The WAN Show - You can buy Intel's Unreleased CPU RIGHT NOW - WAN Show March 5, 2021

Episode Date: March 8, 2021

Visit https://www.squarespace.com/WAN and use offer code WAN for 10% off Save 10% at Ridge Wallet with offer code WAN at https://www.ridge.com/WAN Start your build today at https://www.buildredux.com/linus Check out Carpool Critics, our new movie podcast: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt-oJR5teQIjOAxCmIQvcgA Timestamps (Courtesy of MMAPSFAWNMR) 00:00:09 ----- Synopsis of Topics (AnandTechs 11700K review, Verified Actual Gamer Program, Google is a privacy company now, Arizona House Bill). 00:01:45 ----- Intro. 00:02:17 ----- Luke feels robbed and asks Linus where the new WAN Show intro is. 00:02:40 ----- How AnandTech published their full review of the Intel Core i7-11700K nearly two weeks early and how NDAs work. 00:03:14 ----- Quick sponsor announcement: Redux, Ridge Wallet, and Square Space. 00:15:03 ----- Tech specs of the Intel Core i7-11700K. 00:23:32 ----- Nvidia is working with GPU miners. The 3060 ATH mining limiter rumored to be on the 3080 Ti as well. 00:32:26 ----- Big Reveal: Sometime next week, Linus Media Group will be launching the Verified Actual Gamer Program (not a giveaway). 00:44:59 ----- Sponsor spot: Redux. 00:45:54 ----- Sponsor spot: Ridge Wallet. 00:46:32 ----- Sponsor spot: Square Space. 00:48:53 ----- Questions about the Verified Actual Gamer Program. 00:49:40 ----- Google is now a privacy company. 00:55:01 ----- LTT Store new shirt. 00:56:53 ----- AMDs 6700XT paper launcher. 01:00:02 ----- 8-year-old Fortnite pro (Joseph Dean). 01:02:19 ----- LTT Store desk pad update. 01:02:51 ----- Arizona House Bill that would require an allowance for third party payment on app platforms. 01:09:58 ----- Super Chats. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And welcome to the WAN Show, ladies and gentlemen. We've got a fantastic show for you today. Anandtech has published an early full review of Intel's upcoming Rocket Lake 10, excuse me, 10, old habit, excuse me, 11700K processor in advance of the review embargo. How did they do this? They went to the store and bought one fascinating in other news we are going to be letting you guys know how the verified actual gamer program will be working i posted on twitter a little while ago that we have a palette worth of rtx 3080s ready to rock, ready to put in the hands of verified actual gamers

for their MSRP with no scalper markups. And we are going to be giving you guys the full skinny on that whole program because let me put it this way. It is more than what I already showed you in the tweet. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. What do you got, Luke? I will be trying to make sure that Linus doesn't leak unnecessary information about the verified actual gamer program.

Good luck. Also, Google is a privacy company now. There's some weird stuff going on there. Back in 2019, they made some announcements, and now they're doing things about it, and it just feels weird and strange and odd uh also there is an arizona house uh bill requiring allowance for third-party payments on app platforms interesting fascinating even with all that lobbying probably won't go through though but we'll see let's roll that intro it passed what okay yeah we'll talk about that more later

oh is there no audio oh yeah there is all right so why don't we jump right into the headline topic hold on oh i well i wanted to tell them about the headline topic luke hold on i will hold on i feel robbed what What did I do? Where's the new intro? I know, I know. I just, I forgot. What happened? I forgot and didn't hear you. You forgot? Is it made?

I'd have no idea. I didn't even ask. I'm sorry. Okay. No new intro this week. Next week. Next week. All right.

Anandtech has published their full review of the Intel Core i7-11700K nearly two weeks early. Like, it's one thing if they get an engineering sample like Tom's Hardware always used to do, and it's like, oh yeah, well, we've got some numbers, but they aren't final, no final buy. This is final hardware. How'd they get get it they bought it from a european retailer for the equivalent of 469 us dollars nice nice nice one quick thing before you keep going uh sponsors sponsor announcements uh sponsor announcements i don't think you did that at the end of the intro oh uh oh yes our sponsors for the show today are, I'm not sure. Ah, yes. Redux, Ridge Wallet, and Squarespace. Okay. So here's how this works. Normally, a publication like

Anandtech, like us, would have an NDA with Intel that would prevent them from publishing a review of a product that is not yet released, that has not yet had the embargo lifted on it. But the way that an NDA works is if you can demonstrate that the information did not originate from you, that it was already out in the wild wild the NDA is thereby deemed null and void so for example if I were to make Luke sign an NDA that he can never tell the world that my eyes are actually green for example and I wear brown contacts because I don't want anyone to know yeah that'd be bad then if Luke broke that news, I could sue him for whatever kinds of damages

I feel I'm entitled to because of, you know, the fact that you guys found out, oh, good heavens, I have green eyes or whatever the case may be. But if some, you know, paparazzo or whatever, what's the singular form of paparazzi? I can't remember.

Is paparazzi not singular? Is it not one of those words that it's singular and plural? I'm not sure. The point is, if some rogue photographer managed to catch me before I got up and put myself together in the morning with green eyes and posted it on Reddit and Luke were to say, yeah, he's got green eyes, I would say, hey, Luke, because you could have at least like helped me keep this under wraps. But I would have no legal recourse because that information was already out there. All Luke did

was kind of shrug and go, yeah, and. So he hasn't actually broken the NDA. He just isn't helping to keep it anymore because it's disclosed. It's public knowledge anyways. Yeah, it's already public knowledge. By the way, you were correct. It's paparazzo. Oh, nice.

So Anandtech, yeah, they might have a signed NDA with Intel, but there's absolutely nothing Intel can do when it comes to a product that Anandtech goes and buys because the deal with an embargo, with an NDA is we provide you chip, you give unbiased review. So if we never provide you chip and you decide you give unbiased review, all the other terms of the agreement are basically unenforceable. In fact, this is kind of crazy. They actually notified Intel that they had the processor. This is a quote from the review. This is great. They said they have it. And the response, this is really weird. Our email to Intel seemingly generated some excitement inside and to our surprise, outside of Intel.

