The WAN Show - We Need To Talk About This - WAN Show February 9, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:15 And welcome to the WAN Show! We have got a great show lined up for you guys today. We're going to be talking about the Apple Vision Pro. Luke will be having his first hands-on experience with it i've got it in my backpack beautiful so we're going to see your beautiful eyes it'll be yours uh yeah it'll be don't worry they're blue for some reason we're also going to be talking about the canadian government who did something spectacularly either stupid or awesome depending on your perspective sure i mean someone obviously thinks it's awesome otherwise they wouldn't have done it what else we got today did i take yours again yeah

Starting point is 00:00:59 you stopped for one week and now it's just gone uh where was there there was one uh yeah deep fake scam boosts 25 million dollars for those of you who are new to english especially young people english boosts means steals seals yeah what else you got that was that was absolutely wild also i don't know i'll pick this one funimation libraries to be deleted which is bad that's a bummer that means initial d i'm surprised you didn't take florida man kicks kids off social media that just sounds like a good idea the show is brought to you by grammarly ag1 and updf why don't we jump right into our headline topic which is of of course, nothing. We named the show after my face.

Starting point is 00:02:09 Oh, I guess we should talk about that. Yeah, that is a topic. Oh, yeah. How did you not take that one? I left you the juiciest. Yeah, fair enough. I was all toss, and you were like whiff. Usually you always take the headliner and you skipped it. I didn't even realize that was still available.

Starting point is 00:02:27 But yeah, it was. It totally was. So, have I told you why? No. Oh, great. Okay. If I remember correctly, I was actually legitimately waiting for the show to ask. Dan, do you know why? Life works now.

Starting point is 00:02:41 I think I had it spoiled for me, yeah. Okay, then don't say anything. Let's let luke guess we can let chat help you because they don't know so anything they say is just complete profound can i can i give a can i give luke a hint no i haven't even got you can maybe eventually but not before i've even started well that's disrespectful like does he just does he have a very hintable face just looks like he needs hints oh man uh my first initial reaction was got a strong brow furrow my my first initial reaction was that it might have been something to do with needing to have a mask or something. Because you can't with beards.

Starting point is 00:03:30 Okay. You weren't doing anything like that. I want to give my hint. That's why a lot of firefighters have mustaches, by the way. I want to give my hint. Oh. Because the mask can... I thought it was just so they could give rides.

Starting point is 00:03:47 my hint oh because the the mask can i thought it was just so they could give rides i mean they probably do that a lot but no the uh yeah the mask can go along the the outside of your face and you can still have a mustache because it doesn't have to stick there got it makes sense uh just got tired of it yvonne what does yvonne think i don't think you can ask questions. I can't ask that? I think you can just ask reasons. Did Yvonne suggest it? No.

Starting point is 00:04:11 Okay. Were you just tired of it? Nope. Were you curious to see what it looked like? Nope. Because it's been too long. It's been three long. It's been three long, three years.

Starting point is 00:04:23 Yeah. That was a COVID beard. It's a really long time's been three long three years yeah that was a covid beard it's a really long time i know right it feels yeah the whole covid timeline thing has ruined my brain um no it's not apple vision pro fitting no no no apple vision pro is totally ski goggles and this is totally yeah neck warmer yeah all right dan, give my hintable face some information. You know how we were talking about Linus' Porsche last week? It's better than hittable face. That is true.

Starting point is 00:04:54 Okay. My understanding is it's very similar reasons to why he modified his windshield wipers. Okay, I can kind of see where you're going with this but i don't think that's going to help him very much i didn't say it was a good hint but i thought you might find that funny it was like the cheaper way of doing something but how does that make any sense uh linus gets it linus gets it. Linus gets it. I love this. There's thousands of people experiencing this and only two of them get the joke right now.

Starting point is 00:05:32 This is a great show. I feel special. Dan, you're a special boy. Can I get another hint? I'm trying to think of like, do I call him? I might as well just tell you there's absolutely no way you're ever going to get it. Okay. So I booked a hydro facial. I have no idea what that it's basically just like a skin treatment for

Starting point is 00:05:48 your face water on your face no is it waterboarding no it's definitely not waterboarding okay um so I got a hydrafacial and um I I contacted them ahead of time I was like so like how does it work with the the hair and they were like uh, it obviously doesn't work anywhere where you have facial hair. And I was like, okay, well, is the price different? And they're like, no, the price is the same. And I was like, okay, so the price is the same regardless of how much face you treat. Like I got to get my value. I respect that.

Starting point is 00:06:23 Yeah, I respect that. Are are you gonna grow it back you know what i didn't get my value though because what i realized after i shaved it was even though i had intended to do it anyway i could have gotten d brand to pay like an enormous amount of money to have me shave my beard on wanshow or something especially if you left mustache for a certain period of time so stupid i can't i can't believe i can't believe it i am yeah that was kind of that that was slash is kind of surprising to me and one of the most like based takes i've seen so far was our own mark rathberger rath gaber rath gaber okay i realize i've never said his last name out loud yeah right then he gets that a lot

Starting point is 00:07:04 i know i he's told told me rathberger he gets that all the time it's rathgaber i knew i grew up with someone with them with that last name so my brain just defaulted to it anyways uh he said if this is real why wasn't it sponsored yeah that's fair it's a it's a fair take i'm actually very surprised it's a very it's fair take that you didn't combine those two things because the the the one of like you know what i'm gonna get my full value out of this totally understand yep but i'm surprised that your brain didn't also go not only will i get full value but i will now make money yeah off of this yeah i mean we could we could have upgraded some workstations or whatever you know it was a miss it was a miss okay speaking of misses my wife no just kidding um let's talk

Starting point is 00:07:46 about the apple vision pro no no no what does she think oh oh oh oh uh she liked the beard didn't she she likes the look of the beard but definitely prefers the snuggle ability of not a beard so for her it's kind of i think it's like a 55 beard 45 not beard got it but now that the beard has been a thing for a while and she's going back to not the beard it's kind of fun for a bit no oh no no not even a little it's i think it's when we went from this to that it was like oh yeah the beard looks a little better now that we go from beard to this it's like so you're growing it back right so are you going back then uh yeah but not yet oh soon why not yet um has the uh the hydrofacial is just a lead up for like a pokey thing that they're that they're gonna do sure yeah so it's like some pokey thing it's

Starting point is 00:08:43 supposed to facial acupuncture it's supposed to stimulate like collagen production or something like that like basically i'm looking at it going okay i'm almost 40 um i'm not into i'm not into like oh i'm gonna get a bunch of fillers and a nose job or whatever else but from a certain point of view um i have like never done anything other than just rub soap on my face and I'm looking at it going okay so this is kind of like being 40

Starting point is 00:09:11 and never having gone to the dentist it's like yeah I brush my teeth but like I so I'm like okay you know what a little bit of maintenance I'm going for it so I've got a couple things

Starting point is 00:09:20 and then I'm going to grow my facial hair back and cover it all up because that makes a ton of sense yeah sure you ready uh yeah i guess yeah i guess so all right you guys are gonna see it here first guys raw raw impressions i'm like i'm like kind of nervous i don't know why well because if your take on it is wrong then you're gonna have people calling you an idiot and if your take on it is right that isn't why then you're gonna have the other half of people calling you an idiot

Starting point is 00:09:58 because this is an extremely divisive product yeah okay okay Okay. Okay. So first up, first up. It's an extremely divisive device. Here it is. The Apple Vision Professional. Professional. Not to be confused with the regular Apple. Are you going to take it? Oh, yeah. Not to be confused with the regular Apple Vision.

Starting point is 00:10:17 Is this just, it's one size for everybody? Okay. So you do a facial scan thing, but your nose kind of shape coming out of your face is like pretty not that far off mine i suspect this thing will probably be mostly okay for you maybe a little bit on the small side um because i'm like a small medium helmet and i think you're more like yeah but the whatever the um uh i don't remember what the brand of that vr headset was that i tried at your house but that felt pretty well oh really so the big screen beyond yeah oh yeah that did fit you okay okay

Starting point is 00:10:49 then you'll probably i was wondering about the so that has a dial size okay yep so you just play around with the dial and uh once you put it on it should basically turn on but before you do before you do let's get your impressions all right so it's got the it's got the protective cover on the front it comes with that you can just pop that off material wise feels premium i don't know the headband really okay there's two options for the headband there's also this one not premium to be clear there's one that has a top there's the like a top strap as well diaper band well yeah i mean i wouldn't call it a diaper band, but sure. Sure.

Starting point is 00:11:25 Yeah. They could have made that one look a lot better. They clearly want you to use this one. Yeah, I can see that perspective. There's like no promo material of that, I don't think. Yeah, that's fair. This is the one in all of it. That's fair.

Starting point is 00:11:36 Yeah, that's fair. They could have done a better job with that one. Okay. I can already tell this is going to feel front heavy. Mm-hmm. What do you think of the weight of the battery pack? That's fine. It's going to be in a pocket or something, right?

Starting point is 00:11:50 Like, I'm not really worried about that, I think. Yep. What do you think of the fixed cable? It's not, it's only sort of fixed. Yeah, well, yeah, it's one length though. So you can't just be like, oh, I'm going to keep it in my shirt pocket today. Yeah, because it's a different type of lightning, right?

Starting point is 00:12:04 It's like... It's some kind of jumbo lightning so it's it's fixed i mean that's not great for all intents and purposes today yeah i would like to be able to have different lengths of cable sure you got some grease on those lenses do i try it on now go for it do i keep the cover on i have long eyelashes i it's actually a problem for me is my eyelashes just coat the inside of any vr headset that i use with like grease oh yeah you're gonna want to loosen that a touch yeah yeah oh are you gonna take off the front cover sure also i mean any impressions on the uh yeah okay yeah he found it so that's how the pieces come apart uh you're gonna show the people you're just gonna hold it under the desk so i tried to take off the front cover by gripping this portion and pulling both sides and then this came out and i was very temporarily don't forget about

Starting point is 00:12:54 the other piece that comes off of that oh wow so that piece also comes off of the assembly that you just disconnected all right i don't need that though right nope no that's just this is the not thicker one this is the thinner version got it of the face face thing i'm gonna try again okay there we go here we go here we go here we go that right there is a man who's going skiing this is less comfortable than i expected to be honest well remember too the face thing is not you know your size does it do these parts rest on your face um it depends so if i use that band it pulls in hard on my forehead yeah me too and if i use the other, it hangs hard on my cheeks. Okay.

Starting point is 00:13:47 It's like barely even touching my cheeks. All of it is right on my forehead. Remember to though, take all of this for what it is. Luke didn't do a facial scan. This is not the correct size for him. However, I will say that one of my bits of feedback is going to be that I find the comfort of it extremely difficult to deal with. It's definitely a lot more front heavy than other VR devices I've used.

Starting point is 00:14:09 Is it on yet? No. Okay, hold the button on the left, on the top. Top left. There should be a button. Hold it down. That's the right. Good job.

Starting point is 00:14:19 Okay, did it fire up? No. I hope I didn't let it die. found the button though right yeah this one yeah okay it's not turning on no okay one moment please you can just plug the battery pack into something right i think oh yeah oh yeah yeah it's no problem that's no problem we've we've got a solution the solution is the cable supposed to go up like this uh yeah that's where the cable goes so it goes like they're trying to get it around your ear i guess it doesn't actually go around my ear yeah it i don't have that problem

Starting point is 00:14:50 but that's interesting feedback yeah it like touches right at the top the bigger issue for me and a lot of this is is just going to be stuff that i'm going to talk about in the review uh all right you should be able to turn it on now it's it's charging now okay wow this whole everything on the forehead thing is not great the bigger issue for me is that on both straps the attachment mechanism here i'm just going to go to linus cam here the attachment mechanism is an ovular shape you can see that it's an oval and what that means is that there's absolutely zero play whatsoever. So if you're the kind of person who goes, Oh, yeah, you know, I really prefer to wear a back ponytail, instead of a nape ponytail or a high ponytail, I would really like to adjust this to sit, you know, more this way or more this. No this no no you get to not do that so if you look at the way that luke's wearing it right now luke can you turn to the side a little bit if he was like oh i would really strongly prefer you know to have this kind of more up here the answer is no

Starting point is 00:15:59 apple says no speaking of apple saying no it won't turn on still yeah i mean it's definitely charging uh here can can i borrow it for a sec maybe this is just user error or instructional error could also be that um oh man ah so convenient all right you want to stall for me uh sure it's run interference uh yeah the whole forehead thing i saw him take it off once and i saw a very pronounced red mark along his forehead and then slightly along the sides and i was a little bit surprised by that and now i am no longer surprised at all uh for me again it's not scanned for my face so it's probably not already read on you yeah i'm not surprised um it's not scanned for my face at all this is probably not useful

Starting point is 00:16:53 information like straight up but no weight at all was distributed anywhere other than just my forehead and all the weight for the device is in the front so the entire weight of the device was just sitting right there where the other strap i could i could try that the bigger issue for me is that my choices so the reason you probably saw it so red on my forehead was because i had i was wearing it really i was wearing it really tight and the reason for that is if i wear it at a reasonable tightness um it just mashes the bridge of my nose. So this is actually the point where it's most uncomfortable for me. So you're cranking it onto your forehead to save your nose. This is not turning on for me either.

Starting point is 00:17:32 The light is red. It's usually green. So I guess it... Needs a minimum charge? Yeah, maybe it needs a minimum charge level, which I find a little bit surprising. Have you spent time with this? Should we swap straps?

Starting point is 00:17:44 I have spent time with that should we swap straps i have spent time with that um like i was saying earlier it basically takes the it takes the load off of here and puts it here and on my nose and it also just kind of feels like it's going to come flying forward on me because i would wear it farther back i would wear it more like back here instead of like like here and here instead of right here and right here yeah it's like it's not deep enough this band seems yeah I'm not surprised that's the one they put in all the promo footage that seems kind of a little late maybe um well this is not working this is a little anticlimactic yeah this was supposed to be our first topic of the

Starting point is 00:18:25 week i guess we're gonna have to pivot to another topic this is yeah we just come back to it sure we'll come back to it we'll let it charge for a bit yeah all right good luck buddy want to pick one try the other button people are saying no i tried it yeah okay uh sure okay okay apparently there is a google doc of uh people reacting to you shaving and we're supposed to react to that really yes oh i didn't know about this okay shave memes there's a segment if you scroll down there's a section called segment okay reaction is to linus's new face all right uh i All right. I guess we'll just screen share for this. Okay. I'll go full screen. Sure. View.

Starting point is 00:19:13 Slideshow button. There we go. Okay. I saw this. That skipped way in. That's the seventh slide. What? Oh, well, okay. Are you happy?

Starting point is 00:19:25 Yes. Initial happy? Yes. Initial reactions. Classic. What's up, Eddie? No. Okay, that's valid. What? I don't understand the opera one, considering he has a beard.

Starting point is 00:19:41 Opera GX? It's not the beard. Okay. We're covering up the caption okay oh mr best mr besters on it he's on the case all right we good yeah oh wow dan so you're just gonna move it around on the fly okay yep glad to see you're back at NCIX. Love it. By the way, this PC turned out amazing. Is it still having problems?

Starting point is 00:20:11 Nope. Nope. It's running perfect now. I think it ended up just being a motherboard issue or PCIe riser, plug-unplug. It's fine now. Yeah, it's 100% rock solid now. That's awesome. Runs cool. Yeah, it's amazing. There's my favorite one that's valid that's a good question but you shaving brought the world together okay i saw this yeah on the community post on youtube and i thought i just thought i was like oh this must be a new meme format that's popping

Starting point is 00:20:48 off right now it's actually an extremely old meme format that is only partially related oh interesting yeah because i was gonna send this to the social team i was like okay yeah we should probably find something to like piggyback on top of this and then i forgot and that's good because then i would have looked like yeah as a citizen of basically anything this is amazing want the thing and then pass it on or something yeah thing yeah oh man okay very good that's actually pretty good that's actually pretty good nice oh no okay uh i really don't think i'm gonna go blonde again why i what do it what what complete the look why are you why are you being so aggressive right now you you dyeing your hair blonde and wearing oh yeah polo

Starting point is 00:21:53 shirts come on would be that'd be amazing a wild throwback no we could get a really old camera and then do an LTT. What is this? Clip? We can't hear it. Is there sound on this? It looks like there's sound. Here you go. They should be able to hear that. Give me one second. Okay.

Starting point is 00:22:17 Thank you for that. Okay. Play it again. Alex Wojcicki says, my girlfriend says you look like a daddy with that beard except i don't have a girlfriend and i said that keep up all that you do all right thank you again for i completely forgot about that but that's pretty funny wow the future remains unclear i, unless you have vision.

Starting point is 00:22:46 Hey! I'll definitely be able to take anything he says seriously. Oh, come on! I'm still a serious person. Oh, come on. That's pretty funny. Okay. All right.

Starting point is 00:23:03 Thank you for that. This must have been the social team. Okay. That's pretty funny okay all right thank you for that this must have been the social team okay that's pretty funny let's see if the apple vision pro is working there's an accelerometer in the battery bank and it's really yeah it's supposed to light up when you when you move it but it's not doing it right now is this thing broken it seems like a more expensive solution to the just like press the button to check method yeah also i mean did i mention this battery bank is just useless unless you happen to want to power a vision pro because just apple things isn't it also like not that big uh i don't know um vision pro it's uh 3166 milliamp hours

Starting point is 00:23:49 yeah like wait what uh it's it's over under provision it's whatever the provisioning is where there's more capacity in here than what they display by about 20 i think it was even and i think the idea there is that they really don't want this thing to just be used every day be charged multiple times a day be kept at a full charge and then have people have it just like dying in a year no they would like it to take at least a few years because that's how apple rolls by then they'll have something better to sell you it's not five volts 12 volts yeah it's a super random random voltage um like it's something they absolutely could have done with pd 13 volts it's one of those things where it's like i'm sure there's some reason that it runs at 13 volts but i'm also sure that they could have found a way to

Starting point is 00:24:44 make it not run at 13 volts and run it like a standard usb pd voltage as well sorry is it working now or i don't know i'm checking okay um keep running interference okay sure yeah yeah uh yes it's working okay okay here we go all right run no interference all right luke will be experiencing the Apple vision pro for the, Oh yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

Starting point is 00:25:07 The battery bank already annoying. Do you kind of get used to it? I feel like you would. I'm so over this thing. Oh, I can't wait until I'm finished my review and I can just put it back in the box or like give it to horse to cover on Mac address or something. Wow.

Starting point is 00:25:24 I I'm, I'm over it. Oh my goodness. Uh, there are things that I love about it. And I, and I mean that with a capital L love, but there are things about it that,

Starting point is 00:25:37 uh, just make it the kind of thing that I love the idea of. And I don't need to have on my face. Like one thing to explain my problem and again i want to say it again this one is not face scanned for me to make it so that the face shield thing is actually touching my face i can make that happen by pulling it completely off and getting it like i can see linus right now through the device like it that's weird are you sure that's clicked on properly it's magnetic oh yeah there you go that's what i'm oh i'm taking it off to make it touch

Starting point is 00:26:10 so so the problem you have is the same one i have then like okay without the headband on could you make the whole thing go against your face by changing the angle almost certainly yeah absolutely this right here is a is actually a like a oh wow yeah i need to have the headband on like the upper crown of my head that's really okay so are you good now then yeah that's way better oh okay cool it just has to be like way up here i can't move it enough for it to be comfortable because it doesn't rotate it's not it's not swivelable i genuinely this this fixed pretty much everything it's very uncomfortable in the back of my head i don't like it being up here it feels like it's going to slip off yep um but it's now resting on my face like way better i have the exact same problem with this

Starting point is 00:26:56 one it feels like it's going to come off at any moment yeah i don't but it's more comfortable than that bend for me oh yeah this like this is immeasurably better okay so uh is it prompting you for a pin or anything it wants me to press this button to align okay yeah yeah hold it yep press and hold motorized motorized uh ipd adjustment pretty cool okay wow that's pretty good whoa what the heck is it actually right there how's that pass through wow that's weird pretty good huh that is actually really good can you toss me something yeah absolutely here i'll uh i'll toss you uh oh i'll toss you a prototype ltt sock nice yeah that was like easy yeah yeah no problem on the short circuit um d brand bet me that i couldn't dodge all the things that bell threw at me

Starting point is 00:27:55 so if i was able to dodge them all they said they'd pay double for the sponsorship did you dodge them all and if i wasn't able to dodge i got nothing oh so obviously i took that bet because i was extremely confident that i could dodge anything bell could throw i mean if you played softball with him he's actually pretty good but uh yes i successfully dodged everything so i'm pretty sure d brand had to pay double there's interesting stuff like right here. This visually is way closer to me than it actually is. That's kind of odd. But most things, once it gets far enough away, it's pretty good. The 3D mapping is, I would say, an extremely, extremely strong point.

Starting point is 00:28:37 Yeah, it's very good. There's just like, normally you're not going to have an object statically that close to your face. So like it's fine. I can't read text on the laptop, but i can very easily read all the keys yep um and if you had a mac on the on the stream deck perfectly fine i mean do you want it do you want it oh shoot do i have i have the pin thing up and i uh yeah yeah you can you can uh enter it center it over there so use the crown which is on the right yeah yeah center it looking at the wall so that you're just like mashing off screen and then just obfuscate what you're doing somehow is the pin

Starting point is 00:29:09 over there now yeah yeah it should be okay so uh oh oh are you using just your gaze tracking and and um yeah oh yeah so just just go like this in front of it in front of yeah just in front of it beneath it just kind of anywhere yeah you're way off you're way off screen now and remember they can't see what you're looking at anyway so it doesn't matter so your your fingers can be anywhere they can be close it doesn't matter if the people can see your fingers is that registering oh wow that was weird to get used to apple vision pro guys all it costs is uh okay i'm I'm in. He's in. He's in the Matrix. Okay, maybe center it...

