The Weekly Planet - 134 Captain America: Civil War is...
Episode Date: May 9, 2016It’s finally, here Captain America: Civil War has been released the world over! We get stuck into the spoiler free and spoiler heavy side of the film including new characters, story, action sequence...s and the future of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.We also talk the new look Power Rangers, Ben Affleck joining Justice League as a producer and his rumoured anger at the reception of Batman V Superman, Tom Cruises Mummy reboot, the new Han Solo and the Black Widow solo movie.Thanks for listening everyone! If you want to contact the show just use the #weeklyplanetpod and we’ll bloody find it! We always do. But sometimes we don’t.1:13 First look at the new Power Rangers5:39 Ben Affleck to produce Justice League & unhappy with BVS8:22 Batman solo movie rumours10:17 Tom Cruise The Mummy Reboot news15:21 The New Han Solo Alden Ehrenreich19:08 Adam McKay directing Irredeemable22:10 Black Widow solo film28:34 Captain America: Civil War Spoiler Free56:55 Captain America: Civil War Spoilers till the end1:31:15 What We Reading/What We Gonna Read136:15 Letters It’s Time For LettersBuy Captain America movies on Amazon: https://amzn.to/2oQConrPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesMr Sunday Movies YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/lB90W2The Weekly Planet YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHFind our T-Shirts here: https://goo.gl/q6gE9C Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Welcome back everybody to another episode of The Weekly Planet
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My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday
With me as always is my co-host Nick Mason
Should point out I'm pretty tired
I actually drove past my street
On the way here, yeah
We went out for some fancy fast food
And then when we were driving past you went Oh, I've driven past my street by like a k by a really long long yeah that's okay though
it's fine this is gonna be the best show this is gonna be the best show look we'll breeze through
this bloody intro we'll breeze through the news so we can just bloody talk about how good civil
war is then we can spoiler alert how good it is. And then we'll just get back to our regular lives of just watching Civil War over and over again.
Correct.
Yeah, good.
Let's get into something you may not be as enthused about.
Okay.
The Power Rangers costumes.
New Power Rangers costumes.
For the Power Rangers movie.
I don't mind them.
You don't mind them?
I think they're all right.
Yeah.
So people are kind of, I don't know what the reaction is.
It's kind of a weird mix of like.
Some people are upset.
Some people are upset. Because they don't look like. reaction is. It's kind of a weird mix of like... Some people are upset. Some people are upset.
Because they don't look like...
The traditional Power Rangers.
Yes.
Or that they look too much like Iron Man kind of Power Rangers.
I can't use these headphones.
These are garbage.
Okay.
I'm switching back.
Which I did with my Apple ones.
I was talking about you before the show, how they changed them so they ergonomically fit
any ear.
Well, guess what?
They don't fucking fit mine.
Whoa.
Tell us how you really feel about your headphones, eh?
Anyway, sorry, Power Rangers.
They also look very much like,
what's the name of the other guy?
Not Ivan Ooze, not Rita Repulsa.
What was the other guy?
He had the exposed brain.
Zed, Zed, Zed.
Zed, yeah, they look like that.
They do.
That's actually a really good point.
But apparently these are kind of like, they do look kind of Iron Man-ish, which makes sense.
Well, they've got the giant repulsor in the chest.
But I think they're supposed to be like a liquid metal kind of thing.
Oh, okay.
Like they sort of slime out all over your body, probably from the repulsor thingamajiggy.
Do you think it's weird?
Do you think we can...
I'm just looking at some Power Rangers costumes and next to them is one of the older ones
and it's just a spandex.
You can see everything.
Yeah, definitely.
What was I going to say?
Do you know the mouths didn't used to move?
Do you think they're still not going to move?
Oh, that's a good question.
Because it's still that silvery mouth, right?
It looks like they've been chroming.
Yeah.
I think they're going to have to move, right?
I think we've gone beyond... because they're making this some scratch.
They're not just re-dubbing some old kids' TV shows.
That's true.
Yeah, because that was the reason why I guess they originally did it.
And I guess if they're liquid metal suits.
They should move.
You've just got a bloody metal just in your mouth.
Yeah.
Maybe that's where the suit spawns from. Out your mouth and over your face, down your body.
You have to have a really rough night on the booze and then you're like, guys, we've got
to save the city from the monsters.
Okay, let's get on the tequilas.
Two to three hours later.
I got you going, Power Rangers.
Oh, God.
You couldn't throw up in your helmet then.
Let's beat this monster, then we'll get some kebabs.
Oh, God.
People have said that the female costumes are too sexualized,
in particular the breasts, because they're quite, you know.
Look at this, they're pretty out there.
I wonder, though, they're not going to do this.
Do you remember in the original Power Rangers series,
the Asian Power Ranger was the yellow one and the black one was black.
Yeah.
Do you think they're going to do that?
And the blue Power Ranger was really depressed all the time.
Yeah, that's right.
Red Power Ranger was a communist.
What have we got left?
Pink was a girl.
That was literally what it was.
Do you think we're going to see that again?
Surely not.
Surely yes.
You reckon?
Oh, man.
Because I think you're damned if you do or you're damned if you don't.
Right, exactly.
Because you're changing the original formula or people are like, you're a racist.
Yeah, because if you change the original formula, it'd be like, interesting they've changed it considering in the TV show.
Yes.
I don't know.
Why has Power Rangers opened up such a can of worms?
This used to be such a nothing thing, right?
Yeah, you're right.
I want to see them forming up the costumes.
You need to see it in motion.
I want to see them vomiting up their costumes.
Yeah, that's right.
That's what I want.
Getting in a Zord, bloody knocking down a cardboard building.
Yeah.
Let's do it.
Did the Power Rangers have like, Because they had the big Zords.
Yeah.
Did they have like a classic weapon?
Like a signature weapon?
The Zords or individually?
The Zord.
Yeah, the Zord had a sword.
A Zord sword.
Yeah, okay, good.
And it also had some other...
They called it a Zord.
Yeah.
Very confusing.
Get in a Zord and then form a Zord.
And I think it had like other stuff.
Okay.
But I get it confused with Voltron.
Because Voltron had a blazing sword.
Yeah.
And like a shield.
And could this car.
And vehicle Voltron had the propeller thing.
And also a sword.
A sword probably.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Who knows?
But I think also individually they had weapons as well.
But some of them did, but some of them didn't.
Huh.
Like the Green Ranger had like a special sword.
Yeah.
The flutes.
Yeah.
There we go. Yeah. I think the Red Ranger. had like a special sword yeah there we go yeah i think the
red range i don't know what are we what are we doing what are we doing with our lives let's talk
about someone else who's been apparently somebody sent us a really good primer on the power rangers
please yeah i was gonna say some uh someone else who's kind of thinking about what they do with
their life is ben affleck oh yes. There's been a lot of DC rumors.
And so apparently he's going to produce the Zack Snyder Justice League movie.
That's pretty much all but confirmed.
Is anybody going to confirm what a producer does?
Because I'm still not sure.
I think it depends on like the producer.
Uh-huh.
Yeah. Or I don't know.
Because some of them, sometimes it's just a writer with a bigger title.
And sometimes they're in charge of purchasing decisions
and sometimes they're have story control they're one of the actors or whatever yeah sometimes it's
just an actor who's like i'd like to be a producer as well i'm mel gibson if i'm gonna do payback
i want some payback for myself yeah is what he said give me a little more of that passion of the
christ i'm a racist yeah yeah so give me some more of that jews run the media he's doing the money
give me the money that's right symbol so yeah but another rumor is that he's been incredibly unhappy
with the the reception that batman superman got this is a rumor uh he felt humiliated after
spending so much time on the press tour saying how it would be a better film than daredevil and critically it didn't actually fare as well oh but you can't compare those two
movies because daredevil was a very early super superhero movie coming off the back of like
spider-man in 2003 that's true and with his weird leather x-men costume yeah and you know this is
like a modern day batman like this maybe you can compare the two though, because we've had a long time to perfect that formula.
Okay, which is better.
I'd say, see, but we have to,
see, I feel what I'm doing here
is I'm building in superhero movie inflation.
Right, yes.
Because.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm talking about.
Batman is, Batman v Superman is better,
but it's not as much, it's not better.
Like it's not exponentially better, which it should be. It's better, but it's not better. It's not as much. It's not better. Like, it's not exponentially better, which it should be.
It's better, but it's not better.
It's not as much.
Given that it's been, what, when did Dead Ever come out?
2003.
Okay, so given that it's been 13 years,
it should be 13 years better, but it's not.
It's like three years better.
It's like...
It's Fantastic Four 2.
Yeah, it's better in 2006 superhero dollars.
You know what I mean? Okay. None of this metaphor makes any sense. No, no, I get what you're 2. Yeah, it's better in 2006 superhero dollars. You know what I mean?
None of this metaphor makes any sense.
No, no.
I hear what you're saying.
Yeah.
So it said that, and because he's kind of unhappy about it
and DC kind of want to, you know, placate him.
Does that word apply?
Sure.
Yeah.
They're going to kind of edge out Snyder
and put him into the central position.
Yeah.
Which I think you'd prefer.
I'd definitely prefer that.
And I would also prefer. Consensus reached. Yeah. Everyone'd prefer i definitely prefer that and i would also prefer
consensus reached yeah everyone in the world would prefer that 100 of people surveyed would prefer
that i think that's probably true i think even people who liked batman v superman would like
ben affleck to have a bigger part in the universe yeah but also uh with this batman movie there's a
couple things came out i think they mentioned this a few weeks ago, but they're apparently not going to do Red Hood
because it's very similar to Winter Soldier.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, without getting into the specifics,
but it's a sidekick who is evil, then not evil.
That is actually the specifics.
That's very specific, isn't it?
I got into that, didn't I?
Which of Batman's sidekicks do you think is evil?
I don't know.
Alfred?
It could have been Alfred.
Maybe it's Harold,
the weird...
The weird Shannon man.
The weird hunchback man.
Yeah, and apparently
it's going to feature
a multitude of Batman villains.
Now, if they were like,
there's three villains,
I'd be like,
ugh.
Too many villains.
But if they're like eight,
I'm like, yeah.
Just have like a little,
maybe have an opening sequence with bloody Bane or Catwoman or whatever
and then it rolls into something else and I don't know.
Yeah.
Just have a few.
Egghead.
Egghead.
Eggfu.
King Tut.
Yes.
Clock King.
Clock King.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pretty good in the animated show.
It's pretty good.
Exactly.
That's right.
The poor man's the j Joker, the trickster.
Kite man.
Crazy Quilt.
Is he a DC guy?
Yeah, he is, yeah.
There you go.
Any of those would be great.
Yeah.
What if just the opening sequence is him just pulping a series of D-list villains?
I would love that.
Yeah.
Well, that's how the new 52 opens.
The first issue is, well, they're not D-list, but he's in Arkham and he's just
like wiping the floor with like his rogues gallery.
It's great.
Great.
Yeah.
So something like that would be terrific.
There is the, you do run the risk.
Has DC been rebirthed yet?
Not yet.
No.
Is that in like June?
I don't know when.
But you can pre-order the comics right now, Mason.
I'm not going to do that.
Right now.
Get on your phone.
No, I'm not going to do that.
Get that app open. Absolutely not. Get as many as you want. I will get Mason. I'm not going to do that. Right now. Get on your phone. No, I'm not going to do that. Get that app open.
Absolutely not.
Get as many as you want.
I will get zero.
I'll choose to get zero.
Are you going to wait to see what's good?
Yeah.
Yeah, okay, fair enough.
Yeah.
Let's talk about other properties that aren't interesting to us.
Okay, good.
Dr. Jekyll in the Tom Cruise's The Mummy reboot
will be played by Russell Crowe.
Now, I know he can do one side of that personality.
Let's see if his acting's good enough to do the other.
Dr. Jekyll.
Yes.
So, yeah, they're pushing hard for this, aren't they?
Yeah, okay.
You've got your Tom Cruise and Russell Crowe on the wall.
Do you think Russell Crowe would sign on to this?
Yes, I do.
No, I mean, he would sign on to this,
but I mean, do you think he'd sign on
if it's the kind of Mr. Hyde that is like larger
and is like a CGI kind of monster character?
No, definitely not.
No, exactly.
Do you think he'll want in?
Do you think he'd sign on
if there's any kind of physical change at all?
I think maybe they'd part his hair differently.
And even then, you'd have to kind of pin him down.
Get some of his rugby mates to pin him down.
Right, exactly, yeah.
Yeah, no, maybe some mutton chops.
No, but it's modern day.
Right, okay.
So maybe it's going to be like G called the show.
Ugh, the worst.
No, but I mean like...
I know what you mean, yeah.
Is he going to physically transform even a little bit
or is it just going to be like glint in his eye or something like that?
What do you think?
Do you think this is just another...
Do you think they're like, okay, Russell Crowe,
this is going to be another chance to show the power of acting
from you, Russell Crowe, the greatest actor in the world?
It could possibly be.
I think that's going to be it.
I think he's going to do...
I think they're going to go with this character.
You're going to look exactly the same. You're going to look exactly the same.
You're going to have to differentiate these characters
through the power of acting.
Absolutely.
And I think he's going to be like, yes.
That's very similar to what they were going to do
with that Robin Hood reboot.
Yes.
In a sense, originally he was going to play
the Sheriff of Nottingham and Robin Hood.
Right.
And I don't know whether they were the same character
or he was just going to wear a series
of different triangular-shaped hats.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I wasn't going to do this, but I'm going to read you the synopsis of the mummy.
Okay.
Reboot.
Okay.
The verse.
Good.
Let's see what you think of it.
Okay.
Thoughts safely entombed in a crypt deep beneath the unforgiving desert, an ancient queen,
Sophie Batola for the Kingsman Secret Service and Star Trek Beyond, whose destiny was unjustly
taken from her, is awakened in our current day, bringing with her malevolence, grown over a millennia, and terrors that defy
human comprehension.