But we received a response from Intel stating that they had no comment to offer. Regarding rumors about early retail availability, told a non tech we take our embargo agreement seriously and are following up as appropriate well um let me give you a little clue Intel 11700k by hold on let's do a little display capture here. Let's see if maybe we can find this rogue processor. We're going to try real hard. Let's see. Let's see where to buy. Okay, we don't know. Oh, we don't know where to buy it. Wow, that's a lot of ads. don't know oh we don't know where to buy it wow that's a lot of ads amazon new egg scan over clockers okay well they don't know they don't know the news okay let's keep going here we go oh second link let's try again if but oh the price might shock you what What a headline. Thank you, TechRadar.

It's still up at the time of writing. Wow, that was really hard. Intel is sure doing an amazing, super awesome good job of following this up and making sure that MindFactory.de does not sell any more of these Core i7-11700Ks. You know what the craziest part of this is, Luke? Mindfactory.de actually lists right on the product how many they've sold. So you can actually see they are a pretty small time seller. They sold 5,600 10700Kks over the entire lifetime of the product and even though this is an early product that i would think with all the shortages on cpus right now gamers would be pretty eager to get their hands on they've sold over 240 well that was sure worth it 240 whole whole cpus to all in the interest of or like

what i mean at what cost right all you did was like off every other retailer on the planet and probably intel and definitely me because i'm pretty annoyed i mean yeah that makes sense like it's supposed to be that you compete with other media outlets on the merit of your coverage right but when it's like this all of a sudden it's just like a mad grab for who has the best back alley contacts to source the product uh earlier right like the whole idea behind being a reviewer and having this is a dirty move for a reviewer to do um if if joe and bob's computer shop down the street yeah had one for some reason would you buy it and do a review or no? Yeah, I'd do it.

Yep. Yep. So any anger that I have is going to be directed towards the inadequacy of Intel systems to prevent something like this from happening. prevent something like this from happening because everybody knows the second the product is in the hands of our retail partner it's out it's out if you don't do it if an antec doesn't do it if if someone else doesn't do it there's going to be another person in line that is going to do it exactly it's going to happen or if he's going to come out it's going to be leaked if it's if it's in if it's on a retail shelf and you can buy it it's out that's the whole reason that trusted partners who abide by embargoes are supposed to have the product like two weeks at three weeks ahead of time so that as long as we're on the ball and we're working on the thing right

away if something like this were to happen and some retailer goes early, we at least have the flexibility to make a move. We could call up Intel and be like, okay, look, clearly this embargo is dead. It's dead as a doornail. So we need to go live with this thing before all the Jo you know, Joe's on forums are posting about it and people are confused and don't know what kind of performance they're supposed to expect. There's no, there's no reviews. Like we need to just go for it. And I mean, we had something like this happen actually with the 8K gaming experience that we did with the RTX 3090. There was some kind of,

experience that we did with the RTX 3090. There was some kind of something happened. I have some ideas exactly what happened, but there was a certain order that those videos were supposed to go up and that didn't happen. And so fortunately, because we were on the ball. We had access to the product early. We had our video ready to go and we were able to click publish right away because it was ready. So right now, I mean, I don't know. It's a funny thing because like I'm technically still under NDA for the 11700K, which means not only can I not comment on the performance and the price and I mean, you can see the price is right there. But I couldn't comment on a Canadian or American price, which is how I typically get pricing. So I can't comment on the price. You can comment on the performance, can't you? I guess I could now. Because it's in their article.

Except, okay, so here's where we get into a bit of the nuance. So one of the things that I can't comment on is any terms of the NDA that have not been disclosed. So for example, if there was a particular embargo lift time that Intel hadn't disclosed, I wouldn't even be able to tell you when I will be able to tell you. Another thing is that because we are going to be getting a chip from Intel and using that for our benchmarking, I actually cannot publish my own benchmarks. So I could tell you a non-text numbers. I could just repeat those. I could make a video about it because that's out there. But if we do our own measurements and we do our own analysis, that is now our data. And we could, well, we would, we would be restricted in terms of what we can tell you by the terms of our NDA. So at risk of breaking my NDA,

because I feel like this is information that, you know, can't really hurt anyone too much. I don't even have one yet. So we are in absolutely no position whatsoever to respond to this because Intel went and got product out there in distribution to retail partners before even seeding media, or at least us. I mean, it's quite possible that others have it already i know that um der bauer roman often gets stuff early because he's involved in things like overclocking

validation in addition to being a reviewer for example right so i'm pretty annoyed but i'm annoyed mostly with intel not not with Anand Tech. If I was them, I'd have done the exact same thing. I even got a little message from Ian. Got a cute little message from Dr. Cutress over here. What the heck did he say? This guy, he's adorable. He's adorable.

He's like, teehee. No, he didn't actually write teehee. Yeah, I was like, that doesn't really sound like he goes got something coming out late you might want to talk about on wanshow just fyi look at this guy look at this look at this clout chasing mother okay he knows he knows i can't resist it he knows so i gotta talk about dr cuttress on the show so anyway he sends me a link to the article so anthony went through it since it's out there why don't we talk about the numbers from dr cuttress over at anon tech and tech tech potato his youtube channel the chip itself do you want to run us through it luke i feel like i've

done a lot of talking it's um so because we're going off of their numbers uh i i believe this was anthony laid it out this way i think it's actually pretty cool the way he laid it out so i'm just going to run through this instead of scraping off of their review i was originally looking through their review trying to pull some data points whatever um so it it runs real hot we know that much um how does it perform it performs significantly worse than the ryzen 7 5800x in 3d particle movement ai benchmarks digicortex small dwarf fortress worlds corona SmallDwarf Fortress Worlds, Corona Benchmark, Crisis CPU Only, V-Ray, Cinebench R20, Handbrake 4K60, all archiving tests, all JavaScript and web browser tests, and SpecInch 2017. Okay.

