The WAN Show - Verified WAN Show - WAN Show November 11, 2022

Episode Date: November 14, 2022

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Keep chasing it. Drive your ambition. Mitsubishi Motors. How are you all doing this week? Welcome to the WAN Show. We've got a fantastic show lined up for you. The big news in tech this week is obviously the socialpocalypse. That's right. We've got the verification topic. We're talking about Twitter. We're talking about, what was the other one?

Tumblr's verification checkmarks. We got dbrand's verification checkmarks. We'll be chatting a little bit about that. In other news, there were some various nvidia shenanigans the x 4080 12 gig is back as a 4070 ti but it's still gonna hurt your wallet which is pretty hilarious uh logitech has confirmed that they are sending me a sample of the g cloud okay so that was their this is a review sample. So we'll be talking about sort of my thoughts about the G Cloud. I'm pretty excited to get hands on with it.

And in what I'd say is probably the biggest news of the week, Ash Ketchum finally did it. Finally, the best official, officially best Pokemon trainer. I'm sure luke's gonna have a lot of thoughts about that at least i hope he does because i never even watched the original show so i have no idea what's going on oh also what does that even mean i shouldn't laugh that loud in the airport also luke's here with me you know so uh yeah you can tell it's going to be a

really great show because he's definitely you can see he's verified verified here all right let's roll that intro first time ever let's try to into our big topic of the week okay luke you've been traveling obviously because you're clearly not here so um yes well have you been keeping up with what's been going on in the social apocalypse i thought after the first week of elon owning twitter that the the days of of of hot and heavy fast and loose updates coming was going to be uh we're going to be kind of over but if anything it feels like the chaos has accelerated have you been paying attention to this i've been checking in at least at least like once or twice a day just to scroll for a few seconds and it is it is brilliant and beautiful chaos in my opinion i said before this was

happening that i was happy that it was happening because it's not like he could make it any worse and if anything he's definitely made it more entertaining um and in his own words i don't know if this is necessarily 100 true or not but in his own words there's more users on twitter right now than there ever has been or more activity at the very least so i mean to a certain degree it's working maybe all the advertisers are leaving but there's a lot of people yeah there's i mean i i honestly i haven't been able to look away from the train wreck and you know what the really mind-boggling thing to me is is that one of as one of the chief trolls

on twitter never mind chief twit the fact that he couldn't see this coming from a thousand miles away like man have you checked out some of the amazing impersonator accounts oh yeah there's there's been some pretty epic ones the um whatever that pharmacy was eli lily and co okay yeah wow fake verified twitter account for eli lily and co tweeted and this is this is the most amazing part, tweeted, insulin is now free, after which their stock actually plummeted. Is that amazing or what? Their stock went from $3.68 down to $3.46. And this isn't a stock that was going down. This is a stock that's been going up for the last month.

Actually has trended up overall for the last six months and experienced a significant daily dip. Now, I do expect it to recover. Eli Lilly & Co. has since apologized for the misunderstanding. They say that they're sorry that you thought they said that. They're not sorry for gouging on the price of insulin no no no they're not sorry about that at all but they're sorry that they're sorry that anyone thought that they would stop doing that it's the most awful non-apology apology that i think i have ever seen

like very fitting for a pharmaceutical gouging company though oh totally makes sense absolutely absolutely it is amazing to me what pharmaceutical companies get away with in the states and in the conversation under that tweet i saw a lot of people talking about the price of insulin which they absolutely should and one of the most common defenses for the price of insulin is that it doesn't matter because your insurance pays for it and it's like no no insurance does not pay for anything you pay for insurance and then the money passes through your insurance that that's how insurance works and if you're if insulin costs more you'll pay more for insurance and if your employer pays for your insurance that's money that could have gone to you right come on people

come on people oh that's still money leaving your like sphere of influence whether or not it was going to be 100 exactly directly deposited into your bank account or not is not 100 relevant your boss might have ended up just keeping it right but there's a chance okay there's a chance that some of it might have made its way to you once it leaves your company's coffers and goes to some pharmaceutical company, that chance goes to zero. There is zero chance that it makes it to you. This is just like, how does money work basics here? And I'm sure that I'm preaching to the choir. I know our audience is pretty clever and understands fundamentally how insurance works. At the end of the day, no insurance company will stay solvent if dollars

out is greater than dollars in, right? So, you have to charge at least as much as you end up paying out. That's how it works. I mean, it's, and that's another really funny one to me is, you know, people will go, but, you know, I don't want to pay for someone else's medicine. That's socialism. But that's what insurance basically is, is everyone pays into this pool and then the people that need it get paid out. And the greater those payout prices are, the fewer people they can afford to treat and the more rejected claims. Like, the whole thing is, like, you know, you're kind of all on the same team until the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical companies collude to get the pricing as high as

possible so that well it's not even a collusion i'm sure the insurance companies would rather pay less but there's the whole thing where you can't um uh where the negotiation abilities of these companies is limited in the u.s it's it wild. It's wild what's going on down there. And to be clear, we have tons of problems. Tons of problems in Canadian healthcare. Like, lots of problems. But our insulin is, like, cheap. Which is good, I guess.

We have that benefit, at least. Yeah, man. The fact that you can... I just with the with the midterm elections going on down there right now the fact that anyone can get elected without a platform that includes like just putting big pharma in its place is mind-blowing to me like that that's not the number one like issue regardless of like reforming their Medicare system or whatever, even if they kept their system entirely the same, just stepping on pharmaceutical companies a little bit in general,

I think makes a ton of sense. I don't know, man. You look at U.S. developed drugs in the U.S., and they're like 20 times the price as that same drug from that same company literally five minutes across the border yeah like literally you could walk in some cases to somewhere where it costs a fraction as much if i was an american in america i would be pissed that i was subsidizing the drug costs for other rich nations, basically. That would be annoying.

Why do we have to do that? I would be angry about that and wanting that to change. Completely regardless of any other healthcare reform stuff. Just like the pharmaceutical stuff is crazy. That's all. But anyway, what was your favorite thing that happened on twitter since elon's takeover because i know mine let's go ahead let's let's just do kind of a week in review here so this week on elon's twitter uh eight dollar twitter blue launched you got to

give credit where credit's due okay elon said that they were going to launch this paid verification program like extremely quickly this is probably faster than Twitter has ever gone from conceptualizing a new product to launching it, right? So credit where it's due, they got this program launched extremely quickly. So for $8, you could buy a check mark and that check mark would identify your account as like blue verified.

So it was part of the Twitter blue program. And then clicking on it would also identify if it was like a legacy verified account. Then they launched a second gray official check mark under accounts that had legacy verification to differentiate actual verified accounts that were at risk of being impersonated with just people who paid for a blue picture

next to their name. Tumblr launched their own $8 blue check marks. You can apparently buy up to 24 of them, which is pretty neat. Just thought we'd throw that in there. So Tumblr managed to get in the news about this. Well, why anything, Luke? Why can you buy 24 of them?

Because then you're more verified. Like, what are you, an idiot? No, you could just stack up to 24 of them in your username. Then, within hours, Elon killed the official checkmark. He also tweeted, far too many corrupt Legacy Blue verification checkmarks exist, so no choice but to remove Legacy Blue in coming months. No idea what that means. And on Thursday, this is this is great i actually was reading an article whose premise was um elon's twitter might not be that screwed trimming the

head count reduces the operating cost and the users are up and uh he's got this this uh this core of of like like right-handed people who are going to be able to help execute in this area and this area in this area and in the time between i guess uh them writing that article and me reading it two of the top executives that were supposedly going to be uh helping elon steady the ship i think one of them was in charge of advertising sales and then one of them was i'm sorry i really trust and safe that's right uh head of trust and safety um left oh man um twitter employees were told that remote work is ending if you can physically make it to an office and you don't show up resignation accepted um that was apparently the message and in an

internal memo elon didn't quite directly say that the company might go bankrupt or was this was this in the was this in the internal memo i i can't remember uh where is it blah blah blah no i don't know he sent out a memo that basically said as much though oh man that is wild uh also said he wants to turn it into a bank with high yield money market accounts i have no idea whatsoever that that even what that even means friday morning so this is this morning all right so this is less than a less than a week after twitter blue launched um they suspended the launch of blue brought the official check mark back but only for certain brands uh leading to twitter supports two most recent tweets being completely contradictory

oh man um so here you go yeah here it is official we are not currently putting an official label on accounts but we are aggressively going after impersonation and deception to combat impersonation we've added an official label to some accounts. So which one is it? I saw a really hilarious tweet from someone putting Twitter Blue's official verification checkmark with the appropriate company. So it had a head of lettuce on there, like little bar graphs for how long these things lasted. So it had a head lettuce at three days uh it had uh anthony scaramucci do you remember that guy yeah i had him on there uh i forget her name but had uh britain's last liz truss uh britain's uh very shortest shortest lasting pm ever um oh man uh so yeah it was head and head of trust and safety uh so chief privacy officer um chief

iso information security officer i can't remember what uh cso stands for yeah infosec yeah and chief compliance officer all resigned i mean man uh this is a complete cluster okay luke what was your favorite part of the week hit me my favorite part um what was when everyone that i saw on the platform was impersonating elon all the same time did you do you see that yeah that was actually amazing i opened twitter and i thought it was glitched because as i scrolled through literally every single account in my in my uh news feed whatever was elon musk with his picture and i had to scroll like a few times to get to someone that wasn't impersonating elon and i was like that's actually, that's some like epic, everyone

coming together on the internet stuff that you just, you don't see all the time, you know, that was fun. I was so tempted to do it, man. I even had what my tweet was going to be lined up. Um, I was going to, I was going to be like, it was, it was sort of half baked in my mind, but I wanted it to be something along the lines of, like, one of my favorite things to do as chief twit is start new trends. Let's all post selfies with people who didn't kill themselves and, like, post the picture of him with Jeffrey Epstein.

Like, I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure I could have gone viral enough to get banned and so i was like i don't know if it's worth it i was really not sure where you're going with that but that was the best possible direction i uh i thought about joining some trend a few of them seemed enticing but then i realized i would have to, um, actually tweet to do that. So I kind of decided not to. Yeah. Luke doesn't tweet anyway.

So I hate Twitter so much. Oh, it's, um, it's interesting though, because like, ah, I,

I think he knew, I have a weird theory that I think he knew. Um, are you going 40 chess on this? I think he knew. I have a weird theory that I think he knew. Are you going 4D chess on this? I think so, yeah. I think he's 100% intentionally trying to stir the pot as much as possible. Because he's trying to do the web thing, right? He's trying to blow up the user base as much as possible. And the usage on the platform,

he's probably not lying. It is probably higher than it has ever been. And him saying like Twitter might go bankrupt. A lot of people are posing this as a new situation. Twitter has been almost bankrupt a ton of times. Twitter loses absurd amounts of money money this is not a profitable platform it's a terrible website it's it's it was really poorly ran that was actually well documented like before elon took over yes this axing of employees not in this way yeah this was not the not the cleverest most smartest um lines of code because der i like the whole thing was kind of whack but they probably need to lose a bunch of employees

um they probably needed to change a lot of things that they were doing and bankruptcy was absolutely on the table and it's on the table for years um so like that's not a new thing it's not suddenly potentially going to go bankrupt because elon showed up yes a bunch of advertisers pulled out but they weren't profitable with the advertisers anyways i mean there is a big difference between a little bit unprofitable and very unprofitable though okay okay like advertising is 90 of their revenue extremely insanely unprofitable to the world is ending unprofitable. They were already losing millions and millions of dollars.

