The WAN Show - Where Will This End? - WAN Show November 25, 2022

Episode Date: November 28, 2022

Make compliance easy with Kolide at: https://www.kolide.com/WAN Get a $100 60-day credit on your new account at: http://linode.com/wan Start using AnyDesk today at lm.gg/AnyDesk Timestamps: (Courtesy of NoKi1119 NOTE: Timestamps may be off due to sponsor change) 0:00 Chapters 1:13 Intro - Dark Mode 1:42 Topic #1 - Mercedes's EV acceleration subscription 1:50 Linus on Alex's stance 3:20 Everything is included, so why lock features? 5:33 Shareholders & revenue, discussing automobile companies 8:14 Trickle-down economics, Linus's perspective on taxes 14:26 New Jersey banned similar vehicle subscriptions 16:16 Homelessness, Elon Musk on $6B "solving world hunger" 18:42 Devil's advocate on Mercedes charge & warranty costs 20:30 Subscription offers up to 24% more horsepower 22:18 Topic #2 - Intel's On-Demand Sapphire Rapids CPUs 25:08 Discussing Ai 1 airbag vest's subscription pricing 27:16 Topic #3 - eufy uploads pictures without user consent 28:31 Facial recognition, snapshot of feed 29:09 eufy replies: "this is for notifications," disproved instantly 30:10 Remotely start a stream of unencrypted feeds via VLC 31:47 Recapping the controversy, LTT is done with Anker 33:51 Does the Smart Scale send "pictures" to the Chinese government? 36:13 Luke's girlfriend's interactable robot vacuum 37:05 LTTStore Black Friday deal 37:44 Sponsors 45:25 Floatplane roast on Luke not buying anything 46:54 Topic #4 - The last seven days in Twitter #2 47:05 Elon on "Freedom of speech is NOT freedom of reach" policy 49:20 Elon's poll on reinstating suspended accounts, delaying Blue Verified 51:29 Elon's poll on offering "amnesty" to the banned, Blue to launch on December 2nd 53:07 Luke's hot takes on Twitter & news on social media 56:34 Balenciaga's controversial children campaign 1:02:10 LTTStore wallet & tie ideas 1:04:13 LTTstore tie design, FP poll: do you wear ties? 1:06:38 LTTStore wallet & passport case design 1:09:26 Merch Messages #1 1:09:54 What is on Linus's & Luke's Christmas lists? 1:15:57 Would have Luke hired Linus for LukeTechTips? 1:17:12 Topic #5 - Meta focuses on AI 1:17:41 Linus on machine learning versus AI 1:19:43 Cicero AI, performs greatly in the game Diplomacy 1:22:18 Linus discusses Google Assistant's voice recognition 1:22:57 Galactica AI, generates scientific "answers" 1:26:22 Linus explains his stance on machine learning 1:27:20 Topic #6 - Marvel "used to be good" 1:30:58 SOLIDWORKS to sponsor an LTT video 1:33:32 Merch Messages #2 1:36:00 LTT content are mostly "top-end" complaint 1:39:18 LTT's audio production video explained 1:39:57 Why are companies becoming more abrasive to our wallets? 1:40:43 Thanksgiving holiday traditions 1:42:28 Thoughts on an alternative to car subscriptions 1:43:20 What does Linus wish to accomplish in 10-20 years? 1:45:01 Labs to host a trustworthy UserBenchMark competitor? 1:45:45 Luke stops Linus from showcasing beta Labs site 1:48:46 Creating an environment where people can freely criticize? 1:56:40 GoXLR mixer, Luke's experience 1:57:48 Why Linus hasn't done mystery science theater, thoughts on Disney & Star Wars 2:01:52 Update on the Floatplane as a service idea 2:03:05 Twitch losing streaming credits 2:04:21 Delaying content with other creators if one does not receive a sample? 2:05:24 LTTStore Backpack bundle in the future 2:06:10 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Mercedes. Mercedes is going to be locking better acceleration performance behind a subscription. Never mind a paywall. It's a subscription. Also, this week in Elon Twitter, we've got an update on all of that we're gonna uh you know what let's not even make that a main topic no forget it let's talk about uvcs up you see uh that's right a sub brand of charger slash battery giant anchor has been spotted sending pictures and video to their cloud servers without user consent we'll be discussing that what

else we got this week i'm gonna call out two just randomly bolded lines of text because those are often the most fun topics that we have one of them says marvel used to be good okay and i'm interested in desperation topics another one says i got a car what's up with that did you buy a new car oh i tried to roll the intro and it broke um um uh dan dan dan what's happening way to go dan what is happening we could act it out cool well that was fun uh why don't we jump right into our first topic of the day subscriptions come on not accelerate oh man okay i want to jump in real quick here and say that the editorializing in our notes is unacceptable and the writer who worked on this topic you know who you are alex clark oh wow yeah oh not okay i'm this are these are not my words not satisfied with just making the worst electric cars around mercedes will now be locking

increased acceleration under a 1200 yearly subscription oh all right this is me now. This is me. That's so much. Can I just say that even though Alex is so angry about this, you can almost tell that subliminally he has kind of accepted the premise of a subscription. And here, I will explain what I mean by that. He describes it as them locking increased acceleration behind a $1,200 yearly subscription. I think that if we described this situation 10 years ago, we would have said holding acceleration hostage

unless you pay $1,200 of ransom. Yeah. Right? Because the acceleration is there. Yeah. You were supposed to be more mad. Yeah. Yeah.

You weren't mad enough. Come on. More editorializing. I do not agree with Alex's approach to this topic. For real though, we've kind of accepted it. We say you pay this much to get more we don't think of it as what i haven't paid enough and you're taking it away but that's what it is the battery performance is clearly in the vehicle the motor performance is clearly in the vehicle and unlike some situations

where and we'll talk about one in a moment where i've even defended subscriptions to unlock functionality there is no additional r&d in this product that was going to be no benefit to the average user of it but that they had to do for a small subset of users who well then have to pay for that cost you're buying a mercedes you probably want this exactly yeah exactly and and unlike some situations where maybe the cost of the product is extremely low like say for example uh in many cases the heart okay sure even something like a cell phone a lot of the time you get the hardware subsidized by the monthly subscription and ultimately you are paying for it you're paying for it and then some yeah but you're getting it on a payment plan no this is a car you already

bought yeah it's literally just a micro transaction of twelve hundred dollars for a car twelve hundred dollars that's a lot a hundred dollars a month yeah think about the things in your life that cost a hundred dollars a month the internet about the things in your life that cost a hundred dollars a month the internet connection to my house that gets extensive extensive use extensive use oh yeah and it's like that's the only thing it does of course it's a subscription it has to be used monthly yeah i don't own the lines i don't own the distribution all that type of stuff so super frustrating i am really hopeful that automotive hackers just wreak havoc on all of this stuff i don't know if that's like super hold on hold on friendly we would hate for that to happen yeah definitely don't want that super upsetting but if people went in there and unlocked this

and also the heated seats and also everything else think of the poor automakers wouldn't that be horrible wouldn't that be a shame for them well you know why this is happening luke i don't even necessarily think that this is down to a consumer acceptance of this practice this is down to a shareholder expectation that when something is sold it generates ongoing revenue yeah like i was talking to uh i was talking to someone i don't want to identify this person so it was someone either on the doing of or receiving end of some kind of vc something okay so venture capital and what they basically said was that no VC wants to even start a conversation with you unless there's a recurring revenue model.

And you can see this reflected in the stocks of mature companies that are kind of sitting here going, and you could describe the automotive industry as fairly mature. Tesla came in, they disrupted because they had a value add. They had a promise of something different. Autonomous driving, for example, was going to be a source of ongoing revenue for them it was going to change them from just a car company to a to a data company to a software company right and especially at that time software company valuations were nothing like hardware company valuations right and nothing like they are now so this is a way for a mature company

like a mercedes to say hey we're building hardware as a service right we've got recurring revenue we're going to put out you know however many hundreds of thousands of these cars this year and they are going to be the gift that keeps on giving for a decade two decades to come. Well, it sucks. It sucks because cars cost enough already, Mercedes. To me, this feels like a big part of the reason why so many people have been against right to repair for a long time. Because right to repair, I think,

would shelter a lot of activities that would get people to a point where they could bypass this type of stuff. Because hardware interventions... Oh, when you said people being against right to they could bypass this type of stuff. Because hardware interventions... Oh, when you said people being against right to repair, I thought you meant consumers. And I was like, no, I think consumers who are against right to repair are simply brainwashed.

Yeah. I actually do think it's that straightforward. Or the reason for brainwashing or whatever else, however you want to flag it. Yeah, so the advocates against right to repair. I think a lot of it has been because of this type of stuff because it's if people have full control over the things that they own which is how that should work it's easier for them to bypass these types of things um to enable this by default um by bypassing it

physically or doing whatever else um yeah i uh yeah this sucks i wouldn't buy a mercedes i wasn't going to anyways to be clear yeah well but now i definitely won't alan on float plane says you just described my favorite topic linus the financialization of the economy it all traces back to reagan era policy changes and deregulation one of the most mind-boggling things and if you feel like this is a political conversation you're wrong it's not political it's just math math is not political it's just numbers okay one of the most mind-blowing things to me is the acceptance among certain groups of the idea of trickle-down economics yeah it is so i had this conversation with my dad a little while ago because he listens to a lot of podcasts and gets a lot of ideas that i just i simply i can't i can't follow him there um but

this was this was one thing in particular that i went look pops we got to talk about this because you are literally a math teacher if you cannot follow me with the math on this and come to the conclusion that no in fact this is not a good concept and not something that could ever make any sense or ever work i i don't know if we're living in the same reality anymore yeah yeah the argument okay the argument for trickle-down economics is that if you tax the businesses less, they will have more money left over to shower upon their employees. That's the idea. It will put more money into the economy where it will circulate, which is a good thing. That's the idea. Let me explain why it doesn't work. Okay. I am a business owner and this was the only way I was able to get through to him. I was able to get through to him. I am a business owner. That's rare. So let's give me, let's give me a couple hypotheticals here. Let's say that I had a tax rate of about 50%. Okay. Um um just to use nice easy numbers so let's say my business does a million dollars

of profit okay on that profit you only pay taxes on profit okay you don't pay taxes on gross revenues you pay taxes after all of your expenses and deductions. You pay it on your profit. So if I have a high tax rate, I just paid half a million dollars in taxes, right? Which sucks. Nobody wants to pay half a million dollars in taxes. And so I can see where on the surface, you might reach this conclusion that, okay, well, we should probably tax you less so that you hire more people. Here's the mind-blowing bit. If I hired more people, say half a million dollars worth of people, the taxes that I