It performs slightly worse. Wait, hold on a second. I was about to say, but we would expect that because it has significantly fewer cores than a 5800x oops no i misread that it actually has the same number of cores as a 5800x it performs slightly worse than that same processor in the y cruncher multi-thread agisoft photo scan gimp application launch nam launch, NAMD APO A1 simulation, and all gaming tests other than

some at notably high resolutions. It is on par with said processor in Blender, mid-sized and large Dwarf Fortress Worlds, Handbrake 480p Discord, and Spec 2017. Essentially essentially there's very few things

that it's on par with it there's even fewer things that's significantly better dwarf fortress okay is that's my favorite best on this list i just have to say it's best played in medium and large sized worlds okay if you're playing dwarf fortress can i just say for a second that if you're playing dwarf fortress in a small world then you are you're a big piece of okay you're not you're not a gamer you're human you're human garbage okay whoa that's like your measure of man how big your dwarf fortress world is i'm not even actually familiar with this benchmark i i don't even know exactly what the benchmark is me neither that's great that's why it's my favorite one it's an ancient like text-based game that we used to play on like

crappy netbooks so i don't really understand but i'll uh i'll i'll trust an mtech on that one um but yeah it's only slightly better than that process. Sorry, it's only significantly better than the Ryzen 7 5800X, to be clear, in 3D particle movement peak AVX by a factor of nearly 6, which is pretty wild, and Y-cruncher single-threaded. Okay, so it's the single-thread king when it comes to calculating pi. I'm not going to lie. I had higher expectations based on the scuttlebutt that I had heard in the industry.

I was thinking that Intel was giving up those two cores. Because remember, this is an eight core chip that seems to be coming in as a direct replacement for a 10 core chip. Which means that I was under the impression that Intel would be giving up those two cores for some very significant single-threaded performance gains. Like I thought they were going to come back absolutely all guns ablaze and taking the gaming crown like that. That was my expectation.

Now, maybe if I hadn't read any of the rumors and I had thought that this was just going to be yet another sort of 14 nanometer reheated CPU, you know, and then, and then, whoa, we ended up with a floating point performance gain of 19% over 10th gen and integer performance gain of seven to 13% over 10th gen. I might've been impressed. I might've been really happy because I'd be like, oh wow, I was expecting basically nothing. And I got a lot more than nothing i got a pretty solid generational performance improvement but i i don't know i was just expecting i was expecting it to come back absolutely for people purchasing processors do you think it's going to matter almost at all well no because and let me get into that so a non-text review has a conclusion here that i

think is interesting um rocket lake has some regressions in core-to-core performance and its memory latency profile so okay so that's what happens when you're making a significant architectural change i suppose instead of just releasing the same game, same game, same CPU over and over again in different packages is- We're not talking about EA, we're talking about Intel. Yeah, yeah. We'll gain here, we'll lose there. Thank you, Luke.

That was good. I liked it. I quite enjoyed that. And then they go on to say, our results clearly show that Intel's performance, while substantial, still trails its main competitor AMD. In a core-for-core comparison, Intel is slightly slower and a lot more inefficient. The smart money would be to get the AMD processor. Except that I think that Dr. Cutress may have

overlooked something. Let's go ahead and revisit my screen for a moment here, shall we? This right here is a Core i7-1100K. And I don't actually know what the US pricing is going to be because Anthony's the one who sits on the Intel briefings now, not me. So it's possible he knows, but I don't. But what I do know is that typically the way that pricing works from region to region, region to region, excuse me, is that Europe gets absolutely f***ed on because even though their currency is worth a lot more than ours, it tends to be pretty dangerously close to a one-to-one exchange rate in terms of product pricing.

So I think it's fairly safe to say then that a Core i7-11700K is going to cost less than $500 in the good old US&A. So let's go ahead and try to buy a 5800X, shall we? I don't think you read the rest of the conclusion. Me? Yeah. Oh, well, hit me with that. So he goes on to say,

the smart money would be blah, blah, blah, like you said. However, due to high demand and prioritizing commercial and enterprise contracts, the only parts readily available on retail shelves right now are from Intel. Normally, this is where I would conclude with a comment on what to recommend. But the clear answer during this chip crunch

is to buy the processor you can. Buy the processor you can find at a reasonable price well there you go i lied also the 5800x is in stock at amazon.com right now i mean there's 189 dollars of shipping and import fees if you ship it to canada wouldn't really recommend that but it seems possible that this is actually that this is actually in stock right now for $449.99. What's the MSRP of this thing supposed to be? $5,800. There we go. $449. Uh-huh. Okay. Uh, well if you needed one of these now's a good time Hey, don't forget to use our affiliate link. Oh, wow the 5900 X on the other hand doesn't even like return a result So that's pretty sweet Cool

Alright, so thank you. Dr. Cuttress for actually indeed getting all those details in your review i knew i could count on you to be thorough i was hoping to embarrass you but uh you always get the drop on me don't you ian tech tech potato is still a bad name for a youtube channel okay what topic do you want to hit next? Got him. Got him. We can talk more about how NVIDIA is working with GPU miners. Oh, can we? Or not.

Oh, good. Sure. That sounds exciting. Super fun. Okay, hit me. The, you know, the 3080 ETH mining eth mining wait isn't it the 3060 ti the ethereum mining limiter rumored to uh to be present on other cards is rumored to be present on the 3080 ti as well or 3060 i just dyslexia the heck out of this title. I'm sorry. The 3060 ETH mining limiter is rumored to be on the 3080 TI as well. I'm changing. I'm changing the doc while you're trying to.

That is so rude. I saw that right at the end. I'm like, hold on a second. It is the one on the 3060. It is. It is the one on the 3060. You were right. You were right. You were right. It was wrong in the doc. You were right. And then I changed it to the right thing. And then I changed it back to the wrong thing.

I'm just messing with them. Sorry, guys. Okay, go ahead, Luke. You're so red right now. It's great. They were previously... So the leaker that leaked this, Copite7Kimi...

Sure. Hoping I'm saying that right um has leaked potential specs and info for the upcoming 3080 ti including a rumor that it has the same eth mining limiter as the recently released 3060 they were previously correct about ampere months ahead of launch um so it should have 12 gigabytes of GDDR6X with 384 bits, GA102, 10,240 CUDA cores. What is life anymore? And apparently with the ETH mining limiter present. It is scheduled for an april launch uh apparently nvidia has changed the date three times moving it back from the initial plan date of january and there has been no price revealed yet yeah we were expecting that there

was going to be a 3080 ti alongside uh mobile rtx 30 series at ces this year and so it sounds this story sounds kind of consistent with the reality that i've been living in um i mean kudos to nvidia for one thing for delaying this card when they know they can't ship anything else as it is um i mean i it's just it just feels kind of laughable to me. Like maybe, I don't know, maybe this is a bad take, but I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to put it out there anyway. NVIDIA and AMD both took the approach this time around of launching their new stacks top to bottom, right? So NVIDIA led with the very high end stuff, followed up with, you know, your 3070 and then your 3060 TI, like in their typical fashion. AMD started with the 58 and 50, excuse me, 68 and 6900 series.

