIO form factor type thing. I don't see anything on their site. And Noctua showed off a thermosiphon that was in like an AIO type form factor and was essentially a pumpless AIO, but it uses phase change. So it's a thermosiphon. Super cool. If they can achieve AIO-like performance, that would be amazing.

There's still going to be some challenges. They'll be a little bit less flexible because they're gravity dependent. You have to have the radiator above the CPU block. Otherwise, you won't get that natural flow. Yeah, cool. that natural flow um yeah cool in terms of other cooling technology i mean i think we're gonna see i'd love to see water cooling get cheaper but like yeah i think it's gotten about as cheap as it can get yeah i think we might see some innovation though because of the amount of thermals and power that's going to be going through these data centers so we'll see like data center innovation for cooling and then hopefully it'll trickle down to us i don't think it will because it's less about cooling the actual chips

at this point and it's more about cooling the whole thing right fair enough i mean yeah the fact the fact that heat pumps like people i i man i saw so many articles about heat pumps over the last six months i'm just like yeah like who's buying an air conditioner these days just get a heat pump it didn't i thought everybody knew that but i don't know apparently this is like like whoa like uh like like big news like six months ago i don't know i was i was just super confused by it um because it was it's been like kind of common knowledge here maybe it's just because we're in this like temperate place where buying anything you want both just air conditioning is like completely worthless because you're going to use it like three weeks out of the year um right so we were just like

well yeah heat pump yeah something that can do both because you know we need like we need like two months of heating and like i don't know three weeks of cooling well it used to be that way nowadays our summers tend to be hotter but when we need it we really need it but we don't really need it for usually that long um no big hvac does want you to know about heat pumps freck big big big hvac will install a heat pump for you tomorrow. Gladly. It looks almost the same. All right. Why don't we... Oh, we've got a couple of things. We have a floatplane exclusive

that is available for 48 hours over on LMG Clips. So it is, I guess, semi-exclusive. Check it out, guys. If you are not subscribed at lmg.gg slash floatplane you can watch this floatplane exclusive we have two floatplane exclusives every week which is pretty cool this is colton gets a floatplane tattoo this one's from a while back but we've got a lot of other really great exclusives on the platform i can show you some of the more recent ones here we go How do we test materials at creator warehouse?

This one's apparently doing really, really well. Emily and Jonathan reacts to WWDC. Oh, cool. We've got all this stuff from Dan week last week, Dan designs and builds a table. Dan Suzuki cappuccino.

Uh, we have actually a ridiculous amount of content, actually a ridiculous amount of content like actually a ridiculous number of exclusive videos on floatplane now the library is huge and it's worth a subscription to floatplane just to kind of watch some stuff and hey maybe you don't keep the subscription forever but go check it out there is good lord so much to watch am i even done yet i'm not even done yet like it goes on and on and on okay there you go finally man what are some of these it's baby linus doing float plate exclusives wow crazy meet the team colton kaching potter yeah i know right look at baby jake look at his baby face anyway what am i supposed to be talking about yeah so we've got a preview over on lmg clips and we have two items remaining from the charity stream just two the corsair 6500x showcase build

and the probably tsa approved regular prototype screwdriver at LMG.GG slash charity leftovers. All right, Dan. Wait, what are we supposed to be doing? Two more topics. Luke, what do you want to talk about? I want to talk about, I had it picked out already, but I moved the script. Where did it go? NAS software update.

Oh, yes. So I have to confess, I have not looked through the package yet. That's actually kind of fun. I like that. Cool. We have an update and screenshots from Eshtech, the company of, if I said that right, the company that is making HexOS. I mean, no one's ever heard of them before, so you are officially the way to pronounce

it. Eshtech. If they say otherwise, they are wrong. Got them. I have decided this got him it's a nas software geared towards tech enthusiasts and content creators currently being led by jonathan penoso and again if if he doesn't think that's how you pronounce it this is just how you pronounce it now um and eric schultz with their mission being to ensure users have complete

control over their data and privacy it was actually spelled wrong in the doc there's two zeds penoso okay that does actually have a way of being pronounced we're off to a great start in my defense there was a letter not there you know you know the amount of criticism i take over supposedly favoring the companies I invest in. If this is any indication. Decide that someone's last name is different and also their company name is just like, who knows? Anyways, anyways. Their mission is to ensure that users have complete control over their data and privacy while filling a gap that delivers high performance and ease of use. Now, do you want to jump to the photos and I'll keep reading?

Sure, I'll jump to the photos. I do not have access to this file. Oh, wait. No, no, I do. Oh, that's so weird. When I moused over it. Hold on. This is so weird.

Check this out. Check this out. Okay. So I moused over it hold on this is so weird you said check this check this out check this out okay so i mouse over it goes you do not have access to this file and then i clicked it and it was all there huh i don't know neat different account of it yeah yeah it must it must have oh yeah yeah okay i opened drive in a different account that's definitely not logged on on this computer don't look at it you know i said different account i bet because you saw over my shoulder that it was all the profile icon anyways hex os is based on trunas scale as we can see on the login screen which is i'm assuming what we're looking at now yeah uh which we use here at lmg true scale not hexos yet at least um and then photo two

one downside people have brought up before is true nas can feel a bit more geared towards sysadmins or people with more nas knowledge in general which is why hexos is aiming to help by making things as simple as possible while still allowing people to do more manual configuration if they feel it's needed. So this is like a wizard type of setup here. So it's like, here's our recommended configuration based on your available devices.

You can totally configure them manually if you want, but this is the recommended configuration. So we've got an SSD pool, one terabyte of usable storage, and it explains in simple English, one drive can fail without data loss. And you know what? Nice.

That's okay, because the advanced user doesn't need you to tell them it's RAID 1. They can clearly see that I have two one terabyte drives and one can fail without data loss so that's raid one good to know hard drive pool 32 terabytes usable one drive can fail without data loss we have five drives we are clearly running raid five or raid z1 sorry to use the uh to use the trunas. It lays all of this out very clearly for me.

