The Weekly Planet - 4 Best & Worst Marvel Movies
Episode Date: October 22, 2013This episode we’re talking the best and worst films from the MCU. From Iron Man to Captain America: The First Avenger, from Thor to The Avengers. We break them all down best to worst. Poor...ly. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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I'll cut this out.
No, leave that in.
Leave, leave, leave.
No, actually, cut that out.
I'm more than a bird. I'm more than a bird.
I'm more than a plane.
I'm more than some pretty face.
I'm your sad train.
How do you like that one?
I honestly thought you were out of songs.
I am surprised.
Quickly, name one more firefighting song.
Can you?
I'll give you this dollar.
You can't.
It's not going to happen.
I can't.
I really...
I can't think of any.
Okay, let me get... No, actually, I haven't done any research. That can't i really i can't think of any okay let me
let me get no i actually haven't done any research that was a bluff i couldn't think of any either
but i would have accepted um saturday night's all right for five for fighting that's not a real
song that's not a real song uh i would have accepted um five for fighting two for furious
and i also would have accepted don't tell mom, The Babysitter's Fight for Fighting, which was their biggest hit.
Great song.
It's great.
You've really taken me back with that.
Yeah, absolutely.
To a different time, to a better time, I would say.
Is that song became famous because of Smallville, or was that famous on its own?
I kind of think that at some point they put the call out.
Just make a bunch of songs about Superman?
Like, we're going to...
Because there was a lot at once
yeah like I think they said
hey we're gonna do this show
about Superman
yeah
everybody put in your two cents
and everyone went
this will be really good
yeah exactly
three dollars down
got me a crack
exactly
god
did you know
and I learned this this week
did you know
this is not
this is not comic movie related
maybe it is kind of
sure
were you aware
that there's a brothel
in Melbourne
called the Daily Planet I did not know that were you aware that there's a brothel in Melbourne called The Daily Planet?
I did not know that. Were you aware of that? No. Okay.
Do they have a website?
I don't know. That's all I know about it.
Can we get someone in from there?
I guess we could get someone in, or we could
send in a correspondent of some
sort? You're talking about you, aren't we?
No! Ooh, no. The thing about
it, though, is having never been, I feel
that I would... I mean, I wouldn't go for a lot of reasons, but, no. The thing about it, though, is having never been, I feel that I would...
I mean, I wouldn't go for a lot of reasons, but...
Sure.
But I feel that if I went,
if it wasn't comic book themed,
I'd be very disappointed.
But at the same time,
if it was comic book themed,
I'd be disgusted.
So there's no winner there.
If it was comic book themed,
how poorly do you think it would be done, though?
Do you think it would be, like,
ill-fitting kind of, not even
costumes, like weird art on the wall that doesn't
quite match like Wolverine's or weird colour?
Yeah, definitely. You know, instead of
claws he's maybe got penises.
Like some sort of off-brand McDonald's, absolutely.
But what I was going to say, because apparently that's quite a famous one
and there's another brothel. You know a lot
about brothels in Melbourne. That's interesting.
We can cut this out. But there's
another brothel called Gotham City. Huh. That's interesting. We can cut this out. But there's another brothel called Gotham
City.
Huh.
There's two.
There's two comic book
themed brothels in
Melbourne.
Maybe it's run by the
same guy or girl.
Or girl.
Or they're across the
road from one another
and it's two bitter
rivals who've decided
to come out with
competing brothels.
That's my feeling.
Is that the Marvel
and DC of brothels?
I guess so, yeah.
But also, owner of Gotham City, if you are listening, it should be called the Gotham Gazette.
When you think about it.
What an idiot.
What an idiot.
What an idiot.
I hope there's more.
I hope there's like the Star City Observer comes out.
Or like the Coast City Sex Crater.
That'd be great.
Nobody would get that.
Oh yeah, no, that's a bit...
That's amazing.
Wow, I learned learnt something I know right
I appreciate that
That is comic book related
And brothel related
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That's about it
That's about it
If you like the show, tell your friends
Tell your friends
I mean, not straight away
Don't just jump into it
No, don't tell your friends that already know either
Tell different friends
Yeah
Is that what you meant?
Different friends
Yeah, cool
Just to distinguish those two things.
Absolutely.
So this week we thought, you know, Thor the Dark World is coming out in, I think it's
first week of November in the States and various other places.
Thor the Dark World.
I thought maybe we could do some kind of Marvel cinematic recap of all the Marvel-owned properties
from Iron Man up until the present day.
What do you think?
No.
I don't have anything else prepared.
Then yeah.
Let's do this.
Fantastic.
I'm very excited.
I should.
I panicked a little there when you said that.
I should specify as well.
These are just the Marvel owned properties we're talking about.
I'm not talking about the X-Men ones which are owned by Fox, even though they're Marvel
properties.
Same with Spider-Man, Fantastic Four.
Obviously you guys already know this, but they're not technically owned by Marvel anymore.
And even ones like Daredevil, which is now, and Hulk, which is now, and Ghost Rider, which is now.
There are movies which are Marvel now, but the movies that came out for them, except for the Hulk, they made one for Marvel, were pre-owned by Marvel.
What a complicated thing I just said.
It was good.
You had a lot of hand motions.
I did.
That explained it really, really well,
but it's unfortunate no one will ever get to see those.
I also have this picture.
What do you think?
Ooh, wow.
Ooh.
Infograph.
Charoscuro shading.
Delightful.
So, yeah, I thought, um,
let's start with the very first Marvel movie.
How are we going to review these?
Oh, sorry, I forgot to mention that.
How this is going to work is...
Is it going to be like 1 to 10?
Am I going to do it in stars?
Well, I thought we could do something as technical and complex as that and give it a numerical value.
Sounds like a lot of work.
Sounds like way too much work.
Also, people get really pedantic if you're like, I think it's an 8.5.
They'll be like, what is this?
You know. Yeah. All caps. I'm like I think it's an 8.5 they'll be like what is this you know
yeah
all caps
yeah
thanks dad
god
so I thought
maybe we could go
you either have to say
it's the best movie ever
or the worst movie ever
no middle ground
no middle ground
so if you really like the movie
but you're like
ah but there's this bit
that I know
worst movie ever
fantastic
fair enough
I think that's fair
because that's I think
how the internet responds
to most things anyway so I think why change that operate in fair. Because that's, I think, how the internet responds to most things anyway.
So I think, why change that?
Operating superlatives.
That's what I like to do.
Extremes.
Extremes.
And I think it is a testament to the thousands of people.
You know, when you watch the credits and there's thousands of people who all have put their
heart and soul and their careers just on the line there.
Absolutely.
You can just say, worst movie ever.
I didn't like the bit.
I didn't like the Stan Lee cameo.
What's he doing? What a waste. Worst movie ever. I didn't like the bit. I didn't like the Stan Lee cameo. What's he doing?
What a waste.
Worst movie ever.
Okay, let's do this.
There's better actors that could have taken on that role.
Yeah, brilliant.
Okay, well, obviously, we're going to be starting with 2008.
The year 2008.
Iron Man.
The movie Iron Man from 2008.
Have you seen the movie Iron Man from 2008?
Yes.
Good. Now, actually, also, I forgot to mention this, I've got a little bit of trivia for
each movie to keep everybody listening interested.
I'm listening.
Do you want to start with trivia and then we'll go opinions?
You do what you want, man.
Alright, I'll do that.
You're on in this show.
Okay, here we go. First thing, a lot of the dialogue ad-libbed.
I love it.
Well, you know what, did you have more to say?
No, that's it. That's all I have. Dialogue ad-libbed. I love it. Well, you know what? Did you have more to say? No, that's it.
That's all I had.
Dialogue ad-libbed.
Well, when Marvel first came into being,
like, the scripting for Marvel comic books
was what sort of came to become known as the Marvel method.
Is this the...
I don't know what you're going to say.
But tell me.
Okay, no, no, so...
Tell everybody, I should say.
Absolutely.
So, with, say, DC Comics at the time,
or a lot of the other comics
yeah they'd say okay here's this action sequence panel one what is going to happen we're going to
see a door we're going to panel two we're going to see the door open yeah and there's going to be
you know that whoever behind it like glowing eyes or whatever behind it and then panel three it's
going to cut to the main you know the room and whatever the marvel method was more in the lines
of there's going to be a battle sequence.
It's going to be two pages.
Do whatever you want to the artist.
So if they wanted to do a nine-by-nine grid or if they wanted to do a splash page that covered two pages and it was just a splash of nonsense and mayhem, they could do that.
And that was kind of...
I mean, I guess it put...
On the one hand, it put more pressure on the artist.
But on the other hand, it allowed them to sort of spread their wings creatively.
Yeah, absolutely.
Experiment.
And hence why we've got so many wonderful characters from the Marvel Universe.
Like what?
Batman.
Yeah, good.
He's a good one.
He's the best.
Yep.
And you know as well, I actually heard this from Stan Lee recently in an interview.
Personally?
Personally.
Yep.
A lot of the time
the pictures were drawn
and then they had to
write the dialogue
around the pictures.
Fantastic.
So that's got to be
difficult I'd imagine
to make something
that's not nonsense.
That's got to be
there's obviously
skill involved in that.
That probably explained
why a lot of
a lot of Marvel comics
and a lot of comics
in general
people would explain
their powers
as they were using them.
Yeah.
I mean, that was more 1980s.
That was more Chris Claremont, John Byrne kind of X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, where Cyclops
would be like, there'd be a thought balloon above his head and he'd be like, I'm just
going to open my ruby quartz crystal visor and use my optic blast to shoot open the door.
You're like, who thinks like that?
Nobody does.
Cyclops thinks like that.
I'm going to use my legs
to walk across the room.
Nobody
you don't have to think it.
You just do it.
Yeah.
Jesus.
When did Thorpolins disappear?
That's a really good question.
Like
it's kind of
they have it in a similar way
it's usually just a box
and it's in the colour
of yellow boxes.