Starting point is 00:29:46 That looks fantastic. Maybe center it over here so we can see you. Wow. Nice. Okay, that's cool. And that looks insanely good. Right? That's wild.

Starting point is 00:29:56 See any screen door effect? No. It hits. There's some... I don't know if it's the eyelash grease or because it's not fit for for my face there's a there's little imperfections here or there um but especially oh i'm like doing things and it's reacting to it that's pretty funny oh i gotta stop i want to look at stuff and i gotta just

Starting point is 00:30:17 move my eyes yeah it's pretty cool come on there we go wow this is very cool i understand why people are reacting to this so heavily because this is actually quite novel this is more novel than i expected yep having used pass through before and stuff like this before this is much more novel than i expected do you have any of the photos panoramic photos? If you just go to photos and videos, yeah, I'm sure there's some stuff in there. Like there's a 3D video that I recorded of just walking around. This thing where they put the screen up looks incredibly good. I don't know if it's just because of the screen door or because of something else that they're doing, but it just looks fantastic. Yeah, the lenses are incredible.

Starting point is 00:31:05 They're pancake lenses, so they're super low profile, but they have so much less internal reflection compared to the big screen beyond that I just cannot fathom how they are this far ahead of what others are doing at this stage. That's pretty sweet. I can put it behind the wall. Yep, and then if you glance toward the bottom right or bottom left corner then you can grab that and you can resize the

Starting point is 00:31:32 window once you've positioned it where you like it ah yeah yeah he's spatial he's spatially computing folks i am spatially computing and like i've seen videos people doing this but it's actually way different when you're actually just doing it yourself. Interesting. You kind of have to trust it to work. For a while there, I was like trying to like scope it out. If you just look at the thing and do it, it seems to happen.

Starting point is 00:31:55 If you try to finesse it, it doesn't happen as well. I don't know. That's not a great way of saying that. No, that's fine. That's fine. I get it. Heck yeah. Rated out of 10 so far first impressions ignore the comfort yeah how what is what is my what is my what i'm what is the thing

Starting point is 00:32:16 that i'm rating display it display is extremely good interaction display has got to be for everything that i've experienced it displays a 10 it's pretty incredible guys interaction is extremely good especially considering i'm not holding something that's doing that um i'm still having some problems with it like detecting where i'm looking now i didn't put it in guest mode for you i'm sorry i probably should have i just probably because of it not being scanned for my face yes i didn't really care about setting up the ipd thing properly yeah it's not in guest mode that i didn't even know existed etc it's probably those things more than anything because i've watched people use it and they haven't had these types of problems so i'm not actually worried about that

Starting point is 00:32:56 um and when it does work it feels like insanely good and i don't really see anyone having problems. So I think it's probably just a settings thing. So honestly, the interactability that I've done so far is probably also like a 10. Do you want to see dinosaurs? Yeah. Okay. So just click the crown and go to the, go to the dinosaur experience. Yeah. I think it's on the second homepage. So just, just pinch in front of you and swipe to the side to get no you got a pinch so a pinch is like a touch okay there you go yeah and then encounter dinosaurs yep this takes a little while so i'm gonna i'm gonna do a topic real quick while luke sits here and um experiences dinosaurs i guess right now i'm just experiencing the room so with music good for him oh it's over there oh move it i don't know can you no cool so i'm just gonna stare at you wow which uh with my own eyes through the vision pro definitely a little creepy is it weird yeah

Starting point is 00:33:59 um it's not very good so that's part of it and. And then the other part is it's like you're kind of half face-swapped. Oh, no. This is hilarious because the words on my side, the words encounter dinosaurs is just behind Linus's head. Yeah. But because it's behind your head, the top of your head is like translucent, so I can still read the word. Yeah, so I have it set to recognize when

Starting point is 00:34:26 other people are around and create a little translucent window in whatever it is you're doing. Kind of like rubbing a french fry on a piece of paper, you know? It makes a little kind of clear window where you can see other people. There's now a butterfly flying around your head. I feel like I'm in like

Starting point is 00:34:42 you know that depiction in old movies of someone who just got like a concussion and you just like start seeing things like that feels like what's happening right now all right cool um oh wow okay okay are we am i even gonna try and do a topic or are you just gonna you can go for it are you just gonna do stuff okay okay we've got a quick jobs announcement uh we're looking for a procurement coordinator uh responsibilities include fostering positive relationships streamlining procurement processes uh tracking product releases and collaborating with the content creation team on trending tech uh it's linusmediagroup.com slash jobs head over there if that sounds like you or anyone you know you can can always direct someone else there.

Starting point is 00:35:26 You see the little dinosaur now? It's a cute little dinosaur. He's squeaking. All right. You enjoy that little dinosaur, Luke? Oh, one thing I didn't even think about is, yeah, audio quality seems okay. We're hiring some positions right now. There they are.

Starting point is 00:35:40 See you later. It lacks bass. The speakers are not amazing. Yeah. But what is amazing is, turn your head around. The spatial mapping is... I'm noticing that as the dinosaur is sniffing your head. Mind-blowing. Yeah. It. I'm noticing that as the dinosaur is sniffing your head. Mind blowing.

Starting point is 00:36:05 Yeah. It's so good. Yeah. All right. I guess I will also talk about how, oh, we've added some new stuff on LTT store. Do you want to talk about what you're experiencing at all? Or should I just keep going? No, I think you're good. going all right cool um we are launching our black polo shirt yep that's right it's a black polo shirt it's part of our nine to five collection smart fabrics

Starting point is 00:36:39 easy fits good looks uh it's super soft and breathable with snaps rather than buttons on the collar. So convenient. Great for work or play. 96% cotton, 4% elastane. And we've got a couple of new graphic tees. That's right. We are finally launching some new graphic tees. Planetaries.

Starting point is 00:37:00 Oh, this isn't planetary. Intergalactic was inspired by our digital journeys into other galaxies through AR and VR, starting with the AR video that Lloyd did with Mac Address. And then Planetary was inspired by putting tech internals like hard drives and Qi chargers out into the galaxy. So you can check these out at lttstore.com. Both were inspired by kind of bit slash pixel art styles and uh speaking of intergalactic and traveling into other galaxies luke you're in the same galaxy same planet but very far back in time you know a black polo is perfect time for you

Starting point is 00:37:37 to dye your hair thank you for that that's um really helpful yeah this is crazy i can understand why you're probably tired of it but it's crazy it's very cool i don't this is this is like how long ago was that i was at oculus forever ago i think 2016 2017 around there and I had a conversation with someone where I bet 10 years was the timeframe it was going to be until we had like actual real mass adoption of VR. Right. And this is pretty close. This is definitely, I think, not it.

Starting point is 00:38:19 But I think this is a huge amount of the way there. I think we need a better weight distribution, better strap situation maybe. The screen quality is fantastic. The audio quality seems good enough. The spatial audio stuff is wild. How you control it seems very smart. I don't know. It's good.

Starting point is 00:38:47 This wouldn't be a normal place you would want to run your cable um yeah i don't mind that i just hit it with my hand because i just wouldn't have it ran like this ever so that's fine yeah it's it's funny that apple was the one to divorce us from headphone cables and now they've brought back a far thicker, far more obnoxious, far less sort of readjustable and manageable cable. But that's what I find interesting. The fact that there's no routing along the band or anything that you could optionally run it through. We're going to get third party headbands for this and they're going to be infinitely better than the garbage

Starting point is 00:39:21 that Apple shipped it with. That's a good point because these are detachable. So someone could actually easily make their own. that might solve a lot of my problems with it yep yeah almost certainly i think if it was scanned for my face and thus fit better i would be much more happy with it um unfortunately i don't think that i have my macbook so i've been i've been dailying a macbook ever since i started my review of the vision pro which uh admittedly has contributed to some of my impatience with it there's definitely still things that i find very frustrating about mac os uh to be clear there's things i find very

Starting point is 00:40:01 frustrating about windows things i find very frustrating about linux i i but there's there's things i find very frustrating about windows things i find very frustrating about linux i i but there's there's things i find very frustrating about mac os um like unless you go completely full screen on your app how little of your actual screen you get to use between the menu at the top and then the dock at the bottom like okay sure that's great it's great i'll just use this part of my screen while i'm browsing the internet um i'm not really i'm not really a full screen i'm not really a full screen app guy but uh let me let me go ahead and see if i can get this signed in and then you'll be able to use the macbook with the vision pro and we can kind of get your impression of that have you done the imax thing sorry imax yeah um there's an imax app with a 46 minute long free video of a beautiful planet in collaboration with nasa i just installed that oh yeah i installed that last night i was having

Starting point is 00:41:01 trouble getting access to the app store because i am canadian yeah yes so even if you get your hands on a vision pro you will need to have a u.s registered apple id and then especially difficult if you want to actually buy anything or subscribe to anything on the app store you will need a u.s based credit card not a u.s dollar credit card that's always so frustrating the billing address must be in the united states so that was pretty frustrating when i figured that out uh this is going to take me a minute because i need to log out of the account that i am in now and then i need to log into a different account. And that's going to be that's going to be a second. So another addition that I would add to my obviously not enough time spent with it. Oh, I'm in a theater.

Starting point is 00:41:55 I didn't even realize that. Oh, you can adjust the immersion in your environment by turning the crown, which is the one on the right. illusion in your environment by turning the crown which is the one on the right oh oh neat huh that's pretty neat uh so yeah something that i would say is this is good enough that i would want one i really get one because it's 3500 oh i see i was i was i whoa yeah you you had me for a second there i i thought you said want one not we'll get one um yeah i thought you were legitimately like considering one all of a sudden there no but this is novel enough that like this is very cool this feels like a leap um

Starting point is 00:42:51 this is pretty sweet are you in the imax experience right now yes if you're doing something and it's requesting you to close it obviously you can close it nope no i am not doing anything i'm trying to figure out how to sign out, and I finally figured it out. This feels like something that existed, and this is an app that you can, you know, you can just play, like, this is an IMAX whatever video thing, and you happen to be able to play it in this headset.

Starting point is 00:43:22 If this video was, wow, wow yeah i wasn't expecting to see my hands there they are uh if this video was all around me in a more panoramic scene i think it would be better i'm looking at a big box which is cool so that's going to be the case for a lot of things i have a couple of makes sense i have a couple of ipad apps that are compatible like in compatibility mode but i'm definitely understanding why developers don't necessarily want to didn't necessarily want to preemptively make things for a very questionable uh user base for a very yeah for a very questionable experience yeah yeah i totally get that um that's one of the reasons why I think with the... It seems like a lot of people are getting it. Reviews seem to be pretty positive.

Starting point is 00:44:10 Maybe if a bunch of users actually get this and a version 2 comes out eventually and whatnot, that might be the time. I don't know. Unless you're specifically into early adoption of tech stuff uh i don't know if this is going to be a thing for you but if you are into early adoption of tech stuff this is very cool sorry this is this is going to take me a little while still uh my my deepest and most sincere apologies dan run interference yeah merch message oh oh yeah yeah hit us with a merch actually it's

Starting point is 00:44:54 pretty much the perfect time for that anyway so excellent um let's see hey dan and the others what's the story behind linus cat tips where did it come from and what happened to it oh it came from the idea that in the early days of the company um i was thinking hey with how long it takes to shoot ltd which is just was on boxings at the time uh we could easily shoot the entire week's worth of content in a day so nothing would prevent us then from having five different channels each of which we shoot all the content for in a day and one of the things that you know i'm i'm pretty passionate about is cats um oh shoot while you do whatever you're doing um the the whole mixed reality portion of this is awesome it like it knows that linus is a thing that i might want to see right

Starting point is 00:46:00 now it's like if i look to my left i don't see this wall at all. I see an IMAX theater. I see all the different levels of it, etc. Even looking over there, there's like the door to the IMAX theater, the front, whatever, the water ball, I can't see that. The like guardrail in the front, I see all that kind of stuff. I look over towards Linus and I see exactly Linus in the area around him. I look over towards Linus and I see exactly Linus in the area around him. I look here, there's IMAX theater. This is, you could sit at home and interact with the people around you fully and properly while also engaging in media, which is pretty fantastic. Oh my God, what is this? God, what is this?

Starting point is 00:46:44 Whatever this is. There's like error messages are tiled over top of my whole screen. I'm so upset right now. Sync failed. Okay, I can't deal with that right now. I just need you to move. I just need you to move and get out of my way Okay let's try Let's try the other one

Starting point is 00:47:11 Send a new code Come on Come on It's not working Maybe it's the other one Okay I'm having a great time. Well, that's good.

Starting point is 00:47:26 I'm really glad you are. I'm really stressed out. This is really engaging content, guys. I'm sure this is fantastic for you guys to watch. It's great for me. This is a very cool device. Luke's watching a different show. I still wouldn't want to spend $3,500 on it.

Starting point is 00:47:40 And I don't know how required it is. It feels like being in the Apple ecosystem, it would be quite required. I genuinely have no much, how required it is. It feels like being in the Apple ecosystem, it would be quite required. I don't, I genuinely have no knowledge of how required it is to have a MacBook, but I don't have one of those either. So this would end up being a very, very expensive overall purchase,

Starting point is 00:47:56 which I will not do because I am too cheap. But I am definitely starting to understand why people would. And some of the people that I know personally that have bought one i i get it it's cool it's very cool yeah but i mean you're just kind of like looking at stuff like i don't know what's wrong with what's wrong with a phone and like a cardboard box if you're just gonna watch like a movie this is cooler than a phone and a cardboard box. How much money is that

Starting point is 00:48:28 worth? How old? How much content is going to be created? It's a novel, early adopter tech experience. You're paying a massive tax. Is the dollar value matching what you're getting? For a lot of people,

Starting point is 00:48:43 probably not not but it is very cool um and the screen is good i think that's what matters fantastic that is a huge part of it i keep kind of slipping into like not even really realizing that this is what i'm doing because the video that i'm watching is fantastic um and like i look over at linus and he's he's not there at all like it completely removes him and then if i look directly at him he's there and it's very clear good i'm not it's not fuzzy i'm not seeing any screen door it's it's very very good so i'm like very very much immersed in this video that's in front of me but i I don't feel like I have exited the room, if that makes sense. My ears are completely uncovered.

Starting point is 00:49:26 So while I can hear the thing, it's also very easy to hear you guys. I'm not wearing my headphones. Yeah, you can still hear me, yeah? Yeah. Normally these make it easier to hear you especially, but despite there being audio blasted directly at my ears by the headset, I can still hear you, no problem.

Starting point is 00:49:43 I can still hear mine, it's no problem. Closed in as like a traditional headset yeah yeah i i that's nice that part is really really cool um and pretty unique i've dealt with pass through before this is not the same thing not only because it's really fast like when linus threw me that sock it was second nature to catch it it wasn't difficult it wasn't it didn't feel more difficult than normal um but also just it's it's very smart like linus walking away it was like yeah you might want to see this person walking in front of you so linus was rendered in in front of the imax screen as he walked away um but usually like the the table is usually full deleted this mic right now because i'm in the imax view is usually being full deleted if i look right at it it shows up um but generally it's not there this is just it's very cool whatever they developed to uh

Starting point is 00:50:50 they developed to uh intelligently detect what i would want to see and decide when to show it and when not to show it is extremely good that is like very impressively good all right i've got a merch message for you to stall for time while dan fixes something sure uh steven asks yo dll the hardest choice of my childhood was who to sacrifice at the end of fable 2 what was the toughest video game choice that you ever made mine's gonna be stupid so i'm gonna go ahead and uh let you go first just in case i'm not even just like losing myself in uh in the imax thing i'm trying to think um i can do mine first if you need time sure for me it was my first playthrough of final fantasy tactics i hadn't really understood by this stage in the game that like permadeath was a thing oh and i i was a kid and i i played through a little bit more of the game thinking there's some, there's gotta be a shrine back or something.

Starting point is 00:52:08 And I like get them back or something. So you know how, wait, have you played final fantasy tactics? Uh, no, but I believe it works functionally in, in the permadeath sense.

Starting point is 00:52:19 The same as X column, I believe. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, really where I was going with that was that each

Starting point is 00:52:26 stage each level of the game is extremely time consuming okay you you you go and you like do things in between each stage you visit different you know locations and you micromanage your stupid equipment and all of your abilities and then you go and you do a fight and you might or might not win and then you do the whole thing again and you try again and like it's very boy is it ever time consuming so when you've made it a few more stages in and you realize oh no and it it wasn't like it wasn't an important character because the important characters... But they're still gone. But it was not a random either. And I had gotten kind of attached.

Starting point is 00:53:15 And I was like, oh my goodness. They are dead forever. So for me, it was less a decision of like who to sacrifice or who not sacrifice and more a decision of do i want to invest all of this time into restoring a really long time ago like probably five plus hours of gameplay time ago save so that i can bring this person back to i did it i went back and got them i was like i can't do this yeah there's there's a couple like i can think in i think it's mass effect 2 i think there's a there's a part of the game where you have to decide basically i think one person has to stay back to like do something and the rest of the people can escape

Starting point is 00:53:56 and you have to pick which person is going to stay back uh and the person who stays back definitely dies and you're you know that's going to be the result decisions like that uh i feel like hello dan you just showed up in the middle of the space station uh that's cool um um but yeah decisions like that i can find, but I think the hardest one is going to be related to yours. I'm pretty sure it was Fallout 3. My dog died. Oh, no. And Fallout 3 was not as friendly with autosaves

Starting point is 00:54:38 as some newer games are, and I had been doing a lot of open-world exploration, and I had to lose basically a day of gameplay um but you did it and the decision ended up basically being like i'm just going to quit for now because i don't think i can redo all of that this second but i'm getting my dog back so i'm gonna just close the game and not save it so that i can like commit this decision and then i'm gonna go move on and do something else for a while and then eventually i did go back to it but yeah i obviously had to get my dog back that was required obviously yeah okay are you ready to rumble another interesting thing just came up oh all right fine so you're

Starting point is 00:55:29 just not going to do the thing that i've spent this entire i'm ready and i will do it but i want to this is part of it actually half the show i got a notification saying that a device was added oh yeah you better believe it and it brought me out of the immersive experience and was like yo you should probably deal with this really quick and then the second i dealt with it it was like all right we're back that's pretty cool yeah all right um so here's a macbook okay it's probably been a while uh yeah um i don't know where okay so basically what do i close the thing that i'm in uh oh you can press the crown i actually don't like how much i end up interacting with the crown uh it's not a ton but the gesture navigation is so fluid and so i feel like there should be like a

Starting point is 00:56:15 do this and it closes whatever you're in or so much more natural that there is really does feel like and and you know what i i've been experiencing it pretty raw so far yeah so in between me getting all of my own impressions and writing the review i'm gonna go google a bunch of things so i'm gonna google every complaint that i had and i'm going to yeah i'm gonna learn a bunch more and i'm gonna go oh yeah that's so much better that would have helped so much so i haven't done that yet but figuring out how to get rid of a full screen experience is something that um i need to do or it needs to be better because so far the crown is the quickest easiest way to get out of it that i found so on that mac you should see a little connect button that just floats above it.

Starting point is 00:57:05 Yep. All right. So you just got to look at it and pinch. Whoa. I did it. You are now screen projecting. You can look down to the bottom edge and there's a bar. Just pinch and you can move your screen projection.

Starting point is 00:57:20 Resizing. To wherever you want. Oh, no, not the bottom corner. No, I know, I know. Bottom edge. Yeah, there you go. There we go i moved it i want to move it it's super cool and unless it's more than one display it's not good

Starting point is 00:57:32 enough not good enough yep this this feels like another one of those like the v2 of this is going to be insane type of things where like we're like yeah i literally immediately already want another screen just like and and i know some of this will be able to be solved with apps because as far as my understanding goes you can have this connected laptop screen and also other apps yes so like my if i'm in this ecosystem i guess apple music or whatever could be up on the side or you could have the safari browser running on the vision pro interest if you just needed a web browser that's pretty helpful yeah yeah i don't think that completely solves the multiple monitor thing but that helps a lot but your trackpad can go between those windows that's pretty the projected

Starting point is 00:58:14 mac one and the browser one oh yeah so that's a whole thing wow that's pretty good if if you can have safari running on this not taking up the screen that honestly that takes care of probably 90 of wanting a second monitor for me not 100 i still want another screen at least one and there's a lot of little quality of life things that obviously need to improve and are going to be improved like if you stop if you pull it off for one second and put it back on no no don't don't do it it's a big waste of time time to re-authenticate which it can do with your eyes you don't actually have to enter a pin once you've done that good though but sort of like if you're just like scratch scratch and put it back time to re-authent and then, time to reset up all your stupid windows. It can't authenticate through Iris scan?

Starting point is 00:59:12 No, no, it can. Okay. No, that's not the problem. The problem is, whatever workspace you had set up. That's pretty annoying. Time to put it all back. Yeah. No, they'll fix that.

