The Weekly Planet - 231 Essential MCU Films
Episode Date: April 23, 2018Hello and welcome to the podcast!This week we’re talking the essential and best of in terms of the Marvel Cinematic Universe just before Infinity War.We also get into news of Triple X 4, Deadpool 2 ...gets a final trailer, Masters Of The Unvierse, another Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom, James Cameron doesn’t like Marvel films, Spielberg to direct a comic book film, Star Wars Episode 9 casting, MASK as a movie and Avengers Infinity War opning weekend. Thanks for listening!0:00 The start of the show5:38 Allison Mack is terrible6:57 Triple X 49:51 Deadpool 2 Final trailer14:23 New directors for Masters Of The Universe21:16 Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom trailer 324:48 James Cameron hate Marvel films probably29:13 Spielberg Blackhawks film30:56 Star Wars Episode 9 casting34:34 MASK is being a movie37:29 Infinity War, biggest opening ever?43:06 ALL MARVEL FILMS FOREVER!1:25:23 What We Reading/What We Gonna Read1:30:12 Letters It’s Time For LettersBuy The Avengers Collection on Amazon: https://amzn.to/2IxcLzeThe Weekly Planet YouTube Channel: https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHFind out T-Shirts here: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows.
My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday.
With me as always is my co-host, Nick Mason.
I got home at 6am this morning.
You think you're pretty cool, don't you?
Yeah, I'm a cool guy.
You're the number one party boy.
We all know that.
That's what they tell me.
But.
No one's ever told me that.
I bet they have.
Is your rock and roll lifestyle catching up with you?
Yeah.
Look at the bags under these eyes.
No, they were always there.
Yeah, I look for it.
Oh, come on.
I thought that was going to be a compliment and it wasn't.
No, you look great.
No, they're always there.
Well, you do look great for somebody who's had
like four hours sleep.
Thank you.
And you have to do an episode
on every Marvel movie.
Oh, yeah.
Well, they're all in here.
They're ingrained into my brain.
They've taken the space
of everything,
everything else.
That's right.
Memories of loved ones.
That's lucky, isn't it?
Important phone numbers.
It's just Marvel movies.
Who remembers phone numbers?
I remember the phone numbers
of kids I went to school with in primary school.
Like their home phone numbers?
Wow, okay.
So if you want to chat with their mum or dad at any moment.
Presuming anybody's still there or alive.
Yeah.
All right, Mason, we've got our charity campaign kicking off this week.
We do.
Well, it's already been kicking off, but this is when we kick it off.
The Weekly Planet gives back after a year of taking and taking and taking.
That's right. So the idea is the first year we did... when we kick it off the weekly planet gives back after a year of taking and taking and taking right
so the idea is uh the first year we did something didn't we we sure did but the second year we did
men's mental health through movember that's right uh we raised forty thousand dollars which was
crazy good crazy and this year we're looking at care australia which is it's not it's an
australian organization but it's actually a, it helps benefits globally.
That's right.
So your money's not going
to just Australians
because who would want that?
No.
We're only going to spend it
on beer and durries, aren't we?
That's it, exactly.
So the idea is,
this campaign,
it's specifically
for empowering women and girls
through four key criteria.
I bet you don't even know
what those four things are.
I don't,
but I've got them written down.
Okay, good. Here we go. Education education so caring for a lifetime of learning health water and sanitation
for supporting healthy lives you'd be shocked that how many people don't have clean water or
maybe you don't i think that statistic is quite well known it's it's not a lot of people uh food
security in terms of uh aiming to end hunger and emergency crisis support.
So caring for families in emergencies.
A lot of the money will go towards the Syrian refugee campaign.
It's not a campaign.
What's the word?
Crisis.
That's a better word for that.
Yeah.
And the idea is by supporting women and girls, you're boosting everybody.
The same way we did Movember, you support men, you raise everybody up.
That's the idea.
But you don't just have to donate, Mason.
Okay.
I mean, you can donate.
Okay.
I've linked the page below.
It says here our goal is $100,000.
That's probably not going to happen.
That's going to look ridiculous at the end when we don't do that.
But we'd be great to do.
Did you just not look at the keyboard and just type numbers until one came up?
This is all Claire sorting this out.
So yeah, like she did last year.
She's killing it.
That is bold, but maybe we can do it.
But the idea is when you donate, you get the opportunity to ask a question.
And like last year, me and Mason will do a Q&A together just for people who donated.
We will answer up to 100,000 questions.
Correct. That's right.
And also, I think I said this in my Facebook Live Q&A thing.
Knox did one last week, by the way. Yeah, that's right. I also, I think I said this in my Facebook Live Q&A thing. Knox did one last week, by the way.
Yeah, that's right.
Check that out.
That we might do a little tour.
Like we might be like, hey, this is where we sit.
Oh, nice.
I mean, it's not going to be very exciting.
But if you want to see that.
It's certainly not going to be long.
No.
Well, maybe I'll share the space where we're going to have a new studio at some point.
Okay, great.
Yeah.
Maybe I can show where we sleep.
Yeah, the inside of your car.
That's right.
What do you want to see?
You want to see a car
that's got Sultanas
all over the floor?
I can show you that.
You want to look
in a medicine cabinet?
What are the Sundays taken?
We'll tell you.
We'll show you.
Don't even worry about it.
That's it.
Now, this is only available
to people who donate
the bonus stuff.
And we're not the only ones
doing bonus stuff.
I know Tofop are going
to do a bonus thing.
Any of the podcasts are welcome to, you welcome to throw up an extra bit of content.
It might be a bonus episode or something they've already got on Bandcamp that they want to put up.
So there'll be a bunch of stuff that you can see for free by donating. If we get to 100,000, if we don't, everything gets burnt down. Just to clarify. Yeah, I've made that comment.
So we'll do a video where we go through all your stuff and burn it down individually.
Wow.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, this is the stakes are high for this one.
I eat everything in my medicine cabinet and then we burn everything down.
Wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
But that's linked below.
It's done really well the past two years.
Yes.
And we'd love to kind of keep that going.
All thanks to the wickily or wackity-doos.
Absolutely it is.
It's through people like you.
Not you, Mason.
Ah. People like the dog like the dog and the people listening
yeah
so that's
very exciting
me too
wait
I thought you said
look
I've been awake
a very short amount of
I was awake for a very
long amount of time
then there was a brief
moment of blackness
and now I'm awake again
so
that's me everyday baby yeah but you probably had a few
bevvies am i right i've had a couple of bevvies that seems a couple of cheeky bevs yeah so again
all that's linked below it's going to be running for a few months i'd imagine uh get in while you
can i will good mason hello speaking of supporting women and girls, but the opposite of that. Yes. Alison Mack, who starred in the TV series Smallville.
Smallville as Chloe.
That's right.
Yes.
Your favorite show and character.
Disagree on all counts.
She recruited women, it seems, to be in a female mentorship group, which turned out
to be a cult run by some fucking piece of shit.
You're putting quote marks
around there but i don't think that's what the article says no it's not uh the victims were
exploited but sexually and for their labor uh to the defendant's benefit so yeah don't do that
obviously what are you doing that for yeah i'm glad your boyfriend jimmy olsen died quite frankly
what is that's madness right absolutely it is i, it's not the weirdest thing that's come out of Hollywood,
but it's not entirely shocking.
Is it the worst thing that's come out of Smallville?
Yes.
I agree.
Yeah.
Michael Rosenbaum's got a great podcast.
That's true.
I mean, the ending's not great, but the ending is better than this.
Yes, for sure.
Yes.
I mean, it seems like a pyramid scheme of just exploiting women
is what kind of happened here,
and she was used as kind of a recruitment person.
Anyway, that's terrible.
And she's a terrible person.
Yeah.
And everybody involved in that is obviously terrible.
So fuck all you.
I hope you all go to jail for a very long time.
Bloody hell.
Yeah.
Do you want some better news, Mason?
You could, yeah.
I mean, it's only better by comparison.
I wouldn't necessarily call this good news.
Oh, it's just news.
You know what?
It is good news. All, it's just news. You know what? It is good news.
All right, we'll see.
It was announced that the collective, the H Collective and Vin Diesel's studio, production
studio, One Race Films have...
I'm sorry.
No, that's been mentioned before, but it is called One Race Films.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
And the race is Swathe Egg.
Okay, I was going to say.
That's the race.
Because he seems like he's multi-ethnic.
Yes, exactly.
Maybe that's what it is.
Maybe that's what it is, yeah.
They've acquired the rights to the XXX film franchise
from Revolution Studios.
So later this year, XXX4 is going to go into production.
They should call it 4X like the beer.
Yeah, absolutely.
They should, yeah.
But to be honest, I'm very excited for this. Me too. 4 is going to go into production they should call it 4x like the beer yeah absolutely yeah but
to be honest i'm very excited for this me too because the last one was seemingly terrible but
the more i think about it the more i really enjoyed that yeah it's not good no by any metric
no but except by the metric of surprise ice cube cameos correct in which case it is great if you
love a gross coat if you love an egg in a, if you love a weird explosion where a guy jumps out of a plane
and it's got a weird...
I don't know what perspective that is.
Fish-eyed lens as an egg in a vest jumps out of an exploding plane.
If you love Vin Diesel just fighting a bunch of people
in a weird water town.
Remember that?
Sort of.
Just a weird boat town.
He was fighting everybody.
Is that where he skied down the mountain?
Yeah
That was earlier I think
But look it doesn't matter
If you love all those things
That's right
If you love a crack team of specialists
That might include
Somebody who's pretty good at soccer
A DJ
Others probably
If you love a scene right at the start where two men are very obviously killed
by a missile strike like in a way that there's no way they would have survived but at the end
they have survived i think they're dating they seem like they're dating samuel jackson and the
other guy yeah yeah probably it's a very close relationship and they obviously went through some
stuff together yeah maybe i don't know i think they should. Yeah. So that's exciting, isn't it?
Yes.
So if you love garbage films that are quite funny,
that aren't as good as the Fast and Furious films. Who was the villain in that?
Was it Muriel from Muriel's Wedding?
It was, I think, yeah.
But there was probably some henchmen as well.
Some generic henchmen, yeah.
No, wasn't there another guy?
There was an MMA guy.
Yeah, right.
Of course there's an MMA guy.
There's an MMA guy in Muriel for Muriel's wedding.
Tony Collette.
That's it.
Correct.
The MMA thing is like get a guy who used to be in Gladiators.
Yeah, yeah.
Of 2018.
Do you remember Vulcan?
Yeah, I remember Vulcan.
From Australian Gladiators, yes.
From Australian Gladiators, yeah.
Do you want to bring that mic a little closer, Mason?
As if I'd forget Vulcan.
From Australian gladiators.
Anyway, this looks great.
I mean...
Conceptually, it's great.
Yes, correct.
Here's something that I do genuinely think looks great.
There was a new Deadpool trailer, a final trailer.
It's very meta.
They're mentioned in Thanos.
They're mentioned in the dark DC films of the DC universe.
Apparently, all that is not necessarily going to be in the final film.
Yeah, for sure.
Because he's wearing a mask,
so you can just make him say literally anything.
That's true, yeah.
Yeah.
And it reintroduces us to some characters,
Bedlam, Shatterstar, Domino.
I didn't know Domino's powers were luck.
I had no idea.
Yeah, it is, yeah.
Okay.
There's two Marvel characters whose powers are luck.
One's Longshot and the other's Domino.
Okay.
What happens if they get in an elevator together and they punch up?
That's a good question.
I don't know.
But like, there's different levels of luck.
Okay.
So like, if, let's say, like, Domino fell off the side of a building.
Yeah.
She would land, like, she would bounce off the least dangerous part.
Like, she would hit a fire escape and then fall or whatever.
Or like all the angles would work out and she'd hit the ground and be fine.
But Longshot would fall off a building and like a mattress truck would appear.
Right.
And he'd fall into the mattress truck.
Okay.
So he'd win in the elevator.
Probably he would win, yeah.
Yeah, okay.
How is Luck a mutation?
Yeah, I don't know.
A lot of, yeah, I mean one she's like i mean but but you
could say that about most mutant powers like how does somebody how does somebody accidentally
mutate and gain the power to travel through time it's a good point you know yeah it is a good point
i mean i get like reading people's minds because that seems like i guess a natural progression no the only the only realistic
mutation is probably wolverine but even then that's like somebody like somebody yeah it's well
i mean realistically it's somebody with like an extra thumb sure yeah that they get cut off at
birth yes exactly yeah but they still show up at all the mutant meetings yeah that's right whenever
there's an x-men recruitment drive they're like hey um yeah i've i had an extra thought i don't i don't anymore but i mean if you look at
if i'll here's my x-rays you can see a little stub speaking of my the best part of this speaking of
people with no mutant power surprising appearance at the end as of comedian rob delaney yeah
catastrophe fame as just a guy with no powers
who just answered an ad.
I don't know how long
he's going to be in this movie.
I don't know if this is...
I feel like a lot of them
are going to get wiped out.
Yeah, yeah.
But I think maybe he'll make it though.
Oh, maybe, yeah.
Yeah.
I enjoy that a lot.