Yeah.
But a lot of comics
still do that though
and that would be
the colour also
distinguish what character
is talking that kind of stuff. Yeah but it's more like it's more like a journal. comics still do that, though. And the colour also distinguishes what character's talking.
Yeah, but it's more like a journal.
Yeah, that's true.
It's more like a, this is what happened.
Yeah, it's not so much what is happening right now.
I've better use my optic blast.
As a member of the X-Men team, I best use my optic blast.
But yeah, improvised dialogue.
I think there's a quote
from Jeff Bridges
and it's like
we had no script man
I think that's a direct quote
from Jeff Bridges
I think you might be right
actually yeah
that's exactly it
and I just ran with it
I think the movie
benefits from it
but
because I think
the good thing about that
was they seem to have
an overall structure
and they just kind of
obviously pasted in the bits
that worked
and I think for me that movie worked really well because of that.
I think with lesser directors, lesser actors, that's going to be a disaster.
But I think it lends itself well, until you kind of get to the last act.
The last act where Jeff Bridges goes insane for no reason.
Yeah, that's it.
I guess that was kind of a, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, go ahead.
Funny story.
Yes.
Not really. But, you know, there's a few other people Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. Funny story. Yes. Not really.
But, you know, there's a few other people who actually were interested in the Iron Man role.
Robert Downey Jr. was always, I think, number one for Jon Favreau in a big way.
But Tom Cruise turned down the role, apparently.
As did Hugh Jackman, I read.
Huh.
Which is kind of strange.
This is post-X-Men.
This is post-X-Men.
Huh.
Yeah.
And not only that, I just thought I'd throw this in.
Nicolas Cage expressed interest in 1997.
Of course he did.
Fantastic.
That would have been a good one.
That would have been the era.
Because now Iron Man is quite sleek and streamlined.
That's back in the day when if a character wore a helmet, it was like a motorcycle helmet.
So it would have had this giant bulbous head.
It would have been great with Nicolas Cage inside it.
Do you wish you saw it?
Yeah, kind of.
I don't.
So, yeah.
And they actually planned to link this originally, in the original script, to the Spider-Man
universe, even though they didn't own the rights to that.
Because in the original draft, Tony Stark was the creator of the Doc Ock arms.
Don't like that.
Don't like it?
Don't like it.
Don't like him being given...
No, I think Doctor Octopus needs that as part of his...
I think we established in episode one that his name's Larry
Octopus. I think so, probably, yeah.
Might have been Chad Octopus.
I don't know.
Yeah, sorry, what were you saying? Ah, I've lost my train of thought.
Go back. Sure. So,
early draft, Tony Stark must be the creator of the Doc Ock
arms. Oh, that's right. I was going to say that Robert
Downey Jr.,
ultimately, the Tony Stark story is the Robert Downey Jr. story.
Yeah, it is.
I mean, he's an alcoholic millionaire in a flying suit.
It's Robert Downey Jr. all over.
Yeah, it is.
Exactly.
In a big way.
Yeah.
Good on him.
Good to have him back.
I'm glad he's back.
Yeah, I mean, I don't want to peak too early here,
but Iron Man is probably one of my favourites.
Friends?
Friends.
He's one of my favourite friends.
No, he's one of my favourite...
It's one of my favourite Marvel movies, I think.
Okay, cool.
It's top tier?
It's top tier.
Awesome.
It's the best one.
Really?
It's the best.
You're saying it now?
No, I'm just...
Because that's the rating system.
Best movie ever.
Alright, well, look.
I just quickly want to say, you guys probably know this, but Jarvis in the comics is a butler.
Yeah, correct.
He's a human male butler.
Correct.
In the movie, obviously, they change it to the computer intelligence AI person man.
Just a really very intelligent system.
Yes, that's right.
Yeah.
Isn't that good?
Yeah, I know.
I'm writing around it.
But they did that to...
Sorry, they didn't want Batman comparisons.
That was basically the idea behind that.
Okay, that makes sense, yeah.
Also, Terrence Howard was paid the most for that film.
That anybody...
He was the first on board, paid the most.
Now he's paid the least.
But at the time...
How about Zero?
He's paid Zero.
No, he's paid Zero.
Okay, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
But look, I love that movie.
Also one of my favourite.
But I did say that the end action sequence
I'm not incredibly happy with
so I'm going to say
worst movie ever
wow
controversial
so
okay
nah you know
I'm going to say
best movie ever
because it's a great movie
fantastic
even that end sequence
I don't think it lets down
the whole film
I think it's all good
I mean it works
narratively because
he wins because...
I mean, he goes into the fight as the underdog.
Yeah.
Because he's using the old reactor.
Yeah.
But he wins because, A, he knows features of the Iron Man suit that Stain doesn't.
Yeah.
Like that it won't survive in the upper atmosphere or freeze over.
So he's got a legitimate reason for beating him.
Exactly.
And B, he's willing to sacrifice his own life in the end.
He's willing to make that sacrifice, and by chance he lives.
Just like the Avengers.
Yes.
We'll probably get to that, won't we?
Nah, we'll run out of time.
Okay, next up, 2008, the same year.
Anything else about Iron Man?
So we've established it's the best movie ever.
He sure does kill a lot of dudes, and nobody mentions it.
But doesn't he kill mostly terrorists?
They're mostly terrorists
sure.
I love that scene.
That's got to be one of
the best comic book
scenes though where
you first see him he
lands and he just
kills everybody
immediately.
And the tank missile
it's all good.
And then when they
get the hostages and
then he targets all
the terrorists and
not the civilians and
he just kills them
all in one scene.
Do you notice how
good he is in that
movie compared to
the third movie?
Nah I blanked it
out.
Okay cool.
No, really good though.
But yeah,
like the Punisher,
he's killed a lot of people.
So many.
Drug dealers and murderers
and so forth.
Public menace.
Yeah.
Fine man,
killed a lot of dudes.
Nobody brings it up.
Nice guy.
Yeah, nice guy.
Well, yeah.
He's very charismatic.
He's so charismatic,
that's true.
Now this year,
I didn't actually see
this one of the movies,
but the same year this came out, this is when they rebooted so charismatic. That's true. Now this year, I didn't actually see this one at the movies, but the same year this
came out, this is when they rebooted The Hulk.
The Incredible Hulk.
Also 2008.
I was overseas at the time, so I didn't get to see this at the movies.
I wasn't, I'm okay with it.
I don't love it.
What about you?
It's pretty okay.
I like Tim Roth in things.
Yeah, he's great.
He's great in things, sure.
At the time, I thought Edward Norton was a great choice, and I
still think he was a
good choice, but I'm
glad.
I think I've said this
on a previous podcast
that they swapped him
out, though.
I don't know.
I mean, when was the
last time you saw
that movie?
2008?
Okay.
No, it would have
been later.
I'm sure I've seen
it on DVD since.
Yeah, no, it's okay.
It's okay.
Yeah.
I think, I don't
really like the look of the Hulk in it either.
And not that the Ang Lee Hulk is great either.
I mean, the best looking Hulk is obviously the Avengers, but I find he's a bit too...
No, it's loofering you.
I'm sorry.
We're just talking about Marvel Studios properties.
Yes, yes.
But no, he is the best looking Hulk though, you're right.
Yeah.
As a human, very attractive male.
Yes, correct.
That's what I'm Yes, correct. Okay,
cool. But yeah, I think it was a bit kind of ripped, weird colour green. He was almost
grey green. Yeah. I mean, he has been grey, I guess. And he's been all sorts of variations
of green, but I don't know if that really worked. Yeah, it was kind of, I feel he should
be comic book green. Yeah. I think they dipped into an area of like well the
first one is too comic yeah the first one is too comic book green we're gonna pull it back we're
gonna cover him in mud and dirt and etc and then yeah then you're right i think they went too far
in the other direction also i don't really think they balance the whole he doesn't look anything
like bruce banner in any way like even so much as the hair is different like he's got longer hair
as the hulk i don't know whether that's a thing that happens in the comics but um or ever has but
i know it just seems like that he's i don't know i don't see the link between the two as much as
you do with mark uh rufio yeah i'll give you one piece of trivia for this because you know what
trivia is not that interesting so maybe i'll just drop it but basically you know the you know what? Trivia's not that interesting, so maybe I'll just drop it. But basically, you know the shot earlier
in the movie
where his blood drops
in the factory
and it goes through
all the floor
and it melts through,
like the blood from aliens?
That took,
what was it,
over a year
to create that shot
using visual effects,
using computings.
You know what?
I don't remember it.
So full credit
for those guys.
Yeah, but it falls in the bottle
and in the bottle of soda pop and then Stanley drinks it and he's like,
And there's 20 minutes of that?
You don't remember that?
20 minutes of Stanley agonising.
Yeah, that's pretty good.
Yeah, okay, fair enough.
A couple of interesting cameos.
Yeah.
Who were never referred to again.
Doc Samson.
Yeah.
As his psychiatrist.
That's the guy from Modern psychiatrist yeah that's the guy from
Modern Family
it's the guy from
Modern Family
yeah
I mean not the
Doc Sampson of the comic
not the flowing green
the blue
the green hair Fabio
yeah
that's less so
but um
yeah
also on post credit as well
Tony Stark
oh yeah
and Martin Starr
as Mastermind Xello
what?
there's a deep cut for you
Martin Starr yeah is in that movie.
He's the...
From Party Down and...
Yeah, he's like a grad student.
Is he?
Yeah.
Oh man, I completely missed that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now I'm going to have to go watch that right now.
Okay, let's do that.
And edit point.
Okay, that was pretty good.
You didn't see all the cameos.
I didn't watch it.
I fell asleep.
I apologize.
That's unfortunate.
But yeah, Tony Stark cameo, building the universe.
Yeah, yeah.
And I linked that to another, to a Marvel short film, which we're not really going to talk
about.
Have you seen any of the Marvel one shots, just quickly?
I have seen, is it called Item 17?
Yeah.
