The Weekly Planet - 153 Batman (Best, Worst & Weirdest Versions)

Episode Date: September 19, 2016

It’s Batman day or something! That’s a thing apparently. So we’re talking the best! The worst! And the weirdest version of the character!Plus a new look at Batman in Justice League, a first look at Commissioner Gordon, Harley Quinn getting a movie and Rogue One getting a new composer. Plus we get into the return of Paul Walker and why Marvel music seems to leave no impact on audiences.5:51 Caravan Of Garbage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNss5RWD6mY7:32 New Trailer World Record8:48 Paul Walker returning to Fast Furious franchise13:04 New composer Rogue One15:00 Marvel Music has no impact18:18 Netflix characters in Avengers Infinity War?20:18 Harley Quinn movie on the way21:56 First look at Commissioner Gordon22:34 New Batman tactical suit25:02 Best, Worst, Weirdest version of Batman1:13:01 What We Reading/What We Gonna Read1:16:51 Letters It’s Time For LettersBuy the Dark Knight Trilogy on Amazon: https://amzn.to/2pHkhkFPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesMr Sunday Movies YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/lB90W2The Weekly Planet YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHFind our T-Shirts here: https://goo.gl/q6gE9C Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Weekly Planet, official podcast of comicbookmovie.com where we talk movies, comics, TV shows. My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday. I mean, not really, not in like my real life. No, that's what I call you. Okay. Yeah, that's where you got the name from. One day you were like,

oh, I've got a funny little idea about where my name, you know, my name for the internet. I've been saying that to you for years. With bizzoids. Hey, Mr. Sunday Movies, I'd yell from a moving car. It was me all along. I didn't know that. It was.

With bizzoids, my co-host, Nick Mason. Real name everywhere. Yeah, real name everywhere. Hey, I know we normally do letters in our famous segment, Letters, later on in the episode, but I thought this is my favourite piece of correspondence from the week, so I thought I'd mention it up top. I texted it to you earlier in the week. You did?

You're going to enjoy this one. So basically, you know, James, you know how we love to have fun? We love to have fun on this podcast. Yeah, sure. We love to have fun, all right? Yeah, sure. We love to have fun, all right? Yeah, I guess. Do we or not? We do.

Great. Okay, we do. So anyway, you know, from time to time, we will pretend. We'll make a little joke that we're being paid off by Marvel Studios. Oh, yeah. Which is the only obvious reason why we would give Marvel movies positive reviews and DC movies maybe less than positive reviews. Sure.

Right. Well, this week we got a tweet. I won't say the name, but it says, at Mr. Sunny Movies, at Wikipedia Brown. That's us on Twitter. Yep. The problem is now you're both taking money from Marvel. That means you can't remain impartial.

Now our listeners, they get it. We're making a little joke. We get it. But I see this tweet and I'm like, oh, maybe it's a young fella. Right. They don't get that the old folks, us, we can make a little joke from time to time. Sure. We can be a bit silly. So I click through and I'm like, oh, maybe it's like a young fella. They don't get that the old folks ask. We can make a little joke from time to time. We can be a bit silly. So I click through and I'm like, oh, maybe I should be like, oh, no,

we're just kidding about that. So I click through and they've got 200 tweets and they all, except for that one, they all have some the next tweet says to at somebody, it says, JW, just wondering, if you could shrink your worst enemy to just a few inches in height

and you could do anything to them, what would you do? And the next tweet, it says, it's to at somebody, and it says, JW, just wondering, if you could shrink your worst enemy to just a few inches in height and you could do anything to them, what would you do? And the next tweet is to at somebody, and it says, JW, just wondering, if you could... Anyway, there's 200 of those.

Just the same. Well, there's some slight variations, some some people are like what and and they're like you know i was just wondering but anyway two two things thank you for tweeting at us three things thank you for tweeting at us too it feels good that we were the people to finally break the streak sure and get but also why not ask us exactly we'd have great. We'd have great opinions on what we'd do with our shrinking enemies. Shrenemies. Shrenemies. Exactly.

We'd make them live in a little dollhouse, probably. Oh, that's... I don't know what that is. I don't know what to make of that. I know, right? Bless. There's a lot of subtext. I think so.

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, what else is going on? Well, Mason, speaking of sub something great we did a sub podcast yes we've got four coming out every thursday the last one was last thursday it's we've got four coming out every thursday if we only produce one each thursday let us let us complain to us please do i just want to work it's called caravan of garbage yeah we're doing for this series we might do another series we might not it just depends on how on how it goes and basically

we look at something from the past and like discuss it like it might be something weird or bad sometimes even good there's a bit of good stuff in there as well

yeah unfortunately there's been some good stuff because it's kind of a tight schedule yeah and so I'm like oh this was going to be bad and then I'll

watch it or read it and be like oh that's actually kind of good so yeah thank you to everybody you know I was going to oh that's actually kind of good so yeah thank you to everybody you know i was going to say thank you to loot crate but thank you to everybody who subscribes to loot crate yes on our ticket because that way loot crate would be nice enough to be

like oh a lot of people who listen to the show have been subscribing so we'll they just backed the whole thing we'll sponsor these episodes yeah that was great so it's extra money for everybody specifically us. Yeah, right. Which is what I'm about. So there's an audio version which is extended and there's animated versions

as well. The animated versions are going to come out or they're animated or with, depending if we talk about a movie or whatever or a comic.

The first one's out Sunday so it's out right now but they should be every Thursday. And they're on your YouTube channel, Mr. Sunday Movies. So they're available two places,

different versions Mason. Pick your poison, whichever one you want. And they're on your YouTube channel, Mr. Sunday Movies. So they're available two places, different versions Mason. Pick your poison, whichever one you want. And they're shaping up really well. I feel Mason. Same. Let's do the show though. What are we doing? Let's do the show. Where are we? I mean, yeah, we're ready. We're recording right? Yeah, sure. Why not? Because I've said some gold. I said a thing about a thing somebody sent to us.

This isn't really comic book news but Fifty Shades of Darker, of Darker, the darkest one. Oh, yes. The sequel trailer to the first one. Fifty Dank Memes. Fifty Shades Danker. It's the biggest trailer debut of all time.

Huh. So the last one was Force Awakens with $112 million in 24 hours. This did $114. Wow. Did you watch it? hours. This did $114. Wow. Did you watch it? No. Really? I watched it.

Is it the same? It's the same two actors who don't really like each other or have any chemistry at all. It's those two, right? That's right. Yeah. Did you see the first one? No. Yeah.

I saw Fifty Shades of Black with one of the Wayans brothers. How'd that go? I didn't. I get why it's popular. But also, people who like this seem to hate the movie. So there's also that aspect of it. Do you think it's kind of like, well, this is a bit risque. I'm going to watch this.

Yeah, absolutely. Do you think that's what it comes down to? Do you think Force Awakens or the next Star Wars can get that back? Should be a bit more risque. Yeah. Okay. Okay, I get you. Good stuff.

So, yeah, that's not super interesting but no i thought it was interesting enough to bring it up at least uh lift your game star wars lift your game the most popular film franchise of all time well that's actually marvel now marvel overtook star wars in terms of money making all right paul walker's character might be returning to fast and furious uh one of his, Caleb, said he spoke to Vin Diesel about getting their blessing to bring the character back. And Universal wants to make sure it's respectful to Paul and his image and his family and let his fans know that he's still out there.

I mean, he's dead, obviously. He's not still out there, certainly. But what do you think about that? I mean, obviously, if the family gives it the go-ahead, that's an entirely different thing. But this whole idea of bringing back actors from the dead has been something that's been happening for a while. Even Bruce Lee's last movie is just like a weird couple together.

That's true, I guess, yeah. B-roll and off-cuts. There's so many scenes in his last movie where he's just at craft services making a cup of coffee and then the bad guy's like yeah get you bruce and then there's just dramatic music and he turns around with his styrofoam cup and it's like yeah what what's up no i don't know like uh i mean i guess there's precedent but i mean that's what the the issue is not that can they do it it's will that steal focus from the actual movie.

Like, if he's in a main character role, if it's more one of, you know, because they did it in the last one, if it's one of his brothers and they've sort of CGI'd his face on the top, every scene that he's in, I'm going to be like... Well, that's what I was in the last one, yeah. Which, is this what's going on?

Yeah, yeah. It's unpleasant. Yeah. And I'll be thinking about all the, like, I'll be thinking about all the other actors having to act against a guy who isn't Paul Walker, but they have to pretend he's Paul Walker. Sure. I don't know.

Maybe like as a cameo, I guess. Yeah. But like as a full-on character. First of all, that's very expensive. Yeah. And even- I mean, and the Fast and Furious movies are not known for spending money. That's true.

Very thrifty. They're certainly not going to drive a car out of a window in the tallest building in Dubai and then crash it through another window. Just a gold car, whatever it was. But even from like a moral standpoint, how do you feel about that? Even if the family gives a go ahead, do you think it's a good direction to go in for the future? Does it set a good precedent?

No, see, I feel it's no worse than anything else because there's been a lot of ads and things where the estate of a certain actor is just... Yeah, Bruce Lee ate a Mars bar. Remember that ad? Oh, that's right. Bruce Lee again. It's all Bruce Lee, isn't it?

Yeah, but that was cheating because they asked Brandon Lee about that. Oh, God. They weekended Bernie's to him. Sure, no problem. But I don't know. It doesn't sit well with me entirely. I think it's, and again, if the family are okay with it,

I might say, no, don't do it. But like down the line, where does it stop? No, but I think this is good in the sense that it's going to set that legal precedent okay they're not going to go like they'll there'll be some firm sort of contractual things yeah so they you know because otherwise there might be you know movies in the future where people are like oh that actor didn't want to that did actor didn't want to continue in this role so we'll just cgi like we got we we snuck in a line in the contract where we can just use his liken to continue in this role, so we'll just CGI. Like, we snuck in a line in the contract where we can just use his likeness forever in this role.

Right, right. And then just get another actor and CGI his face on. Like, at least with this, they can be like, you know, they set the precedent and be like, okay, well, in order to use this person's likeness, you need the agreement of his estate, you need to do this and this and this. That's fine.

I'm okay with it. You can also have dick family members that's also true as we all know I'm sure everyone's got that one guy I got that one guy well maybe you'll have to put in your will

like these people are allowed to sign off my likeness dad mum not uncle Alan I will eat no Mars bars I will only eat

Snickers bars Yeah I don't know I just think it's going to be I haven't had a Mars bar in ages Yeah I had a Mars bar ice cream the other day My friend Limba bought some round It was actually pretty good I had a fried Mars bar

That'd kill me I really reckon It's so good That would stop my heart I think because But what a way to go That's how Paul Walker went out It's not how he actually died.

