The WAN Show - YouTube Copyright OUT OF CONTROL - WAN Show Feb 15, 2019

Episode Date: February 19, 2019

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Oh Ladies and gentlemen boys and girls welcome back to the WAN show It's been another week which means you have to sit through another WAN show that is to say you want to sit through another WAN Show because no one is actually forced to sit through the WAN show except Luke. Yeah, and you and me. Yeah. Yeah. Have you heard this song? There's a song. I didn't think about it until you just did that intro. There's a someone made an electronic song recently You just did that intro there's a someone made an electronic song recently Using like our voices as some of the lines in the song and he intros the song with you introing the WAN show No, I have not heard the song he tweeted at your personal account. You should

Okay, I haven't actually looked at my personal Twitter and like I suspected kind of as much Probably a couple of weeks. Oh, so we someone just linked it in chat apparently people yeah nice okay give me just uh just a minute here i gotta get logged into floatplane so i can see our floatplane peeps one of the things one of the things we're going to talk about this week is youtube copyright being kind of kind of craziness yeah but actually a fairly positive story from it. At least a quick turnaround. So there's a couple of actual... So I was really... What I wanted to do was

explain the difference between a content ID match and a copyright strike. Because there seems to be a lot of confusion and there was... Was that a content ID match? There was a significant... Well, it depends which controversy you're talking about because there was a controversy we were wrapped up in

oh yeah i didn't know this yeah so we'll we'll get into that a little bit later exciting and then in terms of other topics i see uh james has been busy shooting the mono price gaming battle station video with me for the last couple of hours. So he's done very little actual preparation of the WAN show document today. But there's some stuff. But there is some stuff. Activision Blizzard laid off 800 people. Which is like, what, 10% of their staff? 8%, excuse me, pardon me.

So we'll talk about that. Despite making, as far as I know, very good profits. Yep, so we'll talk more about that later. And what else we got? A European link tax language has been finalized oh link taxes so youtube's copyright um enforcement is probably going to get more complicated as opposed to less complicated if all of that stuff goes through so this is closely related to the article 13 controversy that was going on a couple of months back. Article 13 stuff is still going on.

Oh yeah, yeah. Very much, very much still a thing. This is just, sorry, I mean it was, it kind of reached a fever pitch a couple of months ago. The Article 13 pitchforks are pretty important for me, so keep them up if you wouldn't mind. Yeah, if you want to make Luke's job not, like,

phenomenally way more difficult. It's going to, the biggest problem, in my opinion, even though I'm trying to become a platform, I still think the biggest problem, in my opinion, is for creators. Because it's going to increase the wall for creators coming into the market. It's going to make creators lose their jobs. Because it's going to be harder for the platform. It's going to make creators lose their jobs because it's going to be harder for the platform. It's going to cost more for the platforms to support themselves,

meaning it's going to be harder for the creators. So we'll talk about it in more detail later. First, the intro. I saw this coming and I don't know why. The way you said the intro, I was like, he's not going to click it right away. I don't know why. I have no idea

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Like what? Why are we? What even is this? What? Why are we? What even is this show about? Why are we supporting these guys? I don't even know. All right. All right. So the first thing I want to jump into is actually the, we're going to do, wow.

We're going to do the title topic right now. Yeah. It's amazing. This has never been done before. Probably first in a while. So I'm going to try and find it on the forum. I'm not logged into the forum. There's reasons for that.

Basically security, privacy reasons for that. Yeah. But it just makes it harder for me to find this particular thread. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, seriously? Oh man, what was the search term? I think it had, I'm pretty sure it had strike

and Linux in the thread somewhere. So let's go ahead and let's go ahead and find that puppy. Actually, do we wanna talk about the, you know what, let's talk about what happened to Kyle first. So Kyle's our bud. You know what, we'd first. Kyle won, yeah. So Kyle's our bud. You know what? We'd be on team Kyle regardless of, you know, whether he was

right or not. Just kidding. We wouldn't actually. If Kyle was wrong, we would say he was wrong. We have that kind of relationship. We'd be like, Kyle and Lyle, y'all are both wrong, so y'all need to just back down. You know? Anyway, so here's what happened. I should preface this by saying it has been resolved.

Yeah. So here's a tweet from Kyle from two days ago. Good news and update. My counter notification to Vox's claim was reviewed by YouTube in my favor. The reaction video is back up. So a couple of months back, Kyle posted a video on his BitWit YouTube channel, also on Floatplane, reacting to The Verge's... Should we call it a PC building guide?

It also never came off of Floatplane. But yeah. It's a whole separate conversation. We'll get to that later. So to The Verge's PC building guide that was just phenomenally poorly done. It turned into just an instant legendary level meme. You don't use tweezers and a Swiss Army knife to build your computer?

And I never wear a Livestrong bracelet, regardless of whether I'm wearing a computer or building a computer. On your ankle or your wrist. It just contained a ton of, at best, dubiously correct information. And- I hope your computer case has rubber feet below the power supply or else you might, you know, you might get shocked.

Yeah, it was really, really poorly done. Anyway, so he went into this character that he calls Lyle because fun fact, Kyle is half Asian, which I actually didn't know until at one point. I'm super tactful. We're like at dinner. I'm like, so what ethnicity are you? Because I just couldn't tell.

In fairness to me, he's mixed. So it's not like I was, you know, if I was going to guess, you know, pure blood anything, then I was going to be wrong regardless. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, he's like no I'm half Asian like oh okay cool anyway so that's why he's allowed to do this character which for anyone else to do would be incredibly racist so he's this sort of he has this kind of heavily Chinese accented lyle character that he uses to kind of provide broken english feedback

on various things in this case he he did a reaction to the verges pc building guy it's actually very funny uh no offense to anything else kyle's ever done but it was by far the best video he's ever created bar none i mean it helps that the source material that he was working with was comedy gold absolute gold and he all he had to do was platinum plate it and it was just like yeah wow this is just this is quality right now um look and if you're interested in good it is back up on his youtube channel or it never went off of his flow play yes thank you for bringing that up for the second time um whatever your name is like i got you yeah that's that should be your alternate character kook i don't know what accent you can do though i have no nothing politically correct that's for sure yeah um okay so in the day so let's go back in time again in the days

following the verge's original upload there was just massive backlash throughout the pc building community uh we mostly i, stayed out of it. I think we posted a couple tweets, just kind of tongue-in-cheek. But lots of people, not just Kyle, quite a few people posted video responses. There was some pretty in-depth discussion on our forum about it, just because it was so bad. Anyway, The Verge stood by it for a while that was weird which was what made it far worse if they had just said hey we were wrong because honestly rather than make fun of them

my first outreach to them was hey do you want some help do you guys want to collaborate to take another shot at this um and i uh and they just never replied. So they never replied to just an earnest offer of help. And then they doubled down. And the, the, the, the creator of the video in particular said some pretty stupid stuff on Twitter.

