The WAN Show - Userbench CPU score DRAMA - WAN Show Aug 9, 2019

Episode Date: August 10, 2019

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Welcome to the WAN Show! We are 21 minutes late and Linus isn't even here. Well Linus, that's why we're late. Yeah. I was here on time, James was here many hours before on time. Trying to figure out whether or not we should start it without him. I think he's gonna relieve me soon. Yeah, they're filming a video like right there, so us talking is probably gonna be super annoying for them, but they told us to do it, right?

You said do it. Not our fault. Welcome to the WAN Show. We got great topics, user benchmark controversy, they changed the weights of how things are scored and it moves some processes around in the ranking system in some funky ways and some people, especially the AMD crowd, are very upset about it. And CloudFare stops servicing 8chan. But free speech! Oh my god! They're a private company.

Anyways, AMD EPYC 7002 series Rome processor. I'm not even going to say any more. All that and more. On the WAN show. Roll the intro! Be-ba-dee-ba-be-ba-dee-bee. Be-ba-be-bee-boo. Whatever they call it.

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Did you know that in America, the Kia Sportage is pronounced the Kia Sportage? Really? Yes. Like in ads and stuff? Yeah. That's what I heard. Whoa. Sportage.

Interesting. Speaking of Sportage, Cloudflare terminates. They did this, right? They terminated the... Okay. So Cloudflare terminates 8chan. That's, I believe... I mean, Cloudflare isn't, like, a server host.

So they probably terminated, like, DNS setup and all this other kind of stuff so you wouldn't be able to get there. But they didn't, like, delete the, you know, they don't have that type of relationship. But for all intents and purposes, the website's down until they find a new replacement. From what I've heard, they did, and then that's gone now, too? Right. So what happened was they got another...

Hot potato. They went to a competitor whose name is on here, but I'm not on the right part of the doc. Sure. Epic? Epic? Yes. And then it was... Epic with a K.

That's the most epic type of epic. Absolutely. Epic, in turn, though, was relying on the services of Voxility who pulled the plug on Epic after it learned that 8chan had moved to Epic because they had the same philosophy as Cloudflare. So as far as I know,

you still can't get onto 8chan. Okay. I think. I'm not going to try right now, but... I tried earlier and all I got was like literally if you just type in 8chan, all you get is articles about how it's down about like I can't even get used to be fun when this kind of stuff would happen and you would get like the FBI website seized have you seen those it should just be like a gif of an FBI guy we're taking your website what What are you doing here?

Uh, let's see. Like a guy, like a detective guy. Yeah, these. These were epic. Yeah, those are cool. Show them. Yeah. What do you alphys see? Seizure of mega upload. Dun dun dun!

It's like so aggressively official looking. Seized in the background, repeated over and over and over again, and then it's like so aggressively Official looking Seized in the background, repeated over and over and over again And it's like, government stamps It's like strobing, government seizure, government seizure It's like The purest form of justice porn I think We did it guys, let's put our stamps and stuff all over it

It's us, we took it So yeah, okay So what happened, This is related to... It's a recent tragedy, particularly the shooting in El Paso. So I'll just read it here. The suspected gunman in the recent El Paso shooting appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan, which is, of course, related to 4chan, but even less moderated.

Even less? Yeah, some people call it infinichen, infinitichen. It's basically described as like a blank piece of paper. You can just write whatever you want there. Okay. Anyone can start their own little microblog there. All right. It's unmoderated for the most part.

It appears that this gunman posted a 2,300-word manifesto to the site just 25 minutes before beginning his attack. That guy is online 25 minutes before beginning his attack. That guy is online. 25 minutes before. Well, we'll see. The plot stickens. Okay.

Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. Oh. Yes. So I think there's at least three big tragedies linked to 8chan at this point. That's pretty intense. Yeah. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussion on A-chan,

which glorified the previous massacre. That's a dark stage of humanity. If you have unmoderated conversation, it just turns into that. I think that there's a few different things going on. I think when populations get significantly large or sufficiently large, there's just a minimum percentage of crazy people.

And when there's billions and billions of us, and we can all connect with each other, as long as you speak, you both speak English, or you both speak the same language, you can find each other. And everything's so broadcasted, and people won't shut up about their names, and they get glorified to a certain degree. Yeah, they can find each other.

Yeah. And when there's just so many people on Earth and they can find each other like that, there's bound to be a handful of them that congregate in the same space. And on top of that, I think that there's... Like, people get radicalized. Like, you see this other content,

and it pushes you into places you haven't been before, and you actually get worse. And so there's a feedback loop there. It's like riot mentality, but website-based. Yeah. I find, and this has been talked about a million times by people way wiser and more intelligent than me, but it's really, really frustrating when something like this happens,

and they broadcast pictures and their writing and their name and everything because it makes them famous within various circles well on the bright side is i was researching this story today and i still don't know the dude's name perfect okay so that's cool good um so what happens was cloud fair uh steps up and they made a big blog post statement saying why they pulled services from this particular website, which is, they stress, not something they want to do. We have some quotes here saying, we reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible. We try to host a lot of companies that we think are bad people in the name of free speech and giving platform to as many different voices as possible.

But there's a line, quoting again, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design a chan has crossed that line while removing a chan from our network takes the heat off of us it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online because that's a big thing a lot of people are saying, well, like, this isn't gonna do anything. A site's just gonna go back up online tomorrow, and if it doesn't, another site like it will. Websites are really hard to squash. There's a lot of places you can go to stick around, and yeah, I mean, the people that were on here are still gonna be on the internet, so.

Yeah. Although I think, I don't know, sometimes when you remove a forum like that, you just have to find somewhere else to hang out, and you do radicalize a little bit maybe but it's the internet I find it interesting that They're not onion because like that's not even hard anymore I pause for a second before I said that cuz I was like, maybe I should give them the idea But then it's pretty freaking obvious. They're internet people. Yeah, they can probably figure it out a prime is here He must hate something about the show

Thought he's an Enderman for a second. What's an Enderman? He just what is like those minecraft games where if you if you yeah, if you look at them It's like a problem, but he just and he just like stands there and takes things every once in a while You're like holding something. I feel like the fact that I've never really played Minecraft is like a kid never having played Lego Yeah, I feel like it's a bucket. What a shame you never played Minecraft. And what a tone pivot we just did. Yeah, absolutely. Back to the dark stuff. Okay, so Instagram made a response because... What happened was after the Cloudflare thing, the CEO of 8chan made a video and it's pretty

interesting. It's really free speechy. It's really, like, there's a superimposed Benjamin Franklin, like, picture in the background, like a wolf t-shirt almost. Okay. And he basically says, like, look, we abide by the law. We're always forthright. We work with the police, like, within minutes of these attacks. Like, we're not evil people.

I'm not an extremist. And this is a blank piece of paper that people can use for whatever purposes they do. minutes of these attacks like we're not evil people I'm not an extremist and this is a blank piece of paper that people can use for whatever purposes they do and sometimes evil people like this use it in evil ways okay because that's not free speech doesn't mean as far as I know literally everything in America because I'm talking about the American one this is not my own country's laws so I'm not 100% on top of it but as far as I know you can't do like calls for violence and stuff.

So it's not purely a blank piece of paper, as far as I know. Because that's not allowed. Yeah, there's definitely limits. You're not allowed to say certain things. Free speech, to a certain degree. Yeah, I don't know.

But then there were certain things that he called out as facts like he said that the shooter posted not on the manifesto not on 8chan first but indeed on Instagram first and

he then also says that the manifesto was not uploaded by that same user the shooter did not upload it he may have written it, but a different user uploaded it. Obviously, if that's true, then it would have been someone working with him. And he also says that Cloudflare has an impending

initial public offering, and they just want good PR in the lead-up to that. Okay, so something to talk about in Cloudflare. I say this every time something like this happens on Wensha, which is fairly often, is Cloudflare is completely within their right to do this. Of course, not the American government.

They're a private company. They can do whatever the hell they want. We work with Cloudflare. They could take full plane and line of sec tips for them off their service if they wanted because that's completely within their rights. So sometimes the free speech argument when you're talking about a company doesn't make a ton of sense to me. You can go after their policies in regards to how they deal with that.