One year they lost $2 billion, didn't they? This was an excessively not profitable company. And yes, it got worse. But it's already in the volcano and he just shoved it way further down. I'm astonished that Twitter is still around. I thought years ago, Twitter would just be gone because it's just a garbage platform. And what was, I think the, the, was it the 2016 elections completely saved the platform? Like if that, if that crazy ball of chaos didn't happen twitter would have died

um and there's there's a bunch of conspiracy stuff talking about how uh twitter is a big part of the reason why that election turned into the crazy ball of chaos that it was and twitter noticed that that was saving them so they right kind of helped edge it along which i don't know how true that is or not i've just seen some stuff about it i wouldn't along, which I don't know how true that is or not. I've just seen some stuff about it. I wouldn't be surprised. Um, I don't know. The whole thing's a mess.

It's been a terrible garbage fire. People are acting like it is suddenly now a terrible garbage fire. The fire might be bigger. The pile of garbage might be bigger, but it's been a terrible garbage fire the whole time. So, okay, hold on a second.

Um, a terrible garbage fire the whole time so okay hold on a second um another possible favorite moment this week was when uh elon sold another four billion dollars of tesla stock after saying he wasn't gonna do that no did he that's another that was that was another pretty good one um oh boy yeah yeah tesla stock has uh not been a good time now i think there was a little bounce um based on the like inflation consumer index or whatever i haven't actually paid attention tech in general had a had a pretty bouncy day yesterday but uh tesla has been on a not good not good run for the last little bit here, along with a lot of tech, but it's really not helping

that there's investors expressing concern that Elon is spending all of his time dinking around with this money fire over at Twitter and not spending time building cars that people actually want to drive and stuff. Yeah, I mean, that's probably fair. He's the CEO of like way too many companies.

Um, I know he, he does his whole, like I work super hard. I sleep at the factory thing, but at a certain point you're spending like one day a week maximum at each company, even if you are sleeping there.

So like, yeah, maybe just only sleeping there um all right so i think uh we can move on from twitter why don't we talk about the general tech apocalypse that's going on that's not just at twitter this week at meta 11 000 people were laid off that was on wednesday which is 13 percent of the company's workforce um zuckerberg apologized to staff for somehow thinking that the massive surge in online commerce driven by covid would not return to prior trends um but insiders told wired that the layoffs were also compensating for many failed projects from the last five to ten years. Their Libra crypto thing, their Lasso TikTok clone, Portal. Remember Portal?

I'm happy to say that we got some of that Facebook stupid money fire money from them before that whole thing just turned into nothing. They're like video calling appliance remember that thing yeah vaguely yeah instagram facebook shopping plans their podcast plans hey i uh i i got some i got some of that money too so that was that was pretty cool thanks uh thanks meta um the meta watch and more uh many analysts and investors are questioning a future in which meta goes all in on the metaverse instead of putting more resources into things that have a clearer path to profitability um i would question that a little bit i'm gonna i'm gonna throw some controversy in there sure hit me yeah i i don't know that vr is necessarily it but i don't

know what else could be it and i think facebook is or meta is understanding that their current platforms are kind of across the board becoming untrendy and dying um well they're not the thing anymore well it's not it's not so much that it's, or it is that, but the, the main thing is that, you know, okay. You're always talking to me about this. What, what's the, what's the rule for how much easier something becomes in development or whatever amount of time, what were you talking about there? I, I am, I hope I'm not misquoting it, but this is how I've been saying it for a while.

It's every three years, everything gets three times easier. Okay. And it's not, you can it, but this is how I've been saying it for a while. It's every three years, everything gets three times easier. Okay. And it's not, you can't, you can't boil that down. It has to be at least three years, whatever, blah,

blah, blah. Yeah. Yeah. So basically what it seems to me is that meta is understanding that the moat around their product is getting thinner. Yeah. So you can't differ.

Like you can't just say say oh yeah we figured out we figured out scalability of something like a you know a feed that you can scroll through images or videos or whatever else someone else can build that now so yeah there's open source projects for it at this point exactly so the only thing that differentiates them is the user base. And the only thing that keeps a user base somewhere is trendiness. And this trendiness, it feels like comes and goes faster than ever. Like the rise of TikTok still blows my mind. How fast TikTok went from absolutely nothing to absolutely everywhere. Wild, right?

So yeah, I think you're absolutely right. They have to figure out something. And you know what? I got to be honest. What is... What else is there? So yeah, AR, VR, XR, whatever you want to call it, might not be it.

But what is your next frontier of technical innovation that is going to create a huge moat around you that keeps your competitors out? Yeah, so I'm back. Hopefully this is working. But yeah, that was effectively my point. And he could be right. He might just be currently far from the goal. I don't know that he's right. But they need something, right? And they're seeing Apple just consistently have wins because they're owning the hardware space.

They're finding ways to make sure that they keep on getting more market share. And because they own the device, they can do things like that. We're going to make it so that every, like when people install an open Facebook, it asks them if they want the advertising tracking or whatever. And that just completely screws Facebook over. Apple is able to control that because they own the platform. I think, think what the heck is that hopefully you guys heard that because that was weird um i think the zuck saw that happen and was like i need that i need to be able to own the platform i need something that i can own the platform on we tried the watch we tried the portal we tried all this other stuff remember the facebook phone that stuff is working

yeah vaguely yeah but none of that worked so they need to be first basically apple was first to smartphone effectively i know there were some other ones but it was the first of that kind um and and they've they've held dominance ever since so like yeah i i the the general path i totally understand i don't know if vr is it i hope it is it that'd be cool well you've been rooting for vr basically since the first time you heard about it it's just yeah it's going slow man it's going slow yeah and we knew the whole time that it was gonna go really really slow. I feel like if anything, he put all his chips in too early. It's like that. What is that? The first, I almost said need for speed, not need for speed. The first Fast and the Furious, when he's like too soon, kid, when he

uses his nitrous or whatever. I feel like it's that situation. He probably sent it a little early. I think they should have kept doing like a decent amount of investment but nothing as insane as they're doing right now and then once it was a little bit more ready for them to actually hit it um that's when to go but this is this is quite the yolo um yeah all right um and i mean you know what the really the the really big trend overall right now is tech companies cutting their staff i mean luke and i just have this like um i don't know i don't know how to describe it other than layoff porn but we in our discord like half of half of what the two of us have been talking about is just like posting articles to each other of companies that have laid off 10 20 30 i mean twitter it was 50 of their staff um it's it's

really it's really rough out there right now in other news yeah it's it's been wild if you feel like you have a lot to contribute to a platform like Flowplane or to the LTT lab, then, you know, maybe get in touch. We're hiring. Yay! Not enough positions to make up for what's going on right now, but we are hiring. Yeah, you want to bring in 11,000 people? thousand people so the discussion the discussion question here coming back to twitter and facebook and you know the terrifying reality that right now the media that we consume is effectively controlled by two utterly unrelatable billionaires uh elon musk and mark zuckerberg uh the question is how likely is it that an alternative decentralized social website makes a comeback here? Is there any hope that this situation could actually lead to an improvement in the social media landscape? What are the odds?

Part of what makes a social platform usable is moderation. How can you possibly trust a decentralized website to moderate? And if it can't moderate, how will it ever be sustainable? People have shown time and time again that they are not willing to pay what infrastructure costs. The second, you know, whether it's YouTube trying to charge for 4K video or, I mean, Twitter trying to charge for this blue checkmark that could potentially keep the platform alive. People have shown again and again and again, they're not interested. Their expectation from the Silicon Valley model that has worked for so long is that this is free and so now all of a sudden what you want what you want

to charge you want to charge for cloud storage i'm outraged so now what yeah it's it's a really interesting problem um because back in the day privacy was king people didn't want to be tracked people didn't want all this type of stuff. And then there's an interesting thing, and we've talked about this too, when anything comes towards people's wallets, their stances on things can very rapidly and very strongly change. So the second it's like, they'll be like, oh, I want privacy. I want want to own my data i don't want people to be able to track me and then they're like i have to i have to pay four dollars yeah you can take all my tracking you can take everything you want um i'll do whatever i mean there's a version there was a version of the oculus quest 2 the business one that costs like twice as much or something like that but didn't have all the facebook tracking stuff in it nobody talks about that nobody bought bought it. Businesses,

sure, but individual users, like, I don't know, a few hundred bucks, my soul? Sure. Okay. Right? Yep, exactly. Yeah, so like, I don't know, it's rough. Maybe if someone comes up with something that's I know decentralized is

already in this text, but if someone comes up with something that's like peer-hosted, but peer-hosted things... They have a tendency to evolve into a dumpster fire. Yeah. I'm not going to lay the blame on anyone in particular, but they really do.

Yep. Yeah, it's like kind of a problem, actually. So I don't know. My gut reaction is like, nope, nope. The social space is like established. The only people that can step into it are setups like TikTok, where there's like, you know,

kind of suspicious funding behind all of it and yada, yada, yada, yada. But then Discord kind of came out of nowhere as well. I mean, Discord's funding is a little suspicious too. That's true. all of it and yada yada yada uh but then discord kind of came out of nowhere as well i mean discord's funding is a little suspicious too that's true but i think just saying discord had an answer to a space that was totally messed up at the time um people were kind of done with the like mumble ventrilo team ski team speak uh model again people don't want to pay for anything um i mean mumble was free people still didn't want to deal with just the

obtuse setup process yeah yeah yeah um skype kind of stepped in there for a really weird like one to two year almost accidentally though oh yeah absolutely um and then people abandoned it because it was horrible uh so so discord was able to holistically answer this question but it's not like facebook is going anywhere it's not like twitter's well for now twitter going anywhere yeah um yeah that'll be interesting but i can rgb in floatplane chat asks what do you think of the twitter blue business model compared to discord aren't they basically the same thing well the difference is that the discord uh what's it called nitro or whatever it is yeah nitro on discord adds value with features that actually cost money so for example one of the things you

can do in nitro is share your screen at a much higher resolution to the other people in your chat that can have a very real value to gamers who want to kind of uh play skeezy in a game like escape from tarkov right if they want to have a low latency stream where they can see where their allies are, whatever the case may be. What's the equivalent for Twitter blue? What, I get some pixels? I get some pixels on my name? Like that doesn't have a value that to me,

it doesn't enhance my experience in a meaningful way. And so what Twitter tried to do, I should say Elon, because this is not twitter the organization this is elon was without thinking about it leap in make verification which was a clear thing that people valued because verification meant you you know had a big epine or whatever so take a thing that people valued and paywall it and kind of a pillar of of current like social platforms as well as you have you have uh and i know twitter didn't exactly work this way but it was somewhat close you know you have you have creators that are trying to push

on the platform and make careers out of posting on this thing whatever it is um and they get some form of badge to be like this is a real person who's trying to do this thing yes that happens on youtube that happens on tiktok that happens pretty much everywhere else and that sort of happened on twitter but again this is something that i feel like people are constantly forgetting the whole verification process was a dumpster fire yeah and it it had huge problems and it existed for a reason that wasn't to make money it existed to prevent these um these uh it just barely existed that's well okay so it barely existed but but it was to prevent this whole impersonation problem from being from spinning out of control so all of a sudden making it something

that you can pay for is obviously going to completely undermine the reason that it existed in the first place a it will turn the check mark from something of value into something worthless and b it will make its entire value which is the platform, which is that it gets rid of impersonation, doesn't get rid of it, but reduces impersonation problems and destroy it. So it was just, I mean, I think this really raises the question, is Elon's prior success a total accident or is it that he's just gotten arrogant from the prior success?

