The WAN Show - YouTube Will Remove Your Comments And So Will I - WAN Show December 16, 2022

Episode Date: December 19, 2022

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But this time, I actually mean it. YouTube has announced a spam crackdown and coincidentally so have you so have i yeah yeah we're gonna be talking a little bit about that later on uh also oh wow uh really really twitter blocked jerry rig everything yep Really? Twitter blocked JerryRigEverything? Yep. Along with journalists who have covered Elon in the past, particularly ElonJet, also the ElonJet account. So we'll be talking about the 180 degree about face that Elon Musk has done on his whole freedom of speech absolutionist thing that he said

and never really demonstrated any commitment to. What else we got? Yeah. Which one of these should I do? What, you don't like this one? Which one is this? The one I highlighted.

Come on, it's awesome. Okay, TikTok takes on YouTube with experimental landscape video feature. Take that, we got landscape now. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Now we've got landscape with copyrighted music we're not paying licensing fees for. Pow, pow, pow.

Yeah. Also, Linus is going to rant about apps that copy paste metadata along with text. Yeah, because it's stupid. It's annoying. annoying let's go ahead and jump right into YouTube announces spam crackdown on Wednesday YouTube announced that they will be dealing with the scourge of spam comments stealing creators profile pics and posting emoji filled prize-winning lies that's right they are finally doing something I mean they've been they've

been doing something for a while but they're like what do you mean they removed the dislike button okay i mean but no problem solved no but like even even live chat is apparently getting improved bot detection for example which is actually kind of exciting because i don't know if you guys realize this especially those of you who are watching on youtube but i do not look at the youtube chat at all i mean you guys see me screen share and how often if ever do you even see this window open do you ever see this window what that means is i am not looking at the youtube chat because it moves so fast it is full of absolute garbage and do i need any other reasons no other than that no that's good enough moves really fast and is full of garbage it's fast garbage yeah twitch's like loading in chunks is actually kind of helpful

because once it loads a bunch it pauses for a second it's slow garbage you can actually read and then there's float plane which is quality yeah yeah exactly but hey maybe that's going to change so youtube will be implementing improved spam detection on video comments um as spammers change their tactics our machine learning models are improving to better detect new types of spam so that's good uh they're working on improved bot detection in live chat and they are uh okay cool so they've this is this is the the controversial part this is what i really wanted to talk to you about because up until now as far as i can tell um an like a machine learning uh chat moderator or comment moderator

was only able to remove a comment. But the real change in capabilities is that they will now be able to issue warnings and timeouts to users. So if you leave abusive comments, an actual bot will be able to issue you a 24-hour timeout. What do you think of that? Bot moderators that will not only remove a comment or hold for moderation,

but actually take moderator actions. Can you turn it off? As far as I can tell, the plan is to implement these features platform-wide without any kind of toggle for creators. I would be far more comfortable with it if you could turn it off um because then the vast majority of people could just leave it on and it would be fine um but then like remember when they were i don't know exactly how to word this but youtube reducing the spread of uh of anything that mentioned covid at all yes those types of

it wasn't that the okay so hold on it was that um monetization was disabled on anything to do with but doesn't that basically automatically mean when you're youtube that you're not boosting those videos as much no well okay so i've had this conversation with people high up enough at youtube that they should at least know the right answers whether they tell them to me or not okay youtube claims swears up and down that the monetization status of a video does not affect its reach they also swear up and down that they don't know how the algorithm fully works because it's machine learning i believe that yeah so how would they know this i mean um because if they're telling the thing like we want you to find ways to make money why would it promote demonetized my understanding though is that that is not a focus for the algorithmic inputs the focuses for the algorithmic inputs are not just watch time

okay so it used to be views and then things like likes and comments yeah things like interactions started to play heavily into it as well and then it evolved to watch time um that was the that was the animation apocalypse right when youtube started to emphasize watch time over view counts because animation is so expensive to make per minute compared to something like VOD or in particular, something like long gameplay videos or streams, right? Then they kind of realized, well, okay, watch time is not the be-all and end-all and

for at least the last few years their emphasis has been on satisfaction that's the word that you can't talk to a youtube employee for more than probably 10 minutes about the algorithm without them using viewer satisfaction sure so they take a number of signals for that they take uh whether you watch the video through right like how much of the video you watch how you engage with it commenting on it liking it for example um a big big one for satisfaction is if you click on another video when you're done watching if you click on another video when you're done watching, if you click on another video from that creator, that's a really strong indicator for satisfaction. So if you want to be fed more of a certain creator

or more of a certain kind of content, watch through a video, click on another one of their videos and watch that. And I pretty much promise you that your feed is going to be full of that kind of stuff. The other thing is that interesting sometimes youtube uses ad spots for things that are not ads and you've probably seen this a fair bit no you have premium don't you okay so one of the things that you will see if you're an ad supported user is surveys and they won't just ask you did you like this video

because that's what this button's for right and you know they've got five different settings so you can tell it exactly how much you liked it anywhere from one star to five stars wait that'd be a good idea though uh so that's 2006 youtube yeah that's what the thumbs up and thumbs down is for so they'll ask you things like how did this video make you feel right like you guys have probably you guys have probably seen this so that is all so that they can gauge the user satisfaction how much did this video satisfy you because the idea is that it's all about keeping you on the platform for as many hours of the day as humanly or i mean realistically machinely possible. Yeah. We actually did an A-B test a while back where we took two similar videos. Actually, we did it a couple of times.

So it was with a few different videos. But we took two videos that we kind of expected to perform similarly and intentionally disabled monetization on them to see if, well, because my theory was that the one without monetization on them to see if well because my theory was that the one without monetization given youtube's desire for better uh satisfaction from viewers i thought the one without monetization would actually perform better yeah than the one with monetization people would

leave less right and so the reason that i cared about this was because sponsored videos will pay way more per view than an ad supported video. So the idea was that if we had a fully sponsored video and we could boost its reach by simply disabling Google ads, then that would be an obvious value add to the sponsor. It would juice up our view counts and it would mean that we could sell sponsored videos for more. So that was my whole plan was i was like oh okay well maybe we can increase viewer satisfaction by removing google ads ultimately increasing the value of our sponsored videos but what we found every single time was that there did not appear to be any correlation whatsoever and i i called bs on this previously yeah the really wild part all right is that what you're getting into uh sort of okay call bs on okay so i i called

bs on this previously because i said that if i'm ever on a device which is annoyingly often that i'm not logged into the one google account that i have premium on because there's no way i'm going to get premium on like seven different google accounts yeah so if i'm ever logged in or it thinks that account is active or whatever i will immediately leave because there's no way i'm watching an ad but i think i understand now there's an example that you're going to throw out that is that is really interesting but i think i also understand i think at this point if you don't have they're missing context still luke. Oh, okay. Sorry, go for it.

The really wild thing is that every time I talk to anyone from YouTube, they will swear up and down that ads do not affect retention or satisfaction. Yeah. Like even mid-roll ads. Like, I don't know if you guys have noticed, but because we have baked in sponsor reads to our videos, we do not include mid-roll ads on our LTT content. And the reason for that is that from my point of view, I feel the same way as you.

A mid-roll ad is a very strong, a very high friction point for me. But they say that it doesn't affect retention. And one of the highest profile, the king of retention on the platform a mr beast i know enables mid-roll ads puts them in liberally lets google just figure out the best place to put them and just lets it do its thing and somehow that works yeah clearly yeah Yeah, someone pointed out like, oh, that's just because you have another account to switch to. No, I said device.

So if I'm on someone else's computer, if I'm on this laptop, I don't have my personal email because my YouTube premium is on my personal email. If I don't have my personal email logged into something, I just literally won't watch YouTube because of the ads. But thinking about that, I was like, oh oh i will know that and not go to youtube or i will know that or not realize that go to youtube get an ad and immediately leave permanently um so i think if

people are going to youtube they're expecting ads so it's not going to make them leave an individual video because they're expecting ads it's also a totally different viewer like the demographics of a channel like mr beast for example and our channel are going to be very different in the same way that the demographics of like uh uh like a super popular you know beauty channel or gaming channel or science actually science and technology overlap a ton that was a bad example but like yeah a comedy channel the demographics are going to be super is not as much. So I don't want to generalize, but I think it's probably fair to say that among the tech savvy audience,

you are more likely to find people who engage in ad blocking, content piracy. You're more likely to find people who uh engage with new platforms like i would say that the tech savvy audience that's watching us right now was far more likely to subscribe to netflix in the very early days than their mom or their auntie or their dad or grandpa those people are super tech savvy as well but yeah exactly but that's what i'm saying is like i think that the tech savvy audience's tolerance for advertising is probably lower because they've spent the last 20 years not absorbing as much advertising as the average viewer like i go over to my in-laws place

and the tv is on you know like all like... All the time. Cable. Yeah. Like television. Yeah. And I'm standing in front of it, and, you know, it's like, it's like, oh, glowing object, like fire, me watch. You know, like, it draws you in, right? Yeah. Or there's something interesting on it.

And then, you know, because it's like 30% advertising, something comes on, I'm like, oh yeah, ads have gotten like kind of, kind of funny these days. See you later. Like that's it. I'm done. I'm out because I'm not conditioned to watch that.

Whereas they'll just sit in front of it. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, well that's a generational gap that I hadn't really like thought about in a while. Yeah. And so maybe,

maybe, I mean, okay, here's something uh tiktok to my knowledge doesn't have premium okay i have no idea yeah guys you're gonna have to correct me if i'm wrong but my understanding is that there's no paid account there's just either you view ads on tiktok or that's it why wouldn't they i don't know that's actually a pretty good question um what is tiktok premium tiktok pro is an extended version of tiktok what apparently their ads are super trivial to skip though so apparently they are they're super easy to can you just like scroll past it as can just be scrolled away yeah yeah but someone's got to watch it or they wouldn't even be able to keep the

servers running so i don't i don't know i i can't explain this because i'm i'm like you guys i mean i i don't even see ads most of the time someone will be like how you do that is is actually crazy i because okay so he's gonna say this and you guys are gonna go like oh okay yeah he just ignores him no like he literally somehow just like mentally blocks it i don't know how to describe oh man i've tried to like explain how an ad on a website like a website interacted with the rest of the experience or pushed things out of the way, and he'd be like, oh, I don't know.

I didn't see it. I'm like, it's like half the screen. He's like, I don't know. It's actually wild. I do have a threshold. I might have actually sent you this screenshot a little while ago, but I opened up an article

where on my phone my folding phone like my giant phone screen there was like two lines of text that I could read and the entire rest of the thing was ads yeah that's bad I think I did send you that right I was like well here's an argument here's an argument for privateering. And in that case, I was aware of the ads, but I couldn't tell you what any of them were for. All I could see was my two lines of content, and I felt my annoyance that I had to scroll a lot. Your mental ad blocking service was getting overloaded.

You're like, there's too much. It's got to be an an add thing or something like like hyper focus is like is is apparently a thing okay and so when i'm when i'm reading i am reading and you go fast if you could find my grade three four teacher i had her for both years and talked to her about kid Linus okay I was a really really like bad student wow I am amazed and surprised by this information yeah thanks for that so you know it would actually be a really funny stream uh we should bring my my childhood report cards onto the show someday my dad kept them all whoa okay yeah so i have all my report cards and back in the day i don't know if they still do it this way i don't get report cards like this but i had letter grades yeah um effort grades yeah and then maybe it was just the

school i went to they're very thorough they would write like a page or two pages about you for every report card or maybe it was just me we had we had paragraphs so our report cards are similar in that way and then we had paragraph sections under each topic got it so for like maths or or sciences or whatever you would have like a paragraph for each for each one well i got a page um anyway one of the things that i would do in in class is and like at the time i thought i was totally getting away with it i thought nobody had any idea but i would sit but you know you know the desks that you have in elementary school right with the storage in them. A bar thing and stuff, yeah. Okay, with like the cubby inside it. So I would prop a book in my cubby and I would sit in class.

