The WAN Show - We're In A Video Game - WAN Show June 23, 2023

Episode Date: June 26, 2023

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Welcome to the WAN Show, everyone. We've got a fantastic show lined up for you today. Amazon has allegedly retaliated against critical news coverage. Also, Dell Australia was found guilty of deceptive pricing. You know, the company that we covered in Secret Shopper, that kept trying to push extended warranties down our throats and on-site service. Would they do that? We should hire people from there. I mean, if I was trying to sell extended warranties and financing, yeah, that sounds like a pretty good idea.

What else we got this week? PC Building Simulator features Linus Tech Tips in an update. Oh, yeah, that's right. I saw that. Nobody tells me anything these days. Do you know how I found out about that no in a tweet from the atlinus tech account which i follow it actually looks awesome it looks amazing it looks very cool it looks so good i honestly never did it because i was like i've built enough

computers i don't need to simulate building computers but i might just like check this out it's kind of a fun game yeah like we played it for a sponsored stream for epic game store way back when pc building simulator 2 came out we should we should hold on sorry we gotta finish the intro we should 1v1 what that's like a thing you can do i mean or just like yeah you could both start at the exact same time and see who can make more money i'll make more money yeah i lost to jake though and i'm real salty about it oh so you just want to beat me up oh yeah for ego oh yeah all right good enough um also what else should we talk about i don't know elon musk and zuckerberg might actually fight each other in a cage match that is not happening yeah i said the same thing but either way intro time jumping right into our headline topic ltt is in pc building simulator yeah and it's so cool this

looks so cool uh all right we did a video about pc building simulator a while back uh jake and i 1v1 to see who could make the most money and i think we gave ourselves an hour or something like that basically just playing through the tutorial. It's really cool because the amount of depth that they've built into this game is incredible. Like, it really matters that you pick exactly the right compatible components, and a lot of it is not just building a computer. Like, have you ever played it at all, Luke?

No, never. Oh, yeah. So you don't just build a computer for lols you run a pc shop where you repair computers and troubleshoot them and also build computers and then you build up an inventory of computer parts from your repairs like oh this still had a good gpu and the customer said they didn't want it and then you can start to use them in other repairs and try to, you know, optimize, min-max your revenue and all that kind of stuff. Toward the end of the tutorial,

you get to the point where you can actually run... Wait, what? Was that in the game? Yes, you can run 3DMark in-game and it will give you pretty realistic scores, configure fan control curves. It's incredibly deep. And then toward the end, this is our final builds that we did.

You can renovate. That's a Leon Lee case. Yeah, you can renovate your, no, I think this is from height. Oh, okay. You can renovate your storefront and like start to rebuild it. And like, I didn't get any further than that

because I rarely find time to play video games. But the point is, pretty cool game and if you wanted to live linus's alternative reality life where he didn't start a youtube channel you could play pc billing simulator we are freaking in it yeah so here is their teaser trailer showing the ltt server okay man we're gonna cat we gotta down. Yeah, there's too many references already. Yeah, just a second here. Okay, we're going 0.25 speed here. We're going-

Ooh, 0.25 is not great. Okay, what- Okay, there's the pink server rack. This is the same flooring that we have in the PC build corner. Yeah, obviously. There's one of our- Ah, I forget what we call this design, but this is one of our desk pad designs in orange. Yeah.

What else we got here? I think that's also it in in black it's hard to see but i think the pattern is there i'm not sure i'm not sure you might be right i love that freaking awesome oh i love that there's like studio lights and stuff yeah the studio lights are one thing there's a bunch of set walls here tech linked set um this is the one man what is this one from obviously i've seen it a thousand times why can't i remember where this is from audience help me is that somewhere in the help me living room kitchen set yes yes yes it is and we've got the records on the walls just like in the living room set that's the door this is the door from the living room set this is so cool oh man look at this the little details we totally use these little uh um

extension cord spools aka arlo's cat pc building cafe i love it amazing oh man oh man oh i got the white uh got the white brick wall thing We had something like that at some point actually even the fake plants look familiar. Oh my goodness. Well, yeah Hey These things from the back of the PC build corner. They got the lighting in there and everything is that an LTT backpack? I think so. Is that an LTT backpack? I think so. They have the cable spool the extension cable spool. We have those for sure That is definitely an LTT backpack, sir That is incredible. Okay now hold on a second. Please tell me they have the screwdriver. All I've seen is the tweet so far

Wait, that's our desk. That's the desk. Oh that totally is this is the desk We've it's the like the cleanest setup desk or whatever. And they have those light thingies. Whatever those are called. I don't remember. Leafs? Nano leafs or something? Okay, yeah. To the right of the desk.

That's not ours, obviously. Oh, the kid blocks. Whoa, whoa, whoa. There it is. Yeah. Yeah. And they've got... There's a water bottle!

They got the water bottle! Oh, nice. There's three of them. They've got our LTT set deck. We also have this shelf somewhere. I forget where it is, but we have it somewhere. More water bottles. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, this is so cool. The number of... Oh, look, there's a lioness face. Hold on. Wait, where? Right next to your mouse. Oh, my God. Okay, well, that probably wasn't necessary.

I don't know what that is. It's in there. It's in there. Oh, there's a screwdriver. Oh, that's awesome. Man, they even, like, modeled the cap correct okay we must have done a lot of work on this too because this is exactly right like that is that is high fidelity exactly the graphics that we are using on our water bottles the damaged blue back wall with the red there reminds me of the garage. Northern Lights mouse pad. Yeah.

This is so cool. I'm freaking out a little bit here. Apparently donuts in Forza too? Yeah, donuts in Forza. YouTubers are just in video games now? I played their whole thing. Is this a thing? It was actually very cool. Oh, that's super cool.

Yeah, it was awesome. The kitchen! Hey! They've got the kitchen! Oh, this is so ridiculous. Wow! Speaking of accurate renders. That is...

Oh, they have the new poles. ...wallity. They have the new poles? Wait. No, they do. They have the fixed... Whoa! They have the fixed titanium carabiner

Pulls okay we're still Working on getting those through mass production And getting them shipped out to people I am loving this So much This is wild those I don't feel like they would Stand up okay it's a gold monitor Haha

Got em Oh I love this so it's a whole theme for the back of your shop I guess then oh I love it oh my god they even put a segue in the video description I love it

okay hold on a second this isn't the trailer performing poorly we just still have it on.25 that is so cool i um that is wicked i am super into it that's awesome uh the update went live earlier this week the update is free and you can try out the game's demo for free at lmg.gg slash pcbuildsim2. We're going to have that linked down below. And if we don't have it linked down below,

Dan is going to make sure we have it linked down below. Thanks, Dan. Thanks, Dan. That's so cool. Oh, man, there are some things I missed, too. Yeah. Build corner, set inspired walls and logo, Lambo desk library. I didn't see that, but apparently you can get, like,

a picture of the Lambo lambo yeah there it is oh are these just like stickers and stuff yep these are just decals that you can apply so those are based on our sticker packs hey they don't want you one let's go oh my god hey okay well that's enough of that uh another big news this week amazon oh you know what do we go straight for the bezos musk cage fight sure it's not bezos and musk though oh sorry not bezos zuckerberg and musk yeah so can i be the first to say that if this actually goes forward musk is going to get his just absolutely handed to him oh my goodness zuckerberg seems to actually take personal fitness and like very serious fighting training kind of serious yeah and the thing about you know a billionaire is he might have had kind of a potato figure at some point but i guess he can afford the best consultants

and trainers because he's like kind of looking pretty good lately oh Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Apparently, he recently did the Murph Challenge. I had heard about a lot of his like jujitsu stuff and stuff like that. I had not heard about this. Apparently, he completed the Murph Challenge, which is running a mile followed up by 100 pull-ups. It says 200 press-ups. Okay.

Are they just saying push-up? I don't know. Press-up. One sec. I don't know what a press-up is press-ups people are saying Bezos kind of jacked too actually yeah yeah I've noticed that yeah this looks like a push-up okay um it might be like a specific hand position or something but yeah 200 press-ups 300 squats and then running another mile all while wearing a 20 pound weighted backpack that's stupid that's really hard

i'm certain these things aren't like i'm certain he didn't do 100 pull-ups without having a break okay but like this is amazing they've actually got a fighter stats thing in the dock for us today and this is kind of incredible so elon's definitely got the height and weight advantage he's 5 11 180 plus pounds the zuck meanwhile it's like my height i did not know that i i thought he was a normal height person no i had heard he's pretty short okay He's short, okay. Only 150 pounds. Like, I have 20 pounds on him. And like, I'm not huge or anything. He's a skinny little chicken.

Small dude. Musk definitely has an age disadvantage at 51 years old instead of 39 for the Zuck. I love the training regime here, though. Lifts weights sometimes and then we've got the murph challenge here and then this is the best diet quote i'd rather eat tasty food and live a shorter life this year i've basically become a vegetarian since the only meat i'm eating is from animals i've killed myself which is like the chattest statement you could ever say apparently he did that murph challenge in 40 minutes that's stupid that's crazy that's actually stupid geez um elon might get actually killed

in a cage with him no i'm not even i'm not even though i mean if there was no end to it like yeah yeah well no i mean yeah i just i just mean like i i just you're a potato right and then you're up against murph challenge guy yeah like it doesn't matter it honestly yes there are absolutely big advantages to being a lot heavier and a lot taller. Yeah, but like... But these are not similar people, physically. Like, it doesn't matter. Mark will destroy him.

And to be clear, I am no Mark Zuckerberg fan. Neither of us are. Okay? Screw Facebook. Never mind him personally Facebook has contributed basically negligibly to our success as an online media business like I don't even have I don't even have any kind of professional indebtedness to the Facebook platform like actually if Facebook had never existed that would be totally fine for me yeah and meta too yeah because we'd still have like oculus yeah it might even be better yeah um a meta spokesperson

confirmed that zuckerberg was entirely serious when he replied via his instagram story yeah he's gone to like jujitsu tournaments and stuff. Zuckerberg would have no issue doing this. Musk replied, Vegas Octagon, I have this great move I call the walrus where I just lie on top of my opponent and do nothing. He will not get an opportunity to do that.

I can't... I don't think he realizes, like... I can't tell with him. A lot of people that have never been in... And I don't know maybe he has someone's going to bring up some weird thing from his past oh yeah he's claimed like he you know south africa you know fought and stuff bullies and stuff you sure this is going to be a different reality as far as my understanding goes zuckerberg is actually very good and very serious when it comes to jiu-jitsu and he will choke the absolute

out of musk Dana white meanwhile has expressed interest in hosting the match So Of course he did I mean, I would see there's a bunch of free money. Oh my float plane chat is so funny Musk is friends with Joe Rogan though. They're kidding, Luke. They're kidding. They're kidding.

Okay, okay. It's amazing. Andrew Tate said something about training Musk. Yeah, what? From a Romanian prison? Like via Zoom? That is a thing. Some people do. Yeah, it's not as good but um i think yeah i don't know

i don't know so a bunch of people are bringing up the send me location meme that's pretty great send me location okay i will say though okay we're about to get really personal here. You're 6'1"? 6'2"? If you round up, I'm 6'3". I'm like 6'2", and like something. You're over 6 feet. You don't get to round up. Sure. Okay, so you're 6'2". But then I'm past point half. So you're 6'2".

I'm past point half. So you're 6'2". So I'm 6'3". So you're 6'2". Okay. No, if you're above 6'3", you round down. You round down past a half? No, you round down when you're over 6 feet. Past a half. Doesn't matter. Doesn't make any sense. You round up when you're under 6'2".

The Canadian government says I'm 6'3". The Canadian government doesn't even use feet and inches. Yeah, they use centimeters. So get f***ed. But very quickly, it's like 192 or something. I don't know. Whatever. The point is, I'm just like i'm trying to i'm

trying to kind of i'm kind of trying to think about you know for me okay so i'm five seven five six and a half you have quite a few more inches on me than Musk has on Zuckerberg. So are we in height? Yeah, in height. Okay. Well, probably. But I didn't go to the nude bath in Japan, so we'll never know for sure.

The point is that you've got at least, oh man, what's Musk, 5'11"? Yeah. So you've got like another three inches on me over what musk has on zuckerberg and i'm trying to think when you were full potato what did you weigh at that point i don't even want to say it was a lot though okay yeah like over 200 i don't have no content i haven't been under 200 since i was like 17 okay well. Well, okay. Over 250? Yeah. Oh, okay.

