The Weekly Planet - 19 Eisenberg/Luthor & History Of Robocop

Episode Date: February 3, 2014

This week we talk Jesse Eisenberg being cast as Lex Luthor, Quicksilver and Sentinals from X-Men Days Of Future Past, Ninja Turtles plus a look at the best of worst from the Robocop franchise. Hosted ...on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:25 Register today at sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. Welcome everyone to another episode of The Weekly Planet, official podcast of ComicBookMovie.com My name is James, junior editor at that website I said Mr. Sunday is also a name that I go by With me is Nick Mason, Mr. Nick Mason That's the name I go by How are you going?
Starting point is 00:01:01 I'm excellent, thank you sir Sure, that's great Do you have any personal news before we get on with this podcast? It's been a big week for movie news. Ah, oh,
Starting point is 00:01:10 I went to see the James Bond exhibition. Yes, you did. I did, James Bond. Even though you promised we'd go together, you still went without me.
Starting point is 00:01:14 Yeah, I betrayed you, I think. And again, once again, this is your forum for announcing various betrayals that have happened in your personal life.
Starting point is 00:01:22 That's what you do evidently in this. It's all a bit of subterfuge, so you can... But you did text me throughout the day, though. With pictures of the delightful... You know what? It's supposed to represent the 23 Bond films that have been released. The 23 official ones.
Starting point is 00:01:38 There's a lot of stuff from Die Another Day, which is the last Pierce Brosnan Bond film, and it's definitely the worst Bond film and potentially the worst film of all time. Yeah, it's not good in any way.
Starting point is 00:01:49 Do you reckon it's the worst Bond film? Yeah. It probably is. Yes. I mean, I haven't seen them all but... You've seen that one.
Starting point is 00:01:54 I've seen that one. You can extrapolate based on the paragliding the one where Bond is trying to escape a giant laser beam fired from space using a paraglider that he's fashioned himself.
Starting point is 00:02:06 Yeah, from a jet car. From a jet drag racer, and it's all CGI. Yeah, that's pretty great. Yeah, you're right. Anyway, it's actually a really good exhibition. Golden Gun. See, I took photos. You only sent me the Die Another Day photos. I sent you the robot suit from Die Another Day,
Starting point is 00:02:21 the electrical robot suit. The diamonds from Diamond Face? The diamonds that end up in Diamond Face's face. Hence getting him the moniker Diamond Face. Why did they create that character and give him any other name than Diamond Face? I don't know. Everybody in the world calls him Diamond Face. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:33 That's not just us. No, it's not just us. Okay. And then, let's see. There's the golden gun. There's the space laser guns from Moonraker. Oh, that's good. Pretty great.
Starting point is 00:02:42 Yeah. There's the mobile phone that he uses to control his BMW. Look at that quality. Look at that tech. That touchscreen mobile phone that he uses. Amazing. Amazing.
Starting point is 00:02:51 Pretty great. And then I got to the end and I was going to send you some... They were playing Die Another Day on a screen because apparently that... Just Die Another Day.
Starting point is 00:02:59 In the last... Just clips from it. In the last room. Yeah. And I was going to send you some pictures of that because I know you love it so much. I do, so much. But then the security guard bailed me up and said, hey, stop taking photos.
Starting point is 00:03:11 And I said, do you mean stop taking photos of that movie that I can see anywhere? Like on the internet or on television or anything like that. The most non-exclusive. I didn't say that. The most non-exclusive part of the film. Because you can't reason with the security guard. He'll just bash you. Yeah, you're right. But you't say that. You can't reason with the security guard. He'll just bash you.
Starting point is 00:03:26 You're right. Anyway, if you're in Melbourne, go see that because it's actually really great. If you're a fan of Bond or if you're kind of a non-fan of Bond and you just like making snarky comments about it. That's probably more us. We're fans of Bond, aren't we? I love Bond. The problem with Die Another Day is, aside from it's really mad,
Starting point is 00:03:42 it came out the same year, I think, as the Bond identity. So it's like... That is a cypher, but it's really bad. Yes. It came out the same year, I think, as The Bourne Identity. Oh. So it's like, you know... That is a stark contrast. That sure is. And, you know, that kind of then Bourne Identity fashioned what would become whatever Bond is now. Yes.
Starting point is 00:03:57 People who pull their teeth out. Yeah. With acid face. Oh, there was... Yeah, that was there. That costume as well. Raul Silva. Yeah, Raul Silva's costume.
Starting point is 00:04:04 Pretty great. That's your favourite Bond film, isn't it? It's not. It's my least favourite. Oh, and here's the, that was there. That costume as well. Raul Silva. Yeah, Raul Silva's costume. Pretty great. That's your favourite Bond film, isn't it? It's not. It's my least favourite. Oh, and here's the Madonna costume from Die Another Day. Very good. Madonna's fencing outfit. Wow.
Starting point is 00:04:12 Pretty great. I wish everyone could see these. But you can't see that movie anymore. Maybe if you follow Mason on Twitter at Wikipedia Brown, he'll put those things up. No. Oh, alright, fine. I've got personal news. Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:04:25 I killed a giant spider this morning. I woke up and there was a giant spider in my room. Literally nobody's interested in that. Well... Barely anybody was
Starting point is 00:04:32 interested in my James Bond tour, but... Alright. Do what you want. That's my personal news. Great. Should we get to actual news? I've got more spider-related.
Starting point is 00:04:43 I could stretch that story out a bit. Please do. You killed it. You didn't put it stretch that story out a bit. Oh, please do. You killed it. You didn't put it outside. You're a monster. Well, it was giant and I sprayed it with a can and it didn't move. So I'm like, no, I have to squash this giant spider. You were afraid it was going to retaliate later, no? Yeah, exactly. It could have wielded a knife. It was enormous.
Starting point is 00:05:00 Okay. X-Men. Oh, no, before I get to that. Shia LaBeouf news. Oh! You know what? We did say that we've had the moratorium, but you know what? It just keeps on rolling. I know! Look, I want to touch on this briefly. Two people on Twitter reached out to us... Oh, should we back up for people who don't know who this is? Oh, good idea. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:18 Shia LaBeouf stole a comic book storyline to create his short film. Yes. And then an apology to the creator of that film, of that comic book storyline yes to create his short film yes and then an apology apology to the creator of that film of that comic book his apology ripped off other people's works yes
Starting point is 00:05:30 and then he did more apologies all of which were ripped off then he claimed that it was all part of some sort of art installation that he created of course yes
Starting point is 00:05:37 and then I don't know what's he doing now and well now basically now he claimed that he was going to have produce some sort of
Starting point is 00:05:44 art project where people could go into a room and see him or a man who looks like him with a bag over his head yeah but it looks physically a bit like him yeah and then there was some objects in the room and you could do whatever you want with the objects like you could slap him with a yeah big fish or something whatever whatever it was and And so people are like, oh, he's making repentance somehow in an awful way. But it turns out, doesn't it? Courtesy of Aaron Mitton. Did I say that wrong? Probably.
Starting point is 00:06:12 Probably. Sorry, Aaron. That it's possibly from an episode of House or, courtesy of David, it's a Marina Abramovich piece of a similar thing where she lined up a whole lot of items and people were allowed to do what she wanted to do. That is very, that looks exactly like. That's it. That is.
Starting point is 00:06:28 And that scenario turned very, very ugly very quickly as well. Yeah. I read the article he sent and it was, it started off people were like, oh, it's a bit of fun or whatever. And then people just turned on her. Just pulled a gun. Pulled a gun. Yeah. Cutting her clothes and poking her with rose thorns and stuff.
Starting point is 00:06:42 So yeah. But Mason. Yes. People in glass houses Should not throw stones And I'll tell you why Oh You remember that last week
Starting point is 00:06:52 We spoke about Indiana Jones And how he doesn't He's not helpful Yes In his movies He's just like along for the ride But most Except for Temple of Doom
Starting point is 00:07:01 Things would have played out Exactly the same If not better Are we even in that assumption? Well, no, we are correct in that assumption. Good. But apparently, I put that up on Comic Book Movie, first of all, people do not like if you make fun of Indiana Jones.
Starting point is 00:07:13 A lot of death threats. Yep. A lot of people calling us dickheads. Fantastic. That's fine. That's part of the internet. Yeah. That's fine.
Starting point is 00:07:20 But apparently, we were accused of taking it from an episode of The Big Bang Theory, where that same theory is... I've literally never seen The Big Bang Theory. I've from an episode of The Big Bang Theory, where that same theory is... I've literally never seen The Big Bang Theory. I've seen five minutes of The Big Bang Theory. First of all, all of you who did that, take off your fedoras and cover your face in shame with them. Because if you were watching that, you can all go to hell. I haven't seen that, but it is reasonable that we've come to the same conclusion. Sure, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:07:50 And apparently, though, they also took it from David Wong from Cracked. Oh, from Cracked, okay. Yeah, he's a Cracked writer. His real name's Jason Pargin, and he's also on the Cracked podcast quite a bit, which is a good podcast. Everyone should listen to that. They took it from his book. This book is filled with spiders. Seriously, dude, don't touch it.
Starting point is 00:08:01 Should we buy that book? Yeah, why not? Let's buy it from Amazon.com. As penance. Penance for stealing. But to be fair, you did say at the start of that thing that this has probably floated on the internet before. Did I ever?
Starting point is 00:08:11 Yeah. But hey, that being said, maybe we're the Shia LaBeouf this week, Mason. Maybe we're the Shia LaBeouf. Maybe all of us are the Shia LaBeouf. Wow. So there you go. I don't watch the Big Bang Theory.
Starting point is 00:08:23 I've watched about 10, 15 minutes of it, but I reckon there doesn't... Probably a month doesn't go by when someone goes to me, do you watch The Big Bang Theory? And I say no, because it's easier than explaining why it's probably the worst show ever made. So I say no,
Starting point is 00:08:36 and they go, you should watch it. You'd love it. And I go, I'll check it out. It's got lots of references to things that you like. I'd say... Flash t-shirts. Flash t-shirts. Green Lantern t-shirts. Will Wheaton. It's got lots of references to things that you like. Flash t-shirts.
Starting point is 00:08:47 Flash t-shirts. Green Lantern t-shirts. Will Wheaton. Will Wheaton's in it sometimes. So there you go. If you want to watch a good show that references comics and movies and pop culture, Community is the show to watch. Watch Community. Jesus.
Starting point is 00:09:02 Yeah. Big bang theory. Anyway, on to more Charlotte. Two and a half men, though. Boy, back on point. What a show. Is that still on? I have no idea. Ashton Kutcher is the guy now.
