The WAN Show - We Shattered a Community - WAN Show March 3, 2023

Episode Date: March 6, 2023

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Happy Friday, everyone, and welcome to The WAN Show. I learned something this week. Maybe not this week, but recently. That short bit at the beginning where I'm looking at the camera, that's called a millennial pause. Why? It's really stupid. We'll talk about it later.

We've got a lot of great stuff to talk to you guys about this week. The wiggle that killed Tarkov, the video we talked about last week and kind of leaked, has blown up and in the process shattered the Tarkov community. I would say that it has broken it in half, but actually it's in about a million pieces. So we're going to talk about that. What else we got this week? The Olympics of Esports featuring games that you've never heard of.

You're picking that as a main topic? Yeah, yeah. Yep. I actually love this topic, and I'm very excited for it. Oh my gosh. This is probably my favorite topic of the whole show. And you only picked one topic, so I don't think you get to talk this week. I picked two. I had the millennial pause. That's a topic?! I gotta reverse-y that and throw it right back at you. What else? I don't know.

see that and throw it right back at you. What else? I don't know. You can buy a car that can repossess itself. I don't know. Whatever, dude. Don't listen to anything. They watch four hours.

I don't care at this point. Yeah, whatever. Alright Let's do the Tarkov topic last week yes last week luke accidentally on purpose leaked the upcoming video from goat you did it on purpose you did it well i didn't even know how can i leak what i don't know luke accidentally on purpose this the concept of a video from creator Goat, big Tarkov creator, who cheated in the game in order to expose cheating. The summary is that Goat basically went, I feel like a lot of people are cheating, but because there's no playback,

there's no kill cam, nothing like that, no match replay, I have no way of proving this. So the way to do it could be to cheat myself and see if I can identify other cheaters that way. When he got immersed into the cheater community, he found that there was an old way of identifying friendlies. That's not really in use in the game anymore by regular players, but is still in use by cheaters where one goes like that and the other goes like that to indicate, hey, bruh, we're on the same side. Now, the thing that made it so obvious that it was always cheaters using this wiggle was that people would be doing it from

clear across the map with uh trees and buildings and mountains in between them um and would be looking like right at each other because some of the cheats would actually tell you if someone had their crosshair on you is that right yeah so there's a bunch of different ones the one that he used in the video was like one of the easiest ones that you can get and it's been undetected for like years so that's the reason why he went that route so it wasn't super sophisticated but you could see exactly where people were aiming and you could see people through walls you could see what they had in their inventory you could see everything he also figured out after the video that people that have the more advanced cheats um it's all on a separate monitor so it's a separate computer so it's even less detectable so they don't see the uh the wireframe through the wall so it's not really a wall hack in that way but they have the radar on a side monitor so they do a different

form of wiggle which he wasn't even doing in the video so there's probably a higher percentage of hackers which is where because they can see where people are aiming it like draws a line out from everyone's character they sweep so they look left and right so they they like sweep their aimer line over you so that that's like they do kind of like a map wiggle instead of a leaning wiggle so there's there's probably even more than he thought. The problem with all of this is that the game is so realism focused and cheating changes the dynamic so much that essentially this video, Goat, has single handedly destroyed the community. Just dropped an absolute bomb. For this game. I mean, I haven't been paying close attention to it.

I've seen a little bit of the fallout, but can you kind of catch me up here on what's been going on? Yeah, so first off, I hadn't seen the video before it got released. Right. And he did an interview with me, which I thought he might use maybe 30 seconds to two minutes of. He used the whole thing. Oh, wow, okay. So, like, the second half of the video is just him and I so really you even bringing this up in the first place was

pure self-promotion apparently yeah Typical I think that was probably the wrong move And he has said a bunch of times like if he knew it was gonna blow up this much He would have spent more time working on the video etc But yeah, it's got like one and a half million views now it's massive for a tarkov video that's like unheard of um but that does mean that he's going to have some follow-ups to to try to keep pushing on this topic and he's like had a bunch of people reach out including people from the valorant anti-cheat uh vanguard that have talked to him

because an interesting thing that we brought up on the last show is that you can't have Valorant installed and cheat in Tarkov because Valorant's Vanguard anti-cheat will detect it and stop you which is hilarious So people from there have reached out and he's gonna have some follow-up videos which should be really good But the immediate aftermath of us like leaking it and then him launching that video Was just leaking us. Yeah, it was actually you Was absolute insanity first off people were spam posting it on the escape from Tarkov reddit But that reddit doesn't allow like cheater POV videos which kind of makes sense So they were mass deleting all the posts

but people were like this is very topical this isn't like someone advertising cheats this post should be allowed so there was this gigantic war there's a way on reddit I think it's not technically on reddit it's an external website but you can see what posts have been deleted by moderators and if you went on there I'm not a big reddit user you went on there- I didn't know that actually. I'm not a big Reddit user. I think it's an, I didn't know either. I think it's an external site. Someone linked it to me.

Wonderful community though. Not toxic at all. Just walls and walls and walls and walls and walls of deleted posts because all these people are trying to force it in and the moderators are trying to force it back. And it was just this crazy war. Eventually the way that people found kind of a loophole to make sure the post could go up there

was they took the clip from the WAN show of us talking about it, because we didn't have any of the footage. We were just talking about the video. So we weren't showing cheats. Yeah. I see. So they posted that, and then the moderators saw that and realized they couldn't really remove it. So they just blocked all comments on the post.

So they locked the post but let it sit there. So our WAN show clip was top of that Reddit for quite a while. And then eventually, the war just never stopped. People kept posting this video. So eventually, they unblocked the first one that came in and then pinned it, but I think they still locked the comments on it Yeah, and they had to make like an official announcement about and everything. I've I have never personally Seen a subreddit that on fire ever really have you hung out in the r slash Linus one Yes, actually even considering stuff that happens in there.

I've never seen a subreddit that on fire. It was crazy. And then, immediately after it starts getting spammed on Reddit, people start spamming Tarkov creators that are currently streaming the game, the video, trying to get them to watch it. Right. So these people had no primer.

They had no warning of like what it was. Just their whole community is like, watch this thing. Watch this thing. Go, go, go, go. And then they have to start reacting to it live. And that was brutal because like a lot of these people, especially if they're Tarkov creators, they know there's a lot of cheating in the game. Yeah. But they haven't seen it from a cheater's perspective and they don't know quite necessarily how bad it is they might have a pretty accurate assumption of how bad it is yes but

they've never actually like seen it right um so some of the reactions were pretty brutal a bunch of creators were like very negative about the video existing at all um and very anti goat at the very beginning yeah and then the community reaction to that was really negative so then the community's like really aggro against all these creators and then some of the creators start kind of flipping back now here's something here's something i did see my understanding is that there's some kind of of tier of participation within the the tarkov community where people get perks directly from Battlestate games that are, and I mean, you'll have to correct me if my understanding is not right here

because I'm not super into Tarkov. I've only played it a handful of times with like him and Joe. But my understanding is that on a fairly regular basis, they get like a lot of ammo and equipment. Like they get these packs or these drops that are quite valuable, and that while they aren't a bribe,

could potentially put them in a position where they want to retain their community liaison role in order to continue getting perks. So there might be an incentive in the community to kind of sweep under the rug anything that paints battle state games in a negative light is that is that a fair understanding of the situation so this is only something that i've actually even heard about recently because i've never i just like play tarkov with joe right so you've never really engaged in the community in that way like i i never, I don't really use Reddit that often.

I would never really go on the subreddit. Like I don't really care. I just played the game. Right. But very recently before this broke, I heard about that system. And I do know that some creators have some like very weird levels of insight into what's going on at BSG. Yeah.

To the point where there was a post somewhat recently where they were talking about how certain creators were like influencing the like dev pipeline directly and like meeting with developers directly, which is like. Fine, actually. Actually quite cool. But it needs to be transparent as well. Yeah. And in some ways it is totally like some of them will say like oh

i'm a tar i don't know what they're called because again i have never really cared yeah um but they're like oh i'm a whatever sherpas sherpas sure okay so sherpas is slightly different okay as far as my understanding goes sherpas are supposed to be people who like help other people learn yes tarkov so that's where some of the direct items came from i don't know if the other people learn Tarkov. So that's where some of the direct items came from. I don't know if the other people... That's what I think I was talking about. So I don't know if the Sherpas... Maybe they do.

I don't know a lot about this. Emissary and Sherpa is what... Emissary is the other one. W22Brown is saying in floatplane chat. So Emissary is where they have direct contact with BSG. Got it, okay. Sherpa is... I don't know what level of contact they have with BSG.

Either way, what we know is that Got it. Okay. to what degree right um and like but there's an incentive certainly for some members of the community to um downplay the impact of this of this cheating well and keep the gravy train rolling maybe even if they're not in contact with bsg and maybe even if they don't receive these well sure i mean it's kind of it's kind of like the way that apple engages with the press right they don't explicitly say look you're not allowed to talk about Hackintosh, you're not allowed to criticize this, and don't talk about this. But everybody knows, and everybody plays the game.

You get cut off. Or, well, it's less that you get cut off and more that you will never get the call in the first place. Apple's engagement, in many cases, has nothing to do with how many views you're likely to get. I mean, we'll get more views on an iphone video than 90 of the people they seat an iphone to yeah it's nothing to do with that but we're not stylish enough well i in particular am not cool enough to be

the kind of of press outlet that apple would want to engage with even if i was super positive about the products because i have been at times But i'm also a loose cannon. They know that they can't rely on me to be nice about it. You might talk about their products while walking in the rain. Yeah. Yeah. I just might.

So, so I could see it being very much that way where there's an unspoken, here's what's okay to talk about. Here's what's okay to emphasize. and these are all no-nos. So, and like, I don't necessarily know that that stuff is happening, but it makes sense that it might be with some of them. There's also other stuff where like for some, creators of any kind, realistically,

if you are tied to like one thing like if you are a parkov creator and that's it if you are a x creator if you are a y creator if you're type of one thing and that thing is under attack even with even subconsciously yeah with no direct contact with no direct benefit i mean look at what happened to your job look at what happened to ninja when fortnite became less culturally relevant. It's like one-to-one. And I'm sure they had communication. But even if they didn't, if there was a complete gap between Ninja and Fortnite,

Fortnite going down is going to bother Ninja. Whether he knows or not. It doesn't matter. The name of the person doesn't matter and the subject doesn't matter't matter if if tech becomes a tech youtuber yep and i have to pivot for us yeah and even if it's even if ultimately we survive and we kind of go okay we're going all in on channel super fun um yikes it's it's that's still a lot of work that's still a lot of stress that's still something that risk would be would be terrifying compared to oh i'll just uh you know uh let's let's do uh laser disc uh retrospective okay yeah let's go tech tech tech tech tech we should do a laser

disc retrospective anyway so that that's why like the the the creator is almost getting ambushed with this while they were live with no ability to watch beforehand and collect their thoughts and figure it out yeah i think is part of the reason why the initial reaction was so strong because it might be subconscious right yeah they're just like this sucks this sucks for a lot of reasons i'm angry and i'm angry and and they should be and that comes across as hate for the video or hate for goat sure when realistically they're just incredibly frustrated and also live and maybe it wasn't channeled properly so now that people have kind of cooled off a little bit they've had some time to think about it more and stuff the community is much more floatplane chat has given

us some interesting stuff here uh harry009 says axel did a poll about the video and 41 percent of respondents said they were planning to leave tarkov as a result here's one thing i will say to that though is if that degree of rampant cheating is making it so you don't want to play tarkov i got some bad news for you. You're a little screwed for almost any shooter. Yeah, because just about any game, probably not any better. Multiplayer. I think that in Tarkov, cheating tilts the scales maybe more than some other games. If I'm playing a team-based shooter, really good tactics. You could probably take down one cheater, depending on the degree to which they are

cheating. An aimbot is not enough you know in something like an overwatch um but what on the other end of the spectrum a a ability to see through walls without any aim bot or anything in tarkov is way more than enough yes where it's true it's like not enough in overwatch yes and and like in team fortress 2 so what they can see through walls? Yeah. It's like you basically know where everyone's going to be anyway. Yeah.

Unless they can see invisible scouts or unless they have an aim bot. But then usually you can tell if they have an aim bot. Spies. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Usually you can tell if someone has an aim bot and then you just leave the server. Whatever.

Exactly. It's totally different levels of impact. So that's true. But I. Okay. Let me. Let me kind of pitch this question to you. What does this revelation mean for the future of gaming in general?

OK, multiplayer. Is it fair for me to say that it's less fun than it was years ago? It feels like it. I don't know if that's because of the type of. Are you getting old? Yeah. Is gaming changing? Sure. Or is it that rampant cheating is not fun? Because cheating was a thing when we were growing up. Sure.

But it was way harder. Yeah. Like now, I believe Goat said five minutes. He Googled it and then within five minutes he had it running. Yeah, because you can just pay for it you can basically it's it's a higher a service that will get you up and running and they have like weekend sales and yeah it's it's a full-fledged business it's not like weird sketchy forums anymore okay so multiplayer okay single player i mean probably the only notable okay i'm trying to think notable single player experiences that have come out for pc in the last little while okay we've got your stray we've got it which must not be named yeah we've got other it which must not be named there's

two of them sure yeah the other one um single player has outside of major blockbuster releases or your odd kind of uh low budget or or indie breakout have been has has just been ravaged by unprofitability because how many years ago was fallout 4 yeah it's been 12 years since the last elder scrolls game and and it's not like it's one of those things where we can we can point at it and say well it's because of the proliferation of mobile gaming for example or like gotcha or like pay to win pay to win strategies from game developers but a big part of that i think a lot of game developers are more passionate about creating better more enriching gaming experiences.

And I think it's pretty obvious that with single player games where there is absolutely no online verification and no incentive to pay for it, if you can just play the exact same experience by yourself for nothing, I think it's pretty clear that they're more prone to piracy. Yeah. So what's going to be left? I don't know. When the dust settles. There's definitely some other games. Oh, yeah. That was last year, though.

Come on. It's been a bit. And I don't mean last year like it was 64 days ago or whatever. I mean, that was a long time ago now. I think it was beginning of last year. Yes. Wasn't it genuinely almost a year guy. I think it was so yeah. Yeah Yeah, Angry Birds Angry Birds will be the last game standing. Yeah, it's rough. I think my When this first happened so on the last show I brought up wanting a replay system And I still want a replay system, but...

Like in Tarkov, coming back to Tarkov. Yeah, I mean, it helps at least. Yes, so that's... But with Tarkov, the consequences of dying are so much higher that if anything, I would think a replay system would push more people to quit the game, which is probably why they haven't done it.

In Team Fortress 2... Oh, because you see the cheaters or what yeah if you see someone who's cheating and obviously their mouse cursor whipped over to you and they freaking headshot you as you barely come around a corner obviously you're mad but it's like i'm gonna switch class i'm gonna sneak up on them there's like certain things that you could do you could lose a hundred dollars like real world dollars worth of gear in one instance. And it's not like you could get it back. And considering the amount of real money trading going on in Tarkov, that might actually be very true.

Exactly. That's what I'm talking about. I have no idea what the values are. But so there's some ideas behind the replay system and how you could get the gear back. One of them is if you replay and watch a cheater kill you and you report them and then that cheater gets banned, your gear from that raid could get returned to you. Okay.

So there's some ideas to make it a little bit more amicable. My thing that I've more landed on now is I just think people need to care a lot more about anti-cheat and it needs to be more important and the approach that companies take to it need to be more like multi-pronged and I think that's the main reason why I want right a replay system is so that like we can help like i like the idea of the community being able to have because right now in tarkov and i think i brought this up last week say you're approaching a building and you hear someone inside and then you just randomly die yeah you might think like oh that guy's cheating he shot me through the wall or whatever maybe it was someone on a hill yeah

400 meters away that just shot you you have no idea so if you can watch a replay system it might get rid of a bunch of junk reports of people that aren't cheating yeah so that whatever developer whether it's bsg or some other game focus on the real problems focus on the real stuff so i don't i don't think it's going to solve the problem i don't think it's some magic bullet and i do think it would help in tarkov rather than invest i i think it actually obviously you want to invest a little bit in actual you know background process you know anti-cheat or whatever else but because so much of the value of an account is tied up in the items that that account holds i i could actually see see banning players as being extremely effective to reduce

cheating if you have the tools like replays that will allow the community to root these people out. I think it would help. Losing hundreds of dollars. And if they can figure out a system where they serialize, essentially, guns and other equipment so that they can see the path that it's following and basically just go like, yeah, look, we're going to get merciless here. Social credit system. If you are trading with cheaters regularly, you will be banned. So they've actually started doing that.

Yeah. Apparently they said in an AMA they're working on a replay system as well oh that's cool yeah uh okay so we'll get to things they've said in a second that's um uh but oh what was i just gonna say oh right they they have started banning and this has actually happened to a bunch of content creators because it's there's there's this thing called viewer kits so it's you you enter a raid with nothing on you so you enter a game with nothing on you and you join in with a viewer and the viewer dumps a bunch of stuff for you but you don't know like what it's going to be and then you pick it all up and then usually you kill them and then you have to survive the rest

of the raid with whatever whatever gear they gave. And usually it's like pretty meme-y. Sure. They'll give you like one bullet and like 30 flashbangs or something. And you have to like try to figure it out. But sometimes they'll be like really baller kits. But you don't know, right? It's coming in random from a viewer. Sometimes the people giving you stuff are people who have cheated or engaged in real money trading or RMT stuff in the

past. And BSG has started banning certain creators that have had that interaction happen because they're trying to ban people that play with cheaters or people that interact with other RMT type systems and stuff. And that has gotten really muddy because some of the creators are like, well, this whole viewer kit thing was allowed for like years. And dropping things for each other has been fine forever. So like now this is bannable. Right. But then it's we're asking them to work on getting rid of cheaters.

And this is one of the ways to do it. I've even said on WAN show, like people should start games games Just hurt banning people that play with cheaters. Yeah, but then it's an issue with Tarkov because Tarkov has those open lobbies You've seen them. Yeah, but you can just play random people, right? Yeah. Yeah, so like if you can invite random people They can't have that as a mechanic in the game anymore, but you're gonna ban people that play with cheaters It's okay to play with them. Just don't take any equipment from them So that's but then that needs to be communicated and like and that's gonna be tough and it's adding I mean if there's any community that could probably work around and do the research to figure out this kind of arcane bull Probably fair enough. Yeah

But like it's just I mean Tarkov is the gaming equivalent of having like the most tedious job ever as far as I can tell And we don't even we just do everything for him and he still thinks that It's brutal It's brutal Like even just the inventory management. Okay, so you got look at this Okay, so you got some med pack or something that takes up four inventory squares, and you've got some bullet or something that's sitting in one of otherwise four blank inventory squares.

