The Weekly Planet - 103 Best Sci-Fi Films
Episode Date: September 28, 2015This time around we're all about some of the best sci-fi films of all time!Plus we cover news of Darth Vader's return, Prometheus 2, Sinister 6, Ghostbusters a new Wolverine and I think we talk about ...Pan again for a bit? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday. With me as always is my co-host, Nick Mason.
Double thumbs up. Double thumbs up.
That's so many thumbs up. Well, they're kind of to one side.
They're a little tilted. They could go either way, couldn't they?
I don't like that.
Depending on how this podcast goes.
Oops, looking good. Looking good. Oh, wait. Hey, what's that over to one side. They're a little tilted. They could go either way, couldn't they? I don't like that. Depending on how this podcast goes.
Oops, looking good.
Looking good. Oh, wait.
Hey, what's that over there?
Can I look back?
Yes.
Oh, no.
Thumbs down.
No, we're good.
Great.
Great.
Everything's good.
I like that jumper.
Thank you.
You went to close the door of the man cave, your man cave that we're in.
Not a man cave.
Regular door.
And you've broken the door off it.
Yes.
That's because that couch you're sitting on on which I moved in with my brother,
which is enormous.
The one that you like.
Great.
Apparently, we nearly tore the door off.
But I fixed it using my skills.
I have a screwdriver.
We've yet to try and escape this room.
We might be trapped in here forever.
My dad gave me a toolkit once.
I think it's in case he dies.
I don't know.
I don't think your dad will ever die.
I've met him.
He's sturdy like an oak tree, that man.
Straight to the news?
Yes.
Let's do it.
Hugh Jackman has been doing the rounds for his movie Pan.
Charmingly.
Absolutely.
Great bloke, terrible movie.
We talked about that last week.
Yes, we did.
But he's been asked to-
In fact, we interrupted the regular news
just to talk about how terrible it was.
Again, didn't hate it, won't say it again.
Yeah.
I did hate it and I won't say it again.
Two opinions.
Twist.
Yeah.
Anyway, people have been asking about Wolverine,
how this is going to be his last outing in the Wolverine solo movie.
And they're like, who should be the next Wolverine?
And his response was,
I think Tom Hardy would be a great Wolverine,
which is not saying that Tom Hardy will be Wolverine
because Tom Hardy's doing a DC thing at the moment as well.
Sure.
He's doing 100 bullets.
And he was obviously already Bane.
Yeah, he's had his bloody bite at the cherry, mate.
He's had heaps of bites at the cherry.
Enough.
You don't think he'd be a good Wolverine?
No, I think he would, actually.
He can have as many bites of the cherry as he wants.
All the cherries.
Yep.
Until that cherry's just a pip.
No, I don't think it'll happen, but you never know.
He's kind of stocky.
He's short and stocky like Wolverine classic.
Yeah.
So what's he sort of committed to now?
100 bullets.
Yep.
Mad Max, I guess.
Which is going to be one movie.
I'm still not excited about 100 bullets being one movie.
How many?
You can't shoot 100 bullets in a movie.
Exactly. Not enough time. Yeah. Th not excited about 100 bullets being one movie. You can't shoot 100 bullets in a movie. Exactly.
Not enough time.
Yeah.
Thumbs down.
Bullet time, though.
Bring back bullet time.
Would you be upset if bullet time came back?
They'd need to give it another twist, right?
Yeah.
Surely.
Like curving bullets.
No, they did that.
Maybe they just spiraled back and hit you.
They kind of did that as well, though, didn't they, in Wanted?
I don't know, man.
How do you curve a bullet?
I think Wanted closed the book on all kinds of weird bullet geometries.
Okay.
So there's no more of that.
Everything's gritty and real now, man.
Yeah, true.
You can't curve enough.
We don't want to see bullets move.
No.
Yeah.
No, exactly.
You don't need it.
You know what I don't like?
A close-up shot of a sniper rifle, and you see it kind of go into the chamber and then it like fires out in a slow motion explosion and you follow the
bullet and like because video games can do that now so who cares like what do i i don't need to
say that i get it it's a gun jesus next news okay we just watched the uh the first footage from
jessica jones yes we did a little bit of a teaser well we saw some footage from j Jones. Yes, we did. A little bit of a teaser. Well, we saw some footage from Jessica Jones.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, we don't necessarily know that's her.
Nope.
I mean, we know that that's the character.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But we don't know.
That could just be whoever was on set that day.
Either of us.
In a wig.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so we see her.
She wakes up at three in the afternoon.
Some kind of stupor, alcoholic stupor she was in.
And she crushes her alarm clock.
That's pretty good.
I do find it odd that she had the presence of mind to set her alarm clock for 3 p.m., though.
That's weird, right?
Well, she got home drunk, presumably.
I think it says a lot about the character in just that little bit.
Like, you know, obviously the alcoholism and the kind of dysfunctional lifestyle and also the super strength.
So those are the things, aren't they?
They sure are.
Let's move on to the other.
I have a lot of faith in the Netflix, whatever the Netflix comes up with next.
Absolutely.
Oh, which reminds me.
I don't know if you're going to bring this up,
but Black Mirror has been confirmed for 12 more episodes on Netflix.
Yes!
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
When is that happening?
2016.
Okay.
That's quite close.
That's next year.
I was like, boob.
Then I was like, no, that's good.
But I also read that there's going to be an American adaptation of Black Mirror.
I don't know about that. That was on Wikipedia. I don't know if that's good. But I also read that there's going to be an American adaptation of Black Mirror. I don't know about that.
That was on Wikipedia.
I don't know if that's true.
I'm not against it, I guess.
Yeah, yeah.
Sometimes it can work.
Look, if it means the regular Black Mirror also exists.
Also, I don't want the same episodes just redone.
Yeah, okay.
Do you know what I mean?
If you're going to do it, new ideas.
Yeah, but have you felt that so far?
Because there's only been seven episodes. No, no, I mean in terms of if they're going to remake it. Oh, American remakes of it. Okay, okay. Do you know what I mean? Like, if you're going to do it, new ideas. Yeah, but have you felt that so far? Because there's only been seven episodes.
No, no, I mean in terms of if they're going to remake it.
Oh, American remakes of it.
Okay, right.
Just the same thing.
You're afraid of life on Mars happening all over again.
I'm afraid of life on Mars.
And the first season of The Office.
And the Red Dwarf pilot episode they filmed.
Oh, sure, yeah.
Do you remember that?
Yes.
Not good.
With Dax from Deep Space Nine.
Absolutely.
She was in it.
And the It Crowd.
Craig Bjerko.
I don't know that guy.
Yeah, for anyone who hasn't seen it,
I think the first 10 minutes of the American version of the It Crowd
is on YouTube.
You can just track that down.
Oh, John McHale's in it, isn't he?
John McHale is in it.
That doesn't work straight up.
John McHale is in it.
I like John McHale.
Richard Ayoade is in it.
Yeah.
And a couple of other people.
But it doesn't work on it.
Like, it doesn't.
No.
They haven't, like, I'm not saying an American, like, an American idea of that wouldn't work.
Yeah.
But the combination, like, I see why they didn't pick it up.
Like, the characters didn't gel.
Yeah.
Like, they didn't have Chris Morris as the insane boss.
They had a pretty good boss.
Who was the boss? I can't remember. Oh, Tony Dan as the insane boss. They had a pretty good boss. Who was the boss?
I can't remember.
Oh, Tony Danza was the boss.
Very good.
We finally answered that question.
But like there's that, it's sort of frame by frame,
the original version of that.
But there's a scene in the British version where, what's her name?
Jen.
Jen asks the boss, oh, what kind of people will I be working with?
And he just bellows out like an insane man,
standard nerds!
But that's not in.
This actor clearly doesn't do that.
Yeah.
So none of it really worked.
Oftentimes when they do remake a show,
they'll do the pilot exactly the same
as the first episode of the British version,
just to see if it works.
Right.
Which I guess I can understand, but it's kind of dumb.
Also, Crichton came over for the American version.
The American version, yeah, that's true.
Drew Goddard, who's doing all sorts of cinematic things,
he's back on the season two of Daredevil.
Oh, yes.
He wrote a bunch of Spider-Man stuff, including a Sinister Six script.
When Spider-Man was exclusively at Sony and not
going to bleed over into the MCU.
All that was scrapped.
All those Aunt May prequel movies and whatever else they were playing.
Oh, sure.
That's a shame.
Yeah.
But anyway.
The Sinister Six origin movie.
Exactly.
Well, they all get trapped in a lift and they end up at the bottom of Oscorp.
I guess we'll put all these suits on.
All right.
Absolutely.
Hey, look at me.
I've got heaps of metal arms.
Woo!
Crime! Hey, look at me. Hey, look at me. I've got heaps of metal arms. Woo! Crime.
Hey, look at me.
Hey, look at me.
I'm old and a vulture.
Woo!
Crime.
That'd be great.
That'd be great if it was just the Sinister Six and then Crime.
That was the poster.
Yeah.
Woo, Crime.
Woo, Crime.
So many arms up.
Anyway, Goddard's back.
Yeah, but he was-
In a big way.
In a big way.
He was basically saying that his version
of the Sinister Six movie
which does include
Spider-Man
was written
that you didn't need
to have any kind
of the other continuity
so technically
he's saying that
you could just plug
that into the MCU
if you wanted to
sounds like he's
aiming for a second
paycheck here
sure absolutely
but you know
if it's good great
I'd say that
would you say it?
I would say that yeah yeah. Especially if they
they're just so for crime.
All those women for crime.
Great. The producers
over at Sony, some producers were asked
about what they're going to do
with the Men in Black franchise.
And they said, look, the idea is... Give it to Jaden
Smith. Please.
They're going to reboot it. Great.
Without Will Smith. Okay. As're going to reboot it. Great. Without Will Smith. Okay.
As a trilogy.
Yeah, just immediately just shoot for a trilogy again.
It didn't entirely work with the first three Men in Black movies.
No.
Try it again.
It only took you 13 years, oh, maybe even longer, to get all those out and they rapidly
declined in quality after the first one.
Yeah, get the first one right.