Yeah.
You're a Rob Delaney fan?
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
And we get the first appearance
of Shatterstar.
Yes.
Looking absolutely ridiculous. Yeah, absolutely.atterstar. Yes. Looking absolutely ridiculous.
Yeah, absolutely.
Pink ponytail.
Yes.
All white.
Costume with the big hockey mask face thing.
So good.
Looks great.
It's my favorite thing.
Weird hook swords.
Yeah, man.
So good.
It's the 90s again.
Sort of.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm not aware of who Bedlam is.
I don't know who Bedlam is.
I mean, I know it's Terry Crews.
So that's good. He's a strong-ish guy. Great. I did a video on who Bedlam is. I don't know who Bedlam is. I mean, I know it's Terry Crews. Yeah. So that's good.
He's like a strong-ish guy.
I did a video on it a while back.
Okay, cool.
You can look it up or just Wikipedia.
I could Wikipedia, yeah.
And listen to me go, this is a character in a movie.
Oh, nails on a chalkboard.
Now I understand.
I like the nod to the X-Men Origins Wolverine where he's trying to block all the bullets.
That was fun, yeah.
And he just gets riddled.
I enjoy that a lot. And there's a bit where he makes C to block all the bullets. That was fun, yeah. And he just gets riddled. I enjoy that a lot.
And there's a bit where he makes Cable look at his balls.
That is true, yeah.
So 100%.
Also, there's a little bit of Cable telekinesis.
He seems to have some.
When he grabs the gun?
Gun out of the gun.
I thought that might have been a metal arm thing.
Oh, maybe.
Sure, it might be magnetic.
Could very well be, yeah.
Does he have telekinesis, telekinesis, or like electronic telekinesis? He has telekinesis, telekinesis. Oh, telekinesis, telekinesis. Yeah have telekinesis, telekinesis, or like electronic telekinesis?
He has telekinesis, telekinesis.
Oh, telekinesis, telekinesis.
Yeah, telekinesis, telekinesis.
I think this is the best trailer they've released.
Of all time?
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, for sure.
Well, we're going to get to some more trailers that might even beat it.
But of the Deadpool 2 trailers, this is my favorite.
This is very good, yeah.
Yeah, it's quite fun and funny.
So high hopes for this, Mason.
It's only out in like two weeks as well.
Who's the...
We also get Megasonic.
Yes.
And who's the other lady, the new lady?
Is it Psylocke?
Oh.
Yeah, it might be Psylocke.
Do we have Psylocke recently?
We had Psylocke in X-Men Apocalypse.
Oh, was it?
Oh, yeah.
She could cut a...
It couldn't be.
It might not be.
No.
Yeah, I also heard that the last X-Men film that's going to be under Fox,
if this deal goes through, which it probably will,
is that X-Men Dark Phoenix or whatever it's called.
Oh, yeah.
And that'll be it.
Right.
Cool.
Fun.
Yes.
I can't wait for that.
End on a high.
That's what I say.
Yeah, exactly.
End on a high or a middling.
Yeah, that's it.
Who's to say?
Yeah.
But no, looks good.
The Knee Brothers. You familiar with them? No. They did 2015... Wait, that's it. Who's to say? Yeah. But no, looks good. The Knee Brothers.
You familiar with them?
No.
They did 2015.
Wait, wait, wait.
Are these just your knees?
Is this a thing?
Is this a bit you're doing?
Are you familiar with the Knee Brothers?
And then you raise your knees above the desk and they've got faces drawn on them.
Yeah, it's got those little smiley faces.
Hello.
One's got a goatee.
Yeah.
Very good.
No, no.
They directed the indie film Band of Robbers in 2015,
which is apparently quite good.
Anyway, they're working on,
they're going to direct Masters of the Universe.
Because Hollywood is all about getting two minor indie directors
and then getting them together to direct a big budget film.
Which worked once.
Which worked one time.
Another time they did it with the Han Solo film and they got fired.
I'm sure there are other examples.
Yeah.
But they put all these in the pipe before that happened.
The Russo brothers knocked it out of the park
and then just like, get some brothers,
get some brothers in, put them all in,
give all the brothers a movie.
The Mario brothers, are they real?
Yeah, get them on the phone.
Get them on the pipeline.
Does that work?
Yeah.
I don't know if it does.
Get them off the pipe. There we go. Make. I don't know if it does. Get them off the pipe.
There we go.
Make them productive members of society again.
Do you think that's going to...
The Smothers Brothers.
What are they again?
Are they comedians?
Give them the movie.
The Blues Brothers.
Which ones are alive?
Get them.
I re-watched the Blues Brothers recently.
Did you like it?
Yes.
It's a good film though, isn't it?
It's good.
Have you watched the sequel?
No.
Yeah.
You should watch it as a follow-up.
I won't.
It's probably an animated series.
You should watch that.
I fired up the... It was on Netflixflix so i fired up the blues brothers and it opens with a scene like a like a helicopter shot of chicago and it's very dark and grim and gritty
and there's like chimneys and fires coming out of the chimneys or whatever and i'm like
i don't remember this bit at all have i got the right movie did you put on blade runner
no this it is the right movie but the version I watched as a kid like 50 times,
clearly I started taping after that.
So I have no memory of that little bit.
I bet your parents cut it out because they didn't think you could handle it.
Fire, because I feared fire as a child.
You feared fire as a child, yeah, absolutely.
Everybody fears fire.
You should.
It's very dangerous.
Anyway, good film.
Good film.
A lot of wanton destruction for no reason.
Sure.
Was it the biggest car crash thing of all time maybe maybe it uh there's a there's a car chase in a
in a mall yeah and there's so much unnecessary smashing like there's there's like the like the
police cars just smash through one entrance of a shop front and then smash straight out of it again
and you're like they clearly could have made that turn yeah the director just wanted to smash up his shop front john landis john landis
he was kind of yeah he was on the up and up until those kids got killed in that horrible accident
oh yeah that jesus and him and spielberg stopped talking and it was a whole thing anyway wikipedia
well it was spielberg's kids that's yeah yeah'll get you. Anyway, those guys, the Nee brothers,
they're directing Masters of the Universe.
Did I say that?
Yeah, you did.
Yeah, you sure did.
I like this.
I like it better than David Goya.
What was their previous movie called?
Band of Robbers.
I haven't seen it.
Okay, right.
Does that contain any fantastical elements?
I don't believe so.
Or special effects?
Yeah, it sounds like a...
Sounds like a...
Sounds like a safety not guaranteed situation.
Sounds like a teeny weeny little heist movie, doesn't it? It certainly does. Yeah, it sounds like a safety not guaranteed situation. Sounds like a teeny weeny little heist movie, doesn't it?
It certainly does.
Yeah, it's got a...
Who's in this movie?
I don't know anybody's in this.
No, that's...
Why not Mason?
Why not get some...
Do you think it's going to get to a point where they might get like a brother and sister
and then maybe three brothers and then just a family director?
Just a family director, yeah.
Wow.
I think, no. has that not happened?
Has there never been like a John Landis, Max Landis?
I'm not specifically, but has there ever been like?
I do know that this, well, this probably isn't happening now,
but Max Landis was going to direct the American Werewolf in London reboot.
Right.
But he's in the toilet at the moment.
For sure.
So you just have to, I'd be surprised if that happens anytime soon.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's very quiet on Twitter the moment. For sure. So you just have to, I'd be surprised if that happens anytime soon. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he's very quiet on Twitter these days.
A whole family.
Then a family of squirrels can direct a movie.
Maybe the secret squirrel reboot that I've always been hoping for.
A family chain of restaurants like a Sizzler.
Yes.
Just go all out, mate.
Masters of the universe though
god remember
remember sizzler
we don't have
sizzler anymore
they took them
off
is there really
oh it's like in
perth or something
something like that
yeah
but just like
there's one pizza
hut left
like an actual
pizza hut
yeah right
you can get pizzas
god i miss it
guys if you have
any positive
if you have any
positive sizzler
experience
recently
just
just or you just take a photo and send it to us
i'd love it if you're going there word of advice don't eat the cheese bread up top because it
fills you up and then you can get less ice cream into you yeah that's true let's expand it's like
eating a mattress it's so true so just be careful yeah somebody get the malibu chicken and report
back to me anyway i bet everything there is the worst oh i'm sure it is yeah i loved it yeah it was like because it was it was presented us to us as like high-end fans
because you know how all australian people love like any any any like wisp of like american
cultures like oh my god this is so good i think that's gone away more a little bit but yeah i
mean we still we're still mad for any time an american celebrity shows up we're like remember that they opened up the burger place here what was it in an outburger in an out
burger people lined up like all morning yeah whatever just calm down yeah like it'll come
here eventually people were bringing back crispy cream donuts from sydney on a plane nursing them
on their lap like it was a child yeah when i was a kid uh there was like, there was one Denny's.
Oh, yeah.
And it was presented as like, this is the greatest American tradition.
It's a Denny's. It was like on the waterfront.
It was like they got the most prime piece of real estate in Melbourne.
Like this amazing waterfront views.
But Denny's in America is just like, it's the cheapest diner imaginable.
I ate there when I was there recently.
Last year wasn't recent, like six months ago in Vegas.
And it was like the only meal I ate for the day because it was so terrible.
And I'm like, this is probably really bad for me.
I'm giving up food.
I'm just going to not pile anything on top of this.
And then a few weeks ago, I got contacted to do the solo campaign for Denny's.
Really?
And I'm like, I can't.
Knowing that it was quite a bit of money, but I was just, I can't. Knowing that it was quite a bit of money,
but I was just, I can't.
I think you're going to say, I went to Denny's
and then I was contacted a few weeks later by Denny's saying,
oh, you might have E. coli.
Yeah, that's right.
But there you go.
It wasn't even to do much.
It was a few like social media posts and whatever.
But I'm like, I can't do it.
A real man of principle.
Not really.
It's just that maybe if i
hadn't have eaten it it could it could have gone very differently yeah wow but uh no i'm i very
vividly remember that that's such a great meal you're doing you're doing their slogan right now
if i didn't eat it it could have gone very differently that's their slogan but some people
love it it's just somebody just somebody looking sad on the toilet, holding a bucket.
If I didn't eat it, it could have gone very differently.
Denny's.
Oh, God.
You better hope they don't offer us more money because I would take it.
Yeah, I know.
Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom has a trailer.
Would you say this is the best trailer they've put out?
I would say no because the whole plot's in it.
It's revealed the whole thing.
And that was the criticism of the first trailer was that it didn't reveal enough.
And this has just gone, okay, all the spoilers, I guess, for the trailer.
They go to the island to rescue dinosaurs, but they're really going to make worse dinosaurs.
And then the dinosaur is loose in a big old house.
And he's got a yellow stripe on him.
Does he?
I think so.
Cool.
Is he a Richmond supporter, Mason?
He's probably a Richmond supporter.
Is he with football?
Not really.
No?
No.
It's a good game.
It's international.
It's more than a game.
It's more than a game.
That's right.
We got here.
So John Hammond's people or whoever runs InGen these days, some snooty fucking highfalutin
guy's going to get chomped in
half yeah yeah something uh or pterodactyl's gonna drop him into a volcano or whatever
but um they realize that raptors follow orders so they want to make a big one i guess they can't
really follow orders though they follow one guy sort of who's been training him for years
and and some like built
a personal relationship and a lot of the time they just do whatever they want anyway yeah
yeah like you know what you know what follows orders completely a bomb just drop a laser guided
bomb on anything that's right or a car you're driving yeah all of these things a knife follows
orders fairly well that's true as long as you don't drop it. Yeah. So I don't know what they, why make it big?
Just maybe start with like a rabbit sized one.
Yeah, for sure.
But don't be like, yeah, let's just make one that's 15 feet tall and see what happens.
Yeah.
God.
Because it's small enough to get through doors still.
What are you doing?
It needs to fight the T-Rex at the end.
Yeah.
Did you see the rapid did like a, like a karate kid style sweep of a guy
with a gun no yeah that happened it's pretty incredible all right yeah this trailer made me
go because i've been defending this movie being like just wait because he's a good director and
we'll see what happens made me go you know what this is you've kind of you've done too much here
is that do you mean in terms of trailer reveal or even too much movie generally?
I will.
Cause it's not his fault.
No,
I know it's not.
Yeah,
you're right.
But they've revealed too much and it just seems a lot like Jurassic Park 2.
Yeah.
Where they just,
they came and got him off the island and I don't know,
weaponized him or whatever,
but this looks like it might actually be leading towards Planet of the X,
but it's the dinosaurs are everywhere. Yeah. Right. I mean, they've got that big one in the ocean. He be leading towards Planet of the X, but the dinosaurs
are everywhere.
Yeah, right.
Wow.
I mean, they've got that big one in the ocean.
He's eating surfers like the Meg, like the movie The Meg.
Like the movie The Meg.
We're all very excited about it.
Is this the year of giant ocean monsters?
Gosh, I hope so.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I don't know, man.
The giant sea sponge movie?
Sure.
Great Barrier Reef comes alive.
Oh, that'd be great.