Because an example that I like to bring up is that the forum does not have anything like that at all. There's no free posting rules on the forum It's a tech forum. We have an off topic section where you can talk about some stuff But we usually try to stay away from political things we just stay away from whatever the reason for that is there's no paid moderators on the forum and those kind of topics create a lot of work and They're all volunteers. That is actually the reason.

It's because we have a bunch of volunteer moderators and when you do that, they can't moderate the rest of the forum, which is actually the important parts in my opinion. Just go somewhere else. Because it's a tech forum. There's a big old internet out there. Exactly.

So I like to defend the company's ability to kind of do whatever in that regard because we have a similar problem on the forum this is obviously a redonkulously different scale but like yeah I think I think it is definitely up to the companies to do whatever now cloudflare has positioned themselves for a long time as a defender of these types of things so that's where it starts to get a little bit interesting yes cloudflare's refused to take down a lot of different websites.

Well, in their own words, they're struggling to create a policy that can be broad and consistent and applied again and again. Like, how do you word that perfectly so that it aligns perfectly with your values? Across all these myriad situations that are just getting crazier and crazier every day, it seems. Like, how do you make a blanket rule? Yeah. that are just getting crazier and crazier every day, it seems. How do you make a blanket rule? Yeah.

So I can sort of understand the response to a certain degree because they've positioned themselves as that entity that will defend kind of whatever. But then I just want everyone to keep in mind that it is a private company. It's not the U.S. government. That law doesn't really apply. Well, their mission statement is something like to create a better internet.

And the definition of better, though, it really depends. Does that mean freer? It's really vague. Or does it mean safer? Yeah. Who knows? So after the CEO of HM made that statement, actually Instagram or Facebook responded saying, Instagram said that the Shooter's Manifesto wasn't, was not first uploaded to

Instagram indeed. They did find an Instagram account that was tied to the gunman and they disabled it, but it had been inactive for over a year. So, who knows? What does this 8chan CEO know? What is this

Facebook PR person telling us? Who knows? It's kind of interesting how it's turning into like a, no, the crazy guy posted something on your site first kind of battle. That's a little funky. I don't know. None of this is

good. But when the Christchurch shooter did this thing, he streamed it. Was that not on Instagram that he streamed it or was it Twitch? Facebook, I think. I don't think it was Twitch.'m not sure oh right yeah good call um i'm actually not sure but i think it was a facebook owned entity i thought it was facebook itself okay facebook.com i don't know but i'm not i'm really not sure but that that one had weird ties to like he called out subscribe to pewdiepie and he did all this which was like really stupid and didn't make any sense at all. And there was a bunch of other stuff that...

It's really interesting how it's kind of the reverse of the NASCAR idea. Where like when one of these crazy things happen, everyone tries to figure out anything that they had any interest in, and then applies evil to that. You know what I mean? Speaking of evil... That was awesome timing. So out of focus. And that's the end of that topic anyway. Yeah, perfect.

Because I didn't really want to talk about it anymore. What up, what up, ladies and gentlemen? Oh, this is not my laptop. What topic is no fun and no good? 8chan taking down... Or Cloudflare taking down 8chan. Oh, lordy. Yeah, we thought we'd get rid of that before you showed up.

Yeah, that's a complicated topic. I actually had wanted to talk about that. Okay, throw your input. Because I feel like a broken record on these types of topics. Oh. Oh, yeah, I love BIOS updates that are completely, like, okay, I can postpone it. Wow, there's a countdown.

Sure. Nothing should ever automatically buy us update. Can we just agree on that? Yes, we can. We can. You know what? No, I'm going to play devil's advocate. How?

Because in the event. I just watched a video from Paul. And he said one of the highest shame things to do is have your computer brick because power goes out while it's buy us update. He said one of the highest shame things to do is have your computer okay because you Power goes out well. It's well. It's files updated in the event remember This is a device in this case which has a built-in UPS effectively okay, so So there's that you have that does help. They do have one safeguard in place. This is really not Like unrecognizable error.

Okay. Okay, okay, okay. Oh, my God. You did it, and it did it again. Okay, now, it's hard for me to do this, but I'm defending this behavior right now. Okay. I'm playing devil's advocate here. What's that box?

I don't know. Just hold on for a second here. Okay. There's some kind of horrendous CPU security exploit. Okay the only mitigation is like a microcode update okay your computer's bios it should it should update it should like make you i don't think it should automatically happen on a timer no i don't really disagree with you okay i think it should tell you and be like yo you should like really do this But yeah, okay, so I was what if your batteries low Well, you think it would check like the BIOS can read the battery percentage. Are you sure that did? Maybe

Look too sophisticated. Okay, so hold on a second Let's talk about let's talk about the the whole 8chan thing that went down so my main take on this So there's a couple of things I am pro free speech, but Here's the thing that a lot of the people upset about Cloudflare blocking 8chan Seem to have overlooked Free speech. I mean, okay. There's a number of ways that free speech gets misunderstood

by the average person. Way number one, free speech is protection from government persecution, not the right to just say anything you want to anyone you want with no ill effects. That is not what free speech means. So the other thing too is the general concept of your rights ending where someone else's begins. Cloudflare is a private enterprise exercising their, very similar to free speech, like there's a lot of things that are not technically speech that get protected by free speech, but they are effectively exercising their free speech rights to not deal with

or have any association with 8chan. Okay, point number three that seems to get misunderstood by a lot of people. The United States of America is not actually the world. I didn't bring up that one. You didn't? I did bring up the previous point. That's usually one of your favorites. Yeah, I know it is.

Yeah, yeah. No, I brought up the, like, it's a private entity thing, but I didn't bring up the America isn't actually the entire world argument. Oh, okay. I don't know. That one just, I just, I get such a kick out of that one because I always get these messages whenever I'm in another time zone. Why are you uploading at 3 in the morning? Because East Coast USA is just one of, believe it or not, more than 24 time zones. There are a lot of time zones out there. It's amazing.

You'd be floored. You'd be floored by how many time zones there are. All right. So we can go ahead. We can move on to the next topic. Yes. Why is this not... why is this doing this? How many times do I have to load my browser to the perpetual WAN Show document? Okay, what have you guys talked about so far? Just the 8chan thing.

That's it? I think we should do the user benchmarking because it's in the title. Okay, let's do that. So. I got you. The user bench controversy. So we were actually supposed to talk about this when we did WANo live at ltx

oh we yeah we we said it was one of our highlighted topics we were like going to talk about it and then people got mad at me because they were like you guys are covering up for intel again and i'm like whoa whoa whoa chill chill for a second we got all wrapped up like giving away cool stuff to the audience like we were just like having a good time and actually we didn't cover a ton of topics for some reference no not at all for some reference of how much i've completely forgot this i'm the one that decided it was our headliner topic and i got him to pose for it and everything and i had i don't think i'd ever seen this before so the only reason i brought this up was because i saw a couple of comments that people were like hey you guys said you were gonna talk about this i was like was like, yeah, we did, actually.

Okay, we should do that. I hope you called it out as your call-out topic because I don't remember this literally at all. So user benchmark or user bench or whatever it's called. Yeah, user benchmark, which I have actually never heard of. Should I have heard of user benchmark? Let me go make... Okay, I have. Maybe I've heard of it at some point. Let me go make... Okay.

I have... Maybe I've heard of it at some point. I need to see the websites. But user benchmark has never actually been part of our benchmarking suite. You're sharing screen sharing, by the way, right now. Oh. It's never been part of our benchmarking suite here at Linus Media Group. Yeah, I know.

I have never run it out of idle curiosity. So I thought it was something else no i've never seen this either okay cool so anyway apparently they get millions of website traffic every month so that's cool apparently they recently adjusted their score weighting mechanism so previously they weighed single core performance as 40 of the score quad core as... Or quad threaded... Jump back real quick?

Jump back to your screen? Yeah, for sure. Quad threaded performance as 50% of your score. And multi core performance as 10% of your score. I have fixed it now. So you can see on their scoring things, they have percentage values, user rating percentage values, single core, multi core.

I don't actually see the quad core thing, which is the highest weighted one, so not sure, but don't worry about it. But they have everything set on the top here. Okay, so they came out and they were like, however, due to unrealistic scores of many core CPUs like Ryzen 3000 series, UserBench changed their weighting system as follows. Userbench changed their weighting system as follows. 40% single core, 58% quad core, and only 2% multi-core.