Because it's pretty clear looking at this that these are not genius iq moves so what's happening um my my thing here is he i think he knee jerked on a joke to buy twitter and then it went a little too far he tried to to bail out. They forced him. He has a relatively recent thing talking about like how he, he didn't actually see a reality where he was going to get stuck purchasing it. Um, and then he did get stuck purchasing it.

Um, it was either get stuck purchasing it or pay a, I think like a $1 billion fine or something. Why didn't he just pay the billion? Cause what, what was it $3 million a day? He has absolute F you money and just doesn't care, I think. Right, so then why not pay the billion? I guess the damage to the ego would have been great.

I don't know. Yeah. But then, hold on. He has effectively infinite money. And someone tried to call him on it, and he said, F you, and instead of paying the $1 billion fine, took it from them, fired all of them, trashed their house, and burned everything.

I think that's what's happening. That doesn't seem big brain to me. I mean, sure. But again, he still has infinite money. When you have a way, he still has like, I'm assuming like, what? $150 billion? That's just a random guess. It's a lot less than that now.

Tesla's stock where most of his wealth was tied up is a lot more down there than it was google says 188.1 billion yeah i guess how recent that is i guess we'll have to see we'll have to see yeah um yeah i don't know i just i just don't know i just don't know what uh just don't know what to make of it because there have definitely been times that I look at what he's doing, I go, yeah, it's got to be like 4D chess. I must just not understand the game he's playing right now. This game just looks like absolutely having

not only bad ideas, but no idea whatsoever how to tell if your ideas are bad or how to manage people and that's his whole thing is he's supposed to be a smart business manager like that's his whole image yeah again i feel like he's just trying to light the light the room on fire um but yeah apparently updated as of yesterday he is at 199.8 billion that's a lot of billions that's a lot of billions it's it's entirely too many billions so like okay he lost 40 he still has 200 nothing matters he has infinite money i don't know yeah okay i think uh i think it was worth it to him even if what he ends up doing uh is just completely nuking it i think it was worth it to him for for all those people that were like laughing at him and going ha ha we got you you

have to you have to pay us a billion dollars now i think he's going like no i'm gonna buy the whole thing and just fire all of you and nuke everything and here's here's my response to that i think that if if the if the pride or the you know the pr negative pr implications of paying the billion dollars was what made him go through with the purchase. I think the only way he thinks going through with it looks better is if he actually thinks he can run the thing. And he did, like he tweeted out these simplistic solutions for problems that just obviously weren't going gonna work and wouldn't listen to anybody about how they were obviously bad i just i can't i can't fathom it um anyway there's

other news very different thing than the companies that he has ran outside of this well yeah content moderation is the worst job in the world yeah and, and it's social platforms are very, like, he went from maps and payments to cars and spaceships and other very high technical make an extremely complicated top-of-the-line device or

thing and have people buy or use it. And it is a product that you package and you deliver. This is now he's entering the web space where nothing makes money. Everything burns millions or billions of dollars. He took one of those companies and took it private, which is just, that just doesn't work. Like it actually doesn't because they don't make money. So there's an issue. And I think he just,

yeah, just has no idea what he's doing, but was unwilling to pay the 1 billion because it would have been a loss. I think like a, not a loss of money. I don't think he probably cared as much about that. I think it would be a, a like strategic loss,

if that makes sense. The people on the board would have beat him and he probably didn't like that that's my guess i have no idea well i got i got nothing else other than this is hilarious and i will be continuing to watch it because it's hilarious uh there were some nvidia shenanigans this week. The GPU formerly known as RTX 4080 12GB is back. Now it's the 4070 Ti, and it still hates your wallet with a passion. A historically accurate leaker, Copite7Kini, gave details about the new 4070 Ti. When the 4080 12GB was announced in September,

the card was panned for its approximately 30% lower performance than the 4080 16GB. After criticism, NVIDIA cancelled the 12GB card, but made no comment about the fate of the AED104 GPU that it was built around. So, the 4070 Ti is rumoured to have the same 7680 CUDA cores and 12 gigs of 192-bit GDDR6X. And while it was originally expected to have a $900 MSRP, the recent announcement of the RX 7900 XT may cause NVIDIA to reconsider this price, though they have to be careful right now

not to cannibalize their 3000 series cards that they seem to still have a lot of stock of. So then this 4070 non-TI is expected to be based on this same core, but likely not the full version of it. And both are expected to release, so 4070 Ti and non-TI, in January 2023. In other news, the RTX 4080 16GB appears to be around the corner. Prices currently range from $1,200 to $1,550 at Micro Center, who has 13 listings of custom cards up.

That's based on an MSRP of $1,200. Nvidia requested that all board partners should have at least one model of MSRP available at launch, and this is really interesting so that's uh that's an interesting bullet point so remember when evga publicly broke up with nvidia recently yeah yeah i was already aware of nvidia's little requests to their board partners to have something available at msrp at launch so you know how that works that whole thing uh wouldn't that mean that they make nothing well okay so they make nothing at launch so you know how it would always happen

that at launch there would be like uh like uh an 8800 ko or whatever there'd be a particular version it would have like two fans and then you would order that and it would be on back order forever but the super clock and super super clock and KO plus and whatever FTW would all be in stock and then the computer store would call you and say hey would you like to switch to one of these other cards it's another 30 or 40 bucks yeah that's how they would handle that because nvidia's pricing the msrps that they get to advertise to you the end user um are not are not real they don't actually have enough margin in them for the board partners to hit those prices in the long term so board partners would quietly discontinue that particular RTX or GTX whatever, and then they'd have these other ones later on when NVIDIA is willing to turn a blind eye.

So guys, keep a close eye over the next six months on 3080, 16, excuse me, 3080, 4080, 16 gig cards and watch those MSRP boards that are available will slowly start to drop away, being replaced by ones that cost another $50, $100, $150 more. And I don't blame the board partners. I for real do not blame the board partners. There's a third rumor, more NVIDIA shenanigans. The RTX 2060 has apparently been discontinued. According to a Chinese tech forum post citing supply chain sources, both the RTX 2060 and 2060 Super will shortly be discontinued. GPUs for these boards have stopped reaching partners, apparently.

So, yeah. If the price is rumored to be the same for the 4070 Ti, okay, and the GPU is the same, should we still be just as mad now that they've given it a new name? Well, isn't the name better? I guess the name is better, but it's still 30% less performance than a 4080 16 gig for $900. Oh yeah. It's complete BS. I, I would have said that this feels like a move by NVIDIA to push the,

uh, below 80 bracket closer to a thousand dollars. If it was premeditated because it's not premeditated. I, I have no idea yeah it's just ridiculous doesn't seem to be 4d chess at all that's honestly i'm getting real disillusioned lately there's been so many times i see moves from big corporations who probably have a lot better of a pr department than i do um you, you know, a lot more lawyers, uh, a lot more accountants

and advisors. And I see them just, I see them doing stuff and it kind of, you know, when you're young, I feel like you've got faith in the system a little bit, you know, like, yeah. Uh, smart people, competent people with, with a good vision for the future and and a good team around them are the ones doing stuff and making decisions and and you know making sure that keeping the barbarians you know off our shores or whatever you know what i mean and yeah it's really quite a disappointing moment when you grow up to the point where you realize that all the old people are just as stupid as you are yeah yeah that yeah yeah because i don't half the time i don't feel like i know what's going on but then i look at our success and i kind of go like man um huh so even though we have like i internally i feel like we got a lot of problems, you know? And yet somehow our execution gets us as far as we've gotten. And it just has shaken my belief, okay? It's shaken my trust that people know what they're doing.

it's all I'm yeah it's all I got to say it's all I got to say about that uh people did Linus just dunk on his own PR team we don't have one that's the joke yeah yeah oh man um hey speaking of speaking of success you guys are a huge part of it if you are looking to send in a message to the show which I will be going through all of them once Luke gets on his flight, maybe we'll do a couple of them beforehand, but if you want to send in a message to the show, it's through merch messages. We've actually got a couple big launches on the store this week. If you guys were looking for something fancy to pick up, Luke, you might appreciate this. We're launching a puzzle. It's's pretty affordable $19.99 for a puzzle featuring our cpu graphic and it's available in three styles you can get the 1000 piece version

of the puzzle which is quite challenging you can get the 100 piece version of the puzzle which is more like if you just want to kind of put it together and be like i did that um yeah pretty big pieces on that one or if you don't really like putting puzzles together at all you can get the one piece version of the puzzle which has all the pieces of the thousand piece version only half cut so you can look like you put together a whole thousand piece puzzle if you just like the graphic and you want to put it up and be like yeah i made a puzzle and you can just hang that on your wall so that's the um that that's the the poser the poser skew for the puzzle the one piece is this a thing like is do people do this i have no idea i've never heard of that before we did it

like is do people do this i have no idea i've never heard of that before we did it i i don't remember whose idea it was but it seems like the kind of thing that's on the subject of you know is our leadership actually uh competent or are they just stupid um i'm pretty sure that was a me thing because we were discussing yeah can't tell if it's an anime meme or if it's actually a good idea I don't know I really don't know either we had actually I'm pretty sure this was my idea actually

now that I think about it because the original concept, this is a Lloyd project and he likes difficult puzzles pay to win puzzle does it cost more? No, no, it should cost the same. No, it costs the same. It costs the same.

The shipping's probably more because it's so big. But I remember the conversation because Lloyd likes difficult puzzles. And this artwork is challenging. Like this is going to be a hard puzzle to build, the thousand piece version of it. So I was like, yeah, but like not everyone wants to build like a really hard puzzle because I wouldn't be that into that. And so I was like, oh, why don't we do like easier ones? Let's do like a hundred piece version.

And then I think I pitched like a four piece. So it's just like four big pieces. But then I thought that would look really stupid on the wall. So I, yeah, this is, this was totally me. So I asked, I asked whether we could ask the supplier because obviously they must just print the whole thing in one go and then die cut it i was like can they just push the die down halfway and then that way instead of it being obvious that they're a poser with their four piece or nine piece puzzle on the wall they can look like they put together the hard one and still get that puzzle look,

but easy mode. So yeah, Jake from the lab is in floatplane chat saying, Lloyd is a puzzle god. It took him ages. Yeah, the thousand piece is very difficult. So if you want to take the easy path, you definitely want the hundred piece or the one piece. That's like a story mode, you know, in your favorite games. Yeah. The one piece.

Uh, I am the thousand piece. The, the fact that the lines, like the angled lines, uh, I don't even know how to describe it or like jagged. Like they don't line up is insane.

That's nuts. That was so hard. We even did a how to describe it, are like jagged, like they don't line up, is insane. That's nuts. That was so hard. We even did a lot to make it easier. Like this pattern in the background wasn't there in the first version. And I think we added some different textures to the gold in the center for the CPU as well. Like Lloyd and I went back and forth a lot on how to make this design slightly less punishing but it is absolutely difficult uh tynan says i was

a tester for this my goodness it was insane i puzzled with my family i've i puzzled with my family every year and have done for a long time. Yeah, it's a difficult puzzle. I will be very curious to see. So I'll be watching this. I'll try and remember to update you guys on the show because I can see the SKU mix for what people actually buy on my app on the phone here.

