The Weekly Planet - 4 Best & Worst Marvel Movies

Episode Date: October 22, 2013

This episode we’re talking the best and worst films from the MCU. From Iron Man to Captain America: The First Avenger, from Thor to The Avengers. We break them all down best to worst. Poor...ly. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:55 We're recording the television podcast. I'll cut this out. No, leave that in. Leave, leave, leave. No, actually, cut that out. I'm more than a bird. I'm more than a bird. I'm more than a plane. I'm more than some pretty face.
Starting point is 00:01:12 I'm your sad train. How do you like that one? I honestly thought you were out of songs. I am surprised. Quickly, name one more firefighting song. Can you? I'll give you this dollar. You can't.
Starting point is 00:01:21 It's not going to happen. I can't. I really... I can't think of any. Okay, let me get... No, actually, I haven't done any research. That can't i really i can't think of any okay let me let me get no i actually haven't done any research that was a bluff i couldn't think of any either but i would have accepted um saturday night's all right for five for fighting that's not a real song that's not a real song uh i would have accepted um five for fighting two for furious
Starting point is 00:01:39 and i also would have accepted don't tell mom, The Babysitter's Fight for Fighting, which was their biggest hit. Great song. It's great. You've really taken me back with that. Yeah, absolutely. To a different time, to a better time, I would say. Is that song became famous because of Smallville, or was that famous on its own? I kind of think that at some point they put the call out.
Starting point is 00:02:01 Just make a bunch of songs about Superman? Like, we're going to... Because there was a lot at once yeah like I think they said hey we're gonna do this show about Superman yeah everybody put in your two cents
Starting point is 00:02:09 and everyone went this will be really good yeah exactly three dollars down got me a crack exactly god did you know
Starting point is 00:02:16 and I learned this this week did you know this is not this is not comic movie related maybe it is kind of sure were you aware that there's a brothel
Starting point is 00:02:24 in Melbourne called the Daily Planet I did not know that were you aware that there's a brothel in Melbourne called The Daily Planet? I did not know that. Were you aware of that? No. Okay. Do they have a website? I don't know. That's all I know about it. Can we get someone in from there? I guess we could get someone in, or we could send in a correspondent of some
Starting point is 00:02:38 sort? You're talking about you, aren't we? No! Ooh, no. The thing about it, though, is having never been, I feel that I would... I mean, I wouldn't go for a lot of reasons, but, no. The thing about it, though, is having never been, I feel that I would... I mean, I wouldn't go for a lot of reasons, but... Sure. But I feel that if I went, if it wasn't comic book themed,
Starting point is 00:02:53 I'd be very disappointed. But at the same time, if it was comic book themed, I'd be disgusted. So there's no winner there. If it was comic book themed, how poorly do you think it would be done, though? Do you think it would be, like,
Starting point is 00:03:04 ill-fitting kind of, not even costumes, like weird art on the wall that doesn't quite match like Wolverine's or weird colour? Yeah, definitely. You know, instead of claws he's maybe got penises. Like some sort of off-brand McDonald's, absolutely. But what I was going to say, because apparently that's quite a famous one and there's another brothel. You know a lot
Starting point is 00:03:20 about brothels in Melbourne. That's interesting. We can cut this out. But there's another brothel called Gotham City. Huh. That's interesting. We can cut this out. But there's another brothel called Gotham City. Huh. There's two. There's two comic book themed brothels in
Starting point is 00:03:29 Melbourne. Maybe it's run by the same guy or girl. Or girl. Or they're across the road from one another and it's two bitter rivals who've decided
Starting point is 00:03:37 to come out with competing brothels. That's my feeling. Is that the Marvel and DC of brothels? I guess so, yeah. But also, owner of Gotham City, if you are listening, it should be called the Gotham Gazette. When you think about it.
Starting point is 00:03:50 What an idiot. What an idiot. What an idiot. I hope there's more. I hope there's like the Star City Observer comes out. Or like the Coast City Sex Crater. That'd be great. Nobody would get that.
Starting point is 00:04:02 Oh yeah, no, that's a bit... That's amazing. Wow, I learned learnt something I know right I appreciate that That is comic book related And brothel related Hello listeners Hello
Starting point is 00:04:10 Welcome back We appreciate you coming back We're episode 4 now Can you believe it? Of the Weekly Planet Of the Weekly Planet Our podcast which we do The official podcast
Starting point is 00:04:19 Of comicbookmovie.com The website Are you familiar with it? Yes Yes I love it My name's James Or Mr. Sunday
Starting point is 00:04:26 You may know me From that Of the website Comicbookmovie.com Junior editor And with me as always Is Nicholas Mason Hey friends
Starting point is 00:04:34 Thanks for all the downloads Thanks for all the Yeah It's been The downloads have been Absolutely insane We're in the tens of thousands At this point
Starting point is 00:04:43 So we really appreciate You guys Coming back And leaving such positive feedback and just being general good dudes nice comments on itunes as well thank you for all the comments in all caps yeah as as james you might know i can't i've never actually learned to read in lowercase yeah so it really helps it's all the comic books it's it's enthusiasm as well It shows enthusiasm I think so Good on him That's great So no, we seriously do appreciate that though Thank you very much
Starting point is 00:05:08 Anything else before we get started? That's about it That's about it If you like the show, tell your friends Tell your friends I mean, not straight away Don't just jump into it No, don't tell your friends that already know either
Starting point is 00:05:19 Tell different friends Yeah Is that what you meant? Different friends Yeah, cool Just to distinguish those two things. Absolutely. So this week we thought, you know, Thor the Dark World is coming out in, I think it's
Starting point is 00:05:30 first week of November in the States and various other places. Thor the Dark World. I thought maybe we could do some kind of Marvel cinematic recap of all the Marvel-owned properties from Iron Man up until the present day. What do you think? No. I don't have anything else prepared. Then yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Let's do this. Fantastic. I'm very excited. I should. I panicked a little there when you said that. I should specify as well. These are just the Marvel owned properties we're talking about. I'm not talking about the X-Men ones which are owned by Fox, even though they're Marvel
Starting point is 00:06:04 properties. Same with Spider-Man, Fantastic Four. Obviously you guys already know this, but they're not technically owned by Marvel anymore. And even ones like Daredevil, which is now, and Hulk, which is now, and Ghost Rider, which is now. There are movies which are Marvel now, but the movies that came out for them, except for the Hulk, they made one for Marvel, were pre-owned by Marvel. What a complicated thing I just said. It was good. You had a lot of hand motions.
Starting point is 00:06:30 I did. That explained it really, really well, but it's unfortunate no one will ever get to see those. I also have this picture. What do you think? Ooh, wow. Ooh. Infograph.
Starting point is 00:06:37 Charoscuro shading. Delightful. So, yeah, I thought, um, let's start with the very first Marvel movie. How are we going to review these? Oh, sorry, I forgot to mention that. How this is going to work is... Is it going to be like 1 to 10?
Starting point is 00:06:51 Am I going to do it in stars? Well, I thought we could do something as technical and complex as that and give it a numerical value. Sounds like a lot of work. Sounds like way too much work. Also, people get really pedantic if you're like, I think it's an 8.5. They'll be like, what is this? You know. Yeah. All caps. I'm like I think it's an 8.5 they'll be like what is this you know yeah
Starting point is 00:07:05 all caps yeah thanks dad god so I thought maybe we could go you either have to say it's the best movie ever
Starting point is 00:07:14 or the worst movie ever no middle ground no middle ground so if you really like the movie but you're like ah but there's this bit that I know worst movie ever
Starting point is 00:07:20 fantastic fair enough I think that's fair because that's I think how the internet responds to most things anyway so I think why change that operate in fair. Because that's, I think, how the internet responds to most things anyway. So I think, why change that? Operating superlatives.
Starting point is 00:07:27 That's what I like to do. Extremes. Extremes. And I think it is a testament to the thousands of people. You know, when you watch the credits and there's thousands of people who all have put their heart and soul and their careers just on the line there. Absolutely. You can just say, worst movie ever.
Starting point is 00:07:41 I didn't like the bit. I didn't like the Stan Lee cameo. What's he doing? What a waste. Worst movie ever. I didn't like the bit. I didn't like the Stan Lee cameo. What's he doing? What a waste. Worst movie ever. Okay, let's do this. There's better actors that could have taken on that role. Yeah, brilliant.
Starting point is 00:07:52 Okay, well, obviously, we're going to be starting with 2008. The year 2008. Iron Man. The movie Iron Man from 2008. Have you seen the movie Iron Man from 2008? Yes. Good. Now, actually, also, I forgot to mention this, I've got a little bit of trivia for each movie to keep everybody listening interested.
Starting point is 00:08:12 I'm listening. Do you want to start with trivia and then we'll go opinions? You do what you want, man. Alright, I'll do that. You're on in this show. Okay, here we go. First thing, a lot of the dialogue ad-libbed. I love it. Well, you know what, did you have more to say?
Starting point is 00:08:25 No, that's it. That's all I have. Dialogue ad-libbed. I love it. Well, you know what? Did you have more to say? No, that's it. That's all I had. Dialogue ad-libbed. Well, when Marvel first came into being, like, the scripting for Marvel comic books was what sort of came to become known as the Marvel method. Is this the... I don't know what you're going to say.
Starting point is 00:08:38 But tell me. Okay, no, no, so... Tell everybody, I should say. Absolutely. So, with, say, DC Comics at the time, or a lot of the other comics yeah they'd say okay here's this action sequence panel one what is going to happen we're going to see a door we're going to panel two we're going to see the door open yeah and there's going to be
Starting point is 00:08:53 you know that whoever behind it like glowing eyes or whatever behind it and then panel three it's going to cut to the main you know the room and whatever the marvel method was more in the lines of there's going to be a battle sequence. It's going to be two pages. Do whatever you want to the artist. So if they wanted to do a nine-by-nine grid or if they wanted to do a splash page that covered two pages and it was just a splash of nonsense and mayhem, they could do that. And that was kind of... I mean, I guess it put...
Starting point is 00:09:22 On the one hand, it put more pressure on the artist. But on the other hand, it allowed them to sort of spread their wings creatively. Yeah, absolutely. Experiment. And hence why we've got so many wonderful characters from the Marvel Universe. Like what? Batman. Yeah, good.