Previously, it was 40% single core, 50% quad core, and 10% multi-core. So they dropped the multi-core by a lot. All right. So this riled up AMD fans who want to see their team's processor at the top of the chart. And you guys shouldn't be fans of microprocessor manufacturers because I'm going to let you in on a little secret, okay? They don't care about you. What? I know.

They care about their shareholders. I'm sorry, Luke. This hurts my feelings. I appreciate it. There, there. I'm sorry Luke. This hurts my feelings. I appreciate it. There, there. I'm damaged now. Anyway, so this riled up the people who are fans of AMD. And to be clear, I'm not down on being excited about competition in the marketplace.

I'm excited about that. But I'm not a fan of AMD. I'm not a fan of Intel. Because at the end of the day, is business and that's all it is Okay, so this riled up AMD fans who are fans for whatever reason Because the one hundred and twenty dollar quad core core i3 8100 now beats Oh wait, no, sorry. This is a point of clarification. So here's the thing though AMD processors We're not the only ones

negatively affected in terms of their perceived value by these changes so the $120 quad core core i3 8100 now actually beats Intel's $2,000 18 core core i9 9980 XE in the rankings because of its higher boost frequency oops So user benchmark has hundreds of thousands of benchmark submissions in its database that influence the purchasing decisions of nearly 10 million visitors each month. Wow, this sounds like an ad for user benchmark.

Which I've never heard of. No. Following the July 2019 cohort, we noticed that CPU gaming and desktop indices were overestimating all CPUs with core counts beyond eight, so we updated that index. So this is basically them sort of clarifying why this was done.

You know what? I understand why AMD fans are mad because, you know, their Threadripper CPUs now don't look as good. But the thing that people have to understand is that while I don't necessarily agree on 2% as the right number for workloads that will take advantage of a Threadripper for the average user, it's definitely less than 10%. Yeah. So. Ripper for the average user yeah um it's definitely less than 10% yeah so and like from the wording that I've seen it literally says it's geared towards gamers they say that in the text on their website so I think user I think what they could do is a couple of things they could improve this system by either updating it frequently because if the idea is that they want to wait um they want

to wait the workloads that are likely in the present day more heavily that's that makes total sense that absolutely makes sense um or what they could do is they could allow you to run it a couple different ways. So you could run it in, like, today mode, or you could run it in forward-looking mode. As software gets more multi-threaded, I'm going to care more about that. I want to buy a future-proof processor. But a more future future proof processor yeah I know I like one of the things that I like about that concept is just you could even Chick pick the future one knowing that you have some use cases now that could use multi core more And just be like I am a future man

Future man, but like it's I like the idea of being out to mess with it So you could go like okay multi core is this percentage important to me. Quadcore is this percentage important to me. Singlecore is this percentage. Some of the problems there is some people aren't going to recognize how important singlecore is due to a whole bunch of reasons and other various things. But, yeah. It's interesting. I do agree with multicore being down. Again, but I don't know about the 2%.

I don't know about 2%. That seems pretty low. On the other hand, and like, if they're looking at it going, yeah, you know, an upcoming 32 core Threadripper or wait, there's a 32 core now, isn't there? Yeah. So an upcoming like 64 core Threadripper or something like that for the average user's workload, no, is not going to perform, you know, 80% better, you know, in, I don't know, Far Cry 5, whatever, Battlefield 5.

It's not actually materially faster in workloads that most average users are going to be running. No, I will restart later, computer. Wow, it's really annoying. You know what could be kind of fun? Yeah. Benchmarking, not that this news matters enough to necessarily do this,

but having a video where you benchmark the i9-9980XE versus the i3-8100. Just go like, how does... Wait, we've done that video. That exact video? Not quite, but I think we did $100 CPU versus $1,000 CPU. Okay, so close, but we're talking $120 versus $2,000. But similar.

Very similar. Let me see if... I don't remember exactly what we... Oh, no, we did a $600 CPU, 10 times more powerful than a $60 one. That's pretty close. People hated that video. Why?

They were just mad. I don't know why they were mad. That's a lot of dislike. Yeah, it has like a 10% dislike ratio mad i don't know why they were mad yeah that's a lot of dislike it has like a 10% dislike ratio i don't i don't get it uh what were people mad about mad about um oh some people were mad because i kept calling it a core i7 because this was back when core i9s were new and i was like that was a hard vocal shift i I don't blame you too much. Is a $600 Linus more powerful than a $60 lute? What even are these comments?

Title is clickbait. $64 instead of $60 reported. Oh, get over it. Okay, you know what, Piano Banana? Let's answer your question. I'm watching every video from you for years and have an important question you never answered. What should I do when I want to share my mouse and keyboard between multiple computers at once?

Wait, are they just joking about, they must have had like a synergy spot. It's gotta be an ad spot. It has to be an ad spot. I'm sure you mean sponsor spot. Oh, sorry. But yes. Spawn.

There was a sponsor spot for synergy. Oh, very, very funny. There was a lot of synergy ad spots. Sponsor spots. We don't do ads online as tech tips because ads might compete with Google's ad formats. Right. That's why we only do sponsor spots. I am so sorry, Google.

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I've just been clicking a Linus Tech Tips video. And I'm like, I didn't click WAN Show. Because it's just a bunch of WAN Show spots. Or I'll get a TechLinked spot. And I'm like, what are you even looking at? I think that's one of the nights that I just literally didn't sleep the night before. Because something crazy was happening at Flowplane. I looked so haggard in that video.

Oh my goodness. I watched it and I was just like, oh no. Oh no. I'm happy they're focusing on Linus and they cut to me. I'm like, no! Stop! Please. That should be fixed by Monday. Okay, yeah.

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the main topic of today's WAN show. Okay. So there have been some epic battles. You've been so excited about this. On YouTube over the years. Some epic battles. Oh. One epic battle.

Oh, no, we're going that direction. One epic battle was between the epic rap battles characters Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. That truly was a spectacular episode of epic rap battles characters, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. That truly was a spectacular episode of epic rap battles. More importantly, there was the epic battle between T-Series and the one and only Felix Kjellberg. Is that how you pronounce it? Whatever, it doesn't matter. PewDiePie, okay?

PewDiePie. You know, for top subscribed channel. Kjellberg, I like it. We're not in a position to battle over the top most subscribed did YouTube channel of all time but there is a rivalry that has actually been heating up over the last little while and so I Just want to take this opportunity to say it Marques MKBHD I choose you

consider yourself called out because now people who creep YouTube stats might know this already but most of you probably don't Marques actually what four years ago? Five years ago, I think, skyrocketed past Linus Tech Tips

for most subscribed tech channel. Then Lou actually blew past both of us, but we're not talking about that. This is a race for the silver medal. Second English speaking, okay, technical guruji, technically over 10 million subscribers. Second English speaking tech YouTube channel across the 10 million subscriber mark. Marques, consider yourself called out because, and I'm sure you noticed this, man,

we actually passed you for subscribers about, what was it, about six months ago, Brandon? Does that sound about right? Yeah. Okay, now, with that said, the race is going to be super interesting because Marquez actually passed us again about two or three weeks ago. But then, check this out.

So he's gaining an average of around 4,800 subscribers a day. Yeah, yeah, that was a Note 10 launch. Okay, okay. So he can be very spiky. But he's gained an average of about 4,800 subscribers a month, and he's sitting at 9.054 million. Now, by comparison, the Linus Tech Tips channel... 4,800 subscribers a day.

A day, sorry, a day, a day. Like 140 a month. By comparison, the Linus Tech Tips channel is a little behind. We're actually about 80,000 subscribers behind, but that is not an insurmountable difference when you look at our daily average, which is about 5,500. So. We could win this fight.

Also, one thing, a little bit of hot fire. He's a B plus rated, you're A minus, so. Yeah, so Social Blade. Social Blade knows what's up. Right there, A minus. You like that? You like that a minus right there. Yeah, it's green his is yellow. Just saying yeah, so Marques It's on sup, bro It's on so I'm challenging Marques to be the next one the next tech channel to 10 million before us And I'm challenging you, our community,

to help me out here, please. Because we've been watching it internally. Like, it's something that I don't think I've met a YouTuber. They might deny it in public, but I don't think I've met a YouTuber who doesn't creep other YouTubers on Social Blade. We all use Social Blade. Yeah. We all use Social Blade to like, hey, how are other people in this space doing?