All right. Man. So I'm just trying to think. How fast would I have to be? How much do you think I weigh right now? Look, I have no context for this. I have always been under six feet. Yeah. I don't know how much bone weighs.

But just like fire out a number. Right now? Yeah. I don't know. 230 no i thought i well you're but like not that close it's definitely more than that okay i weigh pretty much 250 right now right now oh yeah oh yeah now one thing to consider is i've put on a lot of muscle since then right and that weighs a lot more but I was more for sure got it okay so I'm 170 so their weight difference is actually a bunch of people like what yeah yeah

yeah and there's no like this is flat like I'm doing okay yeah their weight difference is actually way smaller because I was thinking about it going like even when you were out of shape like i wouldn't go out of my way to go into an octagon with you like if i got lucky i could maybe try to like break something yeah um before you kill me rather certain i still would have won yes but that but that is that is the the drasticness of that situation is significantly higher. Yeah, because you had, what, like, 100 pounds on me. Yeah. We're talking 30 pounds difference. Yeah, which is a lot when it comes to these types of things.

But the gap in training between these people. Right, well, the other thing, too, is Zuckerberg. It's wild. Zuckerberg would know that Musk is going to gas. That, too? He's got to carry an extra 30 pounds around with him I mean he's not trained. Here's a hot take. I don't think it would matter. I think mark could just take them But the training gap here is insane the like physical capability gap here is insane like it's not even it's

not even sort of close I don't know no we are not speaking in kilos we are Canadians so we have absolutely no rhyme or reason to the units we use there's a flowchart yeah there's like every all the Canadians talk about things in this with the same metrics yeah but. But I don't know. Here it is. How to measure things like a Canadian. What are you measuring? Speed metric distance.

Is it your height? Yes. Imperial. Is it your height? No. Is it a long distance? Yes. Metric.

No. Is it related to work? No. Metric. Yes. Imperial. No. Is it related to work? No. Metric. Yes. Imperial. Okay, hold on. This is actually true.

I am actually not kidding. So far, it's perfect. Temperature. Is it for cooking? Yes. Fahrenheit. Yep. No.

Is it the pool's temperature? Yes. Fahrenheit. No. Celsius. That's true. Mass. Is it your weight? pounds. No is it very? Volume is it for cooking yes cups and spoons

That is so amazing we are actually that is so amazing we are actually right up we have no idea what's going on that's amazing it comes from being neighbors and one thing that's not included here uh what are you measuring um is it like an object um because we always use imperial for construction because we both use and export a lot of lumber to america so all of our all of our lumber like i was blown away when i heard that you could buy lumber that was a three centimeter by six centimeter or whatever the hell a two by four is in metric and that's what they build with in europe and i got screwed over because whatever they use for drywall in Europe is like a slightly different thickness than here. So the cool acoustically isolating screws

that I tried to use in my theater room that were from a European supplier were ever so slightly, I think not long enough or something and couldn't go through the imperial drywall. Anyway, the point is our construction is also in imperial. So I would never use centimeters to describe anything in terms of sawing or cutting or screwing or hammering anything inches and feet all inches and feet yeah

but then you ask me to think about anything farther than about oh no because lots of other trades use feet too. So I would never be able to estimate like painting a house. I did all of that in Imperial. I'm pretty sure even when we ran the cable, it was feet, wasn't it? Yeah. I think so. I know cables in both though. I'll use them interchangeably.

Yeah, me too. So this is why a lot of the time in our videos, we will give a measurement in metric or we'll give one in imperial and we will completely forget. It'll be inconsistent. Well, yeah, it'll seem like there's no rhyme or reason to it whatsoever. And all the way from the writer to the editor to the person who's like QCing the video all the way to publication, nobody will even think to include a conversion because for all of us,

how many feet in a meter? I don't know. What? I know like mentally about how much it is. I don't know off the top of my head because everything I do that actually matters for it, I do it in feet. Three.

Okay. Is it exactly? Yeah, see? He doesn't know either. Come off it. I knew it was three something, but I don't know the exact answer. It's three and change.

Yeah. Yeah, so six feet is a little under-something. Yeah. But I don't know the exact answer. It's three and change. Yeah. Yeah, so six feet is a little under two meters. Yeah, but you can't, like, ugh. Okay, how many cups in a liter? I don't know. It's the same reason. What the hell's wrong with you? Okay, well, I know these things.

Four cups to a liter. Four liters to a gallon. Is it exactly, though? Ish. No, it's not exactly, though. Don't worry about it. It doesn't matter. It might matter. It doesn't matter. It could. How many pounds to a kilo. Is it exactly, though? Ish. No, it's not exactly, though. Don't worry about it. It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter. It could. How many pounds to a kilo? I don't know. What the hell? It's 2.2. But not exactly, because it goes beyond the.2. How many kilometers in a mile? I don't know.

1.6. But it's not exactly, because it goes beyond the.6. It doesn't matter. It does if you're giving it to them. The fans that are going to like things about the lab are gonna want exact conversions. Does that have to do with anything? What do you mean? No, I don't mean for the videos. I just mean you should know, like, to function.

Oh, I know the rough stuff. Yeah, sure. Well then why don't you- If you ask my dad, he'll give you the actual exact thing. Oh my god, that doesn't matter but that's why i just say like i don't know because if i say it wrong he'll be like no and then give me the actual one i'm like i don't care i don't know you just got to know this stuff like five mils and a teaspoon 15 mils and a tablespoon like you just you just when you grow up with it i mean think about it what's the difference between memorizing one asinine method of measuring things and another smarter but also pretty complicated when you're nine

and you're learning it or whatever method of measuring? Just memorize both of them then. Who cares? Fahrenheit, though. Blue furl said 3.2 feet in a meter, but it's actually 3.28. So it's more accurately 3.3. So like you're off. It's a food three dairy.

What if it does Fahrenheit? I cannot do though. And it's funny because for the pool and like for the hot tub, I know it right. Like over a hundred in the hot tub was hot enough that my aunt wouldn't let me get in. You know, you know, the points that like mean something yes yeah but if you and and i know that i know that like a hundred degrees uh a hundred fahrenheit is like freaking hot weather yeah like like unbearably hot weather and so i could kind of go okay it's probably like 42 or something but then because the units don't like they get really similarly. Yeah

If I remember correctly Google the Google weather app could not display 69 degrees Fahrenheit and people thought they were like trying to avoid the funny number but it actually turned out that when you convert from Celsius due to like How things round and whatnot it never came out to 69 degrees Fahrenheit. That's funny. So they had to like change how they, uh, I think it would, they were cutting off too many decimal points. So they had to stop cutting off so many decimal points so that they could actually get that was Apple. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. I just read some article on it. I thought it was pretty funny. People are quizzing me now. How many pounds to a stone?

I don't know stone. Yeah. we don't deal with stone at all. We never do stone. Is it about 14 pounds to a stone? Is that right? Okay. Four stone and seven years ago. Sorry. What were we talking about? I think it was the Zuckerberg- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Musk cage match.

Yeah, their weight difference, because they're 30 pounds apart. Yeah, they're 30 pounds apart. Roughly 30 pounds apart. So that's about 12 kilos see i don't need to know exactly yeah they're about 12 13 somewhere in there 30 pounds 12 seems accurate enough why don't we talk about amazon 20 kilograms it's about 45 pounds yes yeah yeah yeah yeah 44 44 point something

amazon allegedly retaliates against critical news coverage uh this was covered on dexerto ah great hey there you go amazon shuts down smart home after delivery driver mishears racism from a doorbell wait what is this yeah so lewis rossman talked about this a while ago i don't think we have a lot of notes about the actual thing that happened but basically a doorbell the person wasn't even home the doorbell has a standard greeting and it is not racist are you sure the delivery well no actually the delivery driver had headphones in or on or whatever and they thought it was racist so they reported it and amazon just like shut down their home devices wow yeah i mean i'm not saying that you should program your smart home to be racist well i don't that would be stupid to be clear i don't think they did no i

know i know like i'm not saying that that would be okay but yeah but for a company to have the ability to shut down your product that you bought because you allegedly and it has things to do with like home security used it in such a way yeah that is whoa mind-blowing according to the customer he was locked out of all of his smart devices without notice for a week pending investigation. And this is after they misheard a generic greeting from his Eufy doorbell. Oh, good. Eufy is back. No one was home at the time of the incident, which Rossman confirmed after being provided the customer's security footage.

Frostman confirmed after being provided the customer's security footage. Amazon later acknowledged this incident and said it was looking at ways to prevent a similar situation from happening again. So this wasn't even something that took place over an Amazon-owned, like a ring doorbell. This is something that just an Amazon driver complained about. And they basically went, okay, your your customer history all your stuff i guess by serial number is shut down it's down it's out it's gone oh no i guess it would just be by account yeah it'd be by account login the week after his reporting rossman received an email from amazon saying that his application to the amazon associates program did not qualify and that his temporarily approved account has been rejected. Which he's had for eight years.

The Amazon email further accused Lewis, and I can tell you guys, look, I have not followed Mr. Rossman around day and night for the last eight years, looking over his shoulder, monitoring his behavior. But as someone who knows him, I think well enough to say what I'm about to say. I'm going to say what I'm about to say. Amazon accused Rossman of using friends, family, and employees to fraudulently purchase products for the

sake of affiliate kickbacks. That is a f***ing lie. That is categorically false. I have never seen anything about Lewis and his conduct that would lead me to believe that that is even remotely a possibility. Yeah. And I'll also say, having had our own Amazon affiliate program scare in the past, that the way that Amazon chooses to enforce the rules and regulations of that program are scattershot at best. And I wouldn't put it past them to target a particular creator with some kind of nonsense made up reason for ejecting them from the program.

I don't know if you guys remember the drama that we went through we only narrowly got our account reinstated and the reason that we were that we were kicked out allegedly was because we said that um using our affiliate code helped support us that apparently violated their policy because it provided something in kind for using our affiliate program what gratitude and they're like yeah and i'm sitting here going basically every twitch streamer has a banner under their channel that's like support me by buying on amazon using my account oh yeah so what's with that and it was only after we showed them that our substantial daily subscriber growth that they reconsidered our case and honestly it was hard even getting to that point where we could talk to a real human being about the appeal

um so yeah based on my experience i could see them having having a very uneven approach to applying their seemingly completely opaque set of rules. Like, how was I supposed to know that based on how everyone else was using it? And, I mean, I wasn't trying to get snitch, right? But I did have to provide evidence that other creators were doing the same thing. None of them got their affiliate programs pulled.

Which is good. Which is good is good but also I should never have gotten mine pulled then yeah ridiculous to be clear we've had a pretty smooth relationship with Amazon over I don't know the last while yeah I just see the business team say that like they're doing good or something that that's all I actually know about it these days um and it's like it's all affiliate based like before i think or have they sponsored some stuff they might have sponsored a video or two actually now that i think about it so things have been pretty smooth for us but it wasn't always like that and with the way that they just

treat the affiliate program not as a discount but as like a marketing exercise i could absolutely see them being like this isn't worth it forget it just cut it off provide some bs reason it doesn't matter um yeah that's that's not cool um yeah our discussion question what's more plausible that lewis rossman has been getting his employees to buy soldering tools en masse for hundreds of dollars in kickbacks or that a petty middle manager at Amazon revoked the affiliate account of an outspoken critic with 1.8 million subscribers. Hmm.

Yeah, it's kind of rough. Terrible. Terrible. terrible terrible maybe we can get bezos into the cage match that'd be rossman that'd be pretty good no i don't think rossman needs to fight bezos he's pretty short oh wait no sorry i meant the previous one yeah just make it like you know they'd fare a lot better if it was like an elon and bezos tag team versus mark you think so i don't think so oh well yeah i don't know if bezos has actual like fight training though oh yeah just because you're in shape doesn't mean at least there's two no i completely agree but i'm saying at least there's two of them like increases chances a little bit you missed the uh like you missed the uh the arcade

day yeah he was sick yeah um but they had like one of those punching bags that like measures how hard it hits the thing and i was like very close to people who weigh like 20 30 percent more than me because it's so much of it is technique yeah and so just because you're strong or heavy doesn't actually mean you can hit hard. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I think I'd still take Zuckerberg. Do you think you would take Zuckerberg?

