The WAN Show - USB Branding Changed Again... - WAN Show September 30, 2022

Episode Date: October 3, 2022

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Welcome to the WAN Show everyone, we've got a great show lined up for you today. Lots of fantastic topics actually, we have far, far too much to talk about. I said fart. Oh. Fart too much. Exquisite. Rest in peace Stadia, we hardly knew ye. That's right, we'll be discussing the, seems inevitable wasn't it? Downfall of Google Stadia.

We'll also be talking about Ryzen 7000, hot or not. Now that Intel has shown their cards, we are much better equipped to talk about who we think is going to be taking the lead in this generation of gaming performance. What else we got today? We're going to be talking about the extremely exciting things that I did yesterday. Whatever that is. And we're going to be talking about some other stuff.

Really, Luke? USB branding? Yeah, USB branding! They're changing it again! USB to kill off super speed and USB 4 branding. What? What's happening? What is going on? If anything, those were your better ones. What are you doing? I'm rolling the branding. What? What's happening? What is going on? If anything, those were your better ones. What are you doing?

I'm rolling the intro. What? Oh. Stop it. all right why don't we jump right into the headline topic today which is that the usb implementers forum is changing the branding again i just want to I just want to give a shout out to GD Felt over on the forum. Long time member, first time poster. I actually don't know if you're a long time member.

First post on the forum in 2019. Okay, so why don't we go through some of what has led up to this moment. In 2019... Not a long time member. The USB- if implemented the following name changes they took usb 3.0 which was pretty self-explanatory you get it it's the first one it's usb 3 you had your usb 1 and 1.1 okay that was the slow one then you had your usb 2 okay that was the fast one then you had your usb 3 that was the faster one okay easy

good okay they renamed usb 3.0 which was good to the usb 3.1 gen 1 which is bad okay they renamed usb 3.1 which was i don't even remember now Was that the one that was like 10 gigabit? I don't remember what the differentiation is I don't remember anymore But that got renamed to Usb 3.1 Gen 2 Then later It was actually renamed to

3.2 Gen 2 And then Usb 3.2 Got renamed to Usb 3.2 got renamed to USB 3.2 Gen 2x2. The group sought to make things easier for consumers by recommending to vendors that they label products not by their specification name, but by super speed USB followed by the max speed. Which, in my opinion, pretty okay. Not bad. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So, for example, with that guidance, USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 would become super speed USB 20 gigabit per second. Okay, so now the USB-IF is recommending that vendors just drop the super speed. So USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 super speed USB 20 gigabit per second is now USB 20 gigabit per second. I like it. That's actually fine. I didn't actually know the conclusion to this when we got into it.

You know what's really great about it? The best thing about it is that that's what I've been doing for years. Yeah. Because no one says super speed USB. Instead of trying to do any of this, like you guys watch me, watch me. And I don't always do it because it wasn't a formal naming convention. It was just something that I did because it was the only thing that could possibly make sense of this for me.

Is I'll be holding up a laptop or I'll be looking at the back eye of a motherboard and I'll be like, yeah, it's got four USB 10 gigabit ports. Because that's the only thing anyone cared about was how fast does it go? I don't care by how many things of what- Super speed, whatever. Gen thing it is. I did like the logo setups that they had for it. That's a weird curve ball that I'll throw out there.

Okay. I didn't mind that. So they have good graphic designers and bad product naming people. Well, no, like here, I'm trying to find one. I found an article from How to Geek that might have it. If I can find it. No, it showed on Google Images. I hate how Google Images works now.

Can I use this? I still get angry when I right click a Google search result and go to paste it somewhere and it's like 14 miles long okay my generation remembers when you used to right click it and it didn't have any of that

tracking crap in it and it was just the actual link I need an extension or something that fixes that I need that there the port and cable logo I liked that the actual link yeah i need an extension or something that fixes that i need that hold on boom there the port and cable logo i liked that is that going to change this isn't even the one that i thought it was which one's which one darn it which one do you like i brought us to the wrong thing okay wide cam where it shows the ss i got you where it shows the ss thing and then it shows

the cable it has the speed under it i thought it was good okay it's very straightforward i'm like okay that's a usb plug this is speed that it's at i'm done we're good all right so i hope they keep the logo simple now where things are gonna get a little bit complicated here is that usb has gotten a lot more well complicated So we're dropping super speed, but what we don't know yet is how things like USB 4 play into all of this now that we're dropping the USB 4 branding because USB 4 is not really just a new generation of USB. It also has the ability to carry a PCci express signal which is super different that's how you can connect things like external graphics cards over a usb type c cable so we're going to have to get a

little bit further into this someone said that the logos have come out and they're similar and they're good okay another thing that we're not really addressing here is USB gets used for more than just connecting your digital camera to your computer these days. We charge our devices sometimes at extremely, extremely high power, like charging rates with these USB cables. And so it's a lot more than just what data rates a cable can handle. It's also what gauge the wires inside it are that determines how much power that cable can actually carry. So let's go on here. USB 4 version 1.0. So that's what we would know as USB 4 right now. USB version 2. So I guess that would be USB 2. USB 3.2, SuperSpeed Plus, Enhanced SuperSpeed, and SuperSpeed with a plus sign instead of a word plus, are defined in the USB

specifications. However, these terms are not intended to be used in product names, messaging, packaging, or any other consumer-facing content. This is from Source 2. This is from Ars Technica. This was updated in September. They still recommend that vendors label USB 2 as high-speed USB with no performance indicator. Ugh. Okay. Most products using USB 2 spec are peripherals, like keyboards and printers, so they don't think consumers will mistake the tech for being faster than, say, USB 5 gigabit per second. Okay. The USB-IF also feared people confusing USB 480 megabit per second as being faster than USB

5 gigabit per second due to the larger number. That's fair enough. So why don't we just call it USB 2 because that's what we've been calling it since like 2003 or whatever. That would be fine, but okay, fine, sure. For USB-bc cables they now recommend packaging and logos that show both maximum data transfer rate and power delivery that's excellent that's actually really good i'm down with that but the usb ifs guidelines do not specify other capabilities like intel thunderbolt support whether a cable is active or passive or if if it allows PCIe tunneling, which is, in my opinion, the most differentiating thing about USB 4. According to USBIF president and COO, consumer study groups showed that most consumers only

care about the highest data performance level a product can achieve or the highest power level. But that is f***ing stupid. No offense. Because PCI Express tunneling is something that the average consumer wouldn't understand to tell you that they care about. That's your entire job, is creating branding and messaging that helps people understand the value of it. And just because you've been doing this speed-based marketing and branding for so long and people understand it well

and tell you that they want to know about it doesn't mean that there aren't other important aspects of the specification that must be communicated. Yeah. Dumb. Yeah. Dumb. Yep. And the USBIF never talked to us again.

Have they talked to you at all? I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. But like, Yvonne would tell me to be a lot nicer. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to say it's dumb and I didn't mean to say that you were an idiot

and that you're bad at your job or, I don't know, did I say that? You did I know I don't think you said any of that before the point is the point is that I disagree respectfully and I'm sure that you're really good at the other things that you do as president and COO of USBIF And I'd love to work together sometime. To make better branding or? I don't know. Maybe they could show us cool USB. Would you say that this is a move in the right direction?

Oh, absolutely. There we go. We can at least give them a win. It's a step in the right direction. Well, I already talked about that before. No, I know, but you're doing conclusionary statements, you know, and there is a lot of good here, I would say. I don't think it's completely there, but this is a lot better than it was.

And this is going to be a lot more straightforward for consumers, which is good because that's kind of the point. Yeah. I mean, I had already talked about this. We've been working on cables in the background for a little while. And I had already said, yeah, we're just going to completely ignore whatever the USB IF says. We're just going to put the maximum data rate that can handle and the maximum power it can handle. So they essentially, they've just done that, which is great. That's really good. Yeah. That's a step in the right direction. Good job. Yeah. I think that's about it. We're also going to put, uh, whether it supports PCIe tunneling

though, because that's of course really important yeah because you're trying to make usb cables less confusing that's that's the point right but you you did good you did you did pretty good pretty good all right what do you want to talk about next we talk stadia uh sure or do you want to talk about your shoes because i think the people are waiting for an update on your shoes. I feel like that's more of a... Luke can't find shoes. No, I did.

Okay. Well, normally can't find shoes. Yeah. He's had the same shoes for so many years. I thought he was just cheap. It turns out he's cheap and he has a hard time finding those same shoes that he really likes. And Luke finally found shoes that make him happy. We're talking about...

We're talking about the shoes. I want to hear about your shoes. We can open them because I haven't seen them yet. Luke, he's doing a shoe unboxing, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, Dan, do you mind jumping on that camera? While you guys are getting set up for this, if you want to send a message into the show, the right way to do it is merch messages.

I think we probably have some new stuff from the store. Yes, short circuit sweatpants are now available. Mystery lanyards are now available. If you don't care what color lanyard you get, you can save 50%. Just $4.99 for an LTT lanyard. We also have less than 10,000 of the Black Shaft

screwdrivers left for backorder. Once they're gone, they're gone. We have no plan to offer them in the future. There's the update on ltt store actually i guess i'll show you the short circuit i guess i'll show you the short circuit sweatpants real quick here so these are some suggestions for things you guys can check out oh so it matches the short circuit hoodie it's pretty subtle honestly it just has like zipper accents okay yep they go perfectly with the short circuit hoodie.

They're available in a bunch of different sizes, bunch of different lengths. Got nice, cool lining matches, good stuff like that. So guys, you can check those out, LTT Store. We just find this is a better way of handling

things than doing it with Super Chats or Twitch things or whatever else. Because this way, if we don't get to your message, then you still get your order in the mail, which is pretty sick. All right. I'm switching to the Luke cam. Luke, this is it. Oh, no. That wasn't it.

I know how to do this. Hey, okay. My shoes are in a bag. And so how do you know these are good? I don't You told me before the show That these were good They should be theoretically

I haven't opened them I thought they're the same ones Right now they are Schrodinger's shoes Not my shoes So they could be dead They could be alive So the shoes could be alive i mean a dead shoes could be like holes in the bottom so the shoes could be alive yeah um and by observing them they could become dead yeah okay well i now i

really want to know what's in there hopefully shoes uh so yeah the idea is i i bought this one pair of shoes they worked great for me and i never wanted to get rid of them because i'd go try on other shoes and i would dislike them all the time i hate padding around the heel i don't roll my ankles i've like never rolled an ankle i don't need ankle support i find it very annoying actually i really hate it so i love not having fat ankles he has padding i have it might be true his ankles have rolls so he can never roll them that would be interesting. I don't know how that would even work. I have very tall feet. I have very wide feet.

A lot of running and fitness shoes don't fit me very well because of that. These ones do. There's a lot of reasons why I like these shoes. But through years and years and years of just trashing them, like I used to box in them. They've traveled with me everywhere. They've climbed ridiculous things. they've done tons of stuff i threw them in the in the wash once and

then transferred them to the dryer and the the toe got stuck in part of the dryer and it like heat molded it into a curve and i decided to wear that out over years. Like they are old and rough and they are at the end of their life. And my admin in Twitch chat says this camera is very sharp. So I'll take that as a compliment for Dan's focus control over there. Yeah, good job.

Good job, Dan. It's actually a C200. Our WAN show cameras are so overkill. So these are theoretically the same shoes. The same shoes. In theoretically very good condition in actually my size, which is the same shoes. The same shoes. In theoretically very good condition. In actually my size, which is the hard part. Right.

I don't have absolutely ridiculously gigantic feet, but I have size 12s. Yeah. Which can be a little annoying to find sometimes. So this is hopefully my new shoes. They look like they're in pretty good condition. Wow. Wow. Okay. Are those the same?

Yeah. Okay. And these are like, are these old or are these like a re-manufactured? These are theoretically just old, actually legit shoes. I mean, I got to say, they look like, I mean I guess like Shoe enthusiasts are a big Thing these days So keeping shoes in good condition I guess is a thing

They're a little worn Even the insole is in pretty good condition The toe's a little worn I don't think these have been able to be sold at a store For like 7 years so keep that in mind So they've been used But they've clearly been not you know do they smell no not bad no they don't smell like new shoes no but they don't smell like disgusting ancient gross disgusting shoes all right so congratulations luke

yeah i feel good for you thanks dan well not really new shoes but yeah yeah so that's cool that's the whole shoe story. Hope that was interesting. I was planning to leave that until like way later in the show. If we talked about it at all, not like the second topic. No, I was excited to talk about it.

What's more interesting if we want to stay off topic is what I did last night, but I feel like we should talk about stadia. Yeah. Let's talk about stadia. Okay. You keep bringing this up. I didn't do stadia last night, but I feel like we should talk about Stadia. Yeah, let's talk about Stadia. Okay, you keep bringing this up. I didn't do Stadia last night because no one did Stadia last night because it sucks. Got them. Well, okay.

Now, hold on a second, actually. You know why it sucks? Talk about that. Not necessarily because the service sucks. Oh, I see. But because Google sucks. Stadia sucks because Google sucks. Stadia sucks because no one believed in it.

Because everyone thought it would be canceled. Because of course it was going to be canceled. Because it's Google. So no one wants to invest in this ecosystem that they know is going to be trashed. Yes. Trashed. Trashed. Trashed.

Thrown in the garbage. Yeah. Because the service itself, as far as my understanding goes, was actually, like, really good. Yes. Actually quite impressive. Image quality from the last... So Gary from the lab looked at image quality for Stadia

versus... Is it GeForce now? I can never remember what it's called anymore, but NVIDIA's service. Yeah. And the Stadia image quality was better. I've seen quite a... Well...

It's technologically like quite good as far as my understanding considering uh how many people were using stadia i've seen quite a few tweets from people saying i actually loved stadia the people that i know that actually used it thought it was pretty good yep um yeah but it's officially dead and with very little notice. It's going offline January 18th. No surprise on that either. 2023. One of the worst parts is have you seen, have you seen the email they sent out internally? Oh, no, I haven't actually.

I heard about it, but I haven't seen it. Oh my goodness. The email is brutal. Hold on. Let me see if I can find this. I think I have it in my thing here. Oh, balls. No, I don't see it.

