The WAN Show - We Made a Video you guys HATED - WAN Show July 12, 2019

Episode Date: July 15, 2019

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And welcome to the WAD show ladies and gentlemen this is a bit of a tail in between my legs show and I'll be talking about that in a little bit more detail later but we made a video that you guys didn't like very much and I feel like I need to address that. YouTube also rolled out some new stuff new copyright claim system and new monetization efforts, which is cool. And there's some other kind of general, you know, Intel's doing some rumor-y stuff, and Nintendo Switch Lite was announced, and other fun things. Yeah, we've actually got a lot of great topics for you guys today.

Jono did the LAN show document, and, well, he also did it last week, which is part of the reason that we really didn't have anything to talk about last week whoa that's okay because uh i gave him some coaching this week and he checked in with me about the topics ahead of time and i think there's actually some some discussion meeting here uh there's a bit of a a non-controversy which to me in and of itself is kind of controversial. So AMD said that PCI Express Gen 4 would not work on previous generation motherboards. And then ASUS went out and published a list of previous gen boards that it'll work on. And it's a funny thing because I think that AMD fanboys

aren't really going to like my take on this, but my feeling is that if the same thing had happened with Intel, people would be shrieking about it, and now that it's happening with AMD, it's like, oh, that's pretty cool. So let's get to that a little bit later, but first let's go ahead and roll the intro, and we'll chat about these topics in a little bit here. Alright.

okay was it just one go ahead and pop that up there kind of looks like it was just one and back to us okay so um why don't we jump right into the video that we uploaded today. So this is something that I've actually addressed on the WAN show in the past. I'm just going to fire it up on my laptop here. Hopefully my screen sharing is working here. Here we go. Value noise canceling headphones. So there were a couple of things that went wrong today. I'm watching it. You can do this.

Yeah, thank you. Appreciate that. So a couple of things that went wrong today. First of all, the video went up with entirely the wrong title. Okay. Yes, we see that there's a little bit of lag on the YouTube stream. We are now sort of way beyond not having an explanation for it because the entire Wancho PC has been swapped out. CPU, GPU.

Yeah, and we used to be on X264 encoding, and now we're on NVENC. It couldn't actually be any different than it is now. We are back on the old Ethernet cable. Also, the retransmitting server the splitter uh there was like some a little bit of funkery there but that's all been updated and fixed and worked on and was tested for the last half hour on a separate account yeah so it's starting to get to the point where um robert by the way no your super chat is not pre-recorded so it's starting to get to the

point where it's just like not really funny anymore yeah uh we're just gonna have to power through the show here though guys um realistically twitch is probably better uh so you can head over to twitch and watch there we still have no explanation for why that would be yeah uh anyway so i'm gonna go ahead and pull up the video that we did today so this video was called and this was mistake number one It was called why is everybody buying these headphones which was actually just one of those complete Bone headed errors and I'm not gonna throw anyone under the bus But I think we can all guess who it is that usually makes those particularly egregious errors on the channel and never Actually does get fired

because I love him so much. Anyway, someone grabbed the wrong title. I have no idea where it came from. I actually did see that that title was on the pre-release video file, but I didn't really think anything of it. I thought maybe just one of the editors was confused about it and named the file that.

And the file name is not generally anything to do with the actual name of the video once we go live. But somehow it ended up with the name of a series that we run on the channel. Why is everybody buying this X that has never been sponsored before? Whether it's sponsored by the retailer that we got it from or sponsored by the the products that we featured um it has never been sponsored before uh by either of those two parties like third party sponsors sure you know you're savage jerky or whatever the case may be so that created initially a ton of confusion and a ton of upset because all of a sudden we had a sponsored showcase video to see Whatever corner it is right there sponsored by Tao tronics that seemed to be disguised as

Editorial content something that we actually work really hard to not have happen, which is why Thankfully at least at the beginning I actually I'm not. I believe the word showcase was already in there, but it is supposed to be. So if there's a video that is just like, here's information about a product, but it's sponsored by that company or by that product or by somewhere to get it, it is supposed to be clearly displayed

in the title of the video so that you know. And in the video, as it is down in whatever corner, I'm supposed to, oh, it's not even there. That way. My corner, yeah. supposed to, oh, it's not even there. That way. My corner. Sponsored by Tautron. Okay. So that was problem number one that people had with the video.

As soon as Nick was actually the one who spotted it, as soon as Nick saw that the title wasn't right, he had it changed. This is what it was supposed to be. Value noise canceling headphones. Sound Surge 46 showcase. Okay. Oopsie number one. So that one's pretty straightforward whoops our bad the other one is a little bit more difficult to address and i feel like i'm almost gonna have to do a complete video talking about this at some point in the future because there seems to be a lot of confusion in people's minds about the way that we handle our sponsored content so we made

the decision it must have been about a year ago now to start doing what we called showcases which are essentially what most of the rest of the industry that is youtube personalities is doing where essentially there's some product or some service and there's a sponsorship involved and you're basically given a bullet point list of things to say about it so our way of reconciling that because obviously that's not editorial content that's not um you know my opinion um the way that we reconciled that was, okay, here's the deal, audience. We're going to do these, but we're going to do them as extra releases. So you'll notice this video went up on a Friday.

So instead of the Linus Tech Tips channel getting six normal videos plus WAN show for a total of seven, that's one every day, it was actually six normal videos plus this one plus one show So there were a total of eight videos So we didn't want these sponsored showcases the sponsored content to interfere With our regular upload schedule We didn't want you guys to feel like you were getting cheated and you were missing out on an editorial or a project based Piece of content because we had decided to do one of these showcases. So that was number one,

was we didn't want it to affect the volume of content that you guys get that is our usual type. Number two was we wanted to separate our opinion, which cannot be purchased, from airtime on our channel, which cannot be purchased from airtime on our channel which can be purchased. So when I talk about buying airtime, you are in much the same way that you would sponsor a podcast or a radio show, you are paying for the host to read your talking points, be it about Savage Jerky, Ridge Wall elgato stream deck or you know any

number of other other brands and products that have that have sponsored our show yeah i'll share um so the distinction then is you can pay for words to be said but you cannot pay for an opinion. So that's where I feel like people are really allowing the waters to get muddied in their minds between reviews and sponsored videos. So a lot of the complaints about this video, aside from the ones about the title being wrong, and it really was, that was absolutely our mistake and we're sorry that's our bad um a lot of the complaints are that we didn't give an opinion this is this is a you know i could here i'm just gonna i'm gonna scroll down and find something here you know because i'm sure it won't be that hard okay here's one that i pinned because i did respond to him um so what other than the requested sponsored talking points can you give us? Anything of your own?