It was the fried Mars bar that he was eating in a Lamborghini. Gotcha. Put him over the edge. I apologize if the family of Paul Walker are listening to this. They're definitely not. Yeah. So Rogue One has had extensive reshoots. We know about that.

How do you feel about that ethically? I'm okay with it. Okay, good. Me too. The music man, the man who's doing the music, that ethically? I'm okay with it. Okay, good. Me too. The music man, the man who's doing the music, Alexandra Desplat. That's probably not how you say it.

It's probably Desplo or something like that. No, it's Splatto. Splatto. He did like the Deathly Hallows. He's out now as the composer. And Michael Giancino or Giancano. I don't know how you say that one either huh depends on where you're from weird name out weird name in here we go uh he's taking over and he's done like some pixar stuff some marvel stuff uh and apparently it's to do because of the extensive reshoots and then obviously people get booked for another job and

someone and so forth so that's how that goes do you ever think that maybe they're just they're just like they've just gotten like an like Do you ever think that maybe they're just like, they've just got like an archive of old stuff and they're just like, you have this, have this. This will do. That famously, there's an electronic artist called Aphex Twin. Right. And one time he, and he's a famously loose unit. And he, one time he was asked,

I think it was to do a remix of like a Lemonhead song or something like that. Mrs. Robinson. Yeah, those guys guys the one song i know from right yeah exactly but they're like can you and they paid him a lot of money for it and then he just completely forgot about it and then like months later like a courier arrived at his house and like okay time to collect that lemonheads remix and he's like um and he just grabbed like a random like a random cd off his shelf of just like something he'd been messing with. And he's like, that's it. And then they were like, great, brilliant.

And that's out there now. They went like, that doesn't sound like the song. No, because he's known for like. Oh, because he's eccentric, so he can get away with that. He can get away with it. He just exploded the whole track and then brought it together and just in a genius way. Right, right.

So what I'm saying is... Just do that. Just get some John Williams B-sides. It's fine. Nobody will notice. Nobody will notice or care. It'll be great. Did you see the video this week?

It was on the music of Marvel and how it has no impact. A lot of people sent me the link and I didn't watch it, but I agree. Yeah, totally. You should definitely check it out. Like, how does the Avengers theme go? Yeah, I don't know. Like, if somebody were to play it to me, I'd recognize it,

but I couldn't sing it off the top of my head. The songs I recognize are like Iron Maiden's, I'm not Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath's Iron Man. Iron Man, right, yeah, exactly. That's the stuff that I recognize, like the pop songs. Well, that's not a pop song. Spirit in the Sky. Iron Man, right. Yeah, exactly. That's the stuff that I recognise. Yeah. Like a pop song. That's not a pop song.

Spirit in the Sky. Spirit in the Sky, exactly. The Guardians soundtrack. But we don't really talk about soundtracks. No. Because we're not really musically inclined. We've got bloody tin ears. Yeah, yeah.

So absolutely. There's no soaring Jurassic Park score or a Star Wars. Yeah, Superman thing. Or the John Williams ones. Yeah, right. There's no John Williams ones. Yeah, right. There's no John Williams one. Just get some John Williams B-sides, Marvel.

It's fine. Just show up at his flat early in the morning one day and be like, let's ask whether we're from Star Wars, not Marvel. And they could find something. Whatever. Just give us, and he'd be like, all right, here's some stuff. This will do. I found it really interesting, though,

because it talks about the way that they compose music nowadays is directors will often edit a movie to a temporary score, which might be just some kind of generic kind of music. It's the Beverly Hills Cop theme. Sure. It's Axl F to everything. That'd be amazing. Or it'll be like another film score right you obviously can't use

and so then when it comes to the composer making theirs the the creatives behind the film just go i just do a variation on this right so it ends up just being like a generic kind of nothing yeah and the other thing is that makes it more difficult like it doesn't because then you have to kind of do it exactly to what the, because oftentimes you'd have to edit to the music. Yeah. But in this case, it's the other way around. And also, yeah, and also in a lot of cases,

and I think sort of back in the day as well, it was just they put in the score. Yeah. And it was in the background while the action was happening. And now it is a lot more precise. Like the beats are happening as the beats in the movie are happening. Right, right, yeah. So, yeah, it's a real...

It's a real marvel of filmmaking. There we go. Is that it? Yeah, it's a real marvel of filmmaking. But what's the Superman theme now? I like the Hans Zimmer one. I think it's good. Which is?

I can't do it because it's more the kind of... Yeah, it's great, man. It's good. I'm not going to do it, but it's good. It's not as bombastic as the John Williams one, but I think it's good i'm not gonna do it but it's good it's not as bombastic as the yeah john moons one but i think it's great i think it's really good there's actually a good mash-up of those two of the original one and the new one i think the click track like the basic track under all movies should be the crazy frog theme and basically what happens is if you don't do a good enough score they just leave the crazy frog theming and then you're credited for it forever.

Do you remember? Because the Crazy Frog wasn't always the Crazy Frog. It was just like a sound bite that people would send around and be like, try not to laugh or whatever. And then somebody grabbed that and sampled it. I wonder if the guy who made that got any money for it. Who knows? Yeah, probably not.

Yeah, it was the Wild West back in the day. It certainly was in the mid to late 90s. Yeah. So apparently for the Avengers Infinity Wars, they're considering adding Netflix characters. Just considering. Yeah, nice. But is that a good idea?

How do you drop Daredevil in space and then put him back in hell's kitchen oh no i think maybe what you'd have to do is you would have to you'd need i reckon you'd have to have a space-based team and an earth-based team right right because if the avengers leave yeah like maybe the avengers leave and then thanos sends some ground troops to new y City. Some Chitauri. Yeah, exactly. Great. More of them. And some Ultron robots. Just bring them all back. Yeah.

Or like, yeah, or something. Or like a B-grade kind of Marvel Darkseid. Not Darkseid. Thanos. Thanos Underling. Yeah. Yeah. Like maybe he sends down a lieutenant and they mind control a whole bunch of, you know, ground level thugs.

Or they just beat him up yeah exactly wouldn't you like to see like the defenders beat up like a thanos style character yeah that'd be great but i think that and i and i think you know it and it could be a case of like you know the avengers the avengers finally defeat thanos or do they who knows where this universe is gonna go they're gonna beat thanos but then they come down they're like oh no we're gonna save earth and the defenders like yeah we we got it it fine. Don't even worry about it. Thanks for leaving Earth, you jerks. Yeah, I think that would work.

But also, it's an Avengers movie. It's a Marvel movie. It's not a Netflix movie. Right. So it couldn't be a massive part of it. You know what I mean? It'd have to be a very minor. Yeah, I think maybe just

some very brief cutaways back like yeah we're like i hope earth is okay and then they cut back and it's just jessica jones just thumping 100 people in a row you know what i mean sure something that'd be pretty great yeah yeah i would like to see them in subcapacity but i can see how that would be a that's a tough kind of balancing act yeah yeah i hope things are right on earth iron fist he has to say it every time he does uh margot robbie it's been confirmed will be producing and starring in a harley quinn movie what do you feel about that mason sure yep i mean she was probably the best part of the last one i mean the batman scenes yeah batman scenes i thought she was a really good representation of the character,

but I didn't think it always worked in live action. It didn't always directly translate. That being said, yeah, I thought she did really well. Yeah, I'll say this. And this is going to be, we talked about this earlier, this is going to be Harley Quinn

and more female superheroes from the DC Universe. Correct. So it said Batgirl. Nighthawk. Not a one, not one, not what not one hawk girl hawk girl there we go you nailed one by randomly putting together syllables you came up with a correct one yes uh they took yeah that's right that's what i meant to say and i they mentioned poison ivy i don't imagine say that but maybe yeah throw her in one where's the harm what

zatanna zatanna so does it sound like it's going to be like an anti-heroes movie again? I hope not. Yeah. I want to see Mad Love. Yeah, okay, sure. That'd be great. And you could, because Jared Leto's apparently not in Justice League because he's gone back to live in a cave or whatever he said he was going to do

because it wasn't that well received. But yeah, sure. I think Mad Love, I think if you've gone into a story story because i thought that was actually the best you're right that was the best part some of the best part of suicide squad was the harley quinn joker stuff yeah the on the origin scenes there's a whole there was a whole movie in there yeah that they maybe should have kept as a whole movie as opposed to there was either too much backstory or too little backstory there they didn't nail it is what you're. They didn't find that sweet middle ground. Correct.

Speaking of sweet middle ground, Mason. Oh, yes. Commissioner Gordon. Yes. First of all, Brian Cranston apparently turned down that role. Or he was in talks and he was like, I don't want to be in like seven movies. Right, uh-huh. Yeah.

I mean, who knows if he would have got it. He's got Malcolm in the middle money. Exactly. He can do whatever he wants. He can do literally whatever. But they released that Commissioner Gordon image. Did you see it just today? No.

It's on a Sunday, Mason. That's what time or day it is here at the moment. I should look down. It's him in a hat. It's fine. I'll just imagine that. Yeah. Because it's Batman.

He looks like Commissioner Gordon. It's Batman day today. You know that, don't you? It is. That's right. And they also released the image of the new tactical Batman suit. Yes, they did. Which is pretty good from the neck down.

That's how I see it. What do you think? Should have been more logo prominent. These suits, I feel, should be a little bit more logo prominent. You're right. That's very true. Yeah. But it is very Night Owl.

It's very Watchmen. It's the ears and the gogglesman it's the ears and the goggles it's the ears and the goggles yeah yeah what's he done with the ears why does he trim the ears down is it because he fears villains will grab him by the ears and flip him about maybe yeah yeah there's actually that's the detriment of long ears sure the uh scott snyder's doing a run of batman at the moment uh is a version of all is it all-star batman i think that's what it's called. I can't remember.

But anyway, there's a bit where like a giant villain grabs him and he pulls out the ears and their knives and he like stabs the dude like in the arm. It's pretty great. He's able to fire them in some versions as well? Yeah. Like shoot them off? Sometimes they have antennae in them. Yeah, yeah.

It's good stuff. Sometimes they contain his real ears. Just stuffed, wedged right up. Yeah, because in some versions, Thomas Wayne was a terrible doctor and delivered Bruce but stretched his ears out real bad, real unpleasant for him. That's why he's in the darkness. He spends his life in the darkness.

That's right, yeah, and he combs his hair over his ears. That's right. But as somebody pointed out to me on Twitter, and I'm sorry, I can't remember who, they said, isn't all of batman suits tactical suits yeah but some are more tactical yeah but how is this more tactical than these regular suit what does it do we yeah exactly because we discussed this earlier in the week in the last one he was shot in the head repeatedly and he was fine you can't get more tactical than that. You can't get any more tactical than being invulnerable to a bullet in the head.