Super cool. Yeah. Photo 3. Photo 3. HexOS will be supporting applications such as Plex, Home Assistant, and more with simple one-click installs where some NAS softwares require VMs to be started

or Docker containers, which I'm assuming you can still do. It just also has one-click install yep which is neat um and this is the main reason for this um the main reason for this from from what's up what's the purple button at the bottom say it says go to the dashboard yeah okay okay uh the main reason for this is that a lot of the configuration that you need to do for a plex install or for a home assistant install would be the same on 99.9 percent of systems yeah so essentially all hex os is doing is being like okay why don't we just like the auto-populate those things um it's not even just night it's just it's just um most people when they set up a nas they just want to be able to

via smb or whatever apple uses these days they just want to be able to access their files on the network without faffing about with it or play some video it's not because they're super excited about the home lab necessarily not necessarily about the results of it yes yeah and so why don't we just set it up so that it just works and if you want to tinker with it you can you absolutely can so um anyway okay photo four here we can see a sneak peek at the dashboard as well with pretty basic information that most people would want at a quick glance they are still working on more and i have eshtex word that i will be able to show off a beta version in a video pretty soon that's exciting but in the meantime if you're interested in the project you can head over to hex os h-e-x-o-s.com to sign up for their newsletter

and there's a note from elijah that says i'm building a nas for my upgrade if they have a working beta in august i would be interested in daily driving it if the company is ready very cool so um unique username and floatplane says i hope there's a lot more to this not terribly impressed to be honest and that's fine yeah you can totally still use true nas and it'll be awesome go for it yeah but they're not trying to beat true nas but if i had if i had uh if i had a creator come to us and say like hey i want to i want to set up a nas uh this the idea here is that this will be sorry this will be simple enough that i'm not going to be on a call with them every single month helping them do an

update or helping them set up a user share or helping them change their password or whatever but with the power and performance of trueness that's what it is and so if it's not for you it's not for you i have a spicy question yeah hit me are they monetizing this i don't know yet hopefully somehow yeah because they'll need you somehow yeah they got to make money um i i know they definitely have some ideas but the last thing that i'm gonna do is like commit them to something i mean yeah i think you i think you've had some idea from our conversations not on the wan show of uh how uh how involved of an investor i am yes yeah yeah yeah i just i just noticed i like jumped to the website and was like where's the pricing link and then i was like there is definitely not one yep yeah i'm sure they'll

figure something out all right good luck to them yeah my phone's blowing up hold on it could be something important one moment please yep no worries do you want me to do another topic um yes roku makes some smooth moves permanently enables frame interpolation for some roku tv owners on roku os 13 claim that action smoothing has turned on on their devices and there is no way to turn it off? In the newly released Roku OS 13, Roku TVs now offer Roku Smart Picture that will optimize the image based on what content is being watched. This has activated motion smoothing for some users who never had access to the feature at all in the past.

Interesting. Roku has told users to use the expert settings menu in the TV, Interesting. Incredibly annoying if you already bought the device you could decline the updated TOS by sending a physical letter to the company that included the name of each person opting out yikes dude

yeah it's pretty brutal what did they change in the TOS well they added a clause for forced arbitration. Yeah. These guys are wild. Yikes. Roku. Stop.

Cheap TVs that hate you. Yeah. Very cool. Just rather watching my phone. Anyway, the main reason I wanted to talk about this is it just kind of um i thought it might spark a conversation about products that materially change after you've purchased them and how that's not cool big tech um in some cases we've had stuff taken away and then given back, like some of the features that Google removed from their smart speakers when they were in litigation with Sonos and then ultimately put back some of once that was resolved.

That's not optional, you guys. and I don't really understand why users, why regulators aren't stepping in to make it clear that the features you advertise for the product are not optional. That's not like if I feel like it. The ability to turn off action smoothing is not optional if that was in the product when I bought it yeah or if it didn't even have that feature there's notes in here saying that it turned on action smoothing for tvs that didn't even have action smoothing so people couldn't turn it off because there wasn't in the settings

because the tv wasn't even supposed to have it like yikes dude yeah ty tay back uh brought up plex yeah we haven't worked with plex um since wow it's been a while i feel like 2017 no no no we've worked with them more recently than that hold on uh the last time we worked with plex was in 2022 so it was about two years ago it was mid 2022 and basically i sent an email to our business team um that was pretty much this hold on i'm just gonna zoom it ever no i'm not gonna zoom it now screw it whatever okay you don't have to show it yeah so i sent an email to our business team that was this and i was like here's what they need to fix um here's what i'd like to see fixed and if we work with them again then they need to fix this and um we don't work with them again it's been two years because they're just too busy appealing to their shareholders by

becoming more of a traditional streaming platform and it's like okay i get it but that isn't what you sold me yeah and it doesn't seem like they're moving in a good direction. No, it really doesn't seem like it. Yeah. Yeah. More stuff. There's more things. Yeah, what else do you want to talk about?

Dan, what are we supposed to be doing? Ooh, yeah. I want to talk about this. I want to talk about this. Games, games, games. The whole topic is just called games, games, games. Multiple game announcement showcases just wrapped up and some of them were kind of huge, actually.

The biggest ones include Sony State of Play, Summer Game Fest, Xbox Showcase, which was kind of insane, and Ubisoft Forward. Some of the heaviest hitters revealed are Doom the Dark Ages. Have you seen that? It looks sick. It's like medieval medieval doom i have to confess

i have never completed a doom game you enjoy starting them at least i play it yeah i enjoy benchmarking them but i have the slight crack on benchmarking them i like doom games um this one looks very cool in some of the stuff i've read about it it says like uh they wanted to go back so they had they had some fun with some of the modern doom games tons of bullets lots of movement stuff like that they wanted to go back to an older kind of trope of doom where like every bullet matters it's a little bit slower oh so like ammo yeah ammo's in short supply again you have a shield um you have to kind of like play defensively and counter-attack and things like that it looks really interesting um

gears of war e day which i believe is like a prequel to gears of war it looks really cool uh perfect dark it's probably a name you haven't heard in a little while been a minute um this one i know you know about because you sent it to me and i know uh 117 tax romana nice that looks great i love the theme yeah love the theme yeah roman anno sounds like sick awesome very excited i hope they don't even deviate a ton from what they're currently time to build some roads yeah let's go yeah really um civ 7 i wasn't crazy into civ 6 here's my question yes do we need another civ game until it's been another couple thousand years

and there's some new civilizations to you know like okay okay it just it just no it feels a little bit to me like civilization has gone down the ea sports path where it's except there's no roster change no i don't know okay that's not that's not true that's not true they add game they change the gameplay they actually change it quite a bit i i um i just feel a little bit like i've seen enough innovation on civ and i don't i don't need another civ i'm sorry i think that's fair i play every civ and have enjoyed every civ civ 6 has probably had the least incremental enjoyment out of any of the ones that have come out for me personally um so i'm not like super hyped like i have been every time a civ game has come out for civ 7 but i would be very happily

proven wrong and i'm very ready to probably enjoy it and i will almost certainly play it because i have always really liked civ games um so six's theme song slaps they all slap baba yetu is like one of the best game songs ever uh anyways dragon age the veil guard really really really really enjoyed original dragon age and have never looked back personally, but it is what it is. And many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many more. The Xbox Game Showcase was wild to watch because if I remember correctly,

every single game that was announced was also announced that it was going to be launched full feature on Game Pass day one, which is like pretty wild. To me, it sounds like a horrible step to a dark future to a lot of other people. They're like, yay, free games. It is what it is.