would pay on the $500,000 that I was left with for profit are actually only $250,000. Now, you might say, yeah, but Linus, 500 grand left over is a lot better than 250 grand left over. It is, but, and this is one of the biggest lies of trickle-down economics, that it incentivizes, by lowering taxes, you incentivize investments into businesses so that they'll grow. Let's think, what would be most efficient if i had a high tax rate spending half of my money paying taxes or hiring people growing the size of my business reinvesting in it and ultimately making money like that by doing something productive by creating jobs and growing the

size of my business and value of the company now let's do it the other way let's say the tax rate is only 10 so now i have that million dollars and i'm thinking oh i paid a hundred thousand dollars in taxes i got 900 grand well that seems pretty good i think i'll keep it it's so it's not like you have to do like a deep psychological analysis of oh yeah of human behavior i mean with basic observation you can see it across the board that's pretty obvious so now if i were to spend you know half a million dollars hiring more people um why you have 400 yeah i i i i i well i just won't do that i'll just take more and that's what has created this climate where people are incentivized to simply hoard wealth like dragons because that 900 grand is very effectively deployed either in the markets or in uh you know resources speculative investments whatever the case may be whereas if you tell me well hey if you don't use

it on your operating company i'ma take it away well i'm highly incentivized to invest it into my operating company yeah that's how this works that's that's that's that's how the growth that took place leading up to the 80s happened i have no idea how receptive people are to this topic or whatever else but it's something that's really important to me and really frustrating to me especially as a business owner who like literally runs into literally that problem well yeah yeah as a business owner who doesn't have to who doesn't have to put myself in a hypothetical situation to understand how i could be incentivized one way or the other no successful business owner likes wasting money and pretty much every successful business owner sees paying taxes as pretty much a spectacular waste of money it has no benefit to me yeah at a certain point from your level

of perception you're deleting it i don't think anybody likes paying taxes obviously i'm pretty grateful that there's somewhere to yeah there's somewhere to take my kids to get an education there's a road to get there there's a road to drive on yeah right but but from like a my bank account stand yeah i don't think it's a i don't think it's a wild um belief or a wild perception to say that once taxes leave my wallet they're just they're gone yeah you know yeah so i um to bring to bring us back to the mercedes conversation yeah yeah just there's a really really good comment in flow plane chat so i wanted to bring it out whiskey nerd 88 said the state of new jersey banned subscription models like this for cars i am proud of my state for this amazing absolutely fantastic way to go new jersey

yeah can we just find more politicians like the ones who got that going? Yeah. And only elect people like that. That'd be great. That would be perfect. I have no idea who did that, but good job, New Jersey, because that's absolutely fantastic. Yeah. Shout out.

Super, super cool. Shout out. But yeah, no, I don't even know how we got onto that topic. Yeah, sorry. I don't know. But I think that was a good rundown because I feel pretty strongly about all that as well. There was another topic that was in the chat

that I had really wanted to talk about, but I didn't copy paste it into my little notepad. So I guess I missed out on it. Someone said, doesn't New Jersey stop you from pumping your own gas though? We didn't say they're perfect. We're just proud of them for this one thing. Okay, I don't know that much about new jersey um just you know what no

subscriptions for cars is great good job and everyone can have a win sometime yeah just because they're not perfect all the time doesn't mean that we shouldn't say great job when they do something right absolutely i think the world needs a little bit more of that yeah you know what i don't agree with you on everything but you nailed that one good job you know like yeah we just we need more of that man yeah um yeah a lot of discussion about taxes in the float plane chat yeah paying taxes is good when it's spent properly says poner guy watching it get pissed away on you know six thousand dollar a night hotel rooms makes me want to abolish tax yeah 100 taxes is great taxes is really misuse of taxes is infuriating that happens a lot we were talking recently whoa don't know if i want to go down that

road you know what i'm talking about no the six billion dollars a year thing or whatever i don't know i think we can talk about it without um i do not wish to wade into this debate because it's an extremely complex topic and if anyone claims to have a simple solution they're either a simpleton or a liar uh we have a homelessness crisis in van that I think is fairly well publicized throughout the world. And there's a lot of debate on, you know, there's a lot of debate on every side of this issue, of this very complex multifaceted issue about what the best way to tackle it is whether it's safe injection sites or whether it's a harder stance against the availability of substances that lead people to this uh this homelessness and opioid abuse crisis that we hear that we're facing in our city um and one of the things that regardless of what the correct solution is that came to light recently here in Vancouver,

is that the cost of the ongoing upkeep and care is so high, like so astronomically high that it sort of defies any kind of reason. It feels unimaginable that they couldn't have done something more with five billion a year in funding yeah like i whatever it is i'm not saying that i have the answer no and i'm not saying that i have the answer either it's an extraordinary complicated issue absolutely but to see that many people still struggling in that way suffering absolutely knowing that five billion dollars is being spent to theoretically ease that suffering and seeing it still going on is like what i don't know i i don't think it's the thing that you can completely solve at any point in time but the level of it in vancouver is brutal so yeah that's not even where we are like we're

not even that close to vancouver but you don't want something in your backyard to be nobody wants their neighbor to suffer yeah and if they do they suck yeah if you want your neighbor to suffer you suck it's that simple right yeah anyways off that sad topic uh Prime Gaming's Biggie229. That's a Twitch username if I've ever seen one. Devil's Advocate. This extra charge on the Mercedes covers the extra usage of equipment due to that acceleration.

In parentheses, warranty costs. So, you can sell the same car, but Joe, who doesn't care for the GeForce, doesn't pay, doesn't get 0 to 60 in however many, you know, single handfuls of seconds. But Jimmy does care and it might cost more in warranty returns. So he covers the cost using this charge. It's not a bad devil's advocate argument, but I would make the argument that if that little bit of extra acceleration is going to make the car blow up then you probably shouldn't have it available at all yeah sounds good that's my that's my response to that so if it's validated for it then you should unlock it and honestly

speaking car warranties suck anyway they are they are not very generous and to be clear i it's not like i'm not painfully aware of the warranty debacle that we went through recently, but it's not the same thing. Car warranties are laid out in very black and white terms, and it's very clear from my interactions with every dealer and every car manufacturer that I've ever encountered that they will do absolutely everything they can to avoid taking care of you. It's the very opposite of trust me bro which we go out of our way to make sure that even if something's not covered by our warranty we take care of the customer it's a completely different philosophical approach to warranty coverage

and so from my point of view um i just don't have any sympathy for car manufacturers and their feeble warranty coverage um at all. Yeah, yeah, screw them. All right, should we talk about the other stuff in here? Because it's not just Mercedes. We talked recently about... Alex had one more thing to talk about there, and I think it's probably fair to point out.

Did I miss it? Yeah, the acceleration increase is going to boost horsepower and torque of the various trims by 20 to 24 so it's not insubstantial um improving zero to 60 times by almost a second which is a lot and alex said and he i think he's right here i'm actually not super against users paying once for an update like this um especially you know in it doesn't it it it could be less man maybe this, it, it, it could be less, man, maybe this is just him accepting

again. It could be less toxic. I mean, what I'd like to see is if they do the R and D and figure out that it's like better, then they should just keep selling more cars and roll it out to everybody, provide extra value for under promise over deliver. Right. But he's right. It could be a lot less worse.

Like if they put in the R andd to increase the acceleration which is not insubstantial you have to go and take these cars that you like already worked on already finished already delivered and go do a bunch more extensive testing on them and go oh wow we can actually squeeze a little bit more out of this then yeah by all means offer that as an ota update to an old model but to have to be planning on it the 2024 be planning on it and offering it as a subscription when you're clearly doing not as a one time either yeah it's kind of like day zero dlc you know you remember how frustrated people used to get i just installed the dlc's on the disc you already made it i just paid full price for this game and it's not like they're giving you a discount on the car

no okay so that's it that's it for the mercedes but there's even more bad subscription news let's go i don't know if it had this name the last time we talked about it but we have sort of talked about this before yet uh yeah so intel now has officially revealed their Intel on-demand branding, which will allow owners of fourth gen Xeon scalable. I like that. This fourth gen scalable Sapphire Rapids processors to either pay a one time fee, not as bad, or a recurring subscription, horrible uh to unlock this includes software guard extensions dynamic load balancer intel data streaming accelerator intel in-memory analytics accelerator intel in-memory analytics accelerator again uh or intel quick assist technology that's quite a few things and some things that are actually pretty legit. The,

it having an option for a one-time, in my opinion, does make it better. That helps a lot. That helps a ton. The fact that Mercedes doesn't have an option for a one-time purchase does make it significantly worse. Now, do I think Intel is going to make these processors cheaper to make it so

that the full fat price would be all of the one-time purchases plus the purchase of the processor no and that's where a little bit of the problem comes in um and yeah we'll also have to see what the one-time cost versus the subscription cost is um it doesn't say how much the one-time fee is do you get a discount if you buy all of them at once? I don't know. Lots of unknowns, but yeah. Extremely frustrating. I don't mind subscriptions as much when they are commercial products. It offends me. And I'm coming at this from my dual perspectives, one as a consumer and two as a business owner because the reality of it is that anything that you are buying as a business should be used to theoretically generate revenue yeah and well then it just becomes it's an entirely different

calculus right because if it's a hundred dollars a month but I can make $1,000 a month, then it's a lot easier to justify. Whereas I think that going past business, past prosumer, all the way to consumer grade devices, you have, it's less of a calculation of how much money can I make with this. In fact, it almost never is how much money can I make with this and it's more about how does this improve my quality of life and that answer has to be it improves my quality of life a lot it shouldn't be how much would not paying this yeah diminish your quality of life because that's when it becomes not a subscription to a service that's when it becomes a ransom for some kind of quality of life improvement that is being held hostage from you. And it's very frustrating.

There's another dystopian product paywall that in this situation maybe kind of makes sense. How does this make sense? It's the Klim AI-1 airbag vest. So it's a motorcycle vest. AI1 airbag vest. So it's a motorcycle vest. I believe there's actually some... There's some features of it that are connected, if I recall correctly.

There's one of these airbag vest-style products that definitely did work like that. I don't know if it's this one. So it won't work unless you pay to activate its sensor platform. It's $400 for permanent activation okay thank you for having that i have that 100 120 for a one-year subscription or 60 for six months it's actually cheaper on black friday apparently um the positive argument in this case is that many people ride motorbikes seasonally so this allows them to pause their subscription when they don't

ride so you buy a six-month package however it's not discounted on the one year version however it is absolutely dystopian oh yeah to have subscriptions tied to basically every bloody thing you own and no i don't think this one is one that has like a phone home there was definitely one that i saw at some point or maybe i'm imagining it i don't know but that had like a home phone feet a phone home feature so that it would actually call someone if you crashed okay and that was part of the justification for the for the subscription fee i remember forever ago we talked about this helmet that would deploy it wasn't like a motorcycle helmet it was a like a pedal biking sure fixed gear helmet um and it would it would deploy over your head you wore it around your neck and it would deploy over your head when you were falling uh but it wouldn't do it if you weren't subscribed this was like a long time ago um and i was not a fan of that

um yeah you guys will have to tell me if this one actually fires off a why i don't fully understand yeah so you have to activate its sensor platform. So is it sending data out and then it's getting processed remotely all the time? That I'm not sure, but... I wouldn't trust that. Yeah, I wouldn't trust that either. But that's a perfect segue into our next topic, which is going to be UFI sees UP, you see. Okay. Yeah.