Starting point is 00:59:20 I'm sure they're going to fix that. It would be nice if there was like a modes or scenarios thing or something or something so you could be like this is my like lounging at home scenario yeah so i want it to put my windows in these different places and stuff because needing to individually like all the time could be pretty annoying uh but this is the the screen on this is like yeah just insane it's so good yeah um so yeah and and i i did not find like if you try to watch a video you can really see it struggle a little bit yeah like it's definitely wireless and if there was a wired mode that would probably be smoother uh in apple's infinite wisdom they have not implemented that functionality so you can get a developer strap that i believe

Starting point is 01:00:05 can use a wire but no i actually know if i recall correctly no i don't think it can i think people are still kind of figuring out exactly what that thing is but it's usb2 only it's like 300 it's either 200 to 300 and it's also required to reset your password like it's a whole thing just it's just apple things very cool um anyway this is sweet yeah very cool it's pretty cool yeah the fact that it has a cable though and has absolutely no way to just plug in to a computer and transfer files off of it is deranged though yeah that one blows me away i was trying because i have more things you want me to do um no i think i think that's pretty cool i mean you've had you i think you've had a lot of the experience at this point i um i i have a lot of video yeah you look

Starting point is 01:00:56 awful i have a lot of video and photos on this that i was that i need to get off in order to do the review like i've got a lot of screen recordings and stuff and I was trying to figure out what's a fast way that I can do that because you know oh yeah is there a is there a this to usbc or something or is there like a you know if I pull this off is there is there a usbc port so no no it doesn't it's a computer with an m2 chip which tells you that it definitely has a usb3 controller for four that doesn't have a port because apple people figured well no you'll just do everything wirelessly um what if i don't want to what if i don't want to use airdrop yeah well then i guess you better buy more apple products it's typical you gotta be in the apple apple i talked about this in the short circuit but you

Starting point is 01:01:50 obviously haven't watched it um because you told me you haven't watched it that's why it's obvious yeah um i talked about this in the short circuit but probably the most apple So Apple, I love a lot of the things that they do. They obviously innovate, but they are so blatantly, brazenly hostile towards their own users that I just, I don't really understand why they put up with it. And the point that i made was this look at what apple includes on the front like feel it it's a nice cover yeah yeah i mean that's included that's great because it means that oh god yeah 3500 bucks that's usd isn't it yeah this is a five thousand dollar canadian device okay but like that's great right because it means if you you, you know, this is not something that fits in your pocket, right?

Starting point is 01:03:06 This is something you would have to actively carry around with intent, with purpose to use. And given that the battery life is in the couple of hours to, I think, up to three or four hours range, I haven't sat in it long enough to run out of battery. So I was going to rely on just like doing a benchmark or something to kind of figure that out. But it's, but it's in that, that fuse one hand of hours range.

Starting point is 01:03:33 If you are going anywhere, anywhere with it for any meaningful amount of time, you will also be carrying a charger, but it's great. It includes this because you would hate for this to get scuffed. Yeah. Guess what's not included some type of protection for the lenses apple doesn't do anything by accident why luke why did they include this cover but not this cover because if the front of the device got super scratched up and

Starting point is 01:04:05 everything that's what other people other potential buyers are going to see that will bother other people more well what are you going to do what are you going to do about the inside inside lenses the new ones i guess well apple sells a travel case that one will protect the inside lenses got it that makes sense so for everyone else we need to make sure the product looks its best yeah and we will take care of that we will make sure of that for you the person who actually bought it you just scared dad i'm not mad at you. For you, the person who actually bought it, go f*** yourself.

Starting point is 01:04:51 Buy more. It is... It is something that I don't understand how anyone cannot see. It's so transparent in their product design in their decisions in the way that they sure and how do you tolerate it how do you accept it um well i don't have my airpods on me that's actually very unusual i um anyway there's a couple of full-length comments airpods though yeah the airpods pros I, um, there's a couple of full-length comments. AirPods, though. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:25 The AirPods Pros. Think about how they look in your ears. What color are they? White? Yeah. How, how, describe the white. Pearly white? It's perfect.

Starting point is 01:05:40 Sure. It's pristine. Yeah. What do they look like when you open it up to use them? I don't have pros. Okay. Well, they have white silicone things that go into your ear canal. So tell me what color you think they are.

Starting point is 01:05:55 Yeah, those are going to get discolored real quick. Right. Yeah. So every time you, the user, go to look at the product that you paid $250 US for, it looks disgusting put in the ear looks great the only reason as far as i can tell that black airpods don't exist is because you the user who paid for them the white i'm sorry but i actually in your ear looks very iconic like i cannot because apple has absolutely done

Starting point is 01:06:25 products in other colors they have the whole that whole red thing that they've done phones have come in various colors for sure of course of course apple has done black max before um they they absolutely are willing to make things in other colors i think the white looks good the white looks great yeah for three days what if they had uh like the like black or any other color of the silicon tip thing what if they did they don't would that make you happy though uh yeah pretty much okay yeah yeah I would settle for that yeah cool yeah but it's one of those things that users have complained about for years and you know like the the charger on the bottom of the mouse, and they just don't care. Or repositioning icons on the home screen.

Starting point is 01:07:10 The fact that they just so brazenly, just so transparently give zero f***s whatsoever. It's bizarre. And the fact that they do not immediately get called out on this by absolutely everyone is baffling. Does the Quest have a protector thing?

Starting point is 01:07:34 The Quest doesn't cost $3,500. That's fair. And the Quest, again, Luke, doesn't come with the cover for the part that Apple cares about. it's not about you the person who actually paid for it it's about apple's priorities i don't know man i'm not i've decided at this point i've talked about it on one show i've talked about it in the short circuit i'm not going to really spend a lot of time on that in the review but it's just one of those things people

Starting point is 01:08:03 ask why do you hate apple i don't hate apple i like lots of their products what i hate is their attitude i hate how they just they are so openly hostile towards their users they are they are the they're and and the and this is one of those situations though where it's like the the open hostility that you don't like because i think there's a lot of stuff that other companies are doing in less communicative ways well it's also it's also the hypocrisy as or more evil it's also the hypocrisy oh there's no doubt in my mind there's lots of companies that are far more evil than apple let's talk nestling right like you don't have to go far competing companies like which which one's the one that um that basically was like yeah we yeah people were murdered it was basically by us but it wasn't in the united states it's outside of the jurisdiction

Starting point is 01:08:56 like that was their defense they never even claimed that i thought they didn't have people killed or something well let's not get this one wrong. That's a, yeah, that's a good point. Uh. I want to say it was some kind of beverage company. I thought it was a beverage company. It looks like it was, it looks like it was. It looks like it was coca-cola uh found an article from the guardian yeah and they they they uh try to push like that that isn't an admittance that we actually did this that was just a way to get it thrown out of court but it's like yeah yeah right but like if

Starting point is 01:09:41 you didn't do it maybe that would have been the better defense. You know, it might have been worth it just from a PR standpoint, if you didn't do it to fight that case that you didn't do it. So sure. I'm not going to say that Apple's the evilest company. Um, but what I will say is that Apple is the company that doesn't respect us enough to tell a believable lie. And I just don't understand why we tolerate that. Just tell me that you're not going to ship a charger in the box because you don't fucking want to. Just tell me that you want the box to be smaller because the logistics cost at the volume that you're doing,

Starting point is 01:10:20 the number of iPhones that you're shipping every year, just tell me that it's a huge savings don't tell me you're saving the earth you're not saving the earth you make decisions actively on every product cycle to destroy the earth faster you go out of your way to make it so that your products are less repairable so that they don't last as long, as cost-effectively. So then just don't say you do that. That's the other thing that just drives me absolutely up the wall. So how openly hostile they are,

Starting point is 01:10:56 how hard their users ride them in spite of that, and how not believable at all the lie that they tell me is at least have a good story pretend give me something we could all kind of get on board with and go okay yeah sure maybe even if i don't believe it 100 at least there's some grains of truth here just say we didn't want to spend you know 13 on a power brick for every iphone just say that you can even you can even win that like the i want the box to be smaller thing you can even win that with the logistics side because you're like we're trying to spend you know less fuel yeah or i mean this is a good one so with the with the charger one okay just just play play along a

Starting point is 01:11:41 little bit if they had said okay we're not including a charger this generation and drop the price by 20 bucks and then the next generation just put it back in, at least give us some time to forget or something. But they didn't. They took out the charger and they increased the price anyway. Like it did.

Starting point is 01:12:00 There was never a benefit. There's two comments in Philippine that i want to talk about before i forget them um zero transform this is more something for you he said make sure to check out the apple tv plus immersive videos it's mind-blowing how well they did 3d 180 no weird distortions in the scale is flawless sure maybe check that out and then handyman uh has said about 47 times um you should try quest three at 500 it offers much more albeit not that great display but at 500 it does a lot more than the vision pro it does a lot more depending on what you're trying to do if you want to play fitness games yeah you buy one of these, what are you, an idiot?

Starting point is 01:12:45 Yeah. That's not what it's for. Whereas if you buy a Quest 3 and what you want is to watch immersive video in extremely high quality and be more productive with your Mac. Yeah. Right? Like it's horses for courses. That feels like, from my experience so far the correct take uh what was that thing that i'm supposed to say nobody's wearing a quest 3 in

Starting point is 01:13:13 public oh the thing uh apple tv plus immersive video or something i i scrolled away from the i've got that on my list of experiences that I've also got, like someone apparently got, um, steam link working. And so like, there's a handful of things that are still on my list of stuff that I need to try, but I'm,

Starting point is 01:13:33 I'm definitely done with it. I'm especially done interacting with other people with this thing on like, yeah, the pass through is great and you've got the eyes and, you know, whatever. But you know, Apple has stated that their vision for

Starting point is 01:13:45 this product was that it wouldn't isolate you and that's just that's a complete swing and a miss it is utterly isolating um conducting an in-person meeting with somebody is just not cool with this thing you can you absolutely can but it serves no purpose for the interaction with other people for one thing i feel like that's almost like you're you're taking it too far like are they suggesting conducting an in-person meeting they can't do anything that i'm doing they can't see anything that i'm seeing and it has no benefit for me because i unless i have some kind of supplemental material that for whatever reason nobody else needs to see like i i might as well just look at what everyone else is looking at i want to address this really quick uh handyman is i think very upset about someone liking the

Starting point is 01:14:38 vision pro i might be projecting i'm not. But he said productivity is not good though. I don't think you can say that. Because if someone's like, I'm going to measure my productivity at my desk using my laptop versus at my desk using my laptop with my vision. Like, yeah, no. Who cares? The thing that people are talking about is when you're, if you're out and about, if you're on a train, if you're on a plane, if you're in an automobile. when you're if you're out and about if you're on a train if you're on a plane if you're in an automobile um and you're able to you're able to make the screen bigger and then still use your your keyboard and trackpad i can absolutely see this being a benefit for people in scenarios there's like no way that it isn't that would actually be mind-blowingly ridiculous in my

Starting point is 01:15:21 opinion if it wasn't in some scenarios but is it a productivity boon when you're sitting at your desk yeah probably not and it all depends on what your desk setup looks like sure at my desk i have a gigantic monitor already and you know what so back to my point where like i i've conducted a couple of script reviews using the vision pro which you remember how script review works we pull up the script um i drive but we have a lot of conversations about you know how can we tweak this to make this the best script that we possibly can well did you notice that your macbook goes black yeah when you this is what i'm saying though where like it feels like an inappropriate scenario like i just wouldn't use it you can't duplicate it yeah that's ridiculous you actually can't i we talked about this before you you should it should absolutely

Starting point is 01:16:05 default and i think it should default every time yes uh to screen completely blanked out i don't even think there should be a setting to change the default but you should be able to override it in the moment and be like no i want to have both of them showing so you know how we did i had my computer in front of me and i was using my keyboard and trackpad open on another and then i had a team's call and i was sharing the window with someone sitting next to me on their laptop so we were essentially conducting a virtual meeting in person yeah you can carry a battery bank of some kind or you can just plug it into your laptop yeah i feel like people are are making up shortcomings because it's really

Starting point is 01:16:47 expensive but you have to understand that it being really expensive is enough of a shortcoming and you have to understand that it being really expensive is a feature for certain people also that yeah it is an attention getter far more than probably any piece of technology that i have touched in the last 10 years like the folding phone that was that's a conversation starter huge conversation starter the second you walk up and unfold your phone and start doing something people are like well less now but especially in the first couple of years it was just something that people hadn't seen and i think it was also aided by the fact that it wasn't apple so nobody had even seen samsung's

Starting point is 01:17:26 marketing for it they just had no idea this was a thing that existed um this immediate attention getter you go anywhere you do anything with it people are going to hate it people are going to love it people are going to have feelings about it a hundred percent and for a lot of people the fact that it's exclusive the fact that it's expensive that's a good thing yeah that's a feature people like that that makes them stand out even more look at luxury goods it's what apple's been trying to be luxury luxury goods this whole time right so like just look at the luxury goods space the entire thing about it is exclusivity yeah i have it you don't it's not about i am cool it's not about how many the company will sell it's about

Starting point is 01:18:04 how few of them people can afford to buy. And then like Apple's, you know, because they're actually a technology company, a consumer electronics company, not a luxury goods company, they always get kind of torn, right? Because they create these things, but then they are subject to the same pressures

Starting point is 01:18:21 as the rest of the consumer electronics industry. So the pricing does have to make its way into, you know, somewhat affordable consumer land at some point, but this one's not there. This is very much a statement piece. I mean, it's the first new category they've actually introduced under Tim Cook's

Starting point is 01:18:36 leadership. I think like, has he started any AirPods? I'd say AirPods are a Tim Cook era smash hit. The watch is doing okay. The watch is doing okay. The watch is doing pretty solid. It feels like it's doing better than the other watches. But I don't think either of those are as big.

Starting point is 01:18:52 No. As big of a swing as this. No, this is a big deal. He said, what, there's 5,000 patents to bring this thing over the line or something like that. And this is something I've ended up getting into it with a couple people in the comments already, is people saying it's overpriced it's not overpriced do you have any idea how much this thing costs to develop what does overpriced mean this is this is the same this is the exact same problem with the whole streaming debate that we've had uh over the last little bit streaming debate

Starting point is 01:19:21 yeah because everyone's like uh streaming streaming you should pay creators more and companies should be super flush with money and it's like no they're all broke. Twitch doesn't make any money. Oh I see. What was even the one Microsoft had? I don't even remember anymore. A mixer. Mixer. Mixer like died hard because they were like

Starting point is 01:19:40 yeah we brought in a bunch of big streamers. People still didn't care and it just cost us a bunch of money let's get rid of it. And meta just cost us a bunch of money. Let's get rid of it. And Meta just has been deleting billions. Have they not? Yeah. Trying to work on VR? They're not making money.

Starting point is 01:19:57 They're not making money at all. Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't mean that it has to be like, oh, knowing that automatically makes it worth it for you. No, that doesn't mean that at all. But it does mean that like, yeah, it might make sense that it's actually pretty expensive. Yeah, I mean, it's not. Bomb cost is not everything.

Starting point is 01:20:15 You have to include R&D. R&D costs money. Yeah. Support costs money. Yeah. Marketing costs money. Paying developers to adopt their apps to this thing, which might be something that happens. I don know maybe with some really major developers not and believe it

Starting point is 01:20:29 or not you have to pay for the marketing that makes it yeah so more other people will buy it so that they can amortize the development costs over more units because at the end of the day the cost is all of the costs it's all it's all of them it can't just you can't just look at bomb cost it's not that simple yeah and it never will be yeah but guess what there's good news if you don't like the price you can just not buy one yes absolutely and this is another thing that i was just going to get into and i've talked about this a lot on wanshow and i'm going to bring it up again uh but you should criticize things for the right reasons and not for the wrong reasons because when you criticize things for the wrong reasons it makes that thing look better not worse it's actually super important people

Starting point is 01:21:22 screw this up all the time it's very easy to uh go after things that don't matter and then when you go after things that don't matter the people that are trying to defend it uh will ham on that and then you're not winning the game basically look so criticize legitimate things about it and don't just try to make stuff up. I know math is hard when you're an idiot. But look, if you're a broke boy, just say so. It's the Pokemon. I know. I know.

Starting point is 01:21:52 Oh, man. Wow. You're not a broke boy if you can't afford a Vision Pro. Most people shouldn't just be able to like magically afford a Vision Pro. $3,500 is a lot of money, especially American. Five grand. That's roughly five grand, right? Chad gets right which is which is nice it probably also helps so this is not my product and i'm not defending it i'm telling you guys i can't wait to stop using it yeah so this is 4720 canadian

Starting point is 01:22:16 i know like close to no one that just has that and like well i could just go randomly what did you enter in the in the calculator 3500 usd to cad oh well i mean don't you want any storage on it oh my goodness that's the 128 gig what really it comes with at 3500 us dollars yeah look at this face at 3500 us dollars it comes with 128 gigabytes do you know how much storage i bought it i bought a one i bought it hold on people have said 256 hold on hold on hold on i bought a two terabyte m.2 drive like on tuesday or monday for a hundred dollars i think line 256 it's 256 i'm sorry that's still ridiculous still ridiculous that's a lot better i was stunned that 128 could even like exist yeah i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry 256 is still bad that is 256 gigs

Starting point is 01:23:11 do you want to know how much another 256 gigabytes of storage will cost you they bump you to like four grand no not quite okay it will cost you two hundred dollars yeah and another another 512 will cost you another 200 so that's how you get to your 4k i was like there's gotta be a four thousand dollar device there's a four thousand dollar device ah the old apple ladder yep so we have a video coming soon where we built a pc pro because the the ever everyone knows that the current Mac pro is a meme. It's a Mac studio in a giant chassis for thousands of dollars more. Like it's absolutely completely ridiculous. So we did a video building a PC pro to compete with it,

Starting point is 01:24:02 where we take the same budget and we just absolutely wreck it. Like it's, it's not even funny. Last time we did a pc pro to compete with it where we take the same budget and we just absolutely wreck it like it's it's not even funny uh last time we did a pc pro it was tough the mac pro came out ahead in some cases because it was a really powerful machine and like apple has some good stuff but you know blah blah blah right this time around the thing's a joke like you can build such an overpowered monster that it just has absolutely no chance whatsoever. And one of the problems is that the storage costs so much. Elijah and I did the math. Guess what costs more per unit weight? Apple storage,

Starting point is 01:24:41 Apple NAND chips, or gold it isn't close is gold the cheapest one gold is cheaper that's fantastic that's a that's a yikes uh so sorry so how much is the lens protector the travel case thing so we grab a chunk of the gold controller that i didn't end up using because i needed an opening for wireless communication and we like weigh it next to an ssd that's like the same capacity and it's it's in the video i think we uh we played around with it a little bit like we uh 200 years um like the carrot of the gold that we were

Starting point is 01:25:28 using what didn't match something so we like we put a couple of weights under the ssd to make our point but then we we adjust we we account for it basically uh but they are they're they're similar or i shouldn't have said it wasn't close they're similar or uh or the gold is cheaper um what was i what was i gonna say there was another thing real quick here uh and yeah the gold the gold's a better investment um shoot i was about to say something ah i missed it sorry no you were gonna say something yeah i'm trying to total together like if if you wanted to trick yours out because i mean you're you know you're spending 3 500 usd on it anyways oh that's right it's a couple hundred bucks so yeah someone someone i i haven't

Starting point is 01:26:12 found this to corroborate but somebody said uh it so it's it's 38.99 to get the one terabyte version yep 3 900 baby compared to 34.99 uh and then you throw on 499 us dollar apple care yes i mean you just spent four grand on a device you might as well protect it oh there's a deductible by the way for accidental damage on this one apple care is not apple care on this one and then and then you want to get your travel case because the best use case scenario as we've been saying isn't just sitting at your desk it's when you're out and about so you also need the travel case which is what 250 bucks usd don't forget that if you have any any kind of corrective lenses you'll need to pay extra for the corrective lens insert so you could get to 4000 just for the

Starting point is 01:27:01 headset itself okay so one terabyte with corrective lenses let's say you've got some corrective lenses and you go for one terabyte and it's four grand uh then it's forty seven hundred and fifty dollars to honestly like properly set up your one terabyte with corrective lenses vision pro because the travel case maybe there's gonna to be third party ones almost certainly there's going to be third party ones that you can get uh but you like should i don't know yeah maybe if apple care isn't as good as it normally is maybe oh does apple care all have deductibles has that always been the case i don't think so i don't think it used to when did that's hilarious i've never got apple care because i haven't bought any expensive apple devices um but people that are into apple stuff all tell me that it's really good

Starting point is 01:27:50 has that always been a thing oh for accidental damage there's always been a deductible okay all right that's good to know yeah i've personally damage that makes sense i've personally never bought apple care before but it's uh but it's cheaper so only for accidental damage or loss okay yep that's good to know thank you very much guys i also want a a laptop to go with mine i don't have a macbook oh yeah okay but that's a that's a dangerous argument and that's one that i actually i strongly object to i mean we talked about this dan optimistically just trying to move the show along with his little signs we haven't even done merch messages yet dan take that away take that we'll do sponsors later we did we did no no we didn't we didn't explain them and stuff oh yeah i was just stalling for time yeah um so to bring up a previous controversy when i talked about the ps portal i had people

Starting point is 01:28:53 saying well the price is so much because to even use it you need a playstation i don't think sony ever positioned the ps portal as a device for people who don't already own a PlayStation. And in much the same way, I don't think Apple is positioning this device as something for people who don't already have a Mac. I don't think they are explicitly saying, unless you have a Mac, you might as well not buy it. But the fact that they have a facial scan that requires you to have a relatively recent iPhone in order to even go through the checkout i think they've made their point clearly enough if you don't have a mac and you want to jump into this ecosystem you need corrective lenses you want the one terabyte version you're going to get the travel case you're going to get apple care okay if you if if all these things line up uh you're you're a cool 7250 us dollars in the

Starting point is 01:29:48 hole yeah that's one heck of a trip to the apple store and that's gonna happen oh yeah 100 i guarantee you 100 i mean on a payment plan but make sure you get your apple credit card yeah i i saw the numbers recently the the number of transactions going through on Apple's credit card are, whoo-wee, they're apparently doing okay. I think whatever bank they collaborated with wanted out of it or something. I've been sort of only barely peripherally following it, but. Interesting. People have Apple credit cards, apparently.