I don't remember any of the particulars cause it was a while ago, but just basically defending it like, oh, yeah, well, you know, we fixed those things after the video. Like, don't call it a guide, man. It's not a guide if it's broken at the end. It was like actually problematic because it was a guide,

which added a lot of problems. It wasn't like, hey, I'm building a computer. You want to watch? It was, this is how. If they had made mistakes in the context of doing like an IRL Twitch stream. Yeah. Which we saw very recently. Everybody has, everybody does something for the first time and doesn't do it perfectly at some point. Believe it or not. Like if you've ever watched me do anything related to my car,

you'll know. You'll know what's up. I don't think you have, but have but it's bad it's a bad scene i'm bad with that kind of stuff yeah or like watching me use tools i mean you wouldn't know you're just as bad as me but our audience our audience knows what's up i used a lot of them for the first time with you yeah do you remember this do you remember the tape the tape protection. Oh, Lord. It's a good thing we both still have both of our eyes. Yeah. That's true. So what made it worse was just not acknowledging the problems and doubling down. And then making it even worse than that.

Here we are these months later. Everyone has kind of forgotten about it. Yeah, The Verge did eventually pull their video. Yeah. are these months later so everyone has kind of forgotten yeah the verge did eventually pull their video yeah not before they like hid the like dislike bar hid comments like they tried everything to keep it up but eventually they were just like yeah this is probably a problem and pulled it down then what happened is uh earlier was it earlier this week what's the actual date on this uh is earlier, was it earlier this week?

What's the actual date on this? February 12th. February 12th, they issued a copyright strike. So they issued a DMCA takedown request for Kyle's video. So not only did Vox Media, the owner of The Verge, go and have the video removed from their own channel, which is well within their right to do, go and have the video removed from their own channel, which is well within their right to do and probably for the best. They went out and they submitted a takedown request for Kyle's video. Now, here's the problem with that. Were you keeping track of what was going

on with Ethan Klein and that reaction video that he posted that he ended up taking all the way to court? It's been a bit, but I watched all of the lawyers' videos on it, and I watched theirs. Sorry, for those who... H3H3. Oh, yeah. There's a podcast and stuff.

Anyway, Ethan Klein, H3H3. Anyway. What happened there, and I'm a little rusty on the details, but So what happened there, and I'm a little rusty on the details, but basically what happened was H3H3 used to upload a lot more just kind of, what do I call them? They'd, like, watch a video and, like, cringe at it, basically.

Yeah, reaction, like, takedowns, like, just, like, where they just kind of crap on the original video creator. And so what happened in that case, and I forget what the name of the person who issued the takedown was, and it doesn't matter because screw that guy. We're not going to talk about that guy. Good call.

But he got upset because Ethan was mean to him. And in his defense defense Ethan was pretty mean And it was like some of those videos from back then used to be pretty brutal Yeah, like just kind of unnecessary, but I guess it gets views so cool Anyway, he got mad and he was like well hold on a second Ethan's video Contains a ton of my copyrighted material I should be able to DMCA take down that because it's got my content in it

The issue is that there's a little thing called fair use so Ethan's defense was well look um this is fair use because I am critiquing it I am So there's four there's basically four fair use factors. So you can use someone else's copyrighted material as long as you can, you can defend your sort of fair use, use of it. Now the problem is that fair use is a really gray and nebulous part of copyright law. part of copyright law. It's not as simple as like if you meet criteria's XYZ and Omega you qualify as fair use and there are some guidelines so you'll

notice for example I forget what the actual number of seconds is but news shows will often limit the amount of source material that they use to like 10 seconds or something along those lines. But that's not the law. Cause like consider if you just posted like a half hour video that someone else made and every 45 seconds you went good. That's not really transformative.

That's not really like, it's not really a review. So like where is the hard line? It's a very hard line to actually place. So there's a number of things. There's the amount and the substantiality of the content that has been reused. So that's why news programs will take like 10 seconds because then it's not the whole thing. It's pretty easy to argue. There's the purpose and character of the use. Does it have its own purpose for existing? character of the use. Does it have its own purpose for existing? There's the nature of the copyrighted work. So if it was something along the lines of a let's

say an instructional video and you were to go ahead and take each step of the instructions, have it be up on screen running in its entirety and go that seems like a good idea. Like kind kinda like what Luke was saying, then that would sort of affect whether or not that would be considered fair use. And then finally, there's the effect upon the works value, which is closely related where if I were to create this, my video, commenting, good job original video creator, every once in a while while it plays,

would that affect their ability to monetize that content probably so you so you can end up with a really solid fair use argument for utilizing all kinds of content like movie review channels rely heavily on fair use because in a lot of cases they'll have 5, 10, 15 minutes of unedited like Hollywood movies playing on the channel but the reason they can get away with that is that they are reusing it for the purpose of critique they are commenting on it and it doesn't affect the ability of that Hollywood studio to monetize that content because no one is watching that review and going, oh, I have fully enjoyed all the nuances of the editing, cinematography, soundtrack, acting, and story.

It's not like that. So it's highly transformative. It's for critique or review, which is generally pretty well protected by fair use. The nature of the copyrighted work here is movie, so that's very separate from how it's being used, and the effect on the work's value is arguably very little. Now, the problem with all of that is it's all gray, and fair use, rather than being just a hard and fast law, is an argument that you have to defend in court. So if someone issues a DMCA takedown, the only way to dispute it, if you say, no, this is fair use,

and they say, um, actually it's not, is to take them to court and have the courts agree with you. So now, this has been a very long story. We're finally coming back to the issue with H3H3's critique video of this weird guy's video that he uploaded that was dumb. He won, basically. So even though he had uploaded almost the entire original video and was just kind of interspersing his reactions to it, that was still considered critique and it was still considered transformative. just kind of interspersing his reactions to it,

that was still considered critique and it was still considered transformative. A reaction video was deemed to be original content, even though it was heavily dependent on the original copyrighted work. All right. So, how does this figure into Kyle's thing? Basically, Vox Media pulled a full douche move here and issued a DMCA takedown for what has been maybe not proven,

but at least preliminarily tested by the courts to be a fair use rebroadcast of a copyrighted work. And the only reason I can think of that they would do that, aside from just being embarrassed and acting out of sort of like initial knee-jerk reaction, which they clearly didn't because it's been a couple months. It's been a while, yeah. Is either because they are ignorant

of this sort of pre-existing case or because they are just trying to bully and intimidate a much, much smaller outfit into just not disputing it because they're afraid that if they do dispute it, the next step is court fees. Neither of those are great. And honestly, I mean, I can't speak to the mindset of the executives at vox media or whoever it is that ultimately um decided to do this but my gut feeling is that they were just going pure intimidation factor because i can i can tell you guys as

someone who was a much smaller like we're at a point now where if someone came after us, like an H3, we could say, okay, see you in court, buddy. Fine. If that's how it's gonna be, it's how it's gonna be. Let's do it. Let's dance. But there was a time when we weren't, and I remember getting these kinds of, you know,

