The WAN Show - You Deserve Better - WAN Show May 26, 2023

Episode Date: May 29, 2023

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welcome to the WAN show everyone the truth is I screwed up this week yeah it's very obvious that I mean I just I couldn't conceal it anymore we were paid by NVIDIA for our RTX 4060 Ti review and the scariest part of what I just said is that a not insignificant number of people are going to take that at face value, not watch any more of the video, and believe it for the rest of their days. Let's talk about how confusing people found our review of the 4060 Ti. We're also going to be talking to you guys

about how confusing I'm finding Sony's new handheld accessory. It's a Wi-Fi based PlayStation 5 streaming thing. Did they learn nothing from the Nintendo Wii U? What else we got going on this week? It does seem like the Wii U was just like actually too early at this point. It's starting to feel that way. It really feels like it.

Wow. Invisible PC setup. This was actually super cool. Did you see this? I read the comments. Oh, wow. Um, invisible PC setup. This was actually super cool. Did you see this? I read the comments. Oh, great. We'll talk about it later because you'll probably need to see it if you want to talk about it more specifically.

But who knows? Maybe. We'll see. The National Eating Disorders Association replaced a helpline with a chatbot because clearly no one there has watched the WAN show. Oh. Because clearly no one there has watched the WAN show. Ugh. Alright, we're going to jump right over to my laptop here and this is one of those things where luke i feel like we need to open the conversation back up open it back up about shadow banning people do it because just do it i actually found the comment section of this video

extremely difficult to handle Let's see see some people get it, please keep calling out this nonsense. This was an extremely Negative review it started with oh Thank you Nvidia at least you didn't downgrade this graphics card. I literally, literally said something actually positive after some negative things. And then I said, okay, that last one wasn't sarcastic. Because I am aware that a not insignificant portion of our audience does have a little bit of trouble picking up on sarcasm, whether it's like a social cue challenge thing or whether it's the fact that English isn't their second language. English is a really weird language.

Rather is their second language. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I made it actually explicit. explicit and the number of comments that are just Let me let me see if I can let me see if I can let me see if I can find this oh Man this is see this is frustrating because I can you need them. They're not there. Yeah the second when I need it Yeah, it's it's not there. That's just that's just how like presenting things on stage or on camera it's just how it's just how it works okay where's my phone because i sent you one on

discord that was just absolutely mind-blowing the point is not to call it any specific user don't go looking for this but i've got a couple comments in a row here like why can't you just say it's a bad deal you're not crapping on nvidia makes it look like you're caping for nvidia not saying you are but that's what it looks like this review also feels short and unrigorous this is a rare thumbs down for me we had probably more game benchmarking yeah than just than we've ever had before extremely rigorous the whole thing is automated now all of our testing this is something to note all of our testing was fresh on the latest drivers for every one of those cards that is extremely unusual but it's also

extremely important I mean you can include numbers from three months ago or six months ago but as we've seen, especially with Intel Arc, and especially when AMD launches anything, within a span of two, three, six months, you might as well just say, I hate AMD and don't feel like showing them in a fair light. You might as well just say that, because if you're not including fresh numbers, that's not valid. It's just actually useless. You might as well just kind of go, you might as well approximate. Well, I didn't have the XT, so I don't know. It has 10% more CUs, so I bumped the clock speed 10%. This is an approximation. And you know what? It would probably be reasonably close, but it's disingenuous to label the chart 6700 XT or whatever it is.

This next one. Thank you. I haven't been watching LTT, and now I remember why. The only reason I clicked was I was hoping the title was sarcasm, but weird how he kept looking for positive things to say when the card is straight-up garbage, trying to stay in NVIDIA's good books. I haven't been in NVIDIA's good books i haven't been in nvidia's good books

years for like a couple years now that's that's not how this works that's not how any of this works um the reason that we're looking for positive things to say is because our reviews are designed to be everything you need to know about the card. And the price? The price is fluid, right? So if you come back to this video in a couple years, and you want to know, what features does it have? How does it compare to the cards that are similar around it? And honestly, one of the things the labs did a great job of this time was including older cards.

The number of positive comments we got from people saying, wow, thank you so much for putting a couple of older cards on the graph for a change. Now I have some idea how this compares when I'm looking for an upgrade was really awesome. I just want to give a huge shout out to the writers, huge shout out to the lab. I'm actually really really

proud of our 4060 ti review and our rx 7600 review there are a couple of things we got wrong i think we had a a table in the 4060 ti review that said it had a 16x interface it has an 8x interface that is a problem if you're upgrading an older platform on a modern platform it's not a problem it doesn't affect the numbers that we showed you guys but that is something that we we could have gotten a little bit better and i think there were a couple small things in the 7600 but every time we release a new gpu review we're getting a little bit cleaner about it it's just it's a lot of moving parts guys um but this is one of those things that i'm just looking at going, give me a reason not

to start shadow banning again. Like this is another one that I saw on today's video. It was a short on the Billy Billy gold play button that we got for reaching a million subscribers on Billy Billy, which is super awesome. Like huge shout out. Uh, Dennis has been deeply involved in that over the years. The whole time. Andy's been involved in that over the years and helped foster the community over there.

Our translation team over in China, all the members past and present, just shout out all those people for making this possible. And this is the takeaway that someone got. Was not expecting Linus to take a knee to China after saying he will never visit because of the CCP. What a hypocrite. So here's something. It actually costs us money to run that Chinese channel.

Because I won't go to China anymore, I have no way of getting any of the ad revenue that we've made from that channel out of it, out of China. It's all just stuck there. It's just something where there was a fan group that was translating our videos, pirating them, uploading them to Bilibili. And we kind of went, hey, please don't do that. But how about this? How about we actually compensate you for it and we'll make the whole thing official? And that way we can we can have a proper presence there with translations and all that good stuff if it's going to get pirated

anyways we might as well do it properly we might as well do it properly and it's just one of those things that i look at and i go you know why do i have to read that why do i ever whether you're trolling which honestly i don't think so i i've got a pretty good radar for it these days. No, some people actually are that brain dead. So whether you're trolling, if you are, or whether your takes are just that bad. I just... I used to care about this a lot.

Like shadow banning? Yeah. Like thinking it was a bad thing? Yeah. And then what happened? Is it just because I send you these? Not even sort of anymore. Like I'm actually completely on the other side now.

And this might piss some people off, but it's just the reality. In my opinion, back when I was a stalwart defender of like, you shouldn't ban people, the internet was in a bit of a different spot. And now like, I don't know you you get how many comments every day and it's like yeah i don't know is that helping anything yeah like like actually at all is this is this beneficial for anything are you gonna change anything is this is any discourse coming from this that is helpful yeah so i've been scrolling here's another one this review was way too lenient uh this card is garbage end of story it's not garbage that's just i i don't know what to tell you it's not garbage i feel like

i feel like people have gotten kind of a twisted uh like a twisted perception of what garbage is at the right price it it does it do you plug it into your computer and does it shart fps onto your monitor does it do so without overheating without causing blue screens does it does it harm your dog you You know, like, is it bad? No. It's overpriced. It's just not worth it. That's its problem. Yeah.

Nvidia is marketing a 50 series card as a 60 Ti card. And that's a problem. And pricing it as such. Yeah. And that's a problem. But it doesn't make it garbage. It makes it overpriced. Like, if you found it and it was that card and it was on a mad discount.

Yeah. Maybe it's all right. Absolutely. And happy 45, 34. So there's no criticism allowed on LTT videos, I guess. Say anything bad, they shadow ban you. See, that's not true at all. We have no problem. That is not the point.

We have no problem with constructive criticism. What it is, is I just, I don't. Disingenuous arguments. Starting to, trying to start things just for the sake of trying to start things, like, I don't know. Yeah. I just, I just can't. And, oh man, we've actually got a video coming where I kind of lean into this. I was having some fun with it. I kind of brought back the Scrapyard War spirit, though.

So everyone's getting kind of mad at me for not going hard enough on NVIDIA. And I shouldn't say everyone. I mean, the like-dislike ratio on that video is still about 92%, 93% or something like that. It might even be higher now. Because it tends to be that it's that initial rush of people, like the really hardcore tech people

that are like, oh, this review wasn't critical enough or whatever the case may be but the number of people that are mad at me for not going hard enough at nvidia as if i have any kind of influence whatsoever on nvidia it's just comical to me at this point so i wrote up a little intro uh because i wanted to address that right so it kind of it kind of goes along the lines of like are you tired of GPU manufacturers screwing over your wallet well it's time to take action here let me show you what to do I kind of do a little flourish with my wallet and put it in my pocket and then do you remember the Windows 3.1 sound that's like I did did it. I didn't open it. Then I worked with Nicole from the, uh, from

the editing team to there's this really cool transition that we can do where if you do a whip pan and then a whip pan back, you can use two completely different shots. As long as that blur is of approximately the same things so it actually whips away from me to me standing in the studio and i'm like your performative boycott means nothing you have more than enough gpus for like i basically get to be my own yeah like peanut gallery your performative boycott means nothing blah blah anyway and I'm like and then it whips back to me and it was a really fun video

because I basically went scrapyard shopping and showed that you can get a sick system upgrade for a great price right now and not give Nvidia or AMD any money in fact I had so much fun price right now is it getting better and not giving video or amd any money in fact cool i had so much fun that i'm kind of thinking we might have to bring it back no way i think we might

have to no way it was so fun man i we're back boys let's go go! I basically set a budget for myself. All right. I set a budget for myself of approximately the price of a 4060 Ti. Okay. I managed to beat it by about 30% while still saving like 20 bucks. Oh, performance beat it by 30%. Oh, yeah. And saved 20 bucks.

Oh, yeah. Skyrim Wars Oh that's the best And I have almost a year of warranty On the card I got Damn Okay

What could go wrong? That's sick I won and won and won some more And I got a video out of it Which is winning four times That's another That's a win Yeah exactly

And so I'm looking at it going like Oh oh, yeah, we got another comment over here on the 40. You must have been paid to review this card. People like that clearly have no idea what it's like to work with a brand on a paid promotion. You do. Yeah. Would you be allowed to open with a sarcastic, oh, thank you, NVIDIA, for at least not taking away any VRAM? No. Not even sort of.

You sure? Yeah. Are you sure? Because it seems like you would be able to. Based on some of the comments. Yeah. I wonder how much... We've had stuff kick back for a lot less than that.

This is great. Hold on, hold on, where'd it go? Must've been paid. Super cool, excellent, smart comment. Wonder how much they paid. This video doesn't feel so honest, but I get it from a business perspective. No! You actually don't.

You get nothing. You're not on our side. You missed the whole thing. Whoosh, whoosh. Whoosh, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh. Yeah, I don't know. I just... Anyway, massive, massive shout out to the team.