Starting point is 01:30:17 So that's a thing. Oh, did they dissolve the credit card? Okay, there you go. Apparently it's dead. Cool. What? Goldman Sachs wants out goldman oh okay there you go okay so i think they still have apple pay though no they definitely still have apple pay uh someone says no it's not dead i still know yeah it's not dead on the vision pro there's a thing finance apple card monthly payment yeah goldman wants out though i guess i guess whatever deal apple negotiated with them is not doing it well

Starting point is 01:30:49 for them and i think goldman also wants to go back to being more uh like investment bank and less like consumer business or something like that i don't know it was a while back got it um they're leaving retail banking entirely they just want to deal with rich people yeah fair enough all right i think this is the point in the show where we're supposed to explain merch messages and do a couple the way to interact with the show is not to buy a vision pro we actually get none of that that goes all straight to apple if you get one though you should watch the show using it yeah yeah and then apparently you're a baller so you should probably buy some merch so the way to interact with the show is through a merch message.

Starting point is 01:31:25 All you got to do is go to LTT store.com. Check out our new black nine to five polo or a couple of our new graphic teas, a screwdriver, a backpack, whatever it is you're into. Hey, did I mention the LTT backpack has lots of space in the compartment of holding for your Apple vision pro as well as your Mac book and your iPad and all that. So it's actually like unironically kind of awesome for carrying around the vision pro and all the accessories that you need for it it's got pockets for everything we were way ahead of the curve on this one

Starting point is 01:31:54 oh this is even better check this out luke um here we go so with the with the vision pro our cargo pants our upcoming cargo pants have a perfect pocket for the battery bank uh uh that's pretty sick anyway um what was i talking about right merch messages in the cart you will see a little box yes cart right checkout crap i don't know somewhere you just go through the checkout in the cart you'll see a little box when we're live you can leave a merch message it'll go to our producer dan there he is he will either reply to it forward to it forward it to someone who can help you or he will curate it for me and luke to talk about on the show dan do you want to show them how it works a couple curated ones yeah i got lots here let's do it yo dll the hardest

Starting point is 01:32:45 choice of my childhood was who to sacrifice at the end of this one we did oh i must have been out of the room i'm so sorry you gotta you gotta archive them what else sorry i forgot i was really busy trying to troubleshoot something no i did oh yep we're good all right this is not how it normally works uh yo dll i work for an msp doing tier one and voice over ip i love coding and automation as a hobby but when i try to make some work related the higher ups seem to uh kind of prefer the hard or long way around any suggestions oh i mean oh man i'm gonna sound so jaded and cynical right now but like dude yeah man i one of the conversations that drove me out of ncix was when i popped into the president and ceo's office who was not taryn it was a different different person i had three bosses there and what i've realized over the years is that in the

Starting point is 01:33:42 interest of keeping them semi-anonymous i've always just said my boss at ncx whenever i talk about any of them so i'll tell a story or someone will encounter an old story that i told about my boss at ncix and like a super stupid thing they did and they'll be like why'd you hire him then okay there were multiple different people so this particular boss um did a lot of things right i did a lot of things like i'm about to tell you um i think my way of describing this to people at the time um when i was talking about how frustrated i was was um it felt like arguing with someone who was using moon logic um because we had an issue some new graphics card had launched uh i want to say it was 5770 or something like that i don't know whatever it doesn't matter some amd graphics card launched and 5 570 no i don't

Starting point is 01:34:33 remember it doesn't matter the point is um that part number okay that or that string of digits happened to have an issue where it was extremely common in UPC codes for PCs and electronics. In particular, some graphics cards, especially XFX. So when you searched for it, you would get one or two real results that happened to be XFX Radeon cards that happened to be in the upc code as well as in the model number and part number and then you'd get some other random graphics cards and then a bunch of other random stuff because the way that our search engine worked on ncix.com it would not prioritize it would not prioritize product description this was so annoying or part number

Starting point is 01:35:26 over upc this was so for a partial match yeah because it was only a partial match of the upc but it was a full match of the description and also a partial match but a more complete partial match of the part number right so i popped my head into the office and i was like hey we need to seriously i like if you want to return a search result for a upc like by all means someone might have a barcode scanner at a full replenishment station or something and they scan a upc and they might expect a result um no problem but we need to stop returning results for partial upcs and he like grabbed something on his desk and he goes well what if i would want to buy one of these and i looked at this and i

Starting point is 01:36:09 typed part of it and i pressed enter and i'm like why the f**k would anyone do that no one on the planet i i bet you that happened less than five times that one person probably just to prove a point did it at least once or twice and no one else ever did it again and he basically goes and i'm like right but no one does that and he's like well how do you know and i go because that doesn't make any sense it's a human nobody would ever do that yeah you're partial you know product name sure partial partial part number i mean god maybe maybe you would want to return a result for every evga gpu that has a lifetime warranty so you would do a search for asterisk dash a r you know which which was the suffix like i could come up with some conceivable reason someone might do that with a part number maybe with a up f**king c are you kidding me

Starting point is 01:37:05 absolutely not they're unique identifiers for every product yeah and i was basically sent out of the office and told go put together a presentation go do research on how everyone else's search engines work and whether they do or do not return results for a f**king course they don't because it's stupid and i have to put together like a presentation for this like this is utter waste of my time why do i why exactly do i work here that was that was one of the the big pivotal moments that and the other story that i tell all the time were like the two huge ones that i kind of went how do i how do i do this anymore i i can't be putting together a common sense presentation

Starting point is 01:37:46 for people who are supposed to be smarter than me. So I guess what I'm trying to say is it never ends. Because when you start your own company and you have a whole bunch of people working for you, if you know anything about leadership and empowerment, you are going to empower people to do things and they're going to do it moonway anyway in spite of the fact that supposedly they work for you or whatever and you're going to have to explain it and reach a consensus because if you just come in

Starting point is 01:38:16 and be a dictator then well you're just a dick um so it never ends. And you probably don't have any taters either. No, I got lots of taters. Oh, nice. Yeah, we've got the potato PC coming. Oh, yeah. It's pretty funny. Okay. So I'm so sorry.

Starting point is 01:38:35 It never ends. Until you said that, I forgot this was even a merch message. Yeah. Hello, L, cool L and D. As a cybersecurity professional, I have seen people disregard security too much. What has been the worst you've seen so far? Also, remember to audit sharing links in Teams. Well, I think when we had Justine and Wendell

Starting point is 01:39:00 on the Perpetual WAN Show doc, that's the worst thing ever. That's such a security rule. Well, it's the worst thing ever that's that's such a security we've seen today what if you guys missed the pre-show you're telling a story that most people don't have context for so we we figured out that i justine and level one techs wendell justine from i justine and wendell from level one techs um are shared on the perpetual wan show doc uh and some people were like oh my god you have to fix that it's a security hole and i'm like it doesn't matter if they change something and then someone

Starting point is 01:39:29 brought up a much more decent point which is like what if their account gets compromised and then someone could access this and i'm like yeah it still doesn't matter it's just it's just a wan show doc we can restore it to its previous state instantaneously and they're gonna secretly find some tech news yeah it doesn't matter it should be fine most egregious thing i don't know people take pictures of their keys and post on social media all the time even techie people it's crazy okay devil's advocate by the time someone's at your front door, the key doesn't f***ing matter. It still totally does. Why?

Starting point is 01:40:10 No evidence, break and entry, stuff like that. Yeah, I mean... I feel like that's a really CSI is real kind of answer because realistically every keyhole on earth is so i think it's completely scuffed anyway you're not going to be able to look at it and be like oh it looks like somebody mine's in good state sure i don't come home drunk you live in an apartment building though i mean come on like yeah i think it I think it depends on the intent of... Did I detect some judginess?

Starting point is 01:40:48 So you're saying you don't come home when you get drunk? Oh my goodness. No, I think it depends on the intent on the person who's trying to get into your house. Sure. If they're attempting something violent like yeah it doesn't make a difference to break the door down uh if they're attempting to steal all your stuff yeah it probably doesn't make a difference but if they're trying uh something sneaky deaky like then planting a tracker or a microphone or a camera or whatever else yeah okay but then you

Starting point is 01:41:21 know let's come let's come back to if somebody wanted to do that badly enough, what is actually probably easier? Social engineering? I would also think... Or like just casually like reverse pickpocketing, whatever that's called, where they just like drop something in your purse or in your pocket. I don't know that anybody does that. Like, or I mean, realistically, in this day and age, couldn't they just grab a drone and drop a microphone down your chimney?

Starting point is 01:41:43 Like, honestly, though. Seriously, though. How do people have open chimneys i mean it's a thing okay it's a totally a thing all right you wouldn't even have to put it down the chimney i mean there's listening devices that you can get it freaking the spy store on broadway that you could just aim at someone's house and basically hear anything anyone's saying in there like it's just it does get pretty brutal i i think that the picture of the key is an active motivator so you're saying it's kind of like opening the door yes um you're going like oh here's something you could do you could 3d print this and break it in my house ha ha ha and i think people will do it because of that yeah but if they have a malicious intent i i think that will like genuinely give people malicious i don't know man it's it's less work to get a gun in many

Starting point is 01:42:32 states than it is to go 3d print a key if you don't know anything about 3d printing people it's going to be less work to get a gun and if you do know a lot about 3d printing then you could just 3d print a gun like that's my point is i just i don't think that this barrier of this to acquire ammunition of this lock is i i don't think it's particularly meaningful yeah especially when you have windows i i just like yeah yeah if you had a mac on the other hand you'd be fine but everyone sad pal um it's covered in cables you can just cut a key once you have the picture that's my whole point yeah that's what luke is saying i'm just saying it doesn't really matter because if you wanted to get through someone's door like lock picking kits are legal and practically free

Starting point is 01:43:17 yeah yeah like i kind of want to learn how to do it just for fun i have all the stuff Yeah. Like, I kind of want to learn how to do it just for fun. I have all the stuff. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. I have a range of practice locks. I'm sure you do. Whatever picks you'd want to use. Nothing you're saying surprises me at all. So, yeah, no problem.

Starting point is 01:43:41 Whenever you want to figure it out. Yeah, for sure. Dan, do you want to give us one more sure should come to our team building exercise yeah we did that you guys did lock picking yeah we did so i buried the i mean the how i held the shovel i don't know we do we do ours are ours are skills themed so we hang out in in the workshop and people bring in different projects that they might have or things that they could teach each other and we just do that. We do those things.

Starting point is 01:44:12 So Dan was painting something? I got a high-end airbrush for the first time. And Sean and I were working on lockpicking and next time Sean wants to do something with Lego and I'm probably going to build one of Tynan's CO2 sensors. Very cool yeah i'll teach you how to solder proper that would be sweet that'd be sick i've done it before but i'm gonna i'm almost certainly terrible solder yeah you're terrible yeah you're worse than me and i'm terrible yeah i make you good one evening is a good great yeah yeah that'd be it would be nice to learn yes hello.dll it was brought up in a pre-show but why does lmg utilize microsoft's

Starting point is 01:44:46 business ecosystem not google's where's apple in this market how would it be different i think wow i kind of wanted the end of this like how would apple's i don't think yeah i don't think that we could have scripted this any better good good job dan that was the perfect merch message to finish up our conversation about apple so first i guess luke should go on his thing for anyone who wasn't on the pre-show talking about why it exists why exactly it is that we subscribe to three different business ecosystems and pay for all of that yeah so this was this was a long long rant that i went on in the pre-show so if you're subscribed to flow plane or uh

Starting point is 01:45:25 there's other roads to get it but i don't have to tell you um you can just find it on twitch wait no there's no vaude on twitch right yeah get wrecked um but uh essentially the the short form is that microsoft covers everything in the workspace more or less but it kind of has like b tier versions of all of it for the most part some of the some of them are the best i will give them that but for a lot of it it's mostly like b c tier versions of it um i don't think teams is the best team communication app um i think slack leaves a lot to be desired but i think it's better than teams um i don't think one drive is the best like company drive app would you sharepoint just i but i think it's better than teams um i don't think one drive is the best like company drive app would you sharepoint i know i think google drive is easier to use um i also think

Starting point is 01:46:12 that the one drive like apps like the uh web versions of like word and excel and stuff like that are not as good as like google docs google sheets stuff like that google docs collaboration has gotten really good it's very very yeah i can't find anything in my drive no once i find it man can i ever collaborate oh yeah yeah so like if you want the best collaborative word doc editing you want g suite um and it's probably going to cost you more in like annoyance dealing with Microsoft word online, whatever one drive stuff than it would be to have G suite. So then you just have G suite,

Starting point is 01:46:51 but then our whole, we have all three of them situations. We don't have Slack for the whole company. We just have Slack for the developers. And then teams is for the rest of the company because Teams is just getting the entire Microsoft suite is like cheaper than getting Slack, basically. So we have Microsoft for the rest of it because we get Teams and we also get, you know, local apps for like Word and Excel and stuff. And there's people on the team that absolutely need the massive powerhouse that is local Excel. And there's

Starting point is 01:47:25 some other good things in the microsoft 365 business license um so we have that and then for developers we also have slack and the whole thing is just ridiculous and it's very annoying um if if google could get could figure it out and start making things that they don't abandon and could actually make a business chat app, which I, I have no idea. And I've, I even know people that work there and I haven't asked any of them. I bet you they have their own internal system for communications and they just like,

Starting point is 01:47:55 don't share it with other people. I bet you that's a thing. They have so many internal tools. It's insane. I bet you they have a chat one and I wish they would just include it with Google workspace because Google chat is not acceptable. There's a reason why like basically no one uses it um it's because it's not acceptable man it's been so annoying the way they've been like kind of shoving it down my throat like anytime i want to share something on android i click on gmails like you do you want to

Starting point is 01:48:20 use chat no i don't want to use chat no you me, you kept, you told me you were going to deprecate this like eight times. Yeah. And so I switched off of it. Yeah. We used Hangouts. Yes. As a company, we used Hangouts and it was like kind of weird, but it worked. Well, the best thing about it was that when you searched, it searched everything.

Starting point is 01:48:37 Yes. It searched your drive, your email and your chats. And so once we switched off of it, we kind of adapted to the inconvenience of having to search, you know know these various places and now there's no way that we'd go back to it because apparently they do use google chat says karate swan yeah there's going to be some people but it's like they almost like the developers almost certainly would use like slack or something right i haven't used google chat in a long time but i strongly believe so yeah um i mean i mean who knows google meet uh is like excellent google meet is great just works i mean i don't know what version of it i'm using but it

Starting point is 01:49:09 seems to be mostly good we we have switched to using teams for all of our meetings because the calendar invites were getting confusing for people and people wanted to use teams because they're saying that the transcription is better and stuff i haven't tested them against each other i will say having switched to using teams for meetings more often it is definitely clunkier overall than meat it might still be worth using for a variety of reasons i'm not sure i don't know um but yeah so here's why i wanted to talk about this one of the realizations that i've had in my admittedly just about dropped it uh admittedly limited time with the apple vision pro so far is that apple needs to figure out what the heck they want to do they're a hardware company they're a services company but they don't want to build

Starting point is 01:50:02 their services to the point where it compromises their ability to be a hardware company but they don't want to build their services to the point where it compromises their ability to be a hardware company but they're clearly making a transition and the thing that made this stand out to me was in the apple marketing for the vision pro i keep coming back to this they've got that lady that's packing for a trip right and she gets a call on facetime and the whole thing is so seamless and so cool. And it's like, right. But there is one person in my entire life who uses FaceTime. Absolutely every single other person that I interact with is via WhatsApp, Facebook microsoft teams discord quite literally anything other than facetime and so what i what i realized as i was sitting in the apple vision pro thinking about how on earth i interact with anybody outside of this thing was apple's gonna have to decide. At some point, are they actually... Because this is not a consumer product.

Starting point is 01:51:08 It is, but it also... The second you go to that price point... It also isn't. This is a professional tier product. I mean, it has pro right in the name, which admittedly is pretty meaningless at this point, especially for Apple. But it really is.

Starting point is 01:51:24 But it really is but it really is most useful for me so far as a as a productivity tool or at least i can see the most clear path to using it every day at work not not in not in not in my my leisure time um and what i realized was the biggest thing holding back apple is the apple ecosystem which is sort of an ironic thing to say but imagine for a second true imagine for a second if facetime was cross-platform would that make a difference to your willingness to use this for work every day? If people could just call you

Starting point is 01:52:10 via corporate comms, I mean, FaceTime... But it can just call you with Teams. Maybe, as long as there's a Teams app and as long as it's not a steaming pile of garbage. I was using Teams on my laptop. So I was using Teams on my laptop and projecting my laptop screen to someone else

Starting point is 01:52:28 while also projecting it in front of my MacBook. It's super clunky. No, it's awful. It's a terrible experience. But if I could just, with how seamless FaceTime is, just have people on my call stack up and the whole thing just worked,

Starting point is 01:52:44 man, that would be amazing all of a sudden i'd be like okay let's all just get macbooks not quite you know we're talking a few generations into this thing but i think i and you know what people there's going to be a lot of people who don't agree i think have you tried to invite someone who doesn't have an Apple device to FaceTime you? No, you can invite anyone to join you in a FaceTime call. Even people who don't have an Apple device, they can join you in a one-on-one and group FaceTime calls from their browser.

Starting point is 01:53:19 No login is necessary. They need to have the latest version of either Chrome or Edge. So tell me something. would you roll out slack if that was how it worked if you could only if you could invite people but they like couldn't call you like come on oh i see so that's how it would have to work okay okay yeah so that's so that's what i'm that's what i'm saying is i think that's lame i think there's an opportunity there though because nobody hates facetime nobody hates i message yep this is clearly a piece of hardware that could be just awesome for that kind of use i think there are plenty of workspaces that just only have max though sure there are but what about all of the other ones yeah yeah i don't know i would

Starting point is 01:54:11 seriously consider i would seriously consider paying apple as a services company even though i don't necessarily have a ton of interest in deploying their hardware we already do which is sick but would you would you would you consider facetime iMessage if they had a little bit of genuinely zero experience with iMessage i have never used it it's fine the way that it handles fine for corporate communications it would be fair channels and stuff the way it handles group chats is pretty good there's definitely some things that it would that it would need oh just like even mentioning group chats you're just like triggering me about how frustrating teams is to use we we have this infrastructure call that we do every monday and thursday at 11 whatever it doesn't matter um multiple myself and sean we can't join it it'll show up like aj will start the call it'll show up and say the call has ended and there's no there isn't even an option to join

Starting point is 01:55:15 like slack sometimes there might be some problem with the notification or whatever but you can just click the join button anyways the huddle button and even if there's nothing there it shows that no one's in the call it'll put you in the call and then it'll detect all the people so you can like force your way in even if it's acting weird uh but for teams it just no you just can't join so you have to completely close teams and load it again for it to work i i hate how communicating in teams teams within teams another very annoying naming thing but in the team's side it's very frustrating um so almost all communication that i end up having ends up happening in group chats anyways it's like what's the point i i don't know teams is very frustrating i don't know i don't

Starting point is 01:56:02 know it was just it was kind of a random thought that i had i haven't articulated it particularly well i think apple's standing in their own way by tying their software to their hardware i also think though that one of the reasons why they have so many diehard users that are going to buy stuff like this is because they have this walled ecosystem sure but they could also have the experience be enhanced by their own hardware they could they could create extra value for their users through their hardware this is not an acceptable solution for people to keep rather than have a gun to their user's head buy our hardware or you get nothing it's just it's a very very different philosophy it's a very different approach and i think that it's one that

Starting point is 01:56:40 requires some serious thought over there do we want to be a hardware company forever or do we want to be a solutions provider microsoft is growing like crazy right now oh yeah microsoft is absolutely winning it's absolutely wild in like everything they're doing basically except maybe xbox even xbox i think they're playing a pretty long game here yeah like all the acquisition stuff apparently they're in hot water right now over how many activision blizzard people were let go after the acquisition obviously they were going to do that but i guess they were like they said it was already planned and honestly a lot of those ips have been floundering pretty hard for a long time so it's not too surprising um i i kind of buy it to a certain degree. Why is Discord not acceptable?

Starting point is 01:57:27 Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Do you want to be here all night, guys? Just ignore the myth.

Starting point is 01:57:35 Don't ask them that. I'm asking you that. No. All right, Luke. It's just not. Okay? There are things that discord does extremely well and this is one of the reasons why i'm so frustrated about how expensive slack is because slack has a lot of the same features but is really expensive and discord's free um but the

Starting point is 01:58:00 the calling on discord is fantastic uh The channel organization is honestly really good. How permissions are handled, awful. Everything you've said so far is arguments for it. I say we switch. You know what? Sure. Let's do it. No, it's a terrible idea.