If I take that med pack and I just drop it there, it doesn't just grab the bullet and put it in my hand and leave the med pack so that I can rearrange. It just won't put it down. And I'm sitting here going, literal, actual fucking Diablo one had that quality of life mechanic where if you dropped a large item onto a space that only has one item occupying it it'll

just put the other one in your hand diablo one 1996 yeah pretty rough okay, so Nikita or the I believe COO and like main Outward communicator sure from BSG the developer behind Tarkov. Yeah Has Started communicating a lot since this happened The first reach out was six days ago in a reddit thread called hackers cheaters and other related scum of the earth six days ago in a reddit thread called hackers cheaters and other related scum of the earth um and scum you say and he posts he posts a bunch of stuff which all sounds really good except people noticed immediately that he had made basically the exact same post not only two years ago but also three years ago and they were like borderline identical like they're so

similar and people pointed out on your screen right now or uh i can show the so this is the comment that i saw yeah you can show my screen this is the comment that i saw from listen liisn who posts out the two years ago and three years ago threads. And this is the thread from Nikita or Train Fender, I don't know, that talks about the things that they're going to do for anti-cheating. Here's the three years ago post, which is like extremely, extremely similar. And here's the, oh, this is part two that he posted. Part two is actually significantly more interesting. and he has communicated in like an ama and a bunch of other type of stuff in ways that that seem pretty good

if they actually do this stuff and it hasn't been enough time for them to really actually do anything right because like it takes time to develop stuff so i'm not sitting here imagining that they would actually be able to act on a lot of this uh that quickly they've tried doing some stuff very reactionary but it's mostly changing like properties and parameters and different items like things that wouldn't take that long because it hasn't been that long um but yeah reaction to his first post was super negative but then he's kept communicating since then and refined on things and then it's gotten more positive and the community's just going all Over the yeah pyro pinky

Points out that battle state gates games needs cheaters to help fund development. Dr. Lupo apparently has a great clip on why it's happening And will keep happening. I mean, it's it's a very similar if I if I had to guess I haven't actually watched it yet I haven't even read the comments under it if I had to guess I'd say it's very similar to the way that valve um you know is really doesn't like you know cash cash sales of skins and and everything else but functionally does nothing to actually stop people from gambling on them and spending money on them so because without cash, it's like anything. Without a cash value, it doesn't have a value. There is no actual intrinsic value to any digital item. It has to have a cash value. So as soon as you completely shut down people's ability to trade these items through some kind of marketplace, you destroy the value.

these items through some kind of marketplace you destroy the value um now i don't know if dr lupo makes some other different points about it but that's that's a very sort of basic overview of why it is in a game developer's best interest for people to exchange real world money for skins and in-game items there's there's no financial trading through Tarkov, though. There's an argument that has been made that these cheaters get banned a lot. I believe Nikita made some post saying that they banned over 4,000 cheaters just over the weekend or something like that.

In a weekend, I guess that's a lot. Some things to consider there is they may have made their parameters a little bit more aggressive in response to the video. So it may have cast a wider net and that may have been a one-time increase i don't really know i haven't read all of his posts and all that kind of stuff again i'm not even playing right now so like my amount of care is not the absolute highest sure um but so it really is just about you getting more exposure for yourself in his video. As far as I can tell, no one even watched that part.

And that's why you leaked it. It should not have been in there. No, I get it. Oh my goodness, I didn't even know it was in there. Anyways, okay, so there is technically financial reward for them if the cheaters keep buying accounts. That is technically true. Now, there's some questions as to whether people are buying them at full value because i don't know if it's still a thing but i know for a while you could you could buy them you could like vpn into a different country and buy it in that local

currency and it was way way way cheaper um but still resell those accounts at the volume that people are buying these accounts so it's going to be a pretty substantial amount so the argument then is that they want to ban cheaters to continue to get more account purchases but they don't want to ban them too well because they want them to be able to make more money than they're spending on accounts with battlestate because if they're if they're cheating in order to rmt they need to make enough money to pay for the account and make it worth their time So this is an argument that has been made That would be right some very impressive 4d chess if they were able to balance that perfectly. I mean look at It doesn't even need to be perfect though. I Don't I don't know I I could see it. I don't think it's 4D chess. I could see it being an incentive to not want to invest way too much more.

Yeah, I don't think it's a matter of 4D chess, like min-maxing their investment into anti-cheat. I think it's more about minimizing their investment into anti-cheat. Just focusing on other stuff. Yeah, so the threshold is not set by whether these guys can stay profitable. That's a happy accident. The threshold is set by just account sales and a real player attrition where people are not playing the game anymore,

which would hurt the value of the real money trading. Yeah. Right? So it's a different, like, formula, but we end up with the same result, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Maybe. Which is that they are not investing enough into anti-cheat.

I personally don't believe they're investing enough into anti-cheat. I don't think there's any way to prove or to state that that's the reason why, if that makes sense. Like, we have no idea. Maybe it is. Maybe it's not. I think it's a very dangerous game to play if that is the game that they're playing. Um, what I suspect is they just don't find working on anti-cheat very interesting because as far as my understanding goes, working on anti-cheat is insanely difficult. Right. And it's not very publicly rewarding right unless

something like this is going on sure so something like this is going on work on anti-cheat post your numbers and people are going to praise you and come back to the game but if something like this is not going on if nobody's angry about cheaters then nobody's talking about anti-cheat and working on anti-cheat doesn't bring you any benefit to your game right so I could see it I could see yeah I could see it being more based on that sure because if if there isn't and there's a lot of problems with dark off So people aren't screaming about cheaters right now. Well you have like one of the biggest decent problems of any shooter game Right should probably work on that you have tons of other issues that like demand Work, there's lots Should probably work on that. You have tons of other issues that demand work. There's lots.

Tarkov is so wide scope that you could watch any Tarkov creator, talk to anyone who plays the game, go on any forum that talks about anything, and see suggestions in every possible direction that are great. The potential backlog for this game is insane. Right. Like, you talk about how complicated some of the systems are.

They don't have to be that complicated to have the same depth. Right. Like, gearing up before a raid is always super annoying. What if you had, like... You guys seem to enjoy it. It's sort of sick to watch. I feel like I'm, like, watching your, like,

your, like, private enjoyment time, you know? The way you guys will sit and tinker with your different bullets and your different magazines There's definitely a perverse pleasure there Okay, sure, but if you love how much you hate it and then like put it on a mannequin So that if you die with your buddies you just like grab the mannequin stuff And it just all automatically goes on your character so you can jump back in the game Right you could spend time setting up your stuff when you're not actively playing with your friends. Which you definitely do enjoy. Yeah. Then that would be great. That's a feature that has been recommended. I think that would be awesome.

It would also take development time. Development time is expensive. Yeah. And development time has massive opportunity costs because they could work on other stuff. So like I think anti-cheat is just an unattractive thing to work on when people aren't mad about it. That, I think, is probably more real than them, like, gaining money from the sales to cheaters. But I don't know.

So, yeah. It blew up, and, you know, great work. Great work, work great work goat on the video if you guys haven't checked it out definitely worth a watch it's a bit of a longer one um in no small part because there's so much of luke talking in it but uh yeah definitely worth checking out here's his channel and you can you can really see the the impact of, the virality of this video. 34,000 views. 1.4 million. 550,000 from four days ago.

Oh, hey, look, it's us. Hey. Nice. Anywho, why don't we move on to our next topic today, which is the millennial pause. Yeah, what? I am getting very tired of articles that just kind of talk about the differences between boomers and millennials or Gen Z is working differently in the workplace. And here's the things that are special about Gen Z. I'm sitting here going like. It just kind of hurts my brain because.

Because you're a millennial because I think we all, I think we all learned, you know, very, very young that generalizing, just putting people into, into buckets like this is, is not constructive. I think that you can definitely have conversations about, you know, what the impact was of uh of a particular generation and of the the lifestyle that they led in general i mean i think you can you can look at the the wealth the the the the the the numerous uh are just the the sheer scale of the baby boomer generation and the amount of of wealth that it captured and and

continues to hold the power that it captured and continues to hold you can kind of go like yeah they they were extremely influential but to kind of go you know okay boomer essentially um and to and to be dismissive of boomers like i've met boomers that are anywhere from completely technically illiterate to being the people who literally invented the computer technology that you and I all enjoy today. The internet. Yeah. Right. Like that, that, that basically all boomers.

Right. Just by when all of this development was happening and how old that generation was. And in the same way, you know, I'll run into zoomers that are anywhere from computer whiz kids to kind of me going did they have the internet when you grew up couldn't you have just googled this yeah well why are we having this conversation anyway one of one of the dumb I guess I made the mistake of clicking on too many of these because I am interested particularly in sort of office and workplace accommodation. Clicked on a few of those. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Like, you know, management techniques and that sort of thing. And a lot of them are really focused right now. Yeah, see, Conrad said in chat, I'm a Zoomer. I have to deal with him. So I got to click on these articles. On Gen Z entering the workplace and all the ways that Gen Z is different. And whether it's your quiet quitting or whatever else, right? Like whatever workplace trends are happening. And really, as far as I can tell, trends are less about what's actually happening broadly and more about what's happening loudly on Twitter or on TikTok.

But that's a whole separate conversation. happening broadly and more about what's happening loudly on Twitter or on TikTok. Yeah. But that's a whole separate conversation. Anyway, I guess I've clicked on too many of these articles. And I got one that I came across that just felt like the stupidest thing ever. And I'm about to out myself as a dumb, out-of-touch millennial. But I learned recently what the millennial pause is. Are you familiar with the millennial pause? So other did are you familiar with the millennial pause so other than you saying it before the show no I've never heard of this okay the millennial pause is a short pause before you start speaking when you're recording a video so if you were say

recording a selfie for tiktok you would go okay on. Let me just open up my camera here. Well, I got to turn on my selfie camera. Sorry, I'm a dumb millennial. So my default camera position is the rear camera. Like some kind of chump. Okay, so I would basically go like this. The thing about Luke's shameless self-promotion in that Tarkov video is that he has every opportunity to promote himself. I mean, he's on this podcast every week. It's one of the biggest tech podcasts in the world.

So I just don't know why he can't be honest with me about the reason that he's talking about this goat creator and this Tarkov thing is just what he wants more followers for his YouTube channel. I pretty much promised that channel is never going to take off no matter how hard he works on it. So if he needs more money money why doesn't he just ask for it it's pathetic and end okay my only affiliation in that channel was this by the way all right so yeah the pause at the beginning of this okay hold on hold on okay stop so we go back to the beginning. That pause, that half a second.

Oh, sorry, I'll show the people. I'll show the people. The millennial not showing. That pause where I blink and inhale. That's the millennial pause. And the article goes on to explain that with Zoomers, they will just be talking already when the video starts. So I was going to say, for like a live stream, would we just be mid-conversation when it starts?

So that's what I'm talking about. I'm looking at this going, I don't know that this is a generational difference as much as it might just be a tech-savvy difference. Because I know that until the tally light is on my camera's not recording. Yeah But then ain't nobody got time for me to blink and inhale I guess So what do I make of this? Kind of what I was wondering is like do they just edit their videos better or No, apparently it is some combination of not caring and knowing the exact timing of when your device will start recording so that you are just talking the instant it starts recording so for us we would just have to not care because we actually can't know the exact time yeah well i mean i use so many different

kinds of camera like as a, as a creator, I. Well, no, because this is a live sync thing. You don't know until that initializes. Oh, I don't even mean WAN show. I'm just talking in general, just like any video. I, I, I promise you as, as a content creator, I will never not millennial pause because it's what, what I'm going to do another take because something wasn't recording properly jayden said in flow plane chat millennials lean more youtube zoomers lead more tiktok different time expectations and constraints that was my understanding too and then i read an article

recently yeah that showed that while they do watch a lot more tiktok they actually watch more youtube than they do tiktok i don't know if that's real it was surprising to me it might not be legit i think it was a survey more than like an actual data-based thing so maybe it's not legit i don't know but i just want to throw that out there because it's very surprising to me yeah so hawks are in floatplane chat says it's that millennials don't trust that the recording has started till they see it has started, which... So they just trust immediately upon pressing the button that it started.

Which I guess makes sense because we would have grown up with far less reliable technology. Like I, okay, a perfect example of this is that my Note 9, my old phone, had a little stylus, a little Bluetooth stylus that had a little button on it that I could use as a remote shutter. And one of the things I liked about it most was that it meant that I could hold my phone with my rear camera facing me so I could take much higher quality selfies because I didn't have to be able to reach around and get at the shutter button or even hold it awkwardly so I you know had could reach the volume button I could just hold it in a way that was comfortable you know put the arm around the missus and and click click

click click click click click but because I don't trust technology I think don't move yeah did it actually take yeah no it didn't because freaking 10% of the time it just doesn't right so Go get it ready again. Oh like I don't know Guys help me out here Apparently there's there's am I out of touch or is it the children? No, it's the children who are wrong, right? Like i'm trying to figure this out. There's a wikipedia article for millennial hit me The millennial pause is barely perceptible is a barely perceptible pause that is present at the start of some recorded videos sure Yeah, it's basically what we've already said yeah

You don't do the millennial pause in your YouTube videos because you have editors to cut it out yeah absolutely So it's just that zoomers take an extra 30 seconds to cut the pause like is that what we're talking about Yeah, this is funny. This is funny flow plane chat. This is great Ben Mitchell says I didn't even know what this was until you said it, and I now realize I've been doing it on apps like Snapchat. So apparently, it's cringe. Millennial pause is cringe. So you just got trusted.

Yeah, your age is showing, grandpa. All right. I didn't know. If you look at professional live productions, you can see the ways they accommodate this. Yeah, actually, that's really true. They don't have a pause, because they'll do five, four, so that you just start immediately. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's fair.

One of the reasons we can't do that on WAN Show is that our dashboard, like our restreamer, you probably noticed that we stream WAN Show on more than one platform. So that means because you can only have, to my knowledge, one endpoint in OBS. Is that right? I believe so. Okay. I think so.

So because you can only stream to one destination, we have to go through an intermediary server. We have to have an extra hop before we actually go live on those platforms. So we go to our intermediary, and then it splits out with all the different streams and all the different bit rates that are supported by the various platforms. We are usually live for a while before we go live on YouTube.

And the reason for that is that it's like the ultimate millennial pause. You know, we'll be live for 20 minutes figuring out if there's any technical issues that we need to solve. Kind of going, okay, yeah, we're going to need to play audio from my laptop this show. Let's make sure that's working. Okay, yeah, everything good to go? All the titles are right? Like, we'll do all of our pre-checking while we're kind of live and testing audio levels and making sure that there's no glitchiness. press YouTube and we spool up the restreamer to go to YouTube,

there is a different delay that what does it depend on? I actually have no idea because I've seen everything from as long as, I kid you not, about 15 seconds all the way to, you remember that one time a couple months ago? It was immediately live and I was caught totally unaware. If you look back at that WAN show, I don't remember exactly how quickly I adapted to it but if I seem panicked at the beginning of that show it's because whoa how did it go already I was expecting to sit there refreshing the page anywhere from half a dozen to a

dozen times to see that indicator go I've never bothered to look into like what's happening you'd be kind of neat to yeah have it be consistent but it's a pretty low priority in terms of development I think yeah, yeah, yeah, it's okay So yeah the pre-show is kind of our our millennial pause and then at the beginning of the video because I have to wait for A refresh cycle of that page to know if the check is green I Just so this is why I was saying i think the only solution would be for us to just

not care because we would have to be mid-conversation and then you notice that it's live and then we go yeah that would be the only solution i don't think it's a problem that needs a solution though yeah yeah i can just be millennial pausers i think are you technically a millennial i think so it would be like barely though right what's the what's the i don't know the cutoff who cares well that's the thing right is it's all arbitrary yeah i think though that in this case it does a 20 26 so you got to be 26 so then yeah you're definitely a millennial i identify gross old man at the very least yeah i've always like anytime i see anything that's like millennials have ruined uh plastic bags i don't know um i anytime I see anything that's like, millennials have ruined plastic bags. I don't know.

I'll be like, yep, that's probably me. I don't know. I always just, any article that talks about millennials, I just assume it's my group. I think I'm a pretty bog standard millennial. Yeah. Yeah. Millennials are apparently killing drinking is one of the new ones.

Oh, yeah, that's us. Millennial stereotypes. Okay, let's have some fun millennials are lazy i mean wouldn't you be if you didn't have to do everything manually just because you walk to school you know uphill both ways doesn't mean i should do it yeah it's supposed to be better right isn't that the whole idea it's supposed to be better yeah things are supposed to improve yeah like now it's only uphill one way man that's good my mom did this thing where she got rid of her microwave because it was like it was making something dependence on you know it was like too convenient and blah blah something i'm sitting here i'm sitting here going like you're gonna have a microwave again in less than six months i can guarantee it sure I was 100% right about that.

Oh, yeah. Of course they have a microwave now. And any time I bring it up, it's like the subject is very quickly changed again, which I really enjoy. Because I was, I don't know. Sometimes I can be a very direct communicator. I was extremely direct about that one.

I was like, that's really stupid. So you're just going to take forever to heat things up? For what? I mean, are we even going to talk about the fact that you're burning fossil fuels in order to heat things up on your gas stove? Probably not properly ventilated, whatever. It might be, but probably not. Yeah, microwave is just plain good um yeah okay millennials are technology obsessed yeah that's why not it was we it's just better the internet

happened like while we were growing up that was a big deal well we're uniquely positioned to see the before and the after yeah right like when i was in grade two, I still remember this stuff. Like, you know how you can have, like, little snippets, right? Is Valley speak? Like, Valley girl speak in here? No, it's not. But, like, you know how you can, like, have these little snippets of memory or, like, little flashes, you know?

Like, you don't really remember it, but it's like, I know I did this report on boa constrictors. Sure. Why do I know that? It was in grade two. And I can almost see my terrible illustration on the cover of my duotang. You know, right? And I still remember the layout of my elementary school library. And I still remember where the encyclopedias were.

Yeah. And the other reference books. We did book reports from books, like on nonfiction topics, right? And by the time I was in grade... It's like if someone else had the encyclopedia that you needed, because there would be like the encyclopedia would be a whole shelf because it would be all alphabetized. And if they had the letter or whatever,

you just have to wait. Or my school had several encyclopedias, only one relatively current. So you could see if you could find any information in the older one. Other than that, you were pretty much boned. Then I was in grade four, five, six when Encarta, you know, an encyclopedia on CD-ROM became a thing that you could have. Then you fast forward just a couple of years later.

And when was Wikipedia founded? Well, you look that up. Apparently, Wikipedia claims that millennials are people born from 1981 to 1996 okay so then wikipedia came along by the time i was in high school wikipedia was a thing was it perfectly trustworthy of course not is it perfectly trustworthy today of course not but it's certainly it is certainly a better place to start then crack an open a dusty tome I will promise you that right and then and then we lived through the the move from text to multimedia to video right so we've kind of video move was like kind of messy because people think of it

now as these like centralized things like there's okay there's youtube there's i guess tiktok there's facebook with video there's instagram with video whatnot at the beginning of video on the internet it was just all these like random sure yeah like people with sure but even like think about justin tv before twitch yeah like it was just a weird janky website that happens to support live video like it was not it was not Corporatized it wasn't clean well that it wasn't organized no a lot of original video viewing new grounds you would just download it You couldn't even watch it live it Was just you'd see all these thumbnails and you would download the whole video where do people even watch like pure ownage you know yeah? I think you had to download. I think you had to download it and like the numa numa video

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you just had to download that I'm pretty sure yep like it was a very it's and people would share People would share stuff through just these like insane email chain letters that you would just see like oh right in times I Never that was i was not on that train that was an okay boomer thing for me yeah for sure yeah for sure okay uh millennials are more socially responsible um well the word more is important i think that i think that when it comes to mindless consumption, I definitely notice more of it with my elders. Yeah, so is the more compared to... I love my family. Or Gen X.