And there was other preview trailers for things like Star Wars Outlaws and Stalker 2 Heart of Chernobyl, which I'm really excited for. But yeah, which are either of you most excited about? And if it's not Stalker 2, why not? Yeah, I'm really excited for uh but yeah which are either of you most excited about and if it's not stalker 2 why not yeah i'm really excited i didn't play stalker good game it was during the busy times yeah of my life i was at ncix at that time um and i was like

building a career and i did game but i played left 4 dead and Team Fortress 2. And that was it. Based games. I was one of those. I, out of these, what am I most excited for? Hmm.

I was like, yeah, I was like just starting my career when Stalker came out. It's going to either be Stalker 2 or ano 117 i think this is gonna be surprising actually kind of stoked for dragon age really i have you watched the trailer i haven't oh is it bad that's a shame a lot of people think it's good i think it's bad i i loved origins the like yes watered down barely even dnd dragon age that's not even that's not the first one oh oh i'm sad yeah i i i have had

a hard time getting into origins wait hold on yeah dragon age origins i thought that was the first one i don't know is it i thought origins was like actually super good yeah i don't know i thought it was good yeah that was just the first one though sure i don't know yeah that one's great whatever uh anyway what i loved about what i what i loved about it was that it wasn't super hardcore um origins was i mean look the only experience i had up till that point are you sure you're talking about Origins? Are you talking about Inquisition or something? No. Okay, yeah.

This isn't a controversial opinion. Everyone liked Origins. Everyone universally liked... It's a... Yeah. Are you sure? Origins is like... Yeah, people like Origins.

I don't know. I thought people didn't like it. Because look, the only experience that I had with D&D style games before that was I tried to play Neverwinter Nights 2 and I was like, what the f*** is this? And I got confused and I gave up. And then I played Dragon Age Origins

thinking that like, yeah, I probably wouldn't get into it. But I super got into it and it was awesome. And it didn't seem that hardcore and i i saw a lot of criticism of it at the time so i wonder if this is one of those things where our memories are are just kind of uh like we don't we look back and we're like oh yeah that was great but then we forget that the only people who remember dragon age origins are the ones who thought it was great

right and all the people who were like yeah watered down i mean gog has it rated 4.6 out of 5 steam has it rated 9 out of 10 um google users have it rated 95 percent okay i mean yeah like i said i thought it was great this is apparently dragon age 1 i loved origins okay yeah uh where do i find on web uh where do i find my uh oh here we go yeah games just because you apparently don't think that i can remember what f***ing games i've played um well no you said it was controversial no no no no no no no no no no hold on a second you're the one that said it was controversial that's why i'm wondering which one you thought it was i'm just gonna i'm just gonna check a thing and you know see if maybe i see ian xmas this is this is exactly what maybe i can't remember you said it was controversial games i played i remember what

games i play luke ian xmas said dragon age origins was great the sequels got progressively worse that's exactly what I remember as well. Everyone liked Origins, and then it went downhill from there. Okay, I didn't play any of the sequels. And this looks like from the trailer, which means next to nothing. So don't take this as anything. This next one looks like a progression down the path that they've been going down. I apparently didn't care at all about awakening yeah see like that sounds about right okay

but i think no that was an expansion pack for dragon age origins but i just i thought that was two i really know it's origins to inquisition and then whatever i just uh not line to see you the dummy what are you talking about i know what i all i'm saying is i know what game i played yeah he's right about the game that he played and he liked it because it was good so that makes Not Linus, you the dummy. What are you talking about? I know what, all I'm saying is I know what game I played. Yeah, he's right about the game that he played, and he liked it because it was good. So that makes sense. Okay, well, anyway, I didn't look at the trailer for Dragon Age, whatever we're talking about.

Did you look at the gameplay trailer? Go look at the gameplay, not the trailer. Okay, I have not seen the gameplay. I just saw the trailer, and the trailer was not interesting. And Anno has a bit of a pattern where every other one is good and every other one is bad. No, no. Yeah so yeah i don't know it might be great rome is a great setting for anno but i have no idea um if it'll actually be good i've got some hope because all of the expansions were really strong they like actually were 1800 so 1800 was a sick game still is and yes new anno

means no more dlc i mean they did so much more dlc than they kept building like super awesome dlc for that game i don't think you can complain about there not being enough dlc yeah ano 1800 was a super well supported game and the dlc had value like they'd launch a dlc pack and there would be a ton to do like it was actually an expansion which was really cool honestly thought ano and civ were the same rip no they are very different quite different yeah like turn-based versus not turn-based why not keep playing 1800 you can that's fine oh yeah you totally can that's just a really great thing about it because rome is such a good setting we're hoping that yeah 117 is yeah it'll just be like, it'll be fresh, you know?

Yeah. Fresh. Fresh is good. Fresh is good. All right. What are we looking at? Oh, we should do sponsors. We should have done them a long time ago.

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did, or ate in Taiwan? Also, any news on when beanies will be back in stock? I love soup dumplings. Oh, agreed. I think we're working be back in stock? I love soup dumplings. Agreed. I think we're working on beanies, but I have no idea. You know what? Overrated. Dude, every time I go to the restaurant that everyone recommends, I'm like, eh, it's fine.