Starting point is 00:09:12 Fantastic. Yeah. Because Charlie Sheen does another show for something else. I don't know what. But hey, and he got fired for drugs and being a dickhead or whatever. Right. That's time he tried to shoot his girlfriend. That's right, exactly.
Starting point is 00:09:25 All those things. Did you see all the X-Men Days of Future Past Empire Magazine covers? I did. Did you see some of them? No, I saw all of them. Did you see all of them? I think so. What did you think of them in general?
Starting point is 00:09:35 There's two I want to talk about in particular, but in general, what's your vibe? What's your vibe, Mason? Like my laid-back vibe? Yeah. They look pretty good. I would say the standouts are... I would imagine a lot of people are against the future Sentinel design. Yes, I do want to talk about that.
Starting point is 00:09:52 Yep. But I feel that makes sense. Yes. Because... He's basically... It looks like he's made up of a series of dominoes or something like that. Yeah, or nanotechnology or something like that. I feel that...
Starting point is 00:10:01 Like Die Another Day. Yeah, exactly. That, obviously, the first design is going to be based on 1960s technology. Yes. And it is going to look more sort of Technicolor and comic book-y in that way. But they've got to realise that these guys are facing the X-Men. They've got a lot of powers and they've got a lot of... That's not going to pose a lot of a challenge.
Starting point is 00:10:24 No, you can't just have a solid kind of a robot that can stomp around because a lot of things you know, that's not going to pose a lot of a challenge. No, you can't just have a solid kind of a robot that can stomp around, because a lot of things can happen to that. The artificial intelligence, whatever in the film, is going to take over this Sentinel production, whether it's Master Mold or whoever. He's going to need to upgrade that tech to effectively
Starting point is 00:10:40 fight the X-Men and defeat them. Why not nanotechnology? I think it looks great. We haven't seen it in motion. Actually, that's what I said. I was okay with it. People asked me, like, what do you think? I'm like, it's fine. I mean, and there's probably a whole lot of stuff in between that we might see.
Starting point is 00:10:51 But, you know, it works enough. And we haven't seen it in motion, like you said. So, there you go. But anyway, I think it looks great. Cool. In contrast, I am liking the look of Quicksilver less and less. Wow, really? So, you initially really loved it?
Starting point is 00:11:04 I didn't love it at all. I thought it looked dumb, but who cares because it's Quicksilver less and less. Wow, really? So you initially really loved it? I didn't love it at all. I thought it looked dumb, but who cares because it's Quicksilver. It's a Wolverine film. Yeah, it doesn't matter. You're right. Wolverine, McKellen, Patrick Stewart. Until they Professor X him out of the pot. As they often do.
Starting point is 00:11:18 Yeah. As they always do. Yeah, what's going on with that Quicksilver outfit? He's got goggles now. I know. I mean, I know it's the 70s, so you've got to kind of have a retro kind of outfit. But it's just...
Starting point is 00:11:29 It's not good in any way. Not at all. But I think people are really hung up on this character of Quicksilver that nobody seemed to care about before Marvel were interested. And then also X-Men. It's not a major character.
Starting point is 00:11:39 It doesn't really matter, but it's a pretty dumb look, isn't it, realistically? It really is, yeah. He doesn't even look streamlined. There's a lot of pockets on that jacket. Would a guy need to wear glasses if he can go super fast? I know the Flash doesn't wear glasses, because I'm assuming the Flash has kind of like... He's got a heat shield.
Starting point is 00:11:54 Yeah, okay, there you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you'd have some kind of, I don't know, tough skin or whatever, so if things hit you, you wouldn't explode. Because if you went a certain speed, your skin would just peel off. Well, exactly, yeah. I'd imagine. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:12:03 So his skin would be tough enough that he probably wouldn't need goggles, right? Because otherwise, if it wasn't, he'd just turn inside out like a sausage. Okay, well, A, he doesn't have skin on his eyes. No, but obviously... He can close his eyes, I guess. But it's like Superman being hit with a bullet in the eye and Superman returns. You would think that the mutation that created the super speed would also create some sort of protection against moving at that super speed.
Starting point is 00:12:24 Exactly, and it's like having super strength but not invulnerability. created the super speed will also create some sort of protection against moving at that super speed. Exactly. And it's like having super strength but not invulnerability. So if you hit somebody super hard, your hand wouldn't just bust into a thousand pieces. Yeah, exactly. Because you'd need the invulnerability to go at super strength. Yeah. God, comics are... It's crazy, aren't they? It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:12:37 It's one of the things that happen in comics. Anyway, the goggles look dumb. Hopefully he doesn't wear them at all. I hope he wears them all the time. I hope he just wears them on top of his head, Stan Park style. People are saying that this has got to, like, what's Bryan Singer's reluctance to include comic book style suits? Because X-Men First Class class leaned towards that.
Starting point is 00:12:54 The Wolverine ended with that deleted scene, which is not obviously in the movie, where he's got that comic book style suit. Do you think he's going to include the comic book style suits? Or do you think we're just not going to see them? And if we're not, what's his problem, man? Yeah, yeah. What's his hang-up? we're not, what's his problem, man? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:05 What's his hang-up? What's his 1970s hang-up, man? I think that we're going to see a few little bits and a few little colourful bits and pieces. I think
Starting point is 00:13:14 in this kind of, in this X-Men universe, the colourful costumes all belong in the past. Yeah. Like the 60s and 70s were the time for kind of garish
Starting point is 00:13:23 outfits and what have you. In the modern day, they're going to look ridiculous The future Is for serious business It's not for silly costumes You're right, I mean if they're fighting an apocalyptic wasteland They're not going to wear a bright coloured costume Are they? Because you'll get killed by that domino man that's stomping about
Starting point is 00:13:40 Yes, exactly It's also been confirmed that the apocalypse follow up the apocalypse follow-up that Bryan Singer's doing in 2016. Yes. That looks like it's moving forward with, unless this movie completely bombs, which I don't think it will. Do you know it's the second most expensive movie of all time? Really?
Starting point is 00:13:54 Behind Avatar. Yeah. Ooh. A lot riding on this. Yeah. I think they've probably gone a bit too big too soon. Do you have a figure there, or is it? No.
Starting point is 00:14:02 Oh, I think it's about $200 million. Okay. That's roughly, yeah. That's a lot of money. USD. Oh, yeah. So basically, in Apocalypse, there was that rumor going around that there was a scene at the end of Days of Future Past where Apocalypse kind of crash lands into Earth and he's an
Starting point is 00:14:16 alien and he takes over Magneto for some reason. I can see your face. You look angry. Yeah. It's not a real thing. I'm appalled. It's not a real thing. Brian Singer's debunked that.
Starting point is 00:14:25 Who even invented that? First of all, why are we talking about the post-credits sequence in a film that isn't out yet? First of all, second of all, that's ridiculous. Who invented the idea that he was an alien that came down from space? Someone on the internet. Oh yeah. I couldn't, I could probably track them down. Please, please do it.
Starting point is 00:14:41 Then we go into their house, right? Yeah. Yeah, gotta beat them up. Good. And basically he was, he wants to do it like Apocalypse is an ancient mutant and explore the concept of what would people think of mutants before there's science. Right. And also, but more than that, what would mutants think of themselves? Do they think they're gods or demons or angels or whatever? So he wants to explore that side of it. So assuming that that means that Apocalypse will be an ancient mutant.
Starting point is 00:15:05 I would hope so. That is the whole deal with him, yes. And he's got goggles. He's got so many goggles. Just goggles upon goggles. Do you want a fun fact about Superman Returns?
Starting point is 00:15:15 Yes. Bryan Singer's come back and said... Oh wait, Superman Returns. That's the worst one. Alright, fine. Anyway, go ahead. Bryan Singer,
Starting point is 00:15:21 who directed Superman Returns, he needs a win in this X-Men Apocalypse. I'm not X-Men Apocalypse. X-Men Days of Future Past, by the way. Jack the Giant Slayer, Valky who directed Superman Returns he needs a win in this X-Men apocalypse I'm not X-Men X-Men Days of Future Past by the way Jack the Giant Slayer Valkyrie
Starting point is 00:15:28 Superman Returns were his last movies before the X-Men movies and they've handed him this the second most expensive film of all time yeah
Starting point is 00:15:35 it's amazing how people quickly people turned on him though when he came back to X-Men because they're like even though they'll people liked those X-Men 1 and 2
Starting point is 00:15:42 people very quickly turned on us though didn't they a lot of death threats a lot of death by bullwhip we did didn't they? A lot of death threats. A lot of death by bullwhip. We did make fun of it. A lot of death by replica bullwhip. Anyway.
Starting point is 00:15:50 What was it? Yeah, so Superman Returns, he said if he had to do it again, he's still not 100% sure why people don't like it, but I could see your quizzical face. I think you know why. Yeah. I didn't hate it. I think I've said that before.
Starting point is 00:16:02 It's fine. He said he would have done it as a reboot, which is all well and good in hindsight. But in the sequel, which kind of fizzled out, he said he didn't get kicked off and just kind of fizzled out. Okay. That he would have featured Darkseid as the villain. Well, coulda, woulda, shoulda.
Starting point is 00:16:15 He can say that now. Like, it's all sour grapes now. Hey, guys, I would have put in the best villain of all time. It's a shame none of you liked it. It's a shame none of you supported me. Because I would have been great. Also, he said he didn't cast Henry Cavill because he's not enough like Christopher Reeves,
Starting point is 00:16:32 which is what he ended up going for. Brandon Ralph, who's now homeless, I believe. We miss him. We do. He seemed like a good guy. Neil Marshall. You're familiar with that director. He did The Descent.
Starting point is 00:16:44 Oh, yeah. Okay. He did Centurion. Didn't say it. Yes, we did. Neil Marshall you're familiar with that director he did The Descent oh yeah okay he did Centurion didn't say it yes we did it's the one where Michael Fassbender's a centurion and he's in England
Starting point is 00:16:52 or something I didn't say it I saw it wow why haven't you seen it if I've seen it it's a really good point because it's probably terrible
Starting point is 00:16:58 is it probably terrible it's alright there we go The Descent's great though yeah and I think he did he's done some Game of Thrones episodes I think he did Blackwater,
Starting point is 00:17:05 which is a big Game of Thrones episode. But you don't watch Game of Thrones, do you? Three episodes in the first season. No spoilers, please. Don't tweet me spoilers. Tweet of spoilers. At Wikipedia's Brown. Good cover.
Starting point is 00:17:16 Anyway, he's going to direct the Constantine pilot. Okay. Apparently, also, they're going to make Constantine blonde and British. Just get Sting, guys. Just get Sting. You. Just get Sting. You gotta get Sting. Now, Sting's bald now.