I'd kind of slouch like this and I would just read a novel. Like all day. It's not the worst off-topic thing you could be doing in class. No, but I'd have no idea what's going on. It's still not the worst. It's not the worst off topic thing you could be doing in class no but i'd have no idea what's going on it's still not the worst it's not good so when there's so when there's a project you know and instructions have been issued uh linus uh are you gonna go get the construction pay oh sorry what i would have no idea that anything else existed.

The only thing that would penetrate my consciousness was math. Want to know why? Because anytime the teacher said something, something minus something, because I would think I heard my name. I'd realize, no, it's just math.

And I'd go back to my book that's pretty funny oh yeah so anywho i um it's definitely yeah twitch chat that's a yeah hopefully yvonne doesn't like look at this it's definitely a sore spot with my wife because when i'm like on my phone oh yeah i have i mean you know this yep when i am in a meeting if i get sidetracked for a second he's gone i start reading something how long would you say you can be talking before i finally acknowledge that i have not heard a word you've said and ask you to repeat it's it's not that bad in my opinion but for a reason that probably won't make you that happy because it's not that bad

because he will always interrupt you because he thinks whatever he's doing is probably more interesting or more important so if he's reading something he's probably going to want to share the information about what he's reading so so you learn pretty quick he's not paying attention because he's gonna say something in the middle of you saying something and it's just like okay i guess we're talking about this i wouldn't start reading it if it wasn't really important that's questionable i think i think if you in that moment decide that you even if the information is important you just don't want it right now you will you will sidetrack yourself with whatever

sometimes i don't want to be the world's most attentive person i genuinely think that that's a huge part of my success though i wouldn't undo it for the world because it's one of the things that like makes it so that I can be in the middle of a conversation and like have an idea. Like it's where I actually get a lot of my inspiration from that I'm not really paying attention. I'm actually thinking about something else. Have you in our, so we weekly, we have these meetings where i go over like what the dev teams are kind of doing and all that kind of stuff do you notice that i repeat stuff sometimes yeah i didn't think so so i've learned i've known him for a long time so i will sometimes pick up on

like he didn't get that at all and sometimes i will i'll make a decision in the moment and sometimes i'll be like sometimes i'll be like, sometimes I'll be like, you know what? Honestly, that wasn't like that important. I also write reports and send them out through email. And I do read those. And I know he reads those. So I'm like,

if it wasn't that important for him to know right now, or if I don't need a response back, he'll just read it later. It'll be fine. And sometimes I'm like, no, I actually need like what he thinks about this or his opinion on or whatever. So I'll just read it later. It'll be fine. And sometimes I'm like, no, I actually need like what he thinks about this or his opinion on or whatever. So I'll just say it again.

I'll wait until I'm like pretty sure you're done doing whatever you were doing. And then I'll just fire again. And I don't even bother go like, so I think you might have missed this. I'm just like, whatever. So the thing is, like, I kind of got that Gen Z multitasking energy, but I do not have that Gen Z attentiveness energy. So I am single tasking four things at once with one quarter of the quality.

Pretty much. Oh no. All right. Someone said, I i lost it but they said something along the lines of like luke just lets his boss ignore him it's not even that's not i don't think that's fair because i don't think he's ignoring you no i'm not he's just that's why i said he'll talk to you about it whatever it is he's just on a different topic now, but he's on that topic now still with you. So he'll bring you in and you'll go on this little adventure for a while. And when he's ready to come back, you can just keep going.

You are not off of the adventure. He's not ignoring. He's just, yeah. You are welcome to go with him. Oh, man. Anyways, back to... Yeah, what are we supposed to be talking about? We're way off of it, but we're on YouTube.

Spam cracked out. Yeah, so this was a coincidence. Oh, okay, hold on. We do have some discussion questions. How bad is comment spam in LMG's experience? It's gotten a lot better. But I have still noticed some... We'll see the replies I find. but i have still noticed some i mean mostly breaking through yep i've noticed some i've noticed i'm still seeing some of the copy pasting a highly upvoted

comment with just like a sexual profile picture stuff like that i'm still seeing a fair bit of that i've seen almost none of the whatsapp bots though uh message me on whatsapp with like that has gone a lot better yep the the one that you just mentioned copy pasting a highly uploaded comment that i've seen a lot more and i've seen it making small edits which is interesting oh that i haven't noticed but i've never gone and looked for the original i all i noticed i didn't particularly find the original i just assumed noticed i didn't particularly find the original i just assumed that's what it was doing uh but on a video fairly recently i said the control f thing the comment included my name and then ended up finding like a huge amount of almost identically

the same comment and then some like lewd profile photo interesting what is this and it a lot of them were exactly the same and then other ones would have like slight edits it feels like maybe they like kind of merge two comments together somewhat or something or maybe they're editing off of each other or maybe that i don't 100 know what interesting really really really similar. Yeah. It definitely does seem like it's improved. I would like to see them. I think that timing out is a good middle ground. I don't agree with everything YouTube does, especially around content moderation.

But I think that timeout is a good middle ground between just outright removing accounts that are perceived as spammy because the line between a really smart chat bot and some people is blurry indeed so i think that it is possible that they could actually end up banning a lot of real human accounts if they just banned people but timeout is a is a great way to dramatically reduce the effectiveness of bots yeah and give them time to go in and like prune these with a more hopefully manual process yeah um but also you know not accidentally throw out a bunch of wheat with

chaff jayden in full plane chat just said to be clear jayden one of the full-plane developers in full-plane chat just said gpt3 is terrifying for spam absolutely yeah it really is yeah i mean there could be so much more spam than i realized like a lot of the spam comments could be totally benign now because these accounts are building up a history over a long over a long period of time of leaving good comments so that it's a lot harder to identify them as a bot six months or 18 months down the road i mean that's one of the things that is um of value when it comes to um either uh renting out or or selling a botnet or like a fake account for whether it's a social media platform

or YouTube or whatever else, is if you have long-term established accounts that have not in that time been flagged as spam accounts, they're way more valuable. That's one of the reasons why stealing something like an old inactive reddit account is absolutely something that a spammer would want to do yeah and they can even target them um subtopic and it's total it's a total coincidence that this happens to be on the same week but i have decided to reverse something that has been a long time policy for me. And the reason is pretty straightforward. Let me just see if I can if I can find my thing.

No, that's not it. I have an email that just I had sent to a couple of people. James Wan, that should bring it up, just kind of talking about, you know, what would qualify as, that's not the right one. Darn it. Hold on, I will find this. I don't know how to reset. Nobody's looking for us, so I can't help them.

Yeah, here we go. Okay, so I have said in the past many times that when it comes to content moderation under videos i'm basically kind of like yeah it's kind of anything goes outside of you know really really toxic obvious spam abusive behavior or anything like that uh you know go ahead and say whatever you want. But as I was reading through the comments on one of our recent videos, what I realized is that that policy has led to a very, very low conversation quality under the videos,

if you kind of understand what I mean. Yep. And so one of the things that i've decided to start doing is just using the hide from channel button a lot more liberally so here's an example of you know a critical take that would absolutely never get you hidden from the channel uh so this was on the corsair xenon flex. I consider myself a bit of a tech enthusiast, but I just don't understand the point of these Flex monitors. Like not in any way at all. I think it's such a total waste of resources and I wouldn't even

consider buying one at any point in time for any price point. If I was given one, I'd sell it or give it away, honestly. I don't agree with that take. That is, I can absolutely see the value of it at the current price. Pretty challenging. But to say that you'd be given something for free and not at least give it a shot, I think is pretty closed-minded. Like, I don't agree with this comment, but it's absolutely valid. An example of something that is not valid and just simply doesn't need to be under the video is this one linus casually suggesting 1440p 240 hertz and oled at peak 700 nits is noob level tier is funny it tells us where his head is that never happened um i just i think i'm just kind of done with taking things I never said

and being like, wow, I can't believe he said that. What I said was that none of its specs individually are best in class, top of the line. And none of those specs are. 1440p is not the highest resolution. 240 hertz is not the highest refresh rate and 700 nits peak brightness is not as bright as a monitor will get but you said that you like pancakes that means you hate waffles right so what i went on to say is that but what it is is a really great package and so this is one of those things that i

i think over the long term i think it's going to take a long time but i think over the long term could have a really positive impact on the kind of conversations that people can have in the comments because that's another thing i've noticed is that there's a lot less of it now i don't see long conversation threads the way that i used to like technical long conversation threads and it's something that i just didn't notice until i thought about it like an another one that came up a lot on that video in particular was um people really upset that i called 1440p low res i didn't i said that on a 43 inch display 1440p is low res yeah relativity matters it is resolution is not pixel count and so basically if it's... When it comes to...

Well, it's not pixels per inch. Sorry? Yeah, pixels per inch. Yeah, so the... I just... I'm finding that I get a headache a lot reading YouTube comments, but I can't stop reading them. So I'm going to have to start just being like, no, I'm not going to...

I can't engage with that. So you're still reading it though no because when you hide it from the channel then I just will never have to read anything from that person again oh it doesn't just hide that comment nope it means bye-bye so you're shadow banning the user yeah got it yep I think I'm I think I'm just done uh I think I just I think I'm just not interested in reading uh you took so much flack because you're still chilling NVIDIA and don't just own your mistake if you send spend 30 minutes chilling NVIDIA and five seconds in the end and say something remote bad is still chilling NVIDIA but now that you're a serious tech channel at this point just label the channel paid by NVIDIA this was on our Radeon 7900 review where if anything we apologized for taking such a pro amd stance like i just if you don't watch the video and you just are gonna be like that i just i think i'm done with you forever i think it's just gonna have to be like that i don't know

maybe i'll maybe i'll change my mind, but I, I just, I, I just, I just can't, I just can't anymore. I'm tired. You know? Yeah.

Uh, James asks, will this be an official LMG thing? The answer is no. This is just going to be a, like, if I'm scrolling and I just see a, just catastrophically brain dead take,

I'm just going to be like, sorry, I just, I actually can't read what you write anymore. You might get the might get the linus banhammer it makes my brain hurt yeah it's the the stuff that is incredibly annoying and we i think we've talked about this in the past is the stuff that's just like they clearly either like didn't actually watch it and just yeah reacted before watching the content or they're taking stuff uh like you saying oh on this massive screen this is a low resolution as just completely

out of context chopping off the on this massive screen part and then going after it like it's not it's not good it's not good conversation yeah no it is it is a little tough though and i do like that you're not making it like an lmg rule yeah because i think that would be a hard thing to manage across a team of people and just oh for sure that ability i think is more fine yeah well everyone technically has the ability i actually can't prevent anyone with access to the channel from like shadow banning someone i i don't think the management tools are that granular at least not since i've looked at them uh but it's just you know it's the kind of thing that i just i i i don't i don't know maybe i mean maybe the right answer is something else entirely like okay one of the things that i've pitched to youtube

multiple times and i would love to be a feature, is the ability to respond to a comment that I'm reading with a short. Like one of the comments that came up a lot on the Xenion Flex video is people misunderstanding what I meant by low resolution for the size. And some people seemed genuinely like really upset, really upset that I was attacking their 1080p monitor and like treating them like they were poor and worthless or something because they had a 1080p monitor and this one was 1440p

and I'm sitting here going, no, I said it was low, but for the size, your monitor, your 1080p, like 22 inch monitor or 24 inch monitor or even 27 inch monitor is actually higher pixel density than this thing. I have a 27 inch 1440p monitor. It's great. I don't want anything bigger. I think for the screen size, it's good. But the problem is that at 43 inches. Yeah, then I would want something more. It's a different story.

And so if you're not going to listen to what I'm saying at all, I don't know, but that could easily be a misunderstanding. So the way that I would love to respond to something like that is with a short. Hey, I'm seeing this comment a lot. I'd like to clarify what I meant because I think there's a misinterpretation where people are thinking resolution equals pixel count, but resolution is actually the resolving, how the eye can resolve the image. That's where resolution comes from we're talking about the the clarity and clarity is affected by a lot more than pixel count 1080p could be incredibly clear

on a display this size that would be like mind-blowing like you could get this close to be like wow this is sharp right we keep on you keep saying pixel count um but pixels per inch no no pixel count is 1920 by 1080 yeah but you that's a pixel count resolution is not pixel count it's not pixel count okay so pixels per inch is not a count of pixels that's that's a count of pixels per distance. No, I know. Oh, okay. But you're saying resolution is not pixel count.