Clark Gregg is in it.
Lizzie Kaplan.
Lizzie Kaplan.
And they rebuild it.
Party Down also.
Party Down.
Great show.
There you go.
Yes.
Yeah.
And they find the Chitauri weapon.
Yeah.
Get it going again.
I thought they'd work them into S.H.I.E.L.D. when I saw that.
Me too.
Yeah.
Maybe she's a bit too big for that now.
Too cool.
Yeah, yeah.
Gonna do a Cloverfield sequel.
Didn't she die in that?
She did.
Spoiler alert.
Prequel.
No monster?
No monster.
Just people being hip and hanging out in New York.
Also, oh, quick thing.
Oh, okay, right.
This is the only comic book movie in 2008 that wasn't nominated for an Academy Award.
So, Dark Knight was.
Heath Ledger.
Yep.
Iron Man.
Probably visual effects.
I have no idea.
Hellboy 2, Electric Boogaloo.
I'm assuming visual effects.
I have no idea.
Yeah, yeah.
I think all those movies are better than Incredible Hulk.
Yes. Yep. I'm assuming visual effects I have no idea yeah yeah I think all those movies are better than Incredible Hulk yes yeah
if we can digress
into Hellboy
I really
Hellboy is probably
one of my top
four or five
two or one
one of the series
you know like two
it's fine
but I feel that
I feel Hellboy
when I think of Hellboy
sort of intrinsically linked
to sort of
that whole Nazi Germany
origin story
and if he's not fighting Nazis, are they undead?
You know, I see why Guillermo wanted to do, you know, bring it into this, bring the Golden
Army in.
Yeah, yeah.
More his original ideas.
And I think he should be given full credit for that.
Is that his original idea?
I think so.
I did not know that.
Maybe it's not.
Write it in the thing, listeners.
But no
I feel he works best
Fighting Nazis
Fair enough
That's a fair point
Yeah
He does fight a lot of Nazis
In the first
Well one
One sand Nazi
Oh yeah sand Nazi
That's what I meant
That's what we're referring to
Cool
Ten points
If you can tell me
Ten euro
I'm going to change that
Oh wow ten euro
That's a lot
If you can tell me
What Marvel movie
Came out in 2009
I'm going to change that 10 euro you can tell me what Marvel movie came out in 2009 I'm going to let you guess
was it Howard the Duck
oh also
Incredible Hulk
worst movie
oh yeah worst movie ever
so yeah
it's not that bad
but that being said
worst movie ever
yeah 2009
can you think
do you know
do I know
I know
but do you know
one of us knows
it's me no I don't know it's zero movies Do you know? Do I know? I know. But do you know? One of us knows.
It's me.
No, I don't know.
It's zero movies.
No Marvel movies in 2009. No, 2001, there you go.
That's why I was drawing a blank.
Not because I'm ignorant.
I'm just going to put this 10 euro away.
You big tease.
The Australian currency is euro, by the way,
for anybody who didn't know that.
Did you know that?
No.
You've been using the wrong money.
I have.
That's why I can't buy anything in stores.
Okay, so we've got to obviously skip to 2010.
This one...
What could have come out in 2009?
What could have?
Avatar.
Oh, Avatar.
There we go.
That's pretty good.
Worst movie ever.
Worst movie ever.
Yeah, the next one up was another Iron Man sequel.
So they went Iron Man, Hulk, Iron Man again.
Interesting choice.
Fair enough.
Well, they need to make a billion dollars.
That's true, I forgot.
Yeah.
I mean, I see why they're doing that.
They don't want a success with Iron Man, a middling success with Incredible Hulk.
Ah, yeah.
And then...
Doctor Strange.
Then Doctor Strange.
Yeah, yeah.
And then the whole thing falls in the toilet.
Yeah, Iron Man 2
let's talk about it
do you have trivia
I got a little bit of trivia
Al Pacino was considered
the Justin Hammer
do you think he would have
shouted his way through it
as he does for most roles now
yeah he really would have
wouldn't he
yeah
no I don't like it
because Sam Rockwell
is probably the best person
in the world
right
yeah definitely
with his dances and such
that movie is it's okay but Sam Rockwell is amazing in best person in the world, right? Yeah, definitely, yeah. With his dances and such. That movie is okay, but Sam Rockwell is amazing in that movie.
Yeah, we've thought of that.
Oh, yeah, we've talked about that before.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, Justin Hammer traditionally is an older man.
Yeah.
So Rockwell was too young for the role.
Yeah.
But, traditionally, but.
Yeah.
Pacino would have worked age-wise,
but I don't think
in any other level.
No.
Not really.
I was going to say,
as well,
I'm going to say
too comic book-y
if you go Pacino,
which is a ridiculous
thing to say.
Too much of a
one-dimensional caricature
for a movie about
a man in an iron suit
and a guy with
lightning whips.
Isn't that weird?
I was going to say about Iron
Man, just the first one, that they did change a lot from the comic books. And I think it's
a testament to the writing of that. And even partly the second one, that I didn't mind.
Like, my favourite character when I was growing up was Iron Man.
Really?
Yeah, and I got a lot of stick for that, because X-Men was cool when I was growing up.
That's true.
So the nerds who liked X-Men was cool when I was growing up. That's true. And people were like, oh, Iron Man.
So the nerds who liked X-Men more beat you up.
Beat me up, exactly, yeah.
God, those scars never heal.
But they did tweak it.
Like they, you know...
Well, the butler thing.
The butler thing.
Stark and Rhodes are friends.
Yeah.
Pre him becoming Iron Man.
Yeah, yeah.
And so on and so...
Obadiah Stane is his business partner, not a rival.
But again, a testament to the characters that they tweaked it.
And I think it's, you know,
as opposed to something like Origins Wolverine,
where they tweaked a lot and it just fell into the toilet.
I feel like, though, since Iron Man,
that a lot of times if you change something,
people flip out.
I think people have become less kind of okay with that
like with the mandarin i mean that's a bigger change though yeah obviously than what you're
talking about but i don't know because now now people even look back at the nolan movies and
they like that's bullshit this doesn't it's not true to the character whatever but at the time
everyone was like these are the most amazing movies ever made but in hindsight people are
getting pretty picky about them maybe maybe too much. Maybe not enough. Maybe not enough. What were we to say?
Eww, let's not. Yeah.
What are we up to? I don't know.
Okay.
Sam Rockwell originally considered for Tony Stark.
There you go. What do you think of that?
Yeah, okay, I'm on board. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
picturing with the facial hair. Yep. Yep. Okay, good.
You'd have to dye his hair a little darker. Too blonde.
I was going to say too blonde. Too blonde.
Maybe too slick.
Oh, yeah.
Like Robert Downey Jr. a little bit rough around the edges.
He'd probably look a little bit weird with a little goatee as well.
I don't think he'd look very... He'd kind of look a bit tweedly.
Yeah, he would look very tweedly.
Yeah.
And he'd insist on turning up the ends of the moustache, I think.
So, best or worst movie ever?
Worst movie ever.
Worst movie...
Worst movie ever. Worst movie... Worst movie ever.
Worst movie ever.
Yeah, no.
There's a few good scenes.
Love the race car scene.
Said that before.
That's right, yep.
A few other bits and pieces that are okay.
Unnecessary Black Widow.
Yep.
Unnecessary Sam Jackson.
That's the problem with that movie.
I knew I wanted to say this.
Way too much Avengers build up.
Not enough kind of Iron Man stuff.
Sam Jackson apparently, part of the deal was that he was promised more screen time.
Okay.
And he nearly didn't come back for this movie.
He nearly dropped from the franchise, apparently.
And that's when they signed him for the nine-picture deal that he's currently on.
Right, okay.
Which he's probably already filled out by now.
I think so.
I think he's covered all those bases now.
Hmm.
And also, again, I don't think we've mentioned this before, but it is another movie where
Iron Man fights another armored villain at the end.
Yeah.
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Next up, 2011.
Ooh.
Classic year.
Yes.
Two good, you know, pretty good Marvel movies that year.
I don't want to prejudge.
No, go ahead.
Two movies that year.
Two movies that year, definitely.
Thor.
Yes.
Just called Thor.
No subtitle.
Just Thor.
Yep.
This is actually a little bit of trivia for you first movie I ever reviewed
as a person
I thought you were going to say
first movie I ever saw
first movie I ever saw
was Superman 4
A Quest for Peace
wow
that's a true story
and you like comic book movies now
that's weird
I remember
I was really young
I might have been
maybe three
and I might have even seen it
when it came out
I don't know
maybe I even saw it at home I have a very vague memory have you ever seen it I have seen it might have even seen it when it came out. I don't know. Maybe I even saw it at home.
I have a very vague memory of this.
Have you ever seen it?
I have seen it.
Have you pieced it together from clips on YouTube?
And I've seen it recently.
But I remember loving that movie.
And I still hold a special place in my heart for that movie,
even though it's the worst movie ever.
But I'll say this.
Yes?
It's better than three.
Okay, it's better than three, you're right.
Yeah.
Yeah, okay.
Because it's got Nuclear Man.
Yeah, it's got Nuclear Man,
with the voice of
Lex Luthor
weirdly dubbed over
that's pretty good
nothing about that
movie works
no
but I love it
or do I
it's got John Cryer
your favourite actor
oh my god
what a fuckhead
that guy's
he's alright
I'm sure he's a nice guy
but he doesn't make
good things
ever
except for Superman 4
and Quest for Peace.
But anyway, I hate reviewing movies.
Because, I don't know.
It's just not something I enjoy.
You picked a bad thing to do.
I don't really review so much.
People always ask me, can you review this and review that?
But there's nothing really interesting you can say about it without spoiling something.
I don't really care.
You can say non-stop action.
Wall-to-wall drama. Yeah. Sexy stunts. about it without spoiling something I don't really care I don't see why I can say non-stop action that's true
wall to wall drama
yeah
but if you do want to
sexy stunts
film of the summer
film of the summer
blockbuster of the year
yes
what a great
mockbuster of the year
yeah
but if you do want to
check out my reviews
Mr. Sunday
to Sunday Movie
good plug
yeah
I don't even think
that's my proper
YouTube channel.
Doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter.
Stan Lee apparently wanted to play Odin.
What do you think of that?
Oh boy.
Oh boy.
And he wouldn't take the glasses off either.
He certainly wouldn't.
Oh dear.
They didn't end up going with him though.
They went with Academy Award winner Anthony Hopkins.
Sir Anthony Hopkins.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Or Stan Lee.
That's interesting. Yeah. Wow. Interesting choice. Did he really? That's Yeah Or Or Stanley That's interesting
Yeah
Wow
Interesting choice
Do you really
That's what it says
That's what it says
The thing is
I hunted around
For a lot of trivia
I went to a lot
Of different websites
The weird thing was
Then I went to IMDB last
Because I'm like
I don't want to just
Pull from IMDB
Right
But everything that I found
Had been pulled from IMDB
Oh I see
So it's just
I've wasted
A lot of my time
You really did
Also I'm skipping over most of these
facts. Give me another fact though.
No, I don't mind.
Okay, here we go. Jim Carrey
was the favourite. Wait, let me do my
Stanley impression. Go. I don't have one.
Hang on, here we go. Can I do my New York accent?
No, I don't have one.
Hang on.
No, wait. We can edit this out.
No, because he wouldn't be vengeful and he wouldn't be sort of punitive and Thor, I'm
casting you out into the Midgard.
He'd be like...
He'd be so excited.
He'd be so excited.
He'd be so excited for everything.
Good guy, though.
Yeah, great.
Seems like a good guy.
Yeah, Jim Carrey apparently fagged it to play Loki.
Glad they didn't do that.
Yeah, no, that doesn't work. Yeah. I think, what a great choice, though. Pretty much guy. Yeah, Jim Carrey apparently fagged it to play Loki. Glad they didn't do that. Yeah, no, that doesn't work.
Yeah.
I think, what a great choice, though.
Pretty much unknown.
Yeah.
No, who they went with.
Oh, Tommy Little Pitcher.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, right.
Also, Jim Carrey's already played Loki sort of in The Mask.
That's a really good point.
That's something I made up then.
That's not even trivia.
That's something I put together.
Well, you did.
You used your analytical skills, your deductive reasoning.
Take that, IMDB. That's right. You bitch. Because skills. Your deductive reasoning. Take that, IMDB!
That's right.
You bitch!
Because the mask is powered by Loki.
Yeah.
Yeah, Loki juice.
Loki juice.
Sorry, I just got something there.
Okay, so, here we go.
Sam Raimi actually planned to make this movie after he made Darkman in the 90s.
Remember Darkman?
I do remember Darkman.
I don't think I've seen it all the way through. Is that good?
It's certainly quite dark.
Yeah.
I mean, it's how he transitioned from Evil Dead films to, you know, the Spider-Man franchise.
It's, we should watch it again.
Sure.
And talk about it.
There's sequels as well.
There's Die, Darkman, Die.
That's Darkman 3.
That's Darkman 3, sorry.
There's Return of Durant, who was the villain in the first one, who was a guy from LA Law.
Oh.
And then Darkman 3, Die, Darkman Die, where Darkman was no longer played by Liam Neeson.
He was played by Arnold Bosley.
From The Mummy.
From The Mummy films.
I think 2 and 3 was played by Arnold Bosley, wasn't it?
Yeah.
Wow.
We should watch all those movies together.
Yeah, yeah.
There is a great scene in the first Darkman where...
I bet there is.
Liam Neeson flips out over
winning a stuffed elephant
at a carnival.
So you should see it
if only for that.
Doesn't he break
a guy's fingers
or something like that?
Probably.
Do you mean on the set
or do you mean in the film?
He's a giant man.
I like him.
He's great.
Daniel Craig,
first choice to play Thor.
Don't like it.
Me neither.
I like Daniel Craig
but...
Picture him with
long flying golden locks. Doesn't work. Wait. No, it doesn't. No, it. Me neither. I like Daniel Craig, but... Picture him with long flying golden locks.
Doesn't work.
Wait.
No, it doesn't.
No, it doesn't work.
He doesn't have the...
He doesn't have the build.
I mean, he does have the build, but he's not...
He has to be tall.
Daniel Craig's apparently not very tall either.
And he doesn't have enough surface hair on his face for a really majestic beard.
Like, he could grow one probably, given a few months.
Yeah.
But it would be all beard.
Yeah.
And he could sort of smoosh it up and find his little face in there.
You know?
I've always said that he looks like a cross between a chimpanzee and a potato.
And you say that to his face.
It's weird.
I know, but he's so small.
Yep.
His little legs, he can't catch me.
Stuffy little legs.
Nah, good guy.
Good Bond.
But no, not Thor.
Also, obviously the first appearance of Hawkeye, where they kind of shoehorn him in.
They do, yep.
Shoehawk him in, is the term.
Yeah, very briefly, which I think is good.
You don't want to be like, oh, this is the Hawkeye and Thor movie.
Also, doesn't fire an arrow.
Do you remember there's a scene in it where he goes to grab a gun to stop Thor, and then
you see him pause, and then he grabs
the bow and arrow.
That was pretty good.
Dumb scene.
No, love it.
Didn't have to put it in.
Love it.
I wish he'd gone through more options.
Like, there was gun, and there was, like, a bit of wood with a nail in it, and, like,
like a pie, like a custard pie.
Like an angry dog.
An angry dog that he could have hurled, sure.
Yeah.
And then bow and arrow.
What do you think of Thor, though, in general?
I really enjoyed it
me too
it built
it was a great world
wasn't it
they built a great Asgard
yeah
again another film
that I'm glad came out
in 2011
not 1997
they planned
apparently they were
going to try and make
a version of it
in near 2000
with the guy who played
Sabretooth in X-Men
as Thor
that guy
a lot of people online
always say
get somebody bigger
get a professional
wrestler
heads up
no professional
wrestlers can act
with the exception
of The Rock
of The Rock
exactly
yeah
who's the best
yeah
but I was really
surprised by how
much I enjoyed it
because to be honest
I didn't know a lot
about Thor
why are you forgetting
about Hulk Hogan
oh yeah
Superman and
Commander
I saw that at the
cinema
yeah me too
I had such a good
time
oh great but um yeah what um
i thought it was really really good like i was saying sorry um i didn't know much about thor
going in you a little bit obviously but i was really just impressed with the world and it's
got me more interested in the character since because of that and what a performance by chris
hemsworth our own chris hemsworth he's our chris hemsworth he's ours he's australian until he does
something wrong
and then we're going to
find a weird
some other kind of
cultural heritage
he has and palm it off on them
do you remember when
has he ever been to New Zealand
he's from New Zealand
it's like with the
the Mel Gibson thing
moved here I think
when he was 19
maybe lived here for
maybe 5 years
and then left
and for years were like
Australia's own
Australia's own Mel Gibson
now
never mention him
never said take him back no because we don't have racists here in this room I mean and for years were like, Australia's own Mel Gibson. Now, never mention him. Yep. Never said.
Take him back.
No, because we don't have racists here.
In this room, I mean.
Yeah, specifically in this room.
But even then, one of us is racist.
I'm not going to say which one.
Oh, we edit out the racism.
We do.
Yeah, no, it's a really great,
it's a really beautiful Asgard
and there's a lot of little hidden tidbits
in, for example,
the treasure room. Yeah, they're talking about
the Infinity Gauntlet, which may come
into play later. Yeah, I've got
a theory. Do you want to say the theory?
I'll save it for the Avengers. It's fine.
Ah, yeah, you.
I'm a troublemaker.
No, but I mean, I feel
at this point they're probably going to change that.
Yeah. The next Avengers movie is going to be Age of Ultron. Yeah, that's right. They're not going to use my theory, but I mean, I feel that at this point they're probably going to change that. Yeah. The next Avengers movie is going to be Age of Ultron.
Yeah, that's right.
They're not going to use my theory, but I think...
No, but maybe for three, though, because they say that Thanos will be the villain in three.
Well, I mean, if you're going to give him a cameo at the end of the Avengers, you're going to have to bring him up at some point.
He might be in Guardians of the Galaxy.
Oh, yeah, that's true.
Actually, I think he is in Guardians of the Galaxy, but I don't think he's the main villain.
Somebody else is the main villain.
Can't remember who at the top of my head. Full disclosure, I I think he is in Guardians of the Galaxy, but I don't think he's the main villain. Somebody else is the main villain. Can't remember who at the top of my head.
Full disclosure, I don't know much about Guardians of the Galaxy,
but I will when the movie comes out.
I'm trying to pull a really terrible...
Tony Stark's in the Guardians of the Galaxy now.
I know.
I was trying to pull the name.
I was going to say the villain is that guy,
and he's like an outer space trucker in the Marvel Universe.
He drives a truck, but it's a space truck.
Really?
Yeah.
Is he a villain?
No, he's a good guy.
Oh, good.
I was just going to throw it in there.
What a nice...
We can edit this out.
No.
The villain is going to be Cyclops' dad, Corsair the Space Pirate.
There it is.
I've put my foot down.
That's what it's going to be.
That was retconned right.
That wasn't always his dad, I assume.
I think it was.
I mean,
no,
I think they basically,
I'm pretty sure that he,
because he was an orphan originally.
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure
that then they created
that character
and said,
hey,
let's make it.
Space dad.
Space dad,
exactly, yeah.
Fantastic.
Fantastic.
I'm going to say Thor,
best movie ever.
Best movie ever, yeah.
Loved it.
Oh, Kat Dennings is in it
She's great
She's great
Sure
You like the show
Two Broke Girls
No I don't
Never seen it
I've never seen it
But I've heard it's amazing
It's not amazing
People like it though
People do like it
For those that like that sort of thing
It's the sort of thing they like
Is it the John Cryer of TV shows
I guess it is yeah
Good on him
Fucking John Cryer
Next one this year.