Really, really happy with those reviews. Really excited for the direction the lab is going. We've had some really cool and exciting meetings lately with the team over there. I think we're going to be ready to roll out some of the category-specific channels. Because I think I've talked about this on the WAN show before, but one of the directions that I see online content going is I see mega channels, like the MKBHDs and LTTs. Actually, even to a lesser degree, Marques,

because he is kind of niche-focused. A little bit more focused. Especially now that he's split cars off of MKBHD onto autofocus. It's kind of mobile devices and consumer electronics. So it's relatively narrowly focused, right? Compared to ours whereas we are as broad as okay this week uh what this thing powered by something this week we uploaded a tour of asml who makes the lithography machines that um help manufacturers like Intel and TSMC produce the world's most cutting-edge microchips.

So, like, super, super deep technical video. And then we also built a silly $100,000 computer for playing Minecraft. We water-cooled a bed. I basically did a YouTuber video where I talked about, you know, what's going on in my personal life, my job role change. Like, we are all over the map. Reviews of a couple GPUs. So the way that I see it, it's going to be much, much harder to attract a loyal audience to a channel

and therefore build a loyal audience for a channel unless you're focused. And the way that I see it, if you have a power supply focused channel, you're going to get two different viewers for that. You're going to get people who really want to stay up on what's going on in power supplies. And then you're going to get people who haven't cared about a power supply in six years, but they're building a new computer and they're going, sorry, 16 pin what? I don't care.

Just tell me a good one, right? So you're going to get a lot of those. Our goal, our goal for a power supply specific channel will be, and you guys can quote me on this, to have a video for every power supply. Like every new one that comes out? Well, we're going to have to work on some work are you including server ones some bat catalog too no okay no like atx atx money money and doing server ones there could but i mean almost nobody builds a server anymore ah yeah fair enough it's almost exclusively

bare bones and i could i could see us having a more enterprise IT sort of focused channel at some point. Maybe not that. Where we would look at bare bones servers and look at these platforms as a whole. But that would be something that would come later. And it would be more along the lines of how we would test something like laptops. Laptops. Oh, man. Laptops are deep to cover a laptop properly you have to have your

methodologies down for everything battery testing screen testing keyboard testing uh processor testing oh don't forget that you're gonna have to account for different environmental factors don't forget that you need to test it in different power profiles, depending on whether it's plugged in or unplugged. Laptops are going to take some time. Oh yeah, right. And don't forget that per model, per chassis, they're available in, I don't know, about 25 different configurations. Do you remember when I optimistically bought one of every config of the M1 MacBook thinking, okay, we're going to get our laptop methodology down and we're going to be the outlet that

actually can tell you exactly which configuration to buy. Bang for the buck. And then they basically all got deployed to people who wanted MacBooks internally and scattered to the high winds. Yeah, that was a good investment. people who wanted macbooks internally and scattered to the high winds yeah that was a good investment anywho the idea is that eventually we're going to get there and then all the ones that we don't need anymore we'll just divest ourselves of by flipping them at ltt store not com or on ebay or whatever we'll figure all that out um it's time for us to jump into our next topic here apparently dan is not going to let

me talk about haters anymore do you want can we talk about this this sony thing yeah sony ps5 announcements at the their playstation showcase sony announced their new handheld uh projected to come out later this year called project q the handheld allows remote play of PS5 games via Wi-Fi at up to 1080p and 60fps. It has an 8-inch LCD screen. We have no idea how much it will cost. And it's unclear whether it will do anything else other than stream PS5 games or whether it will be able to use cellular networks. Considering they specified Wi-Fi, I kind of doubt it, but we'll see.

Yeah, that's one of those things where the answer is no. Yeah. Also, lossless wireless earbuds. Okay. The PlayStation Showcase also highlighted a number of upcoming games. Sony announced slash showed off several standard PS5 games, the only notable exclusive being Spider-Man 2. Okay.

Some notable non-exclusivesives a remake of metal metal gear 3 a reboot of bungees marathon series That's I know right Sony. I mean bungee just makes my brain hurt. Yeah, but it's not exclusive Which is also the whole thing is just like it's weird, but maybe really cool I haven't been able to look into any of that yet because I had a very busy week. But I'm pretty interested in the idea of them rebooting Marathon. We'll see. Alan Wake 2, a Splatoon-alike called Foam Stars. And the one Riley is most excited about, the Talos Principle 2.

I think quite a few people are going to be excited about that. It's a PvP extraction shooter. Oh. Too I think quite a few people are gonna be excited about that. It's a PvP extraction shooter. Oh I think you've got his attention. Oh my bungee making a PvP extraction shooter is extremely exciting Like the division Kate that part makes it a lot worse. Okay. Hopefully it's not like the division at all Division was terrible in my opinion, but I'm sure someone liked it. Okay. I want to talk about this wireless console thing is it just me or Like very little use for this Why don't you just play on your TV? Yeah, I don't know how to feel about this

Okay, so first of all here, let's flip over to my laptop. This is apparently what it's going to look like. I think it looks cool. Yeah, it looks really cool. It actually looks like it's probably comfortable to hold and stuff, too. Okay, here's my problem. I don't know how to feel about this, because I've been kind of all over the place. Yeah. I loved the NVIDIA Shield.

Yes. And yes, Android games did exist that could be played with a controller, but at the time, they were way less common. So it was fundamentally only a device for streaming your gaming PC to a handheld form factor. And I was crazy in love with that thing. It was how I played games when i had infant children because you basically had the kid kind of in the thing in your arms and you could play video games

there was no way you considered a computer so that was it that was how i could play video games loved that and then you know i was less bullish on the steam link which is basically the same idea except that it allows you to play your gaming PC games on your TV with a Steam controller or some other controller or whatever else. And then I'm trying to think of kind of what came next here. I never really used the NVIDIA Shield console for that function. It just didn't really appeal to me. And then when Logitech, okay, when Logitech announced the g cloud i was looking at it going

well this is just kind of stupid because you could get a steam deck for like a hundred dollars more that actually has a full computer in it but then i reviewed the g cloud and even though i was a certified hater of the thing i actually really liked it I can really liked it I've got nothing against the concept of this I'm a little bit concerned about what I expect the price might be then there's the Wii U did you ever use the wireless controller pad function of the Wii U did you ever even look at that screen yeah really I am I am a rare Pikachu Wii U enjoyer I really really liked the Wii U. I actually genuinely very much liked the Wii U.

We found one. I even loved Okay, so the Super Mario Bros whatever it was that came out for the Wii U. New Super Mario Bros Wii U. It had a four player co-op feature. Yes it did. With a fifth person

that used that main controller, had their own screen, and you could put down like emergency platforms for your teammates. You could also troll them by while they're like mid-jump, put a platform right in front of them and they smack into it and fall down.

You could like try to fight your own team from actually completing the level and all this kind of stuff. Extremely fun. That's fair. Very fun. That's fair. Very unique experience too. That's stuff. Extremely fun. That's fair. Very fun. That's fair. Very unique experience too.

That's fair. And very fun. I played a bunch of different games on the Wii U. They're all really good. I am deeply convinced that the only reason why the Wii U didn't do well was because no one knew that A, it existed, or B, what the hell it even was.

My group of relatively techie friends, when I first bought it, I invited them all over because I wanted to play the five-person Super Mario Bros. thing. Or, yeah, Super Mario Bros., yeah. All of them, literally all of them,

thought that I bought some expansion for my Wii. None of them knew that it was a dedicated console. Swedish made? What did I say? Did I say something wrong? No, no, you just, an expansion for your Wii? I'm asking if console. Swedish made? What did I say? Did I say something wrong? No, no, you just, an expansion for your Wii? I'm asking if it's Swedish made.

But yeah, I don't know. I really enjoyed the Wii U. And that controller, one, is very- That sort of thing is his bag, baby. That controller was actually very comfortable. That true yeah yep it's true like more comfortable than the switches by a lot in my opinion okay um i do want to keep talking about this paradigm though because i had another opportunity to look at a device that's basically this and I have to confess I kind of blew them off because I just didn't really care

uh yeah you always expect it to suck and then it's actually okay well no it's not that because I was so jazzed on the shield right so here hold on a second I'm just gonna jump back over to my laptop for a second here uh this is from Peakdo, of all people. Remember these guys. They had this low-latency HDMI streaming thing. So it's millimeter wave, which is a problem because that means the range is going to be pretty foobar. But 1080p, 60p, so 60 hertz. And the pitched sort of use case for this thing

was actually streaming your PlayStation 5 to it, compatible with PC, PlayStation, Xbox, Windows, Switch, etc., 2.5 milliseconds delay up to 30 meters or whatever, and 3-hour battery life. And I kind of looked at this and I went, that seems really niche what and sony just laid down a big fat i think you're wrong linus yeah because they are releasing a first party accessory that's just this if this thing could work over cell networks it would be sick it doesn't it

I know it doesn't you don't want see people keep asking for this you don't want to game over a cellular network yeah fair enough yeah and okay I know games would be I know I hear you. I can actually hear your keys heating up as you furiously type a message about how much you love using Moonlight over a cell network or whatever. Steam Link. I know.

There are certain types of games. You want to play like a puzzle game or something. Civ. No problem, by all means. Play over a cellular network. But wherever you live, A, your cell network must be a lot better than mine. So maybe you're in like Tokyo or you're in like Seoul or something like that. Sure.

Fine. A, your cell network is a lot better than mine. B, you must have a really great data plan. Both of those things are true in a lot of places in the world. People run their house internets off-cell. Absolutely. However, even under those ideal conditions, there are certain genres of games that are just not going to be fun

with the additional latency. And I wouldn't compromise on that. I just wouldn't. I love what Sony's doing right now, though. PSVR 2 is awesome. Yeah. This, I don't know if it's awesome. It looks cool.

But it's cool. Yeah. It's different. Yeah. It's not just... I am 100% certain, while it's not necessarily for me, that some people will love this thing.

Like, Microsoft, how hard have they lost this generation of gaming at this point you you could play playstation games in the bath yeah i could that's pretty sweet i won't but i could but it's because not necessarily 100 for you but like someone could fit that use case that's pretty cool i i do i do wonder and conrad's echoing this in the in the chat uh how much is it going to cost them not announcing a price is like a little sus it is it is a it is a wee wee bit sus i think it's not i think it's not going to be cheap i mean here here you know what i i can get you pricing for that peak dough thing because realistically it's the same same hardware um you know what i don't know if i ever got a final price

because i think it was a kickstarter or something right that was one of the other reasons that we didn't cover it i don't i don't like covering kickstarters speaking of which we should talk about that sponsor spot fail this week on tech quickie i'll we'll address that a little bit later don't let me forget um no i don't have i don't have a price for this thing so if i had to guess i'd say it'll probably be similar to the g cloud so in the 250 250 us to 299 i think this is going to be a very expensive accessory but again i do think some people will eat that but that's something that sony has demonstrated that they're totally willing to do. I mean, the PlayStation VR 2 is an accessory

that costs as much as the bloody console. Yeah. Like, okay. That's not cheap by any means at all. But, like, it's not $700. It's not dedicated handheld yeah you're not you're not buying a you're not you're not buying an accessory you're buying a completely different experience yeah and yeah that's something that sony has done a really good job of here is creating different

experiences and it's not going to have quite the mobility of the switch but man I gotta gotta take a moment and just appreciate how crap the switch is these days I own a switch OLED a top-of-the-line it's old now switch if you will and I own tears of the kingdom You guys saw my copy that I bought on the short circuit. And I am currently in the process of getting my Yuzu all set up for the trip that Luke and I are going on so that I can start Tears of the Kingdom on a platform that doesn't suck. Yeah. The Switch is over six years old.