And I understand what you're saying with the clarity thing. But if you look on a spec sheet and it says resolution colon this. Yes. And that's something where that's... The industry has failed consumers. Yeah. I'm just... The reason why I keep saying it is because people are going to, there's people

saying, yeah, people are going to misinterpret that. No, resolution is not pixel count. Resolution is a function of pixel count, display size, and viewing distance. Just the resolution that is displayed on your spec sheet is pixel count. The reason that we use the word resolution to describe pixel count is because it was a much easier way to market it that's why this is one of those areas where product marketing and has utterly failed consumers because by focusing on pixel count and that's the reason that i'm framing it that way then by focusing on the number, and that's the reason that I'm framing it that way,

then by focusing on the number of pixels, you are actually doing a complete disservice to the user because you are not telling them the useful information. That's one of the reasons that Apple, in my opinion, wisely stayed out of the resolution race when it came to phone displays because pixel count is what matters excuse me pixel count because it's a because what matters is a combination of the pixel count the size of the display and the intended viewing distance As long as those three things are balanced, you don't actually need any more.

And so in the same way that a 1080p projector at, you know, 120 inches is going to look like garbage, a 4K projector, actually, okay, so 4K is a really interesting one because 4k projector actually okay so 4k is a really interesting one because then you start getting into how much of your field of view should actually be occupied by content and so the bigger you make the image the farther away you have to sit right and so going beyond 4k actually may not matter in any context but at but at lower resolutions less important the further you get away from the screen exactly so because of that distance function going higher than 4k can almost never matter like you can sit close enough to an 8k tv that you can make out the difference between 8k and 4k but you're sitting it's taking up so much of your field of view that the content is not really

designed to be enjoyed that way like you you're like you're gonna miss details because you're i think it's only like four degrees or eight degree i forget i forget how much of your field of vision is actually sharp and your peripheral vision is not so by sitting too close to the content you actually reduce the amount of the content that you can see clearly no matter what the resolution of the display is and by resolution i do mean the relative pixel count compared to the the display size someone at floatplane chat said what you're describing is optical resolution versus image resolution yes but, but they're closely related. And there's still confusion there as well. If you Google image resolution, the first result from, I don't know what university this is, but it's some.edu website,

is image resolution is typically described in PPI, which it's not. In printing, it is. Okay. So isn't that interesting? That would make a lot more sense. Isn't that interesting? So we actually a lot more sense. Isn't that interesting? So we actually do use pixels per inch to describe... We did it right first.

Right? But we didn't. Because digital cameras, which were really coming up right around the time of photo printers, also were measured in pixels instead of pixels per inch rip because it's the only way to really conveniently say uh you know how how fine the image is right because the reason we use pixels per inch for print is because we know what the scale is going to be

but digitally we don't that two megapixel picture could be this big it could be this big so the actual resolution of it could be completely different but the pixel count well that we can convey i know it's really complicated and i don't i don't know how to fix it i don't think you necessarily can so so yeah it's frustrating um anywho uh why don't we talk about tiktok taking on youtube with experimental get this this, landscape video. Yeah, what I find kind of funny about the little thumbnail that we have here is that it's still not the full screen, which I find kind of interesting. I don't know if that's because of how the person filmed it or what,

but yeah, it's still only part of the screen, which is interesting. So this is a duet. It's actually two vertical videos. Yeah, but you can do that when it's... Oh, is that why? Because they can't horizontally expand their currently vertical content. Oh, that's weird. I don't know. Anyways, yeah, the feature marks another way that TikTok is competing with YouTube,

particularly in terms of attracting longer form video creators and increasing the max video length to 10 minutes back in February. We talked about that as well. Yeah. I somewhat questioned the attracting longer form video creators. I mean, I'm sure it will happen. But I have seen a bunch of stuff about monetization on TikTok. And unless you're getting them sponsors,

it's quite lacking. Yeah, that's pretty tough. I think that they're, I mean, obviously they're not going to be able to attract long form horizontal video creators without allowing long form videos that are horizontal. Well, theoretically they do that now. But they're also not going to be able

to attract long-form creators if they don't implement some kind of reasonable revenue split. I mean... It'll have to still be in the funnel model, right? Where you use things like TikTok to gain followers and fans, and then you funnel them elsewhere

so that you can gain monetization from them, or else you won't be able to fund doing what you're trying to do. People sometimes talk about the funnel model when you talk about twitch because like if you start on twitch you're basically going to gain no one new until you're really really big so you have to funnel people into there eventually um yeah yeah i'm trying to think of like what it would take for me to start uploading our long form content on TikTok. And the question isn't really, could we do it? Yeah, of course we could. Well, as long as it's under 10 minutes.

Yeah, it could be fairly easily integrated into our workflow. But why? Why would we do it? I guess is the question. And honestly, this is a question that comes up a lot for me why exactly is it that every social and online video platform feels the need to just copy each other and become each other i kind of and this is this is probably just me being like old man yells at cloud you know like why does YouTube need a a competitor for TikTok why does it need these you know 30 second to one minute videos why can't YouTube be YouTube and TikTok be TikTok and everyone is just fine with YouTube being YouTube and TikTok being TikTok I do kind of wish platforms focused a little bit less on feature chasing and a little bit more on like not being crap. Like we had a problem with Teams the other day.

Yeah. The other day being I think yesterday. No, yeah, yesterday. And it's just coming off of that, I'm just like, man, like I wish we could have used msn because it was more stable like i would have expected everything we did pretty much to have worked on msn better than it did on teams and that's crazy it's made by the same company but it's like two decades newer you'd think it would be better and obviously in some ways it is i'm not that stupid but like just it's so unstable it's one of those things

where i mean even stability aside what identity does a platform have anymore yeah i as someone who hasn't used facebook in quite some time other than to occasionally get like a messenger chat from someone that i know that means messenger. I don't really understand what Facebook's identity is anymore because they kind of have everything. And I feel the same way about YouTube these days. What exactly is it that I go onto YouTube for? I mean, I understand what YouTube wants me to do. They just want me to spend as much time as possible in their app.

But beyond that, what is your what is your identity what is your your elevator pitch for pretend i'm a completely new user i've never seen your platform before i am i am i am choosing a video platform that i am going to watch videos on what's your pitch well we've got this and we've got this and we've got this and we've got this. And I'm like, okay, but right. But this elevator ride ended a while ago.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like YouTube out of all the ones that you mentioned almost feels like it's the most focused. Sort of. I mean,

not as much these days stories was a super weird detour that has gotten basically no development since they launched it um you know i've been saying for like two years now or something like that i i don't know a long time i've been saying for a long time like hey i understand that short form video is not going anywhere but i couldn't help noticing that shorts and stories are extremely disjointed like why those are the same thing no what is what are they stories is the competitor for instagram stories which are uh what what's the word ethereal ephemeral whatever the the non non-persistent yeah um ephemeral i believe is the word so non-persistent videos that are meant to be just like a like a casual update hi this is definitely not totally rehearsed and this is

absolutely the first time i recorded it let me just do this perfectly uh timed camera movement bye uh so that's a story right and then a short can be edited. You can put stickers on it. It might have music or dancing or whatever else, but it's just a short form VOD effectively. So stories are, so it's supposed to go in order of spontaneity from live to stories to shorts to VOD, right? So it kind of sits in between live and shorts. Okay. I didn't even know it existed. existed yeah there are some cool things about it one thing that's really neat is that you can reply

to a comment on a story with a story so if you upload a story that's like hey i'm here in my garage i just wanted to share some knowledge with you and someone were to ask hey what's the best knowledge you have in your garage you could pull some knowledge out of and someone were to ask hey what's the best knowledge you have in your garage you could pull some knowledge out of it and be like this is my favorite knowledge and that story would have a well it would actually have the comment like the original comment and so you just reply to it directly you don't have to say hey someone asked me what my favorite knowledge is and and this is it and that that's the ephemeral content yeah so it goes up for a little while and then it just like goes away and it actually like got a lot of views i don't know

what those view numbers meant i don't know what percentage of the video they watched or whatever else but jayden said like youtube video replies from 15 years ago i know right yeah and i think there's a lot of room for for development there like they could have taken stories and turned it into a cameo like feature for example that could have been extremely powerful for creator monetization i i pitched something earlier i would love to be able to reply to like a highly uploaded video comment with a story. They should take something from OnlyFans and do paid requests. Paid requests.

Oh, oh, where you just send a message to the creator. Well, is that that different from Cameo? I don't know how it actually works. Okay, Cameo is you... I don't know how it works on either. So on Cameo, you set a price, and it's like, you know, $20 or $200. Like it's kind of all over the place and people will basically send you a request.

Hey, can you wish Jeremy happy birthday? He likes tigers, you know, or whatever. And then they'll record it and fire it over to you. Okay. So is that kind of what... I don't know how it works. So it might be exactly the same yeah i think it's i think it's fairly similar okay yeah but i know you can like ask for something and and say

that you'll i think you can i don't i genuinely don't that's why i don't know how it works whatever stop it uh i think you can ask for something custom like say you wanted um pictures of something you could ask for it and say you'll pay a certain amount right so if you could do that on youtube if you could ask a youtube creator for a video of something and say you'd pay a certain amount that could be an interesting monetization yeah absolutely yeah absolutely i mean another thing too is that one of the i would admit it if i used it it's not that weird whatever one of the things that youtube is not shy about pushing is channel memberships so there's uh there's super thanks i believe is a way

that you can you can boost a comment under a video uh members members are supposed to get some kind of like priority in video comments okay i would see replying to a channel member with a story as a way that you could incentivize people to sign up and become members of the channel and because we have floatplane it's not something that you'd be likely to see us do a ton of but if i was a small like a niche creator a smaller creator or even a larger one who was completely YouTube focused. I could see stuff like that being extremely powerful. But hey, I'm not in charge of YouTube, obviously. So I guess they'll just keep not developing meaningful ways for creators to interact with their viewers.

And that'll be great. Yeah. Pretty much. Neat. As for TikTok, I just, I don't know. pretty much neat um as for tiktok i just i i don't know i just don't wish it would die it won't though i know they apparently now outrank youtube for average minutes per day spent by people ages 4 to 18 who is putting their four-year-old on TikTok? That was my biggest reaction to that

was that you started with four. Whoa. Wow. True Scott asks, would you take the CEO job for YouTube if they offered it to you? How do I put this? I don't think they can afford me.

We, I think this is going to be the year, Luke. I think this is going to be the year that LTT store revenue eclipses video production revenue. They've dropped some bangers. We also did, I think, backpack and screwdriver this year. We did. Yeah. Well, don't worry. There's bangers coming next year too.

Yeah. I'm almost ready to start teasing some pretty cool stuff. One of them was in a video. Oh, what. Yeah. Well, don't worry. There's bangers coming next year too. Yeah. I'm almost ready to start teasing some pretty cool stuff. One of them was in a video. Oh, what? Yeah. What was it? I think it got reported. What was it?

Just tell me. Well. I'm ready. It was in a video? Do you know what I'm talking about? No. Well, I don't know like how many people noticed it was there. I don't know if I want to say anything.

Oh, did we remove it? I don't know, to be honest noticed it was there i don't know if i want to say anything oh did we remove it i don't know to be honest i say go for it you put the thing in the thing i'll say it that way what oh the shape sorter yeah oh yeah yeah that's fine okay we can talk about the shape sorter yeah no no that's not gonna be a banger no yeah that's a new product yeah we'll we'll sell some and they'll be babies will play with them and it'll be cute uh but no no we've got some we've got some really exciting products um actually i know i know what sorry i know a lot of people that are getting the like baby stuff this year for christmas off the store like a lot of people our age know people that have small babies yeah and a lot of them that i know have casually mentioned oh yeah by the way i'm getting like one of the books

in a plushie or whatever else. And I'm like, all right. Sales have been very good of the book and plushies lately. No, one of the things we have coming, I already teased to Lauren from Tasty PC, a shorty version of the screwdriver. Short, oh. Only six bits and it's like this long.

