The Weekly Planet - 33 Best & Worst X-Men Films
Episode Date: May 12, 2014This week Mason and James discuss the spate of recently greenlit comic book TV series, the return of the Power Rangers, Spider-man underperforming and the best and worst X-Men films. Hosted on Acast. ...See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London.
One woman has a secret.
The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost.
FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Welcome back everyone to another episode of the Weekly Planet,
official podcast of ComicBookMovie.com.
My name is James, junior editor of that website.
You might also know me as Mr. Sunday.
With me as always
is my co-host,
Nick Mason.
Whoa, oh, oh, oh,
the longest
for the longest time.
That's the reference
to something that happened
before we started.
Yes, it did.
How are you?
I'm doing all right.
Having a good week?
Yeah, standard week stuff.
I feel like we haven't
done this in a while,
but it's only been a week.
I know, right?
YouTube's back for you.
It is. Well, not back. I made a new one't done this in a while, but it's only been a week, hasn't it? I know, right? YouTube's back for you. It is.
Well, not back.
I made a new one.
YouTube.com slash MrSundayMoviesMason.
Check it out.
Everybody, so many people have jumped back on board.
It's amazing.
I only put it up yesterday.
As of now, it's been 24 hours.
I've got like 600 odd subscribers or something, or close to.
It's amazing because it took me many, many years to get that initially.
And now, I feel like I haven't earned it.
Well, you used to be boring.
You used to be like a real boring guy.
So that's probably it.
Now I'm all jazzed.
It was just you pointing your webcam at various things in your apartment.
Just like, look, it's a plant on a ledge.
There are literally millions of YouTube videos like that.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah, so I just want to say thank you to everybody who supported through this whole thing or whatever.
I mean, the old one might come back. It could very well. But I just wanted to say thank you to everybody who supported, you know, through this whole thing or whatever. I mean, the old one might come back.
It could very well.
But I just wanted to also say, Mason, I'm not sure if I'm going to be doing movie news videos every week.
Because I feel like we do that here as well.
That's true, we do.
So I'll still do a Sunday video, but I'll do like a different thing.
And oftentimes we'll do this, right?
And I'll go, he's got some sweet witticisms about that movie news that just happened.
And then I'll go and I'll watch the video you did and I'll notice you just recycled what you did in your video.
I'm like, you son of a bitch.
I thought we were having a genuine conversation.
You pre-recorded your whole life.
Often though, I get the witticisms from this conversation.
Sometimes they just steal things that you say.
Fair enough.
That's okay.
I don't remember anything I say, so it doesn't matter.
I've said that often that people will tweet at me yeah with a phrase yeah yeah and they're like that that was so funny and i'm like was that me or is that just something you heard
on the street i don't i don't remember thank you though thank you for you'll never know yeah
mason yes uh i'm here i know yes dec Declan McCarthy actually wrote in
With a
Not a theme song
But like a series of clips
That he's added together
As like a precursor to
The um
The new segment
Which we're about to launch into
Oh
Right
Have I been warned about this segment?
No
Great
I mean the new segment
We do it every week
Oh the news
I thought you said a new segment
Wow
It's new every week
Because the information is new
That's true yeah
Do you want to hear it?
Yeah I shouldn't ask I'm you want to hear it? Yeah.
I shouldn't ask.
I'm just going to do it.
Yeah.
Right.
Should we get straight
into the news?
I'd love to get into the news.
Do you want me to kick it off
or do you want me to kick it off?
Yeah, kick it off, mate.
Sure.
Do we want to talk about
Shia LaBeouf ever again?
No, let's put a moratorium on him.
I worked out like a mad dog
for this role.
Absolutely, you did.
We're going to release
more news.
Rumours.
I understand you don't want
to talk about YouTube.
Forget about it.
New York style.
The best movie ever or the worst movie ever?
No middle ground.
Wow.
Controversial.
An inside source.
He's gonna get fired.
I said no more Shia LaBeouf news.
Oh my god!
Very brief Shia LaBeouf news.
Why?
I don't know.
Hashtag eat dem eggs.
How do you like that?
Well that was great.
How do you like that?
Well, that was great.
We've been turned into like a pair of morning radio jocks.
It does sound like that, doesn't it?
Yeah, yeah. Well, look, to be honest, we probably won't use a theme
because we go theme song straight away
and then straight into another theme song.
And that would also confuse people.
That would confuse people, yeah, yeah.
Is there Shia LaBeouf news?
That's great, though.
I know, right?
I do Eclipse package
that's super good
yeah yeah
it also demonstrates
our varying audio quality
have you noticed
that's true
that's true as well
ebbs and flows you know
but yeah
Declan's gone through
a bit of a rough patch
at the moment as well
so I hope he's doing alright
absolutely
he's doing better
fantastic
he likes the show
yeah
I don't know if he said loved
he said likes
maybe he said tolerates
he has to listen to it
as some sort of prison experiment.
Yes, that's right.
Oh, speaking about that,
can I just say something?
About prisons?
Yeah, well,
here's the thing.
You know how I enjoy
incongruous DVD box sets?
Oh, yeah.
And I ask listeners
to send something in
if they see one
in a video store
or something like that.
Yeah.
Well, I got two.
Nice, what have you got?
They're great.
Okay, the first one
from Andrew Richardson. It's pretty good. It's Die four oh yeah free or die hard right backed with x-men
origins wolverine which i think is a good combination because it's just like hey assholes
you like shooting well you're like stabbing too i guess stick that in your face right so that one's
pretty great right i enjoyed that one but in any other week that
would have won because that's great yeah however a friend of the show aaron mitten ah i love him
he's back he has sent us one it's a it's a triple pack yeah right and it's in too deep which is like
a crime film from 1999 with ll cool j is like a mob boss that sounds really good which is really
good right followed by attica which is a movie from the 80s.
It's got Morgan Freeman in it.
Right.
And it's like about the Attica prison riot from the 70s.
Okay.
So they kind of went in this sort of crime, but it's not really.
And you're like, is this just, have they just put movies with famous black people together?
That's what I think.
Like low budget.
Right.
And that's what you'd think if you're working down these really slowly.
But then you get to number three, which is Halloween H20.
20 years later.
That's even the one where I think Exhibit kicks Mike Myers to death or something.
Oh, maybe that's the connection.
No, no, it's a different one.
That's a different H20.
It might be Exhibit or Flo Rida or someone.
I don't know.
Maybe they've thought that In Too Deep was Deep Blue Sea.
Okay.
The LL Cool J killer shark movie.
And maybe they thought Morgan Freeman is Samuel L. Jackson,
who gets eaten by a shark.
Yeah.
Or they thought Morgan Freeman was the Saw killer.
Sure.
That's probably it.
What a combination.
Anyway, thank you, listeners.
Amazing.
Send any more if you've got them.
Funny you mentioned that.
S. Potter wrote it and said that he found one that has
L.A. Complex, the complete series,
Hitler, Rise of an Empire, and One Direction all for one,
but he doesn't have a picture.
Well.
Did it happen, Mason?
Did it happen? I don't know.
It's a tree falling in the woods scenario.
I'm going to take it on faith that it did happen,
but I would like to see.
Surely somebody else has seen that one.
I hope so.
Anyway, enough of my nonsense.
Enough of my self-indulgence.
There'll be more of that seconds from now.
Yeah, great.
Are you familiar with the new Star Wars cast?
Probably.
We talked about it.
We did talk about it last year.
You know Max von Sydow?
I do know him, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
They're saying that his character will be the villain,
and he'll be what's referred to as the Ancient Fear,
which is the subtitle, they say, rumoured to be for the new Star Wars.
That was a good sentence.
I feel like I have not done this in a while,
which isn't the case,
but I really struggled through that.
So he's The Ancient Fear.
Yeah.
Is that...
So it's Star Wars Episode VII, The Ancient Fear.
The Ancient Fear, and he is The Ancient Fear.
Okay.
Yeah.
So is this,
because they've destroyed the canon now,
like none of the expanded universe stuff is canon anymore. Is The Ancient Fear, is that... Because they've destroyed the canon now, like none of the Expanded Universe
stuff is canon anymore.
Is the Ancient Fury, is that, because they're sort of picking and choosing, is that anything
from the Expanded Universe?
Is there anything you can think of?
Ah, not off the top of my head, no.
I mean, there could be a lot of things.
There's always like a Sith ghost or a...
There is always a Sith ghost.
There's like a, there's always, you know, legendary Sith magician, wizard magician types.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, there's a guy in, I can't remember what he's in, but he magician types. Yeah, yeah.
Well, there's a guy, and I can't remember what he's in,
but he's in that Thrawn trilogy.
He's a cloned Jedi.
I can't remember what his name is,
but he's like a bearded old man who's this crazy Jedi.
Could be him.
Just could be just a Sith ghost, which it probably is.
My ancient fear is that I've left the iron on after I've left the house.
Sure.
Yeah, had it up for ages.
Have you?
Yeah. Like right now? Right now. As long as you sit it up I've left the house. Sure. Yeah. Had it up for ages. Have you? Yeah.
Like right now?
Right now.
As long as you sit it up, you'll be fine.
There you go.
I've solved your ancient fear.
That's a relief.
I hope it can be solved as easily in Star Wars Episode VII, The Ancient Fear.
Yeah.
You know, there was a number of TV showdowns for this week's place and Community was cancelled,
as I'm sure you heard.
A bunch of other crap.
You know what I heard?
I heard it on Twitter
Because a lot of people
Said RIP community
Yeah
And I didn't
I couldn't be bothered
Looking it up
So
I didn't watch
I understand the last
Couple of series improved
The last one was good
The one before
That was the one that
No Dan Harmon
Yeah Dan Harmon didn't do
Which is not that
It's okay
It's completely serviceable
So did they make
The legendary six seasons
In a movie
They made five seasons.
But it could be gone to Netflix or whatever.
It could be gone to Netflix, you're right.
There you go.
But Mason, you'll be happy to know that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. was renewed.
How about if they make that one season of Firefly count as the sixth season of Community?
And then Serenity is the movie.
Yeah, I think that would be good.
Absolutely.
Okay, good.
Sure.
Done.
Yeah, S.H.I.E.L.D. was renewed.
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
The cinematic universe is so strong. That's true, yeah. They'd be fools to cancel it, Mason. There we go. Okay, good. Sure. Done. Yeah, S.H.I.E.L.D. was renewed. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
The cinematic universe is so strong.
That's true, yeah. They'd be fools to cancel it, mate.
Fools.
Especially because it has gotten a lot better.
Agent Carter has been ordered.
Okay, great.
Set in 1946.
So that's a series run.
They're going to do the full thing.
Okay.
And the idea is that she works for an agency or whatever, and all the men have come back
from war, so she's kind of being pushed to the side.
But she does a whole lot of secret missions for Howard Stark.
So you know
that sounds pretty good.
I think they mentioned
in Captain America 2
that she ends up getting married
so maybe there'll be
a love interest or whatever.
Okay so two questions.
With the agent cut
does that mean
there is a pilot leaked
somewhere on the internet?