Yeah, and it was garbage when it came out. That's the worst part. By the way, Jake from the lab is talking in the floatplane chat about what I said about cellular networks and game streaming. And he's like, yeah, the problem is not how many gigabits per second or whatever you can get in a speed test. The problem is that this is real-time data and latency matters. And so if anything arrives even ever so slightly out of order it's going to be garbled and that's something you simply can't control on a cellular network it's extremely challenging um and yeah yeah people are talking about like

what ping time i get or how many megabits i get that that is not the point it's just a very very even though it feels the same to us. It's the same thing with frame times. Yeah I click link and page load. It feels the same to us. But it's a really different technology. Yep yep yep. Alright it's time for us to explain.

Merch messages. If you want to send a message into the show. The way to do it is with the merch message. Hey look. G just scored an insulated water bottle, 64 ounce at LTTstore.com. When you're in the checkout, you can send, when you're in the cart, you can send a merch message and our producer Dan will try to respond to it. It's going to be a bit of a shorter show today because Luke and I have to catch a flight. We'll talk about that in a little bit.

And so our producer Dan might respond to it. He might just put it up on the bottom. And if there's no replies, who knows? Maybe chat can help reply to your merch message. We might need some help from you guys today. Or Dan is going to curate some of them for me and Luke to address later on during WAN Show After Dark. Since we're talking about what's going on on the store, why don't we tell you guys about a couple of new items? I don't see them in the thing here.

Yes, I do see them in the thing here. We just launched our premium joggers. Who is this with that drip? It's got to be like Belamons or something oh no whoever it is sammy they've got the swag stance going on definitely got the swag stance um these are super nice by the way got them in two different colors i might actually have to check these out black and olive man love this great pose i do want some some joggers sammy there there's sammy he gets the poses man yeah colton he tries colton doesn't we've got contrast going on solid solid effort

dance uh yeah fantastic yeah these are these are super nice oh look at this what a nice write-up you know how we've talked about how we like don't do a good enough job sometimes let's go made of a hundred percent recycled polyester sick very cool uh we also launched one other product this week that you guys are going to want to check out i wouldn't necessarily wear these two together but uh you know hey you can definitely get them both very different feel but we've had a lot of people ask us for stuff that they can wear to work that still matches the comfort that they know and love from our other products but that is workplace workplace ready colton really i swear i've seen him do exactly that i don't know why

yeah but like i've seen him do that why does colton do anything he does i don't know anyway it's available in green and charcoal melange super comfy and okay who wrote these? This shirt is softer than a freshly pixelated kitten's fur. What? Pixelated kittens. What does that even mean? I have no idea, but it is comfy. It's interesting. It probably would get people to keep reading, so maybe it's good.

The joggers are available in two colors and two lengths, And the polo shirt is available in two different colors. Oh, now seems like as good a time as any to talk about LTT is hiring. Ah, yes. Wait, I'm supposed to show the jobs page. And I am also... I'll do the reading. You'll do the reading. Okay, I'll show the jobs page.

Bullet point one, writer slash video producer, colon. Really, Luke? We're specifically looking for someone to help make the kind of videos Alex makes, i.e. we're looking for laptop expertise and or maker skills. Engineering background with expertise in SolidWorks, has to be SolidWorks specifically, would be a really nice bonus as well. Also, we're looking for a data visualization specialist for the labs, basically make our graphs better. This person should have great data presentation expertise, some ability as a graphic artist, and some ability as a data analyst.

Mr. Gary Key has written a message to our potential hires as well. Oh, for everyone to enjoy enjoy it's down on the bottom of what? do you want to just read it at this point? I was looking at the wrong screen if you be leave you're at whoa this will be your boss

if you can read it yeah got the job This will be your boss. A station specialist. What an eye for... Huh? If you can read it. Yeah, got the job. Ah. Then we want you for the labs. Okay. With an eye for details.

I got there. The an eye for details took me a second. How are we hiring so many things right now? What is a project manager float plane luke huh what's a project manager what is this it's a project projector man and manager okay thanks gary key yeah no worries okay we're closing the back end one i finished writing that contract today accounting just needs to sign it off we're closing that position let's go um the project manager one is probably going to go away as well oh um and but not because i found someone just

because it's not really working you give up yeah uh well hey i there's time i guess there is going to be probably we're looking through current applicants uh but if the that doesn't work out um we might be making another posting for a front-end position for floatplane as well all right yeah how are we still okay we need to take a little break at some mine are pre-budgeted and haven't budgeted for a while i know i know mine are good leave mine alone i know i need mine Why don't we do a couple of merge messages? Dan, hit us. Sure thing. Hello, LND.

With the end, or near the end of Moore's Law, how do you expect to see continued generational performance improvement as the transistors can no longer shrink? You know, I just... um you know i just i i it seems impossible but they keep doing it yeah they keep finding some lever to turn some wheel to crank yeah ipc improvements uh yeah like there's there's things that 3d stacking oh yeah looks like it is going to be huge.

Chiplets look like they are going to be huge. We might find other ways to expand the amount that you're using, not necessarily the amount we can fit in a certain area. Like, okay, technology like in Intel's Foveros chip where they've got... I forget. It's like three or four different manufacturing processes and all these buses that are communicating with each other on this like giant package um stuff like stuff like that is gonna make its way to consumer technology or to consumer

electronics at some point and could be a game changer i mean the way that the way that the way that ai is changing the game too is massive i think that we are super mad about nvidia giving us underpowered gaming chips at a price that isn't palatable right now but when we look back so 10 years from now when we're playing photorealistic games at you know 300 frames per second or whatever on chips that fundamentally haven't changed nearly as much as the 10 years prior we're going to be looking at it going wow they were way ahead and that was early teething pain for what was ultimately going to be the future. I mean, just looking at the way that, man, I was looking at this new Photoshop feature where you basically just give it an image and then just tell it like, oh yeah, I want a lake

in the middle and I want a car and I want a cloud that's shaped like the car. You saw the same article I did. Yeah. I was, I meant to send it to our thumbnail designer, but I forgot. Yeah. Um, I'm sure there already. So Photoshop just has generative AI built in. And if we're doing that in Photoshop now, then give it a little bit more time and we'll be doing that in real time in games. You know, you'll be able to mod a game by simply typing in a prompt. Okay, I want to play Super Mario World, but all of the Koopas are... Man, procedurally generated games are going to be a whole new... Are little faces with mustaches.

Ball of wax. Like, that's insane. I don't think I've even thought about that before. Yeah. Procedurally generated games don't even have to pre-make the assets. Yeah. It's just like, I want to play Half-Life 2, but all the opponents are donkeys. And

you know what? It's not going to be perfect, but it's going to get pretty good. You can hugely simplify the modding scene for certain things. You know when they made all the dragons in Skyrim into Thomas the Tank Engine or whatever? I didn't see that, but I love it. That's my favorite.

It's a fantastic mod. They even, like, when they fly in, you normally hear the dragon roar. They have a train horn. It's very good. It's very good. It's very good. But you could do stuff like that using this instead. Oh, did you find it? Do you want sound?

No, no, I don't think sound will be necessary entirely. So it's going to land on top of the tower that you're looking at right now. Spoilers. Oh, come on, it's Skyrim. Yeah. You see it flying around in the background? It's going to slam down.

There's people who would be arachnophobic or whatever, so they would replace all the spiders in the game with like teddy bears or whatever else too. Right. Yeah. So yeah, that sort of thing is only going to get easier. Oh, so good.

Which is great. Yeah. Oh man. You know what would be really interesting? Oh man. I wonder if we'll get to the point. You know how we've been waiting for, or I have, whatever, for Skyblivion and Morblivion? Yeah.

Or Skywind, sorry. There we go. Which are, it's Morrowind and Oblivion rebuilt in Skyrim's engine with really high resolution textures and all this other kind of stuff. Because you can do some pretty cool things in Skyrim's engine, even though it's pretty old. I think we're gonna get to a certain point eventually where because of, because like, yeah, it's gonna have some issues doing this kind of stuff

out of nowhere, creativity problems, all that kind of stuff. It pulls from something, whatever. But you might be able to go like, okay, here's a game. Here's all the information I have, the local files all that kind of stuff I want you to recreate this using UE 5 or whatever I want you to recreate this using this other thing oh, I see what you mean because it's pretty good at like translating Yeah, right even stuff like RTX remix. You know okay? a just AI replace all the light sources with real point light sources.

Yeah. And then you'll have to go in and tweak it. You'll still have to be a graphic designer or a game designer or whatever else. It'll still take work. But man. Yeah. It's like the generative AI in Photoshop, right? It's not replacing artists.

Yeah, we still need an artist to do that. I mean, all the same people who do all the same stuff. It just make their job easier Well more realistically it makes it so they have to do more of it But yeah, because that's what working here is like There's always gonna be stuff to do that is never a concern I mean, that's what that's what work is like Luke. Yeah. I don't make the freaking, I was reading an article. They surveyed a bunch of- I wasn't saying that in a bad way, to be clear.

They surveyed a bunch of Gen Z and millennial people who have sort of pioneered this concept of, it's called lying flat in China or quiet quitting in North America, of their top priorities being, you know, work-life balance as opposed to all these other things. And then when they continue asking them questions, they're like, okay, right, but is that a thing? And they're like, no. No, actually, I have a second job hustling because...

You get bored. Well, no, no, it's just inflation's out of control like it's it's not actually feasible yeah yeah like you have to you have to you have to bust your butt and so it's this sort of aspirational thing i i don't know it's uh it's a it's a big it's a big challenge it's one of those things things where I feel like we do, I think, a pretty good job of trying to make it so that people don't have to work outside their 40 hours. It's tough right now.

By and large, the way the world's going right now, it's not like that. It has shifted from an employee's market right now it's it's not like that um it's it has shifted from uh from a from an employee's market to an employer's market like looking at what's going on with the big tech firms and the way that they're bringing everyone back to office cutting perks laying off literally thousands sometimes tens of thousands of staff I watched a video recently of a certain excessively rich person, and it was like... How much is a banana? No, something else.