Because it's dead now
forever
yeah
are they going to
bring that back
it's all bleached now
isn't it
no they can probably
fix it
with what
don't even worry about it
just fix it in post
yeah exactly
yeah
that's fine
some waterproof acrylics
that's what we're going
to fix it with
exactly yeah
I don't know
are you excited for this
yeah kind of
okay
we've got BD Wong
looking very sinister
I love these guys man
I love it
yeah me too
yeah that's what this franchise needed it's the shot in the arm agreed and also we've got bd wong looking very sinister man i love it yeah me too yeah that's
what this this franchise needed it's the shot in the arm agreed and also we've got a little bit of
goldblum yeah i don't think i think he's just gonna do a speech yes start like he's not gonna
be anywhere that near that mansion you'd think he's got a fucked leg as well and if you remember
he's got a cane oh yeah yeah the first movie but yeah goldblum's in everything now you can't
escape him that That's true.
He was in Isle of Dogs, which I saw, actually,
which I might talk about later.
Cool.
Mason, James Cameron is sick of superhero movies and he's sick of you.
Oh, by the way, what?
God.
Yeah, that's what he said.
All right, well, as long as his main focus of rage
is against superhero movies, I'm okay.
I wouldn't say main focus.
I'd say it's equally divided.
Oh, jeez.
You just said the superhero movie one first.
I did.
That's correct correct one of them
had to be uh he said yeah he's hoping that people will start to get avengers fatigue pretty soon
uh he said not that i wonder why that is so we can watch four more avatar movies he says not that i
don't love those movies it's just come on guys there are other stories to tell besides hope
hyper gonadal males without families doing
death defying things for two hours and wrecking cities in the process it's like oi you know what
i mean that sounds an awful that sounds like somebody who doesn't love them yeah watch them
yeah well i wouldn't i mean there's a there's a lot of that like yeah like the bad superhero
movies i would say now to stick to just that yeah right i think there's there's been many examples where they've kind of gone beyond that but do you think it's an avatar thing mason
that he's he's worried that no one's going to see avatar two to seven absolutely apparently
he's likened it to the godfather two or one oh god don't do it it's happening mason no you can't
stop it actually someone put this quote to kevin feige uh and he hadn't seen it and he was like
his reaction was uh he loves the movies and he said that's awesome james cameron loves our movies
that's exciting so way to take a positive spin on it yeah i mean it would be very in that situation
it would be very difficult not to take a shot just to be yeah for sure did you you know we all enjoyed
terminator 6 or whatever the hell that was but But yeah. Do you think there is truth in that, though?
I think there's a danger that could happen.
But for me, every time they announce something that's weird and different or whatever.
Yeah, I mean, obviously there is that danger.
But at the same time, like the last one we got was Black Panther,
which had a bloody society and a look and an aesthetic and a feel that we hadn't seen before in any of the other movies.
So to go, no, they're all, it's just, just bloody go down, old buddy.
And half the heroes in that were women.
That's true.
And if you look at what's coming up, there's Ant-Man and the Wasp, Avengers, obviously, Deadpool 2, and Aquaman.
And they're all kind of offbeat kind of weirder characters
yeah right
but there is also some news on his Terminator sequel
which I am looking forward to
to be fair but he said the Terminator films
are all about artificial intelligence
but I would say we're looking at it differently
than when I first wrote the story in 1992
that was your classic technology
bad smart computers bad
kind of thing nowadays though
it's got much more of a nuanced perspective so it's smart computers bad but oh he's added an
additional word to that and no additional wisdom well the last one it was somebody else somebody
else finished this sentence for me the last one was smart computers bad also Facebook will get you yeah exactly
it was Facebook
will get you
which it is
to be fair
that's not incorrect
yeah
that was so strange
in that movie
when they were like
there's a new system
that's rolling out
it's obviously Skynet
they're like
it's going to link
your contacts
in your phone
to your social media
and that's
we have that
we had it already
yeah
that's true
it's not amazing
at all
yeah I don't know I think they should if they want and that's the thing like the. We had it already. Yeah, that's true. It's not amazing at all. Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think they should, if they want,
and that's the thing, like the whole world was like,
oh, this sounds good.
Let's get on, let's go to Skynet book or whatever.
It's like, why would we have done that?
Like that would only work in a world
where Facebook didn't already exist.
Exactly.
What they should have, what Skynet should have done,
if Skynet were actually smart,
is to go, we won't connect everything. Yeah, exactly. we won't steal your data and they'll be like okay or just
replace mark zuckerberg with the t1000 or whatever yeah just do that yeah but man uh look no one's
looking to forward to avatar some people are i shouldn't say no one but yeah i think this might
be a bit of james cameron is yeah i bet he is but like yeah you can't
rule him out though that's the thing yeah you can't definitively say he's gonna ruin this no
for sure you can't but i but i also think like this this what what he's saying is is from he's
seen a couple of these and it's a guy in a mask yeah and he's fighting crime off the rooftops or
whatever and that's that's his view of it And the view of what is coming out of Marvel Studios
and some other places is much better than that
and more nuanced and whatever.
Exactly.
You should shut up.
Speaking of what's coming up though, Mason.
Hello.
Spielberg is going to produce
and probably direct the DC property Blackhawk.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
What is this?
Well, the Blackhawks uh like a team like a they were
like a world war team of like flyers like like air force like a special that you put up if you're
selling a sofa no i mean it wasn't but it is for the movie that's how they're rebooting it yeah
so they're like it's like a world war two james cameron that's different what do you want that's
right so that's a like a yeah it's like a world War II. See, James Cameron, that's different. What do you want? That's right. So it's like a World War II Air Force fighting force.
Maybe he's going to move them to the modern day.
Maybe they're going to connect them with Wonder Woman.
Sure, yeah.
Maybe they could put Chris Pine in there.
But he exploded.
Put it, doesn't matter.
You're right.
He wakes up in a Blackhawk, in a bloody Blackhawk plane.
Or he's got a twin.
Could have a twin?
I wish I had a twin.
Do you?
Nah.
Do you really need two of me?
No.
No.
Okay, if you did have a twin, would you prefer he was in better shape or worse shape than you?
No, you know what?
I want him to look exactly like I look like.
So then if we look at each other, I'd be like, looking good.
You know what I mean?
Oh, wow.
Okay, wow. It's like having a mirror that you can kick in the ass. like, looking good. You know what I mean? Oh, wow. Okay. It's like having a mirror that you can kick in the ass.
For sure.
You know what I mean?
Yes.
Absolutely.
But Blackhawk sounds like he could be doing an Indiana Jones-esque adventure.
Yeah, I guess so.
I'm not a huge expert on the Blackhawks generally,
but I think maybe the main guy is just called Blackhawk. Johnny Blackhawk. Johnny Blackhawkks generally, but I think maybe there is the main guy
is just called Blackhawk.
Johnny Blackhawk.
Johnny Blackhawk, exactly, yeah.
All right, yeah, it could be Indiana Jones-y.
Yeah.
Could be Dunkerque-y.
It won't be.
It will most certainly not be.
Mason, are you excited for Star Wars Episode IX?
Yes.
All right, then.
Yes.
J.J. Abrams is looking.
Bearing in mind,
very small amount of sleep that I've had.
Okay, good.
Wow, that's a ringing endorsement.
And I do remember seeing a TV in a bar last night and it was running Last Jedi.
Really?
Not the movie, but just like an ad for the DVD.
Cool.
So that's probably...
What, just on loop?
No, just the TV was on.
Okay.
And I just remember seeing it and going, oh, yeah, not bad.
Not bad.
Not bad at all.
Well, J.J. Abrams is looking to cast a 40 to 50-year-old female character to fill the role of somebody called Mara.
Okay.
In a Star Wars film.
You familiar?
Oh, Mara Jade, perhaps.
I mean, they often use code names and whatever,
so there's a very good chance that this will almost certainly not be Mara Jade.
But it could be Mara Jade-esque.
Yeah.
Like an old fling of Luke Skywalker.
Maybe they've got a kid or something.
Yeah, maybe.
Or whatever.
You know, maybe raise their kid.
We're going to bring in that Mason.
Oh, what if they twisted it again?
No, they just don't.
That'd be incredible if J.J. Abrams was just like,
nah, I'm retconning all the retcons.
I don't care.
That would be pretty hilarious.
That would be funny, yeah.
Yeah.
But I prefer they did it, but why not? i do like it when they do something in star wars and everyone gets
upset do you think there would be any narrative value in like in the last one they say hey ray
you knew who your parents were nobody's yeah and then in this one they were like nah it was a fake
out your parents are obi-wan kenobi and luke skywalker you know what i mean together yeah
sure uh no i don't i think it kind of flies in the face of the message of that film which was
you don't have to be a prophecy or from a particular bloodline to be special that was
kind of the point and then to turn around and go well you kind of do you know yeah right i mean
they really should let jedi have children's because you'd think that would work better yeah you'd get more you get more force sensitive children but apparently they just
appear anyway and it also seems to be in flux like yeah for sure because with the arrival of
kyle ren and ray it kind of there was a big spike in force activity or whatever you know what i mean
yeah what's that what's that word well they're probably just tracking in midichlorians right i'd imagine so well they're dirty faith yeah so that's i don't
i think that's also we i don't think we've really seen a 40 to 50 year old female character in a
star wars film who's like a jedi that's true kind of thing so i think it could be interesting yet
like uh what's her name felicity get her what the woman who played felicity kerry russell yeah get
her she's like 35 she's not she's not. She'd be over 40.
Let me check.
All right.
You're bloody all right.
What year did you think Felicity, the movie Felicity,
the TV show Felicity came out?
She's 42.
There you go.
That was close.
Shove it up your butt, Mason.
Wow.
Yeah, gotcha.
Okay, what if Mara Jade is just like,
what if Luke and Mara Jade, they make that canon,
but they got a messy divorce,
and she lives on the other side of that planet?
And they have to go back and figure it out.
Oh, fantastic.
And it's just flash.
We bring back Hamill.
Yeah, of course.
And there's just a lot of domestic antics,
and they're always bugging each other.
You said you were going to stay in.
Yeah, I'd love to see that.
You drained that thing out to stay in. Yeah. I'd love to see that.
Did you find it weird?
You drank that thing and all the green milk
where I wanted some green milk.
I came here just for my glass of green milk
and drank all the green milk.
I think there's probably
too much of an age gap
between Kerry Russell
and Mark Hamill though.
Nobody said it was going to be
Kerry Russell.
I'm just saying.
I said that.
I'm mixing it. Okay, fine. You know'm just saying I said that I'm nixing it
okay fine
you know what I mean
yeah I get it
yeah you need someone
a bit closer to 50
I'd imagine
or who looks closer to 50
like your mum Mason
got her
yeah you got her
yeah thanks
Mason do you love
F. Gary Gray
the director
um
what did he direct
he directed
one of the Fast and Furious
and he directed
the Straight Outta Compton
I believe
which I haven't seen actually
neither have I oh I was going to say ista Compton I believe which I haven't seen actually neither have I
I was going to say
is it good
no
it's not
I don't know
yeah
he did a bunch of other stuff
but he
looks like he's going to be
with Paramount
he's going to be directing
or involved in
the production of
bringing Mask
to the big screen
oh Mask
Mobile Armored Strike Command
yes that one
Command with a K that's right Mobile Arnott's Strike Command. Yes, that one. Command with a K.
That's right, Mobile Arnott's.
Yeah, okay.
So it's Command with a K.
It's Command with a K, yeah.
Okay, I was going to say like Cobra, Kai.
Yes.
So for anybody who can't remember Mask with a K,
for whatever, they decided they would combine two just gimmicks,
one of which was uh that all the
characters wore big mask helmets love it had like superpower stuff love it so they could shoot laser
beams or they could give them super strength or whatever sell a toy or sell a toy precisely yeah
and that really didn't do much in the toy in fact it did nothing great the primary selling point was
that they all had a vehicle that would transform into a cooler vehicle yeah okay so it's like a like a bit better than a sunroof yeah for sure
yeah yeah absolutely like inspect the inspector gadgets car yeah but more even more even more
yes i don't believe that so like a motorcycle would turn into a helicopter how does a motorcycle
turn into a helicopter when it's at home are you enc encased in it? No, it's like one of those gyrocopters.
What if you stood up?
You'd get your head cut off.
But you're wearing a mask.
You're wearing a mask, exactly.
And you would know not to do that because you're a trained professional.
Okay.
In Mobile Armoured Strike Command with a K.
Okay, yeah, great.
Is this something that you're excited about?
I'm not, but I will watch it.
Yeah, well, we have to.
I did like them as a kid.
I had some masks.
It was only short-lived though, wasn't it? I have no idea yeah it's one of those things there might have been 100
episodes there might have been four we had no sense of how much of anything there was true
we might have watched the same four episodes over and over and over again exactly i remember that
remember that show city of gold mysterious cities of gold yes yeah i think i just watched the same
episode a hundred times
I don't think I've seen any more of that show
than that
I remember a boat transformed into another boat
I remember they had a big flying gold eagle
Nice
Someday we will find
the city of gold
Alright stop playing that YouTube video
of the opening to Mysterious Cities of Gold
and let's get back to this
They re-created that recently Yeah they did the new animation All right, stop playing that YouTube video of the opening to Mysterious Cities of Gold and let's get back to this.