Can we find that yet?
Not at the moment.
That's a shame.
Okay and two
season two of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
are there Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
action figures yet
can I get an Agent Coulson
because he's all over the place
he's in
he's in the movies
he's in the TV series
he's in the comic books now
though he wasn't in any
of the phase three movies
well they all think he's dead
anyway
yeah that's true
and he's in the Spider-Man
he's in one of the
Spider-Man cartoons
he is yeah yeah
series as the headmaster
or something
or the principal
something like that yeah
yeah so where's the action figure
where's Principal Coulson
action figure
there probably is one for the Spider-Man series actually yeah okay you know but no or the principal? Something like that, yeah. Yeah, so where's the action figure? Where's Principal Coulson, action figure?
There probably is one for the Spider-Man series, actually.
Yeah, okay.
You know.
But no, I'm sorry.
Yeah, thank you.
You're forgiven.
Thank you.
I, Zombie was greenlit.
I haven't read that.
You read any of that?
No.
Me neither.
The Flash was greenlit,
no surprise there.
Okay, yeah.
Constantine was picked up,
no surprise there.
By any...
I think the same people
who do Gotham.
Oh, okay.
NBC?
I don't know.
We should check.
Nah, Fox.
I think it's Fox.
It is Fox, you're right.
And also, I don't really remember this, because I watched it earlier this week, but there
was a Gotham trailer for the Gotham TV series.
You watched it, right?
I watched it, yeah.
What did you think of that?
Well, we saw the...
Penguano?
We saw Penguano.
of that? Well, we saw the... Penguano? We saw
Penguano. We saw that
you know, we saw the on-set photos
you know, a couple of months back of him
of Ben McKenzie's sans mustache.
Was that that month that we harassed
Ben McKenzie? Yeah, with hashtag McKenzie mustache.
Yes. Thank you to
everybody for doing that for us, by the way.
And it was the
rooftop chase. He's chasing
somebody and we sort of see where that's leading. Yeah, chase. He's chasing somebody and we sort of see where that's leading.
Yeah, yeah.
He's chasing a guy.
He is.
He's chasing a guy who's like, there's got to be trouble for Gotham.
It was a little bit Men in Black.
It was.
Opening scene of Men in Black.
Where he's like confused.
Yeah, exactly.
Like ominous things, but he doesn't know what's up.
No, but he chases the guy across the roof.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, fair point.
And we see some... It's interesting that
we're seeing the people
who will become
Batman's nemeses.
Yeah.
But they're older than him.
Like, have you ever
thought of the Riddler
being older than Batman?
No, actually, I haven't.
Penguin I can see
is older than Batman.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
That's very interesting.
No black mask.
I assumed there would
have been a black mask.
Well, you can't introduce
everything at once.
They've got Fishmooney, Jada Pinkett Smith.
That's the main villain.
Great.
So that's good.
Yeah.
Fishmooney.
That classic Batman villain.
Fishmooney.
But the showrunner, Bruno Heller, says that we will see the Joker or pre-Joker Joker.
So I'm assuming leader of the Red Hood gang or it could be when he's the comedian.
There's a bunch of Joker origins.
See, I was just wondering about that
because we don't see him in the trailer.
No.
I think that's fraught with peril.
To not have him in the trailer?
No, I think it's fraught with peril to put him in the series.
I agree.
Because, I would like to hear your thoughts on it,
but first my thoughts.
Yeah.
I don't think the Joker works if he has a definitive origin.
Agreed.
I'd much prefer the idea
that he is so,
like that he doesn't,
that every time he tells,
like in the killing joke,
every time he tells his origin
it's different.
Yeah.
Either because
it amuses him to do that
or because he's so insane
that he can't remember
where he came from.
And to actually see his origin,
it takes a lot of the magic
out of it, I think.
I completely agree. It's a Wolverine origin situation
you know what I mean
I do
I do know what you mean
yeah that's exactly
what I was going to say
you took all those words
out of my mouth
I would have said them
much better
why don't you put them
in one of your bloody
news video posts then
do that hey
you son of a bitch
yeah alright
so yeah that's pretty good
also I think it was
the producer of the show said it's going to look better than the Dark Knight movies.
Really?
Yep.
It's bold.
That is very bold.
Yeah, okay.
So yeah, there you go.
I think it was the producer or somebody involved in it.
Should do more research.
I think what they mean is one of the sets.
Like all the sets are going to be in one of the school buses from the opening scene.
Okay, right.
They bought one of the school buses.
I'm just imagining dark alleys,
usually the same alley with different trash cans,
and just, like, smoke.
Like, that's what I'm picturing.
PG graffiti.
I think I've mentioned my love of PG graffiti.
Oh, yeah.
You suck.
I like rap.
You know, some of that.
Who doesn't?
Yeah.
Okay, now, you may have heard also, Mason, this week,
that Lionsgate and Saban Brands have...
Is this a Mighty Morphin Power Rangers thing?
You better believe it is.
Yay!
Did you hear this?
Yeah, I did, yeah.
Yeah, so they're making a live-action Power Rangers movie.
Another one.
There was one in, I think, 95.
There's been a couple, I think.
And there was one in 97, I think.
There was Power Rangers Sump Regular.
That's what it was called.
Original recipe.
Power Rangers Sump Regular.
Power Rangers Original Recipe.
Power Rangers Turbo.
And there was Turbo a Power Rangers movie
there we go
okay yeah yeah
I am
for me that came
for me
when I was a little bit older
I was still young
but I was off the back
of like Ninja Turtle
so I was kind of like
I'm over all this
karate nonsense
yeah yeah
I'm clearly not now
no
we're right back in
but uh
I like Power Rangers
good at it
whatever
it will be interesting
to see if they
are they gonna
actually make
new
mech battle sequences
like
or are they just gonna
find a slightly
bigger budget
you know
mech
Japanese
film
and just
steal those again
I'd be very surprised
the old series were just
they just refilmed
all the
high school stuff
and used the
footage and spliced it in
but because it's Lionsgate
who do like Hunger Games
and Twilight and all that
I'm assuming they'll put
a lot of money behind it
people love giant monsters
and mechs and shit man
people are into it
yeah
you're a fool
to think otherwise
yeah
alright
I remember the time right
I remember when
Power Rangers came out
I looked in the TV guide
as I do every week and be like what's on this week or whatever and it was like 4 o'clock and it was like a new show I remember when Power Rangers came out I looked in the TV guide as I do every week
and be like what's on this week or whatever
and it was like 4 o'clock and it was like a new show
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers
and I was like what is that? That's a ridiculous name
I'll check it out
and I watched it and I'm like okay this is interesting
this looks a lot like Voltron
because I was a big fan of Voltron
as you probably don't know
you remember how big a fan I was?
I remember your Volt remember how big a fan I was? Sure. And then as it progressed...
I remember your Voltron jammy jams.
One lion, each arm and leg.
And then when they all got their own robots,
I'm like, wait a minute.
And then they formed together to make a big guy.
And I got super angry.
And then they pulled out the sword.
And I just couldn't believe it.
I was like, this is outrageous.
Little did we know at the time that that is every...
Every Japanese...
Every, like...
I know.
Southeast Asian kind of action film for...
Action show for children is just people getting into robots
to combine into a bigger robot.
There's dozens.
If there was a hundred, I would not be surprised.
No.
I completely agree.
So, yeah, now I know.
How did they get away with it?
Nobody patented it in the first place.
That's a good point, yeah.
Also, we've got a lot of cop shows.
Yeah, we do have a lot of cop shows.
Gotham.
We've got a lot of good Australian cop shows, don't we?
No.
You're right, we have none.
Correct.
No, we don't have any.
There's never been one.
Well, we don't have police.
Oh yeah, that's right.
Mad Max is an accurate representation of Australian justice.
There's nothing to base it on. Somebody steal your petrol, you shoot them. That's right. Mad Max is an accurate representation of Australian justice. There's nothing to base it on.
If somebody steals your petrol, you shoot them.
That's right.
You leave them in the desert.
Oh, Mason.
Now we watched The Amazing Spider-Man 2.
Hang on, did I have another thought about Mighty Morphin Power Rangers?
You loved it.
No.
You loved the weird big suits.
No.
Why hasn't there been a Voltron movie yet?
Yeah, that's a good question.
Why are they bringing back Mighty Morphin Power Rangers?
I meant to bring that up.
This is going to kill the Voltron movie if this goes forward.
You get in first and all of a sudden that's what people...
Or will it, though?
Well, it depends how well it does, I guess.
And how shabby it looks.
It's going to look shabby.
I don't know, because it's Lionsgate.
If it was a smaller company, I would agree.
If it was the Asylum who produced Sharknado.
Yeah, exactly.
I think it'll be alright.
Okay.
Or not.
Will live? Yeah. exactly. I think it'll be alright. Okay. Or not. Will live?
Yeah.
Good.
The Amazing Spider-
I think there might be a speed race kind of situation where I don't see it and it doesn't
affect my life at all.
Did you ever see Speed Racer?
No, I didn't and it didn't affect my life at all.
I wonder if he won that race.
I'm going to say yeah.
Good.
Now we don't have to see it.
Great.
The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Mason.
It made $92 million in the US last weekend,
which is a lot of cash dollars, sure.
But that's fallen well short of what they wanted.
That's the fourth highest opening for a Spider-Man movie.
I think Spider-Man 3 opened with $150 million.
And the last one opened a little bit less.
And they were hoping for something like $120, I'd imagine.
Little do you know, Mason.
If somebody handed you
$92 million
and then said
but I could have handed you
$150 million
would you be upset?
No.
I would be
I guess.
We're just simple men, aren't we?
With simple pleasures, you know?
Simple dreams.
Yeah, yeah.
So, the interesting thing is though
this could be like
the law of diminishing returns
for Spider-Man movies
from now on.
Right.
I think people are sick
of Spider-Man movies.
We were okay with that movie, right?
It was fine.
Yeah, it's fine.
Yeah.
But I think, I mean, because I've been speaking to people who are not a fan of, you know,
comic book movies or whatever.
Uh-huh.
I'm like, did you see Captain America?
And they're like, I saw Captain America, I loved it, didn't expect it or whatever.
And I said, you know, do you see Spider-Man?
And they're like, no, because that's all I've seen.
Right, exactly, yeah.
So that's the problem right there.
And now they've taken this stance of no Miles Morales and whatever.
I mean, Sinister Six is an interesting concept that they'll go into, but if nobody sees
Spider-Man 3, nobody's going to...
Exactly, yeah.
Not that nobody's going to see it, but do you know what I mean?
No, you're putting your foot down and saying literally nobody's going to see it.
So yeah, I guess it's interesting, right?
Yes.
But anyway, on the back of that though, Mason,
X-Men Days of Future Past is tracking for $125 million opening weekend.
That's coming in like two weeks, right?
Yeah.
Though we're seeing it on Friday.
We're going to the premiere.
Oh, yeah, cool.
