The WAN Show - YouTube Backstabbed Me - WAN Show October 21, 2022

Starting point is 00:00:00 interesting what is up everyone welcome to the wan show we've got a great show lined up for you today uh thank you luke that's really helpful lots of fantastic topics starting of course with youtube hiking the price of youtube premium, literally a day after I go to bat talking about how, well, the service is really expensive to run and there's a lot of challenges and data storage. So we'll be talking a little bit about that. Also, we're going to be talking about AMD being kind of boned. Right now, the situation is not looking good. about AMD being kind of boned right now.

Starting point is 00:00:47 The situation is not looking good. They've apparently cut production of their Ryzen 7000 chips. What else we got lined up today, Luke? LTT in other languages. We actually have videos that we can show you on the actual channel. We can show you how it works and we can show you the dubs.

Starting point is 00:01:04 I have not listened to them. I will be first time reacting to this. can show you how it works and we can show you the dubs i have not listened to them i will be first time reacting to this we'll see how it goes also they are on espanol on espanol i honestly wasn't entirely sure that i could nail the pronunciation of that and i hadn't heard you say it yet so i didn't want to do it um but i'm pretty sure i didn't nail it luke is that the only one are we doing more languages beyond that we're starting with Spanish starting with Spanish very cool also G4 TV

Starting point is 00:01:32 is done again maybe not forever who knows but certainly for now but the most recent one is done Comcast pulled the plug. We'll talk about that later.

Starting point is 00:01:47 Intro? Do I run the intro? I guess so. I certainly can't. Intro auto. Boom. Got him. Yeah, it worked.

Starting point is 00:01:57 And Linus, you're clipping a little bit on your side. Could you move the phone away or speak quieter? I don't think you can do that. I don't think I can do either of those things. Okay. We'll just deal with it. Nice. Thank you very much.

Starting point is 00:02:13 I think this is going to be an interesting show because I realized during the intro that Linus does not have a swear button. Oh, yeah. I'm going to have to control myself today. It's also going to be an interesting show because Luke disclosed to me before we started that he's on painkillers. I'm on painkillers. Let's go.

Starting point is 00:02:31 I don't know if you guys can notice, but this side of my face is a little swollen. We'll maybe talk about that later, even though it's kind of gross and not that interesting. Let's go. Oh, yeah. YouTube right hikes. It's an injury to the one side of Luke's mouth. You know what I'm saying? Just to the one side.

Starting point is 00:02:48 Had some blunt force trauma. And Linus isn't here. I wonder what's going on. She's cheating. Oh, wow, that actually hurt. Okay. I have to not react to things too hard. Let's jump right into YouTube hiking the price of premium plans in several countries.

Starting point is 00:03:08 That's right. Literally the day after I uploaded the video that I teased on Wenshow last week, where I was defending YouTube charging for 4K videos, so putting it behind a premium paywall, YouTube turned around and increased the price of my premium family plan from 18 canadian dollars to 23 canadian dollars 23 canadian dollars it's a big jump that is a substantial increase what does that what does that work out to like a 30 percent hike or something like that i thought it was like 25 and we are not the only ones to

Starting point is 00:03:48 have our prices increased the u.s and the uk went from 1799 of their currency to 2299 and 1999 respectively and other regions are getting similar hikes uh in Argentina, where inflation has reached 95%. The jump is particularly aggressive. Individual plans went from 78 US cents to $2.53 US. So that's like, wow, tripling um and then family plans went from a dollar 17 to 455 again tripling that is brutal that's crazy additionally now this is something that i feel like we can really dig our teeth into youtube is hiking the price of family plans for users who subscribe through Apple's App Store from $22.99 to $29.99. Taking that route has always been more expensive, but YouTube is now explicitly disclosing this in their announcement email. So for the people who are not familiar with why YouTube Premium would cost more,

Starting point is 00:04:59 Luke, what's the deal with that? The App Store takes a monstrous, monstrous cut. This is true on Android and iOS platforms. I'm not trying to just go after them. But yeah, these App Stores take huge, huge cuts. I think generally in the 30% range, which is a lot just for hosting some downloads in a store. range which is a lot just for just for hosting some downloads in a store um now my understanding is that you weren't allowed to charge essentially a 30 surcharge amount more yeah to account for it yeah but like i thought that was actually against they've been shifting the rules on that um i don't

Starting point is 00:05:40 know exactly where it stands right now because the last time that they shifted their rules, we matched exactly what their rule change was. And then our app got denied for following their rules. And then I had to have like an hour long phone conversation about that. And then our app got approved. Because nothing matters, apparently. So I don't know. But yeah, the line keeps moving because lawsuits and whatnot keep on happening. That makes sense. That makes sense.

Starting point is 00:06:09 I'm not sure. But I guess you can now, unless we're going to see a huge legal battle between them. But I'm pretty sure you can. I think you're allowed to charge a differing amount at this point. I think that this raises some pretty interesting questions. Let's get through the price increases. So original subscribers to YouTube Red family plans who were grandfathered in at $14.99 a month are going to be subject to the new $22.99 price, but not until April 2023 with everyone else getting the new price on their next billing cycle. And I think that the conversation needs to be, why is this allowed? This is not a free or ad-supported service, where, as people so helpfully pointed out when we were talking about the whole does ad block equal piracy discussion, it does not actually have any kind of explicit contractual agreement between the platform and the user. I think that there's certainly a terms of service and, you know, there's conversations to be had around what the implied agreement is for the use of the platform. But this is a paid agreement.

Starting point is 00:07:28 How is it exactly that lawmakers have not sort of identified this as something that absolutely needs to be stopped? This single party renegotiation of the deal. Like, do you feel a little bit like Lando at this point? Lando Calrissian? I like that. I enjoy the reference. I don't know. It's weird because like with inflation, we've seen really intense inflation lately. They mentioned here, but in Argentina, where inflation has reached 95%,

Starting point is 00:07:57 it hasn't been that bad in like Canada or the States, but it's still been really, really bad. If you have inflationary periods if you if you sign an agreement with some company okay i'm gonna pay um what was the original youtube red one 1499 i believe yeah i'm gonna pay 1499 yeah well in 10 years that 1499 doesn't have the same power that it had when you originally signed that agreement so maybe it could be a situation where like uh rate increases have to be within a reasonable margin or something i don't know um i mean yeah it's also not until next billing cycle so people could cancel we saw that in the early days of the pandemic where they mandated that rent could not be increased um

Starting point is 00:08:40 certainly not over a certain amount i know there are places where rent increases need to be within a certain percentage or they are considered to be illegal. But, you know, I guess from my point of view, it's just, it's not what I agreed to. I don't see why that should be, I don't see why that should be permitted for a service. I mean, you're right, obviously, if you don't like it, be permitted for a service i mean you're right obviously if you don't like it you can just not pay for it but they're not even they're not even they're not even putting up a facade do you think the timing feels suspicious the right thing um the timing feels very suspicious to me not not based on not based on your video to be clear no what i'm talking about is the changes coming to chrome oh when i first read this i was like oh yeah so they're gonna like completely screw over ad blockers and right before they do that they're gonna do a massive rate hike to youtube premium

Starting point is 00:09:41 this might this might just be me like finding things where they don't exist, but the timing's not, you know, exactly lined up, but it's pretty close. If I remember correctly, um, the, the, I don't remember the exact verbiage for the change, but what they're doing, um, to, to Chrome that is going to impact ad blockers and probably some other things, but very notably ad blockers, um, is going to happen, blockers and probably some other things but very notably ad blockers um is going to happen i believe in january which at this point is a few months away it's not that far off yeah that's pretty soon yeah there's some really good questions about this coming in from float plane chat so first of all cast 54 points out that they should at least, at the very least, not be able to charge people the new rate until they click a button that says they're okay with it. And they could absolutely cancel your service.

Starting point is 00:10:36 But to me, I remember when we migrated Floatplane from the LTT forum to its own site, to floatplane.com. plane from the LTT forum to its own site to floatplane.com. And I remember it being extremely complicated to change the terms of a recurring service agreement. Um, man, this word keeps escaping me. Um, when you, you know, unilaterally, there we go. That's the word I'm looking for to just unilaterally change the terms of the agreement. And we ended up having to have people manually go through and sign up again for the new site we lost a lot of users in that interestingly enough i'll throw some context in there um that is completely correct that was very difficult one of the main reasons why that was difficult is because we were actually changing business entities so when it was through the forum it was under business entities. So when it was through the

Starting point is 00:11:25 forum, it was under Linus Media Group. When it was through the Floatplane website, it was under Floatplane. So we were changing business entities. There's a bunch of issues there because we were transferring payment agreements from one company to another. And I think that might be possible, but it was way beyond us at the time, if is even possible at all i don't know um so we we had to have people manually move themselves over the other interesting tidbit is we can absolutely change people's agreements and increase or decrease prices at will the reason why it's never come up is we're obviously not going to do that because that's incredibly stupid speak for yourself you'll just get you'll get wrecked as a company if you do that.

Starting point is 00:12:07 At least that's been our opinion on it. So obviously we don't do that. But there is ways that you can set up where you can totally change people's monthly value. I love the idea of needing to press a button though because something that we know this at Floatplane and anybody who has ever done Twitch streaming at a professional level knows this as well. When you have paid subscriptions, you will have, and this I'm

Starting point is 00:12:33 saying, we know this at float plane. I'm not saying it's a good thing. It's just something that we have knowledge of because if we didn't, we would just be stupid. Um, but if you have paid subscriptions at all, there are going to be people that forget about them. Maybe the $5 or the $3 or the $10 isn't a ton to them. Maybe they aren't really on top of their credit card statements, whatever else. It's even worse when you sign up for things on yearly plans. Because when people go to review their credit card statements, they don't see it coming in all the time. They only get a 1 in 12 chance to catch it.

Starting point is 00:13:06 Yes, yes. So it's totally a thing. So if you don't have, and a lot of people also see a charge coming in and they're like, oh, that's Amazon or YouTube or Google or Walmart or whatever. Like I recognize what this is and this is a payment that I pay every month.

Starting point is 00:13:26 Okay, that's fine. So not necessarily paying too much attention to what the value is, but they're like, oh yeah, I subscribe to YouTube premium. That's the YouTube premium payment. Sounds good. Especially people that have currency conversions. So that makes sense.

Starting point is 00:13:38 Changing the price. Sure, they send an email. When's the last time you read a marketing email from YouTube? I mean, I did read this email because it was like, your price is going up. sure they send an email when's the last time you read a marketing email from youtube i mean i did read this email because it was like your price is going up i tweeted about it because i just i felt i felt so uh i don't know i appreciated the irony of the timing you know i learned about this because i i filter i filter it out i never even this email never hit my inbox on my personal email because it's a marketing email i just filter it out i don't care i learned about

Starting point is 00:14:10 this because your tweet oh really oh that's hilarious because i i didn't see the email and i'm a youtube premium person so this sucks like i'm not stoked get ready to pay another five dollars or six dollars or whatever it is yeah um black specter over in float playing chat asks i'm still keeping my three dollar plan right um yeah i mean i am also on the 4k plan but it's always good knowing i can fall back to the three dollar plan if i need to wait you have two active subscriptions to float plane so that you can have the 4k tier and you can also maintain your grandfathered og tier status in case you need it so you're actually paying 13 a month to to retain the ability to pay three dollars a month if you need it in the future they would

Starting point is 00:15:00 need two accounts i think you need a financial advisor because that is not great planning actually but hey thank you for the 13 dollars a month someone in chat said i never got an email my payment is ten dollars am i special um i don't know how your payment is ten dollars i'm not sure what currency you're paying in uh but you i haven't heard of youtube premium ever being ten dollars yeah so you must be in a different region. Maybe your region isn't affected by this. I don't know. I don't know. This is hilarious. I wonder how many of our floatplane subscribers are duplicates.