And it was fine. Yeah. It was good. Yvonne liked their soup dumplings better. But honestly, one of the places that Dennis recommended that was super close to our hotel, I liked the soup dumplings better. They were bigger. There was a place that Dennis recommended that there's a photo of you, Jono, and I sitting there

eating dumplings from like, I don't know, 2019 or something. Must have been like six years ago or something, yeah. Yeah. That place was killer. Don't remember where it was. Nice. But it was awesome. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, no yeah yeah no soup dumplings man i love soup dumplings uh i i ended up at a really um unusual dinner so i play

badminton over there and i have like i have like kind of like badminton friends in taiwan now because i'm just like that white guy that comes here once a year and is like decent or something so like they know they recognize me every time i love that i love that they don't like know you from youtube yeah no no no you're like random white badminton dude yeah some of them know now sure but after the fact but no i was i was so cool i was 100 random white badminton guy yeah that's like awesome because they had fully embraced you before they knew the youtube oh yeah which is awesome very like oh they're so grand for the taiwanese people so friendly yeah um anyway so on the subject of being like ridiculously friendly having only played with these guys a couple of times over the last three years um they were like

oh your wife is coming this time well we'd love to take you out for dinner after badminton on on this night and so we went to like a super authentic hole in the wall with our like badminton friends who like speak english like you know kind of you know about like you know you'd expect and um and the food was great uh we just had we had like like pork rice and just like i actually i'm gonna be honest with you i don't know what half of it was that's a common occurrence but it was great so you asked me like what the food was that was good and i'm like i don't know whatever was on those plates that's fair it was pretty all right i'm trying to find right now there's a there's a place that i stayed with emma um that was like crazy cool i'm trying to figure out how i would

be able to share it with the stream um and i'm having a hard time doing that because it's all like chinese characters so like i don't really know how to share that but um i stay there with emma you show up at 2 p.m on one day you leave at 2 p.m the next day i wouldn't call it an airbnb because you like do stuff like the the host is hosting not like oh here's a key and then bailing out but you stay on a farm um with native with a like a native taiwanese tribe it's a it's a it's a son and mom that run this thing there's two different groups that can stay there at a time when you show up one of the first things that you do is you go cut down bamboo and then you like cut the like side branches off whatever haul it back cut it into sections because when you look at bamboo the rings are solid through so you you cut it right before the

next ring so you have one side that's solid one side that's open you stuff rice inside of there cap it off with cabbage and water and then cook it and you make your own rice in these like bamboo things um so you kind of prep your food pretty quickly you do a like art project where you're you're uh taking like wood burning irons and burning into wood like whatever you want you go up into the mountains and pick tea that you're going to drink later because the native tribe farms oolong tea. So you get to pick tea, you get to like, well,

do you have any for me? No. Well, actually, yeah, short and destroyed. I didn't see that coming at all.

He never does. He's too tall. Sneak up on him, bite his ankle. I actually do have a bag of it for you too. But anyways, um, it was, it was amazing. tall sneak up on him bite his ankles i actually do have a bag of it for you too but anyways um it was it was amazing then the next day um you you take some more of that rice that you made and they have a stump that they've hollowed a bowl out on it and they have a huge club and you

put some of the rice in the stump and you bash it with this big club you'll take turns doing it and i had no idea mochi was just rice that had been like beaten really hard that's what mochi is cool i guess i don't know so you make your own mochi and then they have honey from the farm that they pour on this mochi that you just made like you you get a stick roll it around it so you have a little bit of stick on the stick pour honey on it and then roll it around in crushed peanuts and you have honey crushed peanut mochi it's so good it's so good it was amazing anyways this place you can find it you might have some trouble someone said apparently a season of amazing race featured this village insomniac and floatplane chat said that oh this is like a house it's not oh okay yeah all righty then um

the village there is a village but this particular thing is i remember you telling me that the first thing they told you was like how did you find us yeah so yeah so i show up and it's like beautiful day you're way up in the mountains so you get this effect called the sea of clouds where the clouds are slightly below where you're at and it looks really cool i have some really cool time lapse footage i took on my phone yeah um and he's he's like serving us this like freshly picked oolong tea it's really cool vibes and stuff and he's he's cheerily kind of trying to converse with us through google translate or whatever and then he gets a fairly serious voice and it's like how did you find this um because i'm assuming we're like the first white

people they've really had i don't know that's just my guess this um because i'm assuming we're like the first white people they've really had i don't know that's just my guess um and i explained to him that like i we had some change of plans because of the earthquake that happened in taiwan a lot of the things that i wanted to do were closed um so we decided to go into alishan which is like tea country um and i was just looking around on google maps which is something that i like to do instead of looking on like tripadvisor i'll just look on google maps and just click on things that are kind of in the middle of nowhere to see what's going on um and i found this place and the the pictures on google maps are like insane they're so cool and then they have an instagram and you have to go to their instagram to get their line contact

and you have to talk to them online to book an appointment when he says online he doesn't mean online like on the internet he means line messenger yeah yeah so i didn't even have line before so i oh man dude got it dude i i am i am a popular boy online because of the badminton stuff yeah i uh check this out check this out this is my uh this is my badminton stuff? Yeah. Check this out. Check this out. This is my badminton address book. I never launched this app, so it takes a second. Basically like... Whoa. And they all have the shuttle emojis.

That's pretty great. Anyways, if you can try to find it, it's 605 Taiwan, Chiayi County, Alishan Township. And then the name is like 11, like the number 11, and then some stuff that I can't say. Nice. Here.

Sure. Yeah, that. Good luck. No idea what that means. All right. Have fun. Yep. If you can find it say i sent you what else we got for this week uh tile it to the judge what oh wait are we supposed to

be in your merch messages that was one oh nice hey dll uh it feels like back in the day when a game didn't run great they would blame their own hardware well these days it feels like back in the day when a game didn't run great they would blame their own hardware well these days it feels like people only blame the game developer what changed um okay so a couple a lot of things changed uh one of the things that changed is that the hardware was moving really really fast uh it was more affordable in some ways like a full platform actually cost about as much as it does today i mean probably more than it does today if you account for inflation um like you go back and you look at like a london drugs catalog from you know 1998 it's like oh yeah computers were really expensive um you buy a computer today like you can buy a

tricked out system for what i take it sorry for what a computer would have cost back then yeah like an average mid to low range laptop was like three grand yeah like computers are actually like pretty cheap today yeah um but what has changed today is that the upgrade cycle is a lot slower now, actually. You expect your computer from five years ago to run a new game because that's how things work. Developers are not necessarily targeting the next thing that's coming with their games because they don't really need to. Games can look really really great yeah and still target hardware from five years ago so when something comes out that really pushes your hardware um i think that it's a little bit jarring especially when a lot

of the time uh what what happened for especially like the ps3 xbox 360 era was that the only reason it wouldn't run well on your pc was that the port was really badly done and and by badly i mean like it was really hard to port games across those three very different platforms so there's there's a lot of things that have sort of contributed to people's expectations changing it used to be that a game wouldn't run well on your system because you didn't upgrade your system like like you know you weren't direct x compliant like things were moving so flippant fast and then for a long time the only reason something wouldn't run on your pc was because the game developer didn't optimize the port correctly nowadays i would say it's not

really either of those things and it's probably just kind of somewhere somewhere in between um or it's it's sometimes one sometimes the other but that's i i think that's probably where our attitude shifted if i had to guess yeah yeah sounds good sounds right all right thanks i don't have anything to add really there's like i mean there's the it used to be kind of fun and also normal that people would do really small incremental updates. You'd have conversations with people about how they bought a CPU or a couple more sticks of RAM or something. I would more often have those conversations than someone buying a new computer, and now it's completely flipped. I very rarely hear of anyone upgrading individual components.