Remember I bought tickets cash tickets
with that 92 million
great
but yeah so
we might
you should remind me about that again
because I'll probably forget
okay cool
I might have scheduled something on Friday
I'll let me get out of that
sure no worries
which would be the biggest debut for the franchise
I'm just texting
sorry I can't make it
to your dad's funeral
Wolverine okay cool we're sorted I'm just texting, sorry I can't make it to your dad's funeral.
Wolverine.
Okay, cool, we're sorted.
FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies
on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London.
One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it
before thousands of lives are lost.
FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss,
is now streaming on Disney+.
So I think people are more excited for this movie.
I think it's the second most expensive film of all time
I've talked about this to make.
So I think it might do second most expensive film of all time I've talked about this to make. So yeah, I think it might do alright, Mason.
So I thought, why not a good a week as any to talk about X-Men movies?
So yeah, what, it's going to make bloody $92 million
because I'm going to go in and buy a large coconut popcorn.
Am I right? Am I right?
Expensive.
Absolutely.
You know you can bring other food into the cinema.
You don't need to buy that popcorn.
I'm sick of your cinema going
Embracing it
I'm embracing it
Yeah yeah
You can't do nothing
So I thought
Let's go through the history of the X-Men films
Talk a little bit about our favourites or whatever
And what's
We'll do this
Our patented
Best movie ever
Worst movie ever
Great
That's patented right
You took care of that
Ah
Look
Ah
We're in trouble
Shit Yeah We're gonna trouble. Oh, shit.
Yeah.
We're going to get sued by everybody.
So, yeah, but I wanted to ask you this first of all.
I've got two requests of you.
Okay.
One request.
Can you point out in each movie when and how Professor X gets Professor X?
Okay, great.
I'm ready.
For those not aware, that's when they write out the most powerful character who could
solve every scenario.
Yeah, it's at the point where they realize okay here's the tipping point if professor x is available he's going to end this this strife
so immediately immediately so let's yeah there you go slip on something second request yep can
you hum the x-men movie score no i can't no yeah start me off no i can't. No, you have to start me off.
No, I can't do it.
So I thought maybe I'll just put in this sweet intro to start, just to get everybody jazzed.
All right.
And you might think it's familiar because you just sung it. What a great theme song.
Pretty great, yeah.
Why didn't they just use that?
Yeah, with the claws slashing and the plane taking off.
Man.
Juggernaut running into another guy.
Yeah, absolutely.
So yeah, Mason.
People in the middle.
Innocent people.
Innocent people.
Killed.
X-Men, the year 2000. You remember that? We Innocent people. Killed. X-Men.
The year 2000.
You remember that?
We were both at school, I think.
Yeah.
Sure?
No, I graduated high school.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
You're still wearing my Letterman's jacket, though.
Keep it alive.
Yep.
I'm still hanging around the mall shop with my best girl.
Did you go to school reunion?
I was in the Jets.
No, I didn't.
Me neither.
We had a six month one.
That's way too early, right?
It was just people pointing out what phone they had.
That was basically it.
Now, I didn't rush out to see this movie at the time because it was on the back of a whole
bunch of just mediocre comic book movies.
Yeah, yeah.
And there was nobody in it that I was really interested in seeing.
I remember when Patrick Stewart was cast,
and I went, great casting, of course.
Yep.
But other than that, I was like, nah, not really.
And then what happened?
And then I saw it on VHS.
You were there, actually.
Huh.
And I loved it.
And it's pretty great.
I mean, it's a bit dated.
I mean, it was certainly better on the big screen, not on VHS. Did you go see the cinema? Yeah. Sure. Did you love it at the time? great i mean it's a bit dated i mean it was certainly better on the big screen not on vhs did you guys see the cinema yeah sure yeah did you love it at the time did you embrace
it i embraced it yeah yeah yeah embraced hugh jackman as a peer sure can we talk well we i
pulled this this photo up this is on like the internets i'm familiar because the x-men movies
have spanned like 14 years 13. 13, 14 years. Yeah.
And you've got your first...
You've got your early Hugh Jackman.
Yeah.
31 in X-Men.
Yeah.
And then over here in the Wolverine.
Ridiculous.
He's gotten ripped.
Yeah.
He's worked out like a mad dog.
Well, that's the thing.
Because I guess you wouldn't want to commit to working out that hard in the first one
just in case it doesn't fly, like the series doesn't fly.
Well, because there was a whole lot of people cast before him,
I'd imagine he came along pretty late as well.
Right, right, right.
But, yeah, there's a significant size difference in that.
And also, that wasn't really a requirement then, was it,
to get as big as you possibly could?
That's actually a good point, yeah.
It was kind of like, just work out a bit, I guess.
It doesn't really matter.
You'll mostly be in a leather suit, so forget it.
I mean, he still looked pretty good in that movie, didn't he?
Yeah.
Yeah.
We were both impressed.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Did you know, Mason, I've got a bunch of trivia for this as well.
I'm ready.
So, you know, this is the only X-Men film that's an original story.
All other films were based on stories from the comics.
Yeah.
X-Men First Class, though.
Yeah.
What's that based off?
There's a whole lot of young Magneto, young Xavier stuff.
No, I don't...
What is your source for that?
IMDBs.
Oh, okay.
It's okay.
That might be an old piece of trivia.
Might be, yeah.
I think that's based on 1, 2, and 3.
X-Men 2.
God Loves Man Kills.
X-Men 3, Phoenix Saga, and the Joss Whedon one about the mutant cure.
Yep, okay.
Wolverine Origins is based on an Origins Wolverine comic.
Correct.
The Wolverine's based on the Japanese saga.
I'm pretty sure First Class is based off a bunch of stuff, though.
Yeah, I would say so.
I might be wrong.
That's too general, yeah.
Yeah, you're right.
That's all trivia.
Lift your game IMDB trivia section.
I bet we'll have some outdated goofs as well.
You know?
Do you know Robert Rodriguez and Tim Burton were approached to direct?
As a team?
As a team.
That'd be great.
I'd watch that.
Me too.
They turned it down in favour of other films.
The Robert Rodriguez one I wouldn't mind seeing,
but no, I don't want to see a Tim Burton expert.
Absolutely not.
God no.
Richard Donner was approached.
Don't want to see it. Joel Schumacher was was approached don't want to say it joel schumacher
was approached i want to say that must have been around before batman and robin came out but they're
like well he's done the batman so he could probably do it brett ratner who eventually did do one
don't want to say that no either of them joel mctiernan die hard die hard okay and i had to
did he has he ever maybe didn Did he... Has he ever...
Maybe he didn't do Die Hard 2.
Has he ever done anything that isn't...
That is superhero-y or supernatural or anything like that?
He did Supernatural.
The TV show Supernatural.
That's not true.
I can check.
Do you want me to check?
Please do.
I like how we pick and choose what we look up.
Like, it's just sometimes they're like,
nope, it's against the rules of the show.
But other times they're like, yeah, we'll stick it up.
Because I know I'd be fascinated.
Is it just because he's a good action director?
I would say so.
I don't think they were looking for a comic book director then necessarily
because there weren't that many of them.
That's true. Except for the ones that I did mention. They were making the rules. They necessarily because there weren't that many of them. That's true.
Except for the ones that I did mention.
They were making the rules.
Yeah, yeah.
They were making the rules and breaking the rules.
That's it.
What I enjoyed a lot actually in X-Men 1 is the villains were very good.
They took what I would consider a terrible villain like Toad and they gave the role to
Ray Park who's Darth Maul.
Yeah, killing it.
And killing it.
Yeah, exactly.
They made...
I like a villain...
I like a hero or a villain that knows what they're doing.
Yes.
Like the Grant Morrison Justice League comic was great
because everybody on that team knew what they were doing.
That's why they were the best.
And similar in X-Men 1,
the bad guys are in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants because they are the best.
All Toad can do is stick to walls and phlegm and he's got a long tongue and he can take down half the team by himself.
Yeah.
Because he knows what he's doing.
Very good point.
You ready for this?
I'm ready.
Nomads, 1986.
Never heard of it.
Predator, 1987.
Oh, yeah.
Never heard of it.
Die Hard, Hunt for Red October, Medicine Man, Last Action Hero, Die Hard with a Vengeance. So Never heard of it Die Hard Hunt for Red October
Medicine Man
Last Action Hero
Die Hard with a Vengeance
So we didn't do Die Hard 2
We did the two best Die Hards
There you go
13th Warrior
Haven't seen
Thomas Crown
Haven't seen
Rollerball
And the last one
Was Basic
And there's one upcoming
Project called Red Squad
Which is apparently amazing
Never heard of it
Don't know anything about it
Exactly yeah
So yeah there you go
I think it would have been
An okay choice I guess I mean Roller go. I think it would have been an okay choice, I guess.
I mean, Rollerball was pretty great.
It might have been one...
I reckon if he'd done it, it would have been more of a...
more of a film where they were much more of like a paramilitary team.
It was less mutant powers.
I reckon they all would have had guns.
Yeah, you're probably right.
Yeah, good point.
Did you know Wolverine's line mates?
Oh, sorry, there's a few other ones who were considered.
Danny Boyle.
That would have been interesting.
Yeah, because you love Danny Boyle.
I do.
Yeah, yeah.
Fuck you.
I do love Danny Boyle.
Stephen Hopkins.
No, no, him.
Yeah, no idea.
Irvin Kershner.
I thought you were going to say Stephen Hawking.
Oh, imagine.
Stephen Dorff.
Oh.
He would have been a good blood monster from Blade
absolutely
Erwin Kirshner
who did Empire Strikes Back
though
I don't think he did
what's he done since then
well he's dead
but
what's he done for us lately
huh
but he hasn't done anything
what an arsehole
he hasn't done anything
as good as
Empire Strikes Back
I don't think anyway
yeah
to break our cardinal rule Mason
I can check though
please do
and he
you know what
this is the
looking it up episode
we're going to
look up everything
there's going to be
a lot of pauses
where we look up
unimportant information
that all our listeners
probably know anyway
and they're just
shouting at us
going of course
we know he did that one
and he did this and this
he's so ignorant
oh he did an episode
of Sequest TSV
I did Robocop 2
he did Never Say Never Sequest DSV. I did Robocop 2. Yep.
He did Never Say Never Again, which is probably terrible.
Yep.
No, a bunch of other stuff. What season of Sequest DSV was it?
Was it the one where they were in space?
Episode 1.
Oh.
So, the best one?
Yeah.
That was the best, yeah.
You also did...
Do you remember the show Amazing Stories?
Yep.
Did a few episodes of that.
That was the theme of that.
Yeah.
I know it. This is the same and looking stuff
up episode there's a bunch of stuff from like the 50s and 60s which i do not recognize do you know
the young captives no it's one of the class classics one of the greats masons i don't know
it so yeah but that was all before brian single was chosen there was a john wayne film called
they were expendable no no i know i I was just curious to know whether they initially attempted to make...
You know, because there's The Expendables.
Yeah.
You're familiar with that.
I'm familiar.
I was wondering if they were like, hey, let's streamline this.
Because I haven't seen it.