Come on.
That's the thing.
Do you think it's a beloved enough franchise
where people are like, yes, the men in black are back.
When the enemy is near, the elite is here.
So have no fear and let me see it.
Is that Black Suits coming?
Is that the second one?
Nobody cares.
It's the better song.
It's not.
It's not.
Nod your head.
Black Su suits coming.
Yeah.
Sorry, what were you saying?
Again, I would very much like to live, I've said this before,
but I'd very much like to live in an alternate universe
where Will Smith continued to write raps for all the movies he's been in since.
Yes.
And the album's called In the Pursuit of Rappiness.
But that's never gonna
happen do you think there will be another movie where he raps the thing no you don't think it's
gonna happen at least once like you'll get to maybe 60 and it'll be like remember when i did
this and people be like yeah we love men in black to the rap it's the best rap you know what people
yell i think maybe he'll do one where it's a fictionalized version of him maybe oh okay like he's in it
like a like a matt leblanc extras kind of thing or sure yeah yeah and then maybe he'll do he'll
add one in at the end and it'll be like a minute long are you saying that's gonna happen after his
star has crashed back down to earth i don't think will smith star will ever crash back down to earth
he is hoping though he's not in Independence Day 2.
Oh, then it's Easter.
He's bloody cooked, mate.
What are we talking about?
Men in Black.
Oh, that's right, yeah.
Do we need to see another one?
No, look, I think...
There's definitely potential to do good stuff there.
Yeah, I think people were really keen on it after the first one.
Yeah.
Like...
Because it's pretty good.
Yeah, the first one's pretty great, yeah.
Yeah.
But no, I think the love is disintegrated.
What about if that, where it was leaked,
that they crossed 21 Jump Street open at Men in Black?
No.
See, I think that could be cool.
So, Joni Hill becomes a manager?
Just nod your head.
Black suits coming?
Okay, I'm in agreement.
Great.
Speaking of black suits coming.
Yes.
It's rumoured, we talked about Darth Vader.
There's that rumour
That he's going to be cloned
And return in episode
Oh yes
Seven or eight
Or whatever that was
It's said now
That Hayden Christensen
Is training up
To return to Star Wars
They reckon he will
Darth Vader will be in
The Star Wars
Spin-off movie
Rogue One
Which makes sense
Because he's still alive
In that time period
It's just before A New Hope
But they're also saying The rumour is that He's going to appear In some form spinoff movie Rogue One, which makes sense because he's still alive in that time period. It's just before A New Hope.
But they're also saying the rumor is that he's going to appear in some form in Episode 8 with Hayden Christensen playing Darth Vader.
Ghost.
Ghost?
Well, that's the thing.
Could it be a ghost?
Could it be a flashback?
Could it be a clone?
Could it be none of these things?
And this is all bullshit.
Yes, definitely.
So could it be that they're just throwing the idea out there
and seeing what people want the most
and then giving us the opposite of that because they hate us?
Do you think?
Think about it.
It does feel like that sometimes, doesn't it?
It does feel like that they hate us, yeah.
But to be fair, we deserve it.
People attack George Lucas too much as a person, his character.
Is that what we're talking about?
Are we talking about Star Wars or are we talking about franchises in general?
Let's talk about Star Wars.
Okay.
Anyway, George Lucas, the great man.
Yes.
I want to talk about that later because it's going to come into my what we're reading.
But do you want to see Hayden Christensen come back?
No, because I don't take him seriously as... I mean, I
guess, to what end
though? Like, if you see him as Darth Vader,
he's got the helmet on. Yeah. And he's going
to have James Earl Jones' voice.
So it doesn't make any difference. But if
we see... So he'd have to come back as
a ghost, right?
Or they clone him and he comes back
as unscarred. I guess if they
clone him, he comes back as unscarred. He's young. I guess if they clone him, he comes back as unscarred Hayden Christensen.
Yeah.
But I think...
I don't think I could buy it because the dialogue was so bad.
Like his performances...
But the thing about that guy is...
So embarrassing.
But he's not that bad an actor.
He gets a bad rap.
And I'm not saying he's the best actor ever.
But I think under the right direction he can do...
He's in Shattered Glass, which I haven't seen.
But what I've seen of it, he's quite good.
He's in another movie called Life is a House,
where he's...
A house?
He plays a house?
That's pretty good.
Real bloody wooden, mate.
I mean, it was a brick house,
but I can't remember.
Mighty, mighty.
Yes.
Anyway, yes.
And he's not bad in that.
It's with Kevin Kline.
So I think if you put him in a real set
and with a real director and you know with a with
a real director no offense George Lucas but you're not bad at your job they'd earn you billions of
dollars yes and maybe maybe it could work I'm not saying I want to see it but I'm saying people
will laugh in the cinema yeah like if they don't know it's going to happen I reckon there'll be
people they'll be like oh and I've done it i've cloned him darth vader and they'll open the cloning chamber or whatever and hayden
christensen will pop out and people will be like ha ha ha oh this isn't supposed to be a funny moment
oh oh how many more of these movies are there oh yeah so many i don't know i just think it could
work i'm not saying they should do what i'm saying is we should perpetuate a bad vibe about this whole thing
so that whenever anybody who listens to this show goes into that movie
and it happens, think bad thoughts.
Okay, we can do that.
Yeah.
I'm up for that.
Sigourney Weaver has had a cameo in the new Ghostbusters reboot.
See, Paul Feig said he wasn't going to talk about any of the cameos.
Yeah.
But I think he's like...
People hate this.
Yeah, people are sending him so much hate mail.
He's like, all right, we're going to keep this a secret.
But Ernie Hudson is going to be in it.
Ernie Hudson, Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, Nassar Gourney-Weaver.
There you go.
I can understand why he's doing it because I think...
I know Bill Murray agreed to do a cameo because he supports the director
and he likes all the actors involved.
So he's like, I don't want to be seen to be shunning this.
Right, right, right.
So that's why he did it.
So I think a lot of this has to do with trying to get people on board.
It's not working.
No, it will never work.
We've talked about this before.
There are a lot of people who are never going to get on board with this,
and that's whatever.
Who cares?
We're done.
It's going to be on board with this yeah and that's whatever we're done it's gonna be okay do you think the cameo is that the new characters are going to switch on the tv
and watch the film ghostbusters in its entirety on the tv because i think maybe that's the only
way that's going to satisfy but some people but bill murray like they've all reenacted all the
scenes is that all they are now is that why they're getting them back is that what you're
saying what are you saying i don't know what I'm saying anymore.
Yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
I don't understand why they don't just make this a sequel, though.
Maybe they've CG.
Maybe they've reverse Ant-Man'd it,
and they've made everybody how they look now
in the 80s Ghostbusters.
Great.
I would love that.
Sorry, you were saying?
No, I don't understand why they don't make it a sequel.
Just be like, yeah, all that exists, and then ghosts disappeared or whatever well maybe it is exactly
you're right maybe it is that's that's that was going to be my point but you bloody stepped on it
that's right speaking of sigourney weavers and her franchises uh ridley scott oh here we go
here we bloody go said that there's still a few movies now between...
I've still got a few movies to ruin before I die.
Me, Ridley Scott.
So before Prometheus bleeds...
I've still got some mythology to grind into the dust.
Me, Ridley Scott.
Ridley Scott.
Still got a legacy to pee on.
It's me, Ridley Scott.
Nah, he's all right.
Nah, good on him.
Well, apparently The Martian's great.
We'll talk about that next week.
But there's about like three or four movies that have to happen
between Prometheus getting to Alien.
You know what I've just done there?
As I've done exactly the same thing that like Ghostbusters fans
slash haters have done.
Yes.
Which is just for no reason
just slammed it yeah but prometheus wasn't great no it was really bad so i feel justified i mean
a lot of people love that movie but no yeah man who name one person gary bucey wait someone who
loves it yes i don't know not just one person in the world i'm sure there are i mean you know
what i like the world i think it's visually spectacular and I like all the bit.
Yeah, the story's terrible.
Like the main lady in it?
Whatever her name is?
Rajeen something?
Rooney Mara?
No.
We'll never know.
She was the girl in the dragon tattoo.
Oh, was she really?
Yeah.
I think so.
It's not Rooney Mara.
I might be wrong.
She's got a silly name.
Yeah.
Let me tell you. Well, I'll think of it in a minute. You're reaching for your iPad. You's not really Mara. I might be wrong. She's got a silly name, let me tell you.
I'll think of it in a minute.
You're reaching for your iPad.
You're not thinking of anything.
No, I'll never.
No.
Anyway, so what do you think about, so there won't be any xenomorphs.
He's made that clear in this next Prometheus movie.
But it will explore the engineer's planet, which is apparently called Paradise.
And it's going to have like the proto-Xenomorph return again,
where it's, you know, the one that, like, burst out of a...
Oh, yes.
Even though they left that.
Even though we're like, oh, that's not quite...
That's not quite what we wanted.
Boy, this was the big finale, and it's not what we wanted.
And also they left...
Naomi Rapace is in there.
That's it, I apologise.
Yeah.
And...
And Michael F. Arspender.
Yes, he's back as the head in a bag, in a duffel bag.
I wonder how they're going to do that.
Because if you recall correctly, listeners,
a giant man with a white head grabbed Michael F. Arspender by the head
and tore his head off.
Yeah, that's true.
And then Naomi Rapuse put his head in a little duffel bag.
Naomi Papuse.
Put him in a papoose.
Yes.
And they flew off into space, leaving that alien behind,
presumably to die of starvation and sadness.
So that means when they go to Prometheus' planet,
the big white-headed guys, the big muscular guys,
there's going to be another outbreak.
Yeah.
I reckon they'll just straight up give him another robot body.
Yeah.
Like immediately.
Yeah, of course.
Yeah.
Like on a big CGI conveyor belt.
And they'll plug their head in and be like,
oh no, what's going on?
Oh, Michael Fassbender.
But here's the thing.
It's a bit of Attack of the Clones for you.
That's it.
Prometheus 2, despite having no connection to Alien as of yet,
is going to be called Alien Paradise Lost.
Okay.
You know what?