That one was really funny. That was really funny. Very funny. But no, they were like, okay, if we take this person's net wealth in single American dollar bills, so like one U.S. dollar, because I know a lot of other countries don't have that, so I'm making sure you know, and we stacked it horizontally and try to wrap around the world

Yeah, how many how far do we get you single US dollar bills like like the width almost? Yeah, pressed against each other right you almost make it the whole way around the world Wow. It's just like Does this make any sense like I don't know anyways sorry we'll get back on the tech topics oh No, I think we're supposed to actually do a couple more merch messages Yeah, give us a merch message anyway, yeah come on This one's from Jordan. What's the longest you have ever worked in one shift? Oh? I mean there was I knew that would get a giggle from luke peanut butter crackers 700 series launch 700 series launch i'm pretty sure i was awake for like four days

see i don't know i've done some pretty i've done some pretty dumb stuff too it depends on how we define work like we didn't used to classify sitting on a plane as work, but we apparently do now. Yeah. It's, it's, it's complicated. Yeah. Yeah.

It's, it's complicated. But I remember when David and I, and someone from the business team came with us, I can't remember, but we went to and from Germany in like 30 hours, like doorstep to doorstep. So that wasn't technically

one shift, but good gravy. Was that ever intense? Because that's like an 11 hour flight or something like that or like 9 hour flight. I can't remember exactly how long it is. We shot a video on the other side. Like we worked and then we were back. Those touch and go trips can be pretty exhausting yeah yeah

yeah i think that trip to germany was probably my worst the worst recently was what we went through with the uh the channel hijacking though i It hasn't been that bad in a while. We try. We actually try. People are constantly, why do you have so many people on staff? Because we're trying. Because we are actually trying. It's not always easy.

I enjoyed that one. See, I'm broken. And this is my problem. Because you're talking about how that's a victory. But for me, those are all like my favorite memories. Yeah. But then I have to remember that that's not normal. That's not realistic. Or that.

Yeah. Because I will break. So I have to like, but I enjoy those. So I kind of like it when it happens sometimes. Yeah. But I don't like it probably shouldn't happen too often or i'll i'm old now i can't do that all the time but i do like you're old i'm getting there i'm getting there i'm starting to feel it the recovery time from things is getting long oh yeah oh yeah it doesn't get

better that's the main thing that i'm noticing i'm not a lot else is really that you know but if i if i go too far it's like okay i need to rest i'll be like i'll be good in like a day and then it's like a week passes and i'm like i'm still feeling it yep yep yeah it's not it's not gonna get better from here on out i'll tell you that much yep 30s rough 35s worse nice i uh i had my my badminton training session last night, my Thursday night session. I didn't message you this because Luke was messaging me the week prior, I think, telling me how much water he drank at one of his things. So in two hours and 20 minutes, I drank two and a half of these.

That is 100 ounces of water. And let me put it this way. I didn't go pee. I am f***ing annihilated right now. Like, I am so sore and so tired. I don't know what he was trying to do to me. I told him. I was like, David, I'm going to Taiwan to play badminton every day and cover a trade show.

Why are we doing all smash practice today? We've been planning this video for a long time and things just keep coming up. But we will do it. We're going to go to the gym. And I at no point in time have actually known what the point was or what we're actually supposed to do. point in time have actually known what the like point was or what we're like actually supposed to do so i've had i've just in my head i've had these various ideas for like a while just different like ah maybe we'll do this maybe we'll do that and then eventually i was like you know i was hoping this was going to be a recurring thing and it's not going to be so i'm just going to like hurt

him what i'm just just gonna make it so hard that like he's just gonna wake up the next day and not be able to move. And then I was like, I like enjoyed this idea. And then I was like, no, I can't. Cause like we're too old now. If we were back when we first started doing this,

that would have probably been fine. Yeah. If this was 10 years ago, we probably would have both been fine. But now if I do that, it's like actually gonna be a problem and you'd probably make me do it with you. So we'd both just be wrecked for like ever. Okay, well, I can't do that.

So back to the drawing board. It's like, oh man, all right. All right, why don't we jump into our next topic here? Why don't we jump into our next topic here? No one wants to buy the RTX 4060 Ti in spite of my best efforts after taking a back alley deal from NVIDIA to promote their new GPU. Slash S. NVIDIA's new RTX 4060 Ti has been met with low consumer interest. Many retailers only ordered a few cards per store,

and in some areas, especially Europe, they're already offering the cards for $10 to $25 below the recommended retail price. And this is probably because in Europe, the recommended retail prices are particularly brutal because NVIDIA apparently doesn't attend the XE.com school of how currency conversion works. At the same time, though, NVIDIA's market valuation increased by 30%.

30% their stock went up in the last two days or something like that due to high demand for LLM chips. So large language model chips, like machine learning chips. Nvidia don't give a f*** about gamers anymore. It's so annoying because like they had crypto stuff

and then that sort of died. And we were like, yeah, come back to us. Come crawling back, baby. And they're back for like, what, not even a year? And then they're like, ooh, new wave to ride let's go like oh come on oh well anyway amd of course dropped prices on the 7600 xt down to $269, only 36 hours before launch. Okay, I'd actually like to talk about that. We had a whole shtick for that video where the intro was going to be,

AMD, I'd be happy to help you learn how to benchmark GPUs so that you can price your cards appropriately. And we actually left in part of it. And then we kind of went record scratch. AMD changed the price of the card. If all, I don't want us to get too good guy AMD about them bringing this card out at a price that is somewhat reasonable.

Because it's somewhat reasonable. Because, yeah, A, it's only somewhat reasonable yeah it's in line with the rest of their lineup which they did you know get aggressive on a little bit but that's only to you know deal with the fact that gpu demand is apparently like at a historic low right now or something like that like this is not out of the goodness of their hearts and b they only did it at the last second like very last second changing the price of a gpu a day and a half before it's its public launch is a colossal undertaking because they have to basically redo all the contracts that they have with their board partners right they have to they have to go and do like a whole bunch of paperwork and i mean i

imagine the account accounting department would absolutely hate this right um and i want us to not lose track of the fact that if they were able to price it at $269.36 hours from launch, they could have priced it at $269.36 days from launch. There is nothing about the cost of this card that necessitated the $299 price that they originally announced to the press. Nothing. Clearly. press nothing clearly and it was only due to some kind of probably intense pressure that they would have made a last minute change like this

so i'm i'm annoyed i find it extremely disrespectful they're like these good guy by association because the other guy's worse. Yeah, well, it's more just like they could have just done this. They could have been pro-consumer. They could have cared about consumer value in the first place, and they could have had it at a good price, but they didn't. There's clearly a lot of internal forces at amd that wanted this card to be priced as high as the market could possibly bear and it was only at the last second that they ultimately

made the decision to back down and it's extremely disrespectful to everyone else who's involved in the launch of a product like this including media partners and i know there's going to be the people out there whose takes, you know what, yeah, maybe I will just start shadow banning because they're phenomenally stupid, but whose takes on this are going to be, oh, wow, complaining about free GPUs. Do you think I need a 7600 XT?

Do you think that meaningfully changes my life? XT, do you think that meaningfully changes my life? Our job is to make these reviews so that people know what to buy. That's the whole point. And then the way that that symbiotic relationship works with the manufacturers is if they make a good product, then as long as we are independent and trusted, that will dramatically improve their sales. And the second we're not independent and trusted, it will have no impact whatsoever. So it's in their interest to support an independent media, right? And so when they don't give us the tools to do our jobs properly, well, it's disrespectful

to us. And it's also disrespectful to you guys. There was a not insignificant probability that if any outlet had a family emergency or something like that, they wouldn't be able to get the proper message out to their viewers. Now, the good news is that for any written outlet, a price change is theoretically pretty easy to adjust. Theoretically, pretty easy to adjust. You just kind of go, oh, okay, Control-H, $299, $269, replace. But because it so dramatically changed the value proposition of this card, which is a value tier card, I wouldn't say budget,

but definitely it's about the value. You're not buying a 7600 XT because you're going for the utmost in performance you want bang for the buck right and it it changed it changed the angle of the video a lot and for video that's even harder to adjust because you need to change the script then you need to reshoot it we actually had to fully reshoot that video the only reason that we reused some of our original shoot was because i just kind of thought it was funny to have my outfit changed sporadically throughout throughout the video um yeah yeah okay oh okay this is great uh in our in our notes here it says communication of the drop was scattered and some reviews did actually go up based on the original price, which is

not a proper service to you, the viewer. AMD's board partners seem to have stuck with the $270 price, with the exception of the ROG Strix OC Edition at $340. And then Best Buy has made the interesting choice to price

multiple models of the 7600 at $380, and that's probably because they haven't actually gotten written signed confirmation of any kind of rebates that they might be getting on these cards that they probably got allocation of completely sight unseen, not knowing what the pricing was. Or they got the original pricing only for it to change later. Intel apparently, though, took the opportunity to slash the a750 to 199 that's actually um a pretty interesting price av1 encoding solid 1080p performance and with being able to stream like there's a very strong argument at that price for streamers grabbing that just as their their streaming card yeah 200 bucks man that's a lot of hardware for 200 bucks meanwhile meanwhile nvidia wants a hundred

dollars for just eight gigs of the ram on that card and if it doesn't sell man i just don't think they're gonna give any fs they're so busy the LLM cards whatever they're so busy selling every wafer they can book at TSMC right now yeah like AI startups just don't book more time yeah who cares yeah whatever just shift production to sit to Tesla's or whatever yeah or a a whatever they call it these days I think thela branding is gone but was it a4000 is that right uh no i think it's something else i think it's a6000 or something like that i i can't i can't remember anymore because it seems like they have intentionally made their product stack just completely unintuitive yeah why did they take away the quadro name it was so good yeah and then they had like two different generations of workstation card

that have the same model. The only thing that they did that I didn't like was they would have like weird like Best Buy exclusive generations and then skip over them for everybody else. That was the only thing. Basically all the rest of it was fine. Just leave it alone. Oh, now NVIDIA's naming is a nightmare.

Yeah, now it's a mess. So is AMD's for that matter. I have gained a renewed interest in AMD's cards because they're just a killer value right now from about $180 up to realistically like $450, $500. And so as part of that scrapyard GPU war thing where I was trying to get the best bang for the buck GPU for around the price of a 4060Ti at retail. I ended up doing a bunch of research into AMD cards that I hadn't really paid much attention to. Their product stack is a mess.

They have a 6600, a 6600 XT, and then they have a 6650 XT, but then in the 7000 generation, they're not doing 50s, they 6650 XT, but then in the 7000 generation, they're not doing 50s. They're doing XTX for the more better one. And I'm just, I'm looking at this going,

what the hell is going on? Sometimes you have an XT, sometimes you have a 50, sometimes the XT is a huge jump. Sometimes the 50 is a big jump, but they're both XTs. I cannot wait for the lab to just have a database where I can just go, okay, get that game at that resolution and just show me all of them.