And maybe that's the basis for those films.
It's possible.
I hope they bring back a digitized John Wayne.
But they get back the John Wayne where he played Genghis Khan.
And he's taped the eyelids. So yeah yeah I know right yeah I would like to see them resurrect dead action
heroes Steve would you watch Expendables 4 if Steve McQueen was in it no out of principle
because I love Steve McQueen and that's very uncool because Steve McQueen and Stylist alone
are very different and Steve McQueen's a legend and I don't care for Stallone. But what if, what if they have like,
like a natural on-screen chemistry?
You know,
Sylvester Stallone
and dead Steve McQueen.
How,
how is that possible?
Stallone has zero chemistry.
Aside from the chemistry
he pumps into his weird physique.
Zing.
Zing.
Human growth hormone Zing.
So,
yeah,
I guess if it was amazing.
Come on,
you'd watch that.
I guess I would.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All my heroes are dead, Mason.
I know. Fuck it. Wait a second. Oh yeah, sorry. Thank that. I guess I would. Yeah. Yeah. All my heroes are dead, Mason. I know.
Fuck it.
Wait a second.
Oh, yeah, sorry.
Thank you.
For now.
Ooh.
Yeah, no, I would say that.
But I was going to say about that.
When is Expendables 3 out?
This year.
Because you made that pact, remember?
What was the pact?
It was something about Harrison Ford.
If he says, get off my plane.
If he doesn't say, get off my plane, you have to...
I have to shoot myself.
Yeah.
That's right.
Let's say not to death, though.
No. Let's just end up in the lake. That's... I have to shoot myself. Yeah. That's right. Let's say not to death, though. Let's just end up in the lake.
No, I have to do it.
I'm a man of my word, Mason.
Fine.
Except when it comes to looking things up or not looking things up.
Correct.
You know the Wolverine's line, what do they call you, wheels?
That was ad-libbed by Hugh Jackman, who hates people in wheels.
Because he hates people with disabilities, yeah.
And did you know, I didn't know this, but Storm has an African accent in this, and it's
the only one that she used it in.
Did you pick that up?
I mean, I haven't seen it recently, but...
I would have said she had a vague sort of accent.
Yeah.
I couldn't have said what region it was from.
Nah.
What region of Africa?
You don't know your African regions.
And also, she's only got about three lines in that whole film.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Including the famous, what happens to a toad when it gets hit by lightning?
The same thing that happens to everything else.
And you delivered that better than Sherry did.
Well, apparently it was supposed to be flat like that.
Like, who cares?
Yeah.
Same thing that happens to everything else.
Just like an offhand.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I'm a very good actor.
You are.
Do you know Bridesmaid's first choice to play Wolverine was Russell Crowe, but he had to
turn it down for monetary reasons.
Do you want to hear some other names?
Of course you do.
Because he couldn't get through the door, mate. Too wide. Fat Russell Crowe but he had to turn it down for monetary reasons. Do you want to hear some other names? Of course you do. Because he couldn't
get through the door
mate.
Too wide.
Fat Russell Crowe.
He was trim then.
He was doing
gladiators and
muscles.
you're right.
He's up and down
mate that guy.
He certainly doesn't
work out like a mad
dog but you know
he keeps it.
It's interesting that
both his choices
were aggressive
Australian men.
I was trying to
think of a way to
say Antipodean.
Somebody from Australia or New Zealand.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Because we don't want Russell Crowe anymore.
Wait, do we want Russell Crowe?
Well, he hasn't done anything lately that we're against.
He hasn't thrown a phone at anyone.
Okay, he's Australian again.
Good.
No, some other names include...
I was going to bring something up.
I'm going to say, I can remember some of these options, I think.
Sure, what have you got?
Glenn Danzig?
Yeah, well, that was in the early 90s okay right and he was up or we're
not upset but he didn't see the x-men movie because he was like it looks it's looks it's
ridiculous or he did say he hated it and that's when they wanted really short people yeah who is
really sure he's really short but he was famously quoted as saying if he did it, he would have played the role less gay. He said that.
Wow.
So, yeah.
But I think they, at the time, I think he was approaching 40 and they wanted someone younger.
Because he's been around for quite a while.
I think Glenn Danzig is gay.
Let me check.
I'm going to look that up.
Really?
Yeah.
Okay, fair enough.
Aaron Eckhart?
Don't say it.
Jean-Claude Van Damme?
Don't say it. And don't like it. Damme. Don't say it and don't like it.
Viggo Mortensen.
That would work. Yeah. Edward Norton.
Bearing in mind this is
off the back of American History X.
Not. Yeah, maybe.
I'm going to give you a maybe. Give you a maybe.
Alright, cool. I've got one other amazing one which was revealed
this week while you look up whether Glenn
Danzig. His name's not Glenn, is it?
No, it is Glenn. It's Glenn Danzig.
Is it? Cool.
No, don't worry about it.
It's irrelevant.
The other one, and this only came out this week.
In 1997, this piece of concept art was drawn up.
Only recently surfaced.
That is Mel Gibson.
Wow. That's very late 80s, early 90s.
They wanted Mel Gibson, apparently.
People were saying that he should get the role now,
for like an old Wolverine.
And I think he'd be good, but at the same time,
he doesn't deserve it, and he shouldn't get it.
Because he's a bad person.
Yeah, and he's not Australian.
And he's not Australian.
He's lost his Australian...
Yeah, that's it.
I'm thinking of Rob Halford from Judas Priest.
Okay.
He's gay.
But he also said... Irrelevant, as we put it. Irrelevant,ord from Judas Priest Okay He's gay But he also says
Irrelevant
As we put it, irrelevant
But it's just
He also said the same thing though
Yeah
So, you know
There you go
Do you know there's a continuity error in this, Mason?
In this movie?
There's a bit like
These movies are riddled with continuity errors
I just want to talk about this one though
Okay, I'm ready
There's a scene that was praised by fans, right?
Because when
Us
Yes, us particularly When Iceman is talking and it's a scene that was praised by fans, right? Us? Yes.
Great.
Us, particularly.
When Iceman is talking and it's a sunny day and he's got like an ice breath.
Just a little touch.
Right, right, right.
It's nice, right?
But it turns out to be the scene where Mystique is impersonating him, meaning he wouldn't
have ice breath.
Correct, that's true.
So it's all amazing but wrong.
So good work.
Well, well, yeah.
Well captured.
Yeah.
Unless she can do that as well, but I don't think that's in her skill set.
No, it isn't.
But, no prize this.
She has some crushed ice in her mouth.
Okay.
There we go.
Because she is a perfectionist.
Absolutely.
Oh, I've got some other names here I forgot to mention.
Gary Sinise for Wolverine.
Yep, okay.
Keanu Reeves for Wolverine.
Nope.
Doug Ray Scott.
I was going to say that.
That's the one I was thinking of.
He was cast.
Yep. He then went on to be in Desperate say that. That's the one I was thinking of. He was cast. Yep.
He then went on to be in Desperate Housewives, Mission Impossible 2.
Not in that order.
And then he died of a broken heart.
Oh, okay.
But yeah, apparently Hugh Jackman ran into him at one point and he kind of just like
apologized, sort of.
He's like, he didn't really know what to say properly.
Right.
What do you say?
Like, I stole your career.
Yeah.
Essentially.
And then relatively...
My bad.
But that happens all the time.
All the time.
It's just a weird twist of fate.
There's always...
We always talk about roles people could have had.
And you think of somebody like...
Like delicious roles.
Yeah, delicious.
Like a cinnamon roll.
Yeah.
But like when you...
An example is Sean Connery.
Yeah.
And he has like this endless list of things that he could have done, but he didn't understand
them.
And then they turned out to be huge hits.
And then he did something because he thought it was similar,
and then it turned out to be a disaster or whatever.
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
The Matrix slash League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
Slash Lord of the Rings.
But he's also been in tons of amazing films.
These lists go on forever.
Pretty much in Hollywood,
everybody is considered for every role at a certain point.
Yes, absolutely.
But I feel like he's never quite bounced back from that.
No, that's true.
But there you go.
Yeah.
Did you know also that...
You should call his buddy Joe McTiernan.
Yeah.
From Punt for Red October.
Absolutely.
Oh, yeah.
Good point.
Okay, I'm ready.
Wait, Sean Connery?
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
I meant...
I mean, the other guy didn't bounce back.
Oh, Dougray Scott.
Dougray.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a shame. Would you know if you saw him on the street? Yeah. Hmm. guy didn't bounce back. Oh, Dougray Scott. Dougray. Yeah. Yeah, that's a shame.
Would you know if you saw him on the street?
Yeah.
I wouldn't say anything.
But I'd know.
Is that because he's your mailman?
You know how there's like a Magneto background in this?
It's at the start.
It's a great opening scene and they replicate it in first class.
That's not reused footage in first class? No, they reshot that. With a different actor? With a different actor. Okay, right. Well, it's a great opening scene and they replicated it in first class. That's not reused footage in first class?
No, they reshot that.
With a different actor?
With a different actor.
It's a kid.
I don't know what a kid is.
Kids age, basically.
I know.
They had Rogue's background as well.
Similarly, they sort of had Rogue.
They had Storm and Cyclops' backgrounds scripted and storyboarded.
And Storm's involved her changing the weather
dramatically in Africa
and it just wrecks a whole bunch of stuff.
She made it rain.
Yes.
With cash.
She sure did.
In a strip club.
Yes.
And Cyclops, that involved him,
his powers manifesting as a teenager
when he's in a school bathroom
and he just tears it apart.
So yeah, that's interesting.
And that bathroom will come into play later, Mason.
So remember that.
In the opening sequence of Casino Royale?
Yes.
Were they going to have him,
because originally he could control his eye power,
his optic blast,
but then he got a head injury.
Hit to the head, yeah.
Were they going to have him be in control of that?
I don't think so.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that streamlines it.
You don't want to build in a car crash scene.
Nah, absolutely not. Have I talked about in the podcast
how much I hate the car crash angle?
Oh, is this where there's a guy...
We haven't talked about this.
Yeah, two people are in a car, maybe. They're having a
conversation, right? Yeah, yeah. And then
the camera angle cuts
to perhaps the driver's perspective.
Oh, you know what? The passenger's perspective,
they're looking at the driver. Yeah. And you can see the driver's perspective. Oh, you know what? The passenger's perspective, they're looking at the driver.
Yeah.
And you can see the person's face
and you can see a little space to the side.
You can see out the window.
Yeah.
Like what you can see outside the window.
There's a weird blank.
There's a weird blank space.
You're like, what's going to happen in that?
I feel really tense
anytime you see that angle,
the car crash angle.
Because you know what?
A truck's going to come
or a dinosaur,
usually,
or a murderer.
You know? You're right. I hate it. I hate that angle. You hate it a truck's gonna come or a dinosaur usually or a murderer you know you're right i hate it i hate that angle you hate it because it's poor filmmaking or you hate it because
it makes you like tense both of those things yeah what were we talking about i've forgotten
bathroom seeds from x-men remember i said to remember that fact yep comes into play right
now should i note it down no but you can forget this immediately fantastic this is for you guys
at home as well the bathroom set was the one used in X-Men 2.