Starting point is 00:09:36 He's a good one. He's the best. Yep. And you know as well, I actually heard this from Stan Lee recently in an interview. Personally? Personally. Yep. A lot of the time
Starting point is 00:09:46 the pictures were drawn and then they had to write the dialogue around the pictures. Fantastic. So that's got to be difficult I'd imagine to make something
Starting point is 00:09:53 that's not nonsense. That's got to be there's obviously skill involved in that. That probably explained why a lot of a lot of Marvel comics and a lot of comics
Starting point is 00:10:02 in general people would explain their powers as they were using them. Yeah. I mean, that was more 1980s. That was more Chris Claremont, John Byrne kind of X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, where Cyclops would be like, there'd be a thought balloon above his head and he'd be like, I'm just
Starting point is 00:10:17 going to open my ruby quartz crystal visor and use my optic blast to shoot open the door. You're like, who thinks like that? Nobody does. Cyclops thinks like that. I'm going to use my legs to walk across the room. Nobody you don't have to think it.
Starting point is 00:10:29 You just do it. Yeah. Jesus. When did Thorpolins disappear? That's a really good question. Like it's kind of they have it in a similar way
Starting point is 00:10:37 it's usually just a box and it's in the colour of yellow boxes. Yeah. But a lot of comics still do that though and that would be the colour also
Starting point is 00:10:43 distinguish what character is talking that kind of stuff. Yeah but it's more like it's more like a journal. comics still do that, though. And the colour also distinguishes what character's talking. Yeah, but it's more like a journal. Yeah, that's true. It's more like a, this is what happened. Yeah, it's not so much what is happening right now. I've better use my optic blast. As a member of the X-Men team, I best use my optic blast.
Starting point is 00:11:02 But yeah, improvised dialogue. I think there's a quote from Jeff Bridges and it's like we had no script man I think that's a direct quote from Jeff Bridges I think you might be right
Starting point is 00:11:13 actually yeah that's exactly it and I just ran with it I think the movie benefits from it but because I think the good thing about that
Starting point is 00:11:20 was they seem to have an overall structure and they just kind of obviously pasted in the bits that worked and I think for me that movie worked really well because of that. I think with lesser directors, lesser actors, that's going to be a disaster. But I think it lends itself well, until you kind of get to the last act.
Starting point is 00:11:35 The last act where Jeff Bridges goes insane for no reason. Yeah, that's it. I guess that was kind of a, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. Funny story. Yes. Not really. But, you know, there's a few other people Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. Funny story. Yes. Not really.
Starting point is 00:11:45 But, you know, there's a few other people who actually were interested in the Iron Man role. Robert Downey Jr. was always, I think, number one for Jon Favreau in a big way. But Tom Cruise turned down the role, apparently. As did Hugh Jackman, I read. Huh. Which is kind of strange. This is post-X-Men. This is post-X-Men.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Huh. Yeah. And not only that, I just thought I'd throw this in. Nicolas Cage expressed interest in 1997. Of course he did. Fantastic. That would have been a good one. That would have been the era.
Starting point is 00:12:09 Because now Iron Man is quite sleek and streamlined. That's back in the day when if a character wore a helmet, it was like a motorcycle helmet. So it would have had this giant bulbous head. It would have been great with Nicolas Cage inside it. Do you wish you saw it? Yeah, kind of. I don't. So, yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:29 And they actually planned to link this originally, in the original script, to the Spider-Man universe, even though they didn't own the rights to that. Because in the original draft, Tony Stark was the creator of the Doc Ock arms. Don't like that. Don't like it? Don't like it. Don't like him being given... No, I think Doctor Octopus needs that as part of his...
Starting point is 00:12:48 I think we established in episode one that his name's Larry Octopus. I think so, probably, yeah. Might have been Chad Octopus. I don't know. Yeah, sorry, what were you saying? Ah, I've lost my train of thought. Go back. Sure. So, early draft, Tony Stark must be the creator of the Doc Ock arms. Oh, that's right. I was going to say that Robert
Starting point is 00:13:04 Downey Jr., ultimately, the Tony Stark story is the Robert Downey Jr. story. Yeah, it is. I mean, he's an alcoholic millionaire in a flying suit. It's Robert Downey Jr. all over. Yeah, it is. Exactly. In a big way.
Starting point is 00:13:18 Yeah. Good on him. Good to have him back. I'm glad he's back. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to peak too early here, but Iron Man is probably one of my favourites. Friends? Friends.
Starting point is 00:13:28 He's one of my favourite friends. No, he's one of my favourite... It's one of my favourite Marvel movies, I think. Okay, cool. It's top tier? It's top tier. Awesome. It's the best one.
Starting point is 00:13:38 Really? It's the best. You're saying it now? No, I'm just... Because that's the rating system. Best movie ever. Alright, well, look. I just quickly want to say, you guys probably know this, but Jarvis in the comics is a butler.
Starting point is 00:13:48 Yeah, correct. He's a human male butler. Correct. In the movie, obviously, they change it to the computer intelligence AI person man. Just a really very intelligent system. Yes, that's right. Yeah. Isn't that good?
Starting point is 00:14:01 Yeah, I know. I'm writing around it. But they did that to... Sorry, they didn't want Batman comparisons. That was basically the idea behind that. Okay, that makes sense, yeah. Also, Terrence Howard was paid the most for that film. That anybody...
Starting point is 00:14:13 He was the first on board, paid the most. Now he's paid the least. But at the time... How about Zero? He's paid Zero. No, he's paid Zero. Okay, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:21 But look, I love that movie. Also one of my favourite. But I did say that the end action sequence I'm not incredibly happy with so I'm going to say worst movie ever wow controversial
Starting point is 00:14:31 so okay nah you know I'm going to say best movie ever because it's a great movie fantastic even that end sequence
Starting point is 00:14:40 I don't think it lets down the whole film I think it's all good I mean it works narratively because he wins because... I mean, he goes into the fight as the underdog. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:50 Because he's using the old reactor. Yeah. But he wins because, A, he knows features of the Iron Man suit that Stain doesn't. Yeah. Like that it won't survive in the upper atmosphere or freeze over. So he's got a legitimate reason for beating him. Exactly. And B, he's willing to sacrifice his own life in the end.
Starting point is 00:15:04 He's willing to make that sacrifice, and by chance he lives. Just like the Avengers. Yes. We'll probably get to that, won't we? Nah, we'll run out of time. Okay, next up, 2008, the same year. Anything else about Iron Man? So we've established it's the best movie ever.
Starting point is 00:15:18 He sure does kill a lot of dudes, and nobody mentions it. But doesn't he kill mostly terrorists? They're mostly terrorists sure. I love that scene. That's got to be one of the best comic book scenes though where
Starting point is 00:15:28 you first see him he lands and he just kills everybody immediately. And the tank missile it's all good. And then when they get the hostages and
Starting point is 00:15:36 then he targets all the terrorists and not the civilians and he just kills them all in one scene. Do you notice how good he is in that movie compared to
Starting point is 00:15:42 the third movie? Nah I blanked it out. Okay cool. No, really good though. But yeah, like the Punisher, he's killed a lot of people.
Starting point is 00:15:50 So many. Drug dealers and murderers and so forth. Public menace. Yeah. Fine man, killed a lot of dudes. Nobody brings it up.
Starting point is 00:15:57 Nice guy. Yeah, nice guy. Well, yeah. He's very charismatic. He's so charismatic, that's true. Now this year, I didn't actually see
Starting point is 00:16:04 this one of the movies, but the same year this came out, this is when they rebooted so charismatic. That's true. Now this year, I didn't actually see this one at the movies, but the same year this came out, this is when they rebooted The Hulk. The Incredible Hulk. Also 2008. I was overseas at the time, so I didn't get to see this at the movies. I wasn't, I'm okay with it. I don't love it.
Starting point is 00:16:17 What about you? It's pretty okay. I like Tim Roth in things. Yeah, he's great. He's great in things, sure. At the time, I thought Edward Norton was a great choice, and I still think he was a good choice, but I'm
Starting point is 00:16:27 glad. I think I've said this on a previous podcast that they swapped him out, though. I don't know. I mean, when was the last time you saw
Starting point is 00:16:32 that movie? 2008? Okay. No, it would have been later. I'm sure I've seen it on DVD since. Yeah, no, it's okay.
Starting point is 00:16:42 It's okay. Yeah. I think, I don't really like the look of the Hulk in it either. And not that the Ang Lee Hulk is great either. I mean, the best looking Hulk is obviously the Avengers, but I find he's a bit too... No, it's loofering you. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:16:56 We're just talking about Marvel Studios properties. Yes, yes. But no, he is the best looking Hulk though, you're right. Yeah. As a human, very attractive male. Yes, correct. That's what I'm Yes, correct. Okay, cool. But yeah, I think it was a bit kind of ripped, weird colour green. He was almost
Starting point is 00:17:10 grey green. Yeah. I mean, he has been grey, I guess. And he's been all sorts of variations of green, but I don't know if that really worked. Yeah, it was kind of, I feel he should be comic book green. Yeah. I think they dipped into an area of like well the first one is too comic yeah the first one is too comic book green we're gonna pull it back we're gonna cover him in mud and dirt and etc and then yeah then you're right i think they went too far in the other direction also i don't really think they balance the whole he doesn't look anything like bruce banner in any way like even so much as the hair is different like he's got longer hair as the hulk i don't know whether that's a thing that happens in the comics but um or ever has but
Starting point is 00:17:48 i know it just seems like that he's i don't know i don't see the link between the two as much as you do with mark uh rufio yeah i'll give you one piece of trivia for this because you know what trivia is not that interesting so maybe i'll just drop it but basically you know the you know what? Trivia's not that interesting, so maybe I'll just drop it. But basically, you know the shot earlier in the movie where his blood drops in the factory and it goes through all the floor
Starting point is 00:18:11 and it melts through, like the blood from aliens? That took, what was it, over a year to create that shot using visual effects, using computings.
Starting point is 00:18:20 You know what? I don't remember it. So full credit for those guys. Yeah, but it falls in the bottle and in the bottle of soda pop and then Stanley drinks it and he's like, And there's 20 minutes of that? You don't remember that?
Starting point is 00:18:34 20 minutes of Stanley agonising. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, okay, fair enough. A couple of interesting cameos. Yeah. Who were never referred to again. Doc Samson. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:42 As his psychiatrist. That's the guy from Modern psychiatrist yeah that's the guy from Modern Family it's the guy from Modern Family yeah I mean not the Doc Sampson of the comic
Starting point is 00:18:49 not the flowing green the blue the green hair Fabio yeah that's less so but um yeah also on post credit as well
Starting point is 00:18:57 Tony Stark oh yeah and Martin Starr as Mastermind Xello what? there's a deep cut for you Martin Starr yeah is in that movie. He's the...