Starting point is 01:58:19 How permissions are handled, I understand it's very convoluted, but it's really powerful. And considering in Slack, something that you would hate about Slack so much, Slack is entirely voluntary with how you join channels for the most part. So you can put people in groups, which is terribly handled, but you can put people in groups to give them default channels but they can just join any open channel that they want and anyone can make a channel so you can't make it so people can't make channels uh that might be a permission i don't know i've okay because if you just have like a bazillion private random channels but the the main way that this manifests in in a bad way is that organization of those channels is on the user there you go the other ones like people are saying you can sure whatever cool that's fine that part i don't actually care about the part that i actually care about is that the organization

Starting point is 01:59:19 of it is on the user users cannot be trusted to do that insane and i pretty much guarantee like no one has really done it i i've done it to a certain degree but i'm sure mine could be better i would care a lot more about doing it really well if i knew it would positively impact other people on the team as well whatever um anyways discord does that extremely well um there's a lot of things that it does really well. It's authentication and sign into the server is like not cool on a company level. It's like, there's a lot of different things

Starting point is 01:59:57 about how you use it and how it flows. This all sounds like vague posty nonsense. Really designed around very social gamery type of communication and not very business communication uh there's too much stuff that is very informal there's how do we keep people from joining like weird servers uh how do you audit things you can't audit anything like at all the the user control for it is like really not great because it's designed for these open networks of people like it's just it's not designed for company stuff it's really good it would probably be the best one if it was corporate focused or if they had a corporate focused mode i honestly believe that discord could be the best company communication right because the fundamentals are really really strong

Starting point is 02:00:51 but then they just don't have some of the business businessy things like can can we have single sign-on with microsoft or google so that everyone can have one unified login no that's actually very very important for a lot of businesses. There are businesses out there that will not use a service unless it has SSO. Which is just straight up a thing. Yep. Like managing credentials across dumb, dumb users is such a nightmare. Yeah. Like it, it actually totally.

Starting point is 02:01:20 Yeah. People in chat are saying like my, my company's one of them. SSO is huge. Yeah. So like not having these, these these fairly fundamental extremely corporate businessy things which it doesn't need at all for what its actual main goal is as a as a piece of software but not having them makes it not really work for businesses very well um yeah there you go good job what are we supposed to be doing right now dan oh cool okay uh well the show is brought to you today by grammarly wait really oh okay

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Starting point is 02:05:55 not that well the the kind of uneditability is like oh there's so many ways around that so many ways luke sometimes things weren't made for you did you ever stop to consider that no everything should be made for me it's like a zip file but if it was a word document yeah why is that helpful because it has a picture in it and you can look at the picture uh but it's a word document and not a zip file. Yep. So it's like, I want to, I want to share a lossless image. It's like, it's like a printer. Yeah. It's a digital printer.

Starting point is 02:06:31 There. There you go. All right. Yeah. And it's like, just like a printer, it's sh**. But I just, I think, I think they're massively overused. I think people using them, uh, in the name of they're massively overused i think people using them uh in the name of security are massively overestimating uh the amount of security and i think as humans do

Starting point is 02:06:52 they'll be like ah yes i use thing for security therefore things secure right and it ends up just being security theater elijah's all concerned that you pdf isn't going to sponsor us anymore because luke's ripping into pdfs no no no his attitude towards pdfs is exactly why they exist because dealing with pdfs sucks yeah no i i've heard great things about you pdf i i were the sponsor segment is done and he does the readings anyways so i don't need to say this luke gets paid the same regardless 100 but i've heard great things about them i just they're man they're such a pain all right what do you want to talk about how about canada banning the flipper sure canadian minister of innovation science and industry francois philippe champagne announced a ban on consumer hacking devices

Starting point is 02:07:49 including the flipper zero in response to concerns over car theft the ban is likely in response to recent online videos purporting to show cars being stolen using flippers and similar devices however it's worth noting that these videos are in often are often staged to get views yeah according to the maker of the flipper zero the device can't be used to hijack cars produced after the 1990s because their security systems have rolling codes that can only be used once a wannabe thief would not only need to be close enough to the fob to capture the code they would also have to block the code from reaching the car because it would immediately expire.

Starting point is 02:08:28 The Flipper Zero lacks the hardware capacity to block such a signal. Notoriously, young car thieves, known as the Kia Boys, were able to steal cars using information found in viral videos because some U.S. manufacturers didn't install standard anti-theft immobilization devices and thus their cars could be started with a usb cord or a screwdriver but that is nothing to do with the flipper zero yeah canada likes to do this we just like ban stuff because something happened and it's often the wrong thing it's like it's like if I pushed Linus and Linus was like, Ah, Dan is banned.

Starting point is 02:09:07 Like, what? Finally. Finally. Okay, I don't think it's quite like that. When was I going to get cancelled? The point is that our politicians are just like your politicians. Yeah. Unqualified.

Starting point is 02:09:22 Unsupervised. Yeah. It's basically the same everywhere yep our this is our minister of innovation science and industry and look it's not like i don't understand why we might have um you know a discomfort with devices that market themselves as hacking devices. I mean, I think hacking has a pretty negative connotation. And if, you know, Flipper wanted to not be banned, you know, they would have been wise to stay more underground

Starting point is 02:09:58 and more, you know, only for people in the know. But obviously they sell a lot more Flipper Zeros this way. So it's a balancing act and clearly they they they've their notoriety has has gotten too great and someone you know had to do something please think of the children but on the other hand you've got to understand what you're doing when you're the minister of innovation science and industry you just banned a computer yeah yeah like actually uh especially because doesn't the wording get like super rough too it's like electronic device with like wireless signals or something like isn't it like every every cell phone ever like at that point any android phone that you can install side-loaded apps on

Starting point is 02:10:47 is a hacking device? What the f*** are you talking about? If you have a laptop with Linux installed, how could you? Ban Arch. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's still legal for me to have mine, but it's not legal to sell buy or use them so i

Starting point is 02:11:08 can no longer use my flipper zero you just have the device put on a shelf even though i could a little case even though i could literally do anything that i could do with a flipper zero with something else if someone gets arrested just for having kali linux installed on their laptop like do we do we protest what i suspect what i suspect is this is the kind of thing where they've made it illegal so that if the cops catch someone other thing on catch someone doing something nefarious with it it's really quick and easy for them to take it and prosecute it I think that there's

Starting point is 02:11:50 a lot of plausible deniability in the kind of pranks that people are pulling with flipper zeros you know you're walking past Tesla's popping open charging covers it's like I don't know that could have been caused by anything whereas now they can just take it so I kind of

Starting point is 02:12:05 i do understand the convenience but i also think that there's a lot of potential for overreach if i'm walking around with a raspberry pi plugged into a battery bank in my pocket do they take that i if i remember correctly under the way that the law is written like they totally could they could also just take your phone and anything else i i need to look it up like what about pen testing do i can i get a license to carry one yeah it's actually very likely that um canada in general is just going to become less secure because of this and in informed actors are always going to have a way to get the thing that they want well yeah i mean it's not freaking hard. Man, you can buy freaking cell phone jammers on AliExpress. They're just openly available.

Starting point is 02:12:52 They're very illegal to buy and own and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's not like you can't get them. It's not like I can't get firecrackers in Canada. Are you kidding me? Yeah. Oh, no, what is Jake talking about disclaimer very illegal what is he talking about oh he's probably just talking about jammers yeah yeah i think i know i'm gonna tell them it's illegal i know they're illegal yeah um the point is the point is if i wanted one if i wanted if i wanted nighttime

Starting point is 02:13:22 at our house to mean cell phones off nighttime don't use your cell phone then i could do that i would get a call it's illegal i mean once i turned it off i would also make one what are they gonna do like ban soldering irons my phone's like flipping hot and my battery just died. Woo. Yeah. It was doing something. Yeah, it was doing something. Anyway, whatever it was.

Starting point is 02:13:54 I was probably trying to get a signal from the jammer that Dan turned on. Or maybe he was using a flipper zero to hack my phone. I don't really know what else to say about this other than this is spectacularly stupid. It does absolutely nothing to address the problem. You need to actually find the problem the problem is that device security is not being taken seriously enough by the companies that make them that is the problem if you wanted to ban any device that doesn't support rolling codes or a certain level of encryption or you know what whatever feature it is that we all use devices like the flipper zero to i identify um you know things that work versus things that are

Starting point is 02:14:31 vulnerabilities like if you wanted to ban anything that doesn't meet a certain standard for security sure yeah i'd uh yeah i'd be totally down i get behind that 100 but this is like man i don't even i don't even know what to compare this to this is it's just dumb it's also it's just not gonna solve the problem it's like banning hammers because somebody used them to break into a house like no hammers have lots of legitimate uses and the fact that someone can use it to break into a house doesn't mean that they couldn't just use a mallet next time like there's no point banning the hammer yeah we still need to drive nails and they could just use a chain so it doesn't matter they could throw anything through a window yeah ban rocks no rocks

Starting point is 02:15:15 allowed excavate the whole country yeah so anyway i know that our our poor friends in america you know probably feel like punching bags the the number of times we've talked about american politicians and how spectacularly stupid they are on this show oh there's so many dumb canadian um but guys you know we uh we we patriotically criticize our country too don't worry we are just as stupid as interesting most of the time yeah eu though chad's doing good i mean they do bad stuff apparently flipper zero is banned in i know they're not part of the eu anymore but they're in europe uh apparently flipper zero is banned in the uk okay yeah but like the uk has made one

Starting point is 02:15:56 terrible decision after another for quite quite a period of time yeah i mean when was the last time that the sun didn't set on the brit Empire? How's that going for you guys? And that's how wars are started. Oh, man. Yeah, I don't know. This is just ridiculous. Anyone that actually wants to use them for nefarious things will still be able to get or make them. No problem. Even with them banned.

Starting point is 02:16:24 That's been proved with things forever drugs alcohol guns whatever you want to ban whatever you want to modulate however you want to do it people that want it are still going to get it um if you were going to use this to steal a car you were already committing grand theft auto i don't think you really care about i happen to have electronic device law um so yeah way to go you're just hurting people that are curious about technology and not accomplishing anything do we have better news is there good news i don't know maybe uh well not that uh sony back button oh yeah correction from last week i criticized sony for not having uh the ability to move the back button on their android skin to the right side like samsung uh this doesn't appear to be entirely sony's fault although they could

Starting point is 02:17:18 definitely fix it if they really wanted to as pointed out by michelle ramen it appears that sony engineers submitted a change that would add support for swapping the recent and back button positions to the android open source project in january 2023 it just hasn't been done but sony could also do it themselves so correction um it's not in the aosp but not correction sony i will not use your phones until you deal with this and i don't care whose fault it is it's not on your phone another correction apparently the person who said it earlier was incorrect it is not banned in the uk it was just confiscated at an airport which is a completely different thing and there's some debate over whether it might be illegal oh like yeah i've found a thing um yeah

Starting point is 02:17:58 there's some debate over whether it might be illegal because it might just fall under like things that were already illegal but it seems to be in a gray area got it makes sense this is great by the way that's awesome anywho let's go i don't know how to play guitar at all but yeah what else do you want to talk about oh my god everything's wow why is it all terrible news this week oh oh the florida senate might be booting kids off social media. Speaking of American politicians and being stupid, this is, like, not stupid, actually. I actually am completely down with this.

Starting point is 02:18:33 And I understand there's people that will aggressively disagree with me, but I'm down, yeah. The Florida Senate has taken up a bill for discussion that would ban all children under the age of 16 from social media on the grounds that it has addictive features similar to gambling taken up a bill for discussion that would ban all children under the age of 16 from social media on the grounds that it has addictive features similar to gambling absolutely that are damaging to children's mental health extremely actually how is this florida so sick the bill doesn't specify any social media platform but any platform that tracks user activity allows user generated content

Starting point is 02:19:01 and uses potentially addictive features such as infinite scrolling would be required to enact third-party age verification. I knew they were going to f*** up. Yep. There it is. Dang it, Florida! I didn't read deeply into the thing. All right.

Starting point is 02:19:20 And a swig and a miss. Florida's House has already passed a similar bill with overwhelming support. If supported by the Senate, it would still require to miss. Florida's House has already passed a similar bill with overwhelming support. If supported by the Senate, it would still require a vote from Florida's governor, who has expressed some concern that the bill is overly broad. Some critics have suggested that requiring ID in order to participate in social media might be a freedom of speech issue. You think?

Starting point is 02:19:43 What a womp womp, dude. I was so excited about this i was genuinely on board i wasn't making that up i just hadn't read that line either oh man yeah that was really close to being not completely florided but then they florided it up according to a modder by the name of emus nvidia has been working on extending its rtx video hdr feature to also convert sdr games to hdr in real time emus has created and published a mod to enable this in progress feature though only on windows 11 even as a still in progress feature this gaming hdr converter reportedly creates better visuals in some cases than windows 11's auto hdr um that's about all i have to say about that i just

Starting point is 02:20:30 thought that was really cool it's on nexus mods and if you want to check it out i still haven't tried the hdr video audio auto converter but i really want to i just haven't gotten around to it dude i've been so busy we did we did an amd ultimate tech upgrade yesterday that went for somewhere between 10 and 11 hours guess who it was for i'll just tell you bill kyle from creator warehouse engineering oh he has been working on this video since before it was AMD ultimate tech upgrade. And it's basically three hours. I'm sorry, three hours.

Starting point is 02:21:18 It's basically 10 hours of me, Elijah and Kyle trying not to kill each other. It's going to be great. I feel like this is going to be one of those things like, like man we have had some absolute banger floatplane exclusives lately uh if you are not on floatplane i'm sorry it's been really good i'm sorry to hear that um you know it's not for everyone you know it's it's extra money at a time when hey not everybody has extra money kicking around. Things are tight for a lot of people. But dude, we've got extras from Linus' Kids Build Luca computer. We've got extras from the Medi collab. We've got the CEO interview with Taryn.

Starting point is 02:22:03 That's an hour and a half long. Dude, we've got some stuff. We've got a lot of really great behind the scenes it's been it's been a riot lately and I feel like that video alone is gonna have extras like probably on the level of the call me Chris collab build oh wow yeah it's it's hilarious we're gonna have to cut some stuff because there's definitely some stuff that's gonna need to be cut but kyle's hilarious as you probably know elijah's hilarious as you probably know um and i'm all right pretty funny i think i can be i think i can be pretty funny i actually funny guy i actually had one of what i think is my best on camera jokes i'm not gonna spoil it but i'll watch for it i like the tech upgrades i

Starting point is 02:22:48 watch pretty much all of them i destroyed elijah destroyed him he couldn't even talk you tell him do a backflip no no no no absolutely not not at work uh man oh man okay this one's worth recounting i actually had one of my best in a meeting jokes this week too i was on fire earlier this week i i've slowed down a little bit i'm really tired from that tech upgrade but uh we were having a meeting about um visual data visualizations for uh power supply related content for short circuit and for the lab's website because power supply testing is one of the ones that we're going to be ready to roll out in volume soonest yeah compared to all the other categories and um and lucas from the lab

Starting point is 02:23:37 basically had uh so it was lucas and sammy put together this visualization that was supposed to characterize for the viewer a brownout and the drop-in voltages and recovery of their rail voltages of the 12-volt, 5-volt, 3.3-volt, and USB, something. Some fourth rail. And basically the idea is that within the ATX specification, you're supposed to be able to lose power for a very, very short period of time, like a dozen or so milliseconds or a couple dozen milliseconds. I forget exactly what it is. It's a very, very short period of time, a few tens of thousands of a second. And the system should recover without actually losing power as long as those rails bounce back fast enough your computer will not actually lose power in the event of a brownout so he had the he had the incoming ac represented like this and then it goes like this and then it

Starting point is 02:24:41 comes back and then during that brownout phase we had like uh like a highlighted section and then it comes back and then during that brownout phase we had like a like a highlighted section and then you see all the other rails go down and then come back and it had lines all over it pretty much we had kind of gone through all the other visualizations in the meeting pretty quickly and we were stuck on this one for probably somewhere between five and ten minutes and one of the things that we were really stuck on was how to symbolize uh a brown out in a way that might declutter the the graph and um taryn and i kind of disagreed on what we thought was a good approach for this. And at the end of it, like, we were basically getting to the end of our time,

Starting point is 02:25:30 and there were a couple more things that we needed to talk about. I'm like, look, here's the situation. I know that this is very clear and very easy to understand for Lucas, and honestly for Sammy, for that matter, because even if she doesn't know everything about electrical engineering and electronics engineering uh because that's not her field she does know a lot about data visualization so for you the labs folks this is probably crystal clear but between me and taryn we have over 35 years of experience in this industry we're pretty technical we're enthusiasts we're passionate we read a lot of articles um we are not able to fully understand it and are not able to agree

Starting point is 02:26:12 on what the best way to visualize this is and that's probably a bad sign yeah yeah i got it yeah yeah yeah so i I just... I think I just about killed Gary. He didn't laugh. He just looked like he was going to die. Anyway. I was very proud. I was, like, so proud of myself. I was too proud of myself.

Starting point is 02:26:42 Dan's dead. Is Steven here? Yeah, he's here. Yeah, he's here. Dan's dead. Is Steven here? Yeah, he's here. Yeah, he's here. He's just, he doesn't want to talk anymore. Anyway, I'm very happy. Oh, that's rough. Yeah, that was, uh, that was good.

Starting point is 02:26:54 Look, guys, if you were there, it was very funny. Because it's a bad sign. Just got to get it off the graph. It's too hard to understand. It would be more top of mind when you're in that meeting, too. Oh, yeah. Like, if it took you a sec to get it, it would probably, yeah too hard to understand. It would be more top of mind when you're in that meeting too. Oh yeah. Like if it took you a sec to get it, it would probably.

Starting point is 02:27:07 Yeah. Yeah. Sign wave. Sign wave. Yeah. Um, anyway, death by smugness.

Starting point is 02:27:12 Look, okay. I have to do so many meetings. You guys, it's like, if I, meetings are getting a little much, like I,

Starting point is 02:27:21 I just basically in meetings. If I, if I can't have fun, man, I got it. much like i i'm just basically in meetings if i if i can't have fun man i gotta man i got you know i gotta i gotta make my jokes i gotta have my fun like managing a business and like yes yes i have a lot of people that to help me manage the business but it's not like i don't still have to do things um something i think i gotta have my fun a little better as an organization and i'm working on this with the ones that i run as well is having laid out objectives before the call and then when you complete them ending the call immediately

Starting point is 02:27:58 yeah there's a lot of like yeah this has been good conversation is there anything else anyone needs to start having a counter for how many times i hear that asks yeah does anyone else have anything to and then it just doesn't end nobody says anything but then the meeting just sits there and then you're like uh it's like man i i i have i haven't been doing it consistently but i've done it a couple times in the last couple weeks where i'm just like okay well if no one needs me bye and i just leave if it's really important i'll message you you can join when it's when it's pretty obvious that the message is is over or the message that the that the call is over yeah non-agenda meetings i think is like super not the way okay here's one ending that i'm not a hundred percent sure how you're going to react to.

Starting point is 02:28:45 Oh boy. Google has blocked sideloading in Singapore of certain apps. So as part of a crackdown on financial scams, Google will be preventing Singaporean users from sideloading some apps. Allegedly, these apps misuse Android permissions in order to intercept one-time passwords that a user receives via notification or text according to google over 95 percent of these apps were installed through side loading now when a user attempts to install one of these apps they will instead

Starting point is 02:29:17 receive a pop-up that says this app can request access to sensitive data this can increase the risk of identity theft or financial fraud google has developed this pilot program in collaboration with the singapore government's cyber security agency the company announced a similar real-time scanning protection initiative in october which is supposed to roll out first in india the way discussion question is it a slippery slope absolutely google deciding which apps you can or cannot sideload absolutely is that is that is it really being blocked though or are they just popping up a notification warning you it sounds like they will be blocked are you sure because the the like the the title is that it blocks i know but i i've

Starting point is 02:30:07 read other articles other than this summary okay it sounds like it will be blocked company knows it will instead receive a pop-up that says this app can request i get it but this summary here is not the only one that i've read it sounds like it will be blocked yeah um this seems bad however we're going to transition to another topic where somebody got scammed over 25 million dollars because the world's crazy right how'd you know i was going to do that uh because it just makes way too much sense. All right. Things are nuts. And you cannot expect users to understand up because the sophistication level of certain things currently is just kind of too high people saying yeah users aren't tech experts even tech experts are going to get dunked on right now um with the ability to like the the

Starting point is 02:31:17 topic we're gonna get into is insane but like this yeah this is rough. What I wish it was, was like really aggressive pop-up things that are like, you should not do this. So if it is, then you're good? I think so, yeah. But I mean- I would even be, put like five. But like Microsoft tried this with UAC.

Starting point is 02:31:41 Put three. It doesn't prevent people from just clicking it. And then they also have to authenticate through an email thing or something like make it like really annoying and put a lot of steps in the way. I'm totally okay with that. That's a slippery slope too, because they could also do that if you try to install a third party browser now. And I know I'm, I know that I'm making a bit of a disingenuous argument here, but they

Starting point is 02:32:03 could hold on. Apparently it's only internet-based side loading sources okay does that help then i think so because there's still around it yeah okay therefore it's okay to me personally so as long as there's there should be a way yeah okay there should be a way to force a side load. It could be super annoying. You have to plug it into a computer. I don't know about that. You have to do something that's very advanced. Tell me this.