From the sweeping sands of the East, through hidden labyrinths, and the modern
day London, the mummy brings a surprising intensity and balance of wonder and thrills
in an imaginative new take that ushers in the new world of gods and monsters.
And then in all caps, also it's a lady mummy.
Progress.
What do you think of all that?
Fine.
Yep.
Yeah.
Pretty good. We've known it's going to be a lady mummy for a while, right?? Fine. Yep. Yeah. Pretty good.
We've known it's going to be a lady mummy for a while, right?
We have, yeah.
Yeah, okay, cool.
It seems very involved for just a synopsis.
Like, there's this ancient woman, and now she's back,
and it's also the modern day.
God's monsters, Russell Crowe.
She's a lady.
She's a lady mummy.
Oh, whoa, whoa.
She's a lady.
But there's also no mention of, like, Tom Cruise
and what he's doing in it
so he's going to be
will he be a legendary
monster hunter of some kind
I wonder if he's going to
isn't he Van Helsing
might be a Van Helsing
I don't know yeah
who knows
let's not talk about this
let's talk
that's the thing
like is it going to be
is it going to be Van Helsing
they're trying to build
is this another one
where they're trying to build
like a Justice League
or Avengers
that's exactly what this is
right so
is it going to be Van Helsing is going to be on the team or it's going to be the
mummy who's on the team?
Van Helsing.
So the mummy's not going to be on the team.
The mummy's coming back to...
Weren't you listening to that sign?
No, I understand that, but I mean like...
Why are there monsters on the team?
Why are there monsters on the team and regulars on the team?
You know what I mean?
I don't know.
There are no rules anymore.
Bloody Dr. Jekyll can't be on the team with Van Helsing.
Maybe half of him's on the team.
I mean, they can, but then it's just League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
You know how well that turned out.
Really well.
Not well.
Oh, yeah.
Bad, bad well.
Had that car, even though it was like 1892 or whatever.
Do you have anything else to yell about in terms of this franchise?
They will probably get two in and then they'll reboot it.
Yeah, it's not going to get anywhere.
Well, you know what?
Big names behind it, Mason.
That's true.
But then big names get...
Jack shit these days.
I was going to say that, but also...
The movie star is dead.
Yeah, but also big names also, they do one and they're like,
this is going to be the greatest franchise of all time.
We're going to be in 10 of these.
And then somebody gets in the area like, you should do this going to be the greatest franchise of all time. We're going to be in 10 of these. And then somebody gets in there like,
you should do this because it'd be a real great opportunity
to prove you're the greatest actor in the world again,
Russell Crowe.
And then he's like, oh yeah, actually,
I'm going to break my contract and do this other thing.
And then he's out.
That's right.
And then Tom Cruise is like, well,
if Russell Crowe's not in this, I'm out.
Yeah.
And then it's done.
That's right.
Good point.
I think everybody's looking for that Robert Downey Jr.
franchise.
Yeah.
Yeah. Too bad. franchise. Yeah. Yeah.
Too bad.
There's only been two.
There's been that one and there's been Johnny Depp's Captain Jack Sparrow.
What a good one.
What if they teamed up for a road movie?
You mean great.
That's not what I meant.
That sound implied otherwise.
Let's talk about Han Solo casting.
Oh, it's this guy.
He's been casting.
His name's hard to pronounce.
What's his name?
Alden Einreich. We've got to come up with, it's this guy. He's been casting. His name's hard to pronounce. What's his name? You give it a whirl.
Alden Einreich.
Einreich.
We've got to come up
with a nickname for this guy.
Alden.
It's his first name.
Oh, yeah, that's quite easy
to pronounce, actually.
Alden Irons?
Or just Alden?
Yeah, Alden.
Alden?
Alden.
Alden Alder.
Yes, Alden Alder.
Alden Younger.
That's good. Very good, Mason. Thank you Alder. Yes, Alden Alder. Alden Younger. That's good.
Very good, Mason.
Thank you.
We got there, didn't we?
Yeah.
Let's call him the little Han Solo.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, so he's officially been cast, they say, in the role.
Now, the rumor is that in addition to the Han Solo prequel movie he's going to be in,
where you find out about how he found his bloody Millennium Falcon.
How he found his blaster. Yep. How he found his vest. That's right. find out about his how he found his bloody millennium falcon how he found his blaster yeah he found his vest that's right the best story i found his ammo
belts that's right i found his jodpers where'd he get those imperial jodpers from because in the
the expanded universe which is now legends as we know he was an imperial cadet or officer
oh and he got the jodpers he rescued some rookies you know like yeah he was only in it for the
jodpers yeah yeah and then he bailed it. Yeah, he was only in it for the Jodhpurs. Yeah.
Yeah.
And then he bailed.
It's weird that he kept wearing that, though.
Like the pants.
They're probably very well-made Jodhpurs.
Like if you've had a job, right?
Say I've worked at McDonald's prior to my life when I was a teen man.
I didn't keep wearing the pants. For one, there's no pocket, so you don't steal anything when you work there.
Right, okay.
Actually, they make you give them back when you go, actually.
I think it's so you don't rob a bank in them.
Sometimes you see like punk kids and they're wearing the McDonald's belt.
Oh, the belt.
Yeah, that was a thing.
Because it's got the M and it's like one of those quick-release belts that punks wear.
Yeah, yeah.
That everyone used to have, yeah.
They're like, uh...
Look at me.
And sometimes they'll, like, wear it upside down.
Oh, mate.
It's a W.
It's a W, mate.
It's whack?
Yeah, it's whack.
Thank you.
Yeah, there we go.
So, yeah, it's rumoured that he's going to appear
in Rogue One.
The thing is, though,
Rogue One seems like
it takes place very close
to the original Star Wars.
Yes, it does.
Is that too jarring
to be like...
Jar-jarring.
It's like three...
It's not probably
another three months,
but it's close enough
that the Death Star is done
and they steal the plans
and then the plans show up
at the start of A New Hope.
Yeah, that's way too soon.
So...
But that's the rumour
that he's going to be in that. Because he'd be Han Solo looking at that point. He'd be A New Hope. Yeah, that's way too soon. So, but that's the room that he's going to be in that.
Because it'd be Han Solo looking at that point.
It'd be Harrison Ford looking.
Yeah, that's right.
I don't like it.
Don't like it?
Maybe flashback.
Okay.
Maybe.
Flash forward.
Ooh.
Time's a flat circle.
That's right.
Yeah, maybe we see a scene where one of the characters is a kid
and they're on the Millennium Falcon for some reason.
Right, right.
Maybe, what's her face is on it?
Felicity Jones.
Felicity Jones.
But I think the reason this has kind of come out now is because they can't get away with filming his part without that getting out.
Yeah, true.
So I think that he will be in it, this actual guy.
They're going to have to, I don't know, because he doesn't look, he looks enough like him, I guess.
He's got more cheekbone.
He does.
He's got just razor sharp cheekbone.
But you know what?
If, that's a hard role to cast.
And you know what?
If they think they've got it, they probably have.
That's true.
It's probably as good as it could be.
Yeah.
So, whatever, man.
How big do you think that role's going to be?
Because you don't want him to steal focus.
No, I think it'll be very, very small.
He probably, because he didn't, look, he was the kind of guy who did work for anybody.
So maybe he was just in a bar or whatever maybe it's kind of like right at the end somebody has to get a
piece of information right across the borders or whatever and they're like give it to this guy and
then it's Han Solo and everybody's like hooray it's new Han Solo and he's just putting on his
jodhpurs yeah he's putting on his pulling those jodhpurs on and that would make his quick release
putting on his quick release imperial belt and then I guess but he's put it upside down
so it still says I
still an I
still an I
so that means
the Han Solo movie
would have to be a prequel
to Rogue One
yeah
I assume
because I reckon
they're going to leave
enough space
where if it's well received
they'll bang out
another one or whatever
they'll get their money
out of this kid
before they don't
make him Indiana Jones
right
yeah
good stuff this is good news okay we'll see about that did you see They'll get their money out of this kid before they don't make him Indiana Jones. Right. Yeah. Good stuff.
This is good news.
Okay.
We'll see about that.
Did you see the big short for one, Adam McKay?
No, I did not.
Okay, you know Adam McKay, director.
He nearly did Ant-Man.
Yes.
When, what's his name, dropped out?
Edgar Wright.
Anyway, he's going to be directing Irredeemable for 20th Century Fox.
I heard that as a rumour.
That's confirmed now.
I think it is confirmed.
Yeah.
Or it's not confirmed.
So Irredeemable being the story of the Plutonian, who's like a Superman-like character who goes
mad and starts to just destroy everything in the world.
He starts with their version of the Justice League and then it's just flying around the
world.
Just flattening countries.
And then what's left of this...
What's the name of the group?
I can't remember.
It's like the Justice Society or something.
It's not that.
I can look it up while you talk if you want.
Please do.
And so essentially what the remnants of that team
have to sort of find out what happened to him
and find a way to put a stop to it
before he kills everyone in the world.
Yes, that's right.
It's a bit existential, isn't it?
Yeah.
So I don't know
like what what they're going to kind of what they're going to cover from that do you know
what i mean like because and the way it ends it's not like there's a big fight and without
spoiling there's not a big fight in the city and then he's defeated right yeah it's a weird kind
of meta oh it's very metal yeah no i think they could do that yeah that's fine okay and it's i
just don't know whether people will be cool with it. And it is a huge story.
It's like 60 issues or 48 issues or something.
Paradigm.
Paradigm.
Paradigm.
It's Paradigm.
Yes, it is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Betty Noir, Sylar, Carrie, Vault, Cubit.
Yeah.
Kill.
Caden.
Yeah.
Cubit was my favorite character.
What's that?
Cubit.
Which one was it?
You know, the technology powers.
Oh, yeah.
Good stuff.
Yeah, no, it's great. We've talked about this, I don't know, maybe a year or so ago. We did, yeah good stuff yeah no it's great
we've talked about this
I don't know
maybe a year or so ago
we did yeah
we really enjoy it
so there is the sequel
called Incorruptible
which is about a
bad guy going good
yeah
I don't think this is good
no I agree
yeah it's good
yeah
but it's not
it's not as good
yeah
and it's in
because like also
because Iridev
the Plutonian
is an obvious
Superman analog.
Yeah.
But what's his name?
Max Power?
Yeah.
Something like that.
Yeah.
Max Damage?
What's his name?
Something like that.
He gets stronger when he's awake.
Yeah.
The longer he stays awake, the more...
Yeah.
Because there's not really a villain analog who's, you know, who could do that in the...
You know, who could...
It's not like...
He's not Lex Luthor.
No.
Who's gone good. So it's not really... It's not really equaluthor. No, gone good. Who's gone good.
So it's not really, it's not really equal.
It's just like, it's a character.
It's interesting.
Yeah, it's good that he's like a more of a street level character.
Yeah.
And he sort of has to step up and start saving people
when the world is falling to pieces.
But yeah, he doesn't have an exact analog.
And he's one of the only people that can kind of go toe to toe
with the, what's his name?
The Plutonian.
Plutonian, yeah.
But he kind of doesn't.
Right, yeah.
Yeah, without kind of.
But yeah, it's a really good series
but again
there's a lot of issues
and it's a lot of
well I was just looking here
there's
37 issues
10 volumes
yeah
so
will they set this up
for a series of films
because it goes off planet
for months
yeah it does
and comes back
and
I don't know
there's all kinds of
there's all kinds of twists and turns
let me tell you.
It's great, though.
I want to see how they do it.
Me too.
Yeah, fantastic.
Before we get into Civil War, Black Widow.
Civil War.
Yep.
Fine, we can do it now if you want.
Nah, it's all right.
Let's keep talking.
Apparently, the Black Widow solo film at Marvel,
they're committing to it.
It's a go.
Kevin Feige said that.
Kevin Feige said it's going to be a great franchise, he said.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
So over the next few years.
Now, by the sounds of things, they're still trying to work it out,
like where to put it into the slate.
Yeah.
This is a smart move.
Well, they turfed in humans, right?
That's right.
Yeah, so now that's back in.
The smart move, because Scarlett Johansson can carry a film.
Yep.
That's been seen in that Lucy movie, which
is apparently terrible, that I haven't seen.
Yeah.
But people went and saw that.
Yeah, that's true.
And she's obviously doing Ghost in the Shell.
So, you know, like her profile's, you know, doing quite well.
Yeah, it's right up there, yeah.
So, and, you know, this is a pretty popular character.
I wonder how they're, is it going to be like a Captain America spy espionage kind of thing?
Is it going to be demons from her past?
Probably.
I don't want it to be dead
see i think we've mined everything we can from demons of her past okay that's fair enough look
i would be happy to have it be it's a spy thriller yeah and we get some occasional flashbacks maybe
maybe it's her versus maybe it's a kind of a spy versus spy situation maybe it's her and somebody
else from the black widow program right yeah and so that might be a bit Winter Soldier-y.
But maybe something like that and then we could have a flashback
to her memories of growing up in the program with this person.
Yeah, absolutely.
Okay.
We did see a bit of that in Agent Carter as well.
Yeah.
That was obviously more in the 30s when that was set.
And there's a little bit in Age of Ultron, but it's not really.
Yeah. But I feel that's enough. I completely agree. little bit of an age of Ultron, but it's not really... Yeah.
But I feel that's enough.
I completely agree.
I don't need to see it either.
I don't want to see a full movie of her
in some sort of weird, sad grandma's house
where she's shooting at a target
and then it turns out to be a man with a bag on his head or whatever.
It's all sad.
Everybody's doing ballerina stuff.
It would be interesting if they did a movie like that
and it was her and the Winter Soldier.
Yeah.
Because they're kind of, there's obviously parallels there.
And they actually, they'd met in the comics, hadn't they?