Remember when Mystique...
No, I don't remember a bathroom sequence in X-Men 2.
No, it is when Mystique grabs that security guard and she's like, I'm going to have sex
with you.
But then she like knocks him out and injects him with the metal.
That's the same bathroom set.
Yeah.
So recycling in movies, Mason.
Yeah, okay.
It's great.
I've got one more piece of trivia.
I'm ready.
Ready?
Hugh Jackman got his testicles caught in his harness.
I thought that was going to go somewhere else.
And I was going to be like, maybe he got his testicles caught in the...
Like, I was going to make a sweet joke about somebody getting their testicles caught.
But apparently, somebody's made that joke for me, and that someone is life.
Hugh Jackman got his testicles caught in his harness after a six foot jump
off the set's
Statue of Liberty.
Have you ever been in a harness
and you get your testicles
a little squashed?
No.
It's very unpleasant.
I'm not surprised.
I'd be surprised
if you were surprised.
Didn't he also arrive
on like the set of Oprah?
Yes.
When Oprah came to Australia
he came down on a big zip line and he like crashed at the end.
That's right.
And cut his face.
Oh yeah.
But like a hero, like a great Australian hero.
Yep.
He moved on.
Fantastic.
Every story I've heard about Hugh Jackman, and I've heard stories from people who have
met him, say he's like the best guy in the world.
I've also heard that.
Yeah, yeah.
You got any you want to recount?
No.
Okay.
He rescued me from burning building once
he said don't talk about it but i'm talking about it anyway i'll tell a huge ackman story another
day mason because it's not that interesting okay x-men 2 x-men united it's weird though at the time
i remember walking out about out of this because i was so pumped and i was a little bit disappointed
but this movie's great it's grown on you absolutely like the second oh wait did we say
x-men 1 best movie ever or worst movie well for on you. Absolutely. Like the second time I watched it. Oh wait, did we say X-Men 1,
best movie ever or worst movie ever?
Well, for the time,
definitely best movie ever.
The black suits,
I know people don't agree with that
and whatever,
but it was a different time, Mason.
It was a different era.
It was a simpler time.
It was a time when you had to wear a black suit.
Exactly.
What do you think?
I'm going to say best movie ever.
I enjoyed it a lot.
I would go back to it again.
It's a fun film.
It is a fun film.
Yeah, it's a fun...
Film. Film. Well put. Thank you. It's a fun film. It is a fun film. Yeah, it's a fun... Film.
Film.
Well put.
Thank you.
X-Men 2, X-Men United.
Yeah, what did you think of that at the time?
It wasn't called X-Men United over here, though, right?
No, it was just called X-Men 2, I think.
Yeah.
Good.
X-Men United.
I don't know.
I don't make the rules.
It's like The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Rise of Electro, which it's called here.
Yeah.
Ridiculous. should I just go
as trivia then
have you got
zero opinions
on this movie
do I have opinions
okay what happened
in that one
give me the
quick answer
there was a
striker
oh that's right
oh we forgot
about the
when does
when does
Picard
I was gonna say
Picard
yeah Picard
when does
Professor X
get Professor X
in X-Men 1
well
well
Mystique
puts the
black goo in Cerebro right I think it puts the black goo in Cerebro, right?
I think it's blue.
It's blue goo in Cerebro.
And then he uses Cerebro and he gets Professor X'd.
How does that work?
Because it doesn't go into him.
It's just in the helmet.
Like, that goo doesn't go into his head.
It's probably that goo that they use to clean combs at a hairdresser's.
You know that stuff?
Okay.
Yeah.
I didn't know that was such a thing.
You know that stuff?
Okay.
Yeah.
I didn't know that was such a thing.
And that, because he's a bald man, was so just outrageous to him that he had a fit.
He'd spent his whole life just... Remember he had that beautiful head of hair?
He did.
And then he lost it all.
And he was like, I swear I will never encounter anything that you might find in a hairdresser.
I'll never encounter hot rollers.
I'll never look at them again.
I'll never wear one of those cape things.
I've got to stay away.
And then she put the blue goo in and he's like, no!
And then it just knocked him right out.
I'll never have a banal conversation with a hairdresser.
Yeah, about what I'm going to do on the weekend.
That neither of us care about.
Yeah.
Did you know, Mason, in X-Men 2, X-Men United?
Oh, we're back to X-Men 2.
No, yeah yeah i'm ready
ian mccallum worked with screenwriters in the scene where bobby drake tells his parents that
he's a mutant to make it more like a kind of coming out oh interesting yeah that is a quite
a quite a good scene though as well it's got some amusing touches to it as well would you really be
that upset if your kid like had like amazing powers um i'd be concerned that they'd be taken away by the government.
Oh yeah.
Experimented on.
Yeah, fair point.
But other than that, you could be like Bobby Drake.
Check out what my kid could do.
I would.
If I had the Iceman kid, I'd like go to public swimming pools with him and make him like freeze it as people jump in.
Goodness.
Just cracking skulls and spines.
That's what I'd do.
Just being a public man. It's fantastic. Yep. You know the bit where everybody freezes? Where Professor X. Goodness. Just cracking skulls and spines. That's what I'd do. Just being a public man.
It's fantastic.
Yep.
You know the bit where everybody freezes?
Where Professor X.
Yep.
Professor X's everybody.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they all freeze.
They're all like mimes and stuff.
That's not an effect.
Oh, interesting.
Like street performers and mimes and whatnot.
That's a good use of practical technology.
Well, I'm going to go straight into the Professor X-ing.
Because what happens in X-Men 2, if I recall, because he goes to visit Magneto in the plastic prison.
Yeah.
And then...
Which is a great scene, that whole thing.
Yeah, that's good.
When he breaks out.
But then he realises that they were going to capture him.
Yeah.
To put him in the fake Cerise.
He knew he was going to be Professor X-ed.
Yeah, he knew he was going to be Professor X-ed, right?
And they gas the room.
Yeah. Knock him out. They Professor X'd. Yeah, he knew he was going to be Professor X'd, right? And they gas the room. Yeah.
Knock him out.
They Professor X'd him.
But, because we just talked about, right in the first scene, he freezes everybody's minds
within, you know, several hundred yards.
Oh, yeah.
So why couldn't he just...
Professor X everyone.
Professor X everybody in that room.
Be like, even if the gas is going, you go, okay, everybody stop Professor X-ing me.
Like switch the gas off.
You two come down and guard me until the gas is cleared.
You come revive me.
Yep.
Exactly.
And then he's sorted.
Really good point.
Yeah.
That's a different scene from the breakout scene as well, isn't it?
That's like an earlier scene.
Yeah.
Oh man.
Great movie though.
Yeah. let's say
there was some psychic buffers or something sure whatever yeah yeah yeah great that's a no prize
right there thank you um ethan embry won run the what it was it was all set in a giant version of
magneto's helmet if you go to the outside of the prison it's just big helmet shaped purple
did you know mason ethan embry won the role of Nightcrawler after Alan Cummings had to step out?
But he came back.
Oh.
What do you think of Ethan Embry?
You've seen Can't Hardly Wait.
Yeah.
He's fine.
Yep.
He wouldn't have been as religious-y, I wouldn't think.
No, he doesn't have the chops.
No chops.
Alan Cummings has always, they've talked about getting it back or whatever but every time he's always like I'm not getting in that make up again
right exactly
it took 10 hours
to become Nightcrawler
in the scene
where he's like
fully covered
where he's got the little
religious tattoos
and whatever
which I think you said
are entirely unnecessary
absolutely they are
that's never been part
of the character
as far as I know
I think he was a little bit
Catholic
yeah
I think he became a priest
at one point
didn't he
or he was training
or whatever
well
less tattoos
less tattoos.
Less tattoos.
Or catechisms.
Sure.
I don't know what that means.
Yeah.
Did you know Mason, when Wolverine is in the adamantium processing chamber, do you remember that?
Where he goes and he's like, where did I come from?
Right, right.
Uh-huh.
My memories are coming back to me, sort of.
You remember?
Yeah.
They really need to drop that whole memory thing.
It's been long enough, don't you think?
Yeah.
They dropped it in the comics.
Just have him remember stuff.
Also, it's not a bullet to the head that gives him his trauma.
It's like, isn't it his mutation, his healing factor that like blocked out memories?
Sort of papers over painful memories.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's pretty cool.
Like being shot in the head, like that kind of painful memory.
Being shot in the head with adamantium bullets.
Here's something for you.
It's probably a combination of things.
I'm sure it is.
Bad luck.
Some other stuff.
There's also an x-ray
of what appears to be
like a metal wing.
Oh, like an archangel wing.
Yeah, yeah.
And so alluding to archangels.
So yeah, so there you go.
That's pretty interesting.
And then he turns up
in a later film.
Yeah.
Briefly.
And saves his dad from a window.
As a regular angel, yeah.
As a regular angel, yeah, yeah.
Do you know, Mason?
Yes.
During the scene where Professor X is Professor X-ing everybody in the world.
No.
Stryker's son is Professor X-ing everybody in the world.
There's a bit where, you know, he's trying to kill all the mutants.
Well, they were going to include scenes where Hank McCoy turns into, like, the Beast.
Right, right.
Okay.
Because Hank McCoy's actually in this movie.
You see him on the television
in human form
it's not Kelsey Grammer
there's a whole lot
of
moments in these movies
where it's like
a lot of continuity errors
a lot of continuity
I mean for example
Kitty Pryde is played
by three different actors
in the first three
X-Men movie
there's also
there's also
there's going to be
a bit of like Gambit
and he's gambling
and he's got his cards
he's Gambitling
thank you
and his cards explode his hands or whatever butitling he's gambling thank you he's gambitling
and his cards explode
his hands or whatever
but you don't see his face
because they can
now I
but they shot this as well
yeah
Kelsey Grammar is the beast
in human form
he doesn't necessarily
have to look like
Kelsey Grammar though
that's a good point
and also I'm gonna
I'm gonna no prize this one
and just say
he had a little image inducer
like in the comic books
he's always had a little device
like a holographic device so he can look human.
And I'd say, buy X-Men 3.
He's like, I don't care anymore.
I'm going to look blue.
Jam it.
Yeah.
Jam it, society.
Oh, man.
There were some sets in this movie that were not used.
They had the danger room, which they didn't use.
People were clamoring.
Which came back for X-Men 3.
It did.
Yeah, yeah.
There was also going to be a setting, like an underground base, where they were going
to have a nightcrawler toad fight.
How good would that have been?
That would have been great.
Yeah.
Okay.
But he never came back toad.
People say that he came back in three, because there's a guy who kind of looks like Toad.
Say he came back in spirit.
Nope.
Nope.
There's a guy who looks like Toad in three.
Anytime I blow my nose too hard and snot and blood comes out
he was there
anytime I stick my tongue
on a cold pole in winter time
sticks
Toad
he's there
anytime I pull somebody's glasses off
and lasers shoot out of their eyes
yes I know it's not a laser
it's a concussive force blast.