But my boomer relatives, the way that they just buy the dumbest sh** and just don't understand why I don't want it, I feel like that's a frustration that i share with a lot of my peers gen x is 1965 to 1980 and i guess boomer is before that yeah from 1945 to 1965 in my experience from yeah from my experience boomers definitely a lot of consumption gen x not so much well boomers had a lot parents not a lot of mindless consumption yeah okay i mean it also i mean but that's the thing is right these are generalizations and there's always going to be individuals for sure there's always going to be alternatives i

know plenty of millennials that just mindlessly acquire oh yeah just acquire yep i mean the habits of certain friends of mine go through that transition of like where do they get their source of happiness? Okay, it's like sports or hanging out with their friends every day or whatever in high school or whatever it is And then they get a job they stop hanging out with their friends They stop playing sports and now it's just like buying things or like drinking alcohol or whatever like the the source of happiness shifts And for some people it goes to retail justail therapy. Yeah, I heard of that. Millennials are job hoppers. I mean, I can't say that's been a thing for me, but I think in terms of generalizations, that's probably a truer trend. I know a lot of people that do. But like, let's

look at the way that the landscape has changed in terms of the workplace i mean boomers enjoyed by far the best worker protections of any generation as far as i can tell we went from uh essentially you know a free-for-all right like realistically there were there were there were two enormous global conflicts in the in the 20 years leading up to like 25 years leading up to the baby boomer generation, scarcity was a huge thing, and you basically did whatever it took. Forget about protections. There was also the Great Recession. Yeah, well, when did the New Deal kick in? Was that Roosevelt? I can't remember. So we're talking about this from a North American perspective, obviously, right? that roosevelt i can't remember so we're talking about this from a north american perspective obviously right um but you look at the at the at the trend towards like union employment in north

america and then away from it as we're going into now just about the least union thing ever which is would be the gig economy and gig economy has been sold as a positive thing, but I patently reject it. I mean, we had a lot of conversations early on about whether Linus Media Group would take on contractors, for example, which is quite common in the production industry. You just hire contractors for your projects, and then at the end of the project, you cut everyone loose and then you bring on a new set of contractors, some repeating, some new, for whatever your next project is. And I was like, well, no, we're never going to be structured that way. We just need to make sure that our pipeline is consistent enough that when we hire people, we bring them on full time

and they have the benefits of being employees. But I would say that for many millennials it's probably not a choice to be a job hopper like if you don't have if you don't have the protections um and my brother used to drive truck for the so yeah in vancouver there's like some people refer to it as hollywood north there's a lot of film done in vancouver and my brother used to drive he was a teamster so he'd drive trucks he would do he would do whatever for for the movies and uh he did very well for himself he did a really good job so it was fine but uh it was a contract position there was a union but he was still a contractor under the union so he'd work a movie

or a show and then it would end and then see you later maybe he'd have another job lined up maybe not yeah who knows it's again he did well so people would request him so he did fine but like it's a little sketchy you know so yeah So, yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, you could probably make that generalization, but I don't think it was a choice. I think if we could just be lifers at one company and have that actually work out fine, then that would be great.

There's also been a trend of, yeah, needing to hop for, like... Compensation increases. Livable income reasons. Yeah, because you look at like... Compensation increases. Livable income reasons. Yeah, because you look at the way, especially at the very low end, the way that compensation has scaled relative to living costs. It's ridiculous. So you've got to hop trying to grab that.

It's also, Jaden pointed this out, and I think it's going to be off my screen, so I don't think I'm going to be able to quote it perfectly. I'm sorry. Oh, no, it is. He said, this is the age of the side gig. So we went from one person being able to generate a comfortably healthy enough income for a family of four to two people needing each of them having full-time jobs

and side gigs to barely scrape by. It's been pretty rough. And then there's the next generalization, our sense of entitlement i mean i think that feeling like you're owed something when you look at how things you know man uh how like impossible it is to buy real estate how possible it is to own realistically anything every time it trends like boomer senator or you know boomer you know investment banker or whatever uh guesses how much houses cost oh yeah and the values are like literally yeah not not i mean groceries not so much because that's a question of inflation whereas housing costs are not a function of

inflation they're a function of the commodification the groceries one is yeah you'll sometimes hear uh the question asked of what cost of living is so they'll say like oh you probably have to spend this much on your on your rent this much on your food whatever and the food number is always like bro i would feed an average person for like a week not a month like i have been i i am in a very um i said i sorry i sent linus a picture i don't even think it was that long ago yeah because i was buying this like package of chicken surprise surprise um and it's the exact same package of chicken from the exact same store yeah that i've been buying it from forever it's and i i don't remember the year gap but i think it was like five or six years something

like that and it was exactly double the price i that's crazy i am in a very privileged position where i don't have to think too much about the cost of groceries and so for many years i didn't look that closely because i you know especially before we had a family, it just wasn't that big of a deal. As long as we weren't eating out too much, it was fine. It didn't really have to think about it, right? Even I am noticing, it's just mind-blowing. I saw a little pack of raspberries. Yeah, they're out of season.

Sure. I saw a little pack of raspberries about this big by this tall not even the deep one okay pack of raspberries yeah the shallow like tray it was over ten dollars at nester's market ten dollars yeah it was like 250 grams of raspberries. I left Savon with three grocery bags and it was like $160. I was just like, oh man. And like, yeah, they were fairly stacked full, whatever, whatever. But like,

damn, I don't know. The commodification of real estate does need to end. And then the last stereotype. Millennials are praise hungry. I mean. Doesn't hurt. Yeah.

All right. You know what? I'm okay. I'm okay with being a millennial. Yeah. Give me my avocado toast. It's actually pretty good. I never liked it.

You got to get tuna and cheese too, though. I like tuna and cheese on my avocado toast. My partner made some for me and she had like red onions on it along with the avocado and like all this other stuff. Sounds expensive. And I was pretty sold. It was actually like probably pretty expensive. Yeah. Yeah.

Man, we went out for dinner. That was really expensive. Okay. The biggest problem was it wasn't that good. Like, look, I've got kids. Okay. I don't really go out anywhere other than, you know, stuff some food in your face and feed your brood kind of places.

You know what I mean? So, yeah, we'll hit the IHOP or whatever. But we went to kind of like a mid-scale place, like a little bit nicer than IHOP, but not like, you know, Gotham Steakhouse or whatever. It's not too crazy. But it's like a... Nice enough. Yeah. And still like steakhouse or whatever you know like just not too crazy like but it's like a nice enough yeah and still it's like a chain or whatever though and like what was my

entree like 26 or something like that yeah and it wasn't even big no it was pasta yeah it was pasta it's practically free just fill the fucking plate It's like cheaping out on the rice! Yeah, mine was really expensive too. It was like, I don't know, I would, in that case, I would have been more happy if I thought it was better, but it really wasn't that amazing. Yeah, people like- I mean we were talking about it while we were there too and it feels like the relative cost of groceries versus restaurants i feel like groceries have has gone up sharper than restaurants have i don't know because like if i compared i just haven't eaten out enough so it's hard for me to know well because i was thinking about when we went to darren when i

was at the grocery store and i was comparing some of the costs of the things that would have been included in my meal and i'm like yeah that was really expensive also they didn't really make a ton considering someone had to cook all this and it had to be served and we took up space in an establishment all this kind of stuff yeah there's not that many people in here so you know rent has gone yep so like all these different factors i was like wow i really they they didn't hose me here like yeah it just is really expensive yeah i don't know what do we want to talk about next olympics of esports yeah wait did that phone with the game on it ever make its way to us dan did you get it? No. Oh. WAN Show writer asked.

It was said there was a phone. Wait. Are you still here? Oh. Do you hang out during WAN Show now, too, but you hide over there? Oh, okay. We'll introduce WAN Show writer once the probation period is over, but assuming everything goes according to plan.

But I think it's time for us to talk about the Olympics of esports. The Olympics, not only that, the Olympics is getting esports. The Olympics has declared their first ever competitive esports competition. And honestly, when I saw that title, I was actually a little excited. Because I was like, you know what? Except that the Olympics is a horrible, horrible organization. Or the IOC or Olympics is a horrible, horrible organization, or the IOC or whatever, is a horrible organization, and you should have known immediately, as soon as they were involved, that it was going to be terrible. This is on you. My naivete assumed that they were going to do some really informed things with this.

They freaking didn't at all the list of games to be included in this competition Lacks things that you might expect like counter-strike or dota legal items a rocket league my initial reaction They don't have rocket league. No well. Why would they what they don't have dota or League of Legends? No, I have actually not looked into this. Oh oh no wait so they don't have actual competitive esports so insanely worse than you could possibly imagine because i assumed it would be terrible and therefore didn't look into it it's so you actually know more about this than i do yeah my initial because the way that i've always thought they would do this is they would include things that are not necessarily that relevant anymore. Like maybe... Wait.

Hold on. Wait. Hold on, we'll get there. No. Hold on. No, I can't. Now you understand why this is a main topic. Wait.

Yeah. No. Yeah. No. Yeah. No. Okay, we'll skip my anecdotes. We'll go right into it.

No, no, do your anecdotes. I need to recover. Okay. So I have always imagined that they would do this in a kind of weird way. They would pick games that aren't necessarily super popular anymore. Because if you pick Dota or League. StarCraft 2. They're going to rebalance it, right?

Sure. And it's going to be a problem. So pick like StarCraft 1. Oh, I see. They're not patching that game anymore. It's fixed. Sure. Right?

And there's a lot of skill involved. Very specific skill involved that you could kind of measure people could actually Be better at each other maybe like I don't maybe not CS go like this is currently under development You know like a pure skill shooter or something like that and like there's problems with that. Oh my goodness 1v1 me quake 3 let's go yeah, so like it would be interesting. That's maybe a way to approach it, right? Maybe they do go with the current generation stuff, but then it becomes an issue. Which one do you pick? Dota or League?

There's going to be a massive war about that. And how do you balance this idea that people are actively like... It just becomes weird commercially. What they decided to do was the absolute worst possible option out of everything that you could have possibly imagined i don't think that anyone could have guessed what the f**k is tic tac bow well it

makes sense that you've never heard of it because uh is there a list of all the things that they picked so there is somewhere yeah uh dan do you do you want to jump on the Luke camera here maybe and I can play some tic-tac-bo for the people while we get this going? I want to see the Olympics eSports page really quickly. Enter the arena. Yeah, here we go. Olympic eSports.

Arena mode. Okay, I'm joining arena mode. What the devil phone is this my goodness it's an absolute brick okay it doesn't matter twitter post i just want to see the list of the categories so i pay i pay to enter the arena but then i can win a prize if i win it's plus 20 if i lose it's minus eight oh my god my slots for loot crates are currently full and you will not be able to earn new crates you can still earn trophies and go oh my god okay air arena to lion city searching for opponents alright I have

strong wind resistance stats here Dan are you having a hard time finding the focus button over there? It's locked? Okay, cool. Thanks, Dan. Okay, it is my turn. What do I do? Oh, my goodness. What did I just do? I don't even know what just happened.

I don't know how to play this. Oi, oi, oi, oi. Oh, what the? Oh, what the crap? So I'm almost out of time or something? Do I let go? Hey, you got the top middle one. Time for the other player to play this tic-tac-toe game

that is apparently in the Olympics. What? It just goes exactly where you say. What the crap? Okay. Okay. exactly where you say what the crap uh okay you just yeah it just it there's it doesn't even drop off what the heck is the point of this amazing i mean i've played tic-tac-toe games at Castle Fun Park that are kind of like this. Have you ever played basketball tic-tac-toe? No.

So you have to sink a basket to hit the thing, right? Apparently there's a little bit of drop-off. There's not much, because I am nailing this, even though I've never touched this game before. Well, maybe you're just an Olympian. Oh, okay, so you can convert someone else's thing to your thing. Okay. Okay. So that's neat.

But then I guess I just need to do this. Oh, hello, buddy. Okay. So. But then they still get to go. Oh. No, I won. No.

Why would- why on earth would they have shot that? Future Olympian, Linus Sebastian. Yeah, yeah. Milk Fantasy was defeated. Okay, so- What a username! So that's archery, but there are more sports, right? The sports that they chose were archery, baseball, chess, cycling, which is one of my favorite ones, we'll get into that in a moment, dance, motorsport, sailing, and taekwondo and tennis.

Taekwondo and tennis. All of these are represented by video games, as you would expect. Some of them are... Please tell me tennis is Wii Sports. Honestly, when I first read this, I assumed it was all going to be Wii Sports. Tennis is apparently Tennis Clash. Taekwondo is a game called Virtual Taekwondo. Sailing is a game called Virtual Regatta. Okay. I don't know. Yeah, Regatta is a sailing called virtual Taekwondo. Sailing is a game called virtual regatta. Okay.

I don't know. Yeah, regatta is a sailing competition. Okay, makes sense. Motorsport is just... No, well, it doesn't make that much sense. It's like boating culture sense. So it doesn't make sense, but... These two line up best for me out of all of them.

Or no, that's not true. One of them later on does a little bit more. Motorsport is just Gran Turismo. Sure. It's like, okay. Dance is just dance. Okay. Cycling is Zwift. We'll get into why that's interesting in a second. Chess is just

chess.com. Okay, alright, let's go. Okay. Okay, games. No, how could they screw that up? Except, no. Hold on. Before people get into the battle between chess apps, I like No, how could they screw that up? Except... No. Hold on. And I... Before people get into the battle between chess apps, I like and use both of them.

Okay? So relax. But chess.com is the more corporate-friendly, lots-of-paid-options version. Lee Chess is the free-for-everyone-all-the-time, everything-is-free, doesn't-ask-you-to-pay-for-anything option. Sure, but at least it's a valid measure of your chess skill totally like that's where i'm coming at it from

because that is not archery and chess.com is legit and there's no pay to win on chess yeah yeah yeah yeah that's all fine no major problem there baseball isball is WBSCE Baseball Power Pro. Sorry, I will say it properly. WBSCE Baseball TM Power Pros. And archery, as we've already seen, is Tic Tac Bow. Well, the reason why you haven't heard of Tic Tac Bow is because it was literally just released. It had, when I looked at it, it had 100 downloads on the Android Play Store and is not on iOS. So it's not a game that people have really played before.

I guess it's a level playing field then. For now, until they microtransaction the crap out of you. So it also has some issues because there's microtransactions that apparently can actually give a competitive advantage. Oh, good. Rough. So Olympics just becomes even more pay to win than it already was it also looks like tennis clash at least at least the previous pay to win was like which countries have the best you know money to pay coaches and money to pay athletes

to just be athletes or to buy equipment like special shoes or whatever else. So now it's just, no, you actually just dump money into a mobile game studio's account and then you're an Olympian? One of the ones, so chess I think is interesting. I think it's very interesting that chess is in the Olympics now. But that's kind of, I feel like chess out of all of these, it's in its own little area. Yeah. There's no pay to win. Yeah, chess is fine. I don't know that we needed olympic chess i think it could have been any i think chess could just do their own championship

which they kind of do already which is totally fine yeah but if the olympics raises the profile of chess i think that's super cool yeah i chess is kind of its own thing in this in my opinion but i could almost see it being like a completely separate event like why have just chess why it'd be kind of interesting if they promoted like a different form of it like blitz yeah well i mean you've already got the you've already got the olympics you've already got the paralympics why don't you just have like the board game olympics then at that point right like do it during the same period make it part of the event like it doesn't have it doesn't have to be the olympics yeah fair enough to be an ioc you know event mind yeah you could you could have like go and chess sure why not yeah that'd be really

interesting majeure poker like i don't care yeah screw it uh cycling i don't know a ton about zwift but i just find this very funny i'm fairly certain that Zwift is just like a stationary bike racing game. So I'm pretty sure the eSport of cycling... Is just going to be cycling. Is just cycling indoors in a stationary position. Yeah. Which, like, that's great. If you get your cardio by chilling at home on a bike, ripping through whatever, fine.

Maybe you're sketched out about, like, biking around in the rain if you live somewhere that's really rainy or whatever else, because you don't want to, like, fall. Like, I don't know. Whatever. Sounds good. because you don't want to like fall. Like, I don't know, whatever. It sounds good.

But did we need cycling but stationary as an Olympic sport? I don't know. Doesn't seem like it to me. Like there's, I see different categories for this, right? So chess is in its own kind of thing. And I agree with what Linus said. Maybe it could be there, but if it's there, I feel like we should have an assortment of those games like Mahjong go all this other kind of stuff

then there's there's archery and baseball and What is it taekwondo? Yeah, and or not necessarily talking about archery baseball and tennis where they're just like these micro transaction ad based Pay-to-win games which are like clearly junk like why is why is this a thing and then there's the two what do you mean junk? I won that archery match. I apologize future Olympian line of Sebastian Then there's the two like these are major title video games games. Yeah, just grant for motorsports Okay, and just dance for dance which is like okay, that's Interesting. I mean if you're

gonna go if you're gonna go full meme like make it ddr then let's go honestly yeah in my opinion i have watched people play ddr ddr with fascination pretty cool because it's amazing yeah yeah i think compared to just dance, DDR would actually be a much more interesting spectator experience. Yeah, especially if it was, like, almost, like, gymnastics-based. You know how they have to, like, pick what moves they're going to try to do beforehand? So in DDR, you could be, like— Oh, so it's down to the execution. I'm going to do, like, a multi-pad.

So I'm going to, like, dance across these two pads at the same time. Yeah. Like, try different difficulty rating things. And then you have, like, kind of—I think you could have like it could be cool a touch of subjectivity like or not subjectivity but like you could have kind of like what they do in figure skating where the there are points assigned to the difficulty of the routine exactly yeah so if you have to switch pads six times that has this modifier or whatever else yeah you could totally build a system for that that would be kind of awesome there is a hundred percent a way that you could totally build a system for that that would be kind of awesome. There is 100% a way that you could do Olympic dance

that I would... Olympic dance is an e-sport. But just dance? That I think would be interesting. Come on! Probably not. I mean, the tracking's not even accurate enough. At least with DDR, there is a clear...

There's a precision to it. Yeah. You know, there's a way to measure objectively how close to the desired result the participant got you know yeah i there there are people who are at master level of ddr that i don't care if you've never seen ddr before i don't care if you don't care about dancing games i don't care if you don't care about dancing games. I don't care if you don't care about rhythm games or whatever. It is genuinely fascinating to watch them just like rip on like these insanely high difficulty songs or in very difficult ways or whatever else. Yeah. And they always do that thing where they put their arms behind them on the bar.

Like if I genuinely tried to do what this person is is probably gonna do once we get into more difficult parts, my legs are gonna twist up and I'm gonna fall over. Like, there's no... I'm never gonna get this done. I'm not built for that. I couldn't even touch any of this already, and you're telling me this is the easy part? Oh, are they doing two pads? Yeah. Yeah, like, what the...

Buddy's on two pads. Two pads, let's go. Like, that's insane And then having like a competition of this sure yeah, I'm where people are trying more difficult more difficult things like yeah absolutely So yeah, there's there's the the jank pay-to-win games, then there's the like major titles that I Don't I also don't think grant Rizzo like major titles that i don't i also don't think grand turismo doesn't need to be the one there are extremely high level racing like sim sim grade games i think grand turismo is more sim like i get it sure than some but it's not as simmy as something like a project cars or something like

so like the it being grand turismo makes me ask like what was the goal because it's kind of like f1 it's almost in the it's yes it's leaning more simi but it's in the middle it's not arcadey and it's not simi yeah like you could have gone with like mario kart and just had it be like totally i racing sorry not project cars i racing that's the one i meant yeah so sorry i'm not i'm not into the racing game scene you could have gone iRacing you could have gone Mario Kart they went not really in between but they went like here like any one of those three F1 iRacing Assetto Corsa sure sure i don't think i would have blinked at any one of those nope yeah but Gran Turismo a little weird like why don't you just go Forza at that point why don't you just you know what why don't you just go forza at that point?

Why don't you just you know what why don't you do just like cruising USA? I'd be I'd be way more interested to watch a cruise in USA championship. That'd be kind of So and then there's cycling where it's like literally it's it's quite literally just cycling It's this say like I hope the person who wins whatever equivalent distance of race in actual just real, actually on a bike outside, whatever cycling. Just gets two medals for it.

Just also wins the Zwift one. I really hope that happens. That'd be very funny. Yeah, smash. Where's smash? Again, this is no disrespect for people who race Zwift. And I know that there's people that do it actually quite seriously. That's cool.

