The Weekly Planet - 116 Best & Worst Of 2015!

Episode Date: December 28, 2015

Man. What a long rambling piece of nonsense this week’s episode is. We cover all the movies/tv shows we loved and despised in 2015 including best and worst comic book movies, biggest disappointments... and who has the most versatile hair.We also get into the new Deadpool trailers, Batman V Superman News and how Star Wars is well on the way to toppling Avatar!7:23 Deadpool Redband Trailer9:57 Batman V Superman End Credits16:36 Avatar Sequels17:59 Star Wars Box Office19:16 Best & Worst Of The Year20:10 Best Animated Film22:00 Best Sequel28:29 Best Reboot31:14 Best Movie Where The Game Was On35:41 Best Non Sequel Or Reboot37:48 Best Horror Film42:06 Best Comic Book TV Show46:49 Best TV Show51:08 Most Underrated Property52:24 Best Comedy55:09 Worst Trailer55:50 Best Dead Or CGI De-Aged Actor57:59 Best Kids Film55:23 Best Spy Movie1:01:47 Best Movie That Was Just A Movie1:04:53 Worst Sequel Or Reboot1:09:28 Actor Least Annoyed By1:18:00 Actor Most Annoyed By1:15:43 Best Hair1:16:58 Biggest Disappointment1:19:51 Best Movie You Haven’t Seen1:29:00 Movie They need To Stop Making1:31:31 Worst Comic Book Movie1:32:33 Best Comic Book Movie1:33:10 Worst Movie1:37:55 Best Movie1:40:40 What We Reading1:44:50 Letters1:53:15 Star Wars Rey TheoryBuy a Buy or Worst movie on Amazon: https://amzn.to/2OFI3b0Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesMr Sunday Movies YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/lB90W2The Weekly Planet YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHFind our T-Shirts here: https://goo.gl/q6gE9C Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:01:06 In your bum Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Weekly Planet Official podcast of comicbookmovie.com Where we talk movies, comics, TV shows, podcasts, movies Comics With me, always my co-host Nick Mason I'm James, Mr Sunday You there boy
Starting point is 00:01:24 What episode of the Weekly Planet is this? With me, always my co-host, Nick Mason. I'm James, Mr. Sunday. You there, boy. What episode of the Weekly Planet is this? Why is it a Christmas episode, sir? I should use the Christmas theme that somebody said to me. Put it in the Christmas theme. I'll put it in the Christmas theme. I can't remember who did it, but thank you. It's amazing. It's our very special Christmas theme.
Starting point is 00:01:38 It absolutely is, even though it's past Christmas. Did you get any good Christmas? Look, I got some okay Christmas. Elaborate. Look, it's not that I got a particularly great Christmas. Did you get any good Christmas? Look, I got some okay Christmas. Elaborate. Look, it's not that I got a particularly great Christmas. It's that the extended family who normally comes to Christmas
Starting point is 00:01:52 was not there. Because they're a bunch of dicks? Yeah, so look, ultimately I was a winner by absence. But I did go to a Festivus celebration. Festivus being the fake anti-Christmas holiday invented by George Costanza and Seinfeld.
Starting point is 00:02:09 I like to think it's come into the realm of reality. It's drifted over. I actually went to one. I've been there the last couple of years and we do feats of strength. There's a Festivus poll, which is looking quite the worse for wear. And there's a re-gifting of terrible gifts and so i
Starting point is 00:02:26 received what we all uh considered the worst gift of the day and possibly like this may never actually be topped so it's a it's like a like a wooden box a little wooden box and it's got like a picture of a cat and a dog on it yeah there and it. And it says, he said, she said. Oh, God. Pretty good start, right? No. You crack open the box, right? And we've got, like, stone coasters with pictures. There's four of them.
Starting point is 00:02:54 Four's not enough coasters for what? For starters, yeah. Okay, right? And, like, they've got, like... Oh, they're really stoned, aren't they? Yeah, they're really... They're real quickie. They've got, like, little cats,
Starting point is 00:03:03 like a cat and dog on each one of them looking sad in various things, right? And they've got like little he said, she said sayings on them. The first one says, he said we would go out more. They look so sad. Sad cat and dog. She said she could cook. Right? Sad, sad cat and dog.
Starting point is 00:03:25 She said she liked my body. Sad cat and dog. She said she liked my body. Sad cat and dog. Last one. He said we would get married. Sad cat and dog. Oh my god.
Starting point is 00:03:33 What is this? Right? It's horrifying. It's not the person who made that. Yeah. That's a very dark That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:03:41 Like it's from beginning to end this is an incredibly depressing gift. There's so many layers to it. Yeah and look and that's what i'm saying like it's from beginning to end this is a incredibly depressing gift there's so many layers to it yeah and look and that's there's so many like whoever made it was insane whoever purchased it thinking it was a good idea for anyone is insane whoever can relate to this is insane what are you gonna do with it keep it forever can i have it i might re-gift it next year i don't't think you should. I think you should show people that.
Starting point is 00:04:05 Yeah. I don't think people appreciate it as much as you do, quite frankly. Yeah. That's wonderful. It's pretty good, right? Well, I got Fallout 4, so that's pretty good. Oh, yeah. And Transformers Devastation, so I'm looking forward to playing those at some point.
Starting point is 00:04:17 Now, you recommended the person who bought me Fallout 4. You recommended it, didn't you? Yes, I did. Because you wanted to ruin my life. Well, yeah. I figure you have precious little enough time as it is. So either it's a gift you'll never use or it's a gift that will just- Cripple me.
Starting point is 00:04:29 Yeah, exactly. Socially and emotionally. Great. Well, yeah. So it's the Christmas episode. Congratulations on making the Man Cave especially festive. Thank you very much. This time around.
Starting point is 00:04:38 You've got little Santa hats on all the UFC fighters on the posters. You've stuck those on there. That's right. Yeah, we're drinking. John Cena riding a reindeer. Yeah, we're drinking a turkey and cranberry monster energy drink. Delicious. A third thing.
Starting point is 00:04:55 A third manly thing. That I can't think of. A big neon sign or something. Yeah, that says ho, ho, ho. And then there's like a lady. Like a sexy lady. Like a flashy lady. Yeah, good. All right. We should probably lady. Like a flashy lady. Yeah, good.
Starting point is 00:05:05 Alright. We should probably do the show, I guess. Oh yeah, sure. Is this the longest we've delayed it? Sorry. We're so full of our own shit that we just can't even get around to it.
Starting point is 00:05:16 We've finally gone mad. Alright. Let's talk about the Deadpool trailer. There's been a new one. I didn't watch it. Should I watch it now? Oh god damn it. You distracted me with your
Starting point is 00:05:24 alright, we're watching it live. Yeah, that's right. We're watching it live. There's been a new one. I didn't watch it. Should I watch it now? Oh, God damn it. You distracted me with your, all right, we're watching it live. Yeah, that's right. We're watching it live. There's a red band one and a green band one. Oh, come on. I want to watch the green band one too. You know what? It's actually not bad.
Starting point is 00:05:34 How different are they? Not that different. You don't have to watch it. Okay. Red band trailer two. Yep. Four million views two days ago. Well played.
Starting point is 00:05:41 Thank you. Not you. Oh. Should I turn volume up? I'll turn the volume up yeah do it volume's way up oh yeah just having a bit of fun isn't he It's looking pretty brutal. Totally.
Starting point is 00:06:12 Although there... There's a lot of this highway scene. There is, isn't there? Yeah, you wonder how much of it there is like is this the is that the biggest action set piece i doubt it well if it if it is then i don't know how well that bodes for the rest of the film but if it isn't good on them yeah revealing everything absolutely totally agree anyway blah bitty blah oh yeah okay good haven't we seen most of this revealing everything. Absolutely. Totally agree. Anyway, blah-biddy-blah. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:46 Okay, good. Haven't we seen much of this? I'm skimming. Okay, good. I'm skimming. It's the highway again. Yep. Good.
Starting point is 00:06:55 He gets a bullet up his butthole, shooting up his butthole. Absolutely excellent. Okay, that's pretty good. Oh, Marina Baccarin's in this. Did we know that already? Yeah, yeah. I didn't.
Starting point is 00:07:04 She's copycat. Oh, very good. You know what? It looks great. Yeah, Marina Baccarin's in this. Did we know that already? Yeah, yeah. I didn't. She's copycat. Oh, very good. You know what? It looks great. Yeah, it does, doesn't it? Yeah. Again, I'm amazed they haven't ruined this. Yet.
Starting point is 00:07:14 Yeah. Yeah, they're considering Fantastic Four. But Fantastic Four aside, and look, I know not everybody loves the X-Men films, but they're pretty solid, you know? Yeah, absolutely. Put some fucking coloured costumes on them, or collared. Just spruce it up a little, do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:07:29 Some collars. Some bloody, some fur trim, anything. Yeah, no, I have a lot of faith in this movie. And look, I think I was the first person to say they will fuck this up. And it doesn't look like they have. So, great. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:44 New Year's resolution resolution stop being so judgy all right i will judgy okay so there's a rumor this week that the uh or anything else no all right there's a rumor this week that the uh batman v superman film the way it's going to lead into the dawn of justice sorry the justice league movie because it is the dawn of justice there's going to be like a watchman style montage at the end so instead of a post-credits thing that will kind of lead up to it what do you think the odds are of dc warner brothers dc just releasing that before the movie goes out because they're on track to do that i mean we know the plot from beginning from bloody soup to nuts. You know?
Starting point is 00:08:25 What does that mean? Pumpkin soup to chestnuts. Okay, right. Themed. Festive. Festive. Yep. I don't know what it means.
Starting point is 00:08:32 I assume that in the distant past, like earlier than the 80s, people finished a meal with nuts. Oh, okay. Like a fistful of cashews or a mix of nuts. A mix of victory almonds, as we often do finish a podcast with. That is true.
Starting point is 00:08:48 Yeah. I don't know. But yeah, look, then stop telling us information, DC. Absolutely. I'm done with it. It's like six months to go. It's less. It's March.
Starting point is 00:08:57 It's three. Still stop releasing stuff. I agree. If you've got this far, everybody's going. Look, it's probably not going to make Star Wars money no but it's going to it's going to
Starting point is 00:09:08 especially if it's good yeah it's going to crush it why are you telling us stuff but anyway also movie insiders who bloody
Starting point is 00:09:16 all these interns or whoever wherever this information comes from stop leaking it shut your trap is that what you're saying like I guess
Starting point is 00:09:23 there's a certain there's a certain you get a certain amount of status sure if you leak a real juicy bit whatever there's a lot of that yeah but you know what i'm turning it around i'm saying shame on you do you release any more information but the tipping point has been reached what what that's probably true what about people who say breakdown trailers so well that they sometimes guess the plot of movies but sometimes maybe maybe they find some things you may have missed. Correct. Yeah, no, they're right.
Starting point is 00:09:47 Thank God. No, because a lot of people have, and I don't think we should talk about Star Wars this week. No. Because a lot of people still haven't seen it. Yes. I think a lot of people tweeted at us and they said you basically spoiled Force Awakens for yourself, like in the previous episode when we speculated about it.
Starting point is 00:10:02 Oh, yeah, sure. But, I mean, we were just guessing. Yeah, that was all good, yeah. So I didn't, at no point was I, no, I didn't go in and go, well, this is a thing that I thought might've happened. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:09 Boo on me. That's right. Yeah. And look, for me, that movie just kind of, the things I guessed, I wasn't even like, oh my God, I guessed that
Starting point is 00:10:15 I was watching, I just watched it. Yeah, totally. Absolutely. Yeah. I stood up every time and went, I was right. I got this one.
Starting point is 00:10:24 It said it would. Listen to my podcast. Listen. Listen to it. I was there, I remember. Yeah. But I like the idea of this. No, I will not be quiet.
Starting point is 00:10:36 I will not be silenced. I am a podcaster, sir. We're the new frontier of media, I think. Are we? No. Yeah, what do you think of the Watchmen style montage? If this is true. That's sort of, oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:51 Kind of like, these are some other adventures leading up to the next adventure. Yeah, I'm okay with that. Me too, I like it. But then again. Here we go. Well, people are going to get mad if they see an adventure that they. But think of all the spin-off graphic novels you could have. Yeah, that's a really good point.
Starting point is 00:11:04 That's all I'm saying. Like people are going to be like, oh, it's the time they fought the whoever. Yeah. I wish there was a full-length movie of that. People are going to get mad. But you know what? There's no more time.
Starting point is 00:11:14 Exactly. Like you said, there's no time. Affleck's going to be dead soon. That's right. Yeah. He ain't getting any younger. Henry Cavill is going to be hit by the Superman curse. That's right.
Starting point is 00:11:22 In whatever form that's going to take this time. Maybe he'll end up on TV. Maybe he'll die. Anywhere in between that. Yes. That's pretty much, that's it. I think Henry Cavill, like if the Superman curse hits him, it's going to hit him.
Starting point is 00:11:34 Yeah. I think he's going to end up on like those infomercials where somebody can't operate a simple object. Like they can't cut an orange or whatever. It's like, sorry, it's just slipping right off that orange. Oranges are so slippery. somebody can't operate a simple object. Like they can't cut an orange or whatever. It's like, sorry, it's just slipping right off that orange. Oranges are so slippery. Orange is going to just fly right out the window.
Starting point is 00:11:51 Yeah. Do you think Ben Affleck's getting squarer as he gets older? No. I feel like he is. His head's getting squarer, his body's getting squarer. You've got to pump out these Batman films before he's like a perfect cube, like Mr. Strong from the Mr. Man. Then he can go on the Minecraft movie that's a good point
Starting point is 00:12:06 I'm going to while we talk about other things I'm going to Google Ben Affleck from like Mallrats and current Ben Affleck
Starting point is 00:12:14 and we'll see we'll see buddy what's up why are you doing that James Cameron confirmed that Avatar 2, 3 and 4 will drop
Starting point is 00:12:22 December 2017 December 2018 December December 2019. Hey, guess what, Cameron? Nobody cares right now. Star Wars mania. Wrong time to do this. You know? Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:12:34 How's that Ben Affleck looking? Look, he's different. Yes, he is. He's got foofier hair in the 90s, especially Mallrats. He's got a big head of foofy hair. So much foofy. Look, we'll get to it later. We'll get to it later.
Starting point is 00:12:50 I'll do a full analysis. A full breakdown. Yeah. Things you may have missed from Ben Affleck's square head. How do you think that's happened? How does one's head squareify, though? You know what I mean? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:13:00 I reckon celebrities, and this is a theory. Do you think it's because he's juicing? I think there's a partly that. I reckon celebrities, and this is a theory. Do you think it's because he's juicing? I think there's a partly that. Maybe not him, but I think they get that tuck around the jaw to square it off as they get older. Okay, sure. I think that happens. I think a lot of actors do that.
Starting point is 00:13:14 I might be wrong. Just speculating, mate. I get it, sure. Yeah. You can also tell the ones on human growth hormone, you can tell by the hands. Yep. Give me one example that isn't Sylvester Stallone.
Starting point is 00:13:26 Daniel Craig. Maybe not at the moment, but if you look at his early Bond films. Yeah. Look, I think he's just lost some puppy fat. I like that. Maybe he always had a square head. He may have. It was always under there.
Starting point is 00:13:38 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Anyway. It's Christmas, everyone. Sure is. It was Christmas. It was Christmas. Not anymore.
Starting point is 00:13:44 Oh, which reminds me. I was... I'm a continue... I'm constantly appearing on the podcast It's a Duck Blur. It's true, you are. They did a Christmas special. Yes.
Starting point is 00:13:55 Where we talked about... We talked over the top of Mickey's Christmas Carol. So if you want to download that... I did download. I listened. I liked it a lot. Oh, yeah? It was a lot of fun.
Starting point is 00:14:02 Yeah. I really liked that podcast. It was me and comedian Nellie White. Yeah, yeah. So it's a good fun old time. She's podcast. It was me and comedian Nellie White. Yeah, yeah. So it's a good fun old time. She's really funny. Is that what it's called? Mickey's Christmas Carol?
Starting point is 00:14:09 Something like that. Yeah. It's whatever. It's the bloody Charles Dickens shit. Yeah. But with Disney characters. Listen to the episode. You'll figure it out.
