The WAN Show - YOU CAN INSTALL WINDOWS 11!! - WAN Show August 27, 2021

Episode Date: August 30, 2021

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Microsoft has updated the Windows 11 recommended system requirements. This comes to us courtesy of Microsoft's own blog. This is a little update on Windows 11 minimum system requirements and the PC Health Check app. If you guys didn't remember, the PC Health Check app was this super basic tool that pretty much just said, you're not eligible without really telling you exactly why, which led to a fair bit of confusion in the Windows community, which is basically the PC user community. Although I actually hosted a Facebook Live audio room earlier that ended up being a fantastic discussion with the one and only Wendell from Level One Techs

with the topic being Linux, then, now, and the future. And he and I both agreed for different reasons that desktop computing in the future could easily change over to Linux. Or at least I think I convinced him. I think I convinced him of my rationale behind it. And we can, I don't know, Luke, if you want to throw that in the doc,

we can talk about that a little bit more later. But getting Wendell's contribution side is probably really important. I think it's pinned on our Facebook page. It's a live audio room. Anyway, Microsoft made a blog post today outlining their results from a revisit to the Windows 11 system requirements. And there's some good takeaways here. And there's also some ones that are going to be really disappointing for a lot of people who bought computers not that long ago. What they concluded is that the original list of compatible 64-bit processors,

blah, blah, blah, is the right minimum system requirements to deliver on the principles they established for the best user support. So they're basically saying after further inspection, we were correct. They did, however, identify that there was a group of PC models that met the principles while running on 7th gen rather than 8th gen or higher CPUs. So Intel's Core 7820HQ, okay, but this is only select devices that ship with modern drivers based on declarative, componentized,

hardware-supported apps design principles, including the Surface Studio 2, and Intel's Core X Series and Xeon W Series. So those are the only 7th gen CPUs that they found met the requirement. So to summarize, this means that if you have a 1st gen Ryzen CPU, which last time I checked was really not that long ago. I mean, when did the Ryzen 1600X launch? 2017. That was only, is that right? 2017 that that that was only is that right yep april 2017 just four years ago windows 11 is not for you and if you have a seventh gen cpu that

isn't one of the ones that we just listed so basically most of them you are plum out of luck of them, you are plum out of luck. Specific Ryzen 2000 series CPUs are unsupported as well. So specifically, this would be ones like the 2200G and 2400G. If I recall correctly, those are not Zen 2 based. Those are like Zen Plus or something like that. Are they Zen 1 or what type of Zen are they? Blah, blah, blah blah based on the zen architecture so they were named 2000 series but effectively they weren't i'm really glad that amd is cleaning up this problem with their processor naming scheme now for a while they had mobile cpus that sounded like they were a generation further along than they actually were and it looks like as we move into 5000 and 6000 series,

that should no longer be the case going forward. I really hope they can keep that tidy. There was really no excuse for how stupid that was. Now, their reasoning for not adding more CPUs or older ones to the list was due to reliability, security, and compatibility. Sorry, what? They didn't provide any sort of granularity to these results though. Like do their crash numbers apply to all 7th gen CPUs? So here basically,

this is an Imgur capture of what they mean by that. So reliability means devices that do not meet the minimum system requirements had 52% more kernel mode crashes. Sort of raises a question, who is that on? Is that on Microsoft or is that on the device, the person who didn't upgrade their computer? Devices that do meet the minimum system requirements had a 99.8% crash-free experience. minimum system requirements had a 99.8% crash-free experience. Okay. Security. Windows 11 raises the baseline, blah, blah, blah, et cetera, et cetera. Compatibility. People continue to increasingly use their PCs for video conferencing, productivity, and gaming. And they set the minimum system requirements to align with some of the most commonly used apps. Well, one issue I have with that is that basically just sounds like Microsoft wants to hand over every user who only needs to do basic word processing and email

to Google. Okay, Microsoft says, why don't you just buy a Chromebook then? To which people might reply, I guess I will. So that's interesting. I have been trying so hard to find this audio room and I don't know if I'm just too young for Facebook now or what but as far as I can tell it's just

gone. If you message Jono maybe he can either fix that or link you to where to find it. According to The Verge, Microsoft also clarified that they will only be enforcing their system requirements if you are upgrading from Windows 10 to Windows 11. This will not be enforced on for the best Windows 11 experience, you really should have a newer computer. But if you install Windows 11 clean from just from a USB thumb drive, nothing will prevent you from installing it on an older machine. So apparently this functionality is designed primarily for businesses to evaluate Windows 11, and they will allow people to upgrade to it at their own risk in this fashion, but the company can't guarantee driver compatibility and overall system reliability. Microsoft will not be recommending or advertising this method of installing Windows 11 to consumers. So that was a lot of doom and gloom and bad sounding stuff at the beginning of this segment.