I almost exclusively hear people buying a new computer and often way down the line, four years, five years often. Um, and we had this discussion earlier in the show. There's been a little bit of developer laziness and before people freak out, I think it's been fairly reasonable developer laziness.

They don't have to do the things that they used to have to do. The constraints aren't there anymore. So why bother waste a huge amount of cycles on trying to make these little efficiency improvements when you don't need to? There's almost no reason to do so. A lot of games, art styles these days aren't even that hard to push.

So who cares? It's fun and interesting when when companies do it but it's like yeah it's probably okay this is kind of a cool idea stay the path says i'm on a three-year upgrade cycle gpu motherboard cpu ram monitor repeat that actually hold on that's a long time to not upgrade your gpu nine years no that doesn't seem quite right. Unless you mean you do it every year. Oh, that's really often to upgrade your monitor, though. Mind you, monitors have been moving really fast. Okay, maybe if you're doing one of those things a year

and like a three-year rotation, maybe that's all right. Or you could just do it whenever things are too slow, and that would be fine, too. Or when it feels right. But for budgeting purposes, I can see how someone might like to have things scheduled, like a business, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah. So Tile it to the judge. Life 360 hacked. Life 360, the parent company of Tile, announced this week that it had received emails from a hacker who claimed to possess tile customer data after investigating the company found that someone had gained unauthorized access to a tile customer support platform 404 media interviewed the hacker who

claimed they had gained access to multiple internal tools and this is great including the one that processes location data requests for law enforcement yeah he's reading ahead for law enforcement the hacker sent 404 media all the data they scraped including names physical addresses email addresses and phone numbers which the outlet was able to verify by trying to create tile accounts using some of the emails as well as using some emails to contact affected users when tile was contacted by 404 media the company suggested it was not aware of what data had been taken until 404 media shared data samples for verification after which life 360 updated their announcement so this is

pretty bad discussion question how worried should consumers be about the current state of data security terrified very all right i don't even know what else to say we've been talking about this on wancho forever everything is like you should treat everything as compromised basically our next topic way more trouble than it's worth second recall for robo taxis waymo has issued a voluntary recall of its mapping software after one of its driverless vehicles hit a telephone pole while trying to pick up a passenger last month no one was hurt but waymo said the issue was that its software assigned a low damage score to telephone poles were they playing gta or uh research by waymo suggests their driverless cars are safer than human drivers being 6.7 times less likely to be in a crash having said that there are far fewer autonomous there is far less

autonomous driving data compared to human driving data and uh not all human driving data is is equal there's a lot of different circumstances and the way that you sample it does significantly impact um the the the assessment um there there were some there were some there were some stands extremely upset about us talking about how tesla's full self-driving on hardware platform 3.0 is effectively a lie um because they were extremely upset because their stands um that was in our ai's live video where we're basically like yeah it's got what like 150 tops or something like that hardware 3.0 and it's one of those things where um yeah it's it's really cool technology and it's like it's it's super cool but what it isn't is ever going to be capable of fully autonomous operation um and waymo even though it i i actually don't know exactly what hardware they're using but it might be of a similar caliber but the difference is that waymo has a sensor array that is vastly

different than what tesla is doing where they've essentially committed to just trying to do everything with cameras i think have they backed out have they have they gone back on that are they back to putting lighter on the vehicles i know they definitely have vehicles i don't think so that uh i know they have vehicles that are all cameras now apparently it's still all cameras yeah that's such a yikes and so for for to see stands in the comments they're being like lannis has no idea what he's talking about it's look how good it is now it's definitely coming guys that's yeah it could get twice as good as it is today, and it would still not be able to handle edge cases, and it's still not going to be a fully autonomous vehicle.

It may be able to operate autonomously under certain ideal conditions, but that's not what you were sold, and that was my whole point. I found an article from The Verge from May 7th saying that Tesla bought over $2 million dollars worth of lidar sensors from luminar this year okay so are they back to lidar now well they're not in cars as far as my understanding goes but maybe they'll put them in the semis or something i'm not sure yeah maybe

the semi could be like actually autonomous that's that's something that's really interesting to me is um something that i i just kind of couldn't wrap my brain around and then never thought about again was one of the challenges of these vehicles is that because they are because all of their sensors are integrated in a way that is visually pleasing they can't see for right like they they have only a human a human level of of like um a human's point of view whereas something like a semi oh yeah effectively like because you look at some of the like that episode of silicon valley where where he rides in that driverless vehicle that has like the giant like sensor array on it. Something like that always made a little bit more sense to me because I couldn't figure out how, from a driver's perspective,

you could possibly hope to have enough situational awareness to have a computer operate this thing. Whereas on the semis, I could actually see them having enough awareness of their surroundings that it could make a material difference just being up higher just on the front though no it could be i don't think they'd attach things to whatever you can kind of be out and back yeah okay that'd give you a pretty darn good view and then you know you'll still have the classic blind spot you'll still have that blind spot but like realistically then put a sign on the back of the semi that says if

you can't see my mirrors i can't see you and your mirror is a camera like i i don't i don't see the difference there oh no i'm not saying it's like worse or anything just yeah sorry semi you guys want me to call it a semi we call them both we don't care canadians are like that zz who gives a what would you say semi yeah whatever yeah i know i've heard both i don't know sorry america we use metric and imperial lorry all right you know what let's do it they're lorries to me from now on good old lorry yeah oh man anywayans get over it um what else we got deep cool coolers are now illegal in the u.s what yeah the u.s department of the treasury sanctioned 16 chinese companies including deep cool for supplying goods to russia deep cool allegedly sold over one million dollars worth of goods to two russian companies i hope it