No. Oh, heavens no. No, I don't want to fight Mark Zuckerberg. I was like, whoa. I mean, give me like, give me a year. Of like training for that. Yeah, like i'd have to actually train like i have to dial down work yeah i i have i have some martial arts background already i wouldn't be coming from ground zero i would really want to improve my flexibility and i'd really want to improve my

stamina and i really need to work on like ground i was gonna say as far as my understanding goes what you might want to work on is just intensely avoiding going to the ground. Because it takes a very long time to learn jiu-jitsu. And I think he's been doing it for quite a while. Okay, so basically I just want to get focused on... And you have no... Sorry, what is the thing that you do again? I don't remember.

I don't say what it is. Okay, that's fine. Because it's kind of random. It's a combination of like, you do some kind of kickboxing-y stuff, some taekwondo. I'd say probably it's most based on taekwondo, which is one of the most useless. None of it's ground, right?

No, we do some grappling. You do some grappling. Some, not much. Okay. Very little. At least you have some, though, because a lot of people will come with like no wrestling, no jiu-jitsu,

and think they're just going to like bear hug people and win and just get wrecked. Oh, yeah, that's not how that works. Yeah. It's been a long time, though. It's been a very long time since I've done any kind of grappling stuff. No, I'm not going to fight Mark Zuckerberg. That's just not worth it.

That's probably good. Moving on, though. Yeah. We've got to explain merch messages. Yes. You guys are probably seeing these down here. The way to interact with the show is not super chats. It's not Twitch bits. It to explain merch messages. Yes. You guys are probably seeing these down here. The way to interact with the show is not super chats. It's not Twitch bits.

It's a merch messages. Oh, and we have some exciting new stuff for you guys to check out. So in the cart, when you're live, I never get that right. I never get that right. When you're live, you will see a box for merch messages. So all you got to do is check out with anything. One of new items one of the old items a gift card it doesn't matter and you can leave a message for the show it will go to producer dan there he is and he's gone oh no there he is and he's gone gone go on wave dan oh damn it anyway the point is it'll go to producer

dan and it'll either end up down here hey look howdy dan hi meet the point is it'll go to Producer Dan, and it'll either end up down here. Hey, look. Howdy, Dan. Hi, meet me. Yeah, indeed. It'll go down here, or it might get curated for us to respond to later. And the best thing about merch messages is that if we don't get to your message,

hey, at least you get your order in the mail with... potentially our new waffle hoodie. It's just like the waffle long-sleeve but now it's a comfortable hoodie with a kangaroo pouch and a phone pocket and It's comfy and it's warm and it's nice and you'll like it. That looks fantastic actually. Yeah! I might have to get one of those. This one's really nice. Uh, we also have- why is this here? I saw Tim in the chat, are you gonna get a bunny hug, Tim?

Are you gonna do it? Uh, there's a JerryRigEverything knife, am I just supposed to talk about the restock? I don't know. There was a restock. Also, oh this is fun, if you don't care what color water bottle you get, you can now get a mystery water bottle in 21 or 40 ounces. Please get one. Let's go.

They're $10 cheaper, I think. Yeah, they're $10 cheaper. Wow, that's a really good deal. So help us get rid of our colors that don't sell very well and help yourself save $10 on a super high quality insulated water bottle

available in 21 or 40 ounces. Other recent product launches, we've got our stick locks, joystick covers, we've got our capacitor style insulated water bottles. Oh, okay. If you want to get your hands on one of the upcoming Noctua Edition... Hello?

Luke, bug. Oh, it's here. If you want to get your hands on one of the Noctua edition ltt screwdrivers at launch and you don't want to wait a long time you are going to want to sign up sign up for a notification so you'll get an email right when it's available and hopefully you won't have to wait around through the like waves of delivery and whatever else um so get on that. So in a floatplane chat, I do enjoy benefiting financially.

Sorry, it was zero point in floatplane chat. I do enjoy benefiting financially by not caring about stuff. Sorry, I just really like that. Absolutely love it. Oh, also, we have a hiring announcement announcement we are still in need of an engineering focused writer if you've got a solid grasp on both engineering and english please apply uh that's at linusmediagroup.com slash jobs i think it is yeah also sometime next week there will be a posting for a front-end developer going up all right two positions since we're doing all the

internal news um dan's gonna collect a couple of merch messages for us to do real quick here but first we have an ltx 2023 layout and booth info dump super exciting uh ltx 2023 brought to you by asus rog and whaleland powered by ubiquity okay the layout is hereic designers will make it easier to read, but here's what we've got. Ashkebe's ASUS, ASUS PC building workshop. HDR versus SDR booths, so you can actually experience it. Blackpoint Cyber, a cybersecurity workshop and sim racers. Cable Mod is doing blindfolded cable management.

That's going to be fun. Canada Learns to Code is doing a coding workshop. Canadian Red Cross is doing Mario Kart tournaments. Sure. Sweet. Corsair is doing their IQ demo. Canadian Red Cross is doing Mario Kart tournaments. Sure. Sweet. Corsair is doing their IQ demo gaming setups

and giveaways. There'll be a CPU deleting and GPU repasting booth. EK Waterblocks is doing, they're showing off the EK Sim Racer. So it's a super cool

racing sim thing along with some fluid gaming setups. Epic Games is going to have a water cooling workshop featuring EK Waterblocks. Oh, okay. So they're collaborating

and they're going to have PC Building cooling workshop featuring UK Waterblocks. Oh, okay. So they're collaborating. And they're going to have PC building simulator two stations. Oh, my goodness. We are only a quarter of the way through. Okay. I'm not going to be able to read all of these. InWin is doing Dubli case building. Height is doing a space cadet pinball tournament of some sort or some kind of space cadet tournament thing.

London Drugs will be there. Sure. LTD Store is doing screwdriver building. so you can build your own screwdriver mech.land is doing typing competitions uh what else we got man there's so much stuff here nzxt is sponsoring the triple lane case toss we're gonna have three lanes of case tossage this year it's gonna be freaking awesome c sonic is gonna have every version of windows so you can just like try all the different Windowses in their booth. That's a lot, actually. Yeah, the idea is that I think one out of every five people in the entire building

can be engaged in an activity at any moment at any time. Whoa. That's the goal. We want to minimize lines. We want to maximize engagement. So everyone who wants to have a booth here has to have an activation that's fun. That's awesome. Starforge will be there, including a very special PC for Linus to react to.

Interesting. The hammer's got to be huge. VRRC Cars V2 is coming. Four cars, first-person view racing. Let's go! Awesome. Yeah, there's a freaking lot. And they said there's a layout, i don't see it maybe it's

on the site nope don't see it okay cool good chat everyone dan you want to hit us with a couple merch messages sure thing yeah i got a couple here for you linus you mentioned a couple of weeks back regretting naming the company after yourself i had the same regret and wondered what other names you've pondered since. Nope. Because we still might need some of those. Yeah, that's a problem with that. We do have a couple of good ones. Oh, this could be a way for me to win the debate.

I just leak all the ones that I don't like. Oh, that is so lame. That's how we end up with Linus Media Group. That's not fair. That is fair because we wanted to change it. You said no. So that actually is fair. Well, this isn't exactly how we ended up

with Linus Media Group. It's pretty close. It's pretty close. I'm sorry, Luke. I didn't know. I actually can't remember any of them off the top of my head right now. And a quick search of my inbox did not bring up the one that I want, which I thought might be also in an email chain with the ones that I don't want. So unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to do that. Honestly, I think,

I think Austin's company name is really good. It's Overclock Media. I'm like, yeah, okay. It's sort of meaningless to anyone who doesn't know what it is, but it's super geeky and fun for people who do know what it is. I think something like that would be way better. Underclock Media. Yeah. I mean, if I was to do it again today, it would be Yvonne Umbrella Corporation. Yuck.

And Yvonne would hate it. Oh, oh yeah she hates that I talk about it even yeah she doesn't think it's funny I do I continue to think it's funny Dan hit me with one more thanks for all your work feelings about parasocial perception to me

Yvonne is spicy take dragon firebrand, gentle giant bird boy, and adult in the room. But I'm sure you're all much more complex. Well, who's the adult in the room? I really hope they were not referring to me. I really hope

not either, because I... Are you a bird boy? I thought I was bird boy. I think I'm the lightest of the three of us Screams the loudest. We were talking about that Yeah, me, dee-chee-chee-chee I'd take care of you. I do like sea shanties. I'd bring you to the vet His birds like sea shanties. They do. That's a good reference Wow, okay, hit me with one more His birds like sea shanties. They do. That's a good reference. Wow. Okay.

Hit me with one more. Sure. Hey, Linus and Luke, are there any specific tech innovations or developments on the horizon that you believe will significantly impact the average consumer in the near future? Man, it's not so much the things that are on the horizon right now as the things that we've allowed to creep up on us. I think that that previous topic we just talked about where we don't own our devices and the companies that sold them to us can just turn them off at a whim whether it's a hardware product or

whether it's a software product like a game oh i'm sorry you bought this for the multiplayer experience well we turned off the servers and i guess you just don't get to play that multiplayer experience anymore oh you thought maybe you would share it with your kids nope they don't get to play it either nobody gets to play it haha see you later by the way we've got a remastered one that is bundled with the sequel that you can buy for full price or worse yet we don't have anything and there's absolutely no way to to relive that joy um you know that sucks we don't want you playing that type of game right now because we need our new type of monetization to be the only thing that you can access.

Yeah. There's stuff like there's cyber attacks going on from China right now on U.S. infrastructure. And it's like not actual shutting things down. It's just getting themselves in the system and then sitting there. What is this? Sorry, I'm not familiar with this.

Can you explain it a little better than that? I was reading some articles recently. There's constantly cyber warfare from all of the countries to all of the other countries. So this is not like weird. And I'm sure America is doing very similar things back. I'm not trying to be like, oh, China bad. But dictator. What I have heard recently is that there was recently a fairly significant amount of Chinese cyber attacks towards American

infrastructure. Think like power stations, stuff like that. And they weren't trying to actively take anything down. they were just trying to get in the systems so that maybe they could if they wanted to right and i think if there was bad yes and china needs to not do that i think that china in very stuxnet type of ways if there was a a large future uh world scale war that was to happen that involved these big countries very directly those types of things would start happening in ways that i don't think anyone's ready for literally at all right like all of the power and all of the internet just being incredibly unstable in all of the places is something that we're not ready for. We're very used to stability, all these other types of things.

Yeah, I mean, even a residential internet connection, I think about how often my internet goes down at home. Almost never. Compared to when I was a teenager. Oh yeah. It was constantly down. It was a die roll whether it would connect or not. Yeah, the telephone line was the only thing back then

that was like reliable. So things being super stable is something that I think we take for granted. And what could throw that stability off, I think is very wide ranging. So it might not have to be some form of conflict or something like that. But all of these different infrastructure things

that we have being network connected for simplicity's sake, for ease of use, for all of these other variety of reasons. So if you're saying that if I don't want the WAN show to get shut down right now, I shouldn't say Taiwan's a country. That's my, hey, that my, dude, if the power went out right then,

that would have been so sick. Hey, give them time. yeah, yeah, yeah, they got only type so fast to it. Yeah, yeah Yeah, I don't know I think that is an interesting thing though Is that so many things are network connected at this point right people have network connected locks? right like and one of the things is when you have when you have something like a network connected door lock to your house if all you use for a very very long time is like your phone or something to get into your house you might start becoming

less concerned about making sure that you have your backup key on you or whatever else so like there's there's things that just get a little weird when those systems stop working in the way that they have forever i i stopped carrying the like baller fancy key for the office for a long time because i was just like i will always get in with my oh the power's out yep and then i just like i didn't have it and i had to drive all the way back home dig it out of whatever stupid that's why my key chain weighs like four pounds. Um, cause I just, I've gone through it. I'm like,

no, no, I actually do need physical keys for physical locks. Yeah. Um, but no, I get it. It's that type of stuff. Yeah.

A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not to doom and gloom it, but there we go. I just bought a mystery water bottle, wondering if you would discuss Taiwan.

I mean, we're not exactly discussing it. Really? That's on your Wancho bingo? Not Luke's mom calls? It's been a while for that one. I, like, throw my phone away these days, so that might be a little bit more difficult. Yeah. Luke's phone causes so much interference on the mic.