Starting point is 00:15:35 Now I want the team to go look into that. Like how many of these accounts are coming from the same IP all the time and stuff. Oh. Or like have identical names and use the same credit cards or whatever yeah that would have that would be a fair amount of digging um yeah you guys should just not pay us twice so uh yeah i mean you can if you want i'm not gonna i'm not gonna like refuse to take it but yeah um you should just buy more stuff on ltt store. That's, that's smarter, because then you get like shirts and stuff. Nicholas M asks, what I want to know is if this $5 increase is going to benefit

Starting point is 00:16:11 the creators that I watch. And that is one silver lining. That is one part of the argument that I made in the 4k should be paid video, that at the very least, what YouTube is doing through their really like unprecedented the way that YouTube shares revenue is unlike any other platform the the degree of transparency and the percentage that they share are way more generous than anyone else and so there's a reason that creators are constantly trying to figure out how to grow on YouTube, whatever platform people come from, the really successful online creators ultimately end up on YouTube. And the reason for that is because of the way that they share revenue. And yes, the answer is yes, this would be this would be subject to the same revenue sharing agreement that regular premium is, that AdSense is. And it's one of the ways that Google attracts talent to the platform so, so, so effectively in a way that just nobody else has figured out how to match and I shouldn't say has figured out how to match I think everyone else has figured out how to match it you have to just like actually pay money to creators but

Starting point is 00:17:31 companies like ByteDance don't want to do it so they just don't and I think that's one of the reasons that YouTube has stood the test of time while other platforms like Vine and like I ultimately believe TikTok come and go, come and go and come and go and come and go while YouTube remains. And you've got a lot of people talking about like, especially in the comments on that video, you know, angrily and justifiably angry, right? Like, I get it. But angrily talking about how this is the last straw, YouTube taking away 4Ks, this is going to be the last straw and taking away 4k is this is going to be the last straw and i'm going for an alternative and it's like guys there is no alternative

Starting point is 00:18:12 because at the end of the day content is king that is always going to be true and so yeah it's tough right there's some people in chat saying oh sorry go for it no no go for it there's some people in chat saying that they have uh youtube premium at 7.99 apparently that's a student plan thing there's other people in chat saying that they have youtube premium at 10 bucks which is apparently if you had google play music and like maybe something else you got grandfathered multiple times something something something i don't know what's going to happen to all of those uh but in general there is there is a it's a big radar do you know uh so it is is what the creators take from premium views a percentage

Starting point is 00:18:58 of the premium price correct it is okay so the whole the whole premium dollars go into a big fat bucket and then i think i tweeted out the percentage share incorrectly actually i believe it's 55 to the creators 45 to the platform and that 45 is not all profit for the platform that includes payment processing fees which as luke knows yeah he's nodding can be quite substantial they run their own and that which i'm sure helps they do run their own which is cheaper but they're still going to be paying to you know amex or visa or whatever other credit card processors that they support or whatever else and there's cost of making and maintaining your own payment professor yes and and the cost of actually uh hosting the data and delivering it.

Starting point is 00:19:49 So it's a pretty good deal for creators, which is why the creator ecosystem has just blossomed into this vibrant community that they have now. And they have so much first movers momentum on this. I just don't see realistically how anyone is going to catch them. Yeah. I've always kind of seen YouTube that way. We had, I don't think,

Starting point is 00:20:11 I don't know if it was last week, but we were, we were talking about like what resolutions would you still watch YouTube at? And it was like basically whatever. Cause where else am I going to go for this? Yeah. And it's like, it's, it for this um yeah and it's like it's it gets to the point where it's like um if the resolution goes so low you just don't watch videos

Starting point is 00:20:32 because where else are you going to go twitch vod is does not cover what youtube does at all daily motion does not cover what youtube does at all like no one else is in that game vimeo get real vimeo if anything has made themselves has made it even more clear in the last like year that they are not interested in chasing that ad supported free content uh mega site it's really audience they yeah it's it's super hard um lumber wand over in youtube chat i know there's a first time for everything, says, so if I have premium and ad block, does that money still get properly attributed to the creators that I watch? Well, my question is, why do you have ad block if you have premium? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:19 But also, yes, your premium watch time, as long as you're signed in, gets divvied up according to watch time. Sorry, your premium money gets divvied up to the creators you watch according to watch time ratios. Yes, that's right. People have asked a bunch of times, like, why don't you make free ad support tiers on Floatplane? I'm like, because it's an insane amount of work. Like, it's a massive amount of work like it's it's a massive amount of work to to broker those advertising deals or you're just jumping on something like youtube adsense anyways yeah yeah you're giving google a cut then you can't be competitive with them regardless so like what is

Starting point is 00:21:59 what is the value add here like it's it's it's tough it's a it's a hard space to be in okay this kind of leads into one of our discussion questions which is why does youtube seem so unconcerned about the potential for moves like this to push users towards ad blockers so they're not concerned i don't think about users just leaving the site altogether i think maybe they've gotten a little complacent, but also rightfully so. But as for ad blockers, I mean, Luke, you have the technical capacity to block ads on YouTube, but you subscribe to YouTube Premium, and you seem to have telegraphed earlier in the show that you intend to pay the new $ 22.99 price for premium as opposed to uh setting up a i mean i don't even know how to completely block youtube ads like i know on on

Starting point is 00:22:53 mobile it's a little challenging on tv it's very challenging um well on mobile you can just use mobile like brave or whatever with an ad blocker but on on tv i believe it's quite challenging and and you won't get your 4k anyway if that was your goal on mobile if you use an alternate browser well uh there are there are other ways on mobile um and you can still get your 4k uh but i have premium so i don't care and i don't want to talk about it uh but there yeah on on tv i have no idea because i've never been interested in watching youtube on tv to be completely honest um so i haven't looked into it myself on mobile it's definitely possible um on on computer is definitely possible i did did mention earlier, and I believe it's January, Manifest V3 is coming. That's going to mess with ad blockers. Maybe we'll see if that'll push that

Starting point is 00:23:54 down. In regards to ad blocking, I do think this will cause a little bit of that. I do question how many people would go from paying for it to ad blocking it because of this change. I'm sure it will be some, but will it offset the increased amount that they'll make from charging way, way more? Like this is a massive increase. You know what? I actually, I want to play devil's advocate here counterpoint i actually think the odds of someone who was paying before turning to adblock assuming they for whatever reason couldn't keep paying their premium subscription if this was one cappuccino too far right you know okay um so they they unsubscribe it's a lot i actually i. I think that they would be more likely than a typical user because they are, A, probably an enthusiast user of the platform, one that was willing to pay.

Starting point is 00:24:51 So one that probably consumes a lot. And B, have probably grown very accustomed to not seeing ads on YouTube. So I would actually imagine these people digging pretty hard for an alternative i mean i'm going to i'm going to reiterate my my my privateering stance and that's that using the platform in a way that does not compensate creators for their work is detrimental to the platform that you appear to be enjoying and may claim to like the content on um and so you know make of that what you will and make your decision accordingly but that doesn't change that people are are going to be i think surprised especially if they've been on premium for a while by how many flipping ads are on youtube now

Starting point is 00:25:40 yeah yeah i mean i wouldn't even know anytime it's a lot anytime i open in the wrong browser i run away immediately because i i hate i hate seeing the ads for me it's it's a it's a big multi-tiered thing where i i i want to support other creators on on youtube because i watch a bunch of youtube um and i know they get better cuts when I'm watching as a premium subscriber. So I think that's cool. I like that part of it. I like that there's no ads and I don't feel bad about it. I understand that there is actually a huge amount of cost.

Starting point is 00:26:19 So just blocking all the ads on YouTube feels a little wonky. I feel quite strongly about the whole malvertising thing. I don't think I need to go over that for like the 20th time on WAN show. But I don't necessarily think that malvertising on YouTube is actually a big problem. Maybe it is, but I've never heard of it being a problem. I mostly am interested in stopping those types of problems outside on other parts of the internet. interested in in stopping those types of problems outside on on other other parts of the internet um but yeah supporting a platform that i use a ton that i know costs a lot to run and being able to support other creators that i actually want to support through doing that knowing that they make

Starting point is 00:26:56 more money off of it all of those things together makes it pretty reasonable instead of just presenting problems then why don't we why don't we talk solutions? I mean, I would never advise someone to circumvent the terms of service of a website. like that but if it really is a step too far i mean one of the things that struck me about this price increase is that even though it's like a 30 increase or 25 increase or whatever it's still three dollars and 33 cents us per member of my family a family plan is is 23 a month or whatever canadian and i have five people using it and I'm kind of sitting here going you know what it's it's kind of funny how common it is right for people to share a Netflix account and yet I almost never see anyone talking about sharing a YouTube premium account and I understand it's less convenient to share a YouTube premium account just because there's so many other Google services that you might use that you might want,

Starting point is 00:28:06 you might actually want to contribute to informing your recommendations and things like that. Like it's such a personalized service. But I mean, if the choice is, yeah, if the choice is to not, that's true, we used to talk about it because you shamelessly were piggybacking off of my family plan yeah actually yeah now that i think about it you're not sharing how can you do this to me i'm sorry first child luke um actually now that i think

Starting point is 00:28:35 about it no i was being dumb before you don't actually have to share the login anyway no you get up to five accounts on the single family plan so i i wouldn't i wouldn't talk about you know circumventing terms of service that would never be a thing that i would talk about i just i think that it's worth you know considering if maybe there could be ways that are not as detrimental to creators for people to help to offset some of the um increasing cost. Yeah, for sure. There's, I think there are, and just like you can talk about exploits and bugs in systems without encouraging people to do them,

Starting point is 00:29:14 there are definitely ways to, yeah, reduce the impact of this change, for sure. Like using Firefox in January for no specific reason um or or or yeah potentially um expanding your family yeah i mean really aren't we all family yeah in the tech community yeah why i feel like we're just all family. And so with that family, yeah, with that family spirit in mind, it really does just seem like kind of an obvious middle ground. Like I pay literally, you know, for myself, I pay $350, right,

Starting point is 00:29:56 a month for YouTube Premium. That seems sustainable forever. They could double the price, and I would still find that to be quite reasonable. And I just want to say, you know, no matter who you are, forever they could double the price and i would still find that to be quite reasonable and i just want to say you know no matter who you are you probably have four friends and if you don't i'm so sorry to hear that uh but you know it's it could be a goal for you you might you might not have four friends that all want to pay for youtube um but you might find them i wouldn't be surprised if there was like a a discord server or something that sprung up

Starting point is 00:30:34 which was like oh man to find the amount of feels bad man and forever alone i mean that's in twitch chat though i mean we knew they didn't have friends because they're hanging out with like people who don't know they exist in hot tubs Oh man All these parasocial relationships I know right If you have four non parasocial friends You can't attack them for parasocial relationships

Starting point is 00:31:04 Wait why not? Because we're not going to have any viewers, young. Oh, whatever. He'll keep watching. Yeah. That's the thing about parasocial relationships is you can make fun of them for it and they'll still do it anyway. Yep.