I know.
Don't email.
There's a whole lot of misconceptions
about Cyclops' eyes as well.
Like, isn't it that
that energy shoots out
is like from another dimension
and his body's like a conduit for it?
Isn't it something like that?
I don't think so.
I think it's
he absorbs ambient energy from the air.
That's part of it
but that's what opens the
the dimensions in his eyes or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, no, that's a thing.
Shaquille O'Neal apparently badly wanted to be in this film and actively...
I was going to say complained.
Right?
He may have complained.
That sounds like Shaq.
Bloody typical.
Didn't get it.
Who could have he been?
Anyone, I guess.
Any giant mutant.
Yeah, I guess so.
Juggernaut.
Colossus?
Colosso.
But Colossus is Russian. Yeah. Doesn't matter, I guess. They're not black Russians. Hownaut colossus colosso but the colossus is Russian
yeah
doesn't matter
they're black Russians
how dare you
I'm drinking one right now
oh
I love the sauce
there was also
a scene
that
David Hayter
I don't know who that is
screenwriter
yep
he was disappointed
because he felt that
James Marsden
deserved more screen time
which I agree with
yeah yeah
because he gets
Professor X'd he'd pretty early on.
And then he comes back and then he fights a gene.
And then he's like, I'm fine, don't worry about it.
And then that's it.
Because he's great, but that character is so criminally underwritten.
It really is.
There's also an extended scene that doesn't appear in the final film, Mason.
Nor is there an additional scene.
But apparently it exists where Cyclops fights Lady Deathstrike and he picks up two nightstick
things, prison guard nightsticks, and fights her.
How good would that be?
Great.
Yeah.
There are a lot of great action sequences that were not filmed for this.
Yeah.
And we were left with some okay action sequences.
No, no. This was another one that was filmed.
But I guess because they did one with Wolverine,
so you're not going to do another one, I guess.
Exactly.
And one of those...
Oh, no, that would have been at the plastic prison
because she's at the plastic prison.
Right, right, yeah, okay.
God damn it.
Hmm.
Anyway.
According to Bryan Singer,
this is the first film featuring a woman
piloting an American military aircraft.
Huh.
Apparently that's not true, though.
Oh, great.
He said that.
Right.
Not true.
Yeah.
So I guess Mason.
He says a lot of things.
He does, doesn't he?
I enjoyed this film.
I'm definitely going to say best movie ever.
Yeah.
I'm going to say also, the fight sequence between Wolverine and Lady Deathstrike is great.
Sure.
But especially because he hasn't reached that level
of super invulnerability yet.
Yep.
He reaches the peak
at sort of X-Men 3.
Yeah.
But you can clearly see
that this...
She could kill him
because she's got that bit
where she's got him pinned
and stabbing him
multiple times.
Yeah.
That's a solid action sequence.
That is.
It really is.
She's a cyborg, isn't she?
Yes.
Was she a cyborg in that?
Yes.
I don't think she was.
No, she was, because the...
I thought that was just adamantium stuff inside her.
Yeah, but they were cyborg-y.
I don't think so.
They were extendable claws.
Yeah, Wolverine's got extendable claws.
Yeah, but they're not...
There's no arguing with you, is there?
I'm going to say she's not a cyborg.
I'm going to say best movie ever because she is a cyborg.
Okay.
I guess I have to say worst, then?
Yep, that's right.
I really enjoy it, but them's the rules.
That is the rules, exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
X-Men 3, Mason.
This is when many people say the franchise took a downward franchise.
Uh-huh, they did.
I don't think it's that bad.
Uh, it's not as...
It's okay.
It's okay.
There are... Well, there is one specifically much worse film. Correct. it's okay it's okay there are
well there was one
specifically much worse film
correct
but I remember at the time
I was like
that was an okay way
to end this whole thing
that happened
what did you think
at the time of it
2006
yeah it was fine
there you go
they had that
sentinel fake out in it
they did everybody was very excited I think that was the first let down yeah is that we think They had that Sentinel fake out in it.
They did. Everybody was very excited.
I think that was the first letdown.
Yeah.
Is that we think this is going to be...
We thought this was going to be Days of Future Past.
Well, that was a homage to Days of Future Past.
And the first time we saw the Danger Room.
Two things people want to see.
Yep.
That's kind of the Spider-Man 3, bring in Venom, kill him straight away kind of thing.
Yeah, nah, you're right.
Oh, they want to see the Danger Room, they want to see Sentinels.
Well, those things are silly.
Let's put them in the opening sequence and then reveal that they're dumb.
Yep, absolutely.
Also, do you know Gambit was supposed to be in this movie?
Hmm.
Did we have an actor?
Nah.
Did we pick out him?
I mean, there was a number, I think a number of people went for it and whatever usual names
throw it up, just name a white actor.
That guy from Arrow.
Yep.
He was up for it.
So there you go.
But he was removed from the script.
Oh, here we go.
Channing Tatum was up for the role.
He's apparently up for it right now.
That's right.
He's been working on his accents.
That was when, I think I've mentioned this before, where Taylor Kitsch and him were going
head to head for the same roles.
That's right, yeah. And he won the Gambit role eventually, Taylor Kitsch and him were going head to head for the same roles. That's right, yeah.
And he won the Gambit role eventually, Taylor Kitsch, but he won the wrong Gambit role.
Do you think one day Taylor Kitsch and Channing Tatum will meet on the street and Channing
Tatum will apologize for stealing his career?
Yes.
I hope so.
Do you know...
What else happened in X-Men 3?
Anything interesting?
The bridge bit was cool.
Yep.
That was apparently carried over from another movie though.
That's right. From a previous movie. The casting? The bridge bit was cool. Yep. That was apparently carried over from another movie though. That's right.
From a previous movie.
The casting of Beast
was great.
That was actually
the guy who directed
First Class.
What's his name?
Oh, Matthew Vaughn.
Matthew Vaughn.
That was his casting choice.
Okay.
He also brought on
Vinnie Jones as the Juggernaut.
Ugh.
Which is not as good.
There's nothing wrong
with Vinnie Jones.
That is a very poorly... He looks like he's had some head injuries. I think there's something wrong with Vinnie Jones. That is a very poorly...
He looks like he's had some head injuries.
I think there's something wrong with Vinnie Jones.
Well, yeah, probably.
I mean, it's a casting choice.
Listen, that juggernaut, that's a very poorly designed juggernaut.
Yes, it is.
I think, obviously, they have to...
They wanted to keep X-Men in sort of a real-worldy kind of situation.
They wanted everything to look...
You know, they don't want him to be 10 feet tall.
No.
That would be ridiculous.
That's it.
Or however tall the juggernaut's supposed to be.
Yeah, yeah.
So they had to make him just a weird buff-looking man.
In a weird rubber muscle suit.
Yeah.
No, it doesn't work at all.
No.
Don't like it.
Yeah.
Well, this is...
The plan was for this, though, they were going to cap off this trilogy
and then kind of
spin off like
Star Wars movies
and do like prequels
and whatever
and do all those
origin movies
Wolverine Origins
obviously killed
any chance of that
like properly happening
but as we've said before
that's okay
because we don't need
origin movies for everybody
have your spin off movies
the Wolverine works
infinitely better
than Wolverine Origins for a thousand reasons.
One of them being that you don't know
where he's eventually going to end up.
Right, exactly.
Like you know in bloody that other one
that I mentioned.
I get so confused.
And it's such a dumb title,
X-Men Origins Wolverine.
It's so hard to say and think about.
What I disliked about X-Men 3
is that there was so many generic...
Truck flips.
Truck flips.
But a lot of...
They love their truck flips.
Yeah.
There were so many generic mutant villains, I thought.
And there seemed to be a lot of combining.
Yep.
There was a character who I think had superhuman speed and pheromone powers or something.
Oh, okay, yeah.
There's a version of Callisto.
Yeah, you're right.
There was a character who could have been Psylocke,
but maybe she wasn't Psylocke.
The one in Spikes guy.
Yeah, our favourite character.
He's got the powers of, I can't remember who it is,
but it's like a porcupine-style character.
But his name, his actual name is the, you know,
the X-Men student with the pink hair?
Is that his name? That's his name. I name is the you know the X-Men student with the pink hair is that his name?
that's his name I really explained that poorly
but he's basically
got the name of one
and the powers of another
right exactly
or the look of another
it's bizarre
so yeah there were a few
and I
that reached the territory
of kind of
you know
Transformers 2 and 3
yeah
where there's just a whole bunch
of generic ones
yeah
there's a whole lot because remember in that final battle which is fine but there's a whole lot of tele there's just a whole bunch of generic ones. Yeah. There's a whole lot of...
Because remember in that final battle,
which is fine,
but there's a whole lot of teleporters
and a whole lot of...
There's heaps of Nightcrawler teleporters.
Yeah.
Exactly, yeah.
That's exactly it.
Yeah, yeah.
I like to think of, you know,
the X-Men universe,
everybody's unique.
Yeah.
Isn't that kind of the point
of those characters?
That is exactly the point.
Yeah, yeah.
I did like the appearance of Multiple Man.
Yeah, that's good. Jamie Madrox. I kind of want... I did like the appearance of Multiple Man. Yeah, it was good.
I would like to see a Multiple Man film.
Featuring the same actor?
He seemed very genial.
Sure.
Do you remember when all the good guys converge on the hundreds of people
and they all just combine back into him?
And he's like, hey! That's right of thing so he was you know yeah he was the happiest mutant
around he sure was but i i really like that character yeah and he's got a lot of he he's
had a couple of um there was a madrox uh ongoing series and a what was it called madrox the magician
i was called i was x factor was X Factor. Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
And he was... I've seen that TV show.
Yeah, exactly.
But he was...
He formed X Factor Investigations
and he was like a one-man detective agency.
Ah, cool.
He was everyone.
And he would also...
Because what happens is
he can split up into multiple people
and when they combine back together,
he retains all their memories.
He gains all their memories.
That's cool.
So if he could send one off to spy,
that version of him would come back
and give him all the memories.
But also what he would do is he would,
at the beginning of the series,
it revealed that he'd sent off copies of himself
that had been gone for years
and he'd had one go off and learn martial arts.
Oh, that's awesome.
And when that version came back,
suddenly he's a black belt.
That's amazing.
That is amazing, right?
There's a lot you can do with that.
There's a lot you can do with that character.
See, that's what I'm talking about.
They did none of that.
Yeah, exactly.
Like a character with Toad,
he's got limited powers,
but he knows what he's doing with them.
Yeah, yeah.
If a character spent their whole life with certain powers
yeah
they're gonna find
some uses
absolutely
eventually right
that's a really good point
yeah
you should make that movie
I will
I'll make a short film
it'll be great
it'll be terrible
yeah
cool
X-Men 3
do you wanna know
how long
I'm gonna say
worst movie ever
well I'm not finished
I've got a bunch of stuff
that could
well this will probably
build it right back up
again for me
well do you wanna talk
oh no we'll come back
to how he gets Professor X.
