The Weekly Planet - 154 Best Western Movies
Episode Date: September 26, 2016The Magnificent Seven reboot is here! We haven’t seen it. So we’re talking ours and your favourite Westerns of all time!Plus we discuss Power Rangers news, Ghost in the Shell off to a...inter...esting start, Jared Leto as Doctor Strange, Ghostriders return, Passengers and Star Wars movies forever! Thanks for listening everyone.Want another podcast thing? Check out the latest episode of Caravan of Garbage in amazing video format! https://goo.gl/Bs0oYY3:21 Power Rangers casting5:34 Ghost In The Shell7:20 Jared Leto Doctor Strange something9:13 Ghostrider on Agents Of SHIELD10:13 8 Bit Justice League trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyJrxTbBLNE12:24 Passengers trailer15:31 Star Wars movies forever21:52 Best Western Movies1:11:38 What We Reading/What We Gonna Read1:15:55 Letters It’s Time For LettersBuy Magnificent Seven on Amazon: https://amzn.to/2AYXS4mPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesMr Sunday Movies YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/lB90W2The Weekly Planet YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHFind our T-Shirts here: https://goo.gl/q6gE9C Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London.
One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost.
FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Weekly Planet,
official podcast of comicbookmovie.com,
where we talk movies, comics, TV shows.
My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday.
With me as always on my coast, Nick Mason. I'm here. I'm doing the podcast. I'm a bit movies, comics, TV shows My name is James Also known as Mr. Sunday With me as always on my coast Nick Mason
I'm here
I'm doing the podcast
I'm a bit under the weather Nick Mason
Yeah
So if I pass out
Just leave me for a minute
Okay
And you'll recover on your own?
It's one of those things where
Can I put you into a crash position?
No
It's the only way I'll learn
Race position?
Okay good
I'll either come back stronger
Or not at all
Great
That's my motto
That's how it works
Yeah
Hey if you're listening to this, stop listening to this.
This week I was a guest on one of my favourite podcasts called Do Go On.
Oh yeah, I've got that ready to go.
Yeah, right.
So it's a podcast.
There are three mates.
My friends Dave, Jess and Matt and they get together.
One of them does a report on a special topic.
It could be anything.
Yeah.
And then the other two try and bring them down.
Derail.
Derail.
That's basically how it works. I was on it before. I did a report on Marvel Comics. Yeah. And then the other two, try and bring them down. Derail. Derail. That's basically how it works.
I was on it before.
I did a report on Marvel Comics.
Yeah, it was great.
This time around, I didn't feel like doing a report,
so Matt did a report on Elvis Presley.
He did the homework for you.
Yeah, that's right.
Fantastic.
I'll be back at some point.
I'm going to do one on DC.
Oh, great.
Very good.
Very good.
Yeah.
Some of it might be in poor taste,
some of the things I said in that episode,
but give it a whirl and see what you think.
I don't know.
See what they edited out.
Well, listen, if you're listening to that podcast,
stop listening to that one.
Get back on this podcast.
I was going to say,
well, we've got another episode of Caravan of Garbage.
Oh, we did too.
Which is out Thursday.
There's an extended audio version,
which is about 10 to 15 minutes longer,
and it's also on the YouTube channel.
Yeah.
It's an infamous movie from the 90s,
a DC movie,
and there might be another DC movie coming up on this Thursday's episode.
So you can find it wherever you're listening to this
and also on my YouTube channel where you can see pictures.
See the pictures.
A lot of people have said this would be great with pictures.
And I'm like, it's got pictures.
It has pictures.
Just wait like a couple of days.
No, no, I do that first.
I'm going to go video first and then audio.
Well, don't wait.
But I'm also going to link the audio in the description so you can get it.
You can sneak along and get it before I release it officially.
Very nice, yeah.
All right.
Mason, you like Power Rangers.
You love it.
It's your favorite show.
No.
You still watch it to this day.
None of those things are true.
This is worse than that time you told everybody that I really liked Digimon or whatever it was.
Yu-Gi-Oh?
I don't know.
It was Yu-Gi-Oh.
One of those, wasn't it?
And it was printed in a magazine.
You said that I loved Yu-Gi-Oh.
I did, didn't I?
Oh, jeez.
Well, Bill Hader is to voice Power Rangers' Alpha 5.
Which is the little robot.
Yeah, the robot with the head.
I know, because I'm a big fan.
I know that.
Of Yu-Gi-Oh!
Yes, exactly.
They cross over, don't they?
They cross over, yeah.
I think that's great casting.
Yeah.
He was just like,
Ay-yi-yi!
Bill Hader could do that.
He could definitely do that.
He's got those skills.
But can he bring in a different flavour?
You know what I mean? No. And further... No, he could. Of course he could do that. He could definitely do that. He's got those skills. But can he bring in a different flavor? You know what I mean?
No.
And further...
No, he could.
Of course he could.
But I think the further question is,
does anybody want a different flavor to this
or do they want exactly the same as what they've always gotten?
The same tripe they've always gotten from Power Rangers.
Well, if you like Tripe Mason,
they had some posters released where they're standing on their zords.
Oh, yes, that's right.
And I looked at it and went, yep, fine.
You don't really see the zords.
It's like the shoulder.
And then you just read then that there's some controversy about this?
Well.
What?
Because each of the posters, each one is a different Power Ranger, but they're Zord.
Yeah.
And then there's a little quip.
Yeah.
Like a teen-related quip of some sort.
Was it like, Mom, get me my breakfast?
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
And you'd think that one would be controversial enough
because get your own darn breakfast, children.
But the one for the yellow Power Ranger says no driver's ed required,
which you'd think would be a fairly innocuous statement
because the kids, they'd go to the driver's ed.
Yeah, yeah.
But the original yellow Rangers in the Power Rangers TV show
was killed in a car crash.
Oh.
I don't think that was a...
No, that's not...
Obviously, that wasn't a dig at the original Yellow Ranger.
Oh, what if it was, though?
What if somebody was, like, a huge fan of Power Rangers,
but they hated Trini in the original Power Rangers?
I didn't know that.
I know.
But then they're like, I hate her.
And so they've risen up the ranks of Hollywood to become a poster maker.
And they're like, this will get it.
One final shot.
That's right. Oh. this one final shot that's right oh look I
think that's that's I mean if it was intentional obviously that's in poor taste yeah very much
doubt it would be yeah yeah yeah well Mason let's uh let's leave Power Rangers behind for this week
but we'll be back uh because it's what a problem we have to be back yeah there'll be another poster
oh geez all right uh Ghost in the Shell got, they were teaser trailers.
There was a whole lot of them, but I watched them as one.
Yep.
And I didn't realize that they were supposed to be split up.
And I'm like, what is this?
I didn't know there were multiple teaser trailers either.
Yeah.
Okay.
So when you watch them individually, I'm like, oh, there's some really great imagery there.
Yeah.
But watching them all in a row, I'm like, this is really poorly handled.
Yeah.
Because it was on Facebook. Yeah. It just came up in my feed. Right. And I'm like this is really poorly handled yeah because it was on Facebook yeah
it just came up in my feed
and I'm like
oh Ghost in the Shell
and it's this
yeah it's
it's a series of weird images
then Ghost in the Shell logo
then weird images
then Ghost in the Shell logo
yeah
it was a little bit
Black Mirror-ish
okay sure
I could see that
but it didn't
no
press me on any level
they should have done one.
They should have done the teaser.
People are loving the teaser for the teaser.
You do the 10 seconds of Scarlett Johansson pulling the cord out of the back of her head
and she's in front of the city or whatever.
Just do that.
It's iconic.
People know that from Ghost in the Shell and they'll be like, trailer next week or whatever.
Don't do five so people can put them in a row.
That's not a good first impression.
Look, all we want is the one where she takes all her clothes off
and flings herself off the building.
Exactly.
That's all we want, that bit.
And mechs.
Also mechs.
Also mechs.
We should watch that again, actually.
And the guy with the weird eyes.
Yes.
Actually, are you going to watch that again before the movie?
Yeah, I think I will, yeah.
I don't know whether I should,
because I feel like if I watch it again,
then that will ruin the live
live action adaptation because I'll be like well that's different than that and whatever
if I watch them so close together okay you're probably right yeah I'm gonna do it anyway good
for you you ruin that for yourself they should have they should factor that in absolutely I'm
hoping there's a variation of the line where he's like whether the the sidekick guy's like
all right I got this really big gun.
I was late because I had to go and get it.
Sure.
It's great.
Good stuff.
Jared Leto, it was revealed this week,
was up for the role of Doctor Strange.
Huh.
They apparently always...
He's too strange.
If anything.
They apparently always wanted Benedict Cumberbatch.
Yep.
Even before they knew he existed?
Exactly, yeah.
He's been genetically bred.
The one in the 70s, they're like, this isn't very good.
If only there was a Benedict Cumberbatch.
I'm just a vibe.
I don't know what that is.
It just needs a Benedict Cumberbatch.
Is that some kind of spell?
Is it a breakfast?
I don't know.
Let's get the boys in the lab on it.
Just see what happens.
But I remember they were courting Joaquin Phoenix quite heavily.
We talked about this heavily and he was going
into comic shops
and buying all
so their official story
is they always wanted
Benedict Cumberbatch
and he couldn't do it.
Right.
I don't believe that.
Okay.
I think they threw it out
to four or five people.
Maybe they had one
particular in mind
but it's interesting now
that as soon as
it's done
they're like
oh they're not going
to come out and go
well yeah he did a good job
but you know wouldn't we have rather have had we wanted Joaquin Phoenix
and he wouldn't do it because he pretended to go mad for a period of time that's right
or whatever don't get me wrong I think Benedict Cumberbatch is a great choice but I just I just
don't I don't buy that no absolutely not yeah so there's there's at least four or five. Of the four or five people they got, they picked for this role,
there's got to be one guy out there with a voicemail from Kevin Feige going,
we need you, you're the best choice, we've got to have you.
Are you busy?
What are you doing?
He's got it ready.
They've got it locked and loaded.
Here's some pocket money to go down and get some comics.
Yeah.
That's not us.
Yeah.
So that's some good blackmail
material so if joaquin phoenix shows up in another role yeah you know it's because he went hey feige
i got the tapes i got them tapes man yeah exactly he's the only man in hollywood with an answering
machine other than bill murray yeah well he went mad he went mad i forgot he bought hundreds of
answering machines that's right now i didn't watch the uh the agents S.H.I.E.L.D. premiere this week
because I'm waiting to see
whether it gets really good
and then I'll go back
and I'll watch them all.
But I watched the Ghost Rider clip
and that looks incredible.
See, I haven't watched it.
I'm going to go back in.
Okay, good.
I know I've sworn off it.
Because you were like,
they can't get me with Ghost Rider.
But then I saw some animated GIFs
on the internet
of some flamey wheels
rolling around
and I'm like, oh yeah.
And the head looks real good.
There's a fight. Yeah, okay yeah i saw quake versus yeah ghostwriter and i'm like i'm gonna
save it yeah i'm gonna see it in context and see what happens i think they might have i mean if
this goes well they might have cracked the code for ghostwriter which is don't make a movie just
put him in a tv show they already cracked the code for ghostwriter was put him in ghostwriter
spirit of vengeance and have Nicolas Cage play him.
That's right.
You'd love that movie.
It's amazing, yeah.
Also, I'm kind of hoping for a race
between Agent Coulson in Lola,
the flying shield car from the 60s,
and the Ghost Rider car.
I don't know if Lola still exists
or it's been destroyed
or they lost it in budget cuts or whatever.
Sure, yeah.
Because I haven't watched it in like two years.
Absolutely.
I'm all for that.
So I'm just going to wait and see how that goes.
But no, he looks terrific.
There apparently was talk that they wanted to get Nicolas Cage back.
That's a rumor, but I don't know if that's...