Starting point is 00:19:07 From Party Down and... Yeah, he's like a grad student. Is he? Yeah. Oh man, I completely missed that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I'm going to have to go watch that right now. Okay, let's do that.
Starting point is 00:19:16 And edit point. Okay, that was pretty good. You didn't see all the cameos. I didn't watch it. I fell asleep. I apologize. That's unfortunate. But yeah, Tony Stark cameo, building the universe.
Starting point is 00:19:26 Yeah, yeah. And I linked that to another, to a Marvel short film, which we're not really going to talk about. Have you seen any of the Marvel one shots, just quickly? I have seen, is it called Item 17? Yeah. Clark Gregg is in it. Lizzie Kaplan.
Starting point is 00:19:39 Lizzie Kaplan. And they rebuild it. Party Down also. Party Down. Great show. There you go. Yes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:43 And they find the Chitauri weapon. Yeah. Get it going again. I thought they'd work them into S.H.I.E.L.D. when I saw that. Me too. Yeah. Maybe she's a bit too big for that now. Too cool.
Starting point is 00:19:53 Yeah, yeah. Gonna do a Cloverfield sequel. Didn't she die in that? She did. Spoiler alert. Prequel. No monster? No monster.
Starting point is 00:20:02 Just people being hip and hanging out in New York. Also, oh, quick thing. Oh, okay, right. This is the only comic book movie in 2008 that wasn't nominated for an Academy Award. So, Dark Knight was. Heath Ledger. Yep. Iron Man.
Starting point is 00:20:16 Probably visual effects. I have no idea. Hellboy 2, Electric Boogaloo. I'm assuming visual effects. I have no idea. Yeah, yeah. I think all those movies are better than Incredible Hulk. Yes. Yep. I'm assuming visual effects I have no idea yeah yeah I think all those movies are better than Incredible Hulk yes yeah
Starting point is 00:20:26 if we can digress into Hellboy I really Hellboy is probably one of my top four or five two or one one of the series
Starting point is 00:20:34 you know like two it's fine but I feel that I feel Hellboy when I think of Hellboy sort of intrinsically linked to sort of that whole Nazi Germany
Starting point is 00:20:43 origin story and if he's not fighting Nazis, are they undead? You know, I see why Guillermo wanted to do, you know, bring it into this, bring the Golden Army in. Yeah, yeah. More his original ideas. And I think he should be given full credit for that. Is that his original idea?
Starting point is 00:20:57 I think so. I did not know that. Maybe it's not. Write it in the thing, listeners. But no I feel he works best Fighting Nazis Fair enough
Starting point is 00:21:09 That's a fair point Yeah He does fight a lot of Nazis In the first Well one One sand Nazi Oh yeah sand Nazi That's what I meant
Starting point is 00:21:15 That's what we're referring to Cool Ten points If you can tell me Ten euro I'm going to change that Oh wow ten euro That's a lot
Starting point is 00:21:22 If you can tell me What Marvel movie Came out in 2009 I'm going to change that 10 euro you can tell me what Marvel movie came out in 2009 I'm going to let you guess was it Howard the Duck oh also Incredible Hulk worst movie
Starting point is 00:21:34 oh yeah worst movie ever so yeah it's not that bad but that being said worst movie ever yeah 2009 can you think do you know
Starting point is 00:21:40 do I know I know but do you know one of us knows it's me no I don't know it's zero movies Do you know? Do I know? I know. But do you know? One of us knows. It's me. No, I don't know. It's zero movies.
Starting point is 00:21:50 No Marvel movies in 2009. No, 2001, there you go. That's why I was drawing a blank. Not because I'm ignorant. I'm just going to put this 10 euro away. You big tease. The Australian currency is euro, by the way, for anybody who didn't know that. Did you know that?
Starting point is 00:22:04 No. You've been using the wrong money. I have. That's why I can't buy anything in stores. Okay, so we've got to obviously skip to 2010. This one... What could have come out in 2009? What could have?
Starting point is 00:22:15 Avatar. Oh, Avatar. There we go. That's pretty good. Worst movie ever. Worst movie ever. Yeah, the next one up was another Iron Man sequel. So they went Iron Man, Hulk, Iron Man again.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Interesting choice. Fair enough. Well, they need to make a billion dollars. That's true, I forgot. Yeah. I mean, I see why they're doing that. They don't want a success with Iron Man, a middling success with Incredible Hulk. Ah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:39 And then... Doctor Strange. Then Doctor Strange. Yeah, yeah. And then the whole thing falls in the toilet. Yeah, Iron Man 2 let's talk about it do you have trivia
Starting point is 00:22:47 I got a little bit of trivia Al Pacino was considered the Justin Hammer do you think he would have shouted his way through it as he does for most roles now yeah he really would have wouldn't he
Starting point is 00:22:56 yeah no I don't like it because Sam Rockwell is probably the best person in the world right yeah definitely with his dances and such
Starting point is 00:23:04 that movie is it's okay but Sam Rockwell is amazing in best person in the world, right? Yeah, definitely, yeah. With his dances and such. That movie is okay, but Sam Rockwell is amazing in that movie. Yeah, we've thought of that. Oh, yeah, we've talked about that before. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Justin Hammer traditionally is an older man. Yeah. So Rockwell was too young for the role. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:20 But, traditionally, but. Yeah. Pacino would have worked age-wise, but I don't think in any other level. No. Not really. I was going to say,
Starting point is 00:23:30 as well, I'm going to say too comic book-y if you go Pacino, which is a ridiculous thing to say. Too much of a one-dimensional caricature
Starting point is 00:23:37 for a movie about a man in an iron suit and a guy with lightning whips. Isn't that weird? I was going to say about Iron Man, just the first one, that they did change a lot from the comic books. And I think it's a testament to the writing of that. And even partly the second one, that I didn't mind.
Starting point is 00:23:59 Like, my favourite character when I was growing up was Iron Man. Really? Yeah, and I got a lot of stick for that, because X-Men was cool when I was growing up. That's true. So the nerds who liked X-Men was cool when I was growing up. That's true. And people were like, oh, Iron Man. So the nerds who liked X-Men more beat you up. Beat me up, exactly, yeah. God, those scars never heal.
Starting point is 00:24:12 But they did tweak it. Like they, you know... Well, the butler thing. The butler thing. Stark and Rhodes are friends. Yeah. Pre him becoming Iron Man. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:23 And so on and so... Obadiah Stane is his business partner, not a rival. But again, a testament to the characters that they tweaked it. And I think it's, you know, as opposed to something like Origins Wolverine, where they tweaked a lot and it just fell into the toilet. I feel like, though, since Iron Man, that a lot of times if you change something,
Starting point is 00:24:41 people flip out. I think people have become less kind of okay with that like with the mandarin i mean that's a bigger change though yeah obviously than what you're talking about but i don't know because now now people even look back at the nolan movies and they like that's bullshit this doesn't it's not true to the character whatever but at the time everyone was like these are the most amazing movies ever made but in hindsight people are getting pretty picky about them maybe maybe too much. Maybe not enough. Maybe not enough. What were we to say? Eww, let's not. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:07 What are we up to? I don't know. Okay. Sam Rockwell originally considered for Tony Stark. There you go. What do you think of that? Yeah, okay, I'm on board. Yeah. Yeah, I'm picturing with the facial hair. Yep. Yep. Okay, good. You'd have to dye his hair a little darker. Too blonde. I was going to say too blonde. Too blonde.
Starting point is 00:25:23 Maybe too slick. Oh, yeah. Like Robert Downey Jr. a little bit rough around the edges. He'd probably look a little bit weird with a little goatee as well. I don't think he'd look very... He'd kind of look a bit tweedly. Yeah, he would look very tweedly. Yeah. And he'd insist on turning up the ends of the moustache, I think.
Starting point is 00:25:40 So, best or worst movie ever? Worst movie ever. Worst movie... Worst movie ever. Worst movie... Worst movie ever. Worst movie ever. Yeah, no. There's a few good scenes. Love the race car scene.
Starting point is 00:25:48 Said that before. That's right, yep. A few other bits and pieces that are okay. Unnecessary Black Widow. Yep. Unnecessary Sam Jackson. That's the problem with that movie. I knew I wanted to say this.
Starting point is 00:25:58 Way too much Avengers build up. Not enough kind of Iron Man stuff. Sam Jackson apparently, part of the deal was that he was promised more screen time. Okay. And he nearly didn't come back for this movie. He nearly dropped from the franchise, apparently. And that's when they signed him for the nine-picture deal that he's currently on. Right, okay.
Starting point is 00:26:13 Which he's probably already filled out by now. I think so. I think he's covered all those bases now. Hmm. And also, again, I don't think we've mentioned this before, but it is another movie where Iron Man fights another armored villain at the end. Yeah. Move on, guys.
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Starting point is 00:27:33 Two good, you know, pretty good Marvel movies that year. I don't want to prejudge. No, go ahead. Two movies that year. Two movies that year, definitely. Thor. Yes. Just called Thor.
Starting point is 00:27:42 No subtitle. Just Thor. Yep. This is actually a little bit of trivia for you first movie I ever reviewed as a person I thought you were going to say first movie I ever saw first movie I ever saw
Starting point is 00:27:51 was Superman 4 A Quest for Peace wow that's a true story and you like comic book movies now that's weird I remember I was really young
Starting point is 00:27:58 I might have been maybe three and I might have even seen it when it came out I don't know maybe I even saw it at home I have a very vague memory have you ever seen it I have seen it might have even seen it when it came out. I don't know. Maybe I even saw it at home. I have a very vague memory of this. Have you ever seen it?
Starting point is 00:28:08 I have seen it. Have you pieced it together from clips on YouTube? And I've seen it recently. But I remember loving that movie. And I still hold a special place in my heart for that movie, even though it's the worst movie ever. But I'll say this. Yes?
Starting point is 00:28:18 It's better than three. Okay, it's better than three, you're right. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Because it's got Nuclear Man. Yeah, it's got Nuclear Man, with the voice of Lex Luthor
Starting point is 00:28:26 weirdly dubbed over that's pretty good nothing about that movie works no but I love it or do I it's got John Cryer
Starting point is 00:28:32 your favourite actor oh my god what a fuckhead that guy's he's alright I'm sure he's a nice guy but he doesn't make good things
Starting point is 00:28:42 ever except for Superman 4 and Quest for Peace. But anyway, I hate reviewing movies. Because, I don't know. It's just not something I enjoy. You picked a bad thing to do. I don't really review so much.