strikes or content ID notices and being like, is this it? Is this the end of this company? Because that's what it would have been. It gets really scary. It's absolutely scary. And it's been happening to people where it has resulted in being the end of them

in regards to being a content creator. So- Or at least on that platform. Basically- Apparently The Verge has an official response do they really yo uh no yolo snail i do not think we have seen their oh i would love to see do you want to do you want to fire that up while uh while i go ahead and try to find it yeah yeah i was going to finish up a couple thoughts so so basically this leaves the the the dmca takedown system open to abuse by copyright owners

who just want to, in some cases, just remove something that they don't like. So here's one. PewDiePie got copyright striked because a Twitch streamer took offense. There was one YouTuber who was extorted for money through bogus copyright strikes. And that's funny. Even not through YouTube system, we had some copyright holder for some like

classical sheet music in Germany come after us demanding, I think it was like $10,000 or something stupid like that for a song that we used in a video that was actually from YouTube's music library. This was a couple of years back, a few years back. And I was super upset because I was like, okay, I don't really understand how this works. International music copyright law, crazy complicated because they're separate copyrights for the performance, for the original sheet music. And I was like, I was looking at it going, well, this is ridiculous because I'd be happy to pay some kind of fee because yeah, we did use the sheet music But ten thousand dollars or whatever it was like that's extortionate like we we made a fraction of that off the AdSense of the video And the sponsors that we inserted into it. How can you possibly expect me to pay you more than I made?

Well, then you shouldn't use the song in the first place. Ultimately. We just didn't pay because we kind of figured some rando holding company, like copyright holder in Germany, what are they going to ultimately do to us? Like fly their lawyers out here and like, come on, you got to be kidding me. And they didn't end up following it up. But we were, again, we were in a position where we could afford to take that risk. You want me to go ahead and screen share you? Sure. All right. It's basically a big wall of text. So there isn't a ton for you guys to look at, but what they're saying is the legal team, Vox Media's legal team, who was very diligent and protective of their work,

was made aware of some PC video reaction stuff and file take-downs. Did not meet our standards and had... Oh, oh, oh, that, sorry. So they pulled their stuff. Okay, cool, cool. Yeah. Okay, I misread that.

Cool. Yeah, yeah, no, that comment was actually totally fine. Apparently it was two videos, as far as I know, said those two videos used 90 of our footage without any edits um cuts or other transformative use one in particular was featured what our legal team felt was a pretty racist character um okay so i can't necessarily disagree with that but it's also like none of your business but he didn't edit their footage, but I think in reviewing footage that's probably the more respectful thing to do, and he cut himself in, which is probably exactly what should have been done.

Anyways, there was also a complaint, I don't remember exactly where they said it, where everything could have been avoided if they just reached out to this person. How would I know to reach out to Nylee Patel? Yeah. Okay. And besides, here's something, you know what? No, hold on a minute. Okay, Nylee.

Why didn't you reach out to Kyle if you had a problem? A lot of times, to be completely honest, and you don't wanna use it all that often, but being a creator, sometimes Twitter is like one of your most useful things because things don't get done. And then you tweet about it, then it gets done very fast. Or better yet, you could just, I guarantee Kyle has an email address on his YouTube channel that you can use to email him. 99% of the medium to large creators that I've been made aware of do have such a thing. I'm just, I'm curious now.

But anyway, I'm going to throw it back on your screen. So you're sharing. Yeah, so the specific quote about that part is, I want to address a situation around some YouTube copyright strikes since Retracted, which is true as far as I know, issued by The Verge and Vox Media that have gotten pretty toxic and could have been avoided if the parties involved had simply reached out to me directly. Again, there was the 90% of our footage

without any edits, cuts, or otherwise transformative use, and one of them featured a particular, that the legal team said was a particularly racist character. Again, I don't think anyone in any form of review would want to edit the original footage I don't think that's the point at all Kyle does not have an email on his YouTube page He does have an address though, and he does have his Twitter. So yep, you're right Twitter would have been the way to go here All right, pretty easy fair point. I bet you Nyle a has a Twitter Pretty easy. Fair point. I bet you Niall A. has a Twitter.

YouTube notified the two channels in question, said there was a chance our request wouldn't make it through, and our legal team asked our legal team for their case. Our team made the case. YouTube agreed the videos were not of fair use and issued the strikes. When this was brought to my attention a few hours later, I told them that although I fully

agreed with their legal argument, I did not think we should use copyright strikes against legitimate channels, even if we thought the videos crossed the line. And again, I fully agree with our legal team that these videos crossed the line of fair use. So basically they, wow. Okay. So basically they haven't learned anything. Yeah.

So here's the thing. Whether or whether or not, like, does this post actually say that their lawyers felt like the character was racist? Because that has nothing to do. It does, but I don't think that was a reason for the action. Okay. So I don't think it actually applies. It does say that. Our legal team felt this was not fair use, and... Oh, yeah.

Those two reactions... Oh, okay. What our legal team felt was a pretty racist character. Yeah, but you don't get to just let your personal sensitivities get involved in a legal issue. So whether or not it's fair use actually doesn't really have anything to do with whether you like the character being portrayed or not yeah also i mean there's a whole there's i mean we could have a whole conversation that i'm it's probably best that i personally stay out of about whether or not it's a racist character if the person happens to be

of at least partially the race that they are making fun of i mean are you going to tell me that like a jewish comedian is not allowed to make jewish mother jokes for example are you gonna are you gonna say that it seems pretty it seems like kind of a dumb thing to say. What does have strong evidence in here of straight up screenshot emails is, technically in here it doesn't say, because he blurred out his email, which is, or her, sorry, I don't actually know who this is,

but it blurred out their um their email so i'm not 100 sure it was them but that doesn't matter it looks like someone from a at voxmedia.com email account um retracted the copyright infringement so it wasn't youtube that agreed with kyle it was clearly someone from vox retracting uh the claim okay hold on a second meridian in the chat i gotta disagree with you an An Asian faking an accent of another Asian that can't speak English in the normal way is just as racist as if a white guy did it. Lulz, but that has nothing to do with legality here. It's actually not.

Racist is to do with race. Making fun of someone's accent, yeah, it's rude. It's really rude. Yeah, but there's... But it's not race. I rude yeah but there's but it's not race i guess with yeah with that art yeah so let's just let's just make sure that we're not getting our terminology wires crossed here it's not accent is where you're from yes or in some cases not even yeah because you could make my wife is not from canada most assuredly speaks with a West Coast Canadian accent. Like where you spent your formative years, most of your formative years? But to say that it would be like, yeah.

Anyways, again, the strikes were retracted at my specific instruction. That seems to be true. Not through any YouTube dispute process That seems to be true. Not through any YouTube dispute process also seems to be true. The Verge has written many times about the problems with YouTube's copyright enforcement mechanism, and I do not think it works well enough for us to use it in cases like this.