We'll have to check his voicemails.
We certainly will.
Yeah.
Did you watch the trailer for Passengers?
I should have probably checked whether you did before I...
Yes, I did.
Actually, before I forget,
and if we're talking about trailers,
I forgot to mention this last week.
I haven't wrote it down,
but then I forgot to read the thing that I wrote,
which is lesson learned,
don't write anything down.
I was going to say,
you never write things down.
What are you doing?
It comes out of my brain pan into my fingies,
and then I write it down,
and then it's out of my brain forever.
Sure.
Yeah.
Like a pen sieve.
Exactly.
It's Harry Potter thing. Okay, right. I got you. Like a pen... Oh, Like a pen sieve. Exactly. It's Harry Potter thing.
Oh, okay.
Right.
Gotcha.
Like a pen.
Oh, like a pen sieve.
Okay.
Last week, our friends over at 8-Bit Trailers, who do trailers for-
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They take an existing trailer and they do like a retro style video game version of it.
They did a version of the Justice League teaser.
Yes.
The one with Icky Thump and there's a man
and he gives you fish.
That one.
Yeah.
And when you,
in that trailer,
it's on joeblo.com
or they're on
your YouTube channel.
And when we go to
the Flash's hideout,
there's some graffiti
on the wall
and it is all
Weekly Planet themed.
Absolutely it is.
Or some of it is.
So there's a hashtag
mullet for Superman.
There's a grab dat gem.
There's an I love rap, which is for me, I think.
That's your favorite PG.
PG rated graffiti, which is great.
So thank you, guys over at 8Bit Trailers.
Absolutely.
That guy's name is actually John Stratman,
and you can follow him at Stratmaster.
Is he related to David Strassman?
Yes, he is.
Famous ventriloquist?
Yeah, he's the actual, he's the puppet.
Oh, great.
No, but he actually, this is a hobby of his,
and he obviously listens to the show.
And I've actually spoken to him about,
we might be doing some,
a little bit of crossover Mason at some point.
That's still early days and it won't be,
it'll be at least a month away.
But he does great work.
He's the weekly planet.
Yes.
So it'll just be like a little thing,
but no, he does great work.
Is he going to be taking some of the things
I've said out of context?
Yes.
And just moving them around a bit?
Yeah.
All Yu-Gi-Oh stuff.
Okay.
Yeah.
All Yu-Gi-Oh related.
I'll give you some stuff to work with.
Yeah, please.
So the Passengers trailer.
Oh yeah, that's right.
What did you think?
Looks pretty good.
Now, I am of the understanding that.
Yeah.
Has this movie been refilmed in any way or?
Well, I was like, here's the Passengers trailer.
It's out in like two months.
It's weird that we haven't seen anything.
And I haven't actually confirmed this, but somebody on Twitter reached out and said there was a dispute between the special effects company and Sony.
And so that's why we haven't seen anything of it, because that was being resolved.
So I just assumed that, oh, maybe this is really terrible. Well, because see, if you watch this trailer,
these two people wake up on this ship.
So it's a 120-year journey, and they wake up 30 years in.
So they're potentially stranded on this ship with nobody else for 90 years.
But I was of the understanding that in the original script,
Chris Pratt's character wakes up, and then he wakes her up. I think that was in the original script chris pratt's character wakes up and then he
wakes her up i think that was in the original synopsis yeah even yeah yeah which makes him a
psychopath yes or photo and in this trailer he does say there's a reason we both we woke up kind
of thing it was me yeah well so maybe that's the but i mean based on this particular maybe
potentially what they've done is they've put footage
that is not going to be in the movie in the trailer
where he wakes up on his own and then she wakes up on her own.
Yeah.
But in the actual movie.
Do you think, is that dirt, is that a dirty move
to deliberately mislead?
I'm not saying that's what's going to happen, but.
I think so.
Yeah.
I mean, look, it just depends what the outcome is, obviously.
I like a lot of the imagery in it.
A lot of people have compared it to Sunshine as well.
It's a great movie.
Have you seen it?
Oh, shut up.
You like it, don't you?
No.
That's not true.
I'm not against it, but I'm not going to watch it again.
That's what I like to hear.
Yeah, good.
But, you know, good-ish vibes.
Yeah.
That British guy who was in The Queen, who played Tony Blair as the robot.
He was in The Queen. Oh, boy. He was right up, who played Tony Blair as the robot. He was in The Queen.
Oh, boy.
He was right up there.
But he's the robot barman.
He's got no legs.
That's okay, isn't it?
Yeah, it's fine.
If you had to spend 90 years on a spaceship, who would you pick to be on there?
Out of Chris Pratt or Jennifer Lawrence?
No, out of anybody you know in this room.
So you've got my dog or you've got me.
But bearing in mind only one of us can do a podcast well.
But also bearing in mind, it'll just be you constantly referencing the film Sunshine.
Like every time we walk past a window, you'll be like, remember the movie Sunshine?
I'm like, oh.
No, if you had to pick anybody to be stuck 90 years with, who do you pick?
Do you have one locked and loaded here?
No, I really don't.
You've thrown it out there.
Well, I'd obviously pick my partner, obviously.
Oh, sure.
Because, I mean, I can't not, because if she hears this,
I didn't say that.
Oh, well, now you've thrown that out.
She'll obviously murder me.
Well, now you've thrown that out and we're both on the hook,
I'm going to say Jennifer Lawrence.
Sorry, baby.
And you know what the good thing about Jennifer Lawrence is?
She's just a regular person like us.
She's just a regular.
She just falls over things.
She's all silly and goofy.
How long do you think that would last if you were on a spaceship with her together?
How many times would she do it before you're like,
could you stop doing that, please?
Yeah, not 90 years.
I'll give her that.
Good on her.
Bob Iger.
Disney's Bob Iger.
Head CEO.
He's the top one.
Okay, top dog. Top's the top one. Okay.
Top dog.
Top dog.
Top mouse.
Yes.
Top duck.
Top duck.
That'll do.
He says that, uh, Rogue One, Star Wars, a Star Wars story.
Oh yeah, I've heard of it.
It's very much an experiment and they're expecting that it won't do the same numbers as Force
Awakens.
Okay.
And it's, that's, that's a really reasonable thing to say, to come out and be like, this
has got to be the biggest, like it won biggest... It won't be The Force Awakens.
It can't be.
That is not possible.
So I think that's interesting, though,
that they're trying projects like this.
Yeah.
Because even if Rogue One doesn't work
and it's shit,
I still want to see movies like this.
I want to see...
I don't want to see a Han Solo movie
then a Yoda movie.
The only one I want to see
and then a Boba Fett movie,
I only want to see Obi-Wan film. That's the only one I want to see and then a Boba Fett movie. I only want to see
Obi-Wan film.
That's the only thing
I want to see.
That's for me personally.
But I like the idea
of these stories
just getting away
from the Skywalkers.
So I really hope it works
on some level
that we keep getting them.
I want to see a Lobot solo film.
Sure.
Yeah.
Lobot and Lando together?
Yeah.
Lobot Wars.
Lobot jocks.
You want to see him in jocks? Yeah. In the Bacta tank? Yeah. Yeah. Thatot Wars. Lobot jocks. You want to see him in jocks?
Yeah.
In the Bacta tank.
Yeah.
Yeah, that big diaper.
He also mentioned that Star Wars movies are in development until 2020,
which means the third spinoff movie is a lock, whatever that is.
Okay, sure.
Lobot, Lobot, Lobot.
Lobot jocks.
Yeah.
And then 2021 and beyond, they're discussing.
So I'm presuming they're going to work out what works.
The Lobot wore tennis shoes.
It's another.
I'm just rhyming, Robot.
I'm just trying to find others.
Very good.
Yeah.
It's interesting that he's gone the route of-
I Lobot.
Sorry.
There we go.
It's not as good as it.
No, though. Because he's got a backstory.
He's got a rich backstory.
He does, doesn't he?
He's got a destiny.
But it's interesting they've gone the route of...
Well, this won't be...
Bicentennial Lobot, sorry.
That's good.
That's good.
Wait, let's do one more.
Cars, but it's Lobot.
It's interesting they've gone the route of,
well, this won't make as much money, because I would have thought that that would set the internet aflame with
people going well he says he's not going to make as much money because it's not as good
yeah i think it's but it's a bad he knows it's bad and he's trying to yeah damage control yeah
but that's i think that's a completely reasonable thing to say it's like saying it's like the
avengers movies make more money than the thor movies yeah it's the same it's the same thing like it's a completely reasonable thing to say he also mentioned
like that they're pretty much planned out like that the 2020 Marvel movies upwards like we
already kind of knew that but yeah that's interesting I guess is Inhuman still on the
slate do we remember no I think it's off the site yeah okay you okay with that stop pushing it up
pushing it on us we We don't want it.
Okay, that's true.
Do we?
I've been reading the Civil War 2 comic,
and it started really promisingly,
but it's just really kind of lost its luster.
Okay.
It's a little too, why are we doing this again?
Who's fighting who?
Right, okay, yeah.
What's what team?
Who stands for what?
I like the idea of Carol Danvers and Tony Stark.
Yep.
I think that's a really interesting dynamic.
Uh-huh.
I don't know if this story is going to pay off.
Also, Iron Man's got a really great suit right now.
He certainly does.
Did you hear there was a-
Transforming?
Yeah.
That's great.
There was an Iron Man reveal this week, which I won't spoil, about his heritage, but we
probably won't get into that this week.
Let's get it off.
Let's talk about it off.
Okay.
Don't say camera.
There's no cameras here.
No, there isn't.
No, there's...
That we know about.
Do you still have tape over your laptop?
I do.
Okay, great.
You better believe I do, Mason.
Okay.
Have you seen Snowden, the movie?
Oh, no.
They're looking through...
I haven't seen it either, but they're looking at you all the time, Mason.
Oh.
That microphone's probably got a camera in it.
Oh, jeez.
Your watch probably has a camera.
Oh, you're not wearing it.
Good idea.
Not wearing it.
Yeah.
Lucky. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe I'm paranoid. I don't like the idea of a camera. You, you're not wearing it. Good idea. Not wearing it. Yeah. Lucky.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm paranoid.
I don't like the idea of a camera.
You are paranoid.
I just want to be clear.
What?
You think that people can't look at you through your...
No, I absolutely...
I think you're paranoid in other areas of your life.
Oh, okay.
Right.
Yeah.
It's got nothing to do with the cameras.
I think you're right about the cameras, if anything.
But, yeah.
Well, the broken clock is right twice a day, isn't it?
Isn't it, though?
Yeah.
The clock has a camera in it.
That's why it's broken.
It gets around to, like, four o'clock and the hand taps on the camera.
It's in the four.
That's right.
FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship
between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies
on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London.
One woman has a secret. The other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are
lost.
FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+.
Mason.
Speaking of Out of This World, I watch Cowboys and Aliens.
In preparation for this, I watched a couple of things.
Good, good. I'm excited to see
what you've
what you've checked out
now the reason we're
talking about this
obviously
Magnificent Seven is out
in most parts of the world
except here
so we can't talk about it
we'll probably talk about it
a bit next week
but it's also Luke Cage week
so we'll just see
what takes place
if you've seen
Magnificent Seven
let us know what you
thought about it
on the Twitters
at Wikipedia
MrSundayMovies
and if you like this is worth a whole episode let us know what you thought about it on the Twitters at Wikipedia Brown at MrSundayMovies and if you're like
this is worth a whole episode let us know
but if you're like nah it's just fine we'll probably
talk about it. Yeah we'll do it like 5 minutes on it
I mean how could it
It looks really fun
I can't imagine, like I don't think it's going to be amazing
but it looks like the Avengers
with cowboys
like everyone's got a skill
Do you think that diverts too far from the Western?
Like if it's like a fun kind of...