But it's bad. Basically, they just sent out an email that was like, yeah, we have an all-hands meeting tomorrow, and you should probably prioritize being there. Thanks. You know, about the future of development. And by the way, we're shutting it down see you later now they're not see you later i think these people are being assigned to other things but like how demoralizing is this never mind for part oh man we got to talk about the

impact on partners but how demoralizing is this for a for a programmer for uh an engineer for anyone to to put i mean they they didn't they they started this like almost three years ago 2019 2019 okay i've got that i've got the email you've got it okay it's got a name on it it's got a name on it oh i mean they shared it so i guess yeah sure go ahead and read it read it uh confidential internal only please do not forward let me saw how well that went um whoever shared this your google email is in it so whoops probably should have not done that but it says hi everyone we'll be having a stadia team meeting today not tomorrow oh sorry i got that detail wrong um this was sent out at 708 a.m we'll be having a stadia team meeting today not tomorrow oh sorry i got that detail wrong um this was sent out at 7 0 8 a.m we'll be having a stadia team meeting today uh september 29th at 8 30 a.m so okay so people

less than an hour and a half to to get ready uh to share some important updates with everyone apologies for the short notice yeah uh we would would appreciate it if you can please prioritize attending this meeting or check in with your manager afterwards if you can't make it. Details have been added to your calendars. This will be a virtual only meeting. So please feel free to join

from wherever you're working today. Best, Phil. That's it. That's it. So they didn't say they're closing the company or whatever. But I guess they probably did an hour and 22 minutes later that is absolutely brutal and as far as i can tell literally everyone got absolutely

blindsided by this uh we talked about it from the news i know a lot of developers that heard about this through the news. They were actively working on actively developing things for Stadia, and it just got canceled. Looking at how Google is planning to support the users, I'm hoping they do a similar thing for the devs and make sure that they don't get just wrecked. Because it looks like they're doing full refunds for like basically everything i don't know if that's in the notes here but they're doing refunds on hardware they're doing refunds

on purchases as far as i know the only thing they're not doing a full refund on is the subscription but like things you bought through the play store whatever they're giving you full refunds for it do you think some people knew i still have my tab open from the Logitech cloud gaming device from last week. And I remember it being sort of notable to me that the only cloud services they mentioned were Xbox Game Pass and GeForce Now. And Stadia would have seemed like an obvious one to support. I mean, unless you were smart and realized that Google would probably just cancel it at some point.

Oh, wow. Apparently someone in Flowplane chat said they started rolling out a new UI update literally just hours before the announcement. Like these people were actively moving on this stuff. That is so unfair Because there's no way That a project like that was just

Cancelled It wasn't a snap decision Like it's absolutely something where I get it If you don't ultimately end up cancelling it You don't want people to just be sitting You know Unsure whether they're

going to have a project to work on tomorrow. But is this really more humane? If Google rolled out something on the scale of something like Gmail, I don't know what it would be. I can't give you an exact tool, but on the scale of something like Gmail, where it's very fundamental, exact tool but on the scale of something like gmail where it's very fundamental very important would you even try it would you migrate okay maybe you try it would you seriously try it to the point where you like migrate to it uh if you weren't doing it for a review reason because at this point how do you trust them for anything any service that they spin up they just kill i'm trying to think if i use any google service that was started up in the last 10 years. That's what I'm getting at.

I use Android. I use Gmail. I hardly touch any part of G Suite that isn't Gmail, Google Docs, Google Sheets. Like I do not. I do not use things like keep or reminders reminders they just like messed with again like i don't i do not use uh like i use my google calendar but i use a third-party app because i just i don't i don't want to use their stuff um not like a data privacy thing but just like because i don't want i don't like things changing

i use this app called business calendar i was gonna ask you because i actually didn't know you did that oh yeah business calendar sick especially on the fold man like check this out boom oh well it's actually very readable yeah and so you can it just like pop stuff out like this like my calendar app is like sick it's a paid app. Like I paid like five or 10 bucks for it or whatever, but it's so worth it. Like this is my calendar. It's like dense information. Density is what I care about.

And the Google calendar is there's no way they have enough resolution. I'm not worried. Also, there's nothing like particularly scary there. The, the, the Google calendar is just, it's super,

super sparse. So I'm trying to think like i use okay i use android tv but that's android i don't need i don't even i don't even know like i don't touch i don't touch meat i don't touch i use meat i use meat a lot actually but meat is very replaceable for me to be fair that's the only reason why i use it and i i actually another calendar thing that i like a feature that i actually don't understand at all why google calendar doesn't have but is uh external because i believe there's some internal tools for doing this but external people being able to book meetings on your calendar maybe someone's going to school me and there's some way to do this but i don't think so no you can't do it anymore yeah okay

so i use calendly yeah you used to be able to send calendar invites by email and it would just like go right onto your calendar or something like that like there was a way better way to do it i forget the exact details it's one of those things like yeah remember when like we were talking about before right clicking copy link in a in a google search was just the url more simple yeah there was a simpler way to to book meetings um like the integration between google calendar and gmail was better maybe you guys can maybe you guys can remind me but but either way i use that calendly thing and i just find it very easy to set up like google meetings and stuff through all that so i just use google meet night pause asks is that not a thing in outlook yeah but like who uses dan's face dan's face

what year is yikes yeah yikes What year is it? Yikes. Someone just dropped Outlook on us. I mean, okay. If we're going to criticize Google for killing things. Outlook has staying power, okay? At least Outlook is still around. What about Lotus Notes? You guys use Lotus Notes?

Oh, man. Word perfect, anyone? still around yeah what about lotus notes you guys use lotus notes oh man word perfect almost everyone uses outlook whoa that's not true dude not even a little it's not true not even a little bit all universities use outlook yeah like government ran institutions microsoft has a lot of fingers in those um but outside of that i don't know i don't know about that oh man that's great um yeah yes a lot of businesses do use it yes yes yes yes yes yes yes just chill you guys chill um i cannot saying outlook is better than gmail to be fair i have used Outlook in a long time. Last time I used it, it was embarrassingly bad. Okay. But it's been a long time, I will say.

Okay, all right. Should we do a poll? I'm going to do a poll. You can keep going. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do a poll, do a poll. Dan, can you think of any Gmail service that was started in the last 10 years that you use?

You know, Duo? Any, like, what do they even do? Guys i i want to hear from you guys too hit me up floatplane chat yeah i can't think of anything like docs and sheets mostly that's it i mean i guess i guess most of the google services that we use we uh might not realize we're using new ad serving technologies and whatnot wow this poll is very surprising so far i asked is outlook better than gmail and maybe i influence this poll by making it so the no answer is saying that gmail is better but a lot of people are saying that like the majority of people are saying that outlook is better than gmail yeah right here float plane pull wow wow okay people are talking about like

google cloud on desktop good outlook on phone bad someone said what the devil is what the devil is google fi oh that's their like phone thing Okay, yeah. It's not available here. It's not even in Canada. Never mind cancelling it. They didn't even manage to completely roll it out. Yeah, rip Google Play Music. 100%. It was so much better than YouTube Music and I promise you, they know it.

Is Google Fiber still a thing? I don't think so. I thought they canned that. Google Chat. Google Chat is just hangouts. Like, still a thing i don't think so i thought they canned that google chat google chat google chat is just hangouts like it google glass i know i asked what you still use from the last 10 years no that yeah yet another thing they abandoned way to not prove the point oh man yeah rip inbox yeah exactly yep yeah gpay no i don't use that google pay that's just part of your phone you probably if you use tap i think you use that no samsung has their own oh i have samsung phone and i don't i didn't even set it up because like i set it up once

and then there were like two different ones on my phone for some reason maybe one of them was the google one and one of them was the samsung one and I like got confused I was stuck without a credit card at a gas station for some reason long story I didn't I lost my wallet and I had just dropped Yvonne off on a ferry so I like had no way to pay for fuel um and so I had Yvonne give me her credit card information so that I could enter it into my thing and then it went into like the wrong one and then every time I like swipe up the thing it's like the other one and i'm just like you know it really doesn't take that long to take my wallet out of my pocket so i don't care it just makes no difference to me whatsoever if i pull my phone out of my left pocket or my wallet out of my right pocket to tap to pay i just i can't someone said ways

what yeah but they just bought that bought and when did they even buy it yeah yeah all right google buys ways yeah i do use youtube music 2013 that's like right on the line okay yeah come on man this is an interesting conversation because it you know you kind of go yeah google they're like a multi-billion dollar company um what they can make good things and again stadia was good well you use a pixel uh begrudgingly well but you do technically i probably won't and the pixel program is within the last 10 years. But you use it. Yeah, but look at the quality level of pixels.

I mean, I can't speak to that. I've never daily driven a pixel other than just to review it. They've never pulled me in. Google Fiber is back, apparently, says Floatplane Chat. Killed by Google.com. What is this? I've seen this before. I've seen this before i've seen this i remember this there's a handful of people in the floatplane chat posting this 274 different things yeah uh

extended the functionality of google assistant by allowing august 2023 june 2023 march 2023 january 2023 all stated for death YouTube originals December 2022 Google Hangouts oh my goodness what even is Google My Business app Android Auto for phone screens yeah that was kind of annoying

that that went away okay alright what is cameos on Google's wait they had a Cameo clone? Shut up. I had no idea. I can't. I've never even.

What? Killed eight months ago. Cameos on Google allowed celebrities and other public figures to record video responses to the most common questions asked about them, which will be shown to users in Google search results. Fitstar Yoga. This went on for seven years. It created unique yoga sessions. What? Poly to distribute 3D objects?

What am I even looking at here? Google Cardboard. Yeah, because that was going to work. I can't believe that lasted for six years. Tilt Brush. Oh, I didn't even know Tilt Brush was dead. That sucks. Tilt Brush was cool.

It was actually really cool. A couple times, and then I kind of got over it. That's probably why it got canceled. Yeah. But I know that there was like artists that 100% focused on Tilt Brush. Yeah. Like that was their thing and they made really cool stuff.

Cloud Print is one of those things that I always thought like theoretically sounded kind of cool but I never used once. Apparently it was 10 years old in 2020 when it died. Hire by Google. I actually wanted to use this recently yeah because i was drowning um and yeah i was it was dead so i was like oh that sucks because i remember us like

talking about it on wan forever ago so i was like oh i'll go find that thing maybe it'll be helpful and then yeah i couldn't. To Google's credit, most things are being refunded, which is the most good guy possible way for them to do this. So back to the Stadia topic. Yeah. Back to Stadia. It sounds like they're doing it nicely.

Yeah. You don't even have to return the hardware. You just like keep it. I would like to see them do something. With the hardware? With the hardware. I'd like, I'd like to see the controllers

still work, you know, get some basic drivers, I actually have never tried to use a Stadia controller for anything for anything but I would like for them to still work for something, that would be great apparently it does

the Stadia controller works fine as a standard game controller on both Windows and Macs. Apparently there are some limitations, but you can use the device as a wired controller. It doesn't work wirelessly with a standard Bluetooth controller, but you can use it wired. Okay. I enjoy the idea of not having e-waste. I think that's good. Yep, that's good.

This move of refunding everything, this I added, tells us one of two things. Either it was costing them a king's ransom to maintain Stadia day-to-day. Wouldn't be too surprised considering it was really good. To the point where it's cheaper to just say, forget it, refund it all, make it go away, than to just leave it running indefinitely or it tells us that the amount they sold was actually pretty negligible which i think it might be because i think it's a little column a little column b yeah that makes sense i because it's one of those things where again i wouldn't trust i don't know if you want to use the term investment things where again i wouldn't trust i don't know if you want to use

the term investment for this but i wouldn't trust investing in a platform like this i'd be sketched out because it's google right yeah and i feel really bad for all the developers i hope like i said earlier i really really hope that the developers internal and external are being taken care of at the same level that it sounds like the customers are being taken of. Because it sounds like the customers are getting a pretty good deal. I doubt it. I doubt it as well. Yeah there's just like no way. I'm just saying I hope.

Yeah there's just no way. I do know that they paid. A lot. For getting some of the games on to Stadia. Like tens of millions. Like getting. I think they had like Red Dead 2. Like let's see how much red dead 2 was

one sec uh yeah pay for red all of this comes after ceo sandar pakai pichai pichai i think said he wants to make the company 20 more efficient and cut costs this is my problem i don't listen to or watch anything i only read so whenever i whenever i say people's names like on wanshow it's like yeah i've actually never heard your name spoken so yeah sorry i have that issue with certain words and stuff too yeah um yeah i don't know the exact amount but there's an article here from gaming bolt that says google spent tens of millions of dollars for red dead redemption 2 i thought they spent tens of millions of dollars tens of millions of dollars for Red Dead Redemption 2. I thought they spent tens of millions of dollars for games in general.

I didn't realize it was just Red Dead 2. That's wild. And then they also paid huge sums for other games to get on the platform as well. Okay. Wow. And here's an interesting one. Any exclusives that were planned for stadia are now

forever lost unless they get bought and or ported to something else and based on what we know about the game development cycle there could have easily been games that are three to four years into development right now and could be like quite complete and might never see the light of day i don't know if i actually don't know of any stadia exclusives but you wouldn't always know about something like that maybe this is the kind of thing that is going to kind of pop up over the next 6 to 18 months as people move on from these positions and they don't fear being sued into oblivion or losing their jobs or whatever the case may be oh wow i don't like 100 know if there's like this is proof behind this or or anything yeah it sounds pretty legit um there's a developer who posted in the r slash game dev subreddit um they apparently they spent four to five months building a port for stadia

and they finished the port like yesterday um so to read it specifically it says we've been working on our google stadia game port for a few months the first time we had about 20 plus issues to solve two weeks later stadia showed us 10 more so it sounds like they were trying to help them which is actually good uh we spent four to five months fixing everything learning the technology behind it and preparing our game port on september 29th we had repaired 100 of our faults and we're ready to launch stadia today i was hustling and staying up late in the office to send the last build our build could be the last dispatch build in stadia's history that's wild we wish that uh we wish to arrive at this platform it's really sad for stadia employees etc etc google is offering to continue

supporting gaming in other areas and will help devs build and distribute gaming apps on google play and google play games thanks google how long will google play and google play games exist how long will that help exist i don't know man you guys gotta shake this reputation of just like throwing things at the wall and then even the ones that stick just letting them fall off the wall eventually rot on the wall rot on your you got like a rotten spaghetti wall now like i just don't understand what is going on over there it's it's brutal uh consumer trust i hope is low at this point to be honest because like wow brutal hope people can migrate game data i didn't even think about that yeah that sucks oh that's why this is one of the reasons why i wouldn't want to adopt a

platform like that you know that fantasia game that i'm waiting to play because it's exclusive to apple arcade that's why i'm not that's why I'm not playing it. It's not that I'm not willing to just pay for Apple Arcade for a month or two while I play this game or like whatever. It's not like I don't have plenty of iOS devices, fine, whatever. I'll play a game, but I don't want my save data there. I want my save data on something that I think might actually exist at some point like on a physical device that i own and this is this is a huge huge knock for cloud gaming because i don't think that everyone would go back to a game that they played you know five years ago or something like that and want their save data um but i have some games sorry to cut you off i have some games where if there's like a note-taking system or

something in the game and i'm pretty sure this is the last time i'm gonna log off for a while i'll like leave my character looking at it and like write myself a note of like this is what you were doing yeah for sure like if i ever wanted to go back and play dragon age origins with my character i could it's a save file on my server like i have it right and that's that's something that's not an option here um we've apparently been offered a stadia dev kit from a developer who was going to launch a title on stadia pro next month uh I guess that do you guys want to see it you guys want to see a stadia dev kit that'd be interesting I yeah I'd be pretty interested to see it like what what would a stadia dev kit be because it's like just just a raspberry yeah is it a little tiny little mini server how many days is that apparently someone has a red dead redemption 2 game on stadia with 6 000 hours

on it wow okay i mean is some of that just leaving it idling? Are you the reason they had to shut it down? We've been transmitting this same frame for four months. 250 days. A lot more than four months. We've been transmitting this same frame for nine months. Oh, no. I know there's some people that are really, really hardcore into the online gang system in Red Dead. Terrible.