Okay. One thing I did not do was tweet about it, because I didn't think the nuance of this situation would lend itself to tweets, and also Are we still reading this garbage? Sure. Oh, man. And also, quite honestly, because I didn't think it was a big deal,

there were strikes and strikes were retracted. I assumed everyone would move on. Well, this article is not making it better. Just if you want my two cents, which you probably don't. Sending a strike... Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. If we have these words on screen,

is this fair use? Get the words off the screen! Ah! Ah! We used 90% of the words! Is my character racist? I don't know about that there, bud. Is that a racist character there, bud? Oh, we got a big problem there, bud.

I think the problem is you're just 10-ply, bud. Oh, no, bud. You want to go for a rip there, bud? Oh, jeez. Yeah, oh, man. 10 ply bud oh no bud you want to go for a rip there bud um oh geez yeah oh man i guess uh okay are we done here i mean we we can be um ah reading it out directly is is probably gonna be i don't know who knows knows? Yeah, that whole thing's too big. Okay, so what I was going to say is that there were strikes, the strikes were retracted thing. Yeah, but they weren't retracted immediately.

They were retracted very quickly. I will 100% give you that if you're watching, which you're probably not. But they weren't retracted immediately. And strikes are a direct attack on someone's income and stability. Three strikes and you are out. Kyle just bought a house.

Yo, he certainly did. This is scary. And strikes also immediately affect your channel. One strike and you can't live stream. Yeah. Just like that. Like it's a big problem. It's not okay.

Yeah. It's an attack. It is straight up an attack. And the other thing too is that there are alternatives To copyright to DMCA taking down something that don't result in a strike like doing the thing that you said at the beginning of Your article of reaching out directly to Kyle. Yeah, that's an option But I don't know. He's a pretty racist guy. They probably don't want to talk to him Well, well can be mean yeah, Lyle Lyle's a rude, dude

to him Lyle Lyle can be mean yeah Lyle Lyle's a rude dude um uh the Verge's YouTube channel has since been brigaded with dislikes and nasty comments and there are now death threats we have to think about here's one good luck staying alive the internet doesn't forget just to be super clear about that one 99 sure he's talking about the site and the YouTube channel, not you. Think you're okay. At least with that one. That's the only one shown here. So at least with that one. Oh, man.

Yeah. It was all pretty disappointing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Simply ask me about it. You should have asked him about it before attacking. I hope everyone involved can take a moment and think about making sure they actually know what they think they know, and the value of communicating directly instead of just simply reacting.

It's just, that was gold. The end of that was just gold. I just, I don't even think I need to talk about that part. That's just... That whole... Oh, man. Ending it with that was great. Thank you.

That was fantastic. Oh, man. I couldn't have... I don't even know. I couldn't have requested a better last paragraph. All right. So now let's move on to a controversy that I woke up to on the forum this morning.

I'm very interested in this because I have not heard of this. So this was posted by Firelighter487 on the forum. The Linux Gamer did a response video to, I actually didn't even know about this video until I found out about it reading about this this drama that I was embroiled in on the forum this morning. Anyway, did a response video to our Linux gaming finally doesn't suck video and then...

Oh, okay. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Can we jump back for a split second? Yes. Can you jump to my screen? I can. Apparently this is Nyle. Yeah, Oh, okay. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Can we jump back for a split second? Yes. Can you jump to my screen? I can. Apparently this is Nyle. Yeah, okay, cool. It's reckless. I knew his Twitter handle. I didn't actually know his name. What do you mean before any of it went sideways? Oh, it was pretty sideways by then. Her Earth to Strike on Wednesday. When was Kyle's original... tweet? Did Paul basically post on Twitter exactly what we just said?

You could have also just reached out to Kyle? Is that what I saw just there? Give me one second. Oh, boy. Yeah, you're still screen sharing. Is that cool? Yeah, I think we're fine. Okay, cool.

That's the float plane stream, by the way. Yeah. Hold on. I want to see what Paul said at the beginning here. This all could have been avoided if the parties involved had... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Love it. I love you, Paul. You're awesome! You're awesome dude!

Good job, Paul. But yeah, so apparently the strike was pulled back on Wednesday by Nyle. Yeah but It happened on Tuesday. That is really fast turnaround to be completely honest That might have been like right when he was made aware of it to be clear It might have been. That is quite fast turnaround. But it still happened. And, yeah, I don't know. Dude doesn't own Vox.

He's editor-in-chief of The Verge, and that was Vox Lawyers. So it might have happened completely unbeknownst to him. I don't remember exactly what he said about that in the article, but he might have literally said that. I don't know. But, yeah, we can move on. Now we can talk about... Important context context now we can talk about this video where the Linux gamer uploaded this

thing fullscreen claimed my Linus tech tips response video so basically some people were pretty upset some people kind of understood it, but a lot of people were drawing parallels to the situation between Vox Media and Kyle. Let's just have a look here. Some people were like particularly mad. Let's see if I can find any of that. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So sorry, wait, what happened?

So far this is mostly discussion of the content of his response video and whether our video was okay and whether, you know, whatever. Here's discussion of whether or not we have any kind of partnership with Fullscreen. Yes,

we joined the Fullscreen multi-channel network like four years ago. I forget what the point of it was. I think... Oh, no, I think I do remember. So we were actually... Twitch, for a very short period of time, actually had a YouTube MCN.

So we were partnered with them. And then they dissolved that. The girl who was in charge of it was there for six months and then just disappeared one day and I was like, oh, okay. Bye, I guess. Anyway, so we joined Fullscreen because some of our buddies, including Austin, were with Fullscreen at the time. They had a rep that was bringing them lots of deals and we were like, oh, yeah, sure, yeah, I guess we'll be on Fullscreen because some of our buddies, including Austin, were with Fullscreen at the time. They had a rep that was bringing them lots of deals and we're like, oh yeah, sure. Yeah, I guess we'll

be on Fullscreen too. And Fullscreen had like kind of a smooth talking, blowhard guy that was like, yeah, we're going to have like all the tech. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, cool. You're an idiot. But like, you know, whatever. My buds are on there, so sure, why not? Anyway, shortly after we joined Fullscreen, this rep who had been doing such a great job of bringing tech deals to other tech influencers left and, like, kind of went direct with those guys. And then we just, like, never got off it. Because it didn't really matter.