Now they're filling out the gaps with their upcoming, what's the one they're launching? 6700 or something like that. Is it an X? Yeah, I think it's a 6700 XT. Sorry, there's a lot of model numbers in my brain going back many, many years, and it really doesn't help that AMD is launching a 6800 when NVIDIA has also had 6800s, and AMD has also had 6800s in the past. It's hard to keep the wires from getting crossed at a certain point. Anyway, maybe this is a bad take but i'm kind of looking at it going okay nvidia if you can sell 3080s all day long and we know that you're going to have to give up some of the fab capacity that you planned to use or that you could use for 3080s to build 3070s or 3060 TIs or 3060s, but the 3080 is a thousand dollar plus card. Why don't you just make those for a while?

Until like, I'm honestly here from like a brutal capitalistic standpoint, yes, you can move a lot of more volume of a $400 or $500 card compared to a $1,000 or $1,500 card or whatever the case may be. But if you don't have to move more volume, I'm pretty sure that everything that I know about selling things would indicate that higher average sell prices are better.

Fewer larger transactions is easier than many more smaller transactions as a general rule. Now, there is also the possibility that, you know, you could create negativity in the community by only catering to, you know, the very high end. It's also very likely that NVIDIA had already committed to, well, they did already commit to 3090, 3080, and 3070 at the same time. But what they hadn't committed to already was, oh, and they had probably also committed to turn off their production on the previous node of their 20 series. What they hadn't committed to yet was the 3060 series, and AMD for that matter, hadn't already committed to launch the 6700. So if you already can't deliver enough of your flagship

parts, why, unless they're made of failed flagship parts, which in some cases, these new products have not been, why are you trying to launch more products that are just going to make another subset of your customer base mad because they can't get it? Like if I'm someone who's waiting for a $399, you know, like a $400 card replacement, because that's kind of, that's like, that's how much I spend on a graphics card. I might get impatient because you haven't launched a next gen replacement for me, but I'm not going to be furious that you've launched one at this supposed price and i can't get it because it costs 900 or 1100 dollars or whatever like what does it what's a 30 60 go for on ebay right now like what would you do go for almost four grand i know that much what would i do i'm just not buying a card

well okay this is not a buyer's market. No, no, if you were Nvidia, though, or AMD. If you're AMD, do you launch a card today? A new card? No. The thing is, though, this may have been planned out so much further in the past. They might already have the packaging for it.

They might already have the logistics and everything planned already. It might be more damaging to not go through the motions i don't know enough about it to say that but yeah no no no that's that's totally fair i mean it's very very possible that they booked the capacity built these chips they're already in the in the pipeline to the board partners like sure yeah that's that's totally fair it's just it's just a little bit of weird optics yeah for sure yeah definitely okay it looks like a brand new rtx 3060 is going for uh 800 bucks will get you uh some zotac one 900 bucks will get you some Zotac one. 900 bucks will get you a tough gaming OC. And then the TI is up more like in the 1200 range to start with.

Up 1200, 1300 for a founder's edition. That is utter madness. If you have a perfectly capable GPU right now and it blows, like it dies, I feel very bad for you. Yeah, that's rough. If only someone was doing something to make sure that people can buy graphics cards at MSRP without a scalper markup. scalper markup if only someone would make sure that verified actual gamers get their hands on graphics cards who will answer this call luke who will answer this call i don't think anyone it's way too hard there's i i can't imagine because it would have to be someone new

it couldn't be someone in this space already they'd have to have relationships with board partners they'd have to be able to get allocation getting units is going to be tough the board partners would probably have to be on board with it no pun intended oh yeah I liked it

I liked it it's impossible so it's time for the big reveal. Sometime next week, we will be launching the verified actual gamer program. For our first drop, I don't want to overpromise to you guys. We are working with Asus, okay?

We have only between, I don't know exactly how many we have. It's between 80 and a hundred cards. I'm going to be, I'm going to give you guys too much detail. Okay. I'm going to be honest with you guys in a way that could get me in trouble. The reason I don't know exactly how many are coming is because one of the piece of middlemen that was involved in this transaction, of middlemen that was involved in this transaction uh kind of oopsie daisies accidentally lost or what really happened was sold to someone else some of the cards that were supposed to come to me for the verified actual gamer program um oh hold on a second nick is calling me he's real upset what do you want about what hold on hold on hold on hold on just tell is calling me. He's real upset. What do you want?

About what? Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Just tell me what's going on. I think he's muted, but I think I'm still with you. I think I'm still here. I have no idea what's going on at this point. I knew about the system. I knew about the plan.

I was trying to hype it up. I didn't know about this part of the story. I didn't expect Nick to call. So the point is, the point is I don't know exactly how many of them we're going to have, but we have done some really cool work to make sure that when these things are available in the way that they will

be available, there is, um, nothing is perfect, but there is a very, very, very high probability that every single one of them will make their way into the hands of a verified actual gamer. So we're not giving you guys the full details this second, but Luke and some of the other guys on the float plane team have been hard at work on this from the development side of things. And what you're going to want to do is if you're a real gamer and if you need a graphics card, okay? So we've got some RTX 3080s, RTX 3090s, and I believe I am allowed to tease

that we are also working with AMD on some products that AMD sells. And we are also working with MSI on some products that MSI sells. So this is all going to be happening, hopefully over the next few weeks. What you are going to want to do to make sure that you are in the know and getting the info as early as possible is you're going to want to watch this episode of the WAN show where I tell

you guys what else you're going to need to do. Congratulations, you already did that part. The next thing you're going to need to do is you are going to need to make sure that you are subscribed on Linus Tech Tips. You are watching every video the instant it goes live. And the only way to do that is to make sure to ring the bell. Don't be a ding dong. Okay. That's Luke's joke. That's Luke's joke.

