The WAN Show - We're Finally Free - WAN Show May 13, 2022

Starting point is 00:00:00 Wow, there are so many pans at HomeSense. These are non-stick, made in Italy. It's a sign, we need a new pan. We already have a pan, it works. What we have is an extra stick pan made of, I don't know what. Everything sticks and burns. Do we seriously have to eat burnt food to save 20 bucks? It's 20 bucks?

Starting point is 00:00:18 20 bucks. Need I remind you, made in Italy. You don't need to tell me. We're getting this pan. Deal so good, everyone approves. Only at HomeSense. No. Would it be that if someone bought two items at once? Maybe. We should really start the show.

Starting point is 00:00:35 Welcome to the WAN Show, ladies and gentlemen. We've got a fantastic show lined up for you today. We're going to be talking about NiceHash. I mean, probably not single-handedly, but NVIDIA's mining limiter finally being defeated. Just in time for no one to care about mining at all ever again. Also in NVIDIA news, NVIDIA has released open source GPU drivers for Linux. Kind of. What else we got today?

Starting point is 00:01:04 Pretty big caveat on the end of that. Google Ayo 2022? AIO? Ayo? Why is it A-Y-O? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:01:14 Anyways, Google stuff, Google news, we're going to talk about Google hardware and bye-bye iPod. Really? Is that news?

Starting point is 00:01:22 What else is news? Wait, where's all the stuff I wanted to talk about? Not here. I don't understand. Do you want to just riff it? Do you want to just do it live? I'm going to have to riff some stuff.

Starting point is 00:01:33 No notes going in blind? Let's roll that intro. We're doing it, boys. I know it's IO. that's why I corrected it In the doc it's like AYM Thanks, Bell Why don't we jump right into our first topic NiceHash has finally Cracked the last of NVIDIA's

Starting point is 00:02:02 Defenses, fully unlocking The full hash rate for NVID Nvidia GPUs that were launched with VBIOS hash rate limiters. Which we called. Well, yeah, of course we did. And people told us that we were wrong. Well, those people were... So many people. I hope you remember who you are! Guys, there's literally billions of dollars at stake there's so much money there's you gotta you gotta be joking unless it was like soldered off somehow which doesn't even make any sense well you could you could well yeah no you wouldn't no you wouldn't be able to do that because then you wouldn't be able to use those functional components of the gpu for other workloads and

Starting point is 00:02:40 their performance would suck and they wouldn't be competitive yeah yeah but unless you could do that like if it's a software lock there's so much money so like unfathomable amounts of money it's at the point where and i'm not saying i'm not saying this is how it happened because i don't know how it works nice hash has not explained how the unlock works uh but it's at the point where you know the kinds of the kinds of crypto billionaires that are out there that could just be like, OK, whatever engineer at NVIDIA created this. Here is literally a gigantic bag of money. You can retire. You work for me now. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:19 And your entire job forever is to undo that thing you did. And then you retire on an island like that's the that's the kind of money that we're talking about here guys there was absolutely no way that this was not going to be cracked uh the timing of it though is is is quite entertaining um because it coincides like directly with the crash yeah i mean i guess that's okay because it means that anyone buying the dip and picking up cheap cards also as far as my very vague not informed understanding goes yeah people on nice hash right now that are like selling their mining power is still making some money are they okay well there you go apparently they weren't the first to do it uh this is from this is from floatplane chat nb minor apparently did it first i do know that the

Starting point is 00:04:10 defenses have been slowly crumbling ever since nvidia first introduced their light hash rate gpus and i gotta give nvidia credit it took longer to break through them than i thought uh it's been a year since they launched the RTX 3060 with a light hash rate limiter. There is some people pointing to the Lapsus stuff and wondering how much of that is related. It could be quite related, the NVIDIA leak. I think that, you know, well, okay,

Starting point is 00:04:41 we'll talk about that in a little bit more depth when we open up our next topic here. Um, nice hash has not explained how the unlock works. Instead linking to Queens, a kind of magic music video. It's not all good news. It only works at this time.

Starting point is 00:05:00 It only works on windows and only using ethash eat it well this might dagger hashimoto okay there that's okay and as of today the rtx 3050 and 3080 12 gig cards are both still locked so it's not every gpu that this is working on however suspicious the timing is um it's really only relevant at this point to miners looking to squeeze extra value out of cards that they already have because the price of crypto has been crashing to the point where i don't think even the most fervent cryptocurrency enthusiasts would be telling you to go out and buy gpus explicitly for mining right now i mean ethereum uh is down from a high of $31,063 US to $2,067. And Bitcoin was at a high of $41,532. Hold on, is that the one month high? Oh,

Starting point is 00:05:58 that's only the one month high. Yeah, it was at like $60,000 a while ago. Anyway, it's at $30,000 now. So we have seen a significant crash oh this is great who wrote this i'm gonna be anthony uh many stable coins fixed to the u.s dollar says anthony have been destabilized as assets are shuffled shuffled slash extracted in response. Can I just take a moment to shout out that stable coins were always a scam? I read the name, read like a one or two liner on the premise and was like, I don't get it. Don't see how it works.

Starting point is 00:06:34 And then just bailed out. But that's after I'd already pulled out entirely. So I don't know. Oh man. It's interesting. Some analysts see Bitcoin's price history as proof that it will be able to bounce back but i mean how much um i think markets in general are yes to be turning down we should be fair bitcoin and ethereum are far from the only things crashing right now you looked at netflix a lot of tech stocks a lot of tech stocks over the last like six months seen shopify over the

Starting point is 00:07:10 last six months got nailed hey shopify we're rooting for you to still exist by the way because yeah that'd be great i really don't want to make a store our store actually runs on your platform we do kind of still need it i desperately do not want to have to try to make that um please please keep existing um they seem like they're doing fine i think like internally okay i won't say too much but i think they're doing fine well didn't they already i thought i read an article saying that shopify was planning to like do stock buybacks like executives were planning to buy stocks so clearly they have some confidence. Yeah. And I mean, out of a lot of like tech companies, they seem to have a lot more like,

Starting point is 00:07:50 you know, realness to them. They have a lot of money going through their platform and like something like Twitter, which is just like, how does this any, what? Nope.

Starting point is 00:07:58 I must've been reading about someone else. That's not, uh, this is okay. So I can't find my source for that. Conrad just said in float plane chat. And this, so this is okay so i can't find my source for that conrad just said in floatplane chat and this so this is a external developer well internal to us external to shopify um that works on shopify stuff and he said shopify is so nice i hope we never have to use something else hearing that from an external developer should mean a lot for the company that it is said about

Starting point is 00:08:22 yeah they could also do better well yeah okay definitely agreed there's a lot of things that shopify could do better like to be clear shopify great partner we use the platform they've sponsored us in the past shopify could do better there's some problems there's some there's some problems some problems but yeah there's definitely some problems we've had had to change roadmaps and plans and stuff based on what's going on over there. Based on targets not getting hit by Shopify. It is what it is. There's a lot of different articles

Starting point is 00:08:58 about a lot of different things right now in relation to coins crashing and general stocks crashing and everything else. There's an article from Forbes talking about how apparently a trillion dollars in value has just been wiped out. Woo! That's a big number.

Starting point is 00:09:15 It's almost like it was all imaginary money. Who would have thunk it? I think, yeah, I don't know. I don't think I can say way too much on this topic i just i almost wish it didn't crash so hard that makes sense why i mean to be clear i'm not saying it should have crashed harder i'm just i'm just asking i don't think it would be good for it to cease to like practically exist if that makes sense. Like the stock market.

Starting point is 00:09:49 Basically. Because there's stories. I don't want to get way too into various things, but there's stories like, to throw Ukraine for an example. There's stories of people buying cars in Ukraine with Bitcoin after the local banks had entirely locked everything down so people with Ukrainian credit cards could not make purchases. So they purchased cars with Bitcoin in order to get out of the country, which is like, that's pretty cool. Yeah. So I don't know.

Starting point is 00:10:18 I think it was kind of to the mooning a little hard. I think everything in that area was to the mooning a little hard. So I'm happy that maybe it's coming back down to earth. I mean, this has been a ridiculous, I don't even want to call it a bull run. I mean, it's been pretty clear that we've been in a bubble

Starting point is 00:10:36 for quite some time. And there is a benefit to the valuation of companies and the valuation of their stocks having some kind of fundamental basis in reality as opposed to just being pure tulip bulb speculation. There's always that, what you were kind of talking about with Shopify, right?

Starting point is 00:10:55 Like if the public determines that your company is worth like nothing and you're one of the like people who run that company, you can just be like, oh sweet. Yeah, I'll buy this up because we are going to be worth something. So I can I will back that up myself. And then you add you you you retain that kind of minimum value. Times like this make me just so grateful that we do not have any outside money in our company because I'm looking at it going, OK, maybe a recession, maybe depression,'s a lot of spooky stuff on the horizon.