So if you guys are picking up the puzzle right now during the show, right, when you're in the checkout, you can leave a merch message and it'll get sent. Either bell will reply or it'll pop up down there or i'll talk about it later on the show i'll be really curious to see what the mix is oh my god speed run puzzle build you should we should do a thing i'm pitching this live this is scary we should do a thing where if people film their

puzzle builds and they speed run it like the top speed runner gets like a shirt or something oh that'd be kind of cool uh there's too many ways to cheat i think i think it would have to be from box open and you have to like is is it wrapped uh no it comes in a little uh it comes in one of those little like drawstring bags i think so it comes in a tube and then it comes in a in a drawstring bag inside the tube. I'd have to find the packaging here. Yeah, hold on. Here we go. I think it's too complicated.

Yeah, there it is. There you go. To make it fair, I think it's too complicated. Yeah, you're probably right. Wow! So far, 100% of you want the thousand piece. You guys are apparently into difficult puzzles. So that's good to know.

We'll keep that in mind for the future. Another thing to keep in mind for the future is that we will no longer have the crew neck sweater available on the store. It is on closeout right now. So guys, the last time we did a clearance thing like this it went extremely quickly uh it's marked down from 40 bucks to 24.99 you guys can read the reviews it is an extremely beloved product on the store uh tons of five-star reviews but we are doing away with it it's just one of our older. So now is a time to pick up the remaining sizes that are available. Do we have?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, we have every size available. So you guys are going to want to move pretty quick on that. Finally, I have an update on the shoelace situation. Luke, you're going to get a kick out of this. We heard from a few buyers that their box only included a single shoelace, which is obviously not the intent. Upon further investigation,

after we've shipped out over a thousand of these, it looks like the factory we worked with did in fact only include one shoelace per box. On all of them? Every single one? Clearly this is a mistake, and we will be sending out a second shoelace to everyone who has ordered shoelaces through us up until this point. And all new orders should receive the proper two shoelaces with their order.

Hey, when I was a kid, it was fashionable to mix your shoelaces. Maybe we were just trying to bring that back. Yeah, no, that's not what we were trying to do. We were trying to have both of your shoelaces match your hoodie. So that's really not what we meant to do. So that's to have both of your shoelaces match your hoodie. So that's really not what we meant to do. So that's all for the LTT store updates. How long do you have with us, Luke?

Do you need to get to your flight? Boarding has begun. Has it now? It doesn't completely close for 29 minutes. I should probably leave in like 10 or 15. Okay, I'm going to blow through the sponsors then.

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Ah, yes. Ash Ketchum. Finally won Pokemon. What? I don't know. I don't know either. There's no link for this what's even happening there were tens of thousands of tweets luke this was trending during my my daily twitter check-in on the dumpster fire ash ketchum won it after 25 years win pokemon there's all these different leagues and everything i don't league character one series has won the pokemon world championship okay oh hold on some people hold on some people on float plane are upset

uh about me like supposedly like being down on art or whatever no i'm not that art is important it's just that the entire point of calling something stem was that it isn't that. It's science, technology, engineering, and math, disciplines that are all very closely related and in a very different silo from art. If it's an art thing, then it can be an art thing. And if it's a STEM thing, then it can be a STEM thing. Not everything has to be everything to everyone. That's my whole point. Yes. We absolutely do art projects with our kids. They're just, they're art. And we do STEM things and they're different. And you can make them, you can relate them to each other.

Like Starry Night, the whole, the movement of the things in the painting is whatever based on something. I don't know. It's really cool. Sure. You can make them related to each other, but you, you, that's when you are, you are taking two different disciplines that you've learned and you're bringing them together in a beautiful way.

Yes. That's fine. Exactly. I mean that you didn't say arts bad. It's just not a part of STEM. Jeez. Reminds me of my favorite tweet of all time. What,

what is it? Uh, I'm trying to find it. Um, man, i'm trying to find it um man i'm trying to remember uh okay what were we talking about before oh yeah ash ketchum uh yeah 25 years later he wins the pokemon world championship i uh maybe the burst of sales on pokemon cards uh because of those people buying charizards and the whole world going nuts um went on a decline so now they need to be back in the news i have no idea i don't know why this is a thing uh i'm i wouldn't be either though people celebrating it is the thing that really was what i wanted to discuss because it reminded me of

something that i was reading about on my last trip i was just like kind of doom scrolling and i came across some wwe news now wwe is not something that i follow closely i had a friend in high school who was super into wwf would have been what it was called at the time and so everything I know is from just um absorbing through osmosis from Kenny from high school um but this was this was this piqued my interest and I did end up reading and reading up on it a little bit basically there was a lot of outrage over a recent smackdown or showdown or whatever it was, because the big fight, the big title fight, had a big problem. And that was that the guy who lost,

his shoulders weren't on the mat for the full three seconds, so the win shouldn't have gone to the other guy. And I was kind of mind boggled, right? Because on the one hand, I can absolutely appreciate people enjoying WWE as a form of entertainment in the same way that you might enjoy watching Pokemon as a form of entertainment.

What I absolutely cannot possibly fathom is being really excited over the triumph of this fictional cartoon character and or the victory that was robbed from this actor playing a character in a fictional wrestling match when the result was predetermined in the first place and my understanding is that most wwe viewers do know that it's scripted right yeah okay so then if you know that then you know that it didn't matter that his shoulders weren't pinned for three seconds that's like it's like being upset like you can poke fun at a at a botched um at a botched stunt in a movie right or like the gaff tape on the back of the stormtrooper's thigh in a new hope or whatever right but you shouldn't be mad about it all it was was the stunt where he was supposed to have his like supposed to have his shoulders down they like screwed it up a little bit you know

like they they botched the choreography oh no poor twitch they're all upset that wwe is fake yeah uh that doesn't surprise me that you guys weren't wouldn't know i I love you, Twitch. I love you, Twitch. You're my favorite kid in the class. Even if you catch on a little slow. Oh, they're calling you to the gate. I'm going to say goodbye. Bye, everyone. Fan standard. Hold on.

Fan standard on floatplane. This is amazing. This is a bad take, be honest just because there's a script doesn't mean the rules don't apply yes it does it means the rules are whatever they decide they are oh no okay I gotta go though alright I'll let you

go I'll let you go I don't know you go. I don't know, Bell. Bye, have a good rest of the show. All right, safe travels. Yeah, join them, Bell. Go, go. Bye. Bell, do you want to just jump over here or are there things you need to do from over there?

We could just put the producer cam up. Yeah, we can just hang out with producer cam. Boom, all right. Do you want to just throw producer cam over there and we'll just co-host the show together for the rest? I would love to. All right, cool. That sounds good. producer cam over there and we'll just co-host the show together for the rest? I would love to. All right, cool. That sounds good. There's a couple other big news topics for the week. The founder of Oculus, actually, I would have loved to talk to Luke about this, but you'll do.

The founder of Oculus, Palmer Luckey. Wow, you've got that lined up pretty good. I like that. First try. That looks great. Created a lethal VR headset where if you die in the game you die in real life now this is a very misleading headline but we're not the ones responsible for the misleadingness of the headline we are we are that i actually clicked on a headline that was that clickbait he made a headset that makes you die. But actually, it was more of a supposed to be like a thought provoking art piece than an actual functional headset. We've got a we should have a good shot of it here in the LTT forum. This was posted by dragon winged. Thank you very much.

Source daily wire gets us a picture of the headset. I hope. Hello, headset. Sure. It's on Twitter. Hey, everybody. There it is. All right. So basically, it's either like explosive charges or bullets or something. I don't remember. But pretty much, if you die in game, it blasts out your brain.

and it was meant to sort of provoke discussion around the types of um types of vr experiences that we have now compared to the types of vr experiences that might exist in the future so here's what he says you instantly raise the stakes to the maximum level and force people to fundamentally rethink how they interact with the virtual world and the players inside it. Pumped up graphics might make a game look more real, but only the threat of serious consequences can make a game feel real to you and every other person in the game. The device pays homage to NerveGear, a helmet worn by a fictional killer in the VR-themed manga Sword Art Online. I thought it was actually, you know, in spite of the clickbait nonsense articles, he said he has plans for an anti-tamper mechanism

that will make it impossible to remove or destroy the headset. There are also potentially bugs that could kill someone at the wrong time, so it hasn't been properly tested. But he doesn't intend to ever actually make it. And they are explosive charge modules. There you go. I think it's actually a really interesting conversation because, Bell, you ever play paintball?

Yeah. It's one of the things that I like and that I enjoyed most about paintball is when you've got the actual, and honestly, the way that I would always play is without armor. would wear i would play in a t-shirt and thin pants just so that i'm not like scuffing my knees while i'm you know kneeling around in the grass or sticks or mud or whatever but i would i would intentionally

actually wear very light clothing helmet obviously and i did play with gloves because getting hit like man i i had like one of my knuckles half like ripped off once by a paintball was very unpleasant um but i would play in as light gear as possible because from my point of view the entire reason that paintball hurts is because it changes the gameplay dynamic if i wanted to play video games where there's no consequences i would play video games if i wanted to just run around and meme well i could play laser tag but what's great about paintball is it hurts right and so the the risk and the reward are both elevated so much compared to other games like man you ever um like get around behind enemy lines and like you know manage to get within range like pop a couple people from like 15 feet away no i'm bad

oh yeah no i'm i'm immediately out oh all right well i was pretty good at it um and that was that was like absolutely my favorite thing i loved to flank and uh i believe that's called masochism no because it like it's it's okay that's not the point i don't i don't actually enjoy the pain and i don't enjoy inflicting pain but i enjoy playing a game with real consequences because it totally changes people's behavior. You don't just have people like running into running into fire. Leroy Jenkins! Like you don't deal with that. People are actually trying to play smart. And it's so much more satisfying to outplay smart someone than it is to just have the other team be memeing and you're just like pelting them with little pieces of plastic or whatever.

That's not sadism. My goodness. I think you guys are trying to turn this into something that it's not. I'm just saying it's more fun with real consequences. That's all. Man. Okay. You need skin in the game to take it seriously, and that's more fun. Yes, the bit man. That's exactly what I'm trying to say.

Exactly what I'm trying to say. See, the headset's just cool because Sword Art online is cool like you want to have that risk just because your favorite anime character did you know dark 24 says that makes it not a game the point is that there are no irl consequences that's not true at all the world is full of games with in real life consequences like like prizes money and like injuries and professional sports like no the world is the world is full of games that have real world consequences absolutely uh hydrox 777 says a lot of people who aren't athletes might not understand this i think it's just a competitive mindset like it's no secret that i am a hyper, hyper competitive person. It's not something that I do on purpose,

but no matter what I'm doing. Luke made an offhand comment to me years ago. He goes, man, I don't think I've ever seen anything that you're not halfway decent at. And it's because I try freaking hard. If I'm going to do anything, I'm going to do it as hard as I possibly can. And so I try to improve really fast.

I hate losing. And that's not to try to improve really fast. I hate losing. And that's not to say that I'll never put myself in a position to lose. Losing can be fun. But I love to compete, and especially love to win. So yeah, I don't know, maybe it's just a fine, fine. Maybe it's just a thing that people can't relate to. So I guess we can move on. What else do you want to talk about? Should we talk about the G Cloud review sample? Why don't you give me your take on it?

Have you seen the G Cloud? Yes. So it's interesting. I probably, if this had been announced when the Steam Deck was really early, I'd actually probably be supporting of it more. You're new here. So I got to forgive you for the people.

