The WAN Show - We Won! - WAN Show April 08, 2022

Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the WAN Show everyone! This week you get live tech tips. They're behind the camera unfortunately but right now we're dealing with potentially a bit of either bad or not fully plugged inside of things but currently troubleshooting is happening live. This is extremely action-packed. Apparently the encoding is overloaded. Never ran into this before. I'm going to Google Live with everyone else on the WAN show about what the heck that means. All right. Woo!

Starting point is 00:00:35 I think we're good. Okay. Don't worry about it. We'll figure it out another time. Yeah. Let's jump right into our first topic, shall we? And we're back! Yeah.

Starting point is 00:00:47 Yeah. What are we going for? Google joins the iFixit party, providing parts and tools for self-repair. Not to be outdone by rivals Apple and Samsung, Google has partnered with iFixit to provide not just self-repair parts, but tools and guides. The devices that will be supported are all Pixel phones, from the Pixel 2 through the Pixel 6 Pro,

Starting point is 00:01:16 along with a commitment to support future Pixel models. And this is a particularly big deal for Pixel owners, because Pixels break all the time. Oh, yeah. I mean, Luke, you've had personal experience with Pixel phones breaking and being just perpetually broken. If my screen is on for any amount of time, the top drag down menu will just randomly come down over and over and over again. Rock on, brother. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:01:41 You want to see your notification? You want to see your notification? Want to see your notifications? How about now? That's my phone. I feel like I'm conversing with my phone right now. Yeah, I've had ever since Pixel 2, every version after that,

Starting point is 00:01:52 I've had tons of problems with every phone that I've had, unfortunately. Also, just right to repair support in general is a fantastic thing to see. I know. Very happy. It's fantastic. I think it's been on a tear

Starting point is 00:02:04 just getting all these different companies to join with their general program credit to other advocates like lewis rossman absolutely absolutely absolutely incredible it's it's frustrating it's frustrating that it took this long and it's frustrating that it took so many people shouting so loudly about something so obvious yeah but it feels like the ball is actually moving yeah like especially over the last few months i think of its own accord yeah to the point where we might actually have dare i say it some momentum yeah yeah there's been some really significant companies joining on. I didn't really see this one coming, to be completely honest.

Starting point is 00:02:49 I didn't think Google was going to jump on this, but I'm really stoked that they did. Each kit comes with an eye-opener tool, pre-cut adhesives to restore water resistance, and the appropriate spudgers, picks, tweezers, precision bit drivers, and suction cups that you need to get the job done. The repair program launches later this year with no set availability date.

Starting point is 00:03:09 And there's a discussion question of, is there any downside to this whatsoever? No. I don't think we need to discuss that too much. And the next question is, who's next? Oh, wow. I mean... I don't... We're a software company. I mean... I don't...

Starting point is 00:03:26 We're a software company. I don't think we'd be able to... No, there's nothing we can do about it right now. We are live. So they're going to have to flip over to one of the other services if it's not working properly. Okay.

Starting point is 00:03:38 I already said that in the chat. Okay. So who's next? I mean... At this point? I'd love to see sony step in oh that'd be fantastic for game consoles yeah that would be a big deal particularly cool because of um i believe it was a right to repair video and the guy used a stack of playstations as his example of why right to repair should exist because he's like this gigantic tower of playstations with like minor problems can't be fixed can't be fixed so yeah that would be great that's actually a really good example that'd be huge i mean my nintendo will never do it no because

Starting point is 00:04:13 they just don't care about anything other than you buying nintendo yep that's it yep um yeah personally like there's there's some i I think Sony was a fantastic answer. To be honest, though, just anyone. Just get more mass in this program. Just anybody that could potentially benefit from it, I think would be great. I mean, who would you want to see? Like, to me, Sony is a big one

Starting point is 00:04:38 just because of the sheer volume of e-waste that gets produced every time we move to a new generation of console and people just start discarding their old ones um hp dell yeah yeah i mean mass laptop look i mean dell made all that noise about their sustainable what was it project luna it was a little weird i forget what like posturing yeah i it felt a lot like posturing and now there's just no excuse yeah i feel like in discussing any laptop thing i should bring up shareholder framework uh but absolutely everyone should be doing it hp does a relatively good job

Starting point is 00:05:20 actually they provide a lot of documentation on their own not even through third parties which is completely fine which is totally you don't have to join iFixit absolutely not not necessarily like it's it's a it's a win right now when companies do because iFixit is handling a lot of it but if you want to create just as good of a program in regards to offering repair guides repair parts tools etc to your customers great it does it does not need to go through iFixit i'm happy that iFixit is facilitating all this kind of stuff and i'm happy when people join but it is absolutely not the only way to get this done if your company's like no we have to keep things in house that's fine um just do it just do it then yeah any other like monstrous tech companies that we'd want to

Starting point is 00:06:02 see jump on i mean okay, here's another example of, I mean, I guess people don't really repair like a wireless router. Yeah, okay. I mean. I haven't seen that many like break, you know? Yeah, generally they've been, well, I wasn't gonna, I was gonna say,

Starting point is 00:06:23 generally they've been very reliable no no reliable is not the word that i would use but generally they work as well five years in as they did when they started yeah yeah yeah that's a good that's a good way of putting it there's nothing necessarily to fix yeah yeah it's just broken yeah from the get-go yeah you have to do initial improvements on the subject of repairing things guess what i have here with me you asked me what this box was oh that wasn't even the box i was talking about but i'm so excited this is sarah's handcrafted painstakingly crafted retail packaging for the screwdriver.

Starting point is 00:07:07 Oh, wow. You will be the first to unbox it, Luke. So cool. You can read the thing on the back and everything. On the back, it says this is the screwdriver we're always... He can read. Weave. Is there a typo? No, weave.

Starting point is 00:07:22 I dyslexia'd the heck out of it. Oh. It's on me. Jeez, okay. I don't know how many No, we've... I dyslexia'd the heck out of it. Oh. It's on me. Jeez, okay. I don't know how many of these we've printed yet. This is the screwdriver we've always wanted. With Megapro's retractable bit cartridge and our own shape, feel, and finish, it's the best of what we saw in the existing screwdriver space.

Starting point is 00:07:38 We spared no expense in trying to make the perfect multi-bit screwdriver for everyone, whether you're a PC enthusiast, a handy person, or just someone who appreciates quality products that last for years. We are confident that this will be your go-to driver

Starting point is 00:07:51 for years to come. Thank you so much for supporting this new project with us. We hope you love it as much as we do. And then Lionel Sebastian in text and Lionel Sebastian in signing. And it also shows the bits that it comes with. Although you can buy the BitDriver packs if you want more, right? Yes. Yeah're gonna open it yeah you're gonna open it

Starting point is 00:08:08 on the front it also shows the bits in spot gloss sarah is a big fan of spot gloss so that's like that's like the i don't know if they can really see it yeah it's hard to catch you have to kind of catch it in the light yeah i'm trying but i can't tell um but yeah you can see like an outline of the screwdriver and stuff we We really have spared no expense. Trust me. This is actually pretty cool. I like this. Oh, it's like orange insides.

Starting point is 00:08:32 You can see things. There's another what looks like spot gloss diagram of the internals of the screwdriver this time and with the bit load again. Would you like to hear the notification sign-up numbers? That's not final. That's not final that's not final ignore that okay yeah okay the ratchet is that ratchet's not final there's still there's still some stuff to be done there i'm not going to sugarcoat it guys i'm not going to tell you stuff's done if it's not it's not quite done uh would you like to hear the latest numbers for signups though yes

Starting point is 00:09:00 uh okay i'm not sure if i should be terrified in a good or bad way it's at the point now where both of them are looking like they could be a bit of a problem in terms of fulfillment at the beginning the screwdriver has a total of just shy of 60 000 notification signups for when it comes in stock so given that we were hoping to press go when we had 30 000 in stock thinking that that would last until our next shipment would hit us we're actually considering delaying general availability um it may be that on the first shipment the only way to get one will be to be signed up for the notification list because a lot of these people won't go through right away. Yeah, but I suspect more than 50% will. It'll be a lot of them.

Starting point is 00:09:47 So you are going to want to get signed up if you want to get one. And for the backpack, we are at 33,000 signups. Our first shipment of backpacks is 10,000. Basically, if you have not yet signed up for a notification, you are not getting one in the first shipment yeah and if you don't sign up for a notification now you will not get one in the second wave you will be waiting a while and either of these are like exclusive productions and stuff

Starting point is 00:10:19 so if you don't get it it's okay you can get it later we will make more yeah but the longer the wait lists get the longer it will take because You can get it later. We will make more, but the longer the wait lists get, the longer it will take. Because, I mean, honestly, this is something we've talked about a fair bit on the WAN show, and I've talked about a lot internally lately. We are very cashflow limited right now.

Starting point is 00:10:34 For the first time, I think, since probably the first couple of years, our growth is limited by how much cash we can deploy at the moment. It's all out there. And there's just, I mean, there's, I guess there's a, oh man, should I, should I, should I break the news? Which one?

Starting point is 00:10:55 The, the one, the one down the road. I think that one's probably okay. Should I break the news? Yeah. Okay. What little... Do people internally know this? Some do.