What the heck is this? Okay. This is bad and... No, no, don't read it all. I'm going to read it out to you because it starts bad and then gets hilariously bad okay eufy a sub-brand of charger slash battery giant anchor has been caught sending pictures to their cloud servers without user consent oh to which you might say yeah surprise surprise but, surprise. But wait, there's more.

Paul Moore, a security consultant, was reviewing the Eufy Doorbell Duel, a camera-equipped smart doorbell that claims that recorded footage will be kept private and stored locally with military-grade encryption. What does that mean? That means AES-256. Okay. As far as I can tell. Nice. But upon some snooping, it turned out that eufy was sending

user data to the cloud including full resolution images from the camera despite claiming in their marketing materials that the files are stored locally and there's no cloud integration oh oh there's a link we can actually check their website now ready have they updated no clouds or costs whoopsie daisies no cost because you're the product anyway i'm sorry um the files are not only uploaded to the cloud but also tagged with facial recognition that ties the images that ties the images to a user okay it also takes a snapshot of the feed before a face was recognized and uploads that to the cloud as well. And it's not like Mr. Moore is just making things up. You know, going on Mr. Moore story time to make Yuffie look bad. Other users have tested the same thing and found that the files were uploaded even when they had never used the web UI.

But wait, it gets even better you might think that mr moore might have reached out to eufy and been ignored yeah not so he reached out and they replied saying that they were aware the photos were being uploaded and that it was for notification purposes no and that the pictures were deleted afterward oh they also said that they plan to encrypt the api messages oh we plan on doing this meaning well no no this is i'm sure they do because that will make it harder for users to detect that their images are being they said that well no they didn't say the quiet part out loud okay but they said that they will be encrypting the api messages yeah yeah yeah further testing by paul showed that

this wasn't the case as after he deleted his pictures and notifications from the app he was still able to access the images hosted online oh no another user discovered that you can remotely start a stream and watch the unencrypted live camera feeds without authentication using vlc this is this is junk we used to do when i was in high school you can you can remotely start a stream and watch their cameras live no authentication no encryption oh hey what's up paul i actually didn't know that we were specifically called out that was was Paul himself on Twitter. Well, great work, Paul. Yeah, great work indeed. This is a massive, massive... This is disgusting.

Not just user data, you know, mishandling scandal. This is a legal problem. Apparently, Yuffie did initially deny to paul m what was going on um there's another thing in here where he deleted his or yeah he deleted his account i thought he said yeah yeah yeah uh oh so that's next oh wait he deleted his account all together never mind just deleting yeah so he deleted the pictures first off his local app or whatever. And then later, he found out that after deleting his account, he could still access his photos. Wow. So their whole like, we're getting rid of these, we're recycling these things.

He was also able to access the AES-128. That's slightly less military grade encryption. Yeah. The key in plain text by looking at the API calls. So to recap, it appears that Eufy is storing images of faces with usernames attached to them on public-facing

servers without encryption. They expose their own encryption keys in their API calls and allow users to access unencrypted streams without authentication. Our discussion question, compared to previous breaches, how bad is it? Bad.

Yeah, well, it depends which breach you're talking about because we've had like, there's the Australian breach where everyone's like passports leaked out. But then there's been leaks, breaches that aren't as bad. So yeah, I don't know. It's really bad though. How do we stop companies from being so uh um by suing them in ways that are actually meaningful yeah like not

just cost of doing business fines like when something this bad happens you actually it needs to hurt to oblivion one of the biggest so that everyone else is afraid. Do you make an example out of them? We've talked about this on Wen Show actually a bunch. One of the biggest problems with tech lawsuits is it's often unimpactful amounts of money that they have to pay. Well, it's not just that it's unimpactful.

It's that it takes so long to reach a verdict with all the appeals and all the legal processes that you have to go through in order to actually reach the point where they pay a fine that the amount that they have probably made on that bad behavior during that time dwarfs the cost of the fine it's not even just it's not even just how much of a percentage of their overall revenue it is it's on a per illegal action basis that we're telling them it's worth it go for it yeah absolutely uh cassandra asks

are you guys going to continue working with anchor over this absolutely not you heard it here first we're done with anchor and that sucks because i really liked anchor yeah i've liked a lot of their products over the years that blows that is absolutely what we should be doing but it just sucks yeah yeah um to do if yuffie smart scale is sending pictures of my balls and taint is that a bad thing um sorry is that one of our discussion questions question yeah um i started reading that before i uh is i have this okay who wrote this topic this is the discussion question completely unaltered okay i have a eufy smart scale is sending pictures of my balls and taint to the chinese government that's what's written on the dog just says is i should have read the whole thing before i started actually reading it out loud is this one of those situations where they went on a walk with their cousins um uh wow um i don't know if the smart scale has a camera pointed up i probably doubt it

i know i think it does what i i think so i thought it did hold on well let's look it up this is talking about like a smart doorbell not a scale hold on maybe it has a camera body fat scale fitness body composite but i i don't know i don't know maybe it does maybe it does visceral fat like maybe it like looks at your your tummy four sensors i don't know luke'm guessing Blah blah blah blah Blah blah blah blah When in the shower you need to spend more time Scrubbing your nether regions

I mean that's a notification Some people could use This notification brought to you by The UV smart scale Be sure to check on What's going on outside your friend's doors by checking out our our unencrypted door cam i mean it might have a camera just because they're not advertising it oh yeah they're doing all kinds of things they didn't say they were doing yeah

it's not like a little tiny pinhole camera costs anything pretty much it could easily have one yeah they you know even 1080p wouldn't be that expensive yeah that was a creepy one right yeah we figured so so i have that robot vacuum thing now and my girlfriend was showing me this super cool new feature of how you can call it and you can see out the front and you can talk through it and stuff and she was like oh yeah i think it's i think it's cool i think it's just so like people can like talk to their pets and stuff and i'm like this is horrifying i hate this we're taping over this this is not happening it's like not cool and a big problem there's no reason why my my admittedly quite awesome i'm very happy with it yeah robot vacuum needs a camera that is accessible through like the internet and

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What should we talk about next man my hot take count is pretty high today we've got taxes yuffie looking at your balls nothing is waterproof i'm doing great i'm doing great uh speaking of hot takes and things should we talk about this week in twitter i can go through it sure okay cool we are going to go through in chronological order starting on friday the 18th elon tweeted out new twitter policy is freedom of speech but not freedom of reach negative slash hate tweets will be max de-boosted and also demonetized elon clarified that this applies to the individual tweet, not the account. And what is a negative tweet? Question mark was asked.

And it doesn't 100% seem like anyone can really answer that. Right. So basically, it's exactly the same problem that we've had with Twitter all this time. Nice. Nice. Nice. There is Twitter did have some stuff that defined hate speech and he has not changed that so maybe that's what they're using this is a guess completely out of the air from

me i have no reason to actually believe this maybe that's what they're using i don't know another option is that they're using nothing and this system doesn't exist which is i think is what's more real because he didn't say it said new twitter policy is this thing it doesn't exist, which is, I think, is what's more real. Because he didn't say, it said new Twitter policy is this thing. It doesn't say that the tools to do this have been made and are being used. And I suspect that they have not been made and are not being used. Got it. But I don't know. Saturday the 19th, Elon Rees states...

Can I just, can I, can I, hold on. I'm so sorry. Can I jump in for a second here? Absolutely. So the whole freedom of reach thing. Yes. And suppressing things. So I don't think it's, someone asked in Flowplane chat,

and I think this is where you're going as well. I don't think this is shadow banning. Well, it isn't. It's shadow suppressing. I think it's as close to shadow banning as you can get. Without just saying shadow banning. Pretty much. Like I think you could go to this person's,

my guesstimation is you could go to this person's account and see it which means it's not shadow banned yeah well i mean but i think it's just not going to be promoted on the the home feed well yeah but if it's if it's algorithmically suppressed isn't that exactly what many of the groups who were so happy about elon taking over have been mad about on other platforms algorithmically suppressing what they're saying so then we all agree that that's bad and that there should be um you know what i i don't know i just can't anymore uh it's at the very least not not not what he was uh theoretically coming in for right but yeah anyways saturday the 19th immediately after that he says he's reinstating a number of prominent suspended accounts

along with Trump's after 15 million users voted on a Twitter poll with 51.8% voting yes and 48.2% voting no. Elon claims 134 million of Twitter's nearly 400 million users have seen this poll democracy

sunday was the sabbath nothing happened on sunday uh there is something that's not in here that there's many things i don't know too much about there was a whole thing with like um uh there was a whole thing discussing like child exploitation hashtags or something like that. I don't know enough about it because I've never... Well, there was the stuff that went down with Balenciaga. That I know enough about to talk outside of dog. Yeah, that we can talk about a little bit later.

But no, this was a separate thing. It was like hashtags that are apparently used for sharing compromising material. And Twitter for a long time had not done enough to to block those hashtags and they've actually done something and have actually done something about it now so i want to make sure that in all of this chaos we recognize things that at least seem to be going well as well yeah so i heard about that during the reading about the balenciaga thing that went down

um and so yeah that that is actually that's that's fantastic the factenciaga thing that went down. And so, yeah, that is actually, that's fantastic. The fact, that is something that I hated about Twitter in the past, was that they were just like openly refusing to deal with obvious pedophilia on the platform. Yep. Which is just ridiculous and unacceptable. And now it has been dealt with, which is great. At least somewhat, right? At least somewhat.

I mean, to say it's dealt with, is great at least some well right at least somewhat i mean to say it's it's dealt with i think is too much of a pretty optimistic yeah uh but at least some amount of step has been done to make it not as bad as it was i'll say that much uh monday the 21st elon uh delays relaunch of blue verified previously set for november 29th uh until there is high confidence of stopping impersonation. Mentions using different colored check marks. Good luck with that. Yeah. Wednesday, the 23rd, Buddy tweets another poll asking if Twitter should offer general amnesty to suspended accounts.

3 million votes. 72.4% saying yes. 27.6% saying no. It's interesting that he's tweeting it, and it's not a poll that the platform is sending out, because I wonder what the demographics following Elon are. Moving forward, Friday the 25th, Elon tweets what he's now calling verified, is tentatively set to launch Friday, December 2nd.