I'm not down on that. The only thing that confuses me is that it's so similar. So, like, what's almost what's the point in it being an esport, you know? And then there's the last category, which I haven't looked into either of these, but Virtual Regatta and Virtual Taekwondo. They have very obviously similar names. They seem to be in kind of their own category virtual regatta it's very weird okay olympic esports virtual regatta at least it's on the

play store and the app store in short what am i looking at here what is this it's on this is on instagram okay so virtual regatta it looks old. I guess it is a mobile It's a mobile game. Yeah Okay, so you can change your sales. Okay, let's go Time to buy some sales Microtransactions, let's go. Okay. I can't even I can't even I don't know that it's microtransactions for a fact Do you have any actual gameplay footage you buttheads? Oh man, they want us to click on, FlipPlingChat wants us to click on the Taekwondo. It's like Kinect simulators, they say.

Kinect simulators? You know like Xbox Kinect? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, virtual Taekwondo. Invitational event, waitational event You need a console? It's an indie console Okay I see And the Olympics is going to be in Singapore Oh I see Okay Okay Okay

So this is a whole This is a whole rabbit hole then the the company that makes virtual taekwondo has this indie Console that was kick-started, but you can't actually get it that has some kind of okay where I've got I've got some footage here, and it's the same company That makes that stupid tic-tac-bo game yeah so what am i what am i looking at here is this it are you sure first virtual taekwondo international championship 2020 i don't think this says instruction i don't think this is it what the heck am i looking at here i don't think the right thing. Where's virtual Taekwondo? Olympics, Taekwondo.

Okay, I got to click the thing. But yeah, it's the same Singapore-based company. And then the Olympics are going to be in Singapore or something. So it's a whole thing. All right, I'm on their site now. I'm on their site. Follow the glory of virtual Taekwondo. Okay, watch now.

What am I looking at here? Guys, this is live. This is live. We're reacting. We're doing what we can. Gymnasts. What does this have to do with anything? No, no, no.

We're not. Oh, I don't need an Olympics strike. Their player took a long time to load. We should try to sell. Yeah, they should use float plane. Yeah. What is their site? What am So yeah, they should use floatplane. Yeah What is their site? What am I even looking at find out more? I'm trying to find out more yet numpties I think it just scrolls you down how to fall. Yeah, like what is this?

Stay updated. No, I want I don't want to stay. I want to update now. What is it? What what am I looking at here? Okay, I what am I looking at here? Okay. I mean, that kick looks pretty good, but like, what is this? Uh,

I did, I did, uh, I'm so confused right now. Okay. I give up. Uh, let's do some sponsor spots.

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What was our second discussion? Oh my god That's not a good discussion question. I disagree with both of you. It's not a question It's just a statement, but it's very funny The discussion question is Skyrim in the Olympics win. I want to see the bronze medalist clip through the podium It's pretty good But yeah, there's great. That's great. Oh, that's pretty good. Okay. But yeah, there's a lot of speculation that a lot of the titles were chosen

on the basis of their close relationship to established governing bodies. Yeah. So developers in Singapore that had close relationships with the governing body in Singapore. I think it's pretty clear this is all corrupt as f*** and

we should we should reject it. Everything but the chess one. Yeah, because chess.com is pretty much it. Alright. Oh, we should do a couple of merch messages. If you guys are wondering, the way to interact

with the show is not through Twitch bits, not through super chats over on youtube it's through merch messages and we've actually got oh we've got a crap ton of stuff to announce for the store today don't we yeah those of you who have been paying very close attention will have probably already noticed our big product launch of the week hey dan i think I need to put you back on the camera he's like I'm paying attention I'm paying attention so the way to send a merch message which means that you're not just

throwing money into the ether you will also get an item in the mail is to go on lttstore.com and in the checkout there's a place to leave a merch message and one of our new items for this week the reason I'm digging this out is because i have a full one oh okay so here's my loadout for the tech pouch it's a pouch and you fill it up with tech or toiletries or tools or realistically anything else that you could possibly want to fill

it with so you want to have a look at my tech pouch yeah can i open up my tech pouch for you fill it with so you want to have a look at my tech pouch yeah you know I open up my tech pouch for you you can take everything out oh my free to unload it let's go you might want to move your water bottle a little bit poor Dan is you know got a situation action can't you want it down here is that better yeah I'm sure yeah sure so you've got I don't know what this is a dock that's an external USB drive just a drive USB SSD, okay? Yeah, sometimes I'll have to copy like very large game libraries or whatever else and it's I still have my angel bird Yeah, yeah, so this that one's a higher capacity is like four terabytes a lot bigger. Yeah, he's got a

He's got a see I have a much bigger I have a much bigger X than Luke and X is external SSD Because it sure isn't anything else These I believe have been accessible to you for many years. I don't think these are new at all No, they're not new. They're just headphone adapter things. Yeah, yeah, you need to go four-pole to dual three-pole Yeah, just dump them on the table. Let's go. Let's go. What's in my tech pouch see to see lighting. Yeah, Thunderbolt Thunderbolt Yeah, very close. Oh here. It is good job. There's the angel. I also have my angel bird Yeah, I never use it. It just has like some crap on it that I might need once in a while

They're so cool. Yeah, I know actually really like them This okay, so this is an expandability thing sexy dongle Yeah, yeah, it's your mind good need for a laptop to make it less annoying to use as a laptop. JerryRig, everything nice? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I even misspoke and called it a nice, but I'm down with that. I mean, it's pretty nice.

LTT screwdriver? Of course. Why wouldn't I? So the tools you need all the time for everything. My needle-nose pliers and my side cutters would be in there, but I left them at XQC's house, so I asked my assistant to get me some more. That makes sense. Sorry? He stole mine. He stole yours. That's hilarious. He apparently took Dan's. I love it

You've got a like cap for a controller. Yeah, like a thumbstick cap That was just garbage that was in my bag that I accidentally threw into the tech pouch So there's no reason for me to carry that around. I mean it could be useful That's a mic. If someone has like a grody thumbstick you just cover it. That's a lavalier mic holder That makes sense. Yeah,, I wrote it on the back. Yeah, maybe you printed the lines on your shirt less noticeable when you're wearing a lav mic So it's just the kind of thing I would have to carry around that no one else would tons more random cables What the heck yeah, that's like a yeah, that's like an everything cable. It can be like adapted so you can yeah Oh, I see yeah pretty cool right so micro b from that's the same

prong thing that logitech uses uh that's because it's for the logitech mouse that is in there it just happens to have that adapter on it is my mouse not in there no someone take my mouse nope here's some lavalier tape uh yep yep yep that's the medical tape that i use yeah there's an outside zipper it uses the same YKK waterproof TM. I consider them water resistant, but they call them waterproof. So the same YKK water resistant zippers that you would find on our backpack. The same Reprieve recycled water bottle material. That's a two and a half gig network card, by the way, that you're holding.

Yeah. Is this for the framework? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, I think just USB-C to network. And so you could use this on anything really. Yeah. But it's made for the framework. Yeah, it's lots in yeah, so yeah cool

That's cool to have because you could use it for your actual laptop or anything else really did someone steal my m.2 SSD That's just an external audio like sound card this thing is actually sweet because it just seems to work on everything Yeah, I've used this yeah, yeah, and it's just yeah USB to just 3.5 I've used this. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just, yeah, USB to just 3.5. It literally seems to work with everything.

Some of my tools aren't in there. My pin removal tool is not in there. Oh, they are in there. Oh, who put those in there? Oh, okay. That's great. I don't want to really take all those out. They were playing around with my stuff a little bit for the shoot. But so I have like jeweler screwdrivers and then I have like an ATX pin removal tool,

Molex pin removal tool. Some spare like water cooling fittings. Yeah. Every once in a while while you never know if you're going to need a fitting or whatever else yeah but yeah do you want to just kind of spread it for me not that part okay that move that's very awkward uh okay i want to see like the uh the little the little pockets on the outsides the oh oh like this no no oh You mean this yeah on the outside edges. Yeah, or the inside of the outside. I don't know how well oh my god There's okay, so there's a pouch here. Yeah Yeah, the elastic ones that are sequence on the orange here. There you go pockets. Oh So there's lots of pockets. Oh, there's an SSD in there No, I never know when you're gonna need an SSD that actually comes up a lot for me

But if you just give them a bit of a better angle so they can get there we go So there's like three pouches back here, and then the other side has something similar pen holder pencil or pen holders there And on this side, there's like just a bunch of loops. Yeah, brother So we have some loops We did a lot of internal polling finding out what people wanted to be able to carry around with them. It fits perfectly in the bottom of the backpack, obviously, with a water bottle next to it. It's okay, we're back to the main camera now.

I think you've made your point. But yeah, it's a tech pouch, really high-quality materials, and it's on lttstore.com. And does it fit in a specific spot in the backpack? It just sits at the very bottom of the main bag of holding yeah yeah yeah uh we've got a couple other ltt store things to discuss but people asking for dimensions of the pouch is that not just on the store i hope it is is it not uh okay we should get that updated for you all. Oh, man. I would look forward to that being in the product information in the future.

Yeah. Yeah, that'll be there very soon. 900D by 900D? I don't know what that means. Man, what were the other things I was supposed to say about the store? Dan, do you remember? Stickers! Oh, yeah! Stickers!

Where are the stickers? Stickers! Oh, they're right here. Yeah. Oh, Dan, back to the camera. Stickers! Oh yeah! Stickers! Where are the stickers? Stickers! Oh they're right here! Yeah! Oh! Uh, Dan! Back to the camera!

We have a new 2023 sticker pack! So it's in the bonus bin, which are the free items that you guys can get on LTTStore.com with your order. So we now have new stickers. That one's really fun! Save that one for last! Let's do all the other ones first. No one gets to see it. We've got soon TM

I'm holding it next to Luke's face. Hey, there we go soon TM. Oh, oh we got the trust me bro guarantee. Yeah, Sarah was like Really? Really? I don't need to be that. Yeah, he doesn't need to be in focus. Yeah, yeah, we're good. We're good. Yeah. Yeah, we're good Hold on, hold on. You had it there for a second. Oh boy. Can he do it? Oh, it's locked on your face, Luke. It's locked on your face. Okay, why do you keep putting it over there? Okay, alright. Trust me bro, guarantee. There we go. We've got LTT store dot... is it com? Is it cum? No one knows. Can't read it. This is the lab? Yeah!

That's a cool reflective-y, rainbow-y sticker. Yeah, Sarah pushed hard for that design. She really likes it. Hey! Hey! Floatplane sticker! Let's go! I think it's a little bit of an angle. Yeah, nice. What else you got? Little retro computer. Cool little CRT, uh, yep, old school computer.

Oh, that's a bit of a throwback. F***ing eggshell, let's go! That's sweet. All the memes from this year. Partakes, a little WAN show shoutout for us. Yeah, yeah. Very nice. It's full of WAN show shoutouts. And the generic. Classic.

Did you just call that the generic? What would you call it? LTT circle logo, obviously. Generic LTT circle logo, obviously. Generic LTT circle logo. This is the best one, though. This was brilliant. This was Sarah's idea. I can't take any credit for it.

It's blank. That's actually pretty sweet. So it's a window, like an Explorer window, and it's a tech tip. So you can write any tech tip you want. And put anything in there you want. Yeah. So cool, right? And based on the material, i don't want to say that

you could i think you can erase it might be able to erase it yeah so you could like update your tech tip that's actually pretty sweet it's a good idea those are cool those are all good the last big update is we finally have some bloody printed shirts in stock let's go screwdriver t-shirt is back case t-shirt is back the one I'm wearing today the display Panel layers shirt is back that one and so is the headphone shirt there you go, so we finally Finally have some shirts back in stock by the way if you were signed up to get a notification when these came back in stock And you got like seven notifications Let support know because we had an issue with that so we actually turned off our back in stock, and you got like seven notifications. Let support know, because we had an issue with that, so we actually turned off our back in stock notifications

while we were trying to solve it. We're just going to have to make our own thing eventually. Oh, really? Probably. Why can't Shopify plugins not just work? Some of them do. I don't feel like I'm asking for that much. Some of them do.

All right. Well, at any rate. But we've had like other problems with it and it's just getting kind of frustrating at this point it's it's not like super high on the list but i feel like someday it's it's gonna just yeah all right well apparently conrad's already fixed it which is good okay hit me with a couple merch messages dan and then we'll get into some more topics and then we'll do some more merch messages. Maybe we'll get some dinner, do WAN show after hours. No, probably

not. I think we could wrap this up. Really? Now we're doing it. If we're going to be here for the next 10 hours. Yeah, 24 hour WAN show when? I was going to say, that's why you have a producer. Someone just beat Ludwig's record,

his subathon record, and I was thinking we should just do a subathon WAN show where we just swap the hosts out, and the WAN show just keeps going forever. The WAN show never sleeps. The WAN show never stops. I got a question for you. If I buy you dinner, did you technically buy yourself dinner?

No. If you expense it, then yes. Then yes. Okay, that makes sense. All right, I got one here from Griffin. Hey, guys, starting a new IT job next week, and I thought the screwdriver would be the perfect gift to myself. Any comment on why the tech pouch looks eerily similar to the Peak Design one?

Honestly, we started from a very different place. I had never seen the peak design one until i saw people mention it in the um uh in the in the chat before the show so i was like oh i will go look at this a lot of times like there's there's people that completely unrelated like pre-internet they'll invent the same thing at the same time different parts of the world calculus i mean i have i have no doubt that our designers probably looked at other options on the market what is different about this one is that the layout of the inside is very much tailored to what our team requested yeah yeah um so we like we made sure that the uh so here hold on one sec and a lot of

it's like the materials involved like it's the reprieve Fabric against it's made from water bottles. I've always appreciated perfect personally So here's a bit of feedback that I gave them early on in the process I was like these pouches need to be able to hold like a gaming mouse not just a magic mouse That was something that we observed from Some of the samples that we did bring in where I was like this is stupid Like I can't even put a mouse in this thing We observed from some of the samples that we did bring in where I was like, this is stupid. Like, I can't even put a mouse in this thing.

How am I supposed to operate without a mouse? Also, if you have an LTT backpack, it like perfectly visually matches, which I think is cool. I like the orange. I haven't looked at the Peak one. I have no idea if they have like highly visible fabric. It's probably good. I've heard very, very good things about their stuff. Everyone that I know that has bought Peak Design stuff is very happy with it yeah i mean that's the thing right is ltt store is not um i don't see us as like a bitter rival with anyone you

know like just because we have a screwdriver does that make us a milwaukee competitor yeah like realistically no it's it's not our primary business it's uh you know i think that we take a very different approach to merch you know i don't like calling it merch because i think they're products you know i don't think they're just merch i don't think we just silkscreen our logo on things but i don't think people uh like i think with some creators merch the driving idea behind buying their merch is just supporting the creator I think with our stuff, which it also sucks to call merch. Yeah is you're buying good stuff Yeah, and by the way, it also in the lab. Yeah, let's go

Supports the like vision and direction of the company and all that kind of stuff But you're you're buying the stuff because it's actually just really good stuff We shipped out the screwdriver and had like tool Reviewers review it and it reviewed really well because we're trying to make really good stuff Yeah, not because we're just trying to make random merch We could have man we could have made a screwdriver a lot the shirts are like great I love our shirt and they went through a lot of revision to get to a point where they're good Yada yada yada like it's it's not it's not just like puked out merch to in order to support a creator which i'm not even dogging on no it's

just not it wasn't our approach that's all i have bought merch from creators with the sole idea of it supporting the creator yep and i'm totally fine with that i think i only did it once didn't survive a super long time but like i was really doing it to support the creator. Yeah, my Burnt Faceman hoodie lasted pretty okay until I lost it. So I don't know how long it would have lasted. Yeah, yeah. We'll do two more and then get back to talking.

Yeah, sure. Next up is from Mike. Love this tech purse. Was there any follow-up to the uncensored WAN show? Exploded monetization or anything? Excited to hit five hours on WAN show tonight. No. No, monetization actually

stayed active, even though we cussed a bunch and all that. I was pretty surprised. Me too. I thought it was going to get age-gated or something, but it just went. That was the one. That was the one. That was the one where I was surprised that it was live. And I got caught totally off guard.

Is that it? Yeah, because I just sat there for so long at the beginning thinking, oh, it couldn't possibly have started yet. I realized that the show was started. Yeah, I didn't remember it was that one. Yeah, I remember because I had intended to start swearing a bunch right the second the show started because I know that in the first little bit it matters more. And so some people had commented,

oh, yeah, he probably waited because of whatever. No, I waited because my dashboard usually has a 10 to 20 to even 30-second delay before it actually goes live, but it went live immediately that time and I didn't realize. Okay, last one for this section is from Anthony Linus. What is your biggest regret as far as decisions you've made for LMG? These are spicy.

My goodness. Biggest regret. Not taking the offer. No. No, no, I don't regret that, actually. I worried I would. Did I ever say how much the offer was? No.

No. Oh. Well, it wasn't six figures. And it wasn't seven. And it sure as hell wasn't five or under. Yeah. seven and it sure as hell wasn't five or under yeah it was a lot it wasn't eight either so that should give you some idea yeah I have not regretted it for a moment I I think that the timing was perfect to take an offer. We were having an absolutely, we were in the midst of an explosive year of growth.

It was pre-income from backpack and screwdriver. Yes, but we left the door open to kind of say, hey, here's how we're projecting that's going to go. we left the door open to kind of say, hey, here's how we're projecting that's going to go. And we had had some discussions about how that offer might change if they crushed it the way that we thought they could. Got it. And so knowing that we were heading into a period, I think the year to do it because we were hockey sticking like absolute crazy. Lots of cool stuff on the roadmap. But the costs for that cool stuff hadn't started to hit us yet.

Like building out the lab has been phenomenally expensive. Honestly, like if you bought a screwdriver, if you bought a backpack if you uh sent any kind of merch message if you any anything anything yeah if you subscribe on floatplane you're a huge part of of why this this vision is happening because um well because we couldn't do it otherwise it's that simple right um so if we wanted to take an offer that would have been the time to do it knowing that we were going to be heading into a couple of years that we're not going to see profits grow, maybe even shrink. Right now, we are down year over year in terms of profitability. Don't worry, we're fine.

Everything is fine. We're still profitable, but we're down compared to last year. And that's even before factoring in screwdriver and backpack, right? And so, because the kinds of companies that acquire pieces and build portfolios are looking not just at some multiple of your EBITDA, it's what kind of multiple you get, right? The bigger the growth they expect, the bigger multiple you might get in? The bigger, the growth they expect, the bigger multiple you might get in terms of the valuation of your company. So EBITDA would be like your earnings before taxes,

something, something, basically like your net income or your net profit, whatever it is. So pretty much how much money you made. So they will basically go, okay, that amount, let's say times three or times five or times nine or whatever it is, is how much we're going to offer for your company because we will expect

that it will continue to make money and we will make that money back on our investment over some period of time. And the more your growth looks explosive, the higher that offer, because you could basically argue, well, yeah, sure, you could give me 5x EBITDA today, but the earnings you're going to get in this next four or five years here is going to be so much more because we're growing like this. So the time to take it was 2022.

And the not time to take it is 2023, 2024, because I knew that that wasn't going to keep happening the way that it was. You know, obviously, if all goes according to plan, I'm going to look back at the 2022 offer and I'm going to say, well, I would have been an idiot to take that because my vision was great. And, you know, we're worth twice as much or three times as much. But I know there's going to be a lull here. So I'm in it to win it. And even if that doesn't happen, there's times that I've thought, should I have?

Should I have taken the bag and run? Taken the ball and gone home? And to your credit, if you were just financially motivated i mean you said the amount of figures right i did basically you would have been chillaxing to the end of all cool yeah with some b-ball outside of the school or whatever like that yeah so like clearly it's not just financial motivation um i've got unfinished business i think that's a big part of it um i don't think that the team would have been happy uh there's there's a lot that we could unpack i don't think we're going to talk in detail there's a lot of different angles yeah yeah um but the bottom line is that would have been the time to take it.

I forget what the question was. Uh, what's your biggest regret? Oh yeah. I jokingly pointed that out. So no, I have not regretted it. Um, it's hard for seeing where we came from and where we are today. How on earth can I possibly say regret about any of it? Part of my, I guess we might get into this later, but I've been reorganizing and getting rid of a bunch of old stuff and whatnot.