Or are you just reading off their marketing material? The answer is, I am reading off their marketing material. And when it comes to any other sponsored piece of content, so are they. That's how it works. Anytime I were to give you guys an opinion in a sponsored piece of content. I'm not talking about like Picking it up like so here's a ridge wallet You know, it's made of carbon fiber feels pretty solid. I am demonstrating that it's solid. Yes I'm saying it feels pretty solid to me or whatever, but that is that that is a demonstrable

Objective fact it's it's really well built. That's not really an opinion even though it's being presented in the form of an opinion um and so anytime we are giving an if we were to give opinions in our sponsored content then we create a really awkward and a really dangerous crossover between a review. And that is a word that we use very carefully. A review cannot be sponsored by the subject of the review because there is an inherent, obvious conflict of interest that prevents any information in that review from being taken at its face value. So we keep a review separate from a sponsored showcase because yes, that is exactly what a sponsored video is. Now, some sponsors, in fact, Howtronics was one of them, do allow us to give you guys useful information.

We did mention some of the more negative points of those headphones in the video. And in fact, we've run into this a lot of the time especially brands that wear their their big kid pants and are willing to take criticism will even allow it in a sponsored video but what you guys need to understand is that every brand Tao tronic Cisco Intel AMD Nvidia anyone that we've ever worked with over the years has a say in a sponsored piece of content so anything that is in that finished video and this goes not just for us but any channel that you

watch at least the ones where at least they disclose it any channel you watch that does a sponsored video the brand that sponsored it had a say and if there was something they didn't like it was probably removed depending depending on the contract. I would say with 98% certainty that would have been removed. I mean, there are going to be creators out there that have more power, that have more weight to throw around and say, no, this is my artistic vision, it stays. And we've been able to throw that weight around a fair number of times, but sometimes it doesn't work or the contract isn't favorable or whatever the case may be so clear about it not working just because i feel like this could get misconstrued in some way if it doesn't work the video just doesn't come out it's not like he'll say something that he

strongly doesn't believe in and release the video anyways just he's like well they strong-armed me the video just won't come out and the contract will not be made and that has happened Yeah, like has 100% happened. Yes So Then so you know addressing a few more of the most upvoted comments here because I feel like this is a really important topic Not just on our channel, but in general. It's something that's really important for you guys to understand So why is everyone okay? No yeah, sorry that was about the title it's uh super this is an ad with no actual content wtf yes that's why it says sponsored by tautronics and that's why it says showcase in the title because at the end of the day that's basically

what it is and the wtf is this was an extra piece of content we labeled it with showcase after the fact and i'm really sorry about that we labeled it with showcase if the fact, and I'm really sorry about that. We labeled it with showcase. If you don't want to see it, don't watch it. That really is our stance on them. Something I want to throw in personally as a technically outside person on this is I hadn't watched this at all. Sat here and watched part of it before the show. There are parts of the video where you criticize it. I know you mentioned this earlier.

People are saying there's literally no points that aren't in the sponsor spot there's like no way that's true because they're not going to put in the sponsor spot hey this button is i don't remember exactly how you word it but not great and takes a little bit getting used to that's not going to be in the sponsor spot so like yeah i hear you guys but so this is this is another really great example right here of exactly the mentality that we need to kill. I don't mind sponsored videos, but this was just a four minute ad. There was no review or anything. If it's sponsored, there is no review, period.

That's not how these contracts work. And you don't want them to work that way. No, you don't. You want reviews to be really really clearly separated from anything that is sponsored in a way that could create a conflict of interest absolutely um that's like very important so yeah i mean most of the complaints probably the most blatant clickbait title I've seen. Nobody, not a single soul. Linus, everybody is buying these.

And that's fair, because the original title is crazy. I will throw another defend in that Linus Media Group has published, like, what, thousands of videos at this point. There's going to be oopsies and titles every once in a while. It's still bad. This one is particularly bad. It's still particularly bad. Because it wasn't just, it didn't sort of, it didn't just violate our own standards for what constitutes clickbait. Yeah. It violates our... our editorial standards.

Oh, it's bad. All I'm saying is people will make mistakes. So we're clear that it's bad. Oh, it's bad. It's really bad. But like I wouldn't... and pointing it out, you know what? Solid. Because it needs to be pointed out so that it gets changed etc Etc, etc But like I don't know I'd measure your pitchfork goodness Because it was changed quickly. Oh surprise Luke is defending LMG. Well, no crap. I think it's also very reasonable There was a mistake. They understood it was a mistake. They changed the title these showcase content has been happening forever They understood it was a mistake.

They changed the title. These showcase content has been happening forever. There are legitimate criticisms within a showcase video, which in my opinion is marginally above and beyond. I mean, there were a couple of things that we felt were really important to mention. Like the fact that, you know what? They sound pretty darn good. I'm not being sponsored right now. Say whatever the hell I want.

They sound pretty darn good, but not at full volume. Someone mentioned that in the comments. I hadn't seen that part good, but not at full volume someone mentioned that in the comments And that I hadn't seen that part of the video But yeah, someone mentioned that in twitch chat that you guys said that as well like that's there there was extra stuff added on So we we mentioned the main Drawbacks to them like to be clear. They're fine We wouldn't have taken the deal if we thought they were a bad deal We wouldn't have taken the deal if we thought they were a bad deal.