Starting point is 00:11:25 There's a lot of stuff going on in the world right now. But what I know for sure is that as long as we can stay in our little corner of this chaotic universe spinning around at a zillion miles an hour through the cosmos, then we should be okay. There's not an external factor like uh there could never be a hostile takeover yeah of linus media group you know you could never have some billionaire come in and say okay i'm gonna go straight to your i'm gonna go straight to your shareholders and i'm going to offer them 10 or 20 percent more than what the stock is is worth

Starting point is 00:12:06 where it's being publicly traded and i now own your company that is actually impossible they would they would have to negotiate with yvonne i was gonna say they have to go through good luck that's true dude i don't know if you have enough billions of dollars she's she's a really good person to have on your team she can be a very tough negotiator is what I'll say both having been married to her for a thousand years and working with her for a thousand years she's one of those

Starting point is 00:12:36 people that I don't it's not that she doesn't understand that there needs to be a give-and-take in a negotiation it's that I'm not sure that she cares she's like well whatever you're supposed to get out of it you better negotiate for that i'm not advocating for it what about my stuff okay all right fair enough lady to be clear she's a very wonderful wonderful lady i'm just really glad that in a cage fight she's in my corner not the other one speaking of cage fight this is totally off topic yeah are you gonna watch tomorrow watch what uh

Starting point is 00:13:13 creator clash oh i i definitely should i definitely should i i haven't been interested in any of the celebrity or creator boxing matches or anything at all yeah until this one and now i'm like actually really stoked just because the roster's the roster is so cool yeah it's just like a bunch of people here's what i want to know okay i'm dr mike yeah i presumably took some kind of oath to do no harm am i actually allowed to pummel the stuffing out of someone? I don't know. It would be, okay, so. No, I'm serious right now. Well, I think that's a different thing. Because it's for entertainment now, it's okay.

Starting point is 00:13:56 I mean, you know. He's not practicing medicine. You know, in a boxing match. Okay, I think that's fair. Yeah. So wait, as long as a doctor is not actually practicing medicine, then it's fine for them to just beat the crap out of people. What about combat medics that carry firearms?

Starting point is 00:14:13 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know the rules. Do I look like a doctor to you? I mean, I don't either. I haven't exactly dove into it. I would probably be horrible at that profession. exactly dove into it i would probably be horrible at that profession um but i i have to assume that it has to tie in directly with with uh practicing medicine dr mike apparently has a video discussing

Starting point is 00:14:33 it okay i missed that as far as my understanding goes he like has actually been training boxing for like a long time cool then this will be very interesting yeah i'm glad i'm not fighting him then seeing seeing some of the people involved, yeah, I don't know. I think it's going to be really interesting. That's it. Ed Nutting asks, does LMG not have any debt financing,

Starting point is 00:14:53 mortgage, loan, et cetera? Are you really at no risk? We are at a very acceptable level of risk. I think pretty much every business is going to have some level of risk. We could never, under any any circumstances lose our main hq um right now pretty solid fallback yeah right now we're a little vulnerable on the lab we just just took out financing against the lab um and theoretically if something truly catastrophic were to happen, actually, yeah, it'd be really difficult.

Starting point is 00:15:29 It'd be really difficult for anything to happen real estate wise to wipe us out. that long before we would run into any kind of inability to pay our monthly payments, the entire Canadian economy would have collapsed. Unless interest rates shot to 60% or something like that, it's all manageable. I mean, our main expenses are payroll. And that's our main priority, is making sure that we can cover payroll month to month everything else is like the 20 gigabit internet connection that i'm looking into is secondary it

Starting point is 00:16:12 actually would cost only as much as our current 10 gigabit connection oh but it's not quite as baller a connection so we're we're jake's looking into it jake's looking into it it's from an all it's from an alternate provider, but then our existing provider, ITEL, has been making some spicy offers. So we're trying to figure out what our best path forward is here. The one thing that I know for sure is that I want a direct connection

Starting point is 00:16:40 between this building and the lab, and that's either going to happen officially or it's going to happen unofficially. Teasing future content, by the way. Beautiful. Someone in chat, sorry, just someone in chat asked about the job postings from last week.

Starting point is 00:16:55 They have been up since Monday, as I said. Please check them out. We've had people apply already to all the positions. There is a problem, which I was informed about today that apparently the the new system that we're using on the site for jobs is not accepting international phone numbers but we are allowing remotes for some of the positions oh okay we should figure that out i'm going to send an email to the person who manages that stuff and hopefully it will be fixed i mean

Starting point is 00:17:21 they're probably like going to be gone for the day by the time they get that so i would check monday again got it but yeah you can also yeah never mind bradyl asks does that mean that the wireless internet sharing didn't work so well it worked great but that's for creator warehouse they don't need they don't need to review you know high bit rate 8k footage or whatever on their workstations from the server room in the other building that's not necessary they are literally just using it for internet and like maybe saving adobe illustrator projects stuff like that this is this is so we might be putting a rack in creator warehouse um because there's a project that aj nick another person i don't know if i can say their name and i are working on where they might have to have a server physically on location

Starting point is 00:18:12 just so you know what who needs a server on location creator warehouse they need a server yeah in their the business team the business team, like, archaic software thing that they just need, apparently. Like an intranet server? Pretty much. Yeah. I hate it. I mean, it could be somewhere else. Can you just explain this?

Starting point is 00:18:40 It could be somewhere else, but it has to be on LAN. And while you could solve that problem it would probably just make the most sense to put it over there how top secret is this i don't think we should say the name of the thing all right yeah well i hate it that might not even be a problem i just don't want to just in case i hate it and i think it's stupid okay okay we're doing it so thanks glad we got that sorted out let's talk about nvidia's open source gpu drivers for linux now this was written up by anthony as well so i'm fairly certain that this is already in there but can i just say that the timing of this is also extremely suspicious?

Starting point is 00:19:28 Does this feel like NVIDIA just getting out ahead of, well, everything leaked already anyway, so since it's out there anyway, we might as well just do it anyway? I mean, it's possible. It's possible that this is more of a response to the Steam Deck. Some people in Full Plane Chat have actually guessed what it is that's amazing um i yeah i thought it was an answer to steam deck that was my knee jerk to this that's that's possible as well i mean you said makes sense nvidia just allowing amd to have pretty much all of the market share of lin gamers. Because remember, Steam Deck is not going to be

Starting point is 00:20:05 the only handheld. And as soon as SteamOS actually launches, is available more broadly, we're going to see not just handhelds. Steam machines are going to become a freaking thing. You're going to have Steam machines

Starting point is 00:20:18 in people's living rooms because why not? Why not? Don't spend on those licenses. Exactly. And so by not allowing the open source community to contribute to their drivers, NVIDIA is going to be giving up performance.

Starting point is 00:20:33 They're going to be giving up features. It's going to be costing them more because they just need to do all the maintenance. And so maybe they've finally figured out that this tide is turning and they need to just get with the program all right you want to run us through what anthony actually wrote up so that that's it that's my hot take on this i swear no no hot takes today yeah so it's it's been nearly a decade since the linus torvald's

Starting point is 00:20:55 famous uh giving the fingers which i can't press a bleep button for a gesture so uh yeah can we can we blur can you blur on the fly bell not yet yeah very nice it's been nearly a decade since linus torvalds did that um and now the open source drivers are apparently available as an alpha it's not really quite as simple as they're out there everything about them is open source and it's all hunky-dory uh because of course it's not because it's from NVIDIA. So there are caveats. The caveats are the drivers will only work on Turing or RTX 20 or later GPUs thanks to reliance on the GPU system processor included in that generation. And only the kernel module is open source at the moment.

Starting point is 00:21:43 Cool. User space modules and utilities are all still closed source so this should help things be more stable there was some notes later on yeah according to wendell this is a this situation is 90 the same but nvidia is trying to do it the right way and this isn't really a win for open source but it is for usability so it's uh there's there's a cool quote here that is this is for users not the neckbeards which is still good but not as good not really what i think basically everyone wanted but still a good thing i mean that's kind of nvidia's mo yeah it's good and you'll buy it but it isn't what you want it's really not what you were looking for. So, I mean, hopefully this is a step in the right direction.

Starting point is 00:22:27 Hopefully this is not the end. And, yeah, I think that's about it. Okay. Open source drivers should finally allow for the fully open source NUVO driver to properly use newer GPUs, aside from features NVIDIA previously blocked like locking the GPU minimum clocks for example man okay so it sounds to me like unless NVIDIA

Starting point is 00:22:51 does the work which they probably won't it's AMD is still going to have an enormous advantage on Linux like looking at the way that Valve has been able to tune the the the well actually both the cpu and the gpu of the steam deck like oh wow it's way better it's like way better they are going to be hampered unless they open it up it's it's it's just i i think the quote is actually quite good this is for users not neckbeards this is going to simplify things yeah mostly i i that's that's my take on it is it's mostly just a simplification of the process. It should make things a little bit easier. It's not necessarily going to make things significantly better. I'd love to know what Anthony thinks is the reason.

Starting point is 00:23:36 So it's most early speculation. Yeah. Most early speculation revolves around NVIDIA's motivations for doing this. Here are the ones that that anthony provides we should do a poll should we do a poll yeah is straw poll gonna let me down again uh do dot com okay the dot com one is is not garbage seems to be still working create a poll okay why did nvidia do this wait description okay here's some answers. I just got to grab these. Lapsus, Sting.