So it's meant to be kind of like palmed but it still has the full full fat ratchet mechanism and still has the magnetic uh retention for the bits in the shaft shaft is way shorter as well way shorter and then handles gonna be like super short like like basically the whole the whole thing end to end is about this long oh wow okay yeah so we're working on a shorty version of the screwdriver um there's there's some potential leaks which you can maybe go off of because uh it talks about us hiring also we're looking for an electronics engineer and then it lists a bunch of things do we want to say oh yeah why don't we talk about that um yeah we we haven't got a ton of applications just having the electronics engineer uh position up on the site so we're

we're we're shouting it out on the wan show guys uh here are some examples of projects you will be working on if you join our engineering team potentially um a mouse i don't think we've ever talked about that before i don't think so but it's been on the docket for a while. That has been in development for over a year. We actually have some pretty good ideas for how to differentiate. That's my whole thing. If we're not adding anything to the conversation,

why are we doing this? I promise you we will be adding something to the conversation. The gamer battery bank slash shoe dryer. The reason it has shoe dryer on there okay stop be nice the reason it has shoe dryer on there is because that was the original reason that i wanted it i just wanted something that you can like throw in your realistically not in your shoe but actually just like in your bag uh have i talked to you about it before? Yeah. Oh, okay. So the idea is it's something

you can just huck in your bag and it'll run for like eight hours and having, Kyle tested it and he was like, you're right. He was like not happy. He was like,

what tiny little fan like that can't make that much of a difference? I was like, no, no, even a little bit of airflow is like huge. And so over eight hours, how quickly just like a gym bag would dry out

compared to if it didn't have even that tiny amount of airflow in it was like it was a colossal difference it was like half the time or something like that and when it comes to preventing bacteria growth and therefore smell the faster you can dry something out, the better. You don't want it to just sit there damp. Anyway, the shoe dryer may or may not ever come to life, but a lot of the work that we did on the shoe dryer is going to be absolutely reusable for the gamer battery bank. What makes a battery bank gamer? I will get back to you on that one, but we have a clear differentiating value add there, and I'm really, really excited about it. Another one one the rgb doormat okay this one has been under this one's been in development for almost two years it's just been stalled by screwdriver so much of the pipeline has been stalled by screwdriver that makes sense because kyle was working on this one

and he pivoted full-time to screwdriver um we are working on cables um i want a battery tester okay you know those things you can buy for like four bucks and it just has like a little pinchy thing and you put your battery in it they suck yeah they even when they work they barely work and i hate them and you can go get a multimeter and like, you know, or like create yourself a little jig to put your batteries in and hook the multimeter up to that or whatever. But I want more.

I want way more than just how many volts I'm getting out of the battery. I want a product that will do a discharge and recharge cycle and tell me how much capacity is left in a rechargeable battery so obviously i want to be able to quickly test disposables and go okay which ones go in the bin which ones go in the other more different bin but this is a problem that i can't be the only one who

has is like i have rechargeable batteries that are like 15 years old because i'm smart and i buy rechargeable batteries and use them for a very very long time but how good is that one should that one be should i be marking that one as like you know tv remote duty only or could i potentially still use it in a hydra device has it not been cycled that many times i don't. And so I want a device that will tell me the remaining capacity of the battery. Man, I'd be so excited to have that product. And I think a lot of people would. There is one that exists that we found, but it's like $400.

And I'm looking at it going, well, that's not reasonable, right? I think we can do better. We want to do like wireless charging pucks and desk accessories um extended pc access so this is this would man are we really disclosing all of this okay it's in the door i was stunned when i read this before the show i was like okay uh okay you know what i'm not gonna say any more. All right. Cool. Okay, this one's funny.

I don't think this came from me. An RGB tissue box for the haters? What? I have no idea. Anyway, cool. So those are some of the things that we want to work on slash have been working on for quite some time. Hopefully they all come to life and are huge successes we're gonna have some stuff at ces by the way did you know that creator

warehouse is going to ces and they're going to be unveiling some stuff i didn't know they're gonna be unveiling stuff yeah yeah they're gonna be they're gonna be showing stuff there that's cool which is pretty cool i think they're also trying to recruit other creators uh there's a creator that um we actually i was talking with recently that i was like hey like you do you guys want to do a screwdriver all you got to do is redo one mold like that we intentionally only put our branding on one small mold with the idea being that if anyone else wanted to brand our screwdriver all they would have to do is redo that one mold and then boom we could produce whoever tech tips is screwdrivers um i think that would be

like super cool making making the making screwing better one driver at a time oh boy oh in other creator merch news i got ludwig's bidet oh okay i haven't installed it yet because in north america it is actually not that typical to have a power outlet right next to your um so they're well yeah but like really yeah that's what i did yeah okay great but yeah like i i don't want i mean it's routed i don't know where the plug in your place would be well it was in a completely separate room oh yeah that's a lot worse like the the main the main bedroom ensuite has a like a little like toilet room in it that room does not have a plug in it okay and so the nearest outlet was you go out of that room across like my entire vanity and then like it's over here so basically it would be going like across my countertop yeah into that room yeah it's not good and that's how you go through a doorway it's like yeah that's not that cool yeah so i had uh i had the very talented electricians who worked on our place come out

and put in an outlet for me uh next to next to the toilet and i'm going to be installing it this weekend my butt will be the cleanest it's been since our trip to japan it was it was mind mind opening um seeing like the japanese standard for toilets like when we were over there i don't think you went with me to this like one place that i went but there was a long car ride that i had to be on for some reason it was like three hours or something like that and i needed to stop to use the washroom on the way the driver didn't speak a lick of english uh but i managed to gesture like and he figured it out and anyway we pull over at this like essentially truck stop and it had a toilet in it that was nicer than any toilet i've ever seen on this continent it's like what is this i don't understand it's kind of sweet though yeah it was pretty amazing i i was very impressed hey we should

probably do a couple of merch messages for those who are not familiar merch messages are the way to send a message to the show you You'll see our producer, Dan. Hello, producer Dan. See you later, producer Dan. Replying to merch messages down there. Also, Dan will flag certain merch messages for me and Luke to respond to. Why don't we do a couple?

All you do is go on lttstore.com. You can check out and you'll see a little box that says, hey, would you like to leave a merch message? They're live right now. And you guys can go ahead and do that. And you should either get your message showing up down here. You can get a reply from Dan or we might even talk about it on the show. Want to hit me, Dan? Sure. I've got one here from Jaden. Linus, how are you still using Plex instead of MB or Jellyfin? Linus, how are you still using Plex instead of MB or Jellyfin? I run all three in Docker containers, accessing the same library with no issues on the same server. Plex calls home to about 500 different places while MB and Jelly both don't.

You're not the first to ask me this. The first to ask me this, I think, was... Ooh, I'm going to hate myself if I get this wrong, but Tim from the Labs team. If I recall correctly, I believe it's Tim, who is a huge Jellyfin guy, not a Plex guy, and basically was like, what? How are you still using Plex?

The answer is because my Plex... Lifetime license. Oh, yeah, there's that. But I think Jellyfin is open source and free anyway. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Jellyfin's open source. Yeah, the free software media system. But more importantly,

my Plex is already set up and already works. However, I have actually had enough problems with Plex that we have a conditional not working with you. I don't know if I would call it an order, but basically I told the sales team that we're not going to work with Plex until they resolve some of my long-time issues with it. my long time issues with it. Um, some of my long time issues include, um, the fact that it doesn't advance to the next episode properly on some of my devices. And I'm like, this is ridiculous. That's like fundamental. Uh, one of my long time issues is that, um, oh yeah, right, right, right. Downloading local copies to mobile devices has, as far as I can tell, been completely broken for like over a year. Again, that's something that I consider to be core functionality. And some of the other features that are not why I have it, I have it so that it will manage my media library and so that I can watch my media library on all my devices. Anything else is utterly irrelevant and might as well not exist.

Yeah, download to local just does not work for me properly on Android or iOS. This came about because of a recent trip that i went on with the kids and i wanted to load up devices with movies and tv shows for the plane and between my son's one plus seven something whenever they did that mclaren edition he's got that one between my son's one plus my wife's samsung my Samsung foldable. So I expect some weirdness, but my other more different Samsung and my iPhone 13, I couldn't get any one of those devices to reliably download content. Some of them went through, but you can't just queue it up and expect it to finish. And I basically sent out an irate email in the middle of the night as I'm preparing for this like 5 a.m. flight that was like, we are not working with them again

until this is fixed. So yeah, I might be at that point now. Because that's, again, it's fundamental. Like it works great for certain things. I have no desire to use anything other than plex and the nvidia shield for the theater room i don't touch anything else there's just no reason to right everything is flawless and perfect but on mobile devices i have just not had a lot of fun with it so i yeah i don't know maybe yeah maybe i'll give jellyfin a shot because one

of the other things that i'm going to be doing soon is uh switching off of unraid for for my plex or i guess jellyfin and uh firing it up on trunas scale uh so i've switched to trunas for most storage but i haven't gotten around to setting up a docker container for plex so i actually still have all the media on my my older server which doesn't matter to me that much because the main reason that i migrated was due to reliability concerns those are really old drives in there now yeah um and so if i like like like what i'm gonna lose a couple blu-ray rips that's not a big deal to me whereas like losing pictures and home videos would be would be catastrophic okay i've got another one here from christopher hey guys with the popularity of handhelds like

steam deck do you think amd or intel will explore putting gddr on the cpu package for the igpu to use and if so do you think even two gigabytes would be improving the performance? Oh, okay. Well, there's a couple of different angles that we can approach this from. So first of all, I doubt that AMD or Intel would do it. I think that AMD might do it,

but it would be a custom silicon product, kind of like, I mean, really, what this sounds like to me is an Xbox or a PlayStation processor, like they've done for the last couple of generations. In those cases, it's not on package, but it's designed to interact directly with Gddr memory and the operating system is designed to use that same gddr memory for both system memory and graphics memory um i think that solution's pretty good yeah it it seems to work pretty darn well for game consoles yeah but there are a couple of concerns so one your suggestion of putting just a couple of gigs, unfortunately, wouldn't really work because it's, oh man, okay, maybe it could.

Maybe you could load assets into your higher speed GDDR memory until it's full and then go out to main memory. But the problem with that is that GDDR memory is faster than regular DDR memory, but it's not that much faster. So it's not like using an SSD to cache a hard drive. Like it's not an order of magnitude faster.

So using it as a cache, I think would have so much overhead that you would actually lose more than you would gain by doing it that way. So what you would have to do then is you would have to put the full amount of memory that you intend to have in this product on package like that. Now, Apple has gone and put system memory on package not on die but on package and so i i don't see any reason why we couldn't see something like that in the future but i doubt that that's something that amd or especially intel would just productize and hope that somebody's gonna buy it yeah that's the kind of thing that valve might have to come to AMD and say, hey, we're going to pay the however many millions upon millions of dollars for you guys to do the R&D to build this product.

And we are then going to sell millions upon millions of Steam decks, and it's going to be great. My other concern about sharing that memory, because I would kind of imagine that that would be a shared memory. I mean, if you're going to have like a super high speed memory that's sitting on package, well, heck, you might as well use it for everything. But I don't, this is just something that I'm not going to be able to speak to very well because I simply don't know enough about it. But I would have concerns about performance and compatibility with regular pc games that are designed to

uh have two different memory pools so you've got your gpu you've got your vram and then you've got your system memory i don't know how they would handle those being one and the same then again i don't know if you ever saw this video, but there was that super weird Chinese console that actually did take that approach and ran Windows and seemed to run games. So maybe it's fine. But there's a drawback

because GDDR memory, even though it's very high bandwidth, is also higher latency compared to regular ddr memory which is not good for cpus so i don't know yeah yeah hbm sure how much you want to spend on a steam deck yeah 900 bucks let's go yeah whoo hbm memory uh so yeah, from like a, from a technology standpoint, there's no reason it couldn't be done. But from a practical standpoint, I don't see it happening anytime soon. NWGat asks, what about Xbox and PlayStation?