Starting point is 00:28:55 People always ask me, can you review this and review that? But there's nothing really interesting you can say about it without spoiling something. I don't really care. You can say non-stop action. Wall-to-wall drama. Yeah. Sexy stunts. about it without spoiling something I don't really care I don't see why I can say non-stop action that's true wall to wall drama yeah but if you do want to
Starting point is 00:29:07 sexy stunts film of the summer film of the summer blockbuster of the year yes what a great mockbuster of the year yeah
Starting point is 00:29:17 but if you do want to check out my reviews Mr. Sunday to Sunday Movie good plug yeah I don't even think that's my proper
Starting point is 00:29:24 YouTube channel. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Stan Lee apparently wanted to play Odin. What do you think of that? Oh boy. Oh boy. And he wouldn't take the glasses off either.
Starting point is 00:29:34 He certainly wouldn't. Oh dear. They didn't end up going with him though. They went with Academy Award winner Anthony Hopkins. Sir Anthony Hopkins. Sorry. Yeah. Or Stan Lee.
Starting point is 00:29:44 That's interesting. Yeah. Wow. Interesting choice. Did he really? That's Yeah Or Or Stanley That's interesting Yeah Wow Interesting choice Do you really That's what it says That's what it says The thing is
Starting point is 00:29:49 I hunted around For a lot of trivia I went to a lot Of different websites The weird thing was Then I went to IMDB last Because I'm like I don't want to just
Starting point is 00:29:55 Pull from IMDB Right But everything that I found Had been pulled from IMDB Oh I see So it's just I've wasted A lot of my time
Starting point is 00:30:04 You really did Also I'm skipping over most of these facts. Give me another fact though. No, I don't mind. Okay, here we go. Jim Carrey was the favourite. Wait, let me do my Stanley impression. Go. I don't have one. Hang on, here we go. Can I do my New York accent?
Starting point is 00:30:17 No, I don't have one. Hang on. No, wait. We can edit this out. No, because he wouldn't be vengeful and he wouldn't be sort of punitive and Thor, I'm casting you out into the Midgard. He'd be like... He'd be so excited. He'd be so excited.
Starting point is 00:30:37 He'd be so excited for everything. Good guy, though. Yeah, great. Seems like a good guy. Yeah, Jim Carrey apparently fagged it to play Loki. Glad they didn't do that. Yeah, no, that doesn't work. Yeah. I think, what a great choice, though. Pretty much guy. Yeah, Jim Carrey apparently fagged it to play Loki. Glad they didn't do that. Yeah, no, that doesn't work. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:45 I think, what a great choice, though. Pretty much unknown. Yeah. No, who they went with. Oh, Tommy Little Pitcher. Yeah, yeah. Okay, right. Also, Jim Carrey's already played Loki sort of in The Mask.
Starting point is 00:30:55 That's a really good point. That's something I made up then. That's not even trivia. That's something I put together. Well, you did. You used your analytical skills, your deductive reasoning. Take that, IMDB. That's right. You bitch. Because skills. Your deductive reasoning. Take that, IMDB! That's right.
Starting point is 00:31:06 You bitch! Because the mask is powered by Loki. Yeah. Yeah, Loki juice. Loki juice. Sorry, I just got something there. Okay, so, here we go. Sam Raimi actually planned to make this movie after he made Darkman in the 90s.
Starting point is 00:31:19 Remember Darkman? I do remember Darkman. I don't think I've seen it all the way through. Is that good? It's certainly quite dark. Yeah. I mean, it's how he transitioned from Evil Dead films to, you know, the Spider-Man franchise. It's, we should watch it again. Sure.
Starting point is 00:31:37 And talk about it. There's sequels as well. There's Die, Darkman, Die. That's Darkman 3. That's Darkman 3, sorry. There's Return of Durant, who was the villain in the first one, who was a guy from LA Law. Oh. And then Darkman 3, Die, Darkman Die, where Darkman was no longer played by Liam Neeson.
Starting point is 00:31:51 He was played by Arnold Bosley. From The Mummy. From The Mummy films. I think 2 and 3 was played by Arnold Bosley, wasn't it? Yeah. Wow. We should watch all those movies together. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:00 There is a great scene in the first Darkman where... I bet there is. Liam Neeson flips out over winning a stuffed elephant at a carnival. So you should see it if only for that. Doesn't he break
Starting point is 00:32:10 a guy's fingers or something like that? Probably. Do you mean on the set or do you mean in the film? He's a giant man. I like him. He's great.
Starting point is 00:32:18 Daniel Craig, first choice to play Thor. Don't like it. Me neither. I like Daniel Craig but... Picture him with long flying golden locks. Doesn't work. Wait. No, it doesn't. No, it. Me neither. I like Daniel Craig, but... Picture him with long flying golden locks.
Starting point is 00:32:26 Doesn't work. Wait. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't work. He doesn't have the... He doesn't have the build. I mean, he does have the build, but he's not... He has to be tall.
Starting point is 00:32:33 Daniel Craig's apparently not very tall either. And he doesn't have enough surface hair on his face for a really majestic beard. Like, he could grow one probably, given a few months. Yeah. But it would be all beard. Yeah. And he could sort of smoosh it up and find his little face in there. You know?
Starting point is 00:32:49 I've always said that he looks like a cross between a chimpanzee and a potato. And you say that to his face. It's weird. I know, but he's so small. Yep. His little legs, he can't catch me. Stuffy little legs. Nah, good guy.
Starting point is 00:33:01 Good Bond. But no, not Thor. Also, obviously the first appearance of Hawkeye, where they kind of shoehorn him in. They do, yep. Shoehawk him in, is the term. Yeah, very briefly, which I think is good. You don't want to be like, oh, this is the Hawkeye and Thor movie. Also, doesn't fire an arrow.
Starting point is 00:33:18 Do you remember there's a scene in it where he goes to grab a gun to stop Thor, and then you see him pause, and then he grabs the bow and arrow. That was pretty good. Dumb scene. No, love it. Didn't have to put it in. Love it.
Starting point is 00:33:28 I wish he'd gone through more options. Like, there was gun, and there was, like, a bit of wood with a nail in it, and, like, like a pie, like a custard pie. Like an angry dog. An angry dog that he could have hurled, sure. Yeah. And then bow and arrow. What do you think of Thor, though, in general?
Starting point is 00:33:44 I really enjoyed it me too it built it was a great world wasn't it they built a great Asgard yeah again another film
Starting point is 00:33:51 that I'm glad came out in 2011 not 1997 they planned apparently they were going to try and make a version of it in near 2000
Starting point is 00:33:58 with the guy who played Sabretooth in X-Men as Thor that guy a lot of people online always say get somebody bigger get a professional
Starting point is 00:34:05 wrestler heads up no professional wrestlers can act with the exception of The Rock of The Rock exactly
Starting point is 00:34:11 yeah who's the best yeah but I was really surprised by how much I enjoyed it because to be honest I didn't know a lot
Starting point is 00:34:17 about Thor why are you forgetting about Hulk Hogan oh yeah Superman and Commander I saw that at the cinema
Starting point is 00:34:22 yeah me too I had such a good time oh great but um yeah what um i thought it was really really good like i was saying sorry um i didn't know much about thor going in you a little bit obviously but i was really just impressed with the world and it's got me more interested in the character since because of that and what a performance by chris hemsworth our own chris hemsworth he's our chris hemsworth he's ours he's australian until he does
Starting point is 00:34:44 something wrong and then we're going to find a weird some other kind of cultural heritage he has and palm it off on them do you remember when has he ever been to New Zealand
Starting point is 00:34:51 he's from New Zealand it's like with the the Mel Gibson thing moved here I think when he was 19 maybe lived here for maybe 5 years and then left
Starting point is 00:35:00 and for years were like Australia's own Australia's own Mel Gibson now never mention him never said take him back no because we don't have racists here in this room I mean and for years were like, Australia's own Mel Gibson. Now, never mention him. Yep. Never said. Take him back. No, because we don't have racists here.
Starting point is 00:35:08 In this room, I mean. Yeah, specifically in this room. But even then, one of us is racist. I'm not going to say which one. Oh, we edit out the racism. We do. Yeah, no, it's a really great, it's a really beautiful Asgard
Starting point is 00:35:20 and there's a lot of little hidden tidbits in, for example, the treasure room. Yeah, they're talking about the Infinity Gauntlet, which may come into play later. Yeah, I've got a theory. Do you want to say the theory? I'll save it for the Avengers. It's fine. Ah, yeah, you.
Starting point is 00:35:38 I'm a troublemaker. No, but I mean, I feel at this point they're probably going to change that. Yeah. The next Avengers movie is going to be Age of Ultron. Yeah, that's right. They're not going to use my theory, but I mean, I feel that at this point they're probably going to change that. Yeah. The next Avengers movie is going to be Age of Ultron. Yeah, that's right. They're not going to use my theory, but I think... No, but maybe for three, though, because they say that Thanos will be the villain in three. Well, I mean, if you're going to give him a cameo at the end of the Avengers, you're going to have to bring him up at some point.
Starting point is 00:35:58 He might be in Guardians of the Galaxy. Oh, yeah, that's true. Actually, I think he is in Guardians of the Galaxy, but I don't think he's the main villain. Somebody else is the main villain. Can't remember who at the top of my head. Full disclosure, I I think he is in Guardians of the Galaxy, but I don't think he's the main villain. Somebody else is the main villain. Can't remember who at the top of my head. Full disclosure, I don't know much about Guardians of the Galaxy, but I will when the movie comes out. I'm trying to pull a really terrible...
Starting point is 00:36:14 Tony Stark's in the Guardians of the Galaxy now. I know. I was trying to pull the name. I was going to say the villain is that guy, and he's like an outer space trucker in the Marvel Universe. He drives a truck, but it's a space truck. Really? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:29 Is he a villain? No, he's a good guy. Oh, good. I was just going to throw it in there. What a nice... We can edit this out. No. The villain is going to be Cyclops' dad, Corsair the Space Pirate.
Starting point is 00:36:38 There it is. I've put my foot down. That's what it's going to be. That was retconned right. That wasn't always his dad, I assume. I think it was. I mean, no,
Starting point is 00:36:47 I think they basically, I'm pretty sure that he, because he was an orphan originally. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that then they created that character and said,
Starting point is 00:36:56 hey, let's make it. Space dad. Space dad, exactly, yeah. Fantastic. Fantastic. I'm going to say Thor,
Starting point is 00:37:02 best movie ever. Best movie ever, yeah. Loved it. Oh, Kat Dennings is in it She's great She's great Sure You like the show
Starting point is 00:37:07 Two Broke Girls No I don't Never seen it I've never seen it But I've heard it's amazing It's not amazing People like it though People do like it
Starting point is 00:37:15 For those that like that sort of thing It's the sort of thing they like Is it the John Cryer of TV shows I guess it is yeah Good on him Fucking John Cryer Next one this year. This year.