Starting point is 00:31:21 It's all. What's up, Barrington? Whoa. No, Jake. Jake. I love you barrington he's one of our most og og og followers yeah um all of all of floatplane chat feels extremely oh no amazing all right is it six people you and five others no i think it's no five total i believe i don't know yeah i'm not sure yeah because otherwise i have no excuse for not having luke on our family anymore yeah oh man bullying everyone this has gone extremely well this last little bit why don't we move on to our next topic here uh should we do amd yeah let's do amd because uh they they hey they about to get done yeah after launching with a fairly strong showing with ryzen 7000 amd looked like they might be doing pretty okay but intel was

Starting point is 00:32:26 looming with 13th gen raptor lake cpus and they may have cut the celebration short apparently it's been a little rough launched yesterday the new cpus posted impressive numbers with the core 9 13 900k these names are getting really long uh apparently it is manager plus five by the way so yeah six people even cheaper than i thought okay sorry carry on bring me back in um but yeah apparently they're topping the charts over amd's more expensive 16 core ryzen 979 50x in all but the most heavily multi-threaded workloads which does make sense can we talk about that for a moment i feel like much that much ado gets made of multi-threaded performance but for the average consumer what most people are doing outside of

Starting point is 00:33:20 like maybe four four threads four to eight threads, is anything you do actually heavily multi-threaded? To be clear, we're not going to stop talking about multi-threaded performance in reviews because it has been and continues to be a very forward-looking way of measuring the performance of a CPU. Because theoretically, in the future, workloads will come. But for the average consumer who doesn't spend all day, you know, doing that CPU video encoding for peak quality or, you know, rendering out complex scenes in Blender, I mean, show of hands, like Luke, want to throw up a poll in the float playing chat? How many of you actually use Blender?

Starting point is 00:34:03 Like other than to dink around with it once a quarter you know how important is multi-threaded performance oh this is a great comment in twitch chat was bound to happen eventually kelton says ecores are cinebench enhancers yeah oh let's get this poll going. Do you actually use Blender on a regular basis? 20%. We've got 80, 82, 83% saying no. We've got a couple percent saying yes. And then we've also got like 15% liars in there i also yeah yeah i was gonna say like i really wonder how many of the yeses are people just being like amd is good okay come on i regret my thread ripper every single day oh yeah yeah how's that upgrade path going for you dan i yearn for death i spent so much money on that computer so much money um and it's it's uh yeah multi-thread is sad this is one of the reasons why uh future proofing is is something that we always kind of

Starting point is 00:35:14 scoff at a little bit all bs word yeah because when when people when people talk about like oh i want to like really multi-thread capable cpu because the future um it it's not really happening it's kind of hard to dev software like that um so people just don't do it uh vt arc sell us in twitch chat says every last furry is destined to learn Blender for VR. There's literally dozens of us. Yes, that's that. That is true. I guess that makes sense.

Starting point is 00:35:53 I wanted to build myself a, I wanted to build myself a model for Beat Saber, Saber streaming. And I realized that even though there are kind of redone, no, not a furry one necessarily, but even though there are pre-done like starting points and there are guides, you have to really get into the weeds with modeling software to like draw it and rig it up. And I'm like, oh, this is far beyond my skills. It would be, I would be far better off just paying someone to do this then i looked into how much it costs and i was like uh ready player now or whatever it's called that uh that service that just like you pick some generic attributes and assets and it just starts out a model for you

Starting point is 00:36:36 that'll do for me it's it's totally free man i so back when i was in high school i've talked about uh my high school computers teacher a few times. And I mentioned a few shows back that he created this like 3D game programming course for us. We had to do some basic 3D modeling in that class. And we used this program called MilkShape. So it sounds like milkshake, but it's milkshape. And I just Googled it to see if it was still a thing. And I don't think so but yeah i used to do some of that stuff a long time ago it's kind of cool anyways um yeah we should continue that also people are asking if merch messages are not a

Starting point is 00:37:20 thing today i don't actually have the dashboard open. Are they a thing? Yeah, they are. I've only gotten eight. Oh, maybe it's because we didn't talk about them. Guys, so if you want to send a message into the show, the way to do it is through merch messages, not Twitch bits, not super chats, nothing like that. You want to send a merch message. All you got to do is head over to lttstore.com and in the checkout, you're going to see a field where you can enter your merch message and it'll either be replied to by dan it'll show up on the bottom of the screen if you just want to do like a shout out or something like that uh or luke and i might address your comment or your question live towards the end of the show uh the lttstore.com deal of the week is the Jerry Rig knife is back in stock. And if you pick up a 1200 by 700 desk pad and add a knife to your cart, the knife is free.

Starting point is 00:38:13 Also, oh, this is sick. Luke, bring them up. We have shoelaces now. There they are. They come with this adorable little power supply shaped box that has the shoelaces coming out like cables and the reason that these are notable is if you have or want to get the rgb hoodie these are actually the same laces so you can get that drip going on or however it is that you use that word yeah by having your shoelaces match your hoodie drawstring, which I thought was pretty cool.

Starting point is 00:38:46 I don't know if you guys can see this, but there's a fan on this side of the power supply, and there's even the grill, the power switch, and the plug on the back. It's kind of cool. This is pretty sweet. I'm not going to claim there's anything special about the shoelaces other than that they match

Starting point is 00:39:00 the hoodie drawstring. They've got some white stitching pattern on them yep i don't know yeah they feel nice and sturdy i wonder if we can do a close-up with a producer cam let's see so the 1200 by 700 desk pad then add a knife and the knife is free it's a sick deal that is a 15 us dollar value and you can use it to send in a merch message you have the box we also we also just generally have the knives in stock so if you don't need a desk pad you can always just like pick up a jerry rig everything knife i think there's probably a conversation to be had around should we just carry more influencer merch like is there any reason not to just have

Starting point is 00:39:42 other people's merch on our store? I don't think so. Why not? Maybe we should. Yeah. I don't see why not. Yeah. All right.

Starting point is 00:39:54 Let's continue the AMD discussion. Especially if there's something that isn't just like a shirt. Yeah. You know? I'm sure I have a bunch of shirts. Yeah. Continued AMD discussion. uh yeah continued amd discussion so all of this all of this amd crushing power does come at a currently trendy cost which is kind of surprising to me that this is currently trendy but

Starting point is 00:40:14 the power consumption is monstrous apparently our testing saw a peak of 350 watts but other outlets measured power draw up to 400 watts and beyond with the limiters removed and with throttling on 360 millimeter aio coolers wow so you'd basically need chilled water yeah we're bringing it back. We're bringing the chiller back. We're going sub-ambient, boys. Yeah. Sub-ambient. And Anthony has a note saying, this means it's possible to approach a kilowatt of sustained draw

Starting point is 00:40:54 for a personal home computer. I added that little bit in. Between CPU and GPU alone with a 4090 test rig. Wow. That's crazy. Especially when like so many other things are trending in the other direction and going down in power draw. We have the top end of performance on personal computers just cranking power draw as far as I can tell pretty much as hard as they can. You know what we've actually got a video coming where we run uh an rtx 4090 and a ryzen 9 7900x on a 550 watt power supply

Starting point is 00:41:37 and we play cyberpunk sustained on a 550 watt power supply so and and this is giving up like less than five percent performance one of the cool things about uh the new ryzen 7000 series we haven't tested it with 13th gen yet it's possible others have i just i haven't looked yet but um with ryzen 7000 and with the rtx 4090 is that they actually undervolt extremely well and you can achieve very surprising wasn't undervolting I thought it was lowering the power target well it's a combination so you lower your power target until you find a point where it starts to behave kind of weird and then you you set your uh you set your turbo target to kind of whatever megahertz you're running at at that point. Then you adjust your voltage.

Starting point is 00:42:30 Anyway, we show it in the video. It's a process, though. But basically, we managed to get it running stably on a 550-watt power supply without actually giving up a ton of performance. To be clear, that wasn't with me running two power viruses at once that was with me running an actual game uh but in in real world usage i think it would probably be stable which isn't to say you should ever do that no no no i'm just saying that you can lower the power consumptions of these new of these new uh components it just might take a little bit of work. But the thing is that we've reached the point where the work might be worth it, man.

Starting point is 00:43:10 Like it used to be that we would put all this work into tuning for more performance, right? With overclocking. But now with energy prices going the way they are, particularly in Europe, right? It could actually save you hundreds of dollars over the lifespan of this computer to undervolt it yeah yeah someone said uh let me see if i can find it again with someone in i'm a flanker in in flowplane chat says

Starting point is 00:43:37 uh with current uk pricing for electric that's 34p an hour for gaming wow that's 34 P an hour for gaming. Wow. That's going to add up. Yeah. It's going to add up a lot. Actually. That's a, I mean,

Starting point is 00:43:53 man, that's a question. That's like, that's like what it costs at the arcade, you know, when we were young, right? Like if you,

Starting point is 00:44:01 if you had to put a coin, right? If you had to put a quarter in the machine every hour would you game as much as you do or is it just the fact that you're not really thinking about it because it's coming in on a monthly billing cycle if i had to put a quarter in every hour i probably wouldn't i i think i would genuinely play less games right like that's that's a pretty high friction transaction actually yeah and to be clear i still i still believe that gaming remains one of the best bang for the buck

Starting point is 00:44:33 entertainment mediums right like you can there's especially with free to play games that you really do not have to put money into you know games like league of legends for example um like there's there's nothing that comes even close you know you look at it compared to like a movie going to the movies or going paintballing or whatever else it is like gaming is is an unbelievable bang for the buck assuming you actually do it enough to offset the the upfront cost but man that starts to eat into it a little bit 25 cents every hour my goodness and it's a lot more than that that's closer to 50 cents so if you had to put you had to pop a quarter into your desk every half hour i do not see you doing that sir yeah no that's yeah sometimes sure but not not i i would probably reduce yeah um two that's wild i want to figure out exactly how much it is

Starting point is 00:45:35 what is so that's cents right p pence is it yeah yeah so zero zero point three three four yeah yeah you're right 52 cents that's a lot yeah that's actually like a ton yeah my solar panels are starting to look like a pretty smart investment yeah yeah i remember when solar panels up here were were not um obviously they've gotten a lot more they've gotten a lot more efficient since then. They're still stupid here, sir. Because our power is still cheap. I didn't want to rub it in for everybody. Falling water.