Apparently there's an article about it. Wow, that's so brutal. Okay, you guys can stop posting about the 6,000 hours thing. Come on. Don't spam so much. Okay. Let's move on i feel like we should probably get some sponsors done here and then we'll talk about the recall on the backpack oh trust me bro we'll take care of it

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show you the first. I'll show you the first two. Then I'll get your impressions for some of the ideas that we have. This didn't come up during testing. Oh, right. I guess I'm supposed to... Not that one. Gosh, darn it. There we go. Okay. You know what? I'm going to come a little closer to you, Dan. This didn't come up during testing, but what we found is that these custom carabiner... Ugh.

These custom carabiner zipper pulls that are attached to the zippers with these little uh loops here there you go and they have like a little little carabiner doodad on them you guys can see that pretty well there yep that's cool uh they were custom designed for our backpack and they only have a very very skinny little bit of metal here. I think it's really hard to see. You think so? Looking at that, I think so. The background is too dark against the black air. Well, I got my hand here. Oh, here. Well, hold on. Idea.

Back of the laptop, maybe? Oh, yeah, sure. Let's go back to the laptop. Yeah, that works. Okay, yeah, there we go. You can leave your laptop there. I got the works okay yeah there we go uh no no you can you can leave your laptop there i got the uh yeah it's pretty but okay yeah there we go yeah yeah okay so it's got a little a little wibble wobble thing here okay so unfortunately um and this never came up during our testing because i only ever used these to clip to each other to keep the zipper from coming open and just to kind of look cool so maybe someone grabbed it funny or maybe

they tried to hang something from it which uh not really intended for but given how much work we put into the durability of other aspects of the bag we should have caught it yeah there's only a skinny little skinny chicken piece of metal here uh that holds this in place. So while the spring is fine and it'll last for a long time like this, if you put pressure on it from the side, you can break it off pretty easily. Wow, yeah. Yeah, that was not a ton of force. No.

So, to be clear, past third-party lab tests, so our supplier follows ISO 9001 for quality past testing within their system and through our third-party lab for expected for supply during normal use. However, there will always be some part-to-part variants across 160,000 pieces, right? There's four per bag. So there's always going to be a failure rate.

so there's always going to be a failure rate but it's clear that this is a core component that i think just accidentally could have a higher failure rate than we consider to be acceptable so nope you're not done yet dan i'm so sorry you gotta have a look at some of our new options okay so what are we doing from here we're actively working on a solid long-term solution which should include a care package for everyone who bought the backpack that will include three things standard regular zipper pulls for people who want to opt out of the carabiner entirely and there are reasons people might want to do this maybe they want to put a padlock on it for even more security or if they want to check their bag or on it for even more security, or if they want to check their bag or whatever the case may be, that is some feedback that we got. So I guess

this is an opportunity to rectify that. We are also working on, it will also include an updated carabiner pull. And we are working on, we've actually already prototyped it, but they didn't give it to me for the show today. We're working on just a cheap injection molded tool that will help you pry up the little retainer for the carabiner pull that you have on there. And then the other end should allow you to clamp it back down and replace it with either a standard zipper pull

or a replacement carabiner pull. And so this is to everyone who has currently received backpacks. What about the staged orders? I believe, actually, that that's a good question i don't know what will happen with those we'll figure it out okay um it should be a fairly small operation to swap them so either we'll swap them or we'll include the swap kit it seems to make more sense for us to swap them but i i'll i don't know the answer to that so we'll have to figure that out for you alright

so in the meantime here are some examples of carabiner pulls that we are looking at that you might end up getting because the original one is not so great anymore you know what no I'll show you this one after let's start with this one

and Luke do you want to kind of have a look at these and tell us your thoughts? How does this go on a zipper? Well, it would be a lot smaller. Okay. But it would be kind of like that. Yeah? If you want to hold it just a little more in front of the laptop.

It still is a little odd. You can still get some side-to-side play, but I'm putting quite a bit of force on that, and nothing's really happening. Yeah, well, it locks. That's the difference. Oh. Yeah, anything that locks is going to be a little bit better. Yeah. Yeah, I pushed pretty hard in both

directions. Yeah, it's ugly and looks like crap. Yeah, pretty much. So it's out. We've also got this one. Dan, don't try to follow us too much. We'll follow you. We can see you. Uh, this one just has like a little, a little wire-majig here. This is similar, but only one direction. No, I got to hold this way closer.

Okay, let's, let's get this boy. Let's get this boy close. There you go. So it's just a little wire thing. Uh, looks like crap, especially compared to the original carabiner pole. So I don't consider this acceptable either. Both of these are cheap. So that's a good thing about them.

This one is, I'd say, the closest to our existing carabiner pole. Does that have like basically shields on each side holding it in place? Is that what's going on? It's a lot thicker metal. We could also re-engineer the original one To have thicker metal sides Like this one does But we found a solution that we like better Okay, this one I'll let you play with It's really expensive

Of course I have I have No, Dan, here I have notoriously expensive taste It looks beautiful. Is this how it will look like final product? No, it'll be smaller because it's really big.

So it'll probably look very similar to this. So the camera can't see it at all, but it looks like it's like tempered. Is that? It's titanium. Okay. I'm really glad at one point in the development process have structural issues hold on we'll talk about it in a sec okay at one point in the development process for the backpack

we considered having carabiner pulls on every single zipper and we were like ah it's a bit much given the cost of this how much is this like i'm really glad it's only four per bag we'll be okay but how much is this it's really nice uh here i feel like if you bought that individually it would be like double digit dollars uh no it'll run you oh shoot wrong thing bloody hell okay there you go so here's what it is guys it's a one piece uh here i'll hold it here it's a one piece titanium clip here you got to show the bottom and then the hinge yeah the hinge is just like this um it just bends yeah it just yeah just like it just it just bends it's got like this i don't know shape to it that kind of yeah okay oh there

you go there you go there you go so it's got these like slits in it but because it's titanium it's super strong and so it bends both here and here and then yeah well side to side it doesn't give any f's because it's titanium right so you could just i don't know do whatever you want to it so it looks like it moves a fair amount yeah so it might have a little bit of play it's not gonna break but it shouldn't break so this is the thanks dan you're good this is the current front runner solution so everyone who gets a bag will get something um and it'll either be like a pack of something like this and uh standard poles or a re-engineered version of the original carabiner pole and standard poles and then we're going to be working on that tool one thing that i want to warn you guys about now

don't feel like oh yeah this weekend i'm gonna go to do this so i'm gonna change my pole no no no no no no no the way that the ykk zipper is designed is to be permanently installed. So yes, you can bend it up and you can bend it down like once. Otherwise, a lot of metal doesn't like doing that. Yeah. It'll fatigue the metal and it will break.

So please, please, no, please, no, do that. And that's not the kind of thing that we're, we're going to be like, like oh this is your third bag

yeah well you know these things happen here's a new one like don't do that that's that's intentional damage because it will be very clear in the packaging of the replacement kit that you are intended to do it once a bunch of people saying they like the s carabiner uh that looks like the ugliest one out of all like ass and scaled down to the size of a zipper pull it's not going to work very well it's it's not a it's not a an appropriate design for what we're doing yeah um as a former fastener salesman please reach out to a smaller fastener specialist for more and cheaper options please please um i mean it's not a fastener though it's like it's kind of just a decorative zipper pull like it's not intended to really do anything

that was another thing i saw a picture of someone talking about this and they were like this isn't built like how it should be and then they had like a climbing carabiner i was like these are not yeah it's not for climbing they just link together they're not supposed to be load bearing they are just that uh side to side pressure was unacceptable but um why even show the ones you're not considering to show you guys kind of what we what we looked at to ultimately reach what we think is going to be our best option so that you guys can understand the process. Are you complaining that we're just being transparent? I don't get it. If we're at risk, if we use the fancy one, if that was a thing, we wouldn't use it.

We will find a very good solution that people will be very happy with and everything will be okay. Yeah, it'll be all right. Don't worry, guys. We got this. Yeah. with and everything will be okay yeah it'll be all right don't worry guys we got this yeah um all right oh and other it's not a recall in the sense that people just send their bags back no yeah okay no it's i mean you can recall a component of something and the solution is just to send people a new that thing yeah yeah cool so that's the way we're going to handle it all right in other controversial news the aura ring or aura ring excuse me video got pulled from short circuit this week, I know nothing about this, but that was very surprising. Yeah, so our history with Aura, and I'll explain why I've changed my pronunciation here in a moment.

Our history with them is a little complicated. First, we were going to do a sponsored video for their Gen 2 ring, which they sent us and I used for a while and liked. Then that never happened. Or maybe we shot it and like ultimately didn't publish it that somehow the deal fell through. It's like, okay, you know, it happens. Right. Um, I liked the product. I got an upgrade offer to the gen three ring that would make it so that I would not have to pay the monthly fee. They basically said,

if you have a gen two ring and you upgrade to the Gen 3, you will be grandfathered in for life to not have to pay the monthly subscription. I was like, I like this product. I do not like monthly subscriptions. Fine. Gen 3 ring has some feature, cool new features. I don't really care about them, but sure. So I was using that for a while. Maybe they saw me using it. I know a lot of you saw me using it and asked, you know, what's that? What's that? How do you like it? Et cetera, et cetera. So they find, they reached out and they were like, okay, let's try this again.

So their new gen three horizon design, they sent it over. We shot a sponsored short circuit. We got as far as uploading the video in the, in the video. I talked a lot about how it is a product I actually use. I like it. Of course, any sponsored video, I still can't say anything. I don actually believe, like by law. Some people don't take that very seriously. I do. So everything I said was stuff that I believed. And one of the things I believed was that the pronunciation of their company, O-U-R-A, was Ura. It's not. It's Ara, like A-U-R-A.

not it's aura like a u r a so to be completely honest i thought their company was named a u r a no it's o u r a because i i don't think i think i've heard you say it more than i've read it so i always just thought it was yeah anyways anywho um so i said it wrong, repeatedly, in the video, because, and this kind of ties into what I said earlier in the show about I only read things, I don't watch or listen to them. So I have only the only context I have is how it's spelled. And, you know, I think that at this stage in our company, we should probably have processes for making sure that the pronunciation of things, particularly on a sponsored video is correct, but it slipped through the cracks and we shot a whole video with the name wrong. They were apparently very upset.

Um, and we offered a fix, which was, I think we were going to use the YouTube editor to be like, LOL lol i just got the name pronounced wrong and a pinned comment uh they weren't happy with it and uh trigger happy newbie here by the name of colton uh reacted to this by pulling the video actually it was a it was a it was a decision that was made in the business department before i really got an opportunity to weigh in on it we were told that um there was no way for us to make a change to the video to like alter the pronunciation because of like YouTube's policy. But I was like, okay, yeah, but like, I might have been able to call people once the video is pulled. It's like dead,

you can't like, yeah, you can put it live again, but nobody's going to watch it like that initial burst from publishing, unless it's, you know, a miracle viral video, it's not going to, it's not nothing good. It's going to come of it if you republish it. But so it was pulled. So it was kind of too late to do anything about it. And I might have not been able to do anything about it anyway. It might have been the same decision. So really, this is just about maintaining transparency for you guys, not, you know,

blaming anyone. It was a team decision that was made. I was not informed, but I might've, I might've made the same decision anyway. So the bottom line is we pulled the video. We're not putting it back up. Uh, this isn't the first time we've had difficulty dealing with Aura. I like the product um but you know i don't think they're bad thing bad people or anything i just think it's fair to say that we are unlikely to attempt to work with

them again at this point and it's left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth it wasn't entirely their fault for sure like you know i get it but, you know, I think their reaction was not really helpful. I don't think it was really constructive. I also don't think that it was an unmakeable mistake. O-U-R-A. I would have guessed URA. Yeah, maybe you should have paid for, know the domain and trademark aura aura if that's what you wanted like you can't just spell stuff wrong and then be like why don't you pronounce

it that like come on guys there's also like tons of different things like that that get quote-unquote pronounced wrong uh someone in full-plane chat uh mentioned nvidia tie yeah no one at nvidia even knows whether it's ti or tie or asus in general uh there's lots of them the the the better way to do it is to attack with humor um asus did that they made some like joke videos back in the day about how to pronounce their name and stuff um uh oh opu lance gt in twitch chat says the oh yeah pronounced it oh yeah so it's not like i was coming at this completely out of nowhere i didn't i didn't even think about that like it's just one of the things is you never know where the root language is from so those letters in combination from different root languages might make different sounds and stuff. Like it's actually really hard to just read something in, you know, English letters and know what it means.

Cyan Wave says, I agree, Linus. You should have done diligence and taken the error on the chin. Your fault. Yeah, but it's not about fault. You know, like in business, you can take a very hard line stance like that, but... Then you don't have a video given to tons of people about your product. It's not constructive, right? Like it's about finding a fix that works for everyone and getting it done, right? So yeah, sure.

Assign blame, go ahead. But it's not helpful, right? So it's about what are you trying to do? Are you trying to just kill a relationship and never work together again? Then by all means, be like that, right? So it's about what are you trying to do? Are you trying to just kill a relationship and never work together again? Then by all means, be like that, right? But if you're trying to fix it and trying to move forward, which is what smart business people do, then you got to take a different stance, right? Like you got to, I mean, anyone that I've ever coached on email etiquette, probably including you, one of the first things

I'll tell you is even though you know 100% that it's the other person's fault and that they're an idiot and they're ass covering or whatever, the first thing you do is say, I'm sorry, I might have misunderstood. Yeah, that's actually been one of the most useful things too, because a lot of the times you can be like 95 98 sure you're right but if you say i might have misunderstood it's very likely you'll get more information yeah and then they will end up figuring out that they made the mistake which is just easier for everyone it's simple math the second you attack someone they will be defensive it's a battle now they are on the they're on the defense and a lot of situations you don't want a battle you want a resolution because you just want the problem to be fixed so it's it's easier to just

be like whatever i might have misunderstood is a way to say like i'm not placing blame but let's just solve the problem which is better m hindman says linus stop putting your foot in it in that last segment you throw your staff under the bus and criticize the sponsor i'm telling you guys what happened that's what happened what what what more can i say did did i say that that i pronounced it right no did i say i did my due diligence no did i say i pronounced it wrong and that i didn't do my due diligence yes okay what like what do you guys what do you guys what do you like what ultimately what do you want from me right like what can i do um what can i do other than be transparent should i just not tell you things i feel like we've run into this a fair bit lately i've brought this up before this is actually a really big problem i the way i brought

it up is devs on stage yeah a lot of people want to hear directly from developers very often. But then when a developer missteps or says something slightly incorrectly or says a thing that people decide that they shouldn't have. One of the examples that I bring up is the don't you guys have phones comment from the Blizzard developer. Like, yeah, that was stupid. Of course, both other people in this room cringed when I said it. Yes, that was really stupid.

But the more you really heavily attack stuff like that, the less devs on stage. That's true. Because they're going to throw a PR person at you. I'm like, is that really what you want? Because you got to think about what you're attacking, what you're criticizing, right? It gets a little sketchy.

If you want the real information, if you want the knowledge, whatever, you got to be a little, you got to take it sometimes. Yeah. And sometimes that dev on stage is going to say something real dumb. But you still want that dev on stage. All right. You think you want it, but you don't? Yeah, that's another quote.