What do you think makes a good Western?
Can I just quickly say before we get into that?
Yeah.
Have you seen the trailers for Westworld?
Yes.
That looks amazing.
Right?
I cannot wait.
What's that going to be on?
HBO.
Okay.
But also Pirate Man.
Yeah.
I'd imagine if I knew what that was.
Sorry, what were you saying?
What makes a Western?
What makes a good Western?
Steve McQueen.
Just Steve McQueen.
That's it.
Okay.
What makes a good Western?
Well, I think like...
That's tough.
I mean, it's got...
Guns, hats, horses.
But I mean like thematically or like...
Saloon doors.
Yeah, saloon doors, all those things.
But I mean like what's the sense
like when you watch
a good western
what's the sense
you get about it
I get a sense of dread
and I get a sense of like
of death
isolation
yep
like because it's got to be
like it's implied in the name
it's a western
like it doesn't have to be
specifically in the west
no
but I feel like it has to be
like out west
in the sense of like
you need your characters
to kind of feel alone
and isolated
you're on your own You're on your own.
You're on your own.
The cavalry's not coming kind of thing.
You know what I mean?
They're off fighting a civil war probably.
Does it have to be set in Western times?
No, absolutely not.
I mean, if you look at like No Country for Old Men.
Modern day-ish.
Definitely not.
All the Pretty Horses, the Matt Damon one.
Oh, yes.
Which apparently the extended cut is really good.
Yeah.
I haven't seen it.
But no, absolutely not.
Agreed.
El Mariachi, that trilogy. Yeah. That's, you know, they're considered Western. cut is really good yeah i haven't seen it but uh no absolutely not agreed you can el mariachi that
trilogy yeah that's you know they're considered western so no absolutely not i think it helps
it helps sure in a lot of cases but yeah it's not definitive yeah but i think it is it's it's
it's that vibe like it's that sense of and i guess there they've also been a lot of uh they've been a
lot of how do you how do you feel about a remake?
See, I feel the further into the present you get, though,
it's more difficult to make a Western.
A good one.
Yeah, I guess in terms of like how can you be trapped in a little town
with all these – surrounded on all sides when you can just call an Uber.
Yeah, exactly.
That's exactly right.
So I think, like, No Country for Old Men.
Yeah.
I guess in terms of, like, the back roads,
like, stuff can also be the back roads.
Right, absolutely, yeah.
Yeah, like, No Country for Old Men.
Where it's like, oh, myself.
Yeah.
Do you think it's getting to the point where it's annoying
where someone has to go, there's no cell reception.
Like, do you have to have that? You have to have you know what you can take that out of movies when this stops being bad cell reception in real life
and it's 2016 and sometimes i'm like i'll just check oh i don't have an internet connection
outside in the city how did that happen it's like the old west out here it's like the old west out
here exactly yeah absolutely well why don't we start on if you've seen it the magnificent seven How did that happen? It's like the old West out here. It's like the old West out here, exactly, yeah.
Absolutely.
Well, why don't we start on, if you've seen it,
The Magnificent Seven.
The original.
Which is a remake of the Kurosawa movie.
Well, there are a lot of Kurosawa remakes.
Yeah, exactly.
Fistful of Dollars is a remake.
Yeah, absolutely.
Of Yojimbo, I guess. Star Wars.
Sorry, Yojimbo, you're right.
And before we get to Magnificent Seven,
one of my favourite westerns
if we're talking
westerns that are
sort of out of time
sure
have you seen
Last Man Standing
Bruce Willis
yes
not for ages
but that's a remake
of Fistful of Dollars
basically
is it really
yeah because
I did not know that
I think there might
even be a
like a writing credit
for Yojimbo
like it says
based on Yojimbo
because it's
it's essentially
it's set in like Prohibitionbo. Okay. Because it's essentially,
it's set in like Prohibition era,
like the 1930s.
And Bruce Willis,
like he's just a drifter and he's driving through town
on his way to Mexico.
Yeah.
And he like looks the wrong way at a girl
and like this gang comes up
and it's like,
no, no, she's gang property.
And they like slash his tires
and smash his windscreen.
He's like, oh man.
Yeah.
And they're like,
you've learned your lesson now.
And then he just tears them up.
Like he just, like he kills one of them
and leaves the rest alive as a lesson.
And then another gang's like,
well, you should become our enforcer kind of thing.
And he just wrecks, he just wrecks the whole,
like kills everybody in the town.
And he's got, you know, he's got,
instead of a pair of six shooters,
he's got a pair of 45s.
Okay.
It's pretty great.
From the 90s, I assume.
96.
So this was just in that era.
This was before Bruce Willis was invulnerable in movies.
Right, yeah, yeah.
It was right in that, like, here's his point of difference
is he's a guy who gets messed up.
Yeah.
And he does a bit.
It's pretty solid.
But he thinks what makes him a great character is he's crack and wise
and he's from Brooklyn.
That's Bruce Willis' understanding of what makes him.
No, it's glass in his feet.
It's definitely glass in his feet.
Yeah, absolutely.
But that is a.
I haven't seen that one in a long time.
I'm going to have to check that out.
Get back to it.
It's pretty good.
I will.
I remember the action being very good.
Yeah.
Maybe I'm misremembering.
But then there was pre-Matrix.
Pre-Matrix.
Exactly.
That's the dividing line.
No, but there does exist some great action movies from there i
would i would argue that uh el mariachi no desperado has some pretty good gunfights and that's true
that's like that's 96 as well actually uh do you like those movies the el mariachi movies i've only
seen i haven't seen the original one yep but i've seen the desperado and once upon a time in mexico
which i didn't love.
All I remember is Johnny Depp had a fake arm and then he got his eyes drilled out.
No, that one's real bad.
I don't know who greenlit any of that.
I don't know who's responsible.
Look, at one point, Johnny Depp's character,
who's a CIA agent, is wearing a T-shirt that says CIA on it,
like a joke novelty T-shirt from a market store.
I think that's kind of fun sure
but yeah like there's not enough al mariachi in that movie either it's a johnny depp movie and i
think yeah like at that point robert rodriguez had fallen in love with no i mean maybe he'd sort of
it was that point where people like you know what people really love is they love this sort of
balletic action sequences and a lot of spinning around and a lot of grab a chandelier and spinning a circle.
Yeah, and a lot of John Woo-ish kind of stuff,
and he just went nuts with it.
And I'm like, you don't need a blind CIA agent just having a little kid.
Gunning about.
Exactly, yeah.
Yeah, fair enough.
Magnificent Seven.
Oh, yeah, back to that.
Do you remember it?
I remember it fondly, but I don't think it's fantastic.
I'm like, it's fun, but I don't think it's fantastic. I'm like, it's fun.
Yeah.
But I don't think it's one of the best.
Was it an all-star cast at the time?
Oh, well, I think it was a lot of these guys before they really hit big.
Yul Brynner.
Yul Brynner.
I think he did the sequel, but there was like five or six more.
There were a few magnificent sevens more.
Yeah, that's right.
And then he played a version of that.
In The King and I.
Yes, that's right.
He played a version of that character in West King and I. Yes, that's right. He played a version of that character in Westworld in the 70s.
That's right.
It's the same kind of gunfighter, which I think is great.
That's really interesting.
But it's got, obviously, Steve McQueen, Robert Vaughn.
Robert Vaughn, is it?
It is, yeah.
Robert Vaughn, yeah.
And there's actually a remake of that in the 80s called Battle Beyond the Stars,
which is a star wars knockoff
which is the magnum magnificent seven in space but it's star wars it didn't do very well right yeah
but no i think it's i think it's fun i don't think it's great yeah i agree yeah yeah what else you
got mason oh hang on do you want to talk the good the bad the ugly trilogy or whatever they can we
talk about john Wayne briefly?
Yeah, sure.
He's a weird racist and I don't like him or any of his movies.
He's not a tough guy.
He's just a guy pretending to be a tough guy.
Yeah.
Shut up.
Can't act.
I'm glad he's dead.
No, I'm not.
No, I feel the same way about him. I don't know about the racist stuff.
I don't know anything about him personally.
I was trying to think.
I'm like, I love Westerns and all that sort of stuff. I hate his Westerns. But that's exactly it know, I love, you know, I love, you know, Westerns and all that
sort of stuff.
I hate these Westerns.
But that's exactly it.
And I'm like,
well,
I love this one
and I love this one
and I'm trying to
rack my brain
thinking of a good
John Wayne one.
I'm like,
no.
I'm sure they exist.
Yeah,
but.
If you've got one,
maybe tweet us.
Let us know.
Yeah,
but I'm not going to watch it.
No.
Because I just,
I can't get past his acting.
Yeah.
I really can't.
Yeah.
Not a tough guy.
Not a tough guy.
Just a very old guy. Yeah. Always a tough guy. Not a tough guy, exactly. Just a very old guy.
Yeah.
Always.
But the Fistful of Dollars,
the only one I've seen is Good, the Bad and the Ugly,
which is apparently the best one.
And I bloody love that movie, mate.
It's got the great shootout.
It's got the dude in the bath shooting a different guy.
Man, we're spoiling these, right?
We've talked about this recently.
Yeah, we have talked about it.
Yeah, the great Eli Wallach, who passed away quite recently yeah yeah where there's the
the bad guy shows up yep and he's like he monologues him he monologues him for a real
long time about how i've been tracking you down for a long time and how you busted my right hand
yeah i'm shooting my left out for revenge and then just a gun comes out of the bath and just
kills the guy and he's like if you're going to shoot, shoot.
Don't talk.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
There's room for a good solo bit of comedy.
Definitely.
And you see that's kind of carried over into like the Star Wars films,
some of them, until they changed them.
Like that's a Han Solo kind of move.
And the Indiana Jones move where you just like shoot a guy
instead of getting in a big sword fight. What if every movie production company was like,
we're going to re-edit this so it looks like the bad guy shoots first
in this Eli Wallach bath.
So he comes in and shoots him just straight up.
That's really hard to do.
That would ruin it.
No, they just have...
Oh, they do the CGI.
They just CGI and Eli Wallach dashes out of the bath briefly.
It would be easier than the Han Solo one
because you could just cover it with a big floofy thing of bubbles.
Yeah.
That would be amazing.
I love the shootout at the end.
Really tense.
I wonder though whether...
I don't think audiences have the patience for...
No, that's not true.
I don't think it would necessarily play as well with, I don't know,
with modern filmmaking to have a scene that long.
Yeah.
Because that shootout at the end, there's a really long just stare off.
Yeah.
It feels like five minutes.
It's probably not.
I think you could do it, but you'd have to do it Michael Bay style
where there's literally hundreds of other explosions happening around it.
And you'd have to cut back.
Like you'd have to cut back to the around it. And you have to cut back.
Like you'd have to cut back to the stare off.
Did you want to see that though?
No.
Absolutely not.
Yeah.
Do you like a Western that's kind of a meander?
Or do you want it to be short and fast? No, I actually watched a meander one last night.
Because I'm like, I've got time to watch one.
And I watched Bone Tomahawk.
Yeah, me too.
And that's a meander and a half yeah
but that is a fucking great movie absolutely it is yeah i feel we shouldn't spoil that one
because it's quite new yes yeah but it's it came out about like a the same month as hateful eight
yeah but it's way better i agree like much better and it's there's no music either yeah
if we're talking isolation fear of death no's coming, you're on your own.
Primo.
That's the one.
No, very good.
And great performances.
Kurt Russell's looking great in it.
Not for the squeamish.
No, that's true.
Yeah.
It's kind of...
There's a little bit of...
It's weird that, again, Westerns don't veer more into horror right because there is that
isolation there is that sense of or like into weird genre stuff generally sure yeah yeah i can
i see what you mean when i because i did some reading on it afterwards and it's weird that it
is themed as a horror movie i'm like i know i guess it is a horror movie but i didn't i didn't
necessarily feel that well not until kind of things kind of amp up,
but,
uh,
it's almost like predator,
the Western.