Starting point is 00:37:26 That year. Look at me making mistakes. Captain America. The first Captain America Avenger. 2011. Can't stop Avenging. That was the subtitle of that one. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:38 Here's an interesting tidbit. I'm ready. I didn't know this. I didn't pick up on it at the time. Didn't go back to watch it to make sure if this is true. There's a scene where a boy is running with a garbage can, kind of like a Captain America shield. And his mother calls him Phil.
Starting point is 00:37:53 And it's apparently supposed to be Phil Coulson. There you go. That makes him 60, 70 years old. But in the Marvel Universe, sure. Why not? Or a robot. Well, I mean, we've never actually seen the origin of the movie Nick Fury No
Starting point is 00:38:10 I would have liked to see him have a cameo in Captain America Oh yeah, that'd be cool Because he is the Well, he was around then, wasn't he? He was around He existed as part of the Howling Commandos Yeah The worst named army platoon in history
Starting point is 00:38:23 So here's a fact for you. I like facts. Supposedly, when Marvel first got off the ground, everything was going so well. Yeah. That with the superhero comics, Stanley made a bet with Jack Kirby that at this point they could get huge numbers selling any comic book of any kind. Right. Like a romance comic or a war comic yeah weren't selling anymore and he said what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna i'm gonna create
Starting point is 00:38:49 a war comic and i'm gonna give it the dumbest name in history and it's gonna it's gonna go off and he created nick nick wait sergeant fury and his howling commandos and then it just and it did it took off in a big way yeah exactly yeah exactly, yeah. Wow. So he won. What's that? What did he win back then? Oh, Euros, probably. He played heaps of Euros. What a good guy. Yeah, but I would like to say, because Fury in the comic books, he is so long-lived because of something called the Infinity Formula.
Starting point is 00:39:16 Okay, right. Which is sort of a World War II era immortality serum. Is it just water, but it's just in his mind? Yeah, it's just in his mind. He's got a real positive attitude about things. Good on him. So, you know, if he's got it, Coulson could have it. Sure, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:29 Absolutely. I'd be okay with that. And that explains why he loves Captain America so much. You know, that's a running kind of joke. It wasn't the Avengers. And I think they've even brought it up in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. that he's a big fan of Captain America. Maybe he's still Coulson Jr.
Starting point is 00:39:39 Oh, yeah. Maybe that's his dad. We'll never know. We'll never know, will we? They used a lot of different techniques, visual effects techniques, to make Chris Evans small, including perspective. Right. You know he's got the tiny body for the first half of the movie.
Starting point is 00:39:52 Yep. Which, by the way, looks incredible. Some of it they did CGI, where they got the smallest guy they could find, put his head on it, some perspective, some they just made Chris Evans hold his breath, and he just looked a lot smaller interesting yeah that's a fact for you
Starting point is 00:40:07 but I reckon I remember seeing that movie and when he comes out and he's all big and muscular that body looks fake more so than the other one it really does which is a testament
Starting point is 00:40:16 to the special effects in that movie and a testament to how little we care about maintaining our own bodies that we're like that guy's got muscles
Starting point is 00:40:22 no that's gotta be fake fake who would do that who would work hard at anything ugh also Wolverine and Magneto
Starting point is 00:40:31 were originally gonna make an appearance until I assume they realised they didn't own the rights to either of those characters right exactly are they just writing these in
Starting point is 00:40:38 and going yeah maybe we'll get the rights this time yeah who's what's the worst who could have and also Chris Evans criminally
Starting point is 00:40:45 was only paid $300,000 which is a lot of money now that I say it it sure is a lot isn't it but for how well that movie did and him being the lead
Starting point is 00:40:54 I mean and it's not like he wasn't a massive movie star before that though was he he'd done a lot of work and I liked him before he was in it
Starting point is 00:41:01 I think he's part one of the best things about the Fantastic Four he's good in The Losers he's good in Scott Pilgrim he's good in not another teen movie what else is he he's good in the movie where he's on the phone cellular with kim basinger oh yeah he's in that yeah yeah okay good he's good in that so yeah money well earned i'm sure he gets a lot more for that now or not i hope he gets less quite frankly that being said i think that i really
Starting point is 00:41:24 like that movie but i think it kind of goes off the rails towards you and i hope he gets less, quite frankly. That being said, I think that, I really like that movie, but I think it kind of goes off the rails towards the end. I think it gets less interesting after he starts going on, he goes on all the missions, there's a mission montage, and then it kind of dips a bit. But that being said, I really enjoyed that movie. I didn't think I would enjoy it.
Starting point is 00:41:36 I know in the, I think it was in England, they, or some countries, they renamed it the first Avenger, because they thought, Captain America's way too corny, people aren't going to go for that.
Starting point is 00:41:44 And it's too Americans. Yeah, that's it. But there wasn't a kind of people aren't going to go for that and it's too American yeah that's it but there wasn't there wasn't a kind of a massive patriotic push for that and he was emphasising he says a few times
Starting point is 00:41:52 or at least once that I'm on the side of whoever's good or whatever I don't care if you're American or whatever which I think is the way to do it like the way that Superman used to be
Starting point is 00:42:00 you know a specifically American thing and now Superman's kind of like a citizen of the world ooh delightful yeah um are they going to bring back
Starting point is 00:42:07 the same actor who played Bucky yes as the Winter Soldier good question yes they are ooh interesting yeah
Starting point is 00:42:13 I think he'd be good I don't know much about him but I think he was good as Bucky I remember him having a tweedly little moustache he didn't have a moustache in that I think I'm just imagining everybody in the past
Starting point is 00:42:21 having a tweedly little moustache maybe there's a smudge on the screen there's probably a smudge, yeah. Yeah. I think it'll be alright. There's set photos and that which you can check out. He's got the metal arm and all with the star on it.
Starting point is 00:42:32 Good. That's all I require, really. Yeah. Well, the theory is apparently that, you know, if you remember in the movie, Captain America rescues him. Yes. And Zola's doing all tests on him. And then he flies off the cliff and he's like, ah, I'm dying.
Starting point is 00:42:45 Yep. But whatever he tested him, put in him flies off the cliff and he's like, ah, I'm dying. Yep. But whatever he tested him, put in him, is the reason that he survives. A parachute in his feet? Yeah. Good foresight, Zola. Nice work. He knows what's up. Yep.
Starting point is 00:42:56 I'd love to see Zola back as well. As the... Yeah, the head of the television. As the head of the chest. The krang. Yeah, Marvel's krang. Absolutely. Cool.
Starting point is 00:43:04 Yeah. Next one. Anything else? Oh, Captain America. Best or worst? Best movie ever. in the chest the krang yeah Marvel's krang absolutely cool yeah next one anything else oh Captain America best or worst best movie ever I'm going to say best movie ever as well
Starting point is 00:43:09 I'd say it's the best movie ever yeah do you think it's better than Iron Man even though you said Iron Man was the best no Iron Man's still the best movie ever
Starting point is 00:43:16 okay cool I liked but as a consolation for Captain America I'm giving it best movie ever done yeah
Starting point is 00:43:22 I also thought that it worked a lot as kind of an Indiana Jones kind of adventure I thought in a way it felt like that not the treasure hunt
Starting point is 00:43:30 kind of thing but it felt like that kind of old school kind of adventure swashbuckling yeah but in a good way
Starting point is 00:43:36 not like Prince of Persia way which I haven't seen not in the Crystal Skull way not in the Crystal Skull way yeah it did that's kind of and there's a lot of parallels between that
Starting point is 00:43:44 and The Rocketeer as well, which Joe Johnston directed both. And Jurassic Park 3. There's some trivia for you. But, yeah. Captain America is also the... That's the best version of his costume, I think. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:57 I feel it went a little downhill in the Avengers. Definitely a little cartoony in the Avengers. Yeah, totally. And they kind of reference that, though, because they're like... He says, isn't it a bit kind of... What is it? These that though because they're like, he says, isn't it a bit kind of, what is it? It's not,
Starting point is 00:44:07 these aren't the exact words but he says, isn't it a bit cheesy? No, they're the exact words. Yeah, exact words. Isn't it a little bit cheesy?
Starting point is 00:44:12 And he's like, we kind of need that right now or whatever. But I mean, old fashioned, I think he says. Yeah, old fashioned.
Starting point is 00:44:16 But also the mask in the Avengers doesn't do him any favors. No. And I think there is a reason that he takes it off as quickly as possible. Yeah, it makes him look very puffy.
Starting point is 00:44:26 It does, yeah. I don't know why. I think it's because the wrestler's suit is so slim so it makes his head look puffy. But the new suit that they're using for the first...
Starting point is 00:44:35 Sorry. For the Winter Soldier is more like the old one. It's like a muted kind of blue. And it's kind of more... I think it's like a stealthy kind of combat suit more than like a flashy one.
Starting point is 00:44:44 I love it. I'm calling it already best movie ever. Captain America, The Winter Soldier, best movie ever. We will look forward to that next year. There was something else I wanted to say about that. I might say it later. Okay. You know what?
Starting point is 00:44:56 I'm going to say it now. Yep. I know what? No, it's actually related to The Avengers. Speaking of The Avengers. What? This was the first Iron Man movie, but also Marvel movie to make a billion dollars at the cinema.
Starting point is 00:45:08 Is that enough? No. That's what I thought. Sell more lunchboxes, Marvel. I thought it was really good. What did you think of the Avengers? I'm going out on a limb. I liked it. I thought it was the best movie ever.
Starting point is 00:45:25 You know what? There's been some backlash recently about it. I think there was a Joss Whedon interview and a couple of other pieces where people have said, it's got a lot of flaws, but I don't... Joss Whedon said that himself? I think a lot of people have suggested that it's oddly paced, that a lot of the characters,
Starting point is 00:45:43 everybody's more reactive than they are proactive. Okay, yeah yeah that's which is true but in the same sense they are they are on the heels of a alien invasion yeah it would make sense that they are they're on the back foot they're on the back foot for most of that film yeah yeah yeah interesting i know as well people have been saying why is it okay for superman why is it okay for them to smash down a lot of buildings and people die, and Superman to smash down a lot of buildings and people die, and people die, and that's not okay in Superman, in Man of Steel. Do you know why? The Avengers don't smash down any buildings.