Also, there's a bunch of content, especially earlier on, where if you watch Linus' videos from quite a long time ago when we used to do more headphone coverage, mostly unboxings, he's mirroring the same comments. These are opinions he's had for a long time. Not that opinions shouldn't be able to change over time, but a lot of the things that you said were not surprising to me because I remember holding a dinky camera and listening to you say the same stuff. Now, I have had people upset, particularly about the fact that I didn't ream on it for having a micro B USB port. So I can explain why that would be. The cost to implement USB Type-C is significantly higher, not just in terms of the actual solder connections, because there are more of them and they're finer, but in terms of the R&D, because it is a more complex standard. By complex standard, I mean it is like many different standards, many of which don't necessarily work properly with each other.

Building a device that charges over USB Type-C is not trivial, and there's a reason that even large companies like Logitech are still shipping gaming mice with USB micro-B connectors. Now, with someone like Logitech, I have less sympathy, because

Luke has personally visited their R&D facilities. I think they can figure out how to put a USB Type-C connector on something. Yeah, they're kind of amazing, actually. With T tautronics given the price point and given the fact that what is a device like this would not have as clear a benefit from type-c as some others would like a mouse in particular now Logitech mitigates this somewhat by putting reinforcements around their type-c connectors at the end of their mice so it doesn't put as much strain on it.

But with a device like a mouse, where you're actually moving it around while it's charging sometimes, there's a clear and obvious reason to use a more durable connector like a Type-C. This is a pair of headphones that you'll probably charge once every few days for a span of a couple years until you lose them or whatever.

So Micro B, yeah, it's not as good, but it doesn't need fast charging over type c like it doesn't need you know 30 watt charging or anything crazy like that um it would be more convenient to not have to carry an extra cable but they are a value option as opposed to a you know 199 or 299 pair of active noise canceling headphones so i was willing to be um i was willing to not ream on it and there's no way again remember this is a sponsored piece of content there's no way i was going to be I was willing to not ream on it and there's no way again remember this is a sponsored piece of content there's no way I was going to be able to ream on it hard because this is a sponsored piece of content so why wasn't it in there because given the context I was willing to not ream on it and I

wouldn't have been able to ream on it anyway. All right. Well, I think that's pretty much all I have to say about that. Yeah. Oh, speaking of all I have to say about that, I ate at Bubba Gump's for the first time ever yesterday. Bubba Gump's? Yeah.

Oh, down in, okay. Yeah, yeah. So I actually, and while I was sitting there, I didn't. Random. Yeah, well, I was down in L.A. for yeah. So I actually, and while I was sitting there, I didn't. Random. Yeah, well, I was down in LA for a meeting that was to do with VidCon, but I wasn't at VidCon because I left before VidCon started. That sounds like the best way to do VidCon. Yeah. Like, hands down.

It was kind of amazing. I had, like, the best meeting ever. I'm so bad with names, and I'm really embarrassed. And so this sucks. But CGP Grey was there. Tom Scott was there. YouTube's head of search and discoverability was there, which was really important. And there were definitely some key insights that this is not the kind of meeting that I can go and like make a YouTube video about and tell you guys all about

but it was it was really good to just be able to have that kind of open discussion around the dinner table um there was uh I think her first name's Rebecca she's absolutely huge she does kids content um I forget her last name Zimoloimolo, something like that. There was a guy who has a really cool channel that's like tips for creators. There was the guy who did the arcade tricks or like arcade cheats or something like that. Arcade hacks, cheats or something what's this what's his name shoot rebecca zamolo yeah yeah that's her so she's it's not the kind of content that i think you folks would necessarily enjoy but um she's super popular. Yeah. Dang it. I can't find him right now. Nobody is helping me in the chat.

Mark Robert. Mark Rober. Mark Rober. He was there. Oh, okay. Arcade scam science. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he was there.

So it was like, honestly, I felt kind of B-list. Honestly, I felt kind of B-list. But I think I got an invite just because I cornered one of their execs at the Top Creator Summit and was, like, asking a bunch of questions. And he was just like, we're thinking of having, like, a dinner. Do you want to come to that and talk to these people directly? So it's really cool. I'm finally getting to the point where we have a real relationship with YouTube. Actually, one of the people who was there got to launch a popular product for the first time in pretty much forever. And that leads really perfectly into one of our topics for today.

So the head of Content ID was actually at dinner. Oh, yeah, this is cool. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so the original article here is from the YouTube creator's blog, and he was really excited about this. So Content ID now requires claimants to provide more information and provides better... There go a bunch of disk plates. to provide more information and provides better...

There go a bunch of disk plates. That's fine. Okay, cool. I mean, hey, that's the benefit of durable aluminum wall hangings. You can trip and throw them all over the floor, and they'll still be okay. They'll still be all right. Are they bent?

No way. Okay, cool. No, no, it's fine. Yeah, it wasn't that bad. It didn't sound that bad. Anyway, so better tools to resolve manual content ID claims So this actually would have solved that drama problem that we had a while back Yeah Where our content ID system through our MCN was claiming anyone's video that had I think it was either

Unigine Valley or Unigine heaven benchmark in it because we had lots of videos with that first, apparently. And then other people uploaded footage and it went, eh, that's Linus Media Group's content. And then they had their video's content ID claimed, which to be clear is not the same thing as a copyright strike. And it's actually no big deal once you get it resolved. There's no long-term lasting damage.

You don't even lose your AdSense. Anyway, now it's way easier to resolve these things so in the past the copyright claim system had been abused and used to extort creators in some cases so manual claiming is a tool within Content ID that allows you to do things like go uh hey youtube's automated system didn't find this six notes of our song and um you know automatically flag it so we're gonna go in we're gonna manually say hey that's from our song we actually had this happen a while back with um a monitor video we had like a meme and it was basically like and like it was really da, da, da. And like, it was really that short.