Starting point is 00:11:07 What little cash Yvonne and I had left for business development and expenses that maybe we would put into... We actually wanted to add another production of Backpacks. So we have three runs that are already booked and we wanted to book a fourth. But it may no longer be possible because do you guys remember how, when we announced the lab,

Starting point is 00:11:32 I called it lab one. Well, I think I said explicitly at the time it was called lab one because I knew that it wasn't going to be the, the lab. It was lab one and there would be a would be other more different lab or labs. We put an offer on lab two. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:11:54 Lab two is over five times the size of lab one. Yeah, it's a big boy. It's a chungus boy. So basically what I think is going to be happening sometime over the next six months is

Starting point is 00:12:17 we're going to have to do some serious reshuffling internally of our departments in order to try to optimize keeping people as close as possible to their reporting lines and making sure that everything runs as smoothly as as possible as we aggressively grow going into the latter half of 2022 and 2023 so we are doubling our footprint um meaning that guys i need you to buy some screwdrivers and backpacks i gotta give which are we talking about the pre-order thing i gotta be honest with you

Starting point is 00:12:58 uh we had a serious conversation internally about opening up pre-orders. One of the ideas that we had was opening up pre-orders to floatplane subscribers only. This has two benefits for us as a business. Number one is if there's people that are really eager to get their hands on the screwdriver or backpack and they want to be absolutely first, it incentivizes them to sign up for floatplane, which helps us at a time that we're cash limited cash limited right now and number two is that it means that the people who are pre-ordering are the ones that are more likely to understand if there's a delay or a miscommunication or or something that any any small stumble in the lead up to actually shipping these products floatplane is unanimously like pre-order now take my money yeah i know i know that's what you guys would say which is why we considered opening them up to you guys but the problem is that

Starting point is 00:13:56 actually it was yvonne who was like you can can't do that. Even though she's the money person here, right? She was like, dude, you said you're not going to do it. At this point, it's not about money. It's about, is your word worth anything or not? Yeah, we tried to do some stuff knowing that where like, we decided that we would technically get like, one of the plans was, okay, if they are a flow plane subscriber and they buy the screwdriver at normal costs,

Starting point is 00:14:28 they get like free flow plane months. Like what? Yeah. Like it was going to be somewhere between one and two because the system was going to be way easier to build. If we just didn't care when someone's billing cycle was, we promised a month and then it was just, it could be up to almost two,

Starting point is 00:14:44 but like it'll just be whatever be up to almost two but like it'll just be whatever's left of this billing cycle plus the next one so we were trying to make it like yeah less i guess predatory that way because we we we were worried about people being like oh you guys condemned the best buy thing and we were gonna be like well yeah but this one like i don't know it's not the same for like a bunch of reasons and stuff. But ultimately, yeah, I think Yvonne was right. She's right. She's right. We can't compromise the principles because if we compromise on our don't pre-order principles,

Starting point is 00:15:15 then it means that we are compromising. You know, people might think, okay, maybe they compromised on the quality of the product then. Right? So, nope. think, okay, maybe they compromised on the quality of the product then. Right? So, nope. Now, to be clear, I'm not saying that we will never open up pre-orders of any form ever.

Starting point is 00:15:33 I think that what Valve did with the Steam Deck is really smart, where they had people pay a small amount of money to reserve because you want to know how many to make. And it's really challenging. If it's as simple as just signing up for an email, I don't know what your commit level is, right? So that 60,000 or that 35,000, that could mean anywhere from one to 60,000 people are going to buy them.

Starting point is 00:15:56 There could be a ton of people who didn't sign up. We can't actually build projections based on this stuff. So I think that exploring something like that in the future might be okay. I think that if we were to do a product that's more iterative, I would be potentially comfortable pre-selling it. Like maybe we do a different colorway of the backpack, for example. Like we want to do a limited edition colorway. And it's like, guys, look, it's, it's the same backpack that, you know, and love.

Starting point is 00:16:28 That almost sounds like a, like a print to order situation. But in blue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pre-order it. We'll do a run at the factory. Here we go.

Starting point is 00:16:35 Yeah. You know, right. Like I think there's situations where it might be okay. I think that once we, once we're farther down a path where we've got this this consistency in our in our delivery and maybe when the world's and logistics are not such that it could be anywhere between a month to four months from now i don't know right if we have some idea when things will actually arrive i think the situation could change but as it stands right now i'm not comfortable enough to to take the money so things are going to be really tight for us probably for about the next four to six months after that our hope is that these products are

Starting point is 00:17:18 going to be crazy hyper successful and we're going to we're going gonna be sort of laughing about yeah we're gonna be laughing about cube 2 2022 remember that yeah sorry if you're done there i want to be able to open floatplane chat so you got to tell me about what's on the store oh yes we do have a new product I can't monitor chat right now Alright this is one of those things that is The result of Nick and I just having like **** Conversation

Starting point is 00:17:53 He sent me over this thing that's like Holy crap A. Shout out our community You guys have been Amazing The LTTstore.com artwork on r slash place came in number six and seven for the most edited pixels over the course of the entire campaign. And it was all due to the war between LTTstore.com and LTTstore.com. So to celebrate this epic battle, we've created a limited edition shirt where the red outline represents one and the blue outline represents the other it's intentionally a little subtle

Starting point is 00:18:50 okay yeah to make sure that it's something you can actually wear out in public oh my goodness but it absolutely pays homage to both sides um you know I feel like they were really good people on both sides. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. That's a dated reference at this point, thankfully. So there it is. The LTT Store Place T-shirt. This is a pre-sale, guys. So pre-sale, but not really a pre-order

Starting point is 00:19:24 because we are only printing the exact number of these that you lot actually order uh we are expecting them to ship by april 25th these shirts are in stock it's just a matter of working with our local printing partner to get them all printed up if you order multiple items your whole order will be held until the shirt is printed. This is to save you and me on shipping costs. Why are we enriching FedEx and UPS and USPS and all the shipping companies for no freaking reason?

Starting point is 00:19:56 We're not going to do that. We'll ship the whole thing together, not to mention burning extra fuel. So this is it. Immortalize the epic.com versus.com battle of r slash blaze 2022 we somehow managed to secure a top 10 spot in the most contested pixels all thanks to our utterly incredible community as for as for the the shilliness we've got people in floatplane chat talking about it. The shilliness of wearing an LTTstore.com shirt.

Starting point is 00:20:29 You know, honestly, that's the reason we've never done it. I've had it pitched to me many times and I've opposed it every time. I've been like, look, you know, it just feels like kind of taking the piss. But the reality of it is this community built that i'm okay fine i'll finally do it i'll find because there's also like it's actually super normal um like i don't know how else to say this but a lot of times when you buy just a shirt from a store in a mall it's just the store's logo but the dot com part is like but it also wouldn't be it wouldn't be about this moment if you didn't have dot com dot com in it like maybe we do an

Starting point is 00:21:13 ltt store shirt at some point i don't know ltt store or something across the front but i don't think we'd put the dot com i'm being asked are they the new LTT shirts or are they American apparel? I believe they are American apparel. We are moving through the rest of our American apparel stock, and then we're going to switch everything over to LTT shirts moving forward. Now that we've seen the outstanding reception to our own shirts. So this will be one of the last shirts that we do exclusively in American Apparel, and it'll probably switch over sometime after this. The reality of it is we didn't probably order enough of the custom ones to even do a limited edition drop like this because we just wanted to make sure that in mass production they were still going to be good.

Starting point is 00:22:01 I don't know how long we are leaving this up for sale but i think nick and i had talked about like 24 hours maybe tell you what let's give it till the end of the weekend we'll go till sunday night give you guys a chance to get in there but let's get it uh let's get it going let's get it going cool awesome all right we should probably do like another discussion topic maybe Yeah we did one Why don't we talk about the ubiquity scandal Wanna walk us through that

Starting point is 00:22:30 Yeah let me go find it really quick Ubiquity sues Brian Krebs from Krebs on security This was actually last week but we missed it And that was not intentional Not a word That wasn't intentional either not a word just low-key huck my phone okay uh yeah we didn't intentionally skip it just the show went on for like

Starting point is 00:23:02 i think it was like almost two and a half hours or something so we decided to bail um which i don't have anything to do tonight so let's rock out let's hang out let's do a four-hour stream um anyways ubiquity sues brian krebs uh on tuesday ubiquity fired a defam Tuesday filed a defamation lawsuit against brian krebs writer slash owner of krebs on security, which if you're into security, you've probably heard of, over his coverage of a data breach from 2021, which ended up being the work of a company insider. Pretty crazy. Apparently, the backstory is in January of 2021, Ubiquity disclosed a data breach that they said was minor and had occurred at a third party cloud provider at the end of March with information provided by in quotes,

Starting point is 00:23:48 a source who participated in the response, Krebs reported that the breach was much worse than what was disclosed. Then in December of 2021, the federal prosecutors indicted Nicholas Sharp, a senior developer and alleged member of the forensic investigation team, accusing him of causing the breach and extorting Ubiquity to pay a ransom of 25 Bitcoin to prevent the info from getting posted online. Krebs included in his December follow-up piece that prosecutors said that Sharp caused

Starting point is 00:24:20 false or misleading news stories to be published about the incident. Ubiquity takes issue with that particular piece. Interesting. They're filing hinges on their confidence that Sharp was Krebs' source for the original story, and that despite knowing this and not retracting the story, they say

Starting point is 00:24:37 Krebs affirmed defamatory statements. Yeesh. In December, Krebs defended his story, noting that the facts of the article, that it was more catastrophic than disclosed, are not in dispute. It's just now

Starting point is 00:24:54 known who's to blame for the breach. Also, Sharp has not been convicted. He referred to his original source as a Ubiquiti employee, and Sharp as a former Ubiquiti developer. Okay. Man.

Starting point is 00:25:13 On Twitter, criminal defense attorney and former computer scientist T. Greg Doucette considered it a slap lawsuit, which is a strategic lawsuit against public participation, and noted that the suit was filed in Virginia, a state without an anti-SLAPP statute. So here's the discussion question. Actually, there's a couple of discussion questions. The one that was put in by Jonathan Horst is, is a security breach caused by an insider less catastrophic than one caused by an outsider? To which I would answer no.

Starting point is 00:25:46 No, not at all not at all if anything it could be going on for much longer and go much deeper than you might otherwise uh than what otherwise might be possible if someone was coming in from the outside and discussion question number two is as members of the media who have at times needed to protect our sources for reporting, do we think it is okay for a tech company to sue a member of the media over what appears to be a situation where they suspect, suspect, but don't seem to be providing any incontrovertible proof that the source was the person who allegedly is responsible for the breach, but who hasn't actually been convicted. Um, I think that if ubiquity takes issue with this situation, the correct thing for them to do is to disclose everything that they know to Brian Krebs. Ask Brian, hey, does this change anything about your article? anything about your article and if the answer is no then they need to go back to the drawing board and figure out what they have incorrect about their facts if they're doing an internal investigation

Starting point is 00:27:13 instead of filing a lawsuit against him like it's it's yeah this is not this is not cool um yeah especially because like there's defamation and there's also kind of like when you subjectively look at things you can paint things in a in a better or worse way right yeah and if if ubiquity wanted to not get painted in a in a bad light for like the rest of ever this probably wasn't the way to go about this yeah like i i don't really get it did they think that you know people weren't going to notice that that people weren't going to talk about this yeah and the reality of it is that Ubiquity brought a lot of this on themselves by not correctly disclosing the severity of the breach in the first place. So, honestly, the way that this feels to me, and I'm choosing my words very carefully here, because the last thing I want to do is get sued by Ubiquity.