Starting point is 00:14:16 There was a duck stack. Yeah. Look, it'll be free on like Vimeo or Dailymotion or YouTube or Netflix. I think we saw it on Netflix. That's probably on there. Okay, then. Yeah, yeah I think we saw it on Netflix. That's probably on there. Okay, then. Yeah, yeah. Let's give it a spin.
Starting point is 00:14:28 It's like 40 minutes, isn't it? Yeah, something like that. All right, then. Great, great, great. Anyway, James Cameron calls Avatar 2, 3, and 4. A waste of time. Poison for your eyes. Who cares?
Starting point is 00:14:40 I'm just going to get in my submarine and drive into the ocean. I'm James Cameron. Each is a standalone film, but they tell one large story, which he calls a meta-narrative that runs along three movies. All your favourites are back. Sam Worthington, is he back? Yep, the character he played. Wow.
Starting point is 00:14:58 That's his lifeline, surely. What's he done lately? He was the man on the ledge, and he was like, I'm an innocent man. Turns out he wasn't. Oh, spoiler alert. I don't remember. He clashed with the Titans a couple of times.
Starting point is 00:15:11 Oh, yeah, sure. It's been a while though, hasn't it? Yeah, it has been, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't... I echo your sentiments. I don't give a shit about Avatar. Well, we're going to watch three more movies.
Starting point is 00:15:22 He's left it too long. Yeah. You should have done this in 2011, mate. Since then, there's been Avengers and Marvel and Star Wars and DC's kicking off. Look, if it's good, great. Fantastic. But come on, man.
Starting point is 00:15:38 What are you doing? What do you do? You don't know anything. I mean, sure, you've produced several of the highest-grossing films of all time yeah and some of the greatest like action cinema or even cinema of all time yeah you know what yeah what would you know yeah you know what benefit of the doubt yeah okay i bloody hope it's good yeah get out there that being said i that star wars looks to be on track the force awakens to um it's like smashing records everywhere it's's like best opening weekend, like best opening day, best Monday,
Starting point is 00:16:05 best Christmas day. Just best Monday. Just best Monday. People who go have the best Monday. The best Christmas day cinema thing, I think it was, no, it was Sherlock Holmes,
Starting point is 00:16:16 one of them. And that got 26 million and this got 40. And it looks like by the time this goes out, it's going to have passed $1 billion. Avatar May 2. Who would have thought people would flock to a Star Wars movie? and this got $40 billion. And it looks like by the time this goes out, it's going to have passed $1 billion. Avatar made $2 billion. Who would have thought people would flock to a Star Wars movie? It's quite strange and a good one.
Starting point is 00:16:32 Avatar made $2.7 billion. Now, this will slow. It's not going to make a billion dollars every week. But it still hasn't opened in China and it still beat Jurassic World's opening record and Jurassic World opened in China. So, like, it's on the way, mate. Golf Cup Star Wars, you did it.
Starting point is 00:16:49 You did it. Bless you. Bloody bless your little heart. It's good to see a major corporation winning for once. I don't know, man. Look, I know it's all marketing and toys and whatever, but I don't know. I just feel like it's a very well put together film.
Starting point is 00:17:02 I like what Disney are doing with a lot of different properties. Why not, man? It feels good, man. It feels great to get a win. Not us. Yeah. Certainly. There's not really a lot of news this week because it's just been a bloody, it's been
Starting point is 00:17:15 a Christmas bonanza. Yeah. But what we thought we'd do this week, which we threatened last week, we'll talk about the best and worst movie television stuff. Oh, sure. I didn't put comics in. Maybe we'll mention that at some point, I guess. We'll squeeze that in.
Starting point is 00:17:30 Of the year. And instead of being like, what did you think of this movie? What did you think of this movie? I emailed you a series of questions we're going to go through. Yeah. In many ways, these are awards. We could give the official Weekly Planet Awards. We can call them the Weekly Planet Awards.
Starting point is 00:17:44 Can we call them the Oscar Awards? Yes, we can. Okay, cool. That's good. Okay, this year, Oscar Awards. All right, so we're just going to go through- That's my friend Oscar. Have you met him?
Starting point is 00:17:52 I haven't. Is he nice? He lives in a bin. But yeah, he's all right. I've met him. He's all right. He's a good bloke. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:00 He's a bit of a son of a bitch, if I had to be honest with you. I'm going to start off with a category I know you're familiar with. It's near and dear to your heart. Favourite animated movie of the year, 2015? Oh, okay. Sure, sure. I'm looking at the list here. Yes.
Starting point is 00:18:14 Inside Out, Minions, The Good Dinosaur, The Peanuts Movie, Short and the Sheik, SpongeBob. I don't think we've even gotten The Good Dinosaur yet. No, I think you're right, actually. Apparently, it's not great. Uh-huh. I've heard it's not great. But it's Pixar, right've heard it's not great that
Starting point is 00:18:25 but it's pixar right yes how could it be bad because they're doing two a year yeah that's true yeah yeah apparently it's a very simple i think it is more aimed at kids but it's a very kind of simple narrative compared to like inside out which has got a lot of themes and whatever and don't the good dinosaur is just a dinosaur do pixar have like an a team and a b team that's a very good question. Yeah. I think they might. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:47 Right. Or do you think it's more like picking teams at school? Oh, okay. And Lasseter's like, I'll take that one and that one and that one. And the other guy's like, oh, I guess I'll take Larry. And Larry's just picking his teeth with a pencil. Are you talking about Larry the Cable Guy from the Cars movie? Yeah, he works at Pixar now.
Starting point is 00:19:08 He does, that's right. Yeah, so the only one I've seen of these, which I really enjoy, is Inside Out. Yeah. And I think, look, apparently the Peanuts movie is very good. Look, if we can give our best meme, probably Minions, because they are... They're bloody everywhere. They're all over the place.
Starting point is 00:19:22 They're all over your Facebook. They're telling you whether it's the Wednesday, whether it's the middle of the week, and maybe you're a bit tired, but you're glad it's the middle of the week. They're telling you you don't have to be crazy to work here, but it helps. There's probably a laser.
Starting point is 00:19:34 Get a little laser. I haven't seen any of those movies. You've seen Inside Out. No, I haven't seen Despicable. I mean, I haven't seen any movie with a minion in it. Yeah, they're all right. Okay, good. They're just... they're fine.
Starting point is 00:19:46 Like, they're just, they're... They're Dreamworks movies. They're Dreamworks. Yeah, they are. But the minions are merely, they're toys. Which is fine. It's all toys. It's all toys.
Starting point is 00:19:55 It's all marketing. We're all getting... Oh, no, here's... We're all getting... James is going to have one of his classic meltdowns. One of his classic anti-capitalist rants. Look at me. I went to Tanzania to help children.
Starting point is 00:20:07 Look, that was a long time ago. I haven't happened to kid in a long time. That's very true. It's good to be a hero, though. Yeah, we should probably move on from this, though. Okay, but Inside Out is our official Academy Award winner. The Oscar for Best Animation goes to Inside Out. I would be surprised if it went to any of these from this, though. Okay, but Inside Out is our official Academy Award winner. The Oscar for Best Animation goes to Inside Out. I would be surprised if it went to any of these other ones, though.
Starting point is 00:20:30 Yeah. Do you care about Peanuts? Weird, depressing world with a round-headed git. The really early Peanuts stuff is really funny. Okay. Like the Peanuts strip. And by the 80s... He did it to his death as well yeah he did yeah like he was like i'm finished i'm finished with peanuts thanks very much and then he died yeah he's one of those
Starting point is 00:20:51 it's exactly like one of those people who their whole life their job is their whole life and they're like well it's time to enjoy my retirement dead snap he's dead no he joins a he joins a gang he joins some street sharks dance fights all day good uh yeah no that's it look it they if you read like you can get you can get the archive you can get them for free on the internet i assume at this point but like the the early stuff it's like it's quite existential and it's quite, it's all about kids, you know, trying to figure out the world and they're depressed. And it's like, it's very, but then like, I guess by the eighties, Snoopy's the most marketable character. So he's all like, I'm a pilot.
Starting point is 00:21:36 I'm the Red Baron. I'm Joe Cool. I'm always, and that's just him trying on various different hats. Okay. For like 20 years. Okay. Gotcha. So it's not as good, but.
Starting point is 00:21:50 I know a lot of people have like real affinity for this movie and this property, but it's not something I really grew up with. That being said, I am very interested to see it because I've heard nothing but good things. And it's Paul Feig who does good stuff. Yeah, exactly. And he's doing the bloody Ghostbusters movie, which everybody will love. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:03 All right, what about this best sequel? There's a few here. Avengers 2, Hunger Games, Spectre, Mission Impossible everybody will love. Yeah. All right, what about this best sequel? There's a few here. Avengers 2, Hunger Games, Spectre, Mission Impossible, Star Wars. None of those. Whatever Fast and Furious movie they're up to. Jurassic World, Mad Max maybe, if that's a sequel. It has... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Any of those? Hang on, go through them all again. Avengers, Hunger Games, Spectre. None of those. Mission Impossible, Star Wars. Whatever Fast and Furious movie we're up to. Jurassic World, Mad Max. By the way, we're going to miss some shit.
Starting point is 00:22:26 Also, we should specify, there's probably spoilers. The only spoilers you should really worry about is Star Wars if you don't want to know anything. That being said, we're not going to out and out say anything. We're not going to out any characters in Star Wars. No, we're certainly not. They can do that in their own time. That's right.
Starting point is 00:22:42 So, thoughts? Sequel? I mean, it's all sequels, isn't it? Yeah, it's not the first bunch that you said. Yeah. Look, I'm going to give Mission Impossible 5 the Academy Award for not being as good as Mission Impossible 4. Harsh, but fair.
Starting point is 00:22:59 Yeah. Yeah, okay. That didn't sit well with you at all, that movie, did it? You didn't hate it, but you didn't that didn't sit well with you at all that movie did it like you didn't hate it but yeah but no yeah and then it it was the the problem i had with mission impossible 5 was it's a whole bunch of characters have been around for a decade yep and they're fallen for the same tricks okay that they were falling for in the first one sure yeah there's no if you if you're having a conversation with somebody who's like you know we're gonna we're a secret society and we're gonna destroy everything you've called dear and no one
Starting point is 00:23:32 knows we exist or whatever surely you'd be like i've got a contact lens in that records everything yeah that's right we've transmitted it like i've done it the text moved on but their brains haven't yeah exactly well that's right i'm gonna go with fast and furious 7 really yeah over star wars oh good point i forgot you said star wars oh sorry elvin and the chipmunks oh creed squeakle creed no it's not squeak well they're up to the road chip oh yeah great look uh but if if i'm saving if i'm saving movies for other categories. Okay. You can double up. Oh, you forgot Ted 2. Oh, yeah. Divergent?
Starting point is 00:24:09 The Squeakquel. Ted 2 Divergent. The Squeakquel. Scorch Trials. Sure. No, look. I'm going to say Fast and Furious 7. Sure.
Starting point is 00:24:20 Because we never thought they'd get another one. We never thought they'd make it to seven. Yeah, that's true. When the first one came out. And it's not going to appear in any other categories unless we give the Academy Award for driving a car out the window of a skyscraper and directly into another skyscraper.
Starting point is 00:24:38 It would definitely probably win the Academy Award for that. Spoiler alert, there's at least one category. This will come up again a bit later. Maybe I left it out of the email I sent to you. Is it Best Movie with a Rock in it? It might be. We should put that in.
Starting point is 00:24:50 But it's not San Andreas. It certainly isn't. Yeah. I've got shit to say about that. Let me tell you. For me... San Andreas does win the Academy Award for
Starting point is 00:24:59 Best Costumer brackets and by best I mean just gives all the female actors really unsupportive push-up bras. Like all of them. All of them. Every one of them. And then just now shake everything they're on.
Starting point is 00:25:14 Shake. I'm going to have to go with Star Wars. Oh, look at this place. I know. Oh, look at this slave to the corporate bloody empire. That's the real empire. It's bloody Disney, look at this slave to the corporate bloody empire. That's the real empire. It's bloody Disney, isn't it? Just selling you some merchandise.
Starting point is 00:25:30 Look at you. No, it's fine. I don't know if you consider Mad Max a sequel. Right. They're all kind of independent of each other. That's true. But anyway, speaking of, what's the best reboot? And a lot of people do say, oh, this isn't my Mad Max.
Starting point is 00:25:43 Shut up. Remember in mad max 2 and there's the kid the dog boy with a boomerang that's mad max this isn't mad max why you stop stop what what where's the where's the delineation there it's both weird stuff in a post-apocalyptic timeline exactly and if they did have a feral kid or whatever, you'd be like, well, it's just a retread in old ground, isn't it? Same with Star Wars.
Starting point is 00:26:09 Exactly. There are people out there determined to not be happy about these things. There's ways you can retread without it hurting the film. For example, Terminator Genisys is a retread in the worst way possible. Absolutely, yeah. And those two movies are examples of good retreads. Right?
Starting point is 00:26:24 Yeah. Good. Speaking of though retreads. Right? Yeah. Good. Speaking of though, best reboot. You got one? What did we have this year? Mad Max. Sure. Should have probably made a list here.
Starting point is 00:26:33 That's a sequel. Robocop. That was a bloody... Was that this year? Yeah. There you go. I guess that was... It's already on Netflix.
Starting point is 00:26:43 It is, isn't it? Well, that was like February. Oh, yeah. Good point. What else we got? Yeah. There you go. I guess that was... It's already on Netflix. It is, isn't it? Well, that was like February. Oh, yeah. Good point. What else we got? There must be a stack. I'm going to look up 2015. Oh, Fantastic Four?
Starting point is 00:26:52 Oh, sure. Jeez. That was interesting, wasn't it? Poltergeist. That was one. Oh, yeah. Look, it's Mad Max. Whatever the other one is.
Starting point is 00:27:00 Yeah. That's right. That's right. Again, when the first trailer came out for that and it said from mastermind george miller i'm like they're they've really put themselves out on a limb here this could be atrocious yes and it was such a pleasant surprise that's right very simple narrative it was mad there was max there was no dog boy which I know you were furious about. I was so furious. There was no just driving around in Ballarat or whatever. Just driving around in a semi-rural town off Melbourne. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:27:34 None of that. 30 minutes out of the city. There was no bloody, there's no bloody, what's his face? What's his name again? Tom. Tom Hardy? There was no Tom Hardy just hanging about in all brew a donger. Needed a bit more of that, didn't we?
Starting point is 00:27:51 Yeah. Did you hear they're re-releasing Mad Max in black and white? The original Mad Max? No, no, no. The new one. In black and white? Because it apparently... Is this EU approaching a pun?
Starting point is 00:28:03 Is this... No, this is... Okay, good. What pun could that possibly be? I don't know. That's exactly it apparently changes the whole... Is this EU approaching a pun? Is this... No, this is... Okay, good. What pun could that possibly be? I don't know. That's exactly it. I'm not that clever. Yeah, so that's the thing that's happening.
Starting point is 00:28:12 Oh, point break. Did we... I haven't seen it yet. Apparently it's garbage. Yeah. But we saw the trailer the other day and we were like, that looks all right. Yeah. But apparently stunt's amazing.
Starting point is 00:28:21 Uh-huh. Everything else garbage. Yeah. Because apparently the guy... Because remember in the first one, Johnny Utah kind of learns to surf and learns to be extreme. Yeah, amazing. Everything else garbage. Yeah, because apparently the guy... Because remember in the first one, Johnny Utah kind of learns to surf and learns to be extreme. Yeah, sure. In this one, Johnny Utah is an expert in every...
Starting point is 00:28:31 Oh, he's already extreme. So where can you go? Where can you go? And also all the posters and billboards say, find your breaking point. But they should really say, find your pointing break. Which makes less sense, but I would say it then. Yes, absolutely. Maybe it should just say, find your pointing break. Which makes less sense, but I would say it then. Yes, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:28:47 Maybe it should just say, find your pointing break. And then the two main characters just underneath it, like, what? I'll have to see it to find out, I guess, what that means. Yeah. What about this one? Best movie where the game was... Oh, reboot. Agent 47.
Starting point is 00:29:03 Balls. Exactly. Total shit. Did you see it? Yeah, I did. No, did you really? It was garbage. I couldn. Balls. Exactly. Total shit. Did you see it? Yeah, I did. No, did you really? It was garbage. I couldn't be bothered. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:09 Total balls. Yes. Best movie where the game was on. Oh my goodness. Well, Dracula Untold. I would argue that Star Wars is the best movie where the game was on. Oh, because at the end, yeah. You can't say it because you haven't seen it.