I actually can't hold it near the mic. You won't hear anything. Yeah. All right. Why don't we jump into Dell Australia being found guilty of deceptive pricing. Not Dell! How could they do this to us?

An Australian court has found dell's australian subsidiary guilty of falsely marking computer prices as on sale according to documents published by the court customers buying a pre-built computer online were given the option of an add-on monitor listed as 60 off however the discounted price was simply the full price of the product. The monitor had never been listed for the striked-out price. Some customers were even misled into purchasing the monitors at a higher rate than they would have paid had they purchased the monitor by itself. The court claims that more than 5,300 add-on monitors were sold with overstated discounts. Dell has admitted to misleading customers and has been ordered to

hire an independent compliance professional and compensate any customers who bought the falsely labeled products. The court is currently taking commentary on what further penalties to levy against the company. Here's the thing. First of all, I want to say

shout out Australia for actually enforcing this stuff yeah that's awesome because canada for example has laws that prevent you from just perpetually having something on sale and fun story do you know why ncix had a weekly sale so you could effectively do that yeah so the sale would end so you'd probably like Tuesday night rotate some of the items but not all of them the sale would end Tuesday night then Wednesday day we'd sell basically nothing because everything was at rando stupid prices because they were just set by the system at some safe we definitely won't lose money level okay and then wednesday night at 6 p.m ideally sometimes

it was late we would launch the sale send out the email newsletter i remember these and then rinse and repeat and rinse and repeat and you basically like only buy the bundles and stuff and you only buy the things that are in the weekly sale because everything else is not priced properly oh by the way because people only buy what's in the sale you just put everything that people want in the sale like man it got to the point where there were like 800 items oh yeah something stupid like that you couldn't actually scroll through it like you'd have everything you'd have like packs of 25 blank cds in the safe because we needed to move them, and having them at regular price wasn't effective because the site was unnavigable.

So, yeah, that was why. It was in case anyone ever got mad at us. But as far as I can tell, nobody ever gets mad at anybody for it. Man, the number of furniture stores oh yeah in surrey that literally have like faded going out of business banners hanging on them like six years ago sometimes yeah from just sitting in the sun for literally the better part of a decade yeah um i don't know man i just anyway that's cool shout out australia for actually doing anything about this because it's stupid everything must go car dealerships yeah yeah yeah everything must go eventually

and then we'll get yeah we'll take your trade in yeah take your trade in and then i must go oh um i i like it none of this none of this surprises me from dell and i and i'm i'm happy to see someone actually paying the price i love that they have to compensate the customers directly they don't say how much and they are seeking further information though so how do you think they should do it do you have any opinions on that i've been trying to figure that out i because they say compensate them but they don't say compensate them by how much How do you think they should do it? Do you have any opinions on that? I've been trying to figure that out. Because they say compensate them, but they don't say compensate them by how much.

Well, I would assume that they just need to... I would assume they just need to pay back the extra. But then again... So the difference between... No, because they bought it at normal price. They just thought they were getting it. Okay, I have no idea how they would handle that. This would wreck them looking at the prices that I see on the screen, but it would be really great if they had to pay them the difference Yeah, that'd be a lot of money is that'd be like five million dollars

Because it's a thousand dollar Delta Luke and there's five thousand out on monitors that were sold with overstated discounts get owned Don't do it again. Yeah, I mean I I get owned don't do it again yeah i mean i i think that probably doesn't make a ton of sense given that it's not like these people bought it at the inflated price they bought it at regular price they just how do you how do you build a compensation package i have no idea i don't know the answer but i know that i'm happy they're doing something and that dell's getting that and i'm happy that the compensation is going to the individuals personally, rather than just being a fine that goes to the government,

the lawyers that like, yeah. Oh, you get $2. Yeah, but I'm the one who got screwed. Yeah. Like, where's my check? Oh, $3 for my class. Oh, thank you. Thank you.

How much did the lawyers get? Oh, millions. Oh, cool. This is perfect. The system works. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. know i just i hope it's not nothing uh because like i want dell to feel it yeah whatever amount that is sounds good i hope they figure it out all right what do you want to talk about next luke uh people were saying that the intel arc a770 was uh discontinued that is not

true intel has officially discontinued their arc a770 limited edition graphics cards meaning like the ones that like they're making and stuff yeah but board partner cards are still available this is super normal and people should stop freaking out yes yep basically i just don't think intel is interested in the low margin business of being an aib in the longer term uh it was pretty obvious from the name limited edition that they intended to eventually eol this particular 16 gig version of the a770 people are just so obsessed with trying to call the skies falling on on intel arc um but it's not so honestly i'm surprised it lasted this long that's either an indication that it took a little bit longer for them to build up aib like add-in board partner

relationships or that they had a lot more yeah or that they were selling really slow compared to how many of them they had. Yeah. I'm not sure which way this went, but it probably wasn't Intel was selling too many A770LEs and just couldn't keep up. It's too profitable. We can't shut it down. Yeah. Probably not the problem. Yeah.

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I see. That's kind of on us. Yes. That's on you. I replied once. I had the day off yesterday oh get owned well i did my best okay that's all we can ask for all right hit me with a merch message sure thing uh linus when you got the pie in the face during your last live stream did you feel like mrs doubtfire for a moment uh yes

mrs doubtfire but with more crust and not just uh the cream there was a lot of chunkies i smelled a lot like pie my whole face smelled like pie like all the beard and everything we did a guess the price wrong and get punished stream. Oh, right. A lot of you probably haven't seen it. It seems like there's been some differences in the rate at which YouTube serves out live stream VODs. So they used to get a bit of a harder push

right out of the gate and then the slow burn. And now it seems like they don't really get much of a push out of the gate and they're just a slow burn. So over the next six months, you'll probably see it recommended to you and youtube and then i guess click it then or whatever um but yeah it doesn't have a lot of views yet but it's been it was quite well received and a lot of people have said it's like one of our best dreams ever basically i had to build a computer but the catch is that i have to guess the price of every component and if i'm off by more than 10%, I spin a punishment wheel.

And if I'm off by more than 20%, I spin a worse punishment wheel. And if I'm off by more than 30%, I spin a really bad punishment wheel. Let's just put it this way. I spun the 30% a lot of times. Wow. I was actually going to say i'm assuming you did pretty good well they went out of their way to pick stuff that was really hard to guess there's one that i flubbed i just i moved price tiers on myself i went okay core i7 is like 400 and change core i5 is like 260 to 280 uh uh okay but that was back when core i7 was the top of the range and it sounds like old information yeah yeah so it was a i forget what it was a core i7 and i went step down core i5 yeah or wait was it a core i5 i can't remember it was something the point was it wasn't what i

thought it was and i forgot that we have a core i9 tier i just completely spaced because i was hosting a stream and trying to guess a thing and it had been a long day week month 10 years um and i just completely spaced on it. And that was supposed to be the easy one. So I was off by more than 30%, right out of the gate. I got a dollop of hot sauce, Da Bomb. Oh!

Yeah. So I was feeling that yesterday. I heard it was hot sauce. I didn't realize it was like hot, hot sauce. I always assumed it was going to be something. It wasn't Tabasco. Yeah. The lower tiers were weaker hot sauce. I could chug Tab going to be something. It wasn't Tabasco. Yeah. The lower tiers were wheat or hot sauce.

I could chug Tabasco. Anyway, so yeah. A dollop of those. Most people do like one drop. Oh, it was a lot more than a drop. Yeah, it was some. So then right out of the gate, I did terrible. And then most of the items they picked were designed to be difficult to guess.

So for the motherboard, for example, it was like a a sonic the hedgehog themed board from asrock oh how much would that cost i have no idea no idea 400 yeah that's about what i said okay it was 250 wow that's a lot the thing is it could go any direction of course it could be a ton because it's super limited edition and and it like lights up with a crazy produced only a few of them and they- And it lights up with a crazy- Produced only a few of them and they're super in demand. If your system crashes, it makes a coin- Or it could be basically nothing because they produced a few of them and nobody bought them and they just- They're discounting them to get them out.

Are trying to get rid of them. I don't know. I don't know how much demand there is for a Sonic the Hedgehog motherboard. Yeah, that's ridiculous. So there was a lot of stuff like that. They'd be trolling you yeah linus didn't chew the hot sauce you need to or it burns your stomach what on earth are you talking about also the number of people that were like linus don't drink water it makes it worse i don't know maybe for you water definitely helps for me. It's just like... Oh.

We had an acoustic panel just fall off the ceiling. Just about hit Dan. So that's funny. I mean, it's not as funny as if it did hit him. I wish it had. That would have been great. Oh, my goodness. They're not heavy.

Don't worry. Wow. What was I saying? Hot sauce, water, you find it helps. Yeah, yeah, I find it helps. Even just like the cooling, like the soothing. People are like, but it spreads the capsaicin. Like, that doesn't bother me.

Spreading it out is more better. Yeah. And like, yes, yes, milk works better. Where the f*** am I going to get milk? I'm at work. I'm not at home. Just like the number of people Know yes, I know I'm at work. Yes. My mouth is burning. Let me drive to the grocery store

like just the just the kind of like pompous like yeah well if only you knew go back to reddit oh wait got them they're spilling out yeah uh no milk at the office wtf why would there be milk at the office like creamers maybe but milk why yeah that'd be a little weird anywho um get milk for work no no why like what are you guys even talking about? Milk is good. So what? So buy it at home. Yeah. And drink it there. Yeah. Yeah. No, we're not providing milk. What do I look like to you? A cow?

That was so much worse. Oh, man. You guys are killing me here. What are we supposed to be doing right now? I have to read you another merch message. Okay. I will try to reach you. I would not have had Linus milk some self on my bingo card. I just... Why do I want a cup of coffee now?

Okay, let's uh... Oh my god. Okay. Whew. Alright. I listened to the wind. I really didn't see that coming. Okay, let's uh... Oh my god! Okay. Alright. I listened to the WAN- I really didn't see that coming! Who got a bingo?

Post in chat. I listen to the WAN show every week despite not being subbed to any LMG channels. Have you noticed any similar trends of people regularly consuming LMG content without being in the larger ecosystem. Oh, absolutely.

I mean, the proportion of subscribed versus not subscribed viewers has gone down over the years. And like, okay, here's another sort of supporting piece of evidence. Over probably about the last six months, I don't know. I'd have to double check to be sure but over an extended period of time we've seen an uptick in channel views without the traditional corresponding uptick in subscribers i think a lot of people just don't care anymore they know it like barely does anything and they just don't even bother interact with it yeah the numbers the numbers just don't really

seem to have much to do with the kinds of ratios that they used to have like that. I don't know. I just, I can't really find a pattern to it. Um, we don't actively call out subscriptions as much anymore, but then when we stopped doing that, it made effectively zero difference whatsoever. Um, because there's like the, the noise there is pretty intense too. You get call-outs for subscriptions in every single video Yeah, so you just start ignoring it. It reminds you of the like, oh, yeah I should click on something else now some channels see a big uptick in subscribers from shorts. We've had some shorts go pretty successful ish Negligible absolutely nothing like no impact. I don't know

I just I just don't know what I don't know what to tell you guys other than that clearly you don't care about subscribers just don't know what to tell you guys other than that clearly you don't care about subscribers or like being subscribed to channels and you're depending more and more on YouTube recommendations, YouTube, you know, for you and all that kind of stuff. And that's a double-edged sword, right? Like on the one hand, it's allowed us to reach a much larger audience than we otherwise would have been able to. I mean, even when subscriptions were more important, they still weren't that effective. People just get fatigued, right?