Starting point is 02:32:35 Wouldn't the real solution to this, though, just be system antivirus that just doesn't let anything intercept a one-time password? Should anything be allowed to read your text messages as they come in? Why does anything need to read your text messages as they come in i feel like there's pretty much always going to be a way though it could be screen reading sure grab it that way sure but anything that continuously records your screen maybe that just like it might be able to detect an event of a text message coming in and start screen

Starting point is 02:33:01 recording for certain periods of time like there's i i would never trust that thing to actually cover those solutions says uh hey 15 years in i'll take any sort of android protection yeah elijah even if you're joking don't post that i am deleting it I'm trying I don't know how oh it's not working yeah why can't I click that I can't click that it doesn't it's text commands why

Starting point is 02:33:36 because you and I both didn't want us to spend time on that but I can click all the other ones what do you mean click them look spend time on that but i can click all the other ones what do you mean click them look oh yeah okay anyway um do you want to spend time on that nope yeah there we go uh lenovo made a transparent laptop so

Starting point is 02:34:01 that's useless that's cool we should talk about the topic we were going to talk about yeah let's talk about the 25 million dollars that got scammed via deep fake luke you want to do this one i feel like i've done a lot of them yeah someone also said uh lazareth legitimate accessibility features need to read your texts yeah like there's things like that too like i don't know it's just i Yeah, like there's things like that too. Like, I don't know. It's just, I don't think that's a solution that'll work. Anyways, deepfake scam, $25 million stolen. This is genuinely wild.

Starting point is 02:34:37 This makes me think Ocean's Eleven level, like crazy. There was probably multiple people behind this, a lot of planning, a lot of prep, all that type of stuff. Big payday. And this is one of the reasons why i think you're honestly not going to be able to fully train people to be prepared for this stuff you're going to have to have procedures in place instead um that that layer up protections on these types of things like maybe requiring even if you're on a video call with someone require requiring you to call their cell phone to confirm as a form of two-factor authentication or something i don't know this is crazy though according to hong kong police a finance worker at an unnamed multinational

Starting point is 02:35:10 firm was convinced to transfer 25.6 million usd big money to scammers through a video call where everyone else in attendance including the company's's CFO, were actually audio-visual deepfakes. Whoa. The worker was initially suspicious when he was contacted by the scammers through email, but his concerns were assuaged by the fact that the video call was attended by several people who looked and sounded like his colleagues hong kong police likewise indicated that they have seen a large amount of recent fraud cases using deepfakes alongside stolen ids which totally makes sense i hate to bring this up but i contacted a financial institution that i no longer use very recently and because i no longer use them i don't remember my pan or like access were you able to like

Starting point is 02:36:15 password you get back in i was able to reactivate my account with information that i could google about myself yeah the fact that that is possible and and to be clear it's not just because i'm like a youtube personality or something it's the kind of thing that i could easily google about you if all i knew was your facebook profile Like it was shockingly easy. What the fuck are we going to do? Because you and I laughed, both of us, completely without pre-planning it, laughed when we saw that Florida's plan for banning social media use for 16-year-olds was a third-party database

Starting point is 02:37:01 because that's just a goldmine that someone's waiting to break into in mine i don't think i would trust our government or any other government to do it any better than the third party no what the crap are we supposed to do to authenticate it to secure anything you like can't really to be completely honest um yep i don't know but things like social media networks uh like there's examples of this on twitch and and other places as well what just look who it is made a really good point things are gonna get really fucked up when stuff like the apple vision pro goes mainstream oh yeah because you become the person you'll be no no not just that not just that no no

Starting point is 02:37:52 no no no no because you won't be expecting the video feed to even quite look like them if it was a vision pro avatar or whatever and it was a little off so what it wouldn't even raise any alarm bells yeah now all you have to do is get the voice mostly right oh no which people are getting really good at oh no yeah i heard it umgenerated voice, machine learning voice. I keep doing it. I keep saying AI. It's not AI. Okay, whatever.

Starting point is 02:38:28 I heard an AI voice recreation of myself hosting a power supply video. I've heard that too. It's by far the best one I've heard. It's gotten a lot better. The whole you having a Boston accent for no apparent reason thing is gone. It's not perfect for sure, but it's, Oh,

Starting point is 02:38:48 I wonder if I can, I wonder if I can dig that up, uh, for the people to hear. So we are, uh, one of the things that we're working on for, um,

Starting point is 02:38:57 for the future of short circuit and to, to dramatically widen our production pipe, um, is for a basic power supply video we are going to take all the testing data plonk it into a template for the script which was written by humans very smart humans uh lucas has done a lot of work on it uh to to get it down to the point where it says everything you need to know about a power supply with, you know, variables that are altered depending on the results of the power supply. And then is read and edited by automated tools with humans involved for quality checks and for fact checking.

Starting point is 02:39:47 involved for quality checks and for fact checking. So what you guys are going to see, or hear, I guess rather, is a very, very early version of what that would look like. Let me see if I can find it. Oh, I have audio playing. I will fix that. It is now fixed. Let me see if I can find it. Document shared with you. You know what? I'm going to search for Lucas because we don't actually talk about that many things by email.

Starting point is 02:40:20 Oh. Oh, shoot. I found a draft email I never sent to him. Gosh darn it okay okay uh can you run interference for me for a minute here luke i uh someone just linked me that someone apparently made a uh titanic uh my heart will go on covered with me singing it so that's horrifying and i'll have to watch that later. But, okay.

Starting point is 02:40:48 I don't know. I could do another topic. Do you need that much time? Yeah. Do another topic and I'll try and find this. Okay. What's, what's left?

Starting point is 02:40:55 South Korea jails PUBG player. South Korea Supreme Court has upheld the prison sentence of a conscientious objector to a year and a half in prison for refusing mandatory military service, in part because he is an avid player of PUBG. According to Korean prosecutors, the man's participation in violent video games and his lack of effort to spread his beliefs is evidence that his moral objection to violence and war is insincere the man reportedly refused to join the military on the grounds that it disregards human rights and gives rampant unfair orders to enlisted soldiers discussion question why do we treat playing video games as indicating

Starting point is 02:41:35 a tolerance for real world violence is it because players participate in the fictional violence in a way uh that a movie goer doesn't i have no idea um yeah that's wild hey i think this was more one we were just kind of reacting to we're gonna just say it like some real actual person is actually going to jail because the fact that they play pub g means that they don't object to violence that is f**ked up dude i wonder how many video games what's going on over in south korea right now i play that i would just be super not down to do in real life probably a lot you ever play doom yeah well you're killing demons though yeah but that may be a little isn't there like a whole thing where like even uh people who have like strong religious objections to killing or like no doom's cool or whatever oh yeah yeah doom has some really really interesting religion lore behind it um

Starting point is 02:42:37 it's if i remember correctly it's very catholic um catholic um doom guy is canonically catholic okay yeah sure i mean that makes perfect sense yeah doom was actually a pretty bad example because it's i guess it's the morality of the actions not the danger so i don't know gta oh you don't want to be a criminal why would you play criminal game yeah i don't know oh man kind of rough i'll look for another one if you still need more time i don't want to i've got one i don't want to bug lucas i'll you know what i'll bug gary i mean google rebrands bard to gemini launches paid tier and mobile app google rebranded its bard chatbot to gemini the name of the uh language model the company introduced back in december with a demo that grossly exaggerated its speeding

Starting point is 02:43:31 capabilities uh and will be rebranding duet ai for workspace to gemini for workspace uh hey gary you are on uh you're on the wan show oh good it sounds about right um i'm glad you survived my sine wave joke in our meeting okay uh i wanted to show the people the um the early version of the audio of linus reading um that uh that power supply overview uh script from lucas uh do you do you know do you know the one i'm talking about where it's the linus ai voice yes sir uh do you mind do you mind linking actually do you mind emailing that to me in some form that i could play it for the people okay all right thank you so much all right you're quite welcome all right chat saw wishing you a speedy recovery from whatever it is that you're suffering from right now yeah I was going to say I think that's you

Starting point is 02:44:49 alright thanks Gary alright take care oh god that's funny okay yeah I'm going to keep going Google's following in the footsteps of microsoft who have finally made it clear that uh literally every ai product they make is called co-pilot gemini advanced is a paid version uh paid version powered by the more powerful gemini ultra 1.0

Starting point is 02:45:20 model accessible through the new google one ai premium plan that's a that's a name uh it's 20 a month the same price as chat gpt plus but it also includes the benefits of google one in general which i think is going to be listed if i click on this link but it includes like expanded drive storage um yeah you get expanded drive storage if you have the ai premium one you have two terabytes of drive storage so that's a ton um google store rewards i've never even heard of that before google meet premium video calling features google calendar enhanced appointment scheduling uh stuff like that so you get other things instead of just um the gemini ai stuff gemini is available on the web in 150 countries but more interestingly as a standalone android app in the u.s only also accessible through the google app on ios

Starting point is 02:46:13 android users in the u.s can select gemini as their device assistant instead of google assistant which is actually probably a massive improvement considering it doesn't feel like google assistant has gotten better in potentially ever uh has it has an overlay that can be drawn up over any app to read your screen and do stuff which assistant used to do but doesn't now uh early feedback has confirmed that google overhyped gemini most impressions uh that r Riley has seen claim that chat GPT-4 is still better, but we don't know right now, I guess. Discussion question. I'm saying it. I'm saying it no matter what.

Starting point is 02:46:55 Why does Canada suck? And then Dash, sorry this isn't a better question. I have to go. Oh, that's great. Thanks, Riley. I don't know. We just get stuff after America. It's fine.

Starting point is 02:47:15 It's not a big deal. Yeah, like the Vision Pro. Everywhere sucks. Yeah. Especially Canada. South Park got it right. Floppy heads. Blame Canada. Yeah Park got it right. Floppy heads. Blame Canada.

Starting point is 02:47:28 Yeah. One road. Did you get the file? I'm working on it. Okay. I'm running out of topics. Gary's working on it. I mean, we could just do one show after dark.

Starting point is 02:47:37 I think we've actually got a surprising number of merch messages, given that we launched a T-shirt with a collar. So we might want to get started on them at some point no there's also the planetary shirt yeah yeah yeah no i i know i it's just and then you know and the store's great driver bit sets are just gonna fly off the shelves yeah realistically they're gonna fly off the shelves regardless um but i wanted to give people a lot of warning before we make any adjustments yeah um all right is there anything else okay is there anything else in here that we want to talk about oh we didn't even talk

Starting point is 02:48:16 about the funimation libraries being deleted this is like a huge deal yeah funimation or sorry sony which has owned funimation since 2017 and crunchyroll since 2021 will be merging the two services keeping the name crunchyroll as well as deleting digital copies of content that users purchased through funimation owning something digitally doesn't mean crap at all codes for these digital copies were included with physical blu-rays or dvds of anime dubbed and released by funimation as a way of ensuring that customers would always have access to the content that they purchased even if they were away from home or they lost their physical copy crunchyroll will also be increasing in price from $80 to $100 annually. So basically, Sony, go f*** yourself for this.

Starting point is 02:49:12 Yeah, that sucks. Why don't they just offer it through Crunchyroll? If I had to guess, I would say that this was not actually a super simple decision, and it's possible that whatever Funimation's licensing was for these perpetual copies that many rights holders are pretty cagey about blah blah blah blah blah blah non-transferable something something something there's probably a reason but it f***ing sucks and I just don't really care anymore I don't care what the really good reason was for or what the really good reason was it doesn't matter when someone buys something i get

Starting point is 02:49:47 it they're only buying a license to use it but they bought a license to use it in the way that in good faith they understood that it was for and i think you understood too and that should continue like it's the uh yeah gev dev in full plane chat said country world doesn't have the infrastructure for it from the sound of it the funimation site is shutting down i don't care build it if you're gonna just like delete all this stuff that people bought you you need to provide a alternative solution you know like just shoot uh gary is um has not sent that um and now i'm sort of wondering if there's anyone else who might know where it is because maybe he's having a hard time finding it i do you know where it is yeah well why didn't you just tell me oh i found it

Starting point is 02:50:39 can you message gary real quick and tell him i found it? Why don't you? Because I'm going to bring it up. Okay. I have to email it to myself. This way we're working in parallel, Luke. It's efficient. You wouldn't understand. Usually I'm the only one who works while I'm actively live on the show. Well, yeah, because someone has to talk to the people.

Starting point is 02:51:02 We'll just let Dan do it. Okay, Dan, you're on. Hey, how how you doing jesus dan okay forget it okay is my is my audio working uh no no it's not you were so you were so lively last show uh i become all tired at the moment fired up i'm sorry guys okay will luke be able to hear this i'm trying to be suave i've heard it before i know but like just you know so we can all experience it together luke it's this is your first podcast come on man yeah together yeah okay dan are we good in a way i'm not hearing anything uh well i'm not playing okay then give it we're firing on so many cylinders

Starting point is 02:51:45 right now it's insane but mom is my turn with a brain cell i worked so many hours yesterday okay but kyle's upgrade video is going to be amazing and the behind the scenes on floatplane are going to be amazing just go subscribe to floatplane okay let's do this thing this is the thousand watt focus gx1000 manufactured by sea sonic with a current MSRP of $250. It is a fully modular ATX 3.0 power supply with an additional hybrid fan mode. The power supply comes in sturdy packaging and measures 150 by 86 by 140 millimeters. Considering cable flexibility, it has an effective depth of 190 millimeters. The modular cables are plastic insulated of good quality and are really flexible. This should cause no problems while building and cable managing your computer.

Starting point is 02:52:33 The provided cable set includes a single 12-vaporware cable, allowing it to power all types of high-wattage GPUs. The Focus GX is a... All right. How do you feel about it? I don't mean the quality of it or whatever. a all right how do you feel about it how do you i i don't mean the the quality of whatever how does hearing that make you feel my first it's like i feel like i should remember saying it yeah i should remember saying it a

Starting point is 02:53:00 really weird disjointed the way not how i would say it way the way that i describe this to other people that have heard it is to me it feels like you just had your wisdom teeth taken out you're on a little bit of meds and you've got cotton in your mouth yeah and it's a bad mic the intonation like the the the timber of the voice is surprisingly close yeah the timing's way off the cadence is there's certain ways that you say things that don't line up like i can tell it's not you but if i for example was the one recording it because this is purely generated i don't think so i do think so i don't think so i do think so i'm rather certain it's not i know the person who did the project and they told me it was voiced by someone and then uh

Starting point is 02:53:51 edited how sure are you i mean i can show you the messages no no i i don't know it doesn't sound like someone voiced it okay whoever voiced it clearly wasn't um isn't that how we did the spanish one of my things that i sent to ed is like yeah it seems like a linus who has cotton balls in his mouth but isn't very tech savvy and he's like uh yeah all right well at any rate um okay so then no no i believe you i believe you nope what okay so it's not but luke i believe you this is such a waste of time he? Okay, so it's not. Luke, I believe you. This is such a waste of time. Should I say who it was?

Starting point is 02:54:27 He just wants to work on his phone more. Oh my goodness. No, it doesn't matter. Okay. I don't care who it was. All right. The point is that with someone who was a little more tech savvy, who had even the tiniest amount of practice imitating my cadence.

Starting point is 02:54:40 Yeah. Like this is the same thing that made me think about that, you that like 25 million dollar heist whatever it was it's like yeah it with with more practice time yeah because someone just like listens to you talk about a thing enough times figures out how you're gonna say 250 figures out how uh is more familiar with the subject matter this is very likely the first time they did a read through um all this other type of stuff um yeah i think you could basically nail it there are some problems it sounds like it's on a really bad mic the like quality of the audio is really low um but i mean we're close enough now that it's like you can kind, you can make it out. Yes, absolutely. And it's scary.

Starting point is 02:55:27 Yeah. With that said, I mean, it's going to be really convenient if we wanted the entire, you know, power supply channel to be hosted by Linus. I don't know if we should. I don't know. I don't know either, but maybe we would. I genuinely don't know.

Starting point is 02:55:42 Maybe one out of every four would be hosted by Linus. I know whatever we figure whatever strategy we settle on is though digital linus we could scale it just like that vtuber vtuber hosted i mean i've i've been talking for years about how the best way for us to safeguard this company against you know my untimely demise or eventual you know actual retirement or whatever it is not having hydro facials could be exactly could be v-tubering yeah our most recognizable personalities figuring out you know what that looks like in terms of compensation and licensing and technology you do do whatever, right? And building a scalable business around that. I mean, there's companies that only exist as virtual influencers already today.

Starting point is 02:56:33 It's not like this is some kind of weird sci-fi that I'm imagining. This is a real thing right now. And it's winning right now. The only difference is that we would, you know... Yeah, when's the Philly in collab? I don't know. I think Elijah's in contact.

Starting point is 02:56:47 Oh. So it's moving, I think. I'm stoked. Fillion does backflips. God damn, Luke. You actually need to stop baiting him into doing a backflip. I don't want him to get hurt.

Starting point is 02:56:58 Yeah, he showed me a video of him doing one and I was like, yeah, you shouldn't do this. That's fine. Yeah, don't... Yeah, just stop baiting him. Maybe we should do that when you guys are remote somebody just becomes a vtuber like for one show yeah because i can i can intersperse that into the actual set no problem rig and stuff i don't know anything about it we can figure it out yeah it's very doable okay

Starting point is 02:57:18 um i know like genuinely nothing about it anyway funimation there's so many chats zero transform not cool dude i run a vtuber studio with triple a motion capture hardware yeah it's it's today it's right now it's right now yep all right is there anything that is left before we no i don't think so i think it's time for when show after dark all right let's do this thing Did we do the jobs thing We did Yeah we did very early in the show I'll get it I'll get it Alright maybe hit Luke first

Starting point is 02:57:54 Yeah Yeah Linus did it Mission accomplished What It's okay Dan you're gonna be alright take my headphones off for one second

Starting point is 02:58:11 oh man actually I need to pee pee I'll be right back okay alright I hope everything comes out okay hi Luke hey you wanted me to give luke one right yeah dad are you good i'm looking for it uh what's up boys luke when and if you have a boy boys what's up boys uh boy luke when and if you have a cheat day or a cheat meal your exercise journey, what do you eat and why?

Starting point is 02:58:49 It's usually because I'll be like eating out with people. And I'll usually try to get like, you know, somewhat of a safer option. But I let myself go a little bit more than something that i'll like to have is like indian food uh there's an indian food plate i don't want to name it because i don't want to just run it over completely but there's an incredibly good indian food place locally that i really like going to for lunch um and if i'm having a lunch meeting for some reason i will often suggest going there because it's incredibly good uh there's also a place that i like going for pho so i'll have indian food or pho um i think i know the place you're talking about that place is you probably know both of them to be honest and

Starting point is 02:59:35 they're extremely good the one good one and it's so good for for which uh for the indian i'm not sure i know the pho do we should go sometime do you like pho yeah we'll go sometime um i think that's also local too i might have gone there with a couple other people yeah maybe maybe it's both of those are very common haunts for people that work here um yeah so i like i won't i won't but but i'm not also not gonna just like you know oh i'm getting a cheesecake with whatever and like i i don't i don't really like go off but um i'm also not gonna just like you know i'm getting a cheesecake with whatever and like i i don't i don't really like go off but um i'm no longer like my my like a diet right now is if the if the food is planned it's very structured um but if i'm like out with people or whatever i'll get stuff

Starting point is 03:00:19 it doesn't matter but i try not to go too nuts that's all yeah sorry i didn't really like specify anything but yeah you're didn't really like specify anything but yeah you're not like a person who goes i'm gonna eat an entire cake on my cheat day no i i don't know i'm not i also i don't even desire that like i don't i don't even think cheat days are a good idea no no who are you cheating on it's just yourself can you believe we've made it this far into the show and neither of you has made a joke about me getting a facial? That would be crass, Linus. It felt like it was like actually too low bar.

Starting point is 03:00:55 It was like too easy. That's too low brow. Yeah. No, no, I'm okay with it being really low brow. It was just too easy. Plus, we know you well enough that you get those all the time anyway. Got him. Hello!

Starting point is 03:01:11 And the beard makes it a lot harder to clean up. Oh, I know. I know. Hello, DLL. This guy's trying to be classy. Hello, DLL. As a business, why wouldn't steam create steam plus gaming service is it just small potatoes compared to their 30 or too complicated for such a large platform i hope

Starting point is 03:01:34 they never do i think the licensing is extremely complicated if it was only for valve games yeah it would be no problem for them to just have a valve subscription to their games in fact i don't know i i i suspect that hardware as a subscription is going to become even more prevalent i mean there's that tv that's free as long as you look at ads or whatever like i could i mean in a way you know financing is just hardware as a as a subscription it's not like they can't repo it if you fail to pay for it it's just it's's just, it's a rent to own whereas at some point I could totally see a Steam Deck for, Steam Deck is

Starting point is 03:02:10 $10 a month. It's not $400, it's $10 a month and they just assume that over there. It'll be more expensive than that. You know, or whatever it is, but I think you kind of get my point, right? The point is that as long as it's first party nothing would prevent Valve from doing things however it is that they want to do it.