Starting point is 00:46:14 They smash into some buildings. The Hulk runs through that building that time. Yeah, he does. Probably a bit dangerous, though. But I guess I think the thing is as well, I think the argument for that would be the Avengers are kind of a more ragtag kind of, just kind of barely keeping it together. I guess Superman is the one when he's only one guy.
Starting point is 00:46:31 I think it's people expect more of Superman. I think that's probably it. Where they're like, you should know better Superman. I think they just expect Superman to be more... They expect the movies to be more sterile. They don't expect there to be collapsing buildings, because there's never been one in a Superman movie before. There's been one in a Transformers movie.
Starting point is 00:46:51 Ooh. Let's talk about the Avengers. Let's not talk about the Transformers. Okay, here we go. In the original script, there was no cloning. Emma Peel's evil twin is a robot. You goose! That's the wrong Avengers!
Starting point is 00:47:04 You've got me again. Have you seen the... Is it 1997? I don't know. There's a 90s... There's two characters called the Avengers if you don't know.
Starting point is 00:47:15 I do know. You know. I'm talking to people at home. It's a British super spy team and there was a movie in the 90s with Rafe Fiennes
Starting point is 00:47:24 and Uma Thurman and Sean Connery yeah Sean Connery's the villain yeah do you know he's got a web changing machine August De Winter is his name
Starting point is 00:47:33 you knew immediately what I was talking about Augustus De Winter it doesn't matter it's August it's August so August Winter thank you
Starting point is 00:47:39 yeah you knew that immediately when I said that I was hoping to get a few in and baffle you with my knowledge. No. But you stepped on my neck. You silly goose.
Starting point is 00:47:47 Give me another fact. I'm ready. Okay. From that? Yes. From the Avengers or the Avengers? From British the Avengers. Okay.
Starting point is 00:47:54 Marvel's the Avengers. Elizabeth Hurley was considered for the role of Emma Peel. Yeah, she's quite British. Sir August was written as a smaller role until Sean Connery joined the project. And insisted on everything. Yeah. Yeah, good. And then regretted it.
Starting point is 00:48:08 Yeah. And then did League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Do you know he turned down a role in The Matrix? As Morpheus, sure. Yeah, and he also turned down Gandalf. Wow. Because he didn't understand them. He's like, I don't get this.
Starting point is 00:48:20 Right. And then he read the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen script and went, I don't get this, but the last two things I did did really well. What a great bloke. More for you, Sean Connery. And that's the last movie he made. He hasn't made a movie since. They tried to get him back, I think, for Indiana
Starting point is 00:48:36 Jones 4, but even he, Sean Connery, had the good sense to not want to hang out with Shia LaBeouf every day. That's a really good idea. Okay, here we go. For reals this time. For reals, Avengers. So, August was written as a... Nah. Nah.
Starting point is 00:48:48 There's also a scene in British Avengers where the lake has been frozen over, I think. Never seen it. Don't know. The Thames River has been frozen over. Yeah. So, the two super spies get in, like, big rolly balls. Like Gladiator. Yeah, like Gladiator balls.
Starting point is 00:49:02 Not Gladiator the movie. No, but yeah. American Gladiators. Where do they get them from? I don't know. Spy, like Gladiator. Not Gladiator the movie. No, but yeah, American Gladiators. Where do they get them from? I don't know. Spy shop? Oh, yeah. The spy house?
Starting point is 00:49:09 Spy barn? I don't know. It's been a long time, man. It sure has. Yeah. Avengers, though. Yep. Not the 90s one.
Starting point is 00:49:17 Third grossing... Third highest grossing film of all time. Ooh. Avatar? Yes. What's the second one? I think... Titanic?
Starting point is 00:49:22 Titanic. Right. And I think Dark of the Moon or... I think it's Transformers 3 or 2, is like number 5 or something. Really? Yeah. Ew. Yeah. Ew.
Starting point is 00:49:29 Yeah. Is that the third one? I think it's the third. It's either the second or the third one. Right. I have no idea. But I don't even know if it's... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:36 It's the second or the third, and I don't know what the name of those are. No. It's irrelevant. Yeah. Isn't that baffling, though? I understand Titanic Right Because it's like
Starting point is 00:49:46 Everybody sees Titanic Because it's got the love story It's got a boat sinking And people hit propellers Sure So men tell their friends They're like There's a bit where a guy
Starting point is 00:49:54 Hits a propeller And you see See the boobs of a girl And then other people go Oh cool And the women are like It's so beautiful Whatever
Starting point is 00:50:00 That's my women voice Wow A little bit sexist You have nailed both men and women in that statement. You are very good. So I can see, in a nutshell,
Starting point is 00:50:08 I can see the appeal. I don't see the appeal of Dark of the Moon or either any of those movies that that would make that much money. I remember seeing the second one because everybody was seeing the second one. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:18 I didn't love the first one but everybody was seeing the second one so I felt I had to. Yeah. And I guess that's how they get it. It's like that, isn't it? Because they're making a new one. I'm sorry, I know this is off. And I guess that's how they get you. It's like that, isn't it? Because they're making a new one. I'm sorry, I know this is off topic.
Starting point is 00:50:27 But I don't like any of those movies. One's okay. Yep. Until they start talking. Yeah. The opening scene where they the helicopter blows up the military base is pretty amazing. Sure, yeah. But I will still go see the fourth movie. Yeah. Which is baffling. I think I'm the
Starting point is 00:50:44 problem, really. Because even me, who knows better... You know why? Because what's going to transform into what? Yeah. That's the question. Dinobots apparently this time around. See, there we go.
Starting point is 00:50:54 I'm back on board. Here's the thing. I mentioned this before in one of my videos on the YouTube channel, Mr. Sunday to Movies. Yes. If you're disguising yourself as something... is if you're disguising yourself as something, how does turning from a giant metal robot man to a giant metal dinosaur, how does that disguise you in any way?
Starting point is 00:51:12 I feel what's going to happen is they're going to fall into an animatronic dinosaur exhibit or something like that. You laugh. You laugh because that is a hilarious visual image, but that is exactly what's going to happen. They're going to fall into a dinosaur exhibit or like the La Brea Tar Pits
Starting point is 00:51:27 where there's like a prosthetic dinosaur on display or something or like a museum and the Dinobots are going to be of lower intelligence. So they're going to scan those and assume that they're going to get along fine. Okay. Well, there you go. You know what?
Starting point is 00:51:41 I bet if they're not going to do that, if Michael Bay hears this, he'll change it because that is the best idea in cinematic history. Also, I'm just going to do that, if Michael Bay hears this he'll change it. Because that is the best idea in cinematic history. It's a really good idea, isn't it? Also, I'm just going to quickly say this. I've said this before. These movies are terrible. There's a scene in part three where Megatron's in the desert and he's walking
Starting point is 00:51:55 in the desert and he's all messed up from the previous movie and he's wearing a cloak. Of course, yeah. Why? Because he gets a bit chilly. That's the thing. Obviously he's a robot. I've misread these movies Of course, yeah. Why? Because he gets a bit chilly. That's the thing. Obviously, he's a robot. Really? I've misread these movies completely. He's a robot.
Starting point is 00:52:10 Why are all these men fighting that robot? All the bunch of men, the really tall men. Why are they fighting a robot? I can't explain it to you. It's one of those things, if you don't get it, you can't explain it to somebody else. I understand. I understand. I get it, yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:22 But also... Maybe corrosion? Bits of dust bits of sand but it doesn't even cover him properly oh then fashion yeah well that's the thing
Starting point is 00:52:29 it's either warmth stupid fashion stupid corrosion I guess didn't think of that disguise you can change it to a
Starting point is 00:52:37 tank or a jet or whatever you can change it into a jet or a sand dune you can transform into that because they can transform into anything in those movies.
Starting point is 00:52:46 Yeah. They can scan. Yeah. But they only really do it once. Maybe a palm tree? Yeah. No, but some of them can do. Yeah, but even then
Starting point is 00:52:52 you look like a metal palm tree. I don't know. Or a metal sand dune. Some of those Transformers are pretty good at transforming. That's true. How did we get to here? Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:53:01 How did we get back? We don't. There's no way to get back. There's no way to get back. Okay. Transformers, not very good. We're going to keep watching them because we're idiots. Yeah do we get back? We don't. There's no way to get back. There's no way to get back. Okay. Transformers, not very good. We're going to keep watching them because we're idiots. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:08 Okay. I think that's it. Here we go. This is interesting. Is it? No. No. Yes.
Starting point is 00:53:12 No, it will be. You know the upcoming Captain America Winter Soldier movie we were talking about before? It's going to be the best movie ever. It's going to be the best movie ever. There was a whole lot of deleted scenes from the Avengers where it shows Captain America adjusting to modern life. So maybe he's in a diner and he squeezes the sauce bottle too hard.
Starting point is 00:53:28 I don't know. I think they had sauce bottles back then. But they're slightly different so he wouldn't be used to them. Yeah. Right? Maybe like he tries to buy war bonds on Twitter or something like that.
Starting point is 00:53:38 That would be a dilemma that he would get into, isn't it? Maybe he gets like done for sexual harassment because the standards in a workplace are different. Yes's probably i understand why i deleted those scenes now that makes a lot of anyway those scenes though yeah of him adjusting are going to be used apparently in the winter soldier huh which i think is okay maybe he takes a laptop and he puts it on a phonograph because they're like there's all the music's on iTunes, Captain America, and he puts the laptop... That'd be a bit of a situation.
Starting point is 00:54:08 What a hilarious guy. Anyway, the Avengers. Let's talk about the Avengers. I don't think we've actually got to it yet. This is something... One more fact, and then we'll get to it, and then we'll get back to Transformers. Okay, please. Okay.
Starting point is 00:54:18 They actually got the rights to put Oscorp Tower from the Amazing Spider-Man movie in this. But it was too late. They'd already computer-generated the New York skyline and whatever. got the rights to put Oscorp Tower from the Amazing Spider-Man movie in this. But it was too late. They'd already computer generated the New York skyline and whatever. So they didn't end up doing it. Which indicates to me that at some point we might see a crossover into the Spider-Man universe. I'm okay with that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:39 Yeah. Spider-Man's a reserve Avenger. That's totally fine. There'll probably be a misunderstanding. Yeah. And they all beat him up.. And they all beat him up. Yeah, they all beat him up. Well, the Hulk strikes first and then it's kind of all over.