They don't want that many notifications. If you're subscribed to more than like half a dozen, maybe a dozen YouTube channels, you're gonna be like, ah, screw this. Like, forget it, it's too much, right? So you can't get a notification anytime a channel that you follow does anything. And so it allows you to reach these people who are either not subscribed or

are subscription fatigued. Right. But then the flip side of it is that if you are not performing in a way that is favored by the, uh, the way that YouTube serves content to the audience, that's my way of saying the algorithm, um, because YouTube will say it's the audience and i will say right but can you explain to me why a live stream vod follows a very different curve from a regular video upload surely that could not purely be audience preference right

crickets so there's definitely an algorithmic component to it, but what I'm trying to say is if you no longer appeal to the way that YouTube recommends content to the audience, then you're not going to perform. We are on our way into a very deep trough, and honestly, a big part of it feels like kind of a hangover. I've started to notice this for many years, our growth was slow and steady. We just built the back catalog, built evergreen content that would, I don't know, maybe it's only 200 views a day. Maybe it's only 100 views a day, but more than zero views a day, just built up and build up and build up so our daily viewership went

grow grow grow grow grow and then it's gotten more turbulent it's down it's up it's down it's up it's down it's up it's down it's up and i think part of that is just being kind of saturated like i can't talk to a tech savvy person who has never heard of any of our channels um they exist but it's pretty unusual these days. So I think part of it is like a saturation and part of it is just like a natural interest cycle. You know, we'll go through a period where the channel is everywhere

and it's probably all over your recommended and you're probably watching a ton of the videos. And then, I don't know, it's like, I love zero punctuation. When's the last time I watched one? Yeah it's like, I love zero punctuation. When's the last time I watched one? Yeah. Yeah. I just, I leave it alone for a bit and then like, I'll go back and binge it. Or like, I'm that way with TV shows and stuff as well. Like I just kind of fall off and then I'll go back to it or sometimes I won't. And that's just sort of like the natural, the natural cycle. And so right now, um, we're're we dipped today to a level that i don't

think we've seen in like a couple of years but then we're coming off of some highs that we hadn't seen in a couple of years and i think it's just uh yeah it's a natural thing i think part of it is that yesterday's video sucked uh just that did wow did that ever not perform but part of it is that yesterday's video sucked just that did wow did that ever not perform but part of it is also just that interest waxing and waning because we've uploaded some really good content in the last little bit that hasn't performed well either and i think is just going to be a slower burn as it gets served to people the only you can fix gpu pricing here's how video is like really good the feedback on this is amazing. People love it.

They're like, this is like mini scrapyard wars. This is awesome. Like 90, 98 and a half percent, like dislike ratio. People clipped you yelling at yourself. That happens like pretty early on. I had at least like, I don't know, eight plus people send that to me. Yeah. Like that, that was extremely extreme.

Like that was one of the worst performing videos out of the last couple of weeks um which is yeah like remarkable to me uh the framework factory tour is awesome that'll do well in the long term but it was a below average performer so there's just no um yeah yeah it's tough um then we had the the Apple event which was honestly speaking a video we threw together I wasn't even in office that day I had to review the script in like

20 minutes and it's got like 3 million views it's a top it's a top performer so I do have to wonder if there's a little bit of like that video was everywhere and then people are just like ah you know oh we are that guy again okay i'll get i'll catch up later i don't know it's always like that right um so we'll see see how it goes got some pretty good ideas for some stuff coming up

and we'll we'll we'll get back to it but it's a it's a wild it's a wild, it's a wild ocean that we are, that we're swimming in. I forget what the point of all of this was. Where did we start? Genuinely don't know. A merch message. Oh yeah. Do people watch channels they don't subscribe to? Right, right, right, right, right.

Yeah. That's a funny thing too. I see that often is there'll be like a wave of comments. People will be tweeting at me or commenting or whatever. Like, man, I didn't get this video in my subscription feed. I feel like I haven't been getting your videos lately. And then they'll come seeking us out again. And then the channel momentum will swing up.

And I'm like, okay, well, I didn't do anything different. Yeah. I'll find that sometimes. Like, I feel like I click on a creator every time I ever see one of their videos. I really enjoy their stuff. And then I'll go like, wait, I haven't seen a video from this group in a while or whatever. Let me go look at what they're doing. It's like, oh, they've been doing twice a week uploads for the last six months.

And I just haven't noticed. So you go and you binge a few and then it's nothing but that in your recommended. Yeah. And it's like, well, okay, hold on. This is a bit much. Yeah. And then it keeps going. Yeah. Hit me with one more, Dan. And then it keeps going. Yeah.

Hit me with one more, Dan, and then we'll get on to some more topics. That sounds great. Okay, let's see. Hey, LLD, thanks for another awesome show. After seeing the WeHead video, I'm curious. Where do you see communications technology in 10 to 20 years? What do you think will be the next big leap? I mean, I think that this 10 to 20 years is

a lot. But in the next five years, we are almost certainly headed to some form of metaverse style communication. I mean, you look at the way that Apple's moving FaceTime onto the TV, you look at the way that meta and Apple are trying to get us interacting with a headset, something that sits right in front of our eyes. If it's not augmented reality, which is a funny thing. Do you notice Apple refuses to use the term AR? Grow up. It is what it is.

It's got to be their own thing. Spatial computing. Stop. Enough. Anywho, I can't tell you what it'll be for sure but what i can tell you is it won't be the we head have you seen this thing luke uh i have not watched this video but i've had a bunch of people message me about it i saw someone uh they sent me a photo of me on this thing in this seat they like photo edited it and they're like this is how you

have to like telecommute into wanshow moving forward and i was like what the heck are you talking about what the heck it looks so weird it's like someone like wanted to go into the uncanny valley and just make something that's uncomfortable to look at like intentionally hold on we've got me on it later and just make something that's uncomfortable to look at. Like intentionally. Hold on. We've got me on it later. Where is it? Oh my goodness.

No, we've got Jake Belovance. Yeah, this is amazing. It looks so bad. He can nod. Like, what the heck oh my goodness I feel like it wants to eat me like yeah I am powered by human meat

um anywho yeah it's not the wee head I think it's gonna it's it's gotta be displays bolted to your face and whether that gets broadly accepted or not that I don't know, but it's the direction everyone's kind of trying to go right now.

I want to go in the direction of another topic. What do you want to talk about, Luke? I'm responding to a merch message, but I will pause that and jump over. Yeah, you will. We kind of talked about DPR review living on last week did we uh you mentioned it i don't think we really talked about it but you know i don't think i did did you just mention it to me off the way no i said i know i said it was like gone i didn't know

this oh what how did i know this then i don't know but this is amazing dp review the digital photography review website was supposed to cease publishing in April as part of mass layoffs at Amazon. However, the site continued publishing over the intervening months, and apparently it's been bought by Gear Patrol, an independent tech review site. They officially acquired them as of this week. DP Review's editor-in-chief released a statement saying that the site will continue to operate as it did before, with all editorial coverage and site features remaining the same and all historical content accessible this is amazing for photography nerds and gearheads and well those are synonyms whatever the point is dp reviews current staff will keep working though it does not appear that employees

that left due to the announced closure have been invited to resume their positions former site editor gannon burgett responded to the news by saying he was happy for his former colleagues and for the preservation of the site, me too, but was also critical of Amazon's handling of the situation. You should figure this sort of stuff out before shutting down an entire division of the company, not in hindsight after weeks of backlash and leaving freelancers to scramble for new gigs. Agree 100%. This was just meant to be a small update, but I'm super happy to see this.

People are saying, I thought you were going to buy them. No, I have to confess. I just saw the way that Amazon unceremoniously announced that it would be shut down. And I assumed they weren't interested in an acquisition and I didn't even reach out. It's something I could have potentially been interested in, but the opportunity never presented itself because i didn't think to pursue it i just was like no well it's dead um that sucks meanwhile the ftc sues amazon for tricking customers into prime subscriptions can you get tricked into a prime subscription? Sort of, actually.

I will defend that a little bit. We're going to talk about dark patterns, are we? Yes. All right. Luke's going to talk about dark patterns. So dark patterns. I'm going to get a snack. Okay.

He wants to get it himself, Dan. Oh, okay. So a dark pattern is a confusing or misleading user experience that leads you to do a thing that the company wants you to do and not a thing that you want to do. Prime subscriptions are, oh, wow, we're doing this. Hey, how's it going? This feels a lot more intimate for some reason. Prime subscriptions are known for this because of how persistent they are in trying to get you to sign up for it and by offering free sign up at the beginning. But the worst part, in my opinion, is that it is ridiculously hard to cancel.

And that I don't know why this is a thing, but I know a surprising amount of old people who end up with multiple of them. Right. Like a lot of people. I don't know why. Interesting. But it's been a thing. I have genuinely no idea why. That one I genuinely don't understand.

I will say this. I know a surprising number of... They call it dark patterns. Yeah, that's what Linus said. Older relatives that have more than one email address because they use their ISP-provided one, which I would say is a dark pattern in and of itself, sort of, in that it's a way to lock you into using this particular ISP forever.

Lock-in practice, for sure. And has no benefit whatsoever, as far as I can tell. Anyway, so they will often have an ISP email address because, I don't know, they think they're supposed to use it or something. And then they will also have a not stupid one um whether it's like outlook or gmail or like you know proton mail i don't know it doesn't matter the point i don't know any older people with a proton mail account but the point is um they'll often have more than one so maybe that's part of how they end up with multiple prime accounts is they just like have these random email accounts.

Emails. I know some of them too. Um, and this is more of a thing for Canadians. Cause like 80% of us live within, what is it? 50 kilometers of the border or something like that. Um,

but a fair amount of it is the confusing way that Amazon deals with different countries. Cause you can like have the same login but also not oh yeah creating multiple accounts yep and you can have a prime for both countries but it's not necessary really like other i didn't even know i don't think it is i don't know i don't actually use amazon well your, your Prime for... It's definitely not necessary if you are an American because everything that's on the Canadian one

is going to be on the American one. So you should just use the American one. Yeah, I just don't think there's a benefit to Prime if you are Canadian anyway because they're not going to ship for free to Canada. From the American one, you're saying? Yeah, I don't know. But like, I don't know.

I don't get it. I don't use Amazon. But I do know a lot of people that end up getting really screwed over and have a bunch of Prime accounts and can't figure out how to cancel them. prime yep yeah i i had a hard time remembering which email i had signed up for um kindle unlimited which good service i like it but i i it took me like four times logging in to figure out which one and if i if i didn't remember that i definitely freaking had one it i could have i could have accidentally signed up for another one. Yeah, I could see that. I mean, that's how we're going to achieve limitless growth with capitalism. Instead of having every customer once, we'll have every customer twice. This is the way. That's amazing.

Anyway, did we actually talk about the, the FTC thing yet? No. Okay, cool. Wait, what FTC thing? They sued Amazon on Wednesday for making it easy to accidentally subscribe to their prime service with a labyrinthian process to cancel the lawsuit. Wait, actually what? The lawsuit alleges that Amazon knowingly tricked millions of Americans into signing up for their prime subscription using manipulative, coercive, or deceptive user interface designs.

So these are dark patterns. Let's go. Did you not know this was in the doc? I had no idea this was in the doc. I left you here to do this topic, and then there were no snacks. So now I'm doubly angry. Wait, there are snacks. They're in the kitchen.

There are snacks in the kitchen. Oh. All right. next in the kitchen oh all right the ftc said amazon prompted customers to subscribe to prime repeatedly and made it hard to find the button to proceed without subscription during checkout that's how people could end up with a bunch of these because if they just happen to be browsing the site and they just happen to enter a different email this time oh i don't have it oh likewise amazon purposefully made prime's cancellation page difficult to find the cancellation process would then bombard customers with offers that are intended to

change their mind over the course of several unnecessary cancellation steps according to the lawsuit this lengthy cancellation process was known internally as the iliad after the 15 hour epic poem that recounts the events of the Trojan War. According to the commission, the primary purpose of the Prime cancellation process was not to enable subscribers to cancel, but rather to thwart them. Amazon has said these claims are false on the facts and the law, and that by design we make it clear and simple for customers to both sign up for and cancel their prime it is better now it was really bad for a bit i remember this i remember when i had to cancel my my grandfather's after he passed away i remember being legitimately like needing to actually focus because i was like it's really really trying to get me to press the wrong button here and i had to press the right button many times and they would switch which side it was on and they would change which one was highlighted

and they would do all these little things so you have to like really make sure and they would change it would be like no I do want to cancel or it would be like or they would they would switch which one said no and why and like it was very very confusing okay well maybe I remember wrong I okay this was a while ago this was a while ago well it wasn't that long ago i was thinking a while or ago okay yeah like so i haven't tried that recently now that i think about it i just i thought i had to cancel one a little while ago and it wasn't that bad i don't know guys it's like if if you're if you're someone who's expecting these things it's fine you can get through it but the main thing that

was standing out to me was like no wonder my grandpa couldn't cancel this there's like there's no way it would have been such a mess the yeah i don't know if you have to call someone about tech support problems they're like not going to be able to cancel okay this might be a hard conversation but your grandpa was pretty with it he was like when I met him, which wasn't that long ago. Like why is it? He was actually decently like technical and stuff. Yeah.