And the owner of that song came in, they've created their own tools for combing through videos. They came in, they claimed our entire video based on this like six to eight notes of music or whatever it was. And the way that a copyright claim works is that once someone else claims your video,

the video stays up, you lovely folks still get to enjoy it, but all of the money that gets made through AdSense on that video goes to that copyright holder, even if they had nothing to do with 99.5% of the video content. And it was just that. All of the money goes to them,

which is obviously not a perfect system, but I also understand why it was just that. All of the money goes to them which is obviously not a perfect system but I also understand why it would be that way because you know you can't just you can't just grab like you know an iconic song like ACDC Highway to Hell or something and use you know five to ten seconds of it in every one of your videos and expect that that's okay. Because you didn't create that. That's not yours, it doesn't work that way. And you also can't just tell ACDC,

well, hey, these guys put three hours of black frames at the end of their video, which makes you effectively.02% of the content, so here's your.02% of the AdSense here's your 0.02% of the absence. That's not fair either because clearly you, the creator, felt you were significantly enhancing your piece of content by stealing someone else's work or you wouldn't have included it. I mean, in that case, you definitely did.

Sorry, you definitely did what? You put three hours of black frames. Oh, yeah, yeah. You're definitely abusing the system. And you're significantly enhancing your content. Yeah. So anyway, to combat... So this is a move in the creator's direction

after a lot of previous moves that appeared to be designed to help copyright holders enforce their copyright to a degree that I as a YouTuber felt was unfair. We ended up having to edit that video and reupload it without that meme in it because giving someone else all the AdSense from a video that we spend a lot of time and money creating for their couple seconds of music just doesn't make any sense to us. So now, here's what's going on. So content ID can work automatically by scanning a blah, blah, blah. Okay, so, okay, Jono's notes on this are

not amazing. But basically, starting today, and I think that's two days ago, three days ago, they are requiring copyright owners to provide time stamps to indicate exactly where their content appears in the videos that they manually claim which is Nice, this was a big problem start like in that video I watched through the entire video without actually realizing what the problem was all I could see was that it had been claimed by some music conglomerate And I was like, what are you talking about? So I messaged our editor. I went yo WTF what happened here? was that it had been claimed by some music conglomerate. And I was like, what are you talking about?

So I messaged our editor, I went, yo, WTF, what happened here? Aren't we using all, I think we were on Warner Chapel at the time, aren't we using all licensed music that we have rights for? And they go, yeah. And then someone finally clued in, I think it was actually a comment on the video

that alerted us to this that that that meme was from a song like that little portion of it and so so it wasted a bunch of our time when The claimant could have just said hey This is the problem now they don't want to do that because that's not actually the outcome thereafter think about it from their perspective Would they rather have you quickly edit their crap out of your video, or would they rather take your money? In the

they-get-100%-of-it kind of scheme, they definitely just want the money. Scheme is definitely the right word here. Yeah. So, they have to provide timestamps now for exactly which part of your video is manually being claimed, and YouTube is providing their editing tools to remove the content claimed manually in your video which will now automatically release the claims. This isn't gonna

solve all problems. No. But it should be way more helpful than what they have now. Yeah so right now you've got a few different options you can mute all sound when the claimed song plays, you can replace the song if you don't want to mute the audio entirely. So you can instead swap out the music with one of their free-to-use songs from the YouTube Audio Library. Although that might not necessarily be a perfect solution. We actually had someone claim a YouTube Audio Library song once because the performance was licensed by YouTube, but the actual original sheet music

was still copyrighted in Germany, of all places. Anyway. Or you can trim out the content. So you can just cut it out, and then an edited version will show up on YouTube after the fact. And they are still working on improvements, like having an explicit trim option

in the video copyright info page that'll allow you to trim it out with just one click. And remember, of course, that the same tools from before, where you could dispute these claims, the video copyright info page that'll allow you to trim it out with just one click and uh remember of course that the same tools from before where you could dispute these claims do still exist if you think the claim is incorrect or covered under fair use or just completely irrelevant like those unigine valley and unigine heaven claims you can just say hey this is invalid here's the reason i think so and we've actually found that most of the time um like wanshow uh we've been flagged on wanshow a lot of times back when we used to show game trailers

yeah uh we've been flagged by the game trailer owners and i'm kind of sitting here going you effing serious mate so dumb you're gonna take our money for promoting your sorry we advertised yeah sorry for the free promotion dumbass. So we've actually disputed those in the past, saying, I'm sure this was an accident. No one in their right mind at Nintendo would be mad that we showed their trailer. Nintendo definitely gets salty about that. I actually do think that Nintendo was one that did not release it. I'm sure they were.

I'm looking at it going like, you guys are just idiots, because we are just never, ever, ever going to talk about one of your new games again. They're getting slightly better at this over time. They do seem to be getting slightly better. But like, wow. It's like, how stupid do you have to be to get mad at someone

for promoting a trailer for your content? This is an awesome looking game. Check it out. Flagged. We might not have said it looked awesome. We probably did. It's a Nintendo game. we probably did we're both they're basically all awesome yeah um on the subject of nintendo one more topic before we do our sponsors uh switch light yay or nay yay absolutely you know what you know what i'm gonna do it i'm gonna tempt the gods oh geez oh no here it is oh no no wait no i bailed hard mail Oh, no. No, wait. No, I bailed. Hard bail. No, forget it. Good call.

We'll see if his shoe takes the whole video. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see if we give up all of our AdSense over that. What do you think? Do you disagree with me? I wasn't listening. I was busy being a dude. Oh, I said yay.

You said yay? Yeah. Why? It's considerably cheaper. It's $100 cheaper. And it's effectively a 3DS replacement. Okay. Which, like, they weren't going to keep going with 3DS,

and we've known that for a long time. Okay. So I'm going to say it's complicated. Okay. I see where you're going here. Okay. So go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

These prices are all over the place for one, so I'm not 100% sure what's going on there. The one that I saw that's price competitive with the Switch Lite, I would be concerned about. Used Switches are a little bit sketchy. That's true because they could be blacklisted. They could be blacklisted. They have an exposed screen.