Starting point is 00:29:21 That's right. But very much so, the game was on. So I think that got snatched from Dracula Untold. Even though Dracula Untold had the line, the game is on, I still don't think it gets it. So you're saying a bit, exactly. And they, in a way, Dracula Untold invented the genre and the award. That's right. Imagine just being like, oh, we've got, people are going to remember this.
Starting point is 00:29:44 award that's right imagine just being like oh we've got oh people are going to remember this people are going to remember this weird medieval film where dracula's pretty much just a regular good guy with some weird powers and then at the end it's just the modern day for some reason and he meets his he sees a woman who looks exactly like his first love and just follows it down the street like a creep and then char Dance, who's a weird Nosferatu monster vampire in the past, is just a regular Charles Dance again. And then he says the game is on. What does it mean? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:13 Exactly. With Star Wars, you get to the end and you're like, okay, I can see a thousand ways where this could go. And I'm very interested. Dracula Untold is just like, what game? Why is this the moment? Why is this the moment why is this the trigger point yeah is that a reincarnation what's everyone been doing for 400 years because there's no evidence of the reincarnation exists in this universe he's just he's just creeping on
Starting point is 00:30:36 a woman who looks like somebody used to date you ever meet somebody like that they always date the same kind of person yeah definitely oh man yeah no it's total shit they wanted they wanted the weird Avengers yeah tie in well they're doing it
Starting point is 00:30:50 Tom Cruise is doing the mummy isn't he and the bird from Kingsman is going to be the female mummy oh yeah
Starting point is 00:30:57 the mummet mummet's great wait just mummy yes like a mummy like a woman like a mum like a mum
Starting point is 00:31:04 like a mom. Yeah, like a mom. Okay, there we go. Good, good, good. Was the Frankenstein movie wasn't a tie-in? Well, there was two. Okay. There was I, Frankenstein.
Starting point is 00:31:13 Fassbender? No. The other one? Eggheart. Okay. Where he fought gargoyles. Sure. In the present day?
Starting point is 00:31:21 Yes. He was a sexy Frankenstein. I know it's Frankenstein's monster. Don't email. In a way, the real monster is somebody who keeps pointing it out. That's true. And there was Victor Frankenstein, which was like a Frankenstein retelling. Oh, the funny one.
Starting point is 00:31:36 Very mixed. I haven't seen it, but very, very mixed. Okay, sure. Yeah, yeah. Did you see The Last Witch Hunter? No. We should do Best Vin Diesel movie. Okay, let's do Best...
Starting point is 00:31:45 It's not that, probably. Best Vin... Okay, the Academy Award for Best Vin Diesel Movie we probably haven't seen. Yes. But again, I like Fast and Furious 7. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Can't argue with that.
Starting point is 00:31:55 Yeah. I would definitely see Last Witch Hunter. That's like the thing... Do you remember the Keanu Reeves Samurai movie from last year, like December last year? I've been meaning to watch it where he's in a weird, it's ancient Japan and he's like a samurai and there's just like monsters and shit.
Starting point is 00:32:13 No. That's kind of like, I like that kind of stuff. Okay, the Academy Award for best Keanu Reeves movie that we probably haven't seen. From last year. From last year. So that one, the last couple of years. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:25 We don't have the kind of incredibly stringent restrictions that the actual Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences has. So I'm going to say the last couple of years. So that one. John Wick. I saw John Wick. It was good. That one where he lets the two women into his house.
Starting point is 00:32:41 Oh, yeah. And then they're like, we're going to kill you or something. Blackmail you. Oh, yeah, we're going to kill house. Oh, yeah. And then they're like, we're going to kill you or something. Blackmail you. Yeah. Oh, yeah, we're going to kill you. Yeah, yeah. Sure. Probably the samurai one.
Starting point is 00:32:50 Yeah, probably. Yeah, good. Yeah. Also, we should point out, we don't see everything. Yeah. Because we don't want to. That's pretty much it. If anybody wants to make a news resolution especially people like us
Starting point is 00:33:05 of the nerd variety yeah a good one and I think maybe I did make it last year was you don't have to see everything no
Starting point is 00:33:11 especially if it looks real bad it's probably gonna be bad if the trailer can't make it look good yeah it's not good there was a time
Starting point is 00:33:18 from like 2002 to maybe 2010 where we saw literally everything yeah no matter what yeah it was like going to work it was like going to work and you get maybe 2010, where we saw literally everything. No matter what. Yeah. It was like going to work.
Starting point is 00:33:26 It was like going to work. And you get maybe three good movies a year. We saw so much crap. Yes, sir. So, yeah. Time is limited now, isn't it? All right. What about this one?
Starting point is 00:33:37 We're all headed to the grave. Merry Christmas, everyone. Best non-reboot or non-sequel. How many were there? Well, there's The Martian. Oh, sure, yeah. There's Kingsman. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:33:48 Just pick something that you liked, I guess. Oh, yeah, sure. Non-reboot. Kingsman was great. Kingsman was great. I'm looking forward to some sort of sequel to that. Yeah, absolutely. I really enjoyed The Martian.
Starting point is 00:34:01 Oh, Ex-Marketer? That was amazing, actually. In a way star wars episode seven is just the reboot of that yes a lot of cast carry over yeah man those three are really really good i wouldn't even know i'm obviously we're talking like big kind of ten pole kind of movies we're not talking like some art crap. Yeah. Some sort of foreign film. I think maybe Ex Machina or Kingsman. That being said, I did like The Martian a lot.
Starting point is 00:34:33 Oh, you know what? If we're going to say non-reboot, I'm going to say further. Not based on a film? Yeah, non-licensed property. So Kingsman is out because it was... And Martian's out because it's a book yeah yeah yeah okay
Starting point is 00:34:46 so we're left with one film Ex Machina Ex Machina that was released in 2015 yeah yeah it was not based on something else yeah so yeah that was great
Starting point is 00:34:54 and there's a great dance sequence yeah it's real weird oh yeah it's real weird yeah I'm sure look I'm sure there's others and look
Starting point is 00:35:01 these are just kind of off the top of the head our head aren't we sure yeah I'm sure afterwards everybody will be like, oh, god damn it. A lot of people have been, I don't know if this is based on a book, The Lobster. A lot of people have recommended that.
Starting point is 00:35:11 The Colin Farrell one. Yeah, I've heard it's really good. Yeah, Colin Farrell. And Rachel Weisz. There you go. Two people. And Leah Seydoux. Seydoux, yes.
Starting point is 00:35:21 Ed and the Seydoux fortune. Correct. Yeah. Oh, Ben Whishaw's in it. Oh, he's very whimsical, isn't he? Yeah. Johnir to the Sea-Doo fortune. Correct. Yeah. Oh, Ben Whishaw's in it. Oh, he's very whimsical, isn't he? Yeah. John C. Reilly's in this film. Oh.
Starting point is 00:35:29 Yeah. Guys, stop what you're doing right now. Go to some sort of weird indie cinema and watch The Lobster. Even better, just read off the Wikipedia list and go, Ooh, look who's in that. I know. Imagine the fun things they've been in. Ooh.
Starting point is 00:35:43 What about this? I've only got one option for this because I don't see these movies. Great. Horror movie. Ugh. What did we see this year? I watched It Follows. That is literally the only thing I watched.
Starting point is 00:35:53 Oh, sure. Okay, right, right, right. I watched it on Netflix the other week. Uh-huh. I really, really enjoyed it. Okay. Maybe because I don't really watch horror movies. Yeah, because we differ on this.
Starting point is 00:36:02 In a way. Because I thought it was... Look, I thought it was a great concept. Yes. But I did not care. For the disaffected youth? Yes, because they play... It's this tipping point where everybody in that movie is good
Starting point is 00:36:17 and they play disaffected teenagers who don't care about anything. Yeah. They're sort of in fear of this monster, but they're also like, let's just go to the beach and kind of just say i guess and just look into the water and be sad and i'm like i don't care if you live or die i don't care about any of the things that's you know what that's very true and maybe it's because i don't really watch a lot of horror movies but no i, I think on like creep factor alone. Yep.
Starting point is 00:36:48 Like it was quite unsettling. Yes. At points. And I think that's what I kind of, and I don't really, I don't like jump scares. But they're good. Like they keep them to a minimum. And the ones you get are genuine. Genuine.
Starting point is 00:37:02 And they're sort of extended jump scares. It's like somebody walking into a room is terrified it's like this the snap where they open the door and somebody's coming and you're like oh they're not cutting away from this this is still happening yeah exactly i look it's a great concept i didn't love all of it yeah but you know what it would have been better if it's set in the 80s because like you said i mean it kind of is a throwback to those kind of Halloween and whatever. Yeah, I think I did say that it could be, it's a movie where the premise of this monster
Starting point is 00:37:31 that comes and kills people could be solved with a Reddit thread, where you'd be like, hey, I've got this problem with this monster, and this happens, and like a whole bunch of people would be like, oh, you know how you could fix this? You can do this,
Starting point is 00:37:43 and then we'll build a little algorithm, and we'll figure it out, and everybody can go to the website and sign up and then we'll fix this whole problem and the monster will never we'll just keep it going forever yeah yeah yeah absolutely they'd arrange flight times and stuff like that so the monster would you know you could be like okay well i'm taking a into i'm going cross-country i'm going intercontinental so So just get on the plane. That's funny. Yeah, exactly. Because the monster has to walk.
Starting point is 00:38:10 What an idiot. You know, I've looked up 2015 horror movies and a lot of horror movies were released. Yeah. Like pages and pages. Oh, yeah. It's weird because we did a horror movie episode a while back. We did. We phoned it in.
Starting point is 00:38:21 Absolutely. Just like this one. Look, and it's's a it's a whole like it's like a whole industry unto itself kind of thing like there's a lot there's actually quite a few things that i would want to say kind of want to see cramp what do you feel about what do you feel i i definitely want to see the cramp crampus move i like a lot of the people that are in that yeah look i'm sick of people telling me on like on websites, like, could you believe the Krampus exists? Could you believe this whack?
Starting point is 00:38:47 Yeah, I fucking can. I've known about this for like 20 years. Stop telling... Like, everybody knows about the Krampus now. It's not a big deal. Human Centipede 3 came out. That guy, man. What the hell is wrong with that guy?
Starting point is 00:39:00 Seriously. What are you doing? There's a movie called Green Room with Patrick Stewart in it. Okay. And Imogen Poots, the most British woman in the world. That's right. Transformers 3's own Imogen Poots, or maybe 4, I don't know. Anton Yelchin is in this movie.
Starting point is 00:39:17 I like that girl. Alia Shawkat. Don't know that person. She's maybe in Arrested Development. Oh, maybe. Interesting. That's how delightful. I get that. She's maybe in Arrested Development. Oh, maybe. Interesting. That's how delightful. I get it.
Starting point is 00:39:29 Anyway, that's all I got. What about this best comic book? Here's a resolution for me. I'm giving myself the Academy Award for best resolution 2016. I'm going to see more horror movies. Okay. People could maybe, because there's a lot to get through here. Big horror movie fans, if you didn't all tune out after our horror movie episode.
Starting point is 00:39:47 Which you have. Just let me know what your pick was. Yeah. Or give me like a top three of this year because there's been a lot and I'll try to get to them. Can't say it follows. No, I've said it. That's right. So at Wikipedia Brown on Twitter, just let me know.
Starting point is 00:40:00 Hit him up. He'll know then. What about this best comic book TV show? Flash Arrow. Supergirl. Supergirl. Agents of S. What about his best comic book TV show? Flash, Arrow. Supergirl. Supergirl. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Constantine, which is now cancelled.
Starting point is 00:40:12 I think that's about it. I'm going to say the back end of Arrow. No, it's Arrow. Flash season one. I haven't watched a lot of season two, so I can't say. I've heard it's not as strong. It's kind of tailed off a bit, the new season of Flash. But I really enjoyed Flash season one.
Starting point is 00:40:29 I think... Walking Dead as well. Yeah, I think Flash is the more comic book-y of the two. Certainly. Of the two clear standouts. Yes. Everything else is going in the garbage. Though Walking Dead has a massive, massive follow-up.
Starting point is 00:40:43 I'm never going in. It's too late. It's too late. I maintain that you should watch maybe the next half of the season or do an episode. We'll just be like... All right. We'll get to it.
Starting point is 00:40:55 Put it on the list. Good. Yeah, look, I think... I feel Flash has more colourful characters. Yes. It's got a gorilla. Yeah, Arrow... And a giant shark. Exactly. It's got a gorilla. Yeah. And a giant shark.
Starting point is 00:41:06 Exactly. Like, Arrows sort of had to lay the groundwork, so it couldn't get that silly. Not straight up. And, you know, you can jump on whichever boat you want. You can have a gritty-ish. What am I saying? Daredevil, Jessica Jones. Oh, yeah, those ones. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:25 Those amazing acclaimed ones. Both of those.. Oh, yeah, those ones. Yeah. Those amazing acclaimed ones. Both of those. But anyway, sorry, keep going. Okay. Of the ridiculous ones. Flash. Because we had colourful characters. I think Grant Gustin's great.
Starting point is 00:41:37 I think, what's his face? Cisco. Stephen Amell is great in Arrow. Yep. He's, you know what? Everybody's great in those shows.'s you know what everybody's great in those shows I agree
Starting point is 00:41:46 I cannot argue with that they've built really solid ensembles agreed in those shows yeah like you know you'd go
Starting point is 00:41:52 oh who cares about you introduce you know characters like who cares about this Diggle guy yeah but he's been great the whole time
Starting point is 00:41:59 he's been a rock Felicity Smoke great yep some other ones that have come and gone the guy who's like oh I'm a cop on the edge I'm an alcoholic or whatever
Starting point is 00:42:07 maybe my daughter's an alcoholic I'm scared about my daughter I hate the arrow, now I work with the arrow nah, he's alright, I hate him again am I the mayor now? I don't know I know I'm a beat cop again anyway, spoiler alert for every season of Arrow
Starting point is 00:42:23 but look, that one laid the ground it's gritty i enjoy it for me it kind of it's kind of lost it's yeah it's it's settled into a formula yeah as all tv series it was all genre tv series inevitably must flash still feels a bit fresher yeah plus we've got the guys from prison break as heat waving captain cold that's true who are my favorites probably my favorite comic book well then you'll love tomorrow legends of tomorrow yeah hopefully yeah i love the fact that wentworth miller is just he's a super villain and he's a jerk it's very good yeah like but he's just he's not a he's not a he's not a killer no necessarily he can be yeah but he's just he's just in it for being a jerk.
Starting point is 00:43:07 I enjoy that a lot. But of the acclaimed serieses, you've got to pick one. Netflix or Jessica Jones. I think I'm going to have to say Daredevil because it kicked it off. Yep. That being said, Kristen Ritter is so good in that. She's really good. And I think the villain is better than in Jessica Jones as well.
Starting point is 00:43:29 I liked Kingpin. A lot of people had problems with him because he's just a big baby in a suit. Yeah, that's for me, yeah. Yeah. I might have to go Jessica Jones. But that's probably... Also, I've seen that more recently. Which would you re-watch again?
Starting point is 00:43:45 Well, I probably Daredevil because I haven't seen it in a while. Yeah, same. Yeah. But that's not to say that I think it's better. Yeah. I'm going to say Daredevil. I think for me, Jessica Jones, watching it again would be a tough watch. Like pretty soon.
Starting point is 00:44:00 Not because it's bad. It's great. But because like thematically there's some heavy stuff in there. And it's also not as comic book. It's so very loosely tied into the Marvel Universe. I think they could have done a better job integrating it. Oh, okay. More Easter eggs.
Starting point is 00:44:18 So many Easter eggs to find. So many things that I missed. But, you know, I'm definitely looking forward to a season 2 yeah I want to see I want to see Australia's own what's her face Winkworth Miller
Starting point is 00:44:30 yeah no the other guy no I don't know yeah oh Hellcat yeah yeah Rachel Taylor Rachel Taylor
Starting point is 00:44:35 there we go thank you yeah she's gonna be great in that I want to see poor man's Chris Evans do his thing oh yes oh bloody what's his name
Starting point is 00:44:43 Nuke yeah yeah what about this? What about like best TV show in general? I guess we'll rule out the Netflix ones. Yep. For me, it came down to three. Okay, I'm ready.