Starting point is 00:24:12 Okay, the options are the hack by Lapsus earlier this year. Okay, so that's option number one. We've got an attempt to stay relevant in the data center as Arc and Radeon Pro ramp up. Hold on, I'm actually going to copy paste these so we can have exactly exactly anthony's wording we've got the option of an internal takeover by linux enthusiasts i am imagining i'm imagining like a mutiny of linux enthusiasts they have little little linux pirate flags at their desk they need to have by the way art shirts and stuff like i i instead of a skull and crossbones it's like a penguin skull and crossbones i love it i love it i i you know i don't want to bias the results but from my experience my experience dealing with nvidia people they they drink the kool-aid pretty

Starting point is 00:25:02 good over there i i doubt there was any kind of mutiny or coup. And then what was the one that I had said? I forget. Did I say something different that wasn't this? I think we both mentioned the Steam Deck. Oh yeah, Steam Deck. Not seeding, or I think you were the one who said that. Not seeding Linux market share to AMD Steam Deck threat. All right, here we go. Create a pool. Okay, create pool. Okay, let's see if this works.

Starting point is 00:25:39 It is definitely way more work to create a pool with this one, but I guess I'll allow it. Oh, this is interesting news. We are simul-streaming to Facebook for the first time, and unfortunately, I showed up last minute for WAN Show, and I did not get a chance to load up Facebook chat, so... That's a lot of chats to monitor. I cannot post this to it I have done that

Starting point is 00:26:06 really where did you get the URL floatplane oh smart is this what it's like to have a producer I think so well I like it I like it quite a lot all right let's have a look at the results here Another And Flowplane and Twitch chat I need you guys to relax Okay Do they Yeah they fight every time you're screen sharing

Starting point is 00:26:33 When I screen share They fight And it's important for them to not fight Because There's nothing to fight over guys Flowplane chat Is my favorite child You don't have to compete for my

Starting point is 00:26:47 attention you were never going to get it anyway yeah and floatplane you have nothing to prove on my side i i'm not as i'm not as uh nice to everyone as you i only have floatplane chat i don't have anything else you just you don't even look at the other ones so wow for a while there i was actually really confused as to what was happening because randomly there'd just be all these arrows and i thought they were like talking about themselves because they were kind of pointing at their own usernames yeah and i was like what is why is everyone being so self-deprecating and then i finally figured out that this is happening and it's going in both directions i'm like oh okay hilarious twitch is not impressed with you But see the thing is that

Starting point is 00:27:27 Luke doesn't care because you're Twitch Sorry A sincere apology to Linus Torvalds Has the lowest share of the vote Which makes sense because there's no chance No way Is there a Linus That NVIDIA is on good terms with right now

Starting point is 00:27:44 The next least likely according to the at all. Is there a Linus that NVIDIA is on good terms with right now? The next least likely, according to the community, is an internal takeover by Linux enthusiasts. Yeah, I I'm on the same page as you guys. It's a fun idea. Yeah, it's definitely would be an amazing comedy sketch, but I don't think so.

Starting point is 00:28:03 I'm surprised at how few people think it's the lapsus hack and just getting out ahead of that i mean i guess based on how um how base basic level the open sourcingness of it is here um that that could be true that could be true that is not the case and the winner here by actually a significant margin, is not wanting to cede Linux market share to AMD. Seeing the Steam Deck and the momentum as a threat. I think the data center point has a lot of credence to it as well. Because if you look at what NVIDIA has cared about

Starting point is 00:28:41 over the last while, data center is absolutely up there. Yeah. My knee jerk was the Steam Deck thing. Honestly, right now, if I had to pick one, I'd probably vote for the data center one. You think so? Not to like bail on my own idea,

Starting point is 00:28:55 but the second I read that data center one, I was like, oh, because you, with so many things in life, right? Follow the money. Yeah. So it's like, where's the money on this one? Is it losing Steam Deck, whatever? It's like, yeah so it's like where's the money on this one is it is it losing steam deck whatever it's like yeah there's there's probably some there's some money

Starting point is 00:29:09 there there's real money there data center though yeah there's a lot of real money there yeah like i mean we uh we checked out a system this week from camino that has from camino yeah a system from camino yeah nice it's the company's called camino that's cool wait is am i missing something that has... From Kamino? Yeah. A system from Kamino? Yeah. Nice. The company's called Kamino. That's cool. Wait, am I missing something? Isn't that where they made clones?

Starting point is 00:29:32 No. I don't think so. Kamino. Yeah. Really? Yeah. In my defense... Kamino, purged from the Jedi archives.

Starting point is 00:29:43 All evidence of the mysterious world of camino was removed in my defense a lonely world beyond the outer rim it's been a moment since i've watched the prequel trilogy did i just star wars knowledge you oh yeah it hasn't happened many times i never claimed to be a big prequel trilogy nerd if you can if you can original trilogy or like early expanded universe out nerd me then i will be surprised even though it's been 20 years that's that's a probably not yeah that's that's really going to be tough yeah but when it comes to anything newer like i haven't even seen clone wars i watched the animated yeah i watched the first episode and it's pretty kiddy luke yeah it it

Starting point is 00:30:21 really the whole thing is questionable. There's parts that are really good. Got it. I never, I have never actually just sat down and watched it. That's another note that is kind of important. It's always just been on. You've been like, this is cool. I like lasers.

Starting point is 00:30:37 I'm going to do something else while this is on like a side monitor. Got it. Okay. So we checked out the system from Camino that has four NVIDIA A6000s in it. And the whole time while we were playing around with it, by the way, you know the BMW blender render? Yeah. Okay. It did it in like seven seconds.

Starting point is 00:30:57 Okay. Okay. Classroom. Oh, man. What was classroom? No, I'm afraid. I think classroom was like 13 or 14 seconds. This is getting into durations where you have to make a new test, basically.

Starting point is 00:31:10 Pretty much, pretty much. We ran classroom with, instead of 300 samples, 10,000 samples. And it went to like three minutes or something like that. Like it is actually ridiculous this is a fast system and we went through this whole thing with it not knowing how much it cost because we were kind of sitting there going well i don't know that kind of takes some of the fun out of it right like who wants to know how much this crazy thing costs let's just look at it and go oh ah and So, ooh, ah. And at the end, we started adding it up and we realized that the CPUs for it

Starting point is 00:31:52 were something like $7,000 each. Like to give you guys some idea of how much money there is in the data center space. You know, you think in your sheltered consumer mindset, right? You think a $500 CPU is very expensive. And you're right. It's a lot of money for processed sand, right? But in the data center, $500?

Starting point is 00:32:21 That's not even worth writing a check for, okay? Just to put it in perspective, right? Why are we ordering that low of a unit count? Exactly exactly but let's just tack it on to our next order don't even bother it's not worth doing the paperwork so these CPUs are like $7000 each and we go and we look up these GPUs

Starting point is 00:32:40 these A6000s by the time they're water blocked and integrated into this crazy render system they're like $5,000, $6,000, these A6000s, by the time they're water blocked and integrated into this crazy render system, they're like $5,000, $6,000, $7,000 each and it's got four of them in there. And you go on Camino's site and they don't expect you to buy one of these.

Starting point is 00:32:56 Okay? You go on Camino's site for the, what is it? The Grando RM. Check this thing out. And they're like, yeah. And one of the really important features of it is that it's available as a Grando MDC.

Starting point is 00:33:12 A container full of Grandos with a total power of up to half a megawatt. Half a megawatt, my friends. Oh my goodness.

Starting point is 00:33:25 Okay? I just don't even know how to deal with this. It's crazy. I mean, look at the cooling solution they built for this thing. I'm sorry, we're going back to my screen here. Like, what the actual bananas is this? Racks on racks on racks. This is like, it's like those mining containers,

Starting point is 00:33:44 except for, you know actually doing something productive you know what i mean wow crazy right that is nuts so we got just one of these things and we're utterly blown away by the performance of it and i forget how i got on this topic now man i was wondering like what oh the money in the data center yeah money there's a lot of money and that gpu that gpu is not actually a ton more die area than what nvidia might put on something like an rtx 3080 ti okay so the cost from that standpoint is not that much higher. It's higher, because you got to understand, as you increase the die area, it's not just like, oh, this die is twice as big, it costs twice as much, because as you go twice as big, the odds of an error go up by much,

Starting point is 00:34:37 much more when you have fewer dies on a wafer. So the cost is significantly higher, but it sure is crap is not seven times higher now they are paying more for memory and nvidia does not make memory so they have to buy that from a third party but the margin on data center gpus is absolutely higher crazy wow i was wondering what people might use that for and then scroll down slightly on camino's website it makes sense like video production stuff yep um machine learning filming with unreal engine 5 as like the i believe if i remember correctly mandalorian did a bunch of yes they did and like i wonder if the coolest thing about mandalorian was how they filmed it no offense i'm sorry mandalorian is a perfectly... If you were desperate,

Starting point is 00:35:26 if every ounce of your being was crying out for Star Wars content, then it probably felt great. Oh! Lisan Kra asks, what's that shirt? I'm so glad you asked. Yeah, what is that shirt, dude?

Starting point is 00:35:42 We just launched a new shirt. I hope you guys understand that when he shows up on set with a new shirt and I'm so glad. What is that shirt, dude? We just launched a new shirt. I hope you guys understand that when he shows up on set with a new shirt and I ask, he won't tell me because he makes me wait until the show. Oh, it's a screwdriver. Lloyd did up this design. Yes. So it actually is based on the LTT screwdriver. That's right.