Like years prior.
I think so, yeah.
They'd worked together.
I don't think you could really work that in because she clearly doesn't know who he is.
So she could have been mind wiped or whatever.
So it's very possible.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyway, I'm all for it whatever should be good and you know what and she's she's one of the she's one of the best parts of um winter soldier as well like that movie should be called captain
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All right, let's talk about Civil War.
Woo!
Now, the American Civil War...
Ah!
Doesn't work as well, does it? Second time.
No. Okay, look, Ah! Doesn't work as well, does it? Second time. No.
Yeah.
Okay, look, it's had a massive week.
It's the weekend opening in the US.
It's apparently going to be the fifth biggest US opening ever.
It's expected to reach 180 million, possibly more.
Seems like a lot.
Good stuff.
Yeah.
I'm not sure how that compares to Batman Superman, because that also had a massive, massive opening
weekend.
So I guess we're just going to have to see
like whether it's got legs
who knows Madison
let's do our best
to avoid
Batman V Superman
yeah
I don't want to
Civil War
I did a video on it
I don't want to get into that
yeah look
if you liked
Batman V Superman
that's fine
if you didn't like
Batman V Superman
that's the correct answer
and it's also fine
but we won't
look
like what you like
let's just talk about Civil War do what won't look no like what you like yeah
let's just talk about civil war do what you want to do be what you want to be anyway the civil war
started in america it's still a good joke yeah so as always we're going to do our non-spoilers
and spoilers yep uh we'll very clearly mark when it's also time stamped so don't worry if you
haven't seen it yet uh don't stress too much as always we'll try to
talk about the movie
as much as we can
without spoiling it
that'll last about
three minutes
and then we'll just
do whatever
then we'll do our
famous segment
do you remember that bit
when this happened
that's right
so Mason
yeah
what do you think
the story was
every time
alright
so
the Avengers
they're all up
doing their avenging, right?
Yeah.
They've been doing heaps of avenging around the globe.
Some of them.
Unfortunately, sometimes that results in buildings falling over.
Yes.
And small nations being flattening people.
Yes.
And all of New York being destroyed.
And some people, specifically 117 countries that in part of the un i'm not happy
about it or general ross yeah general ross he's back isn't the man who made a crazy monster man
yeah he was basically directly responsible for that so he's unhappy about it somebody pointed
this out to me it's because general ross so shows some footage from all the avengers events yeah but
he doesn't show the hulk up Harlem because he caused that.
Yes, that's very true, yeah.
But there were extra spots on the map
that he didn't refer to.
Oh, okay, there you go.
So, you know, because we see in the preview
where Captain America's like, that's enough.
Yeah.
I think if we'd kept it going,
General Ross would have gone, Harlem.
Oh, you know what?
I've actually made a big mistake here.
Let's tear up that.
So anyway, so the UN makes the Sokovia Accords,
which is basically it makes the Avengers no longer a private group
but responsible to the UN.
And so the UN panel determines who is,
will determine when the Avengers are deployed around the world.
That's right.
Because they do tend to just...
Just rock up whenever.
Just roll through like sovereign borders and like just.
Fly into Iraq.
Just fly into no fly zones and just blow things up.
Yeah.
You know.
Yeah.
That's right.
That's okay, isn't it?
It's pretty good, right?
You could just be yourself.
Yeah.
So that seems to be going swimmingly.
So like, hey, maybe we should all sign this.
But then the Winter Soldier shows up and just blows some stuff up,
kills some innocent people.
Or does he?
Twist, who knows?
Twist, who knows?
Anyway, that's how we get into it.
And then from there, your team's divided.
You've got your Iron Man side who's all like,
listen, I've done some pretty bad things.
Remember that time I created Ultron?
Well, I'm not taking any responsibility for that,
but you better take responsibility for things you do in the future.
I remember that time I sold billions of dollars of weapons
of mass destruction to, like, whoever.
I didn't even really pay attention,
but it turned out they went directly to terrorists.
Like, a whole bunch of terrorists.
Like, terrorists in Gulmira.
Different factions.
Terrorists in Afghanistan.
Terrorists, bloody just terrorists in Sokovia got them.
Yeah, yeah.
Just everybody got them.
Anyway, I got out of that because I'm rich.
Maybe you don't do it.
And if you do it, we'll get real mad.
Anyway, I'm going to sign this.
That's right.
Maybe in the future I'll do it again, but I'm rich, so I'll get away with it.
That's right.
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because I'm rich. I'm real to sign this. That's right. Maybe in the future I'll do it again, but I'm rich, so I'll get away with it. That's right. It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter because I'm rich.
I'm real rich.
Yeah.
So, yeah, so obviously there's a division in the, you know, in Camp Avengers.
Yeah.
Isn't there?
All around.
There sure is.
Captain America's obviously against it.
They take the same sides that they do in the comic.
It plays out pretty differently from the comic.
Oh, yeah, that's true.
Yeah, without getting into specifics. But look, let's talk about the comic, if you haven't read it, without getting into specifics.
But look, let's talk about the cast, Mason,
of which the returning Captain America returns.
Yeah.
He's just really good in the role.
I don't have anything to add.
Chris Evans always nails it.
Yes, he does.
He looks the part.
Is he wearing a wig or not?
It depends on the movie.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
It is crazy.
I think he's just got his regular hair in this.
I think I agree.
Look, it's amazing to me
that like
I guess of the two trilogies
we've had so far
Iron Man and Captain America
I would not have predicted
Captain America
would be the superior
like from out of the gate
yeah
I would not have predicted
this one would have been
the superior trilogy
no
I would not have predicted
that people would have been on board
with Captain America
like from the start
because like he came off
not to get political
but he did
like he kicked off just at the end
of the Bush years, the George W. Bush years,
where the rest of the world did not have a lot of goodwill
for America.
And I thought people would have been like, Captain America?
Well, there was.
Marvel were afraid of that.
That's why in some countries it was just called
the first Avenger.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because they're like, what what is captain america going to represent is he going
to be kicking doors in in foreign countries and blowing stuff up no i've ended that already
but they've they've always done a good job from the start of establishing him as a guy
well he says this specifically look i don't like bullies i don't want to kill anyone even though
he does kill a lot of people yeah either directly or indirectly that there's that kill camp video that that um i i put up that ben from canada
sorted out which is doing you know really well people seem to be really enjoying it or really
annoyed by it oh sure it got brought up directly to paul rudd and um chris evans in an interview
oh yes and they they took it pretty well but i could see they just wanted to be like
it's fucking nerds man.
But apparently it played in some cinemas before the movie. Oh, before the movie happened.
Great.
That's pretty awesome.
That is amazing.
Yeah.
Anyway, that's just irrelevant what we were talking about.
Russo Brothers are back?
Yes.
Oh, we're talking about characters though, right?
Well, yeah.
We can talk about Russo Brothers.
What do you want to say specifically?
Look, this has the same...
Because the last one was, you know,
it was an espionage movie with some superhero trappings.
It's still got elements of that.
But it very quickly ramps up.
They've ramped up the action in this,
and I'm very happy about that.
There's two very kind of distinct types of action in this movie,
which I guess we can't really spoil.
Yeah, we'll talk about that later.
But we will... we will uh but
anyway i'm very glad they're back basically yeah that's right are they doing more they're doing
infinity war oh both of them yeah cool they've really i i definitely prefer their movies over
anybody else's movies in the mcu yeah definitely and you know what i think it's i don't really
even though this is a captain the captain america, it's not really, this is an Avengers movie.
Yeah, it is.
It's true.
So, like, it's not like the Dark Knight is a trilogy.
Although, I mean, there's, see, I would maybe disagree.
There's a lot of Avengers in it.
Yes.
But they're not in it the whole movie.
No, that's fair.
Yeah.
That's fair.
It's, there's some Avengers, you know what, there's a lot of Avenging in the middle.
Yep.
But it's a Captain America movie start and finish.
Bookends.
Yeah, it's bookends.
Yeah.
Red, white and blue bookends, mate.
Oh!
Yeah.
What about Iron Man?
I'll tell you this much.
Yes.
It's the most I've enjoyed Tony Stark since Iron Man 1.
Oh, ye...
Maybe not enjoy, but I kind of...
He gets so quippy.
Like, he's just all quips pepper pots dies
and he's like what didn't really die but he thought she was dead yeah he gets a really kind
of age of ultron he's very kind of yappity yap look at me that's true yeah yeah and in that movie
should have been him going what have i done yeah that's like two hours but instead he's just like
you know what i mean yeah no that's true yeah and iron man 2 he's just like, you know what I mean?
Yeah, no, that's true.
Yeah.
And Iron Man 2,
he's just like,
he's just drunk.
And 3, he's a weird mess,
but it's... Yeah, and then he's fine again.
Okay, you're right.
Yeah, this is a good dramatic turn,
I think.
Yeah, it's the turn that he,
that's long overdue.
Yeah, okay, you're right.
Do you 100% believe in it?
Again, being this guy
who's just spent 20 years just doing whatever he wants,
selling weapons of mass destruction and doing whatever,
all of a sudden he's like, you guys.
I don't know if I 100% buy it.
That's fair enough, yeah.
Because he's the last person who should be pushing this.
Yeah, like if there were 74 casualties in New York or whatever it was,
that's a lot less than if...
Than the world exploded.
Than if he just, yeah, if he just, like,
fired his bloody multi-warhead missiles into New York
to get rid of the bad guys, right?
Just flattened it.
And that's the other thing, though.
This, the chords I kind of have a problem with
in this comic book universe.
I know people are very divided on what's like the whole marketing program.
Team Cap, Team Iron Man.
I was going to talk about this later, but where do you fall on that?
Yeah, definitely Team Cap.
See, if it was the regular world,
if there are these people, these lunatics running around in costumes
beating each other up,
you need to obviously have someone in charge of that.
Oh, yeah, sure, yeah.
But in this comic book universe where the president is probably an alien yeah definitely yeah or or a robot well
that's the thing like we know the internal workings of captain america and iron man all those guys so
we know that captain america is only going to do what's right and sometimes there will be civilian
civilian casualties but we know that he will minimize that and he's always on the right path
that's right we know he's you know he's the peak human and he's yeah gonna do his best to never
fail and all this sort of stuff yeah like in the real world we have no way of knowing that no these
superpowered lunatics yeah that's right exactly so from that perspective yeah i can't really
sympathize with iron man who's a massive hypocrite. The other thing is, if everything is sanctioned, there's still going to be casualties.
Oh, yeah, sure.
That's what they say in the, I think it's in the preview, but it is in the movie as well.
Captain America's like, well, this is just shifting blame.
This is just shifting blame to some sort of UN committee.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Captain America's like, well know if there's a casualty
we should be responsible for it because the you know the idea maybe is that if cap leaves the
team and they bring in another recruit that person will be like oh well i can kill somebody
and it won't be my fault yeah like i'll just you know i'll just shake it off and then
the committee will have to write it off or whatever it's me tony stark yeah yeah
that's why he wants it he just passed the buck mate yeah yeah anyway so we should get back to
the cast i guess uh spider-man without going to spoilers tom holland best incarnation live action
uh yeah i think so yeah you you hesitated and that to me says that you're a dc fan boy and a
hater i am both of those things.
Yeah, good.
I mean, I think I'm going to need one more movie to get a title handle on the character.
But yeah, like, because he's not like, the thing about it is, like, when I think Spider-Man,
I think straight to New York, kind of quippy and fun and what have you and he's like in this he's he's kind of taught he's very
talkative and he's kind of motor mouth yeah kind of i don't know too much not really but i think
we this is this character who he's immediately been taken out of his element and put into this
superhero versus superhero world listen we're gonna take take you to Germany to fight a whole bunch of weirdos.
To a strip of runway.
Yeah, so like,
so he's immediately fish out of water
kind of thing.
And I guess we're supposed to look back
at the old Spider-Mans and go,
okay, well, he's like this in New York.
So this is what he'd be like in,
you know, this weird situation
he's been thrown into.
I really liked the actor.
Me too.
Yeah.
You okay with the accent?
Yeah.
Not being from New York, traditionally.
We're not, are we?
No.
It sounded great.
There is a weird clip that they've released online where he sounds very British.
Okay.
But I didn't hear that in the movie, so I think that might be just one of those things
that's only in that they've edited it out for the final thing.
But no, for the first time in a long time, I'm like, yeah,
Spider-Man movie.
I'm interested to see what they do with that.
Yeah.
Now that he's part of the larger Marvel universe,
I'm very excited for that.
And they got this guy for 30 years at least, 40.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, that's right.
He's locked in.
Yep.
And if we're talking about Spider-Man,
we should also talk about Marisa Tomei.
Yes, we should.
As Aunt May.
Whatever.
And next character.
She's really good.
She's actually really good.
Because they also kind of acknowledge the way
that the internet reacted to her being cast.
Right.
Like Robert Downey Jr. is a bit like,
what's all this?
Like, hello?
Yeah.
As far as new characters go, we black panther who i think uh was really
well introduced it's it's the movie sets up to see kind of more a lot of more black panther stuff
i wouldn't say he gets no he gets a fair bit of screen time would you say he gets more than
spider-man yes i wouldn't say his impact is as impactful or memorable because spider-man's like
big and colorful he's or whatever but what he does like you can see like the the fury and the rage and the and you get a sense of
his skills but it's still kind of i'm still a bit confused about what he can do yeah because he's
is his power from magical roots or is it from because he's crazy fast yeah he suits bulletproof
yep like he's like he can leap off really high things I think that's all technology
yeah okay
because
well they're a very advanced nation
we can talk about it later
but
you know we'll talk about it later
just we'll make a note
and by make a note
we'll not do it
and then we'll probably
forget about it
I'm going to write down
make a note
okay good
I'm sorry Black Panther
I'm not really going to write
make a note
because I will look at that
and go like
why did I write that
somebody message in
and tell us why we said
make a note I don't think I want to go through every character in and tell us why we said make a note.