Yes, but that memory is not on package. The question was, what about right next to the CPU die? Because the closer the memory gets, the lower the latency, which is great. But the more integrated this product is and the less generally useful it is. Like AMD can't take that product that they developed for Steam Deck 5 or whatever it is and just put it in a box and sell it at Newegg. So ultimately, that cost of developing it

has to be covered by someone and that someone is going to be a customer. That's not going to be AMD. They're not just going to build that and hope somebody buys it. Why don't we move on to... Oh, we should do sponsors. Holy smokes,

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What topic would you like to talk about next? Let's jump over here. Elon Musk is not a free speech absolutionist, perhaps? Sure, let's do it. Let's get through it quickly. Yeah, I like that. I like that idea. So lots of things have happened on twitter there's been the twitter files stuff there's been it's i think every 12 hours they try to drop some type of craziness on twitter to keep the users rolling um so it's been a little bit too much to cover we haven't been covering it as much as when

when this stuff first started because i think we're all getting a little a little tired um but what we have talked on the show about before is elon jet the twitter account that used to track well elon's jet if you couldn't figure that out and there were other similar ones for other high profile public figures using publicly available jet information to that's an important one because it's not like this information is now gone because the twitter account is gone no it's just not being automatically posted on twitter but like it got that information from a public resource that anyone can access so the information is 100 still there and able to be accessed by anyone. It's not like this person had privileged information is what I'm trying to say. So that person who, again, we talked about this on the show,

Elon offered them 5K to delete their account way back. They asked, how about 50? They wanted a Model 3. Like an actual fan was the one doing it, which is sort of interesting. Yeah, I think it was 50 so that I can buy a Model 3. Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. Elon refused.

And if I remember correctly, and I don't really want to misquote this. Oh, no, here it is. He tweeted a while back. And he hasn't taken this down and a bunch of people have been roasting him for it. So it's still up. But he tweeted on November 6th, 2022, my commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk.

He has now banned the account tracking his plane. He has also, and this is where things get a little bit hazy for me, he has also banned a bunch of other accounts that as far as I can tell, talked about, I don't know genuinely, I think it's talked about, it might be retweeted. But yeah, interacted with that account i'm not yeah i'm not sure at i'm not sure where the cut off of interaction is yeah but some level of interacted with or talked about or something that account have also been banned just like right off the hop change the rule banned um yeah elon also spended the accounts of at least six journalists who have covered the twitter saga implying that they had dox's real-time location and endangered his family um as of now there is no evidence any of the journalists did this um well i mean the accounts are closed so you wouldn't be able to get i don't whatever um twitter has not provided any they don't't, as far as I know, their entire public communication side is gone, just like he did with Tesla.

Yep. So I don't think there would be, like, these things are not going to happen, basically. Elon posted a video on Wednesday of someone that he claimed was a crazy stalker who climbed on the roof of the car carrying his child X, which. Seems like a thing that someone might do. Yeah. That would, yeah. I mean, like that scenario would absolutely suck. Yeah.

You probably wouldn't want someone to try to block the road of a car that has your child in it and climb on the roof of said vehicle. Yep. That would be, I suspect if someone was a parent and that happened to their child, they would be pretty freaking absolute red line yes exactly yep um yeah he he posted the one thing that i thought was somewhat entertaining was he you know how he's been doing a lot of the video was the issue with the video is that it's not on topic none of those journalists had anything to do with that

so well i think the my assumption was that it had something to do with his plane landed and then they were trying to drive away from where it was and they were followed by this person okay so the root of the information was the plane okay that's my i don't know if that's what's going on that's my level of understanding sure um yeah i don't things things are a little crazy over in twitter land um zach from jerry rig everything yeah here i've got this got banned by by elon or blocked by elon sorry yeah not banned off the platform i said that incorrectly he got blocked by elon uh because in video of, as far as I can tell, one of the security guys getting video coverage of the person who chased them. And then also covering the license plate.

Getting video footage of the license plate that Elon tweeted out. Jerry Rigg, everything responded and said, yo, contact the police. Don't send your mob. Didn't you just tweet that Doc Singh is is against twitter rules and elon blocked him didn't ban him yeah so that's neat yeah uh the some suspensions seem to be specifically affecting people who point out Elon's hypocrisy. Shortly before his band, not band, band,

Mashable reporter Matt Binder, Binder, sorry, posted screencaps of Elon encouraging people to invest in Tesla the day he dumped $3.6 billion in stock. Um. Oh, man. the day he dumped 3.6 billion in stock um oh so that's pretty good um but like the eu and the un published statements contending twitter's decision oh man uh oh yeah oh oh that's not here. But Mastodon's official account has been banned. Yeah.

So you are not allowed and you can't link to Mastodon anymore either. But I think people can still put their like Mastodon usernames or whatever. Yeah, in their profile. Yeah, but I think you just can't link to the site. Yeah, we'll see when that happens. Yeah. When that happens, that'll be a lot of people. Nick showed me, you know, I was with you until Nick showed me something really interesting today

where I think your take on sort of the, some of the hysteria around, oh, it's just Twitter's going to collapse immediately was like, well, like it's running. Like it's not going to just immediately fall apart yeah nick showed me a recording on his phone today of the twitter app doing some weird stuff dude did he show you that okay so he showed me a screen recording of him tapping on the same picture in a tweet three times and it having three completely different behaviors.

Once it opens the picture, once it navigates to a totally unrelated website, and a third time, it opens up a completely unrelated tweet. And I'm like, what? Cause I haven't seen anything that, I haven't seen anything that bad. But honestly, I've not been using it as much.

Like, I think I've talked to you about this, but I've had myself on like a Twitter diet for a while. Like I set my app time limit to 30 minutes, like months ago, just because I realized I'm doing so much doom scrolling on Twitter and it's not really contributing anything. It's not making me feel better. I've been getting myself, I haven't done that, but I've been getting myself to be more busy and I just haven't had the time, which is a

good solution in my opinion. But yeah, I mean, Twitter's done weird stuff for a while. That's pretty weird. That's weirder than anything I've seen for sure um i still don't think it's necessarily going down anytime soon also uh there are still claims i don't know how true it is necessarily um there are still claims that uh what was it oh right users have peaked again oh yeah apparently because of the banning of people, I guess. People reacting to that are coming to Twitter and going, what's going on? Oh, I could see that. Yep.

I could see that. I don't know. Apparently we've hit another peak. I don't know that those users are going to interact in the long term. Who knows? What this means for the long-term health of the platform, I couldn't tell you. I mean, maybe there's a big brain 4d chess play more and more big names permanently leave that's an interesting one to me permanent's a

big word though yeah fair enough permanently gone in a year if the dust settles and i don't know yeah yeah but okay and another thing that i'll bring up about the the like uh twitter stability thing is people were saying it was going to be down in like a couple days yeah which is like clearly ridiculous that's the main thing that i was reacting to back then is it was at first it was like oh it's gonna be down a couple days and then they were like oh it's gonna be down by the weekend or whatever i don't remember what that was and they were like oh it's not gonna last until the next week well there was like the lettuce the lettuce comparison lettuce thing which no one talks about anymore probably because the lettuce is gross now um like the the goalpost just kept getting moved over and over and over and over and

over again i'm like okay relax um yeah the the nuking twitter spaces thing okay this is another one where like i i've heard about so much stuff happens on twitter and i just hate all of it because i hate twitter i have then this isn't new. Yeah, this is not new. Not new take. I have hated Twitter for years, way before any of this even started. So this is, don't even try to pull that out. But apparently there was a Twitter spaces going on and some people started and he joined it. No, I think it was one of the banned journalists or something or suspended ones all right they could still join spaces they could still join spaces but couldn't tweet or

something like that and he like joined it and elon joined the space and like they asked him some questions and then he left and then disabled the spaces feature altogether. Just killed it. And then brought it back like the next day or something. Are we seeing, are we seeing this new level of escalation as a result of him getting booed with Dave Chappelle? Like, is that because like, I got to tell you guys as a public figure,

if I went out on a stage was like introduced and, I mean, that sucks for anyone. And thought that like i was cool and i thought that people were gonna think i was pretty cool and i think pretty much regardless of how big your ego is if you go up in a in a public speaking environment in front of what was it probably a ton of people well i mean it's a it's a it's a dave chapelle live show so i have to imagine hundreds if not thousands i don't know how big you go in front of that many people and they and they boo you hard like that's gonna hurt yeah like pretty much no matter who you are and so i guess the knee-jerk reaction is to quiet try to try to eliminate criticism wasn't this supposed to be a quick topic? That is fair. It has not been 20 minutes, Hammy3D.

Banned! Turn off full-plane live chat. Turn it the f*** off now. AJ's like, I don't even know if we can do that. I just don't. You know, I just don't get it, right? Because, like, he spent his whole career being criticized. Like, I spent my whole career being criticized.

It's not new. It's just that the criticism is ramping up because the things you're doing are awful. The current volume is pretty high. So why would you double down and do way more awful stuff? I think that's a pretty normal human response. That's not going to help. I'm not saying and do way more awful stuff? I think that's a pretty normal human response. That's not going to help. I'm not saying it's a good one, but I think it's a pretty normal human response. It's not going to help, though.

Yeah. I don't disagree. We both go to take a drink. We both do the, like, lean away, lean away thing. I didn't realize we both did that. the like lean away lean away thing i didn't realize we both did that um yeah some people are talking about like uh freedom of speech and stuff like that what about it what stands for nothing yeah get over it one of the problems with the plane thing is again that that is that is public information plane plane routes planes with transponders on you can figure out where they are like that's and you planes need transponders yeah um so that's the thing yeah and now

apparently promote installing trains there you go apparently it's just on reddit now so he strice and affected the out of it yeah and like that that's what i was saying removing the twitter account didn't remove the information it just stopped the twitter account all of that is still public if people really wanted to know they are going to find it it's out there like i don't know anyways let's get off of twitter. Yeah, let's do that. Are we doing that? Are we pacting that now? Getting off of Twitter? Yeah, I'm not getting off of Twitter.

My problem is there are people that I must communicate with that communicate with me through Twitter DMs. I'm one of those people who's very chat app agnostic. Here's my social folder. i have pretty similar to mine i i'm missing i think two of those hangouts instagram whatsapp facebook messenger uh we chat line teams discord yeah it's just we chat in line i don't have those i don't even have my sms app in there and i have other ones that you don't have in there, actually, now that I think about it.

Oh, what you got? What you got? Hit me up. ICQ? Telegram at the very least. Oh, I have Signal. Signal. Or wait, yeah.

No, yeah, both of those, actually. Telegram and Signal. Signal's not in there because I don't use it much. But yeah, I have it. Et cetera, et cetera. Like, yeah, I'm on all of them as well. And there are, like, just like with Facebook, I only really use Facebook to private message certain people,

just like with Twitter. I need it because there are people that I have to be able to get DMs from for my job. So you're stuck with it. So I'm going to keep using it. Yep. Yeah. Pretty much. There it is. we chat on a western phone crazy to trust that did i say i trust it i have it some people that

i might need to talk to might not have western chat apps right yeah there you go i mean that's the thing like i just i don't that's this is one of the reasons that i don't understand the whole iMessage thing it's like oh yeah i love it i messaged what it's like it's like having a phone that only connects to certain lines why would you want it get like so if you need to why don't you just get a phone that connects to every line like you like imagine imagine trying to sell an email service where the main feature is that you can only email people who are on the same domain. How the f*** is that a feature?