I'm kind of back on board.
Because of that name.
No, I want to see The Engineer Planet.
Yeah, sure.
Do you reckon it's going to
apparently it's going to be
like a lush jungle world.
I don't want to see
Lance Henrickson again
for some reason.
How would they work him into it?
I don't know.
I want to see Guy Pearce again.
He's dead.
No, but young Guy Pearce
in a hologram?
Yeah, okay, fine.
I don't know.
A clone?
I was going to say he's dead
but I don't think he's dead.
You can't kill a hologram.
No.
Yeah.
All those things are great. You know what? I'm going to say he's dead, but I don't think he's dead. You can't kill a hologram. No. Yeah. All those things are great.
A lot of...
I'm just looking through the cast list and all the good characters are dead.
Idris Elba, dead.
Other people, dead.
Dead.
Yeah.
Guy Pearce?
Dead.
Yeah, he's dead.
Yeah.
Good cast, wasn't it?
Yeah.
Anyway.
So, we've talked a lot of sci-fi this week. Oh. And The Martian is out next week, which we're really excited to see, wasn't it? Yeah. Anyway. So we've talked a lot of sci-fi this week.
Oh.
And The Martian is out next week, which we're really excited to see, aren't we?
Ridley Scott's returned to form, probably.
So they say.
Who are these people, though?
Did they like Interstellar?
I don't know.
I couldn't tell you.
You liked Interstellar.
I didn't.
You didn't like Interstellar, did you?
So we thought.
Oh, yeah.
This is a good week to talk about sci-fi movies.
Now, we can't talk about all sci-fi movies because there's at least six.
At least.
And we don't have the time for that.
We don't have time for that.
Don't have the time or the inclination.
So we thought we'd pick one or two of our favourites...
Oh, yes.
...and talk about that this week.
Yes.
At great length.
Can I say, though, can we...
I'm going to see...
This won't be...
If we want to talk about two or three, these won't be my top three necessarily.
Here's some movies we've talked to death in this podcast.
Inception, that's a favourite of mine.
Not going to talk about it.
Talking about it too much.
Terminator 2, love it.
Talking about it too much.
Yes.
Can't think of any others.
So what are you going to talk about?
Do you want to kick it off or do you want me to kick it off?
Yeah, you kick it off.
I mean, you already know this because you know me so well. I said it before. I said, are you going to talk about do you want to kick it off or do you want me to kick it off i mean you already know this because you know me so well i said it before i
said are you going to talk about sunshine and yes i am going to talk about sunshine we've talked
about it before and you said not at length i kind of feel we have talked about it at length but all
right do you have a backup just in case i'm like no i do backup all right but i feel like we haven't
talked about sunshine at length the matrix i'm we haven't talked about Sunshine at length.
The Matrix, I'm not going to talk about it at length
because I've talked about it all bloody.
I feel like we could do an episode alone on The Matrix.
Okay, well, let's save that.
Like the trilogy of The Matrix.
When they eventually announce a Matrix sequel or a new trilogy,
which I feel like they'll probably do at some point.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
The Matrix rebooted.
Oh, hang on.
My brother's calling. Which one? The one you like. Great. Tell him I said hi. Hey, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The Matrix rebooted. Oh, hang on. My brother's calling.
Which one?
The one you like.
Great.
Tell him I said hi.
Hey, man.
I'm just recording the podcast with Nick Mason.
Oh, well, they can't hear you because you're not on speakerphone.
So, I go, I put you on speakerphone.
You're on speakerphone.
I've got nothing to say.
You're a fucking idiot.
Oh, he's watching Batman Return returns huh yeah why he said i don't know kids love it kids do love it i mean i gotta go i gotta do this
yes yeah she's good thanks man bye that's my brother great little insight into our world
you've spoken on the phone at least once. That's right. Weekly Planet exclusive.
Okay, District 9, great.
Not going to talk about it.
Fair enough.
But if people would like to email in and say,
hey, maybe you should do an episode on these,
let us know, definitely.
I could talk about District 9.
Yeah.
The thing about Sunshine is, Mason,
it's incredibly underrated.
And you know what?
Every person who's watched it,
who's actually contacted me and said,
hey, thank you for saying Sunshine was a movie that you enjoyed because I also enjoyed it.
That being said, there's probably a whole lot of people who watched it
and in anger never listened to the show again or contacted me.
Took the DVD out, snapped it in half, snapped their iPhone in half,
snapped their computer in half, just in constant rage.
That's it.
What do you think? And then they're like, like oh i've got to go to an internet cafe to tell mr sunday movies that i hated his movie that he
liked and they go and then it went into the internet cafe and then they thought about the
movie again they were so enraged they snapped the internet cafe in half the whole thing did you like
sunshine it was all right we saw it together together, I think, probably. Maybe. From 2007. Yeah, okay, yeah.
Do you remember the story?
They have to restart the sun for some reason.
Yes, and apparently it's potentially a real thing that could happen.
The sun might go out.
The sun develops.
Well, it will eventually.
There'll be some kind of, I'm going to say nexus.
I'm against it.
What, the sun going out?
Yeah.
Yeah, you don't have to be for it.
Okay, good.
I think nobody's going to be upset if you're against the sun going out.
Relief. But it develops like a miniature black hole,
and it basically dulls it down however many degrees,
which means the Earth has gone into some kind of ice age,
and it's slowly dying.
So this is a prequel to the movie's Ice Age.
Correct.
Ice Age 3D.
Well, it's a sequel, but time is cyclical,
so it comes around again.
It comes around.
Because it's set in the near future, maybe 10 years from now. Oh, that's very soon. So cyclical. So it comes around again. It comes around. Because it's set in the near future,
maybe 10 years from now.
Oh, that's very soon.
Something like that.
So basically what it is,
they send off the ship called the Icarus
or Icarus to go restart the sun,
which is basically...
That's a bad idea, calling it Icarus.
You don't call...
Is that referenced in the movie?
I don't think so.
That's weird.
Because things did not end well for Icarus
when he went near the sun.
No.
Well, then maybe he shouldn't have had wax wings, the idiot.
Was he also trying to restart the sun with a nuclear bomb?
No, he was just flapping about.
Okay.
So basically the idea is they've got a giant ship,
which is basically a huge miles and miles of solar panels
with a bomb attached to it, a nuclear bomb,
which they're going to shoot into the sun,
and then they're going to fly back.
And that nuclear bomb will restart the sun.
You know what they could have called it?
Did it do well at the box office?
No.
I reckon maybe they could have called it shoot a nuke into the sun.
Because sunshine, we encounter that every day.
Yes.
Like unless you live in the 30 Days of Night universe.
Absolutely.
But that'd be Norway or whatever.
You know, how many times have you seen somebody shoot a nuke into the sun?
I haven't seen it many times.
They should have followed the snakes on a plane example
and just said what happens in the movie.
That also tanked, though.
Yeah, all right, never mind.
So I'm just saying.
You're probably right, though.
That probably more people would have gone in.
So it's director Danny Boyle, who's one of my favourite directors.
The good thing about Danny Boyle is he always does a different movie.
I mean, all directors do a different movie.
Some don't.
You're right.
But, I mean, as in he tries like a different genre.
Like you look at his – I mean, I'm not saying they're all amazing,
but he's got a pretty solid filmography, but he'll do like – he did Trance,
which I didn't love, but Trance is still interesting.
It's about hypnosis and bank heists and whatever.
And you've got that one where James Franco has his arm pinned under a rock
and you've got Slumdog Mewy now, which is like got that one where James Franco has his arm pinned under a rock and you've got Slumdog Mewy now, which is like a...
See, James Franco has his arm pinned under a rock,
but instead they called it whatever they called it.
What is that called?
Something about...
See, that's the thing.
27 hours?
Yeah, okay.
47 minutes, 14 days, one year, 10 months.
I don't know.
Something like that.
He also did train spotting.
He also did shallow grave. he also did shallow grave he
also did the beach which a lot of people hate but i think it's okay just right he also did
millionaire what's that it's like it where kids find like a bag of money i think it's called
is it a thriller no is it a fun kids film no is there a feisty dog it might be don't remember it
too well anyway i don't hate any of his films, the point is he wanted to make a sci-fi film, right?
And he wondered beforehand why directors don't usually make one of these,
like Kubrick only made 2001 Space Odyssey,
because apparently these things are an absolute nightmare.
We're not going to mention 2001 A Space Odyssey.
No.
Primarily because I've seen it more than once
and I could not tell you what the plot is.
Monoliths.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Done.
We talked about it.
So anyway, the first ship mysteriously disappears.
It's so slow.
Continue.
The first ship.
It is, isn't it?
Mysteriously disappears.
So they send another ship and they call it...
Sunshine.
The Sunshine Ship.
They call it Icarus 2.
Might as well bloody call it Titanic 2, mate.
What are you thinking?
And the idea is that that is the last resources left on Earth
to be able to do this.
So this is the last shot.
So there's a crew of like six or eight, I can't remember.
And it's awesome because it's like an international crew.
It's not like all American.
It's a great cast.
You've got like Michelle Yeoh.
You've got Chris Evans, who's awesome in this, by the way.
I'm pointing at you.
You were pointing dramatically.
That's why when Chris Evans...
As if I'm not going to...
Yeah, Chris Evans is good in stuff.
Yeah, but prior to that,
he'd done like Cellular and Fantastic Four and whatever,
which I don't think he's bad in,
but when I saw this,
and then when they were like,
he was going to be Captain America,
I'm like, that's great.
He's awesome in Sunshine,
the movie Sunshine sunshine which i love
it's got the guy from fear the i'm shouting it from the rooftops the other guy from fear
the walking dead that you've been watching any of that nope people love it it's it's okay
now is it that's the prequel yeah what have we said about prequels garbage yeah
you really yeah it's like i really took the wind out of yourselves there didn't i what have we said about prequels? Garbage. Yeah.
You really, yeah.
Really took the wind out of yourselves there, didn't I?
It's got Killian Murphy, Rose Byrne, anyway, whatever.
What do you like about it, if you like anything or remember anything about it?
Boy.
Because I can talk about this at length.