But overall, I think this is about the best we could have expected. Now, this is probably my tinfoil hat kind of coming out here a little bit. But I think the big takeaway here is not the method by which Microsoft is allowing Windows 11 to be installed on older hardware, but rather the specific users that Microsoft is locking out of Windows 11. And that would be people that are taking advantage of loopholes in the Microsoft free upgrade from older operating systems system that allow them to sort of launder a pirated copy of Windows by just upgrading it through multiple versions of Windows. With that said, so it sounds like they're trying to shed a lot of that dead weight that upgraded their cracked versions of Windows 7 to Windows 10, because that would be a group

of users that is running older hardware. With that said, I can't see how anything would prevent you from taking that drive either installing it in newer system or cloning it over to a newer system and then performing the upgrade so there will still be ways to work around it but maybe it's just going to be a little more difficult. Overall, because Windows 11 is a bit of a nothing burger in terms of performance upgrades from what we saw, at least for gaming, there's no real reason for you to be worried about this in any way

because you can still install it clean if you really want to. And probably the best way to pirate Windows is the official way, which is to just say, no, I don't have a license key when you're installing it, and then just run it forever and not be able to change your desktop background. Oh, except you can if you just right-click on a picture and set as desktop background. That's probably the easiest way to pirate Windows these days. So nothing prevents you from continuing to do that. It's just that Microsoft isn't going to condone you running older hardware.

So, all right. Sounds good. And I guess I don't have to worry too much about any of it. Also, because I actually, I finally activated the Windows install on my home desktop, Luke. I did too. I don't know if you know about that. Oh, did you really? I don't remember why.

I honestly don't remember. It was quite a while ago, though. I think I was watching a movie full screen and I was just kind of tired of looking at the watermark. And I was just like, how much does this cost? You know what? Fine. I feel like I needed to for some reason or something um oh okay i was on a call i was on a work call not with an employee it was an external i don't

remember who it was but it was like an external person and i was screen sharing and they like mentioned it and i was like yep that doesn't sound very pro. So I fixed it. Yep, that makes sense. Jake Heaver is in floatplane chat says, DIY upgraders are such a small segment of the market. They don't care about us. They're drawing a line to maximize

the amount of average users they can sell a new OEM license to. Honestly, I don't even think Microsoft is after selling new OEM licenses. No, I don't think so. It's not that many. I mean, it's a lot, to be clear. Like here, let's pull up Windows 10 on Newegg, okay?

Here we go, here we go, all right? Windows 10, this one right here, is the number one best seller in operating systems that makes sense whoa 1382 reviews now that's a lot you know like if i were to use if i were to extrapolate those numbers based on the um uh based on the numbers that I see for the ABCs of gaming on Amazon. How many we sold versus how many reviews those are. I mean, that's tens of thousands, maybe into hundreds of thousands of units, probably. Especially when you factor in that there's other avenues by which Microsoft can directly sell Windows to users, and there's other stores other than Newegg.

But in the grand scheme of things, okay, let's go look for a Ryzen 5600X CPU, okay? So let's go take probably the most popular, yep, there it is, the most popular desktop CPU. Holy smokes, 1,766 reviews for this thing something here doesn't compute there's only like what maybe so we got which which windows 10 so we got 64-bit oem we got the retail one with the thumb drive that's got another 300 views okay there's pro's Pro. So that's another 13. Oh, wow. No, these are combined. Home and Pro here, 1382.

Here's another boxed one. Here's like a retail one. This is combined with this one though. Oh, that's hilarious. 376. Those are the same. This 285 here. Oh, whoops.

You guys can't see what I'm looking at here. Whoops, sorry. These two both have 285. So those appear to be a combined one as well. Something doesn't compute. Clearly, a lot of people are buying the most popular CPU and then not buying Windows. So even the OEM market, what I'm trying to say, is not as big of a deal as you might think. What Microsoft is trying to do is they're trying to drive overall sales of new computers forward because that's something that Microsoft stands to benefit from in the long term. They want people, when people buy a new computer, they want them buying a new Windows computer

and they want that happening on a reasonably frequent basis because it's good for their partners. What's good for the goose is good for the ganders. And Microsoft has taken that approach for a very, very, very long time. So yeah, I'm glad they're leaving us the capability to do it. I mean, I suspect they realized that people would have found a hacky way around it anyway. So I'm glad they're just kind of accepting it. But I also understand why they want people to have a good experience on Windows 11, especially if a lot of their branding around Windows 11 is going to be, you know, this is the most reliable Windows ever. This is the most secure Windows ever. In other news, speaking of reliability, Western Digital has apparently pulled an ADATA,

which is not a good thing. We did a video recently outlining how ADATA has, over the years, played basically a component roulette with the components that might end up in your, what was it, the SX8100 or 8200? I can't remember exactly the model. Yeah, the model of SSD. But we had our community submit, and we actually paid them for them. We bought them for, I think it was like twice the market rate to make it worth people's time to reformat their machine.

But we bought these ADATA SSDsds from our community and we compared them we benchmarked them we used a tool that allowed us to see exactly what components made them up and we got five different drives that had almost nothing in common with each other and when you consider that an ssd is just a controller a dr cache, assuming you get a decent one, and NAND flash, if you change even one, let alone two or all three of those components, you are completely changing it to a different product. So Western Digital has performed a nearly silent NAND swap on the WD Blue SN550, much like the recent incidents with ADATA and CRUCIAL. This new NAND on the SN550 has significantly slower write speeds once the cache becomes exhausted. According to Extreme Tech, the average write speed when the static 12GB

SLC cache is exhausted is as low as 394 megabytes per second on the new drive. Previous iterations of the drive would average around 610 after exhausting the cache. That is a huge difference. And the problem, actually, I see a couple of problems here. One of them is that this is on a drive that advertises write speeds of up to 2400 megabytes per second. And the other is that the average user would have no way of knowing that a change like this has been made until all of a sudden they go to do something demanding with their drive and it's just slow and they don't understand why. With a 12 gigabyte SLC cache, so if you guys aren't familiar,

an SLC cache basically takes a component of your MLC or TLC or QLC NAND, so that's how many bits per cell are being stored, and it operates it in SLC or single bit per cell mode. What that does is it effectively cuts in half or a third or even a quarter how much data you can store on that cache component, but it makes it perform way better, especially for writes and endurance as well, actually, for that matter.