Blizzard has a lot of them. But Blizzard has put devs on stage at BlizzCon for a long time. So, like, it makes sense. They're going to say some dumb stuff. And it is what it is. On the subject of dumb stuff, the Lab32 branding is officially dead. Saj. I want to make it very clear that it had nothing to do with Sara Dietschy.

She was an absolute gem about the whole thing uh she basically was like yeah i mean seems pretty chill to me um here's you know what we have have i talked about this already on my show no i don't think so i've gotten getting like a deja vu moment well at any rate i've cancellation of the name yeah you've talked about the the situation that's going on but i don't think you've talked about us oh not right with the name so she was super chill about it amazing she was like yeah we'll we'll make it work we'll figure it out and ultimately because we found out that there was a 30-day return period for the domain we kind of went yeah thank, thank you, Sarah.

For real, like what a bro. But we're just going to figure out something else so that we don't have to worry about any kind of misunderstanding. Like I don't want people misunderstanding us, misunderstanding her, confusing the two companies, thinking they're affiliated. And there was already some people that seemed genuinely confused so especially because they launched within the same week like or at least were announced within the same week sony full plane chat said what about lab 32 version 2x2

super speed lab 32 that's pretty good um i don't i haven't heard any plans for anything different has there do you have maybe no public thoughts on that i'm assuming um sorry what on a new name on a new name other than lab 32 because you're walking back the branding yeah you have any that you're leaving towards even privately i don't well yeah privately i feel like we could we could just go for man i don't know. I think privately, lttlabs.com, in my mind, is just kind of the obvious one at this point.

We tried. We have it, right? Yeah. We tried to do something else, and I think we just maybe give up. We can run with it. I think there's some people on the team that don't want to do that. Oh, there's some people on the team that really don't want to do that oh there's there's some people on the team that really don't want to do that but for better or for worse it has a lot of brand equity we already own it it's easy it is easy and we do already own it and it is very like people will know that it's us

working on it and it hits all those points and that's good um but yeah yeah uh there's there's another topic we can jump into lab 64 wasn't available for those of you asking that's also really yeah and part of the part of the beauty of lab 32 was that it could be ltt if we ever decided to retcon the linus Tech Tips meaning of LTT. Lab 32. Yeah. Thanks for clarifying that. Well, I think a lot of people didn't get that last time we talked about it. Right.

You've mentioned that before, and I think it whiffed like a ton of people. So I'm trying to make it. Because I think the domain was numerical. So I think people didn't put that together. Right. That makes sense. Yeah. All right.

What do you want to talk about next? Should we talk about d brand lab 69 also wasn't available we did check yeah yeah yeah let's talk about d brian's 7 000 yikes bad situation do you know about this i didn't actually uh the magnet used to attach the kickstand to the rear of the kill switch case Can affect the RPM of the internal fan Of certain Steam decks That's a problem That's not good

Valve was initially shipping the Steam deck With fans from two different Oh That sucks Okay So they were shipping the fans for two different suppliers so tldr i haven't even read it yet but i'm sure it's going to go there one of the fans is not going to be affected by this and i'm sure this is the one that the d brand was working with the d brand that d brand was

working with and the other one is affected by it so yeah it sounds like the delta version of the fans are affected by the magnet and then i have no idea how to pronounce this probably i don't know yeah sure those ones are not affected by the magnet um yeah and okay yeah steam decks used by d brand for testing all have the ying fans or however they're pronounced fan speeds dropped by 1500 to 2500 rpm that's a big problem that's a huge problem this is a mobile device you don't screw around with cooling for a mobile device yeah they're usually pre-dialed in it's not cool yeah yeah yeah this fan behavior went unnoticed by other content creators slash press outlets until the verge were shipped a few kill switch cases d brand borrowed a delta fan equipped model from youtuber

a really cool guy dave 2d and confirmed the findings by the verge after confirming the issue d brand made an 11th hour decision to suspend all kill switch sales per d brand word on the grapevine is that valve no longer uses the whiny delta fan in the production of steam decks switching exclusively to the ying component which is the one that isn't affected so that's good i guess yeah but they're still out there yeah and we don't we have no way of knowing who's going to know which one it is without taking it apart. And as cool as it is that you can do that, most users are not going to want to do that. After confirming the issue, dbrand made...

Oh, yeah, yeah. I think I already said that. But they're suspending all kill switch sales, which sucks. Per dbrand... Oh, I already talked about all this. Where am I? The issue is limited to the magnetic kickstand. The case itself, travel cover, stick grips,

and tempered glass screen protectors do not cause any issues. That we know of yet. Yeah, yeah. Probably not. So maybe we'll see those separately or something? No, it should be fine. There's no magnets in the other ones,

so it should be fine. Oh, and unfortunately, because I thought the magnetic system was super cool. Well, I don't think it's necessarily going away. It is. In response to this discovery, dbrand is pivoting from the magnetic

mount to a mechanical interlocking system for the kickstand and future accessories. So what's going to happen is if you already ordered a magnetic version one you're going to get that and then they're going to also send you a mechanical one just in case you find it causes a problem with your system in case well because that's the thing you might not notice it causes a problem so they want people using the mechanical one now i, I, a savvy user, I'm going to open up my Steam Deck,

make sure I've got a Huaying fan, and I'm going to use my magnetic one five ever. But that's not going to help anyone else. If you have a Delta one, you can buy a Steam Deck fan replacement from iFixit. Yes, that's true. I can't tell if this is Delta or Huaying. But considering they said they're going to stop working with Delta,

it should be Huaying. So that's an option if it comes down to that. Rough day for dbrand. Yeah, that sucks. You don't want to go through all that product development and everything and have a problem like,

oh, all the units that you had happened to have the fan that it would be fine with like that's so unfortunate that just sucks but whoa we just got rated on twitch seven people showed up nice nice thanks let's go penrose thank you rate is rating rating is a weird thing to me But hey thanks It can be cool All seven of us There's literally half dozen of us Should we talk about my absolutely thrilling night last night? Yeah what are you talking about?

He's been talking about this He's been bag posting all day About this I wanted to talk to you about it Because it's very absurd and I knew you'd laugh at me for it and it would be a fun conversation so I just decided that, hey, we don't always get to talk that often, might as well just do it

on WAN Show. I guess so. I mean, we talked a lot yesterday, but sure. That's probably true. Wait, yesterday? No, yeah. Because I was going to say I would have talked to you about this. Yeah, we talked for like two hours on Wednesday, but yeah, we don't talk. This hadn't happened yet this hadn't happened yeah whatever sure this hadn't happened yet yeah sure um so i was wandering around various parks with a gigantic bird cage playing bird noises from my

phone uh trying to not look crazy you lost your birds so i'm smiling because no it wasn't ours but someone else did oh so we were trying to help emma my girlfriend found her name's public it's fine emma found she was walking around a park for funsies and she found her name public oh yeah i guess she streams i mean i just try to call it plenty time yeah yeah i mean i'm usually i usually try to do that for people that i'm not 100 sure of but i'm sure of her uh she found a little posted little signed thing begging for help in a park and was like we kind of know how to do this so she was going at it pretty hard and eventually convinced me to come help and the strategy which does actually kind of, is that you walk around with a cage.

Because a lot of house-tamed birds understand that cage usually means water, food, and safety. Right, okay. And you play bird noises because budgies are like super, super flock animals. And the second they hear chirping they chirp back and then they want to come join it so it'll like get them to come to you and then when they get to you they see like oh cage and food and water and this is that thing that i used to go into and when i would go into it things were good so it's very likely that they'll actually go inside right also there had been some sightings of the bird not by us and it was trying

to socialize with people and the people would like take a picture of it and then walk away budgies are not native to bc if that happens try to get it because it is someone's bird and it will die and it will die yeah like it's it was very scary for the actually days that it that it was out it was very surprised it survived that long. Um, we unfortunately weren't the ones that ended up finding it. Someone else did, which is good.

Another bird owner found it. Oh, wow. Um, but yeah, it got found because again, it wants to be, it was going up to people being like,

Hey, help me. There's pictures. There's a picture online of it sitting on a jungle gym next to some kid trying to be like hey and you can tell from the body language if you know birds you can tell from the body language it's like pay attention to me hello and there's other pictures of it like sitting on a on a park bench next to people just like on the park bench amongst people like it was clearly uh comfortable with people and trying to get help to people just like on the park bench amongst people like it was clearly uh

comfortable with people and trying to get help and people just kept taking pictures of it obviously a pet yeah which was crazy to me but i don't know um but yeah the person the person that found it had birds but was not a part of the actual rescue operation they just like happened to find it um and and our our concern right now is that no one knows who the actual owner is it was just a bunch of people reporting like this is clearly someone's bird oh so we don't know don't know who the owner yeah oh i might have said that oddly at the beginning but yeah i thought you were helping the owner so the report i guess you were but the report was that someone had seen the social posts and immediately clued in that it was someone's bird but it wasn't their bird but they were like we should try to help this

whoever this bird this is so the person that has it um doesn't really want to like bring it to a vet and stuff and it's like being all weird about it and kind of wants to keep it. But there's nothing that like we can do about it. So it's a weird night, but there's like a halfway happy ending. It's no longer outdoors where it has a huge chance of not surviving. Right. So that's good. Now it's indoors where it also has a huge chance of not surviving.

There's a concern there. Yep. That's thing yeah luke's had some bad luck it's yeah it's been better lately but birds are very fragile especially really tiny birds they get sick very quickly they're flock animals they don't want the flock to abandon them so they try to hide their sickness and they don't exactly have a lot of mass so they they tend to die very quickly um does the bird have microchips i i don't know we weren't the ones that caught it i don't think so can you microchip a bird usually you put a little band yeah around its foot yeah microchips are very different yeah it's like an injection i knew what they meant yeah someone else said is it banded yeah so i

don't i don't if from the pictures i don't remember i don't think it was though um but yeah that was that was interesting i uh i was talking to my girlfriend afterwards and she was talking about how when she's walking because she's doing the same thing she took the small cage i had a really big one my hands were very unhappy by the end of it because it's just this like wire yeah i have to hold the cage on um but she's walking around playing budgie noises um and holding this cage and a bunch of people apparently were like talking you're like oh what are you doing whatever no one talked to me not a single person i had a lot of people that were like jogging and they just... Gotta love pretty privilege, hey? Yeah.

Look it up. It's a thing. People would like avoid eye contact. They'd run by. I had one old dude who's going for a walk. I walked by him. And he's like in the middle of the track and he's like walking with a cane and stuff.

So I go off the track and walk in the grass just so he has an easy time. And I notice, I can just tell that he has completely stopped and turned around and just stared at me as I walk away.

I've seen a lot of things in my life, but I had never seen that before. The amount of kids that would like hear the bird sounds, see that I'm holding a cage and like get kind of excited and look at the cage and then realize there's no bird and just look at me really confused. And like, what's happening? Yeah. You have a new nickname in float plane chat, by the way, local nutter Luke. Yeah. I mean, probably.

I was trying to help, okay? Oh, man. But yeah, we went to like, there's a lot of little parks around that area. And the rescue group had like tracked the movements and stuff. So we were trying to figure out like where he would probably be next. So we were trying to figure out like where he would probably be next. Yeah. It's amazing how the difference between nice helper and terrifying person is like a Y chromosome and like 75 pounds. Yeah.

You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Should we talk about, do you want to talk about Ryzen 7000 versus 13th gen? Do you want to talk about Ryzen 7000 Versus 13th gen Do you want to talk about the fight

Let's talk about the fight Actually no we just did a non tech topic Let's talk about the Ryzen Alright General consensus on Ryzen 7000 These are some incredible chips That are bringing massive gains Like 20-30% improvements over their last gen counterparts in gaming and productivity

The 7950 X is undoubtedly the fastest mainstream CPU available and dominates everyone in productivity tasks, but The expense of the platform is a real issue Is this is this AMD That's weird. Where? Or is this Intel? You don't think like insanely... So my understanding is, yeah, the boards are like $500 each. Yep. That's crazy.

We are seeing prices that are lower now. That was just right at launch. We're seeing as low as $250 for an ASRock X670EPG Lightning. But AM5 only supports DDR55 which remains twice as expensive per gig as comparable ddr4 and the other issue as we outlined in our review is that amd's own ryzen 7 5800x 3d has gaming performance that matches that of the new 7700X, and only lags behind the Ryzen 9s by like a couple of percent on average. So for gamers, the upgrade to AM5 is currently not looking like a great value, especially because

AM4 boards and chips are cheap and cheerful. And here's the thing, you can look at AM4 and you can go, well, there's no upgrade path. And that's nice, but not everybody can actually afford the latest generation version of the AM4 platform. I have never been super sold on board upgrade paths. What if you are buying a Ryzen 2000 today because you want to get a deal? Okay, AM4 for you has an upgrade path a couple years from now three years from now boom you go ryzen 5000 with that same board you just got a big upgrade and probably for

cheap yeah right so fair enough you gotta think not everybody is thinking in terms of brand new today yeah um and and especially these days we're like okay the performance jumps we're seeing on some of the hardware that's coming out is immense like actually just huge yeah but the performance that people need at the same time to reach like competitive frame rates and stuff is not huge and it's not increasing at anywhere near the same rate so the gap between people's computer upgrades is getting like bigger and bigger and bigger as far as i can tell so you don't necessarily need to upgrade your cpu within generation every single time but you definitely don't want to upgrade at all if the motherboard's minimum cost is 500 which again it's down, but still that's really intense.

When we looked at productivity, the 7600X and 7700X were another issue. They don't really offer compelling performance over Intel's 12th gen mainstream chips, although their higher core counts, oh, though the higher core counts on the 7900X and 7950X allow them to run away with the productivity crown. But that's an issue.

Has AMD done it again? Have they gone from the expensive brand that's not really competitive in the mid-range and low-end? There have also been concerns expressed by the community around how hot these chips get. They will often run at 95 degrees on the hottest core before dialing back but amd says that this is by design and if you want you can target 115 degrees with an overclock before throttling and hard crashes will happen so far

we've been unable to get any of our chips to run hotter than 105 and we're not sure why my current computer like heats my house i don't i don't need more of that well here's the thing how hot the dye is in degrees celsius is not indicative of how much heat it outputs you could have a router that has its cpu running at 100 degrees yeah yeah it's not outputting a lot of heat the thermals are just not being properly managed. You could have a 300-watt chip that is running at 70 degrees with liquid cooling on it, and it is still kicking 300 watts into your room. It's just not running hot, if you guys kind of understand what I mean.

Conservation of energy, all right? It doesn't matter what temperature it's at it matters how much actual uh power it is consuming and therefore thermal energy is outputting in terms of maintaining room temperatures yeah what were you gonna say uh der bauer did some stuff with that as well is that in here yeah he delidded the 7900x and dropped like i think it's i think it was like 20 degrees or something yeah so there is some speculation that amd may have sacrificed thermal performance to maintain cooler compatibility with am4 coolers in which case good guy amd but i haven't seen any confirmation of that um what we didn't touch on in our review performance scaling

with ram speeds so we'll have to follow that up was going to say that was kind of interesting to me and immediately made me think like, okay, there's going to be another video. Eco mode, a lower power consumption mode for the CPU and manual overclocking. Now in the same week, actually the next day, Intel didn't launch, but announced their 13th gen processors with most of the details really being around the flagship 13900k 5.8 gigahertz turbo 24 cores now 16 of those are efficiency or e-course and only eight of them are their performance course but 24 cores and their e-cores aren't that slow they're like sky lake level like they're not they're not bad and 589 dollars the presentation was kind of fun 24 performance improvement in

games in some games one game is league of legends i think it was league of legends i didn't know it was one it's like league of legends or dota thought it was going to be like two or three at least. 34% faster in game development, Blender UE5. The Core i5 and Core i7 see similar but lesser improvements to speed, cache size, and core count. And the real winner is efficiency gains. Okay. Intel alleges that at 65 watts, the 13900K, so they also, I guess, might have like a similar eco mode, performs on par with the 12900K at 241 watts in a multi-threaded workload.