I just don't want to talk about it for 20 minutes.
I'm going to wiki it real quick. I feel like you for 20 minutes. I'm going to wiki it real quick.
I feel like you should say something.
I'm going to wiki it real quicky, all right?
Okay.
Give it a quicky wiki.
Am I right?
Yeah.
While you're doing that, I can tell you...
Quicky wiki wild, wild.
All right, tell me some facts about it.
Okay.
I love the ship design.
So like I said, it's basically a huge solar sail.
So all the energy that...
Does somebody go space mad in it?
Yes, they do.
That's what I like. I like a bit of space madness. So all the energy that... Does somebody go space mad in it? Yes, they do. That's what I like.
I like a bit of space madness.
So I guess we're spoiling these.
Yes.
They eventually catch up with Icarus 1.
They find it, right?
And they go on board and everybody's dead.
And they're like, well, that's not good, is it?
But it turns out the captain...
And somebody's like, hey, don't be too hasty.
And it turns out the captain of that ship...
I shouldn't spoil this.
Skip ahead if you haven't seen it.
The captain of that ship spent a lot of time staring into the sun, right?
Yeah.
Because remember, the way the ship's set up,
it's got a whole lot of really interesting different rooms.
They've got a room which is literally just a sun room
where it's just a big glass wall and you can just stare at the sun all day.
Mistake.
And it turns out that if certain people do this, they're drawn to it and you can just stare at the sun all day. And it turns out that if certain people do this,
they're drawn to it, and you go mad.
And it's kind of implied that one of the crew of Icarus 2
is kind of going that way,
but it never kind of plays out like that
because he doesn't make it that far.
There's another room which is like a greenhouse room,
so it's like unlimited oxygen, which is awesome.
Oh, boy.
That's the life.
Yeah.
It's like a sunshine.
They should have called it Unlimited Oxygen.
That would have really drawn in the bloody punters, mate.
Oh, a movie about oxygen.
Oh, there's a room with oxygen in it.
My favourite.
There's like a hologrammy kind of room where they go to get calm and stuff.
Yeah.
And there's like a – and you know what's good?
You've just got one of those comic books from the 90s and you tilt it slightly.
Look at that. Hulk's coming right at me and um and like what i love about also the design of the ship is in in like the main room there's not like when something
happens there's not like a big thing that says emergency emergency there's like a little red
blip and because they're all astronauts they know what that is yeah so they don't need a big red
side that's For the audience.
Yeah, exactly.
So it's things like that which I really appreciate.
After he completed the movie Millions,
Danny Boyle was briefly attached to direct 3000 Degrees,
a Warner Brothers project about the 1999
Worcester Cold Storage warehouse fire.
So was he just going for like a movie about hot stuff?
I guess so, yeah.
Hot stuff.
Hmm. I guess he was.
Did that movie ever get made?
Well, the Wikipedia entry is red, like the link is red,
so I would say no.
It's probably a stub at best.
Oh, a bloody stub, mate.
Coming next from Danny Boyle, lighting a match
and then sticking it in the pack of matches
and the whole match box just explodes.
Danny Boyle.
Danny Boyles.
Yeah.
Real hot.
Yeah.
And in the movie as well, they do a lot of, there's apparently rules for sci-fi where
you have to cut outside a ship every so often because otherwise it gets too claustrophobic.
And he pushed that to the limit.
I can't remember what it is.
It's something like every 14 minutes.
So he was like, bang on every 14 minutes.
You cut outside, you see the ship, you immediately cut back in.
And there's not a lot of rooms with like windows.
There's that one big sunshine room for crazy people.
Sure.
And there's like nothing else.
Again, mistake.
Yes.
So who set this rule?
And are there rules?
I'd be interested to know if there are movies that have broken that rule and if people have
gone insane and run screaming from the cinema.
That's a very good question.
I feel like the movie Pandorum probably broke that rule inside the whole time inside the
whole time yeah that's not a bad movie actually is that that's ben foster and and dennis quaid yeah
and some other people probably is everyone crazy or made up who knows they're all made up and crazy
mate it's got a decent ending the situation i remember the situation of what that ship is in is interesting
yep the character twist isn't as interesting that's what i recall from that movie also a lot
of this movie like a lot of horror movies because this does have a sudden horror twist in it yep
where the captain of the other ship where they catch up in turns out he's been standing in his
sun room worshiping the sun for like eight years and And he's like, the sun is a god and if the sun wants to die, who are we to say that we shouldn't?
I remember thinking at the time when this movie came out, maybe they should have screened their astronauts for potential worshipping the sun.
Characteristics.
Characteristics, yeah.
What do you think of the sun?
They have to tick a box, one to five?
It's fine. No interest. Yeah. I want to marry it. Sure. What do you think of the son? They have to tick a box one to five? It's fine.
No interest.
Yeah.
I want to marry it.
Yeah.
Like scrawled in blood.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's odd.
I mean, it obviously happened to him over time, but that's an odd.
I mean, he came into the interview and he was wearing one of those three-way mirror
things around his neck to get real tanned.
Get real tanned.
You know?
Get real tanned.
That's a warning sign.
You've got to look out for little warning signs.
Yeah, that's it.
Little things like that.
Yeah.
But the idea was also that he was going to use light in horror the same way that darkness
has been used.
So when, you know, you never really see the guy, the other captain who's been like, who's
been like horribly disfigured by the sun
because he's just been sitting in the sunroom for so many years.
Again, a mistake.
A mistake.
And you can never really get a good look at him
because the light is used like darkness,
where it's blinding in the sense you can never really get a good sense of it
and it's really disorientating.
And the movie, like Two Thirds In,
does go into this kind of weird slasher direction.
It does a bit, yeah. but i actually don't mind that i think it's a really and it's a shame that they spoil it in the trailer or that if you're still listening and i've spoiled it for you yeah
yeah but i feel like you could have probably maybe they put it in because they didn't want
people to think it was just about people slowly drifting towards the sun which is good still
though i'm all for that no i'm i'm a big fan of movies taking a weird
180 midway through i know you are have we talked about this in the show your romantic comedy idea
yeah we've talked about we may have we've definitely talked about in real life certainly
do you want to talk about well i've just said that if i was some sort of movie producer i
wouldn't be one for very long because i would ruin everything like my idea was for a basically
you a film's going to come out you produced a film
and every indication like all the trailers and all the behind the scenes stuff and all the cast
interviews pitch it as a certain film like a fun romantic comedy but like it's ashton kutcher and
kathryn hyde yeah but the viewer advice says like rated r for strong horror scenes like the fine
print that's all it says that's all it says and it's never mentioned.
And then like you've got your quirky characters and whatever
and they're just trying to make it in the big city
and then like 10 minutes into the film,
like one of the characters shows up,
like just their head in a box, whatever,
and it just takes it just a sharp turn.
The wacky best friend.
Yeah, the wacky best friend, exactly.
He's played a basketball match with Ashton Kutcher
and talked to him about life and relationships yeah so all the trailers are
like oh these two guys these two people gonna get together or they don't get along like and
you see the entirety of this movie played out she's breaking her heel on her way to work exactly
they're like but then they have to work late night at the law firm to get the thing done and blah blah
blah but then i hate each other but then they love each other whatever and you see the whole other, whatever. And you see the whole trailer played out, like the whole movie in the trailer.
But none of that actually takes place in the movie.
Like it hard cut 10 minutes in.
I mean, I think all that stuff should happen, but it all happens in the first 10 minutes
and then it hard cuts.
No, I don't think it should.
Oh, like at all.
No, at all.
It's just all fake.
That's all.
The trailer's all fake scenes.
Like maybe the first.
Like Fantastic Four. It's all fake scenes. Like maybe the first... Like Fantastic Four.
It's all fake scenes.
Yeah, yeah.
Hard cut to rubbish.
Yeah, exactly.
Except this isn't rubbish.
I didn't want you to think...
I actually think this would be an amazing idea.
Yeah, but I've spoiled it multiple times now,
so it's never going to happen.
That's why you probably love A Cabin in the Woods, I assume.
I did like A Cabin in the Woods.
For that very same reason.
Yeah.
So I showed somebody that and they were like,
I don't like it because it takes a weird turn.
Because it's kind of cliché. And I'm like, well, that's the woods. For that very same reason. Yeah. So I showed somebody that and they were like, I don't like it because it takes a weird turn. Because it's like, it's kind of cliched.
I'm like, well, that's the point.
Anyway, it doesn't matter.
Anyway, Sunshine's pretty good, isn't it?
Yeah, I guess.
Yeah.
For the sake of our friendship, yeah, it's pretty good.
And the reason also Danny Boyle said these movies are difficult for a couple other reasons.
One, you need everything in the world to already be on the ship yep like you can't bring in other elements or other characters
unless you come across another spaceship sure obviously with a sun worshiping maniac yeah and
two he said well when you shoot it and then you've got like a six to eight month wait while the
special effects comes in so he said in between he probably should have started to work on something
else or whatever to kind
of clear his mind and then come back to it.
Okay.
Did he feel he was too close to it?
I think he was.
Yeah.
But that being said,
I think it's one of the,
I genuinely think it's one of the best sci-fi movies there has ever been.
I can understand why it didn't do well.
I can understand why it's hard to market,
but you look at,
look at the cast and I know the way,
even the way it looks in the world,
it creates,
and it is incredibly tense and claustrophobic
and it's well worth your dollar, Mason.
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How big's the USB?
Four gig.
What if I lost it?
That would be okay.
That's a pretty good deal for a dollar.
I could delete sunshine. Yeah be okay. That's a pretty good deal for a dollar. I could delete Sunshine.
Yeah, okay.
Put on the James Franco gets his arm caught under another thing.
Roxy Trapsy, the movie.
James Franco's Roxy Trapsy, the movie.
That's amazing.
And the follow-up animated series where he makes friends with The Rock.
And voiced by Seth Rogen.
Yeah.
Roxy Trapsy and bloody James Franco.
What's going on at Adventure, Roxy?
Was Roxy Trapsy's name already Roxy Trapsy before he trapped him?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Just to be clear, this is his first trapping of somebody, right?
That we know about, sure.