Don't be a ding dong. Ring the ding dong. That's Luke's joke. That's Luke's joke. Don't be a ding dong, ring the ding dong. That's Luke's joke. I'm not taking credit for that. It may be that in the future, I will take us over to maybe a different channel like Short Circuit, for example. But it's quite likely that this is all going to be on the Linus Tech Tips channel. Another pro tip, guys, there is an even better way to see a Linus Tech Tips video right away when it launches than ringing the bell. If you go back in time to the long, long ago of just looking at our publish history, you'll see that there's a bit of a pattern to when we publish our videos. I would suggest that it is likely that we will include this information somewhere in one of the videos that we published at our, let's say, typical time.

Okay? Does that sound good to everybody? There's a whole big thing in here that says, don't say this part, don't say this part. Don't say this part. Should I say that part? I don't think so. No, I don't think I'm going to say that part. So we're really excited about this. We're really excited to be working with ASUS, AMD, and MSI. Those are the ones that we've talked to about this program. They have actually worked really hard to make this possible because, as you guys may or may not know, Linus Media Group Incorporated is not exactly a retailer. You know what I mean? So we're not really set up to buy computer hardware in bulk.

So there was a lot of work from the Creator Warehouse team, the flow plane team, ASUS, AMD, MSI, getting all this stuff cleared and trying to find a way to make it make sense for everyone. And I can tell you right now, the bottom line is that the only reason that any of this makes any sense is because they actually care. They liked our idea and they actually care about helping us get these products to verified actual gamers so i'm i'm super excited uh people like just say the part no no i'm not i'm not going to be saying the part i was i was just messing with loop uh that stuff i really really don't want to talk about yet so stay tuned guys this is going to be i mean that's the stuff that's going to be in the video and that's why you need to ring the bell so floatplane oh uh joe soap asks what about

floatplane subscribers uh do i still need to check on youtube we will make sure that the video launch like okay that the video launch is going to be at the same time on Floatplane as on YouTube. So you guys will get the same chance as everyone else. But unfortunately, I cannot give you guys any kind of advantage for the Verified Actual Gamer program. Because if I did, and Floatplane was a paid membership, which it is, then we would risk running afoul of lottery laws, gambling laws, which last time I checked get enforced pretty hardcore. And I really do not want to deal with that.

My life does not need it. Okay, does that kind of make sense, guys? Linus misses NCIX so much, he just remade it better, faster, and stronger. Thanks Cyberdyne over on Floatplane. Exactly. Exactly. We're going full circle here, boys. Okay. I started out making videos for a tech retailer. And then now I'm going to be a tech retailer that... Wait, no. I started out making video. Now I'm going to be a video maker that turns into a tech retailer that wait no i started out making video now i'm going to be a video maker that turns into a tech retailer we got this we got this oh wait like drop form you trules asked is quebec included it's not a giveaway it's just an opportunity to buy it at msrp so yes yes you can definitely buy it um in response to anyone on staff who's watching this,

including at Floatplane and Creator Warehouse, no, you are not eligible. Unfortunately, because you have access to the people either directly or indirectly who are working on this project, you simply cannot have one. And we will make sure you do not get one. Oh, poor floatplane staff is in the chat. We know, we know.

Yeah, that's rough. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Hopefully you guys are hyped. We are expecting somewhere in the neighborhood. It's like honestly guys i don't want to set unrealistic expectations because can aussies join the giveaway it's not a giveaway it's not a giveaway okay it's not a giveaway it's just a chance to

buy them okay so there's a few things that we need to clarify here one is that there is nothing we can do about tariffs. If you are American and the stock that we get was not imported pre-tariff, okay? We actually do have some that came in pre-tariff still. So that's how long we've been working on this. That should give you some idea. But if the stock we have, which some of it will be, is post-tariff from the Trump administration, we cannot do anything about that. There will be a 25% surcharge. Cannot help you with it. It just is what it is. If you don't like it, you tell your government you don't like it. It has nothing to do with me. Same thing if you were to buy it from the EU, for example. There is nothing I can do about any kind of value-added tax or any other kinds of surcharges. Oh, okay. Apparently, I was mistaken. We do not have any that are pre-tariff. It did not end up working out that way. So they are all tariffed. Someone's

asking about postage costs. You will have to pay separately for that. Just to give you guys some idea, there is not a ton of margin in computer hardware, guys. It's a cutthroat business. Remember that time that Newegg tried to go public and it was revealed that their net profit was like 1%? There's a reason I haven't tried to become a computer hardware retailer. It's not that I don't know. It's not that I don't have the relationships. It's not that I don't know how to put a CPU in a box and ship it out the door. It's because I want nothing to do with that business. This is just about us making sure that whatever we can get our hands on, we have bought as much as we can in bulk, makes its way to verified actual gamers from our community. All right. So yes,

if you are somewhere else in the world, you will have to pay postage. It's probably going to be brutal depending where you are because we don't have amazing rates with Canada Post or FedEx or whoever else. We're still a relatively small timer. All right. Cool. So why don't we move on to... My mic was muted.

Sorry, one second. Someone was asking what currency will the cards be listed in. They'll be listed in USD. But they will be listed at pre-tariff prices because, for example, if someone in Canada were to buy them, they would not be subject to the US tariffs. So does that kind of make sense, guys? Because we're in Canada, we haven't paid a tariff

on them yet you guys follow so if we ship them to the u.s the second they touch u.s soil they are subject to this 25 tariff again another potentially oh sorry yeah go ahead hit me another potentially tricky question is a moderator was asking what about them a moderator like on the forum like forum moderator discord moderator twitch chat moderator they to my knowledge they they will have absolutely no it had nothing to do with this yeah they will have no early access to information and uh internally only i and nick and lu Luke are probably going to know exactly when the video is going to go live. So I think that should be fine. Yep.