All right. So that SLC cache, super fast, and it's great for, you know, if you're installing Photoshop or something like that, that's going to happen real fast, as fast as your CPU can keep up with decompressing the files and, and, uh, feeding the SSD with data to write. The problem is that as soon as you go to do something heavy, 12 gigs is actually not that much in the context of, let's say, for example, gigs is actually not that much in the context of, let's say, for example, installing a vidya game. Like, Luke, off the top of your head, okay, can you think of any games that are larger than 12 gigabytes?

Hit me with one. I can think of a game that's over 10 times bigger than that. Call of Duty. Call of Duty is notoriously massive. The last few Call of Duty games have been like well over 100 gigs each um there's yeah the way these slc caches work is as long as everything you're doing fits within them everything is hunky-dory everything's fast but once you are have the and then and then once the drive is idle, it'll flush that cache slowly over time out to the less performant TLC or QLC operating mode NAND. So if you were to go and install a massive game, for example, it is very conceivable that after a short period of time, your performance would absolutely tank.

And now we're talking as low as about two thirds of the performance that you would have had before the NAND swap. In the real world, probably won't work out that way. It probably won't affect it to that degree because there are other bottlenecks when you're installing a program, unless you're just doing a raw file copy. But it's not a good look. So here is the statement they made to Tom's hardware, though. In June 2021, we replaced the NAND and the WD Blue SN550 NVMe SSD and updated the firmware. At the time, we updated the product data sheet.

For greater transparency going forward, if we make a change to an existing internal SSD, we commit to introducing a new model number whenever any related published specifications are impacted we value our customers and are committed to providing the best possible solutions for their data storage needs the issue is that this isn't the first time that wd has ever had egg on their face for not for for improperly labeling a drive i mean do you guys remember that whole shingled magnetic recording scandal it's a ring spell didn't wd issue a previous statement wd statement shingled drives let's see if i can find it wd admits two to six terabyte wd red nas drives use shingled magnetic recording which which is really bad for NAS operation.

Let's see if we can find their statement. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. SMR issue, blah, blah. WD comment. Here we go. Okay, blah, blah, blah. Workloads tend to be not fine. Okay.

Here we go. All right, I got it. You are correct that we do not specify the recording technology in our WD-RED hard drive documentation. We strive to make the experience for our NAS customers seamless, and recording technology typically does not impact small business slash home NAS-based use cases. So, okay. In fairness, they did not commit, at least in this statement, to more accurately label their products.

So I guess that's something. So this is, at least they didn't break their promise since they didn't make make a promise. They didn't make a promise last time. Yeah. The issue, though, is that if they truly value their customers, it shouldn't have taken backlash from news outlets to make a statement on this. And this should never have happened in the first place. I mean, barely anybody reads data sheets because marketing material is what you're you're supposed to be able to rely on it and i know i know people like us will say don't you know don't read in don't buy the marketing you know don't read into the marketing but but also when

the marketing is just a specification you're not supposed to have to go find the separate list of specifications that's not fair and like i don't want to be that guy but it's it's a fairly boring product yeah that i think a lot of people want to be able to buy off of recommendation exactly recommendation could be out of date compared to your product sheet so it should really be a new model. You do not want to read 100 reviews of like $100 SSD. You want to be able to trust that if you're buying from a company like Western Digital,

that it's just what it's supposed to be. It's exactly the grade of product that you expect it to be. Like people buy based on a brand. Of course, WD has fantastic products like their SN850 Black SSD. It's a really, really, really fast drive. A lot of the time, that's how halo marketing works. You have the best product on the market, and so people just kind of go, oh yeah, they make good stuff, but I can't afford their best. But so I'll buy this knowing that I can trust it. When you pull a move like this, you erode that trust.

Oh, right. And in other news, Samsung actually pulled a similar move. So the legendary 970 EVO Plus, fantastic drive for the money. Samsung actually went and this is really complicated. It looks like my notes here don't cover all the details about this, but basically what Samsung did was because of the silicon shortage and because of the COVID restrictions, the factory that makes the controller in the 970 evo plus has apparently been offline since about february so due to shortages they're actually apparently using the same controller from the 980 pro this is all out of memory for me because these this is not in my notes but but if I recall correctly, that is the case. That sounds on paper like an upgrade, right? Except that one of the key functions of the controller in the 980 Pro

is PCI Express Gen 4 compatibility. That's turned off. So what Samsung has done is they have increased the cache from 45 gigs to 112 gigs. They've changed the packaging and the write speed when you're not using that SLC cache. So theoretically, you might not notice this change because you've got a larger cache. But the write speed when you're not using the cache has gone from about 1500 megabytes per second to just 800. So what sounds on the surface like an upgrade does not actually appear to be an upgrade, which I would say is unfortunate. But this isn't fortune. This is intentional. They knew it. They knew they did it. They changed the packaging

and they expected us to just keep, keep buying the 970 Evo plus thinking that it's still the same drive we loved. Samsung, come on. You're the vertically integrated one. You're the one that I'm supposed to be able to just recommend without worrying about it at all you know who i don't think has ever been embroiled in one of these controversies i don't think intel has i've had my own issues with intel ssds but crucial has crucial ever pulled uh an ssd you know what i i think they have that kind of that kind of rings a bell i think crucial Crucial has probably changed NAND, although I don't know if they've ever been caught with a clear downgrade.