Okay, yeah.
But you know how long
Cyclops is in this movie for?
Is it like 12 minutes?
4 minutes and 40 seconds.
4 minutes and 40 seconds.
I overestimated
by quite a lot.
Yes.
I mean,
he obviously went to these
He's such a towering presence
that it seemed like
three times as long.
Absolutely.
Like, he left
to do Superman Returns.
But he's a massive player in the Phoenix saga.
Yeah, absolutely.
And not at all.
It's another, again...
I mean, I would say that's less of those involved's fault.
Like, he left to do something else.
But even if he was there,
they would have given him fuck all to do it.
Exactly, because they wanted...
Because Wolverine's the main character, essentially.
They want to give him the love interest also.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. You know, Matthew Vaughn actually dropped out because he didn't have enough time to make it. He's like, I can't make this film is the main character essentially they want to give him the love interest also yeah exactly exactly you know
Matthew Vaughn
actually dropped out
because he didn't have
enough time to make it
he's like
I can't make this film
that I want to make
because he had
I think
two years
or less than two years
but he had less time
to do the X-Men
first class movie
and he nailed that
and he fucking nailed it
so I reckon
he really would have
done something amazing
with that movie
I think
maybe it's just
a passion issue.
Like, maybe you don't want to do the second sequel in a series.
You want to do a new thing.
First Class is a new thing.
And he did a new thing.
Absolutely right.
And First Class, you can sort of redefine the universe.
X-Men 3, you can't.
You're stuck with the same toys.
Absolutely.
Bryan Singer, actually, when he dropped out, Hugh Jackman recommended Darren Aronofsky,
who nearly did The Wolverine.
Yeah, yeah.
Actually, he would have been okay, I guess.
But Joss Whedon also turned it down to work on his Wonder Woman movie, which he was working
on at the time.
And I would have liked to have seen either of those movies.
Absolutely, yeah.
Rob Bowman was apparently approached.
You know him?
He did Elektra, Reign of Fire, X-Files.
And he was approached.
He was approached.
He didn't show up at the Fox
lot and was like
hey can I get
some more movies?
What are you guys
up to?
This would have
been after.
And they just
slowly closed the
shutters and
pretended they
weren't home.
I think he did
Daredevil as well
didn't he?
Probably.
But when he was
approached that
would have been
before Electra
came out.
Also Reign of
Fire is pretty
awesome.
I like Reign of
Fire.
X-Files movie is nothing.
I don't remember.
The first one was fine.
I want to believe it's fine.
Yeah.
Clever.
Alex Pai Projaz was approached.
Did that from Dark City.
Dark City, iRobot.
He also did The Crow and Knowing with Nicolas Cage.
Well, his star's taken a turn, hasn't it?
Yeah, well, they were considered for the job, I should say.
I said approached, but apparently it says considered.
Zack Snyder was approached, but he was committed to 300,
and Peter Berg was approached, but he turned down the job.
He's done stuff, hasn't he?
Sure has.
He did Battleship, and that was Taylor Kitsch's finest work.
Now, the reason they hired Brett Ratner is because they said he had experience making a successful film out of a rushed production, as he did for Rush Hour.
That's not a pun.
That is what...
But it is how people get hired in Hollywood.
That's exactly right.
Mark Webb.
Yeah.
For example.
For exams.
In 2009, this is very interesting, Bryan Singer admitted that he regretted...
Bryan Singer directed The Wedding Singer.
He admitted he regretted declining to direct this film
in favour of Superman Returns.
I also regret that.
Confessing that he realised his mistake
before I was watching the third X-Men film,
during watching it, and after watching it.
Wow.
That's a real dig, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah.
So, yeah.
I guess because he thought he was going to go away
and make like the definitive Superman movie
and he ballsed up Superman.
Well, he made the definitively boring Superman movie.
Ha ha!
It's okay, that movie, but it's not great.
I know, I've said it before.
You love Superman Returns.
No.
Remember when he returns, though?
Oh, yeah, good point.
I love that movie.
Bolivar Trask actually appears in it as well.
Portrayed by...
Any ideas?
I can't remember.
I think it's a black actor from Memora.
Huh.
So, yeah.
So, no prize me out of that one, you jerk.
Uh...
Mutation.
Do you remember?
Yeah, I was...
Remember that time the partnership became black for a while?
Oh, yeah.
What?
How did that happen, though?
Was it an experiment?
No, he got...
He was on the run,
and I think his face had been cut to pieces by Jigsaw,
who's his arch nemesis.
Who's also...
And then he went to a back alley plastic surgeon,
and they're like,
I'll fix you right up.
Oh, by the way way i made you black
right and then like but he was black and then but he had like he didn't look like he wasn't
frank castle but he was black yeah like he had like like african-american features like and hair
yeah like really close cropped hair okay right and Right. But he had like... Like his face had been altered.
Like to have more like classically African American kind of features.
And then he went and he did like ghetto crime fighting for a while.
This was the 70s, right?
No, this was the 90s.
What?
This was in the 90s.
This was happening in the Punisher.
Like when the Punisher was super popular.
Anyway, the point is that he...
Like they..., the story...
Did he slang talk?
I don't think so.
That's a missed opportunity.
That is a missed opportunity.
But then, like, the storyline had to end
because, you know, all great things had to end.
So he had to become white again.
But basically, so they just put in some lines
about how this treatment was wearing off
and so by the end like and then like they've got him the bad guys have got him cornered somewhere
and the last bit of the treatment wears off and then he just busts out as a white punisher again
right but his face has been altered yeah he should like he should look like an albino black guy
but he didn't he was just the punisher again it made no sense if he did go back should he have
had a real messed up face again as well?
Yeah, yeah.
There are a lot of things wrong with that.
I thought he was going to say,
if he went back, would he ever go black?
Which doesn't make any sense.
But yeah, let's not dwell.
Everybody look that up.
Everybody just Google that time the Punisher was black.
There actually was a British version of the Punisher who was black,
but he was an actual.
See, that's all you need to do.
You just got to swap him out.
Yeah, yeah.
That's bizarre.
Anyway, yeah.
I guess that was also at the time where, like, they were afraid to swap someone out for somebody
else.
Correct.
Permanently.
Yeah, yeah.
But then Winter Soldier proved that you could do that, I guess.
One more piece of trivia, Mason.
Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, and Vinnie Jones, they also acted together in Swordfish.
Oh, they sure did, didn't they?
I was just thinking about Swordfish today.
Do you remember that was like when you'd get a VHS tape?
Swordfish was like the trailer before for showing off the sweet features of a DVD.
Yeah.
Because there was that explosion scene in it.
I don't know if you remember.
And everything spins around.
Everything spins around.
And the movie opens with that.
And then it again happens like, I don't know, an hour or something in.
But Swordfish isn't good.
John Travolta's best wig, though.
That's very true. Oh, it's a very sinister wig. That Swordfish isn't good. John Travolta's best wig, though. That's very true.
It's a very sinister wig.
That movie also is a film...
John Travolta has an opening monologue
at the start of Swordfish.
I remember.
Where he talks about the film Dog Day Afternoon.
And it talks about how the media's effect
on violence and stuff like that.
And it makes it out like it's
going to be a much cleverer film than it actually is and then it's just a just a terrible film and
then they fly a bus in a helicopter they do fly a bus in a helicopter yeah yeah that's not a good
movie no well mason i hate to say oh actually one more thing before we move on how does he get
professor x'd oh he gets he gets turned to dust. Just Phoenix explodes him.
Definitively Professor X'd.
He got as Professor X'd as you can.
As Jamie Kennedy might say, he got X'd.
Is that what Jamie Kennedy says?
I think he did. I think he used to say that, yeah.
Great.
But of course he does come back in the post-credits scene
where he puts his mind into another guy's body or whatever.
Which is apparently his brother or something?
Yeah, his twin brother.
But it didn't look anything like him, right?
Well, he didn't really say it properly, but he had a beard.
Right.
Oh, I see.
Well, it'd have to be, because how else is he going to come back for the new one anyway?
He looks exactly the same.
Yeah.
Also.
I think they're just going to gloss over it.
They probably will.
You're right.
Yeah.
Well, I reckon we'll get a bit of, there's no time.
Now go back and time travel where
there's plenty of time now most of i i hate to do this but i think we should do the remaining three
x-men movies just x-men wolverine origins the wolverine and first class not in that order we'll
do that next week i think okay because it's already we're already well over an hour okay
let's not well over we're a little bit over it
so next week
we'll do Godzilla
and we'll do those
last three X-Men
movies
all together
now
great
that was an
Australian show
alright
do you remember
that one
no
all together
now
oh yeah
I do remember
that yeah
don't look it up
anyway
nobody look it up
I've got all this
sweet trivia though
I'll just have to
save it for next week
save it for next week
yeah
alright
well Mason
before we go
of course we've got
a very famous segment we have to do what before we go of course we've got a very famous segment
we have to do
what are we reading
what are we going to read
yeah
theme song
I'm doing the theme
what are we reading
today
great theme song
great theme song
now Mason
Michael Little wrote in
He reads a lot of comics and what not
In particular non-superhero comics
Somebody eventually is going to write in and say
Hey Mason do you never actually think of something you were going to read?
And just have to sort of
You've already recommended Black Punisher
Oh yeah that's a good one
Guys read Black Punisher
Guys read That Time The Punisher Was Black
I don't know how many
issues it was
it was sometime
in the 90s
I hope it was called
That Time the Punisher
was Black
that would be the best
well Michael Little
wants to know
if you're going to
start reading comic books
superhero ones in particular
where do you start
and I picked an
X-Men one to start with
because this is an
X-Men themed episode
but just quickly
before I get into that
if you're going to
read a Superman one
read Superman Birthright
I would say first
that is good
it's a good origin one
are you saying
read something that's
now out of continuity
absolutely
it's a good origin story
it's a standalone thing
you don't need to know
anything else
oh this is somebody
who's never read comics
before
if you're trying to
introduce some comics
yeah
I'm trying to think
what else
which Batman
would you introduce
I'd say year one and then Long Halloween and then...
What's the one after that?
Dark Victory.
Yeah, okay.
That's...
Yeah, good.
Year One would be an excellent choice.
I think the very first Grant Morrison Justice League.
Absolutely.
Four issues.
That one's really good.
Also, all the new 52 stuff is pretty much...
It's a good jumping off point.
You could easily pick up the new Batman.
Yeah, yeah. A lot of people will be like
oh you should give
somebody wants to read
comic books
superheroes
give them Watchmen
don't give them Watchmen
no
that's a bad idea
no
it's great
it's great
it's amazing
but it's a deconstruction
of the superhero genre
and if you don't know
what the superhero genre
is about
then it won't make any sense
absolutely
really good point
also you should read
Batman vs Predator
read Batman vs Predator
you laugh but it's amazing it is amazing just the first one though yeah Absolutely. Really good point. Also, you should read Batman vs. Predator. Read Batman vs. Predator.