Okay, sure.
There, I've talked to some-
It's like Hook, Captain Hook.
Yeah.
Didn't have a hook for a hand.
No, he didn't.
His name was just Hook.
Correct.
Yeah.
Yep, I was trying to think of another example,
but that's the best example.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I'm glad that movie...
Don, you glad that movie came out
so we have that example?
That's true.
Okay, so I'm never going to talk about
Sunshine again.
Wow, brutal.
Okay?
Good.
What's a movie that you like
that we could talk about? Well, here's one
that's a lower budget one. I've mentioned it briefly
on the show, but not at length.
Or maybe I have at length. Who knows?
You've seen it as well. It's
called The Man from Earth. Yes. Which is
from 2007.
Sunshine.
Yeah. Same here. Battling it out.
That's right. To be the least
seen movies of all time. Oh, boy. This movie actually was shared on torrent sites and stuff. That's right. To be the least seen movies of all time.
Oh, boy.
Well, this movie actually was shared on torrent sites and stuff.
That's true.
Like quite a lot.
Got a bit of a cult following, yeah.
And the director was like, good.
Because it was made for like zero money.
Yeah, totally.
It looks like he just filmed it, I don't know this, in his own house.
Potentially.
Like this movie is, in a way, it's the opposite of Sunshine in that-
It's at night.
No, it's during the day.
Oh.
It's the same as Sunshine then.
So this movie, yeah, it's not, you know, Sunshine is like, you know,
solar system spanning and it's got spaceships and et cetera, et cetera.
Sure.
This movie is set entirely in a log cabin yes and it's almost
entirely dialogue yes but it is still science fiction yes which i think is i think this is
this is this movie gets a bit it's quite philosophical definitely one might say it's
a bit wanky but a little pretentious at times but I feel this is an amazing idea.
It's an amazing way to produce a sci-fi movie
knowing you're limited
with a limited budget.
Yeah, and literally no special effects.
No special effects, like two props, I think maybe.
Handful of actors who are very good, I think.
A lot of familiar faces of like,
that guy's on Deep Space Nine or something like that.
Yes, exactly.
There's a lot of that, yeah.
Who is it
that guy was in the
John Billingsley
who was Neelix in
Star Trek Voyager
there you go
that guy was probably
in the Pretender
yes
the main guy probably
was in the Pretender
exactly
I don't know if he was
I might go that wrong
I used to like that show
remember when he pretended
to be a race car driver
and then he was good
at being a race car driver
how do you walk into that
just be like
I'm an international
race car driver
okay do you want to drive a race car driver. How do you walk into that? Just be like, I'm an international race car driver.
Okay.
Do you want to drive a race car?
Yes, I do.
The end.
What was that show about?
No, that was it.
Okay.
Very short episodes.
Anyway, so go on.
So essentially it's set in this cabin sort of in the,
I guess the Midwest of America or like the Colorado Rockies, something like that.
And it's about a guy called John Oldman.
Bit of a tip, bit of a tip off there.
Spoiler alert for this movie.
I hear spoiler alert for this.
Tell you what, quick recommendation.
If you want to watch a movie, yeah,
if you want to see a sci-fi
movie with no special effects and see how that turns out yep give it a quick watch yes come back
here okay because again it's available on torrent sites correct very easily very easily anyway so
basically it's it's about this man john oldman he's a professor at a local unit like a university
yeah and he is...
The movie starts when he's just...
He's quit his job
and he's just headed back to this log cabin
to gather his stuff and leave town.
Yeah.
And basically what happens is his friends and colleagues,
like a half dozen of his friends and colleagues,
decide to...
They're very surprised by this.
They decide they're all going to travel to his log cabin
and sort of talk him out of it and sort of find his reasoning for it.
Because they love him.
Because they love him and they want to...
He's a good bloke and he's been here for a long time
and they like him.
But then it's sort of...
He's sort of...
After this long period of...
He's not rapt to see everybody.
No, no.
Well, he's not upset, but he's kind of like,
I was hoping to kind of sneak away.
Sneak away, right, right.
And so it seems like his relationship to them seems like
they're more invested in it than he is kind of thing.
And sort of after a very short period of time,
after a bit of chat, he reveals to them that
he might be able to live forever.
Yes. He reveals that he was a Cro- able to live forever. Yes.
He reveals that he was a Cro-Magnon man.
Yep.
And for some reason, not magical or super science-y.
No.
He didn't lick a meteor.
He didn't lick a meteor or inhale any fumes or anything
or fall into a volcano.
Yeah.
But for some reason, he's been alive for 14,000 years.
It's just genetically.
Just genetically.
Yeah, exactly.
And it's sort of – and so what he does –
like what he's doing now is he's – people realise after like –
they spend time with him for like a decade
and they realise he's stopped ageing.
Yeah.
It's like start asking questions.
So he's learnt to just move on every time kind of thing.
And he sort of starts being like,
imagine if there was a man who could be a blah, blah, blah.
And then, but then it's sort of,
it's people slowly reveal that he's talking about himself.
He's talking about himself and sort of,
and because, you know, all these people,
all these colleagues are from the university,
like there's a philosophy mate, there's a philosophy professor
and there's a, you know, a science professor and there's a,
It's a real who's who of things I don't care about.
Nerds.
It's a real nerd alert. It's a real who's who of things I don't care about. Nerds. It's a real nerd alert.
It's a real attack of the nerds.
But basically they all, like everybody sort of gets a turn to grill him
as to how this could possibly be.
Exactly.
And like...
What were certain eras like?
Yeah, what does he remember and all that sort of thing, you know.
And I think it's great because it's not, again,
it's quite pretentious and it's very wordy.
It's almost all dialogue.
No action.
There's one fistfight on top of a train.
Oh, yeah, absolutely, yeah.
That's going into that volcano we mentioned earlier.
That's right, yes.
Yeah, but it's sort of, and it's kind of,
and I probably won't reveal any more of the plot than that,
but it's not like, it doesn't delve into sort of cliches
you might think of when you think of like a man who's lived for thousands of years.
Somebody points out an arrowhead or something that's on his drawer
and they're like,
did you keep that from when you were in the Cro-Magnon era?
And he's like, no, I just bought it at a junk shop.
Why would I?
Why would I?
Exactly, why would I hold on to these things?
I was just trying to survive this kind of era.
Or, you know, some elements are like, what was life like?
And he's just like, I don't remember all of it.
I've got so many memories.
Yeah, exactly.
Like I've got like 14,000 years of memories packed into my head.
Right, right.
Like obviously I'm not going to remember anything.
And he's had multiple, well, it's implied that he's had like multiple children.
Should we reveal? No, let's not. Okay. Yeah. okay and it's yeah and it's i think we've left enough
yeah absolutely yeah but i think i think it's great again it's wordy definitely uh settle in
don't be doing the ironing or something me listening yeah watch out for that train fight
hell yeah it's a good one you You can't miss it. Can't really miss it.
Great.
If you had to recommend one of those two, which would you recommend?
Man from Earth.
How dare you.
What would you recommend?
Probably that.
No, they're both good.
They're both good in completely different ways.
But I would recommend Sunshine.
Should we do one more or should we just move it along?
No, let's do one more.
All right.
You got anything in the top of your head? Let's talk about aliens oh i thought we'd save that okay all right cool we'll cut that
out pretend i didn't say it okay how about source code yeah i'll talk about source code source code
good i was gonna say children of men oh no so we're children are you sure over source code
yes all right you know why Source code's a little bit confusing
and I have to think about it
and it hurts my brain and it's late.
Well, I was thinking this week,
I'm like,
oh, I think I might talk about Fifth Element
and then I'm like,
I have to re-watch that then.
I don't have time to re-watch it.
And you know what?
I think these are all different
genre-wise.
Aliens.
Yeah.
Quite similar to Sunshine,
if I'm honest with you.
They both got Aliens.
Wait.
No.
Correct.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Both got Sunshine.
They don't though.
Oh. Wow, those movies are mutually exclusive. That. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Both got sunshine. They don't though. Oh.
Wow.
Those movies are mutually exclusive.
That's amazing.
So Children of Men.
Yeah.
I think it's set like now it would be because it came out in what?
The deep dark future of 2015.
Something like that.
Yeah.
I think it came out in like 2004.
It's probably the last good movie.
And you know that I love.
We should definitely.
I feel we should do an episode on
movies set in the future but the future's already happened well yeah back to the future
two futures coming up that's like we're gonna do a back to the future episode yeah yeah absolutely
i was gonna say free jack so basically basically 2008 johnny mnemonic i don't know when that's set
2002 probably probably whenever they were able to strap computers to the heads of dolphins.
We do that.
Oh, I've been doing that since the 80s.
Yeah, just grab an Atari and wedge it in there.
Anyway, Children of Man, Clive Owen's probably last good movie.
How dare you?
I like Clive Owen a lot.
When did Shoot Em Up come out?
Shoot Em Up's garbage.
Yeah, it is garbage.
I wish Shoot Em Up were good.
I want it to be good.
Yeah, I really want it to be good.
It's got Clive Owen, he's a charmer.
It's got Monica Bellucci.
It's got bloody, what's his name?
A baby.
Baldy McSluggo.
Oh, yeah, Paul G. Maddy.
Yeah, I shouldn't call him that.
He's great.
Oh, that's going to get back to him.
Somebody's going to add him into a tweet
and add an audio clip where you call him McSluggo.
He's really great.
I'm sorry.
He's just a regular looking man as well.
Just when you're standing next to Clive Owen.
I mean, you stand anybody next to Clive Owen.
They're not standing for long.
No.
Punch him or shoot him.
Up.
So it's now, roughly.
It's 2027.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
There you go.
It doesn't look like 2027 oh really yeah there you go it doesn't look like 2020 but i guess in this universe
nobody cares about the future really no it's just kind of everything's at a standstill there's no
innovation anymore and it's kind of like it's not a crazy out there future it's just like yeah
there's kind of moving signs on the sides of buses now yeah and music's slightly different right
that's pretty much it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which I guess-
They've re-released the White Album
on a different format.
That's-
Ugh.
And the idea is that-
Gotta buy it again.