Now with fun new colors. Companies get gold. Government representatives get gray. Individuals get blue and can also have a secondary tiny logo, whatever that means, showing that they belong to an org. All verified accounts will be manually authenticated before check activates have fun sending your personal identification to twitter that is already something you had to do but still um also if apple slash google boots twitter from their app stores elon will just make a phone what yeah that went really well for the zuck cool discussion question can any social media platform

owned by a private corporation really be a town square or do we need a almost certainly worse government-owned platform i just threw it from my mouth a little bit i have said that before too no there's problems across the board it has to be decentralized and it has to actually be outside of any individual's control, at which point it will turn into a cluster. Basically, it doesn't work. We should all abandon social media. Nice. Wow, I thought I was going to be the one with the hot takes today. I hate it all.

You just won. You just won the hot take Olympics. Yeah. As much as Mastodon is not going to work mastodon's idea of joining servers i think is the and like facebook's thing where you theoretically just interact with people in your friends group google's old thing where you theoretically only interacted with people in your circles stuff like that i think that's the only form that is really going to work mastodon to be very clear tons of massive issues i saw some people tweeting out

recently like i wish people didn't talk down on mastodon being hard to use because it's not that hard to use and people should use it so we can get off of twitter yeah if you join someone's server thing as weird as that is they can read all of your personal messages by the way hope you knew that there's lots of problems with mastodon it's It's garbage. Don't use it. In my opinion. That is entirely just my opinion. Wow. He's spicy today. They all suck. They're all terrible.

Just because Twitter is up in fire doesn't mean the rest aren't on fire as well. Okay. Come on. We don't need this type of thing. People act like the only possible way you can get news in the modern era is to look on twitter that is not true there is lots of other ways that it can work including reddit which has been around this whole time you think people don't get news on reddit are you crazy you think reddit isn't fast as heck would you have ever in a thousand years imagined yourself saying no reddit will be our station we did it reddit i just it's better

than twitter oh man yeah i don't know okay we don't need twitter it is not a requirement just because you can't get off it doesn't mean that we need it okay mythbusters 123 in float plane says balenciaga yeah needs to be boycotted can i jump in with a hot take okay why the f**k were you ever buying anything from balenciaga anyway not a hot take are you made of money it's so the amount of balenciaga shoes i saw on my trip was disappointing. I would see someone walk by and be like, what is that? Why is it doing this on your foot? And then I'd be like, oh, it's one of those Balenciaga shoes.

Not those. Those just look like Converse that are way too expensive for no reason. This is $950 Canadian dollars. It looks like Converse with a Hitler stash. What's on the front of it? Did you see that? looks like converse with a hitler stash you know what's on the front of it okay did you see that oh it's just the text are you okay today do you need you are you okay to stay alive yeah because you're spicy i'll be

all right i'll be right the point the point is the way that i see the way that I see a garment like this, and it's funny to me that in the mainstream, it's okay to flex by spending $950 on basic shoes, but you're an idiot for spending $8 on a checkmark on Twitter. Yes, that's funny they're the same thing they are both just spending money to demonstrate that you had money that you couldn't have possibly used for anything else yeah that's the only reason they exist yeah yeah so do we do we talk about what happened with them yeah they apologized and stuff did you see that i saw they apologized but like how did it possibly get that far well so they they had a campaign for something i don't even know what it was i don't even really care it was these weird was it the doll thing yeah they were purses that looked like stuffed animals in like um like s&m garb yeah Yeah. Yeah.

But the photo shoot had kids in it. Like actual, like young children. Small children, which is really weird off the bat, just due to the subject matter of what they're trying to sell, which was already really weird off the bat. Two really weird things. These things should not be together right yeah okay sounds good but i think that was the point of the campaign on the desk yeah there was papers yes and without intense levels of sleuthing but by like zooming in a little bit and turning it so

that it was you know the right side up you could see that these were papers about court cases about that basically were loopholes um for the for the i forget if it was the distribution of or the ownership of a base but basically child pornographic material yeah now what i will say I haven't seen their apology. What I will say is that it is possible. Think about the kinds of artiste people you've met in your life. It is possible that it's somewhere other than Balenciaga's legal executive level. It is possible that somewhere, someone was trying to be edgy

and made that decision without informing someone it's just so uncomfortable however the campaign which was obviously designed to generate shock must have been approved at a high enough level that i'm just not really willing to give them a pass on it that's kind of where i'm at on it i do think that certain aspects of it might have happened by accident but what i don't think is that this was uh oh oh we had no idea this was going to be controversial no no you knew you 100 knew that's why you did it like i i've had the experience being the executive of a company where something happens a decision gets made absolutely something gets communicated and i didn't know and i'm

furious and that's not what i would have done yeah i've had that experience yeah and i'm f***ing furious and that's not what I would have done. Yeah. I've had that experience. Yeah. And I'm sure for some people at Balenciaga, that's what's happening right now. They're going, how could this possibly have happened? But they also can't pretend that people who have been entrusted with the brand, some of them at least, were not involved in this happening. Where's the parents of these kids? There's like, I can't find it but they like uh instagrammed out um some some things uh apologizing or whatever and and i think

they are going after yeah they so they filed the 25 million dollar suit against the producers of the advertising campaign um so theoretically it was done outside of company yeah okay so then yeah i told you i hadn't seen the apology but that sounds like yeah the kind of thing that would happen but the thing is someone must have seen we've talked i think we've talked a lot about the agency structure, right? Where companies hire agencies and they hire agencies so that everyone who works on their marketing is a contractor who works for a separate third party and so that they can quickly and easily

A, get rid of them or B, absolve themselves of any responsibility for what their agencies do. That's the whole point. But it doesn't work. You're still responsible for it. So you might as well just have a team of people internally who understand your brand and know what the f*** they're doing. And this is case in point right here. This demonstrates why I was right about that all along. That's why we don't have an, that's why I don't have and that's why i don't have an agent that's why we don't have an

outside marketing agency because who could possibly understand us and our story better than the people who work here and interact with us every day yeah then you don't have this problem yeah you're welcome balenciaga it was a lesson on how to not be just utterly irresponsible if people are wondering like how the heck we got onto that topic a lot of that went down on twitter yeah um so that was a thing that happened on twitter that's what we were talking about before it was twitter stuff so yeah that was disgusting uh we didn't screen share any of the images and stuff and i highly recommend you don't look them up because they're honestly very disturbing but moving on to uh more potentially positive things i don't know if you're ready maybe it's is it in my email as well on here

um we have images of things that might be interesting to see oh oh oh right i forgot nick was there he crouched and then i totally forgot about him i don't think they were sent to my email i'm sorry nick uh what email am i supposed to be checking for this i think it's just that pc this one's doesn't have it yeah this one's also a different email let's see hey here we go all right we got some stuff to talk to you guys about we were thinking of making a wallet and i suspect you're pretty similar to me in that the only wallets I've ever used in my life are ones that people gave me. That's actually not true.

Really? Are you a wallet guy? I had, no. I had a wallet break in half while I was on a trip for work. Okay. So I bought a new one and it's... Okay, but other than that... It's still here.

I've had it for eight years. Okay. Actually, here, one sec. Hey, Dan, do you mind moving the camera a little bit? and it's okay but other than that still here i've had it for eight years okay um actually here one sec hey dan do you mind uh moving the camera a little bit i think when we adjusted things earlier i wasn't sitting how i usually sit and so it's really it's been looking really dumb i'll show thanks just go that way a bit oh yeah no the other way yeah that way thanks uh anywho so okay well i am definitely the kind of person who just uses whatever wallet people give me for christmas because i just cannot be arsed yeah before this one it was one of those yeah my understanding now is that your wallet is like a huge status symbol

because i think it always has been no no i know well oh it always has been i just am an idiot and didn't know that oh i just didn't care yeah so so so your wallet's a status symbol because it's like the thing that you use to carry your money and you when you pull it out and pay it's like good for it to have like good uh pictures on it that mean like good money inside right yeah like the person who owns the company that sold you the wallet is really rich because you're dumb. That thing. Got it. Yeah, that's a good one. Nice.

So we were going to do a wallet that was, you know, I don't know, high quality, but not outlandishly priced. But because I just kind of use whatever people give me, I don't have strong opinions about what makes a good wallet. So we had Matthew from the Creator Warehouse team mock up some wallets fire them over to me and i'm going to try to find a safe way to uh show these to you guys without doing anything stupid uh how about like this oh yes this looks pretty good okay yes oh whoops well spoiler we're also thinking about doing a tie hey that's cool that goes with the party shirt yeah that was kind of the idea it's uh the party shirt print okay i guess we're going to talk about the tie first the thing with the tie is i want to make sure that we are we're

differentiating in some way like we're okay uh so comments under the video are going to be the way to interact with this discussion by by the way, guys. We want to differentiate in some way. Like one of the ideas that I thought of is that it could come pre-tied. That's actually not a bad idea. Yeah, okay. Or, or instead of being like a cringe clip on or like having a zipper down the thing like this. Yeah.

One idea I thought of is that it could this could be like a separate piece that goes on over top and it just like kind of runs through here so that you can still adjust the length but it's you never have to tie it i probably exists already but like i just wanted to i wanted to make it us in some way but anyway these are some designs that matthew threw together cool that he thought you guys might like to look at and give us the second one yeah give us some feedback on here are some more kind of fun ones yeah this is there we go that's a people like fun ties yeah i just i don't know who wears a tie anymore i don't know like did i want to do a

flip playing pole maybe sure like do people do you actually wear do a bad flip plane poll, maybe? Sure. Like, do people, do you actually wear ties? I think a lot of like nerds and developers don't wear ties. So this might be skewed. Well, that's the thing, right? That's our audience. So fair enough, fair enough. And we're already working on some just really clean, like comfortable, like office attire,

you know, that hides pit stains, you know, like really practical stuff. Yeah. i just don't know if we need a tie wow a surprising amount of people just right off the hop are saying yes oh 30 percent of people are saying yes off the hop 34 it's going up 35 okay well all right then interesting observation the people to vote yes to wearing a tie came to the poll slower than the people to say no huh okay so we know who feels strongly about no ties 37 now it's slowly increasing people are passionate about no ties yeah yeah all right that's fair that's fair that's a very surprising amount of people uh so this is the wallet uh we were thinking it actually looks pretty sharp either leather uh or the same material as our yeah the same material as our backpack um matthew was

thinking of doing a zipper around it i personally find the zipper to be a little late 90s yeah uh or mid 90s yep i don't know if i'm that down for the zipper wallet i also am not super into the square wallet but one of the things that Matthew brought up is that around the world, money is shaped very differently. Yes. And square wallets, even if we don't do only square wallets,

could be a necessary evil for people who, for example, use euros, which are quite square compared to Canadian, US, and I think Australian money is- I don't remember if euros do this. Widescreen widescreen aspect there's some that change size depending on denomination as well i believe euros are different sizes yeah okay yeah so that's the wallet um and just you know any feedback you

guys have in the comments under this video that's where we're going to want to see it this is the small it okay interesting so this is just a card wallet basically yeah this is more like what i would probably use although i carry a lot of cards and they were asking me they're like why do you have so many cards i'm sitting here going well i don't want to yeah personal debit business debit personal canadian credit card personal u.s dollar credit card business canadian credit card business u.s dollar credit card uh my identification my costco card my um triple a membership my um uh parks and rec card i'm up to 10 cards already i don't even have any money in my pocket yet all the same for me minus two of the business ones but not all four just two of them

yeah yep okay yep so i gotta carry a decent amount of cards so what i kind of want is like a thick a thick smollett i think that's the one that i'm most into um this one i've already approved already i love this concept for a passport case so you can have all your cards in there it's just it's uh it slips especially if it's you already said it's the same material as the backpack right that'd be pretty sweet to have the pairing. Or, or it might be leather here, backpack material here or something like that, or two different dyed leathers. Uh, we're experimenting with different kinds of leathers.