Starting point is 00:35:59 We are not just monetizing the screwdriver as a screwdriver. We are monetizing it as a fantastic design for shirt and honestly that's one of the things i really love about lloyd's designs is he manages to integrate the spirit of whatever object it is be it a cpu or fans or gpus or headphones or whatever but just make it a shirt that's like palatable to wear you know that you that you'd actually want to go out and be seen in so pictures feature uh one of our producer dudes one of our producer dudes pretty sure i can see his name yeah he's been on camera dan i can't believe this made it as shot number two okay

Starting point is 00:36:36 that's great uh we got dennis in there andy screwdriver bro haha andy really wanted to do this shot with the with the mid flip hey there's dan you guys just met dan for i think the first time anyway the screwdriver shirt is now available and i believe that's the only ltt store news that i have for you guys the stealth sweatpants as well oh that explains why there was this big sales spike like an hour before the show i saw like a thing that went like that and i was like what what what's going on i had i didn't dig into the report uh right sorry so hold on let me let me do you have that up already i do i'll just go to your screen then on an amazing photo wow who did that is that david yeah what super cool actually that's awesome is that the first one oh no you

Starting point is 00:37:28 actually have to scroll down to see it yeah I love it very cool so are these are these the same like structurally and everything just no orange accents I'm assuming um I believe so It looks like it but I'm not certain Yes I believe so That's cool That's awesome Alright let's go ahead I got all these buttons here now We upgraded the production values

Starting point is 00:37:57 Shout out Dan and Bell For getting that going YKK zippers, 3 lengths for optimal fit Cotton French terry fabric So the same as our blank hoodies. Yeah, I guess that's pretty much everything we need to say about that for now. Do you want to jump into sponsors? Yeah.

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Starting point is 00:40:16 Linus Thoughts at the bottom here? Linus Thoughts? Or that I didn't paste, someone pasted it. There's an image pasted in the doc. You'll like it. You'll like it. You'll like it. Okay. I don't see the Linus Thoughts banner, but... Really? Hashtag Linus Thoughts?

Starting point is 00:40:30 You don't see it? All caps? I'm going to highlight it for you. Oh, there. Okay. That would be really helpful. I was looking for like a... I highlighted something else entirely.

Starting point is 00:40:36 I got it. We're good. Yeah, sure. Here we go, boys. Let's do it. Which part? Like the whole thing? You know what?

Starting point is 00:40:42 Let's do it after. Let's do a couple of merch messages. Okay. Nice. If you guys aren't familiar, we do not do super chats anymore we do merch messages and if you have a particularly thoughtful one then bell will flag it as a curated merch message and read it to us on the show so we can respond and if you're on facebook we don't do that either whatever it's called oh okay don't know what it's called yep if we don't know what it's called odds are we're not gonna reply to it no so our first message is from tommy uh it's their birthday happy birthday tommy what are your most memorable birthday stories oh well it's got to be the time that my mom uh inflated what i mean i would i must man i must have been

Starting point is 00:41:26 i must have been like four it's one of my earliest memories i was really young wow but it felt like hundreds of helium balloons uh filled our house like like the entire ceiling it felt like to me as a small i mean maybe it wasn't that many if you're an adult, but it felt to me like our whole house, which was a very small, like low-income housing. It was in a development called Ladner Willows back at the time. I think it's changed names now, I'm not sure. But it felt like the whole house was full of balloons

Starting point is 00:41:57 with streamers down. And so it was like walking through a forest of like balloon tails. And I could pull on them and like move them around and stuff. That's, that's one of my, that's one of my earliest memories. And it's one of my favorite birthday memories. That's cool. For me, for pretty much all my birthdays in high school, we used to have land parties at my parents' house.

Starting point is 00:42:22 And I mean, we did it, we did it basically every weekend regardless, but we would go like extra hard on birthdays. And there was one year where we had a Halo tournament set up and we had a whole like ladder and everything. And it was awesome. There was teams. It was really cool. And we had one team playing out in the garage

Starting point is 00:42:42 and one team playing in the house every time. And we had the Xboxes network together so that there was no screen peaking or anything. But you could hear each other yelling at each other because we'd leave the door open. You know how that's always so fun. Oh, it's the greatest part. And it ended the whole tournament ended with one person with a I don't remember if it was a rocket launcher or a shotgun. And I know the other person had a sword and they both came around the corner on each other and both like did their attack action

Starting point is 00:43:10 at the same time and no one was really sure exactly what happened until the board came up so cool house just absolutely erupted it like it was awesome and then after that we we grabbed like a bunch of lids to these big containers that we had. We went to the local skate park, and it was all snowy. And we went down the ramps in the skate park on lids as if they were sleds. Nice. It was just chaos. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:37 I love it. But in the best of ways. Man, you didn't play Worms Armageddon with us at the last land night. You missed out. Bell, were you in that game? Yes. That was freaking crazy. I heard you guys roaring.

Starting point is 00:43:50 Well, we barely know how to play because for most of us, we've either never played or it's been 20 years. Right? So it was down to through just sheer ridiculousness because no one knows what they're doing. Sure. It was down to me and who was still playing at that point i forget was it uh i think it was a new lab person one

Starting point is 00:44:12 yeah i think it was one of the new labs people yeah i know who it was yeah yeah okay so i screwed up my finisher like we just had two worms left one. I screwed up my finisher and it was over. And then he screwed up his finisher. And like no one could believe it. And then what happened on the last shot or something? Didn't I miss? But then somehow it managed to like kill him anyway or something like anyway.

Starting point is 00:44:40 There's a lot of ways something like that works. It was amazing, man. And there's just something about that atmosphere. Because in, okay, Fall Guys, for example. It has to be in person to a certain degree. Fall Guys is a perfect example of a multiplayer game, a party type game, where as soon as you're knocked out, you are completely disengaged from the game.

Starting point is 00:44:59 But that doesn't happen at a LAN because you have nowhere else to go and nothing else to do. So everyone turns into spectators. So when you play a seven person match i think it was seven six or seven i can't remember you play a six person match and you've got everyone who's still who's out of it going just like just just exploding when something crazy happens you can't beat that environment yeah and there's stuff like like one thing that i think led to the hype of that is we often have these halo lands usually they we didn't bother like hook everything up in the garage and stuff though so it was all inside and usually it was on just

Starting point is 00:45:37 one tv so there's a lot of screen peaking and it wasn't as serious this time we had them separated teams were apart your team was figured out way ahead of time if you made it to the finals you made it through like multiple other teams so you guys were like working on strategies and stuff like it actually got like pretty serious it's really cool i don't know i i deeply miss that atmosphere because that's uh not a thing that is as easy to do anymore because everyone just wants to stay home but i also have another birthday memory that i should probably talk about the first year that yvonne and i were together for my birthday she got me i mean this was the moment when i had to know that this was forever i know this one okay she bought me was this year one or year two i can't remember exactly which year but she's clearly my soulmate she went out with me and she either did i pay for it did she pay for

Starting point is 00:46:33 it didn't matter the point was we went out and got me for my birthday an air conditioner a window mounted air conditioning unit the one i thought it was This was my birthday. I'd have to check the year, but she went out and bought me a window-mounted air conditioner, helped me tear it down, and helped me get started building my chiller, which was my sub-zero cooler

Starting point is 00:46:58 for my, I guess it would have been an Optron 165 back then or something like that. It was either that or E6600 era. I can't remember. The point is any woman who will do that for you, you got to hold on to that. This must have been later.

Starting point is 00:47:15 Yeah, it being later makes complete sense, but I thought you were talking about the case. TJ07 was after. Must have been after. Yeah, I can't remember the timing. Timelines make more sense for it to be after, I think. Did I work at NCIX yet at that time? Maybe not.

Starting point is 00:47:34 No, I think Chillers first. I think TJ-07 is later because that's when I was at NCIX. So I think TJ-07 might be like year two or three. And the HD-555s are very early on, but that's NCIX. So HD555s might have been year two, TGO7 year three. And then, I mean, can you tell that this lady like takes care of me?

Starting point is 00:47:54 Man. So yeah. It's pretty cool. Putting together, and I mean, more took it apart than put it together. But my first sub-zero CPU cooler was definitely a super memorable super memorable birthday for me that's sweet uh i don't have a ton of time left should we finish

Starting point is 00:48:13 topics or should we do more merch messages oh i i okay bell do you want to just uh why don't i do a quick topic and you can go through and see if there's anything that's uh directed at luke so we can make sure we get to that right away. Elon Musk has put the Twitter deal on hold over fake account details. This morning, Musk tweeted, Twitter deal temporarily on hold, pending details supporting calculation that spam fake accounts do indeed represent

Starting point is 00:48:39 less than 5% of users. He linked a Reuters article describing a Twitter filing which estimated that fake slash spam accounts represented fewer than 5% of the platform's monetizable daily active users during Q1 of 2022.

Starting point is 00:48:57 We've sort of talked about this on the show. This came up a few weeks back where I mentioned or one of us mentioned, who knows, that it had very recently, like right before the acquisition announcement come out because of all this stuff that was going on, that they had a lot more fake users than they thought.