Okay, cool. They can be verified actual gamers, 100%. Nice. All right, let's go ahead. Oh, right, that's a really good point. let's go ahead and oh right that's a really good point uh if you've had bad experiences with shipments from canada before like grok 23 where they've taken a really long time maybe this just isn't the right deal for you uh because the last thing i want is for this to be stuck in you know shipping for two months which can happen absolutely And then for you to have a real bad time because some

thousand dollar product is tied up for two months. And by that time, graphics card prices are back to sanity. All right. All right. Cool. So why don't we move on to our next topic here? The, oh, the sponsors for the show today. Hey, Redux.com. Redux is a PC builder that's striving to bring PC gaming to the masses. There's no price markup on the individual components, just a $75 build key. Build key? Build fee. So you just select your budget, pick the games you want to play, see how they perform, make sure it meets your expectations or increase your budget. Then you let them build your PC. Their online configurator lets you see what's going to go on inside.

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So tell me something, Squarespace. Is the member area where I keep my member? Would you like to pay to access my member like would you like to pay uh to access my member area oh lordy i mean oh no oh boy that's uh man someone internally must have brought that up yeah i don't know it's one of those things like nobody called me on the name of the verified actual gamer program every company we've worked with yeah nobody was like you're really gonna call it that i don't know man i mean maybe maybe we just like maybe not everyone actually has a potty mind you know know? Not everyone grew up listening to Blink-182, I guess.

Maybe it's that simple, right? Maybe. I just, that seems so obvious. Oh boy, we got some real questions about the verified actual gamer program up in here. Alexis, what if we were to pick up the card in Canada across the border? A, you would be violating COVID restrictions, so don't do that.

And B, then you would have to pay tariffs because it would touch U.S. soil. There you go. Happy to help. That's what I do. I saw some comments that looked like they were confused. You're not avoiding

the tariffs by buying a card in America, to be clear. Yeah, you still have to pay them. That's why they're so expensive. It's part of why they're so expensive now. Yeah. It happens when any card enters the States. It doesn't matter how. So what is this? Google is now a privacy company? What does that even mean? Okay, let's go up to this. Help me out here, Luke. I'm not helping right now. It's odd. So back in 2019, Google announced that they had intent of working with other companies to build a more private web. I remember this. I believe we laughed. That does sound like what we would do.

And then moved on. On March 3rd, a post on the official Google blog followed this up with more information and bold statements that contrast Google's data harvesting strategies. Yeah, this is weird. And they have to have something up their sleeves. I suspect there's something like Google proprietary that they're working on. But we'll get into that in a moment to try to make it so that more stuff funnels through them by doing this. But third-party cookies, also known as cross-site tracking cookies, will be phased out in Google Chrome. Really? Yeah. tracking cookies will be phased out in google chrome really yeah google claims that they will not be building any alternate identifiers to track individuals sure as they're browsing the web and additionally that they will not use these trackers that they that they definitely super aren't

building they're definitely not making anything. Okay, hold on. Can I just jump in here and say, is it possible that Google has built an AI so powerful that it can infer everything about you just by the one site you're on, like the one thing you're doing, and it doesn't even need the history anymore? So maybe google is

just making it impossible for their less technologically advanced competitors to track you but they've still got you nailed down i also wonder if there's just like if if if cookies are too accessible to other companies and they have like it feels like they they might be trying to heighten the barrier of entry yeah yeah that totally makes sense they have other things already whether it's tracking through your phone whether it's tracking through your your email um all these other various things and they're thinking okay if we kill cookies yeah it's bad for us but maybe it's worse for others. That's maybe something that I'm expecting here.

It's weird. Despite these altruistic, it says in here intentions. I'm going to say claims. Despite these altruistic claims, Google is still a business that needs to make money. Yes, very much so. And advertising makes up a substantial portion of the revenue, not to mention if we're going to be shown ads, it's usually best for them to be relevant. Does tracking cookies facilitate?

Yes, of course. In their post, Google writes, advances in aggregation, anonymization, and on-device processing and other privacy-preserving technologies offer a clear path to replacing individual identifiers. In fact, our latest tests of FLOC show one way to effectively take third-party cookies out of the advertising equation

and instead hide individuals within large crowds of people with common interests. Oh my, so maybe you're on it. Chrome intends to make FLOC-based cohorts available for public testing through origin trials with its next release this month. Wow. So I actually kind of like nailed it. Yep. Good job. Nice. Actually, I had not read the notes yet. This is awesome.

profile of you and you'll be put into a general category of interest as opposed to having a comprehensive pattern outlined based on browsing history and form information. In theory, this should still be effective at advertising, but also in preserving user privacy more strongly. How this will function in practice is a story that only time will tell. All right. So I guess I have nothing else to say about this because I already said what I thought it was going to be. And I was that wasn't quite right. I didn't realize that it would use like, you know, your device to create the like,

like a history of you and then kind of file you into a neat, tidy little group. But I mean, that's fundamentally pretty much what Google was using the individual information for anyway. So it's not a huge paradigm shift. Like Luke said, all this really does is increase the barrier to entry so that other providers who want to deliver context-appropriate ads are going to have to use Google's service here. That's, wow. Good job. Wow. That is incredible. So Google is a privacy company in the sense that they want to make sure that your data is private from everybody but Google. They want to make sure that all the money is privately theirs i like it i like it thanks they're publicly traded company yeah thanks thanks google you are you are truly a benevolent overlord please yes bless upon me with your

blessings speaking of blessings ltd store a new t-shirt oh yeah so this is a really cool shirt it actually looks awesome it's kind of uh it's kind of a new cpu what yeah yeah i didn't realize you're wearing it yeah it's kind of a new cpu design but what's really special about it is we've been playing around with the uh like the reflective dyes that we've used to do some of our really shiny products and mixing them in with regular dyes. So this one right here... Oh, no, this is not that. This is a different thing.

Wait, what? Nothing. Carry on. So what we're doing is we are mixing a... Not a shiny uh thing so this is actually a reflective dye so what happens is because i'm using a really soft light right now you can't really see it but under a uv light or under a very bright light this will actually kind of glow like a like a reflector on your bicycle helmet or like a reflective strip. So both the CPU and the LTT on the back are this kind of like cool reflective material.