Starting point is 00:28:20 very carefully here, because the last thing I want to do is get sued by ubiquity. This feels to me like more of a vengeful move. Oh yeah. Then anything that's actually about finding the truth and protecting customers. Is that, do you kind of understand what I mean here? Like this,

Starting point is 00:28:41 this doesn't seem to be about moving forward in the best way possible this seems to be about punishing something that was done in the past jake just added a note saying that ubiquity is asking for 425 000 in damages so what damages right Because, you know, what should you owe in damages for not properly disclosing a breach? Like, it's just... Yeah. The correct thing to do is say, sorry, are bad, and then do better.

Starting point is 00:29:25 And the thing is, Ubiquity is generally okay about doing that. They've made mistakes. They've had some mulligans. That square AC access point that I bought way back in the day, and they knew it, and they mostly dealt with it with their community. I didn't get any benefit from their mitigations, and it never worked properly for me, which, you know, and maybe it was a partly emotional decision,

Starting point is 00:29:53 but it's one of the reasons that I went ruckus access points in my house. I've had great experiences with pretty much everything else from Ubiquity as far as products go. Everything else about my home network is Ubiquity. Almost everything at work is ubiquity uh with the exception of like uh we have that those dell 25 gig switches and stuff like that if i recall correctly but um you know i had that sour taste in my mouth over their access points and so you know you you know you guys know how to apologize and move on but i think that's um that kind of got lost here whether it's an ego issue or whether it's um some other kind of emotional issue

Starting point is 00:30:33 or whether this is just about you know getting back at whoever it was internally who who blew the whistle on this which i also don't think is cool. This was a big deal. People needed to know. I'm extremely unhappy with this whole situation. That's what I'm going to say. Now, to be clear,

Starting point is 00:30:59 that doesn't mean that Krebs is perfect. It could be that there's more to this story than meets the eye. I just, I hope, here's what I'll say, final word. I hope that when all the information from this case comes out, and this is my personal commitment, both Brian and Ubiquity, to follow this up. Okay?

Starting point is 00:31:29 If I forget, community, guys, hold me to this. I sincerely hope that when all of the details finally emerge, when this lawsuit is finalized, that there was a very good reason for them to go after after him yeah that's what i'll say because right now you know all we can do is you know all we can do is sniff all we can do is go how does this how does this smell it doesn't smell good right now yeah it smells bad yeah but like you mentioned we don't know everything we don't we really don't. But if there isn't a better reason than what we can see right now, this feels not great. So I'm hoping for the best.

Starting point is 00:32:14 Yeah. Because honestly, Ubiquiti is one of those companies that has come in and been extremely disruptive. A good disruptor. They've been an excellent disruptor in a network space that needed disruption. They're still... disruptive good good disruptor they've been an excellent disruptor in a network space that needed disruption there's still big heavy monolithic companies no service fees yeah there's no service fees to use their software and when when they were kind of popping off was when

Starting point is 00:32:37 was it i think it's cisco that owns meraki yep that like not to be a jerk but fairly predatory setup um not a fan of how meraki works um and that was right around the same time that ubiquity kind of came in and saved the day in that regard um especially for for smaller enterprise stuff that can't necessarily afford yeah or even just licenses small to medium business right like they are so i want to root for them because i love the product and overall i i love the mission that they are on but i'm really unhappy about the situation right now damages being thrown at a blogger yeah is okay moving on yeah Okay. Moving on. Yeah. What should we do next?

Starting point is 00:33:32 Elon Musk? $3 billion? Yeah. Want to do something else? No, let's just do it. So can I just... We're going to go backwards. I'm going to start with a little paragraph here that actually it's a few paragraphs anthony's discussion question segment of this wow this is long almost as long as his write-up for

Starting point is 00:33:54 for the event that took place i thought this was still notes about the event and i think he's done i think he's done a great job of outlining the issues here um you know what are the implications of twitter adding an edit button beyond just fixing typos And I think he's done a great job of outlining the issues here. You know, what are the implications of Twitter adding an edit button beyond just fixing typos is one. We'll talk about that later. But here we get into things that get a little spicier. So this is Anthony, okay? This is not me.

Starting point is 00:34:18 I'm not taking a stance. No hot takes this week, okay? Anthony says, Is the expectation that free speech will be enforced on Twitter going to make the platform a better place? Anthony says, Twitter is a platform owned by private individuals. If people feel strongly about free speech on it,

Starting point is 00:34:35 it should be nationalized and made a public utility instead, paid for with taxpayer dollars. That's how private versus public property works, both in freedom of speech and how it's paid for well sort of unless the private individuals want freedom of speech to be upheld on the platform right but then that's up to them yeah but freedom of speech is a right not a discretionary decision made by the private owners of a whatever well it can be because if it's a private establishment like you're saying you you you don't have the right

Starting point is 00:35:07 to freedom of speech right right but the private owners of the establishment can discretionarily choose to enforce that same standard sure but i think that when when people talk about freedom of speech particularly in america they're talking about the constitutional right i understand and so to me you have to draw a line between discretionary freedom of speech and constitutional freedom of speech. And Anthony's not wrong. The constitutional kind takes place in public spaces. In public spaces, yeah. And I mean, specifically speaking out against the government.

Starting point is 00:35:39 But like, that's a whole separate conversation. There are actually things you can't say. Okay. Next question. separate conversation there are actually things you can't say um okay next question is it a good thing that a single person can easily take admittedly incomplete but such a degree of control over virtually anything he likes with few repercussions i'm adding a little bit of my own spice here especially when this person has a history of participating in... He can't be taxed more than he is because he needs that money to get us to Mars.

Starting point is 00:36:11 Participating in... That's what he's going to use the money for. He's not going to use it for buying Twitter. He's not going to use it for buying other stuff. He needs it to get to Mars. Participating in Russia-style revisionist history. He calls himself the founder of Tesla. Does he? Yeah. style revisionist history he calls himself the founder of tesla does he yeah he literally sued the founders for the title of founder hela okay no no he didn't i did not know that was a thing

Starting point is 00:36:50 like that seems so weird but okay uh anthony says now these are anthony's words now musk already has more money than he knows what to do with and has repeatedly shown that he doesn't care to use it for selfless purposes. This heavily implies it's not an ideological freedom or benevolent move, and even if it were, it's motivated by opposing biases, not neutrality. Finally, Anthony asks, why is Elon Musk seen as a savior to so many people?

Starting point is 00:37:23 And he says, when people feel helpless they look to someone powerful who can help powerful people however are dangerous musk may represent what people want today but when his views don't align there will be literal there will be little to stop him from unilaterally imposing them anyway if his minority share grows or he could just pump and dump like usual either or can you tell i'm not a fan yeah a little bit especially could be answered every single question that he asked he did extremely thoroughly um yeah i don't know i uh the the guy has a lot of money there's extreme amounts of money yeah and on our current systems that means that you can do extreme amounts of things extreme amounts of money. Yeah. And on our current systems, that means that you can do extreme amounts of things.

Starting point is 00:38:05 Extreme amounts of just about anything you want. I mean, honestly, now we're getting, okay, crap, I'm gonna go hot take here. Nice. I think we need to choose our male role models better. Okay. Frankly. I immediately lose respect for a man who does not take care of his family.

Starting point is 00:38:30 That simple. And I think that there's a lot of discussion right now in the world about, you know, what is masculinity, right? Does he not take care of his family? A lot of discussion around toxic masculinity. A lot of discussion around, you um a lot of discussion around like what that is you know what that means or whatever and i'm not getting into any of that but i think men or women or anywhere in between um if you can't be trusted to take care of your own flesh and blood and the people that you make commitments to um then how can you be trusted in anything does does he i don't so follow an example an example is the way that people you

Starting point is 00:39:16 know idolize someone like steve jobs okay who yep there's some there's some i know about that stuff i don't know about elon but there are some nasty oh yeah skeletons in that closet and i just sit here and i go i'm sorry why should i respect you amazing movie he still doesn't watch it i've been trying to get him to watch it for a decade i know i totally need a decade i totally need to amazing movie though if you want to hear about some of that stuff um but yeah okay yeah i agree with that one yeah one does this apply to Elon? I don't know so I forget the details hold on a second no there's some spicy stuff there

Starting point is 00:39:51 oh oh oh Elon Musk first wife here we go wasn't that a long time ago? I was a starter wife inside America's messiest divorce first hit oh boy I was a starter wife inside America's messiest divorce. First hits. Oh boy.

Starting point is 00:40:09 So he did. He was with her from 2000 until 2008, I believe. So anyway, the point is, yeah, I think we need to choose our role models better in general. In float plane chat, Laddy has an excellent summary

Starting point is 00:40:29 of why we just shouldn't take this guy seriously. Again, someone else's words. Okay, I'm just repeating them. Constantly lies about charity for self-promotion, lies about his products and capabilities, and is unethical about his treatment of employees. He's toxic as hell. What does he lied about in in a in a charity sense uh i'm not sure that's why i said someone else's words i'm i'm totally okay with doesn't oh yeah values free speech like a

Starting point is 00:40:56 lot but doesn't value transparency at all you know about the whole thing where tesla literally doesn't have a press relations department it got inconvenient to answer questions like hey why have you uh massaged the numbers with respect to the safety of your autonomous driving technology um and so they just dissolved it they just don't answer they just don't answer hey uh couldn't help noticing that you guys like literally like glued this in or you're using like a piece of wood here instead of what you're supposed to be using okay we're just not going to answer emails anymore like it's actually just i i have a very difficult time i have a very difficult yeah also pumped dogecoin

Starting point is 00:41:37 um yep yeah yeah that that whole i mean yeah do we have to i i yeah i'm all i'm trying to do is make sure that things we're saying on this show is back up Yeah, that whole... I mean, yeah, do we have to... Yeah. All I'm trying to do is make sure that things we're saying on this show is backed up. Laddy says he recently lied about providing Starlink to Ukraine. The US government funded most of it and he claimed it was all his charity. Or at the very least, didn't provide the full context. Yeah, I don't think he claimed it was all his charity. No, but I mean, the tweet was like...