Yeah. It makes sense. So we talk about it internally. But now it's public. So I really need you guys to help me out because I am now officially out of the closet when it comes to my youtube stat watching habit and i would like very much to not be embarrassed so guys share linus tech tips with your friends and family uh preferably the ones that will actually watch because it can actually affect us negatively if people subscribe and then don't watch it makes

youtube think that like uh people subscribe and don't like the channel because the content sucks. So find someone who's actually techie and make sure they subscribe. If all 7,000 of you do that today, then we can at least keep pace with him over the last couple of days because he's had a nice little bump from the Note 10 that I had not anticipated necessarily

before conceiving of the idea of challenging him on the land show today you should pull a mr beast and buy out all the billboards in an area but just to troll really hard buy them all out in his area okay he like so hold on a second stuff so don't don't say anything because we have some plans and i don't want you to accidentally say anything that we actually have planned. Okay. And ruin it. Okay.

Okay. All right. So we'll talk offline. Sounds good. But yeah, we're, we're, okay. Tell you what, tell you what. I can't tell you guys this, unfortunately, because it would really, it would really ruin a thing.

But, um, I'm going to tell Luke and you get to judge by his reaction. Okay. How funny this is. That picks up really... Okay, I'll be very quiet. Okay. I'll be very quiet. Okay, I haven't even told you the funny part yet.

You should, okay. Okay. I'm gonna put a button on the top. I'm gonna put a button on the top. I love Tesla. I'm gonna put a button on the top. And we're not gonna show the bathroom. I don't even know what I'm supposed to do. I'm gonna put a button on the top. It's good. You should.

So that's how good it's gonna be. OK, OK, OK. Hold on, hold on. I'm gonna put a button on the top. Mark, you have to stop. Hold on, hold on. Okay, okay, okay. I can't say it anymore. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. This is going to be amazing.

Okay, okay, sorry. So anyway, Marques, I choose you. Bring it on. That's all I have to say about that. Oh, God. If he responds with anything anywhere near that amazing, this is going to be absolutely fantastic. Officially best tech feud of all time.

Wow. Because the tech feud between AMDd and intel is officially over um intel is just not really participating in the feud anymore it seems uh oh wait i didn't mean to actually share my screen there that doesn't matter uh the original article here is from our bud patrick kennedy over at serve the home.com and his headline pretty much says it all amd epic 7002 series rome delivers a knockout so if in the consumer space whoops so if in the consumer space amd got competitive with intel and managed to pull out ahead in given workloads, particularly multi-threaded workloads. Because when we talk about AMD being great for gaming with Ryzen 3rd Gen,

we're talking AMD caught up to Intel. And they now beat them a couple times, but Intel, still at the top end of their stack, is the best performing CPU strictly for gaming. When we talk about the server land, world place thing in the clouds, those are workloads that are inherently heavily multi-threaded,

an area that AMD has cemented a firm grasp on when it comes to performance leadership. And this is bad. So remember that video I made a little while back where I talked about how I can't hold tech stock because it would be a significant conflict of interest. If I didn't feel that that was too much of a conflict of interest.

Here's the thing. I make my money through ads and sponsorships and merch sales and all kinds of different ways. So the way that I look at it is like, look, I can't have my hand in every honey jar, okay? So playing tech stocks is going to be a honey jar that I just cannot ethically participate in and you know what I need to be comfortable with that because I have all these other ways that I make a very good living I'm not

complaining at all so I'm just me like you know what I'm not gonna do that but if I had had the opportunity I legitimately even though I don't actually participate in stock trading I would have bought so much AMD that day and honestly, it was not because desktop Ryzen was like Gonna be competitive or whatever that was what the word on the street was that was what AMD was Broadcasting shouting from every rooftop that they could The thing that I was actually excited about Was this that they could. The thing that I was actually excited about was this. That is the epic announcement. Wow. Okay so when we go back to when was Computex? Like

sometime in June? Okay so Computex is like what mid-June? Oh yeah no this is the spike right? Yeah early June. Here we go so it's actually pretty soon this kind of like Downward trend and stuff like this stuff can be all over the place But you got to remember when you're when you're buying a stock based on the the quality of the product portfolio Right and the competitive position of the other players in the same market, we're not talking about holding something for like a month or two

and going okay, that was my gains, I cash out, and like you flip it and buy something else. Because the thing is, for an actual competitive advantage, not just like, oh, there's a rumor of a buyout or a merger, blah, blah, blah, like that there's a rumor of a buyout or a merger, blah, blah, blah, like that kind of stuff that really causes stocks to spike and decline, or like large shareholders dumping to artificially deflated and then buying in low or whatever. Like there's all kinds of things that can affect a stock. If you want to capitalize on something

real, like the actual position in the market of the company, you need to take a longer position. And what I had an inkling of at that time was that over the next couple of years, AMD was going to win back significant market share in a space, not gamers. Guys, there's no margin in gaming chips. Like, there's a little bit, but come on. Not gaming chips. I'm talking the big stuff. I'm talking $7,000 CPUs,

of which two go in one Blade server, of which there are four per freaking, like, server, of which there are, like, you know, 16 or 18 per freaking cabinet of which there are 100 in a data center. That's the big business. That's the big money. That's where AMD is going to be coming back in their next quarterly earnings report, maybe not even the next one, because after you launch a product like this it takes a while for those big uh requests for quotes to come in or i think it's actually short for requests for quantity i think it can go either way whatever that's where those rfqs come in

and you know you look at it you you uh you put together a quotation the buyers take it they talk to their upper management blah blah blah there's a whole process validation but it's gonna yeah it's gonna take a quarter or two maybe even three but that's where amd's quarterly earnings at some point in the next year are gonna look like this that's where it's gonna spike hardcore and that's where i was looking at it going that's why I would want to take a position now heed my warning since I said that since I made that video AMD has already spiked significantly and I am NOT in a position where I am advising anyone to buy or sell stocks that is not my job I am NOT an analyst remember no matter how good things look stuff could go wrong dr sue

could die of how excited she is about how amazing her company is performing right now or a fab could have a problem yeah tsmc could explode okay that could actually happen china could get really upset yeah remember remember when uh what was it floods in that like, well, with that said WD and Seagate stock actually spiked because of that. Cause they just sold hard drives for more margin. But anyway, that's a whole other thing. Um, but something I've been, yeah, the point is stuff can go wrong. I'm guaranteeing nothing, but, uh, this was what I was actually amped about, but couldn't really talk about because I had nothing concrete to go on at that time. Zen 2 is a freaking beast. I wish I had my swear button so I could bleep myself

because I wanted to use a different word. Okay, so Epic 7200. Okay, one quick thing. Can you show your doc for a sec? I can. Who wrote this? James. Why?

We need to do like a word count thing for how many times AMD and Epic were typed in this. Well, AMD is having a pretty Epic run here. It's just, it's every single line. AMD Epic, the AMD Epic, the AMD Epic, AMD. Pretty much, you should read through Patrick's article because it's great. But pretty much almost across the board,

except at the very low end, Epic is just, I mean, it's just crushing it. I mean, for a single socket, we're talking 128 PCI Express lanes versus, what is it? It's either 46 or 56. Something stupid like that, like over double the PCI Express lane count. When we're talking big data and machine learning and stuff like that, a lot of the processing isn't done on the CPU anymore. It's done on GPUs.

So this, these, or not even GPUs. I mean, there's other specialized processors. Intel just released their FPGA thing. Yeah, Intel themselves seems to know this, okay? And then aside from that, you need massive storage. You need PCI Express for that. Everything is PCI Express now. They've got way more memory bandwidth.