And I was finding some old hard drives that I had stashed away and making sure that I had all the data off them, off my NAS. And basically in every case I did, but I was still sorting through old stuff and i found my like archived forum folder oh and i found a bunch of like like when my twitter account passed 1,337 followers i have like a screenshot of when it got exactly then i have a bunch of the screenshots from the the v bulletin days oh of the forum nice um i have this screenshot from when uh windspeed and i were dealing with a certain server host that i'm not going to point out because we we were uh we requested an ipkvm and they hooked it up to someone else's server and then gave us the access to it so we had full direct control over someone else's surfer and i screenshot the

communication log of wind speed and i being like guys you need to take this away from us what are you doing i've had a bunch of old stuff like that. That was, that was quite the, the memory lane to go down. The, the old original design of the forum when it finally came over to IPS, like all this other kind of stuff. It was very cool. Oh, screenshots from razors, like discord competitor. Oh,

comms. Yeah. Good old comms, man. Yeah. There's a, it's been, yeah,

it's been a ride. It's been a ride. It's been a ride. You know what? Okay. Um, I don't think we would have done the sponsored video on the Facebook portal. Or was it something? I don't know.

There was some like, I don't, nah, I don't know. Is Facebook even the worst of the tech giants? They're all just sort of terrible. There's a lot of stuff where... The question is biggest regret.

I could easily come up with regrets. But to single something out and go, biggest regret. That's tough. That's tough. Regrets are a hard thing too because yes, maybe not doing that thing would have been better.

Yeah, it implies you would have done it differently. Exactly. With all the information that I have now, would I do that differently? Like, yeah, but also it clearly didn't hurt us that much. So maybe not. And it's not a super applicable real question because you didn't have all that information. So like what? And even the times that we have financially engaged with facebook we haven't done anything that that breaches our

internal ethics guidelines like we didn't we never said anything or external ones we never said anything we didn't believe we specifically in the i think it was the quest one we did a sponsored video we specifically told facebook look we are simply not doing this if we can't address the requirement of a Facebook account and like these things. We're not going to gloss over these. And we held the line. We drew our line in the sand. And if companies are okay with that line, then like who cares? Yeah.

Then from my point of view, I'm sitting here going, okay, so you want to basically pay me to make the video I would have made anyway? Like, okay. Yeah. I've done a lot of those over the years sure a really good example of that was the micron factory tour like silly micron come here regardless yeah they didn't they didn't have to give me any money but I still I had the business team I was like no no grind them grind them put the screws to them because like I'm running a business here right I can't you have to do that I can't pay Luke and Dan in a great experience that I had in Idaho

right Let me let there's been some times you know what else I found on that server Paste of oh no I Don't take responsibility for the NCIX ones so that was not my fault In in November before we broke off okay, not my problem, so yeah, it's it's NCIX days good I have an email sent to you because as much as it was NCIX you were my boss But I have an email sent to Linus With an invoice and a request of like could this be paid relatively soon because I haven't been paid in two and a half months

And I looked at the invoice and I remembered that I used to get paid five dollars per LTT video That is not my fault. Actually, though. And I fed him. You did? That was out of pocket. That invoice was genuinely hilarious to, like, read over. And I would like to make another

point has a paycheck from Linus Media Group Incorporated ever been late no okay and and then I have late paychecks never never never yeah you can say if they've been late I don't get paychecks so you know well okay yeah we do direct deposit now we used to do paycheck we did say checks for a shockingly long time I didn't want tochecks, so you know well, okay? Yeah, we do direct deposit now. We used to do paycheck. We did paychecks for a shockingly long time I didn't want to give it up because it like cost like a dollar more or something It's so funny. I remember just being like come on But yeah, it was it was five bucks per per LTT and if I remember that's Canadian rubles, too. Yeah

It was funny now it wasn't that funny then yeah i remember there was one time that linus called me i'm sure you remember this um telling me that like they were gonna have to do something different with the taxes that were on my thing oh okay i don't remember the exact details but i remember I like freaked out. I like broke down because at this point in time, I was eating two meals a day. And it was very often that one of those meals was a single bowl of Nongshim ramen. And I was like skimping on toothpaste. I was stealing toothpaste and food fromwhat illegally because my ex-roommates were renting

Literally a cot in the living room to me because I couldn't afford a room anymore Yeah And the landlord didn't actually even know I was there was that the place you were living where there was the guy that played cod Zombies and smoked pot and that was basically all he did yeah, how did he have more money than you because he had a job at? and that was basically all he did. How did he have more money than you? Because he had a job at, what's that auto parts store that will drive parts? Yeah.

Yeah, okay. He had a job at Lordco. Okay. Like a part-time job at Lordco, like massively out-earned. That's what I was doing. But at that point, I don't know. At that point in time, I was- What the hell were you doing? No wonder your parents told you you were an idiot for hanging around with me.

I don't know. i saw the vision and at that point in time i could do it i don't think i could live like that anymore i mean either like i i couldn't do what we did 10 years ago yeah i know it's it's a young person's game doing that like now like now the game is putting up moats right yeah we're in the castle so it's like all right we have to do our putting up moats, right? Yeah. We're in the castle. So it's like, all right. We have to do our best. Build moats. To do the best we possibly can. Yeah, to make it so that people who can work 18 hours a day still can't make up the difference. Whether it's building a team, that's a moat.

Because there's more expertise in this building than any one person could possibly hope to have in 50 lifetimes. There really is. So that's a moat. Equipment, like lab equipment. That's a moat. A newcomer can't afford it. The business team, the business relationships. That's another moat because even if we have a rough month in terms of views,

we can count on those relationships and those negotiations to go kind of go, hey, look, no, you guys need to still pay the same rates. We're going to get our feet back under us. Don't worry. We got this right. We can buy time, essentially. So we're yeah. So we've we've got we've got moats, but pulling all nighters. That ain't a moat that we can build anymore.

Jaden says in full plane chat in quotes quotes how did he make more money than you and then in quotes again he had a job that paid minimum wage i think that's literally true i think that's literally what happened but i don't know i we we were communicating pretty early on about like, we should take this to another level. Like this is not the goal. The original idea was that I would work, I've said this a bunch of times on the mind show. The original idea was that I would work with Linus four to eight hours a week. And then within like a week of working together, we were like, uh, we could could crank more we could do more with this we can release more episodes we could go to a daily release schedule we

could do this other thing with NCX yeah we could include this like tech linked thing or I don't remember what was called net linked at that time net linked weekly or whatever we could start doing these other things we could start pushing further pushing more and then I kind of saw like you know what I think this kind of is the future of media. And I think we're kind of on the cusp of it. This is not exactly what I thought I was going to do. Yeah, me neither.

But like, I kind of want to go this route. It seems more interesting. And then just, I was at an age where I could do it. I could deal with those types of problems. One of the benefits was that Linus was At least to some level okay with me literally falling asleep at the job because I was still going to school full-time Trying to study to keep good grades cuz yeah when I first started working with Linus I was like Very high not necessarily top in my class. I was top in my class in one or two classes

But at BCIT I had a huge course load. So definitely definitely not all of them but i was doing very well in school um so i was trying to keep that up and then working with you was supposed to be four to eight hours which would have been sustainable but then we 10xed it and then that stopped being sustainable very quickly so i was literally sleeping like behind the camera nothing so i would be so the biggest downtime I would have in the day outside of like Literally one to three hours a night of sleeping was like I'd press record and there's nothing for me to do for like five minutes So I would literally fall asleep in the chair. Yeah, and then he'd have to like yell at me and I'd wake up and stop recording It was crazy. Yeah Yeah

Easier now Yeah. Yeah. It's easier now. Yeah. It's a totally different world. Some people are asking what I mean by moats. It's barriers to entry. So it's competitive advantages. It's ways that we can take what we're good at and compete with our strengths against what someone else's strength might be. And their strength might be that they don't need sleep and they don't have children or whatever else the case may be. By the way, Dan, I do monitor float plane chat.

No, you don't. What are you saying? People are asking, I think. I'm just adoring them. I'm just tuning in here for a second. People are asking about the Christmas album remaster. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And Dan replied to someone,

I have decided to do something worse with it. Okay, sir, we've been through this. You are not deciding what happens to the Christmas album. I have decided that the Christmas album is going to be left dead and buried. And then Dan goes, I can't say anything. Linus is here. You've said enough. And yes, I am I can't say anything. Linus is here. You've said enough.

And yes, I am here and I see it. How many Christmas albums did we sell last week? Thousands. That is... Last week specifically, I don't actually know the exact number. But I know that as of right now, we are in the thousands of totals sold. And it's definitely a ton more than it was before to the point where if i'm right because i sent you a message i think we've revenued over

four grand on it minus tech minus tech tips christmas album i think someone put it on spotify and i actually don't think it was us Someone's selling it on bandcamp like yeah, I think someone pirated this and put it on bandcamp. I don't think this is us I Doubt it's us. I'm pretty sure we only sell it through the forum Yeah, I Give you my permission to go download the pirated one I mean we're we're going to pull it down at some point, so go fast. But don't pay money for it, please. Oh, A Prime says we have apparently actually had one late paycheck.

It was by a day or a couple of days. I can't remember the exact time. It has been years. All right. Well, apparently we've had one. I'd have to check, because that might have been unique to A Prime, though. Because I think the last time I checked with Vaughn, she told me that we hadn't been late on a pay period.

If we get to 2K purchases, can Dan remaster it because it's currently at $13.33? Well, ideally, no one buys it. Yeah, that would be the best. I just told you guys, I just gave you my blessing to go download the pirated one. We don't. LTT Store, everything on it has to be good. Oh yeah. It's not going on LTT store.

We can't. There can be garbage on the forum. They want it to be a bonus bin item. Even that. Is my version going to be good enough for the store? You're not going to have a version, Dan. We've been through this. All right.

One last merch message and then we'll get into some topics here. Okay. Okay. That sounds great. This one's from Austin. We know a lot about your house, Linus, but Luke, what is your favorite part of your home?

Yeah. Is it the leaking plumbing? Or the stuffy upstairs sleeping area? Or the AC mini split that leaks if you leave it on overnight? Or the stuffy upstairs sleeping area? Or the... The AC mini split that leaks if you leave it on overnight?

The only time I would want it to be on? Could it be the... Hmm, let me think. He's had kind of bad luck, to be perfectly honest with you. Got a bit of a lemon. So, just for you guys, if you happen to see Luke's place for sale at some point, don't buy it. Don't worry. You'll find some sucker to buy it, Luke.

But if you're shopping in the Metro Vancouver area. I'm not very comfortable. Just ask the realtor. Hey, does the seller's name happen to be Luke Lafreniere? And if they say yes, you guys are going to know. But no one else will know, Luke. It's okay. You guys are going to know.

If he says yes, you just say, thank you very much. Jayden's like, you have a mini split? Jealous. Don't be that jealous. I can't use it. I've brought in three different people to try to fix it. No one can fix it It just leaks all the time. It just leaks it only leaks and people like, oh have you cleaned the filters? Yes!

It just leaks It's in the bedroom. The only time I would want it on is when I'm sleeping meaning it's gonna be on for uh-uh eight hours, ideally. If you leave it on for that long it leaks It just leaks and then I would need to spend like an insane amount of money to get a new one Because they're really expensive So then it's just like well. I don't really want to do that well. I'll tell you what if you move We will we will we will do we will do like cool cooling DIY cooling round two. Let's go Let's go let's go but we'll only cool your computer we're

gonna cool the inside of your computer case with like a full-size air conditioning i've wanted to do it for a while actually i'm gonna pivot us to a new topic then because i think i would need that to use what i'm currently using really the radion card is so hot oh yeah so we're working on a challenge right now much heat even compared to your SLI setup come on that can't be right no the dual 1080 is not even close really yeah huh like this it might no I don't think it's the position so much so you know where it's currently mounted It's in the videos people can see it. It's just like sitting on top of my computer, so it does plume the heat I wonder if the directionality and then plumes out, but my legs are just like cooking all the time

Yeah, that makes sense. It's brutal, but I mean in the other with the 1080s it would have gone outside of the case But I mean in the other with the 1080s it would have gone outside of the case Because I had the glass off. I was amazed by how well heat rising worked like obviously I've known heat rise. Yeah, right hot air rise sure fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah but when I tried to do that video using the mining PC for heat I Just I don't know. I just, I underestimated just how buoyant. Oh yeah, it's like gonna go away. Yeah, like fast.

So I mounted it right above the monitor, kind of blowing at me with fans, you know? And what I realized like later was, like later on in the video, I don't know if it actually made it into the final cut, but it was pretty much boomeranging. Like it would not go you couldn't force it down it's like trying to push bubbles down in water yeah and i didn't realize it would be that extreme i just i don't know never really i just never really thought about it which you haven't actually done

something like that yeah you probably wouldn't necessarily realize it makes makes sense. I just didn't really think about it. And so, you know, one of the things that, again, it was, I mentioned it in the video. I don't think it made it into the final cut, but I said what I should have done was mounted under the desk because then the heat would get trapped by the desk and leak up around me. So that's literally happening.

So that's what you're doing. And that's probably why the case wasn't as bad. Because, yeah, if it's blowing it out the back, it's probably going like straight up and not hitting you. I had the 1080s that I had with, like, those triple cooler, I'm trying to remember, Strix, whatever. So it wasn't necessarily. But your case would have had airflow. Yeah, I had the side of the case off, though.

Even then, though, there would be, like, a suction. Oh, yeah, because of the front fans. That makes sense. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so it would go out the back. off, though. Even then, though, there would be like a suction. Like it would... Oh, yeah, because the front fans. That makes sense. Exactly. Okay, so it would go at the back. So I don't think it... I really don't think it's to do with the actual thermal output. I think it's probably just airflow optimization. That's definitely fair. Yeah. Speaking

of which, the case. You said case, and it reminded me of this. Again, I'm reorganizing things. Guess what i dug out of the the i'm gonna say garage it's like a slot in the wall because i live in an apartment but guess what i dug out of the garage you don't still have your stupid aquarium do you uh not that one the really that itx what like leftover one that you got the two i believe it's two remaining. Mineral oil cases. I've got them.

This is starting to feel a little bit predestined. Because you'll never believe what happened earlier this week. Well, we uploaded that video with the tour of the lab. Okay. And I mentioned, like, mineral oil cooling for some reason. Either it was in that video or is it? No, it was on a live stream. Sorry.

It was on a recent live stream. Someone sent a merch message asking about mineral oil cooling when we did that build stream. And somehow a ball got rolling internally without me knowing about it where we started. No, where we started. Because I said, look, I think we've said everything we have to say about mineral oil. If we were to do a follow up with with like floor inert or something like that. Oh, you know, maybe take it to the next level You know, maybe we'd revisit it But even then you can't get these aquarium cases anymore because of a patent troll blah blah blah

So someone internally starts trying to source floor inert and I'm sitting here going okay That's really expensive and really hard to get yeah, apparently you like they just don't even make it anymore basically Oh, there's some there's like a newer so Then the conversation somehow made its way to Jake Danes from the lab And he's like oh no not Florida you want this one Yeah It's like for submersion cooling for like mining and GPUs and stuff

Yeah And it even there's like even a cleaner that you can use to get everything back to pristine He's clearly up to speed and it's a couple hundred bucks uh per five gallon pail which is like it's expensive compared to florinert nothing florinert was absurd yeah mineral was cheap relatively yeah and this thing is it's expensive but it's not like it's closer to mineral oil than it is to florinert but it's's in the middle. Fluorinert, you were gonna spend like thousands. And so I'm sitting here going, we've got cases, we've got fluid.

Am I gonna be able to avoid this? It's happening. I'll tell you what. What? Here's the deal. Okay. We'll build one, but you have to give me back your old computer and you have to daily drive it. What? Here's the deal. Okay. We'll build one, but you have to give me back your old computer and you have to daily drive it.

Wow. Don't know if I want to do that. It'll be top spec, new spec. Yeah, but it's going to be in oil. I think we need to poll the audience. Should he do it? Should he not? I forget how to set up polls.

New top spec in oil is, like, actually quite questionable. Because the thermal output. Well, it won't be oil. It'll be that other stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's designed for GPUs and stuff. Thermal fluid, whatever you want to call it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So my comment isn't. Look at this guy. Just answer the question. You want me to do it because you know it's going to be terrible. Yeah, I know. That's where the pressure is coming from. I just want to make sure that everyone understands.

I mean, they want it for the same reason. Float plane chat is unanimous here. Let's go. Because it's terrible. what if I use it as a workstation because I'm going to be here locally again no soon has to be it has to be at home that we will do Luke personal rig update mineral oil edition can't even fit all my like drives is it is it the ITX one I didn't actually look inside the box if I remember correctly I have two tanks I don't think either of them are like ATX tank like how much capacity I didn't actually look inside the box. If I remember correctly, I have two tanks. I don't think either of them are like ATX tanks.

Well, like how much capacity? I didn't, it's just in the shipping box. No, I mean, how much hard drive capacity do you have? I currently have two very large hard drives and I have three like, uh, uh, standard two and a half inch SSDs, three, four or four and then i have two nvmes why do you need so many drives a lot of drives what the yeah i didn't ask if you have a lot of drives i asked why do you need them uh i save a lot of stuff you have a nas yep i do the nas is huge Yep. I do. The NASA's huge.

I have lots of things, okay? Yeah, no, I- I- I- I- clearly, um... You're leaving it there, aren't you? Yeah. F*** sakes. How much total space is that? It's a lot. Each one of the hard drives is like 10 terabytes. My deal stands.

We will load up everything you could possibly need for game storage. We will load you up with enough storage for everything you could possibly need for actual local storage. And we will upgrade the NAS to make up for any space you lose in the desktop. The NAS is all 10 terabyte drives. The NAS also has to be mineral oil cooled. That is so dumb. Okay, wait, wait, what? So it's going gonna be solid-state

Well, no, we could you're gonna replace 80 terabytes of hard drives with solid-state drives No, no, we could use a PCIe riser out to an external hard drive enclosure. What is the point? The suffering is the point God the point oh my god the suffering is the point god people people no longer think you should do it actually no float plane does float plane is ready oh this is so dumb no no the naz does not have to be mineral oil cooled. Yeah. But we will expand the NAS to the point where... What? Well, get more hard drives.

What? It's full. Yeah, yeah, whatever. I mean, NAS is... It's like... I don't have a dedicated, like, actually proper system for it. That's fine. It'll just include...

It's just the Synology NAS. It'll include a NAS. That's fine. That's fine. So we will make sure... We will make you whole in terms of storage. That's my commitment. Let me even see what the state of them are first.

All right, all right. Yeah, you don't have to make a decision now. You can be a little, oh, I don't know. I don't know about it. Having a submersion cooled system again could be kind of cool. I'm a little bit worried in an apartment. If there's a leak, it could actually be like super bad i mean that sounds like a luke problem to me not a linus problem so you know oh my goodness wow we'll see we'll see we'll see i don't again i don't even

know what tanks they are if it's genuinely just one itx tank because i'm pretty sure at least i think there's at least one ITX tank. I think they're both ITX. Is it two ITXs? I think it might be. I honestly don't remember. Basically, Puget gave us the last of their tanks, and I think we used the last ATX one to do the last build we did, which we eventually sold on Facebook Marketplace or something like that, because we were tired of just having it around and carrying it places. Facebook marketplace or something like that because we were tired of just having it around and carrying it places.

And then I think you were like, can I just like have these ITX ones? And I was like, realistically, I'm never going to do anything with these. Just take it and go. I mean, he stole it rather is how that probably went down. No, if I remember correctly, you like didn't know what to do with them. Yeah, no, no. And I was like, I'll take it. I was just memeing with the whole stealing things from the office thing.