Starting point is 00:44:54 Rick and Morty. Yep. Game of Thrones, as always, which I love. Fargo. Season 10. Do you feel the shine is coming off Game of Thrones? No. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:04 I feel like it's just amping up. Yeah. I'm excited to see what happens. They had some really standard episodes, in particular the one, I think it's Hardhome. Yeah. There's that huge battle. The problem with Game of Thrones for every season is the first episode is, these are the characters.
Starting point is 00:45:19 Do you remember? This is what they're doing. And then the second episode is kind of advanced story slightly, and then it takes like three and four to something to happen but i think for the next season they're changing that up because people are like well episode nine is the big episode and episode seven the twist episode and whatever so i'm hoping they switch it up but like production values alone game of thrones looks incredible incredible it's amazing it's well cast it's well. It's well cast. It's well acted. It's well written. It's great. What about you? Ricky Morty is definitely excellent.
Starting point is 00:45:51 It's amazing. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you said excellent. I said amazing. What's the difference? I don't know. I shouldn't have even chimed in. Keep going, please.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Or maybe, but in terms of live action, something that was very compelling. Yes. Hannibal? I've got to watch it. Yeah, I've got to. I still haven't. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:11 It's amazing, right? Yeah, it's good. It's really good. God damn it. I mean, again, it's quite an intense watch. Sure. And about a full season and a half is a number of characters attempting to convince each other that they're crazy.
Starting point is 00:46:25 But if you like that. I do, very much so so and mads mickelson's great in it yeah yeah the other half is great the other half of what the the other guy the other actor the other mads mickelson yeah okay good he's lower half lawrence fishburne is great is he in that who's he play he's like the police chief very good yeah is he crazy no he's like the police chief. Very good. Is he crazy? No, he's quite. Is he trying to convince someone else that they're crazy? No, but he's concerned people are crazy. I bet he is. There's probably a lot of shenanigans going on around
Starting point is 00:46:54 him. Gillian Anderson's great in it. What? She's in Hannibal. Yeah. I didn't know that. When did True Detective Season 1 come out? Was that last year? It was last year. You cannot take it. You cannot say True Detective. Can I say True Detective Season 2? I. Was that last year? It was last year. You cannot take it. You cannot say True Detective. Can I say True Detective Season 2? I won't.
Starting point is 00:47:08 Yeah. Do you think that's going to get another season? Definitely. Where do you think? Do you think they're going to... Bring back the first guys? Not even that, but bring back the weird mythology. Yes, that's what they need to do.
Starting point is 00:47:24 It was weird land deals. Hugh Dancy, that's the other half of Hannibal. Hugh Dancy. Hugh Dancy. Yeah, like True Detective Season 2, I liked a lot of the performances. A lot of people didn't like Vince Vaughn. I really enjoyed him in it.
Starting point is 00:47:35 I thought he was really good. But it's just land deals and people taking it. There's a lot more moving pieces. Again, I think that... Far too complicated. Yeah, look, I think that if they... If the creator... Rachel McAdams was great in it as well.
Starting point is 00:47:50 Yeah. If the creator had said, look, I'm going to go with... This is like an anthology series. I'm going to go in a number of different directions. This first one is mythology. The second one's more like crime and bureaucracy and boring boring and the third one's going to be something else yeah i think
Starting point is 00:48:12 people would have been like oh let's give this a chance and we'll see where the third like if you'd said the third one's about fishing yeah fishing the fishing industry, or like, you know, crime in like a war-torn city or something like that. Okay, sure, yeah. Or, you know, maybe like a different arena of, like a different genre of crime or something like that. Yeah. Then I think people would be like, I'm willing to give the second one a go and see how,
Starting point is 00:48:39 well, not even because it's bad, but seeing like... You know what, it's not bad. It's just not as good as the first one. Yeah. That's the main fault, I guess. That and some of the writing. Sure. It's two faults.
Starting point is 00:48:51 Yeah. Yeah. What about... Also, Fargo's great. Fargo's amazing. I love it. I haven't got around to it. I will.
Starting point is 00:48:57 It's really good. You should watch it. I will. It's good. Shut up. Shut up, man. Sorry, I'll shut up. Do you have an underrated property or TV show or movie?
Starting point is 00:49:08 Ooh. I don't know. I can kick off. We're pretty good at rating things. That's true. We are. Tomorrowland. We've talked about it before.
Starting point is 00:49:16 We have talked about it. I had a good fun time. I understand why people don't like it. Yes. It is very preachy. Yep. Who's it for? Do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:49:24 We don't know. It's not. It's for kids. It's for adults. Adults. We don't know. Yeah and who's it for? Do you know what I mean? We don't know. Like the kids, it's about adults. We don't know, yeah. What's going on? But I think I like a lot of the, I like the main message. I like, like visually it's quite, I love the world of Tomorrowland and the weird, it was weird because I went to Disneyland this year in Japan. I like the tribal mason.
Starting point is 00:49:41 I'm a man of the world. And seeing Tomorrowland was quite weird. That's got nothing to do with anything. The point, they nailed that aesthetic, though, is what I'm saying. Absolutely, they did, yeah. Like the bringing it over. And Hugh Laurie's good in it. He is, isn't he?
Starting point is 00:49:57 He's really good. And he's drinking his juice to stay young. So, yeah. What about Chappie? Didn't hate it. Couldn't recommend it. No, I find that was quite rated. I think most people got that right.
Starting point is 00:50:08 Yes. But I'm saying, no, but people are like, it's abysmal. It's not abysmal. Oh, okay. Sure, sure. It's fine. I wouldn't recommend it, but I didn't hate it, is what I'm saying. Anything else?
Starting point is 00:50:19 No, not really. Hey, special Academy Award for best movie that's a bit of a train wreck movie train wreck well that was my next question best comedy uh but also um best award for actual train wreck fantastic four it's a real bloody real bloody mess best comedy yeah so you're a train wreck i haven't seen it okay well of all the ones that i would see yep the only one i've seen is spy yeah i enjoyed like i didn't see the only one I've seen is Spy which I enjoyed. Like I didn't see Trainwreck
Starting point is 00:50:46 I haven't seen The Night Before which was the Seth Rogen Joseph Gordon-Levitt Anthony Mackie one Christmas one I really want to see.
Starting point is 00:50:54 I haven't seen The Ridiculous Six but I've heard nothing but good things. Sure yeah. So I guess by default Spy. You know what
Starting point is 00:51:00 I was pleasantly surprised by Pitch Perfect 2. Yeah you did say that. I remember saying that. It's fun. It's real good fun. Having not seen the previous one or really anything by any of those guys really.
Starting point is 00:51:12 Yeah, sure. Pleasantly surprised. Elizabeth Banks directed Pitch Perfect 2. She did, yeah. So yeah, not the first one. Did you see American Ultra? No. I should put that on the list.
Starting point is 00:51:21 No, chuck it on. Okay, cool. Someone who's listening, our listeners, weekly whacker to do, is if you could get a list of all the things that I say I'm going to, because I'll forget. Yes. If you could compile them. You have your phone in your head.
Starting point is 00:51:33 You could type it in right now. I could literally take screenshots of the movies that I'm looking at, but it seems like a lot of work. Ooh, Hot Pursuit. No. Reese Witherspoon and Sofia Vergara. Don't do it. It's never gonna happen
Starting point is 00:51:45 total garbage yeah Vacation I'm interested to see what Vacation is like I'm also really I don't understand
Starting point is 00:51:53 why all the posters and billboards and trailers showed them bathing in sewage yeah do you know what I'm talking about
Starting point is 00:52:01 I do know exactly what you mean why is that everywhere I don't know there's a movie called Absolutely Anything. Simon Pegg is in it and a dog wearing glasses. It's the Monty Python group made that. Really?
Starting point is 00:52:12 Yes. How did that fly under the radar? Because it's not very good, apparently. That's probably it. That's almost certainly it. Robin Williams is the dog. Pixels. Ugh.
Starting point is 00:52:21 I do want to watch it just to see how bad it is. Yeah. I'm sure it's on Netflix ugh ugh oh here's one because I've googled 2015 comedy movies
Starting point is 00:52:30 yep my memory like a sieve at this point here's one that maybe will knock everything off the top of the list go
Starting point is 00:52:37 in the comedy in the comedy genre go 2015's Entourage Dream Large Live Larger is that a comedy is it funny it is but not in the way Go. 2015's Entourage. Dream large, live larger. Is that a comedy?
Starting point is 00:52:47 Is it funny? It is, but not in the way it thinks it is. Yeah, sure. Can I give an award to Pixels for being the most unfuck-uppable movie that they fucked up? Oh, definitely you can. Yeah. And I would also give that the award for if we we probably if we want to do worse trailers yeah look batman v superman's right up there yeah but at least you
Starting point is 00:53:13 go oh there's some good stuff in that yeah that's true yeah like there's you know there's there's companies they just make trailers they went we've got a heap of good stuff people want it people want to see a heap of good stuff they want it people want to see a heap of good stuff they want it before they go in there that's right but pixels i think takes it because it's no part of that is funny or good everybody looks like they're phoning it in yep you don't get the sense that anybody cares about what they're doing which is it's it could have been Ghostbusters. Yeah. I don't understand. Yeah. What about this?
Starting point is 00:53:50 Best dead actor recreated using CGI or actor that's digitally de-aged. Oh, very good. So we've got Philip Seymour Hoffman from The Hunger Games Part 2 Mockingjay Part 2. Mm-hmm. Paul Walker
Starting point is 00:53:59 Fast and the Furious Part whatever we're up to. Michael Douglas Ant-Man. Michael Douglas Ant-Man. Mm-hmm. I think that's it. That's pretty good. Those are some good choices.
Starting point is 00:54:07 We didn't get Cushing back for The Force Awakens, which is disappointing. We were after all, hashtag, pushing for Cushing. No, that's going to be for Rogue One, man. We're pushing for Cushing. We're also pushing for Cushing that one. That's the one we're pushing for. Okay, fine. All right.
Starting point is 00:54:20 God. Philip Seymour Hoffman, not convincing at all in Hunger Games. And also was in it for like two seconds. Yes. And Woody Harrelson read a letter from him at one point. That's right. They're like, Philip Seymour Hoffman couldn't be here, but luckily he's written this letter that I'll read to you all.
Starting point is 00:54:35 Paul Walker, they really, the most of that, there's parts you can tell it's not him, but for the most part, considering he'd only filmed like half of it, pretty solid. Pretty good, yeah. That being said, that Michael Douglas D only filmed like half of it, pretty solid. Pretty good, yeah. That being said, that Michael Douglas DH, it's pretty good. You know what, they finally... I don't want to say that they finally did,
Starting point is 00:54:52 because I feel like there's definite room for improvement, and I feel like I'll look at that in two years and go, ugh. Like you can see, I think I mentioned this when we reviewed Ant-Man. Anchor points. You can see where clearly they've put the dots on his face or whatever
Starting point is 00:55:06 Michael Douglas was willing to do Yes Whatever they tricked him into Yeah Do you reckon they told him or do you reckon they just put him in makeup
Starting point is 00:55:14 put him on him and pushed him out Oh right right right maybe Yeah Then he got back to his trailer and was like God damn
Starting point is 00:55:19 These are not coming off Oh god This is permanent marker But yeah When he moves his head you can see a little bit of drag behind it. I heard from the people who did that that the technology behind it hasn't changed. They've just refined it.
Starting point is 00:55:33 So since they started doing this with, I think, X-Men 3, where they did Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen, it's the same technique. It's just they're better at it now, which I find really interesting. So Michael Douglas? Michael Douglas but let's pull one out for Paul Walker sure tell you all about it
Starting point is 00:55:51 when I see you again it's a pretty good song best kids movie you got one? Minions Pan just kidding tell us what you think about Pan
Starting point is 00:56:04 I will I'll get to it. Okay, good. There's a specific category for it. You've built a special category because you hated it so much. No, that's not really. We'll talk about it when we talk about things we hated. Okay.
Starting point is 00:56:14 I'm going to say Cinderella. I've said it before. Okay. It's a solid retelling of Cinderella. Yep. I think it's not just a good... Like I've said, that's how you... You don't do a gritty reboot of Alice in Wonderland. Sure.
Starting point is 00:56:29 Just do the classic stories, but tell them well. And that's how you do it. It looks like they're doing that with the Jungle Book. I feel like they're going to start doing them all. I think they're going to do Aladdin and Lion King and all of them, depending on how Jungle Book goes. But Cinderella, solid retelling, well cast. The dude from Game of Thrones is in it. It's pretty good, I guess.
Starting point is 00:56:48 Is it Charles Dance? No, he's not in it, actually. That's disappointing. It is. Because we could have had a best film featuring Charles Dance. That's true. The Academy Award. That's right.
Starting point is 00:56:56 I'm going to go with Inside Out. Fair. Because I didn't really see that many kids' movies. Yeah, fair enough. I mean, except for everything we watch, which is ultimately a kids' movie. Because we've never grown up. Look, Inside Out is probably a better movie than Cinderella.
Starting point is 00:57:09 I think I talk about Cinderella too much. You really do. For a man with as magnificent a man cave as we have right here, you talk about Cinderella more. Regular room. All right. What about this? There's more in here that you'd think.
Starting point is 00:57:21 Best spy movie. Oh, because we've got Kingsman. Kingsman. Spy. We've got Mission Impossible 5. Correct. Do you want me to that you'd think. Best spy movie. Oh, because we've got Kingsman. Kingsman. Spy. Spy. We've got Mission Impossible 5. Correct. Do you want me to help you?
Starting point is 00:57:29 Please. Spectre. Yeah. Man from Uncle. Ooh. It's definitely Kingsman. Hmm. Is it?
Starting point is 00:57:37 Better than... Okay, I'll name a thing and you tell me if it's better than Kingsman. Okay. Spy. No, that's... Kingsman is better mission impossible five although statham really he's very he's so good yeah yeah okay he is you're right i'm gonna give him the academy award for jason statham this year he's really nailed it
Starting point is 00:57:57 some years he doesn't get it he really oh so good in that. He's the best, isn't he? Yeah. I would see a movie just to that guy. Yeah, right? Spin-off. Yeah. Yeah. But that being said, Kingsman is still better than Jason Statham's. Yes.
Starting point is 00:58:18 Actually, in retrospect, I really quite like Man From U.N.C.L.E. Really? Yeah. You know why? Guess why. His handsomeness? Fun romp. Sure.
Starting point is 00:58:25 Pretty good. I shouldn't know And it sort of It sort of falls off the rails a bit In the last act Yeah Like there's action sequences That are just compacted into montages And there's a
Starting point is 00:58:35 There's a There's that classic You think the bad guys have got them But then Moments later There's a flashback sequence That's right Which explains why
Starting point is 00:58:44 But they do that after like 30 seconds after a thing happens which we've talked about yeah before we did that we talked about that episode specter is uh but i think they were good i think henry cavill and army hammer were good yeah they were good team absolutely i'm just gonna put in biggest disappointment okay good for light i didn't i'll add that one in. So many, so many options. Kingsman, definitely for me. What about this? Yeah, okay.
Starting point is 00:59:10 Look, it also, Kingsman had some incredible action sequences. Yes, it did. Now that I think about it. Yeah, it really did. Almost all of them. Fist fights. It had some great fist fights. It had some unconvincing exploding heads.
Starting point is 00:59:25 Yes, it did. But it did have, and it also had that incredible and also incredibly bizarre sequence where Colin Firth kills everybody in that church. Yeah. See, I don't even think, that's not my favourite sequence of that movie either. I like the end fight a lot more.
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Starting point is 01:00:41 Best movie that's just a movie. Oh my goodness. For anybody who hasn't listened before, just a movie. Oh, my goodness. For anybody who hasn't listened before, just a movie... Our rankings are normally best movie ever, worst movie ever, but also most movies fit into the category of it's just a movie, which means it's not terrible,
Starting point is 01:00:56 it's not offensive, it's not standout. You'll watch the movie and you'll go, that was okay, and then you'll never think about it again. And maybe when it comes out on digital versatile disc or Blumenthal Ray yes
Starting point is 01:01:10 which is what Blumenthal Ray is short for after Heston Blumenthal yes the famous chef is that his name? I don't know why not and you'll go like
Starting point is 01:01:21 oh that's maybe I'll watch maybe I'll buy that or whatever if I've got a free weekend or something. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah. I'm going to say something controversial. Okay, I'm ready.