Please. Lab, I'm so ready. I haven't told them yet, but one of the things that I would like for us to do, nevermind GPU reviews, one of the things that I would like for them to do is have enough test benches that we can run in parallel and we can basically like once a year, maybe twice a year,

if we can make it automated enough, we just throw every card back on run it with the latest drivers and just have this database be up to date so you can just compare functionally anything with a pcie slot i have i have vaguely mentioned this and i saw hearts shatter um but i'm sure we'll get there eventually i think it'll i just think it'll take a long time they just need more test benches i mean if it if it gets as simple as we can use machine vision to set up the infrastructure behind all that is going to be like pretty intense yeah but that sounds like videos to me like i said it's very i i believe we can get there, but I don't expect it soon.

That's all I'm saying. They got a lot of stuff going on. There's a lot of moving parts in their lab. Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited, man. It's going to be awesome. I had someone ask in floatplane chat today if we would make content about cards

like pretty deep into their life cycle talking about their performance on new drivers i don't think that that's something that you're gonna see very often i don't think the content on ltt but i think that's something where the lab could end up digging up you know cool outliers like man how how would we train it to look for you know weird anomalies like you know hey flag it for us if this card has increased in performance by more than 20 if we've tested it in the past yeah that would help a lot because then if a test is like way outside of expected change then we would know yeah i guess so and we're gonna have to have like weekly meetings with the lab that kind of like okay what have you

tested what what's interesting um i had a meeting with james today about sort of what our what our channel strategy is going to look like going forward and it it's, it's, it's kind of like, um, content kind of rolls down a hill sort of thing. So LTT started out as simple, basic, like reading the packaging unboxings essentially. And then it turned into more like testing and reviews, and then it turned into bigger projects and became very personality driven. And now it's sort of reached. It's like a show. Yeah, I would say it's reached kind of an end game as far as that goes. And then we identified that there was this content gap that we were no longer filling.

And we went, oh, okay, how about ShortCircuit then? ShortCircuit will now do the simple, easy, cheapo unbox. Okay, no, we're going to start adding data to ShortCircuit. Let's make that more like a review. Okay, but then what about these simple unboxings? Well, you know what? We're going to have data for those too, and then we're going to do these category-specific channels.

I think you guys might be disappointed when you see the production values of these individual verticals. Oh, yeah, if we're making a video on every single power supply that ever exists it might just be hands unboxing some very basic b-roll we might have to find a way to essentially cut these with ai and then have an editor go in and fix there are ai video editing tools like it might be pretty basic but if our if our goal is to you know have a video that could belong on every single product page on new egg or something like that in the longer term here realistically how how much um how much more is there going to be for us to say about the 13 500 or the 13 400 core i5

i man i'm gonna be really interested to see what we'll be able to do with a labs data sheet a large language model and a writer to kind of go in and clean it up it's gonna need that yeah um where we basically just go okay feed the llm all the performance data and specs of this product and everything within 50 of it on either side and uh you know the top tier from that generation what would it spit out would it say compared to amds whatever it's like this and that's still 30 percent worse than the best intel has to offer but it like if we if we gave it enough samples like if we wrote them manually to start and then fed that to it would it be able to to generate anything usable i don't even know what could be kind of interesting is eventually if we have like site analytic like user how people use the labs

website analytics that are good we could use that to fuel content direction like if we start noticing a ton of people start comparing some certain cards or whatever we could be like maybe content time that's pretty cool i do stuff like that okay i'm liking that not yet not yet it's gonna take time yeah that's fine we've got time we've got money speaking of which lttstore.com and speaking of which our sponsors thanks to cuddly for sponsoring today's show fact Fact. Animals are cute. Unfortunate fact. There are millions of animals in less than desirable situations that need support. Cuddly helps give animals a healthy life and a loving home by providing tools and resources to support animal welfare organizations around the world. All partners featured on Cuddly are not-for-profit or municipal agencies and have

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I'm happy that Dennis' bots are back. Hey, Dan. We don't know what to do. Tell us what to do. Tell us what to do. Three merch messages. Okay, well then why didn't you just read a merch message? Yeah.

Dan. Yeah. It's going to be less effective trying to yell at it when we're in Taiwan yeah that's true oh yeah we're gonna next week is gonna be the Taiwan show oh why didn't I think of that oh

yeah okay fine we'll do some merch messages if you insist okay another Dan has a question for the talent We'll do some merch messages if you insist Okay Another Dan has a question for the talent LTX is coming soon and with the whale land. I would like to hear your tips for traveling with land gear. Oh Man, I mean you out. Yeah takes GP out never never put your tower down below if you can avoid it It's a strong argument for yeah like in the luggage check like if you can if you can small form factor it and bring your computer with you

man i would try flying but at the very to pack your pc here hold on a second how to not smash your pc gaming rig packing and moving guide this was this must have been more than three years ago hold on just a gosh darn second here what's the exact date on this yeah july 1st 2019 this was in the lead up to ltx the last time we did it look at this hair um and the whole idea was that we were going to be doing a big LAN and we wanted people's computers to make it safely so we show you guys all these ways that you can pack up your computer safely oh yeah this stuff is really good yeah yeah yeah yeah so that's that's a whole video that only got a million views But hey, I think we just got a nice little bump from the 500 people who are coming to Whale Land. Yay

Small bump. Yes. All right DLL with how much you guys work when show lasting four to five hours. how do you manage a good work slash family balance um well i'm supposed to be home already so that i can spend a bit of time with my wife um before i go to the airport what time's our flight 2 a.m 2 a.m so i fly out in six hours takes quite a while to get there um it's been a challenge yep uh but but i schedule time for family uh so every every week i um i go to my daughter's martial arts class with them so i help help participate in the class. Um, also I do badminton training with my kids. Like I I'll play with them. Um, you know, whether it's like family game night or board games or movie night or whatever else, you know, we make sure that we do those things at least a couple of times a week when swimming on the weekend, like you just have to schedule it.

I think is, is the typical response you'll hear from busy people. Get it on the schedule. And the funny thing about it is that like my parents were super busy, but I didn't really think about it until I became a parent. Like you remember like, oh, yeah, we would go to, you know, Playland or we would do this or we would do that. And you think back and you go, yeah, we did that like four times. The kids' memories are funny. And I think my kids think I spend a lot of time with them actually so it's it's good you know bedtime stories making sure that you kind of catch them at least once a day

and and do something with them i think is really important my life is a lot easier don't have kids i do i am hoping to have some amount of time at home though, because my birds have been away all week. Have I told you this at all? No. Okay. So when I was in Houston doing one of the coolest things I've ever done in my darn life, we boarded the birds at the vet. It's pretty common for people to board their birds at vets when they go away. Is it common for the vet to not bother taking care of their birds at all? Yeah. So there's a continuation of that story. Oh.

They have mites. Your birds have mites? That they got. Are you sure? At the vet. Okay, I shouldn't joke. I'm too pissed to find it funny. It was pretty good,

but I'm very angry right now, so it didn't work. Seriously? They have vet mites? Yeah. So we contacted the vet, So it didn't, it didn't. Seriously? They have vet mites. Yeah. So we contacted the vet and they were like, oh yeah. So we had our second infestation of mites ever in our like entire history. And they're, they're, they've been around for a very long time.

Yeah. This is like the worst ever and things are bad. Bring them back and we'll take care of them. Scoop, the blue and white one uh was anemic and birds are you know humans are like mostly water birds mostly air they have like no mass to them right so if it's anemic that's really bad real bad and they took such good care of your birds last time so so big concern uh and they're they're probably home right now, actually. So I'm hoping to see them for some amount of time before we leave.

Because I am a big, squeegee man that wants to see little tiny Borb before I go away for two weeks. You're a good bird, Dad. Yeah. I don't think I could be as attached to a bird as you seem to be to your birds. I don't have kids. Yeah, well to a bird as you seem to be to your birds i don't have

kids yeah well it's one of those things where oh boy this is oh this is going to be a hot day we should do the next merch message as a parent i often hear people you know like dog people talk about how much it's like kids oh no and i'm just like nope it's an animal yeah you feel that way because you don't have kids like i i thought i loved cats a lot and like now i'm like oh no it's just a cat okay i mean i like my cats and you can care about maybe love them a little but it's it's not the same emma and i actually have this conversation like often and i'm like no like they're cool i care about them a lot i will do a lot for them but you only have that much energy for your dog because yeah no it's just a dog i'm sorry yeah and like dogs are cool right super cool my birds are fantastic yep love

my cats but and we went through a lot okay here's the here's the fun part you'll know how much i liked doing this uh they sent us this huge pdf about like okay so you had mites um because now we had mites in our house right yeah and And we found them, my girlfriend found them, because they were crawling on the blanket. So it's not, they weren't, they're not just on the birds. They're not just in the cage. They are now in our house. So it's like, this is how you deal with things

now that you have mites in your house. And they're like, you will effectively never get rid of this infestation. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Some of the reasons why are, they'll get into like your couch and you can't get them out of your couch guess what my response was let's see how well minus can usually pin me pretty well but this one was interesting so we'll see to get rid of mites arson um because you can't get it out of certain things so like well yeah my computer chair is

right next to the cage they say they sit literally right here the couch is literally right on the other side of that the solution to this there's a carpet that was right beside them as well i mean no you have to just hauled it out immediately yep yeah no you did my couch my computer chair and my giant carpet. Thanks, vet. So you walk into my house and it echoes now. Right. Like I actually yeeted like half of the furniture that I own. And I'm going to leave on this trip and come back and have no computer chair.

Sick. I have like a dining room chair. Like I'll be fine. Sick. What a pain in the butt. Oh my God. I'm so annoyed anyways Ah good one okay, I get a I get a courtesy chuckle for that one This is great. I didn't tell you bro, bro

I I'm I think I think I'm gonna start implementing my shadow banning I got a got a twitch message loving areproduction of yourself is the height of hubris. That is actually not what a kid is. You're a f***ing idiot. Miniature Linus clones. Like, actually. Like, actually, your brain is bad. It's like, you can't have that bad of a take because your your brain couldn't

possibly get there from a place of being remotely functional without it actually Oh my god Next merch message? Is that how many more? Please move on We will not have enough You got ten minutes Yeah hit me again Eight Sleep

Should we talk about that? Yeah We gotta talk about it at some point Some viewers were upset That Eight Sleep Who sponsored a video last week Requires a mandatory subscription. I do want to put an asterisk on here because I've talked about 8sleep on the show a few times about how I've won and how I like it a lot.