Starting point is 00:46:14 But you know, the whole falling water might not keep happening thing is coming. Yeah. So we did a little work field trip to Banff a number of years ago. Luke didn't come. He didn't technically work for linus media group at that time long story anyway the point is we went to see this glacier and they had all these markings on the ground for where the glacier used to be where it is now and where it like used to used to be and where it's going to be. And so it's just tracking this receding giant glacier. And, um,

Starting point is 00:46:48 they were like, yeah, so, you know, 30 to 50 years, this thing will be gone. And guess what that means for hydroelectric power. And I was like,

Starting point is 00:46:57 uh, like I could live to see the end of cheap energy in Western Canada, which is sort of mind blowing. What are we going to do? I don't think anyone's talked about it yeah yeah yeah and because like everyone that i know just kind of shrugs it at power that lives here to be clear uh because we've always been like it's falling water it's fine um and i mean it is for now for now a lot of people asking why i'm in two dimensions uh budget cuts sorry yeah i have to afford my new more expensive youtube premium somehow yeah it's true yeah yeah we are we got to spread the spread the burden out you know um but yeah yeah yeah yeah so these new amd amd

Starting point is 00:47:48 chips um the biggest advantage the new chips have over amd is one that amd once held and it's the platform unlike ryzen 7000 13th gen core can run on last gen motherboards with a simple bios update and they can run with DDR4 memory, which continues to be much less expensive than DDR5. In fact, fast DDR4 didn't harm performance much, if at all, versus fast DDR5. Speaking of our testing, we've got another sort of conversation topic here, and it's what the heck is going on

Starting point is 00:48:22 with all the errors in the videos lately? And, you know, I've talked to the team about this. And from my point of view, you know, I didn't really want to say much about it because my goal would not be to throw any particular person or team under the bus because it's a little more complicated than that. All I really wanted to say publicly was we owe you guys nothing but the best. We are striving to deliver nothing but the most accurate coverage. But the reality of it is that we are going through a bit of a learning period right now. One of the comments that has come up quite a bit is why is it that publications with teams literally a 10th or a 20th the size of our company are able to have their videos go up more accurately and the answer

Starting point is 00:49:13 is that actually adding more cooks to the kitchen does not necessarily make it a smoother process and we're learning a lot every single single time, it's a different breakdown, if that helps you guys at all to understand what's happening on our side. And every single time, we are patching those holes so we won't break down there again. And it's just going to take us a little while to get the hang of this. Between the writing team and labs and the editing team, there are a lot of moving parts and we are we are absolutely going to do our best to um get to the point where you guys don't feel like you need

Starting point is 00:49:56 to read reviews from multiple outlets but we will still absolutely recommend that you always yeah you always look at coverage from multiple outlets that's something i've always said it's something that i always will say yeah okay i didn't know that was a problem in the video um we should probably talk sponsors yeah good call the show is brought to you by thanks to mint mobile for sponsoring today's show. Mint Mobile offers premium wireless service starting at just $15 a month. And now for the plot twist.

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Starting point is 00:52:49 Why don't we go ahead and chat about another big topic here, and that is, oh, where's the one that I wanted to, yes, LTT en Español. Yeah, yeah. Let me see if I can find this here so luke uh should we should we play it for them now or should we play it for them a little bit later i feel like we should maybe a little later play it for them and then talk about it because it's cool and it's not like it's happening now it has happened it's live you know and let's do it if people don't want to watch it

Starting point is 00:53:23 through the stream i'm gonna play it through the stream so if you want to watch it through the stream you can you can just do that but you can also bring it up on your own end like it's it's live and it functions now something that i didn't know until i sat down and we went over this is that uh you don't have to make a new channel for it anymore so this is just on the actual main channel uh this is a really cool feature so we can see what you're doing uh it's so cool that's not what i meant i mean there we go i've had a lot of people commenting too whether it's on the is that you don't have to make a new channel for it anymore so this is just on the actual main channel uh this is a really cool feature technical difficulties great we'll get there anyway let's turn off that screen sharing right away. I think it's causing echo. All right. Well, I can walk you through the visual

Starting point is 00:54:15 experience without a natural visible indicator. So you guys all know what I'm talking about. If you're on YouTube, in the bottom right hand corner of a video, there's the settings cog wheel. We all know it. We all know it. We all love it. You click on it. There's the audio track section now. So instead of just like playback speed, annotations, quality, the things you're used to. Got it.

Starting point is 00:54:37 We should. It's worth mentioning. A lot of people during the 4K premium controversy commented criticizing YouTube for not innovating. Like, what is there to even do? And, you know, again, I don't want to bootlick a trillion dollar corporation or whatever. But like scaling, scaling the way YouTube scales is really, really hard. And building new features at scale is really hard. And they absolutely do building new features at scale is really hard and they absolutely do build new

Starting point is 00:55:05 features and this one is one of the coolest ones i've seen in a very very long time okay luke is showing it to us now so down in the cog you can have multiple audio tracks on a video now and it appears to be something that you can actually do um that you can actually add in post, like after the fact, to existing uploads. So what we've done with this particular video is using Google Allowed, we have created a transcript, a Spanish translation transcript of the videos, and then we have used um i forget exactly what tool we're using to turn that into like an ai voice and then we've done our own uh conversion from our own voices to an ai voice to kind of fill in the gaps in the translation so the idea is not to do a perfect job of localization actually here let's let's play it first yeah play it first and we'll talk Así que la idea no es hacer un trabajo perfecto de localización. De hecho, aquí, jugámoslo primero.

Starting point is 00:56:05 Jugámoslo primero y luego hablaremos un poco más sobre ello. No he escuchado esto, así que vamos. AMD se llevó la corona del rendimiento en juegos con Ryzen 5000. Pero eso fue hace dos años. Y desde entonces, Intel ha cambiado su posición de saco de boxeo a boxeador. Pero AMD nos prometió grandes ganancias hoy, llegando incluso a decir que su nivel de entrada Ryzen 5 7600X superará al Core i9-12900K de Intel en juegos por solo la mitad del precio. Core i9-12900K de Intel en juegos por solo la mitad del precio. Entonces, ¿qué pasa con el título de este video? Bueno, pongámoslo de esta manera. Ahora que tengo los datos, y en nuestro equipo de labs, está claro que si bien el giro de AMD en la historia aquí es

Starting point is 00:57:00 técnicamente cierto, el mejor tipo de verdad, el panorama general es mucho más confuso, como esta transición a nuestros consor Ugreen. Su nuevo cargador Nexos de 140 watts proporciona tiempo para descargar rápidos para todos. I'm seeing a lot of people going either way on this. You know, gross doesn't sound human or wow, it's surprisingly good. Almost nothing in between, which is really interesting to me. And I want to clarify that the point of Allowed, this is Google's translation, quote unquote, startup, is to increase accessibility. It's not about perfection but 80% of the world does not speak English while the majority of video content online is in English so bilingual users might be likely to notice issues with pacing tone and minor translation errors because they can compare against the native English version. But what Google has found is that non-English speakers are more often just impressed that they

Starting point is 00:58:13 can access the content at all. So if we think about it from an accessibility standpoint as opposed to a perfection standpoint um ferna 182 in floatplane chat says native spanish speaker sounds like a dub show on tv a few mistakes here and there but overall way better than last time that's good that was that that was our goal yeah uh yeah pretty much across the board people are saying not the most accurate but it's okay okay. And yes, I know, you know, if we hired like a translation company and a bunch of voice actors, you know, Mr. Beast style, that might work. But okay, you got to think about the scale of what Mr. Beast is doing. video and he can assume maybe 25% as much on an alternate language channel. You know, if we only got 25% as many views on one to 2 million views, all of a sudden that would pretty much eat up whatever money we could have made on that video. Like it's not, it doesn't make good business sense. But if it's something that we can do relatively easily, right? Like if it's something that we can do relatively easily, right? Like if it's something

Starting point is 00:59:25 that we can do using AI and then just doing spot corrections, ooh, that's the way for us to tackle it because we upload so much. I mean, he uploads one video every like two weeks these days, right? We're uploading daily. So just the scale of the cost is enormous. I mean, we've run into issues with our, with our Chinese translation where it's not even a matter of not being willing to pay for it. We just upload so frigging much that it's hard to find enough people who want to work on it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:57 Yeah. Yeah. I, I mean, being a, not able to understand it at all. Cause I, I can't speak a single word of spanish i i think the tech is really cool um our implementation completely regardless having it so that you can

Starting point is 01:00:13 switch audio tracks like that and having it support uh languages for for the the use case of that feature is sweet and i i think we should all be pretty happy that that exists on YouTube because of like what Linus is saying, the accessibility stuff. Maybe it could be better. Maybe it could be worse. I just think it's a really cool feature and I'm stoked.

Starting point is 01:00:36 I like it when sites like YouTube innovate because there's so much that can be done when you have an audience that is like as close to the entire planet as you could basically get um so yeah i think it's really cool and i like that we're using it because why not and from like you know not everything is going to get translated but this could be a great tool for people looking to learn english as well being able to listen to it in spanish and then listen to it in Spanish and then listen to it in English. I know that's how a lot of people...

Starting point is 01:01:08 Well, it's the same all the way around, too, if people want to learn Spanish. Well, I wouldn't learn Spanish from an AI translation. It's the only reason I didn't bring that up. Yeah, never mind. Yeah, no. You're going to walk around sounding like a bad translation all the time. Which is actually... Oh, man, that actually make for like a good comedy short or something like

Starting point is 01:01:29 that so someone who learned from bad translations how to speak a language yeah and just like i actually i could even see it being a show like back in the 80s or 90s like a mr bean style like you have a character whose entire sort of shtick is that they they learned you know the language from from poor translations so they just are constantly using idioms that make no sense and i i yeah that could be that could be interesting um digibrat we already uh have a translation service in china and we have almost a million subscribers on billy billy but thank you for the suggestion yeah yeah already a thing yeah I wonder if I get another gold play button I got such a kick out of getting a Chinese knockoff of a silver the silver one right

Starting point is 01:02:14 yeah yeah yeah I'm getting I saw the silver one years ago yeah I don't know if there's a gold play button on Billy Billy but I'd be super super down is spanish the only other option at the moment or is spanish just the one you went with for the test uh spanish is the one that probably has the the greatest overlap of people who want to watch ltt and who don't speak english so like we could have gone for German, for example. But from my time in Germany, I would say that that was probably going to be a big fat waste of time because practically everyone I met there spoke better English than half the people I went to high school with. Like their English schooling is outstanding. It's always interesting when you talk to someone and they're like, oh, my English is really bad. And it's like, oh, it's fine. It's fine. It's fine.

Starting point is 01:03:04 And then you actually start having conversations with them and you start kind of wondering like is their english might be better than mine exactly exactly uh apparently monty python did a bit with a dodgy translation book like way back in the day so yep there you go yeah it's been done it's been done uh people are talking about indian uh yeah one of the benefits of spanish for us is we happen to have someone on staff who who speaks native uh spanish so that helps a lot uh one of the challenges with spanish though is that there are a lot of regionalisms that make Spanish localization really tricky. Oh, wait. She doesn't speak Spanish? Oh. Whoa, hold on. Ed's messaging me in real time here.

Starting point is 01:03:52 Hindi is apparently coming soon. Do we have someone on staff who speaks Hindi who can check that? Well, I don't know. All right. There you go. I'm finding out new things in real time here uh anyway uh so it's really tricky because for spanish different countries and even regions have their own vocabulary accents and idioms that can make it really really challenging to translate but i think it's going to be one of those things where you just have to kind of settle on something and it's at least better than nothing. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:04:27 Yeah, for sure. Should we talk about G4? Oh, I mean, I guess so. As long as we don't say anything mean, because it's rude to speak ill of the dead. I got to say this before we start so rest in peace zombie g4 tv uh those of you who were super stoked on the return of g4 um maybe maybe what i'd like to hear is why because as someone who wasn't really didn't really have any access to traditional media at the time that G4 was taking off.

Starting point is 01:05:05 We didn't have a cable TV subscription at that time. I didn't watch any TV at that time. So I don't have any nostalgia for G4 but it seems like there's a contingent of people that super miss

Starting point is 01:05:21 G4 and loved it and I'd love to hear from you guys like why yeah people are saying like tech tv was the bomb i know i know chris perillo had his break on like g4 tech tv i think tech tv was like a sub-brand of g4 something like that yeah lots of people never even heard of it ogg4 was better i didn't hear about it until years later because i ended up watching um adam sessler on a game review channel that i don't remember the name of anymore um that i believe like all the hosts left and then it was not cool anymore um but i used to like that game review channel tech tv

Starting point is 01:06:06 but but i had never that's the only reason why i knew that g4 existed was people would comment about him being on it back in the day on that show people talking about screensavers attack of the show so basically they just had a lot of like really good hosts back in the day it sounds like a bunch of people call it like a lot of people calling out x play i don't even know what i don't know what that is yeah well i swear i didn't have cable so we're very ignorant in all this so yeah when it came back i didn't have the nostalgia rough so i didn't uh i didn't go to start watching it because I never watched it in the first place I got nothing against it

Starting point is 01:06:49 it sucks that it went down I've heard a lot of different various commentary on this about how they think that that space is now pretty well covered by a lot of smaller independent, like one to two bit outfits here and there.