So you're right, exactly. I guess it provides eye protection if somebody's going to shoot him in the eye. Right, yeah. I don't like those goggles. Because I saw that still and I thought, well, there was the goggles and the sparks. And I'm like, maybe he's forging something, but he's not. Sure. I don't know. That's theging something, but he's not. Sure. I don't know.

That's the thing. It's not in motion. We don't know what he's going to be doing with it. So it's probably fine. Yeah. And if they're retractable goggles, that's fine. Do you reckon they'll light up white? Nah, because we saw that last time.

We did too. We did too, Mason. It was more of a blue-white though, wasn't it, really? Yeah, all right. You got me on a technicality. Yes, fine. God. We have fun here, don't we?

Sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes we do. Well, Mason, seeing as it's Batman Day apparently, which is apparently a thing. And it's Tactical Batsuit Day as well. Because sometimes he wears a silken costume. Yeah.

It's not bulletproof. That's right. Why would you, though? To get around quicker to show off his abs show off your abs that's true

and that sweet V that he's got probably yeah we thought we'd talk like the best and the worst and the weirdest versions of Batman

and like Batsuits and just a whole lot of variations it's a Batman grab bag it's Batman grab bag it's the Batman grab bag it's the Batman grab bag so yeah we're just gonna we're just gonna

we've got some uh tweets that we're gonna read out uh towards the end of some of the the listeners favorites okay here's one that i have i thought was terrible like i think it's terrible i thought i was gonna start but okay we have fun in don't we? I was just thinking about this one the other day. It's not good, but I'm sure I have the prestige format softcover version at home. Right. At my parents' house in a box somewhere. Yeah. But it's... Did you ever read Superman Speeding Bullets?

Is that the one where Batman is Superman? No, Superman is Batman. How dare you? Sorry. You're an idiot. As if Batman would be Superman. No, in this one, Superman is Batman. How dare you? Sorry. You're an idiot. As if Batman would be Superman. No, in this one, Superman's Batman. But this is the version where Kal-El lands not in Kansas,

but in Gotham City and is adopted by the Waynes. Because Bruce is dead? That's a good question. I think they just didn't have a Bruce. Oh, I thought he was killed. Maybe I'm wrong. But why would they name the kid Bruce again? Oh, they named him Bruce again.

They named him Bruce again. Bruce again, yeah. Well, we tried, but... Hashtag Batman grab bag. We missed him. So here's Bruce again. But anyway, so they raise him, and then the exact scenario plays out again

where they're leaving the Zorro film, and there's a mugger, and Thomas and Martha Wayne are killed and then Batman incinerates him with heat Bruce incinerates him with heat vision

and then he becomes sort of a a more masked Batman like he's got the full face covering and he's but the problem is

anytime you give Batman too much power it's no longer fun. Yeah, you're right. Because he's got, I mean, sure, he can fly like a bat can fly, but he can also shoot heat vision like a bat can shoot heat vision. Like a bat can fly. Yeah, exactly, right?

And it's anytime it's- You've got to be careful how you level him up. And it's okay in terms of, like, because this is an Elseworlds and it's out of continuity and it's fine for five minutes. But then if you were to take that into the real world, the real world, if you take that into regular continuity, there's no more fun. No, you're right. His strength is that he's a regular guy to most extent. There is actually a comic as well where Batman gets Bruce Wayne's powers.

They swap. Batman gets Bruce Wayne's powers. He's bad at business. He's bad at business, but he's powers. They swap. Batman gets Bruce Wayne's powers. He's bad at business. He's bad at business, but he's good at delegating. I'm really tired. He's good at pretending to be asleep during board meetings. That's right. Fading sleep.

So the bad guys have like a big mob gathering. And they're like, what's Batman doing here? No, don't worry about it. He's asleep. He's got a snot bubble coming out. But so Bruce Wayne gets Batman's powers, but he goes mad. Right, okay, yeah. So he loses his smarts.

Yeah, okay. And then they end up having a battle and he beats him with kryptonite or whatever. Sure. It's fine. It's not what we're really talking about. I'm going to bring up something that was a little bit more now, Mason. Oh, yeah. The Jim Gordon Batman.

Oh, yes. So it's a mechanized suit. Armoured Batman. But underneath that, he's got like a sleek, sexy, runabout suit. It is sleek and sexy. Yeah. How old is that guy supposed to be? He's 45.

And he quit smoking and he does all his crunches. And shaved the mustache. He has to, yeah. How's he even Jim Gordon then? Well, yeah. Well, that's the thing. It exists in a storyline where Batman is dead. Yes.

Well, he's not, but you know what I mean. Is he off in time? No, that's a different one. He loses his memory and his skills and he's off helping kids in a rec center or something. Okay, sure. He's Kevin James. He's got to use his detective skills to save the rec center that's

right wow so it's it's like a batman like task force where he's got this whole it's the police have organized it okay they need a new batman and they go through all these kind of candidates and they're like well the best person for the job is is jim gordon uh-huh you know and uh and he's like i don't really want to do this and it's interesting interesting, but I would say it's the weakest run of that new 52, Batman. Yeah. I just, I don't really think. There were a lot of misfires in that whole. No, I don't think so.

I think it's a pretty solid run. I only meant in DC as a whole, that whole period. Sure, fair enough. Yeah. But yeah, it's interesting, but it's too long. But also the point of it is at the end that this guy shouldn't be Batman. Batman should be Batman. So it resolves itself that way.

He just doesn't have a clean-shaven face. He's got a mustache face. That's right. He needs to have a mustache. I do. He's got too much top lip. Yeah, that's right. He's unpleasant.

I do like the suit, though. The undersuit. The sleek suit or the armored suit? The sleek suit. The armored suit's too much. Yeah, it is too much. But it's also the point as well. It's kind of the point of the suit, though. The under suit. The sleek suit or the armoured suit? The sleek suit. The armoured suit's too much. Yeah, it is too much. But it's also the point as well. It's kind of the point of the story.

Yeah. So it's kind of, it's an example of why you shouldn't do that while they're doing it. Yeah. Look, I think, I also think speeding bullets at the time was that as well. Right. Like it's too much, like certain versions of Batman are too brutal. And I think that was kind of like. Yeah, yeah.

Because he's heat visioning dudes and breaking their legs and whatever right right yeah yeah um have you seen the hell bat which is no it's it's like a it's like a justice league forged suit of armor that that is for batman yeah when he's fighting people that are more powerful than him so everyone yeah so you can punch on with dark side and stuff okay yeah this is quite recent yeah okay right yeah it's got wings it's got and then see and again it's kind of it's one of those things where if you had it why wouldn't you use it all the time because he's he's all about the streets let's see exactly and the only the only detriment or the only weakness in the suit is like it's powered by your metabolism, so it'll drain your... Why would it be powered by your metabolism?

You can't use it too much because it'll drain your metabolism, so what, he'll get real fat if he keeps using it. Look, I'm eating right, but I can't... I can't shed these pounds, mate. I know. I can't fit in it anymore. But yeah, too much power. Too much.

I think it's more interesting when Batman takes on a character like a Darkseid or whoever, and he's just Batman. Yeah, exactly. It's way more interesting. Yeah, and he's using his smuts. Yeah, and he normally ends up being killed. Almost always ends up being killed or hurled through time somehow. Yeah, but he gave it a whirl, didn't he?

Yeah, he gave it a whirl. But that's what makes it exciting. Because you know he's probably not going to get the support. He's rolling the dice here. He's rolling the dice. Maybe he has something up his sleeve. Maybe he doesn't. Yeah, that's right.

Maybe it's bluffs. Yeah, exactly. Did you read Batman, Dracula, Red Rain? Yes, I did. I really like that comic. It's good, right? Yeah, so it's basically he gets infected with a vampiric virus. In order to fight Dracula.

Yeah, he chooses to do it himself. Yeah. Again, this is an Elseworlds. Yes, it is. Sorry, I should point that out. It's pretty fun. It is, yeah. The art's great.

I can't remember who it is, but it's real nice. It's from the 90s, yeah. Yes. And it does, at one point, he does hurl Alfred's severed head at a villain. Right. Because basically he acquires these vampiric powers and then he's like, well, now I've got him, I may as well kill everybody.

And so he just kills his whole rose gallery. Yeah. And then he's like, well, in a way I've ruined everything and I'm too powerful and I shouldn't exist. And so I believe Alfred and Commissioner Gordon stake him to death. Right, right, okay. But then the bad guys come, more bad guys come back and I shouldn't exist and so I believe Alfred and Commissioner Gordon stake him to death right right but then the bad guys come more bad guys come back

and they're like maybe we should maybe we need this guy and then so they unstake him which brings him back yeah and then Alfred's like

you can you can drink all my blood and serve him a head if you want that's your that's up to you it's up to you it falls in your court

uh huh yeah and he does yeah great but it looks great and it's super weird. Yeah, it is. I really enjoy it.

We've been talking 90s versions of Batman. Yes. What about Asriel? Oh, sure. What's the guy's name? Jean-Paul Vallée. Jean-Paul Vallée. Yeah.

He's one of my faves, if I'm honest with you. Why is that? But again, this is- It's intentionally- This was intentionally- Yeah. Because this came in the wake of the death of Superman. Yes.

And in the wake of a lot of grim and gritty stuff. Yeah, the Batman back break and whatever. Yeah, and it was sort of... You know, the versions of Superman we got were more extreme. And everything in the 90s was more extreme. Everybody had pouches and bionic arms and... Yeah, yeah. Bionic eyes and... Laser cannons on their shoulders. Laser cannons. Yeah, exactly. And everybody had a gun and bionic arms and yeah yeah bionic eyes and laser cannons laser cannons

yeah exactly and everybody had a gun and whatever yeah and apparently according to the editorial team so many chains yes ah i'll spawn exactly yeah image all of the young blood all those guys will sportatio but it was according to the dc editorial at the time, the Batman team, they were like, we will show you a Batman that is so extreme. Because people at the time were like, Batman's a bit hokey, isn't he? He's kind of with his underpants on the outside and he doesn't kill and he's, you know,

here's a lesson for you, Robin, kind of thing. And so they're like, okay, here's a version that's so extreme that you will be like, no, we don't want this. This is no good. And we actually prefer the original Batman. And I feel they succeeded. Definitely, yeah.

Though a lot of people seemed to like it initially, didn't they? They were like, yeah, this is it. This is what I'm about. Yeah, totally. And then it slowly became this, oh, no, this isn't fun. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't really enjoy the way it's resolved.

I guess, spoiler alert, where he takes him through like a tunnel and- In the Batcave, yeah. He's taken off all his armor and then he's like, I'm not Batman. I'm just a blonde guy with a mullet. That's how it ends. I've got Coke bottle glasses. I can't see a thing without my glasses. It's an interesting experiment.