I don't think I want to go through every character individually
because there's so many, but I just want to quickly say,
I think this is the best use of Hawkeye that we've seen.
It was minimal.
He was funny.
There was a lot less of him than there was in Age of Ultron,
which is good.
But what they did use of him was well implemented, I thought.
Yeah.
Like he kind of shows up a bit, you know, just before halfway mark,
does like a little thing.
Yeah.
Has some banter and he's obviously in the big fight.
He has a bit of a, like a one-to-one confrontation with Iron Man
at one point.
That's true, yeah.
Like just face-to-face, which is great.
Yep.
That's kind of how you use.
I think this is, I know Age of Ultron tried to kind of be like,
now this is definitive Hawkeye and look, that's his of how, how you use, I think this is, I know Age of Ultron tried to kind of be like, now this is definitive Hawkeye and look,
that's his family or whatever.
But this is,
I really enjoyed,
I really enjoyed Hawkeye in this for,
for what he was in it.
Yeah.
I agree.
Yeah.
I would,
I'd see,
I'd see him in a solo movie with,
or maybe with maybe a half and half.
Yeah.
Who would you put,
who would you put Hawkeye in with?
I guess it'd be.
Ant-Man.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah. Just, just 90 minutes of... Ant-Man. Yeah, okay. Yeah.
Just 90 minutes of just Ant-Man riding on an arrow.
Just different kinds of arrows.
Different kinds of arrows, yeah.
But you could do like a spy espionage.
Yeah.
I know we had a heist, the Ant-Man heist film.
But yeah, who else would you put him with, I guess?
You put him with Black Widow.
Yeah.
I would like to see them.
Pal about.
Just do a mission.
Do a mission.
Yeah.
A regular mission.
Yeah.
Anyone else you want to talk about in particular?
We should talk about the villain, but probably more in spoilers.
More in spoilers.
Yeah.
Just quickly.
Yeah.
Some people like he's a disappointment.
He's like every Marvel villain.
Did you think he was like that?
No.
Me neither.
Great. All neither. Great.
All right.
Oh, so I just want to say, I liked the Vision.
Initially when I came in, I'm like, God, the Vision's an idiot now, isn't he?
But I think a lot of that stems from, in the first one, he's kind of, he's fresh.
You know, he's new.
He's a babe in the woods.
He's a bloody babe in the woods.
And this one, he's had the time to kind of develop motions and kind of stew on things.
Yeah.
And from that that he's just
he's a little bit confused yeah absolutely and i i and initially i'm like that's bad why would
they do that but it's not actually it shows development of his character and that he's only
like a year old yes exactly really so i i enjoyed the and especially him in the wonder stuff there's
a little bit of stuff that kind of goes on there
which sort of parallels
them in the comic books
yes that's right
funniness
it's a humorous movie
how was the balance
was it too humorous
wasn't it humorous
enough for you
I think it was
just the right amount
of humorous
I don't think at any point
I think they're very good at
the Russo Brothers
I thought you were going
to say in general
but they're not
but they're not all
well balanced with humor
the marvel movies no no no but i think the russo brothers ones are this one especially they they
were very good at spacing out the i don't know they've they're not they're very good at spacing
out the comedy so it doesn't interfere with i think the dramatic moments yes you'll often have
like a they're very good at actually breaking the tension
with a little,
there'll be a very tense moment,
change of scene,
little comedic moment.
Right.
And I think that's good.
I don't think that's,
it's not like there won't be a huge dramatic action sequence
and then somebody's making quips all throughout it,
which I think would throw you out of the.
There is kind of that though.
Is there one?
With Spider-Man.
Oh, yeah.
That suits him
oh yes
no I completely agree
they've definitely got
to me the best balance
a lot of the
Joss Whedon dialogue
I'm like well that sounds
like a very Joss Whedon
thing to say
I don't
I don't feel that
with this
not that his movies
are bad by any stretch
the first Avengers
is amazing
and I do like
a lot of Age of Ultron
but no I think
these guys are really
I don't know
they just kind of
they came out of nowhere
and they really seem to know what they're doing.
It's weird though because they started in comedy.
They did like Arrested Development.
Community as well.
I don't know whether they started there or not,
but they probably did some Will and Grace.
I don't know.
Sure.
We've all directed some episodes of Will and Grace, all right?
But they've made this transition really, really kind of effortlessly.
And if anybody was going to do it,
you'd think that Alan Taylor, who did game of thrones and then thor the dark world would have been the guy to kind of nail
that but that these guys have really i know they know what they're doing and i like that
let's talk about the bloody fight scenes mason okay sure let me adjust my microphone again
because it's falling down again it would be better at this after like several hundred episodes, or however many we've done. Nobody expects that from us.
7,000 episodes, yeah.
That's actually lower.
This is my worst day.
Yeah.
You don't have to agree.
No, it is.
Look, I've only seen some of your days so far,
but it seems like if the rest of the day has been anything like this.
Yeah, fight scenes.
Now, we talked about how it kind of like it starts very winter soldier-esque hand-to-hand yeah a little bit of kind of magic and flying about
yeah and then it just it's 11 and then it's like a nine and i don't mean in terms of that's how
good the fight is i mean in terms of like intensity yeah scale i meant not intensity
because the last fight is pretty intense.
Yeah.
That would be an 11 also.
If it was an intensity scale.
Yeah.
I thought it was a little choppy, the editing at the start.
Right.
A little too fast paced.
I think the Winter Soldier, I still think one of the best fight scenes in any of these
movies, the hand-to-hand stuff, is Captain America and Winter Soldier on the freeway.
And they're knife fighting.
Yeah.
I still think that's head and shoulders above anything,
even the brand of shampoo by the same name.
Huh.
Wow.
Is that an Australian brand?
No, America have that.
Thank God, because otherwise that joke would not have landed
as well as it has.
Yeah, A-plus landing.
No, I don't know.
I really enjoyed the hand to hand
and it wasn't
the hand to hand fighting in this
and in Winter Soldier as well
it's a whole bunch of people
who are really good at fighting
but it doesn't seem like
let's do a fun
let's have them do like a showy
stunt move
kind of thing
maybe it's a case of
there's so many back to back
that you sort of
you get used to it
but it just does
it feels like
it's just a whole bunch
of really well trained
martial arts
which you know
it is
but
just you know
it's all these
special forces operatives
just laying people out
professionally
and spectacularly
I don't know
because they're doing it
every day
yeah they're doing it
every day yeah that being said I didn't mean that to come across doing it every day. Yeah, they're doing it every day.
Yeah, that being said,
I didn't mean that to come across as it's bad.
No, that's all right, yeah.
And maybe it's just because we saw it.
I've seen it once, you've seen it twice now.
But in IMAX, that was like really up close.
And when you're seeing someone hit someone
like up close and it cuts out quickly
and you're wearing the goggles.
Oh, sure, yeah.
And maybe that's just me.
Yeah, it's interesting how it
does open with the like the new the new event avengers that it ends with age of ultron in
and i like that they didn't do a whole lot of let's just have a whole lot of government nick
fury scenes and boardroom meetings which they're not they don't all do that i shouldn't say that
but you know the avengers is like 40 minutes before anything happens that's true yeah not
to crap on that movie because we've never we've never seen them all come together before so you obviously
need that build up but i thought the age of ultron went a little too heavy too soon okay because it
opens with that shot that one shot of you see all the hero shot and then they all and you hate that
shot where they all jump next to the camera yeah so it looks like it looks like that one shot that
once post you know it's like well we shot, that one post, you know,
it's like,
well, we need this for a poster shot
or what have you
and it just,
it looks very odd.
Why are we all leaping
at the same time?
Hawkeye doesn't need to leap.
No.
Just stand on the ground.
Maybe stand up on a rock.
Maybe don't stand in a row
in case someone, like,
fires a tank.
Yeah.
Goes through all of you
at once, yeah.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Yeah, but we can't talk about the airport stuff, can we? So gonna have to say yeah uh special effects oh yeah good right great great obviously there's one bit in particular in
the airport cinema i'm like that looks like tony stark's head is like floating
huh in front of a green screen i don't remember what you're talking about,
but we'll get to it in a second.
It's because you were drunk.
Oh, yeah.
Drunk on swag bag.
Son of a bitch.
Guys, if you didn't listen last week,
I won a swag bag at the premiere.
And I also won a swag bag.
That's not true.
I didn't win a swag bag.
You know where the start before the fight,
it's in all the trailers where they're standing there talking.
There's one scene in particular where it looks like...
A lot of that airport scene is filmed on a green screen
and you don't notice,
except for I think there's that one particular shot.
But, you know, I'm being nitpicky because it looks incredible.
I think they have...
I think, and maybe I'm misremembering,
but I think they've tweaked the Iron Man and War Machine suits
so they look big enough for an actual human being to be inside.
Right.
And I guess you have to do that when you see their head.
Yeah, because in the previous ones,
the Iron Man suit has a 28-inch waist
or something like that.
Oh, right.
For a man who's six feet tall kind of thing,
it would be physically impossible for anybody to be in it
and for it to have any kind of functionality
at all
right right okay
and so in these
they do look a lot
they've got a lot more heft to them
yeah I'd agree with that
maybe it's just me
the wall machine especially
yeah he's bulky
the new look wall machine
is primo
you like it?
yeah it's really good
he's pretty good
he's a good one isn't he
so yeah
there's a de-aging scene
can we talk about that now?
we probably can't
wait
oh yeah
no we'll talk about it later
it's fine
yeah yeah yeah
bloody move that down as well
this is bloody bullshit mate
oh no we can talk about it
it's fine
because it's just
Tony Stark
Tony Stark essentially
goes to MIT
early on in the film
to like
to say hey MIT students
reach for the stars
kind of thing
and he does that by showing
you can murder as many people
as you want I did if you're rich yeah and he but he just essentially he just shows
a tech demo and it's essentially like it's a it's a he he puts into virtual reality a replay of an
old memory he has but it's also slightly fabricated yeah slightly fabricated like old memory he had
of uh going over to his parents' house in like 1991.
It's 1991 Robert Downey Jr.
Yeah.
In the flesh.
That's right.
It's a little shiny.
Yeah.
But I think it's also, well, it's not real, obviously.
So you can kind of, I guess, be.
Yeah, you can.
Do you think we're going to have a de-aging thing in every Marvel movie now?
I hope so.
Yeah, right?
Or an age up, because they did Piggy Carter.
They aged her up in Winter Soldier.
Or C. Rogers, big head on a tiny man's body.
Love a bit of that.
No, but it still looks good.
I still don't think it's perfect.
I think it's good.
Yeah, that's fine, yeah.
But I think it's got a little bit to go.
But he looks like weird science era Robert Downey Jr.
He really does, yeah.
I wonder if somebody showed me that and I didn't know whether I would notice it. I would be fooled. Yeah, yeah. Like it's... I wonder if somebody showed me that and I didn't know whether I would notice it.
I would be fooled.
Yeah, okay.
Even in IMAX, I was kind of...
Someone put millions of dollars towards
recreating a scene from Weird Science
and see if we notice.
Yeah, please do.
Yeah.
Do you think the de-aging guy's like...
Like he's just sitting by the phone every time
you do a Marvel movie and you're like,
oh, please.
Yeah.
Or a Terminator movie. Yeah, like, oh, please, please let it be.
Or a Terminator movie.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, could be a man.
Here's a question for you, though.
Now, these movies apparently... My Facebook is open on my phone and suggested post level up by Loot Crate.
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No, you guys are great.
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I think you mean Loot Crate.
I do mean Loot C looks great you're right now apparently they're not making they're not pushing
as much that these movies you have you don't have to know anything to go in yep that they're not as
concerned about that anymore they take for granted that you know a little bit about these characters
uh did you think somebody going into this as a non-Marvel fan, that would be a problem?
Yes.
Because you did actually say that with a non-Marvel fan, didn't you?
The second time.
Or not non-Marvel, but...
Look, somewhat, somewhat.
Not as big as a bloody nerd as you might.
Yeah, not us.
Not the old nerd patrol here.
No, I think, yeah, like, if you don't know that, say,
I mean, some elements are
sort of explained like that the the mind gem create you know the mind gem is in the vision
yeah and that gem created wanda's powers and etc like that's kind of made clear yeah they well they
say it yeah they literally say it but I mean but they've also established
a relationship
between those two
because like
Vision saved her
in the last one
yeah
etc
I think there's more
enjoyment to be had
in this movie
if you've seen
most of the other
Marvel movies
in particular
Winter Soldier
and Age of Ultron
yeah
I think you
I think you will
you will just enjoy
this movie more because you know you're kind of you're more up to date I think you will you will just enjoy this movie more
because you know
you're kind of
you're more up to date
I don't think you'd be
100% lost
no I don't think so
like if we
we take the opening
you know the opening sequence
the opening action sequence
yeah
I think you get enough pieces
you get enough pieces
even if you had never
watched one of these
you get enough pieces
to know they're a team
yep
you know how they work together
well
well
somewhat
you figure you understand what their
powers are they all get a chance to show everything off i think you'd probably get it okay fair enough
but i mean you wouldn't again you wouldn't be as invested in characters like wander or the vision
yeah unless you'd seen some of the other ones yeah great use of and also there'd be some sorry
i was gonna say just great use of ant-man not true and not the bit that was the bit that we
all talk about but just in general yeah
yeah yeah i think you could definitely go along and enjoy enjoy yourself yeah let me think though
now we'll get back to it later probably not now we're gonna let's we gotta do spoilers right okay
um yeah we should say best movie i'm gonna say best movie ever yeah unsurprisingly you know i
what i thought in plot wise again we were telling it's kind you know it's again it's
a kind of action movie it's espionage movie what i liked is that it went back on a few tropes
there are a lot of tropes of these kind of superhero movies and i think it kind of it
there were some twists and turns and i think there were a couple of twists on the stock
superhero action movie especially towards the end which i quite i enjoyed a lot okay sure
but i thought it was gonna i thought it was going to, I thought it was going to go one way
and I'm like, oh, we're going to get another one of these.