You got to recap for the people who don't know what the G Cloud is a little bit before you give your take. I'm actually shocked people don't know what the G Cloud is. It's changing the tech world. It is taking over by storm. So on the screen there, the G Cloud is a handheld device like the Steam Deck,

but it only does cloud-based streaming platforms like GeForce or I don't know if it does Game Pass or whatever else, or if it's literally just- Yeah, Xbox Game Pass and GeForce Now. So you have to be connected to the internet at all times, so why be handheld? But the Steam Deck, in its early days, the offline mode sucked. So I'd go to use it, and games just wouldn't work because they required updates or whatever like that, and it would just be bricked.

But now the Steam Deck is great, and the Ion Neos are great. But expensive. Yes. So why would you get something if you have to be around all the time you could just use your phone just buy a 50 razor uh karashi i came over with the hand say or something like that and then you have your 5g connection anyways instead of hot spotting to use this or you're just at home and samsung tvs have game pass and geforce now built in anyways so who is this who is this for they've waited too long yeah um okay so here's what happened um logitech reached out uh about potentially working together to do some sponsorships or some advertising with us around this product. And rightfully, they expressed some concern that I hate it and therefore would not be willing and or able to talk about its benefits fairly. I think that's a smart thing for Logitech to be concerned about.

But I actually think that they might have gotten the wrong idea from the previous times that I've talked about it. I don't hate cloud or network-based gaming at all. In fact, if you go back far enough, was there anyone, and I mean anyone, on the face of the entire earth who beat the drum harder for Steam in-home streaming? Man, I forget what NVIDIA even used to call it,

but the original NVIDIA Shield, okay, which was like a mobile processor, Android device, predominantly designed for streaming PC games to your mobile. Was there anyone who beat the drum harder for that technology than I did? I don't think so. I'm super into it. It's super cool. It's amazing technology. Was it remote play? I know, yeah, I know they call it grid or something like that at some point. No, no, Moonshadow, people are trying to remember what it was called. Yeah, Moonshadow was a different thing. That was like a third-party app that used the same NVIDIA encoder, but it wasn't like the first-party one that ran on the

NVIDIA Shield specifically. For me, the main concern with the g cloud is that it's up against a competing device that can also be used for remote play but that has a powerful pc inside it however there are still ways that the g cloud could justify itself and some of them i've talked about before but some of them i haven't geforce now gaming apparently or game stream no game stream seems i think it's game stream Some of them I've talked about before, but some of them I haven't. GeForce Now Gaming, apparently, or GameStream. No, GameStream seems, I think it's GameStream. Anyway, anyway, the point is, some of the ways that it could justify itself I've talked about before. If, for example, the controls,

like if the ergonomics of it are significantly better than the Steam Deck, I could see that being a reason to have one of these. And they wouldn't even need to be amazing to be better than the Steam Deck. Steam Deck's heavy, man. It's heavy. Another way it could justify itself is great battery life. I haven't seen the battery life. I don't know what the battery life is of the G Cloud, but the Steam Deck, around a couple of hours, if you're actually playing games locally on the device, and you might get what, three and a half or four? Yeah, it's not strong. Yeah, it's not great.

So that's one of the drawbacks of having a powerful PC in your handheld instead of using mobile hardware in a handheld. Okay, that's it. Pricing, it could also justify itself. So we'd have to see what kind of pricing Logitech is planning in the future. So I guess what I'm saying is one is coming,

and I'm going to get a chance to try it in person, and basically we'll decide how to proceed from there. But as a happy Steam Deck customer, would you consider the G Cloud? No, I love my Steam Deck. I don't like the battery life like we've done a few travel projects and having to stop playing you know the first third of a flight or plug it in really sucked but it is truly like amazing i'm playing fallout 4 with mods and it looks great and run smoothly like i can't i can't give that up to go on airplane wi-fi and stream

via g-force hoping that it works well. I'd rather just carry on a battery pack or wait for Gen 2. I feel like Valve would even release just upgrade kits for your Steam Deck. So I feel like that is a more solid investment at this point, especially at its price point. It seems like a no-brainer. DeviantArt reminds us that great artists steal. This particular topic was provided by jonathan horst uh they uh they tweeted the release of man this is kind of wild their new ai tools and controls uh dream up a new tool to generate art uh control the amount of ai art in your feed clear labeling of art that's AI generated.

Directive to opt out of AI data sets and the ability to opt out of prompts. So pretty much their plan for how to address AI art going forward. There's a... Man, wow, okay. So you can output computer generated images from a detailed prompt

using the stable diffusion model and DeviantArt account holders will get five free prompts with more included in the site's core subscription. So you can output computer generated images from a detailed prompt using the stable diffusion model. And DeviantArt account holders will get five free prompts with more included in the site's core subscription plan. They've got a gallery of outputs that people can take a look through. Oh, dang it, you have to log in for this? Oh, no, you do not. You can just say, no, I do not wish to do that. I can't tell if I have actually... No, this is just their homepage. Dang it, you guys.

Ugh. All right. Well, apparently I can't find that. So that's annoying. But there's a gallery somewhere. This one is apparently generated from Sunny Day in Canada. Wow, that's really impressive. I'd believe that's a Sunny Day in Canada. Wow, that's really impressive. I believe that's a sunny day in Canada. Oh, 100%.

That's super cool. Oh, DreamUp collection. Okay, can we? No, of course, I can't click that. Why would I be able to click that? That would be just too, that would be too convenient. All right, fine, whatever. It doesn't matter. What do I know about interface anyway? DeviantArt also published their stance on AI art. So they said artists should be able to tell third-party AI data sets not to use their content. Artists should be able to choose whether or not AI images can be generated in their style. If an artist isn't opted out

and their style is referenced in a prompt, they should be clearly credited. AI images should be clearly marked as such. Viewers should have control over how much AI art they see. AI should not be used for abusive or hateful content. And they said they're not ready for monetization. For artists who want to opt out, it appears that when they upload a work,

there's a checkbox you can click to not authorize for AI data sets, though it can be edited on existing deviations. Later, they plan on adding a way to flag all deviations uploaded to a profile. Anthony had a note here. Everyone should be able to opt out regardless. Yeah. But only some can opt out globally and only by filling out a Google form with a 10 business day lead time. Yeah. Okay. So that's interesting. Our discussion question is, how's this good versus how's this bad for artists?

I think that regardless of how good or bad it is for artists, this stuff is happening. AI art is not going away anytime soon. Yeah. That's interesting. The generating art in people's style. How do you even prove like, I feel like they could back up and be like,

no, it's just someone else's style that looks like yours. Let alone. That's such an interesting feature to choose to implement or just happen by accident sorry man i don't i don't know yeah how do they police that and especially the accreditation again how do they police that unless it's like a watermark on the photo but that just seems so messy oh they apparently backpedaled a bit and said that people will be opted out automatically i don't remember the last time i ended up on DeviantArt though, to be perfectly honest with you. I don't, I don't, I'm not saying they're not relevant.

I'm just saying that as, you know, not an artist, I don't know that they are relevant. Yeah. And OmniOwl says you have to opt out per picture. So you can't just opt out like all of your art. You would have to like select what art you don't want to allow. I don't know. You know what I would never opt out of? Replying to merch messages. Why don't we hit some merch messages here, Mr. Belavance? I would love to. First one I have here is from Ben. Have you considered doing a follow-up to the Cardboard PC Challenge? I recently re-watched it

and would love a follow-up potentially with different materials. Yes. The main difference between the next Cardboard PC Case Challenge and the last one is that we're going to provide the teams with more time. I think last time we did two hours, and the goal this time around is to either do four or a full day, giving us time to really lay out a plan and try to execute it. I think that that will give me far less of an advantage than last time. Because if Team Alex had actually had time, I think they have the skills to make a much better case than what I would be able to put together. But because Jake and I were smart enough to allocate enough of our time

to actually planning our folds and planning our case we came out ahead of their kind of yolo approach whereas if you give them more time and they know that they can plan i think alex and i forget who was on alex's team uh but i think that they would be able to beat us but i'm super down i'm super down for a rematch and the video performed well so that's always a good sign for getting another uh getting a sequel to it next question here is from bryce are there any weird or random requests they can think of from sponsors hard mode d brand doesn't count weird requests i mean fractal back in the day used to do some really weird stuff. They had me get pied in the face.

Um, weird requests from sponsors. I, most, most sponsors are not that outside the box thinking, to be honest with you. And I'd be, Bell,

you worked on the business team. Like, can you think of anything? It's mostly dbrand, but I love the wholesome. Is it c sonic that just does a merry christmas there's no talking points or anything it's just yeah we've done that a couple say merry christmas uh but yeah most i mean they want to make sure you know what the

product is which means that you're pretty limited on how weird things can get uh but i did like dbrand's recent one of etching in the ipad shortlinus.com so we have an etched ipad that is will always say shortlinus.com oh good that's helpful uh question here from anon uh hi linus are you gonna make sure your kid's not a touch type on a similar note how do you feel about younger generations maybe being less digitally literate? My son already touched types. My eldest daughter is already learning. They do type in class in school, so theoretically I shouldn't really have to intervene.

I mean, realistically, they're both picking it up for the same reasons that I did, gaming. They love Minecraft, and you just, you can't look away from the screen, so you better learn to touch type. That's the bottom line. Yeah, so they at least know where Wasat is and that is important.

Okay, so this was a question for Luke, but it'd be interesting to hear your answer. This is from Jesse. If the roles had been reversed back in the day and Luke was the higher up, would he have hired you for Luke Tech Tips? I think I'm pretty good. I think I'm pretty good at what I do. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I don't know. Well, maybe we might have to ask him again next week. But

yeah, I think he would. My skills complement his pretty well he's thinking about it uh questioning for matthew what's going on with video aspect ratios these days some traditional tv shows netflix shows and youtube channels including ltt or an 18 by 9 it seems objectively worse over 11 of my screen is now blank why the change ah that's a good question we went from 16 by 9 to 18 by 9 also known as 2 to 1 a few years back i think quite a while and the rationale behind it was that our viewership had gone to predominantly mobile and mobile devices were starting to ship in these aspect ratios that were much wider than 16 by 9. Like you can't find a 16 by 9 smartphone anymore, pretty much.

So with that in mind, now that we had these long devices, if the majority of our audience was going to be watching on mobile, we didn't want to leave them with just giant black pillars on either side of their screen. However, if we went all the way to the, you know, there are some smartphones that have super, super tall displays. So if we went all the way widescreen, you know, almost like a cinema aspect ratio, well, then that would leave really, really thick black bars on our desktop viewers screens. So we ended up going with what we felt was a happy medium two to one, which leaves small black bars on a desktop monitor and small black pillars on the majority of smartphones. Question here from Brad. Howdy from Texasas would you ever consider going on hot ones

how are you with spicy foods in general i'm all right with spicy food um i generally don't eat super super spicy food because uh my mouth likes it but the other parts of me are not as into it um as for would i consider going on hot ones i mean it's one of those things where there's nothing to consider if um i haven't been invited so i don't know maybe sure or maybe not or oh hold on i don't want to i don't want to say that like i'm putting them on the spot maybe they maybe they did invite me at some point let's put them on the spot sean evans hit us up whoa whoa hold. No, let's put them on the spot. Sean Evans, hit us up. Whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Just a second. I might have been invited at some point. Oh, come on. I swear, Gmail search just keeps getting worse. Oh, yeah, hold on. Oh, on oh no wait this is from workcation we did our own hot ones thing uh blah blah blah okay no i don't think yeah no i don't i don't think i've been invited to hot ones so there it's uh oh oh you know what i did find is my favorite tweet of all time though this is my favorite tweet of all time, though. This is my favorite tweet of all time. Twitter is the only place where well-articulated sentences still get misinterpreted. You can say, I like pancakes, and somebody will say, so you hate waffles?