Starting point is 01:07:11 Yeah. Like I know one that I check out all the time is Game Ranks. That's a relatively small team that have just been killing it for years. So trying to pull together the force. Game Explain is another really small one that i know absolutely yeah um trying to bring together this massive group bunch of big names bunch of fantastic hosts i have heard actually very very good things about a lot of the people that worked on g4 tv so and i know that there are already people trying to poach them, both the people that worked behind the scenes and on camera.

Starting point is 01:07:46 So I suspect that the people that worked there are going to do well. Yeah, Blue Purple Kid and Twitch says they had good hosts even today, and it still got shut down. Comcast sucks. But I'd like to talk a little bit more about that later. Let's talk more about that later. But yeah, Luke, carry on. Yeah, so I have heard that the the the behind the scenes team was was just absolutely

Starting point is 01:08:11 fantastic um i've heard that the the hosts were all really good um but they they just weren't really getting the viewership that they needed to sustain the cost of having this apparently again i don't know but i have heard this apparently massive studio and very extensive staff um because it's expensive it's gonna be expensive so yeah yeah it's hard it is hard to make quality content on an online budget and traditional media like g4's last run ended in uh 2013 back in 2013 it was a lot easier to make money through traditional tv advertising and cable subscriptions that those numbers have only fallen since then and when you account for you know inflation your production costs have not gone down so you've got the you've got these lines that are trending in in the

Starting point is 01:09:12 opposite directions that would be helpful for making a production sustainable and so as much as you might say comcast sucks and as much as i might not necessarily disagree with you i think the thing that sucks about them was that they ever thought this was going to work in the first place this was just clearly a stupid idea there's there's a bunch of people in chat like what one person um sydney broke it says comcast did very little marketing they had an abysmal business and marketing plan they could not figure out how to uh make things people wanted to watch and that's yeah maybe the production is fantastic and the hosting is fantastic but if you what marketing do we do i didn't know marketing is dead sure but i

Starting point is 01:09:51 didn't i didn't know where to watch g4 i don't were they on youtube i don't think so why would you care like if you don't if you didn't find it then you'd like you won't find it like if it was really good we rely on virality these days. Algorithmically, if it was, if it was suitable for our given viewer, it would get served to them. Yeah. So I'm looking at G4 TV's YouTube channel and they're getting like three, 4,000 views a video. Um, that's just not going to do it for the, for the staff that they had. I don't, I don't know if everything actually hit the YouTube channel. Um, a lot of places use YouTube channel as like

Starting point is 01:10:30 partial archive side business thing. Um, but yeah, they, they, uh, the, the budget was extremely high and when budgets are extremely high, you're going to have to perform at a level that can pay for the budget and it seems like that wasn't happening um so that's it yeah sucks uh but i do think that a lot of these people are going to land on their feet my clop lip says says the guy whose entire business is supported by marketing uh yes but not marketing the show the content speaks for itself we don't we don't market linus tech tips we don't like buy what like what would you even a lot of marketing for something like websites a lot of marketing for something like a youtube channel is through recommended stuff right um and is the platform that you're on i again i don't know if they were fully on youtube but if they were fully

Starting point is 01:11:31 on youtube um then getting three to four thousand views with the with the team that they had is is just not going to support the um the the math just doesn't work right um i don't know raz rail and twitch chat says i'm sure you guys know better than i but i assume it failed because of corporate bloat and idiotic budgeting costs on infrastructure that isn't needed for what they were producing but that's the thing apparently it was like really good it's just that i've heard a lot of really good things yeah it does cost a lot it legitimately costs a lot to approach a production like that in a traditional media manner and to make it good and so that's why i mean that's why i think it was dumb that they even tried not because you know the hosts weren't great or the showrunners weren't great or whatever else but because it was pretty clear to me that there just wasn't enough money in it to sustain something like that as as a as a startup like it

Starting point is 01:12:31 it's very very difficult yeah either way condolences for for the team there um I know I've said it like 14 times, but I think they're going to be okay. I know of two different outfits that are currently putting out like, hey, if you worked there, hit us up because we're hiring people like you. So I think they'll be all right. But I hope that's true for all of them. Obviously, you want people to be able to find gainful employ. Apparently, they attack their followers a lot. Yeah, I don't know how much that would or wouldn't necessarily.

Starting point is 01:13:19 H. We don't like to admit that. Fair enough. Oh, man. we don't like to admit that fair enough oh man apparently talent were expected to play a role in managing public relations and little action would be taken by the company in times of controversy i don't know what that means um yeah i don't know a ton about it. I just, I hope that, I heard it was good from some people that I trust. And I hope that the people that were doing a good job in order to make it good land on their feet. And that's pretty much it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:58 Rip G4 again. See you later. Yeah. It's especially troubling just how sudden the shutdown was. Employees were informed via email that the LA facility would be closed and all streams postponed, but no word that the network was actually shutting it down.

Starting point is 01:14:15 Many employees only found out via a memo published on Twitter. That's just gross. Yeah, I'm really not enjoying this modern people getting fired through figuring it out, through hearing it on the news thing. I'm sure, to be fair, that was a thing in the past as well. But I've been hearing a few of those lately. So, yeah.

Starting point is 01:14:44 There's a whole bunch of employees said there was a ton of mismanagement and a lack of direction in an interview with the Washington Post. Apparently, they wasted a bunch of funding on guest stars and cut staff and people said they were underpaid. Yeah. All right. Discussion question. Ltt video game channel when it feels like a matter of time doesn't it i want to do one for a long time but it's hard there isn't there isn't a ton of money in it um gaming is is something that the the people that are doing well on youtube in gaming are huge and they're doing well because their volume is just enormous um and a lot of them

Starting point is 01:15:34 have honestly pivoted slightly out of gaming so that they can get their advertising dollars from segments that aren't just gaming they can use their audience to uh their audience that is interested in not just the fact that they talk about games. But they're interested in the person. So I'm not saying they're using their audience. In a negative way. But they're making forms of content. That aren't just gaming content.

Starting point is 01:15:57 Because maybe they don't want to just make gaming content. And also. They get to put that video in a different advertising segment. Than just gaming. Which is often a really good thing for money. So, yeah. I don't know. It's tough.

Starting point is 01:16:14 It's such a saturated space. It's also... And, like, honestly... Yeah. The fans are vicious. That's true. Just to put that out there. And I've been one of them.

Starting point is 01:16:28 I don't know if you guys remember this, but... Do I bring this up? Yeah, let's go for it. Cuphead. Do you remember the launch of Cuphead? I think we even talked about this on Wancho back in the day. There was a game reviewer

Starting point is 01:16:43 who couldn't make it through the tutorial oh no it was actually hilarious uh and and a lot of a lot of reviews coming out about games that are hard or like like let's say cuphead the cuphead one was like Or like, let's say Cuphead. The Cuphead one was like... Pretty bad. Watching the person's playthrough where they spend whatever it is, like 25 minutes trying to get through the tutorial that should take people like 30 seconds was pretty intense. But watching reviewers rate difficult games really poorly because they couldn't accomplish it is not fun. It's not good. but watching reviewers rate difficult games really poorly because they couldn't accomplish it, um,

Starting point is 01:17:25 is, is not fun. It's not good. Um, but I think, I feel like the gaming audiences is more ready to go after the reviewer in those situations than a lot of other audiences, uh,

Starting point is 01:17:38 which is, which is fine and fair. Um, but when the money's low and the audience is brutal it makes the business decision competition is high the competition is very high because there's a lot of game reviewers and there's a lot of good game reviewers as well we named two of them on the show it's not like the it's not like there's a there's a hole there that we need to fill um yeah it's like what what could we do differently in that space there's a bunch of people that do really long form like video essay

Starting point is 01:18:11 type content on games that is just amazing like the amount of research that goes into it is incredible they make these these works of art there's a lot of people that make shorter form more review punchy type of stuff that is also really good like it doesn't need us to join it i would enjoy making gaming content definitely doesn't need us in that space so it's a difficult i'd be happy to talk about uh beat saber map packs yeah but other than that it's like what would i even contribute and honestly like that's cool how many views is that going to get how do we make how do we make a good business call out of linus talking about map packs on beat saber i think it would probably be a thing where it's just like a passion project um but then you're you're you're paying people's wages

Starting point is 01:19:03 for a passion project because it's going to need to get edited. And then if we, if we make a mistake over there, uh, the, the people that are angry about it are going to cleave all of the other companies and groups that we have, which is pretty extensive at this point. Um, so it's just, it's tough. It's tough. Someone on Twitch chat talking about that, uh, Goose Game stream that you and I did saying it was funny to watch. Like, yeah, it was. But from like a work standpoint, that was the least productive thing that either Luke or I could have been doing. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:35 What were we making? Like $3 an hour to play Untitled Goose Game? I have no idea. The opportunity cost of that is enormous. Yeah. Enormous. Yeah. And you know, we've got people on Twitch also pointing out that you don't have to do reviews. You can do niche content. Yeah. But niche content, it's right in the name. How do you make money on it? And there's, there's people that can and, and be very successful and make really good money, but it's often one to two bit outfits.

Starting point is 01:20:07 We're big. Exactly. Like that's the thing is you can make money as an individual, but we're not an individual anymore. Yeah. Like all of a sudden, anything we do has to make more than just the person working on it. Because there are other teams that support those people. If you're just an individual, fine. But if you have to also pay your share of the overhead from our accounting

Starting point is 01:20:30 department and logistics department, and to be clear, you know, it's not fair to call accounting overhead, but they don't make money. They count it, right? And what they do is super important, keeping us compliant with various tax regulations and things like that. We can't operate without them, but it means that we can't just take every dollar that comes in and go, oh, well, that covers the salary of the people who work on this show. It's just more complicated. And like the stuff. Galactic asks, what's the rationale behind Carpool Critics? The rationale there is that

Starting point is 01:21:06 they really wanted to do a movie podcast and i said i okay uh give it a shot and we'll see how it goes and they really really like doing it still i guess because otherwise they don't have to i mean they're just movies they're just movies podcast yeah and like for me the the type of content that I would want to make if I made content like that would be content similar to uh like ahoy or nakey jakey or channels like that and there's no way I would be as good so you should probably just watch them and I'm just being real about that I would be as good. So you should probably just watch them. And I'm just being real about that. I would probably, I think Untitled Goose Game is honestly a perfect sandbox for me.

Starting point is 01:21:53 That is my gaming personality in a nutshell. It really is. I probably had the most fun that I've had gaming in the last like five years playing Star Citizen with Ewan riley for his tech longer episode just being an absolute piece of garbage the entire time like i had way more fun ruining this utterly broken game for everyone than i would have actually trying to role play in it yeah you know we should we should release that as a float plane exclusive if

Starting point is 01:22:25 riley still has the uncut footage because that was hilarious it was so fun i i wish it made i don't think it made it into the cut or maybe maybe like one version of it did or something but linus figured out how to how to like ko your character i'm gonna say it that way um and i was like holding backspace or something and your character. I'm going to say it that way. And it was like holding backspace or something and your character would just knock themselves out and you'd fall on the floor. We started running around the hangar, both of us just like launching ourselves.