And then it's.
And then we didn't get another one of those.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, I'm also going to say best movie ever.
Okay, great.
I guess we'll talk about later where it kind of ranks in the Marvel movies.
But let's now talk about specifically that thing you're talking about now.
Okay.
Are we spoilers now?
Spoilers now.
Spoilers from now.
Well.
What about the bit when well what about
the bit when we the the winter soldier has this revelation that there are actually more winter
soldiers out there yeah they're all in cryogenic suspension and so uh bucky and steve have to go
to siberia to put a stop to them and i assumed as i'm sure most of the audience did uh well not uh but like this
they're headed to you went uh for 10 minutes there's a there's a there's gonna be a but
they're gonna go to siberia and there's gonna be some sort of five on two super soldier fight yes
just like a lot of you know it's it's we saw that we saw that in iron man three right right yeah we
saw it in a whole bunch
of other stuff
and I'm like
oh this is
where's this gonna go
I'm tired of these
but then it turns out
that's not where it's gonna go
Baron Zemo's just shot them all
yeah
I'm quite happy that they
yeah absolutely
some people were disappointed
I think
I don't think
I think we kind of
we got enough of that
kind of hand to hand stuff
yeah totally
that we didn't really need it
and I thought the fight scene that we did get yeah was more interesting than what
that would have been correct i mean and we kind of saw what they could do anyway like they were
tough we saw that didn't we yeah we did you know what did surprise me in this what's that that
nobody died important died yeah i agree yeah well i we made some predictions prior to this yes like
a couple of weeks ago what we think would happen i we got some right we got some predictions prior to this, like a couple of weeks ago, what we think would happen.
We got some right, we got some wrong.
I think I predicted no deaths.
Did you really?
I did, yeah.
I'm going to say you didn't predict no deaths.
All right.
We can go back, but I'm not going to.
I don't know.
Why did you think that, though? Well, I predicted no deaths
because this isn't a universe
where people can come back from the dead properly yet.
Like we've said that there'll be the Infinity Gauntlet
will be in play very soon.
Yeah.
And that can essentially do anything.
Yeah.
But I feel that's kind of,
that's kind of a game changer.
By do anything you mean shoot a beam of energy
in whatever color it is.
That's pretty much what it's going to do.
But like it's,
if you,
it's one of those situations where,
like in the comic books you can be like,
okay, we've reversed all the damage,
you know,
the Infinity Gauntlet did. And now I'm Adam okay, we've reversed all the damage the Infinity Gauntlet did,
and now I'm Adam Warlock,
and I'm going to take the Infinity Gauntlet and go away,
and it's never going to be a problem ever again kind of thing.
But in this universe, you'd be like,
why don't they just, whoever gets the Infinity Gauntlet at the end,
they could be like,
why don't they just bring back all the dead characters and solve world hunger and et cetera, et cetera.
I feel it's really difficult to employ that in a live action universe.
Yeah, fair enough.
And so I think you couldn't really kill Captain America or Iron Man
because they're just humans and you can't.
Can't bring back a just human.
It's hard to justify bringing them back.
Okay, that's fair enough.
Because why not bring back everybody who died or whatever?
Good point, Mason.
Why not bring back everybody that died? I thought Glaw to justify bringing them back. Okay, that's fair enough. Because why not bring back everybody who died or whatever? Good point, Mason. Why not bring back everybody that died?
I thought Claw was going to come back.
I thought that was the beam of energy that destroys Rhodey's arc reactor.
Oh, right, yeah.
And shuts down War Machine.
I thought that was going to be Claw, but it turned out to be Vision having a moment of doubt and being slightly confused.
What a dickhead.
What a dickhead, right?
Yeah.
Also, here's an issue that I had.
Why have the Ironman
suits never had a
parachute
because
they're pretty heavy
the Falcon suit
has a parachute
that's true
it does
yeah
and that's just a
backpack with wings
just a backpack with wings
it's ridiculous
I did like all these
upgrades though
me too
his red wing
and his rocket launches
and he could do like
a shield
he did the shield thing
and he did like some
mid-air parkour yeah totally I liked how he could do like a shield. He did the shield thing. And he did like some, like mid-air parkour.
Yeah,
totally.
I liked how he could do the,
there's a moment where he's,
he's Scarlet Witch is like injecting all the poison gas out of the
building at the start.
And he's got like,
he's in like,
he's blocking her with like a shield formation.
It goes all the way down to his legs.
Yes.
Like he doesn't have any vulnerable points.
It's great.
Except for his back.
Because the wind is in front of him.
Yeah, that's true.
It can't be everywhere at once.
But yeah, no, I completely agree.
And yeah, what a great use of that
just being like,
what has this guy got?
What can we do with him?
Exactly, yeah.
That's fantastic.
Good costume.
The Russo brothers actually talked about
why they didn't kill anybody.
Yeah.
And they said they wanted to make a movie
where they wanted to prove
that there could be stakes
and serious events at play without just resorting to killing someone.
And I thought they did a really good job of that.
Even though nobody died, I didn't walk away going, what a cop out.
Yeah.
Like I did with Age of Ultron.
I really like Rhodey.
I'm really sad that he's got the paralysis now.
Yeah, that's right.
He'll be fine in a little bit.
Yeah, he's got the robot legs doesn't he also
also
Tony Stark has extremists
exactly
yeah
why doesn't he just
a lot of people went on
Twitter and
asked me about that
why doesn't he just use extremists
yeah Mason
why can't you fix that
look this movie does
have some holes in it
well when you've got
a universe this large
and you've got multiple movies
13th movie
something like that
so yeah you're gonna get
plot holes
but no that is a good point
did you think that the
Scarlett Johansson's
character
it's still really annoying
we have an actor
called Scarlett Johansson
we have a character
called the Scarlett Witch
it's so annoying
it's so annoying
somebody change your name
she switches sides
yep
and
I thought
that's too obvious
I thought it would be
like Vision because he has like a crisis of conscious,
which he kind of does, but he just kind of shits the bed.
Yeah.
But she actually switches sides.
Well, not really switches sides at the end.
She kind of makes a call to let Captain America and that go
because I guess she's just like, look, you seem to know what you're doing.
Yeah, true.
Yeah.
And he does in a way.
He's a villain. Yes. Colonel Zemo, what you're doing. Yeah, true. Yeah. And he does in a way. He's a villain.
Yes.
Colonel Zemo, not Baron Zemo.
Yeah.
From Sokovia.
Yeah.
So he's not just a guy, obviously.
He has some military background, but he just does a lot of running around in a sweater
tricking people.
That's true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Was that disappointing to you that it didn't turn out to be like the Red Skull or he wasn't
like the traditional Baron Zemo?
If he were the traditional Baron Zemo,
I would have wondered where he'd been this whole time.
Sure, yeah.
Because Baron Zemo is a full-fledged supervillain.
Cackling lunatic.
Although I guess in the comic books,
he's also masqueraded as it,
like he was the leader of the Thunderbolts for a while.
Oh, really?
Who were villains masquerading as heroes.
So I guess they could have done something with that.
But I don't know.
Because, you know, obviously we got the woman from the State Department
whose son was killed in Sokovia.
And she was just, you know, distraught.
Yeah.
And so then we've had the parallel of this guy whose family was also killed
and he decided to do something about it.
Yeah.
It was good.
And he was fairly justified, I thought.
Yeah.
And this wasn't a guy who just, again, this is the flaw with a lot of Marvel movies
and a lot of them is there's a guy and he just goes mad.
Yes.
And then all the...
This was calculated.
Yeah.
This was a calculated attack.
This wasn't, he was just exposed to radiation for a little bit
and he went mad.
Yeah.
He'd thought about this.
Yeah.
Yeah, he'd planned well ahead.
He even got a different mask, like a Bucky mask.
Yeah, that's true.
Which, there's another little flaw maybe in this,
is that he just got a mask that he put on and nobody...
You'd think that Iron Man especially with all his technology and his artificial intelligences and all kinds,
they would scan that photo and go, actually, that's not.
Rubber face.
Rubber face, no metal arm.
Yeah.
What are you doing?
Because it doesn't seem like he's the kind of guy who has that shield mesh hologram
face technology again that technology exists i would have liked to see some sort of hand waving
like you know some sort of thing of saying well he had stolen shield technology or something or
you know right right he i don't know because he again iron man's got stark has this technology
where he'd scan like he could he could scan that image or that video footage and go,
he's not walking like a...
You know, he doesn't walk the same as...
Because later in the movie,
he scans Captain America's fighting technique
and develops the countermeasures for it.
You'd think he could scan some video footage
of a man walking through a car park and go,
the Winter Soldier's...
We've got some footage of the Winter Soldier here.
This is not him. This is not him.
The height's off.
The height's off.
He doesn't move for a guy with a metal arm, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
His hair's too short.
Hair's too short.
Yeah.
That coat's not cool enough.
Correct.
Yeah.
He's got a lot of cool coats.
Now that's, I can't really argue with any of that.
But look, I'm okay.
I'm okay in the larger context of the movie.
I'm like, well, if that's.
I think people were disappointed though that he wasn't this like, I'm the villain and look, I'm wearing, well, if that's... I think people were disappointed, though, that he wasn't this like,
I'm the villain and look, I'm wearing a costume and I built this laser.
Yeah, true.
Like maybe people were disappointed or even surprised that it wasn't that.
But I think when the focus is really on Iron Man and Captain America going head to head, having a guy like that show up at the end
and point a laser at the moon or whatever.
Right.
Exactly.
That kind of takes away from it.
Yeah.
I think that the context of this movie isn't everybody's got to team up
against the bad guy.
Yeah.
It's what are these people doing fighting in the first place?
It's kind of ridiculous that they're these,
you know,
it's this private army who kind of do whatever they want.
And maybe this is something they should be talking about and thinking about.
And at the end, it's not even really resolved.
No.
Because at the end, we have Martin Freeman's character,
Everett Ross, who's like, what did it really...
You didn't do anything.
And he's like, didn't I?
Kind of thing.
Anyway, because he destroyed the Avengers and Captain America
and Tony Stark, they you know, they're
on the outs.
Yeah.
People.
He actually did a lot of good work in a way.
Like he killed those winter soldiers.
That was a good idea.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, see, that's the thing.
I very much like this moral gray area.
Like the Avengers do these things because they think they're making the world a better
place.
This guy also thinks he's making the world a better place
by getting rid of the Avengers.
And who's right in this situation?
We are.
Yeah, we're right.
Yeah, we're always right.
We'll make a decision at the end and we'll be right.
And you think, though, is there any difference?
If they turned up to that facility at the end
and they killed six Winter Soldiers,
is there a difference between that and going in
and just shooting them in their sleep?
Not at all.
Yeah.
I mean, one's kind of a bit of a cop-out.
So is Everett Ross related to General Ross?
I don't think so.
Because I think last week it was pointed out
that Martin Freeman might have an extended role later on.
And I was like, probably not.
But then somebody pointed out if his name's Ross,
he might be the new Red Hulk.
Okay.
If Martin Freeman became the Red Hulk.
That would be great.
I would love that.
And then we wouldn't even have to bloody explain away why General Ross's mustache disappears
when he becomes the Red Hulk.
It grows in.
People have figured that out.
I don't like it.
No, I don't.
No.
He'd also be bald.
Yes, he would be.
That's right.
Just shrinks in.
Yeah.
What else happened in this movie that we can talk about?
The twist, which isn't really a twist if you've followed the movies,
is that Winter Soldier killed Stark's parents.
Yes.
It's heavily implied.
Well, in Captain America, in the Winter Soldier, we see...
What's the computer's name?
Computron.
No.
Zemo.
No. Tobey Maguire. No, it's name? Computron. No. Zemo. No.
Toby,
Toby,
McGuire.
No,
it's not.
The actor.
I don't,
bloody people yelling it.
If you say it out loud,
wherever you are,
we'll hear it.
Yeah.
Oh,
Zola.
Zola,
Adam Zola.
Yeah.
Thank you for saying that out loud.
We appreciate it.
Thank you guys.
Yeah.
If you just believe and yell,
we'll gain the ability to fly.
But yeah, like that,
we see some newspaper clippings
and data and it's basically
we were responsible for the death.
We're responsible for all these things
and one of them is, you know,
Howard Stark and Maria Stark
killed in car accident.
And the Winter Soldier
couldn't have possibly done
all of this stuff.
Right.
But it's like, yeah,
he probably did that one.
Maybe did that one, yeah.
And he did.
Yeah, he did.
So did you, like, straight away were you like, that's the twist?
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
That's obviously going to come into play.
I thought it was interesting that Steve Rogers chose not to tell him that.
Yeah, right.
What was his reasoning for it?
You saw this again yesterday.
He thought he was protecting him, but he was more kind of protecting himself and bucky was it no he doesn't really he doesn't he because he writes him a letter at the
end doesn't he oh listen you're a pretty good bloke i like what you're about i don't think he
i don't think he specifies okay tony stark i think he says he's wrong i think he says he was stark
says did you know and cap says i didn't know it was him. Yeah. But he did know. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point.
Yeah.
And, uh, well, I guess before we get to that final fight scene.
Yeah.
The airport sequence.
Yeah.
Is the bit that, like that alone.
And I, I would, I don't normally say this for movies.
Like see Batman v Superman has, and I shouldn't make this comparison.
It's got that amazing, uh, sequence in the warehouse.
Yeah.
But I wouldn't say that strictly is worth the price of admission.
No.
This, if all of this movie was garbage and there was that scene, it would probably be
worth going to see it.
I think so.
Just for that.