was worth it for a million dollars yeah uh one appears to be a small logistics company the other company sells computers um yeah whoops well way to go deep cool what's crazy about this is by the letter of the law if you have stock of deep cool coolers right now and you sell them you're like breaking the law why what does that mean i don't know if you're new egg.com and you sell a deep cool even though you like i thought you meant stocks like stock market stocks no no no no okay if you have if you have coolers in stock yeah so that that kind of blows um that is rough yeah yeah brutal sorry new egg and other computer sellers um it's one banana linus uh plasmator says i'm not a tesla stand but when folks say no lidar i often challenge them to describe in technical detail why it's required because cameras are subject to very very very distortion from small amounts of

element that is very very common water there you go there's your very technical um explanation of why lidar is necessary as a backup to cameras and why cameras are not enough on their own um which everyone knew um back then and still knows now i think i think the wisdom that i've heard is that the like if you're 100 relying on lidar it's it's bad yes but then if you're 100% relying on LIDAR, it's bad. Yes. But then if you're 100% relying on cameras, it's bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So just do both. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously it costs more, but it is what it is.

Yeah, it costs more. But if you actually in good faith ever intended to deliver a fully autonomous vehicle, then you better make the investment. Yeah. There's a game, the second highest player count on Steam this game has. It's called Banana. Oh, God. I saw this when I was just walking somewhere today and I was reading this.

It was one of those articles where by the end of it, I realized that my mouth was open. I just couldn't believe it. Sorry, sorry. Go on, go on. It's a game where you click a JPEG of a banana. It's a copy of a game called Egg. And that's not

me saying it's a copy of that game. One of the devs just admitted it in an interview with Polygon. But the more you click the picture of this banana, the higher the chance you'll earn a banana skin. I think we would prefer it was called peel. But anyways, you can sell these banana skins on Steam's marketplace.

Most of the skins sell for cents, but rarer ones are worth a lot more. According to Polygon, once actually sold. Really? Really? One skin sold. It's got to be market manipulation. For $1,378.58. It turns out that many of these players aren't real,

as people are using bots and fake accounts to try to get rare drops. I'm sure people are just using auto-clickers well stuff like that wow wow what does it say about society that thousands of people are clicking on a banana to try to make a buck i suspect for the average person they'll pay more in electricity trying to do this than they'll actually make um yeah we don't have to discuss it any further i just thought it was funny i think it's just like a worse version of cookie clicker i feel like cookie clicker is just happening again but this time it's a banana and there's no other mechanics in the game but it's also real money in other news as part of the starfields creations update bethesda added trackers alliance missions to the game the first of several particularly mad about this but

i'll wait to explain why the first of several missions enabling you to live your best bounty hunting life this that's a quote the first mission is free the first one's always free but the second mission costs 700 creation credits that's equivalent to seven dollars except you have to buy at least a thousand creation credits to be able to afford it in addition the quest seems to take about 15 minutes based on the length of a full gameplay walkthrough from youtuber sad pickle some people seem to be arguing this isn't that big of a deal because speedrunners are able to beat balder's gate three in 10 minutes or less okay there's no way that's obviously no that's

a joke it's calm down there's no way that's not luke luke i'm so mad luke the reason why i'm so mad hold on look into my eyes settle down this game broke my soul luke settle down i'm so mad luke you're still mad luke settle down he's twitching his face is twitching when i first sat down to play starfield i decided to look into nothing this is how i like playing bethesda games i like to just explore the world as broken as it is and which sometimes is kind of fun. Yep. Yep. That's fine.

It's okay. Yep. Remember the like eyeballs? Yeah. It wasn't fun in Starfield. Yeah. Okay. One of the first things I tried to do, and I was really excited about it, was I found

the Trackers Alliance. I was like, oh, sick. There's a bounty hunting faction. Yeah. That is so cool. I remember you telling me this. Yeah. Because I was like, okay, in Elder Scrolls, we have like the thieves guild the fighters guild the mages guilds whatever so i

was like okay there's gonna be that because it's a bethesda game and the one of the first things i found was the trackers alliance and i was so excited because i was like cool bounty hunting mission storyline eventually end up being the like kingpin of the bounty hunter guys this is going to be great this is gonna be super fun it wasn't a faction it was a mission board that there was no reason at all for you to interact with it gave you very little credits the missions were incredibly shallow and boring it would just like pick a random unimportant npc as far as i can tell what would happen it was just like pick or generate a random unimportant npc in the middle of absolutely nowhere 99 of the time you would warp their land bang it's an incredibly easy game so you just kill them easily every single time get back on your ship warp back hello i got a very incredibly small amount of money nice so disappointing they add the missions to the

game finally i'm sitting here thinking okay they've sort of figured it out with fallout 76 it feels like i'm not going to jump into it but some people are actually having fun many years later nice so that's cool maybe they'll do a cyberpunk with starfield right and i'm hearing about the new update that's coming out there's a new expansion coming out all this kind of stuff you know maybe they'll figure it out maybe they'll figure it out and then this drops and i'm not even going to update the game let alone launch it nice go yourself nice japan passes a dma-like law um and i don't mean direct memory access i mean digital markets act so this is similar to the eu's um digital markets act law um so it labels designated providers um it labels it requires companies labeled designated providers to abide

by certain rules like the dma google and apple have companies labeled designated providers to abide by certain rules like the dma google and apple have been named designated providers and under the law they will be required to allow third-party app stores allow app developers to offer third-party billing services and other requirements there are exceptions for privacy and security according to the verge providers not following the rules can be fined up to 20 percent of the domestic revenue specific to the infringing service, increasing to 30% for repeat offenses, basically taking all the money that they make from these infringing services. Pretty cool. A discussion question aside from Fortnite coming back to iOS in Japan next year, what do you think are the biggest benefits of this law? I mean,

I think the biggest benefit is just that this is putting more pressure on Apple and Google to behave nicely, kind of like i talked about with where apple's attitude is clearly changing to be less customer antagonistic and more okay if that's what you want then we should probably do that because you're not just locked into our ecosystem we actually like have to earn this again yeah this is a good thing it's very good it's a very good thing you should like competition regardless of whether you liked uh the iphone exactly the way it was or whether you want other people to also like it um because it will just get better it's a good good thing yeah um the raspberry pi speaking of good things this doesn't seem as good a raspberry pi has gone

public in an interview shortly after the 2012 launch the pi inventor eban upton said they're designed to be cheap enough that a child can buy one with their pocket money however in recent years it's become next to impossible to buy a raspberry pi at retail price with most production being reserved for business customers with this ipo raspberry pi limited the hardware manufacturer will no longer be a subsidiary of the non-profit Raspberry Pi Foundation. It says charity, but I think it's more of a not-for-profit. Don't quote me on that. The foundation owned more than 70% of shares before the IPO

and will reportedly sell up to 10% of its holding. Shares have climbed to $4.20. Nice. After Tuesday's IPO at $2.80. And I mean pounds, sorry, not dollars. These are a GBP.