They re-created that recently.
Did they?
Yeah, they did the new animation.
There was a Mendoza, do you remember?
No.
There was also, the Masked Horse had like a wild 57 Chevy that turned into a tank.
Great.
It was pretty cool.
Cool.
Was it turret and all?
Yeah, it was like a teal blue with flames down the sides.
That's what you want.
It's wild.
Well, that sounds really good.
I can't wait till they make this.
Same.
Can't wait till they ruin it.
Mason, Avengers Infinity War could very well have the biggest opening of all time.
We'll see.
The Force Awakens got something like $250 million-ish in the US.
Yep.
This could beat that.
It's already sold $50 million worth of tickets in pre-sales, which is a lot.
But I don't think it wouldn't beat its overall,
it wouldn't beat Avatar Titanic because it doesn't have a clear run.
Deadpool's out in two weeks and then Mask and whatever's after that.
I can't remember.
Whatever Spielberg was doing, I don't know.
Something about a newspaper, but the newspaper,
the government's going to get it or whatever.
Or did they already release that one?
There's a newspaper.
Yeah.
I want to be clear about this because I'm a bit addled. So maybe I'm mishearing this, but there's a newspaper yeah i want to be clear about this because i'm a bit addled so maybe sure yeah maybe i'm mishearing this but there's a newspaper correct and the
government's gonna get it yeah yeah because it's doing too much news okay right yeah yeah yeah
uh so that's what the people want they want the news that's what i'm saying i want the maximum
amount of news i agree uh so what do we got here so do you think it's going to beat the force
awakens in terms of opening weekend?
Yes.
I think it could very well.
If it's not, it'll be close, I'd imagine.
I mean, because also it's got an extended weekend.
Well, here it opens on Wednesday.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
Anzac Day, which we can talk about.
Oh, boy.
And I think it might be a bit earlier in other regions as well.
But there was a bit of a bloody uproar here
because one of our morning hosts,
Karl Stefanovic,
all around human man.
Well, I was indifferent towards him before this.
Yeah, right.
I have no opinion about this guy.
Yeah, but he was like,
why are they releasing a movie on Anzac Day?
Everybody should go to a dawn service,
which you can do.
You can do both of those things
you can do both things
also
like we were talking
about before the show
cancel the football
there's always
an Anzac Day match
white people
kicking a football around
I'm going to say
also
I'm going to take
a wild stab in the dark
and say that today's
show is going to be on
the show that he's on
exactly
but no
he's going to be
respectful
unless you're saluting
a statue for
two and a half hours
shut your god damn mouth but I think there is it's a public holiday Exactly. But no, he's going to be respectful. Unless you're saluting a statue for two and a half hours. Yeah, right. Shut your goddamn mouth.
But I think it's a public holiday.
It's a celebration of freedom, do you know what I mean,
and our great nation.
The only acceptable things to do are watch football and sink tinnies.
That's exactly it.
Yeah.
What's the difference if people want to go to a movie?
Anyway.
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So, we thought a good opportunity this week,
in lieu of Avengers Infinity War, Mason,
James Cameron's favourite movie and series.
In preparation for Avengers Infinity War.
We're going to go through all the Marvel films.
Yeah, nice.
Not in huge detail for each one, because there's quite a few of them.
And so each phases, talk a little bit about each one.
Yeah.
And then at the end of each phase, maybe pick a favourite.
Yes.
And at the end, declare an overall winner.
Okay. And the losers get struck from history. wow yeah so that's wow this is official too
that's official feige was on the line earlier he said yeah all right we'll delete them yeah
they're off itunes we're gonna snap all the dvds in half they're coming to your house wow
yeah all right so and should we we should also of the when you say a favorite of each phase
maybe we should say if you've, we've all got about two days
to get completely up to speed on the Marvel Universe
in order to watch Infinity War.
So maybe we should pick one out of each phase
that you should have to watch.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, let's see how many and then...
That changes it.
Have to watch and favorite is different, isn't it?
Well, we'll see how we go.
We'll just have to see how we go.
Maybe we'll forget this
premise about five minutes in but i think like if you if you were like look i haven't seen a lot of
these yeah i would like to i'd like to i'd like to go into infinity war knowing who's who yeah
maybe we should yeah agreed all right here we go phase one 2008 can you believe it mason
it's been 10 years ah 10, 10 beautiful years. Correct.
And it started with Iron Man in 2008,
which really set the tone for the universe in general.
Yeah, it really did.
And also the template for a guy gets a suit and...
Yeah, that's right.
...he fights another guy who's got the same suit.
Really set that origin story, didn't it?
Really set that man and machine versus man and machine...
Correct.
...dichotomy.
What do you think the strength of this movie is?
It's funny.
Aside from...
Yeah, sure.
It's funny. Glasses sure. It's funny.
Glasses.
He's got a cool pair of glasses.
He's got a cool pair of glasses.
They're immediately dated.
They don't assume everybody's an idiot.
Yes.
They assume that people have seen maybe a superhero movie or two in their time.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
They don't have to explain what a superhero is.
No. absolutely yeah they don't have to explain what a superhero is no hey maybe i'll maybe i'll fight
crime and maybe i'll bloody maybe i like the backstory of that he's not a great bloke yes
like a lot of superheroes you know they've they've always kind of wanted to do good and justice and
whatever but he's like i've been terrible for 30 years and i think i'm gonna do a nice thing and by that i mean punch people into walls yes for sure like that yeah solid work now is it essential
i think it is all right yeah i think it's to kick things off it's probably not my
might be my favorite okay to go through the talk to the rest of these first this is a great phase
of look look iron man as far as Iron Man goes,
look, you could bloody call me 90s pop superstar sensation Natalie Imbruglia because I'm already torn about this movie.
Because, I mean, it does set up the universe itself.
It's got your Nick Fury cameo.
Also, without the Nick Fury cameo, it very much stands on its own.
That's true, yeah.
You could just watch this
and it's a good time.
It was also the same year
as The Dark Knight,
which is crazy, right?
Could you watch this one
and then maybe skip
some of the other...
You could skip a lot
of the other Phase 1 movies
I feel.
You could skip Incredible Hulk.
You could skip Iron Man 2.
You could probably skip Thor,
though I like Thor.
And you'd probably want to do
First Avenger, maybe. Because it contains a Tesseract? could probably skip thor though i like thor and you probably want to do first avenger maybe
because it contains a tesseract sure i just like it does the first avenger of the post-credit
sequence he wakes up in the modern era right okay okay i guess we kind of have to keep that one
but it's also kind of establishing the avengers fairly thoroughly who everybody is yep so you don't you could probably just start at the avengers yeah and a lot of people did
because obviously that movie did better than all the other ones yeah that's true but no iron man is
even the way it looks like the suit still looks fantastic i love the design i love the like the
color scheme scheme of it and all that i like how we how he does a cool landing but he doesn't get liquid in his suit when yeah that's true yeah i like the bit where he it and all that. I like how he does a cool landing,
but he doesn't get turned to liquid in his suit when he hits the ground.
Yeah, that's true.
I like the bit where he gets hit by a tank out of the air
and he's got a tank missile.
That's pretty good.
Blows up a tank.
That movie really kicks off when he goes into that war zone.
Yeah.
That's such a great sequence.
And it's fairly simple as well.
There's not much to it.
He's just punching guys and shooting lasers.
Yeah.
But it's just brutal
yeah it's really good nobody is ready for it nobody's really seen anything like this yeah
that is pretty cool yeah all right iron man's in everything else is out oh come on mate i'm gonna
have to think about this what about uh hang on what was where was avengers is that phase one or
is that phase one okay right that's tough isn't it yeah uh the incredible hulk did you i didn't
see this one i think this is the only one I haven't seen at the movies.
I also saw it on DVD.
Yeah.
It's okay.
Yeah, it's fine.
And also, that's inherently confusing because it's Ed Norton.
Yes, it is.
It's not Ruffalo.
Yeah.
It sets up some stuff.
But a lot of people kind of off the back of the history of the Hulk from the TV movies
in the 80s and also the Hulk movie that had been out five years earlier.
People were kind of familiar with this character.
It also sort of works as a sequel to Hulk 2003
because he starts in the jungle or Peru or wherever,
which is where the last one sort of ends up from memory.
But I don't like the design of the Hulk in this at all.
The green's too kind of camo green and the hair and the face.
He's too ripped.
Yes, yeah.
Yeah.
I don't think it's a terrible film, but I think you could skip this one.
For sure.
Yeah.
Can we skip Thor?
Thor, first Thor.
I like Thor, first Thor.
But you could probably skip it.
Yeah, look, we've got two days. Yeah. We can see an absolute maximum of ten of these movies. Thor first Thor I like Thor first Thor but you could probably skip it yeah look
we've got two days
we can see
an absolute maximum
of ten of these movies
alright
it's also weird
that Chris Hemsworth
has dyed
blonde eyebrows in it
oh right yeah
it's very off-putting
because he doesn't
have it in any of the
other ones
but
I think that's a
solid movie though
Thor first Thor
especially because
it's such a stupid premise.
Yes.
But it also introduces Loki.
Yep.
Which maybe you can't skip it because of that.
How sympathetic is he?
How sympathetic are you to Loki in that movie?
I think there's...
Yeah, because at the end he's like, he just wants his father's approval and he doesn't care and he floats off into space.
Because if you just watch the Avengers, he's a real bad guy.
Oh, he's a very bad guy.
He pulls that guy's eye out.
Yeah, he does.
Yeah, he stabs his brother.
Yeah, I mean, he's a real bad guy in that one.
He puts his father in a coma or whatever.
Oh, yeah.
What is his goal in that again?
Just a rule.
Is that the idea?
I think so, yeah.
He's got hair like trinity
from the matrix yeah it's his short loki hair which you're a big fan of no i've got i got a
soft spot for this i mean the last battle is kind of like it just looks like in a town that they
built for the day like it doesn't feel like a real town there's a lot of dutch angles in it
the destroyer's good yeah i think that'll come back into play with like thor will get the
destroyer arm at some point?
Absolutely not.
Well, it's probably Destroyer as well.
Yeah.
Because it was in the vault.
It's in the name.
When it all went up, yeah.
Or did they destroy it in that film?
They did destroy it in that film, yes.
Okay, so it's already destroyed.
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
Okay, I gotcha.
Also, I think it's got a ghost in it, so.
What?
Whose ghost?
Just a ghost.
Just a ghost.
Just a ghost.
I think they should check on whose ghost that is.
Right, uh-huh.
I think they should just put anybody's ghost in it.'s not a robot is it it's magic it's magic
yeah i like the time in that movie where when it turns up colson's there and he's like it's just
like a stark thing what did yeah right what is this that's fun yeah but it also i think it what's
good about that movie it takes away all the god thor stuff so you can make him relatable because otherwise
it's just who is this that's true space monster man and they make him human and then you can kind
of build that stuff back up which is what they've been doing you make him more relatable how old is
that guy you'd have to be like a thousand years old or something like that i thought you meant
chris hemsworth how old is chris hemsworth he's like 35 yeah something like that yeah but uh
yeah i don't know what else about thor anything else about that it's about that not essential would you say
not essential it's good go back maybe it's probably not good comparatively i think it is
i haven't seen it in a while so i can't yeah but i remember really enjoying it yeah which movie
iron man 2 which came out before introduces the hammer
doesn't it
in the post credits?
Yes it does.
Yeah.
Entirely inessential.
Yeah that's a
that movie is all
build up.
Yes for sure.
I think it's got some
cool ideas
but it's mostly just
get ready for the Avengers
in two years
and the Spider-Man's in it.
Oh yeah yeah yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Alright Captain America
first Avenger
should we
I just want to say
for Iron Man 2 the race car scene's great and I love that suit. Yeah that Okay. All right, Captain America, First Avenger. Should we- I just want to say for Iron Man 2-
Oh, yes.
The race car scene's great and I love that suit.
Yeah, that's good.
It's my favorite suit.
Yeah, it's good.
Can it fly that suit?
No, I don't think so.
Yeah, that's cool.
That is cool.
Less features, streamlined.
I love it.
Yeah, yeah.
First Avenger.
Okay.
What are your thoughts on it?
I mean, it's good.
I like it a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you need it?
Probably not, but it might be my favorite.
Yeah, okay. Phase ones. Phase ones. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Do you need it? Probably not, but it might be my favorite. Yeah, okay.
Phase one.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Okay.
It's, I think it does a really good job of establishing the character because that wasn't
a movie I gave a shit about.
No, absolutely not.
I went in with trepidation.
Yeah.
But it's, and that was like, that was the same year as Thor.
That was a good year.
The special effects, like the body transformation stuff is really good.
Like he just looks like a little skinny guy.
That's true, yeah.
It's so good.
But I think it kind of falters a bit in the third act,
but I think it's got a solid ending where he sacrifices himself.
Yeah, true.
It's got stakes and weight and there's consequences.
Yep.