Right.
Really.
But anyway,
maybe we shouldn't touch on that.
Have you seen,
this is not a Western,
although,
uh,
I mean,
it's,
it's a horror film,
but nothing,
there's no horror elements.
Have you ever seen wake and fright,
the Australian movie?
No,
I haven't.
It's about a guy who gets stuck,
you know,
like a,
like a, like a one horse kind of town in the seventies. Right. I think Jack Thompson, I think't. It's about a guy who gets stuck in a one-horse kind of town in the 70s.
Right.
I think it's Jack Thompson.
Okay.
But it is, and he's just sort of trapped in this weird small town
of just terrifying people.
They're not overtly terrifying, but it's just this weird...
It's on stand.
It's from the 70s, did you say?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Wake in Fright.
I feel like that's the name of a TV show as well.
You're thinking of The Walking Dead.
I am thinking of The Walking Dead.
That's a good one.
If you're talking about Australian westerns, I'm just trying to find...
Man from Snowy River.
What a movie, what a series.
Josh Lucas is in Man from Snowy River, the TV series.
So is Guy Pearce, actually.
Huh.
There's actually a Guy Pearce one that I haven't seen that I want to talk about, though.
Okay.
There's an Australian horror...
Not horror.
There's an Australian Western called Red Hill,
and it's set in the modern day.
Is it a sequel to Red Dog?
Correct.
I hate Red Dog.
People love Red Dog, but I do not like it at all.
No, I've not seen it.
I'm sorry if you like Red Dog, but no.
Anyway, it's a modern Western with Ryan Quanton.
Quanton, sure.
Quanton, yeah.
Who's kind of like the poor man's Chris Hemsworth.
I agree.
But he's still good.
Like, the lesser known.
And there's this indigenous guy who comes back into town
to murder everybody.
Yep.
And maybe there's more to it than what it is.
And it's about him gunning down everybody
and Ryan Quanton, who's got a wife and a newborn kid
trying to kind of stop it.
It's from 2010
it's
for the budget
it's really great
there's a panther in it
for some reason also
which doesn't maybe work
but no
I would recommend that as
it's not like
this will blow your socks off
but it's just a solid
western
yeah yeah yeah
and a solid Australian film
which I don't say very often
there you go
yeah
what's it called again?
Red Hill
okay
sequel to Red Dog
correct
Wake and Fright is also called
Outback I think in America
so it's a school teacher
yeah
and he's
it's like Northern Exposure
but
in a weird horror town
okay
but he has to
and he has
because he's like
because in exchange for
like his education
he has to go to this small town.
Yeah.
And it's kind of...
Yeah, it's just a...
It's just a bloody shit show, mate.
It's just a weird world.
Okay, good.
It's not a Western, but there you go.
It's not a Western?
Hey, speaking of...
Westerns?
Speaking of Westerns, good link.
What do you got?
No, I was going to talk about Cowboys and Aliens.
Okay.
Because we're talking about genre stuff.
I keep insisting that you've already seen that, but clearly you haven't.
Well, I've seen it now.
Yeah, and?
I quite liked it. Well, I guess seen it now. Yeah, and? I quite liked it.
Well, I guess because you were probably not expecting much.
Exactly.
But it looks...
Well, here's the thing about it.
They've gone, like, full on with the Western.
Yeah.
And kind of, like...
Not enough Alien?
Not enough Alien.
But, I mean, I think it would have worked better
as just a Western.
Okay.
So who are they fighting?
Just each other.
Cowboys and.
Yeah.
Cowboys and cowboys.
Cowboys and Indians.
Can't do that anymore.
No, you can't.
I don't know.
But like, it feels like it's got that.
It's just dirty and it's kind of.
Okay.
You know the opening sequence where he awakened?
I mean, and I guess it's kind of, oh, there's a mystery man and he doesn't,
there's some tropes and stuff like that.
But he wakes up and he doesn't have any memory and he just lays into those guys.
Yeah, yeah.
And kind of, it feels kind of gritty and real.
Okay, and you think it's the alien side of it that maybe lets him move.
It feels kind of like Cardboard Cutout.
Yeah, I'd agree with that.
And there's like a chase in the sky and you're jumping from ship to ship.
I think, yeah, I think you're right.
I think that's the side of it that lets it down.
Yeah.
Like if it was just Daniel Craig versus Harrison Ford.
Yeah, see?
Yeah.
And just in this town where he rules.
Maybe it would have made some money.
Exactly.
Just call it Craig versus Ford.
Maybe they punch on for real.
I would watch that.
They're both gruff.
Yeah.
They both don't want to be there.
But I guess to me it works mostly because they're both playing it,
everybody in it's kind of playing 100% straight.
Like if any of them, like Harrison Ford appears to be having a little bit of fun.
Right.
I think.
But they're both playing it like dead serious.
And if anybody was like, what's going on?
What kind of thing?
I don't think it would descend into camp and into the garbage.
But I quite liked it.
Okay.
Interesting.
All right.
Well, maybe I'll give it another go.
I probably won't.
I saw that in the cinema when it came out.
I didn't hate it, but I don't have any inkling to kind of go back and watch it.
If we can jump back into the Clint Eastwood westerns.
Yes.
Kind of a follow-up to those Sergio Leone westerns is Unforgiven,
which is kind of that character.
Based on the Metallica song.
Correct.
Which is kind of that character
as an aging ex-gunfighter.
Yeah.
And he's just kind of lost his edge.
Yep.
That is a fantastic western.
That might be my fave,
one of my favourites.
Okay.
When was the last time
you checked that one out? If you have at all. No, I have, but it's been a very long time. It would be my fave, one of my favourites. Okay. When was the last time you checked that one out, if you have at all?
No, I have, but it's been a very long time.
It would have been like a Channel 7 midday movie or something like that.
Right, right, sure, yeah, yeah.
No, it's directed by Clint Eastwood and it's one of those things, yeah, where he...
No, I'm sorry, it wouldn't have been a midday movie.
It would have been a Channel 9, maybe a 7.30.
Sure.
You know?
And an ad every four minutes.
Correct.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah yeah you really get the
you really get the sense of
you know it
yeah that's a meander
yeah boy is it
when you factor in ads
but it's
and it's not even like
he's not even a great bloke
which is
which I also think
makes a good western
yeah
where the people you're following
aren't really good people
yeah no I agree
but you still
you still
sorry
you still kind of
you still root for them yeah I agree yeah and I. But you still kind of root for them.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, and I think that's the kind of last time I could,
except maybe Gran Torino, where you can take Clint Eastwood
seriously as like a tough guy.
Don't get me wrong, he's a tough guy.
Why, what's he done since Gran Torino?
I don't know, not much.
Probably one where the president was.
Oh, he yelled at that chair.
He did.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, yeah, but I think that's the last Clint Eastwood Western hurrah.
I don't even know if he's done another Western since then.
He probably has.
But that's the last one that obviously sticks out in my mind.
And it's definitely worth checking out.
And he looks great.
Yeah.
If you're going to get him, people are saying,
get him for Old Man Logan.
That was the era.
Okay, yeah.
Anything past that, you can't do it.
He's too old.
Like that absolutely works. but i think you're right in the sense that it's it's kind of westerns a lot of the time
have that kind of noir vibe where you don't have to be the the noir hero is the best man
he's the best man in his world yes the idea of it he's not he's not necessarily the best
person in the world no but in But in this situation. He normally
has some moral code. Yeah.
But he's normally a little bit better
than most other people. Sure, right. But he's still
a shit bloke. Yeah. Yeah. Because you have to
be. Otherwise, what are you going to be?
A dead man. Yeah. You're going to be
the ugly or the good.
I don't know. What are we doing?
Speaking of westerns, Mason. Oh, there you go.
Great link again. I should have linked it this way. Gene Hackman doing? Speaking of Westerns, Mason. Oh, there you go. Great link again.
I should have linked it this way.
Gene Hackman was the villain in Unforgiven,
and he's also the villain in The Quick and the Dead. There we go.
Which is a lot of fun.
There's two Quick and the Deads.
Is there?
There's the one with Sharon Stone.
That's the one I'm talking about.
Okay, I'm talking about the one with Sam Elliott.
Which came out many years ago.
Like the 80s?
Are they?
They're not.
They're not linked.
There's no coincidence. There's not a remake or anything. No. So the Quick and the Dead ago like the 80s are they they're not they're not linked it's a coincidence
there's not a remake or anything no that so the quick and the dead one from the 90s has leonardo
caprio russell crowe yes lance hendrickson yep uh i can't remember who else yeah but it's i think
that's um that's an absolutely solid western because it's all gunfighting yes it's like
boss battles up until the end you know what i mean yeah yeah
it's just a whole lot of people facing off against each other in this tournament and it's also maybe
not every gunfighter is who you think they are right or as skilled as they say they are sure
some people kind of have surprise skills and some are quicker than others and you know it's uh i
know i think it's i think it's one of those ones where it it feels very dangerous and dirty and gritty but it's also a lot of fun i don't
know if sharon stone was the best choice for the lady no yeah but i don't know but she's still you
know what she's still solid but yeah um maybe a sigourney weaver would have kind of fit that role
a little bit better okay i was gonna say who else would you have chosen sigourney weaver mason yeah
okay cool um yeah so the one from the 80s was a TV movie, I think.
Okay.
I've seen it on video, but it's Sam Elliott and Kate Capshaw, isn't it?
Okay.
It's pretty good.
Kate Capshaw from Being Made of Jones.
Steven Spielberg.
Yes, those two things, yeah.
Absolutely.
Good bloody stuff, Mason.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Speaking of Sam Elliott, have you ever seen Tombstone?
I've seen Ghost Rider, where he's the other Ghost Rider.
He is the other Ghost Rider.
I guess that's all Western.
I have seen Tombstone.
With Kurt Russell again.
He does the best Western moustaches.
No, Sam Elliott does the best Western moustaches.
You're right.
Second place is Kurt Russell.
All right, cool.
In the same way that Sam Elliott is the second best bouncer to...
Patrick Swayze in Roadhouse?
Yeah.
You're absolutely right.
And Kurt Russell is the rich man's Patrick Swayze.
Absolutely.
So it's a bloody circle.
Time's a flat circle.
It certainly is.
But there were two White Earp movies that year or that era.
One was the... White Earp? One was White Earp movies that year or that era. One was the...
White Earp?
One was White Earp with...
What's his name?
Costner.
I don't think I've seen a good Kevin Costner Western.
He's in a lot.
Yep.
But like, Dancers with Wolves is a chore to get through.
Yeah, again, I think that's something I saw on Channel 9.
Yeah, I remember when I saw that, it was over two nights.
It was that long.
Oh, they spread it.
Wow, that's amazing.
And that was in like the mid-90s or whatever.
But I actually haven't seen Wide Up, so I can't speak to it.
But Tombstone is amazing, and a big part of that is Val Kilmer's performance
as Buddy Holiday.
Doc Holiday, yeah.
As Buddy Holly.
He steals all the scenes because nobody understands
why a rock and roller from the 1950s is in Tombstone.
I've got to get my plane, guys.
Get me to the airport.
But great gunfights.
And what stands out for me, also, the villain,
or one of the villains, is Power's Booth.
That's true. Now, the villain or one of the villains is Powers Booth. That's true.
Now that's okay.
We've got to re-
rework our mustache.
I think our latin-
He doesn't-
Powers Booth doesn't work
without a mustache.
That's true.
He needs a mustache.
He's got to be in top five.
Yeah, I would say so.
But also,
the other villain is
the dude from Aliens.
The main guy from Aliens.
Hicks.
Michael Bay.
Michael Bay.