This year.
That year.
Look at me making mistakes.
Captain America.
The first Captain America Avenger.
2011.
Can't stop Avenging.
That was the subtitle of that one.
Yeah.
Here's an interesting tidbit.
I'm ready.
I didn't know this.
I didn't pick up on it at the time.
Didn't go back to watch it to make sure if this is true.
There's a scene where a boy is running with a garbage can, kind of like a Captain America
shield.
And his mother calls him Phil.
And it's apparently supposed to be Phil Coulson.
There you go.
That makes him 60, 70 years old.
But in the Marvel Universe, sure.
Why not?
Or a robot.
Well, I mean, we've never actually seen the origin of the movie Nick Fury
No
I would have liked to see him have a cameo in Captain America
Oh yeah, that'd be cool
Because he is the
Well, he was around then, wasn't he?
He was around
He existed as part of the Howling Commandos
Yeah
The worst named army platoon in history
So here's a fact for you.
I like facts.
Supposedly, when Marvel first got off the ground, everything was going so well.
Yeah.
That with the superhero comics, Stanley made a bet with Jack Kirby that at this point they could get huge numbers selling any comic book of any kind.
Right.
Like a romance comic or a war
comic yeah weren't selling anymore and he said what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna i'm gonna create
a war comic and i'm gonna give it the dumbest name in history and it's gonna it's gonna go off
and he created nick nick wait sergeant fury and his howling commandos and then it just
and it did it took off in a big way yeah exactly yeah exactly, yeah. Wow. So he won. What's that? What did he win back then?
Oh, Euros, probably.
He played heaps of Euros.
What a good guy.
Yeah, but I would like to say, because Fury in the comic books, he is so long-lived because
of something called the Infinity Formula.
Okay, right.
Which is sort of a World War II era immortality serum.
Is it just water, but it's just in his mind?
Yeah, it's just in his mind.
He's got a real positive attitude about things.
Good on him.
So, you know, if he's got it, Coulson could have it.
Sure, yeah.
Absolutely.
I'd be okay with that.
And that explains why he loves Captain America so much.
You know, that's a running kind of joke.
It wasn't the Avengers.
And I think they've even brought it up in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
that he's a big fan of Captain America.
Maybe he's still Coulson Jr.
Oh, yeah.
Maybe that's his dad.
We'll never know.
We'll never know, will we?
They used a lot of different techniques, visual effects techniques, to make Chris Evans small,
including perspective.
Right.
You know he's got the tiny body for the first half of the movie.
Yep.
Which, by the way, looks incredible.
Some of it they did CGI, where they got the smallest guy they could find, put his head
on it, some perspective, some they just made Chris Evans hold his breath, and he just looked
a lot smaller
interesting
yeah
that's a fact for you
but I reckon
I remember seeing that movie
and when he comes out
and he's all big and muscular
that body looks fake
more so than the other one
it really does
which is a testament
to the special effects
in that movie
and a testament
to how little we care
about maintaining
our own bodies
that we're like
that guy's got muscles
no
that's gotta be fake
fake
who would do that
who would work hard
at anything
ugh
also Wolverine and Magneto
were originally
gonna make an appearance
until I assume
they realised
they didn't own the rights
to either of those characters
right exactly
are they just writing these in
and going
yeah maybe we'll get the rights
this time
yeah who's
what's the worst
who could have
and also Chris Evans
criminally
was only paid
$300,000
which is a lot of money
now that I say it
it sure is a lot isn't it
but for how well
that movie did
and him being the lead
I mean
and it's not like
he wasn't a massive
movie star before that
though was he
he'd done a lot of work
and I liked him before
he was in it
I think he's part
one of the best things
about the Fantastic Four
he's good in The Losers
he's good in Scott Pilgrim he's good in not another teen movie what else is he
he's good in the movie where he's on the phone cellular with kim basinger oh yeah he's in that
yeah yeah okay good he's good in that so yeah money well earned i'm sure he gets a lot more
for that now or not i hope he gets less quite frankly that being said i think that i really
like that movie but i think it kind of goes off the rails towards you and i hope he gets less, quite frankly. That being said, I think that, I really like that movie, but I think it kind of goes off the rails towards the end.
I think it gets less interesting after he starts going on,
he goes on all the missions,
there's a mission montage,
and then it kind of dips a bit.
But that being said,
I really enjoyed that movie.
I didn't think I would enjoy it.
I know in the,
I think it was in England,
they,
or some countries,
they renamed it the first Avenger,
because they thought,
Captain America's way too corny,
people aren't going to go for that.
And it's too Americans.
Yeah, that's it. But there wasn't a kind of people aren't going to go for that and it's too American yeah that's it
but there wasn't
there wasn't a kind of
a massive patriotic push for that
and he was
emphasising
he says a few times
or at least once
that I'm on the side of
whoever's good or whatever
I don't care
if you're American or whatever
which I think is the way to do it
like the way that Superman
used to be
you know
a specifically American thing
and now Superman's kind of like
a citizen of the world
ooh delightful
yeah
um
are they going to bring back
the same
actor who played Bucky
yes
as the Winter Soldier
good question
yes they are
ooh interesting
yeah
I think he'd be good
I don't know much about him
but I think he was good as Bucky
I remember him having
a tweedly little moustache
he didn't have a moustache in that
I think I'm just imagining
everybody in the past
having a tweedly little moustache
maybe there's a smudge
on the screen
there's probably a smudge, yeah.
Yeah.
I think it'll be alright.
There's set photos and that which you can check out.
He's got the metal arm and all with the star on it.
Good.
That's all I require, really.
Yeah.
Well, the theory is apparently that, you know, if you remember in the movie, Captain America
rescues him.
Yes.
And Zola's doing all tests on him.
And then he flies off the cliff and he's like, ah, I'm dying.
Yep. But whatever he tested him, put in him flies off the cliff and he's like, ah, I'm dying. Yep.
But whatever he tested him, put in him, is the reason that he survives.
A parachute in his feet?
Yeah.
Good foresight, Zola.
Nice work.
He knows what's up.
Yep.
I'd love to see Zola back as well.
As the...
Yeah, the head of the television.
As the head of the chest.
The krang.
Yeah, Marvel's krang.
Absolutely.
Cool.
Yeah. Next one. Anything else? Oh, Captain America. Best or worst? Best movie ever. in the chest the krang yeah Marvel's krang absolutely cool yeah
next one
anything else
oh Captain America
best or worst
best movie ever
I'm going to say
best movie ever as well
I'd say it's the best movie ever
yeah
do you think it's better
than Iron Man
even though you said
Iron Man was the best
no Iron Man's still
the best movie ever
okay cool
I liked
but as a consolation
for Captain America
I'm giving it
best movie ever
done
yeah
I also thought that
it worked
a lot as kind of
an Indiana Jones
kind of adventure
I thought in a way
it felt like that
not the treasure hunt
kind of thing
but it felt like
that kind of
old school
kind of adventure
swashbuckling
yeah
but in a good way
not like Prince of Persia
way which I haven't seen
not in the Crystal Skull way
not in the Crystal Skull way
yeah it did
that's kind of
and there's a lot of
parallels between that
and The Rocketeer as well,
which Joe Johnston directed both.
And Jurassic Park 3.
There's some trivia for you.
But, yeah.
Captain America is also the...
That's the best version of his costume, I think.
Yeah.
I feel it went a little downhill in the Avengers.
Definitely a little cartoony in the Avengers.
Yeah, totally.
And they kind of reference that, though,
because they're like...
He says, isn't it a bit kind of... What is it? These that though because they're like, he says, isn't it a bit kind of,
what is it?
It's not,
these aren't the exact words
but he says,
isn't it a bit cheesy?
No,
they're the exact words.
Yeah,
exact words.
Isn't it a little bit cheesy?
And he's like,
we kind of need that
right now or whatever.
But I mean,
old fashioned,
I think he says.
Yeah,
old fashioned.
But also the mask
in the Avengers
doesn't do him any favors.
No.
And I think there is a reason
that he takes it off
as quickly as possible.
Yeah, it makes him look very puffy.
It does, yeah.
I don't know why.
I think it's because
the wrestler's suit is so slim
so it makes his head look puffy.
But the new suit
that they're using
for the first...
Sorry.
For the Winter Soldier
is more like the old one.
It's like a muted kind of blue.
And it's kind of more...
I think it's like a stealthy
kind of combat suit
more than like a flashy one.
I love it.
I'm calling it already best movie ever.
Captain America, The Winter Soldier, best movie ever.
We will look forward to that next year.
There was something else I wanted to say about that.
I might say it later.
Okay.
You know what?
I'm going to say it now.
Yep.
I know what?
No, it's actually related to The Avengers.
Speaking of The Avengers.
What?
This was the first Iron Man movie, but also Marvel movie
to make a billion dollars at the cinema.
Is that enough? No.
That's what I thought.
Sell more lunchboxes, Marvel.
I thought it was really
good. What did you think of the Avengers?
I'm going out on a limb. I liked it.
I thought it was the best
movie ever.
You know what?
There's been some backlash recently about it.
I think there was a Joss Whedon interview
and a couple of other pieces where people have said,
it's got a lot of flaws, but I don't...
Joss Whedon said that himself?
I think a lot of people have suggested that it's oddly paced,
that a lot of the characters,
everybody's more reactive than they are proactive. Okay, yeah yeah that's which is true but in the same sense they are
they are on the heels of a alien invasion yeah it would make sense that they are
they're on the back foot they're on the back foot for most of that film yeah yeah
yeah interesting i know as well people have been saying why is it okay for superman
why is it okay for them to smash down a lot of buildings and people die, and Superman to smash down a lot of buildings and people die, and people
die, and that's not okay in Superman, in Man of Steel.
Do you know why?
The Avengers don't smash down any buildings.
They smash into some buildings.
The Hulk runs through that building that time.