You know, where Tony Stark's just like,
I'm Iron Man, fuck you!
You know, that's pretty much the ending of the first Iron Man.
Yeah.
It's interesting, though, from these early phases,
they kind of, there's no, no one's got an alter ego.
That's true, yeah.
They kind of threw that out the door almost immediately.
I mean, Thor's Thor.
They didn't do any of the Donald Blake shit.
Captain America's Captain America.
Yeah.
Although I believe in Thor,
he is temporarily given the identity of Donald Blake
for a second, for a hot second.
When Hawkeye's introduced.
Yeah.
He goes for a gun,
but then he gets the bow and arrow.
Oh, so good.
Essential.
Essential.
I'm just kidding.
It's not essential.
I don't think it...
I think if you shot Thor in the neck with an arrow,
it would kill him.
As a human man.
Yeah, absolutely.
It would probably kill him, wouldn't it?
Yeah.
Or would he just get all these powers back?
Which is what happened when he got swatted in the head
by the... Oh, yeah. No, he'd'd die he'd absolutely die stakes then mason very good
yeah but you see that's the thing like so captain america introduces the tesseract yeah which is the
first of the infinity stones but i don't think they even really knew no they're doing that that's
true yeah and thor introduced to the infinite and Thor introduced the Infinity Gauntlet
it's not the same one
but
yeah
so what do you think
they were going to do with that
not that initially
no because it did sink
and it didn't disappear right
it sank
yeah
the snow
and they recovered it as well
they recovered it yeah
in that
did they recover it
in Captain America
oh
S.H.I.E.L.D. must have got it
at some point
yeah right
but do we see it emerge
I don't think so
okay right
yeah but they would have been able because it's it gives off gamma radiation and a bunch of other
shit so they would have been able to find a good movie inessential okay i'm gonna say somewhat
essential okay right but i understand the avengers what do you think of that movie that's look if we
could only pick one out of phase one it's probably the one that's the one yeah if you can only see
one yeah brings all the characters togetherings all the characters together. Brings all the characters together. It introduces everybody through context.
Yes.
So you know who's who immediately.
You know who's the boss.
It's Tony Danza.
You know how everybody ranks in relation to each other.
Yeah, right.
You see their first meetings.
You get a sense of their powers.
Yep.
You really don't have to see anything else.
No.
Off the back of it.
That's the only movie you need to see.
Correct.
In your life.
Say what you will about Joss Whedon Mason.
Go for it.
Bad bloke.
Okay.
But he did a good job at kind of bringing those characters together.
And also, this is in a universe where it hadn't really been done before.
In terms of...
It's not a universe.
In terms of movies that hadn't been done before.
Yes, that's true.
Or well.
Is there another movie prior to that where they put a bunch of characters and then put them together?
Just the Viewers' Universe, obviously.
And the Fugitive with the sequel.
Oh, yeah.
US Marshals.
Yeah, US Marshals.
It's to be commended, Mason.
Yes.
Whether or not you like it or not, which you do.
I do like it a lot.
But it's still to be commended, Mason.
Yes.
I think there's a little too much kind of Joss whedon quippy kind of stuff yeah right
love uh-huh but i think if you took some of that out yeah it would feel like a much longer movie
yeah absolutely yeah probably it is a very long movie also yeah uh i love the hulk in that as
well yeah they finally got it right like the look the attitude you can do attitude yes yeah i think
do you prefer ruffalo or Norton?
Do you think Edward Norton would have done a good job?
No.
No?
No, I like Ruffalo.
You just don't think he would have... You don't think it could have been a...
I think he might have been a little too diva-y.
Well, yeah.
Well, that's...
Well, a couple of people got let go.
Yeah.
Him and Don...
Not Don Cheadle.
Don Cheadle replaced him.
Terrence Howard.
Terrence Howard got let go.
I think if he had got hired in the next phase,
that wouldn't have happened.
Right, right, right.
Do you think also because The Hulk didn't do super well as a movie
that they just went, nobody remembers this, we can recast him.
Exactly, yeah.
Who kind of cares?
So the essential one is The Avengers, but would you say...
But what is the best one?
Or your favourite at least?
It's hard to go past The First Iron Man.
Yeah, I think that's still my favourite.
But I'm going to say First Avenger.
I really like it.
All right, good.
I like his muscles, too.
They're good muscles, aren't they?
I'm not ashamed to admit that.
So shiny.
So shiny.
Well, he was sweating in that machine, wasn't he?
Yeah, that's true.
It's like the inner space thing.
Have you ever seen the movie Inner Space?
Yes.
And the bad guy's in his inner space.
Oh, I remember.
It's in a very small space.
Yes.
Inside a man.
So, all in all, phase one, Molto Bernays.
Molto Bernays.
Okay, good.
Phase two is a real mixed bag for me.
It kind of starts off not great, and then it gets really good, and then it's just whatever.
All right, I'm ready.
So the first we had Iron Man 3 in 2013.
Completely inessential.
Yes, I agree.
What does he learn?
That he's still great.
That's correct.
That is what he learns.
Yeah.
Have we started this podcast then?
Maybe we hadn't.
Would have been close to.
I think Thor the Dark World
might have been the first one we did.
Interesting.
No, I just think,
we've talked about this at length.
The character doesn't make sense
in this film.
No, no.
For multiple reasons.
And he gets PTSD
and then he's fine again
then he's fine
because he realises he's great
yeah
because he gets a glue gun
and a glove
and a new pair of suddies
and whatever
there are moments in that film
I really like
the bit where he beats up the guys
as his suit's kind of flying in
okay sure
and he's got like the foot
and the arm
yeah okay right
I like that
but that
I don't understand why
the bit where he gets hit in the nuts
that's pretty funny but I don't understand why. The bit where he gets hit in the nuts. That's pretty funny.
But I don't understand.
There's a lot of weird character choices,
like why he would pick that suit as the one that he likes.
Because if he gets hit hard enough, it just falls off him.
Yeah, correct.
And it happens multiple times.
And it's a movie where he doesn't.
Iron Man 3 is the movie where they decide to just dismantle the character
as a guy who plans ahead and learns from his mistakes
and always has a backup plan or whatever.
And he just becomes a guy that just keeps going into grapple
with the guys he knows can melt his suit down in two seconds.
Exactly.
Which annoyed me to no end the first time I saw that.
And every subsequent time I've seen it.
Sure.
Did you enjoy the introduction of Iron Patriot?
No. Fair enough. Yeah. There wasn't really a point to that, I guess. I saw that and every subsequent time I've seen it sure did you enjoy the introduction of Iron Patriot no fair enough
yeah
there wasn't really a point to that
I guess
I mean he was protecting the president
yeah right
but isn't that also a different
it's a different
yeah it's a different
in the comic books
that's Norman Osborn
the Green Goblin
in his own version of the
no it's a different
it's actually a different suit
from
Iron Man 2
it is physically a different suit
yeah it's a rebuild it's a rebuild
yeah yeah right yeah who rebuilds it uh tony stark okay wait no no wait it's in between iron man 3
and civil war it's a rebuild that's an aim suit right all the technology was all the hammer
technology was taken out of the suit at the end of Iron Man 2.
It doesn't work.
And it was replaced with AimTech.
Right, okay.
Why?
Who knows?
Is that in a comic?
Probably, yeah.
Okay, fair enough.
But I guess the government just goes with the cheapest contractor, and Tony Stark is
not cheap.
No, that's it.
You would have thought he'd just give his friend a suit.
Yeah.
I mean, one with back support and a parachute or whatever.
For sure, yeah.
Who am I to judge?
I think it's an okay film.
It's got some good dialogue and some good character moments, I guess.
But as an Iron Man film, it might be my least favorite Iron Man film.
Whoa.
What a call to make.
And I don't like two.
But I don't really like any of them except for one, to be fair.
Or that character.
I don't like that he doesn't learn anything. He doesn't really get his comeuppance he does later that's why i like civil war yeah
but uh yeah he's just kind of like he gets his girlfriend killed but then she's got firepower
so it's fine yeah guy pierce is the mandarin but who cares yeah but also he's not because
there's a real mandarin i didn't even mind that Mandarin twist. I hated it. That it wasn't,
that it was the Ben Kingsley character.
Yeah.
But I just think
if you're going to have somebody behind it,
have it someone more interesting than Guy Pearce
because he was mean to him
and left him on a route.
That's so true.
I think there's...
So petty.
There's room to make something else there.
But the kid's fine, I guess.
He's got a lot of suits, but it's kind of who cares.
Yeah, exactly.
Just waste them all, why don't you?
Speaking of who cares.
I'm ready.
Thor The Dark World in 2013 also.
Inessential.
Is fine?
Yes.
I don't think it's that bad.
It's just fine.
Is a trend emerging here that the Inessential movies are the ones that contain the Infinity Stones?
I meant the Inessential ones. or the essential the inessential ones but iron man 3 doesn't have
an infinity stone oh i meant no anything i'm sorry i meant more in the sense of anything
with an infinity stone is inessential i don't think so the dark world inessential sure captain
america first avenger You say Inessential.
But then that becomes essential in the Avengers.
Yes.
Yeah.
But what I'm saying is that if these movies are a little bit light on... Fun?
No, if they're a little bit light on gravitas, they're like, we'll put an Infinity Stone here.
Yeah, right.
So figure that.
Yeah, you might be right.
Okay, well, as we continue on, we'll figure this out. Do right yeah you might be right okay well we'll
we'll as we continue on we'll figure this out tornado infinity stone no why not it's boring
yeah it is a bit boring what does it do also don't know gross i was gonna say it opened portals but
it doesn't that was just an event that was happening yeah right the convergence or whatever
oh yeah it was gonna bloody happen i like the the way asgard's more fleshed out true. Yeah, I think they did a lot of more interesting stuff for the designs and whatever.
But the Thor-Jane stuff is completely pointless.
She's gone after this movie.
And I think we've said this about this movie a number of times,
but it's a movie where the entire universe is at stake.
The whole universe is going to come to a grinding halt.
But where is everyone?
And nobody really seems to care. It never feels like there's any stakes at all. The whole universe is going to come to a grinding halt. But where is everyone?
And nobody really seems to care.
It never feels like there's any stakes at all.
Yeah.
Also, we should point out we're not doing one shots, I guess,
or TV series or anything like that.
There's just no time and I'm really tired.
He's really tired.
Yeah.
But no, completely inessential.
But I don't think it's bad.
Yeah.
I think it's okay.
This is a good one.
This might be my favorite one. What else? Captain winter soldier yes is great do you think it's great because there's no infinity
stone they have to write a real story yes sure but it's also the one where they were like okay
we're also feeling this we know there's some fatigue coming up yeah we're gonna do we're
gonna do a little something different and it i wish it wasn't resolved the hydra thing so quickly because off the back of this film it's just like i mean it
affected agents of shield but in the next like in by age of old time they're like we got most of
them yeah that's true yeah but we got gary shandley yeah that's right it's all right we got
him he's dead now we killed him in real life just to be sure but that was a massive deal yes like
to be like everything that you've worked towards
and everybody in government and it's all Hydra.
Even Robert Redford's a Nazi.
Greatest American hero, Robert Redford.
But it's got the best fight scenes.
Yes.
Chris Evans recently released some video.
Did you see this?
No, I don't think I did.
I think it was on his Twitter.
Yeah.
Of just like all the...
Oh, he's got the elevator one?
Yeah, all the on set and all the training videos and stuff like that for the elevator scene.
That's awesome.
That's a great scene.
So that goes to show that you don't need a dragon flying in and everything's exploding
and there's a laser and a woman is a volcano woman or whatever.
Well, that's put pay to my next movie.
So thanks a bunch for that
what a backhand oh what a son of a bitch no i'm saying so passag you know that i was working on
flying dragon laser volcano lady yeah it's true they already made that movie versus sharktopus
i was gonna say well shark boy lava girl that's what it sounds like and chris evans is great he's
a really good Captain America.
Yeah.
He's probably too good, if anything, Mason.
He's too muscular and he's too good at it.
And it's also a black widow film, a lot of it as well.
Yeah, that's true.
I think this is also the era of, let's just roll in some other characters.
These don't have to be just solo films.
We can bring in some.
Well, it's more his story than hers, but she has a real pivotal role in that.
Herstory.
Herstory, yes.
And she gets the USB out of a bloody vending machine.
Oh, that's true, yeah.
How do you get it in there?
I don't know.
How do you get it in there?
I don't know.
I don't know.
No, he probably squeezed the sides of the vending machine and the front came off.
Oh, okay.
It popped out.
It seems like something he could do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But is this movie essential
yes
how so
because I think it's
good character building
yeah
is it though
is it
it is
we have to pick one
okay
we'll leave it till the end
out of this phase
it might not be essential
we've got to pick one movie
out of this phase
that is essential
I think this
it introduces the Winter Soldier
who plays a prominent role
in Civil War
in Civil War
and Infinity War.
So I guess it depends what you're watching.
Yeah.
Because if in Phase 3 you don't pick Civil War as essential, then you wouldn't pick this one.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
My kid's back, Mason.
He's going to run amok.
Causing a ruckus.