Starting point is 00:49:15 Elon replied to his own tweet with, still committed to the acquisition, but analysts are speculating that Musk could be seeking to renegotiate the price or even walk away from the takeover i mean if i was him i'd be walking away from the takeover i saw i did my blessings at the same time i did not verify the numbers um but i saw a hilarious tweet that was basically like cost to start tesla one and a half billion cost to start Tesla, $1.5 billion. Cost to start SpaceX, $2 billion. Cost to take over stupid social media platform, $44 billion.

Starting point is 00:49:51 It's really not looking like his best move right now. Twitter's share price, which was already selling for less than the $54.20 per share that Musk offered, plunged 10% Friday morning following the tweets. And this is only the latest instance of Musk causing wild shifts in share prices with tweets. Now this is a random thought, just sort of unrelated to Willy Wonty. Seeing the positive response to Elon's commitment to authenticate all humans

Starting point is 00:50:21 on Twitter. Yeah. I mean, have you noticed how positive the internet has been around that? Like as an effort to reduce spam, reduce bots. But are you not reminded

Starting point is 00:50:32 of the time Google tried to do this with Google Plus and how angry everyone was about it? They tried to do it with Google Plus. They tried to do it with YouTube. Facebook tried to do it. And every single time people are mad. But now all of a sudden, Elon Musk wants to do it. And every single time people are mad. But now all of a sudden Elon Musk wants to do it.

Starting point is 00:50:48 And I feel like the backlash is way less. I do think Twitter is a little different. This is one time where I'll kind of side with the Twitter side of things, where I usually go on the other side. I do think Twitter is a little different. I think the standard approach for most people on Twitter is to go with a very personalized public profile with their name or whatever else. And you can be authenticated on Twitter without your name being there. I believe the Google Plus stuff, like when they did it to YouTube comments, it became your name.

Starting point is 00:51:19 Your full name, yes. Yeah. So I don't think that's going to be a thing on Twitter. But what's the point of a verification process if it doesn't verify your name? I don't think it's verifying your name, though. Yeah, but you're still... It's verifying that this is an official account

Starting point is 00:51:35 for whatever it represents. I see. So the Linus Tech Tips account wouldn't have to become like... Linus Sebastian corporate Twitter account. It would be able to say Linus Tech Tips. Sure, okay. So if you were representing a... Linus Sebastian corporate Twitter account. It would be able to say Linus Tech Tips. Sure. Okay. So if you were representing a...

Starting point is 00:51:48 But Google Plus allowed entity accounts as well. Did it? I don't know. Yeah, it did. Okay. So I don't know. I think this might be one of those things where a lot of people are in an

Starting point is 00:52:02 anything but what we have mentality because verification right now is just fundamentally broken. I mean, is it one of those things where a lot of people are in an anything but what we have mentality because verification right now is just fundamentally broken i mean is it just is it one of those things where they just hadn't spent enough time on youtube to understand that verified human users on youtube was a positive thing i mean think about where we'd be today with youtube platform spam if we had all just submitted to our google overlords 10 years ago i don't i look i'm not i'm saying i don't be less spam i don't okay sure i'm not saying submitting to our google overlords i don't like that argument because they have done such a bad job of it when we know that like they

Starting point is 00:52:38 could be doing community projects from like theo joe yeah yeah are incredibly outperforming this like billion dollar company's efforts like no they just don't care and have put no work into it and could solve the problem but art they were busy removing dislikes and i don't think that we need to like give up our whatever in order for anything we should have to give up anything for them to accomplish this. Like, just, ugh. How is it even possible that every permutation of the word WhatsApp cannot just be with one button removed from your comment section? These scams work. I've had not one, but two people

Starting point is 00:53:17 in the last week alone, maybe two weeks, but either tweet at me or DM me saying, hey, what happened to that GPU I won? Or like someone was salty about like me and Shroud ripping them off. And I was like. This literally never happened.

Starting point is 00:53:35 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, there was a, I was looking through the comments of the last WAN show and there was a few that I expanded because there was a reply and I'm like,

Starting point is 00:53:43 oh, I wonder what people think about this comment. And almost every time it was one reply and it was just a bot. Yep. With like, the thing that I never understand is why someone would think if they're like, copy the URL that is my profile name or whatever. And then it's just like totally broken up. Like that is literally never legit and that would be the weirdest way to do that but we aren't going to shame those people oh that's fair because it's

Starting point is 00:54:12 better to talk about it and educate no that's true okay yeah i'm on board wow hold on a second what i i think you were the hot take and i was the level-headed one we did it we came full circle i i'm having a moment here oh man but yeah i don't know it's it's rampant it It's like... It feels like... You know when you go to some weird website and there just happens to be a comment section? You're like, I don't know why this has a comment section, but it does. And it's just bots talking to each other? YouTube comments actively feels like that.

Starting point is 00:54:55 It really does. It's really awful. It's crazy. It's awful right now. Yeah. Okay, Bell, do you want to hit us? Yeah, just one message before we go into merge messages uh the auctions so far have raised over eleven thousand dollars so you'll be matching quite a lot good and they're still open and there is a new gpu added as well so make sure to check out the link in all of the descriptions oh okay so just to, we're talking about the auction for fundraising for supporting Ukraine charity thing, Ivan. So you might remember Ivan, formerly of HERE and NCIX. So we've worked together a couple of times actually, has donated his extensive GPU collection. We're going to have that linked in the video description. And

Starting point is 00:55:45 the proceeds are going to help... What was the specific organization? CRUD. SOS Children's Villages. Thank you. Thank you very much, Bell. And then last week, I impromptu committed to matching the total donation

Starting point is 00:56:01 amount. So once all of those auctions are completed and paid for, I will match the total donation amount so once all of those auctions are completed and paid for I will match the total amount and I talked to Yvonne about that and that is now actually approved which is good because when I say I'm going to do stuff and I don't actually check with the controller of the purse strings

Starting point is 00:56:17 that's bad and we're at our limit of like how many items we can list this month or something but next month i've actually contributed one more special gpu remember these i also know where that's from only a handful of these were ever made these are star wars editions of the nvidia titan xp and this is the galactic empire version so we'll be doing one more one after. Awesome.

Starting point is 00:56:49 From Edward, are there any things that you collect as a hobby? Don't really collect stuff. I like the idea of collecting. I went to Willow Video for the first time this week. I had never been there before. It the idea of collecting. You know, I went to Willow Video for the first time this week. It's kind of cool. I had never been there before.

Starting point is 00:57:07 It's kind of amazing. Yeah. I actually really like that store. I picked up some 3D Blu-rays. We did a video on 3D TVs this week. Just like, you know, WTF happened to 3D TVs video. We got our hands on the best 3D TV

Starting point is 00:57:24 ever made. The LG LG signature G6. It sounds like it probably would be. What's really cool about it is that every 3d Blu-ray is 1080p because 3d 4k never really happened. 4k happened after 3d and they just, 3d was already kind of dead. So this TV is 4k and it has a polarization film on every other vertical line. So what it means is you can use passive glasses. So there's no shutters.

Starting point is 00:57:51 And because the content is 1080p, but the panel is 4K, it can actually show full quality, full vertical resolution, 1080p images at the same time offset like it might actually not be a trash experience by only one pixel and it was so awesome and i'd forgotten how cool it was done well the shutter glasses suck that i started looking into it and um i realized that with this product from HD Fury, I want to say, you can actually play back 3D Blu-rays into this splitter that will then split each frame-packed alternating frame, the right and left frame, out to two different projectors, put polarizing filters on them,

Starting point is 00:58:38 and I want to do a 3D theater at home. You can do that? Yeah. The reason we went to Willow Video in the first place was because we didn't have any good 3d content we had titanic which was early awful 2d to 3d conversion sounds about right it was just headache inducing right and we wanted some animated films so we're like where are we gonna go willow video they had a great selection they had almost the entire mcu in 3d i was so close to buying it i settled on just some animated films because they tend to translate best yeah and it just it got me

Starting point is 00:59:12 kind of jazzed and excited because it's going to be a really fun project anyway so i don't remember where i'm going with this story anymore but i went to willow video it's as amazing as you said right i like the idea of collecting so i saw all the Marvel movies in 3D and I was like, I should collect these. And I picked them all up and I went, I don't need these. I put them down. And that's always my thing. I have a copy of Super Mario RPG for SNES because Anthony was at Willow Video and texted me and was like, hey, it's actually a pretty good price for a CIB.

Starting point is 00:59:44 I know you've wanted one of these for a long time. Do you want it? And I was like, impulse buy, yes. I probably just sent you a shelf somewhere. I'm not going to buy another one. Yeah. Like, I'm not going to, I really want to copy Final Fantasy 3. But anyway, I'm not, 6, but 3, because it's NAS in North America.