They actually run at faster memory speeds. DDR4-3200 versus 2933. And they've got two more channels per chip. They completely re-architected the way that the memory actually connects to the CPU. And this is really cool because I was actually doing a video on Intel Skull Trail the other week. Remember Skull Trail? That was Intel's dual socket gaming enthusiast platform. It was 8 cores at a time when nothing had 8 cores in the consumer space anyway. And I was

blown away because I pulled up Task Manager and I noticed that it only had one NUMA domain. And I was like, oh my god, it had a Northbridge. So the CPUs, the CPU bones connected to the Northbridge bone over the front side bus, and the Northbridge bone connected to the FBDIMM memory bone, so there's no latency penalty for this CPU to grab data from RAM that's connected to this CPU's integrated memory controller, because there is no integrated memory controller.

connected to this CPU's integrated memory controller, because there is no integrated memory controller. Okay. But integrated memory controller still has a benefit over that archaic architecture, because basically having a Northbridge means everybody gets a latency hit instead of only when you have to cross into another domain. Now, with Epic second gen,

AMD actually architected effectively a more Northbridge-like system with fewer NUMA domains, except it's all on chip. So their, I forget what they call it, what's their IO hub thing that they're building into the thing? They made the IO die the center of the server, blah blah blah, I forget what they actually call the damn thing though. Sorry, you'll have to forgive me. I don't remember what their term is for it. But what this means is that the best case scenario, so just like with the Northbridge, the best case scenario for memory access actually gets a little bit worse, but the worst

case scenario gets way better, especially in dual socket configurations. What's that? I think it's still called NUMA nodes. No, no, no. The IO hub. The IO hub has a name. Yeah. Yeah. I forget. I forget what it's called. Um, you know what? We can probably, you know what? Let's give, let's give Patrick's articles some shout outs here. It's pretty awesome. Let's just find it. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let's just find it. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, Patrick, you don't label your pages. Dude.

Was to move the traditional Northbridge functions, blah, blah, blah, et cetera, et cetera. Come on, you're killing me here, dude. Okay, something, something, something, something. I'm dying. AMD's approach is different. Integrated server controller hub, the SCH. I think that's it.

No, that's not it. Is that it? Maybe that's it. You know what? It doesn't matter. I don't care what they call it. The point is, the point is, they have smoothed out the latency for memory accesses, they have sped up the memory, they have more channels, they have a 15% IPC uplift over first gen EPYC, which is freaking phenomenal. They have a 15% IPC uplift over first-gen epic, which is freaking phenomenal They have up to a 64 core product I mean we are talking Intel's dual socket servers having a difficult time competing with AMD's single single socket chip and Ignoring price

And we're ignoring price. Ah! AMD's 64-core chip, the top-spec one, is like $7,700. A single Intel 28-core, okay? Single one is $10,000 for their top-spec chip. Now, you're going to get those at lower prices if you're buying in volume or blah, blah, blah, whatever. But you have to assume that AMD's got discounts on offer too, depending on how much you're buying. The point of the matter is just that Intel is not competitive,

and then their pricing is out of whack. There is basically, now, I want to get Epic in-house here. I want to play with it. I want you guys to play with it for like a video transcode server. I'm working on it, by the way. Okay. So I want to get Epic in-house. server um i'm working on it by the way okay um so i want to get epic in house but as far as i can tell outside of some very specific use cases like if you must have avx 512 which is an instruction

that amd has not implemented yet if you must have it um andy don't got your back but that's about it i was gonna say for a vast majority of other stuff, AMD list prices on competitive parts are 25% to 35% of what the compute performance would cost to get from Intel Xeon comparables. That's compute performance cost, not chip per chip. Yeah. So that's actually more important, in my opinion.

It's savage. It's savage. We're bringing that back? It's savage. We're going to 2018? Triple. Yeah's savage. It's savage. We're bringing that back. It's savage. We're going to like 2018 Yeah, exactly. Yeah savage beating. It's like it's hard to watch, you know, yeah, it's hard to watch like Jake Paul Yeah, Oh equally hard to watch nice. I don't know. I've never watched a Jake Paul video. It might be great. I wouldn't know Speaking of things I wouldn't know I wouldn't know how to get rid of Nick other than to tell you guys

About the hoodie. I'm wearing right now. Oh, right really oh Oh, it's not I thought they just took pictures now. Oh, okay. This is not on sale yet. Sorry Nick. What can I do for you? Oh that oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's talk about that What dr. Sue might be going how, like, there's a rumor that Dr. Sue's going to IBM or whatever? What? Dr. Sue might be going to IBM? Well, like... There's a rumor. There's a rumor.

It doesn't seem very substantiated. The thing that makes it more legitimate to me is that she directly responded to it being like, this is not true, which to me makes it more true. She said it's not true. Interesting. Yeah. Denied a rumor she wants to be IBM's next chief exec.

That would be lame. That would just be a lame move in my opinion. I was talking to Anthony. We're like, maybe IBM just buys AMD. I don't know if IBM could buy AMD and retain the x86 license, though. I think that would be the issue. Yeah, there'd be no value to it. The licensing around that kind of stuff is crazy. Yeah, I think that would be the issue yeah there'd be like no value the licensing around that kind of stuff is cool yeah

and also there would that would be a significant market consolidation because IBM and AMD actually AMD is poised that's a really interesting thing too they're also poised with these massive many core CPUs PCI Express Gen 4 they're poised to take on IBM potentially in applications where firms wouldn't have to completely re-architect because that's one of the things that IBM does so well is they focus on the interconnect rather than focusing on just the the performance of their power cores so so they're they're like Z series in particular is really designed

for like many many transactions and connect all the friggin things to it and AMD is really taking a very similar approach with x86 that Intel has largely ignored over the last four years. So if I was Dr. Su, I mean, I don't know what her executive bonus package looks like or what IBM could offer her or whatever the case may be. But if I were Dr. Su and I were looking to leave a legacy behind, I would probably try to make it at AMD and just kick IBM's ass instead of joining them.

Just for like a Bill and Ted level overview of this, it's just boring. Stay at AMD. It's more fun. Yeah, it's like- It's interesting. It has made the industry so much more exciting. Exactly. Stay.

Like I was so- It's way more fun. I was so bored of CPUs for a bit there. Yes, everyone was. I was so way more fun. I was so bored of CPUs for a bit. Yes like everyone was Yeah, no apparently that's false Okay, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so apparently that rumor about Dr. Su being somehow related like your niece or something to Jensen's like second cousin. It's or it's no I thought it was outright false Lisa Su related to Jensen Wong.'s like second cousin or something. No, I thought it was outright false. Oh, okay.

Lisa Su related to Jensen Huang. Here we go. That auto-completed for me. Let's see. Technically, her grandfather is Jensen Huang's uncle. They are not exactly niece and uncle, but relatives, is what this says from 2018. I don't know.

I had people calling me out when I was talking about it And they confirm her grandfather being someone's uncle. That's relatively far Yeah Okay, I can't find anyone you go far enough back and I thought one of them denied it Didn't they 14th cousin 32nd time removed Nick and I are related. Yeah, all right, whatever doesn't matter Let's let's move on to something pretty sick Oh, apparently our twitch title is wrong. Dang it. Whatever. Oh, what do you have? Oh, wow Okay, Nick wants Nick really wants me to do a merch update. Okay. I'm not that into the suede hat

Can I show them one of the other ones for context? Someone was wearing one earlier. Who was it? Yeah, okay, so we're working on a new hat for TechLinked. It's gonna have like this little metal thing in the corner, and then it's either gonna be like a plain kind of suede style. What do you think of that material? It feels quality. It does. But I think it's a different kind of personality that wears a suede hat versus the other one. What's up? Like you can see... Oh well yeah that's just like that's a characteristic of suede. Yeah

but that's what I mean that's one of the reasons why I probably wouldn't be super into it though. Yeah. One thing that I have as a completely outside person. Yeah. This is very trendy right now. Yeah. But I like snapbacks. You like snapbacks? I'm that guy. But this is trendier. This is what people want as far as I Yeah. But I like snapbacks. You like snapbacks? I'm that guy. But this is trendier. This is what people want, as far as I know. So I like the heathered one. Oh, this is nice. Yeah, I really like this one and this one, actually.

They look the same, but they're not quite, actually. Oh, wait, are these ones the same? Gold and black. Oh, it's the pin. There is another color of heather that's a little lighter. I think the dark one is the one that I don't normally like gold, but against that, like, the gray heather, I think it looks pretty good. So that's a little lighter. I think the dark one is the one that I did. I don't normally like gold, but against that like the gray Heather, I think it looks pretty good.