Starting point is 01:01:29 Both of Marvel's movies this year, Age of Ultron and Ant-Man. Just movies. I didn't hate them. I was very entertained. Yep. A lot of people hate Age of Ultron now, like have kind of turned on it. I should say that also for anybody who hasn't listened before,
Starting point is 01:01:42 my number one fear was that Star Wars, The Force Awakens, was going to be just a movie. Yes. Because people have been- I wouldn't say that was a fear of yours. No, it wasn't a fear. I was interested to see how it would turn out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:53 Because there were so many people who have been hanging their hopes on this movie that I was just so interested to see if their hopes would be just dashed on the rocks. Because people have been waiting either... 30 years. 30 years or like a decade at least from the prequels or whatever. Absolutely. But yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:16 So you're saying the Marvel movies. Yeah, but also Man From U.N.C.L.E. Also... Did you think that was going to be more than just a movie though? No, but I'm not saying... I'm no expectations but I'm like it's completely
Starting point is 01:02:27 you said at the time the Guy Ritchie must be completely spherical because all these edges have been sanded off I did say that didn't I? yes but I don't know I thought that was yeah
Starting point is 01:02:36 you're right it was perfectly serviceable but I don't know I feel just a movie yeah I kind of have to go in with some expectations that maybe it's going to be. Okay, sure.
Starting point is 01:02:48 Maybe it's going to be something more than that. Sure, fair enough. And I think maybe Age of Ultron has nailed that for me. Because, look, if the first Avengers was like every element of that just pushed the story forward. Yep. And it looked amazing. Yep. And all the characters were great
Starting point is 01:03:05 and just what about this but the second one was fine yeah exactly it's fine what about this Jurassic World
Starting point is 01:03:13 maybe controversial I liked it yep it was fun I'll never watch it again I'll also never watch it again yeah but I definitely
Starting point is 01:03:22 didn't hate it you know what I'll never I will never watch Jurassic World again. I have since watched Age of Ultron again. So it's going to Jurassic World. There you go. Well played.
Starting point is 01:03:31 Very good. Yep. What about this? You've convinced a very easily convinced man to change his opinion. Oh, yeah. Like, this is all subjective. I'll say a different thing in five minutes from now. I'll think a different thing, but I won't say it.
Starting point is 01:03:43 Because let's just move it along, eh? Sure, yeah. Hey, wait a minute. but I won't say it because let's just move it along. Sure, yeah. Hey, wait a minute. What about Worst Reboot or Sequel? Oh, Fantastic Four. What about Terminator Genisys? It's not that.
Starting point is 01:03:53 It's definitely Fantastic Four. Yeah, look. Terminator Genisys has Arnold fighting Arnold. I like that a lot. The first ten minutes of that movie is really good. Really good, yeah. That elevates it from Worst... Because at least you've got that. as Arnold fighting Arnold. I like that a lot. The first 10 minutes of that movie is really good.
Starting point is 01:04:05 Really good, yeah. That elevates it from worst, because at least you've got that. And it's incredibly disappointing from that point forward, but at least you can find that clip on YouTube, probably. You certainly can. Oh, digital DAG. There's another one, Arnold, from that one. Yeah, okay.
Starting point is 01:04:23 Does he beat out Hank Pym? I don't think he does. No, no. Interesting though, isn't it? It's just something to think about, isn't it? Something to think about and discuss on a podcast. Fantastic Four obviously was a train wreck, like the movie Trainwreck,
Starting point is 01:04:37 but not in the way it was supposed to be. We did a whole episode on it. I don't really know if we need to get into it. Please go back if you want to hear us kick a dead horse for two hours. Just a pile of men on the ground. Just really. Just not a man on the ground. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:55 Just, good boy. Just bad. From beginning to end. No, see, I wouldn't even say beginning to end. I would say it's just a movie to a point, and then it just takes a real sharp turn. It's also really misleading, the stuff that's in the trailers. No, I reckon disappointing from beginning to end,
Starting point is 01:05:13 confusing from beginning to end. How old are the characters? Why does one kid live in a junkyard? What year is it? Is it the 50s? Because it looked like, that movie, it did feel like, is this the 60s?
Starting point is 01:05:28 But, we've changed our mind about what era it's going to be seen. So now we have to digitally add flat screen TVs to all the surfaces. So it's the modern era. Why is he going to a high school science fair when he's clearly at least 30? Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 01:05:42 You had that exact thought, didn't you? Because there's a scene, like the second or third scene in the movie, you see Jamie Bell, who does look quite young, but he's at least late 20s. And Miles Teller, who's also late 20s. And you thought, and they're at a science fair, and you thought, why are these grown men competing against children? But it turns out they're in high school.
Starting point is 01:06:03 That's right. But not only that, it's made even weirder by the fact that the children that you really see are really little children. Yeah. Which makes it even weirder. Like at least have them all high school age. Yeah. At least get a whole bunch of people in their 20s
Starting point is 01:06:18 and give them Letterman jackets or whatever. That's right. Yeah. Like all American TV shows from the 90s. You did have that fear that you were wondering why American teenagers were so big when you were a kid. Oh, when I was a kid? Yeah, I did. Yeah. Like all American TV shows from the 90s. You did have that fear that you were wondering why American teenagers were so big when you were a kid. Oh, when I was a kid. Yeah, I did. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:29 Because they're all 35. Why are they so much bigger than us? Yeah. They're just playing young. All right. What about this? Actor you were least annoyed by in a movie? Or actress?
Starting point is 01:06:38 Can we think of a worse, like any more? There's no worse. I don't see bad movies generally. Yeah. I don't. Unless it's a comic book movie, where I'm like, well, I guess I have to see this. Yeah, maybe it's good. Like, I'm sure The Ridiculous Six is worse than everything.
Starting point is 01:06:51 Oh, yeah. But I'm not seeing it. Because my feeling is with, like, a Fantastic Four or something like that, it's always like, well, maybe the people seeing it are like, they don't see a hidden depth that I see because I'm a comic book guy. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:07:06 They won't get this, but I'll get this. So I'll have to see it. And then I'll be like, no, but that's a throwback to their old adventures in the 60s. I get it. You don't get it. You don't get it. But it wasn't, and it's just not so bad.
Starting point is 01:07:19 Like, here we go. I looked it up, and it's not Mordecai. I haven't seen it. Is that a reboot? No, no. I'm just... Oh, yeah, it is. It's just worse movies in general. Yeah, I probably should have looked it up and it's not Mordecai. I haven't seen it. Is that a reboot? No, no. I'm just... Oh, yeah, it is. It's just worse movies in general.
Starting point is 01:07:27 Yeah, I probably should have looked it up. I'm going to Google movies that are worse than Fantastic Four and see if anything comes up. Movies. I'm also going to do that. Apparently Aloha is terrible. Again, not a sequel. And it's also not really our...
Starting point is 01:07:38 No. You know what? It's been auto-completed already at Google. You go movies worse than Fifty Shades of Grey Human Centipede Fantastic Four it's already there
Starting point is 01:07:50 well done the internet you've done it yeah that's probably every other podcast if they've gotten that question first
Starting point is 01:07:57 yes that's right yeah anything in there no Screen Rant says Fantastic Four is the worst reviewed Marvel movie ever
Starting point is 01:08:03 agreed I don't think it's worse than Elektra or it's on par with Elektra Screen Rant says Fantastic Four is the worst reviewed Marvel movie ever. Agreed. I don't think it's worse than Elektra. Or it's on par with Elektra. Or The Spirit or something like that. Or probably Catwoman, I haven't seen it. Yep. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:15 That was the tipping point. When you were like, you don't have to see everything. That's true, yeah. That was like 2004. Yeah. Maybe we dismissed that one. What about this? Actor you were least annoyed by in a movie? Oh.
Starting point is 01:08:25 I got three. Oh, yeah? Are any of them children? No. Okay. Stallone in Creed? Yep. I don't like Stallone.
Starting point is 01:08:34 You hate him. I've talked about it a lot. You hate his guts. Yep. You hate his human growth hormone inflamed guts. But he's great as Rocky. He really is. I think it's the only thing he can do
Starting point is 01:08:46 other than really arrogant action man who's unconvincingly good at everything. Harrison Ford in Force Awakens. Sure, yeah. He's great. Yep. I know there's one bit in particular where he's kind of hamming it up there, isn't he?
Starting point is 01:09:00 Yeah. But we won't go into it. Yeah. And Donald Gleeson. A few people emailed in it's not dominal as i keep saying it's donald gleason who's he goes maybe maybe fix the misspelling in your name maybe fix some typos domina hall he goes from like ex machina where he's like this kind of geeky computer programming kind of tragic kind of dude to full Nazi in Star Wars.
Starting point is 01:09:26 Yeah, that's true. A lot of people are like, well, I don't particularly care for this. It's a bit heavy-handed. No, even the last Star Wars movie, they were all Nazis. They're all Nazis. They're all weird British Nazis. They're all pallid, pasty British Nazis.
Starting point is 01:09:40 That's what we want and that's what we got. That's what we get. Well played, Dom Nahal. Yeah, I've heard people not realise that that's the same guy. If you look at him in About Time, that guy, man. Also, he's amazing. He's in that episode of Black Mirror. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:09:55 So he's been... Weird robot. He's been an AI. He's hung out with an AI. Yep. And he's a Nazi. Not unrelated, but whatever. He's also in... what's the movie?
Starting point is 01:10:07 The one with his dad, who's the priest, who gets the death threat in the small town. I can't remember. He's good in that. You're thinking of an episode of Heartbeat. I certainly am. Yeah. Is that still going?
Starting point is 01:10:21 It's probably still the 60s. That show's been going for 25 years. Yeah. Yeah, you got any standouts for you? Have you seen... Unrelated. Have you seen... There's a blog.
Starting point is 01:10:31 I can't remember what it's called, the blog address, but it's about a fictional town in England called Scarfolk. Right. Which just repeats the 1970s over and over again, like it's caught in a temporal loop. No. And it's all these... They all know it's being caught?
Starting point is 01:10:48 Does everybody know they're stuck in the 70s? Yeah, kind of. Okay. But it's... Well, maybe they just resigned to it kind of thing. Yeah. And it's just a series of like newspaper articles and ads and like community service announcements.
Starting point is 01:11:00 Yeah. Like they've all been photoshopped. Yeah. And it's just this bizarre hell town. I'm going to find the link. Please do. We'll get to that in a
Starting point is 01:11:10 second. Yeah. That sounds great. It's great. Anybody stand out though for actors? Oh that didn't annoy me.
Starting point is 01:11:17 I guess we could say best. No no no. It's not in the spirit of this podcast. That's true. Nobody gets acknowledgement for
Starting point is 01:11:24 nothing. That's right. Matt Damon in The Martian. Fair. There's not in the spirit of this podcast. That's true. Nobody gets acknowledgement for nothing. That's right. Matt Damon in The Martian. Fair. There's my pick. Acting it on a Skype. Yeah, exactly. Like for a movie, like he has to carry that whole thing.
Starting point is 01:11:34 He does, yeah. Yeah. You know what? The kid in Tomorrowland also did not irritate me. Yeah. The girl, the 25-year-old girl or the little girl? The little girl. Yeah, she was good, actually.
Starting point is 01:11:44 Yeah, good point., actually. Good point. And look, that's the best you can hope for in a child actor. You certainly can. I can't argue with that. That's where I thought you were going with this. I thought you had a big list of like, I didn't want to throttle that kid. What about the Jurassic Park kids? Jurassic World kids?
Starting point is 01:11:58 I wanted to throttle those kids. Is it his helmet hair? Yeah. Because he's like, my parents broke up. And the other one's like, yeah, my parents broke up and the other one's like yeah my parents broke up hey hey baby what's up you hated those women i could leer at throttle those kids yeah what about this actor you were most annoyed by those kids as a team i'm gonna say everybody at entourage everybody's incredibly not aware of themselves.
Starting point is 01:12:26 I can't even get past the fact that are these guys even real people? Because I hate them so much. I hate them in real life. Like I hate the guy who plays Turtle. He's probably a very nice guy. Probably not. I want to say, in real life, who do you think is the worst of them? I think Adrian Grenier is the biggest knob.
Starting point is 01:12:47 I'm not saying, I don't think he's the same as Vinny Chase. I think he's a knob for just different reasons. Just general pretentiousness. See, I don't know. I think that maybe he's very grateful for what he's got. His beautiful hair. What else is he going to be doing? Nothing.
Starting point is 01:13:00 That's a good point. I reckon Piven might be the worst. I've heard piven's bad actually yeah i mean i say heard i've read it on the internet sure yeah yeah internet scuttlebutt yeah yeah what about matt uh damon matt dylan's brother kevin dylan kevin dylan he's like i feel like is he even acting it's tough to say i don't know i hate everybody in that movie i hate the minor characters i hate the people who cameo in it. I hate it all.
Starting point is 01:13:26 I hate Ronda Rousey in that movie. Oh, you hated Ronda Rousey. I thought she was the best part of that. She did beat up Turtle. I thought... No, there's that weird scene where she's like, I just wanted to date a regular billionaire, Turtle, and now I can't believe that...
Starting point is 01:13:36 But how is she going to save that? That's not her job. She's not. You're right. It's not her job to save that movie. I think the best... Her and Turtle, those two dating, is the best part of that movie.
Starting point is 01:13:45 Okay. It's not a high bar to leap over, but I think that's the best her and Turtle those two dating is the best part of that movie okay it's not a high bar to leap over but I think that's the best part and at least it's like oh it's fun and then I haven't
Starting point is 01:13:52 you know nah I don't agree with any of that I think it's all crap that being said I'd love there to be a sequel because I'd love to talk about it again
Starting point is 01:13:59 me too I really enjoyed doing that episode just shredding that movie apart I think it's one of my favorites. We've probably talked about the movie Now You See Me a number of times. It's fun, but it's no good. And it's nonsensical.
Starting point is 01:14:14 I've talked about it at length on this podcast and on the podcast Scamapalooza. We had a whole episode devoted to it. Yes, you did. I am super looking forward to the next one. Daniel Radcliffe's in it and he's like in the trailer, and he's like, oh, look, it's me. I'm Harry Potter, but I'm also a wacky magician man. And I'm like, cannot wait.
Starting point is 01:14:32 In. We'll do an episode on it. Please. We'll definitely do an episode on it. Yeah. Best hair, anybody? I'm just going to say Hemsworth and everything. He's got very versatile hair.
Starting point is 01:14:41 Have you seen that photo of him like super slimmed down? Yeah, for the whale movie that everyone hates of him super slimmed down? Yeah. We must have talked about that. The whale movie that everyone hates. Oh, is that it? Yeah. Everyone hates that whale movie. Oh, yeah. That is Chris Hemsworth.
Starting point is 01:14:53 Hemsworth. Hemsworth. Oh, best hair. Give me a minute. I've got to make a decision here. It's certainly not Tom Cruise's Mission Impossible 5 hair. Don't like it as much. Weird bowl cut.
Starting point is 01:15:03 What's he doing? I don't like it. What about Chris Evans? Serviceable hair. It's fine. It's fine. Yeah, it's fine. In your face, Evans.
Starting point is 01:15:14 Yeah, in your face. That's right. Look, maybe Charlie Brown's weird little cowlick. Okay, done. P.S. movie. Done and done. Or Alicia Vikander in Ex Machina. Because she's got so many hair to choose from.
Starting point is 01:15:25 She's got so many hair. So many hair to choose from. Yeah, she's good. Yeah, she's a robot. Actually, she's got great hair in Men From U.N.C.L.E. Men From U.N.C.L.E. too, yeah. She's got great hair in that. All right, Lifetime Achievement Award.
Starting point is 01:15:38 Okay, we're going to call it the Alicia Vikander Tom Cruise Lifetime Achievement Award in Hair. And this year, Vikander gets it. Well done. Or however you pronounce her name. Whatever it is. If that is indeed her name, bless her. Give her biggest disappointment of the year in terms of something you were really looking forward to.
Starting point is 01:15:56 It doesn't necessarily have to be a bad outcome. It's just something you were just like, ugh, okay. Saw that. Ant-Man. Although, what was I expecting really? Yeah. An Edgar. Ant-Man. Although, what was I expecting, really? Yeah. An Edgar Wright Ant-Man movie. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:10 Oh, yeah. I guess that's true. I was expecting more. Yeah, you know what? I was expecting, given that it was... We've hammered on about this. We've banged on about this for such a long time. I don't hate Ant-Man.