That's a quarter of the power consumption if that holds true. The big one though, is that Intel is going to have the affordable platform. Yeah. You can pick up a 13th gen chip, a Z690 board rather than 790 because 790 only adds some more gen four lanes

and USB bandwidth. So you can get a last gen board or B660 board, doesn't matter, as long as it's got a good enough VRM. You get some DDR4 memory. You throw this 13th Gen chip on there. And to be clear, we are going to check this out for you guys. We're going to make sure that with DDR4, it actually performs well. it actually performs well um and you're going to be able you're going to have like a latest gen platform for literally hundreds of dollars less i don't necessarily think the motherboard

thing is going to stay the same though if we've already seen the availability pop up with boards that are half the price of what we were originally talking about? Okay, so no, AMD's boards will come down. The boards will come down, but they haven't launched their budget chipset yet. And for 13th gen, neither has Intel. But because you're able to use a last gen board and all you're missing out on

is some PCIe lanes on the Southbridge, I don't know what they call it anymore, but whatever, the motherboard chipset, IO Hub, because you're just missing out on some PCIe lanes and USB ports, for gamers, you're not giving up anything. You go for your last-gen board with the cheapo mainstream chipset,

you put your latest-gen chip, you put your last-gen memory, that's another thing. DDR5, yeah, it's going to come down in price, but it sure as heck isn't today. And you might be building a system today. Now, this is the kind of competition I love to see because it's going to come down in price, but it sure as heck isn't today. And you might be building a system today. Now, this is the kind of competition I love to see because it's going to be back and forth.

For 14th gen, right? Intel's probably going to do their thing where a socket compatibility is only maintained for two generations. So it'll be a whole new platform with whole new expensive boards, right? Meanwhile, AMD is going to have budget like B760 or I forget what their budget boards are going to be called for this new platform. Six something? Anyway, whatever.

They're going to have new boards. DDR5 might be closer to price parity by that point. And AMD is all of a sudden going to look like the good bet. But I love it. It's back and forth. It's punches. You know, I just, I love seeing them duke it out. A lot of people say they want competition, but they don't really want competition. They want someone to make a product that's good enough to keep the brand that they like honest. And they're just going to buy that brand no matter what that other company comes out with but this is true competition this is this is two real options yeah that's cool not just something that's like good enough that that the monopolist can't price it at whatever they want

i am i'm stoked i think the brand wars are going to cook up because of that because for the last little while it's just been like like, buy AMD, buy AMD, buy AMD. But now that there's hopefully good arguments both ways, depending on specifically what you're doing and all that kind of stuff, it should make things a little bit more interesting. And I mean, you've got mid-cycle refreshes, man. Mid-cycle refreshes are a thing now. AMD's already talking about adding 3D V-Cache.

Intel already teased a KS version of this chip at over 5 gigahertz. Or 6, rather. Ah. It's exciting. It's exciting. Yeah, it's good. You want to talk about the fight? Yes. Spoiler alert. If you haven't seen the

latest channel Super Fun, we will be talking about the result of the epic, epic battle between me and Dennis um for context you know again like it's it's it's so tedious uh seeing you know my my words and actions taken in the worst possible light um so for context, I did not require Dennis to fight me so that I could like prove my manhood or something. I don't know. It would be a lot more interesting if you did. I don't know what you're talking about.

Dennis challenged me to a fight. And what he told me was that he was sick of hearing me complain about my scratched floor. So if he won, I could never talk about it again. And obviously, this was for content. He thought it was a really good video concept. I agreed, so we greenlit it. And the challenge was that Dennis was going to be allowed some amount of time to train.

It was not a lot of time. It was not like a normal amount of time for a fight. Yeah, I think it was like a couple weeks or was not like a normal amount of time for a fight yeah like i think it was like a couple weeks or something like that yeah like actually two yeah like it was well he had more time than that he could have trained but he wasn't filming a lot of fights are like months out oh oh yeah i mean i i remember being like blown away because i didn't realize how demanding it is when i found out that like top fighters would fight like once a year yeah i was like oh okay yeah well and they train specifically for that fight sometimes they're moving weight classes

like there's a lot of things involved with it however I will say this Dennis trained a lot more than me which was zero I help out in my in my girls class okay yeah I was gonna ask about that because we had talked and you said that you didn't train anymore no and then when I watched the video there was footage of you there yeah but like you looked a little rigid and like you weren't really training so i was wondering like were you doing a demonstration yeah yeah okay yeah i was i'm there to be like uh like a black belt helper in the class um and like i go around and help correct form and stuff like that like i don't remember any of my patterns or anything like that so i'm like but you can see when something's like obviously wrong yeah and

like if the if the if the master is like uh yeah can you help them with with this i'm like how's that go again yeah yeah no problem got it like i can immediately pick things up again because it's all stuff i've done before it's just been 20 years right yeah yeah yeah um so that's what i that's what i was doing i'm not actually like training or anything like that so the challenge was dennis would get a couple weeks to train and i would be going in cold yeah hold on you're making that face but dennis has as much martial arts training as i do no i made that face as a black belt because i was reminded of the the fact that he's doing so this was this was a specifically Taekwondo fight. Yes.

And he went to a Krav Maga. Well, I don't know. Look, if you didn't ask me for advice on how you should train. So like, yeah, he spent two weeks training. He also did some weird stuff in that time. Like, I mean, Krav Maga was super cool. But like so what okay not for this i think there are other ways he could have done it but i do understand

why he did it why he did krav maga why okay the reason he did that is because dennis's biggest problem is that all you have to do is move fast near him fear thing and you're like yeah yeah you're like flinches right he's a flinchy boy And so you actually saw that in the beginning of the video When I was laughing at him Cause I was like Basically I've been teasing him off camera as well I'm like dude you don't have a chance Because all I have to do is go like this

Oh yeah you did that And it worked And he was like you can't do that He was trying not to flinch cause I had already been doing that to him for like a week. Like every time I saw him, I'd be like, yeah, Dennis,

that actually makes a lot more sense. Yes. Because I haven't watched the whole video yet, but he, he, the, the Krav Maga guy is like, okay,

we got to do this because you need to like drop your nerves and like be able to be more calm. Exactly. So that was the whole goal. Okay. Exactly. So he was trying to be less twitchy. Yeah. And, and less like goal. Okay. Exactly. So he was trying to be less twitchy. Yeah. And less like freak out-y whenever something.

Which I will say at the fight, maybe that actually really worked because he didn't do that like at all, really. He did some moves that were very derpy, like keeping his arms down like this and other stuff like that. Okay, so we should talk about the fight. Yeah. Man, this is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Oh, yeah, I lost because I didn't train. Yeah, yeah.

I didn't lose. Yeah, have you watched the video? Why do you even watch this show? Go away. If you're actually just going to... Go away. If you're going to take everything I do and say in the worst possible way, you must hate me, right?

Because everything I do is awful. Okay, stop reading chat. Yeah, so let's talk about the fight. First of all, I want to say massive respect to Dennis. Yeah. He did way better than I expected. Dan, did you watch it? Have you watched the video already?

No, I haven't seen it yet. You haven't seen it? No. You should watch it. It's really good. So A, Dennis put up a way, way better fight than I expected. And B, it's a really good video. Yeah.

The training and the behind the scenes, uh, you guys, I, I'm not going to spoil everything, but Dennis put some serious thought and energy into both giving himself his best chance possible and sabotaging me in the most underhanded ways possible. So funny.

I heard about that. Without me realizing. So funny. At all. Um, however, I heard about that without me realizing At all Um However I wasn't Super thrilled with

How the rules Of the fight The format of the fight played out Yeah I would say that A lot of people were confused about the scoring So for one thing I will say that a lot of people were confused about the scoring. So for one thing, I will say that the scoring was not actually as abhorrent as it appeared to be in the video.

The way that it works, and Dennis only flashed up the scoring system for a second before taking it away, which I guess kind of makes sense in keeping the video's pacing moving quickly, but might not make sense in terms of people understanding what they're watching. The way the scoring worked was that a strike to the body, to the front or the side, I think is one point with the hands. A strike to the body, front or side, with the legs is two points. A takedown, so getting the other opponent's shoulders on the ground that's two points and then i think it was a spinning a kick to the head is either three or four and then a spinning kick to the head is like five oh right yeah it's a lot and the reason for that is not

because a spinning kick to the head is actually practical in a real world fight or flight, I choose fight scenario, but because it is slow. And so it demonstrates a clear reading of where your opponent will be and a quickness in your execution that is desirable in this particular form of sparring. We weren't fighting, we were sparring. So it's a points-based system. Yeah, and a lot of it's like

showing off technical ability and stuff more than uh uh being able to strike very hard or like knock your opponent out or we also played more like um like training or like uh like like kid or teenager rules in that we didn't allow like taekwondo mixed martial arts allows takedowns and allows strikes to the face but we played with takedowns but without strikes to the face yeah side and top of head were allowed i believe you can kick to the head but you were not allowed to strike with your hands okay to the head at all okay okay so what happened there were some definite like referee i wish the call had gone a different way moments.

There's, there's this part where I clearly catch his leg and throw him on the ground and he gets two points for the kick for, for the kick that never actually hit me. That was a little frustrating. I also, okay, Dennis,

this is going to be a controversial take. I don't think he deserved the points he got for that head kick. That was not a kick even in the footage it looks like he like moved my head with his leg but if you go back and watch slowly i'm actually moving and his leg grazes my head. I was going to say, because in person, it seemed less legit than when I watched it in video. And in video, because the camera's on the other side of the room, it seemed more legit. I think Dennis, being the editor of the video,

might have picked the most favorable angle for that kick to the head. However, that wasn't the biggest problem all right okay actually you know what i i'm talking about it a lot what did you think uh sorry one second i have to send this message oh i'm asking about a technical thing um i was a little annoyed by a few things just in just in how it was... The fight was very fun to watch. The event was very entertaining to be at.

I had fun. The video was very fun to watch. Something that is mentioned in the video like multiple times, but was like painful in person. Like it was definitely covered in the video. It was covered enough. It didn't need to be covered more.

But the breaks between rounds were actually crazy. Like the breaks between rounds were actually crazy like the breaks between rounds were longer than the rounds were um and i know linus actually defends dennis on this because linus is like i was tired too but like none of this made it into the video but there's i guarantee there's footage of me just like yelling at Dennis to start fighting and I'm on Dennis's side and there's there's one part when the when the ref starts counting for him to like get up because or he'd be DQ'd if he got to I think it was like 10 which is a long time to count for but he should have been he should have started that counting way earlier because he'd let him sit there for like

maybe it was less than this it felt like 30 seconds like on the ground yeah like not like standing like sitting on the ground yeah and like this is this is not necessarily i might have said it wrong this is not time between rounds this was after a stoppage during a round where they're just resetting to go again because like someone went out of the circle or a point was scored or whatever um so dennis's cardio is even worse than it shows in the video by a lot a lot like you didn't you didn't see a huge portion of the stoppages where we're all just standing there waiting for Dennis. And then he comes out of those stoppages, just flying all over the place.

Tons of energy. I had forgotten about this after he scored some point, he does a cartwheel like he's totally into it. And then there's a stoppage and he's like, Nope. Yeah. A hundred percent, which I mean with the amount of cardio that he has and how tired that he was,

the ability to pull it together and push through the tiredness and do some of the stuff that he did, good. One of the other things, though, is that as he got tired, and this happens, as you get tired, your hands start to kind of droop. And any of your trainers are going to yell at you for them to come back up. But he didn't exactly have a corner man so his hands are drooping hands are drooping hands are drooping hands are drooping and that's my biggest problem yeah is that a combination of dennis's tiredness and the format of the fight led to dennis basically fighting like this which, again, you can really only score points.

Here, here, and here. Yeah. Back doesn't count, right? So if he's standing like this, and the rules are that you have to get a clean hit, I pretty much had nothing to strike at. The only place is middle. So he said, what did he say

coward move or something like that because i kept going for leg grabs and takedowns he was like yeah leg pulls are a coward move or something like something like that which is weird because you're volunteering to receive a strike but whatever um and and and he's But he was standing like this With his arms in front of his body When what I wanted to do Was just punch him in the face then Because his hands are down Which is what a lot of people's reaction is going to be

Chicken move, he called it a chicken move Chicken move, okay, yeah But that would be Against the rules because you're not allowed to strike to the face. So both of us, just like the adrenaline was flowing and got demerits, actually. We lost points for striking the other one in the face at some point or another with our hands.

But I think that I could have maintained my guard a fair bit better. And so Dennis actually already challenged me to a rematch. It needs to be way further out. I have accepted, oh, 100%. Yeah. 100%. I would like some time to train a little bit.

I think that my cardio could be better. I was tired. I was tired too. I didn't want to show it because the last thing you want to do is show your opponent you're tired. But I was tired and i was in a lot of pain um me yeah yeah i i sustained a knee injury during the fight that was uh it's not dennis's fault he didn't do anything illegal or anything like that but i i grabbed his leg lifted his whole body weird like hopping jumping kick thing it It was really odd.

And then you happened to grab and pull. And you kind of pulled. Because he was off the ground when you pulled, which was weird, he kind of flew at you and then landed on your knee. Yeah, so I was really tired. And I was in a lot of pain. I want to get my knee real good. I want to get my cardio better.

And I want to get my flexibility better. I was having a really hard time kicking high. Um, he edited this out of the video, but I was really tired that day and I was really sore. I had played badminton the night before. You should probably not do that next time. Two hours. Yeah. And I had trained, uh, uh, either the day before that or two days before that. And I hadn't fully recovered when i played badminton that night so i was i was walking into the place and i didn't show it i didn't show it to dennis so i recorded all of this to other like camera operators so he would only see it when he was editing the footage but i was like like not sure if i was going to be able to kick it

head level when i was going into it i think i think there should be rule changes if you guys fight again uh so that's that that's the thing i want some more time to work on my flexibility and here are the conditions of my rematch i want three minute rounds yeah we only did one minute rounds which is like three one minute rounds the fact that yeah the fact that he couldn't get through a one minute round was ridiculous and the first round was not one minute there's no way oh really the first round was way shorter oh i was just like i was just like it felt like the next two might have been longer than a minute so maybe it made up for it in the in the overall duration but the first round was really

short i want delay of match penalties yes clearly out. And the timer needs to start like immediately. Yes. Clearly set out. And punching to the head and face is allowed. You're okay with a broken nose? I mean, if it happens, it happens. He's not going to hit me. I'm just saying.