Yeah, it is. Yeah. Because it's this guy who was raised from birth. He may have some gorilla DNA in him. It's very vague. I didn't know that. No, he does. And he's sort of raised from birth by this religious order

to be their avenging angel. He's got a big red baboon's ass. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. It's why you had to build a new set of armor. And the premise was that he's had all this... He's had this thing called the system built into him where he's been trained

and then he's been hypnotically programmed to forget that he's been trained. Yeah. And so they can just, they show up at his door one day and they sort of unlock the abilities. Because he's like a student. He's a uni student.

Yeah, yeah, that's right. And then all of a sudden, he's got all these karate skills and whatever. And like building a crazy batsuit skills. I listened to an audio book of that story. Nightfall, Night Quest, Night's End. Whatever it's called. All those three.

It's quite good. Right? Like, yeah, I was really surprised by it. And that book, I was going to say earlier, that also explains his multiple Batsuits. He's like, at one point, Batman, Bruce Wayne Batman, is like, oh, should I use the silky Batsuit tonight? Or should I use the, oh, this one?

Oh, man, so many options. It's good to have options. Absolutely, it does. Well, the 90s also brought us Batman of the Future, Terry McGinnis' Batman. Oh, yes. Which is a fan favourite. He's one of the ones that really stuck.

They don't always. So everybody kind of knows this, but what's Batman? Batman Beyond. I nearly said Batman Forever. Well, here it was called Batman of the Future for a while was it? yeah in Australia

that's what I have here in Australia it was called Batman of the Future oh wow that's probably why I didn't which is clunky and awful I don't know why they wouldn't call it

Batman Beyond yeah because it's not as clear as it is from the future yeah that's right maybe there's some sort of copyright issue with Beyond 2000

the Great Australian TV series. We've talked about it. We have, yeah. But I'm sure everybody knows this, but it's basically Bruce Wayne is forced to retire as Batman because he's getting too old. And then 20 years or so after that, crime in Gotham is rampant and Terry McGinnis, who turns out is Bruce's clone son. He's a clone, yeah.

But I think they changed that recently. They might have changed it back. I don't know. I haven't read it. But steals the Batsuit and starts doing some stuff. Yes, because Batman, in preparation, he's like, well, I can continue to do this forever if I build enough technology. And so he builds this new prototype Batsuit,

but he never gets a chance to wear it. No, I think he wears it in the first one. And then he's forced to pull a gun. Yeah, he wears like, I think he wears the gauntlets. Okay. He just wears the gauntlets, I think. Okay, right, right. Either way.

No, I think it's a really interesting continuation of the mythos. And apparently the people behind Batman at that time, they liked the animated series, but they wanted something the kids could get into. Okay. So they shopped around a whole lot of ideas and they finally settled on, because it's a continuation of the animated series.

Yeah. It's the same Batman. it's a continuation of the animated series. It's the same Batman. It's the same voice even as well. So I really like it from that perspective. And the movie Return of the Joker sees the original Joker come back and future Batman, Batman of the future, sorry, like fights him. And it's just interesting to see that he's different tactics to Bruce Wayne. I really like Terry McGinnis. It's a capeless suit, which is interesting.

And it flies, which I don't love. But it's the future, I guess. The future's fine. I'm okay. The further into the future it goes, the more okay I am with it. Because, of course, everybody flies. For a while, yeah, exactly, because he's got to meet the demands. Exactly, everybody can fly in that universe.

For a while, we went Batman Animated Series, then there was the Batman Superman Adventures. And in some versions of that universe they were for a while we went batman animated series then there was like the batman superman adventures right and in some versions that he's got a jet pack right like a winged jet pack and i'm like don't like it no thank you interestingly for me anyway maybe for nobody else at about the same time they did marvel did a cartoon called spider-man unlimited right which which is where spider-man went to counter-earth which is the earth on the exact opposite side of the sun currently to the regular earth which was created by the high evolution i know it yeah right anyway so he went over there but he stole like a prototype spot like an advanced spider-man suit which could also do like all the stuff that the batman beyond suit could do how many nanotechnologies it was many nanotechnologies did he have? It was all nanotechnologies. And he could turn invisible and, I think, fly and stuff like that.

It was a weird... But he was in the modern day. Yes. See, that to me is an... I remember that. But he fought, like, anthropomorphic animals, if that helps. No, not really. No, but that's the advantage.

He needs the advantage. Sure. But he's also... He has the powers of a spider somewhat. That's true, yeah. So does he really need it? I think it's a little too much for the present day. That's what I'm talking about.

But we're not talking about spiders. Speaking of Batmans of the future. Yeah. Have I talked to you at length about DC One Million? You've talked about it. Which is one of my favourite DC storylines, I feel, of all time. Please do it. But Batman One Million.

Yeah. It's 8585 000 years in the future ish yeah but anyway there's been 1 million batmans because so many have been killed that's right yeah exactly yeah don't don't think about how many robins there's been oh boy goes through like tissues in winter oh no good um but the batman of the 853rd century yeah he lives on pluto nice Which is a prison planet now. Right. And he's got-

Is he a warden of some description? Yeah, he's like a- Yeah, a warden, yeah. Yeah. But anyway, he gets propelled into the- He gets sent to the 20th century. Right. 21st century.

Who's to say? Not me. He's got a- I think he's an excellent version of Batman. Why is that? Because he's terrifying. Okay. Because again, he can fly.

Yeah. He can make duplicate versions of himself, like solid light hologram versions oh that that's great he can beat batman he can beat the 20th century version of batman in one punch i do remember that yeah i remember yeah in fact what he does because often that's batman's thing to beat someone in one punch right yeah so if you this guy holy moly yeah yeah but do you think he's not a guy that you wouldn't drop him in and have him replaced because it wouldn't work? But it's interesting to see him come back and then interact with modern day.

Yes, exactly, yeah. Like the modern day Justice League. Yeah, the idea being that. Is he a relation? No. I mean, it wouldn't even matter at that point, would it? Yeah, right. I mean, I guess everybody's related at that point.

Sure. Or not. I don't know how genetics works. We'll never know. Gorilla DNA. If you're science, email Moon Bomb. Yeah.

But the idea being that the Justice Legion, who are the future version of the Justice League, you know, 850... It's the same Superman, isn't it? No. Well, the same Superman

does still exist. He lives in the sun. He lives in the sun, exactly. But the version... He can't get into the Fortress of Solitude because he's got dna's too weak it's too watered down yeah it's so he's his descendant i believe he also contains

lex lutheran brainiac dna everybody's related genetics everybody's related genetics exactly it makes perfect sense but basically they come back to the 20th century and they're like hey guys it's the anniversary of of superheroes in the future and we're gonna have a future olympics to celebrate how great you are why don't you all come and superman the future and we're going to have a future Olympics to celebrate how great you are. Why don't you all come? And Superman, the real Superman, is going to come out of the sun and wave his big golden hand.

And Batman's like, fuck off. Yeah, Batman's like, this seems very suspicious and something bad is definitely going to happen so I decline. And the future Batman's like, not your call. And he punches him real good. And then he pulls his soul out of his body and he leaves his comatose body in the past,

like with no soul in it. Because future Batman can do this apparently. And then he sends him into the future into like a clone Bruce Wayne body. So he could trash it, I guess. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. But that's the thing.

That's why Batman fell asleep at that meeting. Yeah, got his soul pulled out. Soul pulled out. Oh, great. We should do an episode on that. What happened to that body? Who's to say? Yeah, but that's a really good question.

I guess in a way they kind of missed a trick because that version of Batman, like the present day Batman who's been sent into the future, did not ruin that body. Yeah. He should have been like, who cares and just torn it to shreds. Yeah i've just been like you know what i haven't had a drop of alcohol in my entire life yeah here we go it's party time yeah yeah i'm gonna put on that suit

that ruins my metabolism that's what i'm gonna do a suit called vodka here we uh have you read batman earth one uh i think I read the first issue. Right, right. The first volume. So these are standalone graphic novels. You know what? The thing about it is it's not different enough to me. I completely understand.

You know what it is? It's like Christopher Nolan's version. Yeah. That's what it is. So it's Batman where his tech kind of doesn't work and he's kind of an idiot and he's always falling off a building. Yeah, right.

And Alfred's always like, what are you doing? What are you doing? It's close to the real world yeah yeah exactly and you can see his eyes right through the it's really off-putting in a way but like it opens with him chasing a criminal across the roof and he fires his grappling gun and it just birds nests do you know what i mean it just goes and he's like yeah sorry and he has to get and he gets Lucius to like fix all his tech because he just doesn't know what he's doing

build him a Batmobile and stuff like that yeah yeah I like it but you're right I don't think it's you know what there is some really

interesting stuff because Harvey Bullock is this like Hollywood detective that's right he's from the LAPD he's transferred over yeah and he's got

he used to have a TV show where he's like a Hollywood cop and he comes to Gotham to make a name for himself he's like a Hollywood cop and he comes to Gotham to make a name for himself and he just gets ruined because of all like the horrible shit that he sees yeah

and that's why he becomes like an alcoholic and Alfred's a lot meaner yes like he's like a he's the Jeremy Irons version yeah he's the Green Beret kind of

he was a friend of Thomas Wayne's yep and then when Thomas Wayne dies it was like you're stuck with this kid and he's like no I don't want to do this and then he actually teaches dies it was like you're stuck with this kid and he's like no I don't want to do this

and then he actually teaches Batman to fight right yeah and there's a bit he's got a wooden leg and Jim Gordon teaches him to fight as well yeah

this Batman's terrible no he is he is terrible but that's also kind of why it's interesting there's a bit where Alfred fights him as a grown man

he's like you don't have what it takes to like when you're on the streets and Batman like sweeps his wooden leg and like breaks it in half. Oh yeah. Wow.

And then none of the villains are kind of like there's the villains, like the birthday boy. It's like a serial killer. Yes it is. Yeah. That's real. And there's a killer croc. Who's kind of not really a killer croc,

but he's also kind of nice. He's just kind of misunderstood. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. So I should go back to it. Yeah, I would check. There's actually two volumes now.

So you can check them out, Mason. And the version of Superman, the Earth One Superman, is Man of Steel. It's the Man of Steel story. Right. It's a movie pitch. That's what it is. But that's very odd because it's the Man of Steel Superman and the Nolan Batman. Yes.

Which should never mix. Because the parallels are so... I don and the Nolan Batman. Yes. Which should never mix. No. Because the parallels are so... I don't think they do. Yeah. I think they're set in different realities. Oh, I see. Right. I mean, maybe they're not, but there's not a lot of crossover.