So here's something that you guys might not know. Once you decouple your account from so so okay just to clarify um wait i'm not sure if i can say the terms of the deal so i won't say what the terms of our deal with full screen are but i will say that we signed our deal at a time when mcms were much more hungrily trying to hoover up creators. And it was at a time when it was possible to get what's known as a 100% deal. So nowadays, my understanding is that the MCN takes anywhere from 5 or 10 or even more percent of your AdSense views. And in exchange, they're supposed to provide a bunch of services, including the one we're about to talk about, They're supposed to provide a bunch of services, including the one we're about to talk about, as well as bring you larger brand deals to more than make up for that gleaning that they do off the top. But we signed on at a time when it was possible that MCNs, just to have headline creators on their networks, were signing people to crazy deals where they didn't take any share whatsoever. So our deal, I can't tell you what the terms of it are, but I can say that it is such that it doesn't bother us in any meaningful way. And something that I didn't know

until I switched MCNs a couple times was that you actually lose all of your historical revenue data from your YouTube dashboard if you change your MCN, or if you get rid of your MCN and you go vanilla YouTube. So Techquickie and Channel Superfun, and actually TechLinked for that matter, and Linus Cat Tips, are all just directly YouTube partnered with no MCN. And then Linus Tech Tips is on the full screen network, but we do very little with full screen.

They bring us very little in terms of deals or anything. Almost an understatement. Okay, so anyway, there's some speculation in here that we aren't on the full screen network, we are, and there's also some speculation in here that they own us, which they most certainly do not. Yeah, that's not a thing. They like own us which they most certainly do not Yeah, that's that's not that's not a thing Linus Media Group Incorporated is entirely independent

And has no third-party ownership stakes in it whatsoever Okay, blah blah blah blah blah blah it's multi-channel network. Here's a video from game theorists good old game theorist good stuff Okay, blah blah blah blah blah blah and scan handle copyright. Okay, where's the people that are mad I think it like didn't happen till later Here we go. Um, I don't know what Ha ha misanthrope just so mad so mad about everything Okay Okay, whatever. You know what? I can't find it right now basically throat just so mad so mad about everything okay okay whatever you know what I can't find it right now basically people were upset because they really just didn't see oh that's great okay yeah fine there we go right there still

not a crime like perjury which is potentially what Linus did by bringing down this, by, uh, having a content ID claim against this video. What? Um, when did Linus lie under oath during a court hearing? Uh, for legal purposes, that's what a DMCA claim is. Lying under oath. A, no, it isn't but b um falsely reporting a crime is basically what he's saying but it was an automatic claim that was actually generated by youtube's own

content id system um and yeah so someone someone got it pretty right. Here we go. Spotty, thank you, Spotty, for this excellent post here. You seem to be misinformed. There is a huge difference between a copyright strike, a DMCA takedown, and a content ID claim. So copyright strikes come from DMCA takedowns like what Vox Media did with Kyle's video, where their lawyers get together, decide it's racist and not fair use, and contact YouTube and have that thing pulled.

Content ID is an automated system based on like machine learning and being fed a bunch of known content. That is. Which is mostly designed so that like if you have a bot that automatically downloads someone's videos and like reuploads them on your own channel, it's just gonna find that and be like, that's garbage and just clean that up. Yes.

And there's a big difference in what effect it actually has on the channel So a copyright strike results in your channel actually getting features pulled from it and potentially removed if you get enough of them like live streaming a Content ID claim what happens is you get a notification you get an email that you've received a content ID Claim and then you get the timestamp sometimes. You get the timestamps within the video that the content ID system has determined are a match

for someone else's copyrighted works. Then you get a chance to file a dispute. And I actually didn't know this particular aspect of it until last week, but this is cool. In the event that, oh, right, and what happens is the video actually stays up you keep all your views you keep your like dislikes your subscribers or whatever but the monetization of that video goes to the original copyright holder but this is something interesting if you dispute that claim within a pretty short period

of time and I don't I don't know if this is actually in YouTube's Terms of Service so I don't want to like someone told me so I don't want to nail them down on exactly what that is I don't know if they're gonna change it or whatever else but if you dispute it fairly promptly and it doesn't have to be like within the first hour or anything like that but pretty promptly what happens is that not only does the video not go away but you actually get to take that money back that was claimed by the copyright holder in the meantime you don't actually lose any of your revenue so content ID you have to be

pretty quick on that one it's like days yeah but like don't waste time yeah basically yeah so so content ID is actually a much more benign and less harmful way of dealing with this Then I think a lot of people necessarily Understand as evidenced by some of the reactions in the video here Or excuse me in the forum thread here because all you have to do is say no Actually, I own the copyright to this or no, this is fair use or excuse me in the forum thread here because all you have to do is say uh no actually i own the copyright to this or no this is fair use um again knowing though that they could come back

and say uh actually it's not fair and it's it's one clarification there is it's not youtube coming back it's it's them the original copyright holder filed it originally so if you're like hey this is actually fine they could just be like, nah. So there is that power imbalance there. Yes, but at the very least, they aren't striking you. And that's a really big difference because they're not damaging, okay, you might lose the money that you might have made

on that video, but what you don't lose is the ability to continue to run your channel. Yeah. So I think one of the reasons, and the reason for the title of this stream, which actually ended up being almost entirely about this. Yeah. One of the reasons that this is coming up so much right now

is that it is my belief, and again, I can't say who or where I might have gotten this idea from because I don't know if that hypothetical person is allowed to hypothetically tell me what i'm hypothetically about to repeat um okay but it is my understanding that youtube has recently made some changes to the content id system making it more sensitive um this is purely speculation on my part i have no evidence for this whatsoever but i would guess that part of this is

in preparation for the changes that are being made to the article 13 thing that's happening over in Europe. Ohhhhhhh So they are making Content ID more sensitive is my understanding of what's going on and this is the evidence that I have for that is that I am actually getting a ton of Content ID claims both ways. So I'm in sort of an unusual situation where I own two, well more, but two in particular, two YouTube channels that periodically borrow footage that was originally uploaded on the other. So

I actually woke up the other day with the tech quickie inbox full of content id claims from linus media group incorporated on the linus tech tips channel no son don't do that so that's actually hilarious oh my god so anyway back to the whole the linux gamer thing i didn't know about the content id claim i wouldn't have given two hoots if the video did exist i didn't even know about the i didn't know about the video until i woke up this morning and the content id claim not only had already been issued, but had already been retracted by the automated system. I don't remember where I was going with this. Basically, I gave no cares, didn't even know about it,

and it was already resolved before I was even aware that there was an issue. So sorry, tinfoil hat folks out there. Linus Media Group is not in the business of running around and issuing DMCA takedowns to people who criticize our work or create memes based on our content or otherwise transform what we do. We believe very, very strongly in the power of community. very, very strongly in the power of community. We have turned criticism of our content into new content, like what we did with Louis Rossman and his reaction video to our video card baking piece. One of my favorite videos on the internet is a guy named Nitro Blast.

You can find it on YouTube. Took a video of me. Nice douche. Just kidding. Took a video of me whipping a pair of headphones around and smacking them into the ground and then stomping on them and then Throwing them against the wall I don't if you remember that but it was for these like active wear earbud review that I did back in like 2013 Sure, and he put the stomping and the throwing against the garage door to

The Wii the original Wii soundtrack. It's hilarious. Just go to his channel, probably. This seems like more work than it's probably worth. There's like a hundred. Oh no, a hundred subscribers. That's it right there. This is it.