He's not going to hit me. Only face? Only face. Yeah. Sorry. What? Headshots only what headshots only headshots only no no because then you just go like this and just kick yeah it just becomes like it's the same problem you have to have a reason to bring your hands down and you have to have a reason to bring your hands up otherwise there's nothing to strike at that's actually something i was going to mention maybe this gets solved with face punches being allowed but i was going to say if a kick

gets blocked to the side by an arm that did not have to move in order to cause the block i think it should count as points oh i see what you mean no i don't think you'd be able to do that because you can keep your your like you can feel that they're probably not going for a high strike and you can keep your hands low like that's totally legit but you'd still move it like some of the blocks he literally does nothing i know yeah yeah i know a lot like it should be intentional and even if your arm is already low there's gonna be an intentional thing to try to block a kick and there's there's just nothing it just didn't count i don't know trevor w and float plane says i think i'm behind but holy those were only one minute rounds yeah like it was ridiculous to watch the the

the time not between rounds but during the round the time during the stoppages was longer than the round for i believe round two and three yeah probably like it was okay there are okay there there i'd be willing to be flexible if he wants to do two minute rounds i i three is like pretty long considering his cardio considering making that we're making a video too like we've got to show everything but not but also edit it you know like it's it's gonna end up pretty long would you guys be willing to stream it and set a date maybe yeah yeah i'd be down because like it should be i think it should be an event i'd also be i would also be open to instead of like doing face strikes we could do side of the head and top of the head But you should be able to punch You must be able to get a point

On the upper body with your hands Because otherwise Think about it What on earth can you do against someone who just comes at you Like this and is just like Kick kick kick kick kick There's nothing to do other than grab their leg And throw them on the ground

Which is what he's doing. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I, I played, I played the game the way it had to be played, but that was not the way I wanted to play it.

I wanted to. In, in Dennis's, uh, defense with the list of rules that existed, he played the game the way he should have done. He did. And he did really well. He did. And he did really well.

He did. All things considered. I expected him to have about that level of cardio. I did not expect him to be as proficient as he was. Yeah, especially looking at, I watched, there's a float plane exclusive with some of his earlier fight training. He clearly had a lot of improvement over a relatively short period of time.

That'll happen if you have training and you're remembering and you're exactly. I just, what just happened? Why did this start doing that? I got it. That's weird. Um, but yeah,

I was very impressed with dennis to be completely honest um yeah that's about it yeah he did well so that's my that's my conditions that's my conditions for the rematch someone said ltx you're gonna do it at ltx you know dennis actually suggested ltx and i said no because i thought there was just ltx is so busy there's so much going on yeah and the last thing i want is okay so let's say let's say my nose does get broken it would have to be the end or i aggravate my knee injury again yeah but we're both going to be exhausted from doing ltx especially me that's true that's true so like yeah yeah i get it but also yeah okay sorry something that someone else mentioned.

Why, okay, by below the belt, I don't mean crotch, but why is there nothing below the belt? Leg strikes are a thing. Yeah, it's a thing, but it's also a thing that is very likely to cause injury. Okay. I mean, I get it. The martial art that I trained did allow leg sweeps. Okay.

But only like a spinning leg sweep. So it was kind of like how you get a lot of points for a spinning head kick. It's slow. It's slow and hard to pull off. And it makes you extremely vulnerable because if you go down, sorry,

if you go down like this, to put your leg out, you're exposing the top of your head and uh we also allowed we allowed so in the in the training that i had in the the sport that i did uh our sparring allowed a back fist to the top of the head that was the way to make the head count for something uh you could do something like that too. Like it doesn't, the head points that we're trying to get is not because we want them to like get hurt, just destroy each other's skulls.

You just need to be able to score points there. So if the whole thing was back of fist instead of like direct contact, that would be good. Like it just, yeah. I just had so many opportunities to punch him. So I just wanted to There needs to be some way to make you

Think about where your arms are And incentivize needing to hold your arms up Yeah, like Lance M asked Was the fight with Dennis cathartic? Um I think that's a great It was fun

It looked like, other than the knee injury, that you guys were into it and enjoying it. Yeah. Yeah, no, I actually had a blast. I haven't done this in 20 years. And I would do little tiny tournaments and stuff. I was a teenager, right? Kid-level tournaments.

But I haven't sparred since then. So yeah, it was fun. Someone mentioned Luke and Linus versus everyone else. but I haven't I haven't sparred since then so yeah that was fun I don't know someone mentioned Luke and Linus versus everyone else do you have any idea how many people work here now yes they could just dog pile on top of us and we wouldn't be able to move yeah and some of them are like quite large And proficient Like no That would be Probably not even that entertaining to watch

Hey have you seen the theme for the Christmas party this year? No It's pretty awesome if I do say so myself Yvonne and I worked on it together Full Plane has like an idea For our own sort of thing Oh really? Yeah So this is it worked on it together full plane has like an idea for for our own sort of thing oh really yeah um so this is it uh everyone gets uh there are i believe yeah there are 10 tables slash teams

uh and because it is our 10-year anniversary every team gets a theme that is one of the anniversary materials okay so the teams are paper cotton leather fruit slash flowers wood candy slash iron wool slash copper bronze willow slash pottery and tin slash aluminum so you will be as as usual uh asked to coordinate with your team to represent your theme and as usual you don't have to participate but everybody does dan you've done a christmas party now right that's right just the one right yeah yeah okay okay okay and would you recommend participating at the Christmas party? Fun is mandatory. Oh yeah. No,

you got to participate. You should. It's, it's part of it. It's good. It's a, you got to go nuts. It's a hoot.

Yeah. Uh, Gabriel says you guys always talk about them, but vaguely. Yeah. The reason for that is that it's an internal thing. Yeah. We like to,

yeah, we like to, I, I, I, I don't know. I guess I've never really asked anyone about it but i want to maintain some uh separation like this is not about this is not our thing we're not putting on a performance this is not about public relations this is not about anything this is

a chance for us to have fun with each other and make it not about making videos for for once, you know, like everything else we do is like, oh, but it's content. You know, is it content? What's the content? No, no. Oh, my God. No content. Just Christmas party. You know, so that's that's why it's it's it's not something that we have contentized yeah yeah it's fun though it's that's cool though that makes sense for a theme yeah that's cool i'm excited yeah 10 years it's been a long time 10 years yeah it's wild i was thinking the other day i think it's 12 for us or something yeah yeah it's just ridiculous it's creeping on half the amount of time we've been alive i know right it'll get there eventually maybe yeah i think yvonne and i crossed that threshold very recently yeah we've been an

interesting one together for half of our alive time and when you consider how little you remember of the beginning of your alive time like our actual like like part that we know of it's like most of it's like what did you know what was life like when and I yeah you know didn't have you there I don't I don't know yeah or yeah it's wild it's interesting fly a fan out for the Christmas party. No. It's literally, the point is to not do that. It's really nice having like the day to just not be on if you don't want to be. Like the only day.

It is. Yeah. Having it super private is super nice. Yeah. It's good. It's our thing. Yeah. Deal with it.

Should we do some merch messages? I think that's it for the main topics. But we have a ton of merch messages to talk to you guys about. I have a lot that are potential. You can have a look at those if you fancy. I can start going through those. Yeah, for sure. Want to read us some curated ones?

Hit me. Let's see. Ben asks, Hello Linus. With the rise of power consumption of computers, I have hit an issue in the USA where I cannot run four computers on the same room. Do you be like super illegal. Like you could, you could at your breaker, combine that circuit and run it at 240 volt that would give you that would give you some more that would give you some more power that's like really stupid though don't do that because you could just like fry other things that you plug into those outlets be pretty sweet because like a computer around 240 volt because switching modern switching power supplies and all that. So yeah, you could do that. Don't do that. You could... Let's see.

Man, you could... Oh, you could buy all new computers that are more efficient. Don't do that. That's stupid. Yeah. You could have an electrician come in and install new wiring with new circuits in part of the room. That's expensive. I'm sure you thought of that, and that's a bad solution. Or you could run an extension cord, which is what

you're doing now. Okay, in all seriousness, though, there may actually be nearby circuits that you could tap into. So if there's a room on the other side of the wall, for example, If there's a room on the other side of the wall, for example, again, this might not be to code either, but you could probably find an electrician buddy who might be willing to do it, and it wouldn't be dangerous to take that outlet, open up the wall on both sides, turn it around, patch up the wall, and then you'd at least have one outlet in the room

that was on a circuit that was intended for another room. So it's probably on a separate circuit. And that would be the way that I would probably say is the safest, most legit way to do that. We've got another one here from Matthew B. Linus, in ancient history land shows, you were often wearing a cad-pat parka. Did you serve in the armed forces or was it potentially cold? It was a weird gift from my parents. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know what happened to that jacket. That jacket. I have no idea either. And I definitely don't have it. It's not me. But that jacket got worn by like everyone. Yeah. At some point or another.

We were quite cold in the garage at the beginning of the company we had a community jacket yeah we've come pretty far sorry float plane whoops what oh my mic was muted oh yeah i'm out of practice They asked about the old Mil-Spec jacket I used to wear With like With camo on it No no no People are asking what was the question

Do you want to say it again? Linus used to wear a CAD-PAD parka Matthew was wondering if he was in the armed forces Or just perpetually cold. CADPAT is in Canadian pattern, Canadian camouflage. Oh, okay. I'm pretty sure. CAD, C-A-D-P-A-T, right?

CADPAT? Yes. CADPAT. Yeah. Yes. Next one. Sure. This is from Anonymous.

Hi, Linus. Do you have any plans to make a video about the massive backpack shipment coming in and how the Creator Warehouse is turning that around? They would be interested to see how you master such a logistical challenge. I don't. The Creator Warehouse is actually run by the former logistics manager for NCIX. And as far as I can tell, half of what he does is black magic. I don't understand it.

So I can't be involved in everything. And if it's running smoothly and they do ship a lot of orders per day, like when they have the stuff in stock, it goes. I don't ask questions. Good, you know? Thanks. Josh M asks, good you know thanks uh josh ms been a while since i've been able to watch the show live when doing your smart home stuff was uh savant ever a thought i'm an installer for them and

while highly proprietary they seem to be leading the market did you uh did you like consider a bunch of different stuff or were you just sent things to put in your walls kind of thing no i did consider a lot of different stuff no savant is not something that i looked into i mean that's the issue though is there's like a lot so it's shocking like you look at how many weird proprietary closed ecosystems there are for smart home stuff and how many people do you know that have smart anything in their houses and you kind of go everything i know about minimum order quantities for products and how much it costs to engineer a product and the math just doesn't make sense i've thought about this before i have a weird theory on it I could be just completely out to lunch but you know how the thing where like every

Vegas hotel the company that owns the hotel also owns the companies that supply all the clocks and the sheets and the cleaning supplies and the deodorant or not deodorant but soap and all that kind of stuff I feel like it's a similar thing I feel like contractor

construction companies that are building like high rises that have automation and stuff, spin up these things. I don't know. I honestly don't know, but I don't understand how the math works. Yeah. Cause it's, it's crazy. There's so many of these companies and I know very few people that have anything installed at all. And usually when they do, it's very simple. It doesn't have like just switches everywhere yeah i don't get it yeah you pay extra to not have it be smart yeah yeah with tvs okay let's move on here we got another one from anonymous question for luke about the yard podcast who is your favorite member and or

favorite guest they have had on the show i have no idea what this is wow um i didn't think we'd have a question about another podcast on our podcast um yeah this is a podcast we're getting pretty meta uh i like slime he's he's how i found the show and i find him entertaining they're all really good though they're entertaining i like slime too it's like goopy slime likes you oh well that just got really awkward it's a hangout on a barn sometime or something don't worry about it a barn yeah don't worry about it it's fine okay next question cool hey sure is this a person yeah i hope so don't worry about it do you think usb could ever get in the get to the point where it would be the standard used to connect all components inside a pc no yeah this is like an xkd c xkcd thing you know another standard it's

just not made for that yeah it's uh it's what's great about usb is it's hot pluggable and it's like super backwards and forwards compatible but that's not necessarily what you want for plugging in an RGB header on your, you know, light strip. So no, it's never going to be everything. Yeah, there's different standards for different things, right? Tommy W. asks, Hi Linus, do you have any advice on building a team for a small startup? I feel like I'm the wrong person to ask because my hiring strategy was to just hire people I liked and then hire people that they knew.

Honestly, like I do know how to hire, but I'm not methodical about it. I'm kind of scattershot. I'll ask weird questions during an interview and like if I get a good vibe, then I'll go for it. You know, there's really way more structured ways to do HR that I just, I haven't studied. I haven't practiced. I'm not qualified to give advice on.

I mean, I can say that you want to pick a team that you are okay being stuck in a small room with eight hours a day, five days a week at minimum, right? That is actually really important. So I was good at that part. But there's a lot of stuff that I'm not that great at. AJ points out in chat, I barely had an interview yeah that's true yeah like what do we know i do a lot i do a lot now but i don't think we count as a startup anymore so yeah alex b asked getting a screwdriver today and saving for the backpack which two fantastic launches in the last couple of months? Which product are you most proud of?

The screwdriver or the backpack? That's like asking me which of my children I love more, my son or Luke. There's no way I'm going to pick one. I love both of them equally. They were both a ton of work. I hope to have many years with both of them.

Am I talking about Luke and my son? Am I talking about the screwdriver and the backpack? We don't know. Okay, which one of your kids had a better upbringing then? Was the screwdriver easier to raise or was the backpack easier to raise? Well, the screwdriver was to raise or was the backpack easier to raise? Well, the screwdriver was real challenging pre-birth, but the

backpack is proving itself to be a bit of a post-birth difficult one to deal with. Difficult child. Difficult child. Wayne asks, other than USB cables, ltt is planning to make what other cables would you like to make hdmi displayport cat 5e cat 6 coaxial for i don't

think we're gonna get into i don't think we're gonna get into network cables that's just such a that's that's that's a deep deep deep rabbit hole i could absolutely see us doing hdmi display port coax i think is pretty unlikely but it it kind of depends on how usb and display cables go i think our ideal world would be that with our cable management product plus our cables you'd have everything you need for your pc setup i think usb and display is probably enough to be completely honest. Power. We could do power. I want SDI cables. I can't find one on the market that works for me. Oh, really? Well, what's your problem? They're not flexible or 4K enough.

Oh, okay. So you want them to be both flexible and 4K. Yeah. There's not like a coaxial stable that is good for long-term camera use, right? Oh, I mean, yeah, we could look into it. I think we were, and it was just extremely expensive. Oh, well, yeah, well, there's your problem then. That makes sense. Okay, moving on.