Yeah.
It's a massive kind of tonal shift.
It's like, becomes this like bit of fun and it's a, you know, it's a bit of.
It's like, what's going to happen now?
Yeah.
And it just kind of escalates.
And of course the bit that you bit that you were genuinely surprised by.
Well, we got, prior to this movie coming out,
there was like, you know,
we got all sorts of merchandising and action figures or whatever.
There was like a Captain America Civil War airport battle sequence.
And there was one particular action figure in there
that was significantly larger than all the other action figures.
And we saw that. And then I forgot about about it completely and then i went into the movie and there's the
moment where they're like we need a big distraction and scott lang ant-man is like i'm gonna try
something and i was like i know what he's gonna try and he turns into giant man and everybody
people people went bananas yeah Yeah, they really did.
What a great bloody sequence.
And you know what I liked as well?
There was, the way he moved was really slow.
Yeah.
Kind of like, he wasn't just like running about.
Like he had real weight.
And that effect is, maybe it'll fall apart if I watch it another couple of times.
I don't know, man.
But that is, that was flawless.
Amazing.
It was almost like there was a giant man
smashing stuff in an airport.
In a way, it was.
But I didn't feel like there was no moment of like,
well, that's plasticky and that's kind of...
Yeah, like the leather on the suits.
Yeah, yeah.
Just all of it.
Yeah, just incredible.
And Tony Stark's like,
does anybody on our side have some sort of amazing
hidden power that will change the game?
Now would be the time.
That was good.
Yeah, fantastic.
And it was cool the way he was kind of brought down.
Yeah.
I liked also how they showed what Spider-Man could do
without being like, oh, my God, he's got super strength.
Oh, my God, he can stick to walls.
Oh, my God, he's got his spider sense.
Yeah, yeah.
Because you kind of see him, he sort of uses at one point,
I think the shield gets thrown and he kind of like gets out of the way or whatever is that is that i i saw it
like two weeks ago so i'm i couldn't remember the specifics yeah like i that's a good question
actually because he it it didn't strike it's a good question because we don't know what his
spider sense is like in this movie yeah because
he is he does get like tricked by ant-man initially because ant-man's on captain america's
shield yes and you know he takes some other hits maybe and he's also not trained yeah that's true
like maybe yeah because we don't know if he gets in this movie if he gets in this context if he
gets like specific ideas of what the danger is
going to be or maybe it's just directional like maybe it's something's coming at him and so he
can't like if it was you know a bullet he could dodge it but if it's a tiny man on a shield tiny
man on a shield he doesn't know if it's like one of hawkeye's arrows yeah he wouldn't know
specifically what it's going to do yes so would he be like well do i dodge it or do i catch it or do
i you know whatever throw something in front of it like he wouldn't know specifically what it's going to do yes so would he be like well do i dodge it or do i catch it or do i you know whatever throw something in front of it like he wouldn't know
yeah absolutely so maybe that's the key because he did again yeah like i think maybe it's just
because he's untrained because he did kind of fall for a lot of stuff he did i like though it showed
that he's like him in comparison to say winter soldier or falcon there's that bit where he
fights those two specifically and he catches which is catches with a soldier's punch, which is great.
Yeah, because I'm like... Because that guy, nobody has caught that guy's punches.
No.
If he hits you, even if you block it, you still stumble.
Well, yeah.
I mean, they even foreshadowed that, I think, earlier on when he's fighting a whole bunch of people.
Yeah.
I think somebody does go to catch and he just sort of steamrolls straight through him.
Yeah.
And then we see it later on and he catches.
And I'm like, oh, that's right.
Spider-Man's really strong.
He can lift like 100 tonne?
Or is it 20 tonne?
No, initially it was 10.
Yeah.
It used to be 10.
And then he got ramped up to like...
After Spider-Man 2...
Right.
I think they're like, well, the comic book version clearly can't stop a train by himself.
So they ramped him up to like 35 tonnes, I think.
Okay, sure.
And I think that's where he is now-ish.
In a pinch.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But man, that was... Yeah. so they ramped him up to like 35 tons I think and I think that's where he is now in a pinch yeah
but man
I also liked how they explained
the new suit
like the goggles
so he needs the goggles
because he can't focus
and I guess that's got something to do
with his spider sense as well
that he's sensing everything at once
right yeah
so it's kind of
so the goggles are more like
blockers than they are
yeah exactly
like on a horse
like a horse
like blinkers
yeah exactly
so yeah did you enjoy like the Empire Strikes Back take down blockers than they are. Yeah, exactly. Like on a horse. Like a horse. Like blinkers. Yeah, exactly.
So, yeah.
Did you enjoy the Empire Strikes Back
take down?
Yeah, I did, yeah.
Somebody pointed out
to me on Twitter,
I'm sorry,
I can't remember who,
that you'd think
if Peter Parker was a nerd
he would know the movie
Empire Strikes Back.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah.
He could probably
name it specifically.
Like we don't know
anybody that age, right?
Yeah, that's true.
I guess not.
That was fun.
Maybe we should make some 17-year-old friends.
Yeah.
Or is he 15?
He's 15, I think.
Maybe we should make some 15.
Yeah, we do.
What are you doing, Daddy Junior?
We saw this.
We went to the premiere with a friend of the show, Steel Saunders.
Yes.
Big fan of Star Wars.
Yeah.
Man, he loved that scene.
Boy, did he.
He loved that Empire Strikes Back.
I think he said it was one of the most fun movies he'd ever seen afterwards.
It is a fun movie, let me tell you.
He had a bloody blast.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Should we get into the Black Panther?
So there's this kind of a subplot
that Black Panther's father is killed.
Yep, T'Chaka.
T'Chaka, the king of Wakanda.
And he spends the remainder of the movie
trying to get to the Winter Soldier to kill him.
Sure. Which is pretty great. They had some really good hand-to-hand stuff yeah it's interesting that he's
more than a match for bucky though like like in the way that spider-man is stronger but
black panther is more skilled yeah definitely yeah and maybe it's the suit as well yeah oh
that's what we're gonna say so there is the point there is a moment where like uh
black panther and captain america and falcon all have to give away their super like their super
tech yeah like that it gets taken by the government yeah um and then right and then winter soldier is
and is fighting t'challa with you know t'challa doesn't have the black panther suit on yeah he's
still very like he's got vibranium boots on.
Oh, really?
Well, you can see he's got, like, the soles of his feet are silver.
Oh.
And so I think the reason he can still do all the stuff
is because he's still wearing some of it.
That's great.
Yeah.
Good work, Mason.
Thank you.
I should have put that in my Easter egg video, but I didn't.
Oh, no, you didn't.
You're a very smart man.
I'm a very smart man.
Unless that's not true.
No, I think it is.
No, it is, because you watch it again.
I believe it.
One thing that is never explained is the royal ring that T'Chaka wears.
Right.
It passed along to T'Challa.
It has some sort of connection to Winter Soldier's arm.
Yeah.
It's never explained why.
Magnetic.
Oh, yeah.
I don't know.
Probably magnets.
But it's never quite...
Maybe it was left on the cutting room floor or something like that.
Maybe it was a tracker.
Maybe.
Yeah.
But I mean, it can't be a vibranium arm.
No, it's not.
Because Iron Man couldn't have cut it off if that were the case.
No.
But maybe it's got some vibranium elements in it and somehow that's attracted to it.
But I don't know.
That wasn't...
Yeah, that's a really good point.
And also, vibranium isn't...
It's not attracted to...
Otherwise, Captain America's shield
would have stuck to Black Panther's suit.
Yeah.
That would have been quite fun.
Yeah, that would have been fun.
What a bloody...
What else is good in this movie?
It's all pretty good, right?
Do you remember the bit at the end where they had the end fight?
Do you remember the Audi chase?
Do I ever?
So many Audis.
Just send us an Audi, Audi.
What are you doing?
Send us two Audis.
Send us two Audi R8s and we'll race them.
You have the convertible.
I'd love the convertible.
There you go.
I'll take a regular sedan, please.
Okay, sure.
A bit too sporty for you.
That's right.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's actually
like an Audi feature
where they're just
like it's the cast
and crew being like
well these are good
aren't they
we love bloody
they let us crash
some Audis
we're like we crash
an Audi
and they're like
crash seven Audis
and we're like
ah we will
we only need one
and they're like
you crashed seven
look at those
crumple zones
that's right
so
so it's yeah the reveal at the end uh that
bucky killed stark's parents and he remembers apparently because there is a point where he
says i remember all of them yeah uh it's captain america trying to initially trying to stop iron
man from killing the winter soldier yeah do you think iron man is justified in his actions
even though he's all like we should be sanctioned. We've all signed the document.
No, absolutely not.
And also, bloody Winter Soldier,
like it's all just hydro technology.
He's been told to do that.
Yeah.
It's almost like if somebody programmed
like a Jericho missile to launch at a,
you know, a populated area in some part of Afghanistan
and it just blew it all up.
Like in that movie Iron Man,
when Iron Man's missiles did that.
It's almost like that.
It's almost like that, isn't it?
Except it's a man with a metal arm.
Yeah, it is a man.
So I really like that sequence
in Winter Soldier's kind of Super Mario-ing.
Yeah.
Like out of that weird silo
and Iron Man's coming after him
and he suits like Captain America's like chipping away at him. Oh, speaking about Super Mario-ing, I forgot to that weird silo and Iron Man's coming after him and he suits like Captain America's like
chipping away at him
oh speaking about Super Mario
I forgot to mention this
up at the top
I was in a podcast this week
oh right yeah
I was on a podcast
you were
it's called Filthy Casuals
Filth Cash
it was my friends
Tommy Daslow
Ben Vanell
and Adam Knox
search for that on the iTunes
I listened to it
oh yeah what did you like
I really liked it
I didn't know anything
about the new Nintendo system
I was like
oh it's good to know what's bloody going on in the world so i was on that you
everybody should give that a give that a listen give it a wander on over had a good old time
filthy casual it's just on itunes it's just on itunes that's it you'll never find it's also on
omni which is an app no it's not it's just on itunes just on itunes anyway give that a spin
if you like yeah absolutely cool that was great. No, it was great. I really enjoyed it.
Yeah.
Anyway, he was super Mario-ing.
Yeah.
Captain America's like chipping away at his suit.
And eventually it comes down to this knockdown drag out brawl where it's just Winter Soldier
and Captain America just beating the shit out of Iron Man.
Right, yeah.
Which I really enjoyed.
He really deserves that kicking.
I think so.
Like, and not just like like i've taken a laser blast
like someone like needs to just give him a severe kicking yeah which which we which we got yeah
great what was it uh we knew that winter soldier was going to lose an arm because i kind of gave
that away in the trailer that's true you see him lying down in the background but i still enjoyed
that you know that kind of that played out there's actually a bit in the wind not winter soldier the
civil war comic where captain amer America can't fight Iron Man
because he's already recorded
he's like I've recorded every punch you've ever thrown
that's right yeah
so like you said
even your secret punches
even the ones you
even the punches you do in the shower
you think nobody's around
well I'm around
yeah so that was kind of cool
how the tables kind of kept turning
you were worried at the end that he was going to, like,
break Iron Man's neck?
Because when his helmet comes off, his neck's kind of perched up
on this little concrete.
Yeah, he takes it.
Captain America knocks him to the ground,
and, like, there's a really sort of sharp outcropping,
and he lands wrong.
I thought maybe that Captain America wouldn't do it.
I thought maybe that he'd hit it.
Yeah.
And that was it for him.
Like, even before.
Like, and the helmet comes off and he's like,
ugh, I'm dead kind of thing.
Like, I thought maybe that was the end of him.
Because that's a.
That's right on the bloody.
That's a brutal.
That's a, ugh.
That's some American History X, like, curb stomp kind of stuff.
Man.
Yeah.
Brutal fights in this one.
Absolutely.
Very intense. Yeah. And you know what else was good? It wasn't just kind of like, oh, they're fighting for the kind of stuff. Brutal fights in this one. Absolutely. Very intense.
Yeah.
And you know what else was good?
It wasn't just kind of like, oh, they're fighting for the sake of fighting.
Like the middle fight was kind of like that.
It's a bit of fun.
Not that there was no stakes involved.
There wasn't, but it was just like, don't let them get to this plane.
But that one was like, oh, someone could kill another person in this moment.
Yeah.
Which is pretty bloody sweet.
Raise the stakes.
Captain America gives up his shield at the end
to become Nomad.
Or the Captain.
Sometimes he's the Captain.
I bet he is.
Good for him, mate.
Do you want to make any predictions
or where would you like to see this series go in the future?
Well, look, I think he will be without a shield
for a maximum of one movie, I would say.
If that.
Yeah, yeah.
I think Tony Stark will be like,
you've earned this, here's your shield back.
No, no, I think...
You think he'll just swipe it?
I think he might take it from whoever gets it next.
I think they might... Give it to Falcon? I think you might take it from whoever gets it next.
I think they might Give it to Falcon?
I think they might
create US Agent
who is like the
Oh, the crap
Captain America.
He's the crap
Captain America.
Yes, that's right.
But he's
he's not bad
like he's
like
he was the replacement
Captain America
and he was given
like legit
superhuman strength
and like he's the
Doesn't he go mad?
No, there was...
So in the...
Basically, in between Captain...
When Captain America disappeared in the 1940s...
Yes.
In between that and him re-arriving in the modern day,
there was, like, a fake Captain America.
Like, the US government, like, tried to create a second one.
Yes.
And so there was a,
so it was a fake captain America and a fake Bucky.
And didn't they think that was a real one?
Yeah.
I think,
I think the,
the captain America thought he was the real one.
Yeah.
I haven't read any of this in a really long time,
but they went mad.
Oh,
the captain America went mad because of this,
this faulty super soldier serum.
I can't remember what happened to him, but the Bucky became...
Somebody peed in it.
It was probably it.