So that's pretty cool. That's not actually the one that I am most amped to talk about right now though. So I'm gonna go ahead and pop out this hangouts window because we are finally working on the LTT merch that was like Thanos, inevitable. Yes. How close are we to this?

We're, it'll be a while. It'll be a while, so first. Should be before holidays. First, there's gonna be a mouse pad. So we're actually gonna throw this up. We're gonna poll people on this. Can I, oh yes, I can. To like pick a design?

To tell us what designs they like best. We might do more than one design. You should poll people by doing pre-orders. So we're gonna do, no, that's a disaster. Yeah! No, it's a bad idea um so we're probably going to do a 10 key list and a full size size okay with like a nice reasonable mousing area full size like this kind of four key okay um so we've got kind of your okay so something that

we've done intentionally is left the mousing area uh mostly blank so that's to make sure that we don't have any tracking issues introduced by the graphics now most modern like high-end mice won't Have an issue with that, but we want everyone to be able to use them. Here's a more colorful version It's kind of like winter slash northern lights kind of inspired Here's just like an LTT circle logo inspired one. I think this one's a little busy personally This is my first time actually seeing these by the way guys They look like they do kind of look like dongs. I think we're out the way guys they look like they do kind of look like dongs i think we're out that's the first thing i said yeah we're out on the dong we're out on the black and white dong design and probably

the orange dong design too i yeah we could just do something a little bit more abstract like this this is dead on arrival yeah um here's oh the tech linked one actually looks really good yeah i like that that one's that was sharp actually-linked branding lends itself really well to clean, cool designs. Yeah. And... Yeah! I'm going to throw out all my socks and buy a bunch of these.

It is inevitable. Yep. It was going to happen. Also, I don't know if you guys can see this. Yeah! But yes, confirmed. We are working on a sandal. Okay, can I petition?

I don't know anything about what you guys are doing. It's way more long-term. Yeah, it's going to be a while, guys. Like, you'll be wearing these sandals next summer. Okay? Maybe. Maybe. If it makes it by then, I'm happy.

If everything goes according to plan, you will wear them next summer. You guys now need second-layer bottoms. So, like, not underwear bottoms. Because then if you do that with this, you'll have everything. So, I actually... You don't want... them next summer you guys now need second layer bottoms so like not underwear bottoms because then if you do that with this okay you'll have everything so i actually you don't want i that would be everything i just killed that project but that would be every okay here's the i didn't well yeah it was like you could be a hundred percent okay okay all right all right all right

chill out for a second here chill out for a second here so pants are really tough sizing is really challenging not like jeans you gotta hold on even then you gotta accommodate all the different waist for a second here. So pants are really tough. Sizing is really challenging. Not like jeans. You gotta, hold on, even then, you gotta accommodate all the different waist sizes, all the different leg lengths, and all the combinations thereof, okay? So there's a huge front-loaded investment

to bring in all these different sizes. That assumes that you can even figure out how to make the clothing fit nicely with all these different body shapes and types. Pants are hard. Number two, what kind of pants? Because jeans, basically, you're not going to take on, I don't know what a popular jean brand is. Levi.

Sure. You're not going to take on Levi's. G-Star. Yeah. Jinko, the pitch that I got the pitch that I got was joggers now sinking sweatpants I don't think I they're basically very similar joggers are pretty much trendy sweatpants and the thing is I didn't actually kill the project so much as I put it on indefinite hiatus because

See the thing is okay, so the reason that I put it on indefinite hiatus is that from a From like a being excited about the merch standpoint. I don't wear sweatpants and I don't wear joggers Those are probably closer to joggers than they are to sweatpants. Honestly the dream hack ones. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're very joggery sweatpants and i don't wear joggers those are probably closer to joggers than they are to sweatpants honestly the dreamhack ones oh yeah yeah they're very joggery sweatpants yeah yeah like they're more fitted and stuff they're not just like i'm sick today yeah those are those are those are probably basically i would i would basically yeah i would basically want something that isn't i'm sick today pants but isn't jeans like that's joggers okay i don't know fashion so but yeah something you could wear but we're not trying to compete with jeans so um uh what's her what's her

name again the uh um the mom of all the the famous kardashian people chris jenner so believe it or not it was actually after a presentation from chris jenner of all people where she was talking about how how they decide on which business opportunities to pursue because okay when you're the Kardashian slash Jenner clan you have basically an endless supply of people pitching you on endorsing their product or branding your whatever blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and she went one of the most important things for us was to focus on what we're passionate about because then you will never get bored of it what's up you don't wear hats i actually don't i actually do wear hats very rarely i used to wear a hat every day okay that's fair so i actually like i can understand the hat and when i go out

on the weekend and i'm like out in the sun i will take my hat. Yeah. I do wear my LTT hat. I do remember we used to wear them all the time. So, and besides, the hat project was actually already complete when I attended that workshop. So, anyway. Okay. The reason that I killed the joggers and fast-tracked socks. Oh, no, I'm cool with that. And mouse pad. I just want this to eventually happen.

And more colors of water. It'll eventually happen. Okay. So, what I told Lloyd and Nick. I just want it to eventually happen. More colors of water bottle. It'll eventually happen. Okay. So what I told Lloyd and Nick... Do you want more colors of water bottle? Sorry? Do you want more colors of water bottle to show? No, that's okay.

So what I told Nick and Lloyd was we're going to do it. Okay. But we're going to do it after we've explored the things that I'm, like, really excited about and passionate about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's cool. Like, I am... Well, I don't care if it happens in 2025. I just want to eventually be able to walk out of the door

wearing purely LTT gear. I hate it when the ice breaks free. But the fancy new jacket takes the brunt of the blow and it wicks right off. It does, actually. This is not actually a jacket, though, okay? Can you get the terminology right? I'm sorry.

Okay, this is the swacket. What? Swat jacket? Sweater jacket. Sweater jacket. Okay, okay, okay. So feel the material here. Okay. Okay, so it's kind of like a sweater. Athletic sweater. Okay, feel the material here. Definitely jacket. It's a swacket. Athletic sweater between the... Yeah. So you can still get soaked while only getting a little bit soaked. It's a swacket okay nice and it also has like more more like out at night features like this is reflective which is actually reflective strip on front and back that's cool um and i will also say it hit the

sweater part of the sweater jacket combo it's still wicked off yeah so my joke about getting soaked so so it's it's designed to be a little bit shoutier than Stealth Hoodie. It is a bit more expensive. I think it's going to be about $30 more. It's like particularly not stealthy. But it's YKK zipper. The material quality is really different. Like it's higher.

Not that Stealth is bad, just that this costs more. And it retains one of the key features of stealth, which is, of course, the secure phone pocket. I'm just going to throw in there really quick. The material on the stealth hoodie is actually, like, particularly nice. We've had a complaint that I don't think is going to get solved, but Brett from UFD Tech was like, dude, I'm left-handed. I know.

I watched the video. I don't think there's any solution to that, really. I mean, we could do, like, a one-off for him, but other than that, no, we don't plan to do, like lot of We freak out. He's probably free. Is that possible? Is that doable like they are actually working on an order of stealth right now? Is it possible to what size is UFD? I don't know medium. Is he a medium? I could see if we could get him a lefty one Okay, can you see what you can do? I'll see.

All right. And we're not doing this for anyone. Guys, we're not. We are not doing a left-handed skew. Yeah. Because it's just another. It's a nightmare. It's another inventory item to manage.

We're not going to do it. It sucks, but you can go like this. Yeah. Or you can pass it to your right hand. Yeah, but. It's totally possible. UFD has pimped our merch so hard. Yeah.

That just for him, we will try. I'm not promising anything. So anyway, we've got a bunch of different sandal designs to look at. Some of them are immediately off because anything you can't run in like this, you're done. You're done. It's out. My biggest thing is you have to like it and want to wear it a lot. Well, there are key considerations for me.