Uh, some of them are like vegan leathers, but like not bad though. I've seen mushroom leathers that blew my mind. Yeah. Like pineapple leather, like apple leather. It's, it's getting really good so we'll see and then this would be more like a cardholder one so if you have any uh if you have any feedback on any of this stuff we are we are absolutely looking for it and would love to would love to hear what you guys have to say yeah uh i think that's it for that part should we talk about the bonus topics

or should we go into meta uh let's go into meta okay it's long we should do a couple merch messages okay uh poor dan um has already dealt with 200 merch messages how you doing over there dan my fingers hurt no i'm doing well it's uh lots of good questions coming in today all right that's awesome deal that's awesome yeah we're also yeah a lot of orders coming in for the the wan show combo i mean you guys can see them flooding in down here um so yeah let's do let's do a couple merch messages hit me dan what is on your christmas list this year ask jason uh my whole family just perked up because i have not posted my christmas list yet oh i don't know what i want i don't want anything well you just said you want a surround sound

speaker setup that's too much though yeah that's my problem everything i want is something i could never ask anyone else to give me yeah because if it's like 20 bucks i'll just get it if i actually want it most of them i just won't i don't want just get it. If I actually want it. Or he just won't. I don't want it, yeah. And if you don't want it bad enough to spend 20 bucks on it, you kind of feel bad asking for someone else to spend 20 bucks. It's hard. You know what I asked for for Christmas?

I asked for us to not do a gift exchange. Whoa. I hate gift exchanges. Wait, what do you mean by gift exchange? I hate exchanging christmas presents gifts at all yeah i just i don't want any and i don't want to buy any or if if we buy you something like there are people in our lives that we buy things for a lot actually like my aunt um yvonne's parents uh we've gotten both of them cars we've gotten both of them multiple vacations uh they do

a lot for us. I've talked about this before, but with the amount of childcare that they do for us, we're probably ahead on the deal. Childcare is so expensive. So like there's people that we absolutely buy things for, but I don't like buying junk. I don't like,

I don't like just getting people junk to put in their house. And I feel like a lot of the time with a reasonable budget gift exchange, that's what everyone ends up doing. You just go to some gift guide, find some junk, and then expect it to be in someone's house when you visit them. And it just creates all this pressure and this guilt if your junk is not as good as their junk. I hate it it my family's

christmas has always been very epic um but even when we like didn't have money and didn't have a lot of gift exchange it was always we just found other ways to make it cool um and the gift exchange has been become a little bit more serious as people have become a little bit more successful um but like myself and my dad are the notoriously like ridiculously hard people to shop for um and whenever i complain about my dad everyone snips it me because they're like you're just as hard um so like i can't imagine other people that have to shop for both of us because like neither of us want anything and just to clarify ken k over on floatplane says no adult gift exchange right oh yeah christmas is for kids oh yeah like my oh man

i'm excited about buying for the little one my side of the family has been doing a gift exchange all the way into adulthood for us and as soon as yvonne and I had kids we were sitting here going why on earth are you guys spending any money on us this is ridiculous we'll participate in stupid the stupid secret Santa stupid gift exchange but don't buy anything for us buy stuff for our kids I do like buying stuff for my mom

I do like buying stuff for my brother my brother and my mom everybody else seems to have a, when they, when they do figure out something for me, it's usually like, oh, wow. I never really would have thought about that. Yeah. Which is why I don't have it. Which is why it's so hard.

And this is cool, but sorry for the intense labor of trying to figure something out. So I like feel bad, but it's, it's cool. So I don't know.rad it's tough conrad goes i like giving gifts a lot receiving gifts is okay but it's way more fun to give people things what you're giving them is an obligation you're giving them pressure that's how i feel but that's the thing i know that's how you should respect how other people feel about it yes yeah when people who just love giving gifts give me stuff it makes me uncomfortable i don't like it i don't want it and when i say i really don't want anything i'm not like i really don't want anything but like

oh if you got me something no i really don't want anything listen to the words i'm saying yeah and i don't i don't know there's just there the words I'm saying. Yeah. And I don't know. There's just, there's been, there's a lot of frustration because, and I mean, maybe part of it is just like my upbringing, right? Because I've run into situations where people have given me something that they thought I would love. And then it's like extremely hurtful and puts like strain on the relationship when I didn't want it and don't like it.

When I said I didn't want it and I didn't like it. Give me a break yeah yeah yeah that's i think it helps in in my family that i don't think it's like that for for anyone um but that's also a reason why you and i have never done gift exchange between us ever yeah there's lots of good suggestions in in the chat though like uh you can donate um to like you know uh a shelter that's a cool one in people's names and stuff like that totally totally 100 super down give food that's our fallback whenever we're not sure what to do is we just like give people fancy food um to be clear i don't want

that either like the amount of food that arrives in my name here every year. Yeah. I don't, I, I, I promise you there's only one thing I eat. It's the little chocolate covered cookies from Noctua. Everything else. And I usually don't even finish them because I don't want like that many treats in my life. And that's almost because it's more of a tradition thing. All of the rest of it, all the rest of it goes straight to the staff, like kitchen and other people eat it. So if you were thinking that you were sending Linus some kind of like special straight to the staff like kitchen and other people eat it so if you were

thinking that you were sending linus some kind of like special treat to try i'm not eating it i'm giving it to the people here which is fine like by all means like send stuff and people will will eat it i'm talking about talking to brands don't make things yeah i'm talking to brands right now who are sensible enough to send things that are sealed um buy twitter blue buy people twitter blue for christmas okay that's pretty funny oh no anyway uh moving on should we do another one should we jump back to topics yeah let's do another one question for luke if the roles were reversed would you have hired linus for luke tech tips 14 years ago no yeah yes i would and linus uh the i have to say that 650s and silver look amazing why would i not have i don't know yeah i mean are you kind of dumb okay but the roles are reversed so you're the one with the channel and i'm just

like a guy like would you have gotten along with me that well in an interview like would you like that's what people are asking do you remember how long our interview was oh yeah that's true we chatted for like a couple hours i think we got along pretty well yeah okay yeah that's what happens you meet your soulmate i think it was more i think it was more than a couple hours because i showed up when i mean immediately after school and then the bus systems were closed by the end of the interview you had to drive me home okay i think it was like like a day our interview was like eight hours and it was after hours so it didn't matter like i wasn't being paid for the time

anyway so yeah okay no i yeah that brings i think it probably would have worked like i yeah i don't i don't see that not having happened okay yeah fair enough yeah should we get back to topics sure we gotta leave some merch messages for the end i mean there's a lot there's but okay yeah anyways meta is going hard on ai as if we didn't already know that and we're probably doomed i'm not sure what that means yet but we'll get there oh we'll get there meta's been struggling lately uh with a layoff of 11,000 employees following economic forecasts that you know didn't quite come true uh but along with the metaverse meta i hate this name is putting its resources into ai oh no can i jump in by the way no this is where we're going uh you weren't present for this but during one of our writers meetings we had a conversation that went hey uh there's a couple of things that we want to kind of take a stand

against one of them is prices that end in 99 we will still represent them that way and we're still going to price things on our store that way. I'm sorry, it works. But when we call out prices verbally, when we're reviewing items, we want to keep things very factual. And the fact is something that is $69.99 is $70. So that's one. And another, this was a me initiative.

The other one was James. He really hates the 99 thing. I personally am a little more indifferent about it because I don't care, but he doesn't like it. The one that I don't like is using AI to describe machine learning. I want to stop doing that. If it's not AI, we're not going to call it AI anymore.

So- To be fair, I don't know what this is about. I would say this is somewhat closer to actual AI once you get a little bit further into it. Okay. But it's also not. And I want to draw a clear distinction between machine learning and AI moving forward. You're probably going to see us mix things up a little bit as we get this kind of implemented and get

in the habit of just seeing the letters A and I and saying machine learning, but they are not the same thing. And artificial intelligence should be able to reason. Machine learning is just basically like an algorithm that runs against the wall over and over and over and over and over and over again until it gets a good outcome, and then does that more until it gets a better outcome, and then does that more until it gets a better outcome and then does that more until it gets a better outcome. It's not intelligence.

It's not thinking. It's just creating an enormous data set with which it can eventually find an outcome. It's learning. It's not intelligent. Someone in the Philippine chat said, everything is AI when you're the sales guy. That's pretty good.

The most immediately terrifying of which is cicero i don't know an ai that negotiates persuades and cooperates with people to achieve its goals as an agent wow going beyond the simple turing test cicero successfully demonstrated its abilities to reach agreements with other people, including creating partnerships and alliances. I have no idea what that means, but okay. You'll find out. Using web diplomacy as a testing ground. Do you know the game Diplomacy?

No. Oh, okay. It doesn't really have a lot of pieces. It's more about building alliances. It's a social game and and strategizing i've never actually played a full game of it but i do understand what the game is and it's helpful for people to know what diplomacy is context matters there yeah yeah cicero developed plans in context and convinced real players to go along with them uh so successfully that it ranked double

the average score of human players and ranked in the top 10 participants with more than one game played whoa diplomacy facebook says was seen as a grand challenge for ai because it requires understanding and reacting to other people's motivations and perspectives plan uh the to plan future moves, and adjust strategies. Where previous AI achievements in chess and Go were entirely logical, Cicero's diplomacy exploits required natural language and the ability to recognize bluffs and aggressive posturing. That's why I said this is getting a lot closer to an actual ai than to just machine learning

yeah the ability to recognize these things would quickly be fatal in diplomacy the inability to okay i'm just yeah the inability to recognize these things would be failing diplomacy that makes sense cicero also displayed the ability to show empathy build relationships and speak knowledgeably about the game leading players to often prefer working with it over other humans it's not infallible however it can sometimes contradict its own objectives for example asking italy to move to venice then saying the move wasn't good. The end goal for Cicero is only capable of playing diplomacy. What? Only to be capable of playing diplomacy.