The response of the community has been generally negative calling the move, perhaps the end of Raspberry Pi as we know it. And the beginning of the end with one Redditor declaring, let the inchification begin. Sounds about right. Already been happening. I mean, it's already basically

been happening it's been clear that they're they've lost their way for some time at this point which kind of sucks because like it seems like they could have just you know still been really profitable and done really great i mean my okay my one the one thing that i could hope for is that by raising this cash they are able to invest in more manufacturing which would be good because then maybe we could actually bloody well buy one at msrp that's that's my hope that's my hope yeah um oliver bryant says terrible news no way we can ever stop this from happening can't trust anyone yeah yeah money kind of ruins everything yeah like i'd like to say that like it'll be fine but i don't have a lot of speaking of money how about this message from our sponsor no uh in all seriousness dan why is the savage jerky on the table are we allowed to eat it i think it just

gets left i don't know oh okay business hello um well. Hello? Well, I'm going to try Barbecue Bandit, and I have no idea if there's supposed to be a lower third for it. So why don't we call out the regular sponsor that we're definitely supposed to talk about, Secret Lab. Hey, look, my chair is Secret Lab. And then I'm just going to eat some jerky because I'm hungry. Anywho, Dan, I think it's time for After Dark. Sure, yeah, absolutely. All sure yeah absolutely cool let's do it

i uh i had conrad change the banner to after dark button color so i stopped pushing it it happened twice and that was too many times there we go one of these days after dark should have flying toasters as the icon some people will get it conrad don't listen yeah there's lots of work oh he's already done it no no no no okay uh let's see what do we got here hey dlo what goes into the decision to discontinue items if is it they're no longer selling well, or are there potentially other factors like potential revamps? For example, sweatshorts, RGB sweaters, or flannels?

There you go. It's just a screensaver that came with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, I completely wasn't listening because I was Googling after dark. Why do we discontinue items? What leads to that decision? yeah yeah yeah um sorry i completely wasn't listening because i was googling after dark why do we discontinue items what's what's what leads to that decision okay yeah um sometimes it's like if it's not selling anymore or if the supplier that we were working with is we are no longer able to work with them for some reason or another you might be able to guess um yeah well there's lots there's lots of different reasons a lot of them they wouldn't guess that's fair yeah um sometimes we're we have something new coming that we think kind of um makes the

old one not necessary anymore there's there's a lot of different reasons do you have any updates regarding the backpack you gave to the miner? No. I don't know that we will. Yeah. Hello, DLL. I suspect it will end up similarly to the first one. Eviscerated. Yeah. Hello, DLL.

I love using my AirPods primarily because of its spatial audio for movies and TV. How important is 3D audio, such as Dolby Atmos, for you, and do you think it's being implemented well in mobile? I got to confess, it's not the most important thing to me. ANC is probably closer to up there. ANC is super important. Having a really strong center channel is really important to me um i sometimes struggle to hear dialogue over the score and um i find that for me not like when i miss something it distracts me for an extended period

of time i often just have to go back yeah um and so yeah having a really strong center channel is really great for me i i i personally find that most movies too like even ones that are like best enjoyed on dolby atmos god i can multitask i keyed it even ones that are best enjoyed on um dolby atmos I love that I keyed it. We'll have at most a handful of scenes where a helicopter goes over and you're like, whoa, that was cool.

Where you can tell they put it in just so that it's there. It's not really that integral. If you told me that for the rest of my life I could only have at most a 3.1 setup, I'd be like, okay. Right?

Like it's not bad, obviously. If I was building a dedicated home theater room, I would put lots of channels in it. But yeah, no, I just, it's not that big of a deal to me personally. I'm a high school student that has been programming as both a hobby and career. Do you have any advice on what languages or technologies or even soft skills I should learn for a career in web dev after college? Work on your people skills.

I'm actually serious. Yeah. Learn to present. Learn to sell. skills i'm actually serious yeah learn to present learn to sell sales is is if you can sell you can you can kind of parlay that skill into success in any field and when i say sell i i don't mean sell like a widget i mean i mean sell mean, sell, sell yourself, sell your ideas, learn to pitch, learn to pitch ideas. It's so important because you can make your own career path that day. Like unless you're at an enormous company, there is, there is room to, to talk to people and,

and to negotiate on just about anything. And if you have a really great idea and you can sell it, then you can end up working on stuff you want to work on, not every day, every career has some slog in it, but you can end up working on things you're passionate about and excited about a lot more often. So yeah, work on that. Because sometimes you also have to understand that you're not, you might be selling through the person that you're quote-unquote selling to.

Like, the person might even buy your idea really quick, but then they need enough ammo to sell it to the customer or to sell it further on in the company. So you need to give them enough to make their job easy so that they actually want to do it. It because it might not be their job, really, their job is managing you. And if you want to do this new thing, you need to give them enough ammo that they're going to be able to fight for it easily. So they actually want to do that. Yeah, I agree with all of that. It sounds like you're you're already flexing your actual development skills well enough.

It sounds like you're already flexing your actual development skills well enough. But the people skills thing will help a lot because it's actually pretty hard to get managers in the development space. So there's a surprisingly easy career path there because there's... And you have to know the development because you have to be able to speak the language. And I mean that figuratively and literally, right? Like you have to be able to communicate between the normies that make business decisions and the developers that do the work, right? And a lot of the time,

those people have absolutely no common ground, no hope of interacting with each other in a productive way. So it's a really cool, it's a really cool place to be. Like, I mean, okay, even for me, I'm relatively technical, but I don't know development. So if I was to try to work on a project, like, you know, let's say I wanted to do the badminton center thing with the machine vision scorekeeping how would i have any idea if someone's just completely bullshitting me on their resume if someone told me this takes a year i'd be like okay And, and think about that. Even if you scaled way up, right.