So if you're in the dark and like a light shines at it, it'll kind of glow on your chest if you're into that sort of thing. So that's available over on LTT Store right now. So go ahead and buy one and make sure that you set it up to save your information so that next time you need to use LTT Store, it'll be really fast to go through the checkout. checkout okay um to do is that is that sort of it no i want to talk about the 6700 xt being a paper launch where's this i remember reading that reading about that where is this there it is uh are you surprised no in fact the first frame of our video is anthony literally launching paper at my head oh i saw that right

yeah so no we were pretty sure that was going to happen but but amd amd has not learned anything uh from their long history of over promisingpromising and under-delivering. This is a quote. With the AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT launch, we are on track to have significantly more GPUs available for sale at launch. We know it's crazy out there, but we're doing everything we can. Why not just say it's going to be impossible to get one? Like, I don't know. Yeah, they said before that the RX 6000 series would not be a paper launch.

They've all sold out like basically instantly. Frank Azor famously tweeted, I look forward to taking your $10. When another user tweeted, $10 says AMD will be a paper launch too. when another user tweeted $10 says AMD will be a paper launch too. Now, what's really not going to help or maybe make no difference at all is that the mining capabilities of these cards will not be limited, unlike the RTX 3060 from NVIDIA. So you'll be fighting with scalpers and miners to obtain a card per usual.

If you do manage to get one, you could theoretically mine on it to make some of your money back over time. We're actually going to have a video about how to set up NiceHash, which is a really easy to use mining software. To be clear, I'm not telling people go out there and become a commercial miner, you know, set up, you know, 10 rigs of 10 GPUs and suck up all the GPUs. I'm talking about gamers who happen to have a card subsidizing their gaming hobby with some light mining. I'm particularly feeling guilt-free about recommending it right now because at least in my part of the world, it happens to still be winter. And so I'm not going

to lie. At the office, some of our powerful workstations are set up to mine when they're idle because we have to heat the building anyway. So like it might as well be making money rather than costing money. Like I'm not, I'm not going to apologize for that. We don't have any specific mining rigs set up, but we definitely do have some rigs that are mining. And so like, if you're a gamer, why not? You got to heat your house anyway. You got the GPU anyway.

What the hay? Especially, especially it's all, it's all about if your house is actually cold because then my house is my i shouldn't say house i don't have a house my place is incredibly hot all the time because i think both my neighbors just crank it so it's like i'm like i'm sweating right now so that's not really an option for me yeah well at rate, if you are not actually just wasting electricity for no reason and you'd have to heat up your place anyway, I see it as a win-win. And right. So what's great about that is that even if you have really old hardware, you don't have

to care about the power efficiency of it because you're just heating your house. Yay. And oh, there was one other thing that we said that we would talk about on the show today oh should we just at least mention that this eight-year-old became a professional fortnite player what joseph dean signed with team 33 in december last year got a 33 000 signing bonus and a gaming pc meanwhile the game is rated pegi 12 or esrb teen he's been playing that's not a law though no it's not yeah he was playing since he was four and first noticed by the esports team when he was six and a half what holy that is nuts mean, I guess it's not that crazy.

Only two of the top 10 highest earning esports, or excuse me, Fortnite players are over 18. And the World Cup in 2019 was won by then 16-year-old Kyle Bugha-Giesdorf, who walked away with $3 million. This is crazy too. Joseph's mom, Gigi, says she only lets him play for two or three hours a day after school and more on weekends. I mean,

that's like a lot, but it's not night and day. Like he's not going to school. He's like, you know, on the professional gamer track or anything like that. Like still going to school. That's,

uh, that's kind of, that's kind of crazy. It is kind of crazy it is kind of crazy he plays piano he says playing piano helped him a lot with the keyboard he says and mouse but i mean that could maybe make sense yeah just i mean having good fine motor control is never a bad thing when it comes to operating a computer i know you can often kind of identify pianists when they type. Because they're, yeah, I know.

And they're often very good typists. So that makes sense. Age prevents him from streaming on Twitch. Oh, man. In 2019, an 11-year-old professional player was actually banned from Twitch after his real age was discovered. I remember that. Yeah. This is crazy. All right.

was discovered. I remember that. Yeah, this is crazy. All right. Okay. The last thing we wanted to talk about was the Arizona house bill that would require an allowance for third party payment on app platforms. I mean, this is sort of pertinent to you. You want to run us through this one or shall I? Oh yeah, sure. Um, just before we jump into that, one thing I want to mention is that some people have been asking about the desk pads and i have heard from nick um that apparently there will be a late march restock we hope anything can happen in this covid world ladies and gentlemen there's nothing we can do to prevent you know a container from getting stuck in the port for two or three weeks so don't hold your breath i don't want to guarantee anything,

but that is the most current information we have. Yeah, now we're going to be talking about some American politics. A lot of people know. We don't necessarily know everything about American politics. Arizona House advances bill requiring allowance for third-party payment on app platforms.

Sounds super cool. Mobile software development community might be in for a big change in Arizona. The bill HB 2005, backed by the Coalition for App Fairness, composed of Epic, Match, and Spotify, Match and Spotify includes an amendment that specifically prohibits stores exceeding 1 million downloads from requiring a developer that is domiciled in this state to use a particular in-app payment system as an exclusive mode of payments. So if you have a headquarters in Arizona, you you'd be able to use another one that's so oddly specific i mean that's the way it is in the states though right it's basically like 52 countries many countries and then some other countries that don't count as countries for whatever because they're like districts or whatever little and too new or something who knows um well i don't think they're particularly new like uh puerto rico is not new oh right that's fair yeah um

i don't follow that guam is not especially new i don't think rough um this is this is all of this is even after 1898 lobbying effects but wow they're very not new 1898 was when guam became a u.s territory yeah sorry i will let you finish go ahead sorry they were notably newer than that no um so this is after intense lobbying effects uh efforts sorry by apple against the bill uh the bill narrowly passed uh 31 to 29 with all but one democrat voting against and all but one republican voting for it um david heinemeier looks good to me nice uh david heinemeier hansen the creator of hey who got in a spat with apple about this very topic back in june 2020 on twitter you guys Looks good to me. Nice. David Heinemeier Hansen, the creator of Hey,

who got in a spat with Apple about this very topic back in June 2020 on Twitter. You guys might remember that if you've been watching Wancho for a long time. We talked about it. Is prepared to move his company to Arizona should the bill pass. Other developers might want to join. I can see that happening, 100%. If we were an American developer and this was definitely becoming a thing, I would be poking Linus and being like, hey, we need to figure something out. 100%. If we were an American developer and this was definitely becoming a thing, I would be poking Linus and being like,

hey, we need to figure something out because it is actually that big of a deal. The bill still has to make it through the Senate and not get vetoed by the governor before enshrining in the law. The issue has spread to other states with Minnesota and potentially Illinois introducing similar legislation. So we'll have to see how this goes. Fascinating. Can I just say like kudos to the to the Republicans in Arizona for pushing this forward?