Starting point is 00:17:27 Is he? Yes. Give him a wig. Give him a wig. Get Sting, put him in a wig. Stig in a wig. Mm-hmm. Uh, that's enough Constantine news for this week, though, Mason.
Starting point is 00:17:35 Don't have anything else. Well, that's for later, then. That's serendipity, isn't it? Yes, it is. The movie Serendipity with John Cusack. Uh, the Russo brothers. They're directing, uh directing Captain America 2, The Winter Soldier 2.
Starting point is 00:17:48 They're apparently back. Marvel are very happy with the direction of the film, apparently. I mean, nobody's seen it yet, so who knows? But that bodes well for the film, I think. Yeah. Because, you know, even when World War Z was happening, for example, you could tell because of all the fighting and stuff. The kerfuffles.
Starting point is 00:18:02 The kerfuffs. That the director was not going to be back for that movie. Right. Even though it turned out okay in the end. But no, that's good news, right? Yeah. Or not. I mean, we haven't seen it.
Starting point is 00:18:10 No. Great news, though. Pretty good. Also, Marvel Senior Vice President of Production and Development, Craig Kyle, and one of the writers of Thor The Dark World, who's now my input here by accident, is penning Thor 3. Okay. Which is rumoured...
Starting point is 00:18:24 Yes....to be Ragnarok. Oh. The Ragnarok storyline, which penning Thor 3. Okay. Which is rumoured to be Ragnarok. Oh. The Ragnarok storyline, which I have not read. These ones are all so far out in the future. Phase 3, so it could be... Yeah, well, that's right. Could be anything. Ragnarok's all about the gods and the gods, yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:38 It's the storyline where Thor has turned into a frog. And he joins the Pet Avengers. Or maybe it was a frog that was turned into a god. It doesn't matter. Anyway, the point is there was a Pet Avengers. I don't think a frog should be a god and wield power. I think that's not going to end well. You're a fascist.
Starting point is 00:18:54 You're a fascist. Has he still got his frog brain? You know, I can't really remember. Yeah. I have a frog brain, so... Memory's not great. The Ragnarok story, are you familiar with it, though? Not really.
Starting point is 00:19:09 It's basically... I read up on it. I've probably read it after this, I guess. That there are gods of the gods, of the Asgardians. And every, you know, so many millennia, there's a giant war raged on Asgard, which wipes out all of them, and then they all get put back,
Starting point is 00:19:25 but their memories are wiped, and then it starts again. So I guess it's like Zion and the Matrix thing, which was a Matrix plot point, probably, in that trilogy. They wipe out Zion and it comes back. Best not to dwell on it. And that's how the gods fuel themselves and sustain there. Okay.
Starting point is 00:19:42 And Thor finds out and he's like, Not on my watch. He doesn't wear a watch. Nah. Not on my hat with feathers on it. My winged hat. No, sir. No way.
Starting point is 00:19:53 Gal Gadot news. Yep. Now, I know every week you want to know, how do you pronounce Gal Gadot? We got an email from Ezra Swartz. He speaks Hebrew as his second language. And he's got what he claims, and I think he's right, to be the correct pronunciation. The scoop on that.
Starting point is 00:20:09 It's pronounced G-O-L-L, or is that G-O-L-L? G-O-L-L? Oh, this isn't helping at all. Gadote. G-O-D-O-T-E. Oh. Because the A's are pronounced as in short O's. So it's like G-O-L-L, Gadote.
Starting point is 00:20:24 We could have solved this many weeks ago if we weren't so ignorant. Why should we though? Also, my brain is geared to saying Gal Gadot so I think I'm going to just keep doing it. But good for him though. Thank you Ezra Swartz for reaching out to us. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:20:38 Also, remember last week how we said let's do some commentary tracks only if four people contacted us only if four people contacted us. Uh-huh. Exactly four people contacted us. That's not really not enough. That's, isn't it? No.
Starting point is 00:20:51 It might have been five. I think it might. Oh, then that's enough. One of them was for us to do an Amazing Spider-Man commentary track, but without you seeing it, so we watch it together for the first time. Oh, okay. We'll do that in maybe, in close to the release of the Amazing Spider-Man 2. That's a really good idea.
Starting point is 00:21:05 Are you in? Yeah, sure, why not? All right. And the other one was Little Women. They want us to watch Little Women and contact. Okay. I've never seen Little Women, so. This is going to be a treat.
Starting point is 00:21:15 Oh, yeah. Now, they. Winona Ryder. They were in an accident, right? And then they shrink down? Yeah, that's the one. There's a ray. There's a ray device.
Starting point is 00:21:22 That's exactly it. Harold Ramis is involved. Harold Ramis is in it, yes. That's it. Okay. So, yeah, there you. There's a ray. There's a ray device. That's exactly it. Harold Ramis is involved. Harold Ramis is in it, yes. That's it. Okay. So yeah, there you go. The Turtles. Hang on, what is the Gal Gadot news?
Starting point is 00:21:30 That's it. Oh, okay, good. I thought you'd be interested. Yeah, no, it's very interesting. Yeah. I'll write it down later. No, you won't. I won't.
Starting point is 00:21:38 Turtles. Gal Gadot forever. Ninja Turtles news. Yep. We're finally seeing the Ninja Turtles, what they're going to look like. In promotional posters that people took pictures of. So that is the final. This is the final draft.
Starting point is 00:21:47 This is locked in forever. What do you think? Not that dumb. No, I don't think so. I think people are on board with it in general. People are upset about the lips, I think. Okay, right. Or the noses.
Starting point is 00:21:58 Turtles don't have lips. The beaks. They don't have beaks. Yeah. Weren't they upset that they were going to have beaks? Yep, I think so. Some people are saying they're too muscular. Too jacked.
Starting point is 00:22:07 I say Ninja Turtle can never be too muscular. You know? You upset that. Yeah. I think there is a bit too much going on in some of those costumes. Like, Donatello's wearing two pairs of glasses. Oh, he's got goggles as well? Yeah, goggles.
Starting point is 00:22:19 Raphael's got a pair of sunglasses on his head, I think. Surely Michelangelo should have sunglasses on his head. He doesn't, but he... Fluorescent sunglasses. Yes, he should. But he has... Michelangelo does have a hoodie tied around his waist. Hmm.
Starting point is 00:22:32 Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's okay. For partying, right? For partying. A party hoodie. Party hoodie.
Starting point is 00:22:37 Okay, good. Yeah, great. Shredder. There's images of Shredder released. Did you see those as well? No, I didn't. It's basically a concept art of Shredder, or a picture of Shredder. It's hard to tell.
Starting point is 00:22:45 It's very blurry. But somebody contacted an inside source, contacted Nailbiter111, I believe. Oh. The inside man. That's it. Friend of the show.
Starting point is 00:22:53 Friend of the show, Nailbiter. He's homeless with Brandon Routh right now. Yes, he is. Leakativity scoops. Shouldn't leak the scoops, man. Basically, are you familiar with the U-troms from the comics? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:06 They're like the Krangs. The Krangs, yeah. If you zoom in on this particular picture of Shredder, it looks like there's something in his abdomen. This is what the guy said to you. Because the modern day cartoon incarnation, Shredder is an U-trom, right? And some of the comics, yes. Okay, interesting. So it means he could be some kind of Krang-Shredder combination, which I would say is unlikely.
Starting point is 00:23:24 Because Krang's only a cartoon thing, isn't he? Maybe it's Shredder wearing kind of Krang-Shredder combination, which I would say is unlikely. Mm-hmm. Because Krang's only a cartoon thing, isn't he? Maybe it's Shredder wearing a Krang t-shirt. It's possible. Like he was a fan of the cartoon show. Yeah, yeah. And now he's bought a Krang t-shirt. Or one of those novelty belt buckles that's got a Krang in it, you know? Looks like you've got Krang in you.
Starting point is 00:23:42 You made a lot of good points here today, Mason. Yeah. Factually correct. Morally correct. looks like you got Krang in you you made a lot of good points here today Mason yeah so factually correct morally correct do you what do you do you what do you like
Starting point is 00:23:52 the Utrons yes I didn't watch the whole much of the 2003 series yeah but what I've seen of it
Starting point is 00:23:58 it looks better than the one we watched when we were kids yeah there's a bit in it as well it's a bit more
Starting point is 00:24:02 violent Leonardo like decapitate Shredder not knowing that he's not really Shred bit in it as well, it's a bit more violent. Leonardo, like, decapitates Shredder, not knowing that he's not really Shredder. Right, uh-huh. And it's like, Jesus, that's full on. But that's one of those
Starting point is 00:24:12 TV production tropes where somebody is only willing to kill in scenarios where it turned out they couldn't have done any harm. Do you ever watch that British series Robin Hood? Did I ever? You did, yeah. It was always, Robin Hood would always shoot to, you know, disarm or what have you. Except, you know,
Starting point is 00:24:27 when he'd show up at the, you know, the council of the villains or whatever and he'd kill them all and then it turned out they were all wooden dummies or whatever. Yeah, yeah, exactly. No. No, you're right. You had a lot of opportunities to kill them all prior to this and you didn't. Why now? And why not after? Yeah. I've said this
Starting point is 00:24:43 from a while back. I don't think this movie is going to be as bad as people think it might be. Michael Bay's not making it. The guy who did he's producing it the guy who did Battle LA
Starting point is 00:24:52 which isn't great. Right. I switched that one off, yeah. Yeah, me too. So, you know you never know. But again as you were saying
Starting point is 00:25:00 about the U-Troms I would like to there's a lot especially from the 1980s comic book series, there was a lot of super insane stuff that has never made it. No. To, like, the Triceratons.
Starting point is 00:25:12 Yeah. Or, like, Triceratops men. And all that sort of stuff. And a lot of, kind of, you know, solar system galaxy-spanning crazy adventures and stuff like that. Yeah, exactly. That, you know, we saw in a very kiddy way in the cartoon series. But I would like to see that live action. Absolutely.
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Starting point is 00:26:14 So basically, big news this week I woke up to this and I'm like Do we have to adjust our scale of big news here? Or is it actual big news? It's actual big news I think Jeremy Irons, first of all's actual big news. Okay, good. All right. I think Jeremy Irons, first of all, is cast as Alfred. Okay, that works.
Starting point is 00:26:30 Yeah. Have you heard this? Yes. Yes, I have. Didn't he go crazy recently? He may have. Yeah. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:26:38 He might have. I'll look it up later. Look it up. I think he's gone crazy. Use technology. Okay. I think he's a good fit. They were talking... What's the Bond villain's name who was in The Rocketeer?