Starting point is 03:02:26 But when it comes to third party games, I mean, they can't even manage to get guys like EA to not require you to also install Origin on your stupid computer, let alone agreeing to participate in this Game Pass competitor or whatever it is. you know participate in this in in this you know games game pass competitor or whatever it is um i i think it's i would actually be kind of into it to be honest with you yeah i mean what if it just i i'd like to see valve innovate i'd like to see how is that innovation well it's not innovation if they just do what everyone else is doing so that's why i was going to suggest a way that maybe they could innovate all right so here's something that would be kind of cool like if i could buy a steam pass subscription and it entitles me to you know x amount of dollar value of games in my library at any given time but i could return games and take them out kind

Starting point is 03:03:20 of like a library system or something like that. I don't know. That's just, that's completely off the top of my head, but I could see something like that being an innovation. Yes, because you could go back and reborrow a game at your discretion. If it's still there. So you're kind of, you're kind of creating,

Starting point is 03:03:38 no, well, I would expect valve to innovate that too. So I could curate my own library potentially that'd be kind of neat if i wanted to keep something instead of it just being like netflix where that show just like disappears and you can't watch it anymore i could decide you know what yeah i want to i want to just keep i want to keep my old you know steam plus library i don't want any of the new stuff and i can just like keep it forever keep it in perpetuity or i could be like oh yeah you know what no I want to try something new and I just like return one

Starting point is 03:04:09 of my games like oh yeah okay like I and my family share group yeah but once you return that game what if it's been removed off of steam you wouldn't be able to get it again that's what I was saying maybe there was a miscommunication that's what I meant oh okay sure i just mean i i could see there being room to innovate in that space um and if there was anyone who was going to do it in a not anti-consumer way maybe it would be valve i hope they don't do it because i don't think there is one and maybe that's the not anti-consumer innovation we need is valve just not doing it but i would be told it like if if if inside of valve they were like hey let's like try to thought experiment this thing and figure out if there is a way that's totally cool with that sometimes you

Starting point is 03:04:57 gotta you know peer into darkness um i don't think there is a way if they prove me wrong great but i i don't i don't think there's a way because they prove me wrong great but i i don't i don't think there's a way because because of all the things that i've talked about on my show before of like if you if you end up going subscription services there's there's literally actors and directors and stuff talking about this publicly right now but with everything being subscription service uh the only things that get made are safe uh there's no all that type of stuff all right mr subscription services are evil what's that i didn't say subscription services were evil oh okay okay so okay hot dog hamburger you got what if they did this did what what if everything that

Starting point is 03:05:35 you got through your subscription service you had like you can download these videos can you let me finish okay it's a terrible comparison just clean your dog your comparison is i got some paper towels over here so my point is my point is what if it worked like that what if whenever something is in your library you could you you you got it permanently and it was more like a uh just just hold on oh my gosh this is one of those things where it's like all i'm saying is consider a possibility i just i don't understand like if if it's going that far then you have it you own it so then like what how how is how is valve going to get any developers all they asked was what about steam plus they didn't say it had to be exactly the way it is now so i'm saying no no i get that i just don't think what you're talking

Starting point is 03:06:30 about is even possible well hold on can i finish talking about it sure so what if it was like floatplane where through the subscription you are getting new content so it's kind of it's almost more like a uh it's almost more like what are they called those uh those mail subscriptions something boxes yeah uh i know what you're talking about help me help me chat uh something boxes it's not no not loot boxes not loot crates no it's a thing loot crate was a brand crack boxes oh my god subscription boxes sure subscription boxes i thought there was mystery boxes i don't know i thought there was another name the point is but like subscription boxes so so developers would sign up so you get new things valve curates

Starting point is 03:07:17 the new games that you're gonna try with their subscription service you own the games afterward you can go back and you can reopen that crate anytime you feel like it just like on floatplane you can when you are subscribed you can download any video we have no cap you can download the entire back catalog of anything you want exclusives different channels all the infrastructure people listening right now are going like oh goodness and yeah it it sucks on our end but yeah but you but you can do that and then the only difference once you cancel your subscription is you just don't get the new ones you don't get the new content and you can't come download it again i mean that's something that i

Starting point is 03:07:57 could see being a not evil you know innovation that that valve could that's an interesting one and they could even have they could even have gambling mechanics some of them so maybe you get two games out of out of there there's eight and you'll get one will be a random one but you can pick one of them or something like that like i'm just saying let's be open-minded i just think that's a completely different thing now you've gone so far away that it's just humble bund bundle subscription version um which is like fine hold on well hold on what was the question though uh something something steam plus gaming service i mean yeah i just the original question is open enough that this is legit i'm not saying that sure yeah sure i just i just mean i think there's ways to do subscription gaming and have it not be totally toxic i think that is not totally toxic i just also think that that sort of doesn't matter like i don't think that would actually

Starting point is 03:08:55 catch on um there might be ways to do it maybe maybe i think a lot of them will have the same problems as standard subscription stuff like i said though like if valve if valve wanted to sit in a room and try to figure this out and they did find out a way then that's great i just i struggle to see how it can be really possible because in this version like yeah maybe they do maybe it is very similar to what you're saying maybe it's a monthly thing that you get, just like with those old subscription boxes that were popular for a while. Maybe it's a monthly thing.

Starting point is 03:09:30 You log into Steam on the first and you have a new thing that you click on and it's like, hey, you have these new games. Maybe they're even partially curated because they know some of your interests based on games you've played and stuff. So maybe they'll go like, oh, we noticed last month you played a games that are a bunch of games that are like that are like this we thought you might want to try these things you played slay the spire

Starting point is 03:09:53 maybe you'll enjoy across the obelisk something like that um we included that in the thing that could be kind of cool i don't think that would take off as much as an all access pass yeah apparently psn plus does something kind of like this as well so anyway but i do think to your question though uh it would be pretty small potatoes for valve compared to the kind of money that they print on um an annual basis just taking 30 of every game that sells on steam so and not just game sales right um so it's a cool idea but i i doubt that it has any kind of serious momentum over there at least for the time being i think you're also going to run into a problem where it's going to be a lot of the same games a lot of the same developers and probably older games unless

Starting point is 03:10:46 valve starts pumping tons of money into the creation of them at which point they might want some amount of um creative controller input and then we start running into the same problem with gaming subscription services where the uh company that runs the subscription service ends up uh pushing in for creative control because they want things that are going to guaranteed win which is like a huge problem Would you like another one? No

Starting point is 03:11:17 Linus wants to go home No, I'm good Hi Wancho I recently took a trip to Europe and my ldd backpack was stolen with my macbook dslr lenses and some miscellaneous tech what's the most heartbreaking loss of tech you've experienced i think i've told this story before so i'm not going to go through the whole story but when i left my my pocket pc at the ice rink, it had my calendars and everything on it,

Starting point is 03:11:47 and there was no cloud sync back then, so I had to set everything up manually again. Yeah, that sucked. That really sucked. I haven't lost much. I left a phone on a plane. That's probably it. Oh, yeah, there was the time i left my laptop on the car and drove

Starting point is 03:12:05 yeah i remember that um i very recently a lot i have this one of the 64 ounce water bottles that i've sticker bombed um and it's my like i have it in my car i bring it into work and i bring it into the gym uh but it like stays remote like i don't bring it home and then i have another 64 ounce water bottle at home and i have my airpods that i work out with and the water bottle and the airpods are missing can't find them anywhere i checked lost and found here i checked lost and found at the gym it's not at home it's not in my car The fact that it's both of them. I'm pretty sure they were taken. My biggest thing is like,

Starting point is 03:12:49 why'd you take the water bottle? Like it's, it's sticker bombed with a bunch of stickers. I can't get again. It's a good water bottle. It's a sick water bottle. And you're at a gym. What do you mean,

Starting point is 03:13:00 why'd they take it? No, I get that. It's an awesome water. No, no. Can you stop disrespecting the hard work of the creator warehouse team? I get that.

Starting point is 03:13:06 And especially at the gym, because everyone wants the really big water bottles when you're at the gym, I'll actually go through like half or more of that in one gym session. Like it's perfect for at the gym. I love that water bottle. It's just like, ah, like the,

Starting point is 03:13:19 the dollar value was in the AirPods. Leave me my water bottle. That is custom sticker bombed. Like I, I literally can't get a lot of these again. It's kind of annoying. I really liked how it looked. value was in the air pods leave me my water bottle that is custom sticker bombed like i i literally can't get a lot of these again it's kind of annoying i really liked how it looked it's like when someone steals your wallet and you're just like could you have just taken the cash and left it there exactly like this is actually just really really annoying like i'm gonna cancel every one of those credit cards before you do anything yeah just the credit card company is going to go for go after their money

Starting point is 03:13:45 like you're not just any chance it's newer airpods no um because it's me so i have replacement ones now and they're also the old cheap ones because it's me um it's just it just sucks it's very annoying but the main thing that i'm annoyed about is not the tech product. Someone took my water bottle. Because I love that water bottle. I know where I can get a new one. I know I can get a new one.

Starting point is 03:14:16 I just... Headed to the end of the earth, Nuku Hiva for diving. Any places on your bucket list? Animals you're chasing? Seems to be an island in the French Polynesia. Wow, cool. I still want to scuba dive in Australia.

Starting point is 03:14:36 That'd be sweet. Yeah, that's on my list. I have recently gone on a few dates with someone, and I could use Luke's 100% success chicken recipe in the near future. When will we get that video? I've been told I need to film it for a float plane exclusive. It's coming. Yeah, so that's going to be a thing.

Starting point is 03:14:57 Don't look at his eyes. Don't look at his eyes. Hey, DLL. No. Hey, DLL. don't look at his eyes hey dll no hey dllo recently heard about a long range one kilometer wi-fi with enough bandwidth for video calls have y'all heard about this and is it even real i have heard about it i am so excited to try it oh i haven't gotten my hands on it yet i want to um i've already flagged it for the writing team i missed writers meeting today because i was busy filming our ps5 killer oh 500 pc that's pretty strong interesting that you're calling it a ps5

Starting point is 03:15:38 killer not a console killer ps5 just win that hard what what games would we play on an xbox killer get owned um oh man anywho uh so hopefully we're getting in touch i totally want to try it it sounds amazing it's different from what we've shown in the past with ubiquity's dish-based long-range wi-Fi solutions and that it seems to be more just non directional. You just everything's just connected. It seems super cool. I'm really looking forward to trying it out. Sweet.

Starting point is 03:16:17 Hi, Linus. Fellow tech dad here. Any advice on long distance parenting? I work overseas away from my child and kids and uh sorry my wife and kids most of the year is there anything other than video calls to alleviate missing them that sounds horrible um i don't think i could do it i uh the only advice that i have is stay strong brother i uh aren't there like uh i wonder how old their kids are did they say in the thing did it say nope i think there's these like presents pillow things that like glow the the

Starting point is 03:16:58 other one will glow when there's weight on the one of them okay and i've been told that it helps like if you're feeling really homesick or whatever it helps to like know i don't know i haven't experienced this so i have no idea but i've heard that's a thing and like people say it's like actually good so i don't know hey lld i will be in japan this summer for an internship doing data analysis with field programmable gate arrays fpgas what do you think the most interesting use case for fpgas are uh also luke what should i avoid in japan fpgas are one of those things where i wouldn't even begin to tell you what i think the most interesting thing they're used for is because they are used for everything everything they're either used in final deployments and that's why a lot of things are really expensive um so one example is those usb3 extenders that i have

Starting point is 03:17:56 if that was an asic it would cost a fraction of what it does but it's an fpga so it's really really expensive because you're buying fully programmable processors for both sides yeah it sounds really expensive yeah usb to fiber boxes right and they're handling high bandwidth low latency so that's what they cost right um and so it's either in mass production or mass-ish or it's in the prototyping of basically everything so i don't know everything fpgas are sick there i said it check out analog analog.co yep they make wicked cool stuff check out check out alibaba.com oh yeah yeah this i saw this i read it this week dare me to order i was gonna say are you guys

Starting point is 03:18:45 gonna get one unfortunately i would have to order 500 pieces oh my goodness i love that the number of people that don't understand how our screwdriver works yeah this isn't the same drives me absolutely crazy this isn't like a third shift situation guys there is no chinese factory to run a third shift how the fuck many times do i have to say this before people will somehow process that the ltd screwdriver is not some made in china rebChina rebadge. It just f***ing isn't. And no amount of whatever it is that you're doing over there is going to change the actual reality

Starting point is 03:19:37 that it just isn't. We collaborated with Megapro, licensed their bit storage licensed their ratchet heavily modified their ratchet design at this point with the stubby screwdriver we have actually modified their bit storage enough that we are no longer dependent on the patent for it um the ratchets are produced in china the shafts are produced in china the plastics are all produced in pit meadows british columbia the assembly is done here in the greater vancouver area there is no third shift just sit the f**k down

Starting point is 03:20:19 it's incredible uh anyway uh this was still pretty funny because um yeah a sample is apparently about the cost of these guys buying one of our screwdrivers so if you order a sample what's very likely is they will simply buy one of our screwdrivers and send it to you they've ripped the photos directly off of our site oh nice other than it seems like attempting maybe or maybe not like blur it out a little bit blur our logo a little bit they've even included our like crusty rusted bits that we use to demonstrate that you can install standard size bits in it. I would totally order one to see if it's even a somewhat close copy, but the issue is that they want you to order 500 pieces,

Starting point is 03:21:15 and there's no way I'm going to order a sample to see what they can make because they're just going to send me one of my screwdrivers. If I wanted one of my screwdrivers, I would just walk into the warehouse and grab one. Is the listing a scam though yeah the listing is in all likelihood a scam so there's a lot of so there's a lot of different takes on this you know one of the takes is see i told you it's just it was a matter of time there's a lot of like oh ltd better watch out for this it's the third shift and then there's a lot of people that actually understand what's going on here and that is that this manufacturer is fraudulently claiming that they make this screwdriver it is possible that you will get something in the mail that it resembles our

Starting point is 03:21:53 screwdriver but i promise you it will not be ours um and the attention to detail that it would take to get it to be ours would not be put in by this manufacturer there is absolutely no way because even though it's a seemingly relatively simple mechanical device the devil's in the details it's easy for them to make one actually it would be relatively easy for them to make one screwdriver that pretty much is pretty similar to the ltd screwdriver to mass produce it with the kind of quality that we do would be really difficult and that's what took so long um yeah so so that's the thing yeah is that trickle down economics thanks twitch chat i can always count on you yeah i want to make another facial joke lld how would you suggest verifying a user's child's age on social media without age verification just do it

Starting point is 03:22:54 the old mostly ineffective way yeah there's honestly i don't i just don't see how you're going to do it no database should contain that information about anyone, least of all a child. Yeah, no. Just, yeah. I'm sorry, I don't have a solution to this. And lean on the services a little bit to ban users if they're detected to, you know, not be a kid.

Starting point is 03:23:21 Hey, DLL, how far away do you think AMD is from catching up to NVIDIA on ray tracing? Do you think amd is from catching up to nvidia on ray tracing do you think they will sure and then nvidia will move again uh the only real hope for amd is that nvidia gets distracted kind of like what happened with uh logitech and gaming mice in like the late late 2000s um and like I guess the early 20, late two, late two thousands, early 2010s,

Starting point is 03:23:47 Logitech owned gaming mice. And then they were just like, Oh, well, webcam butterfly. Holy crap. What the heck is razor? That,

Starting point is 03:24:02 that is a, uh, that is an accurate recreation. It's actually quite accurate. That's exactly what happened yeah i'm a little frustrated with logitech right now um my my mouse died again i've had a lot of this one mouse um let me find logitech g i i have been uh i think it's maybe fair to say a Logitech fanboy for most of my life their forms for their mice just work for my hands

Starting point is 03:24:32 and their support is or at least has been legendary fantastic and it's pretty easy to win me over with really really good support and I've really really really liked their mice now they released a thing called the power play yeah i love my power oh my goodness the power play is amazing okay the fact that more people

Starting point is 03:24:51 don't use it drives me nuts it's really expensive luke it is you probably didn't pay for it i did actually oh yeah i'm surprised yeah did you pay for the most that went on it i paid for the most recent one that's going to go on it i don't know about all the previous ones i paid for the most recent one that's going to go on it i don't know about all the previous ones i paid for the most recent one and the previous one before i just mean your tech life gets kind of subsidized so when you splurge on a thing i'm a little impressed totally bought anything yeah but then i'm less impressed because the total cost of your entire setup is like maybe a grand or two and it's worth like you know five grand or whatever you know yeah yeah uh yeah so that that's that's totally fair it is very

Starting point is 03:25:32 expensive i just really really like the me too i really like it too it's just fantastic product really expensive for what it is like the the thing the problem it solves in your life is that every couple of weeks you need to go like this. But it's awesome. I know it's awesome. It doesn't even increase the amount of USBs because you can connect your mouse through the power play, which is like, thank you. I know, but the flip side of that argument is it doesn't even reduce the number of cables on your desk because you still have to run a f***ing cable to the power play. I'm just happy they thought of that it's just it's just actually a waste of money yeah that i love and you love

Starting point is 03:26:11 and we can love it even though it's a waste of money it's like children or my employment oh my goodness um right now if i go to gaming mouse pads on logitech g the photo is for a power play where are you going with this i don't see it oh because it isn't a mouse pad it's probably something else you're also on the canadian store i don't believe you're allowed to buy it available in canada can't buy it in canada oh yeah so you can only have it because you are a special snowflake wait is that the reason why i ran into this i hope not okay i love that you can sort by powerplay compatibility yeah okay so here's my whole point pro x super light 2 right right right right yeah powerplay compatibility no well try powerplay instead of powerplay compatibility go up

Starting point is 03:26:58 there's a powerplay what four down yeah well It's just the same thing as PowerPlay compatibility. That's hilarious. What? But yeah, no, you can't buy it in Canada, I don't think. I mean, Canada doesn't exist anyway. It doesn't say it works with PowerPlay. You can probably buy it on Amazon.co.uk and get it imported or whatever, but no, I don't think you can buy it in Canada.

Starting point is 03:27:30 I'm so upset. Yeah, i bought a to be fair i didn't look into reviews of the super light too but i bought a pro x super light because the super light too was not listed under powerplay compatibility i already opened the box it's on my desk. I'm screwed. At least it's not me who's an idiot on the show for a change. You know, it's refreshing, actually. That sucks. Why doesn't it show up under power play compatibility? Why is there two power play buttons? I don't know.

Starting point is 03:28:01 That isn't even the thing I wanted to be upset about. I'm actually more happy with them about this because that's easy to fix i thought they dropped powerplay compatibility from new devices and i was like wow that sucks a lot no powerplay is great and powerplay is not going anywhere as far as i can tell that's great i'd love to see it updated with a bigger mat and maybe usbc or you know something yeah that'd be cool man people saying i didn't do the research. I went on the official website and clicked power play compatibility and it disappeared. I thought I did do the research. I really like the mouse. I think it's okay to be honest.

Starting point is 03:28:39 But yeah, I've had three G903s now. And the left click is broken on every single one of them. i had i've had three g903s now and the left click is broken on every single one of them it's almost like all of those switches just come from a commodity factory and logitechs are not special yeah people game pretty hard these days too like i don't know man i feel like uh i feel like we go a little harder on our gaming peripherals that might be true like when i was a kid i played a lot of video games but i think by today's standards it's like not a lot not very much yeah yeah all right it might it might be reasonable lifespan i haven't looked into like the expected clicks and stuff like that um but yeah and i'm not ditching them because it's still my favorite mouse like i'll go i'll go try i did get a

Starting point is 03:29:19 different logitech mouse this time but i like this one too their forms just work so much better for me and i mean it feels great so like i don't i mean i regret not knowing that the two works with it but i'm happy with it anyways so that's fine yeah hello wan.dll luke other than the difficulty of building a kick-ass streaming platform what is an interesting challenge as cto for lmg that we haven't heard you talk about before oh you've heard it all before okay entering entering as that role into the hell nest that was the setup was a wild experience that I would not want to do again. Um, and it's still like a giant problem. Um, the, the,

Starting point is 03:30:09 the constant battle between trying to decide whether or not to fix the current fires or build the thing that will help reduce new fires is, is difficult to deal with because there's so many like massive projects that you would have expected to be done a really long time ago that were never done, um, that we need to do, but there's a lot of current fires.

Starting point is 03:30:30 So balancing those two problems can be difficult. Yada, yada, yada, yada. It's all a thing, but it's getting better. Sean's been doing fantastic.

Starting point is 03:30:36 It's been cool seeing him in videos now, um, working with Dan and team too. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Um, so yeah,

Starting point is 03:30:44 it's getting better.'ll get there it's okay but it's it it's been a ride i'll say that much the super light 2 appears to be on amazon.ca i bought a mouse it's on my desk i'm not gonna buy another mouse it was really expensive i'm not i'm not buying another mouse right now straight up uh i'm responding to a merch message that hasn't been read yet um thomas c says hey ltt i wish that more people would talk about accessibility with vr i have one eye there are some vr games where i physically can't get past the tutorial can you try the vision pro with one eye interesting the scanning didn't work but i wonder if part of the reason for that is that i trained it with two eyes

Starting point is 03:31:33 so i'm gonna see if i can find the thing to try it again uh i don't know i can never remember is it privacy and security or is it optic id and passcode i don't know. I can never remember. Is it privacy and security or is it optic ID and passcode? I don't know. Why would your passcode be under security? That's stupid. Gaze tracking works, which sounds like an entirely different thing. While you keep screaming about that,

Starting point is 03:32:02 Geek Person Man in chat said, PowerPlay compatible means the mouse requires a PowerCore module to be installed in the mouse while you keep screaming with that a geek person man in chat said powerplay compatible means the mouse requires a power core module to be installed in the mouse and powerplay means it's just built in cool all right i'm setting up optic id the gaze tracking is definitely a little bit weaker though though it makes sense no won't do it oh no optic id with just one eye yep can confirm definitely works with two eyes um all right so apparently the apple pro has accessibility options maybe there's something you need to turn on. Accessibility.