That's a bug. Or like if you email someone who's on a different service, it's a degraded experience. It's like you get to shame them for being poor they can't afford this email i just i think there's some it security stuff where you can only email people in the same domain but that's like obviously we're talking about something yeah that's a completely different totally different thing yeah yeah i don't know i i it is what it is so i'm not gonna be completely getting off of twitter but i effectively don't

create new tweets anymore i like reply to stuff sometimes i interact with things sometimes but like i think my most recent tweet was the ovh video because i wanted re-blast it because I liked that video. I was trying to help promote it. The one before that, I think I'm like roasting you on your birthday. And then I don't even remember what's before that, but it's probably like a year ago or something. Like I basically don't use the platform anymore because I do not like it.

Oh man, this isn't in the doc, unfortunately, but did you see that it looks like the EU is going to force Apple to allow sideloading? Wait, I thought this was in the doc. Is it? Maybe I'm just dumb. I read notes on it. Did you? Yeah.

Did I just completely miss it? I don't know. I don't see it for some reason. I think it was something we were going to talk about anyway that could be amazing that sounds great yeah go eu there's i mean not everything but but definitely this definitely this i hope we're not missing it because i saw it as a topic i'm like certain um because they were talking about how there's some people that are countering it uh because they're saying if you allow side loading and that becomes common uh things like facebook and these other major applications might try to leave the app store

so they can get around the payment cut and if if that happens, then we're going to lose the security layer and people are upset about that. Okay. Then don't install any of those apps that are not in the App Store. And don't ever use a computer. It's called user choice. Any kind of computer.

Yeah. And it's really interesting to me when I hear the argument that the user choice is to not use an iPhone. Okay. But, but no. No, user choice and fair and open competition doesn't just mean, well then, okay, you just can't, then you're just completely locked out of one of the only two vendors in the duopoly that is smartphones

and also by the way both of them are behaving in exactly the same monopolistic way uh this is this is bad and we actually do need less legislation to fix this yeah so there you go yeah i think it's cool as well though let's go yeah yeah i'm pretty excited yeah we got a couple of other pretty interesting topics uh epic games is shutting down servers for a bunch of old games again okay like a lot so i i should have followed up on this and i didn't that is my bad this topic was shared with me uh where is it let me just search for epic uh i think there's some extra juice on this oh um where i think they have been removing games from stores as well interesting uh so in while he's looking that up the affected games include a thousand tiny claws dance central one

two and three the vr online multiplayer will remain up green day rock band monsters probably stole my princess rock band one two and three the beatles rock band supersonic acrobatic rocket VR online multiplayer will remain up. Green Day Rock Band, Monsters, probably, Stole My Princess, Rock Band 1, 2, and 3, The Beatles Rock Band, Supersonic, Acrobatic, Rocket-Powered Battle Cars, Unreal Gold, Unreal 2, The Awakening, Unreal Tournament 2003, Unreal Tournament 2004, Unreal Tournament 3, though that one will be reactivated and re-released for free as Unreal Tournament 3X.

It is already renamed. It is barred from sale on Steam, and that'll be on Epic Online Services in the future with cross-play between Steam, Epic Game Store, and Good Old Games. Unreal Tournament Game of the Year Edition. The master server has been up in some form or another since 1999, so goodbye.

It is possible to specify a master server manually, though, so players could use, for example, old Unreal via unreal.ini tweaks. Battle Breakers, Unreal Tournament Alpha, Rock Band Blitz, Rock Band Companion App, and Sing Space. Some games like Unreal Tournament Game of the Year have support for direct IP connections and should still be playable without the master server browser. And most also feature local multiplayer options but once again luke and i are bringing up how horrible this is and what it will mean for the next round of server end of life's when you just are utterly unable to use

these software titles that you paid for excuse me uh rented it's very frustrating uh did you find what you were looking to talk about no um i think it all right here we go one second the reason close okay the reason for it is that uh Epic is pushing to support its Epic Online Services system, which they say will provide a unified friend system, voice chat, parental controls, and parental verification features. Okay. I guess. Yeah, like some...

Is this in here? Yeah, like Unreal Gold. Unreal Gold. yeah like some is this in here yeah like unreal gold real gold i don't know a ton about this game and yeah like if you look up unreal gold on steam right now it says notice unreal gold is no longer available on the steam store yep so if you didn't get it that's it and there didn't appear to be a ton of warning for this recent reviews are apparently like this is a single player game or it's listed as a single player game on on steam so it's it's not that they just like because this is talking about turning off servers right yeah epic says some titles will still work offline while there's not be playable at all.

So Unreal Gold is not sold anymore? I guess. I mean, was anyone really buying it? I don't know. It came out in 1998. It's not really the point though. I know. It just sucks. Yeah. Just sucks. Yeah. But my game in history. Unreal Gold is just like the first one in the list so that's what i dove into but i don't i don't know if like some of these other ones are also off the store it also sounds like like there's a note lower down somewhere to do where like the game is being re-released i don't remember which one that's unreal uh three unreal tournament three yeah being re-released as unreal 3x yeah i already talked about that barred from the steam sale and it's on epic game services so i feel like part of this is trying to get it to move to their own stuff

well yeah absolutely it is epic seems to be the only other game store owner that is still holding holding out it's like no no we will we're gonna compete with steam everyone else has come crawling back oh except blizzard uh activision blizzard is still on blizzard won't yeah i am 100 certain blizzard won't um because they've been doing it a lot longer but ea ubi they're back yeah they're back baby because blizzard had their own launcher back when tons of things had their own launcher and they actually had like a launcher for it and everyone got used to using it yeah before steam just like ran everything because they blizzard was doing an mmo and back in the day steam didn't support mmos through steam right actively um so like yeah people just got used to it i don't think blizzard is ever going to bail um blizzard is getting

people pretty used to launching cod no you can just buy cod through so activision part of blizzard is still using steam i guess but don't expect by diablo 4 yeah yeah on steam yeah i think that's where we're at yeah yeah ubi caved recently yep matter of time anthony's take um you know how long should game companies really be expected to keep older games afloat though and to epic's credit a lot of their older games using unreal engine are very open and easily modded not all of these games are though uh regardless of how long they were supported for though im IMO, once they sunset games, they should release the server software and tools for the community to restore them.

Yeah, so my point isn't actually at all how long companies should be expected to keep games afloat. I can totally understand if you're like, man, we have zero users on almost every day, not wanting to keep those servers going. But it is entirely based around those companies releasing the server softwares and tools needed for the community to restore them like like anthony said

that is that is where literally my entire argument lies because the only thing i'm worried about at a certain point because you brought up like how many people are still playing this yeah that's very valid for a lot of games probably no one yeah probably literally no one but people should be able to down the line if you want to for like literally historical reasons yep like we we shouldn't lose the entire history of video game development that would be really depressing like it's actually a huge deal yeah just like hardware bot removed our y cruncher world record yeah what happened there um well we released a video recently setting a world record for uh calculating 2.5 billion digits of pi in y cruncher uh you guys would have seen us submit the results live but hardware bot actually removed our score from the leaderboards

why is it because they're bad people no uh it's because we didn't submit the screenshot right and we didn't have cpuz or gpuz open in the screenshot so we could actually probably grab a still from the video and resubmit it but um i told adam that that's probably not worth the time to set up the server again and run it again and like submit it again so we're not going to do that uh it was definitely fun setting some world records and i'll know i'll know we had it but uh apparently it's it's it's unofficial now it's unofficial now. It's unofficial. Yeah. What's this? Linus and Luke react to Linus dropping things 2022 edition?

So this is kind of an amazing... This is a really well edited video. Oh. It's got... How many views does this have now? It's kind of ridiculous. Let me just... Yeah. 450K. Yeah. 450,000 views oh how am I on an account that doesn't have premium right now me too for crying out loud oh oh geez yeah here comes another one

it's nine and a half minutes long? No, no, no. I skipped it. Oh, yeah. Should we have sound for this? Do you want to have sound? Very high. Mine is muted. I don't know which one of us you're watching. Oh, him.

Yeah. Let me make sure you guys can hear it. Don't worry. I caught it with the foot. Because the KS wasn't out yet. Oh, I can hear it. Look at that. Can you hear it, Luke?

Yes. I thought there was something wrong and I realized... I need to watch that one. Uh-oh, I think I've got an echo from you. We never... They don't hear you. Oh, cool. Or like, I can text him...

That was a good one. Tell me a little story. good one tell me a little story all right all right that's enough of that story this was actually last week but we missed it and that was not intentional not a word that wasn't intentional either anyway it's too long for us to watch the whole thing on WAN show but I just I definitely felt the comedic timing

of the edit was better than most of things like this that I've seen I thought that Mr. Chicken Banner Lord did a pretty good job pretty good job so I won't have to DMCA take down you this time. This time.

Or ban you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Might block you, though. Have I ever really addressed this publicly? Our stance on remixing our clips into other videos? We have sort of.

I think it's always been on Wayan Show, though. But we have sort of. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, we're chill. Because we... Yeah. Context dependent. into we have sort of i think it's always been on way and show though but we have sort of yeah okay anyway we're chill because we yeah context dependent yeah if you are if you're trying to pass off our footage as your own like say for example if you were to upload a review of a graphics card and just shamelessly put our b-roll into your video um i i get i get pretty annoyed by that we're not not so down with that um if you ask in advance which is very easy to do because we're not hard

to get in touch with i have i think every time said yep no problem just make sure you credit us yeah we just we want to see like proper credit and, uh, and a link in the video description. But other than that, I don't really think we have any, any rules about it. Yeah. Not particularly. So yeah, we've always been, I think, uh, I think pretty, pretty, pretty open as far as all that stuff goes. Anyway, I thought this was, I thought it was pretty funny. I thought they did a good job that was it

that was all and then i've got another little side topic here can we ban apps that copy metadata when you try to copy text i also okay i want to attach something on this, which is more of a people pattern thing. So that would be great. But also, I think when you send someone a message that's like an address or a phone number, or basically something that you know is going to be copied, man, would I love it if it was its own message well you know that's actually that's actually what started this was uh someone sent me their wi-fi um ssid and password in one message on teams yeah and i tried to copy the password and i was

like i hate this because for whatever reason teams and Microsoft's infinite wisdom does not allow you to select part of a message and copy it and it is absolutely infuriating this trend towards not allowing you to interact with text on the screen the way that you would intend to started in my mind with right clicking and copying a hyperlink in a google search result and it pasting a whole bunch of tracking crap progressed to uh texting apps that will copy like a timestamp and username and whatever else when you paste their stuff and also offer no way to just manually select the part of the text you want so you just you can't paste things where they just need to go and it just adds a bunch of clicks for no reason and it's really annoying because a lot of times when you have to

input into a field that field is often very size restricted yep so now you have to trim the message in a very size restricted field in some other app which is so annoying and then paste it over i've i've sent people back their own messages but like basically cropped like they'll they'll be like here's oh no problem but still in the same message here's this information here's this information here's a bunch more text and i'll just send them back just the like password completely new message that account name completely new message that and then you copy your own sent message nice nice it's just it's so it's so frustrating uh adam says pixel phones can copy text from app switcher that is an utterly unnecessary solution to a problem that

should have never existed yeah that's the that's the issue and to be be clear, this is not a world-ending problem. This is not a huge deal. It takes at most another 10 or 20 seconds to get around this every time I encounter it. For me, it's not about how much time it wasted. It's about how utterly unnecessary it was. It's just annoying. It should have never happened. There was no reason for it was. It's just annoying. It should have never happened. There was no reason for it whatsoever.

Yeah. Just makes me mad. Pretty much. Oh, man. Oh, a really good one is you know how when someone sends you an address or a phone number

in a lot of text apps, you can just like long press and like open in maps it'll know yeah yeah so if that message contains other extraneous crap it doesn't work and okay like i don't know at least on android in just kind of any any text field if you select something that's obviously a phone number it'll prompt you for the phone as well but no you can't do that in a chat app that also has that other stuff because there's no way to fucking select it.

Like we have these modern conveniences, but then we get in our own way. No, no. Yep, yep. And like the thing is, I know I've been in all of these scenarios and I feel like everyone else must have as well. Yeah.