Starting point is 00:26:47 Timothy Dalton. Timothy Dalton. Which I think would have also been a really good choice. But you can't really go wrong with Jeremy Irons. Also, I think Timothy Dalton's quite imposing. He's like 6'4 or something. Oh, right. Okay.
Starting point is 00:26:58 I didn't know that. Yeah. Fair enough. Oh, okay. Yeah. I think he's too big a presence to be Alfred. Fair enough. I mean, Alfred's supposed to be... He's supposed to be a wizened old guy who's
Starting point is 00:27:08 got a lot of secrets and blah, blah, blah. Does have a lot of secrets. No, I think Timothy Dalton's too big a guy. Okay, fair enough. Unless I'm wrong. I mean, they just make him look bigger. Camera adds like a couple of feet. That's true.
Starting point is 00:27:19 I also heard Jeremy Irons went crazy a few years ago. Did you hear that? Yeah, he did. Good, good on him. Alfred, great. Yes. That's the general consensus. He's got the accent. you hear that? Yeah, he did. Good. Good on him. Alfred, great. Yes. That's the general consensus. He's got the accent.
Starting point is 00:27:27 That's all we need. He does. That's all we need. The other thing is, and the internet exploded in a Ben Affleck, Batman-esque way, maybe even more so when it was announced that he was going to be Lex Luthor. Who's going to be Lex Luthor? Jesse Eisenberg. Did I say that?
Starting point is 00:27:41 No, you didn't say it. Did I not say it? Here it is. So what do you think? Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. Is't say it did I not say it here it is so what do you think Jesse Eisenberg is Lex Luthor is that justified in any way
Starting point is 00:27:48 as a casting decision is the internet right Mason or is Jesse Eisenberg right you know what Jews aside oh god
Starting point is 00:27:56 too much pressure you know what I saw a photo and I saved it that somebody made a real quick photoshop because people are quick at photoshops on the internet
Starting point is 00:28:02 it's a Superman Batman photoshop and it's Michael Cera as is the joker jonah hill as the penguin yeah and jesse eisenberg as lex luther it's a quick photo it's very quick and it's you know obviously intended as a joke because the other two look ridiculous but i think jesse eisenberg if you look at this photo he actually looks quite good with a ball yeah he looks like lex luther with that i mean a young lex luther yeah, I'm okay with that. Yeah, I mean,
Starting point is 00:28:26 he's traditionally, he's a little bit old in Superman. Is that right? Aw. I mean, who's to say? Who's to say? Yeah. Not us.
Starting point is 00:28:34 Yeah. But he's 30. Right. But he looks young. So maybe there'll be some kind of Lionel Luthor-Lex Luthor relationship there. I don't want a Lionel Luthor. No, I don't want either.
Starting point is 00:28:43 Ridiculous. Yeah, look, even though he does look young, I'm hoping they're going to say he's a fully grown, established man who's built this company and whatever.
Starting point is 00:28:51 I don't want Luthor origins movie. No, absolutely not. I don't need any of that. Do you think he's too young? No. I think we just said that. We just,
Starting point is 00:28:59 you just said that, you're just reading off your autocue. I meant to say, do you think he's too thin? I mean, that is another... No, again, that's a Christian Bale scenario. If you want him to bulk up, he'll bulk up.
Starting point is 00:29:10 He can bulk up, yeah. Look, I've written here, and I think I said this in my video, it can be fixed with a shaved head, get rid of his Bon Jovi locks that he's got now, bulk him up a little bit, and you put on a well-fitting suit. Uh-huh. Yeah, I'm okay with that. Look, it's not the greatest casting decision.
Starting point is 00:29:27 It could be, though. He's good in things. I don't doubt that. I don't doubt it at all that he is a good actor. But it's obviously not who you... Even with Ben Affleck, you go, even if you hate Ben Affleck, you go, you can see it. Right. This, it's a little harder to see.
Starting point is 00:29:43 Have you seen Now You See Me? The magician film? That's not a good film, certainly, but he's quite good in that. I'm not, again, I'm not saying he's a bad actor.
Starting point is 00:29:52 Yeah, yeah. That's not my problem. Like, as far as him being this, in the, in the Now You See Me, he's sort of this, sort of young,
Starting point is 00:29:58 genius, magician type. Yeah. Which is, not a, not a positive necessarily. But, you know,
Starting point is 00:30:07 he does have this kind of, he's got this arrogance and he's the smartest guy in the room kind of thing. And I reckon if he turns that up to 11, I reckon there's something there. Okay.
Starting point is 00:30:16 Yeah. Sure. I mean, I know people make also the Heath Ledger Joker comparison. Uh-huh. Which I guess, is that really relevant though?
Starting point is 00:30:24 Nah. I mean, just because? Nah. I mean, just because you can... I mean, you can point to scenarios where this... I can point to all kinds of things. Don't tell me what I can't point to. But you can point to scenarios
Starting point is 00:30:33 where you're like... No, I'll point to a scenario. Sorry, I'll let you finish. That's fine. Where, you know, something like this has worked really well and something like this
Starting point is 00:30:40 has worked not so well. I think at this point... It's a total crap show. We don't... Exactly. We don't know. So, like, yelling about it either way makes zero difference. Let's just wait two years, more than two years,
Starting point is 00:30:52 until this comes out, then we'll know. Let's yell at people. Let's debate with people on the internet just endlessly. Yeah, okay. Yeah. So, yeah, there you go. Hey, everyone. I think Jesse Eisenberg would make a great Indiana Jones.
Starting point is 00:31:04 How do you like that? Be real good. So good. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so there we go. That's some news for you. Can you imagine Jesse Eisenberg in a Lex Luthor battle armour?
Starting point is 00:31:16 Yes. Can you imagine Jesse Eisenberg in a movie where he invents Facebook? No. Okay. He's not a nerd. People also compare Michael Cera to Jesse Eisenberg.
Starting point is 00:31:26 I guess they're similar-ish, but they're not really though, are they? I mean, they're both kind of skinny guys and they've got curly hair.
Starting point is 00:31:34 Michael Cera's got spectacular comic timing. Yeah, well, that's also true. Jesse Eisenberg, Michael, we've never seen it. Yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 00:31:40 Oh, no, he's in that movie where he's got the bombs strapped to him. Oh, now you see me. That's it. I don't know. It's with the guy from Parks and Rec.
Starting point is 00:31:50 Oh, 30 Minutes or Less? 30 Minutes or Less, yeah. He's okay in that, I guess. Okay, great. Anyway, make of that what you will. I will. Before we move on, Mason. Yes?
Starting point is 00:31:57 I just want to say thank you to those who rate us on iTunes. Cool, absolutely. We're one step close to achieving our goal of being featured on iTunes. Your goal. Your goal. Our goal. You said you're on board. But it's not my goal, though, is it? I don't care.
Starting point is 00:32:11 Do what you want, internet. So if people can continue to do that or not do that, that would be great. We really appreciate it. We do, actually. I guess this is kind of like the commercial break. Ugh. Sold out. I mean, we did that months ago.
Starting point is 00:32:23 We did. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Mason. ago. We did. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Mason. Yes. Last week, we talked about how you were going to talk about Robot Cop.
Starting point is 00:32:31 Oh. And how you know all about Robot Cop. Did I say those exact words? I've been in contact with Sony. Yes. And they gave us a couple of free tickets to Robot Cop. So when we review it, please know
Starting point is 00:32:41 that we're doing it on somebody else's dime. So if we give it a glowing review yeah then don't believe us well the thing is as well what do
Starting point is 00:32:49 Sony hey Sony if you're listening it's gonna be great I read the ticket that I've got and it's basically there's all these
Starting point is 00:32:56 it's like this is free for whatever but it also says there's all these things like no IMAX no certain type of screen
Starting point is 00:33:01 no certain type of day so I'm like I don't even know we'll probably go in and be like you can't use this. So there you go. You can watch it on a Viewmaster.
Starting point is 00:33:09 We're going to slot the Robocop reel in and you just click through and you've got five minutes and then you leave. We're going to send you a pirated version from Bali when it's released. And then, once you watch it, the FBI's going to kick down your door and you're going to go to jail for ten years.
Starting point is 00:33:27 Tell me about Robocop, Mason. What would you like to know about Robocop? Well, first of all, where did this robot cop come from? Be more specific. Okay, who invented Robocop? What, are we talking in the story? Are we talking... You're no help.
Starting point is 00:33:39 Who's steering this ship? What's going on? Well, I mean, in terms of the production side of things like robocop is sort of uh he's inspired by a lot of sort of japanese kind of robot cops yeah he's not the first robot cop on the on the uh oh my goodness uh do you have you ever seen eight man no sometimes called eighth man okay it's like uh there was a neo geo game all right you remember the neo geo i do didn't have one weren't they for rich kids? Yeah, they were for rich kids.
Starting point is 00:34:06 Were you a rich kid? No, but that was an arcade. Anyway, the point is, there's been a lot of Japanese cops killed in the line of duty resurrected as robots. And it was like, oh, what's his name? Space Sheriff Gavan, I think, was another. I'm going to Google that, because I reckon I'm right. I've done very little research, but I'm going to look up Space Sheriff.
Starting point is 00:34:26 So what? Frank Miller wrote the original script, is that right? No, he wrote two. He wrote two and three. Okay. We'll get to those. Yeah, Robocop.
Starting point is 00:34:33 In the original, he's Alex Murphy. He's copped on. You know, actually, before I start, having done a small amount of research on this, because I remember all the original properties and I've seen and read pretty much all of them, but I figured I'd go back
Starting point is 00:34:46 and just go over them again just very quickly, like half an hour ago. And people are all out there going like, oh, they've ruined yet another property. They've ruined my childhood slash adulthood slash action
Starting point is 00:35:02 movies are the worst now, blah, blah, blah. You know what? You know what? You know what? Those people, having watched a lot of more recent Robocop properties, this is a property that was on its last legs. This thing was dead. This is a dead horse. You all should be lucky they're rebooting Robocop because some of this stuff is just the worst.
Starting point is 00:35:22 It's really you guys just put a bloody cork in it. Shut up. Yeah, exactly. That being said, this movie might not be good. There is a possibility. But we'll get to that another way. But again, how bad could it be when compared to the stuff I'm about to talk about? Space Sheriff Gabban, there he is.
Starting point is 00:35:37 Oh my god, you're right. He's got a laser sword. He does. He looks very Robocop. Yeah, I know, right? Incredibly so. I mean, he's just a guy in Lycra. Yeah. Obviously. But anyway, Alex Murphy killed in the line of duty.