No, that's a whole new sentence. What the is you talking about? I love it. It's the entire platform in a nutshell 100 my favorite tweet of all time and it was uh when i was talking about something on the wan show and people whole different thing i think was the paintball conversation it's the best all right uh next question from anon while gaming using multiple monitors do you require significantly more vram is there a rule of thumb for how much vram works for the works best for a given

resolution um no and no there can be buggy behavior when you're gaming with multiple monitors attached to your gpu i've seen everything from like standby not working properly to lower performance uh but theoretically no it should only be the game assets that are being loaded into vram that is um taking it up and as for how much works at a given resolution well it depends on the uh the size of the quality of the textures question here from lucas how are your airpods pros twos holding up would you still recommend them to android users great um i mean i don't know that i recommend them to android users there's absolutely problems using airpods on android like it's you know not having first party battery monitoring and stuff like that like it's just a guess when i put them in my ears

whether they're charged or not. So I just have to stay on top of it. Otherwise I'll just, I'll go and put them in the ears. Oh, they're dead. Great. This is fantastic. They're the world's most expensive earplugs, right? So I still like them

and I haven't found a complete replacement for them. I found things that do certain aspects of what I love about the AirPods as well or better, but I have yet to find something that completely replaces the AirPods for me. Yeah, AirPods are pretty great, but I use iPhone, so I'm biased. Question here from Patrick. With the move towards all electric cars, is there any real fear of them becoming a massive amount of e-waste with the cost of replacing a battery later in the car's lifespan? Absolutely. I mean, that's one of the biggest challenges that faces the electric car industry. And you hear a lot of people talk about,

well, the batteries are recyclable. Are they though at the scale that we need them to be recyclable? At what efficiency rate? Who's actually working on this? Is it commercially viable? There's still a lot of questions about electric car battery recycling and repurposing. And yeah, it's a huge concern. It's one of the things I love about the Chevy Volt so much. Man, I think it's so stupid they discontinued that car.

It is a technological marvel. It's so cool. And while it is sort of the worst of both worlds in that it has it gives up the reliability of an all-electric car like the simplicity of an all-electric car and also you know gives up the the cost benefit of uh of um an internal combustion engine car because it has to be loaded with electric motors and like a whole, you know, battery pack and stuff. It also has the benefits of both worlds. I do the vast majority of my driving

on this much smaller battery that required far less lithium to be mined. And if I do need to go far, turn on the gas powered generator and off I go. Can hardly tell the difference when I'm operating it. I think that plug-in hybrids a they weren't marketed very well in the first place particularly by Chevy's dealer network and be a lot of them gave that label a bad name because plug-in hybrids like the Prius

Prime that only have like 30 kilometers, 40 kilometers of range at best. Um, they're not useful in the same way that the Volt is. It'll do like 70 to 90 kilometers on battery. That's outstanding. That's to, and from even a pretty substantial commute. Um, so you're, you're actually not using gas. And so I'm, it's very frustrating to me that that category of vehicles just kind of was underappreciated for so long that the Volt got killed when it could have been

a great solution to burning far less fossil fuels, but also mining far less lithium. Yeah, and there's still decent ways of recycling car batteries, but I mean, at this point we don't have a ton of aged EV batteries to do a bunch of testing on and a lot of it's expensive and will it actually be recycled? They're all questions that haven't been answered yet. Yep. Next question here is from crispy umbrella. Do you have any thoughts on Mastodon as a decentralized Twitter alternative? I saw you guys talking about it earlier. And the reason that I didn't really get into it is because I haven't looked into it. It seems like on the surface, there could be a lot of really cool things about it. I've seen it described as kind of the Linux of social platforms. So there are some things that are a little arcane, a little difficult to navigate or a little unintuitive,

but it's not something that I have actually invested any time in. That's something that you'll see from me. It's pretty normal when it comes to new platforms to sort of put your brand on. I tend to be extremely slow moving. Like I never invested any time in Vine or Periscope. That worked out great for me.

Pretty much everything I've picked historically has gone on for a very, very long time. And so I'm just, I'm in wait and see mode. We might try to have a presence on Mastodon at some point, but that might not happen until Twitter actually implodes. With that said, Twitter might implode a lot faster than I thought it was going to. So we'll see.

We have a lot of questions about merch. So I'm going to kind of generalize a lot of them. Do you have any updates on any fun merch products you want to share or spoil there's people asking about windbreakers or sun shirts uh we have a windbreaker coming um the the the oh oh the uv hoodie so the uv blocking hoodie is amazing okay i took our first like our first sample prototype on my trip to hawaii and it rocked like so breathable the lightest breeze goes right through it but it keeps the sun off um so it helped me avoid getting

never mind burned I barely even tanned while I was there uh so it was awesome for that and I went swimming in it not one not two not three but four. And it still didn't stink because it's using like, like it's got bamboo in the fabric, which has really great antimicrobial properties and stuff like that. So. You swam in a jacket? Well, I was, I was wearing it when I just like would like go wading in the ocean with the kids. We went parasailing and they dipped us at the end and I was wearing it during that like like it just it got wet uh four times once was rain once wasn't swimming uh but

it got wet four times and i still like picked it up and like this is wearable this is amazing i'm super stoked yeah that is uh not what i expected that to end with but you know it's good to know this is a hoodie or jackie you can swim in well that's not the point uh question here from anon has a team ever considered benchmarking vr games like half-life alex or medal of honor i think vr has a lot of potential in the hopefully not too long future and having performance data on it would be quite interesting. It's something we do want to look into and learn about, but it's something that is very, very, very challenging. Pretty much every VR game that I'm aware of dynamically scales its quality depending on the performance of your GPU.

So then if you can't fix the load, right, the game, the demandingness of the game, how can you possibly measure the relative performance of the hardware running it? So that's one of the reasons that VR benchmarking is pretty much not a thing. Nobody really does it because you can't compare it unless you're using machine vision to compare the relative downgrading of the quality. Next question here is from Anon. What is your opinion on employee monitoring software? I would like to imagine that we would never feel like we needed something like that. I think if you have an employee that you feel like you need to monitor that closely, then a better place for them might be another company. anyone to be here. You know, like I only want people here who want to be here. So if they are not wanting to be here enough that their performance is a problem to the point where

we have to put big brother software on their computer, then I think that they might just, it might just be time for them to move on. Next question here is from Hollis. How many countries have you been to? I don't know. i i could i could try and list them but that would be extremely boring content at least 10 okay sure i'll try canada usa mexico haven't been anywhere in south america yet i have not touched the south american continent uh but we'll move over to Asia, where I've been to Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei, Thailand, China, Japan, Taiwan. Yeah, you saw it. Then if we move over to Europe I have been to France

Germany the UK never Spain Belgium is Luxembourg a country? I don't think so oh italy greece so we're at 21 now i think vatican city i think is technically a country though city state so i've been there so it's 22 um i think that's it 22 i've I've never set foot in Africa, never set foot in Australia.

I think Luxembourg is a country everyone's making fun of the Canadian education system now. Well, I thought it was. You told me no. I need to go, clearly. I actually don't think I've ever been to Luxembourg anyway.

I can't remember. Oh, did I say Belgium though? I've been to Belgium. Country country so nice he named it twice rip luxembourg is a country oh wait yeah i've been to korea sorry yep yep been to korea as well south korea not north korea i saw north korea i i saw the fence looked looked out upon north k. Oh, Israel. Forgot about Israel. Yes, been to Israel as well. Man, you guys know better than me.

No, I did not go to DreamHack Sweden. Apparently our green screen worked even better than I thought. No, that was nonsense. I was not there. I was on a green screen. Oh, that's hilarious. I've been to Texas. Well, what? They think of themselves as their own country, right? Yeah. Then I guess you've been to Alberta too. Yeah, I've been to Texas. Well, what?

They think of themselves as their own country, right? Yeah. Then I guess you've been to Alberta too. Yeah, I've been to Alberta. Yeah, people are making jokes already in floatplane chat. Been to Quebec. Yeah, yeah. I've been to Quebec too.

Yeah, so I guess about 25. About 25. That's a lot of countries. Yeah, that's pretty good, right? I think I'm doing pretty good. I don't know how many countries there are, but I'm sure That's a lot of countries. Yeah, that's pretty good, right? I think I'm doing pretty good. I don't know how many countries there are, but I'm sure that's a lot of them. The thing, though, is I have hardly seen any of it. Like, it's typically airport to hotel to shoot, to hotel to airport to leave.

Like, when I went to Germany one time, I forget what the actual number was, but it was obscene. Like from my doorstep back to my doorstep, including a video shoot while I was gone. It was something like 56 hours or something like that. And when you consider how much of that is on the plane and sleeping and working, like it was madness. Absolute madness. That was one of my tightest ones i'd have to go back and i'd have to go back and like find my ticket to germany or something like that but it was ridiculous absolutely ridiculous all right next one here if you had to work for a big tech company, which would you choose?

Man, I don't know if I could work for anybody anymore. I realized this watching a behind the scenes on float plane. Did you watch the one with the, for the intro to the Star Forge systems build? With the Escalade? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I was watching that nobody nobody really called me on it or or criticized it or anything like that but i was watching it and what i realized is i ask a lot less these days than i used to and i tell a lot more and i'm you know i'm not gonna i'm not gonna apologize for it it's it's part of

it's part of managing a team of people and getting things done but i i i definitely tend to say okay you over there you over there do that let's go like i and and i think part of that is just being a busy person and having to get things done and i'm it's not like i i don't i don't think you know i was just i was watching myself from kind of like an outside perspective. Right. And I, I didn't think I was rude or disrespectful or anything like that, but I have definitely grown accustomed to being in charge and I just don't know how I, I don't know how I would handle it anymore. Um, I think that, I think that it could be really cool. I don't think I would like to work in total secrecy.

I think the way that Apple obfuscates what people are working on is super uncool. I don't really understand why people tolerate that. Because the only reason for Apple to do that is so that they can hide away that you work at Apple and the cool stuff that you're doing so that you're not as poachable, which is like, you just about the only response I can think of to that. There's there's definitely more transparent companies. I think some of the skunk work stuff that they do at a place like Google is pretty sick. Like what are the other big tech companies? I would have absolutely nothing to contribute

to someone like a Netflix. I have no traditional production experience. Fang, Facebook, I don't see how I would. Well, even if you lower the stakes to like Asus, EVGA. Oh, oh, like IT. You know, I think it'd be kind of fun to work for Silverstone. That's a company that does a lot of cool stuff,

but has absolutely no idea whatsoever how to market themselves themselves. And I think that I could be really good in a role like that. Um, yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. Silverstone. Yeah. Silverstone is pretty chill. I feel like we're almost big tech now. We're almost there. We're not 80 people, not 8 000 people give it a year or two you know what that project i did down at super micro was really fun they seem pretty cool uh next question here is from tristan what sites or services do you miss from years past that aren't around anymore like vine Vine with Twitter? Oh, man.

I talked about this in my Metaverse Quest Pro video. The Palace. I actually had the founder of The Palace reach out on Twitter. Confirmed that there is no VR Palace coming, but The Palace was basically Habbo Hotel before Habbo Hotel was a thing. It's kind of like a graphical uh irc graphical chat room and it had a lot of the same features that like a metaverse vr chat

style thing might have where you can only talk to people who are near you so you could whisper to each other you could broadcast to a small group around you so you would actually like move around in rooms to be near people who are talking about the same things you might want to talk about uh but yeah i spent a ton of my ton of my youth on the palace msn messenger is another huge one i don't know what it was i i would use it again today it's just it's so much better than a lot of the chat apps that we have now. And it was so far ahead of its time. Like the ability to, even the ability to turn on a webcam, like have video in your chat was like really cool at the time.