Because it's just like, it's a part of life right now and it's just unnecessary and annoying. Yep. Kim. I'm pretty happy about Dell apparently continuing to push forward their modular laptop demo. Dennis, yeah. This is Concept Luna. push forward their uh modular laptop dennis denna demo dennis yeah this is concept luna so this is like a new concept luna modular laptop that can apparently be disassembled in 30 seconds whoa so we're gonna watch this here 10 times fewer screws whoa what am i looking at here this is another ad you're looking at ads you know what i it out. I figured out why I can't see it

because I'm only looking at this. I'm only looking at the skip button. Did you notice how he said, what am I looking at here? Because he didn't even recognize there was an ad. He does this and it's crazy. Like, it's not crazy as in he's crazy.

It's just I can't, I like wish I could. So I think it's like frustrating that I can't just block them out like that. Here we go. Check this out whoa 30 seconds let's go man when i used to work with laptops all the time this would have been so sweet i know right and what's really cool is they're they're pitching like a sustainability sustainability element of this where when it comes to like refurbishing or for large organizations, you know, reassembling partially working laptops into full working laptops, just fewer of them. Apparently those QR codes are so that it's like super easy to to test it and identify it so that you can so you can much more easily do that it's so cool that's awesome this is really

awesome yeah um so lots of rails pogo pins card edge connectors uh no cables no screws nothing no screws if you can eject a sim, you can disassemble this laptop. What? And its thickness is still close to a current year 13-inch Dell Latitude with internal volume to spare for higher-end components. Is that wild or what? Whoa, that is super cool. Now, this is not a real product, not yet, but Dell is hinting that we could see elements of this project make their way into real products

down the line. I suspect you will have some screws in a real product. Maybe. Maybe you're right. But I think some screws are okay. Some screws are okay. Yeah. Especially if they're all the same.

Yeah. And like, I don't necessarily think that plastic clips are a better solution than a screw. Me neither. Yeah. You know, give me a good screw and I'll thank you. Yeah. It's amazing. This is another just like super dumb comment that I read this week.

It's just like, I hate the way that they've gotten so immature and there's so many sex jokes now. It was always like that. We have always been like Blink-182 level toilet humor. Oh yeah. It's genuinely always been a thing. I have learned nothing. I have grown up not at

all. Yeah. Yes. CEO, but it's just a title. Still me. The discussion question here is, thanks, Anthony. How does Linus feel about his investment in Framework now? Good. Yeah, I don't think... That was the point. Yeah, 100%. I mean, even off air, talking to Luke about the investment in Framework, talking internally to

the people here, I was very clear that my investment in framework was like, if it made money, I'd be surprised. Yeah. I love their mission. I love their mission. And to be clear, Dell is still not trying to compete with the framework mission. They have mentioned nothing

about upgrading your chassis like this. Right? It's still super cool regardless my framework laptop went from six cores to 12 core 4 to 12 whatever i like dramatically upgraded the hardware in that machine without replacing my chassis or screen or speakers or touchpad or anything like that it's super cool still um but really what i was investing in was the mission to make laptops less disposable. Yeah. And if, if this, if, if that was what it took to shine a big enough light on what framework was doing that Dell comes and does it better.

Fine. So be it. Yeah. I will, I will, I will kiss that money. Goodbye. Um, I do, I do still think that Framework has a solid shot. I don't know a lot that isn't public information, but I do know a little bit

and I don't want my money back. I'm pretty happy. I'm pretty happy with what they're doing. I'm happy with the direction that they're going. But if I lose it all, then I guess it's gone. And I feel the same way about the point is not financial game yeah i the the point was i want these things to exist and it's exactly the same with that nas software that i discussed last week i need an easy to use like prosumer nas that doesn't suck like it just it has to exist i am so tired of cloud being the

only user-friendly option other than stupid like one touch backup hard drives yeah because you want to not reliable you want to promote people to do their own like personal cloud stuff one but then it's it's hard it's hard yeah and i get it i get it you know full-time sysadmin part-time home lab user who does this kind of thing in their sleep i understand that to you it's not hard to my brother-in-law it might as well be brain surgery even for decently technical people yes like it's it's still a lot it's non-trivial and it's something that you need to like re-educate on constantly which also probably shouldn't really need to be that necessary what's wrong with synology is a great question how about the completely closed ecosystem that's what's how about the ridiculous pricing yeah you should be

able to have a functioning nas for literally zero dollars like there is hardware that people actually throw in the garbage that is perfectly capable of running a nas operating system and i get it in europe you might not actually want to run that because the power efficiency is going to be a killer but if you happen to live somewhere with cheap power, why is it going into the trash? It should still be used. Why are you going to throw that working hardware away, go buy some overpriced appliance, not to mention underpowered in a lot of cases,

that is not upgradable at all and that you're ultimately going to throw in the trash later. And your data sync can only go to other, well, okay, this is very old information. It's complicated. Okay. You knew where I was going with that? Yes.

You can sync to a lot of different things, but also syncing just to a target like properly is a little more complicated to set up. Okay. The point is there's a better way and I want there to be a better way. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much.

New topic. Should we, should we do more merge messages? Yeah, we should do a couple of merge messages probably. I bet there's a few that are built up here. Yeah. Yeah. I've got some potentials you guys should probably have a look at too. Sure.

I've got one here from Ronald working in the medical imaging field i've seen that a lot of imaging data being moved to the cloud and uh he doesn't necessarily agree with it oh no uh what are your thoughts on medical imaging using cloud storage sounds terrible but also i mean this ties in perfectly to what we were just talking about so what is every like small independent office supposed to have a full-time it person to handle their in a lot of cases like regulator uh not endorsed what's the bloody word i'm looking enforced like they're they're they're like regulated data storage like compliance system like they this is what this is what my like company before i started working with you was right so who's going to manage their compliance

when it comes to safely storing all this data in a secure and reliable fashion i mean cloud is the answer uh is it actually safe well i don't know i hope so yeah but like what if you could so so one of the one of the things that i've told this nas software developer that i insist exists is a peer-to-peer. I insist exists. Yeah, a peer-to-peer encrypted backup solution. Yeah, that's great. So that if Luke and I were each running Linus Naz or whatever it ultimately ends up being called. Please don't.

It's not. It's not. It has a name. I just said it's close to it. Okay. Oh, God. We don't need to go down that path again. One of Knaz.

Anywho. Sorry. Okay, keep going. If Luke and I each had one, it should be as simple as entering each other's profile, like friending each other, essentially, and being able to allocate backup space to each other that is then encrypted so that even with access to the hardware luke cannot look at my

files and i can't look at his but we know that our data is safely stored somewhere off-site yeah that should not be complicated in the year 2022 that should be like three clicks and if it's not we suck yeah i could totally see that being amazing for our professional offices too like if you could just have like dr net i mean this is the this is in my opinion the biggest problem with uh with like at home storage for basically anybody is if you want to back it up because everyone tells you like oh it's not a backup if it's raid whatever so you're like oh okay i know i'm not i probably shouldn't use the voice but the reason why i use the voice is because a lot of people hear that and then they go cool but i don't really have the technical ability or the knowledge or whatever to fix said problem so like great thanks i don't know like

what am i supposed to do with this information so if you can give them something to do with that information yeah that would be awesome that'd be nice uh leo lan asks didn't you say that if you have physical access to a server that encryption security doesn't matter anymore encrypted data um as long as it is properly encrypted is probably going to be very difficult to gain access to at this point in time you would still like as as we said before no security is absolute yes i yeah when we've said things like that there's often been context around it like for example when we talked about how apple allowed the chinese government to dictate which data center all of their Chinese customers' data was stored in. What we mean is... That's an entity with extreme capability

and extremely long-term access and yada, yada, yada. Essentially, it's a CCP-owned data center. So, come on. Yeah. Come on. Yeah. Right? owned data center so come on yeah come on yeah right um and in a lot of cases like we're talking about a situation where the way that the like okay something like bitlocker for example if you had unlimited time and access to an encrypted drive you might eventually be able to brute force it. But in this case, if it's just a dump of encrypted data, um, I don't have the technical expertise to know

what it would take to break into it. Do you know anything about that? Like it seems to be completely honest, reading potential potential merch messages but you're talking about breaking encryption on files yeah just on just on just a dump of data in like a in a container file if you're if you're taking brute force uh if you're taking the the attack vector of brute force yeah like as 256 you can somewhat like measure how long that's going to take or measure an estimation of how long that will take on average i should say right um if it i mean there is always the potential that it guesses it first try uh but like the chance of that is you know uh well my password is password so what do you think oh would it get it might get it in the first 50 or something yeah um but yeah

there's there's some amount of measurable difficulty there for brute forcing uh but then you also have to question the ability of removing the lock right right uh because you can you can basically always compare any type of security to almost any other type of security because they're similar similar attacks right so for um yeah you yeah there's always the possibility of finding a way to remove the lock or go around the door or do whatever, basically some way that you don't have to interact with guessing the password. So nothing is ever 100%. If something exists, you should not assume that security on it is 100%. If anyone tells you that security on it is 100% either they are a fool or you should deeply question the motivation that they have for telling you that that's basically it what is this

yeah there's always a way yeah that's great um okay hit me again more uh this one's from ryan happy holidays having heard all the recent talk about the ai in the media and art how do you view ai and art as it relates to copyright saw a tweet thread about this relation to disney and mickey mouse all right i'm tagging in coach um so i curated this one from the potential merge questions uh so i'm going to use this question as an on onboard to say other stuff that I was planning on saying but didn't get full preparation for. But I want to start the conversation. In some of the comments on last week's WAN, there was some valid criticism of my stance on a few AI things. There was a few different comments talking about how uh i seemed quite pro gpt or large large language model ai things and i was quite anti art model bots oh okay so i was talking about how i didn't like ai art i did and in the show, I was talking about how I did like GPT.

Sure. And people were saying that that was fairly hypocritical. And I think from watching the show and the things that were talked about in the show, I think that stance was quite fair, to be completely honest. I think part of that reason is because I haven't dove far enough into my reasons for that. And to be completely transparent, a fair amount of my opinion on that and to be completely transparent a fair amount of my opinion on that at that time was basically a vibe check right i hadn't really dove into it enough i have dove into it a bit now i still don't think it's enough and i think one of the reasons why it's not enough is i think this is actually just a ridiculously ridiculously complicated topic well yeah sure like it's it's really really hard um

i think there are some problems there's lots of problems one of them is that the training depth is highly questionable on some of the ai art generators to the point where I have found examples where it is trained on one artist. And when you ask it to output different things, it basically just outputs pretty much exactly what that artist did. I have also done some stuff, I was talking to you about this, where I search for a specific term that is highly related to an extremely famous piece of art and i've gotten a bunch of different ai art generators to output pretty much just the original with some extremely minor changes like hey we didn't copy it haha yeah and and this is like i'm talking i'm not giving it a ton of terms i'm'm not being super, super hyper specific

so that if you asked pretty much any human artist to do this, they would have output pretty much the exact same thing. I'm not saying like, draw me a cogwheel and pretty much everyone draws the same cogwheel. I'm like, or I'm not saying draw me a cogwheel at this exact orientation and then blah, blah, blah with this many spokes, all that kind of stuff. I'm giving somewhat vague things and not very many okay i'll just say the term i said um arab girl green eyes

yeah gee i wonder what image you end up with and that's all i gave them so it has uh a race it has a color of eyes and it has a gender that's it wait you mean this one and that's the i believe that's the original yes um and these ai art programs were putting out pretty much that at like you know different angles and stuff yeah but like oh maybe a different color of you know robe or whatever this was i did this like yeah almost immediately after last one so it's been a little while but if i remember correctly she has freckles sure and like every single one she had freckles in it i don't know how common that is but but but but like wow it was it was afghan i don't know sorry i did this like a week ago. I don't remember the

exact search term. Um, I, I lifted basically this scenario from somebody on Twitter, but they deleted their post. I wanted to share it on the show. They, they deleted or privated or they did something with their post and then I couldn't get it back again. Uh, cause I wanted to attribute the, they also had photos of it happening and they had everything and it was really good, but I think they, they got a bunch of heat from the people that are very pro AI art and they decided to private everything, which is totally, that's fine. But I just wanted to use that and I couldn't. So I redid it. I don't remember exactly what the search terms were.