Starting point is 01:22:56 And just ragdolling in the middle of this like starport. And Morphologist, who's a fantastic creator, he's an architect who does reviews of the ships and stars and he does other stuff as well but he's trying to like show us this game and how cool it can be we're just like run run run run boom

Starting point is 01:23:14 I managed to almost almost PK the entire squad yeah yeah no I thought you did get everyone no I didn't get everyone they got the gun away from me almost PK the entire squad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I thought you did get everyone. No, I didn't get everyone.

Starting point is 01:23:29 They got the gun away from me. No, cause you crashed the ship into the planet. Oh, well, yeah, I did that. Yeah. I do remember the gun part though.

Starting point is 01:23:38 Yeah. Oh, I was so close to getting you all. Yeah. I, I, I would have fun fun i could have some fun making i've had some video ideas in my head for like years uh that i would really like to explore um yeah me too honestly it's the thing that kind of sucks about doing this professionally

Starting point is 01:23:58 because there's video ideas that i would love to do that have been like swimming around in my head twinkle in the eye you know that are just not worth the time yeah and it's like what is what is worth you know yeah like there's a there's a few that I've wanted to do I've even started writing scripts on a few of them over the years and then just been like this is so this is way too similar to what I do for work releasing this on my personal channel would probably be really weird i don't like really want to do that so then they haven't become anything but it's still something that like but then but then if i do it during work hours the whole time i try to do it i'm just gonna be like holy crap there's other things i should be doing so i don't know it just

Starting point is 01:24:42 doesn't really line up i feel the same way about a lot of stuff i mean even stuff that i really like kind of should be doing for work like the you know colton's been chasing me to do a course forever and like i should write that book and stuff like that it's just i know it's not the quote unquote best use of my time but there's things that i kind of feel like would be a lot more creatively fulfilling um but just are i you know i think the big problem is i'm really just not done with ltd yet i feel like once we get labs up and running smoothly um once we have you know like this great host stable and we've got labs just like churning through product in the background you free up more time maybe the time will come yeah maybe the time will come for maybe to spend more time fighting dennis on channel super fun or something you know yeah

Starting point is 01:25:39 maybe uh you could have your own um i haven't been doing it as much lately because we're crunching pretty hard. We're behind on a bunch of things. But Flowplane, in theory, has this thing where the last Friday of every month, except for right now, we do something where we do creative day where people are supposed to

Starting point is 01:25:58 work on their own, like something that they find interesting that might potentially be a benefit, but we don't measure it based on like benefits and stuff it's just could it potentially bring any value to the company and there's been some really cool stuff that is that has come from that that has actually been really valued there's also been stuff that has come from that that has had effectively no real major value and that's completely fine but it's a cool creative outlet um so if if you're able to have the time to be able to do that but one of the problems with those types of systems is being able to have that time is is hard

Starting point is 01:26:32 um so yeah yeah conrad just pointed out points out merch messages was originally a creative day thing yeah it was a there was a suggestion from a viewer. I don't remember exactly how detailed it was. And then Conrad took it way further and turned it into merch messages. And now that's like a core part of WAN show and a notable part of the business. Really, really, really cool. There's been other stuff that has come out that has been very good from creative day as well um and it's something that i i want to get back into we're just behind on some stuff but um yeah i think those things can be valuable i think linus having some time to just

Starting point is 01:27:16 riff on things that he finds interesting would be cool um but time is very leveraged right now yeah i don't know video game reviews it's something it's something we've been thinking about for years because before we started channel super fun it was like uh which one do we do type of conversation yeah yeah it was either video games or toys and toys and other more different kinds of games yep yeah uh ea speaking of games is shutting down servers for many old but still good games this was first spotted by true achievements on monday but electronic arts has confirmed it has started the process of shutting down online servers for some of their older games which means players will no longer be able to play multiplayer online, and any achievements that require that feature will be forever unwinnable.

Starting point is 01:28:09 IGN assembled a list of when and what games are getting shut down. And it is October 20th, 2022, Army of Two, the 40th day, and Army of Two, the Devil's Cartel, as well as Dragon Age Origins, the multiplayer screenshots server. On November 9th, 2022, they are shutting down Command & Conquer Red Alert 3, Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars, and Command & Conquer 3 Kane's Wrath, alongside Mercenaries 2 World in Flames. November 30th sees the end of Onrush, and January 19th of 2023 will see the end of Mirror's Edge, NBA Jam on Fire Edition, Gatling Gears, and Shank 2. Cool. and january 19th of 2023 we'll see the end of mirror's edge nba jam on fire edition gatling gears and shank 2 oh rest in peace i really wish there was legislation to force these guys to

Starting point is 01:28:57 release community server software why not because they are clearly shutting it down anyway. Very, very frustrating. Yeah, Anthony's discussion question. It's not really a question, but bring back dedicated servers, you cowards. Games with servers shut down like this should have their server software released. Ab-so-freaking-lutely. Preach it, Anthony. Yeah, I feel the same way. there's a question which is like adam says uh mirrors edges online content only consists of leaderboards and ghost downloads

Starting point is 01:29:34 how hard is it to keep those going yeah unreal extremely frustrating entire generations of gaming experiences will be lost to this always online multiplayer paradigm it's really quite sad um i've always really because you you don't like maybe you don't care too much right now about some of these things closing down maybe you haven't thought about Mirror's Edge for

Starting point is 01:30:11 a while right but there's a bunch of games where I don't think about them for a decade and then one day I'll talk to a buddy about it and we'll reminisce over some good times with some game that I forgot the name of. Oh, yeah. Remember Worms Armageddon? Yeah. It's like, man, we should play Worms Armageddon.

Starting point is 01:30:30 That's actually really fun. And with Worms Armageddon, you can. And you can have a hoot. Just fire up some hamachi. Yeah. And it's really quite genuinely entertaining. It's fun to go back and play that game. Some fun parts of it can even be going, wow, this is a bad

Starting point is 01:30:45 game um just figuring out like okay in the last however many years a lot of good quality of life things have happened to gaming like that part is interesting i'm not saying that with worms or i'm getting to be clear uh but that has been something that has happened to me a couple times that i've i've put some rose-tinted glasses on about a certain game gone back to play it and then i'm like oh wow okay usually i think i have a pretty good memory for that stuff but not all the time but i want to be able to do that um and i think it's crazy that it's becoming a thing that you can't um and this is something that we talked about on wancho when it started becoming more popular that games were becoming always online multiplayer experience blah blah blah um and no one seemed to

Starting point is 01:31:30 care yeah and now it's starting to happen and i think we're running into a situation where a decent amount of people don't care and i think the reason why is it hasn't happened to a game that they care about and it's gonna be one of those things where it's like they came for the x and i didn't care because it didn't affect me they came for the y i didn't care because it didn't affect me now they're coming for me who's there to care about this i don't remember how that quote works um but like i i think that's happening you should care this sucks this is bad the the there's groups out there that try to um preserve old gaming experiences um and i think that's that matrix online mmo uh like server reverse engineering project was wild yeah i don't think it ever ultimately succeeded but like with that kind of dedication you have to know that if the source code was released they would

Starting point is 01:32:33 have made it happen yep probably would have made it better yeah um so i don't know this is sad the the question of what gave me most disappointed to see offline uh i don't know. This is sad. The question of what game are you most disappointed to see offline? I don't know. I'm just disappointed to see any of them offline, I think. Yeah, none of these games should be offline. It should be only if nobody wants to play it anymore. But instead, we're not given the option. We're not given the choice. Yeah, and even if no one wants to play it anymore, maybe someone wants to play it

Starting point is 01:33:05 further out on the line and and to be clear i don't think stop looking to the air off camera yeah sorry i'll look at cardboard linus a little bit more often um i don't think anyone is i don't think that these companies should have to necessarily like host the online servers for these in perpetuity forever they should do um what i think someone else mentioned i think anthony or or maybe lightest they they should make it so that other people can if they want um like uh dd and twitch chat says a battle for just one game where

Starting point is 01:33:47 the community fought hard with the a they actually ended up getting the source code as long as they swore never to monetize the game and it's a similar situation good enough uh supreme commander forged alliance exactly good enough we don't want to make money off the ip we just want to play our freaking game yes forge alliance is i think it's actually brilliant because they handed it over to community members that are doing an amazing job the lord's work the forge alliance team uh it's actually just wild what they've accomplished really really really impressive and they made an agreement you have to have a legit copy of the game to be able to play so people still buy it because you can buy it through steam the original company is actually a win-win

Starting point is 01:34:32 yeah everybody wins sounds good you i'm not even asking you to stop profiting off of it exactly all i want is for there to be a route and if people don't want to put the effort in if you have made the path clear if people don't want to put the effort in, if you have made the path clear, if people don't want to put the effort in, that's fine. But the path needs to be clear. There needs to be a path. Just shutting it down, creating no potential path forward, that's not cool. I don't like that at all. And I would really love it if something happened i don't know if it has to happen legally or what uh but something happened so that this couldn't happen

Starting point is 01:35:11 anymore because we're we're legitimately losing history and it's not it's not good or cool yeah someone said asheron's call apparently there's multiple community servers now because you can do that that's great asheron's call is an ancient mmo um and i i suspect microsoft does not expect that they're going to be able to make money off of the original asheron's call um and that might be a very accurate thing um but yeah just let the community host some stuff and if you want to put in stuff hey you can't profit off of this, or they have to have official license keys for the software to be able to play on your server, whatever.

Starting point is 01:35:52 Sure, whatever. Just make it possible. Or alternate solution. You can just get rich enough to buy these companies outright like kanye west acclaimed rapper ye is buying social media platform parlor after being banned from instagram and twitter for making uh what were i haven't actually seen them but what were apparently anti-semitic comments kanye west now legally known as ye i actually didn't know he legally changed his name to ye that's a thing um has decided to take

Starting point is 01:36:31 matters into his own hands by purchasing parlor in a tuesday press release parent company parlement technologies i don't know how you're supposed to pronounce that, Parliament, announced it agrees to be sold to Yi. In the same release, Yi said, In a world where conservative opinions are considered to be controversial, we have the right to freely express ourselves. CEO George Farmer said, This deal will change the world and change the way the world thinks about free speech he is making a groundbreaking move into the free speech media space and will never have to fear being removed from social media again parliament then doxed numerous verified users and investors

Starting point is 01:37:18 by cc'ing instead of bcc'ing the announcement apparently it's yay, not ye. Is it yay? Wait, what? Oh, really? Wait, so it's yay, but they're called yeezys? They would be yeezys now. They'd be yeezys. I'm concerned we're getting trolled.

Starting point is 01:37:45 It's yay like Kanye. Yeah, that's what I thought. Yay. It's yay then. So they're yeysies? Oh, wait. That's not what I thought. Kanye? Kanye-weest? There is some conjecture that yay, alright, sorry, might be getting played for a sucker

Starting point is 01:38:04 by Parliament technologies. TechDirt noted that Parler has around 50,000 daily active users and that the Twitter for people removed from Twitter, it has a limited audience that is now split between multiple social networks like Parler and Truth Social. They have apparently been trying to offload Parler for some time, but have demanded very high prices. Ye has recently garnered controversy after being spotted wearing a White Lives Matter shirt

Starting point is 01:38:36 and going on tirades on social media and making false statements regarding George Floyd's death, along with other rants. There are some discussion questions here, but frankly, I don't think we're going to get into any of them. Discussion question A, what is a free speech media platform? Discussion question B, are you a yay stan or a hater? C, would you ever invest in a social media platform? Which one? And, oh, actually, D's pretty good.