And he's fantastic
in that movie as well
that is a good one
yeah
and him and
him and Buddy Holiday
have a shoot off
yeah
I was gonna say
last week we talked
we said we're gonna
talk about best westerns
yeah
this week
and I'm like
Mika Valeu
yeah
on Twitter said
Doc Holiday in
because it's
Holiday Inn
oh very good
okay
that's good
well done
I said I was stealing it for myself, but then I didn't.
You could have.
I could have.
Yeah.
I'm going to edit that so you stole it.
Oh, no.
My favorite movie of all time, Mason.
Yes.
Or one of.
Wow.
If it's not Sunshine.
You know what?
You were going to definitively make a statement there,
and then you pulled back.
I did.
Is it your favorite movie of all time or not?
It's my favourite classic movie.
Okay.
Butch Cassidy
and the Sundance Kid.
That's true, yeah.
When I was,
before I started making this list,
I'm like,
I don't even know
if I like westerns
and then I'm like,
I love westerns.
There's so many good westerns.
There's so many good ones.
We could do a second episode
probably.
Yeah, totally.
Of just going
vaguely remembering things.
We're great at
it but butch cassidy the sundance kid like paul newman and robert redford what a combination and
what a story also it's so weirdly structured like it's it's in like two or it's probably three
i know two kind of distinct parts yeah and it's it's the narrative doesn't it's not like uh
it just kind of it's one of those meandering ones. Yeah. It's the chemistry of the bloody Butch Cassidy and Paul Newman and Robert Redford.
It's a shame that bloody Paul Newman died because I wanted them to do another movie together.
They were supposed to do one together where they wandered through the forest and Nick Nolte ended up doing it.
It's not very good.
Is it a Western or is it just a wandering?
No, it's just old men wandering in the forest.
I think that's what it's called as well.
Because they obviously did The Sting afterwards.
Yeah.
But they didn't do anything else together.
Yeah.
Even though they were good friends, Mason, apparently.
But no, what a fantastic movie.
And the way it starts off where the big moment in the first act is they just get chased across
the landscape or wherever the hell they are, I can't even remember, by this band of guys
who just want them to stop,
who have been hired to stop them from robbing trains.
Right, right.
And it just keeps going and going and going
and they're trying to shake these guys and they can't.
And it's, I don't know, I find it really amazing and fascinating.
But there's also the bit where they're standing in front of the train carriage
and it explodes.
Yes.
And they're really standing there.
Well, not there, but stuntmen.
Yeah.
But so many splinters to the face.
Oh, J-Wiz.
Like, that is an explosion and a half, man.
Yeah, you can't do that these days.
No, you really can't.
And you feel it.
Like, it's like teeth rattling.
Yeah.
You ever watch, like, I think they did it on Mythbusters.
They were like, we're going to blow this up with, like, Hollywood explosion.
And then we're going to blow this similar thing, like a car up. Then we're going to blow it up with, Hollywood explosion and we're going to, then we're going to blow this similar thing, like a car up.
Then we're going to blow it up with like a real demolition explosive.
Yeah.
There's no,
there's no,
there's no competition,
which is Hollywood explosions bigger.
No.
Oh,
really?
Explosions.
Oh,
right.
Like Hollywood explosion.
Like it's more flashy.
It's more flashy.
Like you blow up a car and like the doors fly off and it like jump,
you know,
pops up or whatever.
Demolition explosion.
There's just nothing.
There's less pyrotechnics, there's less fire,
but it's just reduced to nothing.
Shrapnel.
Yeah.
I was going to say, speaking of Robert Redford,
he does a lot of meandering movies.
Have you ever seen Jeremiah Johnson?
It's from the 70s.
No, I haven't, no.
And it's a meanderer of a Western.
Yeah.
It's kind of a, it's more contemplative.
It's kind of, I'm an outdoorsman.
I mean, his family are murdered and et cetera.
And there's revenge.
Blah, blah, blah.
But it's because it's filmed in his adopted home state,
because he bought Sundance.
Yeah, he did.
It was the first film filmed there.
Oh, okay.
It's kind of, it's a nice, you don't watch it on TV with ads
because it'll have to be split over several nights.
I've never even heard of this. It's kind of a, yeah, I guess it's one of the forgotten ones, which with ads because it'll go it'll have to be split over several nights yeah but it's I've never even heard of this
well it's kind of a
yeah I guess it's one of the forgotten ones
which is weird
because it's Redford
yeah yeah
but it's kind of
he made a lot of movies
yeah I guess that's true
now that I think about it
and he made a lot in the 70s
yes he did
yeah yeah
but it's weird
because the character is
based on a real life guy
called Liverita Johnson
is that what they call him in the movie?
no he's just called
it's not
you can't call a guy Liverita Johnson no it's not mentioned him In the movie? No he's just called It's not You can't call a guy
Liverator Johnson
No it's not mentioned at all
Yeah
But he's based on
There's no liverating
In the movie
Well what's the point Mason?
That's what I'm talking about
Gritty reboot
This is what we want
But it's a meandering affair
It's kind of a meandering affair
Okay fair enough
It's kind of
There's a lot of
There's a lot of I guess
There's a lot of beautiful vistas
Well that's what I like
Because he's like
Look at this vista
look at me i'm my own sundance i'm a rich man yeah yeah good on him man um yeah so but liverator
johnson was a real guy who would eat the livers of his enemies supposedly he doesn't need to do
that does he no they're dead they're dead yeah also eating eating livers will kill you yeah
that's right that's how that expedition died they ate the. They ate the dog livers. They ate the dog livers, yeah.
They died, yeah.
Was it the Arctic expedition?
I can't remember what it was.
Who knows?
Good luck, whoever you were.
Yeah, good luck.
Well done.
Yeah.
Eating a liver.
Don't eat a liver.
You can eat liver, though.
Yeah.
Like, you can eat...
I think it's certain animals.
Not sled dogs.
Not sled dogs, it turns out.
There's a handy hint.
Speaking of sled dogs...
Here we go.
No, I don't have a link.
The movie Snow Dogs. Actually, I was going to say, well, Speaking of sled dogs. Here we go. No, I don't have a link. The movie Snow Dogs.
Actually, I was going to say, well, speaking of sled dogs and expeditions.
Yeah.
Have you seen The Treasure of the Sierra Madre?
I have not seen The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.
It's not strictly a West.
Get it out of here.
No, what do you mean by that?
Well, you might call it a neo-Western.
It's not like Cowboys and Indians and shooting shootings.
Right, right.
It's set in Mexico.
Yeah.
And it's Humphrey Bogart.
Yeah.
And somebody else who I can't recall.
It's not pronounced Boggart.
How dare you?
Oh, what if it was though?
Oh, I'm back on board actually
now that I think about it.
Tim Holt is the other guy's name
and Walter Houston.
So it's directed by John Houston,
the famous director,
and he's got his father, Walter Houston in it. Okay directed by John Houston, the famous director, and he's got his father, Walter Houston, in it.
Okay.
And John Houston's the father of Angelica Houston.
Right, right.
You know her as Morticia Adams.
I do know her, yes.
I mean, other things also.
That's all I know.
A storied career, but Angelica Houston.
But it's basically Bogart.
Yeah, Bogart and Tim Holt are like these two down-and-out guys in Mexico.
Right.
And they meet in like a halfway house they meet walter
houston who's this old prospector and they decide that they're gonna head deep into mexico and like
prospect for gold and find gold and sort of make their fortune that way yeah and they run into like
mexican bandits and mexican bandits who are posing as federales who want you know to the big you know
this illegal prospecting
and gold mining.
No wonder they're building that wall.
Dangerous times, mate.
Exactly.
And then they run into real federales.
And it's great because alliances shift over the movie.
You're like, oh, these are a couple of good guys.
This is from the 50s?
This is from like 1948.
So it's black and white.
Well, you lost me, but go on.
Well, here's the thing.
Every once in a while, you run into a movie that's in black and white that's from me but go on well here's the thing every once in a while
you run into a movie
that's in black and white
that's from pre-19
from pre-The Matrix
and it's pretty good
this is one of my favourites
like
but Alliance of Shift
show you like
oh these
maybe they're all great
you know
they all seem like good guys
they're just down and like
but maybe they're not
maybe they're a bunch of real pricks
I have to say
but
like there's
actually some really
good action sequences there's one early on like they so they you know they're guys down on the
like they're just sort of panhandling kind of thing and they meet uh like a like a well-to-do
like dandyish gentleman who's like well why don't you why don't you come and work for me like work
on this work in this mine and uh you know honest days work for an honest day's pay kind of thing
and it's these two guys and like a whole bunch of other people get on the ship and they they head
out there and they do you know they work on this in this quarry and it's backbreaking labor right
and they come back and the guy's like hmm i haven't delivered the checks i'll uh i'll just
go to the bank and i'll you know i'll i'll work you know i'll you guys stay here kind of thing
yeah and then he just takes off and like like, they learn later that this is,
he does this to all the new guys in the town.
He just gets them to do the labor and then he runs out on them
and they run into him in the street and he's like,
come in here and have a drink with me kind of thing.
Like, oh, you know, how about I pay you 10% now
and I'll pay you the rest later and have a drink on me kind of thing.
And they're like, no, no, we're settling this now.
And he's this big imposing man in this suit and hat and kind of thing.
And he just glasses one of them and he tries to make a break for it.
And they just, like it's this action sequence
where it's like these two desperate men
trying to just get what they deserve from this guy.
And they just pounded.
Like it's this fight, like it's all kind of one shot fight sequence.
And it could go either way.
And you just feel for these guys, like these desperate guys who just want to get what they're owed kind of thing.
And that's what a lot of fight scenes are lacking.
Like a reason for fighting.
Yeah.
And, but they like, it's not really, this is early on the film.
It's not really a spoiler, but there's like,
he's got them both down and you think he's going to take off and one of them like grabs for his legs and the other guy gets in
and they just paste him and they leave him like a bloody heap
on the ground and they just grab his wallet out of his jacket pocket
and they take the money they're owed and they throw the rest back
in his face and they just sort of take off.
And I'm like, phew.
That's great.
It feels great.
Okay.
What was that called again?
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.
Interesting.
Yeah, it's a real good one.
Well, Mason, if we're talking great Westerns from the 90s.
Good segue.
Free Matrix, sorry.
If we're talking free Matrix Westerns, Young Guns, I haven't seen it.
Is it crap?
Probably.
I haven't seen it either.
All right.
Well, do you want to quickly talk about some Western comedies?
What I enjoy about these when we go specific is I'm sure there are many people out there,
and this is their, like, they're like, these guys, this is my genre.
I love it.
These guys are going to make a hash of it, and we do.
Every time.
Comedies.
Three Amigos.
Oh, yes.
Which is kind of loosely based on Magnificent Seven.
Yep.
Funny, funny movie, man.
Uh-huh.
And will hopefully be remade by the four ladies from Ghostbusters
if I have my way.
It's us, the three amigos,
all four of us.
Blazing Saddles.
Great.
Which we talked about recently.
And A Million Ways to Die in the West.
Is that Rob Schneider?
No, that's...
Oh, that's...
You're thinking of Ridiculous Six.
Oh, yeah.
It's the one with Seth MacFarlane.
Have you seen that?
I have.
There's... Were you tricked into seeing it? It's okay. It's not like... You McFarlane have you seen that I have there's were you tricked into
seeing it
it's okay
it's not like
you hated Ted
didn't you
yeah
I don't think it's worse
than Ted
it had one joke in it
yeah but I think the one
joke that I really like
they spoil in the trailer
and it's the Doc Brown
shows up
yeah
like he knocks on the
door and he's working
on the DeLorean
like it's really great
but it's just like
it's not as bad
I don't think it's as bad as people say but I can see why it didn't make money it's it's really great but it's just like it's not as bad i don't think it's as
bad as people say but i could see why it didn't make money it's weird because when i see a trailer
for a western now i'm just like oh whatever but i actually like i said i do like westerns but
i feel like they're so few and far between the really good ones a good modern one 310 to yuma
remake yeah christian bale has half a wooden foot or something that's right yeah but it's the it's
the back part.