There might've been something that did it first, but MSN did it pretty well. There's a super, man, when you used to be able to have like custom animated, I guess they would be emoticons, not emojis, or which one's which, I can never remember. But the point is there was this super cool one I guess they would be emoticons, not emojis. Which one's which? I can never remember. But the point is there was this super cool one that was like a little smiley face

and an unsuspecting pink smiley face. And he comes up and he goes like this and then gives it a hug. And then there's like a little heart. Like there was just like really fun ways to express yourself that, you know, there are really fun ways to express yourselves now. Like you couldn send each other gifs back in the day uh but maybe you could actually trying to remember uh but it had fun ways to express yourself that i feel like if you

brought them back uh might seem innovative and seem novel today yeah i miss nudging people just shaking that window violently yeah like hey like, hey, are you still there? And just abusing that whenever possible. Yeah, and then they turned on the ability to disable nudges. Like it just, man, it was so feature complete. The ability to go offline mode, offline to certain people. Pure offline was amazing. Like, man, I remember when, pure offline was such an innovation.

Okay, emoticons are made of letters or symbols. Emoji are the ones that are little pictures, but it's animated. Animated emojis, so whatever that meant. Yeah, it's like pre-Discord. You could upload your own. Yeah, it was cool. Yeah, it was awesome, man.

I would use the crap out of just them bringing back MSN Messenger. My choice with no further explanation is just toontown bring back toontown toontown the like disney mmo isn't that still a thing well there was i think they got cease and desist because they like it was i can't remember they called it but it was like a revamped one no toontown rewritten hold on a second oh looks like you're new here. I want to leave. What a choice. I want to leave.

Toontown is completely free. Oh, wow. So they actually, they didn't get a cease and desist. That's amazing. Wait. Oh. Go to Disney.com. Did you click I want to leave? What? Yeah, it sounds good. Disney's Toontown Online created using publicly available downloads and information.

You understand it is not affiliated with the Walt Disney Company or Disney It sounds good. Disney's Toontown Online created using publicly available downloads and information. You understand it is not affiliated with the Walt Disney Company or Disney Interactive Group. Sure. Okay. Toontown rewritten. Wow. Here it is. That's amazing.

I remember throwing pies at people. Like it was a great game. Oh man, I never played it. Just walking around. There was a really cool tank game that I've talked about on WAN Show show before but no one's ever been able to tell me what it was called uh but it was like a top-down tank game that you would spawn in completely like fresh it had permadeath which was really cool so you would come in and uh i forget if it was like mouse-based movement but going from one area to another was like a complete sort of reload. So you would go to the edge of the screen

and you would go, you would appear at the bottom of like the next screen and you would level up by defeating other tanks and get more and more powerful. But death was permanent. So if you were like leveled up

to level four or whatever and walked into two level threes that messed you up that was it you were dead and i just don't remember what it was called tank trouble people are saying no it was not called tank trouble for sure um was it just called tanks it was just tanks the flash game hold on are you able to google that just google tank flash game um scorched earth Are you able to Google that? Just Google tank flash game? Scorched earth?

No. No, it wasn't pocket tanks. No, pocket tanks is side view. It was top down. I don't see. I don't think it's tanks. I don't see anything here that looks like the right thing. Oh, no. Tanki Online.

I would say the closest looking thing that I've seen so far, this is apparently called World of Tanks for Sega Genesis, but the tanks looked more cartoony. So that's definitely not it. It was not 3D like this. It was very, very very 2d yeah i just i've i've never been able to find it again i swear it was pretty big like lots of people were playing it so i don't really i don't really know why it's so hard to find no it wasn't on we guys it's a browser game it was on pc

yeah a lot of people remember it but just don't know the name oh really yeah a lot of people are saying I remember and they're trying to trying to name it yeah I just completely don't remember what it was called like it was kind of like this but that's definitely not it

the tanks were more kind of like I think they were like more rounded looking like kind of cartoony. I know that when you shot, when you shot at people, it was like there was like a cool down. Like it wasn't just however fast you could press the space bar or whatever.

Bubble tanks, is that it? What's bubble tanks? No, no, no, no, no, no, not even. Yeah, not even close. No wrong answers except for that one that's a bolo tank game that doesn't sound familiar um battle city no no it's nothing like that it was 2d it was a web game guys it was a web game yeah i don't know it's so frustrating like it's it seems to have completely disappeared from our collective consciousness like doesn't exist anymore battle city no nope it was uh browser-based guys browser-based it's not how many tank games are are? This is wild. I know, right?

Humans love tanks. Don't they? No, not this. Yeah, it's none of these. Someone suggested a mini golf game. I don't think that's it. Yeah, I really don't think that's it. Pocket Tanks is super cool.

That is another game that I really enjoyed. Yvonne and I used to play that all the time. Just like having like a do nothing day. Just like playing pocket tanks. Was it on Penny Arcade? No, I don't think so. Tank tips? I wouldn't know though.

I didn't really like follow them closely or anything. This is PS2. That's not a good start. Battle tank shots. You can destroy a game. Well game well no this says ps2 yeah no guys seek and destroy oh did I already search for this one

no not seek and destroy man we are not gonna we're not gonna find this tank cannons are you guys just making things up someone said try bing that's probably the it's the google suppression yeah you know it's actually not a terrible idea because sometimes it's not like suppression but google just ends up in like uh hey this is the most likely thing so uh all right let's go

uh top down browser tank game early 2000s okay there let's give this as much help an old 3d flash game was probably but from what i remember is a 3d tank game where you needed to take consumable hold on a second where you needed to take consumable ammo shield health speed damage buff and your tank changed color depending on what you had basic tank shell and artillery sort of direct it online game with no bots at all you had rank and depending on okay this the game was 100 multiplayer online on a web browser i think this person is looking for the same game oh no they say it was a realistic looking game no uh oh no no it wasn't yeah no it wasn't three-dimensional nope never mind they're probably looking for a different thing oh well that was worth a shot okay let's go back to bing

uh let's uh let's see images what are the odds here no i don't see it it's not battle city no no no yeah i i think i've given up i don't think i am ever going to find this which is just wild to me because i know a lot of other people played it because i would go on any time night or day and it would be absolutely full of people playing okay this looks it could be is it tank pit i don't think so that doesn't sound familiar in one word tank pit the graphics i mean it just looks older kind of scrolly tank pit hold on wait is this it this might be it This might be it. Is it Tank Pit?

Multiplayer tank game. Okay, can I please see a higher... Can I please see a bigger image? Hello? Oh, that's got an imager gallery. Hold on. Did we find it? Is it a jackal? Jackal?

Is it a jackal? I think this is it yes wow shout out chat who who got it a lot of people commented at once i'm not sure i think the first one i saw was from washi this is hilarious yeah this is totally it um an old game back to reality wait a second is it back can you actually play it oh this this site's going down let me tell you oh don't be like that don't be like that it's gonna get hugged don't be like that okay we're definitely going purple no way oh yeah this is totally it this is a double shot this is a missile oh okay i guess i'm not impressing you guys if it says right here but yes whoa whoa whoa hey buddy people

buddy yo let's go i even got like chat there the little auto like to be right there basis here blow up mines okay how long do you have to wait to move? It's like kind of turn-based, I think. Yeah. Okay, am I, is this even like accepting? Okay, all you guys are- Yeah, I think it's gonna get- Jumping into tank pit here. Extend view W.

Hold on, what is happening here? Game is full, people are saying. Oh, seriously? Oh, that's hilarious. Okay, what's scope? Scope? Okay, I have no idea what's going on. Oh, hey, this guy. Oh, jerk.

Okay, okay, mouse movement. Waiting for move. Yeah, okay. Yeah, it's kind of turn-based. This is crazy! We finally found it! Okay, I think I can blow up that mine. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

See you later, mine. Boom. Got him. Tip. Missile shots can fly over rocks. Okay, I think those yellow things are fuel. Okay, double shot. Boom.

Wow, I am so proud of this community missile shot together and we found this that is beautiful did that did that actually missile shot i can't tell what's the yellow one do a homing shot tanky hit you take you hit you again tanky is destroying you right now yeah tanky is um tanky op better than me okay what if we move can we we move? Oh, waiting for move Oh yeah, he missed, see you later buddy Now let's move again, boom, what are you gonna do? Oh yeah, got him Boom! I have no idea how much health he has, so

At least do some low damage Did I move or not? Oh, waiting for move Yeah, I think I'm about to get noob-pwned here Oh, come on. It's not registering my clicks. It's not registering my clicks. Come on, let's get him, get him.

Oh, oh no. This red guy showed up. Ah! All right. Hey, thank you so much, guys. I'm going to spend some time reliving my childhood over there, all right? Wow. Awesome.

spend some time reliving my childhood over there. Right. Wow. Awesome. Um, okay. I guess we got some more merch messages to get through here. We sure do. That one took a minute.

Uh, question here from Adon. Do you think we'll see a video around the recently launched more threads video cards? If you can get your hands on them, more threads. I do not know what you're talking about. Yeah.

I looked it up. It is kind of interesting. More threads. I do not know what you're talking about. Yeah, I looked it up. It is kind of interesting. More threads. Hello. Hello. Infinite power to power the infinity. Wow. That's a catchphrase.

I mean, yeah, if I can get my hands on it, I'd love to, but we've had a heck of a time getting our hands on weird weird Chinese GPUs and just like weird Chinese tech in general in the past. PCIe Gen 5? What am I even looking at here? 16 gigs GDDR6? I mean, theoretically, this is like, okay. I mean, yeah, I'll send this over to Andy. If we can get something from China, Andy's usually my guy.

Next one here from PZ. Can you give some more relationship advice? I remember mentioning that you and your wife commit not to go into bed angry or sad, and it was really helpful. Oh, man, that's tough. Hold on, I gotta send this to Andy real quick. Yeah, you can't send Andy a message and think of that. I don't know. You kind of put me on the spot here. If you're asking something specific, then I'd be happy to, but it's not like we have all the answers.

I think that, I don't know, I had a really good bit of advice for someone recently, so maybe I'll just reiterate that one. Buddy was asking, like, my wife or SO or whatever always insists that I not buy her stuff, but, you know, I really like giving gifts. So like, what should I buy her? And I was like, you should listen to her.

And they followed me, followed up with me later. They were like, that was really good advice. And I was like, yeah. So that's a good one. Listen to your wife. Yeah. That's a good tip. Yeah to your wife. Yeah. That's a good tip. Yeah.

Yeah, for real though. You know, a lot of what people need in a relationship, they're telling you, you know? You just gotta, you gotta engage with people on their own terms. At the funniest exchange with Luke the other day, I saw a notification for like his birthday and it's less than a year away. And I was like, yo, I saw your birthday. Happy birthday. Cause like, I'm probably

going to forget on the day I didn't get you anything. And he's like, thanks bro. Cause that works for us. Neither of us likes the pressure of reciprocating gifts so it's so much better if we just don't get each other anything um so yeah it's just it's all about different different rules for everyone totally question here from greg what's a bad habit you didn't know you had till avon broke the bad news to you or somebody close to you. Or somebody close to you. Man.