Starting point is 00:42:05 You would assume. You would assume. Yeah. I'm just trying to make sure the stuff we say is backed up. Yeah, so maybe lied is actually definitely the wrong word, but allowing people to assume things, especially when you're someone who knows social media as well as Musk does,

Starting point is 00:42:21 fundamentally to me, it's not that different. Knock23 says, Doge is still the best. right duly noted duly noted um yeah the bit man says i do not respect steve jobs at all personally and the stuff in his personal life is disgusting to say the least that being said people respect him for his vision um do you have thoughts about picking and choosing what aspects of a person you want to respect and look up to? You know what? The problem with that is that you end up whitewashing, for lack of a better word, you end up whitewashing these people

Starting point is 00:43:00 and allowing them to continue to exist in this position of power and respect when frankly i i would rather we just see them for what they are i don't know i mean it's it's an interesting question would we be better off with the billionaires we have or would we be better off taking people that have actually come from nothing handing them the billions of dollars and letting them decide what to do with it i think effectively infinite money is going to corrupt the majority of people sure but maybe we'd be maybe we'd be better off if they at least spent some time outside of the ivory tower there's no there's no functional way to do that though i know i know yeah well i don't know the french kind of figured it out

Starting point is 00:43:48 okay maybe there's been a hot take today there's been a lot of chat about that um but no action um i i don't know it's it's a it's a weird thing to say that someone isn't allowed to invest in companies anymore. It's a pretty ham-fisted response to modern capitalism, but I'm not necessarily sure how to do it. I'm excited that he pushed for the edit tweet option. Realistically, they were working on it already. They had already been working on it. Well, I mean, it's not like this is a new idea. It's fascinating to me that they weren't done in a week um like apparently they've been working on it for like over a year and that's just actually like i mean that's extremely interesting at the

Starting point is 00:44:34 scale twitter operates uh nah shouldn't matter well hold on a second because okay okay here i'm gonna play devil's advocate okay part of Okay. Part of Twitter's deal is that because you can't edit anything, it's either there or you delete it, it exists in this binary state. I mean, there's no real thing. Deleting it is not real, though. Sure, but the point is that from a public standpoint, it's permanent. Yeah. permanent right if it goes up at all it's permanent because people people have scrapers and people so i would i would guess that in order to implement editing

Starting point is 00:45:17 in a way that still has the integrity of that permanence of the platform very easy facebook already did it just copy them i'm just saying it might be you can literally see revision history and there's a very obvious like this post has been edited like very obvious and you like highlight over that and it shows revision history it's like extremely clear been done by other people the blueprints have been made for you just copy no one is expecting you to come up with the world's most original edit function just do it it's like actually pathetic that they haven't done it yet and twitter is a terrible platform and i'm happy that more people are hating on it because it's trash all right okay that's fair that's it um

Starting point is 00:46:01 oh we should probably also bring up that Musk didn't disclose his stake in Twitter or the fact that he intended for it to be an active stake, which means that essentially he was able to stealthily acquire the shares without driving up the price because a high-profile person like him coming in and taking such a large stake would have driven up the price, which is why there are disclosure timelines and there are laws around that so i just we can just put throw it on the pile of him just it who's in it for himself only um yeah i don't know i'm just i'm at the point now where i i just can't i can't yeah i can't pretend that he's anything

Starting point is 00:46:47 Other than I think he's a very public version of that I think there's an extreme amount of these People in for sure oh I don't Think he's an exception at all and I think he Catches a lot of flack just because he talks Publicly more than a lot of the other ones But he's just more shameless

Starting point is 00:47:03 Which is just I don't know if that's worse Or better like do you think bezos is better probably not we talk about elon significantly more yeah that's true um i i think i mean we talk about bezos a fair bit on like techlington stuff though just because he's in this industry he even has he even has like a nickname we call him daddy bezos yeah that's generally a positive thing oh no it's not yeah sugar daddy is not a positive connotation mr lefreniere i think if most people called a straw poll i think if most people called an adult male daddy that's a that's seen as like a wow nice you're doing good you're probably attractive and wealthy. Damn.

Starting point is 00:47:49 I think that's what's going on. I think that's where the internet's at. I think you are going to be so wrong on this one. Petition to call Linus daddy from now on? You know what's funny is Jake said it so that the greeting when i scan the ubiquity thing is actually papa yeah but he's doing that ironically because that's like i think he's i think he's using it in a pejorative manner okay so guys let us know let us know alright man Musk I've like I haven't just come out and been like yeah

Starting point is 00:48:28 guy's a douchebag up until now because it's not really great in my position just like issuing personal insults to giant figures in industries that I will have to you know cover in the future but he's just got

Starting point is 00:48:44 such a long track record of just being a complete ass face now that I just, I don't think there's any hope of rehabilitation. So what do I, eventually I was going to have to take a stand on it. I respect that he's found a way to make industry in certain areas that are hopefully positive for the world um and i respect that he did in a capitalistic way i don't respect how much money he takes from those things um and

Starting point is 00:49:15 i don't respect the way he like treats his workers and stuff like that yeah i have no idea about that you were talking about the like uh family stuff i know nothing about that i don't know anything about the charity things uh i don't know any of that kind of stuff okay whatever you guys yeah uh by the way get wrecked that is welcome to the internet bull by the way there is no way there is no way no way That's what's up No that's not real Straphole is flawless there's no problem with it That is broken 100%

Starting point is 00:49:53 I am refreshing the page No it didn't even register any more votes Yeah cause Straphole is flawless okay There's never been a problem with Straphole I don't believe this I literally cannot believe this you believe whatever you want to float planes like no i voted no i voted negative no way too bad 100% yeah yeah a crane says daddy is a sexualized term buddy yeah exactly yeah and no

Starting point is 00:50:18 sexualized term in the history of man has ever been a positive thing. Daddy? Daddy is creepy. Okay? Daddy's creepy. Oh, so you're calling your employees creepy now? What? No! Because they call Daddy Bezos? No, I'm calling Bezos creepy.

Starting point is 00:50:34 He's like, he's Daddy Bezos. He's like, watching you through your ring freaking doorbell. He's not. He's not. He's not. He doesn't watch you through your doorbell. No, you go into a room in his house, and it's just monitors everywhere. Everyone's doorbell like he's not he's not he's not he doesn't watch you through your doorbell no it's you go into a room in his house and it's just monitors everywhere the floor the ceiling

Starting point is 00:50:50 all the walls just every single person's they're all covered in samsung the wall displays oh my goodness 100 baby let's go. So stupid. There's no way. We need to get our own polling system at some point. Yeah. Because what is up with straw polls? It's just sucking now. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:11 It's just not counting tons of votes. It's whatever. I'm still going to take the win because why not? But it's definitely not counting all the votes. All right. Should we? Oh, we should do our. Let's do our sponsors.

Starting point is 00:51:24 Oh, we should do some merch messages. Holy crap. There's got to be so many because people are picking up the LTT store dot co-op shirt. I'm sure. There's a few. Oh, we sold a few. Thank you to everybody. Thank you.

Starting point is 00:51:43 All right. Here, this is so funny uh i don't know if you guys are gonna be able to see this from here but uh sales line go up you guys are ridiculous we're trying to go as fast as possible but it was like 200 orders or something like that all of a sudden that's swarming us okay for those of you who are tuning in late, we're doing a special edition, lttstore.com.com. Depends on how you look at it, which colors you look at,

Starting point is 00:52:12 to celebrate being one of, two of, actually, the top edited pixels on r slash place this year. It was pretty exciting. It's going to be a limited edition shirt. They're only for sale this weekend, so get your orders in if you want to get one. what am i supposed to be looking at right yeah let's do a

Starting point is 00:52:29 couple of curated merch messages adam says what was the ultimate fate of the mineral oil pc sorry what you should have oh right right sorry um bell you're supposed to read them i'll finish this one but then you're up sorry sorry sorry i've been watching since the original build log in 2014. I personally hope it's on a display shelf as it deserves. I believe we ended up actually giving away the skeleton of it and the guts eventually died. That makes sense. That's where we're at on that. What else we got?

Starting point is 00:53:00 What product, computer hardware, peripherals, or consoles, or game launch have you both been most excited about over the years? And that's from Dawson. Woo! Halo 2. Excited? Really? Yeah, the Halo 2 launch was probably one of the most fun times I've had.

Starting point is 00:53:16 I remember we were lined up. We're at Willowbrook Mall and EB Games back then. I think it has had a name change. and EB Games back then. I think it has had a name change. But EB Games back then, we were lined up at the back where the truck would load EB Games. There was all these people lined up. These dudes drove a truck up, and they had a generator in the back and an old CRT

Starting point is 00:53:37 and an original Xbox, and they were playing Halo 1, and people were able to cycle in and play. An EB Games employee came out and started yelling out questions and I knew all the answers to all the questions so I won a bunch of stuff because I read the PC Gamer article or whatever. Everyone was just broing out, having fun, talking about Halo.

Starting point is 00:53:54 Yeah, Halo 2 or potentially Burning Crusade. But both of them, this said launch and both of them, the reason why i liked them so much was the lineup which you never really have anymore because everyone just buys things online but but lining up midnight launches were so much fun i enjoyed the we launch lineup so much i did it twice yvonne and i did it together and it's you know what it's's cool. It's fun. Okay. Crazy pitch guys. As a date, go to,

Starting point is 00:54:27 it doesn't even matter what it is, but like go to a midnight screening or a product, like a major product launch and like line up and camp out and hang out. You'll, you'll probably find people to play Pokemon with or like, absolutely. Absolutely. It's an experience worth having.

Starting point is 00:54:44 And it was in december so it was like snowing we're lined up and outside toys r us we did uh best buy i think it was future shop back then wow yeah we did we did either future shop or best buy whatever it was and we also did toys r us and i i think one of the reasons is and we talked about this on the show before passion is very interesting and one of the things you're going to run into in those lineups is often a lot of people that are very passionate are very interested in a lot of the same things you are so conversation is often very interesting a lot of people will go to pretty extreme lengths like i was talking about with the guys about the truck like to to make sure that it's like kind of fun for everyone around like i used to love

Starting point is 00:55:20 midnight game launches i would be more interested in certain games if I knew that like EB or a local store was going to have a midnight launch. I would be like, ooh, maybe I'll get it. Maybe I'll look into this game more because I knew they were going to have a launch. It was fun. It's hard for me to compare any kind of excitement I could have for something

Starting point is 00:55:39 as an adult to the kind of excitement that I had when I was a child waiting for the super nintendo that was my christmas present it was the only thing that i asked for for christmas i was like i don't care about anything else may i have a super nintendo and um i i think i've told the story of the drama that went on around that, where my aunt's house actually got robbed, and my Super Nintendo got stolen moments before Christmas, and she had to buy a new one from a scalper so that I'd have something to open up on Christmas morning.