Yeah, he does.
Probably a bit dangerous, though.
But I guess I think the thing is as well, I think the argument for that would be
the Avengers are kind of a more ragtag kind of,
just kind of barely keeping it together.
I guess Superman is the one when he's only one guy.
I think it's people expect more of Superman.
I think that's probably it.
Where they're like, you should know better Superman.
I think they just expect Superman to be more...
They expect the movies to be more sterile.
They don't expect there to be collapsing buildings,
because there's never been one in a Superman movie before.
There's been one in a Transformers movie.
Ooh.
Let's talk about the Avengers.
Let's not talk about the Transformers.
Okay, here we go.
In the original script, there was no cloning.
Emma Peel's evil twin is a robot.
You goose!
That's the wrong Avengers!
You've got me again.
Have you seen the...
Is it 1997?
I don't know.
There's a 90s...
There's two characters
called the Avengers
if you don't know.
I do know.
You know.
I'm talking to people at home.
It's a British
super spy team
and there was a movie
in the 90s
with Rafe Fiennes
and Uma Thurman
and Sean Connery
yeah Sean Connery's the villain
yeah
do you know
he's got a web changing machine
August De Winter
is his name
you knew immediately
what I was talking about
Augustus De Winter
it doesn't matter
it's August
it's August
so August Winter
thank you
yeah
you knew that immediately
when I said that
I was hoping to get a few in
and baffle you with my knowledge.
No.
But you stepped on my neck.
You silly goose.
Give me another fact.
I'm ready.
Okay.
From that?
Yes.
From the Avengers or the Avengers?
From British the Avengers.
Okay.
Marvel's the Avengers.
Elizabeth Hurley was considered for the role of Emma Peel.
Yeah, she's quite British.
Sir August was written as a smaller role until Sean Connery joined the project.
And insisted on everything.
Yeah.
Yeah, good.
And then regretted it.
Yeah.
And then did League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
Do you know he turned down a role in The Matrix?
As Morpheus, sure.
Yeah, and he also turned down Gandalf.
Wow.
Because he didn't understand them.
He's like, I don't get this.
Right.
And then he read the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen script and went, I don't get this,
but the last two things I did
did really well.
What a great
bloke. More for you, Sean Connery. And that's the last movie he
made. He hasn't made a movie since.
They tried to get him back, I think, for Indiana
Jones 4, but even he, Sean
Connery, had the good sense
to not want to hang out with Shia LaBeouf every day.
That's a really good idea. Okay, here we go.
For reals this time. For reals, Avengers.
So, August was written as a...
Nah.
Nah.
There's also a scene in British Avengers where the lake has been frozen over, I think.
Never seen it.
Don't know.
The Thames River has been frozen over.
Yeah.
So, the two super spies get in, like, big rolly balls.
Like Gladiator.
Yeah, like Gladiator balls.
Not Gladiator the movie.
No, but yeah.
American Gladiators. Where do they get them from? I don't know. Spy, like Gladiator. Not Gladiator the movie. No, but yeah, American Gladiators.
Where do they get them from?
I don't know.
Spy shop?
Oh, yeah.
The spy house?
Spy barn?
I don't know.
It's been a long time, man.
It sure has.
Yeah.
Avengers, though.
Yep.
Not the 90s one.
Third grossing...
Third highest grossing film of all time.
Ooh.
Avatar?
Yes.
What's the second one?
I think...
Titanic?
Titanic.
Right.
And I think Dark of the Moon or... I think it's Transformers 3 or 2, is like number 5 or something.
Really?
Yeah.
Ew.
Yeah.
Ew.
Yeah.
Is that the third one?
I think it's the third.
It's either the second or the third one.
Right.
I have no idea.
But I don't even know if it's...
Yeah.
It's the second or the third, and I don't know what the name of those are.
No.
It's irrelevant.
Yeah.
Isn't that baffling, though?
I understand Titanic
Right
Because it's like
Everybody sees Titanic
Because it's got the love story
It's got a boat sinking
And people hit propellers
Sure
So men tell their friends
They're like
There's a bit where a guy
Hits a propeller
And you see
See the boobs of a girl
And then other people go
Oh cool
And the women are like
It's so beautiful
Whatever
That's my women voice
Wow
A little bit sexist
You have nailed both men and women
in that statement.
You are very good.
So I can see,
in a nutshell,
I can see the appeal.
I don't see the appeal
of Dark of the Moon
or either any of those movies
that that would make that much money.
I remember seeing the second one
because everybody was seeing the second one.
Yeah.
I didn't love the first one
but everybody was seeing the second one
so I felt I had to.
Yeah.
And I guess that's how they get it.
It's like that, isn't it?
Because they're making a new one. I'm sorry, I know this is off. And I guess that's how they get you. It's like that, isn't it? Because they're making a new one.
I'm sorry, I know this is off topic.
But I don't like any of those movies.
One's okay. Yep. Until they
start talking. Yeah.
The opening scene where they
the helicopter blows up the military base is pretty amazing.
Sure, yeah. But
I will still go see the fourth movie. Yeah.
Which is baffling. I think I'm the
problem, really.
Because even me, who knows better...
You know why?
Because what's going to transform into what?
Yeah.
That's the question.
Dinobots apparently this time around.
See, there we go.
I'm back on board.
Here's the thing.
I mentioned this before in one of my videos on the YouTube channel, Mr. Sunday to Movies.
Yes.
If you're disguising yourself as something...
is if you're disguising yourself as something,
how does turning from a giant metal robot man to a giant metal dinosaur,
how does that disguise you in any way?
I feel what's going to happen is
they're going to fall into an animatronic dinosaur exhibit
or something like that.
You laugh.
You laugh because that is a hilarious visual image,
but that is exactly what's going to happen.
They're going to fall into a dinosaur exhibit
or like the La Brea Tar Pits
where there's like a prosthetic dinosaur on display
or something or like a museum
and the Dinobots are going to be of lower intelligence.
So they're going to scan those
and assume that they're going to get along fine.
Okay.
Well, there you go.
You know what?
I bet if they're not going to do that,
if Michael Bay hears this, he'll change it
because that is the best idea in cinematic history. Also, I'm just going to do that, if Michael Bay hears this he'll change it. Because that is the best idea
in cinematic history. It's a really good idea, isn't it?
Also, I'm just going to quickly say this. I've said this before.
These movies are terrible.
There's a scene in part three where
Megatron's in the desert and he's walking
in the desert and he's all messed up from the previous movie
and he's wearing a cloak.
Of course, yeah. Why? Because he gets a bit
chilly. That's the thing.
Obviously he's a robot.
I've misread these movies Of course, yeah. Why? Because he gets a bit chilly. That's the thing. Obviously, he's a robot. Really?
I've misread these movies completely.
He's a robot.
Why are all these men fighting that robot?
All the bunch of men, the really tall men.
Why are they fighting a robot?
I can't explain it to you.
It's one of those things, if you don't get it, you can't explain it to somebody else.
I understand.
I understand.
I get it, yeah.
But also...
Maybe corrosion?
Bits of dust
bits of sand
but it doesn't even
cover him properly
oh then fashion
yeah well that's the thing
it's either warmth
stupid
fashion stupid
corrosion
I guess
didn't think of that
disguise
you can change it to a
tank
or a jet
or whatever
you can change it into a jet
or a sand dune
you can transform into that
because they can transform
into anything in those movies.
Yeah.
They can scan.
Yeah.
But they only really do it once.
Maybe a palm tree?
Yeah.
No, but some of them can do.
Yeah, but even then
you look like a metal palm tree.
I don't know.
Or a metal sand dune.
Some of those Transformers
are pretty good at transforming.
That's true.
How did we get to here?
Oh, God.
How did we get back?
We don't.
There's no way to get back.
There's no way to get back.
Okay. Transformers, not very good. We're going to keep watching them because we're idiots. Yeah do we get back? We don't. There's no way to get back. There's no way to get back. Okay.
Transformers, not very good.
We're going to keep watching them because we're idiots.
Yeah.
Okay.
I think that's it.
Here we go.
This is interesting.
Is it?
No.
No.
Yes.
No, it will be.
You know the upcoming Captain America Winter Soldier movie we were talking about before?
It's going to be the best movie ever.
It's going to be the best movie ever.
There was a whole lot of deleted scenes from the Avengers where it shows Captain America
adjusting to modern life.
So maybe he's in a diner
and he squeezes the sauce bottle too hard.
I don't know.
I think they had sauce bottles back then.
But they're slightly different
so he wouldn't be used to them.
Yeah.
Right?
Maybe like he tries to buy war bonds
on Twitter or something like that.
That would be a dilemma
that he would get into, isn't it?
Maybe he gets like done for sexual harassment
because the standards in a workplace are different. Yes's probably i understand why i deleted those scenes now that
makes a lot of anyway those scenes though yeah of him adjusting are going to be used apparently in
the winter soldier huh which i think is okay maybe he takes a laptop and he puts it on a phonograph
because they're like there's all the music's on iTunes, Captain America, and he puts the laptop...
That'd be a bit of a situation.
What a hilarious guy.
Anyway, the Avengers.
Let's talk about the Avengers.
I don't think we've actually got to it yet.
This is something...
One more fact, and then we'll get to it, and then we'll get back to Transformers.
Okay, please.
Okay.
They actually got the rights to put Oscorp Tower from the Amazing Spider-Man movie in this.
But it was too late. They'd already computer-generated the New York skyline and whatever. got the rights to put Oscorp Tower from the Amazing Spider-Man movie in this.
But it was too late.
They'd already computer generated the New York skyline and whatever.
So they didn't end up doing it.
Which indicates to me that at some point we might see a crossover into the Spider-Man universe.
I'm okay with that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Spider-Man's a reserve Avenger.
That's totally fine.
There'll probably be a misunderstanding.
Yeah.
And they all beat him up.. And they all beat him up.
Yeah, they all beat him up.
Well, the Hulk strikes first and then it's kind of all over.