He is.
But after that, we got Guardians of the Galaxy.
And I think maybe that's the essential one.
Yeah.
Because it's all space stuff
yep not thor space stuff get rid of that yes but it opens up the cosmic universe yes universe and
we get thanos in a floaty chair correct though he was in it at the end of the avengers remember
he turned to the camera and they were like yep and then they did the same thing in age of ultron inessential yes i think it yeah but i know
what do you think this is a great film guardians yeah yep the two best films are in the middle of
this phase uh-huh this is i remember i think we'd start the podcast at this point i was getting a
bit i don't know if i like these as much right but these two back to back were fantastic is it
essential i think it is.
What makes it essential though?
We get Gamora's backstory.
We get the wider universe implications.
Yeah, right.
We get this is not just happening on Earth.
There is a convergence of sorts that is on is on its way it's rippling
its way across rippling its way yep yeah fair enough yep we get the origin of the infinity
stones also that's true there's literally a bit in it where they go hey there's all these infinity
stones yeah and they're dangerous i think it's also essential because it shows that it doesn't
even feel like a superhero movie in the same way the other ones do what's that dog up to
yeah no farts
those two things oh good excellent but dog what are you doing anyway just leave her a minute see
what she does okay let's just keep an eye on her mate all right okay so yeah all those things i
agree make it make it essential but is it the best one you think it's winter soldier i really like
guardians of the galaxy but it's got
a good soundtrack as well.
Like 20% of that movie
is soundtrack.
Yeah, for sure.
The audio portion?
Yes.
50%.
Wow.
All right.
So, look.
I think we've found
the best one
and the essential one
but maybe
the next couple of movies.
Age of Ultron.
Nah.
It's not that.
I quite like it.
Yeah, right.
I don't think it's that much quite like it yeah right i don't think
it's that much worse than the first avengers but it doesn't do that much interesting no exactly
like they kind of fall apart but not really because they all civil war is the one where
they get torn apart this one they just they band together and they beat up an identical army
yes that's true yeah i thought it was going to be more than that and it's it's not really origin
of the vision that's good that i like a thought it was going to be more than that, and it's not really. Origin of the Vision. That's good.
That I like a lot.
Yes.
Yeah.
But again.
Origin of Claw, played by Andy Serkis.
That's true.
I like that a lot also.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Origin of Quicksilver and Death of a Character for once.
Yeah.
Good.
Who's died prior to this?
No one.
No one important.
Yeah.
Also, he didn't really die but yeah i guess you're right yeah
oh it does have an impact on civil war which is which is oh the sokovia records yeah stop
flying into places and nah but we see that on a television screen so don't worry about it yeah
well this is probably the least essential well maybe not least but Ant-Man is fine and there's fun moments
and there's abs
that's great
that is great
but it's
it's okay
yeah it's just okay
isn't it
yeah
that and Doctor Strange
for me are kind of
maybe Doctor Strange
a little bit more
but yeah
it's fine
yes
do you think
I don't think there's enough
weird shrinky stuff
no
yeah
looks like the new one might be doing more of that stuff.
But yeah, got some good de-aging.
That's true.
That's essential from that perspective.
Yeah.
All right, but I think we've found our best one, Winter Soldier.
Okay.
Most essential, Guardians.
Fair enough.
All right, let's go phase three.
Okay.
Captain America Civil War, off to the races, Mason.
Big bang.
Oh, I thought that was the subtitle captain america civil war off to the races
this is probably the most essential yes i don't know if it's the best one though all right i have
to think about this what's good about that movie i mean the airport fight i don't think it's as
good as winter soldier though either we disagree on this I think but maybe
I have
I don't know
I'm on the fence
very little sleep
anyway
I think I'm on the verge
of maybe changing my mind
Winter Soldier is a very good movie
but
yeah Civil War is essential
because we get
origin of Spider-Man
or we get the first appearance
of Spider-Man
yep that's true
what else do we get
first appearance of Black Panther
yep
we get the splintering of the group that's yep tony stark gets a well-earned beating yes long time coming
what are so long he seems to also regret and he's not as he seems to try to take responsibility for
all the horrible things that he's done yep even just in these films yes like outside of all the
bombs that he's built prior to this. Yeah.
Because he, I love it because he built Ultron.
Yes.
Well, I guess with Bruce Banner.
I mean, he says he didn't.
He says it was kind of an accident,
but that's your fault.
And he's trying to make everybody else sign a thing.
Also, the Accords I find interesting
because in the real world,
yeah, you need something like that
to stop people running in
and doing whatever in whatever country.
But in the comic book universe, where everybody can be a robot or hydra or an alien or an alien
then you there shouldn't be a set of rules in place that stop people from doing things
there shouldn't be no there's there should be certain people who are above the law in the wow
in the comic book universe wow because You are advocating for a vigilante.
I'm saying just because it's a comic book world.
Yes.
Anybody can be literally anybody else.
Yeah.
You can wear a hologram mask and you're a different person, you know, and then you've got a set
of people in government who turns out most of them are Hydra.
Right.
Running the show and saying who Captain America is going to beat up.
You need something separate from
that okay it's independently wow in this universe okay i'm not saying in the real world okay wow
which is why i think he's wrong okay yeah i don't know if i agree with that i think there should be
some rules yeah there's rules obviously but also you if it's in the hands of people like a captain
america you can kind of trust him to do the right thing I mean for now but like I said
you said
anyone could be anything
that's true yeah
you can trust him
until he becomes
a Hydra agent
yeah
see that's
that's how secret
empires happen James
that's true
because you're just like
oh no let's all
trust Captain America
and give him the keys
to all the
nuclear submarines
who do you trust then
you put
no one
not even yourself
yeah
because what if you're a Skrull and you don't even know well that's exactly right what if you're a sleeper agent Who do you trust then? No one. Not even yourself.
Because what if you're a Skrull and you don't even know?
Well, that's exactly right. What if you're a sleeper agent?
Yeah.
What if you think you're a superhero and then somebody's like,
Dusseldorf, hammock, bananas, cheese whiz, 23.
And you kill your family.
Exactly.
Yeah. You're not wrong. So somebody should be in charge. Yeah. 23 and you kill your family exactly yeah
you're not wrong
so somebody
should be in charge
yeah
who
a bloody committee
what
no
then you'd never get anything done
like the shield committee
it's run by
Howard's booth
what about
what about the Illuminati
wait
you mean the real world
no I mean
in the Marvel comics,
there's a secret team of superhero higher-ups
who are like, we've got to deal with this.
I think that is a better idea than putting bureaucrats in charge
in a cinematic universe.
Because also you balance it out
because that's made up of Beast from the X-Men
and Doctor Strange and Iron Man.
It's got a bunch of different people,
depending on what era. And they got a bunch of different people, depending on what era.
And they've all got a different perspective,
whether it be on mutant issues or magic or whatever's going on.
Yes.
So, no, I'm not saying one guy,
but you should just let Captain America do what he wants.
All right, fine.
Until he turns evil.
And then we switch to whoever's left.
Yeah.
Bucky or whatever.
Sure, the guy with real... They cleaned it up. I guess. They cleaned him up, mate. There's nothing left. Yeah. Bucky or whatever. Sure, the guy with real...
They cleaned it up.
I guess.
They cleaned him up, mate.
There's nothing left in there.
All right.
Yeah.
What do you want?
Yeah, for now.
Until somebody uses a time stone or something
and puts it all back in there.
Or a mind stone.
But somebody...
Like, Doctor Strange could probably kill everybody
in that committee if he wanted to.
Probably shouldn't put him on the committee then.
You suggested the Illuminati.
Anyway, I don't know.
Yeah.
Hot topic, Mason.
Isn't it a hot topic?
Yeah.
Anyway, it's probably essential.
Yes.
Yeah.
There's no...
Oh, there is an Infinity Stone because there's a vision.
Yeah.
Like, oh yeah, Age of Ultron has an Infinity Stone.
Yeah.
Who cares?
It doesn't matter.
It's firmly established.
Yeah.
It's fine.
No, I think it's important from a character perspective.
Does Age of Ultron just have Thor going, there are many infinity stones and we're there's a swim yeah that's
right and he sees them all yeah and there's lightning and the guys there terrific i love
it it's great isn't it next up dr strange uh good for introducing magic but entirely inessential yeah i think so yeah i mean this is the time stone i get this yeah i absolutely
get the sense that the powers of the time stone will be firmly established in infinity war correct
so i don't think you get i don't think we need two hours of again firecracker kung fu yes in order
to establish that there is an Infinity Stone
that controls time.
Great visuals, though.
Good visuals.
In a weird mirror universe or whatever.
Yep, that's true.
And everything's bending in on itself.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, the bit where he's running down the corridor,
but he can't.
Yes, that's good.
Do you like that bit?
Yep, yep.
Doing a classic run in place.
Very funny.
Very nice.
Yeah, and also that movie...
His American accent's a little off-putting.
Yeah, it's so generic.
It's the house accent. It is. fact that the thor ragnarok has the post-credits sequence
where thor says oh there are earth has wizards now yeah that's it yes that's literally all you
need well you see him dr strange is also in it yeah that's what i mean yeah that's what i mean
all right you said post-credits. Yeah, because the post-credits
sequence in Doctor Strange
becomes that scene
in Thor Ragnarok.
Good point, Mason.
So I think you don't
have to see that.
I don't think you have to see
Doctor Strange.
You can just watch
Thor Ragnarok.
I like the change of heart
that he has
and the lessons that he learns.
I think the strength
of that movie
is the firecracker kung fu.
Right.
But also the way
that he comes around on stuff. Yeah, for sure. The lesson that he learns. I think the strength of that movie is the firecracker kung fu. Right. But also the way that he comes around.
Yeah, for sure.
The lesson that he learns about what's important
and all that kind of thing.
And he kind of gives up being a really cool surgeon.
That's true.
To do firecracker kung fu.
The coolest job there is.
Yeah, that's the coolest job.
It's so rock and roll.
What does he listen to?
He listens to rock and roll music.
He listens to cool jazz.
Oh, that's so cool.
Yeah.
And he knows all the cool jazz.
He knows all the jazz. He's a cool jazz nerd. He. And he knows all the cool jazz. He knows all the jazz.
He's a cool jazz nerd.
He's like, oh, you don't know as many release dates as I do.
Shut up.
Glad you're in a car crash.
Yeah, me too.
I don't really.
No, that's bad.
But it also, what else is, it has introduced like the dark dimension and multiple realities
and time shifts and whatever.
But only in the vaguest possible sense.
But again, I agree.
You don't...
I think that movie's solid.
Next up we have Guardians of the Galaxy 2.
I like it a lot.
Yes.
Mostly pointless.
Because it's just them fighting Ego and they beat him and who cares.
It's mostly pointless insofar as prior to that,
we thought that Peter Quill was pretty much a normal guy,
maybe a little bit different,
and then he gains godlike powers for a minute,
and then he becomes a regular guy again.
So that all may as well not have happened.
Do you reckon that affects him on a date,
like he feels more tired or something?
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, he had to have a connection to the planet, didn't he,
to get any powers, but there was clearly something else going on, ticking away inside him. I mean, he had to have a connection to the planet, didn't he? To get any powers.
But there was clearly something else going on, ticking away inside.
I like that movie a lot.
But I can see why you could give it a miss.
Yes.
Yeah.
I mean, we do get more Gamora and Nebula backstory.
We also get the introduction of Mantis.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And we also get...
But I mean, you could just say they picked him up on the way.
Yes.
Like, the appearance of Mantis in Infinity War
is not going to change a whole heck of a lot of stuff.
Also, we know from Guardians of the Galaxy 1
that Groot is going to grow back.
Yes.
So the fact that he is back to being pretty much regular-sized Groot
is fine.
But a different guy.
Different guy, yep. Yeah. And, again, you miss out on a lot of super regular sized Groot is fine. But a different guy. Different guy, yep.
And again, you miss out on a lot of super
fun baby Groot. Yes. And
super fun movie in general. Yeah.
But if you're going to infinity, it does matter. Yeah.
It does not matter. It's still a good one.
Have we been noting down the essentials
here? Yeah, probably. People, if
somebody could, just go back. Please.
This might be my favourite. Spider-Man
Homecoming. Yes. I've only seen it once but I thoroughly enjoyed this back. Please. This might be my favorite. Spider-Man Homecoming. Yes.
I've only seen it once, but I thoroughly enjoyed this film.
Yes.
From just a... I mean, I like Civil War a lot, but just a breezy kid in over his head.
Yes.
Great.
The really good use of the character that adheres to the comic in the best way.
Yes.
He's really believable as Spider-Man.
The villain's great.
There's no big stone that shoots a laser.
It's not essential.
He's not fighting Venom or another character
who also has spider powers.
No, he's fighting, what's his bloody name?
The Vulture.
Michael Keaton.
Michael Keaton.
Yeah.
Because he could easily go Civil War
and then Infinity War.
Yeah, for sure.
In terms of that character.
But even the introduction, like even putting Robert Downey Jr.,
I think it is a mentor role is a really,
even though he's a super hypocrite and a real son of a bitch.