Starting point is 00:35:48 Yes. As a result of OCP, who are the privatised runners of the police department in old Detroit. Yeah. Not Omnicorp, or is that the new one? They're Omnicorp now. Okay, right. Back in the old ones, they were OCP. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:00 And there's too much crime in Detroit. Is that just now? Yeah, just now. Just now, but also back in this fictional past, which was the future. So OCP takes over the police force in exchange for being able to bulldoze a lot of Detroit and turn it into Delta City.
Starting point is 00:36:15 That's kind of the through line of the whole film, that OCP wants to just... They want to protect the city in a very small way, but they also just want to just flatten it. Another 80s land grab action movie. Yeah, exactly. Okay, gotcha. You know it is.
Starting point is 00:36:28 Anyway, so basically they're like, well, we want to build this Robocop project. Yeah. And so we're going to... We need a human brain for it. So they kind of... Because they try just a robot. Well, they have... And this is one of my favorite parts of Robocop, is the initial law enforcement robot they create is called ED-209, and it's like a giant walking
Starting point is 00:36:50 tank. And there's a scene at the start where they get, it's a board meeting, and they just get a junior executive to pull a gun on this robot to test its arrest mode, and it just riddles him with bullets bullets like hundreds and hundreds of bullets and it's super graphic so many squibs so many squibs just just and at the end they're like hey somebody call a paramedic because this guy's you know what my first exposure robocop wasn't the films it was i saw the films later but my first exposure robocop was there was there was a set of robocop 2 trading cards like tops released the Robocop 2 trading cards. Like, Topps released the Robocop 2 trading cards. I'm sure I still have some of them somewhere.
Starting point is 00:37:29 Let's give them away on the show. Oh, no, they're mine forever. They were Robocop 2 trading cards, but the first, like, 20 were, like, previously on. They were, like, a recap of the first Robocop. Okay, right. And they were super graphic. Like, trading cards for children.
Starting point is 00:37:46 I don't have... The one I wanted to find, I couldn't find on the internet. I assumed it would be there because it's the best. Yeah. It's called... They all have little names under the... And it's called Man Without a Hand. And it's like a shot of him, of Alex Murphy getting his hand blasted off by the bad guys.
Starting point is 00:38:02 And it's like a two-frame. Murphy looking puzzled, standing up looking puzzled. Yeah. And the second frame, his arm just being shot off. It's ridiculous. Anyway, here's one that I did find. This is the scene... It's not the Melty Man one, is it?
Starting point is 00:38:14 Yeah, it's the Melty Man. It's the scene in Robocop where a villain's out to kill Robocop to run him down in a car. Robocop gets out of the way. Yeah. This guy crashes his car into a vat of toxic waste and it seeps into the car and it melts him and he wanders around. It's horrifying. It's horrifying.
Starting point is 00:38:29 And that is on a Topps trading card for children. You would get a sticker bubblegum and a fun little decal sticker and you would get a card with a man whose entire body is melting. It's amazing, right? What can I Google to find that particular photo?
Starting point is 00:38:46 I just Google Robocop trading card. Gotcha. And just Google image search. Maybe if I turn safe search off. Because I remember we watched that
Starting point is 00:38:52 a few years ago. I'd seen it years prior but I remember watching that as a full grown adult and going that's still horrifying.
Starting point is 00:39:00 Right. So there you go. Kids. It's for you kids. All these fingers are melting. You see his fingers dripping off the bone. And he gets hit by another Kids. It's for you, kids. All his fingers are melting. You see his fingers dripping off the boat. And he gets hit by another car.
Starting point is 00:39:08 It's like a plastic shopping bag full of soup. Just getting hit by a wrecking ball. It's amazing. So basically, do they engineer the accident to make him Robocop, or does he just happen to get gunned down? Because in the new one, it looks like they engineer the car explosion. It does, doesn't it? Well, in the original one, it's sort of...
Starting point is 00:39:30 Murphy sort of goes out of his jurisdiction. Yeah. So I think the idea was they engineer a scenario in which cops can have a lot of dangerous situations and probably die. Okay. Like, they lower their budgets and et cetera. In the actual scenario, he's chasing the bad... There's a car chase with the bad guys. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:43 And they're like, oh, he's out of your jurisdiction. And he's like, I'm going to follow him anyway. Because I'm a cop. I'm a cop on the edge with a sense of duty. I don't know, the first one's incredible. I think we've mentioned, we've had Robocop talk before, but as a satire of like, corporatisation
Starting point is 00:39:59 and just over the top. Amazing. It doesn't get more 80s and awesome than Robocop. Boy, it does not. No, that's right, yeah. Do you think it's better than the first Terminator film, if I was to draw such a comparison? Oh, yeah, actually I would. Oh, wow. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:13 Okay. Yeah. I mean, they're obviously different things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever. I mean, do you think that the first Terminator was supposed to be anything other than, like, a fairly generic, straight-to-video kind of action film. Like, you see a lot of those kind of future cop and maniac cop and all that sort of, those
Starting point is 00:40:32 really generic actioners, and you go, was the Terminator really all that different in the first one? Look, I think it was definitely bolstered by the fact that, I mean, Arnold Schwarzenegger was a reasonably big star then, but he became a bigger star, and hence the Terminator became a bigger movie than maybe what it was intended to be initially. I mean, I think that movie still holds up. I still love Terminator 1. I think it's great.
Starting point is 00:40:52 They call it Terminator 1 on the box? I think they do. They do call it Terminator 1. But hey, you know. Terminator 1, maybe it's the best one. Maybe it's just okay. Terminator 2's better. Rackets.
Starting point is 00:41:01 Robocop 2, though. I've never seen Robocop 2 what's the deal there okay so what happened was basically Frank Miller wrote the script for Robocop 2
Starting point is 00:41:11 yes and Frank Miller of Sin City and the Dark Knight returns and of being crazy and of being crazy
Starting point is 00:41:18 and a lot of it was rejected yeah but a lot of the core concepts sort of remained if you there's actually
Starting point is 00:41:22 we can talk about it later there was actually a series that was released a few years ago called Frank Miller's Robocop. It was a comic book series. It was like nine parts. And it was what his original pitch was for it. And it contains elements of Robocop 2 and 3. And it's super crazy violent and a little bit nonsensical.
Starting point is 00:41:43 Yeah. And it's worth a read. It's worth a read, okay. Yeah. Was it something that Frank Miller actually now recently wrote or was it somebody got hold of his script and then made it from that?
Starting point is 00:41:52 They did, yeah. So it's not actually Frank Miller who released this comic. Oh, no, he did. It's from Dynamite Comics or somebody like that. Yeah, it's not a... I'll check it out on Comixology.com.
Starting point is 00:42:02 Yeah. Okay, but what's the story there, though? What's the story of two? Because he gets shot to shit in the first one. Yes. And then he's fine or whatever. Well, he sort of regains his humanity. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:11 Robocop is one of those films I feel that didn't really need a sequel. Mm-hmm. Like, because at the end of it, he sort of regains his humanity and we know who he is at the end. He realises that he's Alex Murphy again. And sort of thing. And then the first... And then back in the second one, they're like, well, how do we...
Starting point is 00:42:29 How do we make him this soulless robot machine again? And that's sort of the plot of Robocop 2, where there's like a cult, there's sort of a vague cult guy called Kane. He's a cult leader, sort of. But he's a drug lord, but he's also a vague, he's a cult leader, but it's very vague. They never really delve into it. Okay, so he just does illegal things. Yeah, he does illegal things. And he's this drug
Starting point is 00:42:52 lord. And Robocop goes after him, but of course he gets kind of they catch him with an electromagnet. I mean, sure, he's not magnetic, but that's not the point. That's not the point at all. I didn't say it was. They catch him with an electromagnet, they dismantle him and then
Starting point is 00:43:06 in an attempt to rebuild him there's like a sexy lady doctor called Dr. Fax two X's because it's the future and she instills him
Starting point is 00:43:17 within him like thousands of unnecessary directives sort of to because he's got basically a handful in the first one doesn't he?
Starting point is 00:43:23 He's got four. What are those? Serve in public trust, uphold the law, protect the innocent. And four is you can't kill anybody who works for OCP. Oh, okay. Yeah. Five, Robocop. Five?
Starting point is 00:43:34 Don't stop a Robocop-ing. Okay, cool. So basically, when they put him back together, they put all these new protocols in him. Does that kind of like scramble his head? Yeah, it's sort of designed to make him useless. Okay. Like, again, OCP want to take over Detroit. They want to bulldoze it again.
Starting point is 00:43:55 Classic. They feel that if Robocop's useless, all the cops are useless, Detroit's going to default on its payments to OCP, and then they're just going to take over the town. All right, gotcha. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And how does he overcome his protocol? He electrocutes himself.
Starting point is 00:44:11 He sticks his hand in an electrical box. You know how that goes. They should have had a protocol against that. Yeah, I know, right? That would have saved everybody all that trouble. And is that the one, not to give anything away, that the bad guy turns out to be a certain thing, which is quite clever? No. Was that the one where the bad guy turns out to be a certain thing, which is quite clever.
Starting point is 00:44:26 No. What do you mean? The bad guy's the kid? There is a kid. Oh, okay, so it's not the main bad guy. No, one of the drug lord's henchmen is a little kid. And Robocop can't shoot a little kid. That's not one of his prime directives.
Starting point is 00:44:39 I guess that's one of his secondary directives. He can't shoot a little kid in cold blood. But that's how they catch him. He's like, you can't shoot a kid, can you? And he's like, no. I guess I'll just get caught in this electromagnet. Gotcha. Okay, fair enough. So Robocop 2, though, worth
Starting point is 00:44:52 watching or not worth watching? I think it is. It's more insane than the first one. Like, there's a lot of... Hang on, I wrote a note down. Like, there's, like, it's super excessive. Like, all the... Like, there's people just, like, robbing a jewellery store, but they got, like, a rocket launcher or whatever.
Starting point is 00:45:08 There's, like, a guy, like, a yuppie kind of professional suit-wearing guy who robs an old lady, like an old homeless lady, and then, like, a couple of prostitutes then immediately rob him and then, like, beat him up. Like, it's just this... This city's become this sort of cartoonish endless chain of, like, super mugging and violence. Like, every street has, like, a burning oil drum.
Starting point is 00:45:31 Yeah. I'm assuming that it only gets better from here. It absolutely does not. Robocop 3. Oh, boy. Robocop 3 is the Superman 4. Or the Superman 3. Or the Superman 3.
Starting point is 00:45:42 But Superman 4, where the budget is really... The bottom has really fallen out of it. Yeah. They don't have you know, any... Everything looks cheap and everything...
Starting point is 00:45:53 They're really scraped to the bottom. And Peter Weller's not in it anymore. No! Which, that's the turning point. Yeah, that's... I mean, he's...