At the moment. Or which is only capable of playing diplomacy at the moment is to improve natural language generation and planning to ease communication between humans and AI-powered agents like Siri, Google, and Alexa, which would be good. I had a really frustrating experience with the Google Assistant this week. I was sitting with my son, and I go, call Yvonne. And it's like, call Yvonne Ho. And it goes, sorry, I don't have a home number for Yvonne Sito. I'm like, well, I didn't ask for you. It even transcribed it correctly it said yvonne ho and i'm just like see

see son this is what i'm talking about whenever i complain about this and then i went to record it so that i could talk about it on wanshow because it's like it's infuriating and it worked and it worked perfectly yeah okay sure yeah the less directly threatening ai that i guess they've been working on is galactica an experiment with the goal of helping organize science yeah this was interesting inspired by the mass numbers of papers this is a thing published on covid during the pandemic galactica was was hoped to be a way of gleaning real information out of the noise basically an evolved search engine specifically for science a user could ask what is

quantum computing and it could filter and generate an answer from multiple sources kind of a noble goal that's actually really interesting yeah unfortunately it instead quickly went off the rails leading some to consider it a random generator when asked do vaccines cause autism it responded to explain the answer is no vaccines do not cause autism the answer is yes vaccines do cause autism the answer is no

mission failed successfully thanks Galactica Anthony says the text beneath the query Mission failed successfully. Thanks, Galactica. Anthony says, the text beneath the query seemed apt. Warning, outputs may be unreliable. Language models are prone to hallucinate text. Neat. It also struggled to perform kindergarten-level math, providing answers suggesting that 1 plus 2

does not equal 3. The Lennon-Ono... What? suggesting that one plus two does not equal three uh lenin oh no what lenin oh no come complementary lenin on a complimentary complementarity complementarity sorry we're not professional mathematicians so i'm also dyslexic so reading is hard um is a mathematical phenomenon neat an article on bears living in what is this all about what are these random things that it's listing why what oh we're still on the following output thing no way okay bears living in space are animals which have been sent into space on board space missions terrific oh that's that's amazing okay uh the reason for this problem appears to be uh in its roots as a language model as a large language model which can read and summarize vast amounts of text to predict future words in a sentence gpt3 is one example this is especially problematic because it's able

to produce authoritative sounding and convincing information that is often incorrect which uh basically misinformation this is a great tweet from thomas wins by the way it might be a great resource for writing sci-fi novels by offering plausible sounding explanations on sci-fi topics a quantum engine is a hypothetical device that uses the principles of quantum mechanics to extract work from a single heat bath see quantum annealing principle of quantum detection yeah single okay sure yeah that actually is like kind of that that would be kind of cool you could just use it to do all the science lore in your like space exploration game yeah how do we know this wansho topic was an ai generator well part of it was really hard to follow so maybe it was yeah maybe it was we tried yeah the point is that i've had a lot of people taking issue with uh my stance that i don't want to call

anything ai unless it's actually thinking um and they've talked about how actually the term ai gets used to describe machine learning and deep learning all the time like yeah that's the problem because like tesla's autopilot, which I also took issue with, AI has a connotation that is simply more advanced than what machine learning or deep learning are capable of ever being. This is also why I've had a problem with it personally,

because you'll see people post things and be like look guys we don't have to be worried about ai taking over because i trained this model for four seconds and i have a video of it running into a wall because that's not an ai that doesn't mean anything like come on um yeah i don't know speaking of meaning something though marvel used to be good oh well i don't know this was a desperation topic do we need it yeah i just really have a ton to say i was just going to i was just going to point out that like or not point out i was going to talk about how i've been watching marvel movies with my son because he hadn't seen any of them which

means movies because as far as i can tell they're the only things that release these days yeah anyway uh the point is uh we've been watching them and so last night uh he was on endgame and i was i was like just sucked right in and i had kind of gaslit myself over phase four whatever phase we're on are we on phase four or five i don't watch so i don't know i don't know i had kind of gaslit myself over phase four, whatever phase we're on, are we on phase four or five? I don't watch, so I don't know. I don't know. I had kind of gaslit myself into, you know,

maybe I've grown out of it or something, or maybe I'm tired of it, or maybe I don't like them anymore, you know, whatever else. Right. And it was, it was really disappointing for me because watching,

uh, the ones that I've sat down and watched all the way through with them, like civil war um uh captain america's like uh uh end game and uh whatever yeah yeah uh the ones that i've sat down and watched with them like they've sucked me in so hard there are great movies and i really like winter soldier love them and it made me really sad because what that means then is no it's not me who changed i still love this stuff it's them who changed these movies just suck yeah and and it sucks because they didn't we didn't have to have bad superhero movies we

actually we didn't still have a long time they were pumping out really high quality ones for for quite a while um i think i think they've just done i think it's that issue where like this happened to assassin's creed i think this happened to a bunch of other games where they start releasing too many too fast so the the the potential pool of really good quality ideas starts to dilute a little bit well i think it's partly that and partly that you know the the the danger of the threat always has to go up yeah you always have to raise the stakes as well and there are no higher stakes than half of all life gets wiped out so what do you do now what yeah what do you do in

a post thanos universe yeah but they just they don't have the balls to just stop. I haven't seen Black Panther 2 yet. I hope it could be good, but that's part of the problem too is that with all the shows it's just, it is overwhelming. I can't watch every show and I can't see every movie.

Yeah, there's too much. I saw a meme the other day that was like, it was some person that looked sad and it was like marvel fans in in what was it like 2085 when they when they learned that they have to watch 300 movies and like 47 tv shows to figure out why peter parker ate cereal in the morning or something like that yeah it's like yeah this is actually kind of becoming a problem there's like too much yeah doctor strange 2 captain jinyu says i might enjoy doctor strange 2 more on the second viewing i'm never watching it again it was stupid that bad eh yeah it was just pretty stupid doctor strange 1 i

thought was pretty good oh yeah it was really yeah i liked i liked that one but that's the thing is like once you've once you've got an origin story out of the way you kind of have to rely on the characters themselves to actually be interesting right yeah yeah oh do we want another uh expansionary topic or do we think we're good uh i think we should do some merch messages at some point here oh we really have to talk about this um solidworks is sponsoring a video soon where i need to use solidworks obviously okay uh but the the concept that we pitched them is something that could actually be beneficial to other people because they might want to replicate the project when we're done we want to design like a a media console like a cabinet that can accommodate actual proper cooling in it so we're going to design and build it um and like we could just you know mod fans

into an existing cabinet but i don't know if you've ever shopped for one it's all garbage it's like all particle board junk and i'm sure i'm not the only one who's sitting here going well i don't know like i would i'd love to have something made of you know proper proper wood even like a like a home theater cabinet thing yeah yeah my dad made his own that's like awesome exactly yeah so we we want to we want to upgrade it ltt style he had fan holes in the back for where the consoles were exactly and like all this type of stuff yeah like why isn't this a thing so we want enough space inside it that it's not ridiculous to get things in and out of we got to be able to keep

things cool so active cooling is a must we want to metal back for our cable management magnets uh controllers need a place to live uh and be charged and it's going to have rgb for flare or more practically to see when you want to get at things and plug and unplug them most importantly it's got to hold all the stuff the current one does with room for growth our base cabinet uh had to have curb appeal to fit in with the rest of the furniture um and after letting oh linus and yvonne have a look they settled on two choices both from crate and barrel apparently we are modifying them so why is this in here hold on a second once it arrives we do cad magic from there it's time to go to town on modifications that's we're probably gonna get no discussion wait there's no discussion questions why is this a

topic i thought we were asking people for feedback on this uh oh okay well i don't know why this is in here actually or do we want people to vote on the crate and barrel things i don't know no i think only one of them's in stock i think we're settled on this one okay well i don't know this is one of those video projects that apparently got away from me a little bit and i have no idea what's going on and so that's what we're using. So, okay. It has a marble top. It's really expensive.

Yeah. I don't know. I hope, well, maybe I'll have to talk to them and see if there's an alternative. Let's do some merch messages. Okay. It's a fake topic. Debated.

Written by an AI. All right. I got another one in here for you. Hey guys, stop for beanie in the wan set uh for all of you including dan what's the most egregious injury you have sustained i've had a life-threatening injury or broke a bone so i'm curious what your experiences are injury i've had a lot of injuries. I have never been grievously injured. I've never been grievously injured. No. Um, what is the most egregious injury?

Oh, oh, I, no, I had the, um, uh, the, the torn, uh, whatchamacallit meniscus in my knee. That was actually really bad for a long time. Like years. I, I wasn't egregious, but it was lingering. Yeah. I've had lots of things that are lingering. I had someone spear me in the back when playing hockey, and then I got banned from playing hockey

because it was so much of an attack. And then I had weird minor back problems for a while that are gone now, so that's great. I had a squatting accident where I messed up my knee and I was on a cane for a couple weeks um like actually had to use one um but my knee is mostly good now every once in a while it's kind of a problem um i got pushed off the road by a car and had shoulder issues for years i still have lots of shoulder issues because of that i don't know but i wouldn't like i'm fine i don't know, but I wouldn't like, I'm fine. I don't know.