I'll have to count on the chat to let me know. Buyer beware. Crucial swaps P2 SSDs TLC NAND for slower chips. RIP. RIP, Crucial. I tried. I just kind of thought I haven't heard any news about Crucial in a long time

so maybe they're okay but apparently not Black Darkstorm asks What about Sabrent? I don't think Sabrent has managed to attract any controversy yet but Sabrent, unlike a lot of these other companies WD, Crucial

Intel to a lesser extent now, but at least before, Samsung for sure, these guys are all, to some extent, vertically integrated, which is to say that they manufacture the components that make up the finished product. This news is from this month. Oh, Crucial? Yeah, this was August was august 16th oh well that's awkward yeah uh okay gremlin injector says sk hynix but nobody cares about them and most of their customers are system integrators so for all we know they have swapped things but that would

have been something they would have coordinated with the system integrator because no one cares about the spec of an SK Hynix drive. They care about the spec of the computer. So as long as that's maintained, then I guess it doesn't matter. With that said, SK Hynix has some really solid drives these days. If I recall correctly, it's not one of the most performant drives, but their P31, this is off the top of my head, sorry, their P31 is super power efficient.

So in terms of performance per watt, if I recall correctly, that's a really outstanding drive. They don't get enough credit because they've been around a long time making OEM drives, as you alluded to, but they just don't have the recognition in the consumer space. Max the Everything 7 seven on floatplane says

i mean samsung had literally been pushing their 980d ramless ssds on amazon as equal to their evo and pro lines yeah that's uh that's fair ask opti says kioxia i don't think kioxia has been nailed um i don't think so or even toshiba pre-kyoxia i mean one of the companies they acquired definitely ran afoul of uh these kinds of uh these kinds of guidelines we're providing you know don't change products without telling the consumer the kyoxia or toshiba acquired ocz way back in the day and they they definitely they definitely had issues yeah that was yep just a few um sk hynix is is there is their public popularity more of a north american thing like the their lack of it you mean yeah that could be um i know that they've been...

If you remember, when I was trying to get my RAM and drives for my previous Geodude system, the problem was that they didn't have availability in North America. Not that they didn't have availability. Got it. I don't know,

but I think they're... I'm not sure. Might be more popular elsewhere. Might just completely not be. I don't know, but I think they're... I'm not sure. Might be more popular elsewhere. Might just completely not be. I don't know. Newegg has almost no reviews for pretty much anything SK Hynix. But the Gold P31 that SSDI alluded to before has almost 1,000 ratings on Amazon.

So it seems like that's something that they are addressing at least to a degree yeah wow their 500 gig version on newegg.com has over 4 000 reviews five stars so it's funny because these fortunes always come and go, right? Like SK Hynix for many years, like way back in the day, I'm talking like 15 years ago, right? Like SK Hynix had a reputation for being like the crappy RAM on your GPU. That was kind of the only context that you'd have for SK Hynix. It's like, oh, you better hope you get Samsung chips because if you get the SK Hynix version,

your RAM won't overclock as well. Stuff like that. But nowadays, they're actually building a reputation around power efficiency and solid performance, even if it's not industry-leading performance. I don't even think they have a Gen 4 drive yet. Slow and steady wins the race, I guess. Yeah.

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We're memeing it up, guys. Enjoy. Enjoy. Limited time only. At the same time, if you want the original mouse pad, the Northern Lights desk pad, there are a ton of sizes. A ton of new sizes really small ones really big ones there's one that's 1500 by 900 it's basically a a yoga mat almost um

dangerously close it's actually pretty close to the limit for weight that we can ship internationally without incurring like enormous shipping fees wow so yeah it's it's really it's like really big and really heavy all right let's move on to another topic what else we got luke hit me uh there's some interesting ones in the in the rapid fire section we could talk about only fans um only fans reverses their decision to ban adult content so if you watch the last wan show we talked about it extensively only fans was like no more porn is allowed on only fans some lewd content is going to be allowed we'll tell you more about it later and then just like kind of dropped the whole conversation and has now come back and said uh psych never mind everything's fine um the this

this change is coming yeah less than a week after their initial announcement that they were planning to end adult hosted content not all of it but yeah um they've now secured assurances necessary to support our diverse creator community and have suspended the planned october one policy change um they're now preaching inclusion and saying they will provide a home for all creators i'm sure this comes off the back of probably a lot of creators jumping ship uh yeah a little bit the considering the porn industry is worth billions of dollars estimates say 6 to 97 billion what that's a big range that's a massive range uh there is clearly someone out there willing to pocket transaction fees. Yeah, of course. Of course. I mean, this is something that we know from research that we've done on this topic. Like, I mean, Luke, you've looked into alternate payment processing platform

platforms before. I'm going to say alternate. I mean, ones that are willing to process your payments sort of regardless of what type of content you have on your site. Can you talk a little bit about what that looks like? They're really expensive. And they always have been really expensive because they kind of know, they're in a weird spot because they seem to understand that if you are talking to them, you have to be talking to them. Right.