It's fairly likely for the screens to be scratched, especially if people were not very careful with docking them, and that's gonna be something that might be a little bit visually hard to tell in an eBay ad. It has a not very easily user replaceable battery, so I would be a little bit concerned about that. And I don't think the fact that you can eBay something that is used for a comparable price, that a new thing is null and void.

No, but it's a factor in a purchasing decision for me. I'm not going to purchase a Switch Lite. I think it's cool that it's on the market. Here's my other main problem. Yeah. That's BestBuy.com, so that's U.S. pricing. Sure. So to me,

effectively, what Nintendo has done here is they've knocked $100 off the price, and you're getting the same gaming hardware, so you're going to have the same gaming experience that you had, at least on mobile anyway. The battery life is a little longer. Is it?

As far as I know. It's an updated chipset, I think. It's a new Tegra chip. I believe so. So the battery life is a little bit. Is it? As far as I know. It's an updated chipset, I think. It's a new Tiger chip. I believe so. So the battery life is a little bit longer. The controllers are fixed. So they're stuck on the side. And I believe the screen's a little smaller.

I don't know about the screen. I'm not sure. But, okay. So here's my problem. Is they dropped $100 off the price. Yes, that's nice. But you are giving up a lot. You're giving up TV docking and removal controllers.

Some of it you have the ability to get back. Like, for example, there are games that you cannot play on the Switch Lite, like Mario Party, for example. Mario Party requires Joy-Cons. You can connect Joy-Cons to a Switch Lite. Of course you can. For $70. Oh, yeah, yeah, okay.

But you said you cannot play so now you've spent 270 it is another 30 30 bucks to get the one that just has all the functionality that's where i run into trouble this is a This is a console that is a Switch, but it doesn't offer all the same experiences. It's more like a Game Boy. It's not really a console. Yes. It doesn't dock.

I know. You can't play it on TV. I know, I know. It's not really designed. I hear you. It's not really designed for Mario Party. For $30, look, I've played more Mario Party on the Switch portably than I have on my TV. Oh, that's kind of weird. On the plane.

Why do you play Mario Party on the... You play Mario Party by yourself? No. With someone. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I play that Mario Party on the plane.

That's a fairly small use case. Okay. That's a niche use case. I don't disagree with you. But, but, there, I mean, there's other games. Nintendo acknowledged in their announcement that you can't play 1-2-Switch. It won't play all of them, yeah. Yep, there are games it won't play.

You've got to check the back of the game. You've got to see if it supports handheld mode. And if it doesn't, you are plum fresh out of luck. I think the vast majority of games are going to support it. Especially moving forward. Mario Party is a good one to call out because that's a fairly major i don't know how many party game it's a lot of fun yes i don't know how many people are into one two switch yeah kind of a trash game no mario party is far more important to me yes i will give you that and if i have to run out and spend 70 dollars

on top of the fact so here's another problem that i have first party nintendo games are freaking expensive so when we're talking about the price difference between a switch and a switch light we're talking one and a half games yeah but at the same time like if you're a kid that one and a half games might be too much yeah that's and then you should probably go buy, you should probably go try to very much snipe a good deal on a used Switch somewhere else. I do agree with that. Not everyone's gonna do that. A lot of moms are not gonna buy you a used Switch.

A lot of moms are not comfortable buying used stuff for their kid, who, you know, even if they're like, like, you know, I get this story all the time. Like, hey Linus, my mom won't let me buy a used GPU on eBay because she says it's sketchy. I know it's a good deal. It's like it's one of those brands that has a user transferable warranty.

It's literally still under warranty. Help me convince her. And I'm like, look, dude, there's nothing I can do to help convince you. I couldn't convince my parents. You're not going to be able to convince yours, I bet. Yeah. My mom was pretty cool about that. My brother and I raised money and she drove us to buy a SNES from some dude in a parking lot when I was like 11 or something.

But not everyone's down with that. Yeah. I don't think it's a smoking deal. I don't think it's amazing. I think it has a place, though. Right. A lot of people aren't going to buy you. Some people might want to just play Fire Emblem and Smash

and literally nothing else. But if you're... Okay. People will buy a device for that. Smash? Just mobile? You don't want to dock it? People will buy a console. No. Smash is invalid. What if not docking... You're invalid. What if not docking is...

I can't even push it. What if not docking the device is not invalid. No, you're invalid. Go, go. I can't even push them. What if not docking the device is not a problem? Brandon, please. Come on. He's... Okay. This is interesting. Okay, so Brandon, you're a bit of a Smash enthusiast.

Yes, I like Smash. And Fire Emblem. I said those names specifically because of Brandon. Okay. So, we're talking Switch versus Switch Lite right Okay. So do you know about the Switch Lite? Yes, I know about the Switch Lite. Of course you do. Obviously we all do.

Okay, so at $100 Delta, is the Switch Lite a deal? I didn't say it's a smoking deal. I said it had its place. I think it has. Yeah, I think I agree with Luke. I think it has its place. Okay, so if you were someone who's only going to play Fire Emblem and Smash,

is it not worth the extra $100 to be able to dock? This isn't fair because Brandon has a sweet couch and a really nice TV. I just bought a Switch. I literally bought a Switch like last week before the Switch Lite came out. Now, thinking back to that decision that I made last week, I'd still make the switch. I was going was gonna say I think you'd buy a little first

But again, he has a nice TV. Yeah, and a really awesome couch A lot of people don't have all right, but you don't need to have a TV Easier monitor you can absolutely sure there's so many monitors But a lot of people are just gonna want to like chill in bed playing the thing I see they do they not have friends a lot of kids don't have a Why it's a valid question bed, play another thing. I see. Do they not have friends? A lot of kids don't have a... Do they not have friends? It's a valid question! It's fair,

but like... Who plays Smash by themselves? Sometimes that $100 delta will be too much to overcome. That's true. But then, I stand by my argument that you should go buy a used Switch then. But some people can't. Because you're gonna... Okay, you might not need Joy-Cons eventually. But, okay, here's another thing, too.