Starting point is 01:39:12 This is from James. Doesn't yay know that Elon plans to pardon most Twitter bans and bring back Trump, which would leave how many people on parlor? I'm thinking a big fat less than the 50 000 they have today apparently uh elon also plans to drop like i think it's like two-thirds of the twitter staff or something like that i thought it was three quarters three quarters wow so uh given actually you know what hold on a second if he actually does that and actually just like slashes the entire content moderation staff and Twitter turns into an even more toxic cesspool than it is today. Nice.

Starting point is 01:39:50 It might be a really good time to own Parler and be an alternative to it. Yeah, really fun one. I don't know. Maybe you mentioned this and I just didn't hear it but uh parliament part part i don't know whatever the the parent company uh docks numerous verified users and investors by cc'ing them instead of bcc'ing the announcement yeah that's great that is that is an a plus um we run a tech company move right there yeah sheesh A plus. We run a tech company move right there. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:40:28 Sheesh. Yeah. I don't have too much to say about this other than, hey, plants need water and float plane chat. Obama made my frogs gay too. Let's move on. Better pixels. Obama made my frogs gay too. Let's move on. Better Pixels, there's a report claiming that Google is reallocating resources from software to first-party hardware. This is from Ars Technica, a report from the information details changes Google CEO Sundar Pichai is making across the company, including cuts to divisions focused on software for non-Google devices and more resources for Google's first-party hardware divisions.

Starting point is 01:41:09 Why? Well, apparently Google views Apple as more of a threat than it has previously. Samsung is apparently in decline in many established markets, and Apple is topping U.S. market share at greater than 50% and global premium smartphone sales at 78% of the $1,000 segment. Google is worrying too that regulators might shut down its agreement with Apple to put Google search on iPhones. A loss of Google ads on iPhones would be apparently a major blow to Google's revenue. The effects may already be noticeable somewhere Some Wear OS watch users are reporting that Assistant no longer works on their device. Oh, genius. What the heck?

Starting point is 01:41:49 Apparently, Samsung, OnePlus, and Xiaomi are being singled out as premium Android partners, but many other manufacturers may not get the same attention. The discussion question here is, what effect will Google abandoning other Android partners have in the long run? I would say not good ones, because one of the biggest perceived problems with Android is the lack of long-term software support. And B, is it wise for Google to switch to a more Apple-like model? If you'd asked me five years ago, six, seven years ago, in the Nexus days, I'd have said, yes, it's extremely wise for Google to go more vertically integrated. If you asked me today, I would say that sounds like a terrible idea.

Starting point is 01:42:29 They have proven time and time again that they just can't handle it, for lack of a better way of putting that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know i in my opinion the quality level of a lot of google's hardware was best when they didn't make it uh yikes like the nexus devices sorry i go. Um, the Nexus devices were sweet. The Pixel devices almost immediately started to go a little bit downhill. Yeah. Um, I don't remember a Nexus device not being good though. I mean, they weren't perfect.

Starting point is 01:43:22 They were, no, but they were cheap. Yeah. Yeah. They were really great for how cheap they were. So if you go in not expecting them to be the absolute best thing on the market, but to very likely be the best thing in that price segment, they were really good. I don't know. As a Pixel person, I have been disappointed over the last few years.

Starting point is 01:43:45 More than few years i guess yeah i'm not too surprised i we've been hearing for quite a while about how apple's market share has been increasing increasing increasing you wonder who they're taking that from it's like well probably probably windows phone that's for sure yeah yeah exactly so yeah yeah i don't know i think it's time for us to get to some merch messages what do you think sure let's do it okay that sounds good to me hit it dan well i'm gonna get there um okay this is from Garrett. Linus, Ubisoft sent out an email today

Starting point is 01:44:26 that they are bringing Anno 1800 consoles and are having people try it out. Are you going to try Anno 1800 on a console? Yeah, while I'm at it, I'm going to play some Warcraft 2 on PlayStation 1. Excellent. Technically a thing that you can do. That sounds like a terrible time.

Starting point is 01:44:44 But very, very stupid. Yeah, I feel like you should really play it on a computer. Yeah. Wow. I feel like it would be hard. I'm glad the franchise is getting this kind of support from Ubisoft. I'm glad that it's successful. It really is a very different gaming experience than almost any other quote-unquote RTS.

Starting point is 01:45:06 It's a really cool game. I don't see why it needs to be on console. It already runs really well on PC. You can run it on integrated Intel graphics. If anything, it's poorly optimized for high-end hardware, but it does really well on low-end hardware, like low details. I don't see why this needs to be on console. I think playing high-difficulty be on on console i think playing high difficulty

Starting point is 01:45:26 ano on console would be really hard um yes just with how fast you can get things done because a lot of at a lot of times you're kind of fighting against the clock in that game um yeah you got to make decisions quickly and you have to make them very well you have to do emergencies everything's on fire you know that kind of thing pirates are coming like there's there's stuff going on you have to react really fast hopefully do a really good job of it um because more fans of anna would be more cool uh but yeah it sounds really tough conrad says uh starcraft 64 it's a good example yeah maybe maybe not uh this one's from tyler uh hey linus what are your next plans for your smart home?

Starting point is 01:46:07 I have been following your journey and using it to avoid issues you had or take ideas that worked well. Oh, well, one of the things I really need to figure out is what switches. Inivelli is apparently still working on their motion sensing switch. So hopefully that'll come sometime in the new year and I can replace those GE JASCO ones. JASCO did ultimately do the right thing in release firmware updates, but I'm still having a lot of just general bugginess with them. So I would like to just wholesale replace them at this point. And Inovelli's new upcoming switch uses millimeter wave for presence detection, which is apparently a lot more accurate than motion sensing. So with that swap out

Starting point is 01:46:50 done, I think that the next goal would be motion sensing and timed light intensity throughout the house. Because right now it's like you're're it's cool to walk around and all futuristic like lights just magically turn on as you're walking around the house but the brightness is almost never correct so you end up touching the light switch a lot anyway and it would be really nice to be able to schedule that kind of stuff um i'd say that's the next big one also i still have not even touched those eco bees that are alongside the American Standard thermostats in all the locations. So I'm going to need to figure out now that it's getting chilly for the winter how to make sure that the heat and the cool are not fighting with each other. So that's going to be a project for Jake, realistically.

Starting point is 01:47:40 But I will have to assign it to Jake. So that's my role. Someone pointed out you can plug in keyboard and mouse to consoles these days I don't know how many people do that I'd be really interested to know how sounds like a good video for your new gaming channel maybe not how do you pull those people though

Starting point is 01:48:06 because it's not going to be it's not going to be like putting up a poll on floatplane chat is is not going to accurately answer that question at all now that we know that 15 of them lie yeah um but but but even then like you're you're pulling the wrong group of people um you'd need a wider group of non-technical people to get a more accurate answer on how many people are going to play on keyboard and mouse dang zing wow what did you just call console people non-technical people no hot take hot take luke i didn't i was i was saying that we have a concentrated audience of technical people here and

Starting point is 01:48:48 to find out how people game on console, you'd have to ask non-technical people. To find out how people game on computers, you'd have to do the same thing. Because if you pulled the flip-plane audience, if you pulled the flip-plane audience, No, you're cancelled.

Starting point is 01:49:08 Honestly, console players are probably less technical than computer players That just wasn't my point If you wanted to figure out the resolution of monitors that people had on Steam and you pulled the float plane audience It's gonna be wrong because you'd have to find the delays no the delay is over chat's exploding the average steam user which is not the average person floatplane chat it's a problem the sample size is is wrong and you're also saying that they have lower iqs as well oh my goodness luke how could you oh and and they're and they're ugly you gotta stop texting me this stuff off the show you can't you're just adding fuel to this fire i can't and their moms are ugly well i mean that makes sense i mean if they're ugly their moms are ugly. Well, I mean, that makes sense. I mean, if they're ugly, their moms are probably ugly.

Starting point is 01:50:06 It's got to come from somewhere. Shall we move on before this becomes an issue? We don't want to be trending on Twitter again. Yeah. This one's from Ian. Good evening, guys.

Starting point is 01:50:18 Love the channel and all you do. My wife and I are expecting our first. Congrats. Can't wait to play Space Kids in DOSBox with a little one in my lap just like my dad did with me what gaming memories do you have and want to share recreate with your own kids you know what i actually went through this pretty recently

Starting point is 01:50:36 there's this um i think it's called pc emu pc pcn uh it's a pc emulator and it allows you to actually emulate like a Windows 95, Windows 98, older era CPU on a modern computer. And it's one of the only ways to play old like point and click adventure games from that time. And one of the games that my kids actually had a blast playing is called Mixed Up Mother Goose. And game experiences like that simply do not exist anymore. I think they're just kind of considered too lo-fi for today. And it was really cool seeing them play and enjoy the exact games that I was playing back in like 1993 or whatever, back when that came out um there's actually a lot of those kinds of games that was how at least two of my siblings learned

Starting point is 01:51:31 to read was these interactive uh computer like books um the george shrinks was one of the ones that we had and there's a paper copy of it obviously but we we also had the digital one that would read it to you and you could kind of interact with the illustrations on the pages. Yeah, I think that's one that I was able to successfully share and recreate. But I think that, you know, in line with what we were talking about earlier on the show, that may not be an option for kids that are growing up today. Their gaming experiences might be not irretrievable yeah i mean what gaming memories do you have something that i really deeply enjoyed was morowind talked about morowind a lot i know uh morowind was

Starting point is 01:52:23 a game that my dad and I played a lot. No one else, like my brother didn't really care. He wasn't that into it. But my dad and I played a bunch and I've told this story before but I didn't realize that I had never actually started the main quest until we were like, we had never bought a player's

Starting point is 01:52:39 guide before. But the internet was in its infancy still. Player's guides were expensive, man still those guys were expensive man and they were expensive i never bought one and it's still the only game i've ever bought one for um but i don't know what really compelled us to do it but at one point we were just like there's clearly a lot to this game we're clearly missing a ton let's check out a player's guide and we did and we got one uh and then immediately figured out that there was a main quest and we just had no idea it existed because you could sell the item that started the main quest so i just sell it every

Starting point is 01:53:10 time i don't need this thing um and that turned into my dad and i like playing morrowind co-op style where one of us would be piloting the character and we'd trade back and forth all the time it wasn't like just me all the time or anything um one of us would be piloting the character and we'd trade back and forth all the time. It wasn't like just me all the time or anything. Um, one of us would be piloting the character and the other one would be reading from the player's guide and figuring out like, what should we go do next? And the player's guide was written in a really, really cool way. Um, like it's, it was genuinely really well written where they would keep spoilers out of things and they would keep context and information at the end of what they were talking about.

Starting point is 01:53:50 Um, and they, they communicated that to you at the beginning of the player's guide. So they made it very clear that like, there's going to, if, if, if you're looking up,

Starting point is 01:53:58 like you can use it in a way that if you see some cave or, or if you read through the player's guide and it's like oh there's a cave here and you didn't know that was there or something you could use it to get you there and then you could explore it on your own and then you could check with the player's guide to make sure you got everything so it may it tried to make it so that you were still exploring the world on your own but you could use the player's guide to make sure that you weren't missing entire whole experiences like the whole main quest. And my dad and I playing Morrowind is probably one of, if not genuinely, my favorite memory of gaming. But I'm not going to share that.