Anyways, that photo was re-spat out by a ton of them. spat out by a ton of them then i dove into it and figured out that there was one particular artist that was upset because someone had trained an ai art model off of only their art um and like there's all this weird stuff going on i think the ai art space is very murky right now i think there are ways to do it right i don't think it's automatically bad yep i think there have been a lot of bad examples are we having this conversation less around chat gpt because it is far less obvious what it was trained on i think so i have because writing is another like in danger profession that has uh been i mean been under attack for a long time like this is not this is not new i was reading a really interesting article recently about how the proliferation

of celebrity kids books not just celebrity but also i'm adding this part this was not part of the article but celebrity kids books and also old kids books has made it really difficult for new artists and new writers to break out into the children's literature space. Because why would you go and invest in publishing a new artist's book when you can just print more copies of the cat in the hat?

Or, you know, I don't even know if Martha Stewart has a children's book or whatever. Or you could just get someone to ghostwrite Martha Stewart counts turkeys or whatever, right? Sure. And that's so much more likely to end up in the checkout aisle at the grocery store than some random thing. And it's kind of like killing creativity. Now, I want to make it very clear. The ABCs of gaming was not a cash grab, was not particularly profitable

compared to what else I could have spent my time on for how many we've sold. And it's about met my expectations in terms of sales. And I did not have it ghostwritten. I actually wrote it, every word. I'm not saying that that's like hard and i'm some kind of like master poet or anything like that i'm just saying that uh it was not just a marketing gimmick for the book i just wanted it to exist so i made it that's kind of how we do things but um kibber in flow plane chat says kim kardashian's daddy isn't feeling well is that an actual book

shut up wait what no okay okay i thought that might i thought that might have actually been a children's book. Anyway, so the point is that writing is another art form that has absolutely been under attack. And I just, yeah, I wonder if the conversation is just different because examples of plagiarism are so much more difficult to point at and go, there, that, that was obviously trained on that article. to point at and go there that that was obviously trained on that article yeah it's it is far easier with art and that's that's another thing that i came to was like is gpt better or is it just harder to tell and i have some minor counters to that uh someone at flip plane chat just said i put afghan girl green eyes into dolly too and it's super similar it's like yeah um code is the one way that i've kind of poked that so something that i started doing was i

started looking at um googling questions where you would expect a code output and finding the top responses and then asking gpt chat the same question and getting a different response oh okay that did happen but but and i haven't gotten a bunch of this produced and this is where i'm saying like this is not an end a finalized conversation and i'm very interested in people continuing to dive into these things um And I think it matters because I think pretty much now is when we need to figure out how all this stuff is going to work. But I have heard claims that people have gotten code outputs and then people have asked it to,

or they got code outputs and they asked it to include comments and the comments included unique things from people who wrote original code that was highly related. code outputs and they asked it to include comments and the comments included unique things from like people who wrote original code that was highly related uh like names and stuff oh weird i have never seen i've never seen an example of that okay which has me a little sus right okay um because almost every time anyone's like oh look at this thing gpt did they have screenshotted it and i have not seen screenshots of this but i have heard of it screenshot even if you had it could easily

be faked so that too especially with text because you can just inspect element just and people have done that with gpt i know that for sure i was planning to come on this show and talk about how gpt had been uh uh like cut down very substantially and what it was able to do and then uh literally yesterday they like patched it and now it's not so i don't know i was like gonna come on the show and complain about how it just tells you it can't do anything all the time yeah and then you have to fight it to get it to do it and then they updated it and part of the patch notes is like it will do things more often instead of saying that it can't and i'm like oh all right well that's cool uh so yeah i don't know it's a it's a really complicated question um does making it so that your model is trained off of

everything instead of one person make it better uh or does that just make it more plagiarized yeah yeah i'm not sure i my my gut kind of says i don't know if it makes it okay but it does feel a little bit better because when i saw the ai art model that was trained off of one person that that was gross to me that was like really not cool or okay at all because you were genuinely getting very similar things and i'm not just saying this to defend the artist the originals were definitely better they were clearly better you could see that there was a vision for it there was an idea for it and it was more actualized like this is someone who's clearly very good at art um but the ai art was pretty good

if i hadn't seen the originals i would have thought the ai art was like really solid, you know? So I don't even remember what the original question was, but. The original question was, Linus, can you clarify what's going on with the cost of BYOC tickets at LTX 2023? I screwed that up. The BYOC ticket is supposed to include admission for the two days. Whoa. So I told Chase that's too cheap

and we are changing the price. Yeah, I was gonna say that's really cheap. Yeah, that was like very not good pricing for it. Anyway. And that's also, if it helps Chase to feel better, I don't think that's how that normally works. Like for PAX, you have to buy a pass to the event and then you also get your BYOC badge.

Yeah. So anywho, we're getting it sorted out stay tuned uh but on the subject of art see i'm gonna bring it back there hey there we go i get to show you guys the uh draft branding for orca and dolphin packages oops um oh that is so sweet so we have have whales, orcas, and dolphins. Oh, the dolphins don't get a chain. Oh, I see. So it goes chain with the dollar thing.

Yeah. And then it's just chain and then it's no chain. Yeah. I asked... You've got glasses though. I asked Sarah to do more like Oakley, like beach douchebag um sunglasses on this one yeah and she she thinks that those look stupid and doesn't want to put them on the dolphin but i was like yeah but dolphins are assholes so like i i tell you what please humor me draw it on and then we can fight it out with the ab in our next in our next meeting and she was like

okay so i think i think we'll get to we'll get to see that sometime soon cool uh in other internal news uh floatplane exclusives will be going up well at least one will be going up on lmg clips as an experiment we're going to run one of them the behind the scenes from our shoot with nerdforge and it will be available for 48 hours if you guys like seeing a little bit of float plane on youtube the idea here is to use it as a promotional mechanism for float plane so you guys can see it and go oh there's like hours and hours and hours and hours of more stuff like this on float plane oh cool and we can sign up because that's a little old at this point it's great newer stuff. Because that's a little old at this point.

It's great. It's a little older at this point. But it's a little older at this point. Yeah. We actually have way too many topics this week. There's a lot. I think we might have to kind of call it there and just go to Q&A and merge messages. How far in are we?

What time is it? Yeah. Oh, wow. We are very deep into the show. Yeah. And I have to pee. So that's going to be our limiter here. All right.

Here's another one from Danny. First check cleared for my first real IT job. Nice! Getting a backpack to be my work slash tool bag. A question for Linus or Luke. Have there been any recent gaming publishers slash developers that you've committed to boycott? My library is getting thin with no activision blizzard ea riot or ubisoft games you have a fantastic opportunity

to start playing indie games yeah wow that's pretty thin um not me personally um i wish i was as principled as that but i i can't say that in my line of work i even necessarily have the luxury of not buying games from a particular developer like i'm not gonna go well we're just never gonna benchmark anything from ubisoft um and that's you know what that's that's weak right like that's a weak sauce take. I'll own it, because a more principled take would be, no, I strongly disagree with the way X company treats Y members of their team or whatever else,

and I'm drawing a line in the sand. We will just not acknowledge them in any way, but I'm weak. I have put content that will appeal to the people who will play those games and will buy those games. I have put that first in this case. Okay, here's another one from Corbin. How long do you think x86 is long for this world? My understanding that it's their instruction set is getting very bloated. And would PC building survive such a drastic change? And I think he does a pretty good job of actually addressing this very issue, because even if x86 sticks around, it's very clear that more tightly integrated components have not only

cost advantages for manufacturers, but also practical advantages. I mean, we talked earlier on the show about how beneficial it can be to put DRAM extremely close to a CPU die. Well, that ain't changing anytime soon. And as we start to build interconnects with higher and higher and higher speeds, like we saw with the Dell Cam video, did you happen to see that? Dell created a new standard for laptop memory modules that allows the oh yeah that allows the dram packages to get closer to the cpu so that we can actually hit ddr5 speeds um without i'm sorry where was i going with this

right so we can hit ddr5 speeds uh without losing the modularity that comes with a removable module so they don't just have to solder the bloody things to the board. And I think, yeah, we're going to see more and more integration. So regardless of how long x86 is for this world, I think there's going to be some challenges ahead for custom PC building, for sure. Okay. And last one I've got here is from Tristan.

Hi guys. First, Luke, can you finish explaining how the stream is distributed? Second, Linus, Linux? from tristan hi guys first luke can you finish explaining how the stream is distributed second linus linux i'm waiting to uh i'm waiting on a rack mounted gaming chassis on the store no time soon no progress updates none sorry uh yeah it wasn't all that complicated basically i was just describing that we have our own restreaming service in-house, basically. So when we stream from here, we're actually streaming to a floatplane server, and then the floatplane server

redistributes to Facebook, Twitch, YouTube, and also floatplane. And also floatplane. I think that's it. That's it. Do we support Twitter? No. I thought we did at some point. Did you guys ever experiment with that? I think you asked me

to and i think i decided no so i'm not the only one who doesn't listen yeah that's fair enough in this case you were listening actually i don't i don't remember i think i'm trying to remember aj would remember i i think we might have looked into it and it was like possible but annoying or something i don't remember what it was sure yeah i'm over it's also very possible that i was just like nah but i said yeah i don't know um david no i'm sorry i don't have any hot takes on virtual desktop's latest quest update which requires an internet connection apparently because of piracy i mean i guess that's pretty obnoxious but um nope sorry uh philippe asks is it true that most

of the amd aibs will be reusing their huge heatsink designs from the 4080 and 4090 for 7900 XT and XTX designs, leaving us with incredibly overbuilt heatsinks. I don't, well, okay. So there's a couple of things. One, no, they will not be reusing exactly the same design. There will be new design work,

but B, a lot of the technologies that they invest in, whether it's to do like a direct heat pipe on chip, you know, cooler design, or whether it's tooling to build a new kind of shroud or whatever else, they're absolutely going to reuse that to the greatest degree that they possibly can. So I think you'll see a lot of similarities. Andrew asks, hey, WAN team, if you could have any person living or dead receive

and review an ltt store.com product who would you choose and which product would you want them to check out billy mays you don't have anything that's slap powered oh wait no that's a different person yeah uh what did he do he did a ton of stuff he did a ton of stuff man man i'd want billy mays to check out man what would amaze billy mays i'd want him to do the screwdriver billy mays here and i've got the lgc screwdriver oh it'd be great it'd be glorious i i don't know i have no idea i'd be so happy and it'd be all positive i mean you know he never crapped on anything it would be kind of cool to find like the person who first invented any form of screwdriver and get them to check out

like this is how far we this is what we have now yeah it'd be pretty cool that'd be pretty cool uh aj asks uh speaking of framework do you ever think they will make laptops with gaming gpus i'd love to get one but i really need a decent g GPU in my laptop. I'd love to see them do it too. I think that that's something that's going to be a lot more challenging. I mean, it's been tried time and time again, like modular GPUs and laptops, right? seems to have basically no support from particularly nvidia who actually seems to have been on a mission to kill it for the last like five to ten years so i think it's going to be a real challenge but i would love to see them do it that's all i can really say about that yes i'm aware that it's a complete non-answer uh miles says hey linus and luke on the subject of p2p nas solutions have you heard of cubbit i think their goal aligns well with your values. It would be awesome to see it talked about in LTT.

I am not aware of this. I always pronounce it Cubbit. I've heard of them. I haven't looked deeply into it. Huh. Geodistributed cloud with immutable backup and S3 compatible object storage. It sounds kind of cool.

It also sounds probably complicated to use, which is not quite what I'm talking about, but yeah, it sounds kind of neat. And I think that's pretty much it. Yeah. I like really have to hit the bathroom. So bye. Yeah. Okay. Uh, yeah. Yeah. I'm on it. I'm on it. Again, next week, same channel. Yep. Hitting it. It didn't go clicking it again. Did we start the server? All right, I don't know I don't know I don't know what to do with my hands Via I could I go by again you get to all I! There we go. Betrayed by lions.