And I don't know how many market segments are like that where like you're the not as good product but you know that because you're the not as good product if someone is talking to you they don't have the option of using the better products so you can actually charge them more um right what makes the payment processor not as good though like help me out here. User experience can be pretty bad. The support on the back end, the developer friendliness of it, compliance with different browser things. There's a lot that can be very annoying.

So you gloss over that stuff, but that's really interesting stuff that I think the average person would not know about. Yeah, and the average person would not know about. So yeah, and the average person basically never has to run into it because pretty much the whole internet doesn't run on those types of payment processors. Most payment processors that people use are from a very small grouping of payment processors that are very clean. You generally only deal with like like amazon payments google payments apple payments uh shopify is actually really massive um um stripe and and paypal or paypal trading as braintree um and there isn't like a ton outside of that there's some exola stuff

if you did uh twitch back in the day and there was problems with that and that's part of the reason why that's being phased out as far as i can tell and some other things but like it's it's really annoying for everyone involved if the payment process is not basically perfect right so if it's not pretty much perfect people don't want to use it and they're going to file down into these major payment processors. We've got people in the float plane chat that are talking about crappy payment processors and just the bad experiences they've had with them. So Mills Jonas says, I've had experiences with payment processors just not registering that I canceled a subscription and then I had to fight for a refund. Let's see here uh yep uh pen pan beach says implementation bugs poorly documented api uh happy roll cake says uh

epoch apparently wouldn't remove their card details from their server apparently shopify payments is built on stripe so that's even more of like yeah like why why deal with with difficult things a lot of a lot of uh consolidation has happened in the payment space over the years right that makes sense um and to be clear i personally do not believe that this move was ever anything to do with onlyans not having any way to process payments. I mean, the porn industry has been around as long as the internet has existed. I mean, I wonder if there's

actually like a historical sort of record of this, like first nude picture on the internet. That was probably really early, I'm suspecting. There's gotta be. There's gotta be be what is this what is this useless page here what am i looking at okay brief history of while you look for that i just uh something we're actually quite happy about is that we decided not to pursue creating

an alternative uh because psych probably most people that are on there are going to stay, I do think a very significant amount of people have probably left. And just as someone who kind of used to be, I guess, a creator to other potential creators, I would highly recommend diversifying your platforms. Hopefully, this was enough of a like kick in the butt to get you to do that. But even if you're still on that platform, and you're like, Oh, my like, livelihood isn't being ripped out from under me. That's great. And I'm happy for you about that. But you should also definitely diversify your platforms. I don't have an offering for you. So this is not even self pandering, but you should still do it. Try to find somewhere else that you can set up shop as well.

Even if you're just mirroring your uploads on both platforms, whatever, having a base somewhere is very valuable. Yep. So, I mean, really, it appears that it had everything to do with raising funds and taking on investors. it appears that it had everything to do with raising funds and taking on investors. The thing is that OnlyFans appeared to have overplayed their hand a little bit. It seems like more than Luke and I anticipated, there must be safe for work content on OnlyFans. It's just that maybe what they felt was that the safe for work content had this momentum that would carry them through this transition. But maybe what they didn't realize was that the only reason safe for work content creators were surviving on the platform was that so many users were being driven to it by not safe for work content. Because once you're in the habit of using a platform, it i mean how do i put this there's only so many hours a day that you could comfortably you know enjoy pornography i i think i think i i think okay look

don't don't don't quote me on this i actually really would prefer not to be quoted on this um but then you know at some point you'll be done so to speak someone watching was just like challenge accepted at some point you'll be done and you'll like want to do something else and if only fans played their cards right they could easily entice you to go do something safe for work at the same time. So it seems like they misinterpreted that momentum in safer work content as sort of a change in their identity as a platform. But what it actually was is just a break, so to speak.

Yeah. So I think if they're smart, they will just keep making their ludicrous amounts of money 600 million dollars a year or whatever not bother taking on investors buy mega yachts for all of their founders because that's the kind of freaking money that they're making right now and just chillax with the whole investor thing or create a sister site you know i mean that was that was the way that we were planning to address adult content so there's no reason they couldn't do the same thing reversed

yeah and you can use your your adult content platform to get that sister site off the ground absolutely absolutely instead of driving people to like a creator on only fans that's safe for work you could drive a creator to this sister site. I mean, since OnlyFans, most of the interactions, remember we started one recently, most of the interactions are done through the website, like just the mobile browser rather than an app because of just prudish app store policies.

So nothing would prevent you from just having that link open on a completely different site. You could probably even maintain login credentials, Luke. Is that something you could do from a user privacy, user security? I think there are some issues there. I'm not 100% certain, but I'm pretty sure there are some issues there. Because you have different agreements on both sites. Oh, that makes sense.