Yeah.
It's made in black.
Yes.
Yeah, anyway.
I think it's about 20 years prior, roughly.
Yeah.
Oh, 2007.
Ooh.
Ooh.
Common theme or common years?
It's not really a theme, is it?
No.
A year isn't a theme. No. Except if it's like a birthday party. It's not really a theme is it a year isn't a theme no except if
it's like a birthday party it's an 80s theme these parties are terrible why do people hold them
anyway they are right yeah they are yeah 80s is the theme you you you put up if you can't think
of another thing correct yeah yeah and people always get upset if you don't turn up in 80s gear.
It's like, what?
Shut up.
I didn't have a headband, all right?
So 20 years prior, humanity had just stopped procreating.
Some kind of virus.
It's not really explained.
Maybe it is.
No more babies.
So every baby that has been born is still alive, obviously.
And there is nothing else.
So you kind of get hints that people are replacing pets with dogs
and stuff and things like that.
You see billboards and stuff like that.
They don't really drag it out too much.
But basically, society has just given up because they're like,
what's the point?
60 years, a bit more.
This is gone.
We're all gone.
And there's a lot of emphasis placed on celebrities in terms of youth.
Like there's a famous celebrity jerk called Baby Diego
who is the world's youngest man.
And he's like 19 or something like that.
And he's just a prick.
And somebody, you don't see him,
but the movie kicks off where somebody shoots him.
Yes, it starts off, you've got a restaurant or a cafe,
and everybody's looking at this TV screen of this news
that the world's youngest man has been killed.
Yeah.
And then there's a terrorism attack.
Terrorism attacks.
Yeah.
And I guess there's two factions out there.
There's the government, which is trying to suppress this kind of-
Lousy government.
Lousy government.
This freedom fighting force who's headed up by Julianne Moore, who used to date Clive Owen.
And they lost a child, I guess, 20 or so years prior.
I don't even think related to this event.
I think they just lost a child because it's not really-
Right, right.
I might be wrong about that.
But she went on to lead this kind of resistance, this anti-government force.
And he just went on to be like just a bureaucrat,
just a nothing level bureaucrat.
Just a pencil pusher.
Yeah.
Ugh.
But again, he just drinks.
He's just like, who cares about anything, whatever.
And she brings him back in.
I guess we're spoiling this, right?
Everybody's seen this movie.
Everybody's seen this.
She brings him back into...
But again, if you haven't, pause, watch
an entire movie, come
back to the podcast.
I would say this is
the most watchable of
all the ones we've
talked about.
Yeah.
Like, it's got the
most mass appeal.
It's the easiest to
watch.
I'm not saying it's
the worst.
It's not.
It's great.
No, I think all
these are good.
Yeah.
I mean, not
Sunshine, obviously.
You know what?
Children of Men
might be better than
Sunshine.
I might, yeah. I'd probably enjoy them better than sunshine. I might, yeah.
I'd probably enjoy them equally, maybe.
I don't know.
Anyway, Julianne Moore's group has come across this woman from Africa
who is pregnant.
Key.
Key, yeah.
And there's no explanation for it.
And it's about him and Julianne Moore getting this young lady to,
what's the group they're trying to get to?
The Future Group or something like that?
Yes.
Future, future, future.
Human Project.
Human Project.
There we go.
Which is this rumoured to exist,
probably doesn't exist group,
which is trying to kickstart humanity,
which basically has all the world's best scientists in one place and they've just been trying to solve this problem and and it's not it doesn't come
it doesn't come down to necessarily the government versus this this group of rebels they're both
terrible and it's about clive owen kind of ducking both right to do what's best for this woman and
her baby and when and but with both humanity and. And humanity. And with both sides having their own agenda.
Because they both want to use her for political reasons and whatever.
It's amazing.
It's got some amazing action sequences.
It's a really kind of, like I said,
it's a really realistic future in terms of,
there's not like flying cars and laser guns and whatever.
But there's a little bit of stuff.
There's a tiny bit, yeah.
Some of it is kind of outmoded though, like already.
Like there's a, if you remember Minority Report.
I do.
There was, you know, the touchscreen.
With the gloves.
And there's gloves, but there's a similar element in Children.
I mean, I can't remember what the device is.
Oh, he's got a little holographic-y.
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But of course now, you know, with Kinect and all, you can just.
Everybody's favorite.
Yeah.
All that new thing Google is doing, that thing.
Search engines?
Yeah, search engines.
You can search anything.
Reading our minds?
Yeah.
Email on a computer.
What?
Yeah.
Through a dolphin?
Yeah.
Great.
Since the 80s.
Since the bloody 80s.
I don't know what else to say about this.
The action sequence, though,
there's that one particular action sequence
which is one shot
where it follows Clive Vohman through a war zone.
Yep.
And it's maybe four minutes, maybe?
But it's really, really impressive.
There's actually, if you go on YouTube,
you've heard of it.
I know it.
Google, again.
Yeah, that's right.
Covered up.
There's a guy called The Nerdwriter, all on Word. Google, again. Yeah, that's right. Covered up. There's a guy called The Nerdwriter, all on word.
Oh, yeah.
And he's made a video called Do Not Ignore the Background.
Oh, I put that in my watch list.
Yeah.
And it's all about the cinematography of Children of Man
and sort of background details you miss and stuff like that.
Things you missed.
Oh, that's something.
You could look into doing something like that.
I could.
But it's kind of, yeah, like the cinematography is great
and it's like you don't, you pick it up when you're watching it
but you don't really think about it.
No.
But it's sort of, there's this element of like the camera lingers
on background details that it finds interesting kind of thing.
Yes, yes.
Like you're following Clive Owen's sort of journey but then he'll go out of shot and the camera
will linger on like you know people in detention or they'll yeah criminal detention not school
detention sure that'd be there are no schools yeah all the schools are closed anyway that's
great you should check that check that down on youtube i'm just looking at alfonso curon yeah
and he's did he do a Harry Potter?
He did.
He did Prisoner of Azkaban.
He also did Gravity,
which I don't love.
Which one's Gravity?
Sandra Bullock's in space.
She's like,
oh,
George Clooney,
help.
I preferred that to Interstellar.
How about that?
Yeah,
that's fair.
Yeah.
Gravity looks great
and is an amazing technical achievement of technicality.
Yeah.
Like they switched off the gravity.
They certainly did.
But it's a lot of Sandra Bullock explaining her thoughts
and what she's going to do as she's doing it.
And that annoys me.
Show don't tell, man.
Alfonso Cuaron should know that more than anybody
because he made 2006's Children of Men,
which is the year it came out.
Yeah.
Because I looked that up.
Nice.
We're professionals.
I don't know.
What else do you say about Children of Men?
It's good.
It's real good, man.
Watch it.
Tell your friends.
Tell your children.
Tell your men.
Tell your women.
Might edit that out.
No, leave it in.
Leave the silence in as well.
That's it.
We did it.
I'd love to do this again about different movies.
Me too.
But that's all the movies.
Bugger.
Next week, though, I'm looking forward to talking about The Martian.
You looking forward to talking about The Martian?
See, I don't know.
The Martian seems like the movie I wanted Interstellar to be.
Sure.
Like a movie set in space, but it looks like it's kind of fun.
I'm having a bit of a romp, you know?
Hey, I'm trapped on Mars, but I'm having a bit of a romp.
Sure.
Did you think Interstellar was fun at any point?
No.
No, it was harrowing.
It was very harrowing, wasn't it?
Yeah.
Everyone's sad.
There was that robot.
Everyone's sad and dusty.
Ooh, I don't like it.
They're my least favorite emotions.
Sad and dusty.
You're the bloody
Anakin Skywalker of
this podcast.
Yeah.
Fan,
bloody,
But then again,
that's my two
favorite aspects of
like country music
singers.
Sad and dusty.
Great.
Good stuff.
Well done.
You know what it's
time for then?
What we reading?
What we gonna read.
Ah,
theme song.
I'm doing a theme.
What are we reading today?
What are you bloody reading?
I'm bloody reading...
I'm going to watch...
This week I'm going to watch Sicario.
Okay.
Which is the film with Emily Blunt
and other people.
Yes.
Giovanni Ribisi.
He's not in it.
Benicio Del Toro.
That's the one.
Clive Owen.
I forgot to mention Michael Caine's
in Children of Men.
He's really good.
He's great.
And he based his performance on John Lennon
because he knew John Lennon.
They were friends.
John Lennon was a bad parent.
Oh, I've heard.
Yeah, I've heard.
Yeah.
Bad guy generally.
Anyway, sorry, Sicario.
What appeals to you about Sicario, the movie?
I'm told it's very tense and it looks tense.
Just watching the trailer, it looks...
You know what it reminds me of?
Do you remember there was that movie with Jennifer Garner
and Jason Bateman and a few years ago?
What was that called?
I was going to say Green Zone, but that was...
It's not Green Zone.
And I think Jamie Foxx is in it as well. Yeah, he is, yeah.
And it didn't really sit very well with me.
How do you mean?
You found it...
Did you like it or did you not?
I found it really heavy-handed and dull.
Okay.
That's what I remember about it.
So you found it bad, is what you're saying?
That's not the word.
Sure.
I don't remember it enough to say it was bad.
It tried to be kind of even-handed, but I didn't really find it that way. Oh, you found... what you say that's not the word sure i don't remember it enough to say it was bad okay it
tried to be kind of even-handed but i didn't really find it that way oh you found you were
like we did you feel it was a bit gung-ho it was yeah right it wasn't it wasn't just that i don't
remember it well enough to even to comment on it well you know it is a great maybe shut your bloody
mouth then i think that's all right you know what is great three bloody kings that's a terrific
war movie yeah Yeah, okay.
But I don't...
See, that's one of those movies that the trailer led us down a different path.
You thought it was going to be a wacky adventure.
Thought it was going to be a wacky romp, but it wasn't.
But it was dust and sadness.
Dust and sadness.
There was a bit of wackiness in it,
but that movie speaks volumes about many periods in time,
including both wars in Iraq, despite being made before the second one.
Huh.
The Kingdom is the name of the movie, are you thinking?