Starting point is 00:54:51 Yeah. But it'd be interesting to see, though, because if you put Spider-Man in that movie, in an Avengers movie, what's the cut? Where do you split the profits on that? Because he's one guy. Because I would go see that movie even if he wasn't in it. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where do you cut it? Where do you draw the line? I don't know. We'll never know. We'll never know. Because he's one guy. Because I would go see that movie even if he wasn't in it. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where do you cut it?
Starting point is 00:55:05 Where do you draw the line? I don't know. We'll never know. We'll never know. Yeah, but The Avengers. Yep. I think it's great. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:13 I think every element of that movie is there for a purpose. Nothing happens by accident. No. Like, at the start of the movie, Nick Fury arrives by helicopter and he can sort of, you know, there's some sort of disaster ongoing. But he gets out of the helicopter and you know he's the boss.
Starting point is 00:55:32 You don't have to explain it to anybody. You don't have to have seen anything. Yeah, exactly. It stands really well as a standalone film, but if you are a fan of all the others, it just flows on. But again, if you have no idea, you can pick it up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:47 And hence why it made that much money. Because I think that's basically what happened. A lot of people went in. A lot of people I know who don't, you know, know what a movie is, still went and saw it. Yeah. Good on them. Like my dad. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:58 But yeah. I think a criticism of it is that it spends a lot of time on characters that maybe aren't that interesting. Like, you don't really see the Avengers for a while. Like, at the start, it's like, oh, here's Hawkeye. Here's the girl from How I Met Your Mother. Uh-huh, sure. Here's Eric Sel...
Starting point is 00:56:13 Not Eric Selvin, is that his name? The Eastern European guy from Thor. Yep. What's his name? Selvig. Selvig. Yeah. Grin.
Starting point is 00:56:21 Yeah. Yeah. And I think there's a bit of that. But that kind of resolves itself fairly quickly. Yeah. Grin. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there's a bit of that, but that kind of, that kind of resolved itself fairly quickly. Yeah. There's like a 10, 15 minute bit where it's kind of like, where's this going?
Starting point is 00:56:31 What's happening? I don't feel there's any dead spots. Really? Yeah. Okay. Tell me where, where is that? Just that,
Starting point is 00:56:36 I think that, you know what? You're probably right. Exactly. A bit too much kind of, basically what I'm saying is a bit too much Black Widow, a bit too much Hawkeye. Okay. Right throughout the whole thing
Starting point is 00:56:46 yeah yeah nothing against either of those characters but I don't think they should get as much screen time as they do wow yeah
Starting point is 00:56:52 Scarlett Johansson less so because I think she actually did some interesting stuff with that character that scene where she kind of
Starting point is 00:56:57 reverse interrogates Loki I was going to say Thorky yeah Thorky exactly yeah but I went with Loki where she reverse
Starting point is 00:57:03 interrogates a corgi so odd what an odd situation yeah shouldn't have waterboarded you know what I think my problems I was going to say Thorky. Yeah, Thorky. Exactly, yeah. But I went with Loginion. Where she reverse interrogates a corgi. Yeah. So odd. What an odd situation. Yeah. Shouldn't have waterboarded it. You know what? I think my problems actually come back to Hawkeye.
Starting point is 00:57:10 That's what I'm basically saying. Is it the actor? Do you not like Jeremy Renner? I don't think Jeremy Renner is great, to be honest. I think he's a bit of a charisma vacuum. Oh, that's just... And he's not a... He's okay, but...
Starting point is 00:57:21 Hmm. You know, I can take him or leave him. If they swapped him out, I wouldn't care. Is it probably a better idea, but, you know, I can take him or leave him. If they swapped him out, I wouldn't care. Is it probably a better idea then that they did make him sort of a mind-controlled villain? Yeah. Because if you personally had to deal with him through the entire film and his non-charisma... I'd wait till he was asleep and I'd hit him with a brick. Wow.
Starting point is 00:57:40 That's how you deal with him. Wow. Yeah. But no, what am I complaining about? It's an amazing movie. It's funny. Yep. It's action-packed. Wow. Yeah. But no, what am I complaining about? It's an amazing movie. It's funny. It's action-packed. Yes.
Starting point is 00:57:48 Sexy stunts. Blockbuster hit. Oh, blockbuster hit. Yeah. Great, great. It builds to the conclusion really, really well. I think it's got some really good action scenes during it, but it really crescendos at that amazing New York battle scene.
Starting point is 00:58:01 Uh-huh, yeah. Yeah. And I like the bit where he goes into space and then comes out of space. That was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. And the Hulk catches him. Wish they didn't put that in the trailer, though, where the Hulk catches him.
Starting point is 00:58:10 That's true, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I remember seeing the trailer and being like, that was amazing. Mm-hmm. And, yeah, it's probably one of the best bits of the movie. A lot of people are very upset that when he goes through the portal and he throws the missile at the bad guys and then he tumbles back through space. People are like, whoa, there's no gravity in space.
Starting point is 00:58:27 How would he... Maybe gravity is flowing into space. I was going to say that the localized atmosphere switches around at each side of the portal. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, doesn't it, though? Yeah. Have you been on forums telling people this? No, no.
Starting point is 00:58:40 What are you doing after this show? I should go on some forums, shouldn't I, and tell people that theory. Do you want to hear my theory about the Avengers? I want to hear your Stan Lee impersonation. I don't. I can't do it. I'm self-conscious about it now. Okay, go for it.
Starting point is 00:58:52 We'll save it for a bonus episode. I'll work on it in the mirror. All right, good. And then I'll do it later. So at the end of the movie, we see Thanos in the mid-credits. And as we know, if you're a comic book reader from the 90s, that Thanos' ultimate goal is sort of the annihilation of all life in the universe. Why? credits and as we know if you're a comic book reader from the 90s uh that thanos's ultimate goal is sort of the annihilation of all life in the universe what why well a a he's mad as a bag
Starting point is 00:59:11 of cats but specifically it's because he sees death as sort of this beautiful oh that's right he's in love and he feels that if he kills everybody in the universe she'll go on a date with him i guess doesn't doesn't Death end up dating Deadpool? Yeah, I think briefly, sure. Yeah. But so, if you're going to annihilate all life in the universe, that's going to be a real chore if you have to do it one planet at a time. That's true, yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:36 So, you know, his goal is to acquire the Infinity Gauntlet, which can annihilate all life in the universe like that, with a snap of the old. Why would anybody make that? Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? You wouldn't just leave it aside. And so, you know, the question is where in the Marvel Cinematic Universe is the Infinity Gauntlet?
Starting point is 00:59:54 And as we know, if you pause a lot in Thor, you can find it. It's in the treasure room in Asgard. But there's no way to get to Asgard because if you remember, if you saw the movie Thor, at the end of Thor Knocked the bridge out.
Starting point is 01:00:06 The rainbow bridge is broken and that's the only way to access Here we go though. Yep. In Thor the Dark World upcoming. Yes.
Starting point is 01:00:13 Which is the reason we are doing this. Okay. Mr. Sunday to the YouTube channel. Yes. You see him arrive on the rainbow bridge.
Starting point is 01:00:20 Oh they put it back together. They must have put it back together. Oh that throws my whole theory down the throat. No it doesn't because that then would give somebody access to it yeah but my which would mean it could get stolen my feeling is that the only way that you can get without the
Starting point is 01:00:31 rainbow bridge the as we find out the only way to get back back and forth from asgard to earth yes to odin yeah and sacrifice some of his power in some way and he gets thought to earth yeah so what thanos's plan is is to send is he finds loki floating in deep space he sends Thor to Earth. Yeah. So what Thanos' plan is, is to send... He finds Loki floating in deep space. He sends him to invade Earth, knowing that Thor is going to be sent out to retrieve him. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:00:53 And then, whether the Avengers win or lose, Loki gets his way back. Either he gets the device and he goes back to Asgard, or Thor captures him and takes him back to Asgard or Thor captures him and takes him back to Asgard. In either case, Thanos now is an inside man into Asgard. That's a really good theory.
Starting point is 01:01:13 Did you think of that theory with your own brain? Yeah, my own brain. That's pretty good. I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of it. I bet you are. I bet I'm the first person who ever had a thought about a Marvel movie. That's really interesting. I hope that plays out exactly like that.
Starting point is 01:01:24 I don't think it will, though. I hope it doesn't, and then I'm going to play this in the next episode. Just loop it forever and ever. Just put it in my gravestone, this little loop. But Avengers, best movie ever. Best movie ever. Didn't even have to finish the sentence. Didn't even...
Starting point is 01:01:37 You knew what I was going to say. Best movie ever. We always finish each other's sentences. Yep. I've just come from work. You're a little frazzled, I understand. Just a tad. Well, there's only one more we need to talk about then.
Starting point is 01:01:52 This year's cinematic triumph or disappointment, Iron Man 3. Is that a yes? We've talked about it a little before, but it's... How about some trivia? That'll brighten the day. Oh boy, go ahead. Okay, the dragon Guy Pearce has on his chest is Fin Fang Foom, apparently. Fin Fang Foom.
Starting point is 01:02:14 Oh, that's adorable. I never even thought of that. Never thought of it either. I just thought it was just a general douchebag tattoo, and he's got his chest because he's become ripped, and now he's a douchebag. I thought that's what was happening there. But that's fun. Okay.
Starting point is 01:02:24 Yeah. Can you see little purple underpants? I just read this. I have no idea. I'm going to look at it later. I'm not. Okay. Maybe I will.
Starting point is 01:02:31 Yeah. So there you go. Originally, Trevor Slattery, spoiler alert. Oh, by the way, spoiler alert for every movie we've been talking about. Oh, yeah. Good point. Trevor Slattery, he was going to take the extremist virus at the end, drug at the end, thinking it was like a drug, like a cocaine or a marijuana.
Starting point is 01:02:48 Yep. A jazz cigarette. And explode from it. I guess that would be funny. Yeah. To see Ben Kingsley explode. That would be funny. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:02 No, I don't like that. Okay, fair enough. Like in a post-credit sequence? I don't know. That's what it in a post credit sequence I don't know that's what it just says that sounds awful it doesn't seem necessary no not at all
Starting point is 01:03:09 because he's not a particularly bad guy yeah so it's kind of like unless maybe people there's also a theory that Trevor Slattery is actually the Mandarin
Starting point is 01:03:17 I kind of hope he is yeah like I again Iron Man favourite character growing up there's no there's no other
Starting point is 01:03:24 I mean they can do what they want with the franchise but I don't think there character growing up. There's no other... I mean, they can do what they want with the franchise, but I don't think there's any other villain... There's no other characters who've been translated to film and their chief villain has become just a goof. Yeah. Just for a weird twist value. I don't think there is.