Oh, I see. I thought you were saying Superman Earth 1 appears in... No, no, no, no. Okay, that makes sense. I'm saying it's a new... I don't love it. Is Earth 1 intended to be real Earth? Sort of.

Okay, right. Yeah, that's not... Okay. I wouldn't say that's entirely right. Because there used to be one called Earth of yeah yeah that's that's not okay because there used to be one called earth prime yeah and that was oh this is this is our world and we we read about these characters in comic books right but then it turned out super boy prime was from that universe prime yeah what's in his name it's in his name isn't it probably the giveaway what do you think of Owlman who's the the crime syndicate

from my parallel universe the James Woods version oh he is too voiced by James Woods I like that movie a lot is the owl really the natural enemy of the bat

that has been pushed on us a number of times if you read Scott Snyder's run then yes a court of owls owlman they're like the natural enemy they're both nocturnal

and they're both which would you rather fight a bat or an owl probably a bat i'd rather fight a bat as well you know it's a natural enemy of a bat a broom just swatting the bat out of the air yeah but no i like him he's a psychopathic version psychopathic version of batman his quest is to destroy the known universe and every other parallel universe that's his ultimate goal and batman kills him essentially it leaves him in a dimension and it explodes or whatever yeah he's real nihilistic like he's just like what's the point of anything if there's multiple earths why yeah why does anything matter yeah yeah

who's your favorite psychopathic version of Batman? Oh, I've got a list here. Hang on. You've got a separate list. You've got regular Batman. You've got them arranged via how psychopathic they are. He's probably not the most psychopathic, but I like Thomas Wayne.

I was going to say Thomas Wayne. Yeah, yeah. We've talked about him. What do you like about Thomas Wayne? The red costume and eyes? They're pretty good Sure I like his guns

He's kind of the Frank Miller Batman There's a lot of that in him I guess that's true Yeah Well, because he's older for one Yes But he's just also very Yeah, he's brutal in a way that regular Batman isn't

And he has guns Yes, he does have guns He has so many guns I wouldn't mind seeing Jeffrey Dean Morgan do that We've talked about it That's what I'm talking about, yeah. Yeah, in the bloody, in the live action. Should we talk about the Frank Miller version?

Sure. Sal from Comic Pop, which is great. They do a show called Back Issues, which is very similar to Caravan of Garbage. Some may even say better. Some say I subconsciously stole it, Mason. Yes. Who knows? But he mentions, he said the uh the dark knight

strikes again batman is pretty messed up so that's not the dark knight returns dark knight strikes again which is the first sequel to that yeah uh-huh where he's yeah he's got the he's got the army working for him and he's he beats up batman again for no reason and the art's terrible yes he's a way more yeah if you thought the first version was kind of extreme this is like next level madness frank miller insanity i guess that's the most is that the most psychopathic batman the frank miller one or that no i'm actually no frank miller is the most psychopathic sure what about the frank miller all-star Batman, Batman? Madness. Yeah.

It's just madness. Just madness. Here's one that I really like. Okay, roll. The Dick Grayson Dark Mirror version where Batman is... I can't remember why he's gone. It's also Scott Snyder, but it's a graphic novel. You can get it. Where Dick Grayson takes up the mantle of Batman and it's...

Is this in Elseworlds? Because he did it in the regular universe. No, this is real. This is real. This is just before they rebooted everything. Yeah. And I think this is why it's... He was back in time.

Yeah. Okay. I would have been there then. And it's great. It's really, really good. It's one of my favorite Batman stories. It's just... It's him being Batman.

It's interesting because the Joker recognizes him as not being Batman. Right. Uh-huh. Yeah. The Joker's very perceptive. That's right. Yeah. Does he recognize him as Robin? I think he does. Yeah. Right, uh-huh. Because of just... The joke is very perceptive. That's right, yeah. Does he recognize him as Robin?

I think he does. Yeah, I'm fairly... Yeah, because he probably just knows the way he moves or whatever. And he's more kind of lighthearted, obviously, than Batman. Dick Grayson is an amazing character and he's a great Batman. Because he was supposed to... That was a big push in the 90s when Asriel took over. Dick Grayson wanted it and Batman refused it.

Is that right? Is that how that went? Yes, yeah it and Batman refused it. Yeah. Is that right? Is that how that went? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. Yeah.

Also another editorial push in that era was potentially if you're like, I didn't really like Azrael I didn't like the way that went another option was to just take his bad ears off and call him Caped Crusader.

That's right. We've talked about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Terrible.

Okay. Who do you want Batman to be invariably I was going to say invariably replaced by but he's never going to be replaced yeah they'll just keep rebooting it so he's young again right but if you had to replace him with any version with anybody who would you have him superseded by definitely dick grossen not damian wayne because there's a good i like damian there's some good future versions of yeah totally there's a future batman version of yeah

right right what about you, Damian Wayne? Not for real. I don't think it would work consistently. Right. Because most future versions of Damian Wayne have done something really horrible in order to maintain this. Damian Wayne, the actual son of Batman, is so committed, always becomes so committed to maintaining the legacy of Batman and stopping crime and stopping evil that he becomes, he's just the lesser evil.

Yeah. Like he'll, there's a version that sold his soul to the devil in order to become immortal. Right, right. That's a cool version, but can you build a series around that? Not forever. Although you actually literally can forever. That's a cool version, but can you build a series around that? Not forever. Although you actually literally can forever. That's the thing. I guess you're right.

And there's a version that keeps himself alive with Lazarus Pitts. He wears like a mechanized suit, I guess. You never see under it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's something that's not good under there. Is that what you're saying? What about Tim Drake? Yeah, actually, that's what I was just Googling.

Has he been Batman? He must have at some point. There was that version you were talking about, the battle for the cowl. Yeah, yeah. I think he was very briefly. Because he's got, he's kind of the best of all the Robins. I think so.

In a way. I prefer Dick Grayson as a character, but he's probably the most equipped to do it. He's the most balanced. Yeah. He's probably the most the most equipped to do it. He's the most balanced. Yeah. He's probably the most technically skilled, like in general. He's the best detective. Is that true?

Yeah. He's potentially a better detective than Batman. I bet Batman disagrees. He could never admit that. But yeah, the idea has always been that Tim Drake will become a better detective than Batman at some point. Okay, cool. I like that.

But that's the thing. He's always been my... He's kind of always been my favourite version of Robin. Yeah. Maybe only because I grew up with that particular character. Right. I started reading comics just before... Just around the time that Jason Todd was killed, I think.

And so I've always been like, oh, this is my version of Robin kind of thing. And so it kind of irked me when they, at one point, I think New 52, they rebooted the continuity so he was never a Robin. He was always Red Robin. He was always Red Robin. He was like, don't take all that continuity away. Yeah, yeah.

He was Robin for like 10 years. He's got a stick though, doesn't he? He does have a stick. He has a stick and a sling. A stick and a sling. That's all you need. Yeah. I think it's Tim Drake. That costume was so awesome 90s anyway yeah have you heard the the story where i'm like it's robin but he's cool the outside bit of his cape is black

did you uh there's a there's a batman comic where i think it's a tim drake version of robin gets stuck in a car with the joker i'm you were going to say stuck in a cardboard box. Yes. And he's just stuck on this madcap adventure. Is he trapped in the boot? Yeah, no, because he's getting, I think it's Tim Drake. I might be wrong, but he's getting like shot at by thugs. And then a car pulls up and it's like, Robin, get in the car.

And he gets in and it's the Joker. He's like, shit. And the way it kind of unfolds, the Joker, it's a family car. And so Tim Drake's like, right, if it is Tim Drake, I should preface that by saying, he's like, this is a family car. There might be like a toy in the seat where I can uncuff myself. So he reaches in and he finds like a toy car and he's like, awesome. So he goes to kind of cut his ropes and the Joker's like,

ah, I got you, I put that there. He's like, I knew you'd look for it. But it's really great. It's really interesting. Again, if it is Tim Drake. Or if it isn't, it's still good. Even if it's real. Maybe it's not real.

What about The Midnighter? You know more about The Midnighter. I like The Midnighter, yeah. It's Superman and Batman if they were a couple. Together at last, I say. Here's the thing though, because he was put into, and I read the first

few issues of his solo series yeah well he so he was part of those two were part of the wildstorm universe which was which was an image imprint and then that was sold to dc and so they're like let's integrate these characters into the dc universe proper right i don't think they work no you think they're better off in their own you think they're better off in their own... I think they're better off in their own universe. Okay, fair enough. And also because this guy, this guy's like, he's supposed to be like Batman,

but times a thousand. Right. So how do you make Batman beat him in a fight? That's kind of the... Right, right. The rule that Batman has to beat him in a fight. Okay. Have we ever done Versus?

Maybe it's just a different Batman. We should maybe do that. Yeah. As a version. But they can't be too similar because otherwise it's just like yeah

well so the Midnight is he's got like enhanced strength and speed and endurance and he can see enhancements yeah like he can see

if somebody's got superpowers or oh and he'll know how to combat that yeah and he can also he's got a like a like a fight processor

in his brain has he got a can-do attitude because I think that's the most important thing to have yeah it's kind of a grizz a can-do attitude? Because I think that's the most important thing to have. Yeah, it's kind of a grizzled can-do attitude. Okay, all right. Yeah, but he can sort of, he can calculate how a fight's going to go a million ways.

Like Sherlock Holmes. Like Sherlock Holmes. He's got a mind palace. He calls it Midnighter's Mind Palace. So in a way, Batman could not beat him in a fight. Right. Because he's calculated every single way to win. Okay beat him in a fight. Right. Because he's calculated every single way to win. Okay.

And you don't like that. I don't like it. Or not the way it's done. Although, in the past, midnight isn't... Like, canny people or, like, tech people have managed to switch his enhancements off. Okay. And then he's just a regular guy. Right, right.

So that's how Batman would do it, I would imagine. Yeah, he would. What about this one? Okay. Earth-10 version of Batman is a Nazi. Oh, Leatherwing. That's all we kind of know about him. He's very briefly in it.

He's very briefly in it and he's a creep. Yeah. Which is weird. Who would have thought a Nazi would be a creep as well? He looks exactly like Batman. He's got the same suit. He's got a Nazi logo. He has the Batman logo and then the Nazi logo over it.

He kind of sidles up and like... Swastika, we know what it's called. Yeah. We don't call it the Nazi logo. It's the Nazi logo. You know, like the Nike logo, you know?

And yeah, and he hits on like an alien girl or something. He hits on Forerunner who is like the... She's like a dimension traveling lady. Right.