Starting point is 01:54:35 If I had a child, I'm not going to share that with my child. It's not going to be the same way. So I don't know. I have no idea. Okay. Let's have a look. This one's from Ryan. Hi, Linus.

Starting point is 01:54:48 Did you test IOPS on the $1 million server? Also, will we ever be able to buy your blanks? I prefer plain tees and quality ones are hard to find, especially in non-bland colors. Well, now that I only shoot blanks, I'd say that it should be pretty easy to get one if you really want hey sorry i'm sure you meant it's hard to procreate as a piece of cardboard isn't it it is it's challenging your rest could make paper babies um yes we do plan to make the blanks

Starting point is 01:55:21 available i think that uh our our costs have actually gone up on t-shirts. We've stubbornly maintained them at $19.99 throughout all of the price increases that have gone on over the last five years. So what I think will happen is we will continue selling our printed tees at $19.99, but we are going to absorb some of that additional cost by also selling the blank tees at the same price, which I think is a perfectly good price for a quality shirt like the one that we have finally, finally found and made. So it's going to not really yield any kind of savings for you, but yes, you will be able to buy a blank tee. And it'll just be all different colors. I think actually, they're going to sell really, really well, because they're great

Starting point is 01:56:11 shirts. And not everybody wants like a tech picture or slogan on their shirt. Especially on weekends, actually, I often reach for my blank, because I just don't want to walk around like and have be even more recognizable than I was. So 1999 is here to stay. Also, actually, I just realized we never addressed this. A lot of people asked if floatplane is planning to increase pricing in light of, you know, Netflix cracking down on multi users, YouTube increasing pricing for premium? The answer is no. At our scale, we have not felt the need to do anything like that. And especially as long as the platform is growing, that's one of the things that I actually addressed in the YouTube should charge for 4K video, is that the issue is that the proliferation of content has outpaced

Starting point is 01:57:02 membership growth. But Floatplane has actually seen a huge surge in membership recently between the Call Me Chris collab, the really great behind-the-scenes content that we've been doing, the better image quality, and the fact that Wanshow was missing for a few hours last week. Apparently drove about 500 of you to sign up for Floatplane, which is hilarious. Got to get that fix.

Starting point is 01:57:25 But Floatplane is growing like crazy right now to the point where it's like you know dang why aren't there more creators on floatplane i don't understand it it's like actually a really it's really good but whatever i can't i can only make the horse to water i can't make it drink yeah oh yeah okay we've got another one here from anonymous how's daily driving the new airpod pros oh they're great uh if anything the active noise cancellation is too good i used to be able to like at least hear my kids if they really needed my attention and now I just really can't when I just have them in a noise canceling. So it's blissful, actually.

Starting point is 01:58:09 And they're even better for sleeping than the old ones. I'm super happy with them so far. I hope they don't develop the same driver rattle that my previous two pairs of AirPods Pro ones did. That's always a possibility, I guess. This one's from Louis. My brother wants to know if you would consider making a cologne yeah we're gonna call it gamer sweat it's coming next year I uh I'm kidding it's not happening Luke I see the look on your face

Starting point is 01:58:37 okay I'm disappointed Linus um I don't know like we could but it's it's one of those it always comes down to that question that i always talk about what are we contributing you add yeah what value are we adding here that are there not enough smells to choose from is there not enough toilet water in the world i just i mean you could take that same approach to uh t-shirts and things like that you know well no i think our t-shirts actually have a reason for existing you know like that like the commenter said it's actually really hard to find a decent quality shirt that doesn't suck that's fair i've been violently impressed with all your merchandise yeah there's there's me being a corpusciole.

Starting point is 01:59:27 But no, it's surprising how good quality it is. Well, the thing is that it's surprising how little it costs to make something good. Like you can make something crap for $6 and you can make something really good for $7.50. And people go to the $6 option all the time. It's crazy. it is amazing how often people choose the six dollar option it drives me crazy it shouldn't be a business model that makes you stand out to spend the extra dollar 50 to make it twice as good like i just don't get it but here we are yeah it's uh it's very strange it makes me feel bad for uh having bought things

Starting point is 02:00:07 before and then just being bad you should make i would do a deodorant before i would do it before i would do cologne you should make gamified deodorant that'd be cool like you have to wear it every day or you like lose points or some somehow yeah it so it has to like the lid has to come off Every day or something Smart deodorant They're just going to bought that You're not going to win Like RuneScape deodorant

Starting point is 02:00:34 Here's one from Daniel Linus Hold on Anthony is suggesting scents For the cologne or deodorant We've got new electronics Magic smoke, dusting day, chiller coolant,

Starting point is 02:00:48 and RTX 2080 Ti foam, packing foam. I want one that smells like exploded capacitors. You know, that burnt electronic smell. Yeah, magic smoke. Magic smoke smell. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 02:01:00 Yeah. I would definitely wear that. Anyway. Yeah, I mean, mean make that make it as a joke uh linus have you ever felt limited by not having a college degree related to tech what if what if you did what if you did uh like a ltd store discount if you actually and we'd have to find some way to track it and i don't necessarily know how but you get like an ltd store discount or like a free full-plane subscription or something if you if you actually use the deodorant are you talking about iot that internet of things deodorant

Starting point is 02:01:35 because the whole thing is just getting nerds to actually wear it because that that's that's the problem right no no that's easy because you would just make the deodorant a subscription. And if they cancel this, if they have the subscription, they're either using it or they are accumulating copious amounts of deodorant. And I know a lot of nerds and geeks and I think that we're all about min-maxing, right guys? So I don't think it's min-maxing to accumulate piles of deodorant. So if you're going to buy it, I think you'll use it.'t think it's min maxing to accumulate piles of deodorant so yeah if you're gonna buy it i think you'll i think you'll use it i think you'll use it if you're gonna get it in the mail anyway so that could work that could work we just have

Starting point is 02:02:14 a subscription service for deodorant oh we conrad conrad just said in the very bottom under all the there's a generated discount code genius yes that's pretty good because yeah you can actually you can be a butt and you could like cut it off but that's that's loser mentality i don't think they will yeah i don't think they will yeah you could and the completionist in them won't allow that shortcut yeah it's lame you gotta actually use it and get down to it. Oh, that's pretty sweet. That's actually pretty good. We got to give Conrad like more creative time because these are some solid ideas here. He comes up with good stuff.

Starting point is 02:02:54 We should have a brainstorming session like the end of every WAN show. Yeah. Finding some way to incentivize actually using it, I think would be something that would bring something to the space you know um i would uh i would definitely call it like the gamer hygiene line of products yeah yeah we'll try and we're gonna try and take back that word yeah yeah make it a make it a good thing uh yeah yeah i was i was listening to something recently

Starting point is 02:03:29 uh what was it i don't remember and it was someone who had gone to like a twitch twitch con or something like that um and they they mentioned that they remembered a specific fan and the fan was like oh why like how do you remember me where i just like took a photo with you and they were like oh yeah you you didn't stink like man come on oh that's hilarious you know what well then it wasn't bad well then actually genuinely we did specifically call out on when show that we were going to kick people out for not wearing deodorant, though. But yeah, I don't know. I think that's something that we could bring to the space.

Starting point is 02:04:14 And then, yeah. Cool. Okay. All right. You know what? I'm sold. I'm sold. It took until we came up with the offer code at the bottom of the bar. But I'm actually pretty into it now.

Starting point is 02:04:29 That's sweet. Nice. Cool. Alright. Next up. Hey, I think this is our last merch message. This one's from Daniel. Linus, have you ever felt limited by not having a college degree related to tech? What would be

Starting point is 02:04:44 your advice for a recent grad with a liberal arts or social science degree who find themselves more interested in tech? Ooh, I wish I could give you your advice about that liberal arts degree four years ago. Four years ago. Sorry, I don't mean to dunk on poor daniel b here literally poor because school debt um it's my name hey yeah is this from you dad no i can't afford to buy anything d store.com oh wow not during work hours uh no yeah so have i felt limited by not having a college

Starting point is 02:05:32 degree related to tech no i i haven't in any way if anything um i'm i'm pretty proud of getting to where i am uh without the degree i don't think that there's anything wrong with getting a degree. I think that a lot of really smart people pursue the piece of paper and it can totally be beneficial. My wife and I are actually just like classic one forked left, one forked right in the game of life cases where she went hard at the degree and it worked out great. And I went hard at not the degree and it worked out great. think the the takeaway there is not that you should or shouldn't get a degree or even that it matters what kind you got liberal arts it uh science whatever i think the the takeaway is if you hustle and if you get a little bit lucky you can succeed um and if the the advice would be be a sponge learn lots and i think that

Starting point is 02:06:29 i talked about this a little bit recently when i was talking about my badminton coach who could coach anyone he felt like and has no shortage of clients lining up to pay him is be the most fun one to teach um work so hard to learn from every mentor you can find with anything to teach you. That's the most, that's the best feedback I can give you. Because there's so much learning to be had out there for free just by being a sponge. Yeah. And honestly, if the part of tech that you're interested in getting into, or if this is at least a possibility for you, part of tech that you're interested in getting into, or if this is at least a possibility for you, um, is, is software development. There is an immense amount of ways that you can learn software development, uh, online without going to some form of, um, formal secondary education

Starting point is 02:07:17 or post-secondary education. Um, so no problem. And lots of people will hire on your ability instead of your education in the software development space. Lots of people. Yeah, I know you basically only look at portfolios. Hey, Luke? When they're available. I would prefer to look at a portfolio. A lot of people don't have them. A lot of people that have been working in the space for a long time won't have them because they've been working for companies and the companies aren't publishing their code. So yeah, but if you're starting from nowhere and

Starting point is 02:07:49 you have a portfolio you can show to people, awesome. If you've contributed to open source projects so people can see it actually like working in the wild, that's huge. Just yeah, start making stuff and be able to show examples of stuff that you've made when i'm looking for people to do development on websites and they can send me a thing that's like here's the websites that i have made and i go look at them and they're made well it's a pretty good sign um so yeah i don't know oh uh conrad says we've realized today there's a bug where some shopify orders aren't having the merch message flag applied properly and thus not being submitted uh we'll have it fixed for next week sorry for the inconvenience uh okay well that's

Starting point is 02:08:37 a bummer in fairness to conrad i think this is the first time we've had a game-breaking bug with merch messages and if it's going to be fixed in a week um youtube's uh super chats feature is literally still broken luke i just checked it again i saw a super chat come through earlier in the show and i just clicked the viewer activity tab and it isn't in there so um you know yeah conrad let down the team this week but in fairness is uh orders of magnitude better than the entirety of alphabet it's also i guess it's also like a side project for conrad he does all of the work for ltd stores uh like web development as well um and there's been there was a pretty huge push to push the new theme and then there's been reacting to feedback from the theme and push the new theme and then there's been reacting

Starting point is 02:09:25 to feedback from the theme and all this type of stuff going on so yeah i'm sure he'll he'll get to it thanks comrade yeah appreciate you all right i think that's it for the show today we will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye and then wait nope we gotta run the thing i got it hold on oh he's got it okay did you run the right one you clicked it in the dashboard uh no you're in the stream after the thing was there no queue is that why

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