Starting point is 03:32:48 I input both eyes. Oh, I left. I only write. I only. All right, there it is. I still don't know if that works with optic ID,

Starting point is 03:32:59 but it definitely does at least have an option for it. So that's pretty cool. Good guy. Apple. That's it for that for now. I find it makes my eyes really tired using that yeah i'm back i haven't used it for the because you were using it for like whole days right i've used it for as much as um like three hours at a time and that was a lot yeah that really a lot like i i didn't have it on for that long, realistically. And I didn't run into those problems.

Starting point is 03:33:29 But I suspect you're hitting more around the hour, hour and a half mark where it starts to get pretty old. Yeah. Even at like half an hour, I'm kind of over it. I'd rather just... You know what? One of the things that really bugs me is it seems like a really stupid little thing. It seems like such an obvious fix but um i actually hate that i can only pin apps in 3d space i want to pin apps in relative to me space oh you can't do that not as far as i can tell but this is

Starting point is 03:33:59 yet another thing that i i haven't spent a ton of time looking up how to do things yet. I'm thinking on like what I've seen online and videos. People say you can, you can. So then, okay. Then that's something that will help a lot because sorry, uh,

Starting point is 03:34:15 travel mode apparently is what it's called. So yeah, I'm going to play around with that. Um, it's not going to fix every issue that I have with it because realistically most of my problems are just caused by that. I just don't really want this thing on my face right now. It would be nice if you could do both.

Starting point is 03:34:33 Like I would want to have some that were fixed in 3D space and some that floated with me. I would imagine that you could probably do that. Maybe. Oh, wait, not yet. travel mode is only really made for airplane usage etc speaking of airplane usage i was sitting sorry don't walk with travel mode though okay well then that's not really okay then that's not really what i'm talking about okay i'm gonna insert now so oh i've seen a video of someone walking down the street with Google Maps pinned. Okay, I'll have to figure it out.

Starting point is 03:35:11 But yeah, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about that I want to move around and I want it to just stay fixed to me rather than fixed to the environment. And it sounds like what you're talking about is travel mode figures out where something is based on its proximity to the headset rather than based on the map the headset builds of the world around you because of low light so i noticed that i was sitting in um my computer room at home and you know how our lights are automated and just turn off so in what would be probably like cabin, cabin brightness on an overnight flight, it was not able to handle tracking very well.

Starting point is 03:35:48 It would, it would often lose tracking and have connection issues and, and, and hand tracking issues. So that makes a ton of sense that travel mode would be for like that. That's what travel mode is, is a way to not have it reliant on that outside map that it's building but that's not what i was asking for so i'm just gonna i'm just gonna have to do

Starting point is 03:36:11 a little bit more figuring out i'm sure i mean unless that video is just fake but i i've definitely seen could be person was walking down that yeah absolutely i've seen a person walking down the street and the the i'm assuming apple maps or whatever but some form of map application was fixed on the left-hand side of their view no problem captain cosmo hit me dan hey dll speaking of ai fakes how do you expect the world to adapt to combat this we all know laws mean nothing especially when millions are at play should we be going back to carrier pigeons i think there's not a bad suggestion in person yeah someone made a comment earlier about our handshake deals back i had a conversation about this 25 million dollar thing with my roommate a day or two ago and we were both talking about how like yeah if you needed to transfer 25 million dollars

Starting point is 03:37:07 should someone just fly there and like do the deal or or even like if you if you need to get a confirmation like oh this the cfo was on the call or whatever like it's 25 million dollars maybe you should go to the cfo's office yeah and like see them in person just be like hey just confirming you know and like you're gonna have to work at a place where that doesn't seem weird so you'll have to like inform people around that you need this extra layer i mentioned maybe you have to call them on their cell phone as well as like a form of two-factor for communication uh so okay you have you have like someone on Teams tells you to transfer 25 million

Starting point is 03:37:48 or someone in a video call tells you to transfer 25 million. Okay, well, you call them as well. And you might see them on the video, like answer their cell phone and be like, hey. But if someone has their Teams account and they have their cell phone, like that's another fairly significant step. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:38:12 Yeah, go for it. So apparently Ryan Trahan did it, but he had to pinch on the app to hold it there while he was walking. Oh yeah, that's not what I'm asking for. I'm aware of that. I've done that. that probably explains the video i saw those that yep that explains it so the fact that that workaround is necessary and the fact that this made it to actual release with no one being like oh yeah that's something we should obviously do is just

Starting point is 03:38:38 sort of baffling to me especially if they have this travel mode where they map relative to the headset rather than relative to the map created from the environment around you as it's sure fake pinched finger stick oh genius genius could like sucker it onto your chest terrible irible. I love it. I love it. Linus question. Why are you still running the damaged Note 9? I honestly was expecting you to have moved to the Samsung 24 Ultra by now. Mostly curious.

Starting point is 03:39:23 Once again, the answer is going to be a lot less cool than what you might imagine. It is a ton of work with all of my, like setting up my notification settings in every app so that the things I need get to me and the things I don't need don't bother me and authenticating all the bajillion things that I have to sign into. It's just, it's a ton of work for me to switch phones. And I had intended to switch over to the

Starting point is 03:39:48 fairphone so i for that review man i put in the work so that i wouldn't have to carry my note 9 with me at all with the lg wing i carried the note 9 for like 2fa like i i didn't really use it but i like i knew i wasn't seriously switching to the lg wing i made myself use it but i didn't i didn't put my whole life on it with the fairphone 5 i did i was like i am switching to this phone they're going to support this thing for seven years or whatever it is so this will be like even if i move on to another phone after this this will be the one that'll like have all my stuff you know like that that social media uh or that um that messaging app that i only use to communicate with people i play badminton with in taiwan like i'm install that one

Starting point is 03:40:32 on there and migrate all my messages over and all this tedious crap i don't like going through that so upgrading phones for me is actually a hassle and maybe part of it is just like like ptsd from doing it so many times back when i would be reviewing a different phone every month or two like i think a lot of people were like oh line is so lucky he gets to use new phones all the time i freaking hated it it sucks it's so annoying it's not a good experience no it actually sucks um so i gave up on it and i switched to the note 9 so it has my whole life on it and i did that with the Fairphone 5 and it ended up being a complete fucking waste of time

Starting point is 03:41:09 because spoiler alert, is this a Fairphone 5? Yeah. I'm done the review. Yeah. So I don't know. I'll switch to something else at some point. I would consider an S24 ultra i i just nothing has sung to me i like i liked the folding phones though that was cool i switched over to the

Starting point is 03:41:32 fold three actually dan i still owe you that fold three uh i need to get my pictures off of it and then as far as i'm concerned you can do whatever you want with it i told him if he if he fixed it fixed it then he could use it uh i've just been really slow sorry dan it's sitting on my desk at home i will do you don't you don't have to i mean i hate all phones now because you ruined the last one that i loved well dan that's no no no no that's not the way it works once i say something then i have to it's it's not up to you to decide if i have to okay i have said i'm doing it therefore all right all right i'll do it that that i just don't want you to feel forced by social convention no i'm forced by me i'm forced by because I said I was going to do something.

Starting point is 03:42:07 Very, very simple. To me, a verbal contract is a contract. Anywho, the point is that I just don't like doing it. And to me, the three extra seconds, or actually on this thing in some cases, 30 extra seconds that I might wait for an app to install on the rare occasion that i bother to install an app on my phone uh is just not worth the trade-off of the three hours that i'm going to spend migrating everything and then the occasional you know three to thirty minutes that it's going to cost me down the road when i realized

Starting point is 03:42:42 there was something i missed and i need to go back and deal with it. It's just such a pain. Hello, when Wook and whininess does float plane give you any interesting cross statistics with YouTube? For example, are there any similarities or differences for video retention? Original float plane invoice 314 yeah luke um tell me what kind of analytics does float plane provide and how do they compare to the youtube analytics very fantastic and we have the best my friends tell me that we have the best analytics yeah so that's how you know it was the biggest lie of the show we have basically none uh there's certain things that we can ask aj to like manually pull up or ask jonathan to manually pull up uh but there's yeah there's pretty much nothing um i don't think it's you know they don't use firefox

Starting point is 03:43:38 yeah like there's there's stuff we can check um We have nothing. We don't even know how many views we're getting. I know AJ's here. We can guess, but like it's basically all guessing. So it's just like, I don't know, whatever. Yeah, YouTube's guessing. They just have the best guessing. They are extremely good at it. But like that's taken a lot of effort.

Starting point is 03:44:03 So I don't know. We would have to have an entire team that is much larger than the entire floatplane team that just did that if we wanted to even approach. I mean, we could get pretty accurate probably, but like ad blockers block a lot of stuff that aren't ads. And a lot of you guys run ad blockers. So it makes certain things unnecessarily hard.

Starting point is 03:44:24 To be clear, when you're on float plane running an ad blocker we don't care there's no ads on float plane it actually has zero impact other than that we can't build analytics we do care though because there's there's more than there's more than just like views analytics that we can't capture we also can't it also muddies the waters of capturing a lot of other things like well what would they care about i i have to go back over it again oh what would they care about nothing oh okay yeah it just affects us and our ability to know how the site's being used uh to to see how well the infrastructure and like okay i understand like that it's been a long time since i've had this conversation so i might be

Starting point is 03:45:04 saying things that are slightly off, but it's definitely not helpful. Troubleshooting info for us. Yeah, exactly. It blocks us being able to figure out troubleshooting stuff. I understand there are sites out there that are pulling information to sell by doing those types of things.

Starting point is 03:45:21 So I get it, and I'm not telling anyone to whatever. This isn't this isn't that conversation um but it is annoying when you're like actually just trying to do good things and it becomes inaccurate or you can't or whatever else because of that stuff um okay qs info for isps yeah that makes figuring out routing problems really hard when you can't figure out routing problems got it like it's yeah it's it's super annoying um but again i get it um it's just yeah if you're someone like google you can find workarounds you can do various things you can improve it um at our scale it's like oh man is there an option to not bother

Starting point is 03:46:06 yes sick love it duke linux and don good evening duke uh final fantasy tactics you should play it linux if you had to choose final fantasy 6 remake or tactics remake or sequel oh 26 that's a pretty good 26 years later i still play fft well final fantasy taxes has a sequel so i'm not gonna ask for that um if you're asking if i would want like a worthy sequel like as good or better in every way you know what i'd pick six remake I would want like a worthy sequel, like as good or better in every way. You know what? I'd pick six remake. I think I'd find it easier to find the time to play that.

Starting point is 03:46:57 I tactics game would just completely absorb my life. And so that's a very selfish reason for choosing that, but you asked me, so I guess it can be a me reason that's legit if i got like a like a real reimagining of six i think but then would i like hate it because it's not what i like and remember no i i think i i would love to i would love to hear tara's story retold yeah i'm gonna go with that yeah odd question about the business side as you build out your merchandise for sale how do you figure out the wait hold on i'm done with that yet though have you played any more six

Starting point is 03:47:28 oh sorry uh no but i probably will be this weekend all right forget it sorry dan go ahead sorry i even said anything odd question about the business side as you build out your merchandise for sale how do you figure out the design, handling costs behind the product itself so to stay profitable? Until Taryn joined, we just didn't. We eyeballed it. That's on brand. See, this is why we have to take away their Excel, because they're not even using it. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:47:58 Oh, they're still using it. There are people who use it, Dan. there are people who use it dan uh but like yeah we we knew approximately what our handling was from our 3pl because we know how much we pay them every month and we know how many orders they handled but we don't know a lot of the fine details around um especially like product development costs like i have no idea yvonne might know how much we spend on samples for clothing for example i doubt it um like she could maybe look it up it would be somewhat challenging um we uh nick says we didn't eyeball uh we didn't eyeball everything the only thing we didn't factor was opec on a per unit basis i i am pretty sure that there are other things that

Starting point is 03:48:47 we did not fully um fully map out but i know that we i know that we knew okay so just to be clear we weren't completely flying blind i have no idea i know what our income we knew what our incoming costs were approximately for like uh shipping and handling um okay but there's okay here's something that here's something that we just had no idea about was uh what our returns were costing we were just like oh uh we we think it's like within this range and it was somewhere pretty close to that range once we drilled into it a bit more, but there were clearly some things that were just like, oh yeah, we kind of were kicking the can down the road. And in fairness to the team,

Starting point is 03:49:31 I'm not throwing them under the bus, they were busy building new products and growing the revenue and figuring out how to keep up with shipments. And there were some things that fell through the cracks. There's some stuff that we've definitely got to clean up now, though. And so that's what we're working on. Hi, DLL. abstracting benchmark details from videos through speech or image recognition,

Starting point is 03:50:06 would that change your lab's data plan and use it in LTD videos? No, at this point, we really want people to have the data. And so we're still full steam ahead with testing and publishing data. Whether the full suite will be available to non paid accounts and things like that. That's TBD. Like how we publish it is to be determined, but we want to test it, we want to publish it. Hey, DLL, cable management when? But more importantly, what are your thoughts on digital identity, SSI, selfign identity to combat ai impersonation i mean i think luke and i have talked about that a fair bit on the show today i i just don't think that um

Starting point is 03:50:54 the only real solution is a decentralized one um good luck yeah good luck ai identity on the blockchain is that what i'm hearing yeah web three's back boys hell yeah cable management though very soon speaking of the team being hard at work on things uh it's a surprisingly complicated product for us to bring to market it's it's not the kind of thing that i think is obvious to someone who's never tried to launch a product before but you can't just you can't just sell cable arch at price um because the back to the the question of handling costs that the handling cost of cable arch would make it completely unsustainable for us to sell at a price that would make any sense for you so we have to make bundles of cable arch or bundles of multiple different cable arches in configurations that maybe make sense we have to find a way to

Starting point is 03:51:57 communicate that we have to find a way to market it um we have to find a way to present all of that on the website oh we're running into a problem there yeah that doesn't surprise me yeah it's like it's a lot of options uh and like visually explaining what it is and also having all the options and making it so that all the option combinations are not confusing and all of that all at once, it's a lot right now. I don't think we have a fantastic current solution, but we are working on it. Had a call with a bunch of people,

Starting point is 03:52:37 and there were some good ideas people were bringing up, and we're going to try to figure it out. I won't do much. All I've got left is potentials, Luke. There's a lot in here for you. Sick. Oh, wow, it's just Luke for days. I'm going to go get some more snackies.

Starting point is 03:52:56 Okay. I should have prompted you to read through these. Do you want to parse them first? Yeah. I'll just give you a second here. You know, I'm very confused. One of them, I just

Starting point is 03:53:16 really, I don't understand how it starts, but I'll field the question anyways. Oh, LDL is a chemical. I think. Maybe. Is it? Yeah. Sure.

Starting point is 03:53:34 We'll start with this one. Whatever. Luke, how do you select data centers for floatplane? I just started looking into co-location, and there are so many options at wildly varying price points. This is a much better question for AJ if you're in floatplane chat. AJ is hanging out in floatplane chat right now. But my thing that I'll add on is a very frustrating task that I've given AJ over the years is that, you know, we don't have a VC budget, so things need to be pretty cheap uh so so generally it's been like what's the cheapest possible way

Starting point is 03:54:13 we can get this thing um and then we use a lot of ovh uh we're fairly in their kind of like ecosystem at this point and they're they're very i'm surprised to hear you talking about that you're usually so cagey about uh ovh what sort of services we use and what specifically we use them for for certain things yeah but ovh is very easy to figure out that we use it yeah you used to you used to be you used to not want to acknowledge it so i'm just oh yeah i think i've always been pretty open about ovh specifically oh no i remember specifically you were just like don't give them anything i'm like okay oh yeah that sounds like me uh but yeah ovh we we use and we use a lot um and it's it's been pretty good for us uh there's been there's been times where there's been bumps in the road but like but ovh if you wanted to sponsor us and the reads were just we talk about our experience

Starting point is 03:55:11 overall really good it'd be pretty chill really good and really cheap like very cost effective for what we get um and honestly talking to other people that are in other data centers and being in other data centers sometimes ourselves as well there's bumps in the road everywhere so like i don't know we've had some doozies yeah but like i don't know cloudflare went down not that long ago google has gone down some amount of teams was a disaster two weeks teams was like right this happens to everybody um so it kind of just is what it is overall the uptime through ovh has been super good um i don't know yeah ovh has been good it's been a proven good strategy the entire time we've been there that was an aj thing from

Starting point is 03:55:58 back in the day and a jake thing actually both of them um so yeah we've sort of stuck there and then we've also worked with other ones as well but yeah hi bad cholesterol ldl low density lipoprotein question for luke have you heard of or tried the skyrim companion mod where npcs talk conversationally with you i have heard of it uh they all sound like AI, so I am not interested. Luke, Outlook lets you have different email handles for the same account and chooses which ones can be used for login. Isn't only using handles that can't be used for login the most secure system? I think that is super cool. I didn't actually know that.

Starting point is 03:56:40 That's neat. I feel like you can do the same thing with Google Workspace. I'm not sure though. I know you can do the plus alias thing, which is super cool. But I don't know if you can completely change it. I think you can. I know you can to a certain degree. But I don't know if you can use it in that exact way.

Starting point is 03:57:09 But I know you can to a certain degree because I have that. So if you only emailed out of one that wasn't the core login, I feel like that would work. So yeah, I think so. I think it works on both effectively. And I think that is pretty smart yeah aj saying you can have a primary domain id and then your email is different yeah so that that seems like a good idea smart idea hey oh when dot dll question for linus as a fellow xr enthusiast bullish on the monitor replacement use case is the immersed visor on your horizon

Starting point is 03:57:45 i think avp but one third the weight and cost i uh this is the first i'm hearing of it never heard of this it sounds pretty cool it looks like what they have they have apps for this colors theme makes me think about like why what do you like is this just a link to apple's website yep uh what the interesting uh it's on my radar now neat last two potentials well i need to email this to myself so i will not be helping luke got it i'll curate this one go luke luke you come across as putting a lot of thought and research into purchases what sealed the deal for you when it came to athletic greens this is a weird one they're sponsored sponsored

Starting point is 03:58:39 the show today so uh do you want me i absolve you of any responsibility for getting the sponsorship canceled okay cool sounds good um i'm just gonna talk completely candidly but i think it's mostly good stuff to be honest so it should be okay um i gained a ton of weight over covid i was not eating very good things and i was extremely inactive. When actually before that was kind of over, I hit a certain point where I was like, all right, I need to figure this out. So I started getting a lot more active and I started eating a lot better. But one of the ways that I started eating better was I started eating very regimented and I started eating a lot of the same things all the time. And by restricting my diet to a certain degree, I wasn't getting as much of a range of different things so i was worried about um not having good nutrient coverage essentially i looked into a bunch of different solutions um i tried a few different solutions um i think literal solutions yeah actually uh i think

Starting point is 03:59:41 ag1 doesn't taste too bad um wow what an endorsement i'm i'm not like dennis i don't think it tastes like pineapple and vanilla or whatever he says i don't get that at all but it tastes all right um where where does where is it between pineapple and banana and ass pineapple and vanilla i think is what he says probably somewhere in the middle like i don't i don't think it tastes great but i also have had a bunch of other ones you're here folks it's got a half-ass taste i i've had ones that are a lot worse so like i wouldn't want to dog on it for its taste and i dennis isn't the only person that i know that has mentioned pineapple specifically and he's not the only person that i know that think it tastes legitimately good

Starting point is 04:00:22 so i like actually don't want to dog on it for its taste. Yeah, and anything that is in the supplement realm is just super... It's an interesting area. I don't really want to mess with it. AG1 seems to be fairly reputableutable as far as i can tell um they seem to be pretty legit and i go with it for that reason mostly i did i did quite a bit of research there's a there's a bunch of people saying that there's like uh equivalent alternatives that are cheaper but then i when i was looking into those i would often find

Starting point is 04:01:05 not always but i would often find threads of people talking about how um oh the way that they make something or whatever is not up to whatever whatever i don't know blah blah blah stuff that i don't understand enough about and it seemed to be more legit more trustworthy to me i don't know i'm not saying that you should take my research and be like well i'll just get it then this is not part of the ad at all i have no idea i am not an expert on this i know nothing um but it seemed legit and i understand it was a bunch more money but it's uh i'm not i'm not i'm a little sketched out by supplementation in general but it's something that i did want to do so i went with that one because it seemed the safest i don't know that's it and last one i've got here got my 13 inch

Starting point is 04:01:58 framework in last week and i'm loving it do you have any updated thoughts on future gpu upgrades for the now 16 for the new 16 coming out uh ps unpopular opinion no beard is better that is an unpopular opinion how's wrong with you i don't have any updated thoughts other than that hopefully framework can find partners who will continue to develop gpu modules for it and we will get some choice in gpus i mean hopefully we will get some choice in GPUs. I mean, hopefully we just get some choice in GPU options that don't suck in general and that would benefit Framework and everyone. And that's it for the WAN show.

Starting point is 04:02:33 We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye. Outro Music

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