Is it?
Which is weird.
No, I'm kidding.
Why would it be?
He's got real leg up to the ankle, wooden ankle, and then real.
I thought you meant the heel.
I thought you meant just the heel.
No.
How did they get him?
They reattached the feet.
Who knows?
He's just got rotten toes at the end.
Yeah, that's right.
That'd be great.
That's my real foot.
Don't worry about that.
But no, that's a Russell Crowe Western as well.
And it's a fantastic...
Why wouldn't it be?
He's the greatest actor in the world.
Correct.
But Christian Bale is also a very good actor.
Not the greatest actor in the world.
That's true, if he had to choose.
If Russell Crowe had to choose,
he would say that he's the greatest actor.
Look, I don't really remember it that well,
but I remember loving it when I saw it at the time.
Westerns movies you go back to?
Or are you one and done with Westerns?
No, no, I definitely go back.
Most of these, I'm like, I will definitely go back to this.
Like, I want to go back to Unforgiven.
I want to go back to Butch Cassidy again.
Dances with Wolves is obviously, it's a two-parter, but I'll not go back to it.
I really want to watch Tombstone again.
Yeah.
So, no, some of them, for sure, yeah.
What about you?
Yeah, why not? not yeah give him a shot
mate
did you see the
assassination of
Jesse James by the
coward Robert Ford
no
talking about
talking about a
meander mate
but it's really
great
okay
how is it a
meander though
it's very very
very long
how much
assassinating is
there
one
how much
lead up to
assassinating
many days is there at any point How much lead up to assassinating?
Many days.
Is there at any point a scene where the assassin goes to like a stagecoach and Jack Black's in it and Jack Black supplies him with the guns?
The Jackal style?
That is not a thing that happens.
I think that's something that's obviously missing from that movie.
But it's Brad Pitt, right?
Yeah, it's Brad Pitt.
It's Casey Affleck.
Okay.
Now, Casey Affleck's the coward Robert Ford. He is, yeah, yeah. The thing about these movies are it's brad pitt yeah it's brad pitt it's casey affleck okay it's the casey affleck's
the coward robert ford gears yeah yeah the thing about these movies are it's not something i'm
like you'll have a great time yep you know what i mean you'll it's a fun ride yeah it's it's
non-stop action most of these are just like they're meandering they're contemplative there's
an occasional horrible gunfight somebody gets a splinter and dies.
Do you know what I mean?
I love, yeah, exactly.
Someone has gonorrhea or whatever.
Do you think it's a true Western if it doesn't end in a two-man shootout?
No, I think most of these probably don't end
in a two-man shootout.
But some of them are pretty good, right?
But some of them do.
There's the shootout at the OK Corral
in bloody, what's it called, Tombstone,
which is great.
So sometimes there's a multiple men shootout.
Also, the thing about this era that I kind of love,
and it's the same kind of thing the Matrix,
not the Matrix, Game of Thrones sort of has,
where anybody can die at any second.
That's true.
If it's done well, because it's so,
like you could get shot in the shoulder and die,
which is how it would be,
because you get an infection and you die.
And it's over a period of weeks.
Do you know what I mean?
Like you lose a leg and then, you know, they have to, you know, you get shot in the leg
and you have to cut your leg off or whatever.
Like, yeah.
And that's, I also love the sense of lawlessness.
Yes.
Like the sense of, it's, everything's a legal, it's kind of a legal gray area.
Right, right, yeah.
Like maybe you can shoot a, maybe you can shoot a guy and get away with it
depending who the guy is
yeah true
yeah
hmm
seen True Grit
not the John Wayne one
I'm presuming that's terrible
maybe it's amazing
I don't know
nah
True Grit's great though
it is great
yeah
people say that
some people say though
they enjoy the John Wayne
performance more than the
what's his name
Jeff Bridges performance
okay
but I can't speak to that
I cannot imagine enjoying a Jeff Bridges performance less than a John Wayne performance do you? Jeff Bridges' performance. Okay. But I can't speak to that. I cannot imagine enjoying a Jeff Bridges' performance
less than a John Wayne performance.
Do you think Jeff Bridges does a bit too much
now based on this?
Like he's just carried it with him?
It's his Pacino.
It's his hoo-ah.
No, I don't think so.
You don't think he does a bit too much of it?
No.
Okay, fair enough.
I think you're watching the wrong movies.
Maybe you're watching the wrong movies.
How dare you?
You're not watching Tron legacy as much as i am
that is certainly true though i did start at the other day on netflix and i went no i remember this
and i turned off oh wow it's fine you're missing out man it's great i've seen it i'm not missing
out i have seen it now you're missing out because you didn't watch it again does no country for old
men count did we talk about that yeah that counts as a western what about um uh what's that one called blood there will be blood
that's sort of a west it's more prospecting an oil that's the yeah it's got all the trappings
of a western but it doesn't feel like a western the same way because it's not shootouts and
yeah bad guys roll into town it's a man stealing other people's oil they're descending yeah like
i guess if you changed oil to guns no i was No, I was going to say if you changed...
Yes.
But if you changed oil to like shares...
Yeah, sure.
Like, and he said it in the modern day.
Bonds and stocks.
Bonds, yeah.
If you change oil to a man holding onto a chandelier with his feet and spinning in a
circle shooting a room full of guys, then yeah, I guess it's a Western in that way.
Yeah, right?
Yeah.
But it's obviously that era, but it's not a lot of hats, is it? No, that's true. not it's not a lot of hats is it
or maybe there is a lot of hats
have you seen that
you probably have I should
I have yes
what a fantastic movie
the proposition I haven't seen
that's an Australian western
with Guy Pearce
and Robert Pattinson
and apparently it's amazing
and that's one of the ones
I wanted to get to
before this show
but I didn't get around to it
I'm going to write that down
I'll write it down
I'll write it down right now
you write it down
you use that pen of yours
look at your pen and your book.
Why don't you go back to the 1930s, you dumbass?
Get in your penny farthing and fuck off.
Sorry, that was unnecessary.
No, that's all right.
And the soundtrack's by Nick Cave.
Yes, it is.
He was an amazing...
That's a thing that I know.
An amazing man.
I'm trying to think if there's anything else here on my list.
I think I've covered most of my big ones.
Well, here's one that I mentioned ad nauseum.
It is a Western, The Rundown. It is a Western, The Rundown.
It's a Western.
The Rundown.
Which one's that?
Welcome to the Jungle.
Oh, The Rock.
The Rock and Sean William Scott.
I love The Rock.
I mean, I love that movie.
And Christopher Walken's in it.
Yeah.
It ends with a...
Yeah, because he's a man.
Well, he hasn't wandered into town.
No.
But he's gone into this isolated...
It is a Western.
There's no help.
There's no cavalry coming.
It's just him and sean william scott and
the weird biplane pilot guy and rosario dawson yeah and christopher walken yeah except they
took out the bit where christopher walken gets shot in the gun and he goes ow yeah it's in the
trailer but it's not in the movie and the rock uses that like cocks a shotgun on a cow yeah at
one point it's great but it'd be two shotguns yeah it is two
shotguns yeah he's a real because yeah because if he only had one he could just do it himself
yeah but he's a reluctant hero he's he's he's gone into town to rescue well to to yeah retrieve this
guy yep and he's just it's a it's a town that's lorded over by a like a a christopher walken
christopher walken type and he's you know he's he he's built his own law, but it's no good.
That's right.
And this guy just wants to get in and get out,
but then his morals take over and he's like,
I guess I have to kill everyone.
And at the very start, he fights a whole NFL team
and hits a guy in the back of the head with a turntable.
Yeah, it's great.
So good.
From a distance.
There's a bunch of whip guys.
There's so many whip guys.
There's one whip guy.
No, he's got two whips.
Yeah, but at the end, there's more than one whip guy.
There's more than one whip guy.
I'm going to have to watch this again.
There's a little person runs through the bar before the fight starts.
Oh, that's right.
Which is the modern day equivalent of the piano player stopping.
Yes.
Apparently Magnificent Seven has that.
Great.
The new one.
It has the piano stop.
Nice.
Which is a trademark of the Western.
Do you think the modern reinterpretation
well people seem to be enjoying it
but do you think the modern reinterpretation of the western
like if it just takes too many action movie
tropes do you think it's
yeah I think it loses something in it and I think that's probably what the
Magnificent Seven is
I'd imagine
but then you overcompensate by adding in Piano Player
yeah that's right
and like Derringer in the bloody
in the boot and whatnot.
Yeah, yeah.
We can go to some listener ones though.
Okay, I'd like to hear them.
This one is actually a lot of fun.
This is from Glenn Maverick.
That is fun.
Yeah.
Glenn is a fun name.
It certainly is.
Maverick, it's a shame that Mel Gibson is a dickhead,
but he's a super charismatic one,
which I'd totally agree with.
Have you seen Maverick?
It's actually a sequel to the original show
with James Garner, who I bloody love, mate.
He's great.
Is he in The Magnificent Seven?
I don't know if that's actually...
It's a sequel.
So wait.
So who's Maverick?
Who is the Maverick in Maverick?
Okay, to spoil it.
Please.
Wait, don't spoil a movie that came out in 1987 or whatever.
But this is from... No, actually, I don't think he is in it. Maybe he's in The Magnificent Seven. I don't spoil a movie that came out in 1987 or whatever. But this is from...
No, actually, I don't think he is in it.
Maybe he's in The Magnificent Seven.
I don't know.
Anyway, I'm going to look that up.
I need to know.
Yeah.
Because I love bloody James Garner.
Because he's great in Great Escape.
It's true.
I might be thinking of James Coburn.
Uh-huh.
But anyway.
Yeah.
So, what is it?
One of Bruce Lee's students.
Right.
Yeah. Weird, right? One with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Together at last, I say. you are yeah so what is it one of Bruce Lee's students right yeah weird
I'm with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
together at last
I say
did you know
that Kareem
because I was
walking past Minotaur
which is Melbourne's biggest
and
it's just Melbourne's biggest
yeah it's just
whatever it is
it's the biggest one
but it's like
I was going to say
it's Melbourne's biggest comic store
with it's most disaffected staff
who are just like
I'm buying this
what do you think
and they're like
I don't know.
I don't want to engage.
But I was going past them.
They don't want to get into arguments with nerds.
I get it.
No, I understand too.
But in the window, they had a Mycroft Holmes comic book written by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
because he's a massive Sherlock Holmes fan.
Really?
That guy's full of surprises.
He's a massive Sherlock Holmes fan.
Literally.
Because he's very tall.
Very good.
And he's in scrubs at one point.
And an airplane.
I've seen it.
It's like flying high.
Right, right.
He's not in an airplane.
I never.
What?
I know.
I'm not that guy, but what?
It's not a Western though, is it?
No, that's true.
So why would I have seen it?
I should not mention it at all.
But Maverick, it turns out that Mel Gibson and James Garner meet up and they go on this
cruise together.
And Mel Gibson plans to steal all the money from the poker game that game that's playing and jody foss is in it as well and whatever and it
turns out that james garner is the original maverick and mel gibson is his son huh yeah
but now gibson's maverick son of maverick so mel gibson is called maverick so it's kind of revealed
at the end that oh no this oh that you think that they've just gotten james garner because he was in
the original TV series,
but it turns out it's the same guy.
Yep.
Which is sort of.
So it's really cool.
Hey, speaking of amazing Westerns based on original TV series.
Yes.
Wild Wild West.
I just thought of it.
What do you think of that movie?
I've seen it in bits.
What?
You never saw it at the cinema?
No.
Huh.
Even at the time, I'm like, I'm not seeing this.