She was part of the crisis on Infinite Earths which explains why she's in this parallel universe, I guess. And he's like, look, I'm not normally for dating outside of my species but because you know because i'm a nazi

yeah but and she's like get out of here yeah that's a weird universe i can't remember how did that universe come about i feel it's kind of no idea the nazis won world war two and then everybody just rolled over everyone's a nazi like superman's just like i guess i'm a nazi now hey if we're going to talk about weird regimes yeah i guess we could talk about injustice batman but he's not that interesting but he's batman but it's things have gone bad yes which is most most he's still batman yeah but i was gonna say what about the batman in red sun superman i love that batman i got him down here yeah he's not Bruce Wayne though no exactly he's not Bruce Wayne

and why does he exist yes good well he exists because of the regime of Superman but because here's the thing because we

in the Red Sun universe Kal-El's rocket lands in like a work farm in Soviet Russia yeah and so he's raised by the Soviet state

and he believes in Soviet ideals yeah but all the other all his villains yeah quote unquote villains are from the US so Lex Luthor's raised by the Soviet state and he believes in Soviet ideals. Yeah. But all his villains, quote unquote villains, are from the US. So Lex Luthor's still in the US. Yes. Hal Jordan's from the US. Yeah.

All these guys. Why is Batman in Russia? Why is a Batman a reason? Because they wanted to put him in the hat. Yes. That's really why. They wanted Batman in the furry hat. You're right.

So clearly there's a guy who's been orphaned by this regime. Yeah. His parents have been killed. And he's like, what would Superman fear? A bat. A bat and a hat. A bat and a hat. Exactly.

Terrifying. How do you deal with a bat and a hat? You can't. You can't do it. I like the way he beats him, though. And he does beat him. He hits him with red light. And Superman doesn't know that it affects him. He's like, what are you, an idiot? And then Batman just beats the shit out of him. He hits him with red light. And Superman doesn't know that it affects him.

He's like, what are you, an idiot? And then Batman just beats the shit out of him. But again- For a time. For a time. Well, Wonder Woman saves him. Because he's like, I'm just going to lock you in this basement forever. And then Wonder Woman breaks her lasso of truth and gets real messed up to save Superman.

And then Batman detonates the bomb on his heart or whatever. Because he's like, I'd rather die than be a weird zombie or whatever. Which is what they do that's great I like that book man it's really good yeah I mean sure it's more a Superman

themed book but whatever yeah whatever whatever man what about what have we got here Kingdom Come is kind of just Batman

but he's old he's old and he's in a neck brace but he's more because of Whiplash is he? no I don't know probably because he's been I thought the villain Whiplash was like no he's Marvel probably because he's been because of whiplash is he no i don't know probably because i thought the villain whiplash was like no he's marvel yeah probably because he's been crippled repeatedly

probably that'll do it yeah i think that version of batman is a more accurate future version than the the frank miller one like that's probably what he'd more likely become retired and retiring in an army of yes then then like the insanity that the Frank Miller. Also, he's like 75, 80. He's pretty old. Are you familiar with Batman Year 100? I tried to get through it once. I really like it. Yeah.

So it's 100 years in the future. All the capes, as they call them or whatever, have disappeared. And this is still the original Batman. Well, it's ambiguous. Yeah. His name is Bruce Wayne. It's a it's ambiguous yeah it's his name is bruce wayne it's a very interesting art style yeah it is it's kind of like um what's that terrible charlie staron movie which is based on a 90s cartoon aeon flux yeah it's like that it's like the aeon flux

you're right it's mtv's liquid television yeah yeah and batman just shows up and he's not enhanced really he's kind of like he's a hundred yeah or is he no i up and he's not enhanced really. He's kind of like- He's 100. Yeah. Or is he? No, I mean like he doesn't have any, like he doesn't have a lot of future tech. And he's just wearing like a cloth suit.

And he's just tearing across, he's tearing through guys and like jumping across rooftops like further than anybody should be physically able to jump. And it's a very bizarre story, but I really, really enjoy it. And it's it's a very bizarre story but i i really really enjoy it and it's commissioner gordon from it's commissioner gordon's great grandson who's also called commissioner gordon i think is after him that's his birth name yeah and they go through the records to find batman and they find like a picture every 10 years and it's a different era of batman oh

yeah okay and it's kind of implied of batman oh yeah okay and it's kind of implied that batman for some reason is now now immortal and he's decided to show up in this weird probably don't mean yeah well it could be yeah who knows but uh i like it yeah yeah do you yeah i love uh i love uh anything that sort of honors the tradition of here's all these weird versions of batman there's a a Batman I don't think it's the animated series I think it might be the series after that

right right where it's a bunch of kids discussing what they think Batman is like yeah that's cool and they all go through and there's a very flamboyant kid who describes

the Josh who made the Batman universe there's a comic and that's also an animated series did you say that yes I think so yeah good stuff

I was going to say do you remember Batman Digital Justice no I don't it was the is it set in the internet or something no it was the

second fully computer generated it's fine it's no Iron Man Crash which is the world's first fully computer generated

graphic novel I bet that's which was great was it really I liked it alright then that didn't last long did it yeah what about I was going to say that because in graphic novel. I bet that's... Which was great. Was it really? I liked it. All right then. That didn't last long, did it?

Yeah. What about... I was going to say that because in Digital Justice, Batman is James... is Commissioner Gordon's grandson. Oh, that's interesting. I like that. I like a Batman

who's not just like, it's just sad. Yeah, exactly. Like it's somebody else who's done it. And the villain is the Joker, but he's a computer virus. In the internet.

Yes. Good stuff. Now, the internet's a computer virus. In the internet. Yes. Good stuff. Now the internet didn't exist then. This is bloody 1990, I think. Okay. 91 or something like that. So it's, I don't even know.

It's a series of linked LAN computers. Yeah, I don't know. It's just teletext. He's loose with the teletext. How will I find my weather information? He's printed himself off in this fax machine. Bat-mouse. You love that weird universe, don't you?

From the funny animal universe, sure. Why is he bat-mouse? And not a bat. Just bat-bat. Are you an idiot? You can't be bat-bat, caddy. No. Would you count man-bat as a version of Batman? No.

No? No. I mean, I know he's not, but like, where do you think that stemmed from? Do you think they... They went, what's the reverse of Batman and Man-Bat? Yes, I absolutely did. There is a reverse Batman, though, like a Bizarro Batman. Prometheus?

I can't remember. I know there is, though. There's a Bizarro Superman. There is a Bizarro Batman. Oh, Bizarro. Okay, right. Yeah, okay, sure. Yeah.

He's just turned inside out and his parents are alive though oh great swings and roundabouts they just constantly just pat whatever's yeah okay I was gonna say

the reverse Batman is Prometheus okay who is the who is a the son of two crazed like they were like

spree criminals like killers and burglars and whatever and they're killed by the police oh that's right yeah and he and he grows up to hate law and justice yeah so he builds a kind of a he goes around the world training like batman and he gains all sorts of weird gimmicks and gadgets and he builds a kind of a suit yeah and then he's in his first appearance uh in his first appearance the justice league are like hey we want somebody to come up

and visit our our base on the moon you know invent a superhero and make the costume and kind of right and and you can maybe you'll be the winner and and you can come up and visit and so a guy called retro a guy just a big fan of the justice league invents a character called retro who embodies like retro values and he's all about being a fun, honorable superhero. Being a good guy. And then Prometheus just murders him and takes his identity and then goes up into the moon base and- Just wrecks shit.

Just wrecks. Yeah, just wrecks all kinds of- Yeah. That's kind of, that's Mark Miller's nemesis as well. Miller's nemesis. Oh, yes. It's a similar kind of thing. That's a version of Batman, yeah.

Yeah, in a way. In a way, we're naming all kinds of versions of Batman. In a way. I think this is my last one. Okay. Gotham by Gaslight. I was just going to say Gotham by Gaslight, so maybe that's our last one.

Okay. It's a good one, I feel. So it's steampunk Batman. That was the first Elseworlds. It wasn't even called an Elseworld. Was it? Well, it wasn't. This was pre, because DC for many years had Elseworlds,

like their version of Marvel's What If. Yeah. And this was the first one. This was, I think, the first parallel universe, alternate universe thing after they got rid of the Infinite Earths. Right, okay. And so it wasn't even called Elseworlds at the time. But it's real.

It's real good. It's great. And it's Mike Mignola, so it's got this great stylized art. And again, if we're talking about Batman kind of doesn't work the further into the future you go and the more technology you give him, I feel this worked so well because it's a world where people are terrified by men dressed as bats. You would not see that coming.

No, you really wouldn't. He doesn't need all the technology. He's just... It's also like a Jack the Ripper story. It is a Jack the Ripper story, yeah. It's really interesting. Great art. I like it.

He wears a nice cape. Does that look like a cape slash coat? He's got goggles, which is the most steampunk thing you could wear. Ah, so steampunky. Actually, there is one more that I can think of. It's the version where Bruce Wayne's a mad scientist and he creates a Batman Frankenstein monster. From his dead dad.

Yeah. Yeah, Castle of the Bat. I remember that. That shit, though. In a way, sure. I can't remember. Yeah, Castle of the Bat. I remember that. That shit, though. In a way, sure. I can't remember. I don't remember loving it when I read it. Great cover.

Yeah, sure. Good stuff. All right. Well, Mason, I can't imagine there being any more than what we've brought up. We've named every single version. That being said, let's go through some of the ones that we've got on Twitter. Oh, yeah. There's a version.

I've never actually seen this version, but there's a version where there's a Superman storyline. I haven't read it, but I should maybe check into it because the art looks great. It's a version where Superman is thrown into a parallel reality where the Earth's sun has been altered, so it's always generating electromagnetic, like a massive electromagnetic field,

so no technology works anymore. So Batman's like, well, I don't have any crime fighting technology anymore i'll switch to crime fighting magic so now he's like uh well he would i guess yeah right he's like a sorcerer now it's pretty looks really good uh obi-jan says also has a dragon that's his new batwing i guess just a dragon just to have he has a dragon obi-jan says all-star i'm the goddamn batman is the worst wolverine 90s mashup oh dark you know what i think we've discussed it before in a way it's no good but i enjoy it only because they did the they did the original dark claw one shot yeah which was super 90s yeah and again it's you give batman too many powers and where's the fun yeah but then they did in the next run of those Amalgam comics,

they did The Adventures of Dark Claw, which was in the style of the animated series. Oh, okay. It's so good. I think you've talked about that. Yeah, we've definitely talked about it, but I like it a lot. Amit R says, I think Nazi Batman takes a cake for the worst Batman. Yep.

Yeah, probably. Connor Dudry says, Yael Stewart's JL8 Batman Bat Kid is one of my favorites. And he's also the weirdest, I guess. Bat Kid. Might be a clone. Let's find out. Calvin Edwards, Brave and the Bold Batman is definitely the best. A lot of people like Brave and the Bold.