Yeah.
But it'd be interesting to see, though, because if you put Spider-Man in that movie, in an Avengers movie, what's the cut?
Where do you split the profits on that?
Because he's one guy.
Because I would go see that movie even if he wasn't in it.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where do you cut it? Where do you draw the line? I don't know. We'll never know. We'll never know. Because he's one guy. Because I would go see that movie even if he wasn't in it. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where do you cut it?
Where do you draw the line?
I don't know.
We'll never know.
We'll never know.
Yeah, but The Avengers.
Yep.
I think it's great.
Yeah.
I think every element of that movie is there for a purpose.
Nothing happens by accident.
No.
Like, at the start of the movie, Nick Fury arrives by helicopter and he can sort of,
you know, there's some
sort of disaster
ongoing.
But he gets out of the helicopter and you know he's the boss.
You don't have to
explain it to anybody. You don't have to have seen anything.
Yeah, exactly.
It stands really well as
a standalone film, but if you are a fan
of all the others,
it just flows on. But again, if you have no idea, you can pick it up.
Yeah.
And hence why it made that much money.
Because I think that's basically what happened.
A lot of people went in.
A lot of people I know who don't, you know, know what a movie is, still went and saw it.
Yeah.
Good on them.
Like my dad.
Yeah.
But yeah.
I think a criticism of it is that it spends a lot of time on characters that maybe aren't
that interesting.
Like, you don't really see the Avengers for a while.
Like, at the start, it's like, oh, here's Hawkeye.
Here's the girl from How I Met Your Mother.
Uh-huh, sure.
Here's Eric Sel...
Not Eric Selvin, is that his name?
The Eastern European guy from Thor.
Yep.
What's his name?
Selvig.
Selvig.
Yeah.
Grin.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think there's a bit of that.
But that kind of resolves itself fairly quickly. Yeah. Grin. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there's a bit of that, but that kind of, that kind of resolved itself fairly quickly.
Yeah.
There's like a 10,
15 minute bit where it's kind of like,
where's this going?
What's happening?
I don't feel there's any dead spots.
Really?
Yeah.
Okay.
Tell me where,
where is that?
Just that,
I think that,
you know what?
You're probably right.
Exactly.
A bit too much kind of,
basically what I'm saying is a bit too much Black Widow,
a bit too much Hawkeye.
Okay. Right throughout the whole thing
yeah yeah
nothing against either
of those characters
but I don't think
they should get as much
screen time as they do
wow
yeah
Scarlett Johansson
less so
because I think
she actually did some
interesting stuff
with that character
that scene where
she kind of
reverse interrogates
Loki
I was going to say
Thorky
yeah Thorky
exactly yeah
but I went with Loki
where she reverse
interrogates a corgi
so odd what an odd situation yeah shouldn't have waterboarded you know what I think my problems I was going to say Thorky. Yeah, Thorky. Exactly, yeah. But I went with Loginion. Where she reverse interrogates a corgi.
Yeah.
So odd.
What an odd situation.
Yeah.
Shouldn't have waterboarded it. You know what?
I think my problems actually come back to Hawkeye.
That's what I'm basically saying.
Is it the actor?
Do you not like Jeremy Renner?
I don't think Jeremy Renner is great, to be honest.
I think he's a bit of a charisma vacuum.
Oh, that's just...
And he's not a...
He's okay, but...
Hmm.
You know, I can take him or leave him.
If they swapped him out, I wouldn't care. Is it probably a better idea, but, you know, I can take him or leave him. If they swapped him out, I wouldn't care.
Is it probably a better idea then that they did make him sort of a mind-controlled villain?
Yeah.
Because if you personally had to deal with him through the entire film and his non-charisma...
I'd wait till he was asleep and I'd hit him with a brick.
Wow.
That's how you deal with him.
Wow.
Yeah.
But no, what am I complaining about?
It's an amazing movie.
It's funny. Yep. It's action-packed. Wow. Yeah. But no, what am I complaining about? It's an amazing movie. It's funny.
It's action-packed.
Yes.
Sexy stunts.
Blockbuster hit.
Oh, blockbuster hit.
Yeah.
Great, great.
It builds to the conclusion really, really well.
I think it's got some really good action scenes during it, but it really crescendos at that
amazing New York battle scene.
Uh-huh, yeah.
Yeah.
And I like the bit where he goes into space and then comes out of space.
That was pretty good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the Hulk catches him.
Wish they didn't put that in the trailer, though, where the Hulk catches him.
That's true, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I remember seeing the trailer and being like, that was amazing.
Mm-hmm.
And, yeah, it's probably one of the best bits of the movie.
A lot of people are very upset that when he goes through the portal and he throws the
missile at the bad guys and then he tumbles back through space.
People are like, whoa, there's no gravity in space.
How would he...
Maybe gravity is flowing into space.
I was going to say that the localized atmosphere switches around at each side of the portal.
Oh, that makes sense.
Yeah, doesn't it, though?
Yeah.
Have you been on forums telling people this?
No, no.
What are you doing after this show?
I should go on some forums, shouldn't I, and tell people that theory.
Do you want to hear my theory about the Avengers?
I want to hear your Stan Lee impersonation.
I don't.
I can't do it.
I'm self-conscious about it now.
Okay, go for it.
We'll save it for a bonus episode.
I'll work on it in the mirror.
All right, good.
And then I'll do it later.
So at the end of the movie, we see Thanos in the mid-credits.
And as we know, if you're a comic book reader from the 90s,
that Thanos' ultimate goal is sort of the annihilation of all life in the universe. Why? credits and as we know if you're a comic book reader from the 90s uh that thanos's ultimate
goal is sort of the annihilation of all life in the universe what why well a a he's mad as a bag
of cats but specifically it's because he sees death as sort of this beautiful oh that's right
he's in love and he feels that if he kills everybody in the universe she'll go on a date
with him i guess doesn't doesn't Death end up dating Deadpool?
Yeah, I think briefly, sure.
Yeah.
But so, if you're going to annihilate all life in the universe, that's going to be a
real chore if you have to do it one planet at a time.
That's true, yeah.
So, you know, his goal is to acquire the Infinity Gauntlet, which can annihilate all life in
the universe like that, with a snap of the old.
Why would anybody make that?
Yeah, it's weird, isn't it?
You wouldn't just leave it aside.
And so, you know, the question is
where in the Marvel Cinematic Universe
is the Infinity Gauntlet?
And as we know, if you pause a lot in Thor,
you can find it.
It's in the treasure room in Asgard.
But there's no way to get to Asgard
because if you remember,
if you saw the movie Thor,
at the end of Thor
Knocked the bridge out.
The rainbow bridge
is broken and that's
the only way to access
Here we go though.
Yep.
In Thor the Dark World
upcoming.
Yes.
Which is the reason
we are doing this.
Okay.
Mr. Sunday to the
YouTube channel.
Yes.
You see him arrive
on the rainbow bridge.
Oh they put it back together.
They must have put it
back together.
Oh that throws my
whole theory down the throat.
No it doesn't because
that then would give somebody access to it yeah but my
which would mean it could get stolen my feeling is that the only way that you can get without the
rainbow bridge the as we find out the only way to get back back and forth from asgard to earth
yes to odin yeah and sacrifice some of his power in some way and he gets thought to earth yeah so
what thanos's plan is is to send is he finds loki floating in deep space he sends Thor to Earth. Yeah. So what Thanos' plan is, is to send...
He finds Loki floating in deep space.
He sends him to invade Earth,
knowing that Thor is going to be sent out
to retrieve him.
Oh, okay.
And then, whether the Avengers win or lose,
Loki gets his way back.
Either he gets the device
and he goes back to Asgard,
or Thor captures him and takes him back to Asgard or Thor captures him and
takes him back to Asgard.
In either case, Thanos now is an inside man into Asgard.
That's a really good theory.
Did you think of that theory with your own brain?
Yeah, my own brain.
That's pretty good.
I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of it.
I bet you are.
I bet I'm the first person who ever had a thought about a Marvel movie.
That's really interesting.
I hope that plays out exactly like that.
I don't think it will, though.
I hope it doesn't, and then I'm going to play this in the next episode.
Just loop it forever and ever.
Just put it in my gravestone, this little loop.
But Avengers, best movie ever.
Best movie ever.
Didn't even have to finish the sentence.
Didn't even...
You knew what I was going to say.
Best movie ever.
We always finish each other's sentences.
Yep.
I've just come from work.
You're a little frazzled, I understand.
Just a tad.
Well, there's only one more we need to talk about then.
This year's cinematic triumph or disappointment, Iron Man 3.
Is that a yes?
We've talked about it a little before, but it's...
How about some trivia?
That'll brighten the day.
Oh boy, go ahead.
Okay, the dragon Guy Pearce has on his chest is Fin Fang Foom, apparently.
Fin Fang Foom.
Oh, that's adorable.
I never even thought of that.
Never thought of it either.
I just thought it was just a general douchebag tattoo, and he's got his chest because he's
become ripped, and now he's a douchebag.
I thought that's what was happening there.
But that's fun.
Okay.
Yeah.
Can you see little purple underpants?
I just read this.
I have no idea.
I'm going to look at it later.
I'm not.
Okay.
Maybe I will.
Yeah.
So there you go.
Originally, Trevor Slattery, spoiler alert.
Oh, by the way, spoiler alert for every movie we've been talking about.
Oh, yeah.
Good point.
Trevor Slattery, he was going to take the extremist virus at the end, drug at the end,
thinking it was like a drug, like a cocaine or a marijuana.
Yep.
A jazz cigarette.
And explode from it.
I guess that would be funny.
Yeah.
To see Ben Kingsley explode.
That would be funny.
Yeah.
No, I don't like that.
Okay, fair enough.
Like in a post-credit sequence?