Yeah, yeah. So that's the deal. I mean, there's some of that. I was cleaning up. I found a few of those. We're a lot more on top of that stuff now. We have like a whole inventory system and asset tags and everything. But things were a little more loosey-goosey when people were not being like paid well.

You know, it is what it is we we made do with what we had there's a few things like i found a pair of headphones that i remember i got because instead of like expensing a bunch of stuff i just like got the headphones yeah there's like some stuff like that there was some loosey goosey stuff i mean another thing too is when we were a much smaller team if you know a luke was just like yeah i need a new mouse uh i didn't have to worry about 98 other people coming to me and saying well what does luke get a new mouse there's so much easier to deal with yeah there's so many it gets a little wacky things you just like it it it really does come back to like grade school rules did you bring enough for the whole class? No?

Okay, well then we can't. That simple. If it's just ITX cases, I honestly don't think I'm that. I don't think I'm going to do it. You don't think you're going to do it? Really? Not for just an ITX. Well, yeah, but it'll be top spec, top spec ITX. The problem is the volume of the tank.

Top spec ITX. Because even though you're potentially putting more in it, I'd have to look at the properties of the new coolant. Because I know it exists, but I haven't actually planned on doing a build in it. I expect an answer next week. Oh my goodness, okay. The people expect an answer next week. I'll talk to Jake.

I'm sure he's more up on the current stats. I don't even remember. this a merch message PC Linus and I have this agreement from ages ago um like pre Linus media group ages ago um back from when I was paid less than minimum wage where he's he he had like upgraded my system i got a 4080 480 you mean 480 yep sorry a 480 and i don't remember what else was in there but it was like my first system upgrade after the mineral system it was in an 800d nice i got a 480 i don't remember what processor it was probably something it was like a 2600k or something. It was like solid. It was all like good stuff. It was a big upgrade from what I had at the time.

And then I was I don't remember how we got on the conversation but we were standing outside of the badminton center that you wanted to go to that night because I needed a ride home and he wanted to play badminton first so I used to study. I would study on the couch at his badminton center. We didn't actually do that that many times. I think that only happened a handful of times. Yeah, I honestly didn't care. I just needed to study. I would study on the couch at his badminton school. We didn't actually do that that many times. I think that only happened a handful of times.

Yeah, I honestly didn't care. I just needed to study, and there was a place to study there. So it honestly didn't make a difference to me. I had my laptop and my textbooks anyway. So it's basically the same thing as being at home. And we had this conversation, and he was basically like, as long as you work with me, I'll make sure that you have a good computer. And I was like, I'm holding you to that.

And now it's been 12 years or something and it's paying off let's go except now it might turn into an oil rig which is concerning but we'll see yes Linus this was a merch mess okay a prime is all upset he's like where's my oil PC come on come on I have made no such agreement with you. So screw that agreement. Yeah. Screw your agreement. This was the worst part of Luke's house.

SS Thomb asks, any chance of a badminton match with Stephen He for a creator clash or Dennis Fightlake thing? I really want it to happen. So I'm posting this again. Does Stephen even play badminton or are you profiling? Because I couldn't find any reference to him playing badminton at all. I'm not putting up to a poll, guys.

You guys don't actually get to decide that I have to do this. It's not happening. Oh, no. Alright, what other topics do we want to talk about today? I also have to make sure it's going to be okay for the birds. Yeah, okay. That should be fine. There's certain things that I actually have to go figure out. That's fine. And not everything okay that should be fine like there's certain things that i like actually have to go figure out that's fine and not everything is fine right because like

there's certain chemicals in the environment that'll just kill them and it's like it might not be harmful to humans but it might be harmful to them like there's i gotta figure stuff out nokia hypes their super fixable phone i haven't gotten a chance to have a look at this yet, but pocket lint has has an article about this Let's go have a look It's pretty low spec like I think describing it as entry-level is definitely Accurate I will say though that we're in an era of phones where I don't think that's actually gonna bother that many people It's it's pretty low spec. I just saw it Hoping for a little more than that buddy immediately backtracked I got down to the display and hardware section. I was just like

recycled plastic rear IP52 protection let's talk about the specs a little bit 6.5 inch 1600 by 720 pixels 90 Hertz refresh rate you know what is that a longer conversation here would you rather have 1080p at 60 hertz or 720p at 90 with how i currently use my phone honestly 720 at 90 really yeah i think so because it's almost all like text communication i don't it doesn't need to be i don't care yeah but it's not sharp like 720 the difference between 720p and 1080 is a lot bigger than the difference between 1080 and 1440 this is gonna be a first world problem i haven't experienced 720 on a phone in a hot minute yeah it's so maybe

i don't know not great yeah but then 90 hertz really does make things feel more responsive even when you're dealing with lower hardware usually text communication my phone I just I'm just trying to go fast like yeah. Yeah, and it feels Feels better when you're typing Yeah, that's that's a tough one anyway. Sorry you were telling the specs Yeah, unit soc t 606 4 gigs of ram 64 or 128 gigs of storage plus a micro SD slot Thank you What the heck is a T606? I'm looking this up tiger

T606 processor entry-level octa-core SOC with two arm a 75s it up to 1.6 gigahertz blazing speeds and six efficient a 55 cords that up cores it up to 1.6. That is Not a fast chip. Nope. Okay carry on 5050 milliamp hour battery that's a big battery this thing will last for like three days on battery though 20 watts charging Okay, that's fine It will take a while to charge that battery though. 20 watts charging. Okay, that's fine. It will take a while to charge that big battery at 20 watts though. Um...

I don't really mind that. If it's a huge battery, it takes long to charge, I feel like it might just extend the life of it, because you're gonna sit there with it plugged in 100% less often. Yeah, I guess that's fair. With my usage, I wouldn't mind that, personally. I'm trying to find any sort of... We deserve a poll, you deserve nothing! I guess that's fair. With my usage, I wouldn't mind that, personally. I'm trying to find any sort of... We deserve a poll. You deserve nothing. I'm trying to find any insight into what exactly makes it repairable. So some of the ease of repair, apparently...

Oh, oh, oh, here we go. Here we go. A new battery and all the tools. Okay, I'm just going to read the thing. So iFixit is partnering with Nokia on the creation of the G22, this phone that is aiming for a price of $170, which is a lot more reasonable for the spec and compared to some of the other more open and repair-oriented phones

that we've seen in the past. It's designed to be easy to use and inexpensive to repair, and iFixit will sell repair kits for the battery display rear panel and the USB-C module, which are four of the most common components to break in typical use. And they will sell them for at least five years. That's super cool. But will it get software updates for five years? A new battery and all the tools to replace it will cost you $30, and it should take about 10 to 15 minutes for a typical user to complete the repair the most expensive part is

apparently the touchscreen at 55 by the time you're spending $55 on a touchscreen couldn't it be 65 and be 1080p I got a kind of I got a kind of wonder about that a little bit yeah some of the ease of repair comes from the fact that this is an inexpensive phone with inexpensive parts, and that ease of disassembly has a direct tradeoff with modern waterproofing measures. However, Nokia has genuinely eliminated several barriers to removing the back of the device, and it retains its IP52 waterproof rating even after the back has been replaced. So IP52 is not watertight, but it can take the odd accidental spray of water.

They're only providing three years of security and operating system updates. So even though you can get parts for five, it's three years. And I got to imagine that three years is from launch, not from when you buy it. So not from when they stop selling it. Man, I'd love to see an actual compelling repairable phone. Because on the one hand, I want to look at this and go, progress! But on the other hand, I'm looking at it going, this is like a half measure, right?

This is like coming out and being like, yeah, we made a repairable phone and nobody wanted it, so clearly the market has chosen non-repairable phones. No, the market chose the only options that it actually has, and I don't know that for a lot of people this is a truly viable option. What minimum spec would it need to be for you to think it would be a viable option?

Man, you know, I would have said something like Note 9, but I've been using it lately just to listen to music when I'm riding on my bike, and it's pretty slow. It's slowed down. I'd say...

There's some arguments that people might make about planned obsolescence stuff that doesn't have to do with the actual speeds and feeds of the device, but more has to do with like different certain updates that might actually intentionally slow it down from the manufacturer side. Ars technica apparently ripped into it it's 39 steps to replace the screen see this is what i'm talking about like that doesn't need to be

the case i yeah why doesn't it just use screws you need to hold the back panel on like why does why does everything need to be clips and and clips and glue and i don't remember what your question was i'm sorry what what would oh right i would say if it's three-year-old flagship tier performance i would consider that to be more than acceptable but i feel like phones like computers have gotten to the point where a, um, the improvements generation over generation are not that big anymore. Meaning that you can use three year old hardware, you know, really,

really easily and have a really great experience with it. But also B, it means that the value of that three year old hardware isn't dropping the way it used to. Like you look at the way PC hardware is plummeting right now, generation over generation in terms of, of price. Like you can get Ryzen 2000 stuff on eBay for like nothing.

Ryzen 3000, very reasonable. For a long time there, when Intel was releasing quad core after quad core after quad core, you know, the 7700K comes out and 4770Ks are like $10 cheaper on eBay. You know, 3770Ks are maybe $25 cheaper on eBay. And I feel like we're seeing that with phones, right? Like they're not dropping in value quite as fast within the software update period because that's a different kind of obsolescence.

I like basically didn't even realize how old my phone was. Yeah. I only thought about it recently, but like I don't, it doesn't affect me. The battery is still in okay enough state that it lasts a day. So I just charge it at night, whatever. It's not the most efficient way because it hits a hundred percent and sits there for a bit and stuff like that. But it's old.

I'm not that worried about it at this point, stuff like that. But like, it's fine. Yeah. I have some problems. It had a lot more problems when I first got it, but it received software updates and it fixed a lot of those problems. And now it's just like, I have some problems. It had a lot more problems when I first got it, but it received software updates and it fixed a lot of those problems. And now it's just like, I don't know. I use Slack, Teams, and Discord.

That's like 90% of what I'm doing on it. The rest of it is like reading news or whatever. It doesn't need to be super powerful for my use case. Sure, maybe some other people are doing more complicated things with phones, but not me, so I don't really care that much but i do like get really frustrated the second it like slows down because i'm very often trying to do quick tasks since when a message replies something really quick and if it like chugs while doing that i do get frustrated so there is like a minimum level

of performance yeah that i want it to be I doubt that this would be satisfactory for me. And I think this is too low. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's a bummer. Yeah. Is there anything else that's critical for us to... Oh, announcements.

I have a mock-up for the screwdriver holster. Yes. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Where's the loop is it like a belt loop thing so it's like a um it's like a like a click like a it's like a hinge okay yeah um and then it uh it it has like a clicky thing so you can adjust the angle oh that's kind of neat so if you want it to kind of more face forward for the crossbody draw or if you want it to kind of more face forward for the crossbody draw, or if you want it more like up for a... Yeah, you can change your draw.

I have been warned that if we go hand-stitched, this thing could cost like $100 or even $200. But the advantage of hand-stitching is that if a stitch breaks, the whole thing doesn't come apart. So like machine stitching for leather um is it leather it's just black leather it'll be leather we're gonna go we're gonna go full grain like and and if we get it hand stitched it'll probably have to be made

in north america so this thing could be extremely expensive um i don't know if this is going to be a viable product but this is the this is the initial design the cutout here is so that you can pop the screwdriver up from the bottom to make it easier to grab from the top wow nice yeah so you kind of pop it up and then yeah obviously that's a snap yeah i told the team i was like i want the snappiest snap like just like i wanted to be ridiculous you know what i mean yeah I want it to be ridiculous. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think it should be silver.

Actually. I'm going to, I'll talk to Matthew about it. He's the one it'll be. It'll, it'll, if we can find an alternative leather that is just as strong and durable, we will consider an alternative leather.

But right now I can, I, consider an alternative leather. But right now, I can... I think it's probably going to be cow... Outer... Layer. That sounds worse. I think it's going to be cow-cow. It's not that I hate cows. I do hate cows, but that's not why it's just that leather is

You know it's leather man someone said brass for the button. Oh, I don't know I'd want to match the finish of the of the silver shaft. Yeah, so I was I was yeah sounding at Listening to the cost. I don't think this is really viable but releasing one that was black and releasing one that was silver yeah no there'll be one version would have been pretty sick for people that got the black shaft screwdrivers but yeah the costing and stuff you're only gonna have one version i think it's gonna be a low vol a low volume and hey the people with the black shaft screwdrivers they'll be silver eventually it's possible it's true what he says it's possible. It's true what he says. It's possible that the machine stitching will find a place that the quality is really good or whatever. But it seems quite likely right now that it's going to end up being hand-stitched.

And that means it'll end up being probably very expensive. Not because we're gouging, but because we unapologetically are just going to make the best products we can. And if you don't like it, then you don't have to buy them. You can see a lot of people are into the philosophy. And thanks, Matthew L. Are really enjoying the tech pouch. I've been kind of keeping my eye on it. A lot of people are into the tech pouch.

I'll say that much. Yeah, hell yeah. Yeah, it's been a bit of a day for the store. It's not the cheapest way that you can have a bag of said size nope not even a little but it's really good yeah there you go um can we create a poll yes we want to figure out how much of the total addressable market for lower body undergarments we're missing out on by only having boxer briefs so is this, what is your favorite? Yeah. What's your preference?

Boxers or briefs? Or boxer briefs? So Luke's going to create a poll and hit up Floatplane, and I will move on to the next topic. What we currently have is boxer briefs, correct? Yes. Yeah. Ford is, oh, correct? Yes. Yeah. Ford is...

Oh, this is awful. Ford is seeking a patent for a new system that would allow them to gradually shut off features in delinquent customers' cars, like seat controls, automatic locking, and windows, as well as air conditioning and the infotainment system after enough missed payments the car would simply drive itself away is this the most dystopian timeline luke yeah it also sounds like so ripe for abuse i mean seat controls you could make a very strong argument for how dangerous having an improperly adjusted seat could be. If you're sitting too close or too far from the steering wheel, that could be a life or death issue. I mean, honestly, you could say that about almost anything.

Automatic locking? Yeah. So, okay. Man, my aunt had the wildest experience. Downtown Vancouver. She's just driving. And someone tries to get into the car. Some lady just like got in her car.

Yeah. Like, hey, I need a ride to here. And you don't know, do they have a knife? Do they have a gun? Do they have a syringe full of AIDS? Like, you don't know what they have, but just got in the car. And she was terrified. Yeah. As it turned out, she drove her where she needed to go. You don't know what they have, but just got in the car.

And she was terrified. As it turned out, she drove her where she needed to go, and she got out and left, which is lucky, right? Yeah. So someone's automatic locking is not working, and that happens. Who's liable? Yeah. Does Ford just basically go, well, you should have made your payments? And fair enough, right?

There's no free luncheon in this life. If you don't pay for something, you are effectively, you have stolen it. And it is now Ford's property and not yours. But holy shit. Like, it can't go down like this. And, like, the ability for someone to just steal your car. I mean, we talk about vulnerabilities in cars all the time. We talked about vulnerabilities in Kias the other day where people just steal them willy-nilly and it took an actual extreme amount of exposure to get them to do anything about it. I think it was Kia and Hyundai.

I think it was both. You think this is going to stay secure forever? What about in 10 years when this car is still on the road? Yeah. What about in 15 years when the car is potentially still on the road? That's something I really worry about with Tesla. They have so many different revs of their cars. They don't have model years the way that

traditional car companies have model years what is going to happen when they don't feel like dealing with the with the software baggage of all those model threes with lidar that like don't have as good of a camera system and like used supplementary lidar and what a pain um or anything i just yeah i i worry a lot about that and and it's it's a really good point like the the automotive industry in general and to their their credit, Tesla has probably the best reputation out of all of them, but the automotive industry in general is terrible when it comes to maintaining software. So anything where I have to trust them to do anything post-purchase, I write it off.

It doesn't exist to me. Potentially take your car back remotely. Yeah, so that's not cool. The technology to do this has yet to be developed, apparently, but it is at least theoretically possible, given the current trajectory of self-driving cars, and a few days after this patent was filed by Ford, they announced the creation of a semi-autonomous driving subsidiary

within the company. The idea is not entirely new. In some places, it is legal for dealerships to install remote systems that beep incessantly or even kill switch the car from customers who are using credit in the event that they don't pay. Our discussion question is, what is the likely consequences of having these sorts of back doors? I think we've kind of gone through it.

Luke and I are not in favor of this, I think is pretty fair to say. Yeah. This is, it's dystopian. It's dystopian. And I'm not using that word lightly. It is. This is it.

Also a car related topic. Streamer has van stolen. The internet gets it back. Our source is Ludwig. This guy. Yep. What Ludwig. This guy. Yep. What great hair. You know?

Fantastic. Like, that's not fair to other people to have hair that good. Anyway, two days ago, Ludwig announced that his prized 1997 Subaru Sambar microvan had been stolen from outside the warehouse where he films after a storm knocked out the power to the electric gate. Ludwig's assistant and a collaborator managed to track down the van that evening. Unable to acquire police assistance, they entered the van only to find someone in it. The man seemed confused and told them he didn't steal it, but was given it by someone who owed him money. He then offered to return the van if they gave him $10,000. After they decided

to call the police again, which it's not even worth, by the way. Yeah, we'll try that route. The guy took off in the van. At some point, he drove it to a massage parlor where it was spied by a Reddit user who had heard of the theft. The police finally showed up and the driver fled

on foot, allowing the van to be recovered our discussion question here is that the reddit has been obsessed with my new car and Maybe it's a positive thing. It's a good thing Yeah, they they gotta know everything that you guys a little army that you guys know What you guys know what car I drive so that in the event that it gets stolen, you can help me recover it. So I've been kind of easing into it, as some of you have noticed. No, it was never a leak.

Every time there were glimpses of it or whatever, it was intentional. I just didn't want it to be like, surprise, I finally bought a fancy car. I just didn't want it to be like surprise. I finally bought a fancy car So I think it made its first appearance in the heating the garage with mining video And then I alluded to what dealership it came from and then I think it I think I mentioned Porsches infotainment system a little bit after that and then it showed up in the parking lot in the labs tour So I've kind of been I've wanted it to be a bit of a wrap on it on yeah i've wanted it to be a little bit slower just because i didn't want it to be like kind of a shock by the time people are like oh he bought a fancy car i wanted it to kind of be old news so mission sort of accomplished but my unintended consequence has been that it's

created this intrigue like i've talked a lot about how one of the best things we ever did for our privacy was to just announce the location of our studio and put it on Google Maps. Because all of a sudden, everyone immediately stopped caring. So I guess I kind of forgot that lesson. And I've been sort of intentionally, slowly, you know, priming that, yes, I bought a fancy car. That hopefully doesn't immediately make me a complete douchebag but yes i have a nice car now um so let's put it to rest once and for all uh it's a porsche taiken uh it's 2022 um it's higher spec than i probably would have gone for but the deal was used right yeah it had had just over a thousand miles on it.

That's a pretty sweet spot to buy used. Which is, it smelled new, you know? But because it was used, there was no provincial sales tax and no luxury tax, which is a tax that applies to vehicles over a certain value where we are. Which, by the way, the average sale cost of vehicles is creeping up to that luxury tax because all vehicles are just expensive now. They've gone down a lot. I mean, Tesla slashed their prices big time.

You see how many more Teslas are in the parking lot? There's so many. Oh, I was going to say, no, you probably didn't notice because you don't work in an office, but yeah, you come in for a man show. Like four people bought Teslas immediately after the price drops. You see that?

I don't think all of them have even been delivered yet. Our parking lot is just basically looks like a Tesla service center. Yeah. It's unbelievable. Anyway. So, yes. Yes. Yeah, how they got the truck?

Minivan? Microvan? I don't know, whatever. How they got that back was actually pretty cool. A little community effort. So yeah, if it goes missing, I can count on you guys, right? Yeah. Sweet.