Like, if you want to talk resale value, the Switch is going to hold its value. It's going to hold some of that value when it's time to flip it and get a Switch 2 or Switch Pro or whatever. To be fair, basically all Nintendo products hold value very well. And the accessories in particular. Except for, like, the weird accessories for original Wii. Okay, so I was picking... No, some of them not bad. Like the tennis racket things?

Okay, no, no, not that stuff. That's what I meant. But I'm talking, like, Wii modes. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah. Wii Motion Plus Wii modes still hold value. Yeah. The Wii U. I was picking up a Wii U a little while ago

because one of our Wiis, like, was having some kind of issue, and I was like, you know what forget it let's just get a Wii U anyway and then I can do that data transfer thing and then I don't have to worry about the Wii dying and taking all my you know classic arcade whatever these virtual console games with it and all that kind of stuff so we

got it and I was like shocked at how much a Wii U still costs because because of the way that Nintendo manages their IP and they have these unique games these unique gaming experiences the wii u tablet controller still feels amazing yeah so they've got these unique experiences that are available their their consoles hold their value i would make the argument that a switch light is going to go like that compared to a switch which will still hold some value comparatively i still think it'll hold this value better than a lot of things. Yeah. But yeah, I do agree with that in general.

I think you're maybe underestimating the $100 Delta. Yeah. For a lot of kids, that's a really big deal. It's big. My problem is that... That's potentially a year. But it's going to bite you later.

It's going to bite you when you need Joy-Cons. It's going to bite you when you have to flip... But it's also going to eventually go on sale get comboed with a game okay something like that okay now that's a different conversation if it comes with fire emblem and it's like 229 now we're talking a two game difference in price but right now it is a one and a half game right yeah right now but it's that i think that's still significant enough to make people accept these sacrifices. Sure. Yeah, they are

sacrifices in a lot of cases. The increased battery life is really nice, and that might be enough for some people because charging the Switch is actually a huge pain. It is. I've already noticed this. The Switch being fully mobile is actually very annoying. It is? Yeah. How's it a pain? Charging the Switch

is... Its battery life is not very good. Yeah, its battery life is terrible. Yeah, but, I mean, okay, so maybe I'm a unique case here. So now you're throwing in surprisingly expensive battery banks? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on a second.

I find, okay, so let me think for a second. You know what, though? Because I use my laptop charger. So I carry one USB Type-C. Yeah. I carry my Razer Blade Stealth laptop charger which does my phone, my switch

and my laptop and they all last for long enough that I don't need to plug all three of them so now this kid that was barely able to save up for it has a Razer Blade with a USB C charging card I haven't found charging the device to be a problem

it's a little awkward a lot of people who buy a Switch Lite are not going to go along and also buy a lot of the stuff that you need to make, like, that could make the Switch TV version better. That's true. And so, like, a Switch Lite is a good solution because, like,

they're not going to spend, like, because I think I spent, like, another $100 on little things, like SD cards. A pro controller. Yeah. People who who buy this wish aren't gonna buy that So that's the thing when you buy a switch for the TV for your TV You're buying a lot of other stuff on top of that Yeah, a lot of the time over time and like a switch light you just kind of and you're trying to like just play right away So what bridge the gap?

All right Thanks, Brennan by buying some of those things like additional controllers and stuff And I think you have to assume if you're going for a switch light You're probably buying nothing in addition other than games. All right. Well, that's fair enough So you're in your good the plan is to invest a lot less in the ecosystem And if I was a parent, maybe I'd get my kids a switch light so that they don't have to ask me for a pro controller Honestly that might sell a bunch of these if the people are educated enough in the ecosystem to go like, okay, yeah, it can't connect to the TV.

It can't do all these other things. Or if I don't want my kids on my TV. Or that. So, okay, all right. I think it has a place. I don't think it's a stunning value. I don't think people should run out and buy it right now because it's amazing. If you're interested, I would probably wait until it gets bundled with a game.

With a game. Yeah. With a game? Okay. Without a game, I think it's a tough sell for me. I don't think it's a great deal. I don't like saving a dollar so that I can spend two later. Okay, but 100 US dollars when you were 13. it's a lot of money but when i know you probably would have bounced when i was and i probably would have done the same thing i bought low sold high i was flipping stuff on craigslist like i was hustling yeah so i had a job like i don't feel bad yeah for people that can't raise a hundred dollars because they're like too young to neither do i because again I had a job but I can understand why they might want to buy now to be clear that you know I just said just now could sound very out of Touch to be clear. I don't feel bad for like suburban

Lower to upper middle class kids yeah that can't scrape together $100 if you came from where we came from yes Yeah, they can't get together $100 if you came from where we came from yes, then you should be able to yeah But if you're someone who is in a situation where like you can't You don't even have time to go to school because you are like working to support your family at 12 or whatever That's a completely different situation supporting my family with my job. I was buying everquest subscriptions and So I just want to make sure that that's really clear. Yes. Just for those of you who are tuning in late, we have no idea why the stream is lagging on YouTube.

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You were kind of standing there patiently Yeah Right Okay, yeah Luke said that. So to me, that means that it's the new 3DS. Okay, yeah, Luke said that. Yeah, like, to me, it's... I would buy it because it's more portable. It is smaller. Oh, it is smaller?

Yeah. Okay, yeah. It's less likely... How much smaller? Like, my Joy-Cons don't stick really well anymore. It's like a 6-point-something to 5.5-inch, so, like, it's actually a smaller device. Okay, so it's quite a bit smaller.

It's basically like a little bit larger than a Vita. Okay, so it's still like sort of pocketable. Uh, depending on the size of your pocket. Yeah, you'd need a pretty epic pocket. My pockets are huge. No, I don't think so. Uh, maybe. It takes my entire hand.

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All right. Do we have any other important topics today? I kind of feel like we covered all the really important stuff. The major things. The Google employees secretly listening in thing is pretty interesting. Nah, we gotta talk about the PCIe Gen 4 compatibility drama.