In really bad news, how about we just put it that way tsmc will be raising their prices by up to 20 this comes courtesy of tom's hardware and the wall street journal uh yes my friends that is how mainstream this bad news is getting. World's largest chip maker to raise prices threatening costlier electronics. This is not a threat. This is reality. This is just happening. So seven nanometer and smaller wafers will increase as much as 10 percent, while 16 nanometer and larger nodes will increase by 20% for all orders set to be fulfilled starting in December. TSMC's yeah go ahead. I just said real like it's it's coming up basically now. Yep by the time if you were hoping that you know the the shortage would go away and prices would fall. It looks like by the time

that would have any hope of happening whatsoever, the raw prices of the materials will be going up, although maybe that'll help with the shortage if fewer people can afford to buy anything. That's not the

solution we want. I also don't think it will because everything's just getting scalped anyways, right? TSMC's N5 and N7 fabrication was 49% of their $13.29 billion in revenue in the second quarter of 2021, while N16 and N28 accounted for 25% of Q2 revenue. So companies like AMD and Qualcomm could see increased prices in the near future, as well as ASIC manufacturers like Bitmain. TSMC isn't the only one though. Global Foundries, PSMC, SMIC, and UMC have all increased production prices recently, and you can bet that Intel, with the investments that they're making in new fabs right now, is going to be following suit,

even as they get into the fabrication business and try to increase competition in that space and the worst part of this guys is these numbers we're quoting you 10 20 you will be lucky if that's all you see in terms of end sticker price increase because that ain't the way it works. Typically, just rough ballpark numbers. Typically, for every 1% that you increase the basic bill of materials cost of a product, you can expect to see about a 2% increase in the final end product. Once all the middlemen and stakeholders and packaging and marketing and

blah blah blah blah blah that's kind of your basic guideline for how much you can expect an increase in materials cost to affect the finished product so that's rough because a 10 increase in the cost of the chip that goes at the heart of your gpu means you could probably end up spending i would say on like a high-end gpu easily another 5200 don't underestimate how much this is gonna suck i think it could be more than that you said high-end gpu i think it'd be more than that for sure remember too though that a lot of the cost of a high-end gpu is in memory as well a lot of the cost is in power delivery okay yeah so yeah good point i'm talking just the chip yeah yeah kind of crazy that it's across the board this also like we we saw the

gpu shortage kind of is barely but we saw it kind of showing signs of going away but uh this i have a feeling is not going to be reversed this this so this is probably here to stay yeah and the the thing is that prices are whatever the market will bear and nvidia had for a long time been playing a game of let's just quietly increase prices each generation one of the most egregious ones was when the GTX 680 came out. If you guys recall, the GTX 680, it was actually priced very competitively compared to its predecessor, the GTX 580, or was it 580 GTX? I can't remember when they moved the things around, but it doesn't matter. The 680 sounded like a deal compared to the 580, except for one small detail. That's that the 680 used their,

what was 680, Maxwell? Fermi, then Kepler? I don't remember. The point is, it used their next tier down. It didn't even use their largest chip, whereas previously, eight class GPUs had always used their largest chip. So they were effectively selling you like a high-end rather than enthusiast-end GPU for the same price that the previous generation enthusiast one went for. It wasn't until we got the, I want to say 780, because the higher end 6 was 690, and that was a dual GPU chip. It wasn't until we got the 780 that that large chip finally made its way into a consumer product. And by then, they had managed to increase the price compared to the 580. So NVIDIA has been playing this game for a long time,

but this pandemic situation, this shortage situation, has given them an excuse to just, you know, skip a bunch of steps. And when things settle down, they will settle. But I would be very surprised if we ever see another top tier GPU for, you know, $699, $749. I think those days are over. Yep, agreed. Do you want to talk about the Linux desktop future thing? I want to talk about the Apple settling their developer class action lawsuit thing, because this has huge implications. And I'd like to kick it off. You can run through the

topic because this is something you're a little bit better versed in than me. But I want to kick it off by saying to everyone who defended Apple's behavior and said that Apple is not a monopoly and the app store is just uh their their playground their rules um this is apple's admission essentially that you're wrong their behavior was bad and you are actually wrong and you need to go read go read go read about antit. Go read about antitrust. Go read about anti-monopoly laws. Go read, please. Because I am really, I have gotten so many frustrating, stupid tweets about this. Every time I talk about it, I just get these horrendously bad takes. Apple's behavior is bad. It's really bad. And the fact that they're settling this, the fact that they're settling this the fact that they're settling this to the tune of 100 million dollars in a small developer fund tells you how bad it is

and how badly they want this to go away and not this is not this is not the epic lawsuit no this isn't even the epic lawsuit yet. Okay, so Luke, why don't you run us through this? Okay, so this one's a little weird and I haven't like fully dove into it because it's not the epic one. But in a settlement pending court approval, Apple agrees to a bunch of different terms. Clarify that developers can communicate directly

with customers about alternative payment options outside of the app this is very good very happy about that that's like the core thing for us that's the main thing we're excited about um they they can however use contact information gleaned from the app now with permission yeah yeah whatever um they are also establishing this is the part that's like a little odd for me and I haven't dove far enough into. They're establishing a $100 million small developer fund ranging between $250 to $30,000 to developers based on their size. I'm not 100% certain how that's supposed to work. Also, it's not really $100 million. It's closer to $70 million, but we'll get more into that in a moment. Also, they are going to keep the small business program

for another three years, expand price points, clarify that developers can appeal rejections, commit to develop search and discovery to drive high quality apps. That one's a little interesting, not 100% certain how that actually ties into the rest of it, but whatever. And issue a transparency report about apps