Starting point is 00:56:16 So I didn't get the two-controller Super Mario World bundle. I got it with just the one controller, so I had to wait until I could get my hands on another controller to play two player. But I don't think anything can compare. It was 1994, right? I was eight years old. Like nothing compares to that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:35 Or 95. So I was nine. So I was specifically going with launches. If we're going with like the first time I got something. Well, that was a launch. Like it was that launch. Okay. So it like launched and i was like yeah you know like it's different it hits different oh it absolutely does that i remember i don't two times that i have definitely cried

Starting point is 00:56:58 in my lifespan were when we first got an n64 and when we first got an N64, and when we first got an Xbox. Those weren't launches. That is some pathetic gamer shit right there. And I'm pretty sure my brother did too, and it's totally okay. I remember with the Xbox one, my dad convinced us that he had bought my mom a crystal ball. I don't know why I didn't question why that would have been a thing, but I was just like, whatever, sounds good. And it was in this big box in the middle. And my mom didn't know that my dad did this. No one else knew that my dad told us this. Right. So my mom was like trying to get us

Starting point is 00:57:33 to open it because she's really excited for us to get it. But my dad told us like, you can't let her open it because like, this needs to be the last thing because it's like the really cool thing right so we were fighting my mom to not open this present and we thought when we went to go open it we thought it was for mom so like my brother takes one side and i take the other side and we lift it off the top and my dad's already like unboxed everything and laid it out in like this really cool way um so we lift the top up and my family's just like that's for you but we're looking at my mom so we don't realize until we look down and it was just it was very cool yeah did your parents ever pull the um the like the misleading rapping gag on you guys oh yeah yeah okay i i forget what it was my parents absolutely pulled it on me

Starting point is 00:58:26 um this is totally unrelated but definitely a funny story that i want to immortalize did you ever get scammed on april fool's day on a non-school day i don't think so my dad pulled it on me when I was a young boy. He got me up on a Saturday at 7.15 in the morning. He goes, get ready for school. Come on, let's go. We made it as far as being fully clothed, backpack on, like almost to the school. He goes, it's Saturday.

Starting point is 00:59:01 April fools. It's Saturday. April Fools! My girls got my boy. Oh, really? So it was easier than usual because their school happened to have April Fools off for parent conferences. Okay.

Starting point is 00:59:20 So it wasn't a Saturday. It was a weekday. Yeah, yeah. It was a weekday. They go in, they start miming getting their their clothes on and everything and they're like let's go he got as far as walking out the front door to go get the the carpool uh the the kid that we carpool with to come to come over because he was late and they run out and they're like oh that's fantastic and my when i came home because i didn't even know about it when i came home my daughter thought the most hilarious thing about it was that she was now on wait you didn't

Starting point is 01:00:00 organize this no she was well into her second day of having not worn anything but pajamas and she had made him get dressed. Oh, I thought it was amazing. I thought it was amazing. I loved it. That's funny. All right, what else we got? So this is from Pierce,

Starting point is 01:00:21 but also a few other people have asked if you have a braces update. Okay. Dr. Y, love you. You did a terrible job of the braces. I told you you were doing a terrible job while you were doing it. I told you specifically what about it was terrible and how it was going to fail. You insisted on doing it that way. I told you, you might as well book my follow

Starting point is 01:00:54 up now because they will need to be fixed. They immediately broke within two days in exactly the way that I said that they would break, I came back and got them fixed. I said, this is going to happen again. It will happen immediately, and here's why. And you did it again. So I literally took a pair of needle-nose pliers after two or three of them had broken off again, the brackets. I ripped them all off. And I said,

Starting point is 01:01:25 I'm going to a different, I'm going to a different doctor. Uh, I went to an orthodontic clinic, um, near the office. Cause I figured that would be convenient. So I could jet over there during work and come back like on my lunch. And I got a quotation for both train tracks and Invisalign. They were actually not as different as I expected. So I figured, okay, I'm going to and Invisalign. They were actually not as different as I expected. So I figured, okay, I'm going to do Invisalign. I told them that. And they said, okay, we'd be happy to do Invisalign on you, but we couldn't help noticing that your top wisdom teeth are still in.

Starting point is 01:01:57 The way that your mouth is right now, because you've had your bottoms out because they kept getting infected, but I didn't do the tops because I didn't want to do them all at once. I was like, oh, my whole face is gonna be like um and i had such an awful experience getting the bottom ones out i will never forget the sound it made because they were like deep like full proper teeth and they were like buried by gum they had to like really get in there and like oh i'll never'll never forget that feeling. I'm one of those people where the pain at the dentist isn't what really bothers me as much. Um, I,

Starting point is 01:02:31 I tend to be kind of, I think the term is sensory defensive. Um, so certain textures, certain sounds, um, I actually find the, for years, this is hilarious. I went through many cavities, For years, this is hilarious, I went through many cavities, some without anesthetic, like for shallow ones. I went through many cavities not realizing that the dentist drill is the one for emptying out the cavity. I thought the dentist drill was the rotary toothbrush that they use. Because everyone says they hate the dentist drill and i fucking hate that thing like it makes my skin crawl even as an even as a 30 something adult man i am sitting there in the chair the dentist is like talking to me i have my hands clenched around something i usually have my feet crossed without thinking about it and i have my eyes closed while they're working on me with that thing brace because it is so unpleasant yeah

Starting point is 01:03:30 um and so that that sound no they did not knock me out those of you asking i don't want to risk going under general anesthetic for such a minor procedure it's not worth it for me personally that is my personal decision um you you can go under general and not wake up like that that's a thing uh and i was not into that so um anyway what was i saying right so the orthodontist comes back to me and goes yeah so what happens then is your top wisdom teeth are not biting down on anything which means that they can shift now i would make the argument to them but the way the gums have covered and the amount the tops have come down they're probably not going to keep falling but that can happen

Starting point is 01:04:17 and if that happens it'll shift all the teeth again and so they don't want to do orthodontic work on me until i get my wisdoms out. Makes sense. And I just keep putting it off and putting it off and putting it off. Yeah. Are you going to do it? I want to.

Starting point is 01:04:38 If you look at the bottoms, it's getting kind of nasty and it's getting worse, like the way they're just like crowding up together. And particularly now that I have some more room here, maybe they can kind of fix that. And this is with disking. That was one of the most unpleasant sensory experiences

Starting point is 01:04:56 that I have ever had. Do you know what disking is? No. Disking, so if you look at the shape of my bottom teeth. All right, gosh. Yeah. Yeah, they have kind of like a a v shape and so uh disking is trying to salvage back some of the space between those teeth by doing what

Starting point is 01:05:13 it sounds like putting discs taking a rotary tool and shaving in between them so not only was there the unpleasantness of that sensation but there was the fear that a slip of what is essentially a dremel tool in your mouth could be pretty awful yeah um everyone's saying top wisdom teeth aren't as bad i know i know that it's less likely to get infected because stuff doesn't like fall into it and stuff and stuff and stuff but i uh i just i just hated it the only good thing about getting my wisdom teeth out was that i finally bought a switch because i was told that i would be doing nothing but sitting and drinking liquids for days so i might as well get settled and i was like you know what I'm finally gonna get a switch I did and I got completely sucked into a Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild which I still have no regrets about

Starting point is 01:06:12 even though Nintendo is an awful awful anti-consumer company that I should feel bad about giving money to yeah uh all right hit me up with one more from dennis i think i've been watching for over 10 years at this point remember my first video being you walking around outside with a monitor and opening it on a random table what's your most memorable moment of ltd holy crap you know it's not the first time i've been asked that um wow but it's it gets harder every time like i was watching uh i was trying to find some clip for some reason and i pulled up the wrong video what turned out to be the wrong video and i watched the intro of it and it was it was like a three and a half year old video by this point so it was it was completely fresh and it was a video about the um i forget what it's called the key mouse the key mouse so it's a

Starting point is 01:07:12 keyboard that has mouse sensors so you can type and mouse without ever actually lifting your hands off of it and uh james was the writer for it and we did this we did this goofy sketch at the beginning where colton is playing the role of this presenter who's pitching who's pitching a product in a business meeting here i might as well just bring it up uh i don't think we have my audio fixed uh key mouse l whatever ltd yeah here we go i don't think we have my audio fixed but that's fine we'll just uh tokyo japan here it is here it is um so what we did is we envisioned the pitch meeting and we actually had um we had the we had the voices dubbed over in japanese and then we subtitled our own our own video and so it's just this stupid pitch uh of him being like so so that's good but

Starting point is 01:08:18 what are we gonna call it and i believe it's a female voice for colton's like mental uh and so it's in japanese oh my god uh anyway um i guess what i'm trying to say is over the years we've done so many things that i i didn't even remember doing this i watched i i burst out laughing just watching this i was like that was so freaking funny uh i don't know we use the conference room all the time aiden we use it like if anything we don't have enough conference room these days yeah we use it all the time it is more used now than ever. I don't know. There's been a lot of stuff. Like there's milestones, right?

Starting point is 01:09:11 You know, a million subscribers or the first time we got a YouTube rep or... A million subscribers is pretty sick. You know, the new office, like... I remember how pissed I was. I told you this story too. We were at PAX. This was one of the first, maybe it was actually the first.

Starting point is 01:09:24 No, I don't know. Maybe it was the second second pax but it was at a very early pax back when i used to do the indie mega booth yeah and there was this guy in the indie mega booth and i was i was going around talking to people about their games and stuff because i was trying to figure out if i was going to do another indie mega booth video um and he was like sorry who are you and i was like oh we're this like tech channel we have almost a million subscribers and he was like oh well if you cover my game maybe i'll get to a million and i was the you know me the amount of immediate rage was like very high and i was just like, no, there is no way I am covering your crappy game. So hitting that first 1 million milestone, I remember thinking back to that dude and just being like, well, you, dude. We made it without you.

Starting point is 01:10:20 There's been so many moments. Some of them are remembering how hard it was and how hard we worked, like that first CES when I had to fight so hard just to get a meeting with anybody. And then there's the ones like on the trip to Intel, I think I talked about this, and Tel Aviv, having literally 25, 30, 40, I don't know, it was like a crowd of people that had apparently all been messaging throughout

Starting point is 01:10:47 the day that they wanted to have like a photo op and and take selfies with me and my handlers kept being like like they he actually has to make a video like video first video first they finally come to me they're like look uh the dam's gonna burst here at some point like we have to we have to do something are you okay doing that? I'm like, you guys didn't even ask me. Yeah, I'm totally down. And the experience,

Starting point is 01:11:11 the experience of walking out there with people who are so smart that they are building the most advanced products, designing the most advanced products on the planet. And they're like a fan of me. Like, you know, by comparison, I feel like I'm pretty smart smart i'm good at some stuff but the amount of respect that i have for what they do and they're like they're like oh can i get a picture of the oh this is so exciting i'm like guys chill you're

Starting point is 01:11:39 the ones doing the cool stuff right like how how mind blowing that is for me as an experience, right? Where I talk to people that I'm like, and they're like, oh, Linus, you're super cool. I'm like, no, I'm not, you know? Like, I just, there's, there's just been, it's just countless, you know? This has been a wild run, you guys. And, you know, I'm reminded of bittersweet moments, right? Like the 10 million subscriber stream. That wasn't an easy thing for me to say, but it was also cathartic. And it was, it was, I still go back and read comments on it just to, just to see your guys' support and how much what we're doing means to you, you know?