Starting point is 01:16:22 Yeah. I think it's as good as it could have been. I think it's a miracle it's as good as it is. Right. But also, I kind of hoped. But did you hope for more? Definitely. But after Edgar Wright left, I'm like, well, this is not going to be that now.
Starting point is 01:16:35 That's why I'm not disappointed about it. I felt, look, if Edgar Wright's put this framework in and we've got Paul Rudd, who's hilarious and literally everything else he's been in. Yep. And other things. Michael Douglas. Michael Douglas. Then I thought, look, I thought it was going to be funnier.
Starting point is 01:16:53 Especially the oddest thing about Ant-Man for me was that they pulled funny lines from the trailer. Yes. Like they dumped him. Yeah, that's true. Not even hilarious lines, but lines that you expected there to be in like where he's like I'm Ant-Man wasn't my idea
Starting point is 01:17:08 kind of thing but then they took that out and I don't understand that's fair but like if they kick Edgar Wright they're not going to
Starting point is 01:17:16 make an Edgar Wright film no that's true they kick Edgar Wright because they don't want to do the thing that he wants to do yeah so I'm going to say it's not a disappointment for me
Starting point is 01:17:23 it just is I'm going to say Spectre not a disappointment for me. It just is. I'm going to say Spectre. Probably a disappointment for Edgar Wright. Yes, definitely. Spectre was a disappointment? Yep. It wasn't terrible.
Starting point is 01:17:32 Yep. I'm just like, I don't even care about this James Bond weird connected universe anymore. Oh, yeah. Just, can we just get some
Starting point is 01:17:39 good Bond films again, please? Yeah. Again, look, I reckon a lot to like. I reckon it's the best. I to like I reckon it's the best I reckon it's the best one since Casino Royale yeah that might be true
Starting point is 01:17:48 which may not may not be saying that much yeah but look good good fights good fights yeah there was good fights okayish car chase
Starting point is 01:17:56 yep bad plane tumbling down a mountain chase great great he went to the snow which was great great train fight great train. Great train fight. Great train fight.
Starting point is 01:18:06 Best train fight since... Money Train. I was going to say from Russia with Love, but you're right. Money Train has edged it in. Yeah, okay, good. Yeah. What about a movie you haven't seen,
Starting point is 01:18:17 but you want to see? Or you got something else for disappointment? Mission Impossible 5 okay let me down I was kind of hoping for something good 4 again
Starting point is 01:18:31 I was hoping for 4 again I didn't get 4 again and I didn't do it but you were really looking forward to Jupiter Ascending weren't you no
Starting point is 01:18:37 what that was out this year that didn't even come out this year there you go amazing oh man it was this year
Starting point is 01:18:44 it definitely was. What about a movie you haven't seen but you want to see? I haven't seen Sicario. I said I would. Didn't get to it. It was great. The Lobster, which I've mentioned earlier. I really want to see the Steve Jobs movie.
Starting point is 01:18:56 It's because it's directed by my favorite director, one of Danny Boyle, who I love and everything. You sure do. Yeah. What movie did he like that you love? Trainspotting was pretty good. No. They're doing the sequel. All the original cast are back. I'm very do. Yeah. What movie did he like that you love? Trainspotting was pretty good. No. They're doing the sequel.
Starting point is 01:19:06 All the original cast are back. I'm very excited. Huh. That being said, Sunshine's a good movie, isn't it? Ugh. Anything else? I'll hate for late. I'm looking forward to that.
Starting point is 01:19:16 I've seen it. What do you reckon? It's pretty good. Is that out or did you... Look, I didn't download it, but I was away for the week, as you know, at the beach. Oh, you got leaked, right? Oh, no, because what happens? This happens every Oscar season.
Starting point is 01:19:27 I call it Pirate Bay Christmas. Oh, yes. Where basically everything goes into consideration in the Academy Awards and someone leaks it. Right, because all the people in the Academy receive a screener on Digital Versatile Disc or Blumenthal Ray. And inevitably one person goes well I'll just give it to my friend to watch because where's the harm
Starting point is 01:19:52 and that person's like I'll put it on the internet. That's right and it's out there. Yeah and they get fired or whatever. I'm still going to see it because it's the kind of movie that lends itself to. I think there's a support group in Hollywood for interns who made the terrible mistake of leaking a movie? Or a trailer. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:10 Definitely. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. That's a big group. Oh, sorry. I hate for late. Where were we going with that? It's good.
Starting point is 01:20:17 Look, I don't think it's his strongest. I watched... Do you know the movie with the Spill Crew? They used to do it. They now do a thing called Double Toasted or some of them. It's a YouTube channel. None of these things are making any sense. The Spill Crew.
Starting point is 01:20:28 Are they a dance team? No, no, no. They used to do a podcast. They're really good. They don't do it anymore, but they did this other thing called Double Toasted. And they did a review of it. And look, I can't say this word because it's not a word that I feel comfortable saying. Sure.
Starting point is 01:20:42 There's a lot of N words in it. Right. And the one issue they have with it is they feel Quentin Tarantino really just loves just throwing that in as much as he can into every movie. So there's a lot of that. Yeah. The justification's always been, we grew up in a black neighbourhood, so it's fine, or something.
Starting point is 01:20:58 Yeah. He worked in a video store in a black neighbourhood. Yeah, yeah. Let's just say the N-word as much as you want. And look, there's certain... I'm putting my foot down, it doesn't. Yeah, and look, there are movies and scenes where it lends itself to it,
Starting point is 01:21:10 but I can understand where that's coming from. That being said, that word for me doesn't have the connotation it does for somebody else. Sure. So I don't have the right, really, to have any opinion on it. Yeah. But, you know, he really leans on it. And also, his gratuitous...
Starting point is 01:21:22 The villains or also the heroes? Or are they all villains ultimately? In Hateful Eight. Yeah. It's like Reservoir Dogs. Yeah. It's just like kind of one setting. It's got a great kind of premise, but there's a tipping point where it just turns into like
Starting point is 01:21:35 a... Things get extreme, kind of, you know, there's violence and whatever. And I think he's ramped it up too much. Like he's started... He's just kicked it up. Is it a cartoon now? Yeah. Okay. And look, I have no, and it's not like,
Starting point is 01:21:51 oh, this is horrendous and it's not even the violence. It's like certain acts that, there's some things that just don't really, I don't know, didn't really sit right with me. It's not a terrible movie, Money Stretch. It's good. It's beautifully shot. Everybody's really good. Kurt Russell's got great hair. I should have mentioned it earlier. It's not a terrible movie, Money Switch. It's good. It's beautifully shot. Everybody's really good.
Starting point is 01:22:05 Kurt Russell's got great hair. I should have mentioned it earlier. How's he looking? He's looking quite fragile and furious. No, he looks very robust. Okay, good. That's good relief.
Starting point is 01:22:13 Yeah. We'll finally get that Escape from New York slash LA reboot. With probably Gerard Butler instead. Great. But yeah, no, it's certainly not terrible.
Starting point is 01:22:24 Not for the faint hearted well yeah I don't know how I feel about it yet honestly I'm still kind of thinking about it
Starting point is 01:22:29 is that a sign of quality do you think it's definitely yeah it's a quality film I don't doubt that I don't doubt it at all no but I mean
Starting point is 01:22:37 if you're like I don't know how I feel about that is it art it's beautifully shot no but I'm not even like visually not aesthetically
Starting point is 01:22:44 but I mean like if you come out of a movie and you shot no but I'm not even like visually not aesthetically but I mean like if you come out of a movie and you go I don't know how I feel about that is that a sign of art? oh I guess it is I don't know I don't know anything about art
Starting point is 01:22:53 Tarantino as an auteur I think he's great I genuinely do I actually got the opportunity to someone emailed me from Village or whatever said you know we're doing a press
Starting point is 01:23:05 junket for hateful like do you want to interview him uh-huh and i'm like no i don't we could have we could have dressed as the vega brothers dress as the vega brothers and shut up i don't want to interview anybody i don't give a shit enough about anybody shoot us with this we've been we've squibbed ourselves shoot us with this fake gun qu squibbed ourselves. Shoot us with this fake gun, Quentin. Quentin, we love you. I don't want to bother. Look. Quentin, call us the N-word, Quentin.
Starting point is 01:23:34 Everybody in these press jackets and... I'm dressed as Sam Jackson. I'm dressed as... I'm blacked up. Call me the N-word, Quentin. Would have been the best... We've never really... We've never interviewed anybody. No.
Starting point is 01:23:46 And I'm like... It's been offered a couple of times yeah and my only goal like we because we've talked about dracula untold yes they're like what do you do it we're like oh i don't i'm like and you were out of town i think and i'm like i don't really want to do it but i guess if it's if we have to get some more listeners or something or get a funny bit out of it or whatever and like i thought of some questions and then i'm like okay all this has to be is not one of those videos that shows up on buzzfeed as the this is the worst celebrity interview you've ever seen as long as it's better than that yeah that's right okay okay but like i don't want to meet they don't want to meet me what i have no questions that i need answered that i can't
Starting point is 01:24:31 just google like quentin we're dressed as two of the crazy idiots look at us look at us like and people i've had friends got like be like be like what do you mean you don't want to meet quentin tarantino i don't want to meet Quentin Tarantino? I don't want to meet anybody. Yeah, okay. You know what? The only person I'd probably stop would be Hugh Jackman. I wouldn't even stop him. I'd just be like, hey, Hugh Jackman, you're great.
Starting point is 01:24:52 I wouldn't stop him. He could just keep walking. I think he would stop, though. I don't want to stop him, though. I reckon he'd be like, yeah, no, that's true. I reckon he'd be like, no problem. You want a photo or whatever? And you're like, oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:25:01 I guess so. He's pretty good, isn't he? Quentin, I'm dressed as the pussy wagon. I'm a transformer. I'm a robot that turns into the pussy wagon. All right. How about this? Next interview.
Starting point is 01:25:12 I'm going to think of another one. Why don't we go and do it? Whatever it is, we'll go and- No matter what, as the Vega brothers. I'm Michael Madsen. Anyway, what about this? Movies they should stop making. I'm going to say, I've got three.
Starting point is 01:25:29 I'm going to say definitely do not stop making Fantastic Four movies. I want to just see them keep driving it into the ground. Me too. Absolutely. Again, it's like Entourage. It is. They're never going to do a good one. For whatever reason, they can't get it right,
Starting point is 01:25:46 but please don't stop making them. Really funny. Oh, my God. What if, I don't know, what if one day we find a time capsule, Josh Trank buried it in 2015, and we open it up, and Trank's like, here's my vision for Fantastic Four 2015 reboot
Starting point is 01:26:08 and it's exactly what he put on screen. He's like, you like entertainment? You like artistic entertainment? I did it. See how much joy you got out of this, of hating this film? That's entertainment. That's art. I'd be like, that's amazing.
Starting point is 01:26:22 You've done it, Josh Trank. You're a genius. Yeah, I kind of don't want it to go back to marvel because i just want to see what they do with it i want to see it get ruined again which is kind of selfish because a lot of people love those characters it's kind of it is selfish maybe it could be kind of how about this you know how for whatever a reason that i can't recall the james bond the rights of james bond went to A reason that I can't recall, the rights to the James Bond went to this guy Kevin McLaury for a while. And he made Never Say Never Again. And they made the original Casino Royale. The real weird, terrible one.
Starting point is 01:26:54 What if Marvel got the rights back and they integrated the Fantastic Four back into the Marvel Universe, but... I'm listening. into the Marvel Universe, but... I'm listening. A couple of weirdos got, like, they got the rights. They could make their own Fantastic Four movies. So you want both? I want the best of both worlds. I also want that.
Starting point is 01:27:14 And now there's precedent. James Bond has given us precedent. That's right, yeah, yeah. I hope this happens and they're like, oh, Fantastic Four's great now. They're in the Marvel Universe. They're hanging out with all the Avengers. And there's just somebody gone like...
Starting point is 01:27:26 A weird off-brand. Yeah, off-brand. Like that, the rest of development. Yes. Fantastic Four version. Yeah, like they... Like, and then Urva Ball gets a crack at it. Oh my God, can you imagine?
Starting point is 01:27:38 Like he finds a new loophole and he's like, I can make a profit from this. Yeah. And they're like, well, we can't stop him. Tell me why Zoe said he wanted to do it. Fantastic Four. Yeah. Really?
Starting point is 01:27:47 Yeah. Amazing. So good. I still have to see The Room. It's really good. I know. I've heard nothing but good things. Okay.
Starting point is 01:27:55 They need to stop making transporter movies. I didn't see it, but stop making them. They need to stop making Transformers movies. Yes, but we didn't get one this year. Okay. They need make stop making transformers movies yes but they we didn't get one this year okay they need to stop making taken movies because taken three was earlier this year it was garbage okay and i think they're doing a tv show now and they need to stop making hitman please stop making the hitman movies because they're not even you don't have any kind of love for the franchise they're not a train wreck necessarily they're just no good just and i think they're all made from like you know they're kind of all kind of
Starting point is 01:28:32 funded by the french film group or whatever so yeah they're kind of because they're very popular in europe yeah that's why the liam neeson movies yeah getting made. And the transporter movies, you're right. Yeah, so please stop making... They're just crap. Stop making them. Worst comic book movies. I'm going to say stop making Hunger Games movies. Yeah, please. I'm sure I said something different last week or the week before,
Starting point is 01:28:57 whatever it was, but now it's done. They've just trickled. Stop making the Divergent movies. I haven't seen them. Stop making Scorched Files. No, I'm okay with it. I just trickled. They just trickled and nothing. Stop making the Divergent movies. I haven't seen them. Stop making Scorched Files. I'm okay with it. I didn't mind the Maze Runner. All right.
Starting point is 01:29:08 Yeah. Well, having seen none of them, I say stop making Maze Runner movies. Stop the guys who keep making those knock-off... You know, the Seltzer brothers? Friedberg and Seltzer? And they make like... Oh, like scary movies. Superhero movie.
Starting point is 01:29:20 They make the ones that are worse than scary movies. They make like... It's the one with... Oh, epic movies. Yeah, like that kind of shit. Did they release one this year? I think they did a Fast and Furious one on Netflix. Fantastic.
Starting point is 01:29:31 And what else was... There was another one I couldn't... I can't remember. It's like one of the Wayans brothers is doing a Fifty Shades of Grey knockoff called Fifty Shades of Black. There's a trailer out that looks total garbage. All of that. Stop making parodies of things that people don't even like in the first place.
Starting point is 01:29:50 And things that are comedies already. Yes. Stop it. Like, if you put Borat in an epic movie, what are you doing? Yeah. Borat is... Anyway. It's just the comedy of recognition. Yes, it is. It's just the comedy of recognition.
Starting point is 01:30:05 Yes, it is. It's just... And someone has to say, oh my God, it's Britney Spears shaving her head because she had that weird meltdown. Yeah. Yeah, we all remember. We all remember 2006.
Starting point is 01:30:15 I wonder what the fuck that was. It was seven. Was it? Okay. Any other thoughts? No, I just keep making all the movies. All makeable. They're all great.
Starting point is 01:30:24 What about worst comic book movie? It's obviously Fantastic Four. Should we find another one though? Yeah, like the next worst. Yeah. All right, let's have a look. Okay, let's find the next worst one. What if the worst comic book movie of next year is Batman v Superman?
Starting point is 01:30:40 2015. Here we go. Avengers, Ant-Man. The animated ones don't count, I guess. No, absolutely not. No, there was only Avengers Ant-Man Fantastic Four. Oh, you know what that means? What?
Starting point is 01:30:52 The trains coming to a station. The hype train. The superhero movies. The bubbles. There's going to be seven this year, I think. Okay, there never was. Next year, sorry. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:01 Oh, I don't know, man. I guess it's, by default, it's the Avengers or Ant-Man. Probably Ant-Man. Which one did I enjoy more? I don't know man I guess it's by default it's the Avengers or Ant-Man probably Ant-Man which one did I enjoy more I don't know I liked them both on Kingsman
Starting point is 01:31:12 Kingsman was a comic book movie oh yeah but that was really good that was quite good yeah very good I don't know you know what let's give it a fantastic
Starting point is 01:31:20 well let's give them a clean sweep yes good good let's let them win in every category it would be unfair to put that award on any of those other movies. Absolutely it would, yeah. What about best comic book movie? My dog's snoring.