That's the one, yeah.
So you're saying Sicario looks a little bit like The Kingdom?
I'm not saying it is.
I've heard it's okay.
I think thematically it looks to be the same in terms of it's like,
here's some people who are getting in way over their head.
Sure.
Yeah, yeah.
What was The Kingdom about?
Pretty much that.
Great.
Yeah.
So it's about drug cartels and things like that?
Drug cartels, yeah.
And all that bizzo.
Do you feel you're overloaded with that
after watching a lot of seasons of Breaking Bad?
No.
I think, you know what,
Breaking Bad's kind of the only real drug cartel kind of thing
off the top of my head that I enjoyed.
There's a Netflix series called Narco,
which is apparently very good.
People have been recommending that to me.
It's got the dude from Game of Thrones.
Joffrey.
Yeah, Joffrey.
Hodor.
Hodor, yes.
You know your GOT.
Boy, do I.
Well, when are you going to see that?
Maybe we'll see it together.
We'll see it together as a team.
Great.
Like we did with Pan.
Set a grand tradition.
Yeah.
What Time Reading is a very interesting book
about the rise of the Star Wars Empire.
Are there any good movies coming out in the last...
Hunger Games.
Yeah, okay.
Children of Men.
No.
You can watch that though.
I could.
I'll give you a USB.
Do you have a dollar?
Oh, okay.
Didn't I give you a dollar before?
Yeah.
What else is there?
There's Star Wars.
Oh, yeah.
There was going to be a Mission Impossible movie
but they moved that
forward six months
oh we've seen that already
we have already seen it
yeah
I'm sure there's something
yeah
it's
is blockbuster season
kind of over
Spectre
Spectre there we go
there we go
there's some exciting things
excellent
normally we get a bit of
resurgence in like
late October November
and then something
comes out in December
and then in between
a bunch of other crap
comes out
oh sure yeah boy does it yeah I'm really excited sorry you were saying I'm reading this book called How Star Wars and then something comes out in December. And then in between, a bunch of other crap comes out. Oh, sure, yeah.
Boy, does it.
Yeah, I'm really excited.
Sorry, you were saying?
I'm reading this book called How Star Wars Conquered the Universe,
which is basically the rise of the Star Wars empire.
It's mostly a bit-
Financial empire.
Yeah, a lot of that.
Merchandise empire.
Yes, there's a lot of that.
It's basically a kind of-
It's a look at everything you could possibly want to know
in terms of not only like
how the films were made but how george lucas started but also like the toy empire and the
and the video game empire and the expanded universe and how star wars had a lull in the 80s
and then george lucas had the foresight to go you know we'll wait until the 90s and then the people
who watched it when they were kids they'll have kids and then i'll bring it back and everybody
will love it and whatever and how it's it doesn, it doesn't paint him in a terrible light.
It paints him in terms of he is a control freak and he does like to
micromanage,
but he's not a bad guy.
Right.
I mean,
he just has trouble letting go of certain ideas.
And he also has obviously trouble working with actors.
The most telling of the ones that worked out well being the first Star Wars
A New Hope and which he renamed and
empire strikes back is because he had so much interference and he had so many people to bounce
off and he had to compromise sure and then by the time you get to return the jedi the author makes
a really a real point of we just talked about star wars i shouldn't be talking about this again
the author makes a point that he hired this kind of yes man director who didn't really contribute
anything to
the story except he just went whatever you want george lucas i will okay sure which is why return
the jedi which i don't hate is kind of the way it is and then clearly lucas got a taste for it
that's right you have yes man yeah and it even i'm up to the point i'm not through it yet where
he hires rick mcc who became George Lucas' yes man.
And it talks about through all the-
His little, what's that guy?
Yoda?
No, Jabba the Hutt's little friend.
Oh, Salacious Crumb.
Salacious Crumb, there we go.
Yes, that's right.
That's the international symbol for Salacious Crumb.
A little man by your leg.
A little gibbering idiot.
Yes.
And Rick McCullen is a great producer in the sense of and they say
this in the in the book that whatever george lucas need to needed to do he would get it done
okay like he can do it and that's why george lucas loved him because he'd be like i want to put a cgi
jab of the heart in whatever in the re-release of star wars and rick mccullen's like yep let's go
done let's do it and he'd like he'd make it happen and it's really so is Rick McCullen just good at yelling yes I guess I know he doesn't he seems
fairly even-tempered he's really good at just no I just mean I mean enthusiastic yelling I'm sure
he's really good because that seems to be the only what you're saying there is George Lucas was like
hey we need a CGI whatever and he's like okay hey everyone you know what is it just George Lucas is
very quiet?
You're not wrong.
They do mention that, that he acted as his mouthpiece,
because George Lucas doesn't.
Yes, exactly.
He's not a great kind of people person.
Right.
He likes people, and he's a great humanitarian,
but he's not kind of good.
He's not comfortable in kind of social situations.
Like, he's developed it more so,
but he didn't like the fame that came along with Star Wars,
like, even, like, straight away.
So, anyway, it's a really good read.
And if you like books, Mason, I'll give it to you on a USB.
Yes!
Digital.
Just stack it on there.
Oh, okay.
Bloody stack it up, mate.
Well, I guess we should talk about our letters this week.
Oh, letters theme.
Oh, wait.
Yes?
I've got a What We Reading here.
I'm ready.
From Patrick.
Okay, hi, Patrick.
Who wants to be the official Terry McGinnis of the podcast.
Done.
Locked in, mate.
Future Batman.
Hey, James.
Hey, Nick.
I recently found Action Comics Volume 1 online and read that,
despite the fact that it was written in 1938,
which is a real dumb year.
I guess so.
He ain't wrong.
What was happening then?
Wars?
No.
Not yet.
Boring.
It's actually pretty good with some almost progressive views,
brackets, assuming everyone in the 30s was sexist.
Anyway, I don't know if you've ever read it,
but here's a link just in case.
So basically he's saying that, yeah,
I guess they would be a good read, wouldn't they?
Like going back to check out those original kind of action comics.
There's a certain window of good stuff out there, isn't there?
Sure.
You're saying this isn't it?
No, I don't mind action comics, number one.
Yeah.
It's not bad.
Sure.
I mean, it's certainly an insight, isn't it, to the beginning of Superman's. You are not wrong, because it is literally the beginning of Superman's.
That's great.
Keep up the good work and don't be dicks.
All right. All right, fine. God. You got a latest theme for this week? Yes. that's great keep up the good work and don't be dicks alright
alright fine
god
you got a letters theme
for this week
yes
so every week
how does this work
every
look every week
you refuse to
edit in a letters theme
I refuse
thank you
you're paused for that now
so I can do it
because it's a bloody thing now
it's a Pavlovian response
it is
so I would like the listeners yes to perhaps compose their own theme music
to a theme or maybe freestyle.
And then what you do, put it or upload it to YouTube.
Yes.
Tweet the link to me.
Yes.
And I will play it through my phone.
Use bloody phone, mate.
Give me one second because I have one ready,
but I can't remember
who sent it to me.
Or why.
Yeah.
Well, why are you looking for that?
If we're doing
The Martian next week,
often we'll ask for themes.
Yes.
Like a certain style.
Do we want a kind of
how about a 1960s kind of space?
Yeah, something with a theremin in it.
Sure.
A bit of that.
Absolutely.
You know what I'm talking about?
Imagine Spock trying to read somebody's mind in a teleporter while tumbling through a black hole.
Something like that.
Yeah, at least.
Think that, but bigger, you know?
Bigger and more, more stuff.
Edit some of this out, but not all of it.
I'll edit some of it.
Oh, here it is.
Dennis Alonso.
Thank you, Dennis.
A letter's theme.
In a world full of weekly planet fans,
one inbox holds the key to our questions.
But now, it's time to read them.
Starring James as Mr. Sunday
and Nick as Mason.
In the romantic comedy of the ages, James as Mr. Sunday and Nick as Mason.
In the romantic comedy of the ages, get ready for Letters.
Very good.
Loved it.
Acapella, I guess.
Yeah, that's right.
Fantastic.
So if you want to... He's got a good voice.
I know, right?
That dude from Screen Junkies Ever Dies.
Get into it, which we will talk about in a minute
in one minute what are you talking about hello my roommates and i just threw an under the sea
themed party at our house see there we go good themed party under the sea exactly unless it was
under the sea in the 80s which case you're a dickhead yeah that's right i of course dressed
as aquaman one of my roommates, Nikki, is from Australia,
and she's contributed two things to the house party,
goon punch and fairy bread.
They both seemed very suspicious,
and I wonder if she was trying to trick us silly Americans into consuming ridiculous things.
Can you confirm that these are actual things in Australia?
Thank you, Joe,
a.k.a. the official Lionel Hartzler podcast.
Yes.
Both of those things are real things. Both of those things are true. Goon is really cheap wine in a.k.a. the official Lionel Hartzler podcast. Yes. Both of those things are real. Both of those things are true.
Goon is really cheap wine in a cask.
It's in a cardboard box and inside that-
A box of wine.
Yeah.
Inside that is a- I'm sure they have these in the States- is a silver bladder, which
holds the cheapest wine you can imagine.
But you can often mix it into a punch and make it slightly drinkable.
Yeah.
Or you can play the game Goon of Fortune.
I was going to say, have you ever played Goon of Fortune?
Where you get a whole bunch of them and you close peg them to a washing...
To a spinning washing line.
They're called Hill's Hoist in Australia.
I don't know what they call them in America.
Washing lines.
Yep.
And then you spin it yep like the wheel of fortune wheel and whoever it lands on has to drink it from the clothesline
yeah i was playing that once only one time as i was leaving uni i think it was one of the last
parties and it landed on me and i went you know what i don't have to do this so i just walked
our little guys grow i know right know, right? Yeah. Yeah.
And fairy bread is just bread with sprinkles on it.
Yeah, exactly.
Hundreds and thousands.
Yeah.
You ever played Goon of Fortune?
No.
You ever played Fairy Bread of Fortune?
Yeah.
Do you like fairy bread?
Yeah, I love it. It's really good.
It's so good.
It's really bad for you though.