Starting point is 01:03:40 I think you're right. Yeah. Lex Luthor. Oh, boy. But he's Iron Man's most formidable foe and you just
Starting point is 01:03:48 brush him aside and go this idiot but it would make more sense to suggest that he is in fact
Starting point is 01:03:54 the real Mandarin in fact that would be perfect I mean the Mandarin has in the comic books an incredible
Starting point is 01:04:03 capacity for survival I thought you were going to say incredible moustache he's, an incredible capacity for survival. I thought you were going to say incredible moustache. He's got an incredible moustache, first of all. First and foremost, that's part of the reason he always survives. Yeah. But there's been scenes in Iron Man books before where his flying fortress has crashed into a mountain or something like that and the shield shows up and they're like,
Starting point is 01:04:22 we're going to search for his body. And Iron Man's like, well, yeah, you're going to find body and it's gonna you're gonna be able to identify it as the mandarin but it's it's not gonna be him like he's done this so many times yeah you know i'm just used to it now so i you know i feel that an elaborate double bluff where he's in fact the mandarin would be great but i don't think that's what's gonna happen no because i think the trilogy is finished i don't think they it's obviously i don't think it's written that way no yeah if they did it would be a retcon kind of thing. Yeah. And I think if they did do that do you think people would look more
Starting point is 01:04:48 favourably upon that twist? I think they would go back on the previous three films with a fine tooth comb and sort of build reasons for that to be the case. Like they would, I certainly would. Like hey remember that? Yeah okay. It's weird though that it builds to that character
Starting point is 01:05:04 because it builds to him over three movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And look, it's one of those things where I don't actually care. Right. But what really annoys me, and I hate this from any kind of movie, and they do this in Star Trek Into Darkness, and pretty much any J.J. Abrams thing or whatever. Lance Flairs.
Starting point is 01:05:19 Lance Flairs. Where they go, expect this particular thing, and then they twist it but it's for no reason and it adds nothing right exactly like the whole Khan thing from Star Trek
Starting point is 01:05:29 right exactly like there's no point to saying he's not Khan he's not Khan oh it is Khan fine it just
Starting point is 01:05:35 it doesn't matter it's not a twist you've just lied it's not a twist that's actually a really good point it's bizarre to me but I think yeah you're right
Starting point is 01:05:44 and yeah no it is a pointless twist. Yeah. I kind of wanted to see him fight Iron Man with magic rings. This will make you happy then. Will it? Yes. I found this this morning.
Starting point is 01:05:56 I'm sorry, everybody. I found it. Okay. The idea of Mandarin being the false face of the corporation was Guy Pearce's idea. And Shane Black ran with it. Oh, Guy Pearce. Australia's own Guy Pearce's idea and Shane Black ran with it. Oh, Guy Pearce. Australia's own Guy Pearce. No, he's not.
Starting point is 01:06:10 Whatever it, no. You can have him, Norway. I don't even care. Oh, rubbish. I was waiting to drop that on you. I'm so happy. Why, Guy Pearce? Why?
Starting point is 01:06:23 That must have been pretty late in the game to change that, though, don't you think? No, surely not, because they would have had to... Oh, they would have had to have given him... Yeah. Because Guy Pearce was... Going in, I thought Guy Pearce was a much smaller character. Because, you know, he's in the Prometheus movie, and he's in that.
Starting point is 01:06:41 He's a much smaller character. I remember him saying in an interview, I like coming in doing these small but pivotal roles. Right, right, right. But it turns out he was quite a major player in that. He's a much smaller character. I remember him saying in an interview, I like coming in doing these small but pivotal roles. Right, right, right. But it turns out he was quite a major player in that movie, as was Don Cheadle, as was not Terrence Howard. Correct. No, don't listen to actors.
Starting point is 01:06:55 Never? Never, never ever. Okay. Yeah. Lesson there. Best movie ever? Worst movie ever. Worst movie ever.
Starting point is 01:07:03 Yeah. I think I've said this before or we've said this before. It works as a buddy comedy. It does. It doesn't work as an Iron Man film. I remember when I reviewed it on YouTube. Yeah. That I said...
Starting point is 01:07:14 Movies on Sunday. It's not... It's better than Iron Man 2. But I don't know if it is, in hindsight. And I know that's going back on my word. But I'm in the opinion, though though you can change your opinion on movies I don't think you have to be locked into something for life if I'm going to change my opinion
Starting point is 01:07:29 I will or won't because that's my choice that's your prerogative but I don't know if it is better than 2 in hindsight I think they're both ok and by that I mean the worst movie ever 3's probably got better action sequences
Starting point is 01:07:43 yes Robert Downey Jr got a lot of money also worst movie ever 3's probably got better action sequences yes but yeah Robert Downey Jr. got a lot of money also yeah also second Marvel movie to make a billion dollars
Starting point is 01:07:51 wow good one man I don't think any more of them up until the next Iron Man movie though or next Avengers will make a billion dollars give us some future upcoming films
Starting point is 01:07:58 okay sure Thor the Dark World coming out October 31st in this country and the UK November 7th in the US. Uh-huh. That's just off the top of my head.
Starting point is 01:08:08 Wow. I'm the human calendar. You are so good at that. I know. Also coming this year, The Hunger Games, Catching Fire. You can't see the dead-eyed look in his eyes when he says these things. The Secret Life of Walter Mitty, Christmas Day, Ben Stiller. I'm kind of looking forward to that
Starting point is 01:08:25 yeah it looks good whimsical as fuck yeah exactly yeah okay seriously Guardians of the Galaxy next year
Starting point is 01:08:31 okay I'm excited for that I said before I don't know much about the Guardians of the Galaxy that still rings true because I haven't looked it up since
Starting point is 01:08:37 but I think that's going to be a good movie based on the leaked footage it does look exactly like they've gotten Drax the Destroyer absolutely right they've gotten
Starting point is 01:08:44 Rocket Raccoon. Yeah. Exactly right. Bradley Cooper. Yeah. Weird choice, but I think it'll be alright. You know who I really wanted to play Drax the Destroyer, though? The Khal Drago from Game of Thrones.
Starting point is 01:08:54 Oh, yeah, okay. Well, there we go. The Drax the Destroyer guy, he's a wrestler. We can see if he acts. Actually, he's in Riddick. He's okay in Riddick. There you go. Two wrestlers that can sort of act.
Starting point is 01:09:02 Three. Who's the third one? Hulk Hogan. Sorry. Stone Cold Steve Austin what's he in I don't know some awful action film
Starting point is 01:09:10 he's probably in the Walking he's in the Expendables probably oh yeah he's probably in the Walking Tall sequel so I'm pretty sure
Starting point is 01:09:14 that's Kevin Sorbo oh dear yeah and after that we've got The Winter Soldier I think Thor's going to do pretty
Starting point is 01:09:21 alright because it's going to come off the back of Iron Man 3 and Avengers and I think people are well sold on Thor now yeah but I think Thor's going to do pretty alright because it's going to come off the back of Iron Man 3 and Avengers and I think people are well sold on Thor now but I think they are going to steadily decline because Avengers is over
Starting point is 01:09:32 and that was sort of the narrative peak of those things but I'm really looking forward to what they do with Age of Ultron I actually just read Age of Ultron recently never read it it's okay but they're only going would you say it's the best comic book ever or the worst comic book i would say it's a four out of six wow no no it's if i had to say
Starting point is 01:09:50 it's the worst wow there's a lot of the thing is though it's it's very wolverine focused and it's very sue storm focused okay so when they said we're not going to use much of that comic if any they can't so yeah exactly and it's all time travel and multiple realities. Right, yeah, yeah. It's in name only. And I can see why they would do that. Because they're changing it as well, that Hank Pym, in the comic,
Starting point is 01:10:13 Hank Pym creates Ultron and then Wolverine goes back and kills him and then he goes back and stops himself from killing him. Spoiler alerts. And they're obviously not going to do that. Also because Hank Pym's not going to be in the Avengers 2 that Ant-Man's coming after
Starting point is 01:10:28 and Tony Stark is going to have a hand in creating it because you know if you've seen the teaser trailer they show the Iron Man helmet and there's some banging sounds
Starting point is 01:10:36 and then it becomes the Ultron helmet and James Spader goes do you remember Stargate? that's in the trailer it's not in the trailer you've made that up I've re-edited a version of that.
Starting point is 01:10:45 Oh, okay. Well, then you haven't made it up. Which you can find on the YouTube. Good for you. Yeah. But I think that'll be good. Apparently he wants to go a bit more character-driven in The Avengers 2. Is Joss Whedon involved in this one?
Starting point is 01:10:54 Yeah, he's directing it. Then I'm on board. Best movie ever. You're calling it? Yeah, calling it best movie ever, yeah. I think that about wraps up this particular episode, then. Is there anything that you would like else to talk about? Nah. about wraps up this particular episode then is there anything that you would like else to talk about nah how does anybody
Starting point is 01:11:10 how do we get so many downloads I don't know it's baffling I've been I've been going door to door oh okay
Starting point is 01:11:14 and showing old people how to upgrade iTunes jeez that's a painful exercise I'd imagine if boys never but look next week I think we're going to be talking about the Batman Arkham Origins game.
Starting point is 01:11:28 Oh, I should get it in place. Yeah. So we'll get that. We'll play through it as much as we can. We'll get together. We'll talk about that. Maybe some other Batman games that we've played. Okay, good.
Starting point is 01:11:35 Just quickly, have you ever played Batman Returns and the Atari Lynx? No, although I played the Batman Returns Adventure game on PC. That's a forgotten classic. Is it good? Worst game ever. Okay. That's a forgotten classic. Is it good? Worst game ever. Okay. That's fair enough. So, yeah.
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Starting point is 01:12:29 Thanks, everyone. Thanks again for listening. Stay positive. Look after yourselves in the real world. Don't let anything bad happen to your family. Don't end up, you know, like dead in a fridge. That happened. That's a great episode of Issue of Greenland.
Starting point is 01:12:44 That really happened. Really? Yeah, it's horrifying. I remember being in an episode of issue of Greenland that really happened really? yeah it's horrifying I remember being in an episode of Punky Brewster no you don't do you remember
Starting point is 01:12:50 there was a thing though in the 90s when we were kids where there was a big thing like don't get in a fridge that was like a massive thing
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