But it was a crazy loop of long. Is this like a, is this like a cultural thing? Almost like when he was young, was it just simple to cancel a service? And so he's just like not used to this gauntlet, you know? You would have had to like call the listicle company. The listicle company?

They didn't have computers. Did you just say listicle? You mean the switchboard? No, because they made like newsletters and also zines and also magazines. You mean zines. Magazines. Zines. What the hell is a zine?

Zines are a thing. What is a zine? A zine. Okay, do you guys know what he's talking about? A zine is most... Is he intentionally using Gen Z slang? No, I'm not. I'm intentionally using really old school stuff.

A zine is a most commonly... This is a weird way of saying this. A zine is a most commonly, I'm adding the word a, because I'm really dyslexic. A zine is most commonly a small circulation publication of original or appropriated text and images.

More broadly, the term encompasses any self-published unique work of minority interest usually reproduced via photocopier. I'm pretty sure it's zine. I think it's zine. Like short for magazine, like a short, small magazine. You are correct. Okay zine

I don't okay good to know I have a hundred percent heard it called zine. Well, maybe they were also wrong. Maybe They couldn't figure out how to cancel an Amazon subscription Anywho oh no luke anywho um here's what i want to know where does the line fall and i'm not saying what amazon's doing is okay it's like definitely not okay if i want to unsubscribe from a mailing list if i want to cancel a subscription it should be one button at most two and are you sure is fine anything more than that unacceptable but where is the line like should a cable company be allowed to even have a retention department you know like is it okay to give me an offer is the offer okay hey uh keep it and we'll give you the next two months for free like is that okay and like how what is okay yeah it's like open negotiation is no longer allowed how many times should i be allowed to say how many times should i have to say no i'm not interested i want to cancel is is is once enough

and they shouldn't be allowed to say or do anything it's twice i mean twice is probably fine you know uh are you sure yes what if i offer you this well now it's three times is that too many what's the line you guys yeah because i think this is almost a uniquely like internet problem because yes and no you called in i mean try to try to get out of a car salesman's office once they've like pulled you into the office i think this is absolutely just literally just got up and left yeah but you're rude yeah but what i'm saying is like if you don't want to buy that car you can actually just physically remove yourself you can if if they're trying to keep you from doing it for sure if you call in to something and you say i want to cancel this is my details i want to cancel and they're like oh i'm going to counter offer you you should be able to cancel. This is my details I want to cancel. And they're like, oh, I'm going to counter offer you.

You should be able to say, no, I don't care. I want to cancel. Goodbye. And it should be done. But I mean, it likely won't be, I guess. Yeah. And I guess the difference is that in the car scenario, you're the one, they need something from you, not the other way around. With the cancellation, I need something from you not the other way around yeah with the cancellation

i need something from them so i can't simply disengage from this interaction i have to see it through so what would be a more fair i i can't think of another idea of having a third button um i don't know if this is enforceable or not, but having a third button that's just like, I genuinely do not care. You could offer me the moon. Cancel it. Hmm. Moon cancel. No, I'm pretty sure I'm still not interested.

Or like, definitely no. Okay. Okay. Interesting. Moon cancel. Cancel to the moon. Oh, man. Just don't get as canceled as Under the Sea might get you.

Moon's okay. Dan's trying to move us on. That's probably for the best amd appears to restrict dlss support in sponsored triple-a titles this is a weird one i don't think it's confirmed right now it's more just scuttlebutt uh but since the release of both nvidia's dlss and am AMD's FSR, a pattern seems to have emerged. First, that DLSS has been adopted at a far faster pace, in part due to the friendlier tools and ease of use. And second, that AAA titles sponsored by AMD are far less likely to get DLSS support

than the other way around. AMD gave a broad statement pointing out that there are some games with Dss support but no fsr support and saying that they are committed to doing what is best for game developers and gamers and that they give developers the flexibility to implement fsr into whatever games they choose but nvidia was quite a bit more specific saying nvidia does not and will not block restrict discourage or hinder developers from implementing competitor technologies in any way. We provide support and tools for all game developers to easily integrate DLSS if they choose,

and even created NVIDIA Streamline to make it easier for game developers to add competitive technologies to their games. And, you know, that's all a lot of, like, sort of corporate bullspeak. But the games list kind of speaks for itself itself it really does actually so we've got bundle partner nvidia we've got almost across the board there are some that are amd that has both yeah and there are there's one from nvidia that does not support fsr um but the vast majority of the amd bundle partner games do not support dlss in spite of some of them being like unreal engine games that probably could support it pretty easily how does world of warcraft not support either of these things why is it even on here if it doesn't support. Oh, because it's AMD build partnered. I don't know what to say about this. Other than, hmm, I don't like it.

We should have the option to choose what upscaling technology we want to use. Is there some pattern in like the reddit thing is continuing in other news uh yeah a bunch of subreddits set themselves to not safe for work friendly and loosened their uh not safe for work guidelines around sexual content. This was to supposedly like reduce Reddit's ability to target ads at the users in these subreddits and monetize those users. And an apparent crackdown, a number of monitors from subreddits that recently set to not safe for work

were removed and locked out of their accounts. Several forums with over a million members are now completely unmoderated. Reddit has refused to comment beyond saying that it is not acceptable for moderators to falsely label content as NSFW or encourage NSFW content in previously Safe for Work spaces. This next point is my favorite one. Meanwhile, other subreddits such as r slash political humor have voted to make all members moderators. Other subreddits such as r slash political humor have voted to make all members moderators. In response to Reddit, CEO Steve Huffman calling moderators landed gentry that ignore the desires of rank and file users. They just make everyone.

Oh, that's amazing. And when everyone's a monitor, a monitor. And when everyone's a moderator, no one will be. No, it's pronounced Zine Linus. Yeah, I don't know. the last topic we absolutely must do before we get into land show after dark yes eve online ah yes now has native support for microsoft excel tell me about how tell me how this makes you feel. It's actually awesome. You don't even have to pay for it. It's a free plugin for the game. So sweet. Yeah, it's just great.

I don't know. If you don't know anything about EVE, it might not make a lot of sense. You can absolutely play EVE without ever touching a spreadsheet. But many people that do play EVE do a lot of things in the game, especially if you're an economy player, which is a lot of the people do play EVE do a lot of things in the game, especially if you're an economy player, which is a lot of the people that play EVE, that are, I mean, you're going to do better if you use your spreadsheets. So players will be able to create custom reports, graphs,

and charts to organize and derive insights from their in-game data. EVE Online players were reportedly thrilled when the partnership was announced, as many of them were already using Excel to manage in-game information discussion question is an eve online subscription now a valid work expense no hey why not no jessica it's not eve has often been called a spreadsheet simulator so now do we just call it a spreadsheet I guess so and now do we call this

WAN show after dark I think so I think we do I think we have to because we're running out of time best-selling item today mystery 40 ounce water bottle I'm into it oh Dan's on it okay I'm going top to bottom

um oh wow there's still a lot of merch messages Dan Okay, I'm going top to bottom. Oh, wow. There's still a lot of merch messages, Dan. Why are your fingers not on fire more from typing faster? Okay, let's see. Where are we? Hi, DLL. Is it more beneficial to be a jack-of-all- all trades in the world of tech or a master of one thanks guys i love everything you do man both of them both are both are good both i mean why not

both yeah well no no seriously though like being a special okay we talked about this a while back uh man it was like super super old someone asked they they were only familiar with like this like really old programming language or something. Yeah, something like that. And they were like, hey, what can I do to modernize my credentials? And I think Luke gave really good advice there because being a specialist in a niche is absolutely valuable. In fact, it's going to be like a bathtub shaped curve here, right? In fact, it's going to be like a bathtub shaped curve here, right?

So the more generalized you are, the more valuable you become because all of a sudden you have insight and you have context. Some new technology comes out and you can automatically be on it. To pull together. Oh, I'm thinking from like a management standpoint, even though like to pull together disparate teams and turn all the things that they're working on into a single cohesive product like that is super valuable that's how you succeed in business right but then over on the and then you've got people that are like pretty good at a few things and it's like okay right but your experience is too narrow and

you're not really a subject matter expert and then you've got people who are like super uber specialists at like animal recognition, machine vision stuff or something. I don't know. I'm picking something completely out of thin air here because my point is just that to the right customer, if you are the freaking best at that, basically you write your own check, right? Like you just, you just tell them how much it costs and if they want the best implementation,

well then they have to hire you. And that, that's all, that's kind of all there is to it. I would say, I would say both are good. Um, but pick one, don't land in the middle if you can avoid it. Yeah. Like I specifically mentioned COBOL. I don't know if this is the one that the person was skilled in um but i just googled it because i was wondering um and there's a statement here that's it's difficult to make it through a day without using a system that depends on cobalt and you're like what most people have never even heard of this and it's like yeah a lot of banks run on systems developed a rainmaker in twitch chat says if you're a cobalt master apply it places like micron they still use it and you make silly money. You make ridiculous money because no one coming out of school is like, oh, I'm going to go learn COBOL. So the amount of people that are

still in the workforce that know it is only going down. And dropping. Yeah. Yep. So like, yeah, whatever. And there's always going to be legacy stuff. Like until, I don't even know if they've updated it. Isn't the nuclear football, like using technology from like 1960 or something yeah i remember hearing something about that yeah maybe it's been updated now but you'd be amazed at what kind of tech they're running in like a nuclear silo for example i was talking to the floppy disks and stuff the folks at um a data recovery company that we worked with a while back were saying like, you would be surprised the kinds of hard drives that we're expected to not just recover data from sometimes, but also maintain a working stock of replacements for because of the kind of organizations and the kind of money they have to keep this ancient machinery running.

Yeah, you'd be amazed i don't know how old this article is yeah um oh 2019 it was revealed in the event that if the u.s president ordered the launch of a nuclear warhead the command would rely on an eight inch floppy disk or a series of them at least wow yeah eight good great those are the old school ones and we're talking floppiness i told my wife this is eight inches but it's actually more like this that's a lot yeah yeah so like yeah i don't know not saying that modernizing is a bad thing either. I'm just saying you don't have to. You can try to find a niche where you're at. Yeah.

And no, I am not necessarily recommending that you person in university right now learning programming languages should just drop everything and learn COBOL. That is not the answer. That wasn't the point. That was not the point. Yeah. Another point. Yeah. Another one? Yeah. What are some more obscure innovations that might have succeeded if they had been open or standardized or regulated instead of proprietary?

Daisy Chainable, RGB fans, RGB and backside MOBO connections come to mind. Hmm. backside mobile connections come to mind? Hmm. Obscure innovations that might have succeeded if they'd been more open and less proprietary. I don't, hmm. I mean, okay, memory stick kind of comes to mind. If Sony hadn't been such a,

if Sony hadn't built such a closed ecosystem around their flash memory standard maybe it could have been more broadly successful but i feel like the spirit of your question was almost like a product um category like portable flash memory absolutely did succeed uh because the open standard ultimately won right so? So we ended up with SD. So if what you're asking is, man, I think we could have seen a lot more innovation in, and this is just speaking from my personal experience,

I think we could have seen a lot more innovation in production equipment a lot faster if the standards were more open and intercompatible. You know, everything from red proprietary media to the proprietary controller boxes for studio lighting equipment there are more standardized ones but what's funny is a lot of the time they're even more expensiver not open source and free like DMX comes to mind for controlling for controlling lighting. That's like more baller to have that kind of interoperability as opposed to more affordable using, you know, commodity hardware,

kind of like what we would, what we would imagine the more open standard to be right. Can you think of anything? I've been responding. It was locked in proprietary ville and would have been more successful if it had been more open. There's a lot of things that are vampirically successful

due to not being open, which is unfortunate. What things would be more successful due to being open? Would we have seen, would we have seen, no. There's a lot of games that I feel like you could talk about, about this. Like I think they. Oh, by being more modding friendly. Man, the fact that a game developer would look at the industry

and the history of gaming and go, you know what f***ing sucks? Mods. Mods. Mods are terrible. When gamers mod the f***ing game. F***ing hate that. That's a recipe for f***ing failure.