Let's see. We've got one from Michael here. Do you have another recommendation other than the Aura Ring? I don't want to say it wrong now. I'm scared. Have you tried Circular? I haven't. I don't want to say it wrong now I'm scared uh have you tried circular I haven't uh I don't have another recommendation like that's the that's the really frustrating thing about this is aside from them being really difficult to deal with I really like the product yeah yeah sorry um and like for

me honestly the whole health tracking thing is very take it or leave it. I, I have been, I've been blessed. I've been very lucky to not really have to worry about tracking my blood oxygen level or, or anything like that. Like I, I just kind of, I eat when I'm hungry. I, I sort of move around more when I feel like I'm getting a spare tire. I just, I kind of do what my body tells me to do. Uh, so I don't need a ring to tell me to do any of that. Um, but I just, I just kind of liked it. It was just kind of numbers for geeks for me. So I'm probably not going to go actively pursuing an alternative to it because the only reason I ever used it in the first place was because they sent me one for free and I figured I had better try this if we're going

to do a sponsored video on it and it's like a health product so I probably just won't do anything I mean same sort of vein you're not wearing your watch today no I forgot to put on my watch this morning I do have that withings um scan watch and it's like cool I guess because I kind of have like a reverse merch message now oh you do your your watch that you're wearing now like isn't a pebble uh and so shank would like to ask you why you're not wearing the pebble that he uh this is the problem with gifts but it's also there oh you got it on the backpack that's awesome i just wanted to friendly rib you about it i will i will daily drive it again i will give it i will give it a shot i will give it a shot but i appreciate the gift and for me it's more about like remembering the pebble

uh the one good smart watch i ever owned the pebble time great i'm sure he'd be happy to hear that uh another one from anonymous would lmG ever consider absorbing a content creator, assuming it was mutually beneficial? The brand didn't tread on existing content, that sort of thing. We sort of have. Really? With Horst, right? No, no, he was working for like, he was doing like local like community video for a big company i guess he's not yeah it wasn't his channel yeah no no well he is now it wasn't yeah yeah yeah what do you think what should we do should we go on a big like acquisition spree i think in a lot

of situations it isn't the right move um i think if it was the right move that we would do it i know we've technically tried in the past um and then it was decided mutually that it wasn't the right move yeah i mean it can be the right move i ran into both mythical and smosh down at creator summit and they both seem okay they seem to be doing great yeah sounds good but i think those situations will be rare and they found one which is fantastic um but yeah situations are rare never say never but i i mean i don't um a big part of what makes a youtube channel work is the team that has made it work and so i i feel like unless you're acquiring the talent, you better have a really solid plan for how you're going to maintain the soul of that media property, because it isn't

just a media property. But then there are exceptions. Now that the business is maturing, you're seeing some channels that really were started just as business endeavors and are structured more like traditional media companies. And so, yeah, there could be situations where it might make sense. With that said, I think our expertise is building YouTube channels and brands. So in there will always be the question every time of could we just build it ourselves and if we could then should we do that instead and if we can't then is this such a unicorn that we can like can we even afford something that's so amazing that we couldn't have done it and so the answer to those the answer the answer to the questions have to be yes i can I can afford it and no, we couldn't build it.

That seems like a small overlapping Venn diagram circle, you know? Okay, we got a special message here from Jeff. He wanted to give a happy birthday to his wife, Sarah Blankenship. She's one of the rare and

amazing human females that love LDT, the entire crew, including myself, apparently. And, yeah, just wanted if you guys could wish her a happy birthday. Yeah, happy birthday, Sarah. So, that's always a fun one. Another one from Samuel.

What is the reasoning why iGPUs are not benchmarked during CPU reviews? When you talk about ultra-budget computers using an iGPU, it can be a good idea, but it's hard to tell which ones are good or not. Yeah, it's a good question. I would say that with Ryzen 7000, the reason we didn't really talk about it was because if you're spending that kind of money on a CPU, the iGPU is a coprocessor. It's for, you know, hardware or video encoding or something like that. It's for whatever features you might take advantage of on that iGPU. I don't realistically expect you to game on it in the longer term because you just bought DDR5 memory, a $250 to $500 motherboard, and like a $300 plus dollar CPU. Like what are you doing? If you're, if you're spend, if you're spending that kind of money and you don't have a graphics card, you did it wrong. You didn't build a balanced machine. So from my point of view, it's kind of irrelevant in the context of that product. But if we were reviewing something that is like, you know, $139 chip that could very well go in a $50 board and use onboard graphics for an extended period of time, then it would absolutely

be something that we would look at more closely. Okay, got another one here from anonymous. Do you think Google is simply not interested in maintaining a product that doesn't print money and have billions of users the way Search, Android, and YouTube do. Well, yeah, I mean, you see that in any large company, right? There's the whole innovator's dilemma thing where it's really, really hard as an established company to start up new business endeavors because they are inherently not worth the time and attention that they require.

they are inherently not worth the time and attention that they require. So that's why acquisitions are so common for as companies get larger and larger and larger because it doesn't you can't never innovate because then eventually someone will come and eat your lunch and you can't innovate because it's a waste of time and money to innovate. You know what I mean? So yeah obviously they're they're looking for the next big home run, right? Because nothing else is even going to register. It's like a million dollar business to us, right? Like a million dollar product idea to us.

So that's, you talk in terms of like yearly revenue. That's a big deal, right? Million dollars is a lot of money. To Google? Rounding error. Irrelevant, right? So they're operating at this just completely, utterly different scale, right?

And honestly, I don't have the background to really speak to the kinds of decision-making processes that a company like that would go through. At that scale. Yeah, I don't get it. Some of the stuff is just bizarre though yeah for sure what is it like meat and other more different meat new and duo how that went through is astonishing like i just and meanwhile the meat teams you know watching project cancellations Or looking at it going which meat I just want them To build one final

Video conferencing platform called Beyond Meat Note how I timed it For when he was drinking That was on purpose Almost got him He's followed He didn't spit it all over the laptop.

It's his laptop, too. Oh, man. This one's from Richard. You have the best 4K HDR TVs, sound systems, and PC hardware. Do you think having access to the best tech for so long has

skewered your idea of what an average person wants in terms of tech. Your viewers are the techier crowd, but I bet most people won't notice FPS past 128 hertz. I think it's a temporal problem, right? So yes, I have cool stuff and whatever. And so does that change what people might want or might aspire to? Or does that change my perception of what people might want or aspire to? No, I don't think so. I think it just means that I'm there a little bit earlier, right? Like we've seen this throughout the entire existence of modern electronics and technology is that when it comes, it comes for

a select few, whether it starts out in the enterprise or starts out as a like, okay, smartphones are a perfect example. It starts out as this niche thing for the uber wealthy, like, um, I forget who it is. Someone here, uh, knows someone, I think it might be James who knows, like intimately knows a, like a home automation installer. And he was telling me about the kind of stuff that, that like the, the uber wealthy have in their homes. Like we're talking motorized TV mounts where it like goes back and hides in a, in a completely invisible wall panel. And then it comes out and angles out this way so that they can watch TV while they're in the kitchen.

And it's like specifically for that. Or like subwoofers that are under the ground so that they won't be visible and they actually shake the ground by the pool side so you can like really get into your party vibe or like whatever it is. This stuff exists now. Has existed for 10 or 20 years right but you don't

have it you don't even aspire to it and yet even wall mounting a tv was unheard of 10 15 years ago that wasn't mainstream right yeah well i think now it's just normal well yeah you just want your tv i i think it's almost irrelevant, and that might be surprising. But what I would say is that as long as you try to keep yourself true to explaining how good or cool something is, and you point out the price points, that's for the other people to decide. But my point is that the price point will come. people to decide but the my point is that the price point will come so what ltt has really always been is really cool cutting edge stuff and that might not be today for everybody but it will

come eventually no matter what game it is no matter what you know rip in tier fast cpu or gpu it is, no matter what, you know, rip in tier fast CPU or GPU it is, someday it will be cheap. Every experience will eventually come. And so I think that we do get a lot of criticism for not talking about low end hardware. And I think a big part of that has been that I've never been a fan of low end hardware. I want high end hardware. I'll take used high end hardware. Absolutely. I totally understand. Not everybody has the budget for brand new-end hardware. I'll take used high-end hardware. Absolutely. I totally understand. Not everybody has the budget for brand new high-end hardware. Been there. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't buy good stuff.

Don't buy bad stuff. And that also doesn't mean that you should get the highest end stuff either. Like there's a sweet spot. It's all about the sweet spot i guess that's what i'm trying to say yeah so yeah i i do think there are things a lot of people won't notice but i also think that it's sort of my job to figure out what you will notice and what you should direct your resources toward uh like so up to the the crowd to decide if they will notice it or not like the example you gave of noticing fps past 120 hertz okay so

first of all fps and refresh rate are not equivalent there are benefits to higher frame rates other than just making sure that you've got whatever matches your monitor because it decreases the latency of your of your inputs, right? So yes, most people won't notice a refresh rate with an appropriately high frame rate past about 120 hertz. But we've made that video. And we've also made videos where we talk about these higher refresh rates monitors and how they they do feel smoother and they do feel better. And if you could have one for a reasonable price or for a small uplift over one that isn't uber high refresh rate, well, then you might as well go for it. It's just a matter of when that is going to intersect with so that you've got like the desirability of it and the cost of it. Where do those lines meet for you? Right's it's all personal all we can talk

about is what it is and it's up to you to determine if it has a value for you okay i've got another one here from emmanuel uh hey linus has inflation and the current negative market affected ltd in any way also happy to get my hand happy to finally get my hands on one of the LTT screwdrivers. Has it gotten easier to hire devs? Hiring devs is still a nightmare. We're also in Vancouver, which doesn't help. Yeah, so not really, to be honest. Because we haven't had any layoffs or anything like that, but there have been industry layoffs.

So like... I've... Yeah, like we're not, by the way, we're fine. I've had a lot of people late applying. Like the post is still up on the website because we're like kind of still interested in collecting resumes. But I'll see...

This is actually kind of interesting. I'll see like so-and-so company lays off like some huge percentage of their workforce and then our resume intake goes like right yeah and it's okay interesting um but it hasn't become easier any impact on us would be from external sources we are pretty well diversified now and a big part of that, hey thanks for buying that screwdriver, is you guys. So much of our funding comes directly from our community that it would be very difficult for us to reach a position where we could be crippled by economic conditions that are outside of our control. by economic conditions that are outside of our control.

We might see some advertising pullback. I don't know that it's been significant yet, but we could see something like that. We might see AdSense dip. I don't know. But, you know, okay, let's say they fall by 30% each or something like that. We'd still survive. We're good.

We're built to last. Okay, from Richard. On the subject of companies killing services slash products, is there anything you wish stuck around? I mesh Nexus devices. What on earth is a Nexus device? That's what Pixels were. It was cheaper Pixels.

It was like cheap, crappy Android phones and tablets, except they weren't that crappy because Google was subsidizing them. They were awesome. Yeah. They were like prime time. But they were priced like cheap, crappy Google. That's dangerous to do. Yeah, they were kind of great.

Yeah, I mean, Nexus device, definitely a good one. I wish Oculus was still Oculus. That would have been cool. Oh, you're going to make me cry. That one hurts a lot, actually. Right through the heart. I had a DK1. I was been there from the start.

You know what? I miss DFI. Man, they're like LAN party motherboards with the UV reactive slots and stuff. There was a short period there where they were like They're like LAN party motherboards with the UV reactive slots and stuff. There was a short period there where they were just the shiz when it came to overclocking and all that. I'm sad that Case Labs is done-zo because I never made enough money to ever afford a Case Labs case.

So I never got to experience it. And now they're gone. And that's just sad um but for me i mean you did make enough money at some point to afford one but you got free computers by then not really when they were alive what not in not in shut down till like two years ago what are you talking about that was more than two years shut up Shut up. No. Really? Was it not? I thought it was closer to like four. August 2018. Oh, four years.

You could have afforded a case labs case four years ago. Stop. Not on my metrics. Shut up. Everyone's version of affordability is personal. Yeah, but you also eat nothing but chicken breast. Chicken breast is expensive right now, dude. It wasn't.

Grocery bills are going up. It wasn't four years ago. Don't move the goalposts. They're just giving away budgies in the park now. He's moving. Nobody wants you to know this, but the budgies in the park are free. I have dozens of them. Your food mill's gone to nothing.

You can just take them. That's a good reference. I'm so sorry. Are we even talking about? Yeah. What were we talking about? We were talking about that you are the biggest cheapskate ever. Yeah, pretty much.

You could have afforded a Case Labs case just fine. It would not have been wise at that time. It wouldn't have. I was saving to buy a place and stuff okay yeah so anything is unaffordable yes if you're if your bar is literally that i am now not spending a dollar so case candy bars i if only i could if only i could have had a Kit Kat bar before that. Yeah, well, you could have. You just, like. It's a want, though. It's not a need.

Oh, my God. That's very pragmatic. My case was fine. I'm with Luke on this. Yeah. All right, let's move on. James asks, as a bike rider on the next backpack, could you add reflective panels for increased visibility?

You know, we wanted to do, we wanted this one to be reflective down here at the very least. I forget why we didn't do it. I think it was like a durability concern because the reflective materials were not particularly durable. And we figured that the solution to that would be that if you really wanted reflective stuff on it, you can get like reflective iron on patches and you could just put them on. I know it's not a perfect answer, but that's the answer. Here's a suggestion that'll probably be a no. But I know there's been talk about a rain cover.

We are working on it. What about a reflective one? That's not a bad idea. But I mean, yeah, the rain cover. Okay, well, hold on, hold on. I don't want to commit to anything. Because the cover first and foremost needs to be waterproof and if the reflectiveness will cost us anything in terms of waterproofness i don't want to i don't want a water resistant ish rain cover i wanted to actually stop water from getting into the bag did you say waterproof and

nothing is waterproof nothing is ever waterproof but i want it to be as water resistant as possible. Rain should not be a problem. That would be the goal. That would be the goal. Okay. Hey team, FYI, I couldn't post a merch message on your Android while logged in, but I can as a guest.

The live section didn't come up. Would you guys try compressors on your mics when you're quiet? Oh, I think for me... Why is this a curated one? For me, the main concern is that I get too loud. So I don't know if our compressor is actually tuned for when I'm too quiet. I don't remember curating this one. I did.

Sorry. You did? Okay. Yeah. So we actually do have a compression stage in our audio chain. We have both a hardware compressor and then also a software compressor. The idea is I want to maintain Linus and Luke's dynamic range with being able to prevent any sort of digital clipping or even analog clipping from that stage there. It's difficult to keep these guys in check.

The mic position is not always right. You've got different levels of excitement, you know, and it's not a perfect room either. So we're going to pick up any background noise from our AC and that sort of thing. Listen to this guy blaming everyone but himself for our audio challenges. Yeah, well, I'm thinking after today, you know, I was fixing some of those wrinkles. I was looking at this setup here. This just needs to go. We need something else.

I'm going to fix this place and no more GoXLRs are going to be mentioned. This is going to be the best podcast set live streaming set you heard it here i swear on linus's uh life son i don't get it wow get it yeah get it okay i'm gonna make this good that camera's not on anymore but that was very good if you guys could have seen but that was very good. If you guys could have seen that, he was very enthusiastically pointing at the camera. I just want it to be easy for everybody and not terrible and sound better. Anyway, yes, I use two types of compressor, and I'm still bad at this.