Bad habit. I mean, yeah, I'm like, I didn't realize. No, I pretty much knew that I was an idiot. I'm not saying that that makes me some kind of genius or that there was nothing wrong. Um, I'm not, like, I'm not saying that like, that makes me some kind of like genius or that there, you know, there was nothing wrong with me or anything. It's just like, no, I like was pretty aware that I was not super functional,

especially back when she met me. Um, yeah, sorry. I got nothing. Linus, you're just so aware. We,

that's what we love about you, right? Yeah. I'm not two wares. I'm just one ware. I'm a ware. Question here from Merrick. Do you think that if everybody had somehow

forgotten about LTT or the channel disappeared, you could build up another YouTube channel to the size that LTT is now? I've wondered that a lot. I think it would be a really fun challenge. I know there was another big YouTuber who did it not that long ago, or streamer or like that did ludwig do it there you go there you go it must have been him uh but it's like it's impossible it's impossible to actually attempt it

like here's an example super micro uploaded the videos that i filmed for them while i was down there last week two weeks ago i don't remember when i was there while I was down there last week, two weeks ago, I don't remember when I was there, but I was down there at some point, they uploaded these videos to their channel and just having, you know, me in the thumbnail, these videos are all doing way more views than, you know, anything else that they upload other than the videos that they pay to run as ads. So even like, I'd have to not put myself in the thumbnail, but then if I was in the video, so maybe if I tried to do like a, like a faceless channel, like a behind the camera channel or something like that. Yeah,

I could, I could try to do it, but I think that a lot of what makes me successful is that engage, that direct engagement with the audience. So I, I think I'd be kind of, I'd be handicapping myself in a way that might make it impossible for me. Like I'm not an algorithm guru. I'm just really excited about what I'm talking about. And that works really well. So I think it'd be tough for me. I think it'd be really tough. I have some good ideas outside of tech that I think I could probably crush it with. But they are very time consuming ideas that I wouldn't really be able to pursue as long as I'm running Linus Media Group. Yeah, YouTube is hard. I know other creators like Danny Gonzalez has tried to hide his face or mask his voice and go viral on TikTok and everything like that. But like you said, people just

immediately recognize you and you start bouncing back. So good luck to the people who are just starting now. Question from a couple of different people, Alexander and Eric, I have here, asking about your thoughts on the direction of infotainment systems in cars with the high techification and leaning away from just pure information and specs about your car to having a lot of information on your screen. Honestly, I feel you're as qualified to answer this as I am. I mean, as a normal kind of guy, I think it's super interesting. But as somebody who likes to pay attention to the road, there's a lot that's demanding your attention now. My current car has gauges and sync three from Ford is horrendous. So I don't want to look at that screen anyways. So I have

to pay attention to the road, but I couldn't imagine if I have a map, I have to look over to change my windshield wiper, to change the air temperature in a Tesla. It has like a map of your car that to drag, like that's too complicated now. I can't imagine that you're really fully focused on your car when all that's going on, but hopefully Apple and Google really pushing Android Auto and Apple CarPlay to be the full custom car infotainment system. It'll help reduce some of that when it's more standard across all vehicles. But I mean, those are both probably years away. Yeah. I don't know. I get really frustrated. Like, yeah, the only thing I want to engage with in my car is Android Auto. Other than that i just you know i've got the volt right

so i've just got a dial for you know fan and our button for where the fan comes out and a dial for how hot it is there's a button on my steering wheel for my heated steering wheel button for my heated seat i think those are about the only things I ever actually engaged with. For me, I would say the padded environment sort of approach that's taken to infotainment is very frustrating. If there's one thing that I think Tesla understands really well, it's that you're far better off

with the very limited amount of distraction from typing the first three characters of something and clicking what it auto-completes compared to fighting with voice input. And the way that Android Auto has more and more forcibly pushed voice interaction over the last few years has been extraordinarily frustrating to me.

Like the distracted that I get from entering a voice input three or four times, having it either go to the wrong place or not hear me correctly. And then all of a sudden, now, oh man, it's getting real complicated because like Waze, for example, won't even open on your phone screen if you have, and they're owned by Google, for those of you who don't know, this is definitely a Google problem, but it won't even open on your phone if you have it plugged into your car, which is really stupid

because sometimes I'm in the passenger seat and I just want to just f***ing key something in because it's way better and way faster, but I can't at all. So I have to unplug it, it type something in plug it back in open the app it is so many steps and it is so distracting compared to if i could just beep beep boom while i'm at a red light or at the end of my driveway or wherever it is that i happen to be that would be way way better um yeah that, that's, I think,

my biggest frustration. Tayback says, don't pretend you don't use every setting on the variable wiper speed. Yeah, yeah, I do. But it's right on the stock, so it doesn't, I don't even have to look to use it.

It's just right there. Yeah, you should have tried the Lucid Air. Like, it was, the software was honestly horrendous. Like, the screen is supposed to lift so you can put stuff in between it and, like, the gap in the kind of center console wouldn't work. horrendous like the screen uh is supposed to lift so you can put stuff in between it and like the the gap in the kind of center console wouldn't work backseat stuff screen wouldn't turn on

uh all the features were like disabled uh if you haven't watched that short circuit i mean you should subscribe and you should watch that video uh but it it shows that software can ruin a very very nice vehicle. Next question here is from Alejandro. Been watching since Anthony broke the iMac. Have you considered a video where a real hacker shows how much control and info someone can access? Smart home, computer, et cetera. Maybe sponsored by someone who can prevent such attacks.

Everyone we've ever talked to about, you know, talked to about, you know, intentionally hacking or infecting anything here has has never really been willing to do it. And I think there's kind of like a code of ethics that they're following that prevents them from doing that. And I respect that. But yeah, I think it could be it could be good content. Lee tween asks any update on the Porsche order. Yvonne and I are still working that out. I was getting one then I wasn't then it was then it wasn't then it was and it wasn't. I think right now we're on was but she's never actually driven it. So I think she should try driving it first and if she doesn't like it then i'm just not going to get it because there's no point having a car in the garage that only one of us wants to drive that's stupid yeah is she interested in cars is there

an electric vehicle that she's been like i would like that not even a little her favorite car to drive is our minivan she's like yeah you know props to honda the odyssey is a great vehicle but like um next question here with how the given state of the internet is oh boy they say cesspool what do you think a good internet looks like? That question's from Robert. I don't think there is a good internet. I think the internet is a reflection of the people using it, and people are complicated. Enjoy your sweatpants.

I guess since these are potential rather than curated ones i might as well read them yeah it's like i don't know which ones you uh have or haven't answered over the last few weeks or yeah no i haven't tried the sleep buds too i probably should um thanks for the question uh pwn intended uh judiah c uh got the same epson theater projector that i have and have been running into an issue. When the input switches HDR modes, it goes blank for 15 or so seconds. This can be annoying as the Xbox menu is in HDR. Have you run into this? Yes, it's a thing. I have no idea if they have any plans to fix it. But yes, it's annoying. It doesn't bother me much because I don't really

game on in that room yet. But yeah, you're right. It's annoying. 100%. Marcus M. Other than having great service when customs fail, what are you doing or want to do to improve the LTT store experience for European customers? In the long term, we want to DC there, a distribution center. There is no timeline for that. I'm sorry. It's really complicated. People keep saying it can't be that complicated. No, it really, really can. Like having a physical presence in a different country is really complicated from a logistical standpoint, from a cost standpoint, and from a taxation and compliance standpoint. There are so many more I's we need to dot and T's we need to cross and lawyers we need

to pay in order to make sure that we're doing things properly. And people will point at, you know, others who are able to do it just fine and it's clearly easy, but it is not. It is actually not easy. One of the things that, as far as we can tell, we're the only ones doing properly, for example, is tax remittance for orders from LTT store. So even the tax software that we use, we are frequently reporting bugs and problems. We've had issues with Google having features that aren't supported properly by our tax platform. And we're kind of sitting here going, well, other people should have run into this. There's other people clearly using these features in the same country as us selling to the same countries that we are. So they must

just the only answer is they must just not be remitting taxes properly. But we do not want to get audited five years, 10 years from now and find out that we owe $10 million in sales taxes, because what happens is if we don't bill you guys for it, but a government comes knocking on our door saying, hey, you owe us taxes for this. Well, we can't go back to you for it. We have to then pay it. That could break us, right? So we try to do things properly. And yeah, if we didn't do things properly, for sure, nothing would prevent us from just, like, renting a warehouse, like, shipping stuff. But that's not how we do things. And so we're just not set up for it.

Yeah, a lot of people asking about a third party, a middleman, a reseller. No, as soon as our inventory is there, we have a presence. Even selling on Amazon can be very complicated if you want to do it properly. there we have a presence even selling on amazon can be very complicated if you want to do it properly and we're not some like random fly by night from wherever a stand that will just be like okay well forget it we'll just fold up and we'll start up a new one and blah blah blah what are they going Like we're in a place where I can be litigated, right? Like, no. Right. So when is the Luke plushie or shirt quotes coming? Favorite quote so far from Luke is that's not interesting.

Let's move on. What's yours? Oh, gotta be comb it with a brick. I forget why he said that. It was the most nonsensical thing I've ever heard anyone say ever. What does comb it with a brick mean? I don't know. But I loved it.

I loved it. Any thoughts on cases that LTT could design for full, that could be built DIY? I just don't feel like we have anything to contribute to the case market right now. So we don't really have much interest in pursuing that. John asks, Linus, are you ever going to do GPU streaming to Steam Deck video? No, I don't think that merits being the focus of a full video.

It's pretty good from my experience with it, but I don't really, yeah, I don't really have much else to say about that. Anonymous asks, are you going to talk about the new AMD Epic line of processor and the videos that you did with Supermicro? Oh, okay. I ended up talking about it in the meantime. Yeah, it was a fun shoot. It was really good. They showed off the entire new lineup of their H13 servers that are going to be for Epic Genoa, up to 96 cores of sockets, freaking wild. PCIe Gen 5, 168 lanes in the single version and 160 lanes in the dps like that is that is that is freaking wild man like you could have what does that even work out to like what's uh what's 160 divided by four over four you could have 40 freaking gen 5 drives running at full tilt in one dual

processor server man yeah love it love it all right is that it that's it this is interesting brina says i was recently at a chemical society meeting where the topic of discussion was nearly fire and explosion-proof lithium-ion batteries. The company that was presenting the information supplies a phone company in Europe that builds hyper-safe cell phones for dangerous workplaces like mines and industrial places.

Would this be something LTT would be interested in covering in a video? Yeah, I think I'd be interested in that. pretty easy to get in touch with. There's a publicly listed email on the channel. So it's a good place to kind of send something like that. If you actually work for that company and you want to, you know, work with us or whatever else, that seems pretty cool. And I think that's pretty much it for the show today. Oh, I promised I'd give you guys an update on whether you guys like hard mode or easy mode puzzles. So let me just get that for you. I'm gonna refresh this.

All right. About 85% of you like hard mode and about a little over 5% of you like hard mode and about a little over 5% of you like each medium mode and very easy mode with the least popular being the 100 piece version.

So there are more fakers and frauds than there are people who will admit that they don't really like a challenge that much. Which is pretty hilarious. Oh man, this is super annoying. The Shopify dashboard hasn't been loading properly for me.

If anyone from Shopify is watching, I do not wish to have this sidebar. I need the sidebar to go away so I can actually interact with the hamburger menu that is loaded behind it here I need that in order to go back but I can't so that's really really really really annoying I basically can't use my dashboard on mobile anymore it started happening in like the last week all right that's it thanks for watching we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad don't push that button remember well you're gonna have to say goodbye for Luke though so bye alright good job