Starting point is 01:00:06 So I just, I don't know, I just, I have not six, but three because it's NAS in North America. So I just, I don't know. I just, I have trouble with it. Like I just, I like the idea of it. And I'm like, this is cool. And like when people have cool collections, I'm like, wow, that's so cool. But I just, I don't get it. I don't derive any joy from just like looking at my stuff, I guess. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:23 It's tough i personally appreciate more like uh mementos or reminders of like things that i have done or been a part of or whatever those have more meaning to me than purchase collectibles sure yeah so i still i still have a bunch of like i have a lot of the passes from shows that we've gone to i have like little things from from stuff that i've ever done personally or professionally from like pretty much my whole life and i like those things i don't want to get rid of those yeah i have i have like a memento box and i actually have a place at the new house that i'm going to put them so i have a shelf behind where i'm going to be streaming that's got rgb illumination on each shelf and so i'll be able to put like all my stuff there that's pretty cool uh don't well we'll look at that later from Joshua love the PC

Starting point is 01:01:12 build guide the last one you'll ever need are there any other ideas or plans for other long form build guides nope absolutely not that took like four months and the good news is that it is completely rocket shipping for us now it started out kind of slow which was really really discouraging and is now at the point where it's it's broken free from from gravity's pull and is is headed straight to orbit so i'm i'm really happy with how it turned out but the thing you guys got to understand is that content like that is not sustainable on the platform so like look at this okay here's the here's the raw numbers okay 2.8 million views so you can see this really broke through what our typical view range is, which is this gray band here. It did drive some new subscribers, not nearly as much as we'd like to see with

Starting point is 01:02:12 content like that. I would want to see this double with this kind of view count, but we've really struggled to drive new subscribers lately. I'm not sure exactly why compared to our peaks were like one sixth of our daily rate or something like that right now, even though all the new content is generating net new subscribers. This watch time, this is monstrous. And that's why you're seeing these crazy revenue numbers on it. But even with these revenue numbers, even with the Seasonic dedicated sponsorship, this was such a colossally expensive video to produce that while we did come out okay on this one, I would not be looking to make a bet like that again. And no, that wasn't in a month.

Starting point is 01:02:57 When did it come out? Did it come out in a month? I'm not sure. Yeah, in a month. People are like 11k in a month. Nice. Okay. Okay. Yes. month. People are like 11 K in a month. Nice. Okay. Okay.

Starting point is 01:03:05 Yes. Yes. That's really nice, but it was really expensive to make. That's not net. That's gross. So you got to be careful with that. From William.

Starting point is 01:03:21 My son loves the ABCs of gaming book and plushie so much. And the photos are very cute. Oh, this is so cute. They actually included them in their son's six-month photo shoot. That is adorable. I love it. Thank you for sharing that with me. Any dad tips for someone new to fatherhood?

Starting point is 01:03:42 I mean, other than just try really hard all the time and by the time they get to about six months, be aware that they're playing you. Okay? You gotta understand, just because they can't talk, just because they don't speak English or whatever language you speak, that doesn't mean that they are not homo sapiens.

Starting point is 01:04:00 They are f***ing smart, okay? And they are basically playing you From the moment they can like make eye contact To the moment that you kick them out of your house Probably still after that Yeah probably Probably still after that

Starting point is 01:04:16 And I don't mean that in like a bad way I just mean you have to respect them You have to understand that these are highly Highly intelligent creatures And you have to understand that these are highly, highly intelligent creatures. And you have to be consistent, right? Because they will look for every gap in your armor and they will exploit it. And most importantly, they will look for the gaps between you and your SO,

Starting point is 01:04:37 assuming that you're raising the child with an SO. Interesting. That makes sense. That's the big one. Yeah. They will find those gaps and they will exploit them if mom always gives in to you know video games before

Starting point is 01:04:49 dinner and dad always gives in to treats before dinner then they're gonna go to mom and ask for video games they're gonna go to dad and ask for treats and the parents are gonna come in they're gonna be eating treats playing video games and you're gonna be like what is going on here

Starting point is 01:05:04 they're gonna look for it makes sense are going to come in. They're going to be eating treats, playing video games, and you're going to be like, what is going on here? They're going to look for it. Makes sense. Hold on. Nats01 says, my dad calls me the gift that keeps on receiving. I love it. That's pretty good. The thing that gets me is when we play games with little man,

Starting point is 01:05:22 the speed at which he adapts to things oh yeah their brains are actually wired better than ours because like they're not solidified yet there's experience there's wisdom is and there's whatever else but there's also the rate that he's catching up and it's like mind-blowing

Starting point is 01:05:41 oh boy okay yeah it's a little spooky from micah warrior guys's first big tech purchase do you still have it today or do you have immediate buyer's remorse mineral pc don't have it today no buyer's remorse yeah my first big one would have been my first... I didn't pay for my Discman, I don't think. I don't know if you can call like a fish tank and some oil a tech purchase because I already had all the computer components, but whatever, I'm counting it. Yeah, my first gaming computer.

Starting point is 01:06:16 I don't have it, but I did do a build, like replicating it a little while ago. I did do a video about it. I wouldn't have any use for it today. Kind of, you know, sucks sucks that's the thing about tech i wish i still had my snes that wasn't a purchase i lost that when i moved that was a gift though i wish i still had it but i don't so no no i guess it's all gone from ryan i'm preparing to make a change from a standalone headset to a deck amp and headphone combo do you have any recommendations on brands or models for a first-timer?

Starting point is 01:06:48 Nope. Go talk to people who specialize in that or come back in like a year. We've got someone hired already who's working away on our test suite for the lab on all of that stuff, but we're not ready to publish anything, so I'm out. I'm out. We should do, should we do one more time oh wait you have to go now right let's do are you out i i have a little bit more time i can fire through one more topic then i have to go okay or some merch messages and then we should

Starting point is 01:07:14 pick something we should pick something cool is there anything specifically for luke i don't think there was bye-bye ipod sure did you ever have an iPod no me neither my brother did I feel like I missed out I don't oh okay well that's a controversial take um hit me I uh

Starting point is 01:07:36 I don't know when they first came out they were really expensive oh yeah like especially for the stage in life that I was at like there was no way i think i was like first year university or so when when ipods really started popping off so that would have been 2005 because when did they come out oh no no they must have been earlier than that when did the first ipod come out it was later than that later than that. Or maybe it was later than that. 2001! Okay, so it was significantly later than that that the first person at my school

Starting point is 01:08:08 Nobody at my school had an iPod. So that's what it, yeah. I think the first person at my school to get one was probably closer to like 2006. There was one guy with a mini disc player. Everyone else was still on discmans.

Starting point is 01:08:23 I don't think I had a discman either it just it seemed especially when the ipod was like when people cared about it you know a lot i i just kept looking at it being like there's no i don't have a phone yet like i'm not gonna buy this portable music player um especially when like a lot of the i don't know a lot of the physical activity that i did at that time would would have been while i was wearing helmets like i'm not it's not gonna 400 us dollars at that time with a five gigabyte hard drive yeah like there's no way in 2001 it was a hard drive and i remember back then thinking that's really stupid i don't want that so my first mp3 player was in high school i must have been in grade 10 i was either in grade 10 or 11 and it was an rca lira cool uh i got the

Starting point is 01:09:16 the 64 gig version because i could not afford the 128 gig version it just was not worth the extra money and it looked a little something like this this yeah okay right here it held under an album worth of songs at like reasonable quality you could put a whole album on if you were willing to really uh pick the quality a little bit. But that served my purposes once I was ready to retire my Discman. And I don't really have any regrets about that. I was and actually still am the kind of person that only really listens to a handful of songs at a time. So the way I handle it now is I just add things to my likes, the automatic playlist in YouTube music. I just like things. And then whenever I want to listen to music, I'll just start playing that playlist.

Starting point is 01:10:11 And by the time it makes it through the stuff I've added recently that I am enjoying listening to right now, then I'll probably be done driving wherever it is I'm driving or cleaning up whatever room it is I'm cleaning up and I'm ready to move on. Like I don't I remember thinking at the time how could

Starting point is 01:10:28 I possibly have a thousand songs that I need to have at my fingertips and then now we've come so far from there hundreds of thousands of songs at your fingertips at some point in time I had a creative zen never I never did what did I use

Starting point is 01:10:44 then I had my Lyra but the creative zen that i got i specifically remember it was like 30 bucks like it was it was very out of date when i bought it it was like yeah i listened to a lot of radio back then me too yeah huh i didn't even really think about that yeah no i just didn't really have an MP3 player until I got an iPhone. iPhone 4. Yep. If I remember correctly...

Starting point is 01:11:15 I would sit at my computer. Wow, I didn't even think about this. I would sit at my computer and listen to my Napster. Downloaded MP3s. And then if you were out. I had CDs too. No, I had a CD player in my room. I had my, I got my brother's.

Starting point is 01:11:33 No, I ripped them. Okay, I'm confused. Oh, I think my brother went away to university. Maybe that's why I got it. I don't remember. Yeah. He had like a boom box. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:11:41 Yeah, me too. So I got his of that, but I never had my own. That's crazy. Yeah. I'm like thinking back got his of that, but I never had my own. That's crazy. Yeah. I'm like thinking back to that summer I painted my parents' house. Like, yeah, I was listening to the hybrid theory on a boombox. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:11:53 Huh. That's probably it for me. I got to bounce here. All right. See you later. Okay. Oh, I guess I didn't really like talk about the topic. So 20 years of production, Apple ended one of its most iconic nameplates,

Starting point is 01:12:05 the iPod. Only in the subtitle do they mention that the iPod Touch will be available while supplies last. It is apparently already sold out.