The merch message thing while on Android is a limitation of shop pay. You are logged in, and shop pay is your default selected option. So it goes to shop pay and by going to shop pay, it skips past that page if I remember correctly. This is not something we can fix right now because it's not something we can fix at all until Shopify allows us to. They are aware of the problem. I doubt it's like the highest brownie thing because they're

kind of a really big company and we're just one of their many partners. But they know about it and they do seem to care and maybe eventually it'll be fine. I think maybe checkout extensions in the future will allow us to fix it or something. I don't know. It's been a long time since I've had that conversation. All I know right now is there's not much we can do about it right now, or maybe something recent allowed us to. I don't know. Last time we looked into it, we couldn't. We've been working on the new theme. The new theme's coming like real soon fast. So once that's out, maybe we'll look back into those types of things. This is so sweet. I just got a message from Patrick Kennedy from Serve the Home. Sorry for the late note. Yeah, I'm still working. Just wanted to say thank you for looking at me like I was a moron

for not doing video on that walk in Taipei. We just hit 100,000 subscribers. It's been super fun. Thanks for the inspiration. Yeah, you bet, man. I mean, you were. Video, man. It's the way.

It's the way. It's the way. And they've been killing it over there. They've been doing a great job. More? Do you want more? I mean, we have more. We got more. This one's from Christian. Hey've been doing a great job. More? Do you want more? I mean, we have more. We got more.

This is from Christian. Hey, guys. First time message. I missed the start of the show, so I don't know if you've covered it, but what is your take on Mr. Who's the Boss video talking about Samsung batteries expanding? I've been meaning to watch it.

I have no excuse. I've just been busy this week. I haven't seen it. What I've gathered so far from just people tweeting at me about it is that out of all the like phones that he has kicking around, the Samsung ones are the ones that are swelling. Um, I would really need, I would really need to see a really big sample size of, of phones to really determine if it's a Samsung specific problem. You got to understand Samsung also makes the batteries for like a huge number of other phone makers. So unless you're also

seeing this pattern in other phones that have Samsung batteries in them, I don't know that I would read too much into it. Another thing that I know is that I've seen the way that some YouTubers, I don't know how Aaron stores his phones, but I've seen the way some YouTubers store their phones and it's really bad. Like just in a drawer or in boxes in no particular charge state, it's really bad for them. So leaving them plugged in all the time is bad. Leaving them not plugged in for extremely long periods of time, also really bad. These batteries, the way that they're built into these devices are designed for everyday use. They're designed to be used every day or at least every

few days and not just left in a particular charge state for long periods of time. not just left in a particular charge state for long periods of time. I don't know that I am able to form any kind of opinion on this at this point in time. Did you know, partially because of that reason, there's emergency SAT phones that are designed to run off of, I think it's AA batteries, but they have some modern ability like i think you can even get like maps and stuff apparently he has a rack where he stores them but i don't are they are they somehow software controlled so that they're maintained at about 50 charge or are they left charged all the

time um i don't know i don't know so i i just i just would have to I would have to know a lot more I'm sorry guys, I haven't watched the video yet Hard to comment when you haven't watched it Yeah, I do intend to watch it because this has absolutely been making the rounds Next up, got another one from Jeffrey I've been waiting for the Chungus bottle since it was first revealed

Sorry, there was one last thing I wanted to say If you store a lithium battery incorrectly it will swell So it's not like samsung screwed up their batteries um so so i just i can't speak to well we'll see yeah so we'll see video i've been waiting for the jungles bottle curious about how youtube handles retention for videos watched at faster speeds. I watch most things at one and a half times or faster and I'm worried it hurts creators. It does not. It counts.

So if you watch at 2x, the creator gets the full watch time for the runtime of the video, whatever it is that you watched. Yeah, I watch mostly everything at two times. That's one of my wife's things is she'll be reading comments on a video and she will always just let the video play at 2x with the volume down while she just reads comments.

I'm like, you can just get the Creator Studio app. You don't have to do it like this. She's like, oh, every view counts. Okay. Okay. This is from Colton. Luke, when did you begin your path as a software engineer? At what point in your tenure working with Linus did you decide that that was your future path?

Or was it something you were always working on in the background? It definitely wasn't while I was working with Linus. It started... I inspired him. And I'm not. With my software development skills. It's your fault? Yeah.

He's struggling with HTML. Or were you good at it? I don't remember. There's something with HTML. Yeah. I probably was trying to like bold something and you were like, okay. Yeah. I remember something with HTML like really early on.

I don't remember what it was or what it was about. Yeah. I'm not, by the way, I just, I lead a team of software developers. Yeah, I'm not, by the way, I just, I lead a team of software developers. Um, but I, I became interested in software development really early on because my dad used to talk to me about it. Um, like way back in the day, my dad was a plus certified, super into computers all the time. He used to talk to me about old, uh, like, like punch card programming stuff. Um, I remember he, he almost tried to like scare me away from it at one point because he wanted me to like, like punch card programming stuff. I remember he almost tried to like scare me away from it at one point, because he wanted me to like, be sure that I was actually interested.

And he talked to me about the old type of debugging that they used to have to do back in the day. It used to be brutal. And I had the very good experience of looking into more modern development at that time and realizing that it wasn't as bad as it used to be when he had looked into it back in the day. But yeah, I was interested from a very early age and I started delving into it in like right at the beginning of high school. There was a couple other people in my grade that were also interested. So I had some people to bounce off of, which was cool. My, uh, my computer teacher, Mr. Trattle, I believe he's still, uh, I think he's the principal of a school now. Um, but he was awesome. I'm not surprised that his career advanced because he was fantastic. He was very accommodating to me wanting to push further and drive more. I got the award for the

top grade in computers 12 when I was in grade 10, which was sweet. Cause he let me like, I completed the entire curriculum for some computer class in like a couple of weeks. So he let me just take the next one with the rest of that semester. And then I completed that one. So he like gave me some extra work. And then the next semester we did like the same thing where we just stacked a bunch of courses into other ones. And I ended up doing like, he let me like build my own computers curriculum while I was there. Because he knew I was just very interested and he wanted to support that. And I really, really deeply appreciated that.

And that's a huge reason why I went down that career path. Was because I was very particular about like supportive teachers. I tended to do really well in those classes and unsupportive teachers. I tended to do really poorly in those classes. He even, I don't know, I'm turning this into a thing about him. I don't know why, but he knew there was a bunch of kids in my grade that were really interested in computers and software development stuff. So if I remember correctly, this story, he went to BCIT himself for a summer semester and came back and took what he learned there and created a new course for us, which was 3D game development. And in that semester, we learned way more advanced development stuff than we could have otherwise we we made actual games and our final project of the course was to submit a game

that had like projectile physics and all this type of stuff going and he taught us all this stuff really really cool um and that like just made me so much more interested and i kept pursuing it and then uh ended up dropping it to make youtube and then ended up picking it up again to make a float plane. And then I don't know. There you go. Do you notice half the float plane chat is staff right now? I think Tynan's in there. Looks like Jake from Labs is in there.

I see AJ in there. Dan, Dan, are you in there? You're not a mod. OK, we should probably get that all sorted out. Don't you guys have other things to do? I mean, it's almost 10 p.m. Joe's hanging out. It's the only way we can find things out about the company.

So it's like, this is our weekly newsletter. Oh, hey, we're starting this thing called Labs. Hey, look't we canceled labs we didn't cancel we didn't cancel labs we didn't cancel labs yeah i didn't know there was a christmas party awesome hilarious all right um oh i had a couple of questions from people in floatplane chat though i was having a look at it um i was asked about the logitech brio scandal that random frank p posted about i have not had a chance to watch the video but it sounds like it's something pretty sketchy so

you guys should go check that out or i don't know maybe it's a bad video probably isn't a bad video so yeah you guys should go check that out it comes right on the heels of i actually had asked for this to be included in the wan show doc this week but it's not here it comes on the heels of, I actually had asked for this to be included in the WAN show doc this week, but it's not here. It comes on the heels of us finding out Logitech was being kind of sketchy about user reviews of their cloud gaming device. So what happened after the show was it was found that my positive review with lots of stars went through no problem. So it was reviewed and ultimately was submitted to the site or was posted on the site. And my more balanced two star review was not posted. So whatever curation process was taking place, we demonstrated that more stars were going through and less stars were not, which really raises a lot of questions about Logitech's transparency and the way that

they curate user reviews on their site because they're not really useful if they're just only positive are they um then then what happened is all of the reviews were wiped except for my two-star review for a bit then like the next day all the reviews were pulled and they formally said, oh, we're not putting reviews on this page because this thing isn't even out yet. Fishy. Yeah, that doesn't really like fix the problem. No. And you haven't really addressed what you guys are doing.

Not at all. With reviews on other product pages, for example. quick thing just because i think there's some of this happening right now if you if you are staff and you are the staff flag in full plane chat email support at fullplane.com from your official work email that is the only way to do it i just used linus's account oh no don't do that yeah no it's not actually my account it's the right we don't use the channel account account yeah name and chat though is just linus so everyone always thinks it's you we don't use a channel account account yeah name and chat though is just linus so everyone always thinks it's you yeah which is also a problem that's very problematic yes more merch messages uh razor apparently also has a competitor to it so what i guess that's something I don't know. But they're really focused on, like, cellular.

So expensive. And worse in every way. Okay, cool. I like Ars Technica's headline here. Razer is making a streaming-focused handheld console for some reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's super legit. Oh, man. Yikes.

I like it. Frank's video title is SPICY. What is it? Logitech is LYING in all caps to us. To us? Woo! Woo! I gotta watch that.

That's interesting. Okay, you want another one? What product has the highest margins on the ltt store so i know what to buy next also will you have four xl hoodies t-shirts for us bigger folks in the future uh yes we will we are working on that uh i know it's taking longer than we'd like but we are working on it now that we've got our big, like 50,000 t-shirt order of the standard sizes, we can turn our attention to our extended sizes.

We want to do Husky Boy, Lanky Boy, smaller and bigger. So that's a goal. I know I've been talking about it a long time, but it's taken us a long time to get our own shirt lengths going. They're really good though. I'm really happy with them,

but it takes time. As for what product has the highest margins, you can buy gift cards and then never redeem them. Oh. Oh, yeah. Well, that's true. Genius. Cut the bump.

If you just want to send a donation, hey, we're more than happy to take it. And then if you ever change your mind, you can buy something on the store. Win-win. That's fair enough. Someone in chat said, this might be more for the Asian market.

My family is from Taiwan, and they primarily use cellular data even for home stream and computers. And I have heard of that. Okay. But like for gaming? Yeah. This is a thing. I've heard of this before. But like multiplayer gaming?

Yeah. It's totally a thing. I mean, are your latencies just... Some people even have like cell boosters and stuff and their cell setups they are just like better than what we have yeah i mean maybe which makes sense population density tiny island versus canada yeah i mean okay i'm not into it but like yeah maybe that's why razor is doing it i don't know they do have the like actual in

location razor store in taiwan and stuff like that yeah glad you enjoyed the video solar daddy watch the fight video says it's uh incredible most underrated video this year it's good heck yeah by the way there were a couple things i had intended to reply to last week i put them in a notepad doc here captain said said are you going to do a 2022 update on how you guys make money? I was thinking about it. I felt like it might be a little soon, but it's changed a lot. It still feels like it's soon, even though it's changed a lot. Yeah, but it's changed a lot.

Like it's really different. So I don't know. If the idea of the series is that people know how we make money right now they don't fair enough fair enough and then nipless cage said seriously though if you want a chance to get on the merch message list you have to buy early but you don't get the deals till the middle of the stream i hate it that's not true it doesn't matter when you buy it you're selected based on what the producer decides to curate and all the curated ones we do do a lot of questions that don't get curated might be really good but we might have answered them last

week yeah and so you might just get a text reply and it might show up down here so you just got to kind of watch for it sorry we're doing our best with it or we get like 40 at the same time and i fat finger gotta pick one of them or that yeah which is why we like merch messages so much because then if we don't reply to it at least you get your order in the mail yeah uh last one i guess okay yeah let's do it uh this is from bill hovercraft.com, a project startup from LMG like Floatplane, but instead of video streaming, it's a cloud gaming service. Maybe start off with retro or public domain games first, then AAA games.

How did this get curated? No. It wasn't me. That was me. Linus. I'm just messing with you. You're going to blame me. I don't want more insanely difficult projects.

I would like some softballs for the development team. You could get a real CDN like Azure. Yeah, let's take an absolutely miniscule size team and make one of the hardest possible things you can do on the internet. And also, let's not use the cloud services

because those are expensive and they restrict you. At least we won't cancel it. That's true. We're still around. Cancel it when Floatplane goes under. Never! It can't sink.

It's in the name. Oh, it could flip over. Nope. You put all the CDN weight on one side. Hardware costs on the same side. Development costs on the other side. Okay, it's balanced. Okay, there's two. We're fine.

Okay, there's two more. We might as well just do them. Anonymous asks, would you happen to know why NVIDIA is charging so much in Australia? The 4090 converts from USD to 2,400 Australian dollars,

but it's actually 2,900. So it's a combination of things. It's resellers taking advantage of that Australians are used to paying more for things and taking more margin in all likelihood, whether that's distributors, whether that's the actual retailers, I couldn't tell you, but I pretty much guarantee you there's some of that happening. And then NVIDIA is probably playing that game too. A lot of the time... Isn't there also like import import taxes there can also be import taxes and tariffs that are not the fault of the manufacturers so it could be some combination of those three would be my best guess i'm going to archive that now and finally tyler d asks y'all mentioned dev jobs

earlier are you interested in newer graduates i have over a year of dev experience and think working with you guys is a dream job well it, it's harder than you think, for one thing. We're not like this fun all the time. We're not actually really taking any applications right now. I do have a position on the team now that is supposed to be more of a transitionary position, which is a junior position. The idea is that you come in, work as a junior. Eventually, we push you forward onto other projects, and then the next person comes into that slot. But the person filling that position is newly in that position.

So you have to wait some time. Jake from the lab is particularly passionate about Stadia. I don't think he was in the chat while we were discussing it earlier, but he's like, as someone who tested Stadia extensively, it had the absolute, without best platform technology wise and you know what that's that's a super good point but it doesn't google man yeah the trust isn't there

yeah just that it does it sucks it sucks they did this they built something really cool and then we're like lol forget it i completely believe. As far as my understanding went, the tech was fantastic. The problem is that, like the Red Dead player, 6,000 hours into Red Dead and it's gone now. Yeah, it sucks. You can't trust them

with this type of stuff. Yeah. Like, we never at any point said Stadia was bad tech, you know? And so I get why people are so frustrated and passionate about it. It's just Google doing Google things, man.

It sucks. And I think that's pretty much it for the show today. It's got to be. Thanks for watching. We will see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. I'm going to bed. Bye.

Yeah, I hear you. Oh, wait, I'm not supposed to do this, right? No. Can I do it? Because there's no thing, right? Oh, so hear you. Oh, wait, I'm not supposed to do this, right? No. Can I do it? Because there's no thing, right? Oh, so then you could, I guess. But you might as well just do it through here and get used to it. Fine, fine, fine.

Oh, I'm supposed to do it from in here? Oh, there's an incoming one. Holy cats, you guys are still going? Mad props. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm just going to run it. Archive. I'm going to run it.

No, I archived it. I'm running it. Run it. Oh, God. Oh, there was one was one thanks Adam H. Oh, yeah, cuz that's not how the queue works Yeah, so we always have to run it through here. I Don't know. I'm sorry Carter. I'm just tired. Okay Okay, I'm not apologizing to you I'm apologizingizing to Conrad. Yeah, nobody's sorry to you.

This is all your fault. It's the compressors, isn't it? All right, good night, y'all. Bye.