Luke sports tips. All right, here we go. It's hilarious. I love this video. You DMCAS s you're done son We're playing this video and you'll like it So the headphones fall out it's a hearing clip review So each one of like the throw and the stomp which which is behind your freaking notification, both have a sound effect.

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Yeah. So let's talk about it. I wanna talk about it. Do you wanna talk about it? Do you wanna do it? I wanna talk about it. You can cruise around and ask questions and I can talk about it?

Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. Okay, I'm doing it. But I don't want you to do it. Don't worry, I'm not gonna show it. I'm to talk about it. You can cruise around and ask questions and I can talk about it? Yeah, yeah. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. Okay. I'm doing it. But I don't want you to. Don't worry. I'm not going to show it. I'm not going to show it. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. I'm just going to sign in as whatever one of those. Oh, man. We were having a long conversation because, guys, we are feeling pretty good about low float plane right now. Yeah. Everyone in the float plane chat is spamming their early adopter emojis. Nice.

There's like 10 million pew pew planes in chat oh My god, there's also no rate limiting on the chat, so let's go fast Yeah, we need to we'll get that address that'll happen at some point. We'll get we'll get in touch with night Okay, we'll get get some night bot support going on here. It's gonna take some time though gonna take some time Oh shoot this not work. What's going on here? I? Thought I'd blame the emojis called puke you so Are you on the no you're on the wrong thing? Oh right? Sorry. I'm on the wrong thing. It's all good Whoa all right, I told chat there's no rate limiting and then they took that to heart a little bit

Yeah, guys come on chill chill chill We're trying to we're trying to have a stream here. Okay, what Nick what can I do for you? Nothing, okay, cool. How's it going? No LTX update Oh LTX updates Good money. Good money. Do we have any cool merch updates or anything? Next week. LTX update. LTX updates. Merch update next week.

Woo! Holy crap. Do we have an update? Did they do one? No, there's no LTX update this week. Wow. But I have an update for LTX. So my update is that we are going to be filming the LTX announcement video that's going to

go on the LTT channel. We're going to film it next week. That'll be coming soon and it will to go on the LTT channel. We're going to film it next week. That'll be coming soon and it will include details like when you can buy tickets. It's coming pretty quick fast and I'm very, very excited. This is not working. Do you know why this isn't working?

It worked on mine. It's just going really slow because this isn't on our like actual good stuff, basically. Okay, so this is like our pinner server. Yeah. You don't want to show the front? Um, I could. You know what? Yeah, as long as I don't show this password, then I'm good, right? Uh, yeah. So I could show me copy pasting this password. Well, just show the front and look around.

And then. This is the front? No, this is. Oh, is that before I sign in? How do you get to that? Oh, it's before the login page. OK, so just take this away. OK, so guys, don't judge the responsiveness of the site

right now. This is running on some pretty garbage town stuff. Don't worry about it. It is before the production. Okay. So there's sign in. There's join. Scroll.

You're not... No, I'm going to scroll. I'm explaining. You're not even at the top of the page. They can't see the... There. There you go. Oh, okay.

Sorry. All right. Say hello to float plane. Learn more or join. So learn more right now. Yeah, it doesn't do anything. Yeah. It will scroll you down.

Yeah. This search actually works, but it's a search for channels and there's no channels in this environment. So it's not gonna find anything. Also, this is supposed to be like, yeah, you explain, you explain. So right here, there's like a spindle of tiles that show what creators are on the site.

But as there aren't any on this like pre-production version, it's just empty. So that will be a thing. And then down here, there's just some stuff. Yeah. Just explain why we exist. These pictures, uh, the bottom one and the top one of those three are just photos that Brandon took. And then the middle one is a photo of Brandon.

Hey, it's Brandon. Nice. Yeah. It was just supposed to, it's Brendan! Nice! Yeah. It's just stylistically, it's just stylish. Oh, okay. Got it, got it. Cool. Okay.

All right. So now we can... Then unshare. Can you actually read the legal stuff? Is that a real link? It is. Hey! We have terms of service and stuff now.

That's awesome. Yeah. Look at that. It's been on the site the whole time. It's just, it wasn't as easy to find. You should probably unshare now. That's awesome. Look at that. It's been on the site the whole time. It's just it wasn't as easy to find. You should probably unshare now. Yeah, I'll unshare. Give me a sec.

And we're back. Go away. No, I don't want to save a password. I love how when you press never, it still prompts you the next time you do a thing. Okay, so if I go to, here we go. My home, hold on a second, Browse Creators. Wait, where do I go?

What are you doing? I wanna Browse Creators, I wanna go to Channel Superfun. Okay, yay! Actually, this one isn't as set up as some of the other ones. Because you're also not... well, you're not subscribed to that one, right? You signed into TechWiki, so you're probably only subscribed to TechWiki.

So the other ones were locked because you don't have permissions to see it. Cool. So here's my home. Here's some videos. So basically, the main new thing that happened on these pages, and this TechWiki page doesn't have a banner at the top and there's a better one hold on a second because you've logged into a different account yeah this one's fine okay yeah it just shows locks yeah so you don't have permission to see that content yeah yeah the main thing that we change is we added a support column to the far right hand

side so creators gonna be able to start setting up multiple plans if they would yeah they would so choose they They don't have to. Yep. And something we're working on. This is a placeholder, I guess, eh? Yeah. This is not the production environment. Put that there.

Guess. AJ. I just, I don't actually even know. I just wanted to see what you'd say. It could be, it could be anyone. Yeah, it really could. I think I know who it was, but basically one other thing, I don't know why I said basically. Another thing that we're working on, as you can see,

there's a Tech Cookie account. Yes. I don't know when this is going to be done. I don't know how feasible this is going to be, but we want you guys to be done. I don't know how feasible this is going to be. But we want you guys to be able to split your accounts up. Cool. And then there would be, now that we have multiple tiers,

you'd be able to subscribe to the tier that has all of the basic access to all of the different accounts. Sure. Can I poke around in the CMS too? Yeah. So uploading videos works pretty low well these days. Do I have any videos in here? No, this, works pretty low well these days. Do I have any videos in here?

No, this is a demo laptop. Video library. One cool thing is you can go into edit, and now you can select what tier. So this one only has one tier. Cool. But you can select what tiers are able to see the thing. You've got your live settings. Yeah, I want to leave.

Don't go to the other button in there. Don't go to settings? Oh, I'm not going to streaming keys. Don't worry. You've got your settings where you can make your – wow. Don't go to the other button in there. Don't go to settings? Oh, I'm not going to streaming keys. Don't worry. Don't worry. You got your settings where you can make your... Wow. 0-1-0-1-1-0-0-1-0.

We're robots. Lorem ipsum, whatever. Perfect. Thank you. Show monthly income. You can turn that on or off. That's pretty cool. So, yeah.