In an enormous organization, you need people who can call developers on their shit. Right. No, that doesn't take a year. Stop playing banana clicker and get to work. This should be deliverable in two weeks, you know,

or, or whatever it is. Right. And so that's a really valuable skill. And I mean, yeah, you're not actually like doing the work and, you know or or whatever it is right and so that's a really valuable skill and i mean yeah you're not actually like doing the work and you know middle management sucks or whatever but it has a value in that it reduces waste you might also be able to find a position um where you do kind of like half and half you still do actual like you're you're actually still submitting code but you're also managing people it's not always but it's you can find it i'm a tech for a large oem regularly let into server

rooms with no id verification and left alone for hours have you ever had anyone try to access sensitive areas by social engineering employees physically iically? I don't think so. I don't think so. I've caught us having some pretty notable vulnerabilities there, and we're working on it, but I don't think it's ever actually happened. Which isn't an invitation. No. We'll catch you. They're all actually sort of

but for a different reason I don't want to go into the details and it was absolutely caught by Alex D he did a great job I think it was him I heard through grapevine of what happened I know it was

he was involved I don't know if it was actually him that did it, but yeah, someone noticed something was fishy and stopped it. Person was not allowed in the building. Nice. Yeah, it was good. Nice.

Yeah. We're still a small enough company that people legitimately will mostly recognize everyone who works here. It wasn't just a not recognized. It was like they sniffed it out. Oh, nice. It was sus.

Yeah. It was good. Good job. i this is all i heard it third party i don't know but the information that i heard third party was very good great great job done getting my almost nine-year-old son a pc any tips on setting up a pc for kid-friendly use or controlling the environment a little more steam family sharing is a good start but any other kid gamer tips windows does technically have management tools they kind of suck um other than the other than setting that up um steam family sharing yep steam family sharing super good uh there's no substitute for supervision so just making sure you're kind of on top of that that's about all you can really do

Hi, WAN.dll I'm using my Steam deck to beat some NES games that I never could as a kid you've talked about your favorite SNES or Genesis games but what's your favorite NES game? I didn't have a NES me neither my friend did.

Yeah, my friend did. Axel, if you're out there, thanks for letting me use your Ness. Adam, if you're out there, thanks for letting me use your Ness. They both start with A's. I don't know what's up with that, but... Nothing.

I mean, it's a 1 in 26 chance. It's also a pretty common one. Yeah, it's way less than 1 in 26. Than like Axel's. Yeah, exactly. What are you even talking about? I don't know. I'm just... But yeah yeah i don't know i i guess yeah duck hunt i don't know i enjoyed it he only had like three

games he had like duck hunt super mario bros and blade blades of steel or whatever the like i i could still i could still hear it in my mind i can't say it in that low fidelity yeah i think it's like it's yeah it was so bad that was probably pretty good actually oh man next up yes uh this week my dad got a top spec macbook pro to browse on nearly 3200 i've since got him to return it for a base model air have you ever had someone unnecessarily get the top of the line product oh that's interesting that's got to happen in the automotive industry all the time any why are you going to make it a personal attack any car older than uh you know five years um man yeah i'm trying to think in my life people

generally ask me before they buy a tech thing yeah i'm trying i don't i don't have a lot of experience i don't think it really happens that much um i mean there's definitely people internally here who have spent way too much money on tech stuff that i'm just like whoa i mean do you even watch the videos you edit but um not like in my personal life i don't think this is a spoiler doing scrapyard wars made me want to do like a home theater build or something oh just because it's so affordable right now seems like a good time you can get a gpu with like rtx like hdr whatever like you can get like a 2060 pc with a decent enough processor for like

next to nothing it's the capture card that's going to kill you because i don't think the used market for good capture cards is going to be that great i have a capture card though i have an external capture then you're solid then you're good to go buddy yeah i mean i could i can actually i can verify that i'm on marketplace right now yeah yeah okay like a good brand name capture card is still going to cost you money i mean this 25 rando one might be fine but if you want like something from i mean wow it's like basically elgato or rando there's an even media i didn't realize how much they ran that now it makes sense i guess but yeah man elgato is like like do these guys do these guys have effectively a mindshare monopoly or like what what is going on here like there's one avermedia elgato elgato elgato uh elgato elato. You green of all people.

Elgato. Elgato. Elgato. Elgato. Elgato. It's crazy. Anywho. Hey, DLL. I know Linus is a big fan of badminton

and badminton gear. Are there plans to create... Are there plans in creating and selling badminton-related gear for ltdstore.com or the Pro Shop at the new badminton location? I don't think that we're going to do the kind of volume that we would need to do in the Pro Shop to create

specific products for it, but we will sell our water bottles in there and stuff, I think. And I think one of the last ones I've got here it's really expensive what's expensive uh i have an old epiphan avio not 4k those are like 400 bucks not 4k oh okay and i did not spend 400 on it still it's like 200 bucks at least what are those worth now i don't know it didn't cost me that much back in the day. I don't know if I got it from here or what. Probably.

Probably. We had a handful. Yeah. You have like an AVI-OHD? I think so. I don't think they've come down in price basically at all. I think they have FPGAs in them. That would be my guess.

Yeah, that'll do it. Makes sense. Last one I've got for you here. Hi, LLD. What's a piece of tech that you've never had to upgrade over the years despite new versions of it being released all the time oh i still have um i still have my old harmony remote from like when i did a review of the harmony remote so when when was that my guess is like 2011 no it would have been more recent than that oh goodness not by much uh 2014 oh i thought this was like before so i am still i i still have this harmony remote

deployed right now did you have one before this nope this was my first one oh weird i got it and i deployed it and i used it forever yep harmony remote it's the old setup okay all right that's it um sorry for the shorter show um there was a loss in my family yesterday and the reason i'm bringing it up is that it may impact our schedule next friday okay um i'll make whatever work i'd like to keep the streak alive but wansho may be at a different time next week so what we're looking at is um i will have to be in the city at around um like morning before when show would normally start yeah um so with that in mind i would really rather do um don't do ultra late or ultra not my kids not my wife but immediate family so i'm probably going to be there were a couple people who noticed in chat today i'm a little off today i'm a little off today um i thought you did splendidly thank you um i would like it to not be after because

i'm probably going to be obliterated totally so we may have to do a bit of an early win show next week morning show sounds fun to me okay so maybe just let the let the crew know and uh we'll uh we'll maybe do that if that works yeah all right thank you guys we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye i'm tired and it's time to go home Outro Music