Starting point is 01:12:20 It's, it's hard to distill it down to one moment. I don't think I can. Yeah, fair enough um yeah i don't think i can i i was reminded of highlander which by the way we didn't talk about it on wanshow yet somebody beat it oh really yeah you go to alaska our guinness world record no longer stands wait so it must have been continental united states we'll uh we'll we'll pull it up but i i wanted to i i i thought i sent our Guinness world record no longer stands. Wait, so it must've been continental United States. We'll, uh, we'll,

Starting point is 01:12:45 we'll pull it up, but I, I wanted to, I, I, I thought I sent it to Riley. I'm going to check my scent. I'll check my scent to Riley.

Starting point is 01:12:53 Cause I want to talk about it, but Highlander is no longer the world's highest elevation land party. And these guys went, they went hard. They like trained for months. they went much higher than we did oh so yeah it must not be continental united states then i'll i'll check i'll check um here's the context which to be clear doesn't diminish it at all land show lol how does this i think this is it I think this is it

Starting point is 01:13:25 oh wait no this is not it ah damn it yep I'll find it I'll find it do you want to do a sponsor spot in the meantime sure thanks to ShipStation for sponsoring today's Wanshow the new year's off to a solid start but things aren't getting any less crazy between

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Starting point is 01:14:43 Here it is. Ooh. Kilimanjaro. Okay okay that's pretty sweet like i said these guys fuck all right that's awesome that's cool uh so let's uh the group goes by the name strike team alpha they clearly clearly had us in their radar because there's just like no other reason to try to set a record for highest altitude land party on land right like we man we had to fight with guinness to even get this to be a record because it didn't exist before we decided this should be a thing that you can set a record for it's kind exist before we decided this should be a thing that you can set a record for it's kind of cool that someone carried the torch forward it is i'm kind of

Starting point is 01:15:30 happy that we like lost it that's cool i love it so uh their elevation was 5894 meters here they are laptops in hand yeah all right um strike team alpha trained for hold on a second months where where does it say how many months they trained for preparation here we go preparation for the attempt began in june of 2021 with an hour of physical training per day eventually increasing to up to eight plus hours they hosted a number of practice land parties in cold rooms and meat lockers to replicate the cold temperatures of the altitude they hope to reach hosted a number of practice land parties in cold rooms and meat lockers to replicate the cold temperatures of the altitude they hoped to reach. As a result of their dedicated

Starting point is 01:16:09 preparation and planning, everything went to plan on the day of the attempt. Most climbers would reach Uhuru Peak and take 15 to 30 minutes of rest before returning to base camp. The group had to stay there for four plus hours setting up tents to help endure the cold, their equipment hosting

Starting point is 01:16:25 the land party and gathering their evidence for the record they then had to hike 12 hours back to base camp while tired and hungry with added breathing difficulties on top of that is that amazing or what that is awesome how hard did these guys go to absolutely annihilate our record? That's fantastic. This is amazing. They've been landing since 2012 and just massive respect. The only thing that I'm upset about here is that it took me four months to see this and be like, yo guys, you rock. You know games are in a bad state

Starting point is 01:17:07 when you have a group of people that have been landing since 2012 and they're like you know it'd be a good idea playing some cs 1.6 spend spending eight hours a day training to climb a mountain instead of playing video games i love it i also love how neckbeard um these guys are it's amazing the guy on the far left is like down to here you know it might be a good idea for what they're doing if it's that cold 100 i absolutely love it so i man i'm stoked so people like, land party in outer space when? No, no. So that was actually one of the things that allowed, or that we were able to lean on to convince Guinness

Starting point is 01:17:51 to allow us to make it a world record because they were like, well, this is just stupid because anyone could just play computer games on a plane. And we were like, no, no, it has to be on land. So we were actually like scaling a peak

Starting point is 01:18:03 in order to do, we had to explain what a land party was and stuff right so yeah i'm i'm always going to be proud of us for establishing this as a category i'm super proud of these guys for taking it to the next level yeah figuratively and literally and i'm excited to see the next challenge if the if you guys have any any video or anything we'd love for you to send it over so we could show it on, uh, on WAN show or something like that.

Starting point is 01:18:29 Maybe have you guys on so you can talk about the experience. Uh, the way to get in touch with us is linus tech tips at gmail.com. We want to hear from you. So, um, I'm not even going to try to pronounce your names. Unfortunately,

Starting point is 01:18:42 these are challenging, um, for my, for my English tongue here, but, um, we'd love to, we'd love to have you guys on and talk about it. Super excited. All right. We should do a few more merch messages because I feel like these are really piling up I am surprised to Find out And inform you I'm surprised to discover And pleased to inform you

Starting point is 01:19:10 That 461 people Will be proudly wearing LTTstore.com on the front of their chest In the near future Oh that's amazing You guys are ridiculous You guys are absolutely ridiculous. And calm.

Starting point is 01:19:26 It's a little bit of both. Yeah, a little bit of both. Okay, yeah, let's do a merch message and maybe another main topic here. Chase asks, finally been waiting for this. I just got my first 3D printer and I'm wondering how you guys

Starting point is 01:19:39 integrate 3D printing into your workflow. Good Lord, there's a lot of ways. We've 3D printed everything from holders for CPUs and SD cards just to make them more convenient to organize and keep track of to 3D printing replacement IO shields and PCI brackets for devices that otherwise we wouldn't be able to secure to a chassis, to making toys for my kids.

Starting point is 01:20:03 I mean, what do we not use a 3D printer for at this point? I mean, prototyping products for LTT Store. We've used it extensively for that. Yeah, they're great. Love 3D printers. Lots of holders. I think that's probably the main thing. Lots of holders. You mentioned holders, but like just lots and lots printers lots of holders i think that's probably the main thing lots of holders you mentioned holders but like just lots and lots and lots of uh i i didn't have uh i didn't have

Starting point is 01:20:31 back covers for my game gear so jake uh i think he found and then tweaked a design and printed some some back covers for my game gear so the batteries wouldn't fall out like yeah they're just they're great they're great let's oh sure one more cooper asks uh what the upgrade do you think provide the best reward for effort and cost in your new home upgrade series the stairs honestly not having those stairs there was just so boneheaded i don't know why the previous owners didn't do it yeah it's a little weird yeah like the fact that there was obviously supposed to be a staircase there and it just wasn't there was super stupid uh i shouldn't say stupid i understand why they didn't do it because they didn't finish that side so i guess they figured well why bother

Starting point is 01:21:21 having stairs there but obviously you're never gonna finish it if you don't put stairs there yeah so yeah i'm super excited about the stairs i'm i don't know if it's practical i don't remember if practical was part of the question but i'm super jazzed to use computer and server heat to dump into the swimming pool that's going to be awesome you're doing solar heat as well that too yeah. They're both going to just dump into the pool, which is crazy and amazing. That's sweet. Yeah. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:21:51 I think it's just, Oh, Oh, I saw the projector for the first time today. Okay. What's it called? LS 1200 something Epson's new projector. Oh, LS 12,000 from from epson it's five grand us which is still a lot of money better than the wall but the image quality of this thing

Starting point is 01:22:17 it's laser backlit lcd so there's no um there's no rainbow effect the backlight is crazy strong for a light controlled room it hits 2700 lumens it does up to 4k 120 with like okay it's noticeable i can detect it most people on earth would not detect the input leg So the gaming experience on this thing is going to be flippin' amazing. I'm just, I'm excited. And the thing I'm most excited about is that to get this level of performance, if we'd done this even a year ago, would have cost closer to 20, 25 grand.

Starting point is 01:22:58 So yes, that's a lot of money. But compared to what it would have been? I'm just happy you didn't get the wall. I excited yeah it would have been so stupid compared to this yeah like so stupid i'm so glad i didn't do it that's actually what we went for with title thumbnail and appetizer of the video was uh like jake was right essentially he tried to talk me out of it too yeah yeah okay back to topics yeah let's do let's do a discussion topic here shall we sure is there any that we like need to get through uh i think we didn't talk about the sony game pass competition last week we could do the great intel patent kerfuffle there's no notes for this. Yeah, there's no notes,

Starting point is 01:23:45 because honestly, it's sort of, it's one of those things that's kind of a nothing story, and it's all like kind of on purpose. Underfox came out afterward and said, yeah, this was kind of a social experiment, but basically in a nutshell, Underfox posted this thread. Since the beginning of 2018,

Starting point is 01:24:01 I've been following the work of the Hillsborough team at Intel, looking forward to having access to the first patent of the disruptive new architecture that was being developed. In 2019, this patent was finally published. Upon analyzing it, I was shocked by what I saw and certain that the patent would never be granted in the state in which it was presented, because if you look at many of the diagrams

Starting point is 01:24:21 in the patent application, they are literally block for block copies of amd's zen micro architecture presentation from august 2016 all right all right that's pretty fantastic like literally word for word and it goes on and on and on and someone just went through the zen micro architecture presentation and recreated these diagrams arrow for arrow box for box text for text in some cases and what ultimately happened is and intel has actually responded to this and underfox has come out and said yes i understood this dr ian Cutress had a look at it and was like, okay, this is actually not as crazy as it seems. I responded because this was flagged to me,

Starting point is 01:25:35 where I basically went, whoa, this is so brazen. I'm having a hard time believing it's real. And he kind of goes, okay, hold on a second here have a look at this here's the actual patent it's a patent for something unrelated and those amd slides were used as an example of existing cpu micro architecture that intel's actual thing that they are patenting could be applied to why intel used an amd cpu architecture deck instead of their own um is perhaps a deeper question dr cutress's take is an intern's summer project oh okay said intern took generic cpu architecture slides and ended up with amd actual patent covers some minor thing to do with security and monitoring so it could just be that like someone whether for the lulls or out of ignorance or carelessness or laziness or i don't know whatever the reason was they applied for an intel patent using a bunch

Starting point is 01:26:46 of amd drawings and it's not a big deal and it's okay but there was certainly a small blow up on the internet when these slides and diagrams were first brought up and compared against each other were first brought up and compared against each other. So I just thought, I thought it was funny, and I wanted to talk about it. Oh, we need to talk about AMD accidentally giving you more gigahertz for free. The original article here, or at least the article we're citing, is from Tom's Hardware.