Starting point is 00:45:59 We haven't mentioned him yet but he's great, isn't he? He's the... Initially, I understand they were considering Rutooker Hauer as Robocop, and there were a couple of other options, but they're kind of huge monsters of men. Yeah. And Robocop, the suit was designed for a kind of a more live kind of,
Starting point is 00:46:19 more athletic kind of actor. A skinny guy with a big head. A skinny guy with a big head, exactly like Peter Weller. You know it. Yeah. But in the, he's the, and again,
Starting point is 00:46:28 speaking of this decline of the Robocop franchise, I think the Robocop 2, quite enjoyable, insane but enjoyable. Yep. The loss of Peter Weller, I think, was the first nail in the coffin.
Starting point is 00:46:39 And it's been a long, it's been a long coffin nailing scenario because it's been happening for a couple of decades now. I'm, it's been a long coffin nailing scenario because it's been happening for a couple of decades now. I'm assuming it's a scenario where Peter Weller was just like this, I don't like where this is going, I'm bailing. I think he was doing something else at the time. Okay.
Starting point is 00:46:53 I think he had another film on. I'm going to look it up. Another movie where he was a robot cop? I don't think so. Okay. Probably. I think, I think given the options, he was probably like, well, I could do RoboCop 3 or I could do a movie where I'm not continually exhausted and losing weight and just and can't pee for sweating my organs out yeah
Starting point is 00:47:11 yeah from what i've seen the third the big complaint of the third movie as well is the third guy is not very robocop he doesn't walk very robotic no exactly nobody has since then in any way was that you've said that nobody's really nailed it nobody's nailed it yeah yeah because he's everybody looks like a guy pretending to be a robot like I'll do my robot walk and then that's what they do
Starting point is 00:47:30 but he's I don't know something about him yeah yeah Peter Weller was in The Naked Lunch which is the William Burroughs film haven't seen it
Starting point is 00:47:37 there you go was he wearing a costume not really no just regular clothes good yeah right so what's Robocop 3 about
Starting point is 00:47:44 okay I've seen one clip I turned on the TV once and it was on at midday and I saw him flying Jim? Not really, no. Good. Right, so what's Robocop 3 about? Ugh, okay. I've seen one clip, I turned on the TV once and it was on at midday and I saw him flying and then the movie ended and I went, that was fucking weird. Right, it's pretty much that. No, in Robocop 3 OCP gets sick of waiting for everyone in Detroit
Starting point is 00:47:59 to die, so they just decide to force out slash kill as many people as possible, they they hire like mercenaries like they're called they're called their rehabilitation officers or city rehabilitation officers i think or something like that so they're just called the rehabs and they're basically just army like insane mercenaries and they just force everybody out and like kill anybody who sort of steps in their way and etc etc are the guys of we're relocating people to Delta City and it's going to be great
Starting point is 00:48:25 you know but they're just killing dudes they're killing all of the dudes which is the Robocop then where there's an evil Robocop that is that comes later that's one of the TV movies
Starting point is 00:48:34 ah ok we'll get to that let's get to that you know it's certainly an option we could get to but yeah Robocop 3
Starting point is 00:48:41 is ah boy it's a tough one no and it's the first one that was PG as Boy, it's a tough one. No, and it's the first one that was PG as well. Yeah, it's not super violent, is it? Like, 1 and 2 actually... Because the toys were popular and whatever at this point. Yeah, 1 and 2, the trading cards certainly were popular.
Starting point is 00:48:53 Sure. So, 1 and 2 are rated, I think, and they did quite well. Yeah. Like, for R-rated films, they were quite successful, but I guess they were like, well, now we have to broaden our reach. Yeah. So let's make it PG. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:04 And it really shows. Like, the fact that they make Robocop, they give him a were like, well, now we have to broaden our reach. Yeah. So let's make a PG. Yeah. And it really shows. The fact that they make Robocop, they give him a jetpack, I think is... Great action figure, though. That's the cue they want to make more action figures. Although, I never saw a Robocop action figure with a jetpack. That means it didn't exist. Oh. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:21 Boo. Boo indeed. Boo. Well, there you go. I guess that's a product of the 90s, I guess. They kind of toned everything down in the 90s, didn't they? I mean, it's the same thing up with Ninja Turtles. I mean, things got more extreme, certainly.
Starting point is 00:49:31 Things got more extreme and more boring. Yeah. But you know what? People are complaining about the new Robocop. Again, I haven't seen it, but I do have free tickets, so let's talk it up. Okay. That's going to be great. It's going to be great.
Starting point is 00:49:43 It's PG. But a PG now is different from a PG in the 80s. You can get away with a little bit more from the PG now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can, I think you can say fuck once. Oh, okay. And there's a certain level of violence you can get away with. That's not to say, I mean, I think the new Robocop will probably benefit from being an R18 movie.
Starting point is 00:50:02 But just because it's R18 doesn't make something a better movie. Absolutely not. So yeah, there you go. But in this case, Robocop 3 PG, it was the worst. And then he saves the city because he flies over it at the end. Yeah, and he fights some Japanese samurai robots. More ninja robots.
Starting point is 00:50:19 More ninja robots, yeah. So what came after Robocop 3, the best Robocop? Boy. There were some highlights. There was Robocop 3, the best Robocop? Boy. There were some highlights. There was Robocop vs. The Terminator, which in Dark Horse comics is kind of the heyday of their verses. Where they versed everybody versus everybody else. They did verse everybody.
Starting point is 00:50:36 I think it was Frank Miller. Maybe. I'm going to look it up. There's a lot of looking up in this episode. I've gone very keen on research now. I love it. I love it. I love it. You were telling me about this the other day, and it
Starting point is 00:50:47 sounds like a pretty interesting read that probably I'll never read. Well, I'm not going to spoil this one, because I actually quite enjoy it. I didn't go back and re-read it, but it's great. It had Walt Simonson on the arc duties, who was a very long-time
Starting point is 00:51:02 Thor artist, and it's sort of a long time Thor artist and it's sort of this He did Ragnarok? No, not at all. This is 80s Thor. But it's kind of this blocky stylized kind of artwork.
Starting point is 00:51:14 Yeah. A lot of detail and it's kind of it really does suit Robocop and the Terminator. Right. But the premise the basic premise
Starting point is 00:51:21 of Robocop versus the Terminator is that they've set them in the same universe and the Resistance has determined that they've set them in the same universe, and the Resistance has determined that what helped create Skynet was the mental engrams from Robocop. Right.
Starting point is 00:51:32 And so they feel that a Resistance fighter goes back in time to kill Robocop, and then a number of Terminators are sent back in time to kill her and make sure that Robocop gets plugged into the network. Gotcha. And so Robocop gets sort of thrown into this war, this, this time war. Yeah. And it happens like. And he's like, I'm just a simple robot cop.
Starting point is 00:51:51 Exactly. I just want to go home to my robo-wiping kids. You know? Not Frank Miller or is Frank Miller? Oh, no, it is written by Frank Miller. There you go. Okay. I guess interim crazy Frank Miller.
Starting point is 00:52:02 Interim crazy, sure. I think there's pre-crazy, interim crazy, and current Frank Miller. Yeah. Who still produces some good work on occasion. Yeah, the spirit. I've seen it. Oh, boy. Garbage.
Starting point is 00:52:13 Yeah. Anyway, so, and it takes place in the past, which is the Robocop future, and also the actual future, and it's actually really, really good read. It looks great. Great. They based a video game on it. Yep. Which is a good video game.
Starting point is 00:52:25 It's okay. Don't go back, though. Video games never hold up. Never do. Unless they're pretty classic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, kind of simple. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:33 I bet the graphics are probably really good, though. Are you as the Terminator or as the Robot Cop? I'm either the Robot Cop. Oh, good. I'm the Robot Cop. In the future or the past? Both. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:42 Why wouldn't I go back to this? Oh, you're right. Any other RoboCop comics worth reading or worth mentioning? There's Yeah. Why wouldn't I go back to this? Oh, you're right. Any other Robocop comics worth reading or worth mentioning? There's one not worth reading, certainly. There's actually,
Starting point is 00:52:49 because I hadn't realised this until recently, there was a sequel to that. Well, not a sequel. Spiritual sequel? Yeah, I guess so. Quasi-sequel? Yeah, not really.
Starting point is 00:52:57 Frequel? Cash-in, I guess. Sure. A cash-in on the fond memories of the original Robocop was Terminator. The Terminator Robocop was just called Kill Human.
Starting point is 00:53:04 That's the... Spoiler warning guys. Sorry to interrupt, but this comic that Mason is going to talk about is amazing in the sense that it's fucking baffling and in its stupidity and awesomeness. It may be worth you reading it yourself. So if you want to do that,
Starting point is 00:53:20 skip ahead to... Probably should have checked the timestamp, Mason. A few minutes. A few minutes. A few minutes. Four minutes. Four minutes. Skip ahead. Yeah, maybe give it a read.
Starting point is 00:53:28 Or don't. Do whatever you want. It's a free country. It is a free country. Unless you're in North Korea. How are you listening to this in North Korea? I don't know. Good on you, though.
Starting point is 00:53:36 Great work. Yeah, absolutely. Probably use your time more effectively, though. Back to the podcast. Okay, bye. Bye. And okay, it's... I gave it a quick flick just earlier.
Starting point is 00:53:46 Into the bin. Yeah, into the bin after I read it. And it's like... I don't like to just pay out on something unnecessarily for being really terrible, but it's really terrible. It's like a fan... It's like...
Starting point is 00:53:58 It's like Robocop wrote a Terminator fanfiction and inserted himself into it. Because basically what happens is there it's the future, it's the Terminator future. Yep. And there's one woman left in the world. Because the Terminators have killed everybody else. Okay. More or less.
Starting point is 00:54:16 The same woman from the first one? No, a different one. Okay. Anyway, she goes, she is on the run from the Terminators. And she finds, she just runs into just runs into a Skynet museum. It's like all sorts of relics from Skynet's past. Right. And there's an ED-209 robot, and there's some other bits and pieces.
Starting point is 00:54:36 Yeah. And there's Robocop in a glass case with his gun, right? Because that's what they do with him. That's what they do with him. Put him in a glass case. But his skin on his face hasn't rotted off. Hasn't? It hasn't.
Starting point is 00:54:46 Even though it's been several decades. Maybe it's vacuum sealed. Anyway, Robocop gets reactivated and sort of helps her defeat the Terminators that were chasing her. And then his mind is taken over by Skynet briefly. And he kills her. Like, he kills the last human. And he's like, no, what have I done? Kind of thing.