Don't care.
Look at me.
Do you think I care?
You don't look like you care.
No.
Okay.
Hey, James and Maiso.
Love the show and
i've listened to all the episodes that we know about i was wondering if you two for the ones we
lose yeah but listen to those uh i've just uh i was just wondering if you two had seen the
wachowski's cloud atlas if you haven't you definitely should i i'm no apologist of the
wachowski's recent filmography but despite some questionable makeup choices for hugo weaving
i think this is a really good movie.
On this note,
I thought maybe you could do an episode
on the best movies of the Wachowskis.
I guess we just talk about the Matrix.
Yeah, just talk about the Matrix.
As ever, keep up the good work
at Grab.GM.
Chris O'Reilly from Leeds, England.
I have not seen Cloud Atlas.
Me neither.
Doesn't Tom Hanks yellow face it?
I think a few people do, yeah.
Yeah, I guess not few people do yeah well
yeah I guess not a lot of people
saw it to be upset
that movie cost so much money
it's apparently an unfilmable
well it's a book
well I bought the novel
and I didn't get through it
because it's unfilmable
yeah
yeah
I
once I was watching something
and I fell asleep
and
because I was on a hard drive
and then Cloud Atlas started
and I woke up and I'm like
what the fuck is this?
Like, I had no idea.
Like, I'm just like, what world is this?
It's a future or you grants in this?
What?
And it's Cloud Atlas.
I do plan on going back to it because I've heard there is a lot of merit in it.
Okay.
But.
I recently watched some of Speed Racer on Netflix.
And?
I didn't like it.
It's no good.
Too many green screens?
Look, I understand.
Too many Matthew Fox.
I totally get if you were on a lot of drugs,
you could just watch it and be like,
oh, if you're on like MDMA or anything or something.
Don't do that though.
No.
Yeah.
I don't do drugs.
But if I did, I probably wouldn't watch Speed Racer.
Yeah.
I'm sure there's something better you could do.
Like stand near a hospital just in case.
Be responsible.
There we go, yeah.
There we go.
Have your Bible ready.
Have it bloody ready.
Great.
Hey, guys.
Last letter.
I'm listening to your podcast every week,
and I must say, it is the best.
Do you like anime?
I'm asking this because there's a rumor that Christopher Nolan
will make a live action Akira trilogy.
Oh, trilogy. Trilogy.
Oh, trilogy.
Trilogy.
I know your opinion on this.
Did we say that?
That's the rumor anyway, that Christopher Nolan is going to make Akira.
That's going to be his next project.
You excited for that, if that's a thing?
Is that his first... Movie?
No, he's made many movies.
Thank you.
Finally, a straight answer from this.
Besides Batman, has he done any licensed stuff other than that?
Let me think.
Magician one, Magician Fight.
He did Inception.
He did Instastella.
He did Insomnia.
He did Memento.
Because he's done Batman, but he hasn't done...
Straight up adaptation of Batman?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, he's done some original stuff around that kind of thing.
So this would be his first time adapting.
Do you think he would just adapt it straight?
Or do you think he'd be like,
I'm going to Christopher Nolan this?
I think he's going to Christopher Nolan it.
Do you think maybe,
do you want a straight adaptation though?
I mean,
it already exists.
Well,
I,
you know,
I just went Ur trilogy,
but I think that's just my reaction to trilogies.
Sure.
I think that's the way you're going to go.
Akira,
the animation,
and we could have talked about this in Best Sci-Fi,
because I really enjoy the original Akira.
Animation.
Animation.
Yeah.
It's quite amazing that they packed the thousands
and thousands of pages more or less into one movie.
Yeah.
Like there's some elements like,
well, there's quite a lot that they did cut out a lot.
I'm an idiot.
You are.
Yeah, in a lot of ways I'm an idiot.
But there is so much of the first few akira books that are that are just in that yeah the the animation sort of stops the
story dead at a certain point in what sense uh in well we can spoil akira yeah in in the movie
uh tetsuo is is looking to find akira and he wants to find him and et cetera, et cetera,
defeat him or join up with him.
Yeah, Shakira.
Thank you.
Yeah, thank you.
Good pull.
That rhymes.
And in the movie, basically Akira returns.
Tetsuo goes to a secret facility and he finds that Akira like had become pure
like he evolved into pure energy
and all that's left
were some of his organs
and bits and pieces
and he was pretty happy about it
yeah no he's bummed about it
he's like oh no
but then Akira returns
and sort of destroys the city
anyway Akira comes back
and he sort of destroys the city again
and turns the whole world
into a concept or something
I don't know what happens
but in the manga
the original comic book
akira and tetsu akira comes back in like physical form yeah and they sort of rule the city together
for a while cool quite a while why didn't they do that too long yeah i guess it is yeah just have a
monster have a bloody giant monster man exactly yeah yeah you like it obviously it's really good
yeah you an anime fan i'd like to do an episode on
it i feel like i don't know enough about it we had mentioned we mentioned anime many episodes
ago and a lot of people and i said can people send me some good anime to attack of attack on
titan people recommended that what's a little bit of that uh a lot of people recommended full metal
alchemist yes watch the first episode wasn't on board with it ooh I know in your face millions of people
who love that
I mean millions of people
don't listen to this
but tell people
but if you can spread the word
that we said that
that it's
hey this guy you don't know
he doesn't care for it
but I don't know
maybe I was in the mood
if I only watched one episode
Evangelion
apparently amazing
I quite like that
yeah
the boons
that ended weirdly
as well
I need to watch some stuff
to talk about it
yeah fair enough
we can do that
Evangelion I liked a lot
but it did end in an episode.
Because it's giant robots fighting giant monsters.
And the final episode basically takes place in a little kid's head.
And it's just all white rooms and people going,
who am I really?
Kind of thing.
It feels like the budget ran out.
And people were very unhappy with that.
So there was a follow-up called The End of Evangelion
where basically the whole world was destroyed.
It's like, how do you like it now?
Who did it turn out they were really though?
I can't remember.
Oh, no.
Yeah.
Pretty good.
Sounds pretty good.
Great.
Also.
Probably aliens or something.
Do you know about, what do you think about dragon ball evolution do you see
that movie live action movie no i did not see that movie so terrible great like
oh thoughts on akira so um yeah i i knocked back the trilogy but i think trilogy is probably the
way to go for this if you want to get more of the story yeah sure on board because again if we do a
straight adaptation yeah the same but live people are are like, well, it's no, but you know.
Yeah, absolutely.
So they just draw it from the source material
more than so the original, from the animation.
I want the storyline to be the same.
I just want more of it.
Sure.
More Shakira.
More Shakira.
They were making a few years ago.
Motorcycle fights.
Yeah, that's awesome.
That Kristen Stewart was cast in it.
Chris Evans was in it.
Zac Efron was going to be in it I believe so yeah I
think also Joseph
Gordon-Levitt maybe I
might be wrong well
now he's definitely in
it sure yeah that's
it he'll be
Tetsuo he'd probably
be Tetsuo now that I
think about it
wouldn't be Kaneda
hardly yeah he
wishes yeah
also do you guys
know what the latest
Otis trailer epic voice man says grab that gem crossover maybe it'd be great if you guys know what the latest Otis trailer
Epic Voiceman says?
Grab that gem.
Crossover maybe?
It'd be great if you guys
went on movie fights.
We get tweeted this a lot
and I know that those guys
get tweeted a lot.
Oh boy, do they?
Actually,
I've been in contact
with that guy,
the guy who runs it.
Andy?
Andy.
Andy Signore.
Yeah, he's a good dude.
He said,
look, if you're in the country,
we should do this.
How about we make this promise?
If we're ever on the same continent, we will make it happen.
Definitely, yeah.
Because they seem like super nice guys.
But I feel, yeah, I mean, yeah, this was mentioned to us a lot.
We would like to do it, definitely.
It would be great.
Yeah.
But I feel, and we've brought this up.
We get killed.
Well, that's because we're bad at everything. but I feel, and we've brought this up we get killed because
because we're bad at everything but also
because it's difficult to
have an argument over Skype
I don't know if you've ever tried to do that
but I feel like as well we'd go on it
and if they were like, I think this is the best Indiana Jones
movie, I'd be like, yeah I guess
you've raised some really good points if I'm honest with you
but yeah, even if we're
super fired ourselves up for it,
it doesn't work over Skype.
If you ever try,
if you ever try and have some sort of fiery debate over Skype,
it's all like,
so I did,
wait,
wait,
do you,
okay,
you go,
you go,
yep.
Ah,
right.
It doesn't work.
It doesn't work.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think they know that as well.
So if we're ever,
yeah,
maybe one day, maybe next year, maybe the year they know that as well. So if we're ever, yeah, maybe one day.
Maybe next year.
Maybe the year after.
Ooh.
Yeah.
You prefer 2017?
Yeah.
Got more of a reaction.
Anyway, that's the end of the show.
We did it again.
Where can people find us?
Ooh, Weekly Planet Pod on Gmail and Twitter and Facebook and Bandcamp.
And also follow the Weekly Planet, which is a good thing to follow.
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absolutely
what else do we
what else we got
anything else
did we say the Bandcamp stuff
yeah we did
yep
good
t-shirts
Golden Legend
get one of them I guess
yeah he's made a
Shrinky Land t-shirt
he has
you'll love it
I do love it
and what else was I going to say
if you do have an opinion on The Martian, send it through.
Yeah.
Or a Martian theme song.
Yeah.
Either way.
Yeah.
That's the show for this week.
That is the show for this week.
Hang on.
Anything else?
Let me think.
Thanks for listening.
I don't know if we mentioned that enough.
We like it, don't we?
Yeah, it's great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It just keeps getting bigger and better.
Not better.
Bigger.
And better. Not physically bigger. I mean, the file size is about the same. Give or take. Yeah. Yeah. It just keeps getting bigger and better. Not better. Bigger. And better.
Not physically bigger.
I mean, the file size is about the same.
Give or take.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Our heads are getting larger, though.
Certainly.
We should probably get that looked at.
Why?
I think it's probably the paint on these walls.
Anyway, thanks for listening, guys.
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