Starting point is 01:27:27 AMD has confirmed that its GPU drivers are overclocking CPUs without asking. Over the past few weeks, some Ryzen users noticed changes in the BIOS that they had never approved, and upon investigation by the community, it was found that the source of the unrequested overclocks was actually AMD's own GPU drivers. In September of last year, AMD added a Ryzen Master module to their Adrenaline GPU drivers to make the process of overclocking your Ryzen CPU and AMD GPU as simple as the press of a button. Previously, it required both Ryzen Master and the GPU driver to be installed. But with the new drivers, applying a GPU profile can now alter your BIOS settings to enable automatic overclocking, which as you may know, voids your warranty. Typically, when overclocking through Ryzen Master or Adrenaline drivers, you're greeted by a disclaimer that warns you you will be breaking your warranty, but the disclaimer

Starting point is 01:28:11 was not being shown in this case. Furthermore, not all systems are prepared for overclocks, and this could result in thermal throttling, shortened product lifespan, or stability issues, which could result in a worst-case scenario in failed hardware or the loss of data amd has acknowledged the issue and is currently investigating but as of their most recent driver update on april the 5th there is no word from team red on whether the issue has been resolved i think it's mostly not a huge deal but it does go to show just how much trust we're giving these companies and how much control they potentially have over our systems.

Starting point is 01:28:46 Yeah. That they can just like overclock it without you actually knowing. Pretty wacky. I mean, we're seeing that sort of across the board right now, too, because you get it with phones and all this other stuff. 100%. All right. Mr. Belovance, if you please. From Brayden.

Starting point is 01:29:04 Actually, wait, I lied. we have to revisit something here luke this was not the blowout that you thought it was no you weren't supposed to go back to it i went back to it was supposed to see straw poll wasn't supposed to work supposed to stay at 100 forever i still think it's broken because this 974 here is the same 974 that it was when it was just all that. I'm sure it still is. So I'm sure there were a lot more votes than this, but it's just very clear that this was not as one-sided. I knew it wasn't going to be a 100% blowout. Yeah, well, yeah, it wasn't even...

Starting point is 01:29:38 I knew it was still correct, though. Yeah, it's debatable. This is a flawed tool. Flawed tool. Okay, sorry. What did you say, Daddy? Mr. Bellavance. yeah it's debatable this is a flawed tool flawed tool okay sorry daddy mr mr bella uh just for the record i'm with luke uh that is weird but it is positive yeah uh yeah yeah uh as brayden was saying the jump from 2d to 3d rendering in games was an upgrade in both visuals and gameplay same to the

Starting point is 01:30:02 jump to vr visuals as well as gameplay do you think ray tracing can offer any advancements in gameplay or is it really only a visual upgrade i think they're very small in the same way that you know physics real-time physics was supposed to deliver huge improvements in gameplay in some games it has destructible environments absolutely added essential i would say essential gameplay elements to say for example the battlefield series um as for how much of the destructible environment um progress that was made actually came about because of real-time physics um that's a that's a spicier topic but i do see the potential for you know real-time ray tracing to allow you to, say, for example, in a stealth game, peek around a corner using a shiny object you picked up or something like that.

Starting point is 01:30:53 But I think it's going to be a polish, you know, a level of polish on your game, not, you know, critical, fun-enhancing. Not like enabling new gameplay styles yeah or or like core core gameplay elements that are gonna make this the game of the year you know what i mean that's that's the way that i see it right now also i take issue with your assertion that the move to from 2d to 3d necessarily improved gameplay eventually yes immediately there were some misfires oh yeah as someone who lived through that we didn't figure out how the the best way to make people move in 3d was for like a long time like a whole generation of consoles like it was it was yeah kind of it took a sec. From Joseph,

Starting point is 01:31:45 what's your opinion on whole home wireless charging? We charge are similar. Maybe for your new house. We'd love to see a video on it. Sorry, which one are similar? We charge. We charge. Where do I find this one?

Starting point is 01:31:59 I don't see Joseph. We charge are similar, I think he would say. Joseph. It is a long distance or long range wireless charger uh okay so we have actually showcased similar technology on the channel I don't know if it was we charge or something else for me uh I'd love to see wireless charging just kind of magically happen as you're just walking around your house. But because it requires line of sight, and because the modules are currently not at a low enough cost or small enough size to be properly integrated into devices like this, I just, I don't see, I don't see a path forward for it right now it feels like

Starting point is 01:32:47 it's kind of stuck in that cool enough to not forget about it but not revolutionary enough to um you know really band together consolidate the industry and push it forward that's where i'm at on it. From Lingfei, have you still been using your LG Tone Free earbuds and still sleeping with them? Any updates? I switched between the AirPods Pros and the Tone Free FP8s.

Starting point is 01:33:15 I still find both of them extremely comfortable. I do find the AirPods Pros slightly more comfortable, but as long as I don't do two nights in a row with the Tone Frees, they don't bother me at all. And I love that the battery life is a lot longer than my airpods pros so that's where that's where i'm at on those maybe a question for luke alexander asks what's the best keyboard for someone with big hands who likes tall clicky feeling keys but doesn't want them to make any noise does that exist uh that's that's kind of multiple questions

Starting point is 01:33:45 you're asking for a lot yeah there's there's a lot of a lot of sub questions in there um you're not looking for clicky so that kind of narrows down your your switch selection but at the same time even in the non-clicky space there's a huge amount of preferential things that i can't tell you what you're going to like. In terms of tall, just get like normal size keycaps, I guess. And then you're asking for an entire keyboard. So yeah, I would just because I can't tell you what switch you're gonna like. So I would just find a non clicky switch that you want to try and just buy a keyboard keyboard with standard keycaps because most standard keycaps are tall i mean if you want it to feel clicky but not be loud something like

Starting point is 01:34:31 an mx brown something in that kind of quiet quiet tactile category might be nice there are also yeah if you're if you want tactile there are also ones out there that are more tactile but still quiet than browns um but but yeah unfortunately there's a huge amount of like subjectivity there and like big hands doesn't really come into play with any of it um because they should be standard spacing yeah if it's a proper keyboard yeah so man man as soon as you mention cherry mx browns freaking look i still like them i don't even care you mentioned them i know but as soon as you mention them oh yeah yeah people just a war starts you can thank you can thank glasses for that whatever i like them whatever i'm actually using the g915 these days though i yeah i don't know how to go back i'm using it at work and at home now i really like and again someone with big hands i really like

Starting point is 01:35:31 low profile keyboards i find okay uh in pure like satisfaction of typing i do not like them the most but i am way faster on them they They're good. Just objectively, I type significantly faster. They're good. Okay. Floatplane Chat is blowing up, asking about the lab's lead. Unfortunately, the lab's lead had a personal thing to attend to today.

Starting point is 01:35:59 It'll be next week. I'm so sorry. Also, the last PC build guide you'll ever need is not coming out this weekend because Mark, who was supposed to finish it up today, ended up getting tapped for shooting duty with me and Jake at my house doing the projector video.

Starting point is 01:36:14 So both of the promises that I made last week on WAN Show are not coming true. Nice. Sorry about that. Solid. We're still not making pre-orders. Alright, pal. From Evan, if you could go back and change one thing business-wise

Starting point is 01:36:30 about your LTT or NCIX experiences, would there be anything or what would it be? Ooh. Man. That's a big one. What would you change about us? Uh... what would you change about us uh it's hard because i try not to think that way too much because if you think that way a lot you're just going to wallow in regret constantly and that's not actually a

Starting point is 01:36:59 productive thing to do uh wow look what the life tips here i'm just saying you know um you you can reflect on actions and like try to use those to inform future actions but saying that changing the past would necessarily be a good thing is is questionable um i think with float plane to talk about Floatplane, either starting off with the knowledge and the planning that we were going to be more general or starting off harder. Sure. And this is one of those things where it was impossible for us to know we were going to run into this. When we started Floatplane, we had no competition. And now our competition is Patreon video and youtube memberships which are pretty monstrous

Starting point is 01:37:48 competitors um so having no competition we were like oh we can just like keep it lean and mean and we have time yeah we ran out of time we ran out of time yeah so knowing that we were going to either be multidisciplinary which i think is, or pushing maybe harder at the beginning, I think would have maybe both been better. But then at the same time, like the road that we went on left us with a very skilled development team that was able to scale and ended up doing fantastic things later on. So maybe doing those things would have been detrimental. I don't know. Um, so yeah, I don't know. That's somewhat of a non-answer, but yeah. Yeah. As for Linus Media Group, um, man, I, again, there are things we absolutely could have done differently or better. I could have hired earlier. I could have, um, man,

Starting point is 01:38:39 I don't think I could have put in more hours, honestly, especially in the early days. Um we we got by like we we just like barely dodged so many disasters that like i this is even more of a non-answer but i would almost say there's things that like i don't know if it was luck or effort but i'm really happy they went the way they did yeah like when we got kicked out of the house we were using as a studio, right as we had already closed on a proper commercial space, so we were going to have somewhere to go. The timing of that was so narrow.

Starting point is 01:39:13 Yeah, like I shouldn't have done it earlier because it didn't hamper our growth in any way to be there. And I definitely shouldn't have done it later because we would have literally been thrown out on the street. Like what else can it, you know? And so the major moves like that, what could i have changed yeah nothing i'm not saying i did everything perfectly absolutely not but then you have a different path you have to sometimes fail to learn yeah so like i think the things where mistakes happened i think because

Starting point is 01:39:42 i would like to say that we were productive about those mistakes i think i wish i had had a better vision but then like that's that's like impossible right so like how i don't know sort of i mean some people you know look at the vision mr beast has for example i didn't have a vision like that but that was was never you. And I think that's okay. Well, I just mean like he has a path. I didn't have a path. I was like best case scenario, we've got like four or five people and we're self-sufficient.