No, they do it in the 50s.
And then that Bucky became Nomad.
Oh, okay.
Who was like, I think he was in...
No, he was in the Defenders in the 90s, who was super extreme.
Defenders of the Earth?
Defenders of the Earth.
Defenders.
Out of the sky, his rockets ignite.
Jets into battle, flying faster than light.
Flashpoint.
Lord of the jungle, the hero who stops.
The beasts call him brother, the ghost war.
That's Defenders of the Earth.
Defenders.
Dun, dun.
No, it was the 90s Defenders had Nomad.
It had the new Ghost Rider.
It had the original Ghost Rider when he was just Blaze.
He had like a bionic eye.
So cool.
And like a shotgun that fired hellfire.
Wait, so he had a skull and a bionic eye.
No, he was just a regular dude, but he had a bionic eye.
I'll find a...
I don't...
Wait.
How was he Ghost Rider then?
He wasn't Ghost...
There was another Ghost Rider.
He teamed up with...
Oh, he was just Blaze,
like a bloke called Blaze.
Called Blaze, yeah.
He teamed up with a new Ghost Rider.
Anyway.
But that guy...
That Bucky became the new Nomad.
Right.
I don't know what he's doing now.
He's probably still Nomad.
Who bloody knows, mate.
Who knows, yeah.
He had a kid.
Maybe he's raising the kid.
Yeah, maybe he's busy.
Yeah.
So what do you...
So you think he's going to get his shield back?
I think they might have...
I think maybe...
I wouldn't be surprised if they attempt to build, yeah, a Captain America who is more
compliant.
So they get John Walker, who is...
So US Agent was essentially...
Like when Captain America gave up being Captain America, he just became the Captain. Yeah. John Walker who is so US agent was essentially like when
Captain America
gave up being
Captain America
he just became
the captain
this was in like
the 80s
and then they're like
well we need another guy
so they got
John Walker
they gave him this
super
power
treatment
to give him
superhuman strength
and he became
the new Captain America
then when Captain America
came back
and took the shield
off him
this guy became
US agent
who is still a good guy but he's you but he's not as good as Captain America.
He's stronger, isn't he?
He is much stronger.
Is he not as nice?
He's not as nice.
Nah, that's not good.
So I reckon they might bring that guy in.
You don't think they'll take an existing character like Falcon
and be like, you're Captain America?
Well, they just broke him out of jail.
Yeah, but that can go...
The Falcon now has no stakes in that anymore.
Like, it's done.
Yeah, that's true, I guess.
Do you know what I mean?
He's not going to give it to Bucky, obviously.
No.
Because Bucky killed his parents.
Yeah.
Also, they're going to have to wave away the fact that everybody who went to the raft now
has a criminal record again.
Yes.
Like, if they're going to do Ant-Man and the Wasp, they're going to have to explain how
Ant-Man isn't a wanted fugitive again yeah good point yeah so i don't know
maybe he is i think maybe in the wake i think in the wake of it turns out that winter soldier
didn't do it and it was it's just all i think they're going to be like yeah free pass everybody
let's uh the un sanctions this sanctioned this prison break. Yeah, absolutely.
Now, apparently the Infinity War movies are only called Part 1, Part 2 now.
They're going to change those names.
Okay, right.
So it's interesting to see because they're going to go... It seemed to be like these Russo Brother films is a slow ramp into like galactic madness.
Yeah, maybe.
Which is what we're going to get.
What we didn't get in this one is any kind of galactic madness good it's not the movie for galactic no absolutely not you're right
i like galactic madness i would i kind of hope for in like the post-credit sequence
just thanos and he's just like i got another infinity gem off camera nearly there
uh we should talk about post-credits then okay Okay, good. One of them was Bucky goes into hibernation.
Yep, in the nation of Wakanda.
That's right.
He's got his little metal arm bandaged up.
He's got his little hairnet for his arm there.
That's right, yeah.
And because he's still a danger, obviously,
because I think in the comics he's still got trigger words
that's kind of set him off as well for a while.
And then...
Do you think they're going to
build him a new arm in Wakanda
they'll have to
Vibranium
Vibranium arm
Vibranium arm
yeah
and then Spider-Man
is like
what's this on my wrist
it's a weird
holographic interface
what do you think about that
so
because in the
like in the comic
he doesn't really use it anymore
but in the comic books
he used to have like a belt
a searchlight
yeah he used to have a searchlight in his belt,
and I guess that's kind of it,
but it also looks like some sort of duck.
It's got like an interface.
Like a database kind of thing.
Yeah.
That seems awkward to make it a hologram, though.
I don't know what it's for.
Here's the thing, though.
That's coming out of his web shooter,
because clearly Tony Stark's upgraded his web shooters.
But also he does go, oh, my hands are so itchy.
Do you think he's going to get the...
Maybe he's going to get his biological web shooters.
I don't think we need that. see that's the thing i think they've
i think they've put it in there just in case oh okay i think they're like in case people weren't
happy with it yeah i think that yeah okay fair enough yeah no i think you know the best part
about this well not the best part one of the good parts about this spider-man yes that is the best
part second best part though wouldn't even say second. Yeah. But he's like, oh, you developed this web formula.
That's pretty cool.
But then they don't go, tell me the specifics of it.
Like in The Amazing Spider-Man where it's like, well, I found this formula and then
I, you know, and I built the shooters and then like, they just, he's just like, yeah,
I did it.
Right.
And that's it.
Yeah.
It was show, don't tell.
It was in the webs, Tony Stark's arm to the door.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cause he did it, didn't he?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a good postcard. Once again, I'm pretty surebert downey jr is just wearing his own clothes yeah definitely yeah
right absolutely yeah fashion in general i know you're a big man of fashion it's pretty good i
like you're okay with it it's good yeah i find his tie knots are too chunky i'm not as a fashion
a man as you oh sure yeah i'm not as a fashion as you are you're not as a fashion man as you. Oh, sure, yeah. I'm not as a fashion as you are. You're not as a fashion as me. So you probably disagree with me.
I'm okay with them.
Okay, then.
All right.
I can't fight you on that.
Anything else, or is that all?
That's about it.
How would you rank it in terms of movies?
Just of all movies?
Yeah.
Right up there.
I was also going to say good on them for employing an EMP device in a movie
and not explaining what it does.
When they do that?
Zemo sends one to the power station.
Oh, yeah.
See, I didn't remember because I didn't get it.
Oh, yeah, sure.
Because nobody said it.
Because nobody explained what an EMP was.
Yeah.
No, good.
We know what they do by now.
Just let it go.
Yeah, absolutely.
Good job.
Any movie that does that.
Molto bene.
So in terms of Marvel movies, where does this rank?
It's right up there.
Right up there?
Top three.
Yeah, it might even be number one.
Number one.
Yeah.
Okay.
It might be number one.
Because we got, look, I really like Winter Soldier.
Yep.
We had all that amazing.
Winter Soldier-ing.
Winter Soldier-ing.
We had great hand-to-hand combat.
We had crazy superhero fights
yep we didn't have a final battle that was just the good guys fighting a swarm of robots and or
aliens yep good good ah giant man we had giant man who was in it so you got to look at in terms of
how does it stack up against iron man i say winter soldier guardians of the Galaxy Winter Soldier Guardians of the Galaxy First Avengers
yeah
like
I'd say it's in that
it's in that tier
as opposed to like
yeah
you know like your Thor
and
Iron Man 2
Iron Man 2
but I would say Thor is
I like Thor a lot
yeah me too
actually yeah
this is the one
that I've enjoyed the most
since Guardians
like I like Age of Ultron
yeah me too
and I like Ant-Man
they're okay
but this is you know this is, you know,
this is like that next kind of level.
And I think,
I honestly think a lot of this is
that Marvel goes,
Marvel has gone,
look, let's not just get anybody
to make these movies.
Let's get rid of Ike Perlmutter,
put some money,
put some thought into this.
Mean old Ike Perlmutter.
Yeah, I genuinely think
that's why we're going to,
we're going to,
I'm hoping we're going to see
a better quality,
not just like,
it's a pretty good Marvel movie. Do you know what I what i mean yeah because they're kind of disappointing when you come out and you're like it was just pretty good because you know it's because i guess
they there are these people have these and i'm guilty of this have these kind of unrealistic
expectations for a lot of superhero movies not just marvel ones but this one pretty bloody good pretty bloody good mate and that's the show for this week
everybody that let's um let's do the next segment of the show then oh yeah it's called what we're
reading what we're gonna read and you know you put in the theme oh yeah i have to do that you
put in the theme i'll put it in note to james put in the theme here i'm doing the thing
what are we reading
Today
Mason
I'd love to know
What you're reading
Or even what you're
Going to read
I don't know
I'm going to re-watch
Ant-Man
I think
Okay
I think I didn't give it
A fair shake
The first time around
I remember you
You liked it enough
But then
When you saw
Fantastic Four
You were like you know what i
was really harsh on me too yeah no that's what no you said that specifically yeah i remember saying
that yeah you're right yeah well i can tell you what i've read a little bit of special correspondence
which is a movie with eric banner and ricky gervais yeah what's like 45 minutes of it yep
does it get any better it's about the same it's about the same great okay cool it's not it's not horrendous it's no it's fine right it's fine yeah somebody will take
umbridge mason with the bit where he's like he's got these marvel collectibles and he's like these
are my toys that i love and they're collectibles but they're just like hot toys from like the last
two years right okay sure yeah but you've got to start somewhere yeah that's true a friend of mine
recently uh tweeted something along the
lines of uh sometimes i have awkward conversation no he said i think it was my one goal in within a
conversation is that i'm not playing the ricky gervais role in talking funny and then it turns
it turns out and i didn't know this but ricky gervais is famous for searching his name on
twitter and then responding to people like he didn't tag ricky g Gervais is famous for searching his name on Twitter
and then responding to people.
Like he didn't tag Ricky Gervais in the tweet
but Ricky Gervais found him
and tweeted like,
yeah, well, I put it all together
and I made all the money.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
So that's pretty good, right?
He's a hero.
Yeah, he's a hero in many ways.
Looking forward to the David Redd movie?
Sure, yeah.
Yeah.
Good enough.
I watched a movie this week.
It's called Eddie the Eagle.
It's got Taron Egerton.
Oh, yes.
Who was going to, well, they were strongly, heavily rumoured for Han Solo.
It's about this British Olympian, this winter Olympian,
and his dreams to represent Britain in the Olympics.
Okay.
And, like, the extreme lengths he goes to.
Think Cool Runnings, but there's one.
I was already thinking of Cool Runnings.
Good, but it's one guy.
Okay.
And you know what?
It's great.
It's really, really good.
It's really kind of heartfelt.
It's a really like strong message about like, just bloody do your best, mate.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
You know, it's, and I know that sounds like naff or whatever.
And I genuinely don't kind of like movies
like that
where it's like
I just believed in myself
and I did it
and I'm the best
like the message
is kind of a little bit
more complex than that
and just doing things
like for the
not so much to prove it
to other people
but you know
something that you
kind of have the drive to do
like you have the drive
to be on the world's
best podcast
and maybe one day
you'll get there
maybe one day
I'll be there
which reminds me,
listen to that episode of Filthy Casuals, you guys.
You don't have to.
Real fun.
It's only on iTunes.
It's only on iTunes, though.
No, it's good.
It's good.
Anything else you're going to read?
No, that's about it.
I've got one more thing.
Okay, what is it?
Uncharted 4 is out this week.
Yeah.
Oh, on the PS4.
I'm going to try and get it if I get time
and give that a whirl. I'm a fan of those games. Yeah, yeah. PS4. I'm going to try and get it if I get time and give that a whirl.
I'm a fan of those games.
Yeah, yeah.
Has he changed his look?
Has Nathan Drake changed his look a little bit?
The graphics are upgraded.
Oh, he seems blonder.
Is he blonder?
He's never been blonde and he's never been blonder.
He's older.
He's more weathered.
Okay.
Yeah.
You okay with that?
Oh, fine.
All right.
But no, I'm looking forward to playing that.
The conclusion to the Uncharted trilogy.
Quadrilogy.
Tetralogy.
What's that?
It's a tetralogy.
It's four.
Is it?
Yeah.
It's not quadrilogy.
You'd think it would be, but it's not.
Look, I don't make the rules.
I think it would be and it is.
All right, fine.
All right.
I was thinking, maybe not next week, but maybe next week,
we should do a
episode on video games
that we'd like to see
adapted into
piss poor movies
so maybe we could do that
next week
but maybe we won't
if we don't have another topic
hang on
what was the topic again sir?
video games that we'd
want to see adapted into movies
and how you would do it
yeah we can do that
we can do that one week
yeah man
yeah man
let's do it
yeah
it's time for now
what is it? It's time for now.
What is it?
It's time for letters. The classic one was the letters.
Oh, letters.
We love you.
Some letters.
They're only a day away.
I know they're here right now.
We're going to do letters.
You took charge.
Yeah, I did.
And you got it.
Nailed it.
You got there.
Yeah.
But.
Oh, no.
I want to see a week where you predict when I'm going to say it.
And then bam.
All right.
We can work towards it.
But you know what?
That's been two really solid weeks.
I appreciate it.
You're on the right track to get the bloody hat trick.
I just want to be clear.
On the day that happens.
Yeah.
I'm going to celebrate by smashing this whole place up when I nail it.
Not my Budweiser song. I'm going to smash by smashing this whole place up When I nail it Not my Budweiser sign
I'm going to smash your hello there sign
So it just says hell here
It's going to be great
Alright Mason
We've got some letters here by letters I mean tweets
Because the Gmail is a nightmare
If you hashtag
Put a little hashtag symbol
Weekly Planet Pod
Put it on Twitter
I do a search and I bloody go through them.
You find some good ones.
That's how I do it.
Yeah, mate.
This is from Max Squatch.
Squatch?