Starting point is 01:12:12 They talked about the spirit of the iPod and how it lives on in Apple Music integration across the current products from iPhone to HomePod Mini and Apple Music. And here are some

Starting point is 01:12:20 iPod facts for you. Thank you. Thanks to Jonathan Horst. The first iPod came out on October 23rd, 2001 as a minor launch. It had a mechanical click wheel, five gigs of storage,

Starting point is 01:12:30 a full-size FireWire port, and cost, this says only, truly an Apple perspective, cost only $399 US dollars. The iPod burst in popularity after Apple released iTunes for Windows. Glass of water in hell. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 01:12:46 Yep. And the iPod mini at $249, reaching a much wider audience. Yeah, that was the other issue, was the early non-hard drive based iPods just felt not sensible in terms of how much storage I could put on and how much storage they had for the price at a later stage of my life where I had a much larger music library. Yeah. And it mentions here that it peaked in popularity around 2008. That lines up because I was thinking like, yeah, it was like 2006, 2007. I saw the first one in my school. Yeah. So I don't know.

Starting point is 01:13:14 The last click wheel iPod classic was discontinued in 2014. That recently? That's interesting. If you're interested in iPod content Check out Dankpods Or Garbage Time on Flowplane Anyways that's it See you later Luke

Starting point is 01:13:32 I'm still going to stick around To do a few merch messages here Because people are apparently Eating up those stealth pants As well as the screwdriver shirt So I definitely got some more stuff to talk about Oh crap Um I think Yvonne took my car as the screwdriver shirt so I definitely got some more stuff to talk about oh crap um

Starting point is 01:13:46 I think Yvonne took my car and Luke was going to be my ride today so that's pretty funny I guess I will Uber home now we know you can pay me to drive you home I don't actually know how that works to be perfectly honest with you,

Starting point is 01:14:05 because it's not really your job. All right, what are we doing now? Well, we have a question from Tatton. How do you feel the opening of Lab 2 and testing will affect sponsors and ads? Do you feel like that will create a conflict of interest? The way that I see it is the harder we go with labs, and the more we lean into empirical data, the more precious a sponsorship on LTT is going to become. Because as soon as you start rejecting more of your sponsors, you can increase the rates for the ones that remain. Because like I've talked about so many times in the past, it all comes down to our most valuable commodity, which is the trust that we maintain with our viewers.

Starting point is 01:14:47 So yeah, we're probably going to lose some sponsors. I mean, stuff happens, right? You call out someone who previously sponsored you. I think a perfect example would be someone like an NVIDIA and someone gets salty and they don't work with you anymore and it's like, okay. And eventually that person will move on. At nvidia i have a pretty good idea who it is i think they're pretty high

Starting point is 01:15:11 up and it's not going to happen anytime soon it's fine i can wait i'm younger than them um and it's just going to be a cycle right because the thing that people i think a lot of people Because the thing that people, I think a lot of people miss is that companies are made up of people. And so people come and people go and people have different approaches. And we used to be a lot more conservative, I think, in the way that we engaged with companies. Like we used to worry more about what they thought. And nowadays, the way that we see it, we just need to do whatever is right for our viewers and the companies that understand that and respect that are going to engage with us and they're going to get access to that that

Starting point is 01:15:54 relationship we built with our viewers and the ones that don't understand that and want to try and play games are not going to get access and it's's really just that simple. From Magni, what are your thoughts on the ever-increasing power consumption of top-end GPUs, especially with the rumors of the 4090 drawing up to 600 watts or more? I feel like I'm painting myself

Starting point is 01:16:22 into a corner here. What I want to say is we're reaching a practical limit. And I feel like I'm painting myself into a corner here. What I want to say is we're reaching a practical limit. And I feel like this is one of those situations where it's like, you know, you can go back and six, seven, eight years ago, there's clips of me on land shows saying,

Starting point is 01:16:37 yeah, crypto, you're never going to be able to buy anything real with Bitcoin, right? Like I'm 64 kilobytes of Ram ought to be enough for anyone or whatever that that misattributed quote is. It's possible. I'd like to think that we're only really going to see that in in crazy, like gigantic multi-die data center products. products but i don't know i don't know man there's there's this never-ending appetite for higher and higher performance gaming solutions right and display resolutions we're all you can already buy a display today right that cannot be driven by any modern GPU and probably not comfortably driven by the next generation of GPUs.

Starting point is 01:17:28 We have new interfaces coming. DisplayPort 2.0 is right around the corner that are going to be able to drive those kinds of resolutions at high refresh rates. We are three, four generations of product away from being able to play a AAA game today at 8K 120 FPS. So with that in mind, I don't think it's impossible that we will keep seeing companies chasing these higher and higher and higher total graphics power consumption numbers. I'd like to say we're capped out, but nothing's impossible.

Starting point is 01:18:06 I mean, Intel. Okay, Intel. You want to find a more conservative... You want, like, okay. I wanted to say something along the lines of you won't find a more conservative blue company, but IBM. Might actually take the cake there. But Intel intel hyper conservative

Starting point is 01:18:26 and yet they released that weird peltier uh cooler that where they partnered with um ek and cooler master right so clearly nothing's off the table anymore from emerald coco what's your favorite Saturday morning cartoon growing up, and how much do you miss it? Saturday morning cartoons. Man, there was a lot of Looney Tunes reruns when I was a kid.

Starting point is 01:18:56 Favorite, though. I love the theme song of the Casper the Friendly Ghost show, but it almost always, it was one of those variety ones like um oh what's the one I I don't remember but there there were a handful of ones where it was like sketches and you know I almost never got to see the the characters that I liked from the intro so Saturday morning cartoons, I don't even remember. I was never an Animaniacs kid.

Starting point is 01:19:25 I can tell you that much. Not into that. Hopefully chat. Chat can help me out here a little bit. Yeah, DuckTales was awesome. Still like DuckTales. DuckTales is an amazing show. Dexter's Lab. Yeah, Dexter's Lab. I don't enjoy that much. I don't enjoy anymore as an adult, but I did like it when I was a kid. Didn't watch Doug. Didn't get into Sonic the Hedgehog. Reboot was okay. You know, maybe I just didn't watch Saturday morning cartoons that much. Samurai Pizza Cats was one of those shows I just didn't really understand. I just didn't really get it. I've always had that experience when I try to watch anime-style shows. I've been told there are some ones that as an adult I might really enjoy.

Starting point is 01:20:14 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, yeah, like I saw a handful of episodes. I'm trying to think. I don't think we had cable at either of my parents' houses at that point in my life. So that definitely put a damper on how much Saturday morning cartoons I could watch, but I had video games, right? I had my SNES at my,

Starting point is 01:20:29 at my dad's house. Yeah. Shout out reboot Canadian show. So good. I remember the animation being a lot better than it was. It's rough. Yeah. I had a look at it recently.

Starting point is 01:20:41 I was like, whoa, it's pretty bad. From Dakota and quite a few different people uh any updated thoughts on the steam deck with their continued updates like 40 hertz uh as well as the windows drivers are going so hard i'm so impressed with valve's apparent commitment to the steam deck they were clearly not done out of the gate. And it's everything from performance improvements to fan profile improvements to quality of life improvements. And I got to say, at the rate that they're going right now, my original review, like the Steam Deck is going

Starting point is 01:21:17 to be unrecognizable in a year compared to what you guys saw. And that's without them changing any of the hardware. So I'm, all I got to say is kudos valve. I want to see more, but you're doing a great job. Keep it up. From Noah. Do you think it's possible that desktop OS systems could eventually replace Android and iOS with this move to desktop processors being the same as what's

Starting point is 01:21:41 in mobile processors? No, I don't foresee that. And I think it's more likely that we're going to see, like we've seen on on macOS, I think it's more likely that we're going to see mobile first architectures make their way into desktop applications, or I mean, they're all they've already made huge inroads in the enterprise. x86, I don't know, was very reliant on Moore's Law, was reliant on the transistors just shrinking so that the chips would just get cheaper and cheaper and cheaper

Starting point is 01:22:16 so they could maintain all that legacy as they added new features and added more performance. Whereas whether you want to talk ARM or you want to talk RISC-V, they don't have that baggage. And I think that if we're talking in the long term, we're talking 10, 20, 30 years, it's just going to be really tough. From Justice, I'm running a 3080 and an i9-9900K. Looking at the numbers, I'm thinking about going to 12th gen. Do you think the performance would be noticeable? The performance increase will be noticeable, but whether it will be noticeable in a way that actually makes you a better gamer,

Starting point is 01:22:50 for example, is an entirely different ball of wax. I mean, the cool thing about tools like NVIDIA's FrameView, for example, or even just the FPS counter that they have in their GeForce Experience dashboard, is that everyone has access to benchmarking tools for free, included with their GPU, that were maybe broadly available in the form of something like Fraps back in the day, but not necessarily as easy to use or as intuitive, because you had to actually go install a separate third-party application. So what you should do is you should have a look

Starting point is 01:23:28 at the games you play, at the resolution that you play at, the details that you want to see, and figure it out. Do you actually need more performance? And if you do, should you be waiting for the upcoming RDNA 3 and RTX, whatever it ends up being called, maybe 40 series, that's supposed to be coming sometime this year? Maybe you have an unlimited budget.