I wanna throw in a thing for this really quick at some point. Oh, sure, okay, let's do it now, let's do it now. Okay, so Google employees secretly listening in. We don't really have to go into this too deeply, in my opinion. There's Google employees that are listening in to Google Home

data and listening to conversations, including conversations that were definitely not intentionally triggered. I'm sure this is happening with all of them. I was talking to Wendell at Computex. We talked about a ton of stuff. Wendell's an amazing person. It was very fun hanging out with him. But one of the things we started

talking about is there's someone has designed, or a group of people, I don't remember. Sorry. I didn't remember the story until I saw this exact topic. But they designed this 3D printed housing that you can put on, I believe it was for an Alexa, but you could probably put it on a, you could probably modify it to go on a Google Home as well, that like covers it and then has a little, I believe, if I remember correctly, it has a little speaker in it

that constantly blares noise at it. And it's called a brain, it's playfully called a brain slug because that plays onto something from a show that I don't remember and people get really mad at me, but I think it's Rick and Morty. So basically it's constantly blasting white noise. Isn't it Futurama?

Futurama. Oh, I think it's Futurama, yeah. It's constantly blasting white noise, and the brain slug is now listening for you, but it's all local stuff. It doesn't call out to external servers. So if you say the keyword that the brain slug wants to hear, the brain slug will stop blasting noise, and then you can talk to your automation device. Wow. And that's actually

awesome. That is next level. I think that is so cool. And I've wanted to make one for a while, even though I don't run these devices. I just want to make one because I think they're cool. And I probably screwed some things up, and I'm sorry, wendell and whoever made that project but super cool so this is pretty funny um google's defense of this behavior was that only 0.2 percent of all audio clips are being used that's a lot that's a huge amount that's one in every 500 that that means i guarantee like not technically guaranteed but it's extremely likely that i have something in here of me going set a reminder for but you know my herpes appointment or whatever like but that's the thing okay luke has a highly recognizable voice so let's say that he did set an embarrassing reminder or something like that even if he was

intending to talk to his assistant. Yeah. It's a personal assistant. Yeah. Not a, hey, I'd love for someone in a data center somewhere to really listen to this and go, wow, is that Luke Lafreniere? The conversation with Wendell came up because I was talking about how I don't like these services because I would love to have something local and how a long time ago I had spun up this project

to try to mesh together a whole bunch of microphones in my house and have them dictate to a file that I was going to be constantly reading to see for my own keywords and triggering events on my own and all this kind of stuff. But it was quite a long time ago. And he actually said there's a bunch of projects that I would be able to use to accomplish it a lot easier now which is very cool again talking to Wendell is always fantastic but that's how we got onto this thing because these are so they're so creepy Nick you've been standing here very patiently do you want to talk to the the WAN show? Yeah I mean for a minute I thought you were going to say Luke has herpes. Not that I know of.

Have you talked about your super fashionable T-shirt that you're wearing? No, I haven't yet. Oh, well, that's now the top-selling T-shirt in the lightest tech store. Really? Above hard drive? I actually like hard drive better. Hard drive has only been on sale half as long. Oh, okay.

Yeah, so there you go. Processor T-shirt. It's for sale. It's really nice. I really like it. There's also this one. You can also get the elemental shirts, which don't sell very well.

This shirt exists. Check it out. Alternatively, we're going to have those two for $30 at LTX. Hard drive is pretty awesome. I really like this one. What else is there to say? We're out of stock of most of the sizes of stealth hoodie. Are we out of all of them?

There's only one. There's one stealth hoodie in stock well it says sold out online so they'll be back next week and uh hopefully by next week we will also be launching our underwear oh yeah do you want some underwear yes yeah i bet you do i've already told them i think i think you'll take anything free oh yeah yes yeah. Yes, so can I pitch you something crazy? Okay to promote the launch of the underwear. Yeah, we do the show naked But wearing underwear Are we like standing? See them anyways, that's fine. Are we gonna ban from Twitch? I don't know

Well, oh, how does that work you tape over so over them. You could paint them. We could paint them. We could paint them. Because that's a whole section on the thing. We could wear bras. Oh, my God, we could wear bras. We could wear bras. Okay, but hold on a second. I need to know how this works. This is actually important.

Because you're a Twitch partner. So if you show your nipples on someone else's channel, does that affect your channel? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. else's channel oh does that affect your channel yeah yeah okay so if like dr disrespect showed up on linus tech yeah and was like streaming in the bathroom or whatever he'd that's on him not me temporarily banned for cool oh it's on both of us all right yeah all right just just just clearing the air here just clearing the air so bras all right so bras might be the answer i think

actually you're not even gonna be here oh you're not here next week okay next week then we'll find a time um yeah all right asus publishes x470 and b450 gen 4 compatibility chart so um let's see what this was posted by cb forum member on the linus tech tips forum And basically, AMD's official position about PCI Express Gen 4 compatibility has been that only X570 and their Ryzen 3rd Gen processors together give you the capability to run PCI Express Gen 4, which is double the speed of PCI Express Gen 3 at the same link width. is double the speed of PCI Express Gen 3 at the same link width. However Asus actually just published a chart of their motherboards, so we've got this here on Hexis.net, showing that some of their last generation X470 and even their more value oriented B450 boards have PCIcie gen 4 support or capability so ironically um none of their rog boards have gen 4 16x support um so you know that's pretty funny but some of their prime and tough series boards actually do so you could plug plug a PCIe Gen 4 graphics card into your system and get a Gen 4 link

if you have a Ryzen 3rd Gen processor installed in it. And actually quite a lot of the boards support PCIe Gen 4 for the M.2 slot, which in my opinion is actually a little bit more important because PCIe Gen 4 16X is so far beyond what a graphics card needs at this point in time, outside of some very specialized workloads, that faster storage is probably a more practical use

for PCIe Gen 4 at this point in time. Now, what I actually don't have any clarification on at this point, because I haven't actually read the article, is how this affects the link between the CPU and the chipset I would imagine that's still a gen 3 link because the chipset itself is not gen 4 capable to my knowledge but for the rest of it the way that it works is your CPU is just its PCI Express pins are just connected to those slots or to that M.2 slot. So as long as the signaling quality is sufficient, it can negotiate a Gen 4 link on these boards. As long as the device on the other end is PCIe Gen 4. It's just, it's just copper. Like that's what it is.