Yeah.
But no, and you think the new suit that he's got is just like,
you don't think it's got any of the tech?
I think post, at the end of Spider-Man Homecoming,
the Spider-Man suit he takes out of the paper bag is just a regular suit.
Or he probably does the thing where it sticks to you or whatever.
Yeah, for sure.
You think there's no kill mode or whatever?
No, I think it's absolute minimalist.
It also does a good job to establish the Spider-Man universe
in a way that's different than what they've done before,
but without beating you over the head about what's coming next there's little hints towards like miles morales and
like gwen stacy and stuff like that and the mary jane thing i felt a real kind of throwaway i
didn't like that it was just like people call me mj okay all right all right oh yeah like it's it's
a non-twist it's just like who yeah for sure, right. But also, she might not really be Mary Jane.
They've kind of established that as well. Okay, wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
But no, I think this is great.
Do you like Thor Ragnarok?
Yes, very much so.
But do you think it's essential?
Oh, no.
Okay, what happens in it then?
He's stuck in space.
He gets a haircut.
He beats up... The Hulk. and everyone sister he beats up everyone he beats up everybody and uh way more power than
you think asgard's destroyed as guys i don't think he's that much more powerful though really he just
found the power the hulk he just finds the power within himself yeah but i think he could have
beaten up the hulk anyway but he but he seemed to i think his strength has increased a lot in this hello buddy how are you
did you have fun at the shops cool he said no i think from like emotionally like the emotional
weight of that film is not there's not much to it yeah it's just it's a very funny film oh yeah
for sure yeah good soundtrack yes it's true. So Claire's just wrestling with the kid.
Oh, no.
He's crying now.
He wanted to come in and play with a dog and be on the podcast.
Not allowed.
Oh, wow, never?
It seems like a lot to put on a kid.
That's true.
I don't think he's seen most of these movies.
Yeah, that's true.
Hey, mate.
See you, mate.
No, he's all right. He's doing all right. It's a fun film. Yes. And Asgard's destroyed, but who cares? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, mate. See you, mate. No, he's all right.
He's doing all right.
It's a fun film.
Yes.
And Asgard's destroyed, but who cares?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, exactly.
And I mean...
Hey, Ollie.
Hey, mate.
I don't like it as much as everybody else likes it.
Oh, yeah, okay.
And I think that's also the same for Black Panther.
Because it's...
There's a lot of stuff going on in Black Panther.
This is the last one, obviously.
I mean, maybe not.
Maybe it's not obvious. Oh, I should have said should have said spoilers i guess i mean people don't know
don't they i don't even know okay good good no it's a lot of similar stuff and a guy fights
another guy and the same suit as him and whatever yeah the character stuff's really good and yes
and the cast itself is something we hadn't seen before. And obviously people went in droves to see it.
It's outperformed so many of these films that you wouldn't think it would.
Like you think it was going to be...
I thought it was going to do like Ant-Man numbers or Guardians of the Galaxy,
but it's bloody exceeded expectations.
Where do you settle on it?
We've only seen it a few months ago.
I like it a lot.
But is it essential?
If you see Civil War, you know who Black Panther is.
And then if you went straight to Infinity War, then it's...
Yes, exactly.
Yeah.
Not essential.
Not essential.
But good.
Very good.
Good rhinos.
Okay, so what was essential in this one?
I've forgotten.
I think it's establishing Wakanda.
Oh, what was the essential movie?
I think it's Civil War.
Civil War.
Okay, cool.
But again, it depends if you go Winter Soldier, Civil War.
Because I think you'd have to... Both of those two together right if you went sorry i think no it's guardians of galaxy civil war yeah is that right yes i mean what is
right what is right indeed and what is love oh baby don't hurt me okay so what's your favorite
from phase three oh do you want the list yeah give me the list Civil War Doctor Strange Guardians 2 Spider-Man
Thor
Black Panther
ah
it would for me to be
it's either
Civil War
or Spider-Man
I think
sure yeah
just because they're both
so much fun
but different
but different
but I think the one I go back to
the most
is probably
Civil War
fair enough
agree to slightly disagree
Mason
yeah
plus Civil War has that sweet ad for Milo in it.
Does it?
On a wall.
It does too.
At the start when they're in...
Guatemala or somewhere.
Wherever they are, yeah.
Panama.
Panama.
Have you seen Lost in Space?
Yes.
There's a Panama moment.
Oh.
But you've seen it all?
No.
Well, then never mind.
I won't spoil it for you.
Okay then.
There's a Panama moment.
All in all, Mason. Another, then never mind. I won't spoil it for you. Okay, then. It was a Panama moment. All in all, Mason.
Another brick in the wall.
Okay, pick the most essential and your favorite.
Okay.
All the movies.
All of them.
Okay.
Most essential is probably the first Avengers movie, right?
Yes, it is.
I think so.
Yeah.
Oof.
I guess if we could only pick one, but that is quite the leap.
If you just went, I'll watch the first Avengers movie,
and then you went to Infinity War.
There's a lot in between.
There's a lot in between.
But you wouldn't go Age of Ultron.
No, absolutely not.
Or Civil War.
But I think a lot of people are going to go First Avengers.
Yeah, Civil War.
No, I think a lot of people are just going to go Avengers,
Age of Ultron, Infinity War,
because they're the three Avengers movies.
Yeah, right.
And they're like, well, I better get these Avengers movies out of the way.
Could you get a solid grounding just with those two?
I think so.
I think you'd probably want to swap out the second Avengers with Civil War.
I think you'd probably want to go, yeah, first Avengers, Civil War,
and then the next Avengers.
Because good or bad, it's the stuff that you probably need to know
when it comes out.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
Okay, well, if I have to pick one
it's Avengers I guess
for essential not favourite
what's your favourite? Civil War
okay I'm going to say
Winter Soldier
I'd love to hear what people think though
what's your essential
one from each phase
and your favourites
and if we've missed something
remember in Thor The Dark World
when this happens?
You've got to factor that in.
Did you say for the post-credits
in Thor The Dark World?
What happens?
There's a cat,
like a big cat monster
and it knocks over a shipping container
or whatever, chasing birds.
Really?
Yeah.
But before that,
Thor comes back to Earth
and him and Jane make out.
Nice.
But then they break up
and he hooks up with the
valkyrie no he doesn't no there's some tension let me tell you he wants to yes great all in all
may soon it's been 10 years hasn't it remember how remember how young and free we were yes i
mean you're still relatively free young and free you're not burdened are you just like our national
anthem i'm young and free all right and you're girt by sea yes like our national anthem, I'm young and free, all right? And you're girt by sea. Yes. Just like our national anthem.
Good stuff.
You know what it's time for then?
Ah, what are we reading?
What are we going to read?
Yes.
I'm doing the thing.
What are we reading today?
Well, I'm a few episodes into Lost in Space.
And?
I'm liking it a lot.
Yeah.
I think it's good.
I agree. episodes into lost in space and i'm liking it a lot yeah it's good i agree it feels very like i can't i have no particular love for or memory of i mean the movie absolutely gary oldman turns into
a spider but certainly not the uh the tv series originally which seems super camp but this really
feels like swiss family robinson a family surviving in a hostile environment. How many are you in?
Four.
Okay.
Is it established that there is more or less people on this planet than you'd think?
There's currently a couple more than you'd think.
Okay, cool.
Yeah.
You're saying there's heaps more.
I'm saying more or less because maybe they're not people, Mason.
Wow.
I mean, they are.
What do you think of the robot?
It's pretty cool.
Do you think he's a sexy robot?
No.
People would call it like the shape of water robot, like a sexy robot.
I don't think it's not much sexy about that robot.
It's also really clear when that robot is a CGI robot and a man in a suit.
Yes, that's true, yeah.
Which is okay.
I mean, of course, that's less expensive to build the suit.
But it looks great as well as a series.
Some of those scenes in the forest look great.
Yeah.
It seems like they put money into it, which is good.
Do you like all the characters?
Do you like the dad?
Is he the villain in Die Another Day where he shoots electricity?
Is he?
He might be.
All right, you should check.
You should check.
Lost in Space Car.
You see anything else?
No, just the Blues Brothers again.
Okay.
Yeah.
And?
It was good.
Did you like the car crash?
Yes.
You're a car crash.
What do you think of that?
Oh, come on, my God.
Got you.
Got you, Mason.
Bloody hell.
All right, let me find this guy.
His name is Toby Stephens, or Stephens with a PH.
And he is...
He is in Die Another Day.
I knew it.
He's a guy.
He's secretly Korean. Yeah. Remember when he gets the... Is is in Die Another Day. I knew it. He's a guy.
He's secretly Korean.
Yeah.
Remember when he gets the... Is he Diamond Face?
No.
The other guy's Diamond Face.
He's the son of the dictator or whatever.
Right.
Son of Diamond Face.
Yeah, he has the...
Yeah, sure.
Oh, and he has the electric suit.
You've got the electric suit where you can see the electricity.
Is that not Diamond Face?
No, that's a different guy.
Oh.
Because the other guy's the son of the dictator or whatever. I'm confident that guy's also Diamond Face. I bet you... Because where's Diamondface? No, that's a different guy. Oh. Because the other guy's the son of the dictator or whatever.
I'm confident that guy's also Diamondface.
I bet you.
Because where's Diamondface?
Diamondface is in the process of getting his face de-diamond.
Oh, okay, right.
And that guy's already had it.
And apparently as a result of getting all the treatment to make you British.
Yes.
What a fucking stupid movie.
Yeah.
That made him mad and he doesn't sleep.
Yeah, right.
And he models himself off James Bond.
Yeah, right.
And people are like, who is this guy that's just showed up out of nowhere?
This 35-year-old man we've never seen before and nobody has any memories of.
Nobody asked that question.
I saw Isle of Dogs.
Oh, yeah.
Or Isle of Dogs.
I should get to that.
Yeah, it's good.
Isle of Dogs.
Yeah, it's good.
I mean, don't take a kid okay because
it's not really a kid's film so did you do that did you make that mistake no i didn't think so i
didn't think you would have and it was it was interesting because it was almost it was like
a meditative movie because it's very kind of slow moving and it's like quiet a lot of the time
there's a little bit of music and and whatever but everybody was really kind of silent and just
kind of letting it kind of wash over them and the audience were yeah everybody was really kind of silent and just kind of letting it kind
of wash over them and the audience were yeah it was really surprising but uh i know i really
enjoyed it and i love that animation style and every and claire said is it stop motion or is
it cgi stop motion yeah like every every frame is it's like it looks like an artwork yeah right
they really go out of their way to make it unique and would you say it's problematic in terms of the the setting set in japan yes look this is not my area
sure i'm gonna delve in here we go i think it depends on your perspective i guess it's not
i think it represents japanese culture really well and the reason that they did the western
voices for the dogs and left it as Japanese for the rest of the cast.
So in terms of the audience, you feel that alienation where you understand what the dogs are, but you don't understand Japanese just the way the dogs don't.
Right, okay, sure.
That's the purpose behind it, is my understanding.
But it didn't bother me.
Does it feel like Wes Anderson loves Japan
there's a lot of that
yeah okay right
okay well that's alright
it's not
yeah it's definitely not
you know like
Mickey Rooney
reference activities
they get all Japanese actors
and uh
for the Japanese parts
like Yoko Ono's in it
and a bunch of other people
but yeah
I can see where people
are coming from
but it's not
it's not a slap in the face
to Japanese culture
yeah right
unless maybe you think it is
which is also fine.
Yeah.
I haven't seen it, but I'm saying it is.
Okay, then.
Nah, just kidding.
Ready for the next segment?
Oh, letters.
Yeah.
Yeah, probably.
The classic one was letters, oh letters.
We love you, some letters.
They're only a day away.
I know they're here right now
we're gonna do letters
get ready everybody
for a high energy finish
oh did we mention
the bloody live show
we talked about the live show
we did it
we talked about it last week
oh yeah probably talked about it last week
we had a good time
after we did it
yeah alright cool fine
how do you feel about it now
I liked it
that's also up on the Patreon
if people want it
oh yeah
it's there
so you can go listen to it
it's all there.
Hey, this is...
I'll find another better letter.
But for now, this is still a good letter.
Thanks to Nate for this letter.
All right.
Speaking of Denny's...
Here we go.
Just wanted to include some of the menu items
for the aforementioned Denny's promo menus.
Hope you guys are craving some of the Thingburgers as much as me.
So he sent a...
It's a slam-tastic breakfast.
This is a promo thing.
What is that?
It says, brace yourself in your taste buds
for the delicious new menu
inspired by the Fantastic Four.
So this came out around FanFourStick time.
There's a human torch skillet.
Pretty good.
Has it got hot sauce or whatever?
Yeah, it's got some chili in it, I think. There's the thing burger. Pretty good. Has it got hot sauce or whatever? Yeah, it's got some chilli in it, I think, yeah.
There's the Thing Burger.
Pretty good.
Is it like a big piece of crispy chicken or something?
The Thing?
Yeah.
That's just a regular burger, it seems.
What?
The burger seems quite craggy and thing-like.
Okay.
It looks just like an old burger bun, I think.