that are rejected and customer and developer accounts that are also rejected. That part is nice as well. I like that one too. Because sometimes it's really hard to tell why the heck your thing actually got rejected. And if you guys remember, we got stuck in a many month long rejection loop that they eventually just admitted like, oh yeah, we just actually like never really reviewed it. Um, and it has been fine for a long time. And all these revisions of the app that you guys made trying to be more and more compliant was actually useless because you guys were fine for many months ago. That was incredibly frustrating. Um, something kind of funny, kind of awkward,

kind of annoying. I don't know enough about the legal space to actually understand how off base or on base this is, to be completely honest. Like this might be totally normal. It doesn't sound normal to me. But that $100 million small developer assistance fund, the lawyers that won this suit. So we're happy about it. Or reached a settlement with Apple. Right. Yes. We're happy that won this suit. So we're happy about it. Or reached a settlement with Apple. Right. Yes.

We're happy that this is happening. They're happy. We're happy that they got there. But the lawyers are planning on taking or I don't think it's planning. I believe they just are taking $30 million of the $100 million small developer assistance fund. the 100 million dollar small developer assistance fund um i know there's a lot of like different weird ways that lawyers are compensated for their work so i don't know how like normal this is i don't know how normal that's not that unusual yeah yeah that's not that unusual for a lawyer to work for a very low rate with the um goal of being of winning the case with as large a settlement as possible

and then getting paid out of that settlement. And in fact, it's one of the biggest problems with class action suits in general is that the only real beneficiary is lawyers. So there's this constant incentive for lawyers to just file more and more and more of these suits because they basically get to go after a nice juicy vein to suck onto. That company gets to pay a whack of money because probably they did something wrong, or maybe not, I don't know, whatever.

The lawyers managed to win the lawsuit. And then the actual end users who were affected by this in some in some meaningful way in a lot of cases um i mean i've seen settlements as small as like five dollars right like it's not it's not an amount of money that is almost not even worth filing for yeah yeah that is meaningful in any way so the lawyer so you know let's say you had a million dollar settlement 30 of it goes to the lawyer or the firm, so that's like $300,000. And then $2 each to the...

What would that... $5 each to the... What would that work out to? 100,000 people, 120,000 people affected. It's like, okay. So basically, the only purpose it served Was getting the company to admit That they were wrong And then lawyers get money

It's a big problem I don't know how to fix it People in Flowplane Chat are saying that it's extremely normal For attorneys to take like 30-40% I saw someone else say it normally 20% Who knows either way I think this is as outrageous as it sounds I think it's not technically out to lunch,

which is kind of nuts. And while some people are trying to style on the lawyers for doing this, and the fact that they have four pages of reasons why they should get the $30 million, which just sounds funny. I'm just happy that we're moving forward. I'm not super concerned about the small developer fund. There is a huge amount of developers. I suspect we would probably be considered under that and we would probably get next to nothing and it's not going to matter. What does matter is we're moving towards

better payment solutions for the App Store and we're moving towards apple kind of admitting fault and i feel like them losing this one might help the like epic case which is more the one that we're actually hoping to to go through so yeah we'll have to take a long time though because epic is asking for a lot more than these developers were there are some really funny stories in floatplane chat uh alana katyon i think i got six dollars out of a class action suit against google computer whisperer says i got a dollar 95 from a paypal lawsuit uh this is great cmd underscore says i still have the never cashed check for $1.25 or something from a class action about a company using robo-dialers.

This is great. Oh, man. Oh, yeah. And so West T27 says admits they were wrong. Okay. Yeah. Most of the settlements usually say something to the effect of claims no fault. That's a lot of the time.

Part of the payoutout is you know we're yeah you're right uh they're gonna say no we didn't do anything wrong because if they do then it could open themselves up to more lawsuits and you know because obviously if they did something wrong once they probably did it wrong twice um so yeah yep you're probably right, but I still think that this will add fuel. The fact that Apple settled whatever they legally said or not does say something about how vulnerable they think that they are right now. And the fact that they settled for so much would seem to indicate that they're trying to buy a lot of goodwill right now. Yeah, they have not gotten a lot of good press

for the way that they've treated app developers. Speaking of bad press... Yeah, I would have liked more stuff in there that helps the app developers in real ways instead of this, like, small developer fund thing, which is not actually going to really help very many small app developers in the long run and was just like looted for 30 million dollars from the lawyers i i wish there was more actual

stuff coming through but at least there's some stuff coming through and hopefully it sets precedent but i don't know yeah i don't know what to tell to tell you. In other news, what did I want to talk about here? Ah, yeah, Samsung is bricking the Z Fold and Z Flip 3's cameras if you unlock the bootloader. Oh, that sucks. Pretty annoying. They already make it really difficult to get root file system access it's also very intentional like it's not it's not like oh we overlooked this thing and it

happens to brick it when you unlock the thing it's it's definitely on purpose and it's just like i understand blah blah samsung blah, security. But the fact is that this is a feature that turns perfectly working hardware into a brick once you stop supporting it with your software updates, which you're Samsung. You're going to do that at some point. So XDA senior members, oh boy, White Bear is, I think, the direct translation

from the Chinese name, and Ian MacD showed the final confirmation screen during the bootloader unlock process on the Z Fold 3 that mentions that completing the operation will cause the camera to be disabled. So this isn't without precedent. Sony pulled this with their Xperia devices. If you unlocked the bootloader this with their Xperia devices. If you unlocked the boot loader of any Sony Xperia device, it would result in nothing but green pictures. Other software features like Sony's video and audio enhancements were similarly borked. I would have to assume that

this is to prevent anyone from reverse engineering the way that their enhancements work. That would be the only good reason I could think of for sony to implement it in that particular way but the big problem here is that if samsung becomes as locked down as apple a lot of the benefits of going android with a samsung device go away compared to just buying an iphone in the first place um yeah Yeah, I'm not that into that. What I am into, though... Apparently, there have been some workarounds already found. That's good to know.