Like this is it's all fine and good for a marketplace to allow you to use it. That's good. But that's not fair and open competition. That's a gun to your head, basically. If you want to be a mobile developer, then you're just going to have to use our store and do things our way. I absolutely, yeah, I'm good'm good i'm good this looks good it's it's it's largely specific because i know some people are going to bring up like well you don't have to join that mark it's it's largely to do with with the mobile space yep and how small and binary the mobile space is.

I think this is such a smart play from Arizona because there's a lot of ways that you can attract business to your city or to your county or to your state or to your country, right? And one of the ways that lawmakers seem to lean on, like immediately, they go straight for the tax breaks and the grants and it's like uh actually there's a lot of other things that you could do to be more business friendly like just

help businesses make money um and not just you know have them not pay any taxes so you can't build roads and maintain your schools and all that stuff uh icj says politics i'm gone it's not politics it's tech it just happens to be that sometimes tech gets affected by politics and it's that's why politics is important it really does matter i i suspect you'll see more developers than just hey making that move as well i suspect some of them might wait to see what other states go on we did we did mention at least two names and there might be more after that some of them might hold their cards and wait to see if there's one a little closer to home or one that is literally their home uh but i would not be

surprised if there was i would not be surprised if there at all, if there was movement of preexisting companies. And I can pretty much guarantee that if there's a new company, a very small one that is thinking of starting up, they will strategically start somewhere. 100%. So that might not be something that you hear a ton about. You'll hear more about companies moving.

You won't hear a ton about companies strategically starting in a specific area. But I guarantee you that will happen. gets them in office. And at the end of the day, if this is a small time issue that isn't making national news, and so there's no kind of, there's no attention on it, it's much easier for one side or another to end up being lobbied into doing something that's off brand for them. So there you have it.

Sorry to kind of burst your bubble there. If you are as simple enough to brand yourself as one or the other, then you pretty much, I don't know what to say to you. You have to analyze each issue individually. You can't just, don't fall for the branding. Treat political parties like companies because they are pretty much the same thing. It doesn't matter what it is. Retailer, sports team, political party, they're all companies. They're all trying to sell you and market you something. Try to ignore it. Try to just look at the product, decide for yourself what you actually need because that's the only thing that will

ever actually work. Alright. I think that's pretty much... Oh, we should probably do some super chats. Yes. Alright, I'm going back to the beginning of the show. Jackson says, they announced an update to Ethereum

that is expected to significantly hurt mining profitability, so the limiter will be irrelevant in a few months anyway. I mean, there's been updates to Ethereum that are expected to hurt mining profitability for a long time. I mean, the move to proof of stake in like, what, a couple of years is supposed to basically kill it for small-time miners, I think. But you never know, there could be another altcoin or whatever the case may be hayden says did you see the videos

about intel's rise and fall from channel cold fusion in part two he included your rant on the 10 900k i didn't uh maybe i'll find some time to check that out pretty sure i think let me just cold fusion cold fusion yeah cool channel that's awesome i'll have to check that out i've watched quite a few things from cold fusion cool this video is to laughing stock well gee i don't know if we called them a laughing stock did we ah we might have laughed a little oh wow this is a really long video yeah oh neat okay cool uh what else we got in the super chatamalance today uh these are questions i answered uh pulter bit pulter bit uh linus thanks for everything you guys at ltd do been watching for years please take down big scalp at the end of the day i don't want to oversell

this guys you know this is not going to get rid of scalping all that we can do is do our absolute best to fight scalpers with the products that we are able to get our hands on right and and like some someone commented saying like oh what stops someone who is a verified actual gamer to like just flip it on ebay it's like well nothing like no system is perfect we're we're trying to implement the best thing that we can yeah uh to try to give the highest chance possible of landing it in the hands of someone who's going to put in put it in their system and game on it yeah uh nicholas says i went to micro center this past tuesday in georgia and people were fist fighting over a single 3080 it was actually pretty funny. Fortunately, I was a lucky lad who got one before.

Oh, man. Yeah. Igor says, still rocking an RX 480. And high-end cards are, yeah, just at a point where they're utterly unreasonable. Totally. 100%. Metal Lupa says, planning on selling shirts on amazon at any point uh right now it's a little challenging um selling things on amazon for a variety of reasons so i don't want to get into

like any details um but we have had some difficulty with the water bottles for example but i do know that the abcs of gaming will be on amazon fairly shortly abdul abdullah says something to note is that electric heating isn't the most efficient way to heat if your home has a heat pump and that's true yes if you have a heat pump that is more efficient than using straight electric heat good to know for everyone uh ln2 pro says i think the idea behind those is that they're protectorates and we're not a colonial society so we didn't want to just swallow them up without having a say-so uh yeah now we're getting more down the line of politics yeah now we're getting into politics i'm sure if you asked uh i'm sure if you asked like puerto rico if they'd like to have all the benefits of being a state or the

district of columbia they'd say yes at this point point in time. Johnny says, where's AMD's hardware accelerated GPU scheduling? It was in Adrenaline 2020 edition 20.5.1 beta, then it just went away. I actually don't know. That's a wonderful question. And finally, Ryan says, I just built my girlfriend a computer for her dream of 3D animation based on your build guide. Thank you for everything. Hey, you're welcome, Ryan. Freaking awesome. So that's it for the WAN show. We will see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel.

Bye. wait hold on very important pone for skittles got a last minute super chat in there. What should I eat for dinner? Skittles, obviously. Only Skittles. Just a big bowl of Skittles. Giant bowl of Skittles. Oh, Nate says, glad you guys don't rely on Amazon to sell your merch. Keep the margins and keep delivering the quality.

You know what's up, Nate. All right. Later, guys. Bye.