Yeah, no, that's true. I've not watched a lot of Brave and the Bold. I really should because it looks super fun. Oh, this is a good one. Josh Bishop says, Grant Morrison's Zur-er. Zur-en-er. how do you say that zur and ah which was uh sometimes grant morrison goes a bit far in my opinion sure in terms of just mining the silver age and going i remember that thing that was mentioned in one panel

yep 40 years ago i'll make a whole storyline about it and it's basically batman batman has his mind wiped or something like that. Yes. And he's got a backup. He's got a backup personality. In case he gets brainwashed. Yeah. So he got,

so he got brainwashed and then. He goes and he finds a, makes a bat suit out of a weird Technicolor bat suit. Oh, bad kids like a web comic. Yeah. I've read that. Okay.

Okay. Yep. It's fun. Noah says my personal favorite Batman is a Lego one in that movie about Legos. That is a good, it's really good. Youic. Yeah. I've read that. Okay, it's good. Yep, it's fun. Noah says, my personal favourite Batman is the Lego one in that movie about Legos. That is a good, it's really good. You should watch it. I should.

And I'm really looking forward to that Lego Batman movie. Again, my favourite Batman is probably the animated series Batman. Yeah. We've talked about it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, we, yeah.

Can't really go wrong. The Stan Lee version, Spongus says, where his suit looks like a real bat. Yeah. Yeah. He's African American also. suit looks like a real bat. Yeah. Yeah. He's African-American also. Is he?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. There was a whole, DC did a thing many years ago. Let's make them all black. Was that what it's called? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

No, it was where they got Stan Lee to reimagine. Oh, no, I know this. All various. To varying success? Yeah, I would say so. I mean, they're all one-shots. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure.

Imagine a man and he's a bat. Yeah, he literally looks like a bat. Yeah, yeah. Julian says, the Clooney one sure bat-nippled my interest right in the bud. I don't know what that means. Of those super bizarre, of the Kilmer Clooney years, I feel the Clooney sonar suit is the best one.

The best looking. Yes. That sleek design. And it's like silver. It's got all the silver. Sure. I think it looks great. I mean, it's no good, but it's great.

Yeah. The Adam West Batman, Kyle Davis says uh has never heard of it uh carrying ridiculous things like sharp propellant and scaling scaling buildings in daylight yeah we've obviously missed a lot of really big ones big fan of the chinese animated version of batman that could probably fit in a few characters oh have you seen that categories it's a it's an animated short and it's like a very it's a very kind of traditional Japanese stylized anime. It's not even, it's like, it's not anime style, but it's sort of in the style of like Japanese kind of art from centuries ago.

It's like animated. And he fights, he fights Bane with the help of Catwoman. Right. It's kind of cool. All right. Not against it. Okay, great. Nick says, I grew up with Batman Beyond, so I'm a huge fan of that.

Done it. Would really love to see Keaton to return as Bruce Wayne in a live-action film. Me too. That's interesting. Love Conroy in Batman, Terry McGinnis in Batman Beyond. Paladin is definitely the weirdest as he uses guns and kills, like in BVS. That's from Joel? Never heard of him.

I'm not looking up. That Paladin. Yeah. P-A-L-A-D-I-N? I've skipped it. I'm way ahead now. I don't. Yeah. P-A-L-A-D-I-N? I've skipped it. I'm way ahead now. I don't know where it is. You can't remember a word?

Nah. Worst Batman. This is from Scott. Would have to be when Joseph Gordon-Levitt, when he took up the mantle in The Dark Knight Rises. He sucks bottles. Okay. Classic Robin Blake.

Yeah, yeah. This is from Timothy. Best Conroy. Worst Clooney. Weirdest. The one a joker dressed as a batman from the batman have you seen that no it's interesting it's actually really interesting whatever happened with remember when they when suicide squad came out and they released that hot toys version of the joker wearing the batman yeah yeah what happened there well they just released it officially. Okay. I don't,

I, I maintain that that was going to be in the movie. Okay. Cause that's the only example of a, of something like that being made. And then it not appearing in the movie. Hot Toys has never done. I've never done it.

They've never gone off script. Yeah. I'm like, maybe, maybe it's, maybe that's not the case, but yeah, I just think it's very strange.

Cause a lot of stuff got cut from that movie. So yeah. Uh, Glanosaurus, Glanosaurus Rex says, I know it it's very strange because a lot of stuff got cut from that movie. Yeah. Glanosaurus Rex says, I know it's not targeted at me, but the Batman Unlimited version is dreadful. I don't know that one. Neither do I. Orbital Axolotl says,

Best Batman is Arkham City. Worst is probably All-Star Batman. People really hate All-Star Batman. Yeah. A couple more? Sure. No more. Talking Jack says,

Bat Baby or Rainbow Batman is the weirdest. Bale Batman is the best. Oh, Rainbow Batman. Yeah. That's your classic 1960s thing. Yeah. Where it's just like, something's happened and I have to wear a different coloured Batman

suit every night. No, you don't. You're fine. You absolutely do. Oh, my God. joel rat has done some amazing art which i'm just going to retweet right now of us and during the podcast mason normally i wouldn't do this oh yes i don't check my twitter during the podcast except i'm literally literally doing it now there's a fan-made video on youtube called death of batman where he gets

raped by a heroin addict jesus no I'm going to say not my favorite. Having not seen it, I'm going to go out on a limb and say probably not my favorite. Okay, this is a good one. Hayden Wells says, this is my favorite incarnation of the Dark Knight. And he's just got a picture of Night Owl. Very good.

Good stuff. Yeah. Thanks to everybody for all of those things. We appreciate it, don't we, Mason? Yeah. We appreciate it so much that we're going to treat you to the next segment of this show. Yeah. Which we call What We Reading.

What we're going to read. I'm doing the thing. What are we reading today? What would you, did you, have you, are you reading? Oh, what I read this week. I got the first issue of the new Doom Patrol. Okay. Which is by Gerard Way.

Who you might know as the former lead singer of My Chemical Romance. Oh yeah, he writes comics now. Yeah, he does. He also wrote The Umbrella Academy. He did a Spider-Man comic. Yes, he did. Mech Spider or something in the future. I don't know.

Yeah. Anyway, he's good. He's a good fit for this. Yes, he did. Mech Spider or something in the future. I don't know. Yeah. Anyway, he's good. He's a good fit for this. Well, here's the thing. I had a lot of fun with his first issue. Yeah. But as someone who read the super weird Grant Morrison version from the 80s and some of the stuff from the 60s, I had no idea what was happening in this. So I cannot imagine.

If you're going into this blind, you have no idea what any of these characters are. You have no idea what's going on. But I think that's kind of part of the fun. Because you get cutaways to past characters, and if you didn't know who they were, you'd be like, what's the context of this kind of thing? Some old characters and some new stuff and what have you. So basically, it's called Young Animal, which is the line.

It's kind of like the new Vertigo comics. I think they're going to be in continuity, but they're not really going to interact with the rest of the DC universe. They're in continuity, but they're not in continuity. Exactly. You know what I'm talking about. I do now. They're continuatists, but they're not in continuity.

You know what I mean? But basically, it's about the... So far, we've seen it's an EMT, like a paramedic, and an ambulance driver, and they're a good team. They're kind of like loose cannons. And they encounter Cliff Steele, Robot Man, who escapes from a parallel universe that's inside one of their kebabs. So it starts out pretty weird.

That's a jumping off point. Yeah, so he escapes from it, and then he's hit by a truck, and he's blown up all into pieces and then she collect the the paramedic collects all uh the ambulance driver collects all the pieces and takes them to her apartment and another character shows up and bloody maybe flex mentala is going to appear later and that's all it's a bloody that sounds too complicated yeah it's really complicated if i'm honest with you but i think but you like it yeah yeah i mean i really like the umbrella academy so it's probably probably gonna be pretty good good stuff yeah i'm uh in the middle of reading a book called star wars bloodlines

oh yeah which is do you love your star wars i do do you like star wars politics no then you won't like the worst part of star wars this explains all all the... It's a Princess Leia story and it's set six years before the Force Awakens and it explains all the politics in the universe. And this is in continuity. It's in continuity. Okay. And it's kind of...

It talks a little bit about... Like you get glimpses of where Luke and Han and Kylo Ren are before all the events leading up and how the Senate is divided and how nothing's kind of getting done because there's almost too much democracy and nobody's making a decision. It's interesting.

If you love politics, Mason, fictional politics, in a universe where the politics has been nothing but terrible, this is perfect for you. Sounds bad and I don't like it. I like it. I was going to say also there's an appearance, there's an allusion to in Doom Patrol, There's an allusion to, in Doom Patrol, there's an allusion to,

he's going to make an appearance, Danny the Street. He's probably my favourite Doom Patrol character. Danny the Street? He's a street. Like he's a... He's a sentient street. Can he move? Yeah.

Like from city to city. It's like Doom Patrol's mobile base of operations. Okay. Is he the houses in the street? Or is he just the road? He's whatever they need, basically. Okay, then. Yeah he's a he's a transvestite but that's not really what is that fact who knows it's a weird universe man look man you can be whatever kind of street you want that's what i'm saying that's none of my business yeah what's the time for now very good mason sorry i didn't realize now i'm here right

now we're gonna do letters i played it out of my phone you did it again and it was dead on this is from eric mcneigh listen to episode 57 uh where we talked son of the knee where we talked about christopher nolan movies probably uh did you know that was a remake uh did you know that Listen to episode 57 where we talked about- Son of the knee. Where we talked about Christopher Nolan movies. Probably. Did you know that was a remake? Did you know that a remake of Memento was in the works? Hashtag weeklyplanetpod on Twitter. That's how you reach the show.

Have we talked about this? I'm sure we have. No, we haven't. Well, maybe I wasn't listening. Memento is being remade. What's Nolan doing? Like, is he part of it? Probably just getting the money.

Yes, probably getting the money, yeah. I don't mind reboots or remakes or whatever but you've got to bring something new to the table right and it's not like memento was like a misstep and there's an opportunity to make a better version of it yeah or if it was like because it's not a movie from the 60s no where you could be like oh let's make a really tight like a really tight, tense version of this and cut out all the fat or whatever. Wouldn't it come out in 99?

Yeah, 99, something like that. Maybe 2000, yeah. Leave it. We just did it. What are you doing? And it's great. And the thing, it's a movie that has some twists and turns. Yeah.

So what are you going to do? Do the same thing? Do the same thing or do twists and turns, which will inevitably be not as good. Yeah, exactly. So what are you going to do? Do the same thing? Do the same thing or do twists and turns, which he'll inevitably be not as good. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, I'm against it. Yeah. Until I see it and maybe it'll be okay.