Like, I do expect, even though I'm wearing sandals, to be able to run in them. Yeah. And so it has to be a design that straps in securely. For your video where it was, I think it was Terran, where you had, like, a battle with him about the pros and cons of sandals versus shoes. I won that. I know. But this sandal needs to win that. Yes. You know

what I mean? So it has to have everything that is good about a shoe. Some of these designs actually look kind of sharp. I think that's mainly just socks designs. Is it? Well, it's not like the sandal stuff is like by accident and we should absolutely coordinate the sock design with the sandals, which is I think why he provided it this way. But some of this is, some of this is looking pretty, I like this one actually. I think this looks pretty good. So my question about the whole like, Kris Jenner stuff is like,

where does the kimono fall in that? I have no idea. I don't actually pay any attention to their merch crap. Do you know what the kimono is? No. It's Spanx with an extra scooping of cultural appropriation. I don't know what Spanx are.

Do you know what Spanx are? Do you not know what Spanx are? Why would we know this crap? Why do you know this crap? Not leggings, but like under garments to like tuck all the fat bits in. Oh, okay. Maybe I should know that. She called it a

kimono. Because she's Kim. and then everyone got upset. I actually give, beyond the excellent message that was in part of that talk about business, I give so few cares about the actual content and products over there. I've had a minor problem. I might be one of the people that buys a whole bunch of Element shirts to expand their clothing, because I had my dad over last night. Because you had coyote feet.

Yeah, that was epic. I had my dad over last night. Did you have that coyote? Yeah, that was epic. I had my dad over last night to look into a plumbing issue at my house, and we figured out that the hot and cold water is unreliable because when they plumbed the apartment building that I'm in, they run the cold water right next to the hot water, and it heats up the other pipe. So when I've been washing my clothes, they've all been shrinking. So all my shirts are effectively larges now,

and they're supposed to be extra larges. So I've, like, lost weight but look heavier, which is sweet. It's really cool. So one of the other considerations for the sandal, durability. I can smell this. Sandals. I'm sorry. It's okay.

Sandals always fail in the same spots. Okay, that makes sense. Here. Yeah. There's just like a handful. You've got less stuff holding on. Yeah, there's a handful of spots that they fail. You can see this is totally detached here. Yeah. Yeah. So.

I mean, how long have you had that, though? I expect a long lifetime out of my sandals. Yeah, no, because I think this is the, like, second or third pair since I've known you. Uh, no, it's probably like number four. Okay. Yeah. So I do like one every one and a half years or so. That's not bad. It depends on when they fail. No, I think that's

pretty reasonable. So if we can get to that kind of level of quality, and remember, I wear them every day. Like these are my everyday carry. Everyday straps? Weaponized sandals. Which mouse pads do we like? Oh, which mouse pads do do we like I can't figure out how to get back to the mouse pads I can't close this for some reason so I don't know like escape isn't working. I can't oh wait Oh, you guys doing a feedback thing you guys doing a straw poll or some other kind of I think they're different I think we're gonna put it on Twitter. Yeah. No, I know they're different files. I just I can't close this I Don't know. I don't know how to close it. Oh, wait, I know what the problem is.

It's a separate tab. There's, well, there's your problem. All right. So, yeah, I don't want to look at that right now. I want to look at the socks. Okay. Okay, so I like this one. What do you think, Luke?

I like the top left one, yeah. I like a little bit of color in my socks, personally. But what about doing, like, a different color? We don't have to be married to orange. I like orange. I like the... You can also go, like, stealth sock. Are you guys doing one?

We don't know yet. It's going to really depend on minimum order quantities. We found a supplier who seems, like, freaking legit. Like, they make socks for brands that I've heard of, which is cool. And like, not Hanes, like brands that make like high-end hiking socks and stuff that I have heard of. And I was like, okay, cool. So we found like a really good factory, we think. But their minimum order quantities are like 3,500 pairs, stuff like really really high per size or in total like dangerously high

like like per i actually lordy i don't know because i was talking to jono about this before the show and if you guys are vetting as well as you've vetted for everything else that's on the story so far i'm probably just gonna throw all my socks away and get these. And I'm not exaggerating. We're gonna do our best but making a like a sock that would satisfy me, which is what it has to be, is not gonna be easy and might even take longer than the sandal. Yeah. But that's but that is why I'm probably gonna do that. So you know the minimum quantity thing maybe... I'm gonna make you start buying merch at some point. Well, I know.

Okay. I'm going to have to. Because, like, I can't just give you your entire wardrobe for free. No, I know. You actually don't work here anymore. I was fully expecting to buy all of that. I'm being very clear about this. I'm probably going to do an underwear swap at one point in time. I've kind of decided that.

You're not the only one. We have gotten so many orders for specifically like two packs of underwear which is like nobody orders two packs on their first order yeah that's because they already have a pack yeah and like three is laundry once a week with a buffer yeah it's gotten to the point where i get a little bit annoyed when my ltt underwear are not clean because then i'm like now i have to wear some other junk i I'm just like, that sucks. Can't put other junk on your junk. No, exactly.

All right. Do we have any more topics for today? There's some stuff. Oh, yeah. Apple is locking iPhone batteries to the phone. So the original article here is from iFixit. So Apple has announced that only Apple batteries can go in iPhones and furthermore, only Apple may install them. RC Mail posted this on the forum. So if you replace your battery in

the newest iPhones, so the XS, the XS Max, and the XR, a message indicating that you need to service your battery appears in settings, battery, next to battery health. This service message is normally an indication that the battery is degraded and needs to be replaced However, even if you put in a brand new battery a first-party Apple battery you take two iPhone XS's and swap their batteries They will both display the error That is unless an Apple genius or an Apple authorized service provider authenticates a battery to the phone That phone will never show

its battery health and will always report this vague ominous problem so the way it works is that there's a texas instruments microcontroller on the battery that provides information to the phone like capacity temperature and how much time until it fully discharges there's nothing inherently wrong with that as far as i i don't know of a phone that doesn't have that feature i mean apples is a little bit custom but like uh basically the thing that has changed now is that the chips in the newer iPhone batteries include an authentication feature that stores the info for pairing the battery to the iPhone's logic board. If the battery doesn't have the unique authentication key, the iPhone's logic board is expecting you'll get the service message. So I wonder if anyone can figure it out and if it would be even remotely

worth it to swap the microcontrollers uh apparently yes that would work yeah um it's extraordinarily difficult but that's what i mean it's more work than okay yeah because and this is something that is sort of um i guess a saving grace of this move. Other than giving you that message, it doesn't have an effect. So you know how if your battery is degraded past a certain lifespan, Apple can throttle the performance because it can't deliver the peak power

that the phone needs in order to perform its best or whatever. Apple's degraded message here doesn't force the phone into that mode or anything like that. For now. Hold on. It just says degraded message here doesn't force the phone into that mode or anything like that. For now. Hold on. It just says degraded, and otherwise the phone operates normally. The problem, as you ruined my transition to, is that this is yet another bloody slippery slope

for Apple to lock down their devices even further so that nobody without Apple's permission is allowed to open a device and service a device that you own. Even Tesla is improving in this regard. And like, they do not have a good track record. So I don't really have anything else to say about that. I understand Apple's point to a degree. You know, every time an iPhone blows up, it makes the news.

Apple doesn't want that. And if they could, you know, look back at some telemetry data that shows that that phone was giving a message to their owner that the battery needs to friggin' be serviced, and be like, well, that wasn't the battery we put in there. That would be very nice. That would be very nice for them.

I'm very conflicted on Apple right now, because I kind of really want an iPhone as my daily driver, because it would be very nice for security reasons. And the sign-in with Apple stuff that's coming and all that kind of stuff is really cool. On the other hand, do you know how much a battery swap by Apple costs? Exactly. Right. Yeah. So there's like, there's the like, I really like privacy things and I really like right to repair.

And right now they're not going together at all. Yeah. And that's pretty frustrating. That being said, how many times have you had a battery swap in a phone that you actually, well, you're a bad person to ask for this. No, go ahead, ask me. How many times have you had a battery swap on a phone that is your personal daily driver? Oh, yeah, no. Because I know you've had them for like the security phones and stuff, but that doesn't really.

Yeah, no, no. Like I've done phone battery swaps, but I change phones so often. You know, the Note 9 might be my first one based on how the Note 10 looks. Because I'm not upgrading to it. Can we do a quick straw poll? Sure. I want to use the new polling service It's not ready yet. Sure. Uh Hit me with that straw poll. What do you want to know Luke? What do you want to know? Should be like more than once can we assume that getting a battery swap one time in a phone is not that big of a deal? Sure, is that fair? Yeah, so have you had your battery swapped in phone is not that big of a deal? Sure. Is that fair?