I'm 99.9% sure it was not a mandatory subscription. No, we can talk about that. It is. No, but I bought mine back then. So it requires a mandatory subscription for at least a year to their premium features. And it's really expensive, just as a note. To their premium features with the purchase of their temperature-controlled mattress topper. The product's super basic feature, heating slash cooling, works without the subscription.

There's nothing forcing users to continue to buy it after the first year. forcing users to continue to buy it after the first year. At our request, 8sleep has agreed to double their discount offer from $150 to $300 to cover the cost of the subscription. And we've let them know that we won't be working with them moving forward unless they make changes to their subscription model and commit to an open source transition

should the company go out of business. Hopefully that helps address things with you guys. I gotta be honest with you. The reason that I didn't know this was a problem is because I'm using my eight sleep topper without a subscription, because I looked at the features of the subscription and what I wanted it for. And I went, eh, not really worth it. And it was optional back then. And I didn't realize that you had to buy the year of subscription honestly i think they could have just messaged this better if the price was just higher and it included the first year of subscription like that's exactly then i don't think anybody

would have the people would have said it was expensive but they wouldn't have called it evil or predatory or whatever else um so it is really expensive without with or without the subscription whatever it is very expensive yeah it's very expensive yeah but hey thanks eight sleep for dealing with it in terms of how the discount code works it's cool that they did that um and hopefully these guys will make a commitment to ensure that these things don't turn into you know just 35 pounds of just e-waste um if the company were to ever go out of business with that said given how much their subscription costs i think it'd be a real challenge for them to go out of business um but as expensive as it is, like, I like the product.

And a lot of people were posting misinformation too, though. They were saying that without the subscription, you can't use the app. That is not true. I don't believe that's correct. I do not have. It just doesn't do autopilot, which is the auto adjusting feature, right? I don't have a subscription. My phone is almost dead, so you can barely see my battery saver screen or whatever.

But this is my dashboard that's rough my temp dial my temp dial i get that almost every day as well definitely works uh oh oh my sleep attention score of 26 yeah well i mean what do you want from me i yeah i fine. Yeah, I don't sleep well. But anyway, yeah, my temp dial works, and it will adjust throughout the night, but it doesn't adjust based on my body temperature. So I just have to kind of dial it in to what I like. And the challenge there is that if you are not in a temperature-controlled space,

like my house has climate control, right? If you're not in a temperature-controlled space, then it could house has climate control, right? If you're not in a temperature controlled space, then it could be a lot more important to have the automatic thing, but then presumably you aren't paying for climate control. So I see why people were upset and that's why we've gone to them and said, okay, look, here's our list of demands.

But I also do see the value of the product. It's not. Oh, I've actually done pretty good lately. I've got you beat. 74. That's very good for me. Wow, good job, Luke. Thank you.

For the last five days, I have a sleep score of 26, 41, 80, 37, 44. And I have a full 100 from last sunday um yeah that's pretty good man i slept till like 11 30 though so that's yeah that explains that uh my kids let me sleep in that day what do you want to talk about next oh right we should also talk about that other sponsor snafu this week on tech quickie where we had that sponsor that was like a like a neck cooler thing oh i heard about this okay i tried it it's like kind of cool pun intended uh but it's a kickstarter right or something yeah so that i didn't know ah um so i've reiterated to the team hey we can't really do kickstarter

indiegogo stuff however the reason they let it through is not entirely stupid either this is a company that basically uses crowdfunding campaigns as a marketing vehicle so you know how even though we don't talk about products on indiegogo or whatever but i'm constantly covering ioneo well they their product development just happens anyway yes and they use it's kind of it's almost like marketing at that point so this company has also got a very similar history of just releasing products via crowdfunding campaign as a marketing vehicle so that's why they made the call but the issue here i think was that there were a very rando company uh that our viewers were not familiar with at all and therefore didn't have

that trust built up at all. And so we got a fair amount of pushback on that, and rightly so. Also, the talking points were stupid. And I talked to the business team about that as well. One of the talking points was that the fan is AI-controlled. And I'm like, if your fan is AI-controlled, you did it wrong because you're powering an ai processor in your in your like neck cooler that should probably be using that power for cooling your neck and just have

a simple fan curve on it right um so i talked to them about how we can't just take silly talking points at face value we have to make sure that we are communicating things in a way that is representative of the actual product. What does the product do? It cools your neck. It kind of feels like having a chili water bottle around your neck like this. You know what?

I like it. Is it going to be the difference between going out in 45 Celsius heat and being immediately comfortable? I think it's fair if it's a company without a proven track record and it's a, it's a Kickstarter Indiegogo level pre-order. I think that part's fair, but like you said, you didn't know it was that.

So I don't know. So yeah, I mean, I only found out about this after it was already a controversy. But I think, you know what, things like this are going to happen more and more. And I'm just going to have to kind of get used to it. As chief vision officer, I'm probably going to end up running damage control more often as opposed to less often. If part of the goal here is for me to not be like hour by hour involved in absolutely everything that this

company does because it's just it's not possible anymore theoretically hopefully we have less though like for a change hold on what were the two controversies there was the okay the eight sleep one i had something to do with but i didn't know all the details and to the business team's credit they did tell me that there was some kind of controversy around the subscription and i waved it away because i kind of went well yeah but like i don't know i use it without the subscription who cares whoops right but then this other one with the weird net cooler thing i actually didn't know anything about it until the whole thing was done and i'm just gonna have to like get used to it i guess yeah so we're gonna make some mistakes we had this conversation yvonne and i had this conversation today where she was talking about uh i was i was talking about

uh this thing that we're implementing and and security issues around it and like who should be able to have what level of access to various things if not um and she was kind of just thinking out loud about how it's interesting and in some ways difficult but in some ways good whatever like just kind of thinking out loud about the idea that it's not always just linus avon run everything all the time anymore it's weird we can't yeah it's not possible possible. Nope. We're at like almost 120 people. We added like two more people on Monday. Like, what?

Yeah. The Monday morning meeting like always has a picture in it these days. Like always. Well, you're not helping. No. Mine were all pre-approved, bro. Mine were all pre-approved. Like last year.

I don't deny it. Should we talk about the invisible PC setup? Yes. Yes. Invisible mouse. Invisible keyboard. Hologram monitor. This channel is actually amazing this is the only thing i've seen but it

was awesome and i oh no he did this like super tiny one too and specifically called me out to beat it and i was like i can't what am i gonna do you've taken this to completely you have gone too far. Yeah, this was sick. I actually didn't even know. That's kind of funny. I didn't know this was going to be in the doc. I watched like a short, I think, on it. And then was like, man, I wish I could see the whole thing. So now I need to watch the whole video.

Okay, I see. So yeah, the keyboard is like embedded in the table but there isn't a mouse which is interesting because there's products like that he could have used the same technology for the keyboard but i actually am happy that he didn't because there are limitations to it right adjustable sense oh my goodness this is amazing that looks so insane absolutely next gen that looks like something from like a movie on like future tech and AI

from like the early 2000s where they fake it but he actually did it yeah you guys are gonna have to watch this crazy you should absolutely check it out that's super cool all the stuff that's embedded in here the zero gram invisible mouse I love the gaming memes fantastic Wow okay I'm going to have to super cool can we can we can people post the link to that in chat or something of course oh I mean I can just do it cool yeah yeah people are asking for the link yeah yeah don't or something? Yeah, of course. Oh, I mean, I can just do it. Cool.

Yeah, yeah. People are asking for the link. Yeah, yeah. Don't worry. Don't worry. I got you guys. I got you guys. Basically homeless. Go check out the super tiny one as well.

I got to watch more of his stuff because that was really awesome. Yeah, it's one of those channels like DIY Perks where it doesn't publish that much. So it's easy. I freaking love DIY perks oh yeah they're not prolific publishers like we are but every time they drop it's a banger

it's a banger YouTube chat I bet it's a poor experience that is not the point this is why I never look at YouTube chat actual unwashed masses JK love you YouTube chat

at least you're not as bad as Twitch chat there you go boom roasted got em Rip Cortana do we only have one after dark we have five minutes. Okay. The National Eating Disorders Association replaced their helpline with a chatbot.

They've replaced all hotline workers and volunteers with a chatbot four days after the workers voted to unionize. If you thought AI is not coming for my job and you worked for the National Eating Disorders Association... You no longer think that. You were objectively incorrect. This is absolutely mind-blowing. And this is the leading edge.

This is the tip of the wave that's coming. The hotline workers included a handful of paid staff as well as around 200 volunteers. The employees' demands did not include pay raises. They asked for higher staffing levels and ongoing training to deal with staff burnout and ballooning wait times. Netta has used the chatbot called Tessa since february of 2022 it is not based on chat gpt and does not make decisions or grow it follows predetermined pathways based on the knowledge of the researchers who made it so this is an old school chatbot i i went into this assuming it was an ai chatbot this is an old school chatbot like the thing that helped you with your better or worse your lego thing probably better because like okay so at least it won't hallucinate yes the reason

why i freaked out about this was remember when we had that conversation forever ago about the ai that convinced the dude to kill himself so i didn't join them or whatever i was worried that type of stuff would happen um but it like won't happen with this type of system. Yeah, but while many users have rated the bot as helpful, its creator has stated that it is not an adequate replacement for a human-staffed helpline. Yeah, so that all sounds right. Oh, man. Helpline volunteers were asked to act as testers for the chatbot

instead of providing one-on-one support to callers. 70,000 people last year. Wow. So wait, what actually happened? Because it said they did this. Yeah, but they've been doing this since February 2022. So did they do this back in February of 2022? Or what changed?

No, no, they've just had it. Now it's just all that's available so they just dropped everybody yeah see you later wow um this this is kind of wild the google play store has suspended the app downloader a popular app for side loading on android tv following a dmca takedown from several israeli tv companies who complained that the app is capable of loading piracy websites. Yeah, that face is about how you should be feeling about this right now. Downloader is essentially a combination of a web browser and file manager that allows

Android TV owners to easily download files from the internet onto their device. that allows Android TV owners to easily download files from the internet onto their device. It can display piracy websites, yes, but only to the same degree that any other web browser can display piracy websites. So they need to remove Chrome from the Play Store. Yeah. The specific piracy site that was noted in the complaint, Sidaro, Sidarat, I don't know, has received injunctions from Israeli and U.S. federal courts.

However, it is still online and can still be accessed in Google Chrome. Prior to the takedown, Downloader had been downloaded over 5 million times. Yo, dog, I heard you like downloading, so I put a Downloader in your download. It doesn't matter. Google has rejected the developer's appeal

to reverse the decision it's still available on the amazon app store and the developer's own website where you can sideload it i guess but if it's for sideloading can can we just can we just stop letting tech illiterate people make legal decisions about tech is that something we can do do we have that power then again you let big tech be in charge of it and they're just gonna walk all over everybody anyway it's not gonna be better yep yep oh man that's really stupid like how many points did your i IQ drop just hearing this? What was remaining? I'll say.