I don't know. That's what it in a post credit sequence I don't know
that's what it just says
that sounds awful
it doesn't seem necessary
no not at all
because he's not a particularly bad guy
yeah
so it's kind of like
unless
maybe people
there's also a theory
that Trevor Slattery
is actually the Mandarin
I kind of hope he is
yeah
like I
again
Iron Man favourite character
growing up
there's no
there's no other
I mean they can do what they want with the franchise but I don't think there character growing up. There's no other...
I mean, they can do what they want with the franchise,
but I don't think there's any other villain...
There's no other characters who've been translated to film
and their chief villain has become just a goof.
Yeah.
Just for a weird twist value.
I don't think there is.
I think you're right.
Yeah.
Lex Luthor.
Oh, boy.
But he's
Iron Man's
most formidable foe
and you just
brush him aside
and go
this idiot
but it would
make more sense
to suggest
that he is
in fact
the real Mandarin
in fact
that would be perfect
I mean
the Mandarin
has
in the comic books
an incredible
capacity for survival I thought you were going to say incredible moustache he's, an incredible capacity for survival.
I thought you were going to say incredible moustache.
He's got an incredible moustache, first of all.
First and foremost, that's part of the reason he always survives.
Yeah.
But there's been scenes in Iron Man books before
where his flying fortress has crashed into a mountain or something like that
and the shield shows up and they're like,
we're going to search for his body.
And Iron Man's like, well, yeah, you're going to find body and it's gonna you're gonna be able to identify it as the
mandarin but it's it's not gonna be him like he's done this so many times yeah you know i'm just
used to it now so i you know i feel that an elaborate double bluff where he's in fact the
mandarin would be great but i don't think that's what's gonna happen no because i think the trilogy
is finished i don't think they it's obviously i don't think it's written that way no yeah if they
did it would be a retcon kind of thing. Yeah.
And I think if they did do that do you think people would look more
favourably upon that twist?
I think they would go back on the previous
three films with a fine tooth
comb and sort of build
reasons for that to be the case.
Like they would, I certainly would.
Like hey remember that? Yeah okay.
It's weird though that it builds to that character
because it builds to him over three movies.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And look, it's one of those things where I don't actually care.
Right.
But what really annoys me, and I hate this from any kind of movie,
and they do this in Star Trek Into Darkness,
and pretty much any J.J. Abrams thing or whatever.
Lance Flairs.
Lance Flairs.
Where they go, expect this particular thing,
and then they twist it
but it's for no reason
and it adds nothing
right exactly
like the whole Khan thing
from Star Trek
right exactly
like there's no point
to saying
he's not Khan
he's not Khan
oh it is Khan
fine
it just
it doesn't matter
it's not a twist
you've just lied
it's not a twist
that's actually a really good point
it's bizarre to me
but I think
yeah you're right
and
yeah no it is a pointless twist.
Yeah.
I kind of wanted to see him fight Iron Man with magic rings.
This will make you happy then.
Will it?
Yes.
I found this this morning.
I'm sorry, everybody.
I found it.
Okay.
The idea of Mandarin being the false face of the corporation was Guy Pearce's idea.
And Shane Black ran with it. Oh, Guy Pearce. Australia's own Guy Pearce's idea and Shane Black ran with it.
Oh, Guy Pearce.
Australia's own Guy Pearce.
No, he's not.
Whatever it, no.
You can have him, Norway.
I don't even care.
Oh, rubbish.
I was waiting to drop that on you.
I'm so happy.
Why, Guy Pearce?
Why?
That must have been
pretty late in the game to change that, though, don't you think?
No, surely not, because they would have had to...
Oh, they would have had to have given him...
Yeah.
Because Guy Pearce was...
Going in, I thought Guy Pearce was a much smaller character.
Because, you know, he's in the Prometheus movie, and he's in that.
He's a much smaller character.
I remember him saying in an interview,
I like coming in doing these small but pivotal roles. Right, right, right. But it turns out he was quite a major player in that. He's a much smaller character. I remember him saying in an interview, I like coming in doing these small but pivotal roles.
Right, right, right.
But it turns out he was quite a major player in that movie,
as was Don Cheadle, as was not Terrence Howard.
Correct.
No, don't listen to actors.
Never?
Never, never ever.
Okay.
Yeah.
Lesson there.
Best movie ever?
Worst movie ever.
Worst movie ever.
Yeah.
I think I've said this before or we've said this before.
It works as a buddy comedy.
It does.
It doesn't work as an Iron Man film.
I remember when I reviewed it on YouTube.
Yeah.
That I said...
Movies on Sunday.
It's not...
It's better than Iron Man 2.
But I don't know if it is, in hindsight.
And I know that's going back on my word.
But I'm in the opinion, though though you can change your opinion on movies
I don't think you have to be locked into something for life
if I'm going to change my opinion
I will or won't
because that's my choice
that's your prerogative
but I don't know if it is better than 2
in hindsight
I think they're both ok
and by that I mean the worst movie ever
3's probably got better action sequences
yes
Robert Downey Jr got a lot of money also worst movie ever 3's probably got better action sequences yes but yeah
Robert Downey Jr.
got a lot of money
also
yeah
also second Marvel movie
to make a billion dollars
wow good one man
I don't think any more
of them up until
the next Iron Man movie
though or next Avengers
will make a billion dollars
give us some future
upcoming films
okay sure
Thor the Dark World
coming out October 31st
in this country
and the UK
November 7th in the US.
Uh-huh.
That's just off the top of my head.
Wow.
I'm the human calendar.
You are so good at that.
I know.
Also coming this year, The Hunger Games, Catching Fire.
You can't see the dead-eyed look in his eyes when he says these things.
The Secret Life of Walter Mitty, Christmas Day, Ben Stiller.
I'm kind of looking forward to that
yeah it looks good
whimsical as fuck
yeah exactly
yeah
okay
seriously
Guardians of the Galaxy
next year
okay I'm excited for that
I said before
I don't know much
about the Guardians
of the Galaxy
that still rings true
because I haven't
looked it up since
but I think that's
going to be a good movie
based on the leaked footage
it does look exactly like
they've gotten
Drax the Destroyer
absolutely right
they've gotten
Rocket Raccoon.
Yeah.
Exactly right.
Bradley Cooper.
Yeah.
Weird choice, but I think it'll be alright.
You know who I really wanted to play Drax the Destroyer, though?
The Khal Drago from Game of Thrones.
Oh, yeah, okay.
Well, there we go.
The Drax the Destroyer guy, he's a wrestler.
We can see if he acts.
Actually, he's in Riddick.
He's okay in Riddick.
There you go.
Two wrestlers that can sort of act.
Three.
Who's the third one?
Hulk Hogan.
Sorry.
Stone Cold Steve Austin
what's he in
I don't know
some awful action film
he's probably in the
Walking
he's in the Expendables
probably
oh yeah
he's probably in the
Walking Tall sequel
so I'm pretty sure
that's Kevin Sorbo
oh dear
yeah
and after that
we've got
The Winter Soldier
I think Thor's
going to do pretty
alright
because it's going to
come off the back
of Iron Man 3
and Avengers and I think people are well sold on Thor now yeah but I think Thor's going to do pretty alright because it's going to come off the back of Iron Man 3 and Avengers
and I think people are well sold on Thor now
but I think they are going to steadily decline
because Avengers is over
and that was sort of the narrative peak
of those things
but I'm really looking forward to what they do with Age of Ultron
I actually just read Age of Ultron recently
never read it
it's okay
but they're only going
would you say it's the best comic book ever or the worst comic book i would say it's a four out of six wow no no it's if i had to say
it's the worst wow there's a lot of the thing is though it's it's very wolverine focused and it's
very sue storm focused okay so when they said we're not going to use much of that comic if any
they can't so yeah exactly and it's all time travel and multiple realities.
Right, yeah, yeah.
It's in name only.
And I can see why they would do that.
Because they're changing it as well,
that Hank Pym, in the comic,
Hank Pym creates Ultron
and then Wolverine goes back and kills him
and then he goes back and stops himself from killing him.
Spoiler alerts.
And they're obviously not going to do that.
Also because Hank Pym's not going to be
in the Avengers 2
that Ant-Man's coming after
and Tony Stark
is going to have a hand
in creating it
because you know
if you've seen the teaser trailer
they show the Iron Man helmet
and there's some
banging sounds
and then it becomes
the Ultron helmet
and James Spader goes
do you remember Stargate?
that's in the trailer
it's not in the trailer
you've made that up
I've re-edited a version of that.
Oh, okay.
Well, then you haven't made it up.
Which you can find on the YouTube.
Good for you.
Yeah.
But I think that'll be good.
Apparently he wants to go a bit more character-driven in The Avengers 2.
Is Joss Whedon involved in this one?
Yeah, he's directing it.
Then I'm on board.
Best movie ever.
You're calling it?
Yeah, calling it best movie ever, yeah.
I think that about wraps up this particular episode, then.
Is there anything that you would like else to talk about?
Nah. about wraps up this particular episode then is there anything that you would like else to talk about nah how does anybody
how do we get
so many downloads
I don't know
it's baffling
I've been
I've been going
door to door
oh okay
and showing old people
how to upgrade iTunes
jeez
that's a painful exercise
I'd imagine
if boys never
but look
next week I think we're going to be talking about the Batman Arkham Origins game.
Oh, I should get it in place.
Yeah.
So we'll get that.
We'll play through it as much as we can.
We'll get together.
We'll talk about that.
Maybe some other Batman games that we've played.
Okay, good.
Just quickly, have you ever played Batman Returns and the Atari Lynx?
No, although I played the Batman Returns Adventure game on PC.
That's a forgotten classic.
Is it good?
Worst game ever. Okay. That's a forgotten classic. Is it good? Worst game ever.
Okay.
That's fair enough.
So, yeah.
But look, if there's anything that you'd like us to talk about,
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Thanks again for listening.
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no you don't
do you remember
there was a thing
though in the 90s
when we were kids
where there was a
big thing like
don't get in a fridge
that was like
a massive thing
where it's like
if you get in a fridge
you'll die
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kids listeners
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