So, just above where the support button is, it shows, like, you can have how many subscribers you have and how much you make. But Flowplane isn't really designed around being a donations platform. It's more of a subscription to a service. So it doesn't fully fall in line with that. So if you want to set up your account that way, you can. But by default, we have it off. Price, $2,000. Nice.

You get nothing. Nice. There we go. This is the best tier. This is gonna be the starred tier. Awesome. The get wrecked tier. The tiers tier.

I like it. Now this plan will not be seen publicly because it's not published yet. Okay. Because we want people to be very careful. Publishing a plan is permanent. permanent yeah you will have to contact floatplane administrators to make certain changes okay and that's because they would be I published it yeah they won't that's right I'm contacting the

float can I make some changes please sir damn it and the reason for that is to try to protect the the people subscribing to the creator so the creator understands the implications of just ripping a plan out of people who are currently paying for something. So if we go out of the creator CMS, we go to the Techquickie channel. Oh, there you go. Then we have the get rekt tier.

Yeah. And I believe that all I have to do is I can like add a card and like this stuff actually kind of looks like it's a thing. So like, I think the question burning in everyone's minds now then is when do we go into beta? I need this stuff in. I need the new upload and transcode systems. I need the support page.

I need the FAQ page. Streaming's going to get a little bit better. We're working on this multi-CDN thing that's going on. It's coming. We'll be there soon. The main benchmark for me for beta is that a few major pain points need to be solved. Every video can't have this new bubble on it.

This search thing should probably work. Like extremely basic functionality needs to be in place and we still have a bit of that. I didn't even know there was a search bar here. Oh yeah, there is. Yeah, it doesn't do anything. Yeah, got it. It's actually been there like the whole time. Got it, never noticed.

Yeah. Never noticed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so we're actually getting pretty close. And I think the new multi-column layout and the front page should add a little bit of good feeling to the site not being quite as alpha as it was. It's pretty alpha right now. And we have some more of those types of things, some more on the creator side, like the upload and transcode stuff, which is going to be awesome.

Here, real talk. Let's be honest the way our transcode works right now is if tech deals uploads one of his epic four hour 4k world of warships streams to float plane it's like 75 gigs. Linus Tech Tips has to wait like three hours to transcode a beat. Sometimes more Because everything is done in series So that that won't happen anymore So like there's reasons that we haven't braw just brought on a bunch of creators because there's honestly stuff

that's really ready and then there's stuff that's Not as ready. It's one thing to have a video playback site. Honestly, Luke could have set that up in 48 hours. In fact, three years ago, he did. Yay. It just sucked. Thanks, man.

The hard thing is scaling. And the really cool thing about this, though. If you want to play a video to one person pretty easy yeah the the really cool thing though is that luke has had both the blessing and curse of having one medium to large scale creator yeah to use as and really like mad props to all of our viewers who have who have been with us. Genuinely really appreciate it. Through Float Planes Growing Pains, because you guys have been the testers for this. Not only that, you have funded a significant amount of the development of this platform

indirectly. Like, we're still burning money. Like, we're still... It's still a startup. Whoop-a-doop-a-doop. Oh, yeah. But it has some revenue, and it has this proof of concept that we know that the model can work. And you guys have been just an incredible part of that and making it happen.

So anyway, we've had both the benefit and the drawback of having this scale that we have to live up to. And that has taught us a lot about how to get ourselves ready to bring on other creators. There's been some buzz from some pretty big names around creating alternatives to YouTube. And there was even one that was supposed to be, as far as I know, launched by now. Like a month ago. Yeah, like a month ago. And it's not. If we've learned anything about making this platform

is setting launch dates is real scary and usually doesn't work out. And also that like what we're doing is not easy. And so again, like mad props this time to the Floatplane dev team because what you guys are doing would normally be done by a team of 30, 40 people with $50 million of VC backing.

That's the kind of project we're working on. So yeah, it's taken some time, but because of our amazing community, because of the tenacity of our devs, we are actually finally getting close to being able to bring on other creators and start to scale the thing out and because uh luke whose strength really wasn't organization when i met him um but he's learned a lot speaking of understanding and uh and and we've taken a really building block style approach in the early days not so much we learned. And we've taken a really modular building block style approach to building the platform that makes it so that we will be able

to scale it when the time comes and add functionality much more easily than if you just kind of throw something together in 48 hours. So much. I was like, Luke's strength was grossly misrepresenting his experience. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. No, the funny thing is that Luke, oh, we had a freeze on OBS. So if people are complaining about a freeze in the stream,

that was OBS in case you're curious. Okay, good to know. Someone in float plane is spamming, I need notification. All right, sounds good, dude. Go turn it on in your settings. Oh yeah, notifications are working. They technically exist.

There's improvements that need to happen to those, just like almost everything else, but they technically exist. If you go into your settings, you can set on push notifications or email notifications per creator. Woo! Yeah. Oh, should we talk about the... Our community is going to freak out about this.

Paul just messaged me and said we should look into his conversation with Nyle. So I think we should almost dive into that a little bit more almost. Okay. You wanna talk about this? We can talk about, it's not ready yet. Okay, that's fine, that's fine. So there's been some requests for Flowplane to do.

Some? There's been a lot of requests for Flowplane to do more open source stuff. There's also been a lot of requests for apps to exist and other things. And one of the members on the team that I don't know if I'm – he's been on the team definitely long enough for me to say his name, but I don't know if he wants his name to be public. So I won't say it yet.

I will figure that out later and then know later. But has been working on setting up the base of our mobile apps. And then we're going to be working on making it open source so people can contribute to them if they would like. But we're trying to get the base really solid first. And then open the API and do some other things like that so people can work with that if they would like. It's not necessarily about trying to save work

or trying to save money. We were definitely willing to do it ourselves. It just was going to take longer. And we've had a lot of members of our community go like, hey, honestly, I'd just love to help with this so that I could just have an app. There's people that have just made ones. And I'm like, okay, that's actually really cool and impressive stuff. But no.

You can't do that. So, yeah, we're we're we're running down that path like if there's going to be third-party support for this initiative anyway we just want to make sure that we're doing it properly yeah um and so so this is this is a way for us to get something done faster um and at the it's the weirdest thing give the community what they want which seems to be to help us out. Which is weird, but like, sure. But you guys are cool.

You guys are awesome. So really, really excited about that. Do you want to pull up Paul's Twitter conversation there? Sure. Give me one second. When is Paul joining Floatplane? Well, he wants to. We just need to be ready.

Oh, okay. So it's us. Yeah. Dang it. Yeah. Dang it. Yeah. Oopsie. While you're looking that up, why don't I do a couple super chats? Because I saw a couple ridiculous ones come in.

Biking with Panda. What kind of name is that? Love from the OpenZFS team. I hope Luke becomes a platform someday. Can you send me some jerky and coffee? Thanks, guys. That was a disjointed message. Can you send me some jerky and coffee? Thanks. Guys, that was a disjointed message. Thank you for that.