Starting point is 00:55:06 And then what he does, and I'm going to spoil it because who cares? Yeah. It's really awful. But read it anyway. It doesn't sound that bad. It's pretty. Wait for it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:55:15 He speaks to like a Skynet AI thing. Yeah. He figures out how time travel works. Mm-hmm. And he goes back in time. And then we see him first appear in the past at the steel mill. No, actually, at Cyberdyne Systems, where the police are sieging Arnold Schwarzenegger and John Connor and Sarah Connor. Like, he appears in Terminator 2.
Starting point is 00:55:38 Wow. He appears in Terminator 2, and then he shuts down Arnold Schwarzenegger like with a device that's got a, he hits him with like a taser that's got a virus in it and it shuts him down completely. He becomes completely inert and then he sort of takes over the Terminator role in Terminator 2.
Starting point is 00:55:58 So it's again, it's like he it's like RoboCop wrote his own fanfic. You know what would be great? If I was in Terminator 2 and I figured out how to defeat the Terminator because I'm the best. And everybody thinks I'm the hero. So he gets in there and then the helicopter chase happens. Yeah. And et cetera.
Starting point is 00:56:18 And... How does he kill the T-1000? Well, what happens is that... Presumably because he's 80s technology. I'm not 80s. Future technology. He's not even as advanceds technology. Not 80s, future technology. He's not even as advanced as that Terminator. Yeah, exactly right.
Starting point is 00:56:27 So wouldn't he be worse? I don't. But anyway, the point is that it looks like, you know, there's the truck they're in crashes or whatever. It looks like it's curtains for everybody. And John Connor's cool with this. No, he's not cool with it at all. Okay, right.
Starting point is 00:56:39 He's Edward Furlong, John Connor, so he's not cool with anything. He's Radical's 90s. He's Radical's 90s and he's angry that the Terminator's been shut down. But anyway, then, it looks like it's curtains for the good guys. But then, Dick Jones shows up from Robocop, like the CEO of OCP. He shows
Starting point is 00:56:56 up. The one who dies at the end of Robocop. Yes, but it's past Dick Jones. Okay, right. And then he shows up with like an army of ED-209s that they've built because what happened is RoboCop went back in time five years previously
Starting point is 00:57:09 and he met Dick Jones and he gave him all the specs for like ED-209 and like all the plans to make OCP a successful company and gave him future info. And he said,
Starting point is 00:57:22 in exchange, all I want is you to show up at this point in time, in the 90s with all these ED-209s and fight the T-1000. But they don't kill him. Like, Robocop knows the future events. Robocop knows that they kill the T-1000 with like
Starting point is 00:57:36 they drop him in a liquid nitrogen and they drop him in a vat of steel. Yeah, he would know that. But they don't do that. They just riddle him with bullets and they like trap him somehow like in some sort of secure facility. And then they put
Starting point is 00:57:49 John Connor and Sarah Connor on like a battleship and they put him they send him out in the ocean because that's it's hard to it's hard for Terminators to get him in the ocean.
Starting point is 00:57:56 That's true because swimming is hard. But then somehow the T-1000 escapes presumably because it's the T-1000. How long is this comic?
Starting point is 00:58:04 It's like four issues but it but it seems simultaneously way too long and super lacking in detail. Like, they gloss over a lot. So then the T-1000 shows up in a helicopter that's hijacked and it crashes into this battleship and it goes to fight. And then that's the movie Battleship find and then that's the movie Battleship yeah that's the movie Battleship so and then he
Starting point is 00:58:28 the T-1000 goes and he attempts to find John Connor on this battleship and then Robocop who's there he's there
Starting point is 00:58:37 he's on the battleship he traps Dick Jones and John Connor and the T-1000 in like a locked room together together and then the T-1000 decapitates John Connor and the T-1000 in like a locked room. Together.
Starting point is 00:58:46 Together. And then the T-1000 decapitates John Connor and then... So, you know, you assume it's curtains for everyone. But then Robocop fills that chamber with acid
Starting point is 00:58:55 and he kills them all. What? Because that ends the threat of Skynet forever. Right? Am I right? It's insane. Even for...
Starting point is 00:59:07 Why did John Connor have to die? I don't know. I guess he's just like, well, John Connor's over there. I'll lead the T-1000 in the room with the acid. By putting John Connor in the room with the acid. But it was almost out of this interminable continuity that the war can't be stopped.
Starting point is 00:59:24 Yeah. There's so many holes in that. I mean, I could go, but anyway, the point is it's the worst, but maybe do, maybe I'm, I'm a little bit regretful that I've spoiled it for everyone because maybe you should,
Starting point is 00:59:35 you know what? Go back during the edit, which you're going to have to do. Yeah. And just put in a little spoiler and say, Hey, this, this is mental.
Starting point is 00:59:45 So read it if you get a chance, but absolutely. Okay. And just put in a little spoiler and say, hey, this is mental. So read it if you get a chance. Absolutely. Okay, I will do that. Great. That's amazing. It's utter nonsense. Is there any other Robocop comics that I should read? There was some Marvel ones, but they don't really... Okay. They don't really reach that height of insanity at any point. So
Starting point is 01:00:01 I thought about going back and reading a whole bunch of them, but I'm like, why would I? No, why would you? And again, there's Frank Miller's Robocop, which is... It's the culmination of all the ideas. Because Robocop 3 contained a lot of the ideas that were excised from Robocop 2.
Starting point is 01:00:16 So, the rehabs and kind of some other bits and pieces. Yeah. It's insane. It's not as entertainingly insane as Kill Human. Is it called Robocop versus Terminator Kill Human? It's called Terminator
Starting point is 01:00:28 Robocop. They switched them around. Okay. Kill Human. What does it mean? Who knows? Well, he kills a human at the start and then he kills a human at the end. But it should be Kill Humans, I guess. It should be. I hate to nitpick such a work of art
Starting point is 01:00:44 with such plebeians anyway Frank Miller's Robocop it's worth it just to have a look and see what what could have been if they'd let Frank Miller
Starting point is 01:00:53 have free reign because it's again it's crazy Frank Miller it's crazy old Frank Miller remember I mentioned that doctor Dr. Fax
Starting point is 01:01:00 you did sexy doctor Dr. Fax I remember she's got a different name in the comic books which I can't recall but they're real...
Starting point is 01:01:06 Like, Frank Miller's not good at writing women, for a lot of reasons. No, no, he's not. And she's like this one-dimensional sex scientist. Well, that's kind of the problem people have with Catwoman in The Dark Knight Returns. Yeah, yeah. She's a prostitute. And most of the female characters in Sin City. Well, that's right.
Starting point is 01:01:25 Not Dark Knight Returns, sorry, Year One. She's just like this kind of leather-clad, low-cut kind of sex scientist. There's a lot of her bending over for no reason. Doing science. Doing science, I suppose. Is she actually a sex scientist? No, she's just a regular scientist. Okay.
Starting point is 01:01:38 She's just the... She is one of the brains behind Robocop 2, who in this case isn't Kane. It's a sort of a speed freak rehab officer who's like the most psychotic of them all, and they put his brain in the Robocop 2. Right, okay. Speed freak as in the drug or as in really fast?
Starting point is 01:01:58 No, he likes drugs. Okay, gotcha. And then his mind is wiped from the system for whatever because Robocop finally defeats him, and then from the system for whatever because Robocop finally defeats him and then she puts her own brain in Robocop 2
Starting point is 01:02:09 because women are the villains right am I right according to Frank it's a wild ride I'll tell you what it sure is so I guess
Starting point is 01:02:19 if we're gonna read any read Frank Miller's read the Terminator versus Robocop on the first one yeah read Robocop versus Terminator and if you wanna read the first one yeah read Robocop versus The Terminator and if you want to read
Starting point is 01:02:25 the weirdest fucking thing ever yeah read Kill Human yeah boy do absolutely any of the rest take a look
Starting point is 01:02:32 read the trading cards yeah sure now there was there was a few TV series there was I know you did a bit of research on this well I remember
Starting point is 01:02:40 I don't I didn't really recall the TV series I remember a few years ago you were like look what I've got the Robocop TV series you'd got the bit didn't really recall the TV series. I remember a few years ago, you were like, look what I've got, the Robocop TV series. You'd got the bit like... No, that's the TV movies. We'll get to those. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:02:50 Yeah. I was excited for those, though. Really, really upset me. But Robocop, the TV series, I didn't really remember watching many of the episodes. Was it the guy from 3 who was Robocop? Oh, was it a different guy? A was robocop and i was at a different guy different guy yeah tv actor guy gotcha back in the day you couldn't cross over you're either a movie actor or a tv actor that's right the wire no there was no the wire so i
Starting point is 01:03:14 watched the first i watched the first episode of the series and it all came flooding back and it's reviews are not good let me tell you and again it, it was PG, but it was TV PG. Oh, wow. So it's... It's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. PG. It's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. PG, but in the early 90s. Like, 94, 93, 94. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:35 And it's, again, one of those series where Robocop is this lethal enforcer. But for whatever reason, he's decided to go non-lethal all of a sudden. Is he shooting guns out of hands? He's shooting guns out of hands. There's a lot of... He has to neutralise a hostage situation, so he goes in there. He'll shoot a candelabra on somebody. Like, he'll shoot a candelabra off a roof and it'll land on somebody and they'll be like, oh no, I'm trapped, but I'm okay. And then immediately afterwards, he shoots the leg out of a bookcase. Bookcase lands on a guy.
Starting point is 01:04:05 This sounds like Zorro. It does. He's more Robot Zorro than anything, yeah. I'll show you a clip later. Please do. How many episodes of this are there? It's like 22. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 01:04:17 Okay. I was very excited to watch some more of them because they're all on YouTube, but they're all dubbed into Russian. That's fine. But then I figured, watch them in Russian. Who cares? You know? Doesn't Russian. That's fine. But then I figure, watch them in Russian, who cares? You know? Doesn't matter.
Starting point is 01:04:27 Doesn't matter. So on the back of this did the TV movies come out? Were they connected? No, this was many years later, I think. Okay. Okay, so then nothing really happened
Starting point is 01:04:35 in the world at all until 2001 and you know what happened in 2001. Do I ever. Boy. Yeah. Never forget Robocop Prime Directives. The TV miniseriesies movie miniseries.
Starting point is 01:04:48 I'm assuming this is all new cast and crew and everything. It's all new cast. There's a few of the greats involved. Geraine Wynne-Davies, who you might know as the main actor in Forever Night. Don't know what that is. The 1980s, 90s vampire TV series. Don't know. No.