Yeah. Ooh. We shot a video about this today. This is super cool. 4K upscaling for web video nvidia just announced rtx super resolution is now supported for users of rtx 30 and 40 series gpus we were talking earlier in the show sorry we were talking earlier in the show about moats yeah nvidia's additional technology that you get to leverage when you have their GPUs is a moat.

Yes. Yeah, that's a perfect example. So, upscaling for videos played in Chrome and Edge with support for the RTX 20 series likely to come. So we'll see how that goes. Anything from a 360p to 1440p plus video is supported and can upscale up to 4K. 4K upscaling was previously only available on NVIDIA's Shield TV and not for high refresh rate video, and it didn't go as low as 360p. RTX VSR, that's what they're calling it, uses AI upscaling to sharpen low resolution video while removing compression artifacts.

This is wild. I'm not going to spoil the whole video while removing compression artifacts uh this is wild i'm not going to spoil the whole video it's definitely worth a watch but i actually preferred the rtx upscaled 1080p to the native 4k on youtube whoa whoa yeah that's because 4k on youtube still has a lot of banding It does It's pretty low bitrate So with a little bit of sharpening Did you mess around with Flowplane at all? And smoothing No I didn't think to try that

I'm interested We should play around with it It's different than YouTube It worked on CBC Gem It seems to just work on anything I suspect it would work Which is cool It worked on Netflix So it worked on DRM protected content which i wasn't sure if it would

interesting yeah like it's it's pretty cool that is actually quite interesting um it would be drm protected as well so yeah yeah well okay no don't worry about it um so the the missing information though rather than just like edge detection and sharpening Is predicted by a neural network That's trained on large data sets of images At different resolutions and replaced Which is how that works It's pretty impressive

There are some issues And you guys are going to want to check out the video Apparently someone in Floatplane chat Is using it to watch the stream on Floatplane Okay how is it? Maybe talk about that while I run and go pee sure my bladder's gonna explode The show's too long. I'm already at three hours. I think I think Dan left to like make coffee. Is that what I heard? No, that's the drainage system for the air conditioner

Merch message every 22 seconds this stream. Wow. My fingers hurt. My eyes hurt. So I just had to go look at something far away for a while. Yeah. We're at, yeah, we're at,

we're at a little bit over three hours. Okay. I haven't seen a response yet from Prometheus Awoken, who's the person who said they're using to watch the stream right now um is anyone else using it to watch the floatplane stream right now um maybe they will respond soon oh there it is flipping looks good already but it's hard to believe this is live quality is insane does this mean we can talk about the christmas album i love that no i i'm not maybe maybe i i love that comment uh because floatplane already looks good it's great but the fact that it looks

even so much better is is fantastic um yeah what is the bitrate on floatplane well so when people talk about bitrate on youtube as well it well, it's not really a fixed thing. It'll vary, right? So we have like targets and stuff, but like it's variable bitrate. It's going to change quite a bit across the course of a video. And there's videos like just fully self-emitting. There's videos that Linus Tech Tips has uploaded

that have parts of them that don't really look that good because however the variable bitrate and compression, that have parts of them that don't really look that good because however the variable bit rate and compression, all that kind of stuff decided to deal with it. It just didn't really deal with it that well. Um, and that's true for every video platform that does those types of things. Um, and we just try to target a better amount than normal, basically.

Um, the response was, uh uh where'd it go oh no basically it's it's better they said full plane video is already really good but watching it through the nvidia oh there it is fp looks good already but it's hard to believe this is live quality is insane wow that's really cool that's super cool uh our discussion question is what does this mean for the future of digital video streaming i mean right now spoiler it consumes up to 300 watts of power so nothing in the short term because realistically so much of streaming video consumption is on devices like this that would light on fire if they were consuming 300 watts power. But in the very long term, I could see it fundamentally changing the way that we build video streaming infrastructure just kind of going like yeah um instead of optimizing your stream for what looks the best to the eye at a given bit rate you

might start to optimize your stream for you know what might be most easily interpreted by an ai enhanced or machine learning enhanced player so for example, you might basically be able to encode information into the video. Just put a pattern. This is like a rock outcropping or whatever. This is grass. Fill in the blanks. Which could lead to people having very different viewing experiences depending on which data set their machine learning enhanced player was trained on like it could be like okay

you know that tool that nvidia built where you just like essentially ms paint and it turns into a landscape oh yeah yeah yeah i could see it being kind of like that to a point where you could just stream blocks of color and it would just like decide things yeah you have metadata i don't think this actor is angry i don't think nvidia is going to build this that way but i think this same technology could absolutely do that like i bet you something that you could do is with a certain pattern like almost qr code style you could tell an interpretive whatever to repeat or or to continue yeah so you could have like a certain pattern and then some indicator amongst that pattern to take this pattern and either continue it so change it as it goes but keep the theme or to just repeat it so it's like object-based compression almost yeah whoa so instead of like you could have like oh a wall yeah like this wall

which they can't really see but you could have like a more complicated design on a wall yeah but then instead of filling all your bit rate with that complicated design it's almost like mocap like motion so you could almost have like like uh like encodedoded dots, like object markers. And then you essentially, instead of streaming data, you are actually just rendering it in subsequent frames. It wouldn't work very well for really fast-paced video. But for something like WAN Show, you could probably get the bitrate essentially down to like negligible and I wonder if there's ways that you could communicate to it like confetti cannon because one of the biggest things that compression algorithms have a lot of problem with is

lots of small things that are moving and shifting so confetti has always been this like people noticed it originally from uh when when we moved to digital video for tvs and the nfl was playing yeah they would shoot confetti cannons at the end of the game and the whole thing would just turn into like fuzzy snow you can't see anything and people were very confused about it it's the same problem we have today literally the exact same thing you have digital video you compress it you put too many things moving in different ways, and it's just, your quality is just going to tank immediately. So if you could just tell the GPU to do that,

and just tell it to generate it, instead of needing to deal with all these changes. Very cool. It'd be really interesting. YouTube announces some vague new AI tools. Something, something, create artificial scenes, swap clothing virtually. cool be really interesting uh youtube announces some vague new ai tools something something um create artificial scenes swap clothing virtually sounds like kind of vtuber vtuber stuff uh they're also apparently rolling out a feature where creators can record a short parallel to another

video similar to tiktok's duet feature it also happens to be similar to youtube's own long defunct video responses feature which was discontinued in September 2013 because it had a click-through rate of 0.0004%. At the scale YouTube's at now, 0.0004% could actually be worth having. I think that's pretty much it for topics today. We've got a thing where artists and computer scientists are designing anti-facial recognition clothes. It's pretty cool, but I think we can leave it for a week where we aren't already three hours in

with a lot of merch messages to get through. Do we want to deal with these extra topics or no? The ones at the bottom? Yes. No, no. I don't think we need to. No and no. We're not going to talk about you organizing

and your wrecked thumb. I'm sorry to hear about your thumb, though. It's okay. Merch messages time. Let's go. When show after hours. right here we go we got quite a few tonight there's been a lot of merch messages first one up here's from jeremy how reliable was your thunderbolt to closet pc setup thunderbolt always seems to be finicky for

us in the workplace when it works it's great but you probably noticed that I have other boxes on my desk. They're from a company called IKRON, and they do optical USB. Those things are bulletproof. When my Thunderbolt, I always have my peripherals connected to that so that in the event that I need to troubleshoot my stupid Thunderbolt dock, I have a working keyboard and mouse. I also have an optical display port directly from my computer to my monitor now through the walls, rather than relying on Thunderbolt to carry DP

for that same reason. When it works, it's amazing and just one cable, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But when it doesn't work, boy, is it ever a pain in the butt. Okay, next one here's from Justin. Hey guys, I enjoyed listening to the wan show on my friday nights while catching up on the week's email as your jobs get more administrative and less technical how do you keep up with your tech skills i still end up doing a lot of tech stuff um like i still get called in to help with stuff sometimes you know i I know just enough about everything, which is sort of unique in the office here. Like there's obviously a lot of things that, you know, an Anthony or an Alex know more than me about. But there's still things that I know more about than them.

Like I'm I'm a generalist. Right. So I still end up doing a lot. I also am surrounded by people who know more, like no matter what it is. Okay. So no matter who you are, there's something I know more than you about, but no matter what it is, there's someone in this building that knows way more about it than me. So I pick up a lot by osmosis. um just being around um you know hearing hearing what the trials and tribulations were and seeing the solution like i'm immersed in this stuff all day every day so even though a lot of it's administrative a lot of the admin stuff that i do like like paperworky stuff is things like script review so yeah on the one hand i did a lot of admin this week but i also got into the weeds of how

applications worked on apple's uh xserve line of servers uh we've got a video coming about those by the way we got our hands on the last model that they ever built like played around with it you know why it died spoiler alert it's too good it too good. Do you just like never have to swap them out or something? Well, so that's part of it. But that's not the biggest part of it because the way that Apple manages hardware obsolescence is through not providing software updates anymore. So realistically, they could have just, you know,

shortened the software support cycle on it or something like that. But what they were up against was completely different revenue models. Their model, right, is to sell hardware, for better or for worse, or at least, you know, in 2009. Yeah. Well, how do they compete then with, you know, Microsoft and their partners like dell or hp enterprise where they charge you for the hardware and then you pay for the software and then you pay for client access licenses service and at that time they were trying to figure out how to turn everything

service-based and apple's sitting here going well we're going to have a riot on our hands if we try to convert like this why are we even bothering when everything's going to go to the cloud anyway? So they're sitting there going, okay, how do we turn this into a recurring revenue model? We can either duke it out in this stupid specialized hardware space, or we can just turn everything into software, sorry, everything into a service-based,

cloud-based solution. Obviously, we know which way they went, right? It's so good. It does so much. And you just like get new software that just comes out for it. And there were some, you know, dumb locked into the Apple ecosystem things.

You had to buy their hard drive, for example. Oh, yeah, gross. Yeah, stuff like that. But once it was up and running running i can see why people loved them and people did like i couldn't figure i couldn't figure out before we really dug into it why anyone cared that xserve went away now i get it it acted as you could use it for like windows domain services oh yeah right i wouldn't have expected that smb file store file store uh file sharing like it did everything very cool yeah okay next one's up from zach uh hey linus and luke i

bought a house a year and a half ago congratulations nice and it's been a money pit oh uh yes would you like to retract your statement uh last week my roof leaked and badly damaged my ceiling and floor. Do you have any homeowner horror stories? Well, my garage has a roof leak in it. The roofers have been back to fix it once. It leaked again in the snow, this most recent snow. So it's all wet again. So that's cool I know Luke has had some horror stories my bathroom has leaked three

times because I was being gas lit by everyone that came to repair it and they kept telling me that it was something that it wasn't and then I finally got my like dad in who can't do it himself because he's not a licensed plumber anymore yeah but as a plumbing instructor and knows his so he came in and actually figured out what was actually happening yeah and then he got one of his students who is like ex-students who's a licensed plumber now to come in and fix it and now it hasn't been a problem anymore but that leaked multiple times the roof is leaked uh twice uh the the whole building had this like christmas tree style leak because there was a leak on the top floor that leaked out and down

throughout the entire building twice because it happened and then the company that was trying to restore the building from it happening caused another one to happen on the floor right below that one sick so it happened again and then it took them like a year to fix that and then a bunch of other things got wrecked and just it's been just a living nightmare basically uh do you remember the engineered hardwood that we put in as part of the um cleanest living room upgrade like when we went from the dark brown to the gray yeah so we chose that from a local flooring store and the supplier for it was in california and basically what happened was they installed it here um our humidity apparently either is too high or fluctuates too much and the whole thing contracted

and ripped apart there's gaps in that floor this big yeah between between the boards the um the installer tried to blame the store the store tried to blame the manufacturer they like sent in like a third-party expert basically to try to gaslight us into that our house was... First, they told us it wasn't humid enough. Then they told us it was too humid. Fortunately, we had a nest that monitored our humidity constantly. We were like, actually, no.

That ain't it. This is a defective product. You guys didn't allow it to whatever enough, or you didn't secure it well enough, or you didn't... You buffered too little or too much. You did something. Yeah. Or the product just, anyway, they ultimately never fully fixed it. And unless we want to sue them, there's nothing that we can do about it.

I mean, there's my pool that isn't done yet. That's pretty cool. There was also, when i installed the uh the diy air conditioning well first it leaked uh because i made a mistake and then that was fixed pretty quickly but you know caused a little bit of damage then we got you know by the laundry room the ceiling yeah the old place the ceiling there was like bad and like the floor was wet oh this was the new floor brand new floor was wet and was like rippling um so that was separate from the issue with the floor which they tried to blame that they tried to blame the the separation on

that but we're like no no there are completely separate rooms that are also separating that ain't it yeah um anyway so it was like rippling and we didn't realize until it had like come up in between the things because the leak was really slow um as it turns out the problem was not that the ac unit was leaking because you know how they it collects condensation right and it has to drain it somehow well that was all fine that's what i thought was the problem but i kept i checked those units over and over and over and over again. They weren't leaking, but the volume of water coming through was obviously substantial.

Do you know what it was? It was the main bathroom shower. Do you know why we never noticed? Because only Yvonne showers. I bath. because only Yvonne showers. I bath. So it was a micro fracture in an elbow, like a PVC elbow.

And as long as it was one shower once in a while, it didn't leak enough to cause any kind of problem. Like a few drops or whatever, it will eventually make its way away and it'll dry or whatever even inside a wall yeah but now that the ac was running continuously it revealed a flaw that had actually probably been there for years yeah um okay so there is that enough horror stories from you home ownership do be like that though it kind of sucks don't be down on baths what the is wrong with having a bath i take i take i take i take a different type of bath but i take baths yeah i mean your bath is more manly than my bath i got the scented candles up in there i got the chocolates on the side yeah i i take a bath look man when i especially when i

exercise i need a bath you like the heat man it's good it's good for the muscles yeah that's good for the muscles okay this next one's everyone's saying dual shower is a lie uh neo choen says i thought you said that uh you and yvonne shower together to talk over stuff yeah we used to shower together a lot more that was back in the day and we still we still do when i don't when i like didn't exercise but i man like at least every other day um like i okay i you know i'm gonna out myself here i'm not like an everyday shower or bather. There's also, in my opinion, there are certain levels of gross that you can be after doing like certain amounts of whatever activity that I will just go through the full shower cycle just like twice if I'm having a shower. Because I'm like, this is just, this needs more than one pass. And if you take a bath, you can kind of just deal with it, which is nice.

I don't know. I'm not down on baths. But yeah, so we use the shower occasionally but we were we were not using it a lot in the lead up to the ac thing and honestly i haven't used it much at the at the new place i would bath significantly more if i fit um i don't i don't even like remotely fit in in my bathtub so i i only use it for for cold stuff i'm not a once a week bather either though anytime i exercise i'll bathe and that's usually every other day god yeah so like i i have very few opportunities to take a shower like if i need to like quickly clean up yeah obviously i'll jump in the shower

okay got another one here from jamie uh linus if you were stuck on an island what's the one thing in your ltd backpack that will ensure your survival an ltd screwdriver i mean there's no one thing that's going to ensure your survival you're boned in what situation maybe a tent in what you're stranded on an island oh how about how about a sleeping how about a shelter? There. It could fit a decent-sized shelter. Your backpack can fit a lot of stuff.

Yeah, but he said I only get one thing. You only get one thing in the backpack? Yeah. That's it? Oh. Wow. Yeah. Okay, got another one here from Tong.

Got my first tech job paycheck today, and the first thing I bought was LTT merch. Are you proud of me? Not necessarily. As a big fan of open source software, does Floatplane contribute to open source software projects or plan to open source anything? Some of them, and yes and also no. Hold on. I want to address the am I proud of you thing yet. I am an advocate for fiscal responsibility.

So if you had a good job before that and it's just a career change or whatever else and you have plenty of money, then by all means, yeah, I'm super proud of you for getting your first tech job paycheck but you should only spend money on stuff if if you can afford it you shouldn't just like take a check and just like immediately convert it into stuff so if it was financially no problem yeah then love it yeah but if it was a stretch for you

then i would i would like to see you take care of things Like shelter And food And you know your basics Your basics first We don't sell anything Essential I think is pretty fair to say

I mean I think clothing is pretty essential And I think we can justify the cost of the clothing Just with how well it lasts But Sorry is pretty essential and I think we can justify the cost of the clothing just with how well it lasts but oh sorry that's Luke's reminder to tell me that the show's been going on for far too long and we need to wrap it up but it's not happening

anytime soon let's go I removed my bedtime alarms for a show next up's from Matthew Luke I love how you have shaped LTT and that you hired Linus. Just spent 1.5 hours on hold to set up an account for garbage.

What is the worst on hold call you've ever had or worst service call? Oh, Luke's got some stories. All right. I'm trying to even think, I don't even remember who it was. I know there's been some like data center stuff that's been brutal.

I know that I have spent literally a day. Like not a working day. Like literally a whole day from the morning till night on hold. But I'm trying to remember who it was. And I don't

remember. Linus, I used to be very against calling people. I hated calling people. And Linus got me on the just call people thing. Yeah, he'd be like, they didn't reply to my email. So there is simply no way for me to find an answer to this question. There's a phone number on their website. Or like a phone number in their email signature and now i pick up a phone now i'm like almost too far the other way where i like i hate

emailing if i have the possibility of just calling people so like i can just get this done faster i could i could get an answer immediately or i could just wait around and see if my message got lost in the ether oh obviously let's go there's, boop, boop, boop. Let's go. There's also a big problem with read receipts and like modern messaging stuff. Yeah, for sure. Where it's, I really can't trust if someone actually read it or not.

Even if it says that they read it, if it's an automatic thing and they didn't react to it, I don't trust that they actually read it. Because it might've just been opened on their phone and they didn't mean to. There was something very, very recently that I am 100% not going to go into details of, but I told you about, where I was just harassing people on the phone until I got far enough into the chain and then I finally got what I needed.

It worked. It works. It was not going to work any other way. Nope. Spent a lot of time on the phone there. I don't know. I don't have a specific one uh but i have i know that i have looked at my phone that was plugged in because it would like

ran out of battery because it's on the phone for so long on a hold timer or uh i don't know if it was on hold but it's like the next whatever is waiting for you. That was over eight hours long. Wow. I have seen that before. And then when they finally went to go like pick it up, something happened and it disconnected. And I had to call them and wait through the entire queue again. It didn't resume. That's wild. Companies that have call-in lines like that

really have to do the callback thing. Yeah. You're in queue. Do you want us to callback thing yeah you're in queue do you want us to call you back when you're up yes you press the button it hangs up they call you when you're and failing that they need to not have any human voice in the hold music yes that pisses me off yeah like did you know that our whatever whatever hours of operation are this and this to this oh is that a still because at least if i can just put it next to me and completely space out that's all right fine not great but it's acceptable yeah yeah thank god

you don't have minutes yeah yeah yeah it's not it's not my plan anyways get on linus yeah chat's loving this hey how's it going we're still on hold yeah see you later hope you're having a great day incredibly annoying especially once once you're more than like five minutes deep if you're two hours into waiting like i don't want to pay attention to this yes play the stupid hold music constantly so that i know the line hasn't dropped or whatever else i'll put it on whatever volume i need to not really care that much and the second that stops for whatever reason i want to pick it up and have someone be there yeah next up this one's from a different matthew long time fan here i don't think i've seen either

of you talk about lobe or ai ghosts before on when do you have any thoughts on this phenomenon i would be careful googling this i did that earlier and it's good that i don't personally find it that interesting um i'd never heard of this before he's very spooky i don't know it kind of has like a slender man kind of vibe that's what i feel like too it's kind of uh i don't know it's just yeah yeah all right i don't personally find it that interesting moving on next one's from cory hi guys in the labs your video your video you commented how it was supposed how it wasn't making any revenue yet in the labs video you commented how it wasn't making any revenue yes how will it or the new site make revenue by supporting videos or will the new site have

some form of subscription yes um affiliate revenue subscriptions, maybe helping us produce better content on the video channels, helping us launch more video channels. Some of it's going to be a little bit intangible. Yeah, I'd love to see retailers license API access to our data, for example, to make their product pages more informative. I don't know. In the long term, there's all kinds of ideas, but only time will tell. I know that it's going to be a competitive advantage to have this testing capacity.