Drop table employee says, what about that time Dennis landed on Linus's leg? That aggravated the existing ongoing meniscus problem that I have in my left knee. I've been kind of considering getting like stem cell injections into it. Apparently that's a pretty good treatment for it and it could go back to like new, which would be pretty cool, but it costs five grand that's a lot but those are those are the type of things where my brain goes

to like yeah maybe that's worth it yeah i'd rather spend five grand fixing my knee if i had knee problems yeah than i would on like headphones and a new phone or something i don't know home theater speakers yeah exactly yeah yeah i don't know um moving on okay here's another one what's the story with the audio production video will it be just a pc build or you go more in depth with things like real time performance no i'm coming i'm coming at this viewer chaos 5 sadly most ltd content these days is just top end everything completely out of touch for the everyday person cost wise so i just spend the time finding open source alternatives or learning how to do without all the expensive stuff let's go to this channel

okay so yeah this is pretty this is pretty rando. I, we've got this car radiator that we use to cool a server rack. Okay, fine. I wouldn't necessarily call it top end anything, but it's definitely not applicable. Yeah, this is top end. This is not, this is switching to a mid range graphics card from an entry, a new entrant to the market. Here's building a computer for the price of a steam deck 580 certainly not top end anything here's hd video on cassette here's a new memory standard that you can learn about that will be applicable to basically every laptop at some point so it's not really top end or not top end here's talking about how buying the

top end thing can actually screw you over here Here's the team talking about stuff that they are passionate about. For one of these people, it was like retro CRTs and consoles, not exactly top end anything. Here's a review of a GPU. Here's a USB drive that costs just a few dollars and can be used for all kinds of automation and hackery. What are you talking about? hackery um what are you talking about what is the point of saying something that is so objectively clearly provably wrong this happens a lot we cover all kinds of things yeah we've got pi kvm diy router uh ebay being full of cheap hard drives how yeah well this okay wfps for free that's got asterisks on it uh how amd is going to

have better value gpus like i just i don't know what to tell you you know i don't know what to tell you you gotta actually look at the channel sometimes around tectober it's gonna maybe feel like that just because there's a bunch of new product launches and product launches almost always happen halo product first so those almost all launch at a very similar time yeah i could see that and that time is around now but that's not like the creator's fault it's just those things are releasing like what do you want them to not cover the like 40 90 40 80 no what do you want do you want to not have videos on that because i don't know and here's the thing um anything that we cover today

that's top end is going to be cheap someday that's the beauty of technology you can just buy it later when it's cheap yeah i mean luke and i forever have been advocates for buying used the whole point of why we made scrapyard wars was to try to make it entertaining and then we didn't stop doing scrapyard wars because we like didn't believe that anymore we just it's it's tired yeah it's a tired format it is tired it is very tired um it doesn't get as many views anymore and it's really hard to make it takes a long time it takes a lot of editing it's uh it just about kills us every single time. Actually.

And the videos don't perform that well anymore because there just aren't really interesting stories for us to tell. Yeah. Yep. Yep. It is what it is. All right.

Hit me with that super chat. Hit me with that merch message again. No, we don't do those. Okay. What's the story with the audio production video? Will it just be a pc build or you go more in depth with things like real-time performance latency what we need to do is create an audio production uh benchmark suite and that's something that uh was on the writing team but is

going to move over to the labs so uh it's something that we will test everything that comes through using not a specific video, we might do a video once we develop a suite. And yes, we will absolutely be focused on real time performance, performance and latency, because as far as I can tell, that's the thing that matters. Okay, here's another one sick deal. Why do you guys think companies are becoming so abrasive to their customers wallets more now, aka thesek.a. these microtransactions? Just getting greedy or are people just rolling over? No, I think he addressed that. It's shareholder expectation.

Shareholder expectation. Yeah, because if you don't keep your share price up, you literally get fired. Yeah. And so... Public companies, man. It is what it is. Like, on the one hand, I don't feel bad for multi-billion dollar corporations. Oh, we had to oppress them.

What else were we going to do? Otherwise we would all lose our jobs. But like, okay. Yeah, that also is not good either. Try to find more mom and pop non-public company solutions if that's something that you want to go after. If that's a cause you're interested in supporting. Okay, got another one here um happy thanksgiving what are y'all's holiday trend traditions uh i would love to hear about them

well in canada uh for thanksgiving uh one of the things that we start with is the beaver hunt so basically it's there's not really enough beavers left in canada because we've hunted so many of them so what you've got to do is like not everyone can go out and hunt a beaver and i mean it was especially problematic so like back in the late 80s um children would actually hunt like young beavers yeah and so the beaver population got absolutely decimated by the practice like because they were they were getting hunted and killed when they were still growing up so they couldn't reproduce so nowadays there's really only enough beavers left here that it made sense though because the beavers were like hey fight someone your own size yeah yeah exactly so so now uh entire communities get together to

to to hunt the beavers and it's kind of like uh it's it's less about eating them and it's more about like a catch and release like fun community activity so um for for for thanksgiving uh which which in canada is actually in april um that's yeah that's i i i i think fair to say one of our one of our proudest most long-standing traditions absolutely it's it's been going on forever most people don't know about it outside of canada just because like it's extremely canadian it's a canadian thing yeah right it's kind of like how no one else can play hockey yeah like we've tried to explain it to them but they just suck yeah yeah yeah in all seriousness though it's not thanksgiving here. Thanksgiving here is in like October and we eat turkey kind of same as you. Not beaver.

We could start eating beaver. Hello, Linus and Luke. Timestamp guy here. Hey! Hi! Appreciate the gift card. My main issue with car manufacturers is them attempting to find ways to limit functionalities whilst calling it cutting edge.

I understand costs of development and profits, but there must be a better way than subscriptions, right? Yeah, it's cutting edge because they cut the edge off. Got them. Yeah, I mean, the better way is to charge a higher price. But then the flip side of that is, A, you can scare people off with a high sticker price when your competitor is advertising something lower, but with gotchas later. And your shareholders don't like it because they want to see that recurring revenue. So again, I sympathize with their situation, but that doesn't mean I have

to like it as a consumer. It sucks. Yeah, pretty much. Next up, y'all were the reason I got into tech six years ago and thanks dan you're welcome this is for me elia i think uh thanks alina okay oh yeah merch messages yeah that's right um you're the reason i got into tech six years ago and while i'm uh majoring in electrical engineering in college today thanks for being an inspiration to many. What do you want to accomplish and expect from LTET in 10 to 20 years? High hopes for the future. 10 to 20 years. That's pretty expansive of a timeline.

You guys going to hold me to this? We've only been going for 10 years. Oh, man. Okay. All right. Creator Warehouse has reached the point where it has an iron grip on the creator merch industry all creator merch must be made by creator warehouse otherwise it's punishable by hefty

fines we're so far in the future that you actually just buy blank shirts that have like this weird woven fabric screen and then you buy microtransactions to change what it displays yeah yeah and it's rgb yeah uh and then for ltt we have either we have either crushed or acquired every other tech media outlet and we are the tech media monopoly of the world of the world in every language yeah and and we have uh we have a base on mars yeah uh. Because Elon and I have reconciled and we're chill now. Yeah. Flowplane's chill though. We're basically doing the same stuff. We have merch messages 2.0.

Yeah. Merch messages on the moon. Moon messages. Yeah, perfect. AJ asks, with LDT Labs, Merch messages on the moon. Moon messages. Yeah, perfect. AJ asks, with LDT Labs, would you guys consider making a more trustworthy competing website to user benchmarks since UBS is notoriously biased and untrustworthy? We've sort of talked about that. If we let MarkBench out into the world, being able to have user submitted scores from MarkBench

specifically. So I think that would be... That'd help a lot. That would be it. If we do that, that would be how we do it, I think. We also do intend to publish through like a comparison feature, our own measurements so that you'll be able to quickly and easily compare hardware against other hardware. It's going to take time. It's going to take time.

It's going to take time. Oh, hey, do you have the thing? Do I have the thing? Remember I said I wanted to show it to the people. You did say that, but I don't really want to. I want to show it to the people. I don't really want to. He's being like this about it.

Look, look at him be like this about it. I am being like this about it. Why are you being like this about it? Because it could be cooler if it was closer to being ready. This is really early. Yeah, but the people. But the people. The people want to see.

The people. Show it to the people. Okay, but then there's the kind-hearted people, the good people that are going to see it and understand that it's really early on. That's float plane chat. And then you'll have, like, I've talked on, I've talked on WAN Show before about how games and software that puts themselves

in the same situations as Star Citizen are kind of shooting themselves in the foot a bit because then in being able to, instead of being able to focus on development, then they're focusing on feedback.

And one of the benefits that the Labs web dev team, which is very new, one of the benefits that they have right now is they have no tech debt because there's no tech to have debt on and there's no external feedback and there's no maintenance and there's anything like that.

They're just blasting. And I don't really want to interrupt that flow because we're trying to hit a particular deadline that is hard to hit, but they're just blasting and i don't really want to interrupt that flow because we're trying to hit a particular deadline that is hard to hit but they're trying but the people want to see it oh my goodness poll there's no point in making a poll you're all gonna vote yes that's not exactly that doesn't always mean it's a good we know the answer that doesn't always mean it's a good we know the answer that doesn't always mean it's a good thing to do it could be good probably not well good for the people it's i don't even think

it's that like okay how about this half of its cat pictures that we probably don't even own there we can't show it oh get owned come on that is such a cop- out yeah well i think it's real we have an early almost sort of functioning build of the lab website we have the first actual like generated page page um and so so it's not art like it's actually a browser can read it yeah um but i guess you guys don't get to see it got him the point is we're making progress i will try to what i what i will what i will commit to is i will try to get stuff that we can share soon for the future okay fine he's not happy no he's not i think it's i think it's legit i think this is the right way to do it i will very possibly i will tentatively agree to having something for next week okay does that make you happy yes good all right um there's some potential merch messages here which means i'm the

one who has to read them or you know what i've've already read this one. I'll curate it. Go ahead, Dan. Okay, and do. Hi, Luke and Linus. How do you foster, and it's gone. Oh, there it is. It's just up. How do you foster an environment, home and work, where people can freely give you constructive criticism? I ask this because the whole Elon Biling.

You just don't? No. Do you know how many people are going to take that at face value? And then my Twitter feed and the video comments are going to be full of like, yeah, yeah, he's a jerk, I can tell. He never listens to anybody. Sorry, okay, keep going.

I'm sorry, Luke. I'm sorry, I'll try harder. I ask this because the whole Elon buying Twitter thing has me feel like no one was there to tell him no, and that's a bad idea. I feel like this is better answered by someone other than me. Do I create an environment where people can tell me I'm wrong and stupid? Yeah.

Okay. I think I do it. How? I think I do it. That's the part that I don't know how to answer for you. You just don't fire people that tell you you're wrong and stupid well you don't fire them for that reason you might fire them for some other reason who knows but like um yeah i don't know i don't really know how else to answer that it doesn't seem very complicated um it doesn't seem complicated to me either needlessly combative

and just a jerk is also not good but it did say the question was framed as constructive criticism i think constructive criticism has always been welcomed yeah conrad in chat i've told luke he was wrong before yeah i'm pretty sure that's true most people on the dev team have told me i'm wrong before that's fine if they didn't why like what what's the point of hiring them yeah honestly no that's that's good yeah i don't know i think i've had to tell people have been asking me like which one of these things do we do i've had this conversation with people before and i'm like well you choose and they're like why i'm like well this this is your thing like i got i got you to do all this research for you to figure

out which was the best one you've had the same conversation with me before I was just regurgitating it like I don't know why are you coming to me for a decision yeah like we know we're gonna do one of them you're the one that's more informed on this you did all the research I'm pretty sure you know which one you want anyways you know which answer you want out of me right now just why don't we skip the song and dance yeah yeah like it's fine i don't know uh yeah i don't know again yeah like luke said to me it's it's pretty straightforward um i think over the years i've grown more accustomed to being in charge like i really noticed it when we did that behind the scenes of the um the starforge systems shoot and i watched it and i was like yeah i issue orders a lot um and it's something that i've been trying to be cognizant of since then like i try to not forget p's and

q's and just that sort of thing uh but in spite of that i i like to think that I create an atmosphere where people can tell me I'm wrong. Oh, okay. One of the things that I do a lot is if I'm explaining something, I'll say, does that make sense to you? Because that leaves, like, that's something that I think I've coached you on before too. Whenever you're trying to win someone over or sell your ideas, you have to do a comprehension check because there's two possibilities well there's three possibilities either you are right and they've understood

and you've got a direction to go in or you are right and they don't understand in which case you don't have a direction to go in or you're wrong and they understand just fine and it's you who needs an adjustment in which case you've still got more work to do. So if you don't do comprehension checks, then you don't have a path forward. So by doing frequent comprehension checks, or how is it that I phrase it? Does that make sense to you?