Starting point is 01:40:15 I wasn't even thinking about the company being profitable at that point. I just meant like we'll be able to pay everyone's salary and we'll like bro out and play with tech. That was my end game. I think you exchanged that goal though. Because like at one and play with tech that was that was my end game i think you exchanged that goal though because like at one point like you said that was your end game and then we sort of got there and then we were like no the stars yeah i don't know maybe man maybe maybe that was a mistake maybe i should have taken my time i i don't know like i don't know at the end of the day what i'm gonna look hard to evaluate what the result of those changes would be um sj watt says should have invested in crypto okay sure but that's not

Starting point is 01:40:50 like to do with running our business yeah yeah that is fair that's fair not that i'm saying that you should go in now i don't even i don't know i don't want to get involved i only have what we've mined in the lounge for like pizza nights which we now do every two weeks you got to start coming i didn't even know that yeah um uh chase organizes it and so we're gonna so what we're gonna do is we're gonna rotate it so that it happens on different weeknights on each cycle oh that's pretty cool so that everyone should kind of get a chance to come at some point. Yeah, I like that actually. From Sean, any updates on the Steam Deck daily driver video?

Starting point is 01:41:33 I've kind of given up. I just like I gamed on it a lot. And every time I've used anything else, I have just used my computer because it's for work. And I'm not doing work things in Linux right now. And then after that, I actually haven't gamed much lately. And so it's just not really a video anymore, I think. So that's where I'm at on that. Sorry. All right.

Starting point is 01:42:03 Crap. That's now three broken promises today. Shoot. Shoot. Okay, softball question for you after maybe that hard one. From Liz, any upcoming games that you're excited about?

Starting point is 01:42:17 Yes. Where is it? It's in my Trello. I'll have to check my... I have a personal Trello for games to play. Shut up. Be nice. it it's in my trello i'll have to check my i have a personal trello for like games to play shut up be nice so wait is this is this a game that's already out no it's not out yet it's upcoming you have to pick an upcoming it was just if it's in your trello i didn't know if it was like actually i want to play sea of stars and rise of the third power they both look awesome

Starting point is 01:42:41 never heard of either of those nice that's cool um i feel like i've been saying this for i think four years but i'm still gonna say skull and bones yeah whenever it comes out maybe uh maybe 2030 we'll see this looks amazing uh the art looks amazing i think you showed me this, actually. Yep. Yeah. I just, it looks so beautiful. I just really want to play it.

Starting point is 01:43:09 And then, what was the other one I said? Sea of Stars and... I already don't remember. Rise of the something. Where is it? Come on. Rise of the Third Power. Yeah, it looks amazing.

Starting point is 01:43:22 I'm not going to pre-order, but I am excited. Starfield, if you told me when I was 17 that Bethesda was going to make Starfield and it was going to come out when I was around this age, I would have been like, wow, I'm excited for future me. That's going to be an amazing game. If you told me in the last few years that Bethesda was going to make any game at all i don't think i'd be that excited yeah um so that's where i'm currently sitting at with starfield hopefully it's great

Starting point is 01:43:53 i'm going in with extremely low expectations and i suspect that they might uh land below that so i'm concerned but this looks like another cross code where it's like the game that i would fund if i started a game studio because this is just like what i want to play i want a super story driven like 16-bit style um wait coming february 10th 2022 did they is this available or did they miss that um uh is this out this is out oh oh i'm totally gonna play it nice cool i'm excited oh it's deck verified heck yeah i'm gonna buy it tonight all right there you go all right hit me all right from joshua what were the best and worst parts of working at nc ncix and how are they different from founding and heading linus media group uh okay best and worst parts of work okay the best part of working at nciIX is that I basically got a business education while being paid to do it.

Starting point is 01:45:10 I am extremely glad that when I played the game of life, I took a gamble and I skipped school and I went straight into a business that was big enough that there was a lot to learn and knowledgeable people to absorb from, but small enough that I could legitimately affect change and make my way to the top of the company in a span of just four or five years. I am super grateful for my time at NCIX. I definitely worked hard to make the most of it. They didn't hand me anything, but I was given the opportunity to become more knowledgeable, more patient,

Starting point is 01:45:55 to learn how to take risks, to learn how to calculate my risks. So many of the things, both what to do and what not to do so so many of the things that i now consider just core parts of myself even though they weren't i learned at ncix um you know things like our our summer you know summer of fun i ripped off the whole thing directly from NCIX, even the name. So we just have in the summer, we do a budget per per employee.

Starting point is 01:46:46 And you can as long as you have what at some minimum number of LMG creator warehouse or float plane employees that all do the activity, then you can write off up to a certain amount per get together just to encourage people to do stuff that's fun together outside of work hours and also even do stuff that they otherwise might not like maybe you wouldn't go go-karting because it's like pretty expensive it is but if it's free and the only cost is that you like have to hang out with colleagues well hey oh sure yeah i'll go go-karting so uh that was ripped off directly from ncix and then the part of that that i learned not to do from ncix is um unceremoniously terminate a program like that without replacing it with something else my uh my least favorite part was getting paid below minimum wage um yeah and i don't know i feel like i was so detached from the actual company other than getting paid below minimum wage that i don't have a lot of

Starting point is 01:47:32 particularly favorite parts about working with ncix hanging out with me it was basically just hanging out with linus no one else there even knew who the hell i was yeah it's true like i didn't like interface with the company well you usually showed up like after hours everybody was gone yeah it was just like you and me yeah they're late yeah i'd enter the studio directly like i usually didn't even come in the front doors we'd like wander around the warehouse and like grab things every once in a while like i knew i could probably like map out the layout of headquarters now because I remember like I moved around the building a fair amount but no one's ever there so yeah I don't know and then

Starting point is 01:48:11 for me I'd say the worst part was dealing with people that I whose skills I didn't respect people who I felt were in jobs that they were not qualified for and ended up wasting a lot of mine and the company's resources. I don't like waste. I don't mind spending, but I hate waste. That's what I've told every labs person who has joined so far is your job is to think, pontificate, plan, because there's no website to publish to. So your job is to do all of these

Starting point is 01:48:45 things spend money don't waste it is what i've told them yeah hit me again all right from anonymous what's your most underrated battle station upgrade hmm i think that monitor upgrades, people understand it now, but back in the day, a monitor upgrade was considered like kind of the last thing you would do. You know what? No, I'm changing my answer. Mousepad.

Starting point is 01:49:16 And that's not just because we sell mousepads. We sell mousepads because I'm super picky about mousepads because I was the kind of person that used a piece of paper for many years of my life. And when I finally got a good mouse pad, boy, did it ever make a huge difference for me. And I've been a believer ever since. Um, I, every once in a while I'll end up traveling and I'll forget to bring a mouse pad and I'll get handed some stupid, like freebie mouse pad because most companies don't invest in proper mouse pads for their workstations.

Starting point is 01:49:44 3b mousepad because most companies don't invest in proper mousepads for their workstations and it just it sucks i hate it because a proper mousepad makes a big difference to the comfort of your arm it makes having a little bit of cushion it just feels it feels better it tracks better so you're not going to misclick when you're aiming for something small you're moving quickly yeah i'm going with mousepad yeah i'm going gonna kind of cop out and just say general peripherals as well back when i was a kid and i was trying to get a terrible answer i was trying to get into counter-strike and and call of duty like pro teams uh i was on this i was on this counter-strike team and our lead we didn't have a coach but our like best player would do these workshops so he was trying to to train us to aim properly

Starting point is 01:50:25 and do all this kind of stuff. He would dive into our mice and our keyboards and mouse pads and stuff. This was way longer. I was like 14 or 13 or something. He would, if anyone had a wired mouse, he'd be like, dude, no, because this was back when wired mice weren't very good.

Starting point is 01:50:42 Wireless, you mean? Yes, sorry. If people had wireless mice he's like dude no um and he would he would go over consistency like crazy and all this stuff and i i noticed pretty early on like everything he's focusing on is peripherals and our way that we interact with the game right and people that had lower performance computers it was like yeah that wasn't great but what he was way more focused on was how we controlled our our actions right and it's i mean he was right in a lot of ways i'm gonna come up with another one air conditioning air underrated big deal when you're comfortable you're focused when you're not comfortable you're

Starting point is 01:51:17 not focused and actually that's funny uh bells like why not our sponsor secret lab yeah chair is another big part of being comfortable while you're gaming. Yeah, I think I agree with chair, except I spent like a pretty high portion of my life sitting on exercise balls. Yeah, I know. I thought that was great. Well, I don't know. Yeah. Awful, gaming on an exercise ball.

Starting point is 01:51:37 Yeah. I don't even want to talk about it. Bell. From Tyler, what hardware features or changes can you absolutely not get behind? Oh, well, I mean, an obvious one would be hole punches or notches in displays. I went out of my way to completely avoid

Starting point is 01:51:55 that stupid trend. Man, can you absolutely not get behind? I'm trying to think. I'm sure there's some, but I'm trying to think i'm sure there's some but i'm trying to think subscription hardware where you have to pay for both the hardware and the subscription mentioned that earlier i'm kind of a pickle i'm a pick a lane kind of guy i don't mind paying a subscription for something i don't mind paying up front i don't like both yeah yeah if you're gonna subsidize your shiz then fine subsidize it what else conrad says light gaming mice bell says non-removable power cables apple i mean

Starting point is 01:52:37 i hope that's not a trend but i was kind of trying to think trends anything anti-rights for repair we don't like changes yeah this is it this is not an absolutely cannot get behind but i'm not a fan of it i understand it's probably progress it's probably better um but the overclock ability of things trending downwards oh yeah yeah it's probably better that things are just as fast as they can be out of the box but it does make it more boring yeah it's hilarious to me that water cooling is a bigger industry than it's ever been even though there's less point in water cooling than there has ever been yeah avon we're on the last merch message she needs to go and i need to go um and i guess that's it then i feel like I should give you guys a final tally here. So far, there are...

Starting point is 01:53:26 This is so stupid. I mean, like, stupid in a... Hey, thanks, guys. Y'all are great. There are 558 of you that are actually going to wear LTTstore.com on the front of you, and thank you for that.

Starting point is 01:53:43 Cable ties are low-key one of our top selling items now that we have all the different colors and the larger packs oh that's cool um so that's pretty cool you guys you guys want some inside baseball you want a little bit inside baseball before we go uh desk pads and water bottles continue to be some of our biggest movers i i love our water bottles i think they're great i had a conversation with kyle about why you're not allowed to uh dishwash them i was like hey um i've always wondered about this because if there's a vacuum in there like the heat surely couldn't cause a pressure problem and he's like no it's a melting issue the way that they seal the vacuum is with a glass bead that they melt into here and the problem is that when it heats up and expands

Starting point is 01:54:25 and then cools and contracts, glass and metal do not heat up and expand at the same rate. And that's why these thermally insulated water bottles are not safe to put in the dishwasher. Makes sense. It's not that it's like gonna explode or something. It's just that it will, could damage it. And I have run them.

Starting point is 01:54:41 That's effective. And they have not been damaged,

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