Starting point is 01:23:51 Maybe you could afford to do both. But given that you're asking if it's worth it, I would say that you do not. Oh, you have a G9 Neo. Oh, good gravy. I'd say you're going to be more GPU limited. You should wait for a GPU. 9900K is still a darn fast chip.

Starting point is 01:24:10 From Benjamin, I love the idea of a tech link for gaming. Do you have any ideas on what content you can imagine that show covering? Oh, yeah. I mean, I could see us covering game development news. I could see us doing a lot more coverage of things like consoles.

Starting point is 01:24:26 It's something that we touch on on TechLinked, but TechLinked can never really afford to be a deeper dive into really any vertical. So if we were to do something like a gaming-focused version of a TechLinked-like show, I think it would just be more depth. I'd love to see us cover things like speed running news, right? That stuff that just does not make the grade for TechLinked

Starting point is 01:24:51 because it doesn't have that mainstream appeal. But it is something that even if a gaming version of TechLinked is only going to get half the viewership per episode of TechLinked, I think it could still be very sustainable and we could shine more light on the events in those kinds of communities

Starting point is 01:25:10 or talk about things like... There's been a lot of discussion around things like burnout in the games development industry. These are things that I think we'd like to cover more. From Ty. Hi, Linus. like to cover more. From Ty. Hi, Linus. Long time fan. Hi, Ty. I currently own two HP ProLiant server racks

Starting point is 01:25:30 outfitted with multiple servers. I'm in the process of moving and wonder if you have any advice on how to move my servers and hard drives. Your hard drives should be boxed up in foam boxes like they were shipped in, and then they should be ideally hand-carried. You really want to reduce vibration.

Starting point is 01:25:46 The last thing you want to do is put them on a cart with hard wheels and roll them across a parking lot because there's a whole story there. It's bad. Vibration is a hard drive killer. Other than making sure that they're well padded, I can tell you that one thing I would like to do if I was you is have a copy of the data that is not in transit on these hard drives I don't know how doable that will be for you

Starting point is 01:26:14 but that's the safest way and then when I get to the other side I would like to run tests I would like to run at the very least smart tests on these drives to validate that they are in fact still working before I put my data onto them all. The data will still be there, but before I rely on them again. From Carlos and quite a few people in chats, any updates on the short circuit hoodie that you're aware of? Oh, I can get you that actually. One moment, please. Short circuit.

Starting point is 01:26:50 I just need to check Nick's weekly check-in. Nick, run rate report. Okay, so here's the one from the week of May 1st. This is from last week. Short circuit hoodie says, I believe they are shipping out this week, is Nick's update for me on that. And Gmail just signed me out.

Starting point is 01:27:10 Thank you very much for that. But I did get you guys the update. Awesome. From Dylan, do you think NVIDIA will have a response to the GX50 GPUs just released by AMD or are they just going to wait until the 40 series? I mean, they already launched the 3090 Ti. If NVIDIA were going to respond in any meaningful way,

Starting point is 01:27:35 I would think it might be a price adjustment. I don't think we're going to see another product launch, honestly. From Carl. You mentioned on a previous WAN show that LMG wants to create a wall from fan-colored GPU Wasteland postcards. Any updates? Have we received any back? I haven't received an update on that. We have definitely

Starting point is 01:27:55 received some back, so I would strongly encourage you guys to choose the GPU Wasteland postcard and send it to us. But we have not begun integrating them into a wall i do know that nick has some he's shown them to me but i haven't seen i haven't seen any other than like the first five or so that were sent over it's gonna be super cool from luther how did you get into motorcycling and what's your favorite motorcycle related memory oh my my dad had a bike so he would take me on the back of it sometimes and

Starting point is 01:28:26 that seemed pretty fun and cool and i um i got my i got some help buying my first bike from an old colleague who actually you might know from the roast taran not not the not the taran video editor who uh used to work here but tararon, my old boss at NCIX, he helped me pick out a starter bike and pointed me in the direction of a good course to make sure that I was learning to ride safely. I guess he didn't want his underling to end up as roadkill any sooner than I absolutely had to.

Starting point is 01:28:59 And, Yvonne, we're just about wrapped. Apparently, Yvonne did not leave without me, which is excellent because Luke cannot give me a ride today. I'm not getting paid. Hey, do you want to come join me? Okay, Yvonne's joining me. She'll be here soon. Wait, what now?

Starting point is 01:29:18 Okay, cool. Uh, yeah. So, I got to ride on a bike as a a kid and then my old boss helped me buy one and i i guess that's i guess that's about it what am i joining you for um well the first thing you're going to do is move a little closer to the mic these are super super near field and you might need to adjust where it is because it's for luke yeah from connor it has been great to see the LTT team grow over the years. From personal experience, can it be hard to keep a constant vision,

Starting point is 01:29:50 consistent vision with such a large creative team? Ooh. Yes. I mean, the big one is that early on, I had very direct control over every piece of content. Like I would write or at least oversee pretty much every element of it. And then as soon as it got to the point where I would be busy filming tomorrow's video while today's was being edited, and I couldn't even look at the edit until it was pretty much done, I had to concede a whole bunch of control. And then it's kind of

Starting point is 01:30:23 slipped away and slipped away and slipped away and slipped away to the point where now, instead of saying what words, instead of dictating what words we're gonna say and what we're gonna show on the screen, it's more like, here are general guiding principles for what our content should look like. And then now we've gotten to the point

Starting point is 01:30:39 where those general guiding principles come from like our executive management team instead of from me. And then if I see something that's gone totally off the rails then I might step in and call for a course correction well I think it depends which department you're talking about though because if you're talking about the writing department for LTT you're still like the content manager you're scheduling and planning that content yes other people are bringing ideas you're also still reviewing every single script no not every not every script. Not anymore? No.

Starting point is 01:31:11 For example, I hosted a video moments before this WAN show that was, I worked on the skeleton with Alex. So I did kind of lay out what the structure of the video was, what I envisioned that it was going to be. But Alex wrote it, Anthony reviewed it, and I showed up and it was on the prompter. And now, obviously, I'm not going to read something that I don't agree with. I think that's something that's a more recent change though. I mean, that is something we're trying to transition to is not having you on

Starting point is 01:31:32 everything, but I think it depends on the department for sure. From Corey. Love you guys. Can't wait to get shirts and stickers. Do you have any favorite TV or streaming shows right now? Oh man. Are you going to, are they asking TV or streaming shows right now? Oh, man. Are they asking you

Starting point is 01:31:48 or are they asking me? I don't know. Oh, the people love you, Yvonne. They want to hear from you. I cannot watch TV because I get hooked, like addicted, and then I do nothing

Starting point is 01:31:57 but binge watch the entire season, so I'm not allowed TV or books. For me, I really... i'm the same way it's really hard for me to pick up a new show because as soon as i do i got anytime someone tells me this is a really good show i will make a mental note to never watch it because if i do it's going to be a big problem. I have been... My go-to-sleep show has been Bob's Burgers reruns lately, so I guess I like that. But I...

Starting point is 01:32:32 Yeah, I'm not into anything right now. I think we're both more into movies, because the time commit is very set in stone. But for Linus, he'll watch at one speed, and I'll watch at one and a half speed, just to be more efficient about it. I like to be efficient about wasting my time. She'll also be like working on a, like a, a sticker sticker design for on the cricket

Starting point is 01:32:55 for the kids walls or whatever, at the same time as she's watching a movie. Whereas I tend to watch a movie to turn my brain off. So I don't really want to be doing anything at the same time. I'll fold laundry and watch something. But that's about the most brain-consuming thing that I can do while I'm also trying to enjoy a movie or a TV show. That's it. That's all the messages. Everything else is just people saying hi to Yvonne

Starting point is 01:33:18 and that they love Yvonne. Hi. Oh, she's hosting a Short Circuit soon. Yeah, I am. It was my first one. I was really nervous. So hopefully everyone likes it. Are you going to give them any more details about it or is that it? Well, it's on the cricket.

Starting point is 01:33:30 It's something that I've been using for a little while now. I just upgraded myself. I treated myself to like their top tier model. And then I made, yeah, I made some stickers and I made something for Riley, which you guys are going to have to check out. And yeah, I guess that's, I don't know. I don't want to get too much into it because i want them to watch it uh oh there was something here oh i missed it uh it was in float plane chat there was something i was going to respond to but i guess it's gone all right well oh olenek said that's why he hasn't seen the mandalorian i actually did watch the first

Starting point is 01:34:05 season of the mandalorian it was just not very good sorry um did you end up watching it no i didn't okay avon's not that into star wars in the first place and bad star wars is not any better i wasn't uh what was it called it's not the it's the ones that came later the prequels but not really because they came later. I liked those ones, and then I got crap for liking them. But the story was better! There was more, like, character development.

Starting point is 01:34:35 I guess. I mean, were they good characters? I didn't say they were, I just said that was interesting. Was it skillful character development? It was more interesting. There was more going on. Okay. Yeah, anyway. Alright, well, we've wrapped up the rest of our merch messages, so I think it's time to head home. Bye! Thanks for watching!

Starting point is 01:34:52 Good night, y'all! Thanks for watching!

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