It's copper. Now the way that they route the traces has to be better for PCIe Gen 4 so that you avoid interference. And that's why ASUS is saying, well, hey, look, these boards aren't going to handle it because of whatever reason. Or if you had something like a PCI Express switch or something, if that doesn't have Gen 4 capability, you're not going to be able to necessarily handle it. Actually, I don't know. How would a PLX chip be affected by that?

I would think it would have to be natively Gen 4. Don't quote me on that. Maybe I'll have to get back to you on that. Anyway, the point is, it looks like there are some boards with PCIe Gen 4 capability from the last generation, which kind of eliminates

the one key benefit of X570, especially because a lot of them are passively cooled. Okay, so I'm going to bring you back a little bit yeah please because you just talked about how it's very interesting but something you mentioned at the beginning of the show was the controversy problem where a lot of people are going oh cool but you think if it was the other team they would be getting really mad yeah so intel had something similar where they had a line of chips um that and i'm gonna screw up the code names coffee lake so they had a line of chips that could have worked on their

z170 and z270 boards and intel decided to say no they're not compatible and um because while some boards would have worked, and that was proven, enthusiast members of the community got Coffee Lake Chips working by spoofing IDs or masking pins or doing whatever funny things that the community does. I love you guys so much.

You're amazing. So they actually made Coffee Lake Chips work on previous generation boards. And so I guess this is just, so I said that at the beginning of the show, but I'm actually not sure that I agree with it anymore. Because. It doesn't fully feel the same.

Yeah, there's a bit of a difference in the way that they handled it. So AMD still has time to pull an Intel on this and lock it down, like manually lock it down, which is what Intel did. But the stance that AMD is taking here is not actually that different, where they're saying, look, because we don't want to create confusion in the marketplace, we're just going to

say, X570, yes. Everything else, no. That's it. And that's exactly what Intel did. Because there were previous generation boards that wouldn't work with it, either because the VRM design wasn't good enough or any other number of reasons, they said, well, then, nothing, because our compatibility matrix cannot be that complicated. Because you've got to remember... And this is a little funky. You would kind of expect top-of-the-line ROG boards to support it, and the fact that they don't is weird and kind of confusing.

Yeah, the fact that the don't is weird and kind of confusing Yeah The fact that the lower end one the fact that the like tough and prime boards do is like okay? So by keeping the message simple hey the new gen works the old one doesn't you avoid? Ticking off the customer who just spent four hundred dollars on a crosshair whatever and now has less functionality today Then the b450 guy then the b450 guy that saved a buck last time. Which, like, I mean, that's great, and it's cool that they have support, but I totally understand why this would be confusing. It's like the inverse of what you'd expect. And keeping the messaging clean can be the best bet a lot of the time,

because, I mean, a perfect example of this is giveaways. You guys might have noticed we don't do a lot of giveaways on our channel. The reason for that is that for every one person that you make happy, you piss off 10,000. Oh, yeah. And so for someone like an Intel or an AMD, for every one enthusiast that they make happy by enabling this feature, and Optane was another one where it could have been backported to older generation boards, but they didn't because they didn't want to make it confusing. For every enthusiast that you please out of the last generation,

you are going to create a bunch of confusion with normies who don't understand why their stuff doesn't work. So I get it, but I also think AMD so far has been better about this in that they are at least allowing it to work rather than manually locking it off Yeah, it's something interesting how you talked about like enabling things can sometimes be bad doing giveaways can sometimes be bad Interesting random little tidbit. We added casting to the app, but it was in a known Somewhat buggy state, but it would probably work for a lot of people and we're like oh we can release this version it says that it's an alpha every single time we release a new version of the

app there's a big pop-up talking about everything and we say specifically in there casting might be buggy average ratings for the app went down when we added casting as a feature because people were like hey casting doesn't work bam get wrecked instead of people going like, hey, casting doesn't work. Bam, get wrecked. Instead of people going like, oh, five star, it'll be cool when more features come. Now they're going like, feature got here, didn't fully work even though you said it might not. Get wrecked. And it's like, it's interesting.

I'm not complaining. It's just an interesting observation that sometimes giving people something is not actually great because if it doesn't work properly or if someone else doesn't get it or whatever, it's going to create animosity, and that makes sense. It was a really interesting observation. Speaking of the app, I'm going to throw this in here really quick.

iOS app is very much on the way. It just takes so much longer to do anything in relation to Apple than it does with Google Holy crap our app has to be manually reviewed By like a person and I have to like give them a write-up Explaining the app and how it works and all this kind of stuff that they have to read before it can be test flighted for like not even actual release and Then we have to do that and then we're gonna have to actually release it,

at which point I believe it has to be manually reviewed again, but I'm not certain on that. And it's gonna take like a few business days to get manually reviewed. So it's coming. I don't know exactly when, because it's kind of in their court, but it's on the way.

Yeah. All right. Wanna go play some video games yeah let's do it all right so food's here yeah heck yeah all right so we're heading to the lounge uh good night ladies and gentlemen see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye hey wait you're going to do something next week should people be like looking out for you there uh i'll be at iem chicago yeah yeah so luke's gonna be there um intel sponsoring you yeah if i recall correctly I'll be at IEM. Chicago. Yeah. Yeah. So Luke's going to be there. Intel sponsoring you.

Yeah. If I recall correctly. I think I'm building a computer or something. You're doing some streams, I think, and panels. Cool. So guys, check him out. He's going to be at IEM in Chicago. Don't miss it if you're going to IEM in Chicago.

Yeah. Otherwise, I'm not going to say, like, get on a flight to see this guy because if you're going to do that, come to LTS. Yeah. Come to LTS. I was literally just going to say. All right. Bye.