Yeah.
Max Squatch.
It's hard to say.
The terror of the North, a Max Squatch.
A frozen North.
This is specifically to you because I don't know anything about this series,
but you probably do.
Okay.
And if not...
What if neither of us does?
That's the game probably do. Okay. And if not... What if neither of us does? I know. Well, that's the game we play.
Yeah.
What do you think of the Cloak & Dagger series coming to ABC Freeform?
So there's a Cloak & Dagger series.
Are you familiar with Cloak & Dagger?
I'm aware of Cloak & Dagger, sure.
Please explain.
Oh, they're like...
Look, essentially, they're two teenagers.
One has darkness powers and one has light powers.
Is that why they're called Cloak & Dagger?
Yeah. Not really. Well, Clo cloak has a cloak and it like dagger has lightness powers yeah no dagger has like energy energy knife kind of things and they're like they're like okay
anyway essentially their secret origin is the government gave them loads of drugs
that's pretty great i'm kind of excited for that yeah Yeah, why not? Yeah, cool. Sounds good.
You're all for it then?
Yeah.
Do you know any of the specifics about the show?
Nah.
Sorry, Max Squatch.
Hang on.
What else have ABC done?
Ages of Shield?
Ages of Shield.
Ugh.
Probably Lost.
Oh, jeez.
I don't know, man.
I'm Googling it.
You should Google it.
They've done Grey's Anatomy The Bachelor Once Upon a Time
Dancing with the Stars
these are all winners
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
Castle
which is apparently still on I guess
I've got no idea
Nashville
a lot of people enjoy Nashville
Modern Family
which I do not enjoy
I'll tell you why
why's that?
you know it's not terrible but
it's one of those shows where, who's it
for? Like, it's a documentary
and it's only a documentary because
the office was a thing. So they're filming
it, but to what end? What is it?
That's a good point.
It's also not that funny.
That's alright. It's fine.
General Hospital. American
Crime.
The View.
Galavant. Oh, The View. Oh.
Galavant.
Oh, we get it.
They've done a lot of shows, all right?
2020.
They've done a lot of award-winning shows, all right?
Oh, Revenge.
You know who he didn't talk about?
Sharon Carter.
Oh, yeah.
She's in a little bit.
Didn't we know that she was...
Yes.
Was Sam and Steve the only people who didn't know she was...
I guess so.
Huh.
Yeah. Rightio Huh. Yeah.
Rightio then.
Yeah, rightio then.
That kind of came out of nowhere, actually.
And she's no Peggy Carter.
That's true.
Yeah.
I miss Peggy Carter.
Yeah.
She'll be back.
Actually, they might not be bringing that season three back.
That's a shame.
Yeah.
Well, you didn't watch two, so bloody...
My hope is that she gets an appearance in Infinity War. Because she comes back. Because she comes... Well, see, here's a shame. Yeah. Well, you didn't watch two, so bloody. My hope is that she gets an appearance in Infinity War.
Because she comes back.
Because she comes.
Well, see, here's the thing.
Because there's an enormous, because in the present, before she died, she had like memory loss.
Yeah.
Like significant memory loss.
Yeah.
Which means that any point from there, from like 1950s to there,
she could have done anything.
Right, right.
So there's a good, well, there's not a good chance.
There's a great chance.
If we're bringing in the time gem into the equation
and maybe the good guys need some backup
and they can get it somehow through time travel
or if the time gem just opens up some weird time portals.
We can pull Peggy Carter out from the 50s.
She can come in and be part of the fight in the present.
She can have the thing with Steve Rogers.
No, she can't because he's with the other one.
Really?
She's with her niece now.
Oh, really?
They made out.
Yeah, but who cares?
Anyway, the point is...
Making out means that you're practically married, Mason. That's actually a really good point. Okay, well? They made out. Yeah, but who cares? Anyway, the point is... Making out means that you're
practically married, Mason. That's actually a really good point.
Okay, well, hopefully she dies
and then Peggy comes
into the present.
They do the action set, they finally get some closure
and then she goes back to 1950s
and then she forgets that it happened. Okay, it's possible.
So Steve remembers and blah, blah, blah.
I reckon that could totally work. Get some closure
to that relationship. Stanley, if you're listening and I know you are,
tell us what weird cameos you're going to have in Infinity War.
Please.
And also make that happen.
Do it.
He's definitely not listening.
He doesn't know how podcasts work.
That's okay.
In 10 years, he'll be like,
I've got an idea for a superhero who lives in a podcast.
I'll be like, all right, Stan.
Okay.
This is from Jake.
What cinematic universe is the most comic book-y?
The MCU?
Yes.
DC-CU?
The Fox X-Men Deadpool Fantastic Four?
Oh, boy.
Hellboy or Sony, which is like Spider-Man, I guess.
But that's sort of Marvel now.
The most comic book-y?
Yeah.
It depends on your comic books, doesn't it?
That's true.
I mean, because it depends on your specific issues.
Because each DC, Marvel, and whoever have their own...
Like, there's different comic book-y levels.
Yeah, there is different comic book-y levels.
But I guess he's talking, like, colour and...
Oh, maybe.
Like, the first Hellboy movie was super Hellboy-ish.
Yes.
Like, it was bang on.
Like, Mike Mignola's art doesn't look anything like the Hellboy on screen,
but, like, I think that setting and that tone, they really nailed it.
And in the second one, it was just Guillermo del Toro going nuts,
doing his weird fairy dimensions and what have you.
And I don't think that really worked so much.
No, it was fine, but I much preferred the first one.
So again, I think movie to movie it depends, but it's Marvel.
Okay, sure.
Because of the colour?
Because of the colour.
Because of the costume.
It's a fun bloody, and they've just let people, yeah, and it's costumes.
But it's also, Marvel is built to it as well.
Yeah, absolutely. Then again, they did Thor pretty quick. Yeah. And that was pretty crazy. yeah and it's costumes but it's also Marvel has built to it as well yeah absolutely
then again they did like
Thor pretty quick
yeah
and that was pretty
pretty crazy
yeah I would say it's also Marvel
I'm interested to see how
comic book-y
the next X-Men movie gets
yeah
yeah
because it looks like
they've put in a bit of
splash of colour
we've got some bloody apocalypse
and
yeah
see where that goes
maybe a city falls down
should be good
city might fall down
it's kind of like two weeks
this is another this is another one of those movies that comes out here a week before than it does in the
u.s yes we're gonna have to wait again and uh see what's up it's from mark and also if the x-men
move this next one doesn't work they'll just reboot it again because who cares at this point
it doesn't matter none of them line up line up it doesn't it doesn't matter nothing means anything
yep uh do you think because the rumor is that is that the last Wolverine solo movie is going to be Old Man Logan.
Yeah.
Do you think that the last scene is going to be him somehow resetting time?
Oh, maybe.
Or do you think that they're going to be like, who cares?
There's no time travel in Old Man Logan, though.
But I know that they can't do it.
Yeah, well, that's what I mean.
Exactly.
But I mean, well, see, that's the thing.
Like, they've already established in this movie X-Men universe that they can just give somebody time travel
powers if they want.
That's true.
I just give them time travel powers.
It's fine.
Yeah.
So,
or do you think,
because it's another,
like,
because we already had the days of future past future.
This is another potential future.
So do you think maybe there'll be like,
if they, if it is a potential future, we don't actually know.
That's true.
Well, we don't know if it's going to be Old Man Logan yet, really.
They're pretty much confirmed it.
But it might just be through Texas.
Like it doesn't necessarily,
might not be this weird apocalyptic future.
Oh, you think it might be present day?
Maybe.
Maybe.
Because they already did a weird future.
I'm not saying they won't do it.
Exactly.
There's too many weird futures.
But I get the sense that do you think
my question would be
do you think they're gonna
go forward and be like
okay well we'll reset it
and now we can do it
in more X-Men movies
or do you think
they're just gonna be like
you know what
just leave it
because it doesn't matter
they can't reset it again
surely
I think that's probably true
I think there's
I think what they might do
with Wolverine
instead of recasting him
they might just arrest him
and then just bring him back
in five years
like just bring Hugh Jackman back
another Hugh Jackman film
you'd do it again
not even necessarily a film
but like
let's say he hits 55
and that de-aging technology
is looking pretty good
if he looks terrible
which he probably won't anyway
but let's say you just want to take
straight off
I don't know how old he is now
he's nearly
I think he's 49
yeah he's really
he looks great
hey he's up alright
he looks after himself yeah don't act so surprised he's a man Yeah, he's really 49. He looks great. Hey, he's up, all right? He looks after himself.
Yeah.
Don't act so surprised.
He's a man who probably eats a lot of broccoli.
Mr. I've-never-eaten-broccoli-in-my-life.
I mean, I love broccoli.
Do you?
Yeah.
I've never seen you eat it.
Next time you come around.
I'll eat some right now.
Bring me some broccoli.
Do it.
I'm out of broccoli from eating all the broccoli.
Or was that you right in my fridge?
I ate all your broccoli late at night.
Yeah, so I don't know.
That's just a thought
I just had then
Maybe not
But I feel like
That's the kind of role
Where maybe he'd want to
In five years
Be like
You know what
I enjoyed doing that
Maybe I'll go back
And do another one
Maybe not the solo one
But I'll be in it
Yeah okay
Anyway
Or they'll just get bloody
I know Tom Holland
Can be the new Wolverine
As well
We'll see how that goes
Very good
Last question
Is from Mark
Hashtag weekly planet pod Best way to reach us Mason It's the only way Holland can be the new Wolverine as well. We'll see how that goes. Very good. Last question is from Mark.
Hashtag weekly planet pod.
Best way to reach us, Mason.
It's the only way.
Do you still want to see steel in the DCEU?
Also, can I have the official faceless extra of the podcast?
Yes, you can.
Now, do I want to see steel?
Steel.
Yes.
Why?
Because I want to see the steel armor.
Yep.
The hammer.
The proper one. The cape.
The big riveted S shield.
Yes.
It'd be great.
Yeah.
Maybe we will see that.
I hope so.
We probably won't.
Because, spoiler alert for Batman v Superman.
Spoiler alert.
Superman is dead.
Yeah, he is.
Maybe he's the one guy that Superman inspired.
You're right.
We didn't have much of a chance to inspire anyone else really
so there you go
no I agree I definitely want to see
Steel who do you cast
Idris Elba
even though he's in Marvel movies
Idris Elba's kind of the go to guy for
like he's a handsome
biggish guy
I don't know I couldn't say
it is Idris Elba then if you can't think of one that's who it is what if it's The Rock some big-ish guy. Yeah. You know? I don't know. I couldn't say. All right. It is Interstellar then.
If you can't think of one,
that's who it is.
What if it's The Rock?
It can't be The Rock
because he's already
black Adam or something.
He's already black Adam, yeah.
He's already black Adam
or something.
I don't know if it would
work as The Rock.
No, it wouldn't, no.
He doesn't even need the suit.
It's true, yeah.
They wouldn't put him in the...
He needs to be pretty big
but he can't be The Rock
because then what's the point?
What do you stack on top of it?
It's just him spray painting
himself with silver paint.
How big would he be if he had a metal suit on top of his regular body?
Ten feet tall.
Yeah, it'd be ridiculous.
Yeah, you're right.
And he's The Rock, so you need to see his face.
And Steel's got that mask.
Yeah, that's true.
There you go.
That's the show, Mason.
That's the show.
Tweet in if you can think of a good casting choice for Steel.
And not Shaq.
It can't be Shaquille O'Neal.
Or any other basketball player. Or Kobe Bryant.
I know he's retired or something.
Oh, do you hear they're doing a new Space Jam apparently?
Great.
Who cares?
Hopefully they'll keep the old website.
It's still around.
Okay.
Yeah.
I don't know what next week is.
If you have any thoughts on Civil War, tweet in through to us.
Yeah, let us know.
Let me see what's up, I guess.
I bet we've missed a whole bunch of stuff about Civil War.
Yeah, that's okay.
Yeah, it's good, man.
Well, it's the kind of thing where often for me, I know I have thoughts about a movie over time.
I mean, that's like anybody, I guess.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, do you reassess things?
We often have thoughts about subjects and topics.
That's certainly true.
Yeah, yeah.
Now, I've been a bit, I've got some stuff going on at the moment in my personal life Mason
yeah
I have to kill that man
absolutely
I can't specify who
no no
there's been some
health stuff in my family
so
and it's kind of up and down
so I might be
a bit sporadic
on some posting
or I might be dead on
I don't know
who knows
who's to say
so yeah
everything should work out
but just to give everybody
the heads up
so I should stop texting you
every 10 minutes?
Please.
Okay.
Unless it's really important, unless you need broccoli.
Yeah, thank you.
A broccalmergency?
What's the word?
Broccmergency.
I don't know.
Yeah.
So, like I said, yeah, everything's okay, sort of.
So I can text you a reply.
You can text me.
But yeah, so if I'm a bit sporadic, I apologize.
Just direct all your questions to Mason
and he will answer every one of them.
He wouldn't miss a beat.
Very unlikely.
Extremely unlikely.
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I'd imagine oh yeah
yeah we'll be a bit
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that's an official one
right that's on the
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I reckon that's it I think that's about it i'm just
with stuff i i'm gonna try and do a thing where i check comic book movie at the end of every show
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somebody make us a theme it says why didn't um, why didn't Iron Man go get the grown man, Daredevil,
instead of Spider-Man to help him in Civil War?
Really good question.
And they say that Tony doesn't have a television,
so he doesn't know about Daredevil.
But he also says, he's keeping tabs on the world,
and he knows tabs on the world, knows about this one kid.
In some way, there's motivation having been accused of killing a young kid
earlier in the movie so i
can maybe karmically rebuild something that i've lost there you go i'm gonna put spoiler tags all
through this actually now yeah all the way to the end yeah all right thank you guys that'll do it
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