That I know. What we're competing for, what we're going to win, who we're competing against, not sure. Yeah. Okay, next one's from Melissa. One of my coworkers has an LTD water bottle and accidentally cooked it in our industrial oven. Did you know that it can withstand over 300 degrees for four hours with no damage at all? Even the lid was intact.

I would not recommend that. The glass beading might also yeah the glass bead in the bottom um yeah 300 that might not be enough to melt glass i don't know i don't know that's it doesn't say fahrenheit or celsius not my area of expertise okay well cool neat don't do that intentionally yeah please, please. Next one's from Carlos. Love the backpack. Takes to work every day, and the tech pouch will be a great addition. I can't wait for LTX if you can talk about it.

Linus, what creators have you spoken to about coming to LTX? I haven't gotten an approved list yet. Some of them are, you know, even once we say they're coming, stuff happens. Things come up last minute, whether it's like, uh, creators, their schedules are crazy. Yeah. Family responsibility or, or, uh, uh, an impossible to say no to sponsor deal, you know, whatever you never know. Stuff happens, you know, life, life is, life is crazy.

Um, but what I've asked the team to do is check in with people and say, hey, can I at least say that you want to try to come? And if you aren't able to make it, no hard feelings or whatever, but we want to at least be able to start to talk about people. And I'm not there yet. Soon. Apparently Brett from UFD Tech announced today that he's going to LTX. Okay. I mean, I didn't know, but there you go. Someone in chat said it.

I don't know if it's legit or not. No one told me he was confirmed, so I guess creators might start talking about it on their own. Okay, next up is... His mom is definitely coming. My dad is. Let's go. Next up is from Riley.

Hey, Linus, do you have any plans for your company in terms of handing it down to your kids in the future? If so, can you share any ideas? I wouldn't want it to just turn into nepotism central here. I don't think that's healthy for the work environment. How would you go about employing one of them? Man. Man.

See, that's tough because i could imagine myself saying you know junior you're gonna start at the bottom and darn it you're gonna stay there until you you know prove yourself but i could also see myself kind of you know every parent wants to create an advantage for their children they want them to succeed right so you know if if my son or daughter came to me and was like, you know, Dad, I've got this great idea for a channel, I... You would want to give them a shot? Yeah, yeah. Maybe I'd want to give them a shot at it, you know?

Like, I... But then there's a risk there, right? Like like where's the line between giving them a shot and you know essentially uh hiring people to to babysit them i always liked um keep them out of my hair you know i've told these stories before but my dad was very often one of the coaches on a variety of sports teams that I played on and the initial reaction of all the kids on the team if they haven't played with you before is like oh this is going to be stupid because you're just going to get all the advantageous positions and you're going to get more play time than everyone all this kind of stuff

and within a couple weeks usually they had totally flipped and they were like, oh man, I'm like, so sorry. Because my dad would be way harder on me than anybody else. Which was absolutely the way to go. We agreed on it. Like, there was, I mean, it's not like he was going to do it in any other way, to be completely clear. But like, I agreed with him on it and all this kind of stuff. Because I hated it when all the kids would be like, oh your dad's a coach you're gonna get everything handed to you i would rather earn it and then them respect me yeah so like i liked that the other one was um

one time my brother reffed a hockey game that i was in and the other team thought it was going to be bs and then i like hit somebody and my brother ran up to me and grabbed the back of my jersey and tossed me across. This is when he was like max jacked. He literally threw me and I went like flying through the air and then everyone was like, all right, nevermind. I think it's fine. But yeah, I don't know. I think you almost have to be

like more watchful, more harsh. But then at the same time it's not like the point isn't to just like beat them into submission either that too yeah right like you want to you want to create an environment where they can do their best give them the opportunity but don't just like make them auto win i think yeah the way to go because they're like there's this whole thing where um where wealth survives a maximum of i think it's like three or four generations or something like that because what the the the the characteristics that create wealth are not perpetuated by being wealthy so So it's like cyclical. Yeah.

Um, and so we got to figure out, you know, how to, how to make our kids have the same characteristics that have made me and Yvonne successful. And it sure wasn't growing up with silver spoons in our mouths. Yeah.

Yeah. Like our kids have it way easier than we did by a long shot we see it and we like don't know how to fix it because obviously you know we would like to enjoy our success a little you know i i don't i don't want to have a newspaper route after my full-time job during the day and have my kids fall asleep in the back of the car while I deliver papers or whatever um just so that they see that like because I just don't want to it's tough this has been a thing that's been very interesting to observe from the outside is like how you deal with that because I know all those concepts have always been very important to you yeah but then it's like

what's the limit on not enjoying your own success and like what do you do just lie to your kids i don't we could just not leave the money we've talked about it yeah is there realistically a benefit in that i don't know are their lives actually better maybe i'm not saying like i'm not actually fighting the other side i'm just i don't know and and it's not even necessarily the kids that are the problem could be the grandkids like maybe our yeah i don't know yeah your inheritance is backpacks and screwdrivers good luck have fun oh man you want another yeah all right this is an anonymous one hello and good weekend luke and linus is there being any progress on getting the official honeywell ptm 7950 thermal pad to ltt

store a little bit you don't have to read the exact words you can like honeywell are all right on getting the official Honeywell PTM7950 thermal pad to LTT store. A little bit. You don't have to read the exact words. Honeywell are all rights reserved. Yes, but we're not sure what it's going to look like yet. I don't think we had any luck getting in touch with Honeywell directly, but I think we're in touch with a supplier. So, yeah, we'd love to carry it. I think we're also chatting with the Rackstuds folks

about carrying Rackstuds. Just like, I don't know. Can the store just carry good products? I think so. I don't see why not. This one's from Suneer. Oh, yeah. We'll get the dimensions for the tech pouch at some point.

Oh, I yelled at Nick and now they're on the website. Oh, they are. Yay. Sorry, I sent him a respectful professional message of course you did um that's dan for you size guide got him nice um there we go boop enjoy okay uh i'm interested in the new tech pouch but i don't see dimensions yeah yeah yeah we already did that one. They're there now. Let's go. Okay. Yeah, sorry.

Joseph, Linus, have you upgraded the firmware on your Z-Wave stick? The 700 series has a bug, which creates crazy amounts of traffic, making the network unusable. Any more home automation videos coming? I wonder if that's part of my problem. I haven't specifically done that. I will have to look into that. More home automation videos coming? Yeah, undoubtedly at some point, but not for a while. I'm waiting on in a valley to release their new Millimeter wave presence detection switches. Hopefully that'll solve a lot of my problems

So what this is a float plane message actually, but I want to address it Someone mentioned after the goat video have you gained any traction with Linus opening a land center so one of the problems there is that that wouldn't solve this particular problem because so many and we've talked about this too so many modern games don't support local play at all a lot a lot of games are multiplayer only there's not very much like local scrimmage there's not very much co-op there's not as even as much single player I find there's a lot of games are multiplayer only there's not very much like local scrimmage there's not very much co-op there's not as even as much single player i find there's a lot of multiplayer only games coming out and like tarkov for instance you can do something that is uh super privateery

and you can there's like a single player version of it that you can there's like a single player version of it that you can acquire but it's like very not above board and that version doesn't support co-op and it's like definitely illegal so it's i don't know I haven't really talked about yet and it will be designed in such a way that it will be powered up and networked up and the goal is to make when up make whale when a regular occurrence so I with this vaguely yeah I think we've I think I've never really just come out and said it progress is excellent on the building and first it is it is loaded for bear in terms of networking and power. I think we'll be able to do 250,

300 person lands there pretty easily. And the requirements that I laid out for chase and anyone working on events is I want this thing pretty much, um, preloaded onto pallets, or pretty much to the point where in three hours, we can roll it out. Set up and take down really fast.

I'm talking network switches for the tables that at the end of the event, you just unplug them from the computers, wrap them up, stack them, so when it's time to redeploy them, you just go plonk, plonk from the computers, wrap them up, stack them. So when it's time to redeploy them, you just go plonk, plonk from the wall. Do you think you could have certain folding tables where it's like built into the table? So you don't even have to, you just unplug it and fold the table and put it away? I mean, maybe.

Yeah. I don't see why we couldn't, we couldn't wire it up like that. I mean, basically I said, look, I don't want it to interfere with our ability to run this place as a badminton center but if we book off times occasionally i would like this to be a quarter or something unroll roll back up about three hours i think is the goal that i set for them with uh with a handful of people and i think it's doable because the entire building is going to have all of the connection points for land and power to the point where if you've got just like a couple of bins of these California Standard power breakout boxes, and you kind of roll them over, and you just go,

well, there's your power. You've got just like a big cart of tables. You just kind of roll down the middle and go, okay, table, table, table, table, table. If you know what the layout is and you've kind of done it a few times, I think we could get this down to the point where we could, on a Friday night, say, okay, thanks for watching.

See you again next time. Same bad time, same bad channel. For those of you who are going to be at Whaleland, we'll see you guys in half an hour. That'd be sick. And we just... Dude, the after party comes back in a real big way. Yeah.

Basically. Yeah, I'm super excited. That's another random thing I found. The overlay for the after party. For the after party, the gaming overlay. Yeah, yeah. Apparently Jake updated your Z-Wave stick, by the way. Oh, thanks, Jake.

Yeah. Legendary Dust on Floatplane says, Honeywell is hard to get a hold of. They won't return my emails emails and I'm trying to buy aircraft parts for the US Air Force oh my goodness okay then they tried calling them yeah

I don't know it's a good question yeah very topical all right this one's from Ryan longtime viewer LTT store whale thanks for adding another item I have purchased now when will we see the RGB PC case pin

back in stock I don't know I think that was part of the limited run the last time the reason that we did it as a limited run was that we didn't get that one sampled and we were worried it would suck, so we ordered very limited quantities of it.

It wasn't an intentional limited edition thing. So with that in mind, I don't see why we wouldn't restock it, but I don't have any kind of ETA on that. You'd have to, I don't know. Nick would know. That's his department. Okay, next up is from Louis.

Hi, Luke. On a previous WAN show, you mentioned you would make and make inverted chicken cordon bleu to impress people what kind of people luke isn't that just like ham and cheese on top how many x chromosomes did they have of a chicken breast two um so in the yeah i would how successful was it luke actually extremely how do you define success i'm not going into that but i will say it was 100 successful uh and and it had a decent sample size um so it was chicken breast in a frying pan, a little bit of olive oil. You would put,

oh man, it's been so long. Okay. Basil on top of the chicken breast with prosciutto ham on top of that and then provolone cheese on top of that. And you would try, the difficulty was keeping it all together. So part of the reason why this was successful is because it was visually interesting. So you could keep them entertained. So you'd need to let the basil sit there for a second. So it kind of cook in. And then when you put the ham on, you wanted to kind of press it around the perimeter of the chicken so it would kind of sear into the chicken slightly so that it would hold together and then you need to use two spatulas to flip it over once you put the cheese on so you could cook the cheese on the top as well and then it was basically chicken cordon bleu just not not inside. It's on top. So we call that inverted.

It was great. And very successful, you say. Yeah. I don't want to know. You do know. Oh, God. Everyone knows. Your mom knows.

Yeah. This wasn't a secret. Everyone's young at a certain point in time, and they're on the market. Nope, I was never young. I am now happily off the market. This is not a problem. I was never young. Yeah.

I've always been old and boring. I've got to talk to my mom. Oh, no. All right, this next one's from Greg. Hey, Linus, my company works with the fireworks. They're happening again this year, the same weekend as LTX. Thought you'd want to consider giving people a heads up. Saturday downtown will suck.

Plan ahead. Oh, yeah. Good point. Oh. I would hope by the time we're rolling around to fireworks time, everyone who's going to be at the BYOC would already be there. The Whaleland could step out and watch the fireworks for a second and then go back inside. I don't think it'd be for a second though, because if you need

to be on like Spanish banks or whatever to see them, I don't think it's going to be that close. Oh, okay. I don't know where they were. Yeah. Alright, this next one's from AJ. LMG holds a lot of valuable parts and you often joke about taking stuff from the office during extreme upgrades. Has anything

really valuable gone missing or has anyone anonymously been caught doing that uh the pippin x mark console disappeared yes i don't know what happened to it i genuinely do not have it um also it actually sucks because that thing was really cool i lent luke this dvd that was not a part of work. That is not inventory. Eight years ago and I said hey this is not only you know my favorite show but also you know it's kind of rare and it has some sentimental value for me as well and could I please get it back once you're done watching it and not only did I not get it back when he was done watching it i had to follow it up earlier this week and he was like no i don't have it but he was like oh maybe i do have it i said i would look for it and then he found it and now i finally got it back and i consider that

to be a long enough time period that it's completely unacceptable he stole it essentially he stole it and waited for me to forget Oh Pippin Atmark Sorry did I say Xmark? Sorry Pippin Atmark was the console That is a true story I did just get this back From him right before the show today And I did lend it to him 8 years ago The details are perfect though

The main ones By the way this is a great show It's streaming on CBC Gem It's very funny This is a great show. It's streaming on CBC Gem. It's very funny. Okay, I guess I got it.

Where I worked, parts were locked in an inventory cage or closets. Hint, hint, at Luke. Yeah, it would be a little unreasonable, I think, to do that here. Yeah, I don't think it's realistic. The building is that inventory cage. And we have good people here. Yeah. Like, we've actually had shockingly little go missing over the years. I wouldn't even be surprised if we found that stupid at marks lying around somewhere at some point.

I'm just not too worried about it. Where it would even be. I don't know. Kind of sucks because they're not like. It could have been thrown away. The server that we used for 10 gamers, cpu got accidentally thrown away which i was extremely angry about it wasn't stolen it was just it was it was chucked into the like the outside um uh that trailer that we used for like hauling junk to the dump and i found it in there completely

like destroyed oh my god and i was like what the actual happened here because it was worth thousands of dollars right and some miscommunication had taken place and it got thrown away oh my god yeah that hurts okay this next one's from another anonymous uh where did the wan show intro animation come from ed made it yeah oh Yeah. Oh, wow. He's made all of them, as far as I know. And the last of the curated I have is from Brian. Hey, Linus and Luke, have you ever considered open sourcing any of the software projects for Floatplane and Labs?

We just talked about this. TBD. Yeah. Yeah, TBD. Okay, we've got a few potentials.'ll have a look at these yeah go through it um what's y'all's favorite non-canadian food asks eduardo favorite non-canadian i mean oh man pretty much all of my favorite foods are not like what the hell's canadian food we really have is like poutine yeah it's stupid and like half the time you get poutine here it's not made right

like it yeah it's it's too the gravy is too cold to melt the cheese. And you're sitting here going, this is basic. It's got, I don't know, man, like curry, like any kind of like Malaysian curry or like, like yeah, Southeast Asian curry, Indian curry. I love curry. Like burritos. Give me a burrito any day. I love nachos.

Man, authentic Mexican. Every time I go down to la like the first thing i do is find some hole in the wall mexican restaurant now because yeah so good yeah we have we have some mexican places up here most of them are like fast food style like chipotle style no which is not really going to be it yeah and the like one or two sit downs that we have really they suck they are no offense not on the same level at all now you could go to any like just random mexican place in like la it's like it's the same as uh it's the same as how you can get you know indian food in vancouver and it's like overpriced and it's fusion and blah blah

blah uh or you can get indian food in surrey where there's a huge east indian community yeah and it's like it's cheap and plentiful and delicious yeah you're just like yeah because that's where the people who eat this all the time and actually know what it's supposed to taste like are. Yeah. So, yeah, it really depends. Yeah. Oh, right, I'm doing this now. Now it's your job. Okay, so now I just, if I hit reject, does it go back? Okay, if someone can clear them from the reject pile

after I press that, then that would be cool. Luke, what would you say gives you the most fulfillment in your professional life? Asks Luke. Oh, wait, it's not, oh, fulfillment in your professional life? Asks Luke. Oh, wait, it's not. Oh, it's for both of us. From Luke. I thought it was to Luke.

Sure. Well, cool. It's not that easy, is it? I've had a really fun time as my team has expanded and the things that we work on have expanded. I've really liked, I don't know. I like making things that we work on have expanded i've really liked i don't know i like making things that people use yeah and like no i'm not directly making it but i like working with a team who makes things that people use so like i like that internal people use the inventory system yeah i like that linus media group is the you know largest member of Floatplane and we use the platform.

I like that people are going to be using the labs website. I like that people use blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I like that the path that we're going on is more of that. Yeah. I've always liked that. One of the reasons why when I first got into software engineering, I wanted to work with, I wanted to make like controller boards and stuff like that was because like people are literally going to literally use this thing yeah and i think that's cool uh so i've always

liked that i think that's probably mine yeah i think that's um i think that combined with seeing people follow um not follow because they they take completely different paths from me, but seeing people be inspired by what we do and get into computer engineering, software engineering, electronics engineering, like seeing what we're doing, just like sharing this love of it, create a new generation of people who are going to pursue these career paths and create the the next the next wave of cool technology for us to geek out over is i i i love that it's kind of a perpetual motion machine what what we're making um definitely yeah it's a good one uh michael says been waiting on these shirts also i really enjoy watching some of the more thematic artistic builds like the nerdforge pc do you have a

favorite well the nerdforge pc obviously that thing is so cool actually we've done some other really cool stuff the copper tubing build was really amazing i loved alex's sleeper builds like that xbox one was super cool um favorite builds i mean the original desk pc was a classic but i don't know that it's a favorite anonymous says friday when shows a ritual at this point fun fact ltt store.com merch is all over the place at zooks a self-driving car company uh not to have go ai tangent luke what are your thoughts on robo taxis oh yeah i saw this uh i think they're absolutely the future of taxis like no doubt uh i also don't think we're necessarily 100 there yet um but i totally think that's the way that's gonna go thought that for a long time too yeah

i think i'm replying to the right message yet oh wait oh shoot no i replied to the wrong one oh no uh jody i don't have any thoughts on for our systems cooling yet the solid state cooling i haven't been hands-on yet but hopefully soon i think we're in touch with them asa asks last year i had asked about the possibility of the lab developing a daw benchmark a um uh digital audio workstation benchmark you said it'll happen likely is it still in the works it will happen i don't know that i would say it is in the works but it is absolutely something that we want to do. It just hasn't been the highest priority. And, you know, that's the thing, right? Is something that is like always beat here, never gets done. And I don't know, I don't know how we get past that on this

one, because you're not the first to request it and you won't be the last. And anonymous asks, what technology is in its relative infancy like risk 5 or graphene processors or whatever that you're excited to see in the hands of consumers ar i think ar is not even infancy yet i think it's still in the womb i'm so sketched for ar i'm all the conversation around ar right now is saturation of ads I'm not kidding like that's actually I'm hoping for useful ar yeah Yeah, well Okay that I don't know I don't know if I'm Great

And I think that's it for the show today we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye this is hilarious um uh no it doesn't matter uh the uh the the slav is messaging me um just passed uh just passed a class and is excited telling me a little story. At the end of the session, the instructor goes, okay, let's take an end of session photo. Uh, let me just take my glasses off. Me pops his blue light shades on instructor.

Ivan, why did you put your shades on me? Because when you're this cool, the sun shines above you 24 seven. That's why. And you know, he would actually talk like oh he definitely said that yeah this is cool though um the the money that we raised when we uh matched his donation with the the gpu collection auction and everything like that this is a part of the um the like children's ukraine that's cool uh like shelter thing that that was made so awesome loop the picture