Starting point is 01:31:32 Your dog is snoring. She's great. Give me my options again. I've forgotten. I've forgotten what came out this year. All the Marvel stuff. Two of them. Avengers and Ant-Man.
Starting point is 01:31:41 Fantastic Four. Kingsman. Big Hero 6 maybe. I don't know. I'm sure there's more. I can't. I don't know. It's very late.
Starting point is 01:31:51 I'm very tired. Yeah. Was there an X-Men movie this year? I don't think there was. It was last year. Oh, Days of Future Past. That was last year. It was last year.
Starting point is 01:31:58 Okay, good. All right. Kingsman. It's Kingsman. It certainly is. It sure is Kingsman. Worst movie. Movie you hated the most.
Starting point is 01:32:05 Doesn't necessarily have to be the worst movie. Yep. Fantastic Four was probably the worst movie, but I didn't hate it. I hated it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I enjoyed talking about it. Yeah. I hated that earthquake one with The Rock.
Starting point is 01:32:17 San Andreas. I hated it. I didn't hate it. Maybe I should have. I hate disaster movies. Yep. I just think it's... I love The Rock,
Starting point is 01:32:26 but it's just a balls movie. Did you hate the part that Johan Griffith... Yes. Just he's a normal... That's the thing. Like, it seems like a movie where they did rewrites while it was happening.
Starting point is 01:32:35 Yep. And they're like, oh, Johan Griffith, he's just gonna... We just kind of have him just be a... He's a stepdad and he's rich,
Starting point is 01:32:42 but he's just a regular guy. Yes. And like, he didn't have kids because he was just an architect and he's just a he's rich but he's just a regular guy and like he didn't have kids because he he was just an architect and he yeah he's building his kids or whatever yeah let's just have him disappear and then they're like well we need a villain like this isn't testing well somehow whoever we're testing it on the interns they need we need someone who could potentially be punched or killed by a tidal wave. Yes. So let's have him. Or both.
Starting point is 01:33:06 Yeah, so let's have him abandon his... Daughter. Stepdaughter. After a head injury. Yeah, and then push somebody into the path of a collapsing building. Or a tsunami or something. Yeah, okay. And then he gets his comeuppance.
Starting point is 01:33:21 Yeah. Yeah, I just hated everything. I hate how bad The Rock was at his job in that movie. He stole a rescue helicopter just to go after his daughter. And he rescued one person. His daughter. Oh, and his wife. And his wife, yes.
Starting point is 01:33:32 Yeah. Just no good. Even The Rock's career. There was a weird CGI car flip at the start where it fell down a mountain. Also, I really hated Pan. Like, just so much. Here we go. I don't have anything to say.
Starting point is 01:33:49 I talked about it. I don't even know what episode it was in. Because I didn't put it in the title. I think I just started talking about it because I remember I came back from a lovely beach holiday. That's right. We drove to the worst cinema in Melbourne because I'm like the other side of the city.
Starting point is 01:34:06 And we just sat. Because sometimes when they give you media tickets, you can't use them in any kind of scenario where it might be advantageous to the review. So it's like you can't go to the IMAX. You can't go to a big screen. You can't do the 3D. You can't go on a Friday or a Saturday
Starting point is 01:34:25 when maybe enthusiastic crowds might tip you over the edge. Like, this is okay. Oh, but the crowd loves it, so it's good. That's right. You have to see it on like a Tuesday afternoon in the tiny theatre. On the other side of town. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:34:39 With the media who hate everything. That's right. That being said, like, you know, it's nice to get free tickets. Boy, is it. We love you, media departments media departments we certainly do you got a worst one though look i cannot i'm struggling to think of anything that you have any passion for i didn't hate pan no you didn't yeah look i clearly like clearly it was an attempt at a franchise like to kick off a franchise yes there are elements that i thought I was going to hate that I didn't hate.
Starting point is 01:35:07 Yeah. Like the idea that he's singing Nirvana. We've got Hubert Jackman singing Nirvana songs and stuff like that. But again, I'm like, oh, that's because he's from maybe- He's from all time. He's from all time and space. That's actually kind of intriguing. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:21 They could have explored that a bit more, though. Yeah. Garrett Hedlund did a terrible Han Solo impersonation as Captain Hook, where he's like, I'm not a good guy, I'm a bad guy, but he did nothing but heroic things the entire movie. Yeah, that's true. Peter Pan didn't believe in himself,
Starting point is 01:35:36 because he's like, what if I'm not Peter Pan? What if I can't fly? We saw you do it! You did it in front of, like, 10,000 people. What are you talking about? It's just a terrible garbage film. How do the flying ships work? I take big issue with that.
Starting point is 01:35:53 Because the wheel only goes left and right. So how does it go up and down? How does it go up and down? You believe in yourself. That's how it works. Not good enough. And when they're like, yeah, I think I can get this flying ship going that's crashed.
Starting point is 01:36:02 And then they do. How? What's in it? Is it a motor? Is it magic? What is this terrible world? And when they're like, yeah, I think I can get this flying ship going that's crashed. And then they do. How? Yep. What's in it? Is it a motor? Is it magic? What is this terrible world? I hated it.
Starting point is 01:36:12 I'm going to say, look, I'm going to give them the clean sweep once again. I'm going to say Fantastic Four. Worst movie of the year. Tied with Mockingjay because it was just nothing. Yeah, fair. It's a nothing film. Okay, that's fair. I'm also looking forward to The Revenant.
Starting point is 01:36:25 Me too. Looks great. Very much so. Oh, that's a nothing film. Okay, that's fair. I'm also looking forward to The Revenant. Me too. Looks great. Very much so. Oh, that's a category here. Best movie where- Best movie that is The Revenant? Of where Leonardo DiCaprio gets mauled by a bear. Oh, sure.
Starting point is 01:36:33 We haven't seen it yet, so we can't possibly- Can't give it to him yet. Yeah. Best movie of the year for you. I guess we're just talking blockbusters, I guess. Yep, uh-huh. I got three. three is one of the Mad Max
Starting point is 01:36:48 yes yeah Mad Max Star Wars Ex Machina they're my three and then there's like I said there's stuff I haven't
Starting point is 01:36:55 seen I'm gonna say Tie I'm gonna say Mad Max yep and I'm gonna say Furious 7
Starting point is 01:37:00 what are you what are you talking about because I was so pleasantly surprised how fun and dumb it was. I know that's a little out of left field, but I don't care. I just like movies with cars moving around. All right?
Starting point is 01:37:16 But you didn't see Need for Speed. No, that was real boring. I attempted that, but it was so boring. It was so boring. Okay, yep. I attempted that but it was so boring it was so boring okay yep and again these ratings mean nothing and I'll change my mind I'll change my mind
Starting point is 01:37:32 next week on nostalgia alone yes Star Wars right okay and it's also a good movie yep I feel so are you picking one
Starting point is 01:37:40 out of these no but I'm gonna pick Ex Machina okay you know what I really liked Ex Machina. Okay. You know what? I really liked Ex Machina. Yep. It didn't bring the whole world crashing around my ears like a lot of people.
Starting point is 01:37:54 A lot of people were like, this movie is so disturbing. I didn't find that. I was just like, oh my God, it blew my mind. I thought this was just a really well-made film. Yeah, it was good. That's what I thought. Yeah. But Mad Max was pretty great as well. Yeah, it was good that's what I that's what I thought yeah but Mad Max was pretty great yeah it was great
Starting point is 01:38:07 yeah I don't know man maybe we get people to tweet us in hashtag weekly planet pod oh yeah good idea what's your bloody
Starting point is 01:38:13 I also really like Star Wars a lot yeah it's pretty good isn't it least favourite and favourite Star Wars I'm too close to Star Wars as well I like Star Wars too much as a franchise even though most of it's terrible
Starting point is 01:38:23 uh huh I I can't see it clearly. I know that. So I don't feel like I can pick it. Then it just came out. True. But you know what?
Starting point is 01:38:34 I saw it a second time and I missed the first 15 minutes. You know what? It's still great. I still really enjoyed it. Great. It's pretty good. Well, you knew what was going to happen. That's true.
Starting point is 01:38:42 I did. I predicted it as I was going. I yelled it out. Things were going to happen. That's true, I did. I predicted it as I was going. I yelled it out, things were going to happen. All right, so that's this. We did, didn't we? Yeah, the 2015 Oscar Academy Awards. We did it. Success.
Starting point is 01:38:59 What are any of these movies you'd buy on Hester Blumen, Ray? What? Any of them would you buy on Hester? It's your joke. Do I get it? I get it. Would you buy any of them? It's Blumenthal, right?
Starting point is 01:39:10 Blumenthal, right? Sorry. God. Bit of respect for the man. He's a famous chef or whatever it is he does. I don't know. Maybe Justin Australia, maybe? No, no, no.
Starting point is 01:39:20 Yeah. Any of these? Is that the yardstick? Would I buy them on home theatre movie? Yeah. Yeah. All right then. Great.
Starting point is 01:39:30 There we go. You know what it's time for? What's it time for? What we reading? What we gonna read? I'm doing the thing. What are we reading today? What are you reading?
Starting point is 01:39:45 I haven't picked anything to read this week. Oh, my God. I know, right? They've got a hateful eight. Is it out at cinemas? I feel bad downloading it. Yeah, fair enough, yeah. And he's all...
Starting point is 01:39:55 Think of Quentin Tarantino's sad little face. He's got a pretty big face. Think of his big, gigantic dinner plate face, right? He's just... He's in his big, gigantic dinner plate face, right? He's just, he's in his mansion and he's just got his head down in a pile of cocaine. Swizzling it about. Just blazing away. Maybe he's crying. Yeah, but he's there and he's having a grand old time.
Starting point is 01:40:17 Oh, he's having a good time. And then his assistant knocks on his door and he's like, Mr. Tarantino, and he's like, call me Quentin! Call me QT, because I'm a real QT. And he's like, all right, look. QT. QT. And he's like, yeah, what's up?
Starting point is 01:40:37 You want in on some of this? And the guy's like, no, it's fine. Look. Thank you, boss. Yeah. The hateful eight's been leaked on the internet. He's like, Oh,
Starting point is 01:40:46 what's that again? And the guy would be like, it's the movie. The last movie you did. He's like, I love movies. And he just buries his head back in the Coke. But then later he's,
Starting point is 01:40:56 when he's coming down, he's sad. Yeah. He's sad. I don't think that guy's ever coming down. He's always, he's always on the way up. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:02 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like this podcast. Never gonna, never gonna stop. Run this wave on the way up yeah like this podcast never gonna never gonna stop ride this wave
Starting point is 01:41:07 all the way what were we talking about oh yeah 8 for late no I can't it's at January here I think yeah
Starting point is 01:41:14 well The Revenant you mentioned The Revenant looking forward to The Revenant is that out now I don't know god we're bad at this we are aren't we
Starting point is 01:41:20 yeah look we never claim not to be that's true you know what I purchased The Nick on DVD. So much of The Nick. It's got Clive Owen in it, and it's sort of set in a hospital. Oh, it's the medicine-y one.
Starting point is 01:41:33 It's the medicine-y one, yeah. In the past, yeah. I'm told it's super gory. Good. And it's sort of at the beginnings of surgery. So, sawing a man's leg off. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, a lot of it's leg off. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:45 So, a lot of it's not going to go well. Yeah. A lot of people have been recommending that as an A-plus show to me. Why is it called The Nick? I think it's called... It's like a hospital. Yeah. Sorry, it's like a jail.
Starting point is 01:41:56 Like, I'm in the bloody Nick. Oh, no, Nick, K-N-I-C-K. Oh, okay. I think it's like... Like Knickerbockers. I was going to say. I think it might be like Knickerbocker Hospital. But I didn't want to seem like an idiot.
Starting point is 01:42:10 But then I remembered, I am an idiot. You can say that. That's fine. Yeah. Okay, hang on. No, I'm going to find out. I'm going to find out. It is from the Knickerbocker Hospital.
Starting point is 01:42:21 Winner. We did it. We did it. Success. All right. Yeah. Anyway, I'm going to watch watch that uh and you're gonna use your coasters you're sad i'm gonna use my sad coasters yeah yeah all right well i got this i'll show you oh it's not for you even though it's in a it's in a package it looks like it would be i'm doing a video this week i won't tell you what it is because i feel like whenever i tell people what i'm do, somebody then makes a version of that before I do it.
Starting point is 01:42:47 But I bought this, Star Wars The Art of the Force Awakens. Oh, yes. For a video I'm doing, which will be out early this week. And there is just some incredible concept art. Is it just going to be a video of you just tearing out a page at a time and throwing it in a burning trash can? Yes, let's do it. That'd be funny.
Starting point is 01:43:00 Yeah, like have a flick through. You know, do you want to have a look now? Sure, on the podcast it's gonna make great content great bloody audio for the listeners there's like some early Luke Skywalker stuff looks good yeah okay great it's a pretty sweet book man yeah so I bought that I'm pretty happy with it I don't normally buy books because as we know books are nerds but no but that's got a lot of pictures so it's okay it. It's okay. It's fine. All right. What are we doing now? I think it's a very exciting time.
Starting point is 01:43:27 It is a very exciting time. Yeah. I'll tell you why. Tell you why, James. Mm-hmm. Because, because, hang on. I'm listening. Yeah, but hang on.
Starting point is 01:43:36 You're saying because. Yeah, because, look, because it's time for a segment that we love. The segment. The classic one was. Letters, oh letters, we love. The segment... The classic one was Letters, oh letters We love you Some letters They're only A day away
Starting point is 01:43:50 I know they're here right now We're gonna do letters. That's... It's time for our letters theme. New letters theme. It's the letters segment. And that is our new definitive letters theme.
Starting point is 01:44:01 We got a lot of good ones. Because as we know, you, James... That's me. You refuse to edit in a letters theme for this got a lot of good ones. Because as we know, you, James. That's me. You refuse to edit in a letters theme for this podcast. I refuse. I refuse.
Starting point is 01:44:10 It's a lot of work. So much work. So I asked the listeners to record a definitive letters theme. What they feel represents the weekly planet. That's right. And send it to me and I was going to pick a winner.
Starting point is 01:44:23 And you'd have? And I have. I just bloody did it. I just did it, mate. So our winner is the very delightfully named RKM424. Very good. He's the winner. He's bloody done it.
Starting point is 01:44:36 Or she. Who's to say? And look, we'll get in touch with you and we'll send you a Weekly Planet T-shirt. Or you get in touch with us. Whichever is easier for us. Absolutely. Thank you. There's so many good letters.
Starting point is 01:44:51 I'm glad that was on you and not on me. Because I would have just been like, we'll just play five. Sure. Like every week. But if you do want to listen, because they're actually all very good. If you just go to YouTube
Starting point is 01:45:03 and type in Weekly Planet letters theme, all the newest ones, all very good. Yeah. If you just go to YouTube and type in Weekly Planet Letters Theme, all the newest ones are all very good. There's a great choir one. Yep. There's just so many good ones, man. Yeah. So anyway, I'm going to be playing that through my phone for the rest of our lives.
Starting point is 01:45:18 Correct. Make sure you remember your phone every week, Ben. Okay, fine. Good, good. All right, so this is a tweet. Also, if you hashtag Weekly Planet Pod on Twitter, tweet it to us, we'll find it, and then maybe we'll answer some questions. Or email at WeeklyPlanetPod at gmail.
Starting point is 01:45:32 Or respond to some statements. You might have a statement. You might have a fan theory. A lot of fan theories about Star Wars this week. I've actually got a letter about it. Oh, okay, sure. Is this going to have spoilers in it? We might put a spoiler tag.
Starting point is 01:45:45 Okay, sure. So this is from McFazza, Aaron at McFazza. Does Wikipedia Brown use still Chili's genes in the vegetable crisper? Oh, that was from today. Yes. Yes. We must have talked about it on the show. We have.
Starting point is 01:46:01 What, you think he guessed that? Maybe. Our listeners are very perceptive. They tell how fresh you are i'm a i'm a cold jeans guy it's true you are did i do that at work one time you you recommended it you said like i think it was whatever it was last summer when i was like it's so hot and you were like not this guy that's right yeah the crisper look i haven't done it this summer so far but i definitely thought about it interesting but you'll be about it. Interesting. But you'll be bringing it back, won't you?