Really?
Yeah.
But that was bloody Will Smith fever.
I know.
He was charming.
He was Will Smith-ing about.
He'd just done Men in Black, probably.
And I love Kevin Kline.
He's always doing a rap at the end of his movies that summarise what the movie's about. Suicide Squad nearly had a rap.
Yeah.
Which I heard recently.
Wow.
Disappointing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Balls.
Someone's got No UH. I don Disappointing. Yeah. Yeah, balls. Someone's got...
No UH.
I don't know how to say that.
Said Cowboy Bebop.
Very good.
Ha, ha.
Just bloody...
The Lone Ranger from Dude Bro McDoodly.
It's horrifying.
It's the only West Night I've watched,
unless the Zara movies count.
I liked The Lone Ranger, the new one.
I think it's a bit of a bloody rom-com.
In what sense did you like it?
Well, I went to see it with some people,
and it was with some older people.
I was in a group of old people.
Don't ask me why.
Why?
I don't know.
It was just family, friends, and whatever.
You know how it is.
And they're like, oh, we should see Lone Ranger.
I'm like, no, we shouldn't.
We definitely shouldn't see the Lone Ranger.
So I'm thinking it's going to be total garbage.
But it's kind of fun.
I mean, Johnny Depp's weird makeup and crow,
I don't like any of that.
And he's running about.
There's a lot of that.
Like, he just jacks barrows it.
But Army Hammer Man is solid in it.
I think it's worth seeing.
Matt Williams says,
I like both versions of 310 to Yuma.
Not a movie, but Red Dead Redemption is fantastic.
Ben Foss is great in 310 to Yuma.
Yeah, he is, isn't he?
He's really good.
He's got a great jacket.
And teeth.
He does have teeth.
So there's creepy teeth?
Yeah, he does have teeth.
Am I thinking of a different movie where he's got creepy teeth?
Not the Western, the vampire one.
He's got bad teeth in that.
Oh, yeah.
Anyway.
Fraser Baxter says, not a movie, but Red Dead Redemption is fantastic.
Absolutely it is. is you ever played that
that's a western and a half
that bloody video game
I've never played it
but no I'm on board
Josiah says
it has to be
the good the bad
blah blah blah
or Back to the Future 3
that is a western
isn't it
did you
we talked about
Hateful Eight
didn't we
a few people have said
Hateful Eight
including Gopal
I'm largely indifferent.
Yeah, me too.
What about Django?
What do you think of Django?
Django Unchained or the original Django?
I haven't seen the original.
Neither have I.
Should we get onto it, right?
Yeah, maybe.
Because that's also a remake of Yojimbo.
Oh, right.
Yeah, so.
There you go, mate.
Just can't stop.
Get a bloody original idea of the Western film industry.
You can't.
Can't do it, yep.
But I didn't't I like Django
I think I need to see it again
that's a full act too long
that movie
yeah
yeah no I'd agree with that
and it taught
Quentin Tarantino
that you can have a movie
that's a full act too long
and just keep doing that
well his editor died
she died
whoops
I don't know
whether that was the last one
or what
KB Photography says
Unforgiven
Clint Eastwood
and Morgan Freeman
Morgan Freeman's in that
isn't he
I forgot that yeah Drew Lewis Drew Lama sorry says What? KB Photography says, Unforgiven, Clint Eastwood and Morgan Freeman. Morgan Freeman's in that, isn't he?
I forgot that.
Drew Lewis, Drew Lama, sorry, says,
Greatest, Worst and Ever is Three Amigos.
Silverado, 1985, probably because we studied it when I took media back in high school.
That's from Orion.
That is fascinating that a movie you studied
is a favorite movie of yours.
Because that kills things for you, doesn't it?
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, yeah.
Jamie Coy says,
Young Gun, surprisingly much of Lincoln,
Country War slash Billy the Kid details are correct.
There you go.
I don't think that era of actors were like,
you know, they're like,
this is Emilio Estevez, this is Buddy,
these guys, they're cool guys.
Were they the frat pack?
Were they the frat pack?
They were the brat pack.
The brat pack, okay. The frat pack
Seth Rogen. Is it?
And his friends. It's Franco
and Rogen and Jonah Hill. It's those guys.
He's one of them. Yeah. Oh, okay. Right.
Do you think we're due for another comedy
troupe coming through?
The scat pack.
Yeah, that's right.
No, we don't know.
No, a few more years.
Yeah, but I think we're nearly due for one.
Because I think it was the...
It was kind of your...
What's his name?
Adam Sandler and all that.
That was in the 90s.
And maybe Jim Carrey, but he's not really in a pack.
It was your Adam Sandler guys.
And then it was like your Will Ferrells and your Ben Stillers and your Owen Wilsons.
And then it became your...
Your Frankos.
Your Frankos and whatever.
And I think we're nearly due for another one.
Who knows who it's going to be, Mason?
Didrick says, Cowboys and Aliens.
Just kidding, that movie was crap, he says.
You're on my list.
You made the list, yeah.
A lot of people saying 310 to Yuma.
Colin Thomas says, The Gunfighter.
Classic Gregory Peck.
Immortalized by the Bob Dylan song,
Brownsville Girl.
I haven't actually seen that one.
Gregory Peck's good though, isn't he?
Gregory Peck.
Gregory Peck.
Yes.
I'll hit you with my ring hand.
Have you seen that?
No.
Don't worry about it.
Okay.
Easily Tombstone from Fraser.
True Grit remake,
Good, Bad, The Ugly.
Django from Tristan.
What's Hayley Stanfeld done since then?
She's a pop star now, I think.
No, she's got a movie coming out where she was in high school
when Woody Harrelson's the teacher.
It looks really funny.
I can't remember what it's called, but it's not out yet.
Or it is, I don't know.
Great.
Has Woody Harrelson done a Western?
Surely.
You'd think so.
Google it real quick.
I will.
Okay.
Do you want to read a couple more while I'm...
Well, I was going to say, did you know that Blazing Saddles is the first movie that had
an audible farts in it?
Did you know that?
Why would I know that?
For real?
No, because it's a fun little fact.
Did you know that?
No, I didn't.
I guess that's interesting.
And weirdly...
Yeah.
I didn't see it on TV.
I saw it on video, but apparently in the American TV release,
because it's around the campfire scene,
they cut all the farts out.
But that's the point of that scene.
Correct.
So it's just soundless.
Yeah.
And just fire just...
Yeah.
Okay.
He's in The Jewel with Liam Hemsworth.
Haven't seen it.
No.
No one's seen that.
Yeah.
I wonder how many blockbusters that went to no one's seen that
movie that was a 2016 not even miley cyrus has seen that movie 90 percent wrong tomorrow he's
like hey do you want to do you want to see my latest movie and she's like nah i'll be fine
i think that'll do it though mason okay great but if you've got a if you've got a western
if you've got a if you've got a john wayne maybe specifically yeah it's great let know. Even one that we haven't mentioned that you think is definitely worth seeing.
I'd love to hear it.
I'm always on the lookout for movies to watch, Mason.
It's a constant thing that I do.
You've got to feed the machine.
He's like a shark, but for movies.
If he doesn't watch a movie every day, he'll die.
And when my teeth fall out, another row is there to replace it.
I'm like a shark in two ways, Mason.
That's very handy.
Well, Mason, it's time for the segment of the show
where we talk about what we have been reading
and what we're going to read.
I don't think it's called that exactly, but here's the theme song.
I'm doing the theme.
What are we reading today?
Yeah. You ready? Yes. What are you reading today? Yeah.
You ready?
Yes.
What are you reading?
You got a notepad?
You got a phone?
Pick one.
No, I'm not.
And my bloody iPad.
I'm getting them all out.
You got too much, mate.
No, it's good.
It's great.
What did you watch or read this week, last week?
What did I watch or read?
Bloody hell.
I can start if you want.
Okay, go ahead.
I watched the first episode of Reservoir. I was going to say, mine was going to be Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., but you took it by saying it earlier. I can start if you want. Okay, go ahead. I watched the first episode of Red Dwarf.
I was going to say, mine was going to be Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., but you took it by saying it earlier.
Sucked in, mate.
Yeah, right.
Red Dwarf's back.
I watched the first episode.
Is it?
Okay.
I'm back.
Great.
It's okay.
I know.
What does that mean?
It was okay.
Not as good as Red Dwarf X?
I really liked Red Dwarf X.
I thought it was an okay episode.
It wasn't super funny.
Where are they?
They were on Starbug at the start, but they don't explain
why. Where's Red Dwarf?
Oh no, sorry, we see Red Dwarf at the end.
But nobody watches Red Dwarf
when we talk about this. Somebody on Twitter asked
if we were going to do a Red Dwarf episode.
Maybe at some point.
When we've lost all our
listeners.
When it's just the three people
who will enjoy a Red Dwarf episode,
which is us two and the guy who lost.
We should do a Red Dwarf episode,
but I don't feel like anybody would listen.
Anyway, you should watch Red Dwarf,
at least the first six series,
especially three to six or seven.
I can't remember.
Three to six is the best.
Speaking of westerns
there's an emmy winning episode called gunman of the apocalypse that is a fantastic episode well
it's emmy winning yeah that's a fantastic bloody if you want to read dwarf get into that yeah you
could probably just watch that couldn't you i think that works probably yeah on standalone it'll be
yeah yeah also uh i i've got written down like i've got a list of stuff that i'm gonna get
to at some point this week i'm gonna get to uh chip zadarsky has is writing the new jughead
series right okay cool he's great yeah he knows what he's doing yeah i was gonna say the new
magnificent seven looks like that episode of red dwarf because they all seem to like they have
powers there's the arrow guy there's a knife guy there's this there's the gunfighter whatever it
feels like that episode of Red Dwarf.
I also watched every episode of The Night Of, the HBO drama,
which has been critically acclaimed.
It's got Riz Ahmed, who's in the new Star Wars as well, coming up.
And it's about, he's a, he's not a cab driver, he's the son of a cab driver.
What, a son of a cab driver?
The real bloody son of a cab driver.
He gets embroiled in a murder charge, which maybe he did,
maybe he didn't do.
And it's about the trial and the process
and what happens to him
being put away
while this kind of trial is happening.
And it's amazing.
It's not fun.
You won't have a good time, Mason.
It's not a romp.
I'm all about a romp, folks.
But it's definitely well worth checking out.
Anything else that you recommend reading
or what to read?
On Netflix, there is a...
Mark Maron's in it.
It's like a series of vignettes.
I've got to find them.
Have you heard about this arc?
This movie Arc?
Oh, the time travel one.
Time travel one.
It's exclusive to Netflix.
Yeah, how'd that go?
I haven't watched it.
Okay, right.
What did I say?
Did I say I've seen it?
No, no, no.
Okay.
What are you looking for?
This thing Mark Maron's doing.
Is it the love one?
Yeah, easy.
Yeah.
Oh, is that vignettes?
It's a series of... I didn't know that. I thought it was a...
Well, let's find out. Nah.
I don't know what it's about, but Maron's in it, so
I'm on board. You're on board!
Never forget! Okay. Alright, Mason,
you know what it's time for now? No. It's a different segment. You don't know?
You're not familiar, because we do this every week.
Has Robert De Niro ever done a Western?
Surely. You would think so. He doesn't fit that.
Some people don't look good in a Western. Yeah, you're right. And I don't think he would, in particular. What if it was De Niro ever done a Western? Surely. He would think so. He doesn't fit that. Some people don't look good in a Western.
Yeah, you're right.
And I don't think he would in particular.
What if it was De Niro Pacino?
No, Pacino would be terrible in a Western.
Yeah.
No.
It's a shame.
Like a modern Western, yes.
Yeah.
What do you know about Briscoe County Junior?
What?
It's the Bruce Campbell.
It's similar to Wild Wild West.