That's good. What I am into, though, is reading some Super Chaz. Woo-woo! Now, I didn't get all of them because I specifically, intentionally didn't click the Viewer Act activity tab at the beginning of the WAN show. My apologies to anyone who sent one. You were sacrificed for the greater good because Google asked me to screen record the problem that I've been having and I did manage to record it.

So I have a screen recording of Super Chats coming in in the chat on the right, and then the viewer activity tab being empty. And then I click the viewer activity tab and they start populating, which is really stupid and not supposed to happen. So hopefully they'll be able to fix it. So you're, like I said, your sacrifice was for the greater good. Lilith Gaming says, I want to build my first ever PC. should I go for for a good experience? Well, you should watch one of our build guides and then you should post on the Linus Tech Tips forum in the new PC

new build section. People will help you find the right components for your budget and for what you're trying to do Like the best part of the forum Johnny Let's look I don't know how to pronounce that can we use lightly overclocked amd fx 95 90s as a loophole for california's electricity bill it's pretty much a good idea

to build a pc with that processor when you think about it i have no idea what you're trying to get at um the new as far as my understanding goes those laws only apply to systems sold not new new systems sold um which you will not be putting an amd fx 9590 in and number two um an overclocked fx 9590 um that is one of the most inefficient modern era processors. You just like, I don't get it. You shouldn't buy one, I guess is what I'm trying to say. No, I would not recommend that. I would not recommend that.

Tech Kev says, I just watched your video on a customizable laptop. Very good showing what you could do with it. Did you or did you not invest in their company? I did. I have a video coming soon. So I'm going to kind of talk about why I made that decision. Matt Shatuck says, I've built several e-commerce sites and developer friendliness is definitely a significant factor

for choosing a payment processor. Both Stripe and Square have been awesome. I can't say i share your experience with stripe but um has that changed luke are they better now no stripes been good okay pretty good the whole time i thought they were a pain in the butt at the beginning brain tree and paypal oh all right i'm about paypal good old paypal alex and simba been terrible the whole time says linus do you have any plans to do another verified actual gamer drop? I'm sure there are several of us still waiting for a decent price.

Yes. We actually have 100. If I recall correctly, they are 3080 TIs coming from, I think it's MSI. Don't quote me on that. Yeah. Pretty sure. Oh, do you know that? Yeah.

Is that right? Okay. Yep. Yep. So it's not dead ladies and gentlemen it's coming back ah this one's been planned and ready for so long it's actually been forever yeah i know northern rebel 27 says we're in a bad spot right now with the chip shortage but is it reasonable to assume that the reactive investments that have been made will reshape the chip maker landscape and make the future brighter as a whole? It's possible. But the thing is that I don't think these investments are being made with the

intention of driving prices down. They're being made with a keen eye toward how much demand there will be once these fabs go online. I don't think the intention is to overproduce and drive down prices. Sorry. Yeah. Mike Levin says, Thanks, Linus. Finally catching a live show from New Zealand.

Wanted to say thanks for the videos. Hey, thank you, Michael. And John says, Did you know the woman who invented one of the foundational technologies for wi-fi also starred in one of the most famous erotic films of all time um no i can't say i did thanks aram uh palladian and zero two says hey guys i need some more ports on my router it only has four what do you recommend to add more that is such a simple tech tip how have we never done a video on that how to add more ports to your router.

Buy yourself a network switch. Are you sure you haven't? I'm sure. I'm sure. I have never done... I feel like on TechQuickie or LineStackTips. Nope. I have never done that.

Like, I just glossed right over that. Wow. Yeah. How have I never done that? Wow. Yeah. How have I never done that? To be fair, these videos...

Oh, no. Tech with Brett from eight months ago. That is totally the kind of thing that people would search for and that I have never addressed. So what you need to do is you need to buy a network switch. So one of these is going to do you just nicely. If you only need a few more ports, this Netgear 5 port unmanaged switch will do just fine for $17. You plug one of your ports on your existing router into one of the ports on this little switch here, and then you plug all your other devices into the rest of them.

They will share that uplink bandwidth. So all those devices will now share the one gigabit probably that the one port on your upstream device is connected to it with. But probably that is fine because they probably all won't be going full bore at the same time. And what's nice is that if you have devices that are all connected to the little five port switch they can communicate with each other at full gigabit speed it's only if they have to cross over to devices on the other switch so as long as you lay things out in a way that's kind of

sensible you can minimize the amount of traffic on that uh potential bottlenecked link potentially bottlenecked link and that's it it's the end of the wan show we will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye you