The Weekly Planet - 21 Gotham TV Series & Robocop 2014

Episode Date: February 17, 2014

This week we discuss the latest Shia LaBeouf news, the Robocop reboot, Batman VS Superman, Avengers: Age Of Ultron, Akira & most importantly... #mckenziemoustache Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/pr...ivacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:25 Register today at sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. Welcome back everyone to another episode of the Weekly Planet official podcast of Comic Book Movie My name is James Mr. Sunday also, with me is my co-host Mason How are you Mason? I'm great, thank you Can I ask you a question, a personal question? Ah, it's kind of a question already isn't it, but alright
Starting point is 00:00:59 How was your Valentine's Day? It was good Did you Valentine's? No, I was at work, so... Were you shot with arrows? Yeah, that happened, yeah. I'm a target at an archery range. That is my job, so...
Starting point is 00:01:13 That's good to hear. Did you Valentine's? Well, I got given a balloon, like a heart balloon, and it lifted my spirits, and I got home, and when I got out of the car the heart balloon detached and I watched it float away. That's quite public. And I laugh now
Starting point is 00:01:30 but it was really sad at the time. Was it really sad at the time? I was pretty you know I liked it. But then I went to a Claire Bowditch concert
Starting point is 00:01:37 and that was pretty good. So yeah. There you go. Valentine's Day for everybody. Except sad single people. Yes. That's right. Are you one of those people
Starting point is 00:01:44 who are against Valentine's Day? No. Except sad single people. Yes, that's right. Are you one of those people who are against Valentine's Day? No. Or indifferent? I think that... Because there's some people like, that's just an excuse to sell chocolate and cards and flowers and all that. Right. But if you believe that,
Starting point is 00:01:55 just listen for the distant sound of somebody else going, it's just about fighting, selling cards and... Except it's a girl voice. It's all just about selling cards and chocolate and... Right, and you find that person and that's your soulmate. That's it. So if anything, it's a girl voice. It's all just about selling cards and chocolate. Right, and you find that person and that's your soulmate. That's it. So if anything, it's a filtering process. That's a really good point.
Starting point is 00:02:10 Or you find somebody who's like, who loves that stuff. Or you find somebody who's like, hey, that's actually kind of dumb, but let's do it anyway because it's kind of funny. Yeah. It's easy. I know, right? You're right. It's a really good point.
Starting point is 00:02:20 I'm not against it or for it. Do what you want. I don't care. You know what does really amuse me, though? When one person in a relationship is clearly into it, and it's usually the girl. I hate to general it or for it. Do what you want. I don't care. You know what does really amuse me though? When one person in a relationship is clearly into it and it's usually the girl. I hate to generalise, but it usually is. And the guy's like, nah, we don't do Valentine's Day. I don't believe in it. It's for dickheads. And the girl's like, yeah, I don't mind because, you know, we still love each other or whatever. I mean,
Starting point is 00:02:37 you can see them. They're really upset by it. So yeah. So what you're saying is you love it when people are really upset. Yes. And their balloon floats away. You're a bad person. I'm glad your balloon flew away. All right. Now, Mason. Yes. What started off as a one-off kind of thing has become a recurring segment in the show. Nightmare. Whatever you're talking about is a recurring nightmare. You're right. It is the Shia LaBeouf news of the week. Oh, yes. We got away with not doing it last week. I can't remember if we did. We didn't.
Starting point is 00:03:06 But silly me thought, that's it. Yeah, yeah. He's dead. Uh-huh. So, turns out he's not. But then he made an appearance at some sort of movie premiere with a bag on, he said. Well, that's it. He said, I'm not famous anymore.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Yeah. So, that's how it started. So, there was a press conference for his movie, Nymphomaniac Part 1. Ooh. Which, by the way, I've seen a clip for it where he he does a British accent in it and it is I can't do accents
Starting point is 00:03:29 even though a lot of people think I'm British for some reason and then call me a dumb British dickhead sometimes when in fact
Starting point is 00:03:37 you are South African I know so weird and it's got to be the worst accent British accent I've ever seen but I think
Starting point is 00:03:42 the director I think it's Werner Herzog it is yeah ok there you go he put him in wait no it's I think it's Werner Herzog made that. It is, yeah. Okay, there you go. He put him in... Wait, no, it's not. It's not Werner Herzog. It's someone else. Yeah, I can't remember who it is. But
Starting point is 00:03:51 Christian Slater's in it as well, and he also does a British accent. So I think it's intentional. What, it's all intentionally bad? Yeah. Anyway, I don't know. Anyway, the point is, he was at a press conference for that, and somebody said, what was it like to do all those sex scenes? And he made this comment before storming out.
Starting point is 00:04:10 When seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea, which is apparently stolen from some soccer player who did the same thing. That's amazing. But the thing is, though, at this point, he's doing it intentionally. Initially, he wasn't stealing things intentionally. Or he was stealing them intentionally, but then like... But, you know, thinking he was going to get away with it.
Starting point is 00:04:29 Now, I think he is absolutely doing it on purpose to go, no, no, this is... I've always been doing this ironically. So, at some point, we're all just supposed to believe that it's an art project. Exactly. Right, okay, yeah. I think that's what he's trying to turn this out into. And I looked up the clip, and the guy in the clip takes a sip of water
Starting point is 00:04:44 at the exact same time that Shia LaBeouf did it. So it's all very... People are like, well, he stole it. This one is clearly stolen on purpose. Right, okay, yeah. Like a lot of his early stuff. His reappropriating work.
Starting point is 00:04:54 Yeah. Lars von Trier. That's it. There we go, yeah. Good look up. I knew it was foreign. Something foreign. Something from one of your South African mates.
Starting point is 00:05:01 What a British dickhead. I know, right? Yeah, and we did get a couple of tweets on the subject. So many tweets. Did we go to the Shia LaBeouf I'm Sorry exhibit? We can't because we're not in the US, but I feel if we can somehow convince Shia that somebody did it before him,
Starting point is 00:05:18 somebody toured an art exhibition internationally before he did, he'll do it. Oh, good point, yeah. That's not a bad idea. So I'm not famous for the bag or the thing. He went to the film premiere with that bag on his head. Uh-huh. Looking like a total dickhead.
Starting point is 00:05:31 Yes. Shockingly. And then this art exhibition, which he was threatening us with, he's actually come through with. And he sits in a room. People have lined up for five hours to go in and see this guy. Uh-huh. And he's sitting there and the bag's wet from his tears.
Starting point is 00:05:43 Ooh. And if you go to Screen Junkies, they've got a YouTube channel, Hal Rudnick, I think, the guy who does Screen Junkies. You know, they do the Honest Trailers, those guys. And he pulled the bag off his head
Starting point is 00:05:52 and there's like a five minute kind of awkward video where he just talks at Shia LaBeouf and kind of insults him. And it is Shia LaBeouf. And it is Shia LaBeouf, yeah. And Shia LaBeouf is kind of bleary-eyed and kind of crying the whole time.
Starting point is 00:06:02 But you think maybe he'd do that on the day he knows the press is coming. Yeah, I guess so. Because they would get free tickets, presumably. So he'd know they were coming and then he'd be like, well, this is media day. I'll be in the bag. But then every other day there'll be somebody else in a bag.
Starting point is 00:06:17 Ah, okay, yeah, I get you. Yeah, yeah. And you know what, though? I think the tears are put on. Because other people have gone in and he's crying. I mean, not put on, but like they're induced by something, some kind of external... He pulled a nostril hair out. Pulled a nostril hair out, something like that. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Because you can't cry for six hours. No. Not if you're the best actor in the world. And newsflash, he is not the best actor in the world. Christian Slater is. Yeah, see, there we go. So, I don't know. The very British Christian Slater.
Starting point is 00:06:40 The very British Christian Slater. I mean, I don't know, man. What, what... Let's put another moratorium on shia labeouf news let's do it right now i mean we can stick to it this time can it get worse though it can't it can't get this this must be it right yeah because he can't like i'm gonna kill myself or anything like you can't do that like that's too far yeah because that will because that's a serious issue and he can't cross that line.
Starting point is 00:07:05 I mean, he might try to do that. But I think at this point his manager or whatever is like, okay, here's the things you are going to do to make it seem as if you are a tortured artist. Yeah, but really, you're just rich. Yeah, exactly. And a dickhead. Well, Mason, let's move it along.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Okay. We are going to get to Robocop 2014, which we've both seen at the movies. The 2013 sequel to the first Robocop. That's right. That somebody's been quietly making them in their basement. Do you... No, we'll go through the movie news first.
Starting point is 00:07:33 Okay. As we do every week, so I don't know why I'm announcing this, because we just do... This is the format of the show. You know what? Every podcast is somebody's first podcast. That's true. Is this yours? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Good. I've had an extra come in for all these other episodes. Are you excited for the Iron Legend follow-up? No, I didn't even know there was going to be an Iron Legend follow-up. Well, Mason, there was,
Starting point is 00:07:51 but guess what? What? It's dead. Oh, because Will Smith's out. But he was dead in the first one. He died at the end of the first one. There were a number of scenarios
Starting point is 00:07:59 that were at play here. Jaden Smith. Jaden Smith was one of them. Well, maybe. You never know. Okay, so there were a number of scripts written. They were Smith was one of them. Well, maybe. You never know. Okay, so there were a number of scripts written. They were trying to get
Starting point is 00:08:08 something made. We're talking about prequels and sequels. In a world of prequels and sequels, it's surprising that none of these happened. One of the prequels
Starting point is 00:08:15 would be show the breakout at a Thanksgiving Day parade. Okay, sure. But they kind of, not kind of, sort of did that in World War Z. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:22 You know, it's a busy street and then the zombies run through or whatever. But in this Thanksgiving Day parade would have all the balloons. It's got all the balloons. It does did that in World War Z. Yeah. You know, it's a busy straight and then the zombies run through or whatever. Also. But in this Thanksgiving Day Parade would have all the balloons. It's got all the balloons. Yeah. That's it.
Starting point is 00:08:29 And also they did Thanksgiving Day Parade in Spider-Man 1. Oh, yeah. Mm. Mm. Mm. The other one had a Dark Seeker elephant that escaped from the zoo. I would watch that. Dark Seeker elephants are what they're called.
Starting point is 00:08:41 The vampires in it. Okay, good. For some reason they changed them to Dark Seekers from the book, which is a weird choice. You want to see a CGI elephant stomping about? Yeah, if it's undead. Haven't you seen Jumanji? There was no undead elephants in that. Weren't they all magical?
Starting point is 00:08:55 Yeah, but it's not the same. I'm going to say something about Jumanji right now. Zathura, the spiritual sequel to Jumanji, is better than Jumanji. Wow. What do you think of that? That's a Jon Favreau joint. It is a Jon Favreau joint, yeah. I only watched that recently and I went, this is pretty fucking good.
Starting point is 00:09:08 Is it a kids film? It's a kids film, yeah. It's about kids being trapped in space. So yeah, the other one was a sequel, which would again star Will Smith. Guess how they got around it? The planning to get around it. Clone? Yes.
Starting point is 00:09:24 Really? Yeah. Really? Yeah. That can't be right. No, no, this is true. So it's either, I'm assuming it would have been either the original him in the first one was a clone or the new one is a clone. Maybe none of this matters. It really doesn't because it's all dead in the water. It's all dead in the water.
Starting point is 00:09:39 Interesting fact though, not really interesting. Fact though, in that movie there's a bit where you can see a Superman-Batman poster in Times Square. I remember that. Yeah. Everyone lost their minds. What date did they have on that? Was there a date for it? I think it was like 2012 from memory.
Starting point is 00:09:50 I might be wrong. Good luck. Good luck getting it out on 2012. It's coming up pretty soon. Speaking of dead properties, Mason. You know Akira? Have you seen the original Akira? Yes, many times.
Starting point is 00:10:06 I've never seen it. You're a big fan. It's pretty good, yeah. You'd be happy to know the live-action westernized remake. With Zac Efron? Well, there was a few names floated around, but it's back on. Okay, good. And Zac Efron, I think, was rumored at one point.
Starting point is 00:10:20 Kristen Stewart was attached. There's some concept art that came out recently with Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Chris Evans in the outfits as Kaneda and what's the other one? Tetsuo. Quasimodo.
Starting point is 00:10:30 Yep, I remember. I've seen all mangas. Yep. And basically, yeah, the director of Have You Seen Unknown with Liam Neeson
Starting point is 00:10:39 where he's like, where's my wife? Where is she? I've seen a film that is like that. I think it's every liam neeson film after the last yeah exactly yeah there's another one coming out soon called non-stop yeah same director great same director he also did orphan where the family adopt the
Starting point is 00:10:56 orphan girl and it turns out she's like a 35 year old dwarf yeah yeah she's a killer dwarf haven't seen it apparently those all those these liam Neeson and all these Jason Statham vehicles, they're very popular in Europe. Yeah, they love them. So that's where all the funding comes from. So there's just
Starting point is 00:11:10 this endless string of Liam Neeson wanting his family back. I don't know what the plot is of Non-Stop, but he's a... He has to stop the plane or not stop the plane.
Starting point is 00:11:17 But the plane's non-stop. So 50-50, his problem's already solved. This plane can't stop! It's already stopped, Liam. Good! Good! Put my gun away, then!
Starting point is 00:11:29 So anyway, the director, his first name's spelt J-A-U-M-E. Jaume? Probably like that. Jaume? It's called Sarah. I can't pronounce anyone's name. Gal Gadot. Gal Gadot.
Starting point is 00:11:43 His version is going to be true to the original, he says. True to the spirit of the original. Are you happy with that? What does that even mean, though? Well, he also said he was hoping... Because as you may or may not know, people in Hollywood are sometimes idiots. Oh, wow. Mostly idiots.
Starting point is 00:11:56 He's up. Sorry. But he also said that he's... So that might mean that there's like a vending machine in one of the scenes, and that's an exact replica of the vending machine in the original and everything else is different. Keep your eyes peeled.
Starting point is 00:12:09 Yeah. Well, he said he's hoping to bring characters to his version because he said... What does that mean? Wow, let me expand. You seem real angry.
Starting point is 00:12:17 I'm so angry. I'm not angry. He said in the original one, nobody's interesting. Do you want me to read the whole thing? Okay, yeah, go ahead. Tetsuo, is that his name? Yes. tetsuo is interesting because weird shit happens to him and kaneda is so two
Starting point is 00:12:31 dimensional that's a part of japanese culture they never have strong characters wow that's uh probably gonna maybe put a crimp in production of it and it's gonna he's because there are a lot of people who there's a lot lot of Japanophiles out there who love everything anime and everything Japanese. And if you say their characters aren't strong... Yeah. Like, there is...
Starting point is 00:12:52 That's a big generalisation, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's entirely possible that he's missing out on a lot of nuance there. Yeah. In the characters. That's it. But also, it's like two hours long.
Starting point is 00:13:01 How much character do you want? Well, that's true, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I think he's burning a lot of bridges by saying that. I don't think he's... I mean, he's not a bad director, I don't think. Unknown's not great.
Starting point is 00:13:09 Haven't seen the midget one. Haven't seen the plain one. I haven't seen the midget. Sorry. Haven't seen the dwarf one. Little person. The dwarf one. Can you not say...
Starting point is 00:13:18 Oh, yeah, you can't say that, can you? Can't say that. Okay. Yep. Maybe I'll cut that out. Nah, it's fine. Lilliputian. Okay.
Starting point is 00:13:24 Yep. Gotcha. Now that's insulting. Oh, wow. From the land. Lilliputian. Okay. Yep. Gotcha. Now that's insulting. Oh, wow. From the land of Lilliput. From Gulliver's Travels. Right, gotcha. Okay, okay.
Starting point is 00:13:31 But he doesn't seem like the right director for this. He's only kind of done smaller affairs. Like, Unknown is traipsing across Europe. The plane one's just on a plane. He slept with Liam Neeson's wife. It was a small affair. I just think it seems like something with a lot of scope. Because she's a little person.
Starting point is 00:13:49 Sorry. It seems like something with a lot of scope. I mean, you've got this huge, expansive city, and it's something more kind of akin to Blade Runner, so you need someone who can kind of handle that. But speaking of Favreau and Zathura, at some point he had to make the jump from Swingers and Maid to
Starting point is 00:14:07 Zathura. There's a huge jump there. I guess you get sent to some sort of director boot camp. No, I mean really. No, yeah, you remember that. And they set you up like, this is the cinema photographer who's worked on this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So maybe I don't know.
Starting point is 00:14:24 I don't have any faith in it. I'll give you that. But there's certainly a possibility that this could work. Yeah, you're right. So maybe, I don't know. I don't have any faith in it. I'll give you that. But there's certainly a possibility that this could work. Yeah, you're right. I mean, the studios don't set him up to fail, do they? Wow. He did sleep with Liam Neeson's wife. That's true. And they would have got him cheaper than a lot of directors. So if they were to get, I don't know, for example, Spielberg, who wouldn't do this, I'm assuming, then that's going to cost a lot of money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or even Jon Favreau as a thorough. Yeah. And made. Then that's going to cost a lot of money. Yeah, yeah. Or even Jon Favreau. It was a thorough.
Starting point is 00:14:46 Yeah. And made. And that's it. All right. Let's move it along, Mason. Yep. I have news on the Gotham TV series. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:14:54 There's a bunch of casting news. Any mustache news. I want to get to that, Mason. Okay, good. We'll get to that. I want to talk about it. I think I know what you're talking about. We'll get to that.
Starting point is 00:15:01 We talked about it off the show last week. Yep. Robin Taylor. He's an actor. He was in Another Earth. We talked about it after the show last week. Yep. Robin Taylor, he's an actor. He was in Another Earth, the movie, but it was Another Earth. And The Walking Dead,
Starting point is 00:15:10 I think for an episode. He's been cast as Oswald Cobblepot. Ooh. A low-level psychopath for the gangster Fish Mooney. Huh. I saw his face.
Starting point is 00:15:19 He looks like a little kind of Weasley guy. Looks penguin-y? Yeah, enough. He's not like a roly-poly guy, but you know, he's younger. Yeah, the roly-poly guy, but, you know, he's younger.
Starting point is 00:15:27 Yeah, the roly-poly-ness will come later. Sure. Like with all of us. Yeah, and if you... Yes. If you're going to have it set at the start of, you know, pre-Batman, pre-all that, you can't have everybody... Looking...
Starting point is 00:15:37 ...caricature-y like that, because it's going to get... Wah! Yeah, exactly. You can't have that from the start, yeah. Maybe he'd be really subtle about it, like, wah. Wah. You've lost again, Cobblepot. Back to have that from the start. Maybe he'd be really subtle about it. Like, wah. Wah.
Starting point is 00:15:46 You've lost again, Cobblepot. Back to jail with you. Wah. Throws up his hands and the feet. Wah. Zabrina Guevara from Marley and Me and Burn Notice. Our favourite show, Burn Notice. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:16:00 Do you watch Burn Notice? We've watched a bit of Burn Notice. I've seen it. I watched the first season. He's always infiltrating a gang yep and he's setting up a deal but maybe the deal
Starting point is 00:16:08 is going to go south yeah but he's got a guy waiting for him with a sniper rifle yeah exactly but then maybe he'll put on like
Starting point is 00:16:14 like a white beater and he'll be from New York he'll put on an accent you know no no no what's up or down what's black or white who's to say
Starting point is 00:16:24 and he's always got that voice over before he infiltrates a gang. He's like, when you're infiltrating a tribe syndicate, the Japanese triads... The first thing to do is put on a wife beater. And you're like, is this going to come in handy at any point? And then his sexy ex-girlfriend turns up and maybe seduces somebody. And then Bruce Campbell drives the van or whatever.
Starting point is 00:16:41 And everybody's like, yeah, Bruce Campbell! Yeah, okay. We've watched a lot of that. Evidently. Apparently so, yeah. You know, Bruce Campbell, he confirmed. He's like, hey, listen, we're going to do another Evil Dare movie. I'm going to cross it over with the reboot.
Starting point is 00:16:56 Okay. And everyone's like, yes, Bruce Campbell's back. It's going to be amazing. You're doing the devil horns. Yeah, I was doing the devil horns. And then a week later he comes out and he goes, come on, guys. You shouldn't just believe things that people say on the internet Everyone's like you said that
Starting point is 00:17:08 You said it a week ago You're the executive producer of all these things It came from your mouth So I don't know what the state of that is But basically yeah So sorry she the person we were talking about She's Gordon's boss in the homicide squad She balances politics with police work.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Oh. Don't you think that's great? It's pretty great. I've never heard of either of those first two, by the way. Next one, Erin Richards
Starting point is 00:17:31 from Open Grave, another person I haven't heard of. She's Barbara Keane, emergency doctor and Gordon's wife who stands by him. Even on the comic,
Starting point is 00:17:40 he cheats on her. That's boys. And how. Yep. Donald Logue. Yeah, okay. Sons of Anarchy, boys. And how. Yep. Donald Logue. Yeah, okay. Sons of Anarchy, Vikings.
Starting point is 00:17:48 Great guy. Terriers. Terriers? I was in Terriers. Terriers, he's like a... A dog. A small dog. It's an animated dog show. They get into all sorts of hijinks.
Starting point is 00:17:56 No, it's like, he's one of a couple of down and out kind of private detectives. Okay. It only went for a season. Yeah. But it's really good. It's like, it's a dramedy kind of thing. I mean, there's like funny moments and like poignant moments. Poignant.
Starting point is 00:18:11 Poignant moments and there's kind of, you know, really tense moments and stuff. But it's actually, it's a really well-written show and it's a shame it only went for a season. Ah. Also, he's in Blade and he gets his head shoved into the side of the train. Remember that? I don't remember that. No. He's Deacon Frost's second-in-command.
Starting point is 00:18:26 Ah. And Blade pushes his head against the speeding express train. Yeah. And it burns all his face off. Oh, no, I haven't seen that. Okay, there you go. Stephen Dorff does an amazing South African accent in The Power of One. Because he's South African.
Starting point is 00:18:36 Yes, he is. Anyway, Donald Logue's going to be in it. He's going to be Harvey Bullock. Okay, that works. That totally works. Yeah, yeah. Also, he's in Grounded for Life. Oh, I like Grounded for Life. Really? Yes! That's good. I mean, for the time. Okay, that works. That totally works. Also, he was in Grounded for Life. Oh, I like Grounded
Starting point is 00:18:45 for Life. Really? Yes! That was good. I mean, for the time. Yeah, okay. Fair enough. Like, now, you
Starting point is 00:18:50 couldn't really bring that out now, but that guy in particular, that's not a great show, sure, but he is really good and funny. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:56 The description is rough around the edges partner and mentor of Jim Gordon. Huh. I read a comic recently, I think it was Batman Earth 1,
Starting point is 00:19:02 you know, those kind of reboots they do? I think it was that one, and Harvey Bullock in it is like this... I think he's like an LA kind of TV cop, and he comes to Gotham to make his name, and he's all trim and handsome and smooth-talking. But then he gets...
Starting point is 00:19:13 He meets this serial killer and, like, breaks him down. Oh, okay. And at the end, he's like a hard-drinking kind of... It's not a great comic. Yeah. It changes a lot of the origins. It's as good as a kind of one-off thing. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:19:22 But, you know, it's okay. Okay. Next one. Sean Pertwee. You familiar with him? He's from Dog Soldiers. Remember Dog Soldiers? Yeah, the werewolf. Yeah. Dog Soldiers, if anybody hasn't seen it, it's a low-budget werewolf English
Starting point is 00:19:36 film. It came out in like 2002. And it's basically werewolves attacking a house, a cottage, and there are soldiers in it. And it's great. He's also in Elementary. Do you want me to give you a second while you have a look at his face? As soon as you see him, you'll know exactly who he is. Yeah, I will, because I recognise the name.
Starting point is 00:19:51 Oh, yeah, okay. He's Alfred. Oh, yeah, I can see that. Ex-Marine Alfred. Tough as nails. Once he put on the classic Gotham moustache, he's going to look... He looks a little like Richard Roxburgh. Yeah, I'd pay that okay by
Starting point is 00:20:06 the way people if you haven't seen rake not the american remake which i have not seen the australian version of rake with richard roxburgh who was the vampire in van helsing and probably vampires and other stuff he was the bad guy in league of extraordinary generally yeah great actor yep those are terrible movies that's a really good show watch right it's the only australian show worth watching yeah i think, I think that's being released in America. That is. On something or other. Oh, no, there's a new American version with...
Starting point is 00:20:30 What's his name? I always bring him up. Brandon Rowe. No, he's in bloody... Shia LaBeouf. No, Greg Kinnear. Oh, really? Okay.
Starting point is 00:20:38 Greg Kinnear's Rake. Might be worth it. I might check it out, yeah. So that's the new cast, Mason. That's pretty strong from what I can see here. Also, they're looking for a young Bruce Wayne at the moment. Oh, so one of us the new cast, Mason. That's pretty strong from what I can see here. Also, they're looking for a young Bruce Wayne at the moment. Oh, so one of us then?
Starting point is 00:20:48 Yes, definitely. I'll race you to the casting couch, because that's how it happens. The thing about the young Bruce Wayne is you have to be very careful for a number of reasons. It's hard, kid actors are... When you say young, like a kid actor? Like 12 to 14. Kid actors, first of all, it's hard to find a good one. Right. As we've established over the years. It's even hard to find a good one who won't grow into a monster. Right, exactly.
Starting point is 00:21:10 You know? Yeah, yeah. Both physically and emotionally. Slash drug-wise. Slash Shia LaBeouf. Slash, for some reason, only does songs about pizza. Macaulay Culkin just recently started a band.
Starting point is 00:21:25 Oh, right, yeah. And he does like... There's a four minute video of him just eating pizza as well. Right, yeah, yeah. And he looks really... Great. Unhealthy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:32 But like, for example though, but it can go the other way. Most child actors start off... Most actors start off not looking so great, then grow into themselves. For example, you know, Nicholas Holt? Yeah, a bad boy. Bad boy. Yeah, that guy's got... I mean, the bowl haircut doesn't help that guy.
Starting point is 00:21:47 But then he turned up and he's like this super handsome dude. Yeah, yeah. Same with Neville Longbottom. You've seen that guy now? Handsome dude? So handsome. There you go. Looks like Superman.
Starting point is 00:21:56 Wow, okay. He got his teeth fixed or whatever. He looks amazing. He's easily the best looking, he came out the best out of that. Even Emma Watson? Nah, sorry, second best. There we go, thank you. Because Daniel Raycliffe
Starting point is 00:22:05 didn't grow past 12. He's not a bad looking bloke by any stretch, Mason. Let's just rate all the Harry Potter cast from best to worst. No, let's rate them from best looking to ugliest. There's only the two options. Wrongly ugly. Original Dumbledore, handsome.
Starting point is 00:22:21 Second Dumbledore, poor choice of casting I thought. Anyway. Anyway, it's called The Pizza Underground. And they just do Velvet Underground covers that have been... The lyrics have been cleverly twisted, so they're about pizza. I guess you've got a lot of money, you can just do whatever you want. Does he have a lot of money? Well, maybe.
Starting point is 00:22:37 He's got that Home Alone sweet cash. Oh, yeah. And the Richie Rich money. Presumably if his parents didn't spend it all. I heard they let him keep all the money from Richie Rich. Just all the money that was in the
Starting point is 00:22:47 And the McDonald's? Yeah. Okay Mason but you know every week I'm like hey rate us on Twitter or whatever. Not Twitter.
Starting point is 00:22:54 On iTunes. Some might say you have an obsession. Some might say that Mason. That obsession ends today.
Starting point is 00:22:59 Really? Sure. Rate us on iTunes or whatever. I guess we should get featured at some point. It would be nice.
Starting point is 00:23:04 Or not. It doesn't matter Mason because I've got should get featured at some point. It would be nice. Or not. It doesn't matter, Mason, because I've got a new vendetta. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Is this Gotham-based? It's Gotham-based. Okay. I reached out to Benjamin McKenzie, who's playing Detective Gordon, Jim Gordon.
Starting point is 00:23:15 I said, hey, McKenzie, first of all, well done. Are you going to have a mustache? No reply. I've only got like 500-something Twitter followers. He's not going to reply to me. He's got 100,000 followers. I've only got like 500 something Twitter followers. He's not going to reply to me.
Starting point is 00:23:24 He's got 100,000 followers. So I want everybody to tweet at Benjamin McKenzie and harass him. Is it at Benjamin McKenzie? It is. I've got it written here. Just give me a second. It is at Ben underscore McKenzie. M-C-K-E-N-Z-I-E.
Starting point is 00:23:41 And I want people to say this or a variation of this. At Benjamin McKenzie, will you grow a mustacheoustache for Gotham? Hashtag McKenzie moustache. Now, I would like to say there, he can probably weasel his way out of that. How? Because you said, are you going to grow a moustache? He might not grow a moustache, but he might have a moustache. Good point! I'm going to change it. At Ben
Starting point is 00:24:00 underscore McKenzie, will you have a moustache for Gotham? Hashtag McKenzie moustache. There we go. And at MrSundayMovies in it. Yeah. Me in it. Fantastic.
Starting point is 00:24:09 Because I want to see it. I want to see his response. I want to get as many of those as we can because I want to know. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to know. I definitely want to know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:18 I want to know details. Because we're not going to know for like two years. Yeah. Exactly. We want to know every detail Mason. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:24 So please. At Benjamin underscore Mackenzie. will you have a mustache for Gotham? Hashtag Mackenzie mustache. Thank you. At Mr. Sunday News. Because when I started watching Arrow, it would have been a lot easier for me had I known, is Deathstroke going to grow the goatee or not? Yeah. He has.
Starting point is 00:24:41 Spoiler alert, he has. But it was touch and go for a year. It was very touch and go. I'd say it was. Yeah. So there you go. Please do that as well, everybody. Please?
Starting point is 00:24:50 I'm going to do it. Are you? Yeah. Good, because you never do anything to support the show. So I appreciate that. So basically, John Wesley Shipp, you know who he is? He is Old Flash? He's Old Flash.
Starting point is 00:25:02 Yeah. It was also Dawson's dad. He's going to appear in the Flash pilot. Oh, I get it. The new Flash pilot in an unspecified role. Old Flash? He's Old Flash. Yeah. It was also Dawson's dad. He's going to appear in the Flash pilot. Oh, I get it. The new Flash pilot in an unspecified role. The Flash? Yes, he'll be the Flash. He boards up the set.
Starting point is 00:25:13 He's got a gun and a bomb and he won't leave until he's the new Barry Allen again. He'll be... If the show's picked up, he'll be expanded into... A balloon. Yes. A Thanksgiving Day balloon. And he'll be in the rest of the show as a character
Starting point is 00:25:28 maybe he'll be Jay Garrick original character okay yeah wait that won't make any sense though will it why not
Starting point is 00:25:33 because there weren't any super powered superheroes before that yeah I guess so who cares doesn't matter he could just be a guy sitting on a soup
Starting point is 00:25:40 and his name's Jay Garrick and they called him you know what and they called him The Flash because he was like a high school track star or something.
Starting point is 00:25:45 Oh, good idea. That'd be pretty good, wouldn't it? And people still call him that? Yeah. Even though he's 59? I looked up his age, he's 59.
Starting point is 00:25:51 He's like a nice guy. Good chiseled head. Very chiseled head. Now, Mason, there is a small, you know when we talked about Captain Planet last week?
Starting point is 00:25:58 Yes. And we berated it for being the worst show ever made? Yes. And we said, I think you specifically said, they couldn't make it
Starting point is 00:26:04 because it's too green. Right, and they'd have to carbon neutral the whole set. Yes. And we said, I think you specifically said, they couldn't make it because it's too green. Right, and they have to carbon neutral the whole set. Exactly. Interestingly, Mason, this is kind of related, there's a Spider-Man,
Starting point is 00:26:11 the Amazing Spider-Man 2 feature out this week where it's all about being green and how they've made it one of the greenest movies of all time. Recycling everything and using all sorts
Starting point is 00:26:19 of recycled sets and materials. Just recycle. Yeah. It's not really... What a great idea, guys. It's not really news. Yeah. But I just thought
Starting point is 00:26:26 that was interesting. I hope that doesn't mean we're going to get a Captain Planet movie, though. I hope you haven't said something. Oh, I've kicked something off, haven't I? You've kicked something off.
Starting point is 00:26:33 God. Well, you know what? We've got to take the good with the bad. I mean, you don't want there to be a Captain Planet movie, but you want Ben McKenzie to reveal whether
Starting point is 00:26:40 he's got a moustache or not. So, you know what? Hashtag McKenzie moustache. We've got ultimate power here, so we've got to use it wisely. I might ask the boss of comic movie Jim Little if I can put an article up about this and get everybody on
Starting point is 00:26:53 the website to harass him. He seems like a nice guy. I don't want to use the word harass, but at the same time let's all harass this guy. Sexually harass. Captain America, the Winter Soldier Newsmason. Are you excited for that one coming out? It's going to be guy. Sexually harass. You mean sexually harass. Okay. I do. Captain America, the Winter Soldier news, Mason. Are you excited for that one coming out? Yes, very much so.
Starting point is 00:27:07 It's going to be great. Now, the new costume, there's a bit of information about this week. I do love costumes. Don't you? The new costume is faithful to the Ed Brubaker's work. That's why it's the way it is, Mason. This is all costume related. And the idea was to make it more grounded.
Starting point is 00:27:20 And so there's a distinction between the S.H.I.E.L.D. Captain America, who works for S.H.I.E.L.D. Yep. And he's stealth and about. Yeah.H.I.E.L.D. Captain America who works for S.H.I.E.L.D. and he's stealth and about. Yeah. Stealth and about. And the Captain America because there are two distinct kind of roles there, isn't there? Boy, is there.
Starting point is 00:27:31 So there's the costume change. That's why it's happening. Huh. But also I think the old costume's in it as well because we've seen it in the trailers. I do love costumes. The World War II one. I hate it.
Starting point is 00:27:38 Heaps good. Also Anthony Mackie, you know him. He plays Falcon. Oh yeah. The Falcon. Is it Falcon or the Falcon? Or the Millennium Falcon? It's Millennium D. He plays Falcon. Oh, yeah. The Falcon. Is it Falcon or the Falcon? Or the Millennium Falcon? Millennium Dome, I think.
Starting point is 00:27:49 Okay, good. He's called the Millennium Dome. Anthony Mackie is playing Millennium Dome. He said he's been calling Marvel every day, every day, every Monday for a role in the Avengers 2. Just harassing them. Benjamin McKenzie style. That doesn't work with people, though. No, it doesn't.
Starting point is 00:28:01 Remember the guy in the Matrix? Yes. Tank? Tank! Yeah. Yeah. He was all like, put me in the in the Matrix? Yes. Tank? Tank! Yeah. Yeah. He was all like, put me in the sequels or whatever! I'll kill you! Yeah, and then they just wrote him out. He used to turn up on the set. Yeah, and then they were just like,
Starting point is 00:28:11 oh, he died. Also, you know, what's her name? The woman from Blade Runner. Who's notoriously crazy. The main woman from Blade Runner. Yeah. She was originally in the first Batman. I can't remember. Jack? Rachel or something? He's one of the moments, no, that's the character's name. He's one of the moments where people are shouting at us. Yes.
Starting point is 00:28:26 Sean Young. Sean Young. Wait. Sean Astin? No, that's the guy from The Hobbit. I think it's Sean Young. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:28:31 Mackenzie Mustache. But she was cast in the original Batman, I think, and then broke her leg and couldn't do it. And she was insistent that she played Catwoman
Starting point is 00:28:39 in the next one. So she kept showing up at Tim Burton's place in a Catwoman costume. Okay. Yeah. That doesn't work. Is that allegedly or did that happen?
Starting point is 00:28:46 That happened. For reals. Huh. Yeah. I love it. Some people go crazy. Some people don't. Guardians of the Galaxy,
Starting point is 00:28:54 I just want to talk about this briefly. Okay, I'm ready. The trailer's out this week. Oh, the real trailer? For the first time ever, an actual real trailer. Yes, that hasn't been shown at Comic-Con or released. Or released on Russian servers,
Starting point is 00:29:04 so they can't be shut down. Exactly, yeah. It's out Tuesday the 18th. So when this comes out, if you're listening to this on the Tuesday,
Starting point is 00:29:11 I will be. Go and see it, Mason. The trailer. Yes. On the internet. At comicbookmovies.com. Yeah. Or don't.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Any website is fine. But, you know, support the website. They only get 30 million views a month, so I think this is a little bit long. That's not the population of the website. They only get 30 million views a month, so... That's not the population of the Earth. We need more hits.
Starting point is 00:29:30 Yeah, so I just think that's interesting. We'll talk about that next week, but I'm super excited for that. Me too. Good, both of us are. Matt Mason, Batman vs Superman News. I know it contradicts our no-shout-out-of-the-booth and Batman vs Superman News. That's fine, we split them up, though. We have, haven't we?
Starting point is 00:29:43 I put a big gap in here. Zack Snyder confirmed that it is again it's not really news this but I'm just saying anyway let's get through it quickly let's burn through this just burn through it
Starting point is 00:29:50 he's confirmed again that it's not a direct adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns but that book will influence it we know that we do know that and also they just
Starting point is 00:30:00 that shouldn't be the influencing book no not at all because it's the end yeah anyway Batman will be an older and more advised man than Superman but will retain Just, that shouldn't be the influencing book. No, not at all. Because it's the end. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Batman will be an older and more advised man than Superman, but will retain that Bruce Wayne charm.
Starting point is 00:30:10 So what do you think of that? I like Bruce Wayne charm. I like Bruce Wayne charm too. Yeah. I think Christian Bale did a pretty good Bruce Wayne. Especially in the first one where he pretends to be like a drunk. And he does it more in the first than the second one. Third one he's a weird recluse.
Starting point is 00:30:23 But, yeah. I like the bit in the first one where he pretends to be drunk and he gets everyone out of his house. He's like, beat it, freeloaders. I hate you all. That's great. So, yeah, there you go. Will you rise with the sun to help change mental health care forever?
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Starting point is 00:31:11 on Robocop 2014. It's been out in the US. That's it. It only just came out in the US. It came out here a couple weeks ago. Fans are divided, Mason. Critics are divided. It's sitting on about 50% of Rotten Tomatoes at the moment.
Starting point is 00:31:28 Uh-huh. Is it the worst use of the Robocop properties? Boy, is it not. It is not that at all. No. Okay. Is it a justified remake? Yes.
Starting point is 00:31:37 Oh, wow. Because we did say, or you said in particular a few weeks back, that that is a dead horse. Boys, yes. was that last week I think it was the week before the week before yeah no that's that and a lot of people
Starting point is 00:31:50 and I spoke to about somebody in real life about this the other day yeah that a lot of people just have memories of Robocop
Starting point is 00:31:56 they don't even remember either of the sequels yeah they sort of have a vague recollection that there was a Robocop 2 yeah like no
Starting point is 00:32:02 recollection 3 yeah nobody knows at all nobody at all knows that there was a Robocop 2. Ignoring recollection 3. Nobody knows at all, nobody at all knows that there was a TV series, two cartoons, TV movies, all that sort of stuff. Japanese commercials. Japanese commercials for chicken. Nobody knows it's been on a downward spiral for years and years.
Starting point is 00:32:20 There's no way to go but up. Yeah. Now, it's obviously not better than the first, right? Well Oh my goodness Okay, here's the thing Before we get started A, we're going to spoil this, right?
Starting point is 00:32:30 Yes We're going to spoil the hell out of it This is out Tuesday or Monday People should have seen it Yeah, if you haven't seen it, spoilers If you have seen it Double spoilers Double spoilers
Starting point is 00:32:37 Yeah Um I thought maybe we could talk about the good Then the bad Yeah, okay, we can do that So, yeah Do you want to kick it off with the good? Yes Wait Yes Okay, first of all I thought maybe we could talk about the good, then the bad. Yeah, okay, we can do that. So, yeah. Do you want to kick it off with the good? Yes.
Starting point is 00:32:46 Wait. Yes. Okay, first of all, it's not the same movie. No. Like, having all, we've all seen it, it's not the same movie. I don't think we can expect the same movie. No. Like, my, again, my favourite scene, well, one of my many favourites, every scene in
Starting point is 00:33:01 the first one was my favourite scene in the first Robocop but the scene right at the start where they're testing out ED-209 in the boardroom yeah and it kills the junior executive it's hilarious
Starting point is 00:33:11 but at the same time that's nowhere close to being the real world like imagine the gross incompetence it would take
Starting point is 00:33:20 for that situation to happen like it'd have to be like okay um so we're gonna bring the giant gun-toting robot into the boardroom where all the executives are. Should we put live ammunition in the guns? Yes, we should.
Starting point is 00:33:33 Okay, should we have, like, an enormous red button where you push it and it kills the power to the robot? No, let's not do that. But it'd take, like, ten minutes to wire it in? No, let's not do that. Let's leave it. And, like like they would have to have done
Starting point is 00:33:46 simulations and all and just you know it's not a real No it's not a real scenario. This is Robocop in the quote unquote real world.
Starting point is 00:33:53 Yeah. Like it is The first ones are obviously a satire. Yeah yeah yeah. And this is not as much. I mean it is it's
Starting point is 00:33:58 there are themes there are themes and issues and it is satirical in its own way but it's not there's nobody getting their dick shot off. No. Well, the issue here, I guess, or one of the main issues is
Starting point is 00:34:09 it's more about the concerns of automated warfare and the implications of that more so than big business. There's a little bit of that, but there's a few other themes. I know you want to do the good things and then the bad things. But what I'm probably going to do
Starting point is 00:34:25 is just have an assortment of random thoughts and just say them. So, you know what? I'm not on board with. I don't think the Robocop theme works with this. Okay.
Starting point is 00:34:33 The new version. Did it play that much in it though? Not really. Just at the opening theme and they kind of tried to techno-y it up a little bit.
Starting point is 00:34:39 Yeah. But I don't think it really works with... Do you mean, what if they had got the actual proper theme and just used that throughout it? Would you prefer that? Or do you just think don't think it really works with... Do you mean, what if they had got the actual proper theme and just used that throughout it? Would you prefer that?
Starting point is 00:34:47 Or do you just think don't use the theme? In small doses, it probably would have worked the original, yeah. Okay, the good. CGI is spectacular. Absolutely. At no point was I like, ooh, that's... The suit on set looked a little weird and rubbery. But when you see it, there's clearly been touch-ups to it.
Starting point is 00:35:03 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the way his legs... There's like that weird kind of gap between his legs which a human wouldn't have which they've clearly done and little things like when his kid runs his hand down his dad's leg yeah and he like the metal over right yeah like little things like that uh-huh it gives it gives it the sense that it does have weight it's not this rubbery suit that he's bouncing around right right yeah he's heavy yeah he's like a tank let Right, right, right, yeah. He's heavy. Yeah. He's like a tank. Let's talk about it, because my biggest concern about Robocop was who's going to be Robocop. Sure.
Starting point is 00:35:29 How it's going to look. Yeah. Because nobody's gotten the Robocop walk right. Yeah. Nobody's gotten the movement right. Yeah. He's always looked weird and puffy and kind of just, everybody after Peter Weller just looked like this stuffed sausage in his tin can.
Starting point is 00:35:45 But I think they've gotten it. Like when you first see Murphy, he's kind of tall and rangy. And you look at that and go, he's going to work well in this. I think he did. I thought it was interesting, Lewis is not Anne Lewis anymore. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. Lewis is Kenneth Williams from The Wire.
Starting point is 00:36:02 From The Wire. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's good. He is good. I enjoyed it. That was a strange choice, yeah. Character is Ken Williams from The Wire. From The Wire, yeah, yeah. I mean, he's good. He is good. I enjoyed his work. That was a strange choice, yeah. Characterisation I really enjoyed.
Starting point is 00:36:08 Yeah. I thought, and again, it's not these cackling, insane, money-grubbing lunatics like in the first couple of Robocops. You know, people have genuine motivations, like Michael Keaton as the CEO. He's great. He's great, and he's a bad guy clearly. But I often think that in fiction the best villains have a point. And he wants his profit margin.
Starting point is 00:36:36 He wants his billions of dollars that he's going to get from the US market because of drones. But at the same time he does genuinely believe that getting cops off the street and replacing them with cyborgs or military hardware is going to save thousands of people's lives. So many lives, yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:51 And he's right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, people are going to lose their jobs, but that's... No, you're right. He is right. He believes in what he does to some level, which is... He's probably a psychopath because he's the CEO of a company, but he believes in that. psychopath because he's the CEO of a company.
Starting point is 00:37:03 But, you know, he believes in that. And similarly with Gary Oldman, you know, he is a guy who has to do some bad things over the course of the film. He has to, you know, remove some of Murphy's humanity in order to make him an effective police officer. But he needs to do that because he needs to prove that this product works
Starting point is 00:37:19 so he can retain funding for his prosthetics work. Yeah, you're absolutely right. His character arc I thought was really, really interesting because you can see, and it onlyetics work. Yeah, absolutely right. His character arc I thought was really, really interesting. Because you can see, and it only happens bit by bit, he's not like, now I'm evil! You can see every time he has to push it that little bit further. It gets to the point where he's not as fast as a drone. Let's make Robocop think that he's doing all these things.
Starting point is 00:37:38 And he still feels like a human being. That's right. So he's like, well, I'm not doing such a bad thing. Because when he's not in combat mode, he still feels like a human being. Exactly. I like that he's like, well, I'm not doing such a bad thing because when he's not in combat mode, he still feels like a human being. I like that line about the visor comes down
Starting point is 00:37:49 and it takes over or whatever. And then it gets to the point where it's like, he has to change into the Robocop we kind of know from the original because he has this
Starting point is 00:37:58 complete fucking freakout when he gets uploaded to the system or whatever. And then he becomes all automated and whatever. But I love the scenes with Gary Oldman and Michael Keaton. Yes. Let's say it's some of the best in the movie by far.
Starting point is 00:38:11 Michael Keaton, I can't understand why he dropped off the map for so long. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he's so good. Yeah. Well, apparently he was offered like $50 million for like Batman 3. Oh, yeah? And he was like, I don't want to be tired. I think maybe he burned some bridges. Yeah. I don't know, because he was the biggest movie star in the world. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:28 For, you know, a few years there. That's it. I don't know, but yeah, he keeps getting better. Yeah. I enjoy him and everything. Me too. Yeah, yeah. You know what I did like about the new Robocop as well? I know there wasn't a lot of blood and gore, which I would have liked to see. I can understand why it wasn't, whatever. But I found it really horrific when Murphy goes, look, I want to see what's left of me yes horrifying that is yeah
Starting point is 00:38:46 I found that very confronting pull his legs off and you're like okay he doesn't have legs pull his arms off shit he's just a hand just a hand
Starting point is 00:38:54 and it's not even connected it's not even an arm they've removed everything except the hand it's just the hand yeah yeah and then they pull the chest away and he's just a sack of organs
Starting point is 00:39:02 yeah yeah an esophagus a face and a brain. Yeah, yeah. And it's horrifying. And it's not even his entire brain. No. There's bits missing.
Starting point is 00:39:10 I was like, that was like, wow. And that's, it's really confronting. And also, it's dwelled on for a really long time. Yeah. Like, it's not, he's not there for like 30 seconds. He's like, put me back together. It's like, it's a good five, six, seven minutes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:23 Of just, ugh. And it's really like, claustrophobic. I six, seven minutes scene of just, ugh. And it's really like claustrophobic. I found it really claustrophobic as well. Because imagine you're this head. Yeah, yeah. You can't move. You're a face. You can't even scratch an itch.
Starting point is 00:39:32 No. Which I'm doing right now. Maybe you can hear that on the mic. There it is. I found that, yeah, really great. That was my own point. But yeah, I thought that was really good. And it looks, like, it doesn't look ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:39:43 No. Like, I'm sure if we'd made this a couple of years ago people would have laughed in the cinema but there's no in fact like probably a worse director
Starting point is 00:39:51 or a worse cinematographer if you'd done that reveal people would have laughed like hey look at this guy look at that but it's horrific you go like people gasp in the cinema
Starting point is 00:39:59 yeah it's the slow reveal that's alright it's not just click here it is it was like slowly pulling apart. Yeah. Crazy.
Starting point is 00:40:06 But they also humanized him in the sense, or kind of made him more vulnerable in the sense, you see the bit where they're kind of draining, siphoning his blood and putting vitamins and whatever into it. There's no more baby food situation. No. Just have to nibble on a little container of baby food in this one. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:22 So I thought that was really cool. You can't just send him out there. He's So I thought that was really cool. How like, you can't just send him out there. He's got to come back for maintenance. He's like a robot. Yeah. And again,
Starting point is 00:40:30 the first one was very much an over-the-top satire. There's no, nobody dies an ironic death in this one. Okay. Like, because as in the first movie,
Starting point is 00:40:39 Directive, Robocop's Directive 4 prevents him from killing anyone who works for OCP. Yeah. In this one, it's a red wristband. It's a red asset wristband which prevent like a presumably project some sort of radio frequency that prevents robocop from killing yeah anyone who works for ocp who's
Starting point is 00:40:55 wearing it at no point does anyone lose their wristband in a in a. Or like, you know, somebody, you know, like... Because, you know, at the end, Jackie O'Haley is about to kill Robocop. Yeah. And then he's... And Robocop can't kill him because he's got the red asset wristband on. You mean Haley Joel Osment.
Starting point is 00:41:17 Yeah, that's right, man. Haley Joel Osment. Former child actor, Haley Joel Osment. And he doesn't... He isn't running in to kill Robocop and he catches his wristband on her like an explosive pipe and he's like
Starting point is 00:41:27 oh no now I'm done for like it's a which would have happened in the 80s but it's not going to happen in this because nobody
Starting point is 00:41:33 would do that and it's also nobody's like you know oh you know somebody finds a nice watch on a corpse
Starting point is 00:41:41 and puts it on and replaces you know takes the wristband off like some criminal takes the wristband off and puts the watch on and the Robocop well and replaces, you know, take the wristband off, like some criminal, puts the, take the wristband off
Starting point is 00:41:46 and puts the watch on and they're over, fuck, well now it's time to die. Yeah, that's it, yeah. I felt
Starting point is 00:41:50 that that worked in the way that it did feel more realistic but I do think at the end that when Michael Keaton pulls the gun and he's found it, that did feel very forced.
Starting point is 00:42:02 I feel that may have been, I don't know. It wasn't true to what his character had been. Yeah, yeah. It's just like at the end, he's pretty much like, I'm evil, I'm a bad guy, I'm going to shoot your family. That's the Obadiah Stane syndrome, where he just becomes insane at the end with power.
Starting point is 00:42:18 He's like, well, I'll put this robot on, I guess I'll kill everyone in the world! Doesn't work. But yeah, I think that might have been studio interference. Yeah, probably. They're like, well, we've got to have, at the end, we have to have a bad guy standing and a good guy standing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:31 Has to be on top of a building. Yeah, exactly. And the bad guy has to have the advantage, but then, you know. Robocop. Robocop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think also in the 80s, the kid would have run over and grabbed his wristband off. You're probably right.
Starting point is 00:42:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. The 80s were off. You're probably right. Yeah. That's it. The 80s were great. Not really. No. Yeah. I was just saying how I told you I watched Robocop 2 just last night, actually. It's all right.
Starting point is 00:42:53 Yeah, it's not bad. The reason I watched it, you said it was good, but then I saw a red-letter media review, and I was like, check it out. I don't know if I said it was good. You said it was worth a watch. You said it was worth a watch, yeah. But then I didn't believe you, and then I saw red-letter media, and then I went, I will watch it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all right. There are bits in it which are really a watch, yeah. But then I didn't believe you. And then I saw Red Letter Media. And then I went, I will watch it.
Starting point is 00:43:05 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all right. There are bits in it which are really good. But yeah. You could check that out, Mason. Yeah, yeah. I also enjoyed that Robocop was manufactured in China. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:13 As far as satellite goes, I think that's quite subtle. But I think it was that, you know, everything is made in China now. That was cool how he burst outside and he was in the fields or whatever. Yeah, that's it. I liked as well, it showed like the psychology of what this kind of would do to a man you take somebody and you strip basically
Starting point is 00:43:27 everything away from him and what that would do to a person I like the way he handled that and you know that would obviously be taxing on a person
Starting point is 00:43:35 yeah anything else you want to say good about this movie let's talk action let's talk action I like the action I like some of the action
Starting point is 00:43:42 you like some of it not all of it no no the action was good but I thought it was too few and far between okay yeah I like the bit. I like some of the action. You like some of it, not all of it. No, no, the action was good, but I thought it was too few and far between. Okay, yeah. I liked the bit where he goes into the building at the end.
Starting point is 00:43:50 He's on the ground floor, and he's fighting all the ED-209s. That was good, yeah. I liked the bit where he fights all the drones. Yep. That was really, really cool. You did, so the one you've missed out on is where he fights all the bad guys in the warehouse. Yeah, I like that as well. Okay, good.
Starting point is 00:44:04 I thought the action was quite chaotic, but it wasn't chaotic like we don't know what's going on. Like a Bourne film? Like a Bourne film, exactly, yeah. I thought it's deliberately chaotic, like this might be what it's like in an actual combat situation. But again, there's no, like, the guy that set up the bomb that killed him. He doesn't, again, he doesn't die in an ironic manner.
Starting point is 00:44:23 No. Like, he just kind of, he more or less dies, he dies in like a, like a black and white, more or less. Yeah. Because Robocop has the thermograph on, and he just sort of kills some people in the dark,
Starting point is 00:44:34 and one of them's him. Yeah. And then he's dead, and he's like, oh, I got him. Yeah. Cool. That was kind of like how I felt,
Starting point is 00:44:39 felt Hayley Joel Osment's character died. Uh-huh, yeah. Like, it wasn't, no, he's, Yeah, Lewis just killed him. Just shot him. Yeah, yeah. And that was kind of it. I was like, eh. Yeah. I, it wasn't... Yeah, Lewis just killed him. Just shot him. Yeah, yeah. And that was kind of it.
Starting point is 00:44:45 I was like, eh. Yeah. I found the movie kind of very anticlimactic at the end. Right, yeah. To be honest. You're probably right. It kind of... I felt it kind of too long on kind of exploring him as a man and what it means to be human
Starting point is 00:44:57 and whatever. I thought that was a bit too drawn out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it kind of picked up a bit. And I liked all that, but I did like it, but I thought it was a bit too long. And then it picked up a bit, but then it kind of picked up a bit and I liked all that but I did like it but I thought it was a bit too long and then it picked up a bit but then it kind of then it kind of just stopped.
Starting point is 00:45:08 Yeah. And then it went Robocop. Right. And then it had I Fought the Law and the Law 1 in the clash. I didn't like that as a final. I love that song.
Starting point is 00:45:14 Do you really? Yeah, okay. Yeah. Alright. Doesn't really make sense. No, it doesn't. Yeah. Because he's the main character.
Starting point is 00:45:19 He's the main character. If he'd gone to jail somehow then he would have fought the Law and the Law 1. Ah, let me what else can we talk about? Kind of a nitpick. Sure. Why does he never run out of bullets?
Starting point is 00:45:27 Okay, yeah. Well, he doesn't really in the original one much. He reloads once. I reloads once. He reloads once in Robocop 1, and I think that's it. When he's fighting Clarence Boddicker and all those guys at the end. Okay. He reloads once.
Starting point is 00:45:39 Cool. And then that's it. That's it, yeah. Look, did you miss the gore? I didn't miss the gore. I missed the gun. I wish he had the classic. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:47 See, I had a problem with the stun gun. Yeah, yeah, I guess so. I mean, I know he did use a real gun at that bit you're talking about where he fights him in the dark. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a real machine gun or whatever. But the stun gun thing, even though he's like, if I shoot you with this, it could stop your heart, it'll give you a terrible experience. But it is a real gun. Like, it has a kill mode.
Starting point is 00:46:03 Yeah, that's true, yeah. But I think that the idea that it's a stun gun gets in your head yeah and you're like why is why is his primary side um a stun gun yeah exactly i like the bit where he shoots the cop with it in the yeah that was fun that was great yeah yeah that was a bit where i really noticed he's got a good robocop walk you know he just walks out and he just turns puts his gun to the side and just shoots that guy in the chest yeah that was fun Yeah. Did you think it was weird how it kind of, he added his humanity and then all of a sudden lost it and then he didn't have it for five minutes. And then he regained it somehow?
Starting point is 00:46:30 Yeah. Yeah, that was a little odd, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I just, I don't know, should that have happened from the start? I feel there should have been like a secondary character, like a secondary scientist character who had a hand in that.
Starting point is 00:46:41 Okay, yeah. Like who brought it, who felt, who felt some pains of conscience. Conscience, rather. Conscious. And then... And who suddenly brought it back up, and then he was free to be himself again.
Starting point is 00:46:52 Okay. And then maybe the controller chip was removed. Because the only thing was, it's like, he's overriding his programs! Yeah. But it didn't really explain that. Because he... The reason he was like that,
Starting point is 00:47:02 weren't they, like, pumping him full of a certain drug or whatever that was kind of dulling his human side or whatever? It's like, it's levelling out. It's not working anymore. I thought that was kind of weird. Also, the end bit with Michael Keaton, we talked about this. Where he's like, you can't shoot me, Robocop! But then he just does.
Starting point is 00:47:19 He's just like, I can shoot you. And he shoots him dead. So he overwrote his thing. Well, I don't know. I mean, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But at the same time, I can shoot you. And he shoots him dead. Yeah, yeah. So he overwrote his thing and then that... Well, I don't know. I mean, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But at the same time, I don't know. I guess... Like, nothing happened for it to...
Starting point is 00:47:32 You didn't see anything click in him. Right, yeah. To do that. I don't know. I guess there was enough of a biological brain to... Yeah. To override that. A mechanical connection for it to work on its own.
Starting point is 00:47:42 But like in the 80s, you're right. Because there's a bit where it's like, you're fired! And then he can shoot him or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, fair point, Mason. Yeah, it own. Fair point. But like in the 80s, you're right, because there's a bit where it's like, you're fired! And then he can shoot him or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, fair point, Mason. Yeah, it is a fair point. I think it's still, I'm willing to suspend disbelief to say that he could, there's enough of a man left in him
Starting point is 00:47:56 biologically to control that. Okay, fair enough. Because, you know, if there's no, you know, if somebody has like a prosthetic arm or whatever, there's not necessarily programming in that to prevent, to make them use it. It's just, you know, if somebody has like a prosthetic arm or whatever, there's not necessarily programming in that to prevent, to make them use it. It's just, you know, electrical signals and muscle memory that move it. So I'm willing to say, well, maybe there was, he can produce enough of a human electrical signal to move the arm and pull the trigger, you know. Okay.
Starting point is 00:48:18 Yeah, yeah. Fair enough. Fair point. Because, yeah, hand's still human. Sure. Yeah. Well, just the hand. How did that work?
Starting point is 00:48:24 I don't know. Science. Yeah. Well, just the hand. How did that work? I don't know. Science. Yeah. Did you think Detroit looked pretty good? It looked pretty nice for Detroit, didn't it? Yeah. Yeah, it was not... It wasn't riddled with...
Starting point is 00:48:32 There wasn't really any sense that it was riddled with crime. Yeah, exactly. And there was also... There was a gang guy, gang lord guy. Yeah, yeah. But... I kind of pictured the entire city as graffiti. Yeah. Like, literally every building was covered in graffiti
Starting point is 00:48:47 I think that would have and bombed out but I guess Detroit isn't actually like that which is probably why they didn't that's true from what we've seen on the televisions but it's also that movie's set in like 2028 it's not that far from now
Starting point is 00:49:00 14 years from now, do you think we'll have robot cops? that's a big question to ask sure. Do you think we'll have robot cops? That's a big question to ask. Sure is, Mason. I think we'll have drones. I definitely think we'll have, like, surveillance drones at the very least. Yeah. Well, we do now, don't we? We don't.
Starting point is 00:49:13 Not us, personally. I don't think the US has surveillance drones. Don't they have drones? No, I don't think there's been, like... Flying fly drones, I'm talking about. Well, they have drones, but they don't have them for, like, police. No. I think they'd need, like, FAA clearance or something like that for non-privately owned, non-hobby
Starting point is 00:49:28 drones, I think. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah. You haven't seen this show. You haven't seen Almost Human. I haven't. I've got it, but I haven't. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:34 Well, it's very almost... I thought it's more like an episode of Almost Human than it is Robocop. Not that that's a bad thing, because that's a good show, because that show deals a lot of, what does it mean to be human, blah, blah, blah. Uh-huh. So I think it works better as a companion piece to that than it does as a global cause.
Starting point is 00:49:48 Okay, yeah. Pop sequel. Okay, or reboot, yeah. We haven't talked about Samuel L. Jackson yet. Oh, right. Yeah, okay. How quickly do you reckon he filmed those scenes?
Starting point is 00:49:56 Oh, ten minutes? But he had to change outfits. Great suits, I thought. Yeah, sure, yeah. Fantastic suits. You notice these things. I never notice. Nice windowpane.
Starting point is 00:50:03 Sure. Nice chalk stripe. Talk about it all day. But I thought it was great. I never notice. Nice window pane. Sure. Nice chalk stripe. Talk about it all day. But I thought it was great. I thought, first couple of times, there he is, Samuel L. Jackson. That's hilarious. Like, toward the middle, I'm like, this is grating a little bit. Okay, yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:15 And then when he lost his mind at the end, I was back and forth. That was good, yeah. Yeah, yeah. They bleeped out the swear word. Yeah. They probably couldn't. That was, you know, I think I said in PG-13, you can get away with one fuck. Who had it?
Starting point is 00:50:24 Do you remember? I don't think anybody did. I think they must have used it up somewhere can get away with one fuck. Who had it? Do you remember? I don't think anybody did. I think they must have used it up somewhere else in another bit. Maybe when he was a sack of organs or whatever. Yeah, yeah. But hey. Yeah, I thought maybe the Samuel L. Jackson stuff was a little bit heavy-handed. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:36 But I mean, it wasn't... It was supposed to be like a Bill O'Reilly kind of thing, right? And I guess I don't really watch any Bill O'Reilly, so I don't know. That might be dead on as far as blatantly obvious, cut the guy who doesn't agree with you. Yeah, he does do a lot of that. Oh, okay, then I guess that's quite accurate then, yeah. Yeah, most of the stuff that I've seen of Bill O'Reilly is people...
Starting point is 00:50:57 Making a valid point and then him screaming at him? Yeah, that's pretty much it, where he looks like a lunatic or he cuts somebody off. Right, right. There's a lot of that. I don't want to get into it, but he seems like a massive dickhead. Right, right, right. And I hope he dies. Yeah, good. That's pretty much it, yeah, where he looks like a lunatic or somebody, yeah, or he cuts somebody off. Right, right, right. There's a lot of that. I don't want to get into it, but he seems like a massive dickhead. Right, right, right. And I hope he dies. Yeah, good.
Starting point is 00:51:08 That's a spirit. But yeah, again, this guy, maybe he's a good, maybe you feel he's a good guy or a bad guy or whatever, but he does feel, he feels like a character, even though he's a satire, he feels like a character who has some real motivation. Yeah. Like he wants, he wants safe streets. That's right, yeah. He wants, you know.
Starting point is 00:51:23 He believes the things that he's saying. Yeah, yeah. Which I do wonder about Bill O'Reilly. I hate to bring it back. You can't be that intelligent and say things like that. I guess you can. Takes all types, doesn't it? He used to be like an entertainment reporter as well. I don't understand. I'm not going to...
Starting point is 00:51:36 Let's not get into it. No, please don't. You know what, though? I don't think it's... It's not doing super well this weekend. We're recording this, what, on Sunday so the official numbers aren't in yet. It's not doing super well this weekend we're recording this what on Sunday so the official numbers aren't in yet it's not doing super well so it could very well dread
Starting point is 00:51:48 speaking of I think dread is a better Robocop movie than than Robocop than Robocop the new Robocop interesting
Starting point is 00:51:54 go with the helmet guns violence guns explosions gets shot in the chest he gets shot through the stomach and it doesn't bother him that much
Starting point is 00:52:03 not to say they're on par, I enjoyed them both equally. Really? Yeah. I see, I thought Dread was a much better film. Okay. I was... In terms of what, action or...? In terms of everything.
Starting point is 00:52:12 Okay. Yeah, action I guess, I think it does more with the budget it's got and... Not that I disliked Robocop, I didn't buy any stretch, but I think it's, if anything, and I know we don't give this rating, to me it was just okay. Well, that's not what we do here, is it? You know that. You know that better than anyone. Wow.
Starting point is 00:52:31 That I'd have to say, even though I did enjoy a lot of it, I'd have to say worst movie ever. Huh. I'm going to go with best movie ever. That's right. That's a real conflict here. The room is divided. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:40 But again, I did not hate it. But again, we did see it for free. Well, I did it. You did it, yeah. I gave you the tickets. You son of a bitch. Yeah. That's alright. One last question. Yeah. But again, I did not pay. But again, we did see it for free. Well, I did it. You did it, yeah. I gave you the tickets. You son of a bitch. Yeah. That's alright.
Starting point is 00:52:48 One last question. Yes. We talked about the new suit. Uh-huh. Do you prefer, you know, at the end he reverts back to the silver suit? Uh-huh. Do you prefer the silver suit or the black suit? Well, he started as a blue suit.
Starting point is 00:52:56 He starts as the Robocop 2, it's got a blue tint to it. No, no, I'm talking about the start of the new movie. It's blue. When he's first Robocop'd, it's blue. Oh, really? Oh, okay. It's a very light blue's first Robocopped, it's blue. Oh, really? Oh, okay. It's a very white coat of tint. Yeah, okay.
Starting point is 00:53:07 And then it's black, and then he goes to silver at the end, which I preferred. You noticed everything. Yeah, I think it looked really good. Cool, okay. The black little two military-esque didn't classically Robocop his silver, and I liked that. Yeah. I mean, the black works for what it is.
Starting point is 00:53:21 I kind of hoped at the end he would get a civilian mode. Okay. I think that it's probably too it was too much to ask for. Like a draw, like a t-shirt. Yeah, like a t-shirt. Yeah. No, but like, just like in a, I don't know. It's a regular outfit.
Starting point is 00:53:32 Like kind of humanoid looking. Sure. Yeah. Okay, yeah. It was too much to ask, but I, you know, that's all right. That's not a bad idea. Silver one was good too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:40 Yeah. It's kind of, it's kind of also sad at the end where he doesn't. We don't see any interaction with his family no that's it I mean he's just he's stuck he's essentially he's trapped as this thing which he doesn't particularly like being I mean he does it because he's got a sense of duty but he doesn't like who he is
Starting point is 00:53:56 so much but then he got to hang out with his wife and kid again what did you think of the kid annoying or not annoying not enough for me to make an opinion I thought he was ok Abby Cornoying or not annoying? Not even enough for me to make an opinion. Yeah, fair enough. I thought he was okay. Abby Cornish. Annoying or not annoying? No, she was good.
Starting point is 00:54:08 She was fine, yeah. Yeah. Greatest Australian actor. Risk. For now. You just wait, Cornish. We'll turn on you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:17 Like we turn on everyone. I think that's about it. Was there anything else we want to say about Robot Cop? Chances are there probably won't be another one, I'd say. As much as I'd like to see another one. I'd love to see a Terminator-Robot Cop crossover. That would never ever happen. It could never happen.
Starting point is 00:54:30 Especially, they could do it with the 80s one. New version, no chance. Yeah, you're right. Not a chance in the world. Yeah. Get Peter Weller back? No, not a chance in the world. Couldn't get him in that suit.
Starting point is 00:54:41 No. Yeah. Alright. But yeah, totally worth a watch. Yeah, I agree. Completely worth a watch. See it at cinemas. Oh, wait.
Starting point is 00:54:48 But you say see it at the cinemas. I say see it at the cinemas, yes. Alright, cool. If you want a sequel. Yeah, good point. Yeah, see it at the cinema. I would much rather see a sequel to Dread than I would this. Well, that's never going to happen, is it?
Starting point is 00:54:58 No. Just fan films at this point. Oh, speak of the... Talk about a fan film that you saw. The Robocop remake. Oh, okay, yeah. So basically, I showed Mason this just before we podcasted. There was a fan film called Our Robocop Remake, where 55 different filmmakers went and remade
Starting point is 00:55:11 Robocop scene for scene. They each did a scene each. Some are animated, some is just Robocop in like a tinfoil hat, and it's, some comedians and stuff are well known, some not so well known. But there's one scene in particular, it's called, it's scene 27. If you look up our Robocop remake The producer is Fatal Farm. Which I guess is some sort of special effects house
Starting point is 00:55:30 or production team. It's the scene where Robocop shoots a guy's balls through all his dress. He shoots a potential rapist through the balls. Yeah. Everybody remembers that scene. They know the scene. And it looks like a Robocop film. I thought for a second that it was.
Starting point is 00:55:45 Like, what are they going to do with this? That is different because it's clearly just that. Yeah. It looks like the actual same thing. The suit's dead on and the lighting and the scene and whatever, whatever. But it's basically... Don't spoil it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:55:56 It's not for the faint of heart. Let's put it that way. It's quite off-putting at parts. Yeah, yeah. But it's pretty fucking funny. Check that out on YouTube. If you're young, maybe don't watch it.
Starting point is 00:56:11 Our 14-year-old listener, now watch it. Who's going to stop you, hey? Not us. So there you go. Check that out. Mason, we were talking about adding a new segment. It's called, I put it here, What We Gonna Read, What We Reading.
Starting point is 00:56:30 You've written that on crayon. I sure have. On your iPad, which is weird. I know, right? It's basically where I thought we could briefly talk about during an episode something that we're reading or something that we're planning to read. Maybe at the end of the episode.
Starting point is 00:56:41 Sure. Is this the end of the episode? It's close enough. Oh, you know what? Read or we could watch. Yeah, it's anything. It's anything that we're into. This is so vague, but I love it. I love how vague it is. Well, I'm about to read,
Starting point is 00:56:53 because I've heard really good things about sex criminals. Okay. Which is... This is a gang of your mates you hang out with. Yeah, that's right. We're all starting a club. It's a Matt Fraction series. It's ongoing. It started, I think, in September or October or something like that. And it's basically a man and a woman meet.
Starting point is 00:57:13 They become a happy couple and discover that when they have sex, they can stop time. And they use it to get up to some shenanigans. But then, you know, they've got to use it for good. Or evil, who's to say? But, yeah, people have recommended that for me. Sex criminals. Sex criminals, yeah. I'll check it out.
Starting point is 00:57:27 I also read, I have been reading, I don't know why it's a theme now, but there's an ongoing series, it's just called Sex. I don't know why this... What is happening with you? But anyway, the point is, it's basically,
Starting point is 00:57:38 it's a drama, but it's basically, it's about like a Batman-esque character who's like, he's done with a Batman-esque character who's like he's done with crime fighting, he's retired from crime fighting and he's returned to the city where he did all his crime fighting. He had to leave because of some sort of unspecified tragedy
Starting point is 00:57:53 and he's returned but now he's just trying to live a normal life. He's incredibly sexually repressed because he spent his whole life as a superhero he had to put a lot of things on hold and now he's like really... Can he still superhero occasionally? He hasn't so far, but I'm only a few issues in.
Starting point is 00:58:09 But that's actually really good. Is he like 45, 50-ish? Yeah, like 40s, in his 40s maybe. Okay, so it sounds kind of like what sort of Owlman... Yeah, I guess so, yeah. In The Watchmen. Yeah. Because he's impotent.
Starting point is 00:58:20 Night Owl, sorry. I'm thinking Owlman, because we talked a lot about Owlman last week. Did you notice? Yeah, I did notice. We also spoke about briefly last week how Batman doesn't have a counterpart, which is like the evil Batman, which is true. The closest thing I can think of, though, but it's not from that universe, is Mark Millar's nemesis.
Starting point is 00:58:34 Right, evil Batman. Yeah, he's basically evil Batman. Not from the same universe they'll never meet, but essentially he has the resources and the mind of Batman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But let's sort of bring that up briefly. A lot of people don't like that comic. I think it's pretty good.
Starting point is 00:58:46 It's not his best work. I think it might be his best work. It's his best work. Yeah, yeah. See, there we go. What you read and done read and watch, man. Well, I just read this. A few people recommended this to me.
Starting point is 00:58:57 It's Issues 40 and 41 of Adventures of Superman. You remember with Max Landis? Yes. We talk about this all the time. Director Max Landis. Oh, yeah. He wrote Chronicle and whatever. And he's got this amazing video,
Starting point is 00:59:10 which I've talked about before, where DC asked him to do a new Death of Superman arc as a standalone thing. Right. And then he did this whole thing. And he tells the whole story. You can see it online on his YouTube channel. I think it's called Up to My Knees or something like that.
Starting point is 00:59:22 It's his YouTube channel. But anyway, he's been given this chance to write this couple of Superman comics and it's issues 40 and 41. And all it is, is Superman and the Joker standing on top of a building in Metropolis. Jokers come to Metropolis and they're having an out, not physically, but with words. And it's basically deconstructing the psychology of each other and it's just them trading insults. It's one of those ones where you can really see the voice of the writer in it, possibly to its detriment at times.
Starting point is 00:59:53 But it's really interesting the way that the things that they say to each other are the things that the general public sometimes says about those particular characters. Like Superman is, what's his deal? He's got no edge to him and whatever. And the Joker's this specific kind of lunatic, but he has no, I don't know, he's not anything. He's a shell of a man.
Starting point is 01:00:11 Right, right. And he's just looking for attention and whatever. It's literally them standing on top of a building for two issues. Yeah. But it's definitely worth a read if you're interested in those kind of stories. Talking about Superman standing on top of a building stories, I've just thought of this one. Did you ever read Hitman? Which was that?
Starting point is 01:00:26 It was from the mid-90s. Oh, no, late 90s. Oh, yeah, I saw the movie. No, wrong, wrong. I really wish they would do a movie adaptation, but they're going to have to change the name, honestly. They could call it Avatar The Last Airbender. That'd work.
Starting point is 01:00:41 But Hitman was about this guy Tommy Monaghan, who was a hitman. And basically he's bitten by a giant space bug and he gains x-ray vision and telepathy cool because that was the 90s
Starting point is 01:00:52 and sure was basically he remains a hitman with a heart of gold but now he just he just goes after like super criminals and stuff like that
Starting point is 01:00:59 cool and it was a really good series by Garth Ennis who also did Preacher and a lot of other really great stuff Preacher TV series coming did you ever watch it yeah I did Preacher, and a lot of other really great stuff. Preacher TV series coming, did you remember that? Yeah, I did, yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:07 But anyway, that's a really good series. I think if you haven't if people haven't gone back to the 90s and early 2000s to read some of that stuff, you should get into it. But issue 34, and I don't normally remember the issue numbers of anything, but issue 34, I think it won the Eisner Award. And it's called Of The I Sing,
Starting point is 01:01:24 and basically Tommy is hanging out in Gotham City where he lives. He's just on a rooftop. And he runs into Superman, who's also on a rooftop. And Superman's come down to Earth because he's just had a traumatic experience. And he's not sure what to think about anymore. And they just have a conversation on a rooftop. And it's really, really great. All right. Hitman 34. Hitman 34. And it's really, really great. All right.
Starting point is 01:01:45 Hitman 34. Hitman 34. Adventures of Superman 40 and 41. Hitman 34. Get it. Done. Yeah. And also that other thing you said at the start.
Starting point is 01:01:52 Sex criminals. Sex criminals and sex. And just sex. Yeah. Yeah. Just get sex, guys. It's great. Happy Valentine's Day.
Starting point is 01:01:59 Happy Valentine's Day, everybody. All right, Mason. We did a shout out last week. Yes. We got a lot of requests for shout outs this week. Lovers. Possibly too many. No. Never too a lot of requests for shout outs this week. Love us. Possibly too many. No,
Starting point is 01:02:06 never too many. I'm going to go through them. First of all, remember I said shout out Courtney Heck last week? Yes. And I said, great guy. Thanks for emailing in.
Starting point is 01:02:14 For some reason, I assumed, and I don't know why you didn't stop me, that he was a guy. Yeah, I wondered that as well. A, you're an idiot.
Starting point is 01:02:22 I assumed you would have checked that. You didn't check the profile picture or anything like that? No profile picture. Ah, well. But there was nothing to indicate unless she did and I missed it.
Starting point is 01:02:31 Yeah. Because I can't read as we've established. We know that, yeah. But yeah, so I apologise for that. And all, she showed all her friends and
Starting point is 01:02:38 they all went, they all said to her, you're a nerd or whatever. But I say, all your friends are dickheads. Get new friends. That's right. See, you know, there are dickheads. There we go. Get new friends. That's right.
Starting point is 01:02:45 See, you know, there are guys named Courtney. I know. Courtney Vance, from Law and Order. Bryce Courtney, the writer. Not a thing. What do you mean he's not a thing? No, I can see it. He is, but his last name's Courtney, not the first name.
Starting point is 01:02:56 So yeah, I apologise, Courtney, for that. But he got two shout-outs out of it. Ha ha, you nerd. Okay, Trey White is a young guy, teenage dude. Don't make that assumption. He did. He gave his age. That's all right.
Starting point is 01:03:09 But he said he's having a bit of a rough time with his family at the moment. Come on. I'm not sure what the specific thing is, but I hope he gets through it. He'll get through that. That's going to be great. He's also starting his own podcast, so good luck on that. Any advice for starting a podcast? What did you do?
Starting point is 01:03:24 Get somebody who knows what they're doing to just ask you to be on it. And then just show up unprepared every week. I believe in you. If I can do it, you can do it. Because I'm an idiot. God, we're good at this, aren't we? You're so good. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:38 My advice would be you just got to start it. Yeah. Because we talked about this for like five, six years. Right, yeah. And we just didn't do it. I mean, it helps for us because we've got the platform at Comic Book Movie or whatever. But start a YouTube channel, get a Twitter, get everybody you know to listen to it, to pass around or whatever.
Starting point is 01:03:54 That would be my advice. And, you know, if your family get in your way, just murder them. That's what you did. That's what I did. I hope things work out for your trade. Yes. Thank you for emailing. Jack Sheen. I believe Jack Sheen's from Ireland. He's what I did. I hope things work out for you, Trey. Yes. Thank you for emailing. Jack Sheehan.
Starting point is 01:04:06 I believe Jack Sheehan's from Ireland. He's having lip surgery this week. No, not this week. I think it's coming up. I think you said the 21st. I can't remember. But it's coming up, and I wish him best of luck. It's only minor surgery, but sometimes these things go bad, Mason.
Starting point is 01:04:19 Don't say that. Wow. No, it'll be fine. Sometimes you go in for minor lip surgery, you wake up, you're just a head and a hand when you wake up. How did that happen? That's it. Anyway, when you get out of lip surgery, a good way they tell us to recover from that,
Starting point is 01:04:34 start a podcast. Get somebody who knows what they're doing to ask you to be on a podcast, and then you're set. Next up, we have Aaron Mitton, who's written into the show before. He's contacted us before, I believe. Which is good because he's just a Mitten. And it's hard to type if you're a Mitten. He's just a Mitten.
Starting point is 01:04:50 No fingers. No fingers. Flopping around. He's having his third baby. Wow, congratulations. I know, right? Yeah. His parents don't even know
Starting point is 01:04:58 and he told us first. Yeah. Good for us. There we go. Yeah. So he said that they'll never listen to the show so they won't know. Which is true. But I say make them listen. And call your. There we go. Yeah. So he said that they'll never listen to the show, so they won't know, which is true. But I say make them listen.
Starting point is 01:05:07 And call your first child Mason Sunday. Well, that's funny that you should say that, because he said name suggestions. He said James Mason. Oh. Yeah. Or Mason James. Yeah. What do you think?
Starting point is 01:05:16 James Mason works. James Mason? Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What about Ace Shootgun? Oh, Ace Shootgun would work, yeah. How about Kal-El Cage? Okay, good.
Starting point is 01:05:27 Patrick Thompson. He starts uni on the 33rd of March and he wants a shout out to say good luck. Good luck, mate. I mean, uni, I mean, coming from two people who are, we're very well educated. We're both university gentlemen, aren't we? Correct, yes. It's the easiest time of your life. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:05:44 Just sleep in do the work that you have to do that do all that don't get kicked out don't get kicked out don't get anyone pregnant
Starting point is 01:05:51 yeah unless you're going to have three kids in which case congratulations Chris Finn and his girlfriend Nicole
Starting point is 01:05:59 want us to label them best couple ever are you comfortable with that yeah alright then done know nothing about them.
Starting point is 01:06:05 Yeah. I love it. Good on them. He forces his girlfriend to listen to this show. If you could tell us what specifically she doesn't like in pop culture, and we can just talk about that. That's right, yeah. Next week will be great.
Starting point is 01:06:19 We'll read up on it, and then we'll talk about it. He's having the worst... He says it's winter in Boston at the moment. He's calling it the worst winter ever. So I feel for him, only because it's really hot here. We had four days of really hot weather over here. It's been so hot.
Starting point is 01:06:32 Yeah. Great weather today, though. It's just right, isn't it? Just right. Yeah. Good luck with your snow plows. Absolutely. And your shovels.
Starting point is 01:06:40 And your salting your driveway. That's something people do in cold weather, right? It probably is. The salt on the driveway, yeah. I think I've seen snow twice. No, I think... No, twice in Australia. I've seen it a couple of times overseas.
Starting point is 01:06:52 Do you know why I climbed Kilimanjaro, Mason? Did you know that? That's a lie. I have! No. You know I did! It's a really high mountain. You couldn't have done that.
Starting point is 01:06:59 Fuck you. I have. Anyway. It's shit, by the way. Don't do it. It takes forever. Yeah. No, it's alright. Well, that's shit, by the way. Don't do it. It takes forever. Yeah. No, it's alright.
Starting point is 01:07:06 Well, that's the podcast for this week, Mason. Remember, harass Benjamin McKenzie. Absolutely. Hashtag. McKenzie mustache. Ask him if he's going to have a mustache. At MrSundayMoviesMe into it. If you could.
Starting point is 01:07:19 Or rate us on iTunes. Or do both. But the priority is McKenzie mustache. Hashtag that. Where can they find you, Mason? They can find me on Twitter at WikipediaBrown. Find him there. or do both but the priority is Mackenzie Mustache hashtag that where can they find you Mason on Twitter they can find me on Twitter at
Starting point is 01:07:28 Wikipedia Brown find him there yeah please do find him in real life one day I'll tweet a thing that isn't just at somebody there's a guy
Starting point is 01:07:34 and I can't remember who it is but he still wants to reply to when he wrote to you Robot Cop I saw a comment when he goes
Starting point is 01:07:39 why won't he say anything back oh okay I'll say something back say something back to that guy because he's hanging out okay cool
Starting point is 01:07:43 you can find me on MrSciNoMovies. I said that. You can also find us at Weekly Planet Pod on Twitter, Facebook and Gmail. Send us an email.
Starting point is 01:07:51 Send us some ideas. We'll be getting some good show ideas this week, Mason. Love it. We've got one coming up next week though, don't we?
Starting point is 01:07:56 Do we? A show, yes. Another one. Oh, we do have a show, yes. It's the definition of the show. What do you want
Starting point is 01:08:00 to talk about next week? What you reading? Yeah, what I reading. We could do. A few people sent this to me. I can't remember who exactly. I can bring it up in a second.
Starting point is 01:08:10 Here we go. Jack Sheehan. I've got a list here. When people send me an idea, if they're the first person to do it, I write down the idea and their name so I can credit them. Jack Sheehan. You sent them out of metal? Yes.
Starting point is 01:08:19 Good. We could do a few of these, but Jack Sheehan said comics we'd like to see adapted into movies. Okay, yeah. We could probably do that, maybe next week. We're going to talk Guardians of the Galaxy, aren't we? Absolutely. Maybe I could Guardians of the Galaxy research, or we could research together.
Starting point is 01:08:32 Go to the library. And we could talk about that next week, because we've got the trailer coming out. I'll see what I can do, but I don't know. I don't know if that's going to be a wealth of... There's some stuff from the 70s, stuff from the 90s. Sure, and the recent-ish stuff. Yeah, I guess. Some of that early stuff's going to be a tough read.
Starting point is 01:08:47 There's a character in the 90s Guardian of the Galaxy called Taserface. Is it what? He's a villain. Is it what he... No, he doesn't have a taser in his face. No, that's just his name. I don't know what the deal is there. Okay.
Starting point is 01:09:00 There we go. I think the writer's kid named him or something like that. Oh, okay. Well, that makes sense comics are fun anyway tough read we'll see what we do next week it'll be a surprise it sure will
Starting point is 01:09:10 thanks everybody have a wonderful week bye

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