Yeah. So have you had your battery swapped in your phone more than once, yes or no? Sure. Okay. Okay. Yes, no. no and then these types of polls have a tendency for people to only answer if they're in the upset category so i want you to answer this yeah no matter what yeah okay hit me with that poll i'm dropping it in youtube dropping it in that youtube good job are you gonna drop it in that

float plane yeah oh you don it in that float plane? Yeah. Oh, you don't have the float plane stream up. You know what? I'll do a couple super chats while we wait. It's already up. Float plane is fast. Satwik Kumar, have my free money.

Oh, thank you. Steven Elswick, hey, from someone deployed overseas, love your channel, having your content to watch after a long day is how I relax, and go float plane. Yeah. You know that if you give us a tip on youtube they take a bunch of the money and if you do it on youtube um uh floatplane takes a bunch of the money which is good um i mean thank you thank you appreciate it um you know what's

really funny we have had some people we actually need a tip feature because this is probably an additional tip he's probably subscribed on floatplane already we do yeah feature we have had people that have contacted us asking to pay the higher tier really that's why i had you update the description being like hey you get all the same things and then we had some people be like yeah no i just want to pay more like oh when is 4k gonna be ready okay pretty soon actually okay well we can roll out a 4k option That'd be pretty sweet. And then I actually do we have do we have a feature yet to like quickly export? Like people's emails if they want to be on like a special mailing list or whatever like when our text posts coming

That is when are all the features coming Luke? the the The the the user list export thing. Yes is something that was brought up very recently by E-Boss Vox. I'm sure it was. And is not currently roadmapped, but is interesting. Interesting. We're currently trying to fix some things. Now that we've onboarded some creators, some more problems have surfaced

because we haven't onboarded creators in forever. So we're trying to smooth those over and then keep moving forward. Okay, I'm posting the link to Twitch. Twitch got ignored for a little bit hey can you guys do a show about trying to get freesync working on a g-sync monitor uh we could i actually don't know um i don't know if you can do that because variable refresh rate like that implementation of variable refresh rate from freSync may specifically not be supported by NVIDIA Scalar, which is like a hardware piece in the monitor. I don't know. The answer is I

don't know. So I might've said something dumb just there, but it wasn't my fault or at least wasn't my intention. All right, let's have a look at our straw poll results. Have you had your battery swapped in your phone more than once? Wow. So not many people actually. No. And this is from an enthusiast crowd. than once. Wow. So not many people actually. No. And this is from an enthusiast crowd. So are you, okay. So, okay. Hold on a second here. So are you suggesting then, actually, I have a couple of different angles here. So are you suggesting that we should just treat a battery swap once every three to four years as part of device maintenance? And then after that, the phone has probably exceeded its usable lifespan anyway so off to the recycler basically okay let me suggest that our enthusiast crowd may have actually swayed

this poll the opposite way you might think oh because they're buying devices because they're probably buying devices more often oh interesting this is part of the problem with like... Pulling you guys. Yeah Or any like specific crowd. We need we need like a wider net. That's interesting. That might actually be very true. I don't know because I know I think the only person in my personal life that isn't me or you That's gotten their phone serviced or has worked on their phone to the point of taking it apart and swapping things that wasn't like the hot swap removable batteries from back in the day is like one of my parents, and that's it. Right.

So I don't know of that many people that do it, but that's also an extremely narrow scope, so that doesn't help either. I don't know. Ultimate fails. Any plan to make a left phone pocket stealth hoodie? Oh, wow. We covered that.

Ethan, free speech laws in the US are sticky. Some speech becomes an action. For example, death threats are illegal regardless of how they're conveyed. Yep, that's a good point. We did bring this up. Ilya, hey guys, before LTX you promised to host the next mindshow wearing only underwear, including bras. Did you lie? We didn't lie, we forgot. And we also didn't promise't promise but I forgot I totally am down to do that what you don't have to do is fine when config today we learn Linus is mostly libertarian regarding speech at least here's the thing labels are bad yeah labels do not promote independent thought so no I would never call myself a libertarian. I would never call myself a conservative.

I would never call myself a liberal. I would never call myself right-wing, left-wing, or even centrist. Someone's gonna grab one of those? Yeah, I know, right? And then use it against you. I would never say that Hitler was... No, I'm just kidding. Okay.

That clip of me does exist. Now someone's, I know. Yeah, I know. But if it didn't, someone would just deep fake the rest of it on. I know, right? So anyway, I would never use a label to describe myself because a label does not adequately convey the thoughts that I have about these kinds of complex issues there. And they shouldn't for you either. Because just because the other libertarians think something

doesn't mean that you should. Not every personal liberty makes sense. Some of them do. But you have to actually think critically about whether things are a good idea. Yeah. David says, depending on if you're talking about free speech as the First Amendment protection or free speech as a concept

because there's a distinction there, that is correct, but either way what I said stands. Nope says, you should collab with Mighty Car Mods that would actually be sick. Yeah. Thomas says, name your upload time in.beats. That would be really cool. MB67, any chance of purchasing a float plane t-shirt We don't have plans for that right now, but it is something that we've given some thought to yeah Quaidro says

Just replaced my GTX 780 willing to sell it to Linus for $500 great deal I bought it new for 650 have50. Have original box and receipt. Can't hold it for long. GPUs are hot right now. I think that message took about a year and a half to come through to us. Spaghetti Bebo. I'm auctioning the domain plainfloat.com on GoTaddy. Yeah, he's been bugging me

about that. Good luck with that. We have no interest in it. Have fun, dude. Thanks for the money. Sarah says, how to overclock a laptop i7? You need to have an overclockable laptop and then you need to press the overclocking button in most cases. Captain Nano

Captain, I don't know what you're talking about. Can't sleep. Take my sleep-dep sleep deprived money, okay? Sure Sean says unsubscribing from MKBHD not my real dad. No don't do that This is all about more subscribers for LTT not less for Marquez because Marquez is a cool, dude IQ solutions reach out to my communities for you keep it up awesome Yeah, I'll says bought merch in April to be shipped to Singapore back in April. Hasn't arrived. Support has been scarce because of the wind-up to LTX.

Okay, yes. Email support again. We will get it taken care of. If not, PM me on the forum. Actually, PM Nick. Don't PM me. I get too many PMs. Lego Man says,

I am watching while wearing one of my new Element shirts I bought on the last Man Show. Yeah, okay. So that's a case where we did ship it out quickly. Megan says, Luke laughs at everything. Tell us. I can't. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah.

How about a hat or mouse pad for float play? Okay, we don't have a plan for float play. Make more float play in gear, says Megan again. Okay. Elwood says, LTT swimwear when? LTT kids wear when? My son, every time I bring home a new merch item, he's like, Daddy, is there one in kid

size yet i'm like oh kid no what am i sorry lizard makes baby gear do they really yeah of course they do their blizzard yeah um why not one phone pocket on each side we actually like the symmetrical or the asymmetrical look i'm sorry it was It was a style decision. I'm sorry. I'm not exactly a style expert. Probably costs more money. I liked it. Not much. It's a style decision.

Okay. Reggie says, just wanted to give some support for getting the epic news in there. Yeah, it's a big deal. Joggers are running shoes. Do shorts instead. No, no. Joggers are pants, but depends where you're from. You might be from like the UK or something.

Oh, you're from Australia. Okay. well, that explains the lingo difference. Okay. I think that's all we have time for today. Oh, okay. Nicholas says, I carry two replacement batteries to swap on business trips. Right, but you are an edge case, and you know you're an edge case so cut it out um all right so that's it for the land show this week see you again next week same bad time same bad channel except not i'm out next week i'm on vacation time on the same

channel anyways i'm on vacay but i'm not gonna see you again next week same bad time same bad channel but he will yeah yeah because you're not on vacation I don't know who's gonna be there with me, but someone probably not physically. Bye That's a good chip yeah Oh Lordy did we not update the floatplane title either? Dang it Luke. Oh yeah, you got that one. Oh. Brought to you by Squishmas!

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