Let's move on. We don't have that much time. Yeah, fine. A Japanese YouTuber was arrested for posting, monetizing, and posting and monetizing copyrighted content. The 52-year-old YouTuber was accused of uploading and monetizing a playthrough of the visual novel Steins Gate My Darling's Embrace, a romantic comedy dating sim without permission from the developer. They had likewise posted

videos that contained footage from anime series. These were not full episodes, they were narrated summaries condensing the material, which is a popular video genre in Japan. A primary point of contention was the relatively long duration of the videos and the fact that they contained the game's ending, meaning that they might act as a replacement for the original material. Seriously? Arrested. Bad precedent.

Yeah. And this kind of seems to explain why Nintendo doesn't understand how the entire rest of the world views fair use because my understanding is fair use like kind of doesn't really exist there is that yeah at least not in the same way that it does here I have no idea but I don't think so I have also heard some pretty intense arguments against people streaming or making let's plays or whatever of visual novels

specifically is that what this was yeah i was reading some yeah because it is romantic comedy dating sim but yeah oh i thought it seems to be very story driven yeah okay so i'm gonna go on a tangent i guess and just say for visual novels specifically because this is a thing on like steam and stuff people have been pretty against it because you're basically live streaming flipping the pages in a book and you're showing all the pages in the book right like there there actually is not any other content you're not playing the game right so i don't know this one sounds like it's not that but that's just like i know that's a an argument that's going on yeah jake from the lab who i think lived over there for a few years uh says this is an interesting one as

japanese copyright law uh dictates that the owners need to aggressively defend their copyright kind of like how trademark laws work here so this may not actually be something that the developer the developer necessarily wants to do but if they want to keep their copyright that's it oh seriously activision shuts down community run servers for legacy cod see you later cease and desist from activision so the problem is that those community servers were the only safe way to play those games because activision is not keeping their own servers up to date so you you can something, something, attack people through Activision servers, because they're not secure.

I don't know all the details, but I know it's like bad. And they implemented their own anti-cheat, which is super cool. This is for the original Modern Warfare 2. Yeah, it's like way better. A possible cause for their legal action is the fact that one of X-Lab's setup guides contained a link to an illegal copy of the game.

Well, that's bad. But then they should have just said, take that down. Yeah. But then I can see why they don't want to micromanage this. Yep. Yeah, shouldn't have done that. So the Modern Warfare 2 Steam page has seen a wave of negative reviews claiming that the game can no longer be safely played. That's true.

Discussion question. Is there a way for companies to defend their ip while allowing the community to take over old games if they're no longer interested in maintaining them yes there is sort of because with supreme commander which is super cool the way that fa forever exists that was an ip that was no longer actively being developed whereas call of duty is so it's all fine and good as long as this you know x labs version of the server is good and nobody is getting infected or whatever but as soon as they make a mistake well whose liability is that yeah but then you shouldn't it should be it's a messy topic it's hairy but they should not there should be some form of recourse for them

selling old games at full fat price that are unplayable safely well yeah for massively extended periods of time i think you get like three bucks and your class action uh pale yeah yeah yep just never matters and youtube killed stories i am never getting a stories function on my foldable device because youtube turned off the feature or is turning it off june 26th that is the last date and apparently it's because almost no one uses them. I mean, they got a lot of views back when they were a thing, but they want

people to use community posts, which appear to be gaining traction, and upload shorts. So there you have it. I'm never getting stories and I guess that's okay because it didn't really matter, except that there were some really cool things you could do with stories, like replying to comments with a story sometimes it's not convenient to type out a thing on my phone and I'd like to just I had pitched to them hey how

about expanding stories so that it's a feature that exists more like in the comments under a video so uh you know a comment that got a lot of upvotes I'd be able to just click a button in my creator app and record a quick response to it, and it could just live there. There are absolutely cool ways that you could use stories, and I think that YouTube is throwing the baby out with the bathwater here a little bit, but hey, that's the Google way.

Let's create two different kinds of short video, and they'll compete against each other other but one of them is monetizable so that one's not definitely the one that's gonna win yeah go the team the number of times that they assured me that they were probably going to be merged and that story wasn't going away and that they were definitely bring the number of youtube employees who have told me soon for that feature on my phone is at least three not going to name them it doesn't matter it's over but it's at least three and you know who you are the last thing i want to talk about is our 45,000 watt fan. Okay.

Think about that number. Yeah, I know. 45,000 watts. Yeah, I've seen it. Did you see it in operation? No. How long was it in operation? Scary.

Probably a total of about 10, 15 minutes. Oh, wow. Because that's as long as we can power it for yeah it is it actually draws so much power that we could not safely power it with the entire output of the transformer in that unit that's so insane i'm just like what it generates so much thrust that it could almost hover with me sitting on it wow it's gonna be it's gonna be a fun video do you know what they're used for i don't know oh we probably should have talked about that uh whoops okay well maybe okay they have a bigger one so maybe we'll talk about what they're for in the sequel okay but we cool a computer with it obviously yeah i am genuinely interested

to see what happens to the components or what you guys did to make it so that things wouldn't happen to them yeah alex either one of them alex and kyle components or what you guys did to make it so that things wouldn't happen to them. Yeah, Alex and Kyle were involved, so you know it's going to be completely stupid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm excited. Okay. All right. Time for WAN show after dark. Which is not that dark anymore because we had some feedback. We listen sometimes. WAN after slightly darker.

Yeah. I barely even noticed. Yeah. Yeah, that's all right. That's pretty good. Yeah, that's okay. Good job, Dan. You can tell.

Now, that was really dark when he walked right in front of the camera. Yeah, how would you do that? Remember when Dan used to crawl under the camera and stuff and give it? I used to have production standards and they just... We broke him. Throw him away. I don't want to comb my hair anymore. Okay, merch messages, I guess. All right, cool.

Sure. Greetings from Quebec. Since the warranty of my Z Fold 3 is now over, I'm afraid to break it. What would you suggest as a user to keep it as long as possible? P.S. Whenc of gaming in french uh okay so what would you suggest to keep as long as possible i mean be careful with it um as for abcs of gaming in french my french not good enough um i mean maybe we could try and hire a translator man that would be a that would be a very difficult thing to translate and maintain the meter yeah because it like it rhymes and stuff yeah yeah it's actually pretty rough and like

there are songs that have been successfully translated from English to French and vice versa I think that book would be really challenging having written the English one it's almost a whole other book well it also just contains like technical terminology for which the literal direct translation is just that word but But like, en français, like with a French accent. So I, sorry. AJ, one of our legitimately actually like francophone team members. The?

Legitimately. Do we have anyone else? Oh, no, there's other. A-prime, demo. I think that's it. I think it's A prime and demo Yeah okay Anyway No

Sorry Antoine? Oh yeah he must speak French So four I think I don't know David speaks French Monsieur Gaultier Yeah so you'd think I would I think. I don't know. Oh, David speaks French. Ah.

Monsieur Gaultier. Oh. Yeah. Yeah, see, you'd think I would, but no. Lafrenier. Not even a little. He doesn't even know what I just said. No, I do.

I do. I speak French and then my last name. Okay. I know that much. That's actually like brushing on the limit i know soda mousse okay because it's on packages okay that's why there's no other reason wait like cream soda i thought it was funny when i was a kid how often do you even drink cream so i do not remember the last time but when i was a kid i thought it was funny when i was a kid how often do you even drink cream soda i do not remember the last time but when i was a kid i thought it was funny so i remembered it okay yeah that's what you retain yeah okay

we need to we need to burn through some of these we have like no time yeah luke cream soda uh Hello, Linus and Luke. Greetings from Germany. I always wondered if you guys got in trouble or if sponsors frowned upon you guys using memes in your sponsored videos. Memes like 69 or 420. Every once in a while, we had a video that was sponsored by someone. I don't remember. Was it HP? I don't remember. Was it HP?

I don't know. Anyway, the product was their Z Workstation 420. And we managed to slip a lot of pot jokes into it. But there was one particular shot where we actually put, like, a thing in the front grill of it and had it smoking. Like, it had the computer smoking weed And that did not make it past the sensors. Oh, yeah I remember that surprised in Jeez in general though. I think sponsors know what this is

Like if you don't do your due diligence watching a couple videos from a channel before you throw money at them. That's on you I don't feel bad diligence watching a couple videos from a channel before you throw money at them that's on you i i don't feel bad uh any new house videos coming soon i think it's the most engaging content on the channel i don't know maybe if my pool ever gets finished speaking of which there's been a new development there uh we've issued an ultimatum uh they they they've been they told us it was going to be two weeks to completion three weeks ago we've had to reschedule our electrician four times uh because they keep just not showing up um and so we basically said look this is ridiculous you'll be here on monday

and you will be working continuously until the project is done or we're going public um it's something i hate doing i actually hate doing it. But this has actually been insane to the point of like, should be criminal. No, it is. Oh, okay. In my opinion. Ah.

I don't need any libel or whatever. Yeah. But they have, in my opinion, from my experience, almost certainly broken multiple laws in the way that they've engaged with us. And they deserve, I think, to never be in business again at this point. From what I've heard, I completely agree.

So if nothing happens on Monday, I'll see you guys next Friday and I'll let you know how it's going. There's another contractor that might be willing to pick up the job, but from,

from looking at another review of these guys even, apparently it like took six months and was like pulling teeth to get a small job done. So, I don't know. I guess we'll see how it goes.

Yeah. Yeah. Hey DLLll picking up some merch for linus voice my wife that's not linus voice that's borat voice but anyway yes you're gonna you're gonna do it no okay uh with the growing size of ltt and improving mark bench what steps you're taking to ensure gpu reviews are free of errors? So a couple of things we've added. So, OK, so one is as we improve our machine vision capabilities, we are expecting to be able to monitor not just for anomalies in our results, but also anomalies in the visuals of the game. visuals of the game. That's something that one of our team members actually has some experience with from testing mobile games at his previous job. And in the long term, we would like to be able to evaluate the visual fidelity of features like DLSS or FSR as part of the way that we present performance data for these GPUs.

That's going to take a long time. For now, at the very least, we've implemented a checking stage where the labs goes through the data and goes through the finished videos to make sure that the writing team didn't miss anything. Not because the writing team is dumb or incompetent, but because it's often just crunch for these videos and things can get missed. It's improved things a lot, but there's still room for us to continue to improve. Hey, LLD, do you guys think any Labs content will be at LTX?