Can you imagine being that stupid? Yeah, that's pretty brutal. Yeah. What are you talking about? yeah what are you talking about players enhancing the experience is what has kept games alive and relevant for years past their best before date think about it like i i would argue i don't know if i would be right i'm not that in tune with things but i would argue that we're not exactly in a valorant's doing pretty well, actually. Just before Valorant,

I would say. I would argue that we were not exactly in a golden age of shooters. Sure. Valorant's kind of popping off, though. But Valorant's really just like modern Counter-Strike. I still don't really think we are. And one of my arguments, I think, would be the departure of dedicated servers. Because if you think back

when like Counter-Strike was so many different experiences you could play like Warcraft versions of Counter-Strike where you would like level up and all this weird like it was and a lot of the a lot of the innovative game modes that you play in modern shooters like gun game gun game was just it's a CS mod yeah right yeah so like yeah I feel like that's a cs mod yeah right like yeah so like uh yeah i feel like that's a big part of the reason why is a lot of the modding right now is in like the rpg space or the single player space but dedicated servers used to have very very interesting versions of first-person shooter games and first-person shooter games don't have dedicated

servers anymore so we lost this modding support in an indirect way, but it still happened. Yeah, that's a really good point. I didn't really think about that before. I feel like that's it. Yeah, Kataz is saying, I miss StarCraft 1 and 2 custom games 100%. Yeah. Original CS was a Half-Life mod?

Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah, well, don't forget, original Dota 2 was a half-life mod yeah that's a good point yeah well don't forget original dota 2 was a warcraft 3 mod like a lot of the gaming experiences that we have today are because of modded custom games yeah um ani highkidge over in floatplane says you don't understand linus if you're still enjoying the old game you're not going to buy the new one with all the horse armor i added the last part yeah i don't know all right hit me dan hi dll sloth here i used to moderate a lot of subreddits but recently reddit has started

threatening to remove us over the protest what would you do as reddit ceo um so i curated this one because i think it's i think it's interesting because there's kind of two ways to read it. It's like, what would you do if you were a Reddit CEO? Or what would you do better if you were actually him? It's tough. See, I don't have access to Reddit books. I have no idea how deep in the red they are. We talked last week kind of about this

right like it's very likely that they had to do something like this but i think they didn't know their audience very well they should have used their audience a little bit i mean what they should have done was appealed to their audience exactly and said look here's the situation if we want reddit to survive in the form that it is now, which you allegedly like, then here's what we have to do. And while we understand that the particular API call load of these custom apps is not actually costing this amount exactly,

there's a huge opportunity cost to them that we have to make up in order for us to go IPO. Or something. Yeah, see, that's where it kind of falls apart. There's just a much better way to approach it. Well, the problem is that the whole motivation for it is to go IPO. And the whole reason that you go IPO is to cash out.

So they were never going to really be able to appeal to the users which I guess is why they decided to just take a more adversarial approach I'm not really sure thing to me is the reddit ceo has done an extremely bad job of being an adversary why is he losing so hard this is what I don't get yeah he has the biggest megaphone and on the tallest and just podium doesn't do it like all these subreddits going not safe for work and stuff why are you even letting them do that if you're trying to be big adversary guy you're just like it feels like he's motivated to look the worst he could possibly look and just sit in that space for as long as possible yeah it's kind of a funny thing, right? Because it's not like, okay,

I could see the Reddit community behaving kind of like a Hydra, you know? You chop off one head and it just like, they're shockingly coordinated. But a big part of how they coordinate is through Reddit. So I could see the evolution just kind of their of their rebellion happening so fast that reddit would have no way to respond but it's not no it's pretty slow it's happening so slowly because his reactions are so slow and slow it's it's so it's just weird i don't know like i don't

want people to think i'm i'm on Spez's side because I'm absolutely not. But it's been just hilarious to watch because I'm like, oh, so the Reddit moderators or people or whatever are doing this now. I wonder what Spez is going to do about it. And then just crickets for so long. It's like, oh, man, if he wants to be like, no, this is our platform. we run it our way and then he's going to go around and remove certain moderators from certain subreddits and reopen certain subreddits and force not safe for work certain subreddits but doesn't do it with all of them and there's no real like logical pattern to how he's approaching any of this it's like what what are you doing i oh man i don't know the whole thing is just so weird it's so so weird hot take the fact that you have a lot of money does not necessarily mean you were very smart Yeah, I think this is probably I don't know yeah

I gotta stay away from like defamation, but things that could get me there think that Moving on Howdy LDL the escalating panic and Dan's voice during the Taiwan show's stream crash was hysterical. Question. Has there ever been an F it, we'll do it live moment at LTT that turned out great? Has there ever been? Has there ever not been a f*** we'll do it live moment here? I mean.

That's a better way. My personal mantra is the show must go on the show must go on the show must go on so the number of oh my god like here tell you what that's probably what we're actually best at out of like everything um yeah if I had a superpower it would be to take absolute garbage and turn it into something that people might consider watching i don't always succeed uh this tech toys one did not end up performing well okay this this video i completely pulled out of my butt because we had no video for that week and i was like i'm gonna go on facebook marketplace oh 3080s are cheap okay sure um man this i pulled out of my

butt and massive props to nara for also pulling it out of his butt it came out of both of our butts uh that is sort of an unflattering description of the factory tour the point is we were supposed to go do something else and it bailed and we just did this instead. I literally didn't even know what this was when I opened it. So, yeah, I think that's basically it. We'll do it live when I'm shooting this intro. All I know is it's something. Oh, yeah, this Facebook marketplace adventure Adventure is also... F*** it, we'll do it live.

Oh, man, this is great. I'm trying to think. Let me see if I can find something that... Oh, man, this was 100%. Just forget it, we'll do it. I had no idea what I was walking into on this one. I'm making it sound like we don't plan at all. We do.

We actually plan a lot. This took a lot of planning. Hey, wait, where's the part two of this video? How the hell have we not released that yet? There's one where we actually build the thing. I thought you were talking about the AMD challenge. Is this the building the one? No, there's a second part of this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, AMD challenge. Oh, man, this was 100%. We'll just do it live. The water cooled my bed video. That was awesome. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it did quite well. It was really good.

Yeah, yeah, that was a fun one. I actually really enjoyed that. Greetings from Belgium. When I started college, I chose biotech over IT, and I questioned that decision ever since. What's the biggest life choice you had to make without knowing what you were doing? Oh, dropping out of school. Me too, but for different reasons. Yeah. That was pretty stupid.

Mine on paper was too. Yeah. I mean like, no, yeah, no, obviously mine on paper, it ended up working out, but like I could have easily never been promoted at NCIX, been working as like a sales guy and lost my job when they went under. And then I'm in my, what, so I'm in my mid thirties and my entire work experience is working as a computer salesman. So basically what I apply at Canadaada computers and i hope that they pay okay yep that's unfortunate that could have easily been the plan and like no no disrespect to people who work as a computer salesperson but it's um i think my career trajectory has been more favorable than that since then so um like i am glad that i didn't go down with that ship i did have better backup plans but mine was still pretty yo though is there any chance that we will get a wan show or introduction video with Taron once he's had more time to acclimate to his new role within LMG. Yes. How many new channels do you have in the works now?

I know you've got GameLinked and the React channel. Any others I missed? I'd love to see a spin-off of ShortCircuit for maker stuff like 3D printers uh you're gonna see an expansion of sort of individual vertical focused channels like focused on power supplies or headphones as the lab spins up their testing i think at some point in the future you will see like a more a hyper deep dive labs video channel um i had completely forgotten about the react channel so there you go i guess that's where that's at uh game linked is coming soon that'll be the one that is soonest and oh man there was something else that i was going to talk about yeah that's everything that comes to mind right now i think we're going to be quite focused on more like

vertical specific channels so that we can really focus on products that don't necessarily need to get two million views i think that sometime in the next six months to 18 months you're going to see the ltt upload cadence change and that'll be for the first time in almost 15 years it's really funny to me every time i see people talk about how we're emphasizing quantity over quality these days and uploading too many videos the f**k are you talking about the upload cadence actually hasn't changed in a decade you guys spend more time on individual videos than like ever yeah yeah so i don't know what to tell you the opposite uh so yeah i think that ltt may end up collapsing under its own weight and our future may be many smaller channels that only need to get 100,000 or 150,000 views average instead of needing to get a million and a half, three million views on every video. What made you change your mind on the Taycan from when you shot the original video featuring it?

Android Auto. That was a big one for me. I liked the car. I can afford the car. It felt a little bit excessive at the time in particular. I don't want a new car, but I don't think I would buy one without Android Auto at this point. No, yeah, it's utterly unacceptable. auto at this point no yeah it's utterly unacceptable um also i was extremely disappointed not just with porsche's refusal to add android auto to their freaking cars but with the fact that they were not adding those features to previous models it made me feel like this vehicle was not going to be well supported and i wasn't interested in owning one that wasn't going to get proper software support going forward. So once they both brought Android Auto to the Taycan and backported that compatibility all the way to 2020 when they originally released the car, I went, okay, well, that's my favorite electric car. It looks cool.

It's fast and stuff. I haven't seen too many complaints about it. I like it. I test drove a lot. I was like, okay, sure. And then how I ended up with the Turbo S was basically just down to like a favorable deal on a secondhand one that was barely driven.

It's the way to go if you can pull it off yeah like we i saved so much that even though it has a bunch of equipment that i wouldn't have otherwise shelled out for i effectively didn't pay for it so now that some time has passed since youtube removed dislikes have you noticed any long-term effects uh Other than it just being annoying not being able to see the sentiment on a video that I'm looking at, no. I mean, I didn't expect that it would affect the Joe Average viewer. It's just annoying for me, the user. Or rather, I didn't expect that it would affect me as a creator in terms of interacting with my viewers. But yeah, it does. It does affect me as a user. Question for Luke.

What is your favorite programming language and why? I actually always really like to see. Oh, that makes me happy. Why? That's my favorite too. That's the one I know. Are you guys having a moment? There's a hug.

The fact that I now manage web developers is so... Do you guys need to hug right now? No, we program in C, Linus. Yeah, that means we never hug anyone. Yeah. He knows. He knows. Favorite things an ex-employee here said to me is,

you know, I'm an extroverted programmer or whatever. I look at the other person's shoes. That took me a second, but that's great. I find the fact that I manage a bunch of web developers to be very, like, funny. Because I hated web development when I was in school. It was my least favorite form. Absolutely. And then now it's like, oh, okay, that's fine. Next, been watching for a decade now and figured it's time I show a little love.

Do you feel like people have gotten more or less tech savvy over time as tech has gotten more advanced but simpler to use? Honestly, this isn't the kind of thing that I get to personally experience that much. But what I have seen is a lot of articles talking about how baby boomers tend to be less tech savvy than Gen X millennial, who tend to be more tech savvy than Gen Z Zoomer. Um, so baby boomers didn't really have technology as they were growing up. Zoomers have really good technology that works really well. And Gen X and millennials had crappy technology that they really needed to work. So they learned a lot of troubleshooting skills. If there's, if there's a generalization that you can

make, I'd say that's pretty fair. Um, I. I mean, my kids are finally getting to the age where they should start to learn some basic troubleshooting. And yeah, no, they don't really have to. Or I'm saying they should in that I would have had to be learning it. I had to know how to use the computer better than my parents by the time I was my son's age, but he doesn't need to. And I guess part of it too is just having more tech savvy parents i was just gonna say i think about that might not be true for everyone because he's pretty he's pretty good well he's good at certain things that i don't know actually which is a really good point like he can he can freaking command blah blah his minecraft way around things and i don't know how the crap Minecraft works. But, you know, if I needed, you know,

to block a domain, for example, because I don't want my kids on TikTok, then obviously he's not going to have a way around that. Hi, DLL. Luke, with the difficulties getting good internet in places like Australia for floatplane servers, is that something that Starlink can help with, or does that only help people watching? Uh, it's, it's the, the problem is routing.