Starting point is 01:46:27 Yeah, you know I will. It's a favourite of yours. I haven't done it yet because I keep food in my fridge. Sure. It's all right. The coldness will kill the incredible amounts of bacteria. Oh, that's fine. Good, good.
Starting point is 01:46:39 I mean, it won't really. It'll just cause them to hibernate. And come back stronger. Yeah. Like a Josh Trank time capsule. Oh boy. This is from at nolife underscore
Starting point is 01:46:48 for life. Sure. Very good. Who would you cast Tom Cruise in the DCEU as? Hal Jordan? Maxwell Lord?
Starting point is 01:46:55 Anyone else? Hashtag? I was immediate. My immediate thought was Maxwell Lord. Oh really? Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:47:00 Because he's charming and confident with an underlying evil. He's got a robot underneath. He does. Could you see him as a Lex Luthor? He'd look weird. No, I don't.
Starting point is 01:47:15 I don't buy him as Lex Luthor. I don't see the... For me, comic book and cartoon Lex Luthor has this underlying rage. That's Superman. He's got a... Superman is just enraging him constantly. Yes. I don't see...
Starting point is 01:47:32 Can you see... Tom Cruise has an underlying insanity. It's different. Yeah, but it's not... Exactly, it's not rage. It's a... But I can see... Like Maxwell Lord, I feel, has this kind of...
Starting point is 01:47:41 He's got this charming superiority complex. Yep. That totally works for him. Sure. Yeah. I think if you go back to say like 80s Tom Cruise. Yep. He would have been a good Nightwing.
Starting point is 01:47:51 Yeah. Okay. Great. And he can do the hair. Definitely. He can do any version. He can do any version of Nightwing hair. So good.
Starting point is 01:47:59 Yeah. I could see him as Hal Jordan though. I could see that. It wouldn't be my first choice, but if they did it, I'd be like, yeah, fine, whatever. Sure. But then can you imagine all the fan theories of like, maybe Mavericks. God, no. I take that back.
Starting point is 01:48:16 They're the same universe. What if, because Mavericks is a pilot and Hal Jordan's a pilot. No, I immediately retract that. Yeah, that's right. Yep, I'm all for Maxwell Lord or Nightwing. Yeah. Both of those things. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:48:28 This is from at Professor underscore Jamie. Do you think he's a real professor? Do you think he's a real Jamie? Oh, these are... Oliver. These are all really good questions. Famous chef, Jamie Oliver. Spoiler alert for Star Wars.
Starting point is 01:48:42 Okay, right. From here. Is this the last letter? No. Okay. Maybe we should make it the last letter and then people can just trail and Okay, right. From here. Is this the last letter? No. Okay. Maybe we should make it the last letter, and then people can just trail and not come back. Good point. Okay?
Starting point is 01:48:50 Yes. This is a letter. We'll come back to this one. Just a letter. This is a letter. It's from Luke. The penultimate letter? Yes.
Starting point is 01:48:56 Okay. Hey, Nick and James. My name's Luke, and I'm 15. Have you seen the Star Wars Holiday Special? If so, you should talk about it or something. If you haven't, don't. Also, George Lucas, where's our Star Wars Holiday Special? Special edition.
Starting point is 01:49:07 Yeah. Have you seen it? I've never actually seen it. Okay, look. We're going to do the prequel commentaries. In the past, I may have said that I've seen it. Yes. I was probably thinking of something else or not listening.
Starting point is 01:49:18 I don't remember whether I've seen it or just watched so many reviews of it that I think I've seen it. Yeah, BuzzFfeed GIFs. Yes, exactly. Look, we got to do the prequel commentaries. We'll do that leading up to Rogue One. We won't do that for a while. We're going to lease up on Star Wars. I liked how you just eased in, hey, we're going to do the prequel commentaries.
Starting point is 01:49:35 We said we would, didn't we? Okay, fine. Because they're prequels to Rogue One. Yeah. It leads in perfectly. Oh, my God. Oh, all right. But then we could do Force Awakens leading up to Episode 8 in May.
Starting point is 01:49:48 And somewhere in there, we've got to do the holiday special. It's on YouTube. That's true. We'll watch it. We'll bloody see if we could. It's, oh, man. From what I've seen, it's not good. But I'd love to sit down and talk about it.
Starting point is 01:50:04 Yeah. Do you want to do that? You don I'd love to sit down and talk about it. Yeah. Do you want to do that? You don't have to. No, I'll do it. I want to see like, was that the 80s? 70s. Okay. 78.
Starting point is 01:50:14 I want to see just 70s Carrie Fisher just struggling through it. It's going to be great. Yeah, no, I'm totally on board. That's like over a year away though, probably, when we do it. Who knows? It's not going to be for at least six to eight months. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 01:50:29 Star Wars spoilers. Okay. Or do you want to wrap it up? Sorry? Do you want to wrap it up and then do Star Wars spoilers? Oh, yeah, we can do that. Yeah, bonus content. So then people just disappear into the night.
Starting point is 01:50:39 Okay. Where can people find us? Very good. This has been so Christmassy this episode in what sense we've said Christmas a few times
Starting point is 01:50:51 up top we're stuck in a room with people we don't want to be with yes very good thank you you can find us
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Starting point is 01:51:06 I'm at MrSundayMovies. I'll say that again. I'm at Wikipedia Brown on Twitter. I'm at MrSundayMovies. Also, hashtag WeeklyPlanetPod on Twitter. Or follow The Weekly Planet on Twitter. He's the best part of The Weekly Planet in many ways.
Starting point is 01:51:17 That's true. And there's a Reddit thread which I do visit but I never contribute to which I feel like I should. But I enjoy it. Thank you to the Brute and the Basilisk
Starting point is 01:51:26 and RKM424 for the themes I'm not saying that every week no tell us what your name is tell us your actual name or just a variation just whatever you want to be called
Starting point is 01:51:35 it's not that yeah I'm going to call him Rackham Rackham Rackham Rackham that's why Quentin Tarantino screams to his assistant
Starting point is 01:51:43 Rackham oh yeahack him. That's why Quentin Tarantino screams to his assistant. Rack him. Oh, yeah. What else? Oh, Bandcamp. We've been playing a pod. Bandcamp.com. Done all the Star Wars ones. Patreon.com slash MrSundayMovies.
Starting point is 01:51:53 For Star Wars commentaries, either of those things. That's everything. Yeah. People are saying, can you do a Man of Steel commentary? We will. Before Batman and Superman. We definitely will. All right.
Starting point is 01:52:01 That's it, I think. Star Wars spoilers. Oh, yeah. All Star Wars spoilers from now on. Sure. I'm not going to put... Oh, people who don't want to hear Star Wars spoilers, grab that gem, you guys. All right. That's it, I think. Star Wars spoilers. Oh, yeah. This is all Star Wars spoilers from now on. Sure. Oh, people who don't want to hear Star Wars spoilers, grab that gem, you guys. Please do. Bloody grab it.
Starting point is 01:52:14 Classic catchphrase. I can't wait to see it on a t-shirt. Okay. All Star Wars spoilers. Okay, the question is from Professor underscore Jamie. Are you a real professor or Jamie question
Starting point is 01:52:26 have you both got an idea as to who's raised parents are mm-hmm the run the the the front runner is apparently
Starting point is 01:52:34 Kenobi I don't think that's the front runner isn't it isn't it really okay I made a video on it well that's the loudest that's the loudest
Starting point is 01:52:41 voice I feel I feel like I contributed to that great yes nice no that's your i think no it's not mine people other people have said okay right i feel like the front runner is luke skywalker it's too obvious though right is it too saying just straight up his daughter yeah yeah no i uh no it's too obvious it's too obvious and when did he find the time? Why did he? Because he went and he trained a new Jedi Order. Yep.
Starting point is 01:53:09 It didn't work out. He left the system. Yeah. Why did he get rid of her as a small child? He wouldn't have gone, oh, my daughter, I don't have time to- I mean, to keep her safe, I guess. Right, but he wouldn't be like, I don't have time to i mean to keep her safe i guess right but he wouldn't be like i'm i don't have time to look after you because i'm doing this new jedi order i'll leave you on a desert planet with strangers he'd leave her with han and leia right well maybe they yeah
Starting point is 01:53:36 that's true maybe he left her with max von seidel's character oh he like he obi-wan kenobi sure maybe look i know it's a theory that she is just a being of light. Like she's a being of force energy. No, we had that. It's balls. Anakin was that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think they'll do that again.
Starting point is 01:53:52 No, they won't do it again. No. Look, there's a chance that she's nobody. Yep. I don't think that's the case. I think she's obviously... Whoever her parents are, they're probably Jedi. Or one of them is at least.
Starting point is 01:54:04 Okay. There's also a theory that maybe Luke had a kid. She's Luke's kid with Obi-Wan Kenobi's daughter. Okay. When did Obi-Wan Kenobi have time to have a daughter? Okay, here's the thing. When he's monkeying around. Is it because he's a terrible Jedi?
Starting point is 01:54:17 Yes. Because ultimately he was, that's the reason Anakin went back. He's one of the reasons Anakin went back. He is. Because he's a terrible Jedi. Yeah, but Qui-Gon put that on him. Yeah. Qui-Gon is the worst Anakin went back. He's one of the reasons Anakin went back. He is. Because he's a terrible Jedi. Yeah, but Qui-Gon put that on him. Yeah. Qui-Gon is the worst Jedi.
Starting point is 01:54:28 Yeah. Look, Obi-Wan Kenobi's sort of had a relationship with a Mandalorian woman in the Clone Wars TV series. Okay. Also, and I should have put this video, my video, and I wish I didn't because people keep trying to throw it in my face. Jedis aren't supposed to have children. Yep. Right? Or love or whatever but he
Starting point is 01:54:45 very clearly says at the start of the new hope looks like he said looks he says to luke i used to be a jedi knight like your father i used to be a jedi yeah right all that shit's gone maybe part of him blending in or whatever maybe he met a local woman and then they had a daughter or son who then had ray okay yeah i didn't also people think that i said that she's his daughter she couldn't be his daughter it doesn't line up because she was born about 10 years after return of the jedi and he died three years before sure yeah whatever you know so i think there's a very good chance it could be also ray kenobi that works right that sounds right yeah don't you think that but so does ray solo so you think what about yeah what about that well that's that's been my yeah theory from day one day dot yeah day dot but again my initial
Starting point is 01:55:37 theory was that he was her daughter with leia yep he was like, I've got to protect her forever. And she's like, I don't want to do that. Yeah. And she went off on her own. But we know, obviously, that's not the case now. She was left on Jakku by mystery people. Yep. I think she is Han Solo's daughter with another woman who isn't Leia.
Starting point is 01:55:59 Oh, okay. And she is... Haven't we had this conversation? Maybe. Okay. Maybe not speculation. Yeah. Or maybe we did it last week.
Starting point is 01:56:06 And yeah, so whoever... Maybe he met her... I don't know. At the Jedi Academy? Sure. And yeah, and then... Maybe he doesn't even know that she was pregnant with a kid. And he's taken off to do his assorted stuff.
Starting point is 01:56:26 He's sort of soloing. Yeah, he's soloing. I feel like there's also... And the other woman is Force-sensitive. Yeah, yeah. Or a Jedi, who's to say? Whatever, either, both, neither. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:56:35 A lot of people have been like, Han's Force-sensitive too. Look, I said that once. Okay, right. That's on me. But is that canon now, or is that... No, he never has been, and he won't be, because that would ruin everything yeah that was okay what about this he disappeared han left leia for a great period of time it's after midnight i'm incredibly woozy i should let
Starting point is 01:56:54 everybody know if these theories start to make no sense yes okay so han has that he left because of the adam driver went bad whatever right also it says in the book, in the novelization, which I've been reading slash listening to, Snoke, who's the bad guy, was watching Ben Solo for a long time. Okay. What if they had another kid that he doesn't know about with Leia because he buggered off somewhere and she hid him? She hid her on a planet to stop Snoke from... So you're saying Han disappeared yes or she had it in had her in secret so he disappeared for at least nine months
Starting point is 01:57:33 yeah well he's the kind of guy that would yeah okay yeah I'm saying this is a theory I still think at this point I still think she's Kenobi's granddaughter. But if she wants to protect her daughter from Snoke, then that's the way to do it. That being said, I feel like they had a weird... Kylo Ren and her had a weird sexual chemistry. So they can't be related. Yeah, but then again, there's precedent, isn't there? So yeah, there's definitely a connection there.
Starting point is 01:58:01 The connection could be that they're related, they're cousins or brother and sister, or it could be if she's a Kenobi and she's a Skywalker, they have history together. Anakin and Obi-Wan, obviously. Yeah. Luke and Obi-Wan and then her. I don't buy the theory that she's Leia's daughter
Starting point is 01:58:17 only because if she had that daughter, there would be no safer place than Resistance headquarters. Yeah, but Ben Solo was there, you know what i mean yeah and he went bad i mean he went off with luke or whatever okay killed all those jedi and probably kids yeah in the spirit of his grandfather look yeah so what do you think best what do you think it would be if you had to say right now i'm saying it's hans kid all right yeah i'm gonna say kenobi but you know as more information comes to light we will people will tweet it at us that's right even if we say please don't yes also there's a theory that um people kept tweeting us this week about ben solo it's
Starting point is 01:58:58 weird i don't even i don't know these names well enough they're not in my brain um he he's trying to bring balance to the force by he's going to kill Snoke. And so he's a double agent. Right. And he's doing all this to get Snoke's confidence. Did you read that article that came out this week? Yes. That's the one I'm talking about.
Starting point is 01:59:15 Am I? Are we talking about different articles? No, I'm talking about there's an article. It was basically George Lucas nearly wrote the perfect set of prequels. Oh, no, I did read that. Yeah, yeah. But he didn't.
Starting point is 01:59:24 And that's actually quite a good article. But he didn't. That'll be all in your tweets, in your Twitters.els. Oh, no, I did read that. Yeah, yeah. But he didn't. And that's actually quite a good article. But he didn't. That'll be all in your tweets, in your Twitters. Yeah, yeah, no, I have. You'll be able to find that very easily in listeners. And it's basically about how it could have been a story about how there's more shades of grey in the Star Wars universe than you'd think.
Starting point is 01:59:40 Yes. And that the Jedi Council are like this very dogmatic organisation. Yeah. They're like, no love, no anything like that. Nothing fun. Nothing fun, exactly. Be a boring dickhead. Yeah, and the Sith are like, hey, do whatever you want. Just be cool or whatever.
Starting point is 01:59:56 And that Anakin was supposed to bring balance to the Force by sort of being in between those two. Yes. And then the Jedi Council, headed by Mace Windu, basically... The most boring person in the universe. Exactly. Said, you have to choose,
Starting point is 02:00:11 and in doing so pushed him to the dark side. Right. And in that way it would have been... More interesting. More interesting, yeah. Yeah, definitely. Other than, I guess I'll just do this because my wife's having a baby or whatever.
Starting point is 02:00:22 Yeah, exactly. Anyway, it's a good article. And when they invariably reboot the prequels, they might go in that direction. Very possible. Very possible, Mason. All right, that's really the show for this week. Really the end.
Starting point is 02:00:36 No episode next week. It's taking a week off. Yeah. I don't know, man. Unless something real fun happens. Probably not. Unless we do a pool party episode. We could do a clip show, I guess,
Starting point is 02:00:49 but then I have to put together a clip show. It defeats the purpose of a week off. Doesn't it, though? That being said, didn't somebody put that together once? There's a super cut, I think. Yeah. But it's not an hour long. I mean, if people want to...
Starting point is 02:01:00 How about this? If people want to start a Reddit thread and put it together, I'll put it up. Okay, so... I'm not making it, is what I'm saying. Sure, if you want to... Oh, so you won't... You'll edit it together?
Starting point is 02:01:15 No. Oh, you won't? I'll take it a week off. Oh, sure. Okay, then. Great. You know what? If you've got some of your favourite moments,
Starting point is 02:01:22 I would certainly like to hear them because I cannot remember anything that happened on this show. Just give us the episode number and the time code and a little description of what it is. And maybe someone will put it together. Yeah. And maybe there'll be an episode next week. Maybe.
Starting point is 02:01:34 Probably not. Great. Anyway, looking forward to the pool party episode. Grab that gem, everybody. Grab that life preserver. Yes. Because we're at the pool party. Very good.
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