I think is what I usually ask. I don't, you saying that rings a bell. I know that the meaning of that question is said a lot. I don't know if you always say it the same way though. Okay, lot. I don't know if you always say it the same way, though. Okay, yeah, I'm not sure if I always say it the same way, but that's really important because asking questions invites feedback. And then if they ask you a question

and you don't get angry or don't punish them, then it's all about behavioral conditioning, right? It conditions people. Like if you praise them for, reward them for giving you feedback that is constructive, well, then they'll do it more. Yeah.

Yeah. You want people on your team that will step up when something like that's going on because there's pretty much no way that you are omnipotent. So even if you're super good, you might not have optics on everything all the time.

And someone else on your team might see something, see a reason why something isn't working or whatever else, and you want them to, not fearing repercussions for it, be willing to step up and show that there's a problem so you can fix it. Because even if you're like, well, I wouldn't have gotten mad at them about this thing, this one, this one time, they don't know that. Does that make sense to you? Isn't a good question to ask because people often don't want to come off appearing stupid. So they just say, yes, sure. If you create that environment,

but I like to think we don't have that environment and you can also do comprehension checks in other ways so you can ask them to demonstrate or explain back to you uh or ask them if they think if you think there's uh anything that we could do to make it better and that's where you'll that's where you'll root out those problems this is where i was going i think you sometimes phrase it in other ways but the general meaning i think yeah well i'll especially phrase it in other ways if i think you actually don't understand that makes sense so you've probably heard me phrase things a lot of different ways what a jerk no but like and it also makes sense from an optic standpoint because does that make sense to you might in some contexts come across as aggressive or whatever else so you rephrase it you make it make more sense for the conversation but i'll also ask uh or am i just an idiot i ask that a lot

actually and obviously no i don't think i'm an idiot i don't think that i think i've been very lucky but my success also isn't accidental i'm not stupid but you're giving them the opportunity to even when they say like, no, to give an explanation as to why or be like, but there's this context that I think you're missing or whatever else. So it makes it really easy to transition into them expanding on potential problems. Yeah. Self-deprecation is such a powerful tool to get people to open up to you. It's like, am i crazy here or is this

the obvious approach well no you're not crazy like it invites people to it makes them open their mouth right it makes them start talking and when people start talking they start to share ideas and when people share ideas well then you get lots of ideas. And when you have lots of ideas, it makes it easier to pick the best ones. Yeah. I don't know. This is something I just kind of do without, um, without thinking too much, but, um, yeah, this is a really good one. Midden forge. Uh, maybe I misunderstood is a really, really good phrase. Um, that's on, That's on Floatplane. We've talked about that on WAN Show a little while ago. Like that's one of the easiest ways,

particularly by email to defuse a situation. I must've misunderstood or this might be a misunderstanding. Framing things as a misunderstanding is such a good way of inviting a dialogue or giving someone who was wrong an opportunity to back down without losing face. Uh, so that's another really big one is giving people who didn't understand something or who were wrong about something, an opportunity to, uh, shift their position without feeling

humiliated. All right. We're going to move on, I to uh to comment on that there's no go xlr's on the table is there linus no yes why linus is good to work with all right why because you can just ignore me i can ignore you and i could win we've been battling for i don't know months now it's great um i will say he's not fired yet i will say i finally got uh my go xlr installed and set up at home and stuff um and the the reduced footprint because i had a really big mixer the reduced footprint has been fantastic but but it's not perfect i think it's doing some stuff oh i can probably help you with that okay yeah their dashboard is like not perfect either i spent a considerable amount of time like understanding what all the stupid little things are doing

i think it's like cutting me off at the end of sentences and stuff like it seems like voice detection like why is my mixer doing voice detection i don't oh yeah like every piece of software that i would use this through will have that why is it doing it as well yeah yeah i can i can help you okay okay yeah sorry okay last one uh arnold asks listening to old wan show podcasts on my way back to and from work one episode you talked about watching the new star wars movies and commenting like mystery science theater still interested in doing it i mean i'd be down but you can see the enthusiasm um we started out super enthusiastic and then we've made our way to where you saw just now which is why it hasn't happened yeah that's That's where we're at. Yep. I think the problem is the main response to it has been disappointment. Yeah.

And the main response is disappointment. It's not a very motivating thing. Yeah. I don't want to just sit and like commiserate. Yeah. If it was like rage or deep enjoyment or whatever, it's like, okay. I don't know if I can handle that much rage either. Yeah. It's a long period. I don't know if I can handle that much rage either. Yeah.

It's a long period of time to be raging for. People are saying Andor is great. To the point where I'm almost kind of tempted to watch it. Riley is like really into Andor. He's got me convinced I want to watch it now. And I've given up. I've watched nothing for so long because like I just don't care.

Maybe I'll give it a shot. I've heard from a lot of people that i know that don't like new disney star wars stuff that andor is good okay pretty much everyone that i have talked to about it has said yeah i don't like any of those stuff but andor is good okay it was interesting i'll be interested to see what direction things go with the disney bringing back their old ceo bob eiger is back bob chappack is gone um interesting yeah he was only on the job like a year and a half or something like that i think wild it's insane to me that kathleen kennedy is still in charge of Star Wars. Absolutely. Bonkers, dude. Makes no sense.

Did you see they were thinking of giving, oh, what's his face? Rian Johnson a whole trilogy? Yes. I thought they were doing that. I thought that wasn't even a thinking. No, I think it's a rumor that they are or something like that. Oh, I thought it was definitely happening. Maybe they are.

I don't know. The point is, what? Stop hiring people that hate the thing that you're hiring them for because you think it'll make it more different or interesting that has never worked anytime i have ever seen anyone talk about that happening that happened to halo and it just made it worse that happened to disney star wars and it just made it worse stop doing this if they hate what it is they're probably not going to make something that is interesting for the fans. You can find someone who likes something

or someone who is neutral, who can bring in new and interesting ideas that can absolutely happen. Look at the EU. There's a bunch of stuff in the EU that's kind of junk. There's also a bunch of stuff in the EU that's fantastic.

Come on. Frustrating. Laddy says he did the best one of the three they did by a mile no he didn't because the problem with the three I mean okay there's a lot of problems but the main problem with the three is that there's no coherent bridge together arc at all it's just it's. And so what he did is he took the story that was left with him and yes, there weren't really a ton of notes apparently, which

was a big problem, but instead of working with what he had, he spent the next movie subverting everything he had. That's bad. That's really bad. That's not good. That's not a good. he had that's bad that's really bad that's not good that's not a good almost any time i've heard subvert in the context of we made a sequel to something it has pretty much never been good so hasselhoff says ryan is fine jj is what killed star wars no no no no they together together this was a tag team yes match tag team for sure so bad all right what else we got oh i think that's it oh okay i guess i have to look through these potential ones oh um about a year ago on wanshow says alex n you guys talked far too briefly about floatplane as a service i know it could be a huge revenue stream um so how does the conversation around

fast look today it hasn't been given up on um but there's some extremely large updates coming to flowplane that are coming relatively soon um i don't it's on a temporary pause for things that i don't for the reasons that i don't really want to talk about because they come down to people's like personal life and health and stuff like that um so i'm not going to go into it it's not like a gamified business decision thing and we'll come back to it eventually um but yeah yeah all right last couple here guys we're almost done um i don't really have a ton of thoughts on the arm versus qualcomm lawsuit that's a very complex legal issue and i think it's just outside of my pay grade anonymous

uh brian t says thoughts on twitch losing streamers to youtube allegedly paying less etc do you think twitch will slowly lose its crown on streaming i think twitch is already slowly losing its streaming crowns what i was gonna say is i think it's already gone yeah it's uh it's a matter the writing's on the wall nobody does online video like youtube yep because nobody compensates creators like youtube for better or for worse right like youtube has lots of problems it's uh it can be an unpleasant platform to use as a user but man do they ever take that money that they make by increasing friction on the platform with ads and dump it back into creators' pockets.

And that's content is king. It's gonna win. That's how they do it. That's how they win. Yeah, I think Twitch is going to very rapidly become the platform that people used to be on. Yep. And Anonymous says,

does Linus expect to take a swim in his pool in 2023? Not anymore. Not in 2023. Oh, in 2023. Oh, yes, yes, yes. I forgot what year it was. Yes, not in 2023 oh in 2023 oh yes yes yes i forgot what year it was yes definitely in 2023 but luke was supposed to go for um a canadian thanksgiving hot tub with me and that did not happen nope not at all

thanks for watching i think that's it this is a cool idea jake p asks have you considered making an agreement with other channels so that if a company tries to not give them a review sample you would all delay your videos of that product till they get one like kind of like a collective bargaining no i i can't say that's ever come up and it's one of those things where i doubt it ever would because as friendly problems with that yeah as friendly as the entire like tech review industry is it's not like we're not aware that there's a limited number of eyeballs and um it's good to have content up in a timely manner so that those eyeballs will look at your content right like we're friends but also we're covering a lot of the same things and trying to stand out from each other.

And what happens if someone in that union goes off the wall and does something reprehensible or whatever else? Yeah, it could reflect badly. You don't want to be too allied. There's a lot of weird pitfalls there. Hi, Emily. Oh my goodness.

Why are people dumping so many merch messages in right now? Because we're reading it. Ah, man uh man backpack bundle might happen at some point no time particularly soon because of screwdriver limited stock okay just the last last couple here finally got my backpack in australia uh giant pocket holding is no joke heck yeah uh i had to pick up my sleep apnea machine and it fit okay well that's cool last one i promise no this is nope this is one i already read awesome i uh i took my back i took my ltd backpack on my trip yeah and thrashed the heck out of it and it looks absolutely brand new at home nice i was actually pretty impressed yes we finally gave everyone backpacks so everyone on staff has them now yeah go for it okay let's hope this outro works oh wait wait wait thanks thanks for

watching we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye oh man the queue there were a lot still coming the queue was long sorry guys that doesn't mean they were still coming now what oh wait is this frozen gosh darn it