It's Briscoe. It's like Bruce Campbell. It's similar to Wild Wild West. It's Briscoe.
It's like a Western.
It's set in the Wild West, but he's like a secret agent.
He's got like high-tech stuff.
When's it from?
Like the 90s?
No, I don't know it.
I bet it's shit.
Probably.
I should give it a whirl.
If you like it, let me know if it's good or not.
All right.
Okay.
The classic one was...
Letters, oh letters, we love you.
Some letters, they're only a day away
I know they're here right now
We're going to be letters
This is from Matthew Pringle
Who's at Lonely underscore Whacker to do
He spelled Lonely wrong
But I think that might be a Twitter character thing
Not enough
If you want to reach the show
Hashtag Weekly Planet Pod.
That's what you do.
Don't you do it, Mason.
What is the likelihood of the Mad Max sequel and what do you think it will be about?
It's going to be a Furiosa prequel, right?
That was a test, Mason, and you passed it.
There was a report this week in an Australian newspaper, which are renowned for printing
garbage.
Absolutely.
That the Furiosa prequel has gone into pre-production
and it's going to be filmed around broken hill and could start shooting later this year back in
australia that's bullshit you reckon they're really going to get that filming this year though
i don't doubt that it's going to happen do you think it's going to be in broken hill
yeah maybe what the last one was going to be in australia right and then yeah but
it flooded or something happened.
Yeah, yeah.
And there was some tax thing, I'm sure, as well.
And because they kept moving it around, I don't know, it got complicated.
But no, I definitely, so that's the direction it's going.
Excited for a Furiosa prequel?
Yes, I am.
Yeah, me too.
Also, I'm excited for the many varieties of Pringles that our friend is going to send to us.
Is that true?
I think so.
We're waiting, Pringle.
Get them our way.
If you could.
We've popped and we can't stop.
Correct.
Get them our way.
You know what?
They're okay.
People talk about them like they're amazing.
They're fine.
Wow.
What do you think?
I think they're great.
What are you, bloody in the pocket of a big Pringle, mate?
Yeah.
This is from Jealous General Hux or Jelly Jen on uh on uh twitter it's a good handle uh
what how start that again how would you feel if phase three finally of marvel films finally
revealed that stan lee and his cameo are to be utah uata sorry the watcher hashtag weekly planet
pod is it uata uatu iatu I say Uwatu Uwatu
that's it
it's one of those things
where I never say it out loud
what was your question
I've missed the whole thing
because I was looking at
did you know there's a
Ben Mendelsohn western
called Slow West
that sounds probably good
is it good
I don't know
Mendelsohn
yes
he's also in Rogue One
correct
Star Wars story
and there's one called Ravenous
yeah
horror western comedy
yeah
have you ever seen
Cannibal the Musical?
No.
It's very odd.
It's by the South Park guys.
Came out years ago.
Okay.
Okay.
Before.
South Park, yes.
Oh, really?
I was going to say before the one that people love.
Before Book of Mormon.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I used to draw that.
I haven't seen Book of Mormon.
Okay.
I've been meaning to see it.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Phase three, Stan Lee's revealed to be Uatu.
Yeah. Who is that? You're right. The Watcher watcher what do you think that's a popular fan theory i think that's why no i think uatu comes in i like
the idea i think it's a great fan theory as always i love all the fan theories please send them to me
at mr sunday movies send them to me at wikipedia brown if you've got a fun fan theory. I bloody love them all. Yeah.
But I don't think it can be because that Uatu would be part of the Fantastic Four package, I would imagine.
Yes, but we don't know where that's at.
Right, exactly.
So it's very possible. Yeah, I mean, it is very possible, but I don't think that's going to happen.
I think it's very possible. But I don't think that's going to happen. Also... I think it's very possible.
But I don't think most people notice it.
I think it might be a thing they do.
I think it might be a thing they do,
and this is kind of morbid,
when Stanley passes,
and they might retroactively be like,
it was this guy the whole time, or whatever.
No, you don't like it?
Because then they'd have to CGI animate some sort of...
You're telling me they don't have a CGI...
Stan Lee ready to go.
You think they don't?
Look, I think probably...
They've definitely scanned Stan Lee for the future.
There is no doubt...
Scan Lee.
There's no doubt in my mind they're not ready for that.
He probably made a guest appearance in Stripperella,
so they could probably just take that animated version
and add some rotoscoping to it and it'd be fine.
Exactly, yeah.
I think they'll make somebody... No. I think they'll make somebody else.
No, but I think it'll be him and then he'll morph and he'll be the real guy.
So it's just a facade so he can walk among people.
Yeah, maybe.
Okay.
All right, I've turned you around on it, Mason.
Yeah.
Look, I think it's a fun thing to think about.
Thank you.
But I think they will go...
Because that relies on everybody remembering
that he makes all the cameos in the...
Everybody knows that.
No, fans do.
No, everybody knows Stan Lee when they see him.
Didn't you say you saw Deadpool
and the woman next to you said,
that's Stan Lee.
Yeah, I did.
And you thought those people were going to leave.
Yeah, exactly.
Until that happened.
It was like a 70-year-old woman
and her 90-year-old grandmother
or something like that.
And I'm like, they've been tricked by the fake romantic comedy ads.
Yeah.
I think they are going to stand up and leave.
Yeah.
That's Stan Lee.
Exactly.
Yeah.
There is that ripple through the audience when you see a Stan Lee cameo.
Okay, yeah.
Maybe they're like, that's that old guy.
Maybe, yeah.
Yeah.
But you want it to be, who did you want to take over as the cameo in every...
DC Pearson.
I don't know why you chose him specifically.
I like him.
Because he was in Winter Soldier.
Yeah, but why him?
I don't know.
He's great.
He is, but he's not a Marvel creative, you know what I mean?
I guess you're right.
This is from Caleb Jensen, at Caleb28J, hashtag weeklyplanetpod, just watching Civil War.
How do you expect Marvel to deal with most of the characters being fugitives?
Don't know that word.
It's fugitives.
Yeah, I see.
I get it.
Thank you.
Yeah.
So they're on the run at the end.
Yeah.
I think we're going to get two Avengers teams, Secret of Avengers and-
Me too.
Yeah.
Also, I think it's going gonna be great because we're gonna I
you know what I would
look forward to is a
potentially maybe a two
acts of the character of
those characters with no
equipment yeah I think
that would be great
totally I think some and
then they have to fight
that yeah exactly yeah
but I mean what's the
practice with my shield
in months like yeah I
mean a guy with trick
arrows or a guy with his fists,
what's the difference against Thanos, really, when you think about it?
Yeah, I think that would be good.
And again, like, I think Marvel does this quite well.
You know, when they're...
Movies?
Just stuff.
That's sure, yeah.
Generally, like, again, if you were to say, you know, 10 years ago,
you know, in the 90s, if you were like,
we're going to do a Captain America... Yeah, pre-Matrix. If were like, we're going to do a Captain America.
Yeah, pre-Matrix.
If they said, we're going to do a Captain America series
for over a year, Captain America's not in it.
I'd be like, impossible.
You can't.
And I think also if you were to be like,
we're going to take all your favourite characters,
take all their equipment away.
What do you reckon about that?
I'd be like, you know.
Don't.
Don't do it.
You know, there's not enough to distinguish them. We gonna make captain america or werewolf but i yeah but i think
there's enough to distinguish they're all great yeah they're all great character actors they're
fun they've got they work together really great some things work in the movies that don't work
in comics and vice versa yeah so yeah i think there's certain story arcs which yeah obviously
but i would like an arc and maybe the next avengers where that team is just has to be like shit yeah we we got all we've got is look we're
all decked out in the classic incognito marvel movie character uniform which is leather jacket
t-shirt baseball cap sunglasses i want captain america to have a fake mustache like he does in
the civil war comic and they can just do some espionage stuff. Yeah, man. Some heisty stuff.
I feel like that's not going to be the,
this isn't going to be the movie for that.
We might get like 15, 20 minutes of it,
maybe half an hour at the start.
And then they'll have to come back together
to fight Thanos.
And I think that will also be a,
it's interesting that the point of contention
will not only be the galactic threat,
but also them getting along.
Yeah.
Which is kind of like what the first Avengers
sort of did.
Yeah.
I really want to see just that movie though now.
Right?
Yeah.
Maybe we'll get it.
I'm a good ideas man.
You are.
I'm a bad detail man.
I'm a bad showing up on time man.
Yeah.
I'm a bad knowing what this equipment does man.
You're a bad having a phone and an iPad and a notepad.
I mean you're good at that but it's a bad idea.
I'm an ideas man.
Certainly.
Yeah.
I think that's the show Mason.
I think we did it.
But it's nearly the show.
Do you have any DC memes for this week?
People loved the DC memes.
People, look, guys, if you have a, well, any kind of comic book meme.
It has to be illogical.
Here's what I want in a meme.
Thank you for everybody.
A lot of people have sent me some good jokes and stuff like that, which is great.
Like meme-based jokes.
They're great.
I don't want them i
want a meme that makes no sense and there's more text than there is than there is visual yeah it's
got to be somebody who's clearly having an argument with somebody else in meme form that's what i want
that's what i just want i just want something if you're not the world's biggest fan yeah you have
no idea what's happening.
A few people sent me this.
At Art himself on Twitter sent me this meme.
It is, it's in my Twitter feed, so it's at Wikipedia brand.
It'll be in there.
Just find it.
Yeah, yeah.
It's Marvel, it's two characters.
One has a Marvel head.
One has a DC head.
They're having an argument.
It is nine panels long.
It's all text. It is horrific. Oh, I've seen that one. It is so bad. Do is nine panels long it's all text it is horrific
oh I've seen that one
it is so bad
do you want to read it?
no it makes no sense
just find it
and then it ends with
image comics
yeah
he's flinching
I don't know what it means
I don't know what it memes
very good
what is it meme
anyway I just love memes
I just love them so much
I know
if you've got any memes
send them our way
send me some memes
specifically to Mason yeah that one is nonsense though that one is so pure that's what i want though yeah
they have to be nonsense yeah all right mason thank you for coming along to the show this week
absolutely my pleasure to come along to the show next week uh luke cage we probably won't do
spoilers yeah because it would have just come out for a couple of days but i may not have finished
it by the time we're doing it i will probably have to have because I'm sure I'll do a video or whatever.
Got to find them Easter eggs.
Some bloody thing like that or whatever.
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Cool.
That's what they, I didn't set it up.
They set it up.
So, sorry, Mason.
So that's not the Weekly Planet.
So that's only me specifically.
That's okay. Well, you can buy all the specific Mr. Sunday Movies themed t-shirts.
All one of them.
I don't think there is.
No, there's one.
Is there?
It says shooting up your butthole
oh yeah
you got the bad slogan
I did
which you invented
and I get the bad slogan
correct
so it works
you know how many people
would have turned off
this show from
I'm sure just the opening song
just been like
not for me
because of that line
well we chose it
so
it won the competition
so
it did
it's really good actually
I really like the song
which reminds me
thank you to the Brute
and the Bass and Rackham for all our themes correct uh and i think
that'll uh the show i think yeah next week something else luke cage but also yeah caravan
of garbage this thursday come back to all platforms and it will be there yeah ready a lot
of people a lot of good feedback yeah let us know we'd love to do another series no background music
got it all right that's the feedback that's on me that was just that was just because we're a lot of good feedback. Yeah. Let us know. We'd love to do another series. No background music. Got it. All right.
That's the feedback.
That's on me.
That was just,
that was just,
because we're working it out.
So yeah.
We got,
yeah,
we got,
we got one,
we got two more
and then maybe one more video.
Yeah,
maybe.
We're working on it.
And the next two are a little bit shorter
because they cost less to edit
and they take less time.
So they're about,
no,
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FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship
between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies
on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London.
One woman has a secret.
The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost.
FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+.
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