So there, there is an ISP. I don't remember which one. I don't know. Uh, there is an ISP in Australia that we have no problems with like at all. There are other ISPs in Australia that we have tons of problems with, tons of problems with. Tons of problems with. We do delivery for Australia through Cloudflare. So we are working with Cloudflare right now. We have an open ticket with them where there's been some back and forth. We're working with Cloudflare right now to figure that out because we're not doing delivery to Australian viewers of Floatplane throughplane servers in australia um we are doing delivery to australians through cloudflare um so it is pretty wild to me because delivery

everywhere else in the world is pretty good that uh there are australian isps that can have bad routing to a company that like runs half the world's internet. Um, if you know what I mean by that, because that's not, that's obviously not true, but like, I think you get it. Uh, so yeah, I don't know. We, we're working on it. If what we end up having to do is have more than one, um, delivery partner that is like, if we, if we find, uh, uh, a way to serve better to the other range of Australian ISPs and whatnot,

we will do it. We're not going to just leave you stuck in this bad situation forever, but right now we're trying to just work with Cloudflare to figure it out because yeah, it's annoying. And I apologize. I'm going to give Luke another one while Linus finishes off those potentials. And we'll try and rapid fire a few more of these hi i'm a developer i'm curious

what kind of stack is being used for labs like the database front end and stuff uh database the main one we're using we use more than one but the main one we're using is postgres uh the front end is uh the front end is react through next and the back end is TypeScript. Hopefully that answers all the things you're looking for. ADLL, Linus previously said he would not mind to be in South Park. What would the episode be about, and would he care if they portrayed other employees of LMG? I suspect some other employees of LMG might not want to be involved. I would obviously love to be included.

They can make fun of me however they want. That'd be hilarious. What episode would it be? I have no idea. Not a clue. I mean, you know what? I actually, if there was... Literally just an episode about some crazy canadian youtuber

opening a badminton center would probably be yeah but that would be that wouldn't be a south park episode that has no like deeper sort of right it point yeah um i'd say if there was an existing episode i would love it to be the one where they travel all the way to san francisco to like unplug and replug the giant linksys router i'd love to be involved in that plot line somehow. That'd be pretty good. Hi, LTT. Question for Linus. I got tailgated on my way home today.

What is the worst driving you've seen from someone else on the road? Oh my God. I think I've told this story on WAN Show before. Stop me if you've heard it. But I was at Aberdeen center mall luke knows where this is going um and the car in front of me was turning out of the parking lot oh i do know this story but keep going okay so there's a pillar here they take the the corner too tight. And about, I don't know, man, maybe like halfway up the car,

maybe not even halfway, they like hit, they scrape the pillar. Okay? Now you would think they're in like, I don't want to generalize, but they're in a BMW SUV. Okay? So you would think that they would back up. Maybe get out of the car, assess the damage. Find the best way to get out of the situation.

Yeah. No, man. Power through, brother. They hit the gas. They scrape. They take what would have been one panel that needed to be restored, repainted. And they run that pole down the entire side of what is probably like an $85,000 SUV they they go out to the light they turn away I never see them again I watch I'm sitting I'm behind them watching this whole

thing play out I'm like my my jaw is on in my lap just unfathomable actually unfathomable behavior oh yeah uh and it it it it's it's not you know it's it's not like they it was like they hit and run someone else's something or anything no there was no victim utterly victimless crime that pole just that structural support just there that i don't know i don't know do they not care about the money or the extra time? Even the time. The car is going to be in the shop. Don't you want your car? You know?

Yeah. Mine, this isn't my most ridiculous story, but it's my most recent one. Literally last night, I almost got ran over. Oh, what? I was driving. I'll actually be pretty specific. i was driving up the hill on 200th by like the best buy and stuff and there was this big truck in the lane beside me and just decided to all of a sudden over into my lane and i had to crank the wheel to dodge over to the side

and then just you you see him like realize that i'm there and that i just dodged him and go back into his own lane actually i have no idea if it was a he or she or whatever i don't know yeah we're generalizing um go back into their own lane and then kind of like pause for a second and then just foot on the floor and you know how it's like a lot of lanes there foot on the floor whips past me goes all the way way wide right to get around everybody, blows past people, the light is green, gets way up in the front, goes all the way way over to the left. No, it's a, no, just a big like lifted truck.

Got it. Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, a professional driver did this? No, no, no, no, no, no. Got it. Flies all over the place, all this kind of stuff. Yeah.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Got it. Flies all over the place, all this kind of stuff. Yeah. We get to the next light past that one. And I mean, as per usual, they're just right there because they didn't get away. So I like laid into the horn a little bit when it first happened because I wasn't even sure if they saw me at all. And then when we got up there, I gave him a little like, I still see you. I like that passive aggressive move.

Yeah. I approve. Yeah. But that was that was fun yeah like would have completely totaled my car because their front tire would have gone over my front left fender and just like dropped

right into my engine bay so that would have sucked but yeah made it dodged them almost had a reason to get a new car, but now I still don't have a reason to get a new car. So I'm okay with that. Are your fixed screwdrivers going to be through tang so they are durable and can be hammered?

Um, no. the reason for that is that if we were our main goal is to make them available in a wide variety of different handle configurations and shaft thicknesses and shaft lengths and so we are going to have them be sort of semi-modular so we can stock components of screwdrivers and then build them to order essentially not quite to order but we can build from our stock of shafts and handles so you can kind of mix and match them when you when you order you can get exactly the screwdriver you want and for us to do that um for us to do a like a through tang we wouldn't be able to customize them to that degree um unfortunately love using the screwdriver every day in my wind tunnel at nasa sick oh given your recent interest in lab grade equipment what is a lab you would love to visit wherever you are you should reach

out and invite us to check out your wind tunnel at nasa that'd be awesome shameless i'm just gonna collect all the nasa people yeah i see that's so cool um i'm serious by the way man something i haven't gone to yet honestly i would kind of rather my engineers go look if that kind of makes sense because i'm not the one who's involved in developing these test procedures these days anymore right like i it's it's above my pay grade so yeah i i i would rather ask the engineers what what they want to see i think that it would be really cool we oh's a good answer. You know what? We actually had... I'll go too. Oh my God.

We had DxOMark reach out to us and want to collaborate on a tour of their place and collaborate on sharing methodologies with each other and stuff like that. I thought that was super cool. That's awesome. Yeah. That's really cool. And we'd totally be open to reciprocating as well if anyone wanted to check out what we're doing, maybe it was for a little bit better setup. We're still, we still have a lot of equipment to get in place. Um, we started off with a really wide scope of the amount of things we wanted to do. We really did.

Yeah. And the reality of it is, I don't think there was an alternative to that because it would have taken forever just based, even just based on, never mind hiring. Hiring takes forever. But lead time of freaking equipment takes forever. We would have never gotten to video cards if we had waited to start video cards until after we had mastered power supplies and CPUs and GPUs and headphones

and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It just would have never happened. So no, we're just going to go parallel, go wide. Then some stuff will eventually get over the line and other stuff will take a little longer. And then at least we'll have that some stuff done. Is it worth getting an 8 gig card nowadays if you plan on sticking with 1080p for the next few years?

Also update on the wooden handle screwdriver the lower the detail level you play at the less likely you are to run into a vram limitation and the lower end the gpu you have the less likely you are to be running on ultra ultra settings with that said there are some ports recently that are well capable of utilizing more than eight gigs of vram with playable settings so it all depends on you know how much you expect to run games at the maximum settings i mean there are cases where an eight gig gpu is substantially cheaper than one with more vram sort of except that there are also cases where you can get a GPU with more VRAM for the same price, or in some cases, even less. So if you must buy something brand new current generation, yeah, you kind of have no choice, I guess, get an eight gig card or something and don't expect to,

you know, run at maximum texture quality. But if you're willing to explore other options, there's last gen cards from amd that are particularly good value right now and we did that video recently where i found that 10 gig rtx 3080s are just killer value right now like i paid about the same as you'd pay for a 4060 ti for a card that is way faster has 20 more VRAM and still had like 10 months of warranty on it. No brainer. We got to, uh, there isn't that many left, but we do have to crank it out. Cause you got, you got 12 minutes. Oh yeah. Okay. Let's try and finish in five and we'll play one game of hockey before I go. Nice. Nice. Okay. Hi, Mr. Tech Tips tips you read my tech hot take about evs and

walkable cities and i really enjoyed reading discussions about it in the comments what is your favorite discourse started by you warranty discussion let's talk about how meaningful a written warranty is yeah let's do it i do think you i opened a bunch there's also a lot of people that are like no no no no so i don't know i don't care we can talk about it no we're not talking about it. Always like to hear L&L work relationship stories. What are some Luke tips for advocating for his team when bringing issues to Linus? I mean, it's not... There's a lot of ways I could say this that would misrepresent how it actually goes. I don't think it's actually difficult.

Like you, you see, you watch, if you watch a movie and there's like some boss who's like a jerk and refuses to listen to the like engineer people, like that's not what's going on. I have to bring a good enough argument why we can't or won't or shouldn't do something. But if I do so so linus will listen to it so like i don't know bring a good enough argument or find a better pause or i'll say no we can't right now and i'll provide a reason but you have to you have to reach like you have to reach consensus yeah so be open yourself to changing your stance on things based on whatever. This is a two-way street.

And then also make sure that you're working with someone who will do that or try to find gainful employment elsewhere. Did you hear that Gamers Nexus and Level One Techs want to try to make a standard for RGB and fan control stuff? Yeah. Thoughts? Good luck. Yeah. I hope it doesn't go the XKCD.d is that it xkcd way i've referenced that so many times today actually yeah hey let's make a new step there's too many standards let's

make a standard that unifies them all there are now one more standards 927 i think i mean the problem the problem from my point of view is that they need buy-in from the PC hardware industry. That's tough. And, you know, we don't even have standard connectors for, like, power buttons and power LEDs. Like, we don't even have a standard header for that. RGB is a lot more complex than, like, putting those pins in the same spot. Can we all just put those pins in the same spot? No. Well, okay, then.

It'd be pretty sweet if we could. Yeah. Good luck. Super excited for GameLinked. Any plans for retro content in addition to the newest releases? GameLinked is news. It's mostly news. Yep.

Let's see. Hey, LMG crew. I went to a new doctor recently, and that day and thereafter, I had received constant spam calls. How do you guys feel about doctors or other companies selling your information? Does LTT? Of course not. No, we don't.

And that is super BS that any doctor or anyone else should be able to. And hopefully they get crushed legally and you want the last potential uh yeah send it i have a physical disability that makes my dexterity not the best but the ltd screwdriver made my building my pc so accessible for me thank you any other merch you think makes life accessible i mean i wouldn't have thought the screwdriver made life particularly accessible i'm wondering if it's because it's the lack of the back force that's right oh i can almost guarantee that yeah oh that makes sense yeah i just like it so we made it good um i don't know what else to tell you oh wait okay no no this is, I'm so sorry.

This is totally unrelated to your question. I actually cannot think of anything, but someone else asked about updates on the wooden screwdriver and I didn't respond to that part. Oh. It looks like it might be possible. It's not going to be cheap.

We have to, we have to do like a metal collar for the selector ring and then like machine out a wooden like cover for it because it has to be metal on the inside it can't be made of wood yeah um this part i think we can machine uh yeah i think we can do it but it's going to be really expensive like this is going to be a premium tool and um you'll feel dumb for buying it i'll say that i witnessed a certain version of a screwdriver that nick showed me today i'm not from whoa Not prominent. Whoa. Ah. Whoa. I don't even want to know how much. That's going to be like $300 or $400 if it ever makes it to market.

I'm surprised it's that little. Yeah, I don't know. I expect it, honestly, like way higher. I don't think that'll ever make it to the product. I don't think so either. It's amazing. The engineering team, okay, you know, I might as well tell you guys. You know the stupid 3D printed version of the screwdriver?

Okay, well, they did a machined version of a slightly less heavy stupid metal. And they managed to assemble a fully working all metal screwdriver made of, I think it's aluminum and brass. It's kind of amazing. That's probably not going to happen the amount of machine time for that thing is ridiculous and the difficulty compared to doing something in wood i think is going to be very very high yes and it makes no sense it's going to be so flipping heavy it was really heavy it's really heavy and that's the aluminum one the steel one tynan has at his desk the 3d printed one is just it's like a weight he just curls it that's why he's so huge yeah

and this is the huge end of the show thank you guys so much for tuning in we will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye I have no idea how many people are watching this. I just like never brought up that one. Maybe nobody. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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