Starting point is 01:05:01 The greatest. Used to be on at 3am. Oh, wow. Okay. I would tape it every week. TV series? Don't know. No, the greatest. It used to be on at 3am. Oh, wow, okay. I would tape it every week. If you love a low-budget TV cop show where the main character is a vampire who nobody questions why he can only work at night.
Starting point is 01:05:16 And his name's Nick Knight, also. Oh, but is it N-I-T-E? No, it's K-N-I-G-E. Oh, well, of course. I'm an idiot. You are an idiot. Come on, mate. And Prime Directives is the one where it's decades after.
Starting point is 01:05:30 It's like a decade after, I guess, Robocop 3? I don't know if they... They must have said it after Robocop 3. But anyway, he's kind of outmoded and there's no budget there. So he's kind of... He's a little run down. Sure. He's kind of...
Starting point is 01:05:42 You know, they bring him in for PR exercises and blah, blah, blah. But anyway, and his, his friend Cable, which is a future name. It is a future name. For a second I was about to ask if it's the, but it's obviously not. It's obviously not. And he's killed in Line of Duty and he becomes Robo Cable. Fuck it out. I don't think they use that in the show.
Starting point is 01:06:01 I can't even remember. Okay. But anyway, the point is that he's exactly like Robocop except he's got a different colour and he's got two guns. And they just go and fight crime together? Or is it mostly about Robocable? Yeah, they sort of fight crime together and then
Starting point is 01:06:16 there's some crazy whack jobs out there that they've got to take care of and then Cable goes crazy because he can't deal with his inhumanity anymore. It's pretty magical. That's a lesson in that. Yeah. How many of these movies are there? There's four, I think.
Starting point is 01:06:28 Let me check. There was four. Right. Yeah. Worth watching? No. I say that a lot, but in this world where everything's free. Sure.
Starting point is 01:06:38 But, you know, also I think we live in a time where there is so much good TV. Yeah, that's a really good point. You're right. TV is free, but at the same time our lives are limited. That's right. Only by our imaginations and time. And Robocop.
Starting point is 01:06:54 Here's a fact about it, because I've just looked up the Wikipedia page. So Robocop is played by this actor, Paige Fletcher. That's not the fact. That's a good one, though. But he turned down the role of Robocop in the 90s series. Okay. Bad move, but at the same time, great move.
Starting point is 01:07:11 Okay, so he's on the shortlist to play it in Prime Directives, right? Mm-hmm. He read the 450-page script in one sitting and was so taken by it that he wept. It can't be that bad, then. No, no. Right? Oh, boy. Jeez. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow, okay. Well, I guess I'll check that out or not check that out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, there's one other more Robocop thing in there. What? The cartoon. Oh, yeah. Did you, are you familiar with that? There was a lot of... Oh, it's been a very long time. It seemed like a G.I. Joe style thing.
Starting point is 01:07:47 It was more a G.I. Joe... There was actually two TV series. Okay. Two cartoons, rather. Right. The first one, it was a lot of... There was a... There was like a villainous scientist
Starting point is 01:07:58 who worked in, like, the police department. He was always trying to get rid of Robocop because Robocop was, you know, not cool. And nobody was always, like, building new mechanical monsters to take on Robocop. Yeah, so it was, you know, it was a kid's show. Yeah. But again, what a weird...
Starting point is 01:08:15 It's such a weird property to become a kid's show. It would become anything other than super violent insanity. I'm trying to think of another, if there are any other examples of anything R-rated which has been eventually become a kid-friendly thing. The closest thing I can think of another if there are any other examples of anything R rated which has been eventually become a kid friendly thing the closest thing
Starting point is 01:08:27 I can think of is Freddy Krueger I guess but even then they're still horror movies yeah yeah exactly
Starting point is 01:08:32 even in Freddy vs Jason or whatever the last one was yeah yeah there was a Highlander I was going to say Highlander but that wasn't
Starting point is 01:08:38 that rated R I don't even remember maybe but it's not that violent no exactly but Robert not Robert Cobb
Starting point is 01:08:44 Highlander also had those telly movies as well, didn't it? In the early 2000s. There was a TV series, yeah. Yeah. Mm, yeah. Endgame? Oh, that may have gotten a theatre release. Mm.
Starting point is 01:08:55 In some small places. Yeah, sure. In Eastern Europe. In Eastern... Whatever country Christopher Lambert's from. Yeah, exactly. Or Lambert. Is it Lambert or Lambert?
Starting point is 01:09:03 I would imagine it's Lambert. Good. Yeah. So French. Endgame, quite good. Alright. Here's or Lambert? I would imagine it's Lambert. Good. Yeah. So French. Endgame, quite good. Alright. Here's how good the Highlander movies are, in order. Good.
Starting point is 01:09:09 Endgame. This is our Highlander podcast, by the way. Yeah. This is it. Endgame, best one. Highlander 4. Really? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:15 Best one. No. You know what? Because Highlander 1 is great. Yeah. And it sets the tone and it sets the series and it's a fully fledged movie in its own right. Yes.
Starting point is 01:09:23 And it doesn't need any sequels, which is why they made so many sequels but for a film that is largely concerned with sword fighting the sword fighting is not that good okay fair enough yeah yeah but for for great great uh fight choreography yeah good sword fighting it's got duncan mcleod from the TV series in it Duncan McLeod enjoyable it's a good one Highlander 1 yeah Highlander it's got to be 3 right
Starting point is 01:09:50 3 then 2 2 because it's so ridiculous then 3 then 5 there's a 5 ok right ok
Starting point is 01:09:59 gotcha what are we talking about Robocop there we go anyway the point is Robocop the point is Robocop I think and then there was one called there was? Robocop There we go, anyway the point is Robocop
Starting point is 01:10:05 The point is Robocop I think And then there was one called, there was a Robocop cartoon series Called Alpha Commander, which I don't think had anything To do with anything, it didn't have any support It didn't have any support cast Like from any of the TV series or anything like that Or the movies or anything And he never took his mask off
Starting point is 01:10:21 Well I guess that's good Yeah, Pretty great. I don't know. So basically, I mean, from hearing all this and from hearing this magical journey that is Robocop... Into the toilet. Into the toilet. Then I think you're very much right in saying that I guess we are lucky to be getting this new Robocop.
Starting point is 01:10:37 Absolutely we are, yeah. I mean, it's... This is a franchise that's been driven into the ground more than once. More than once. I mean, I don't want to pre-empt the movie. And I have said before that I think it could very well be That's it. More than once. More than once. I mean, I don't want to preempt the movie. And I have said before that I think it could very well be okay. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 01:10:48 And we have those tickets, so. Yeah. We've sold out. So it's going to be great, yeah. That we probably can't even use. Right. But, yeah, I mean, I guess it could be okay. In an ideal world, this would be the best movie ever made. This would be the Highlander 4 of Robocop movies.
Starting point is 01:11:01 Absolutely it will. Well, it is the fourth Robocop movie. It is Robocop 4. Yeah. There you go. I mean, Joel Kinnaman, who's the main guyocop movie. It is Robocop 4. Yeah. There you go. I mean, Joel Kinnaman, who's the main guy, he's in The Killing,
Starting point is 01:11:08 he's great. Gary Oldman's great. Who else is in it? Samuel L. Jackson. Samuel L. Jackson. Gives it his all. Gives it his all. Great wig. Abby Cornish,
Starting point is 01:11:15 Australian actor. Probably good. She's good in stuff. Absolutely. Michael Keaton, great in everything. Michael Keaton's amazing. And the guy who's Rorschach,
Starting point is 01:11:24 whatever his name is. Oh, I was going to say Hayley Joel Osment. Hayleyaton's amazing. So, and the guy who's Rorschach, whatever his name is. Oh, I was going to say Hayley Joel Osment. Hayley Joel Osment. That is very incorrect. Hayley Joel Osment plays Junior Robocop. Yep. He's finally got that kid sidekick we've always been demanding. Thank the Lord.
Starting point is 01:11:37 Yeah. Jackie Earl Hayley. Jackie Earl Hayley. Thank you, there you go. Well, I was going to say about Freddy Krueger. Yeah? That he was in the last Mortal Kombat. He was in that game.
Starting point is 01:11:45 That game, yeah, yeah, yeah. And people always, they're like, oh, these fatalities, they're a bit upsetting, aren't they? All your fatality, all these, all these. That's not super disturbing. The violence isn't super disturbing. It's the fact that there's a playable character in that game who's a child molester. Like when he was alive.
Starting point is 01:12:04 We can edit that out. No, we don't. Okay, good. Yeah. Okay when he was alive. We can edit that out. No, we don't. Okay, good. Okay, there you go. Well, that's all. That's Robocop for this week and the podcast. Unless you have any more Robocop?
Starting point is 01:12:14 Robocop, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. So just get out there. Get some Robocop India. Yeah. I think we might do a DC animated one next week.
Starting point is 01:12:21 Okay, cool. Because Justice League War is out. Excellent. Have you seen it? No, I'll get to it, mate. Get to it. And we'll talk about all the other ones that are... next week. Okay, cool. Because Justice League War is out. Excellent. Have you seen it? No, I'll get to it then. Get to it. And we'll talk about all the other ones that are... I don't know, mate.
Starting point is 01:12:29 We've probably got a bit of watching to do this week after we get through all the Robocop that we have to watch now. Right? Yeah, we can. I don't know. Yeah, but that's the rule, I think. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:37 So there you go. Fantastic. That's the show for this week. Thank you to Gabriel Bruton for the theme. Absolutely. Love it every time. If you want to hit us up, please do so at Weekly Planet Pod on Gmail, Twitter, Facebook.
Starting point is 01:12:48 Mason's is at Wikipedia Brown. Correct. Ask him Robocop. Yeah, absolutely. Do that. Just tweet him Robocop question mark. Somebody asked me and it just says, who is Robocop? I didn't know how to answer.
Starting point is 01:13:00 I just had to leave it. I didn't... Did that really happen? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Great. Mine is Mr. Sunday Movies.
Starting point is 01:13:07 I replied... I'm sorry, it was What Is Robot Cop? You're not going to respond? Never. Okay. Never ever. Yeah, mine is Mr. Sunday Movies. Hit us up with any questions you have, comments, rate us on iTunes.
Starting point is 01:13:21 Any ideas for the show you want us to talk about something in particular? Yep, we will talk about that particular thing so next week animated week after that like how much Indiana Jones sucks how about that
Starting point is 01:13:30 he doesn't it's good yeah he's great no death threats please week after that we'll do the Robocop and you know with all the news and whatever that
Starting point is 01:13:37 happens during the week then death well that comes to us all eventually it does yeah yeah alright
Starting point is 01:13:44 pretty great pretty great thanks everyone bye

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