You laugh, but it's amazing. It is amazing.
Just the first one, though.
Yeah, absolutely.
What about Superman vs. Aliens?
Don't read that one.
Not good.
No.
Not good.
Iron Man Extremis.
That's a good one.
It was really good.
You could probably read Wolverine.
I really like Old Man Logan.
Yeah.
Because if you know anything about the Avengers, if you've seen the movies, you can follow
along Old Man Logan. I guess that's true, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And if you've seen the X-Men movies. Logan. Yeah. Because if you know anything about the Avengers, if you've seen the movies, you can follow along Old Man Logan.
I guess that's true, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
And if you've seen the X-Men movies.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But the X-Men book I want to read in particular,
you got me onto this actually.
I didn't read a lot of X-Men, but you...
This sounds like something that I don't remember,
but go ahead.
You gave me a copy of Astonishing X-Men Volume 1,
Gifted, that Joss Whedon wrote.
It won awards and whatever at the time.
It's from like 2003 or something like that.
And it's basically, it's about the mutant cure,
which is part of the X-Men 3 movie.
And it's a return of a long lost character in the book.
And it's a, without spoiling anything or whatever,
it's a terrific read.
And it's also a great introduction.
It's kind of, it's kind of, it's not a reboot,
but it's kind of a refreshed kind of take on the X-Men franchise.
And they say, according to Wikipedia,
that it is the best X-Men story for like 10 years prior to that.
You've read that one, obviously.
I'm glad I recommended it to you.
So yeah, read X-Men Volume 1 Gifted
and then Volumes 2, 3 and 4.
I can't remember the names of them off the top of my head.
Afterwards, they're all really, really good.
More gifted.
Heaps more gifted.
Too gifted, too furious. Yeah. You got any X-Men to recommend in particular? the top of my head afterwards they're all really really good more gifted heaps more gifted too gifted
too furious
yeah
you got any X-Men
to recommend
in particular
I think you should read
some of the old
Chris Claremont
X-Men ones
from the 80s
just to see
how it was done
back in the day
you don't remember
bearing in mind
at the time
great
just that's all you're going to say
not so much
it was very much the era of explaining your powers as you use them
there was a lot of thought bubbles
I do
vividly
there you go
now Mason I just want to give a
as we move on from what are we going to read
I invented this segment
I can never get it right
Kevin Eerley I always get his name wrong um you remember him
and eddie were involved in the feud i do remember that future he is sent in a letter stepping down
wow from the competition wow he actually he sent a letter wait is it a letter or is it a passive
aggressive letter like hey if you want to keep this little thing going not at all it's quite
amusing because he wrote in
and I initially
took his first email
for those who don't know
what we're talking about
oh yeah sorry
we've released
a couple of audio commentaries
for various
two films so far
yes
theweeklyplanet.bandcamp.com
there you go
give those a listen
X-Men
wait sorry
we're going to do that one
yeah
we're going to do
X-Men First Class
yeah we'll do it this week
so hopefully we'll get that up this week
yeah so we did Captain America First Avenger and we did Amazing Spider-Man.
Yes.
And basically, two of our listeners have decided at some point to feud over how much to pay for those episodes.
Yes, absolutely.
Bearing in mind you can get them for free.
Yes, absolutely.
You definitely can.
Because remember, Eddie kept saying for him to eat a bag of dicks and such.
There's a lot of that going on.
Anyway, he wrote an email and it was a very funny email, but I took it as, because I remember
I read it at work and my guys kind of skimmed over it.
And I took it as, oh, I've insulted this guy who's donated, which wasn't the case at all.
And so then he wrote back, he goes, oh, no, whatever.
Don't take offense. And now I feel like an idiot because I completely misread that. But he goes, oh no, whatever, don't take offense.
And now I feel like an idiot because I completely misread that.
But he did release this statement, Mason.
Are you ready?
Okay, here we go.
Dear Weekly Planet, I would like to take this opportunity.
Oh, this is from Kevin Eerley.
Just Eerley.
Fuck.
This is from Kevin Eerley.
Dear Weekly Planet, I would like to take this opportunity with great weight in my heart
to admit defeat to Eddie.
Oh, wow.
When I undertook this campaign that I had no idea I was in,
of being the best, I trained night and day.
I didn't go to work.
I spent every waking hour obsessing over how I could be the best,
and with great regret, I lost.
It is a little humbling to put everything you have into something,
only to realize that you just aren't good enough.
Little did I know I would come up against such a valiant competitor as Eddie,
a man with skills above any other,
with an apparent unending supply of dicks at his disposal,
in which to prove his superiority.
I had a dream that unfortunately has been crushed under the heel of a man
who in many ways is just like Santa Claus,
going from home to home with a sack over his shoulder,
except in his case, his sack is filled with dicks instead of toys for kids.
So exactly the same,
but different.
I would like to apologise
to my parents for failing them
as well as the listeners
of the Weekly Planet,
official podcast
of comicbookmovie.com.
Good plug.
Ultimately,
I blame Mason.
Yeah, that's fair.
Look, I...
Well said.
I think, you know,
with that message of contrition,
in many ways,
Kevin is the winner.
I mean, he's not, obviously.
Eddie's the winner
because of all the money.
But, you know.
I'd like to take this opportunity
to say,
I know, what a brilliant letter,
to thank both Kevin and Eddie.
Absolutely.
And everybody who paid
for the audio commentaries
or just listen to them.
Yeah.
I hope you guys can be best friends.
We'll listen to this.
We'll talk to me in real life.
There's one more thing i'm going to
mention based on jonathan boozer yeah the booze the booze great bloke we've talked about him before
he transferred us 150 dollars what that's insane so i guess he's the winner oh there's no competition
i just want to make this clear there's not please don't try to keep bettering each other but i just
want to say what a legend he even prompted me because every time somebody sends me a big donation
I like email them
like is this a mistake
yeah
have you put the decimal
place in the wrong spot
did you mean to
donate 15 cents
so I um
before he could
he emailed me
and he goes
no this is a mistake
don't worry about it
so what a legend
wow fantastic
really appreciate it
yeah amazing
who knows what rivalry
he'll get into Mason
I hope it's with a gang yeah um Mason one more thing I'm ready this is a letter Wow, fantastic. Really appreciate it. Yeah, amazing. Who knows what rivalry he'll get into, Mason.
I hope it's with a gang.
Yeah.
Mason, one more thing.
I'm ready.
This is a letter from... Hang on, I've got to find the name,
because I have made a mistake.
Mistakes are free.
Also, I appreciate that he sent that donation
and he didn't require that you call me a dickhead
or something like that,
which is usually what most people require when they donate.
So, fantastic.
Rafael Gonzalez. So, fantastic. Rafael Gonzalez.
Hi, guys.
Big fan and have been listening since the beginning.
So, he's been through that wild ride of varying audio quality since day one.
My wife just gave birth to a healthy baby girl.
Love it.
Wow.
Congratulations.
That's the second official baby of comicbookmovie.com, Mason.
Wow.
Congratulations.
You call it?
Yeah, absolutely.
We've named her...
I can't really claim this baby for that, can I?
It's a bit presumptuous, but yeah.
Do it anyway.
We've named her Catherine...
Catherine...
Give me the...
It's a lame name.
Go for it.
Read it.
Yeah, Catherine Christopher.
Yeah.
Wow, okay.
In honour of my favorite Superman
Christopher Reeve is the
best that is amazing I
know right would love a
shout out to my wife and
I and a newest comic
book movie fan shout
out and as a native
New Yorker I love your
NYC accents forget about
it he's written lol here
I think maybe he's
being sarcastic but I'm
taking it as genuine
absolutely what a legend so Mason it's been it's been a what a but I'm taking it as genuine. Absolutely.
What a legend.
So, Mason, it's been what a week.
I'm sorry we didn't get through all the X-Men movies.
I realised going through this that this was going to take up many hours.
And people don't need that.
They've got stuff to do.
So, yeah, as I said, next week, Godzilla.
We're going to see it this week.
Reviews are coming in.
Do you want to hear what they're saying so far?
Are they saying mediocre?
They're saying it's okay. Great. They're saying not enough Godzilla. We're going to see it this week. Reviews are coming in. Do you want to hear what they're saying so far? Are they saying mediocre? They're saying it's okay.
Great.
They're saying not enough Godzilla.
Uh-huh.
So people are never going to be happy.
Are they saying too much Bryan Cranston?
No one has ever said that.
Correct.
Yeah.
Not even Bryan Cranston.
Maybe his wife, if you know what I mean.
A little too much Bryan Cranston.
So yeah, they're like, there's too much emphasis on human characters or whatever.
There probably is, I guess.
I don't know.
Well, we'll find out this week.
They've got to strike that balance.
Because realistically...
There are no giant lizards.
Well, that's true.
I mean, we want just two hours of a giant lizard destroying the city.
Or do we?
That's right.
Exactly.
Some people said there were too many fights in Pacific Rim.
Some would say we'll never be happy with a Godzilla film.
Well, he is too fat.
He is pretty fat.
As the Japanese have said.
Yeah, yeah.
So I guess that's the show for this week, Mason.
Fantastic.
Anything you want to plug before you go?
No.
Do I ever have anything to plug?
Yeah, you know.
You're like, you've got a thing on.
You're a bad...
No, this week I don't have any things on.
Cool.
Find me on Twitter at WikipediaBrown.
Absolutely.
At reply at me.
And I will at reply at you.
Ask him all sorts of questions.
Yeah, please do.
Questions you could easily look up on the internet.
But instead direct them at Mason.
At me, please.
I'll put a delightful spin on them in 140 characters or less.
Absolutely.
I'm not good at Twitter.
You're pretty good at Twitter.
I don't feel I'm good at it.
You've mastered it.
Well done.
Thank you.
You can find me at MrSundayMovies on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube now.
Yeah.
And you can find us both at Weekly Planet Pod on Gmail, Facebook, Twitter also.
We've got so many social media contact details.
You know it.
Come subscribe to the YouTube channel if you want to.
We should.
Pinterest?
What happens on that?
You just pin things.
Like?
Voodoo dolls. Yeah. It's a voodoo doll based social media. And like frogs that you just pin things like voodoo dolls
yeah
it's a voodoo doll based
social media
and like frogs
that you're dissecting
yeah absolutely
all those things
great
well Mason
have a good week
toads
so we were talking
about toads
good work
great
well done
you looking forward
to X-Men this week
yes
it's going to be great
we're going to meet
Hugh Jackman
we're not
remind me it's going
to happen
because I'll forget
okay okay fantastic I'll shoot you an e- me it's gonna happen because I'll forget okay
okay fantastic
I'll shoot you a e-vite
okay maybe this one
I'll pin interest you
thank you
maybe
maybe this will be the one
where I pretend
that I haven't
that I've seen it
but I actually haven't seen it
despite the fact that
I'll be sitting next to you
in the cinema
like you'll turn around
and I'll just be like
I'll just be some blankets
and pillows tied together
I would love that.
All right.
Thanks, guys.
Thanks, guys.
Bye.
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