Personally, I'd love to see some of the stuff y'all are working on demoed. For example, keyboard testing. That's a really good question. And right now, the answer is no. I don't think we have anything planned for LTX. mean most of the lab's equipment is pretty planted yeah kind of bolted to the ground um huh yeah i don't really know what to tell you it could be interesting i know like uh pax had some multi-site stuff some years could be interesting one year to have like oh this would be really hard

i don't think we could do it actually well we're offering tours of the lab as part of ltx yeah so there's that i think like if we had if you had like another event which was like you could you could go through some testing at the lab we're not close to there and that would be very hard and no we're not be feasible yeah i have no be very hard and might not be feasible. Yeah, no guarantees on that one. It'd be neat, but it's probably never going to happen. Hey LLD, I often watch videos over Discord, screen share with friends. Some sites block screen sharing in this way. What is your opinion of this practice, both as a consumer and as floatplane executives? I totally get why people do it um absolutely and also there

is absolutely ways around it how would you even block that i mean there's ways to oh right block screen capture yeah okay well anyway um i mean tell you... If something shows up on your screen, there is a way to capture it. Yeah, I mean, oh, this is a tough one, right? Because as a consumer, I think it's super cool. It's one of the features that I actually pitched as something that would be really neat for Floatplane to have native support for. But I can tell you now that the creator

of whatever that is is not being compensated in any way for whatever that is so take that for what it is right if you if you if you're enjoying this content then the idea there is that you should maybe think that the person who created it should be compensated in some way or not. And that's, that's kind of your call, right? But that's what's happening. And that's why they block it. Um, I don't think we're putting any effort into blocking it at this point in time, but we're also not a small creative team and we're not sort of live or die depending on whether we get that hundred dollar check this month or whatever else it is right so we're quite diversified um yeah it's tough you just just gotta think about what you're doing and understand the impact and make

your call right yep linus what's with all the fancier, sillier, wordlier videos lately? I don't know. It's just fun. It's just pure fun. I like it. I like silly words. I like grabbing your attention. Look, it worked.

I'm going to be in Taiwan for the next two weeks. I wonder why. Do you recommend somebody in the tech industry go to Computex for fun with their significant other? Or is it too formal? It's industry only. CES, or wait, no, is it? CES is. I can never remember.

I'm pretty sure both of them, there is a way that you can buy a pass, but it's like really, really brutal. Well, they say that I think they're in the tech industry already. So if you kind of like, they would just go. You're in the tech industry already. So we kind of like, they would just go. You're in the tech industry. They don't have to go. You're going to Taiwan right now, but you're not going to Computex. But they would go to Computex. Oh, yeah.

Okay. This is very strange. Oh, yeah. No. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Computex is fun.

It's cool. It is. Yeah. Go for it. See you there. Hello, Dan and Dan's assistance to the WAN show I'm using the LTD screwdriver to perform jet engine maintenance currently where is the most interesting place you have found your merch being used I mean there was that time that uh skating Olympian had our water bottle just like casually on tv on the Olympics

yeah yeah that's really cool i'm trying to think there's got it there's got to be some other cool stuff did any of the uh did any of the boys at nasa have any of our merch uh yeah okay that's cool i didn't actually see it on site but we weren't like where they were doing that type of stuff yeah it might make sense um that we've seen a lot of people review the screwdriver that do really cool stuff we saw the guy that works on drift cars in japan oh yeah uh we've seen a bunch of different people that do a bunch of random stuff they need a screwdriver for it's been very cool yeah it's a good screwdriver what can i say yeah there's a bunch in potential linus that are pretty specifically directed at you oh yeah

there's been something directed at you that i've been able to answer for you but not all of them okay tauren asks would you ever do an ltt labs official quality certification for specific products like usb and hdmi um it depends we'd have to find a way to do it where it doesn't compromise the labs's vision which is to be a check and a balance on these certification bodies and these product manufacturing bodies um i think that you know something like the way that 80 plus operates um theoretically is really good but in practice has, I think, been less effective over more recent years. And I think that's where cybernetics has had an opportunity to step in and provide a more meaningful certification program. So if we were going to do something, I would just want to make sure that we're only doing it in an area where we have the time and attention to focus on making sure that we are

the be-all and end-all of standards for that particular vertical. And that's a really challenging thing to do. It's going to take a long time. So I can archive that now. Hey Linus, love the show and all the best with your new role. I was wondering if there were any upcoming videos for Channel Superfun. Seems like it's on the back burner at the moment. The answer is you are right. It is on the back burner at the moment. Dennis has transitioned into a new role,

so there is not a formal channel manager for Channel Superfun right now, unfortunately. It's just not been sustainable for us from a financial standpoint. That's business speak for we were losing money on it again i don't know what it is i i i always really enjoyed doing channel super fun when it was just kind of hanging out and doing a weird challenge or whatever but there's there's a lot of things that come with being a bigger company that are not a lot of fun

um channel super fun relied on just kind of spontaneity and uh people participating just for the sheer fun of it and not worrying too much about things like okay prizes are something that are really tough like the meta has changed people expect there to be like a giant prize for give you a car doing something but we've done things kind of like that in the past even with small prizes so when we did the um mario kart ar racing thing okay on ltt we offered people winning a day off or something like that. I think it was, I forget exactly what it was. And the amount of backlash internally over not being selected to participate, so not getting a chance to win that,

led us to create this whole convoluted program for Channel Superfund where the participants were actually competing for a prize, but then everyone else internally could bet on the outcome and share the prize with the participant who won so that way everyone could participate and that it's just it basically this is why we can't have nice things because it created a whole bunch of politics and uh you know jockeying for being featured on the channel and complaining about not getting screen time or being in a role where you're not on screen or whatever else and i just

like i can't i just can't anymore um that's why a lot of you know i'm not going to name any specifics but that's why a lot of those types of channels the prizes particularly when they're internal for the staff it's just all fake like come on guys get real right what do you want from me let's keep churning through yeah linus are you officially switching from the steam deck to the rog ally planning a two terabyte ssd upgrade in the ally with sabrent's new 2230 two terabyte s SSD. I think he's got one there. Indoor Hodi restock when? Soon, soon.

I think we've actually got it nailed down and we're ready to go to mass production, but it's going to take a little bit more time. But yeah, I'm switching over to the Ally. I was actually on the Ioneo Next before the Ally. And one of the things I liked about it was that it had support for M.2 2280 drives, full length drives. Although I think you could cram Next before the Ally. And one of the things I liked about it was that it had support for M.2 2280 drives, full-length drives. Although I think you could cram one in the Ally if you just had

a little M.2 extension thing and I'd like to put a bigger drive in it if I could. Finally caught one of these early. Linus is a fellow fan of CrossCode. What was your opinion on the post-game downloadable content? And have you seen the in-depth videos of Radical Fish Games' new project?

I didn't actually play the post-game DLC. I felt like the story ended in such a good place, and I was playing for the story, not for the dungeons. I actually found the dungeons a little tedious towards the end, especially that twin dungeon where you do one side, and then you come out, there's no story and character development whatsoever. And then you do the other side and it's like, Oh, what a grind. Um, like the puzzles were really creative. It's a really, really well done game,

but, uh, I, I just didn't find anything that appealing about the DLC. Um, as for their new game, I haven't seen anything, but I will absolutely play it. I consider myself a Radical Fish fan. Hey, Dil, love the show. My fiance and I have been playing It Takes Two and having a blast. What is the first game you and Yvonne ever played together? Any other recommendations? I want to say Pocket Tanks.

Oh, that's adorable. Look at this. I just go on YouTube and look look it's us saying goodbye uh not not in the way that you think though but yeah pocket tanks is uh super fun just ultra casual game lots of lots of different weapons and stuff uh i think it's like five bucks or something like that assuming you can even find anywhere to buy it anymore you can like put up walls and there's all these like cool little like different weapons and stuff that you can use and we we got to the point where it got like pretty intense and we got pretty good at it and stuff like here what this must have been some kind

of like area of effect weapon or something uh this is pretty slow paced gameplay here guys anyway that doesn't really matter the point is yeah pocket tanks that's the first game we played together i think would you have taken the leap to start a linus media group if other outlets like ltd gamers next where nexus uh hardware unboxed and mkbhd had existed at the time i started LTT because my boss told me to. So I guess so. The leap to LMG, not just LTT. Oh, I mean, yeah, because other stuff did exist at the time. There were other channels.

There was. It just didn't happen to be those ones. Linus, seems like you have had bad luck with contractors for your house. Oh, God. Thanks for that. Painters, pool people, how can you find good contractors or trade workers? It's like interviewing anyone. You're going to get it right sometimes and you're going to get it wrong sometimes. And while theoretically, you know, you have the law on your side or whatever,

and you can hold people accountable in practice. This is like, it's the whole trust me, bro thing all over again. Yeah, that's right. I'm going there. Um, Luke, deep breaths. At the end of the day, at the end of the day, a warranty or a law or anything only exists to the extent to which one party has the willingness to honor the agreement and the other party has the willingness and time and capability to force the other to honor the agreement. It can be life-ruining level expensive to actually try to get a company to follow through with

what they're legally supposed to do. And I know you're about to say, well, clean court, sure, you do it. Are you going to? And full will. And then when you're done and they have that court order to pay you, okay, then what?

Are you going to pursue them to actually write you the check what if they're fraudsters and they've been ponzi scheming the whole thing and their check's just going to bounce anyway how are you going to follow that up it just yeah um it is what it is. We hope that we're going to get this resolved in an amicable way, but I don't know. Hi, LLD. I have a hybrid smartwatch with an e-ink display behind a set of dials,

which has most smartwatch functionality and one month of battery life. Linus, would you use such a watch as a Pebble successor? What was great about the Pebble was just the simplicity of it. It just showed me the text when a message arrived, and it had hardware buttons. That's something that I still miss. I actually still use a pebble time for uh media control on my motorbike i just have a pebble time just like magneted to my handlebars because

when i got gloves on it's still like the only thing i can control i think there are accessories that function in much the same way but like but i have a pebble time who cares and the app is already on my my old phone which is what i use to listen to music when I'm riding my bike. So it works perfectly for me. And it looks like the last one I have today. When you start someone as a new host, how do you evaluate whether they're a good fit to stay in the role? Do you give them specific training or is it just sink or swim?

A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B. I mean, the audience is going to give them all the feedback they could ever hope for. Hey, thanks, guys. Some of it valid, some of it phenomenally stupid. LTT Screwdriver, been using a bunch lately. Any updates on Metric Hex Bits and the stubby version? Yeah, Metric Hex doesn't seem to be here yet. I'm as up to date on that as you are.

You can message support, though, and hopefully they can get you sorted out. And I do have another small little update on the store. Zach actually announced an LTT color version of the Jerry Rig Everything razor knife. So we don't have it in stock yet, apparently. Thanks, Zach. But we're going to have it it and you guys can check out i think it's his most recent video where he announced that so that's pretty cool cool

and i think that's pretty much it for today sorry guys it has to be a short show we got to get to the airport see you again next week oh same bad time different bad location but same channel same channel i'll still be here bye