Wow. iKatan11 says, love you guys' content. Been watching you for years. Thank you. You rock. Jonas has got Floatplane last weekend. First time watching on Floatplane. It's so good. Good work.

Thanks. Flagboy. Copyright in America I watched Floatplane last weekend. First time watching on Floatplane, it's so good. Good work. Thanks. Flagboy, copyright in America is nuts. Big companies suing youth groups. Wow, really? Like cheerleaders, dancing, Winter Guard, et cetera, for hundreds of thousands of dollars because they use their music. Oh, really?

Yeah. Wow, that's rough. Oh yeah. I don't know about the hundreds of thousands of dollars thing. I don't know about any of the values, but there's been tons of stuff. The insider says they got banned by the Verge PC build guide creator guy, Stefan. So, yeah, no, I believe they were just, like, blocking people on Twitter and stuff like that. Stefan so yeah no I believe they were just like blocking people on Twitter and stuff like that so I've even heard of cases where like a dude was playing a

radio in the back of his shop to literally just himself but because it was on a commercial premises they like tried to hit him with some something because a song was played I don't remember there's there's been some like absolutely crazy stuff I have no idea Wow that's kind of nuts uh sam the bird says hey luke go on a date with me sorry gunner does games want to go to ltx but can't get off work oh that's a bummer well thanks for your support anyway and we will have like a like a virtual ticket so stay tuned for that um luke's alter ego says zto cuke the canuck the world's most stereotypical canadian i like it i like it great i'm down uh spm says riv strong lyle riv strong indeed oh geez oh boy uh

pc genius says love you luke when is jay's two cents coming to floatplane he's been that's another one jayace wanted to join for a long time. It's just I don't want their entrances to the platform to be really bad. I want it to be a good experience for the users and for them. And Floatplane isn't quite there yet. We're getting really close. We're starting to feel it.

The front page is coming on the website. We've got the multi-tiers thing coming along. Having a front page. Having a front page. Well, we could have literally done with Squarespace in 20 minutes. Yes, but we wanted to do it on our own site and all that kind of stuff. It's coming along. It's coming along.

With the cover pages feature. It basically is the cover pages feature. Anyways. David says, I sent an email asking about the VIP ticket for LTX. Wanted to know if it included a two-day pass and dreamhack byoc at night i believe so um yeah i believe so stay tuned i think the vip tickets are going to go really fast they're like not going to be cheap they are hundreds of dollars and i'm sorry but that's already like it'll already sell in like an hour yeah um they're almost under it's they're expensive but

they're almost under i don't even know what to how we talked about like doubling the price this year just to you're probably gonna have to next just to give people who like aren't sitting there with their finger on the trigger ready to go a a chance to get one. But then we were like, no. So it's actually, I believe, gonna be the same price as last year. It's a hard case, because if you don't price it high enough, people are just gonna buy them way too fast.

And then there's just a ton of people that are mad because they can't get one. The only people with watching bots are gonna be the ones that notice it, or scalpers are just gonna buy it. If you price it way too high, then you look like a jerk. People will not be able to scalp them. Oh.

Yeah, because the VIP ticket is personalized to you, the person who bought it. Cool. Okay. Yeah, I think I'm good for now. There's actually a bunch more. Yeah, sorry, guys. There's actually a bunch more Yeah, sorry guys. There's like actually a lot more, but we're there's we actually need to go home at some point We went way over time. Do you have me still do this Paul saying?

There's one person in full point chat who said they don't have the emote even though they've been subbed since the forum and I Recognize your name, and I know that's true contact support at full plane calm. We get that taken care of okay You can have a domain now with with a email. See? Things are coming along. Things are coming along. Okay, let's jump to here really quick. Yeah, sure. I'm on your screen. Okay, so we've already read this first tweet. This is hilarious.

This was great. I love how well it lined up with what we were saying. So Paul said, this all could have been avoided if, well, he's quoting. This all could have been avoided if they simply reached out to me directly, says, Nyle, hypocrisy, basically because the same thing could have happened the other way around. Then he just did a screenshot of the article. Moving on. There's a few other responses.

Nyle responds directly. Hopefully I'm saying your name right. Sorry if I'm not. It's not a reality show none of the stakeholders actually reached out and again it's reversed the i reversed the strike on wednesday uh paul said did you make any attempt to reach out to them before having your legal team take action that affected their ability to make a living if not saying they should have reached out to us first carries zero weight nyle says i do not think our team should use the strike system

no which is why I reversed it What okay that didn't answer Paul's question. All right. No, that's what he says. He's like you didn't answer my question You seem to not want to admit any fault or accept responsibility for anything in this situation So you're blaming your team for issuing the strike, but you're the one who took action to remove it i removed the strike i did not make a series of videos that led to an obvious coordinated harassment campaign what are you even talking about but what led to the coordinated harassment campaign was you didn't pull your video immediately when it was obviously horrible and yeah it was like problematic as it was a guide um paul said well then you're obviously the victim here at the mercy of okay basically what i just

said youtuber coordinator has been great which we activated because we are evil couldn't possibly be that you're in the wrong and a bunch of people agree that based on uh preponderance of evidence again i reversed the strike on Wednesday. No one's saying you didn't. I appreciate that you did that quickly, but no one's saying you didn't. Before any of this went sideways, the criticism, whatever it is, of a thing that I undid.

Is of a thing that I undid. Is of a thing that I undid. And the nature of that criticism is coordinated and toxic. What do you mean coordinated? No one's coordinating this. What's that app where all the tech YouTubers have this Signal account that we all message? Yeah. Well, no, it's not an app.

Like, it's way... No, it's a big... Okay, so here. Assassin's Creed carrier pigeons? It's got a cylinder. Okay. Yeah, yeah. It's got a cylinder.

And then there's like this metal kind of frame piece that goes across the front. Sure, okay. Yeah. And it stands about this high. So you have the cylinder with this frame piece on the front here. And then it's got a big light in the back. And you aim it at the sky. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Okay? It's got a bat. It's got a bat. Tech YouTuber under attack. Come support immediately. Freaking ridiculous. The coordinated and toxic attack.

I am firm in saying that is unacceptable. Paul now says, well, I completely disagree, but thanks for replying here at least. I think everyone now has a much clearer idea of what your official stance is on the matter. I think his official stance is that he took it back on Wednesday! I reversed it on Wednesday! And we took the original

video down! Alright. So on that note, the man show's over. We'll see over guys again next week same bad time same bat channel Maybe that's why I always say that no, I don't say that everyone coordinates Something's happening something happening. He didn't say the Batman. Oh, yeah Well, I did today. Yes, we're good. Bye everyone everyone. Bye. That was a long show. We had something to talk about. I know, right?

Call the Bullying Teachers. That was great. I totally forgot about that. Me too. See, but they did the right thing. They didn't start coffee striking people months after the event to remind everyone about Bully Hunter. Oh, man. Good show.