Yeah. I don't hate reboots and remakes. I think they can be done really, really well, but there's got to be a point to it. Yeah. And what's the point of this, Mason? There's no point. Yeah.

This is from Noah Davis. point of this mason there's no point yeah that's from noah davis when they put jason momoa in uh black white uh makeup for the crow and he's still buff won't he look like a discount lobo yeah he will he will that's a very good point that being said mason yes i think the reason they because we talked about how how do you make the crow not look ridiculous because he's goth yeah sad and goth yeah yeah and the way you do it is you hire a giant scary man to do it that's like with aquaman they're like we don't want people to laugh at aquaman so we just hire this terrifying looking person yes like that that's obviously why they've done it right uh do you think this is going to work speaking of rebootsots and remakes. Because The Crows doesn't really need a reboot.

I think you could do it as a sequel. Yeah, but when was the last time you saw The Crow? Not in ages. Not in a long-ish time. Yeah, I'm fine with it. I'm not precious about the... It's not a movie that I'm like, oh, I loved it so much.

I'm just going to... You're happy to see The Crowverse get rebooted? Yes. Yes. Hey, did we mention... why not do a sequel though because it's the mantle isn't it yeah that's fine

I was gonna say we didn't mention this but Alan Richson is Shazam is he there's a guy called Alan Richson

when did this happen today we got tweeted a couple of times says he's playing Shazam opposite Dwayne Johnson's Black Adam. Interesting. I don't know who Alan Rich... Rich didn't play the CGI version of Raphael in the Ninja Turtles movies.

That's a strange choice. I know this guy. He also played Aquaman. He was Aquaman in Smallville. All right. It's speculation. It's like, could he be playing it? So I just got to look at what he said.

Okay. Somebody asked him in like a Reddit or something, are you playing it? And he went, yup. So that'll do it. Good enough for me. It's been almost two years since Dwayne The Rock Johnson took to his Twitter account to announce that he'd be playing Black Adam.

It's been two years. Yeah, it may have just been an off the cuff kind of. Yeah. You know what? He looks like a fine young gentleman. I'll'll take it do you think you need someone who's not super famous yes like otherwise is it because you want a specific look and super famous people they have their look you're right find us find somebody who's got the look and i think he's got it he's 31 he's a good age for it right good stuff great stuff. Great abs. Some of the best. Yep. Also, I'm going to request that they shrink him down for like the kid version, for Billy Batson.

Like the Captain America technology. Yeah, but in reverse. Shrink the body down, keep the face the same. Benjamin Button that bro, man. Yeah, yeah. Last question. Lucas says, Should the James Bond franchise return to the 50s again?

That is a very good question. I mean, the Connery ones aren't set in the 50s, Mason. I just want to point that out. But I want to point out that the books are set in the 50s. And I want to point out that the very first version of James Bond, Jimmy Bond, was also set in the 50s. Well, I want to point out something that I've been on my mind for a while is that Daniel Craig looks like a potato.

How dare you? No, he does. He's the world's greatest actor. I think that would be good. There's a version, I think we mentioned on the show before, there's a version, a comic book version

written by Warren Ellis called Varga. Varga, yeah. And he's done two. He's done Varga and there's one out now which is set in the modern era, but Varga was sort of set in a sort of a vague... It does have kind of robot arms and stuff.

Yeah. It could be set anywhere. Yeah, yeah. I'm okay with that. There have been some novels released in the last few years that have been set in the 60s. Sure. I think they're a lot of fun.

Yeah, I think that might be the... Like, if you want to kind of differentiate... Yeah. ...differentiate from what you've been doing, don't grim and gritty him and make him in the modern day maybe take it back maybe make it yeah i liked the setting of the man from uncle i didn't love the man from uncle but i liked that kind of world it was well and the old tech and all that kind of stuff and the style and i think it's and it's more like it's a universe where you can't just solve everything by getting on your phone exactly so and it has to be some running around and there has to be some car

and you can weave it in and out of history or whatever you can yeah it's i don't know i think it i think it'd be really cool how about this we have a 1960s version with whoever doesn't matter some guy doesn't matter yeah and we have a modern day version with emily blunt they're my two didn't you want gillian anderson, I wanted Emily Blunt. Well, you need to make up your mind, Mason. Emily Blunt. I've done it repeatedly. Listen, you need to make a decision at some point.

It's like he's not listening. It's like he's doing the thing that I do and not listen. I want a 60s version. That's what I want. Okay, fine. And they should get... Daniel Craig. Yeah, why not?

Nah. No good. Get rid of him. Yeah. That's the show for this week, fine. And they should get... Daniel Craig. Yeah, why not? Nah. No good. Get rid of him. Yeah. That's the show for this week, Mason. Before we go, the good people over at NintenCollect. Yes. Which is a Twitter account everybody should follow, including you, Mason, where they play

and discuss and talk about all the different kind of Nintendo games throughout eras on all consoles. Now, you hate most Nintendo consoles, don't you? Look, I like everything. I like a Nintendo. I like an NES. I like a Super NES. I like a Game Boy.

You hate the 64 controller. I hate the 64 controller. You always have. I'm against it. Look, do what you like. GameCube it up. There's some good stuff. Resident Evil 4 started on the GameCube.

Really? Yeah, it's GameCube exclusive. That's's some good stuff. Resident Evil 4 started on the GameCube. Really? Yeah, it's GameCube exclusive. That's the best one, apparently. It's my favorite. Yeah, that's for sure. But anyway, this week they're featuring our favorite Nintendo games for each of the eras of consoles. Great.

And there's a different one every day which they're going to be playing and kind of getting some insight into things that we sometimes like or vaguely remember I think my favourite Wii game was Mad World okay which is the one that's all black and white

except for the blood which is red because it was such a departure it wasn't yeah exactly well you've just spoiled your thing haven't you Mason yes

because the idea was it was going to be a gradual reveal oh then edit this out don't edit it out no that's sizzle it's sizzle for the steak that's right

there's more I think the way they're doing it is they've kind of broken up the console. So some of you and some of me. Okay, cool. Very, very exciting stuff. Very exciting.

Very exciting. All right, Mason, where can people find us? We're at, oh boy, Weekly Planet Pod on Facebook and Twitter and Gmail and Bandcamp. The Weekly Planet is the best place to follow us, I would say. Yes, at the Weekly Planet. That's Robert Collings, our mate. He's done another video. He certainly has.

It's a pretty great one about vendettas. Vendettas and Australian animals. And little hand puppets. Yeah, that's right. He did a little hand puppet of my impression of you. It's very, very good. It's very good. You can find...

If you want to... Oh, I'm at Wikipedia Brown on Twitter. I'm at MrSundayMovies. If you'd like to donate a buck to keep the bloody lights on or keep the bloody caravan of garbage rolling... Sure. You can go to patreon.com slash the bloody caravan of garbage rolling. Sure. You can go to patreon.com slash MrSundayMovies. Yep.

Or you can go to our Amazon affiliate link, which is in the description. You just click on the description. You click on the link in the description and you just buy whatever you're going to buy at Amazon anyway and we get a little kickback somehow. We love it. Anything else?

What are we talking about? All those, we're getting some, we've got some t-shirts on tpublic.com. Yes. Just search for Weekly Planet. They're on there. We're changing it up. Yeah. Thanks to everybody who's been sending in memes for me.

Yeah, DC memes. Superhero DC memes. I just love memes so much, James. I just love them. I know you do. If you want to send me a, find a good DC Marvel meme. I love them. A nonsensical rambling.

Nonsensical. The longer they get... I sent this one to you this week. Yeah. So it's a picture of... It's a picture of... This is from Batman v Superman. It's Batman.

He's standing over a defeated Superman. He's got the boot on the neck. Yep. Top line, it says, When Batman won... And then it says, But Batman never even used laser vision or flu slightly smaller font when you completely ignore the kryptonite that batman had on his hand dot dot dot this guy

actually edited the kryptonite's pee out of this to make a useless argument what that's exactly that's my favorite meme because it's there's there's too much text it's been weirdly edited it's a light it's it's on top of edited. It's on top of another meme? It's on top of another meme, presumably. He's clearly having an argument with somebody about something. I love it. The less pithy, the better. If you find the worst meme you can find, send it to me.

And it could be Eddie. Because there's some bad Marvel ones as well. Just send me the memes. Make a segment about it. Yeah, yeah. I love it. Oh, that's amazing. You know how many comments there are in my YouTube videos of people yelling at me that

I don't understand the Martha scene? Like, I get it. Yeah. Like, I understand it. I just think it's stupid. Like, there's a lot of people just like, well, you know, because the reason is because of the humanity. Because it's revealing that Batman's understood.

I'm like, no, I know. Yeah. I understand. Yeah. I get it. Anyway, that's the show for this week. Next week, I thought, Mason, we can't do Magnificent Seven even though it's revealing that Batman's understood. I'm like, no, I know. I understand. I get it. Anyway, that's the show for this week. Next week, I thought, Mason, we can't do Magnificent Seven even though it's out. Yes.

But because it's out the week after for us. So maybe we'll have a week where we have very few downloads and do a Best Westerns episode. Best Hotels. Oh, yes. I love a double tree. That's right. Wait, isn't... It's not out here this week.

Luke Cage isn't out next week, is it? It's out on the 30th. Oh, maybe it's... Luke Cage is out on the 30th. Okay, cool. Great. So next week, best Westerns, movies of all time. I've got a few to talk about.

I'm sure you've got a few. If you've got some, tweet at us and we'll bloody talk about it. We'll have a comfort inn. Yeah, sure. Very good. Colour TV. Oh, thank you. Bible in the drawer. Thank you very much. bloody talk about it love a comfort inn yeah sure very good colour TV oh thank you bible in the drawer

thank you very much thank you Gideons yes yes yeah great okay cool great and then week after Magnificent Seven which I'm really

looking forward to me too that's a remake I'm totally okay with I know right with you for one and I like the Magnificent Seven because there's no twists

no just shoot each other and other people okay did we forget everything oh thank you to the Brute and the Basilisk yep

and the bloody the bloody Rackham for all our themes which are great yep yep thank you to everybody who's liking and subscribing and reviewing

and doing all this stuff don't forget this Thursday thanks to everybody who's getting in with our sponsors because the sponsors are letting us make more content and stuff like that

which is great we appreciate it yeah next this Thursday Caravan of Garbage get into it Mason it's your getting in with our sponsors because the sponsors are letting us make more content and stuff like that, which is great. We appreciate it. Yeah, this Thursday, Caravan of Garbage. Get into it, Mason. It's your episode where you talk about a DC property that may or may not be garbage, Caravan of Garbage. That's what we call it. That's all right.

Yeah. Thanks for listening. Grab that gem, you guys. Bye. Best show. What? What?