Is the Mr. Fantastic just a ball of chewed gum?
Well, look, the next one's the Invisible Woman Slam,
which seems quite visible
and also a weird thing to say.
But then there's the Fantastic Four Cheese Omelette.
So Reed Richards doesn't even get a look in.
Doesn't get a gig, mate.
Doesn't get a look in.
They're like, nah, he's too boring.
Even for deadies.
Oh, that's great.
I got a tweet here.
If you want to reach the show...
You can also get the Red, White and Blue Slam,
which is related to Independence Day resurgence.
God damn it.
We salute our troops.
My God.
With a slam.
If you want to reach the show,
hashtag WeeklyPlanetPod on Twitter
or WeeklyPlanetPod at gmail.com.
Would you eat a maple bacon sundae?
No.
Okay, all right.
Would you?
No, then we're not visiting Denny's for a while.
This is from Alex on Twitter.
Hot scoop or shot of poop?
I've heard someone who works on the
Black Panther films
that the Fantastic Four
will be introduced
in the MCU
through Black Panther 2
mirroring Black Panther's
first appearance
in the comics
and that cartoon
yeah right wow
thoughts
didn't that would be
a good introduction
I think that would be cool
yeah
you could make it good
I guess you could make it good
yeah
but in the sense that
the Fantastic Four
go to Wakanda and challenge him or they or it was good yeah but in the sense that the fantastic four go to wakanda
and challenge him or they or it was the other way in the comic yeah he lures them he lures them in
yeah yeah no i don't like it you'd have to change a lot of it yeah you could have them have their
first meeting together for sure you could have them in wakanda for some reason yeah
i don't know he wants a pair of stretchy, stretchy pants.
Maybe they're in Wakanda,
they're working on some sort of dimensional technology.
Oh, yeah.
They crack open a portal
and then the Fantastic Four fly through.
Hello!
Hello!
And maybe he deems them a threat
and then they fight in a weird metal jungle
or whatever happens to that.
Exactly.
Got another letter, Mason?
Oh, yeah, this is from Theo James.
Okay.
Just wanted to ask James' opinion as a dad.
Hello. What age does he think it best to force your kids to watch
the Marvel films and other franchises like
maybe a Star Wars? You don't want
to show them when they're too young
to understand, but if you leave it too late
they'll probably hear spoilers and watch movie clips
on YouTube out of order. I don't think
kids care about that. Do you remember caring about spoilers
as a kid? I used to read the novelisation
of books before I saw them. I would read the novelizations before seeing the movie as well.
I've read the novelization of the movie Stargate, but I've never seen Stargate.
Wow.
What do you imagine it was like?
I imagined it was really good.
How did you imagine James Spader looking?
Not like he does now.
Yes.
You're not wrong.
I don't think I knew who James Spader was in the 90s.
Yeah.
He was trim, man.
That's true.
Yeah. Okay. Five? I was in the 90s. Yeah. He was trim, man. That's true. Yeah.
Okay, I guess my question would be, do you regret seeing movies out of order?
Not as a kid.
Right.
I don't care.
But like currently, is there any big franchise you saw out of order?
Did you see the Star Wars movies out of order originally?
No, I don't think so.
I saw Back to the Future 1, 3, 2.
Okay. But that didn't really... Does it concern you at all? No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not at all. I mean,
I don't even, I don't really remember when or how I saw things. I just kind of,
I just know I've seen Star Wars. I don't remember the first time I saw Star Wars.
I saw The Empire Strikes Back a lot more because we had that on VHS. Yeah. Yeah, but what about you?
Do you think fandom is accelerating to a point though that kids have to see things in order i think for kids it doesn't
matter for young kids i don't i don't think they care yeah i think you might you might be right as
someone as a dad and as someone who is a teacher most and yeah yeah officially actually i think
i've been deregistered uh-oh i should probably check that out in case I have to pack all this in
yeah right
if we don't hit
$100,000
oh what
you know what I'll do
if we don't hit
$100,000
we'll keep the money
oh yeah cool
that sounds really
that sounds
we're going to jail
for this
I'm okay with that
yeah
oh just to clarify
that money doesn't
go anywhere near us
it goes into a separate
account
it doesn't go through us
no that's right
everyday heroes
set it up
set up a really cool page.
Yeah.
I think maybe the key here
is don't force your kids
into watching an NES.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think so, yeah.
I've been trying to
not do that with Mikey,
but a lot of other people
give him stuff.
They're like...
He's got a lot of Batman merch.
He does have a lot of Batman merch.
He's got, like yesterday
or the other day,
he's got a functioning Batmobile.
He's got a functioning
1989 Batmobile
with like a kerosene burner out the back.
He's singed himself so many times.
But he loves it.
Yeah, he loves it.
The other day, I bought him a little basketball ring
so we play basketball together.
So I just...
Oh, yeah, forcing him into sport.
No, I played basketball when I was a kid.
But if he wants to play it,
I want him to kind of gravitate towards what he wants.
And I'm kind of paranoid that he's just going to...
Because apparently the first kid in a family will copy the parents more.
And the second one, which is what I am, will just kind of do their own thing.
Right.
Yeah.
Or copy the older kid.
You'll copy the older kid, yeah.
Did you copy your sister?
No.
You're both tram drivers, aren't you?
Yeah, correct.
That's right.
That's what I thought, yeah.
No, I think five's okay to probably start.
Is there any you wouldn't let him see
do you think
like the Hulk
Incredible Hulk's pretty
he's pretty scary
I don't know if you'd want to start
I think that's
that's not a fun
kids movie
no
yeah
no
unessential
inessential
completely inessential
but there's scary moments
in all of them
I think the part
you know where
you know where Bruce Banner
gets really upset
in the first Avengers movie
and he turns into the Hulk and chases Black Widow all about the place.
Sure.
That would be scary for a kid, right?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hey, buddy.
You having fun?
He was.
He's tired.
Yeah, he's tired.
No, you're all right, Clay.
Don't worry about it.
Claire's put on sunglasses as if to pretend she's cool but she's got a kid so she's not cool anymore
she's not fooling anybody yeah who's cooler out of me or claire but look at this look at this
it's probably claire to me i raised an eyebrow yeah i know she was raising two eyebrows
and she's got sunglasses that's right
yeah i don't
yeah I think
five to six is alright
but you could probably
pick or choose
I think it's also
a question of
some of them would be
very boring
I'd imagine if you
showed a kid
Iron Man 3
they would not enjoy that
or Iron Man 1
yeah probably
yeah
but I think you could go
Avengers after the first
20 minutes
oh it's non-stop action
yeah they would love that
and stuff like that
yeah
also maybe like I think there's like a you could you could show them like teen titans go or like i
think there's like a tiny avengers or something sure yeah you maybe yeah start them on that well
as when i was a kid like when you were a kid also we're both kids yeah like the the movies like this
the big movies were like your terminators yourators, you're Robocops. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're Lethal Weapons, which is kind of at a harder edge.
Yes.
But it's kind of, it's a bit different now.
They're a bit like those kind of films don't do as well commercially.
Yeah, right.
It would seem.
But they've got that Lethal Weapon TV series.
Got another letter, Mason?
Look, I'll give you one more because I just saw this and it intrigued me.
This is Star Wars related.
Okay.
This is from Kamail.
Loves the show.
Thanks, buddy.
Appreciate it.
You know how
dead eyes,
dead Jedis,
can come back in ghost form
and just talk to people?
Yeah.
So with Kylo Ren
obsessing over Vader,
why doesn't Anakin
just show up and be like,
hey man,
stop.
Stop doing this.
Maybe he wants him to.
Whoa.
I think it's dependent
at the moment.
Because he's got the skills.
He's got the skills.
We've seen him come back to do it. I think it's also dependent on who. Because he's got the skills. He's got the skills. We've seen him come back to do it.
I think it's also dependent on who that person is linked to.
I see.
And who can see them.
Because there's not really, it's not clear about who they can appear to or if everybody
can see them.
That kind of stuff was established in Legends, but it's not, it hasn't been re-established
firmly.
Oh, I see.
Maybe Luke can see Yoda because he knows yoda but maybe ray can't
see yoda right yeah or maybe she can you know because if mace windu shows up to lecture ray
she's gonna be like i don't know who you are okay you have to have a significant connection
good thing okay sure right also they're mostly wrong the ghosts when they show up but isn't
kylo is an's grandson, right?
Yes.
Okay.
But they haven't met.
Okay, right.
Yeah.
I'm not saying he can't,
but also Anakin seems like the kind of guy that wouldn't.
Yeah, right.
Okay.
Just wouldn't intervene.
Thanks.
I don't know.
What do you think?
Well, it would certainly solve a lot of problems,
but I think that if we're looking for an explanation
as to why that hasn't happened and wrap things up very neatly,
that is perfect.
Okay, good.
Excellent.
There's a lot of plot holes in everything, though.
There sure is.
Let's not think about it too hard.
Let's think about it too much.
Okay.
Nick says on Twitter, which movies that have come out in the past 10 years or so do you guys think will be looked upon as classics in the future?
Last 10 years?
Last 10 years.
Ooh.
I can think of recently, probably like Get Out.
Yep. Probably up there. That's very much a good one. The movie Sunshine is just over 10 years, Ooh. I can think of recently, like probably like Get Out. Yep.
Probably up there.
It's very much a good one.
The movie Sunshine is just over 10 years,
unfortunately.
Come on, mate.
Come on.
It's just,
I think Nolan's stuff probably,
what's the one where they're in a hallway?
Inception.
Yeah.
That's a good one.
Probably look back as a classic.
I think Interstellar might come around again.
No,
I don't think that's a classic at all.
I think you're a classic.
Wow.
I think Dunkirk will be better regarded than Interstellar.
I can definitely, I can say that, sure.
And it'll take, you know, a couple of, you know,
it'll take probably 10 years before people can determine
which character is which in that movie.
So once they've done that.
Then it's perfect.
There's also movies that probably go the other way.
Yes.
Like who knows if Shape of Water is going to hold up.
Yeah, right.
For sure.
I enjoy that a lot.
But you can't really tell from the outset.
Because then if you look at movies like The Artist, who talks about that?
Nobody.
I'm not saying that's a crap film.
I haven't seen it.
But I mean, that's out of our circle completely.
I'm just talking classics in general.
Yeah, right, right.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah.
You know, because then you get
a movie like crash winning the oscars and everyone's like this was the worst movie ever
made yeah exactly modern classic films oh do you think there's like any been any doesn't seem to
be any like classic westerns or classic and there used to be like religious epics and shit like
that like a like a passion of the christ kind of situation yeah i don't think that's well regarded
either i haven't seen i meant more like ben hurd oh yeah for situation. Yeah. I don't think that's well regarded either.
I haven't seen it.
I meant more like Ben Hur.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Okay, right, right.
I don't know.
I think there's just so many movies coming out now.
Mad Max.
I think that's going to be a classic. Fury Road, that's going to be a classic.
I would also say maybe like one of the Raid movies,
probably the second one.
Sure.
As just in terms of just spectacular action.
Sure.
Yeah.
Okay, what about Ong three no not on back three two
no one yes okay good remember he leaves that pane of glass or whatever he does for
i was just looking here it's got the matrix but that i would say that's a bit further back that's
99 and it's also it probably is a classic oh yeah that's currently i would say that's currently a
classic yeah this is relatively this is a bit outside of 10 years, but I think Casino Royale.
Yep, absolutely.
I think that's the pinnacle of James Bonding.
I agree.
I completely agree.
Yes.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'd be interested to see what people consider classics.
Actually, also, I would as well.
Let us know.
On Twitter.
What about Alfie, the reboot?
With starring Jude Law.
Yeah, absolutely.
He's ladding about.
Maybe his dick doesn't work, but then it does.
Yeah.
He's okay.
It's a sad film.
I don't think I talked about it recently.
I remember it being fun, but it's mostly him having a cold and being sad.
Yeah, it really is.
All right, that's the end of the show.
We did it.
Mason, it's very exciting.
We're seeing Avengers Tuesday night.
Hello.
We've gotten into a screening
I missed the email
The email came Friday
Yeah
And I missed it
And then by the time
Friday it ended
The cut off was over
Oh right
Why
And then I got another one
We would have had to see it
12 hours later
I know
And then I got another one
This morning
Which I also missed
Please come to this movie
Nobody's coming
We don't understand
Right I emailed the person And we're going Nice Which is good In IMAX also which I also missed. Please come to this movie. Nobody's coming. We don't understand.
I emailed the person and we're going.
Nice.
In IMAX also.
Oh, IMAX.
So if people got opinions on Avengers Infinity War,
please send them through.
Yes.
Probably minimal spoilers on Twitter, I guess,
because we can't respond to that anyway on Twitter.
Yeah. Because then people say everything you respond or like now on Twitter sometimes.
Yeah, that's true.
That's how it works.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'm just going to not really cover that.
So I've got a review tomorrow and we'll talk about it next week.
Nice.
Yeah.
Anything else going on?
That'll do it.
Oh, this is you.
Oh, yeah.
That's true.
Oh, it's been a long night.
Let's see.
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